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Title: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 11, 2018, 03:59:27 AM
Hold the Phones! Reunited Beach Boys and Orchestra for Glastonbury?  :o

‘Relations between singer Mike Love and bandmate Brian Wilson have been strained since the end of their 2012 reunion tour, but in a miraculous U-turn Mike has raised hopes of a full-on comeback.’

‘In an exclusive interview with Bizarre, he revealed he is back in contact with his cousin Brian — and desperate to perform in Glastonbury’s legends slot, which has previously hosted Dolly Parton and Lionel Richie.’


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6258784/beach-boys-glastonbury-comeback/



Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Shady on May 11, 2018, 06:20:19 AM
Sounds like Mike wants a reunion


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Jim V. on May 11, 2018, 06:30:09 AM
I read it. It doesn't really sound like Mike wants a reunion at all.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rob Dean on May 11, 2018, 06:32:40 AM
Mike certainly sounds like Al did in 2011 (prior to reunion) with dropping a few hints.
Just maybe (and who's to know) plans are already in place.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 11, 2018, 06:37:58 AM
I read it. It doesn't really sound like Mike wants a reunion at all.
Agreed, its Mike trying to sell tickets in the most cynical way possible....


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 11, 2018, 07:17:43 AM

#nowilsonsnobeachboys


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 11, 2018, 08:34:34 AM
Overhyped and exaggerated click-bait from a tabloid. Bullshit in other words.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 11, 2018, 10:35:14 AM
Yep, it's a tabloid, and yep, it's clickbait.

The only tidbit that *might* be interesting is if Mike is truly "back in contact" directly with Brian. I don't think they've had much if any contact since September 2012.

But Brian and Mike's tours are both booked through the end of this year. I can't imagine, in the extremely unlikely event that they planned another reunion, that they'd do anything before next year.

I suppose they could do more of a one-off show or event instead of a year-long tour with a new album, etc. But I think (and comments from back pre-2012 from some band members would seem to agree) that it would be a huge waste to go to the trouble of doing a reunion only to make it a single show or two.

The only thing I can see beyond "anything's possible" is that it appears as though Mike's tour schedule this year (and late last year) is *slightly* lighter than recent years. He took off December, and has only done around 25-30 shows through early May of this year. So if he's slowing down a bit, it might fit more into the mold of doing 50-75 reunion shows next year instead of 150, etc.

But it's all pie in the sky stuff at this stage. It was SEVEN years ago that they did that first reunion session for "Do It Again."


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Ang Jones on May 11, 2018, 10:42:31 AM
I hope it is just clickbait from a newspaper that is widely disrespected here in the UK.

After the way the C50 ended how ridiculous to go down this road again.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Emdeeh on May 11, 2018, 11:31:59 AM
Yeah, it looks like the British tabloids are using this symphonic release as an excuse to create BB stories out of thin air: Glastonbury reunion, hologram tours, and trying to make it sound like the BBs originated the RSO project instead of Patrick and Reedman.

Of course, we are talking about the same tabloids that started the Mike fired Brian, Al, and David crap too. Not a lot of credibility in play.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 11, 2018, 11:45:28 AM
In case it has not been noticed, the next Glastonbury is June 2019. One reason I think Brian might consider a few shows is variety. He is doing a Christmas tour end of this year remember.

Same detail but another story. This might get some wheels.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/lifestyles/music/article_309a73b9-462d-5697-b796-82c102e95162.html


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: feelintheflows on May 11, 2018, 12:02:56 PM
If they didn’t do it for the 50th of pet sounds in 2016, they won’t do it now. Why would they?


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 11, 2018, 12:07:46 PM
PS would have been all about Brian. Mike wouldn’t have got a look in hence he would not have been interested.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 11, 2018, 12:49:04 PM
PS would have been all about Brian. Mike wouldn’t have got a look in hence he would not have been interested.

Absolutely true PF. It's gotta be all about the ego infested luHvster or it's not gonna happen. Personally, with all the water that has gone over, under and around the proverbial bridge, would it be worthwhile to see Brian on stage with that clown?


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 11, 2018, 08:40:24 PM
A message via social media is not “being in contact “ with Brian.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Jay on May 12, 2018, 03:53:51 AM
Honestly, everything about the 2012 tour and album was so great that I don't want to jinx it. Even if they were to come up with some great song in a real group effort(not just mainly a vehicle for Brian and Mike to reunite), the chance of them fucking it all up somehow is to great. Except for the tail end of the reunion(the spectacular way it all went to sh*t), the year 2012 was such a great gift for Beach Boys fans. There was a general good vibe in the fan community, and everything was just so.... "perfect". Let's not ruin it by trying to have lightning strike twice. I'd rather have the five surviving members reunite as friends and family than anything else.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 12, 2018, 08:37:52 PM
So I just have ask, how much will be enough? The guys are all heading closer to 80. Do we want to see the guys together, 80 years old, still singing "Be True to Your School", "Surfer Girl", and "When I Grow Up to Be a Man"? Okay, let's assume a reunion does happen again. At some point it will have to end, will we be satisfied that they did it one last time, or will we still be complaining that it didn't go on long enough? Will we someday have the guys onstage together at 90, singing the old songs - but with a band of 20 something's doing the heavy lifting? I think we're pretty lucky they were together as long as they were. Was there any year in the 80's or 90's when they weren't on tour somewhere? I know i'm being sourpuss, but I think at some point reality is going to set in.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 12, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
I think I asked the same when Mike turned 60.  ;D

That being said, R&R legacy artists are in some uncharted waters. Keith Richards said years ago they were going to see how far they could “take this thing”, as their idols such as Muddy Waters had played into their 70s as individuals.

I must admit, for me the BBs are just a curiosity now live.



Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 12, 2018, 10:39:08 PM
Honestly, everything about the 2012 tour and album was so great that I don't want to jinx it. Even if they were to come up with some great song in a real group effort(not just mainly a vehicle for Brian and Mike to reunite), the chance of them fucking it all up somehow is to great. Except for the tail end of the reunion(the spectacular way it all went to sh*t), the year 2012 was such a great gift for Beach Boys fans. There was a general good vibe in the fan community, and everything was just so.... "perfect". Let's not ruin it by trying to have lightning strike twice. I'd rather have the five surviving members reunite as friends and family than anything else.

Pretty much how I feel


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: SamMcK on May 12, 2018, 10:39:17 PM
The best I would hope for at this point would be if by some miracle Mike & Bruce (and Al, but that's almost a given) were able to add some vocals to Brian's next solo album. Mike would have to leave his ego at the door for that to happen.

As much as i'd love to see it, The Beach Boys 2012 tour was so close to perfect and at this point how many freaking versions of Fun, Fun, Fun or Good Vibrations do we really need? I'd much rather hear new music in any form from the surviving members than a rehash of oldies at this point.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rocker on May 13, 2018, 03:13:42 AM
I'm afraid I have to agree. The moment has passed. It was there in 2012 when Brian was already working on new songs for a Beach Boys album and was very animated to get the band working again as a creative act. But that chance was f*cked up by how it ended.

Just a couple of performances with the whole band would probably be nice, I guess. but not very interesting. In 2012 it was the combination of the tour and a new high quality album and the possibilities that opened up. Without that, it would just be a novelty thing without much merit.
 
The United States seem to be in a dark place right now, but still there also seems to be some sort of optimism for the future. I think the Beach Boys, as the american band, could certainly contribute a song about these feelings. But unfortunately I'm sure that if Mike and Brian tried that it would turn out to be along the "remember the good old days when we had fun, fun, fun. Let's get together and play ball in the sun"-lines instead of something as delicate as "Love and mercy" or "Midnight's another day" for example. So even that doesn't sound like a good idea. They had their chance, they blew it. It's over.




‘In an exclusive interview with Bizarre, he revealed he is back in contact with his cousin Brian — and desperate to perform in Glastonbury’s legends slot, which has previously hosted Dolly Parton and Lionel Richie.’


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/6258784/beach-boys-glastonbury-comeback/




Oh, may I?:  How bizarre!   :3d


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rick5150 on May 13, 2018, 05:52:36 AM
As much as i'd love to see it, The Beach Boys 2012 tour was so close to perfect and at this point how many freaking versions of Fun, Fun, Fun or Good Vibrations do we really need?
Well, we have not had a new version of Do It Again in months now... ;D 

Actually, I would be all in for a new album of Brian-written material (especially if it included the Life Suite stragglers) with Al, Bruce, Mike and David adding some touches. each of the guys could offer some lyrics here and there. Minimal auto-tune. It is only a matter of time before it will be impossible.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 13, 2018, 09:09:59 AM
Nice to see others share sentiments similar to mine.

But i'm all for opening the vaults further - more studio outtakes, live recordings, videos; that's where the BB's future lies IMHO.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: KDS on May 14, 2018, 07:00:14 AM
So I just have ask, how much will be enough? The guys are all heading closer to 80. Do we want to see the guys together, 80 years old, still singing "Be True to Your School", "Surfer Girl", and "When I Grow Up to Be a Man"? Okay, let's assume a reunion does happen again. At some point it will have to end, will we be satisfied that they did it one last time, or will we still be complaining that it didn't go on long enough? Will we someday have the guys onstage together at 90, singing the old songs - but with a band of 20 something's doing the heavy lifting? I think we're pretty lucky they were together as long as they were. Was there any year in the 80's or 90's when they weren't on tour somewhere? I know i'm being sourpuss, but I think at some point reality is going to set in.

Who knows when we'll be at the point where there are no more BB's out there anymore.   Obviously, sooner rather than later.   The one thing that's for sure is that none of these guys have anything left to prove, and really haven't for awhile. 

So, while we're still getting shows and new records from the surviving parties, we might as well enjoy it, because it won't last forever (it's kinda sad). 


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 14, 2018, 07:36:49 AM
Various thoughts:

If someone has decided that the Beach Boys individually and collectively are no longer able to put on a viable, enjoyable show (and/or record releasable music), then not wanting another reunion makes sense.

But if you’re still going to Brian shows (and/or Mike shows), then I don’t see a reason to also claim that the guys are too old to do another album or tour. A “reunion” Beach Boys concert is just Brian’s show with Mike singing some of the leads (and Bruce singing one or two), with a wider net cast setlist-wise, and Mike bringing a few of his guys along.

I’ve always been very grateful for the great results of the 2012 reunion. But it was NOT perfect as a project on the whole. It ended disastrously, and that *will* always be part of the story unfortunately. In fact, to all but the true hardcore fans and a few hardcore knowledgeable journalists (and hopefully some day a true biographer), the lingering story to this day as far as the reunion goes is how abruptly it seemed to end, and how messy and acrimonious it was.

No doubt, if they do another reunion, it *could* end even worse than it did in 2012. But I’ve never understood the idea of not wanting to sully the 2012 reunion, as if it was perfect. That entire project (album and tour, etc.) was a mess, and it was a miracle it succeeded in the key fronts that it did.

But the band is fully capable of ending the story on a much better note. I’m not saying they *would*, but only that they *could*; they could learn from the mistake of 2012. Yes, the clock is ticking and they’re getting older. But their capabilities aren’t much different than they were in 2012. Brian did more shows in 2016 and 2017 than he did in 2012 (carrying more of the load than he did in 2012).

I’m also not saying another reunion is viable or even advisable under current conditions. So long as Mike remains antagonistic, I don’t think anybody wants a reunion under duress. I don’t think anybody wants Brian to have to be on stage (or in the studio) with someone who has animosity towards him or his wife. I don’t think anybody wants Brian’s potential artistic vision compromised in order to preserve a songwriting “partnership” that hasn’t been particularly viable since about 1979.

But again, a reunion under the right circumstances could be good both in terms of the quality of the product (live show, possibly another album) as well as the organization/legacy of the project. It’s an extreme long shot, no question. It would require a commitment from everybody to *end* the saga this way most likely. It would have to be the five-man lineup as the “Beach Boys” from here on out, with Mike doing any side shows under another name (California Beach Band, etc.). It would require Brian to allow (or arguably placate) Mike by at least *trying* a few collaborations.

As has been pointed out, the band was the laughing stock of the industry at the end of 2012. They biffed it hard, and it could have been easy. A nice Vegas residency and another album would have been *easy*, and could be worked out within the framework of more international (and US) shows. In 2012 they hadn’t even *started* making the real money.

It may indeed be too late, not so much due to the age of the members, but possibly due to a sullied industry reputation. They still get shows booked on their own, and surely a reunion could still get bookings. But they may never again get those epic, high-profile offers (e.g. Madison Square Garden). 

I’m not even saying I *want* a reunion necessarily, especially if, as I mentioned, it would be under duress and/or would be imbued with Mike’s negativity. But it is as viable as their respective individual tours are.

It is also true that the archives are truly the crown jewel of their empire at this stage. DOZENS of discs worth of amazing material. Unfortunately, few if any of the actual members of the group realize how much inherent value that material has.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Ang Jones on May 14, 2018, 09:38:57 AM
I suppose for me, the name The Beach Boys is no longer particularly important. Of course it is famous and a reunion tour would probably be well attended but Brian's own shows are unlikely to be improved by the addition of Mike and Bruce. There will probably be the usual disagreements about direction, with Mike wanting to do more old style things and some of Brian's more melancholic numbers not to his taste. I don't like the usual backdrop of young bodies on the beach and beach balls being thrown about but that's just personal taste.

'Do it Again' seems to be more than just a song to Mike but a personal motto. I think perhaps it's 'Time to Get Alone'.



Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Howie Edelson on May 14, 2018, 12:35:52 PM
Everything Jude said is right.

2012 was a beautiful fluke.

The ultimate fact is that. . .

The vault is the reunion.
The vault is the star.
The vault is the future.


Whatever else happens -- be it joint promotional events, outsourced musical products -- it's what's in those vaults that MATTERS.
Everything else is everything else.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 14, 2018, 01:06:35 PM
Everything Jude said is right.

2012 was a beautiful fluke.

The ultimate fact is that. . .

The vault is the reunion.
The vault is the star.
The vault is the future.


Whatever else happens -- be it joint promotional events, outsourced musical products -- it's what's in those vaults that MATTERS.
Everything else is everything else.


100% on the money


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 14, 2018, 02:28:39 PM
Everything Jude said is right.

2012 was a beautiful fluke.

The ultimate fact is that. . .

The vault is the reunion.
The vault is the star.
The vault is the future.


Whatever else happens -- be it joint promotional events, outsourced musical products -- it's what's in those vaults that MATTERS.
Everything else is everything else.

  :hat


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: urbanite on May 15, 2018, 12:43:55 PM
Count me in for a reunion.  I'd like them to take one last shot at it in the studio and the road.  I would buy a ticket.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 15, 2018, 01:36:28 PM
Count me in for a reunion.  I'd like them to take one last shot at it in the studio and the road.  I would buy a ticket.

I’d like them to take one last shot in the studio only.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Zesterz on May 15, 2018, 02:02:25 PM
I would like them to take a full CD shot in the studio....which might or might not be the last CD of new stuff.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on May 15, 2018, 02:23:03 PM
I believe there's definitely should be something--new that is--so that the Beach Boys can go out with a certified bang

and it's definitely not gleaning through every last bit of unidentified old tapes to try to pull another archival song recording rabbit out of the hat.  I say that as tantalizing as some of that old material can prove to be


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Howie Edelson on May 15, 2018, 06:31:14 PM
So you think a "NEW" album is the way to go out with a bang?
You seem to think that a new album would be/mean more than TWGMTR / NPP / UNLEASH.

It would be EXACTLY that.
Those are the bangs.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 15, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
A new album is hypothetical as the same story tells of Mikes preference to tour. A Brian story from last year (unsure where) said he wouldn’t do a C50 style tour again. Basically both a tour and album are off the table IMO.

But anyway, TWGMTR was 50% magical for me because of Brian’s songs. The rest? Meeh! Given time and commitment I still think a PS2 would be feasible. Low sales but a slow burner. For that reason labels wouldn’t be interested.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Howie Edelson on May 15, 2018, 07:13:37 PM
There is so much in those vaults -- so much A-quality brilliant work, just laying there only getting MORE unheard and MORE unreleased.

This isn't simply alternate takes of "Sexy Sadie" or "Racing In The Street" with different lyrics: this is MAJOR S HIT. Important work. Art that changes the story. Art that will inspire more and NEW art.

Paying the proper attention to issuing this unheard music -- studio and live -- should be the primary goal for all involved.  


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 15, 2018, 08:08:32 PM
There is so much in those vaults -- so much A-quality brilliant work, just laying there only getting MORE unheard and MORE unreleased.

This isn't simply alternate takes of "Sexy Sadie" or "Racing In The Street" with different lyrics: this is MAJOR S HIT. Important work. Art that changes the story. Art that will inspire more and NEW art.

Paying the proper attention to issuing this unheard music -- studio and live -- should be the primary goal for all involved. 

I personally am stoked to hear whatever vault recordings we might hear, especially if we get to hear unrecorded Brian stuff from the so-called "lost" years


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 15, 2018, 10:31:36 PM
One aspect of the reunion tour that bothered me was how little of the new songs they played live.
If they were planning to do it again, it should be an album that all the guys are involved in, not just a Brian project that they sing on. And they should spend enough time in tour rehearsals to make the new songs part of the show.
And I seriously can't imagine any of the above happening.
So open up those vaults!


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2018, 06:21:28 AM
One aspect of the reunion tour that bothered me was how little of the new songs they played live.
If they were planning to do it again, it should be an album that all the guys are involved in, not just a Brian project that they sing on. And they should spend enough time in tour rehearsals to make the new songs part of the show.
And I seriously can't imagine any of the above happening.
So open up those vaults!

I never viewed the lack of more "new album" songs in the live show as a huge deal. Even back in the 70s and 80s they usually only did a few songs off each new album. I guess a live stab at a few others like "Spring Vacation" might have sounded interesting. But I don't think hearing one or two more new album songs would have made a difference. It was their first tour together in eons; I'd rather have heard them do "Marcella" or even "Getcha Back", etc.

As it was, the two "new" songs on the tour were some of the *very few* songs in the live show in 2012 that often sounded kind of wonky. The title track "TWGMTR" often sounded near going off the rails for whatever reason. Meanwhile, "Isn't It Time" weirdly used a bit of canned backing. "Summer's Gone" sounded okay, but they only got two stabs at it before the tour ended. So while a stab at "Spring Vacation" or "From Here to Back Again/Pacific Coast Highway" might have been interesting, I don't think that aspect was a big deal.

As for a new group studio album not being largely a Brian-helmed project, it all depends on the material. I think the best material should be proffered, regardless of who wrote it. It appears Bruce's main input on those album sessions was an inexplicable remake/partial re-recording of "She Believes in Love Again" with Foskett singing Carl's parts. That idea reaks of "Japan-only bonus track" status or "Best Buy bonus track" status *at best.*

I've often said Brian probably should have placated Mike and tried a few "from scratch" collaborations if that would have warmed Mike to the project more. But I'm not convinced how good that type of material would have been. It would have either been kind of like what we got on the album (Brian bringing in a partially-written old song rather than truly writing it "from scratch", and then having Mike add lyrics), or something like the stuff on Mike's eventual solo album which wasn't exactly A-list material either.

The truth of the 2012 album was that it only got done because Brian had already molded a good hunk of the album, and because it was the Brian/Joe songs that Capitol greenlighted and wanted for the most part. If they did *another* album, then again I'd say at best it might be advisable to at least *try* a Brian/Mike, "non-Joe" collaboration. But it also sounds like some good TWGMTR outtakes are extant as well.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2018, 06:36:37 AM
Numerous boxed sets (or "digital boxed sets", whatever) need to make it out, one of which needs to be a Brian "Bedroom Tapes" set. Yes, that moniker would almost certainly be something of a misnomer. But it would be a great marketing hook to put Brian's late 60s/70s (and maybe even 80s) material out.

In conjunction, something focused on the rest of the group's *great* unreleased material from this time frame is also a must. They all deserve the game-changing reassessment when it comes their material from this era.

Just the stuff we *know about* is game-changing; just the stuff on that "Brother Rarities Proposed Bonus Tracks" spread is game-changing, and that was compiled nearly *TWENTY* years ago before they knew of everything that was in the vaults. And then think about the stuff we *haven't* heard from the 70s and 80s.

It's true; while it would certainly be interesting to hear a true group followup to TWGMTR, such a project seems somewhat unlikely. Frankly, even in the unlikely event that they *did* do another reunion, we may *still* not get another studio album out of it. It would probably cause less political problems if they just went back out on the road.

Meanwhile, something they can do whether they're together or splintered is a robust archival program. It's a win-win-win for everybody. Cheap to do. Free money for everybody, and nothing but a legacy-enhancer for everybody. They can meanwhile also push "Sounds of Summer" every summer too if they feel the need.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2018, 07:06:31 AM
What I hope BRI might be able to do at some point is what The Beatles/Apple does now, something that seemed like a crazy pipe dream 20 or 30 years ago. They all cross-promote solo and group stuff. Apple pushes Beatles stuff and solo stuff (including solo off-shoot projects like the Harrison estate pushing old Ravi Shankar albums), and their respective solo pages (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) push each others' solo stuff and group stuff.

I think the official "Beach Boys" Facebook does push group and solo stuff. But Mike's Facebook page should be pushing a reissue of Al's "Postcards" and Brian's latest album. Brian and Al should be linking to "Unleash the Love", and so on. No, this all isn't ideal, but they could create some easy marketing synergy here, and pave the way for the *true* point of it all, which would be a huge cross-promotional push for the archives.

Bundle all that s**t together. Bundle three solo albums from Brian, Al, and Mike with three discs of archival material. All sorts of stuff they could be doing.

They need to get this stuff out so that fans aren't left pondering whether to buy a grey-market "Record Store Day" EP made from an old VHS dub of the Beach Boys singing "Little Cycle" on the Andy Williams Show.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 16, 2018, 10:16:51 AM
What I hope BRI might be able to do at some point is what The Beatles/Apple does now, something that seemed like a crazy pipe dream 20 or 30 years ago. They all cross-promote solo and group stuff. Apple pushes Beatles stuff and solo stuff (including solo off-shoot projects like the Harrison estate pushing old Ravi Shankar albums), and their respective solo pages (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) push each others' solo stuff and group stuff.

I think the official "Beach Boys" Facebook does push group and solo stuff. But Mike's Facebook page should be pushing a reissue of Al's "Postcards" and Brian's latest album. Brian and Al should be linking to "Unleash the Love", and so on. No, this all isn't ideal, but they could create some easy marketing synergy here, and pave the way for the *true* point of it all, which would be a huge cross-promotional push for the archives.

Bundle all that s**t together. Bundle three solo albums from Brian, Al, and Mike with three discs of archival material. All sorts of stuff they could be doing.

They need to get this stuff out so that fans aren't left pondering whether to buy a grey-market "Record Store Day" EP made from an old VHS dub of the Beach Boys singing "Little Cycle" on the Andy Williams Show.

No label in their right mind would bundle the solo albums together with the archival. For one thing the solo album from Mike is on a different label, as were his earlier solo albums. Same with Al. The only band member who had solo albums on Capitol was Brian, and he has his own thing going with his solo releases.

I think bundling, say, Unleash The Love with unreleased or archival material would be a *big* mistake. And I can't see Capitol signing on. If Capitol had wanted Mike's solo efforts, they would have signed him to a deal like they did Brian. If they were to buy the rights to release Mike's solo stuff, the only person who would benefit is Mike. And Mike's fans have pretty much already bought what they wanted at this point, why would they be forced to re-buy just to get vault material? Won't happen.

The solo Beatles comparison isn't quite a valid one. All four Beatles released their initial batches of solo material on Apple, their own label. It was later into the 70's when they went on different labels or did their own labels. The only solo releases EMI and Apple would be bundling or cross-promoting would be those early releases which were all on the Apple label from the beginning, and that included John, Paul, George, and Ringo solo releases and singles which aside from a few later exceptions are and were the strongest sellers in that catalogue of solo Beatle efforts. Unless Capitol/EMI or whatever offshoot acquires the rights like Lennon's Double Fantasy came out eventually on Capitol even though the original label was Geffen.

I can't imagine, say, bundling "Ringo's Rotogravure" with some Beatles outtakes or vault material in any kind of realistic scenario any more than I could see Unleash The Love bundled with similar BB's vault goodies.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2018, 12:16:08 PM
I'm just spitballing ideas. The main point is that they could easily achieve some marketing synergy *even if* they hate each other's guts and can't stand to be in the same room together.

If they were to bundle stuff, it wouldn't be at the distributor/label level. It would be a "Beach Boys" online storefront sort of deal, like Mike bundling those ugly shirts with his CD or bundling a new CD with a t-shirt, etc. It could all be from different labels/distributors.

As far as cross-promoting, not only are the pre-1976 solo albums *not* all owned by the same entity (MPL owns the rights to McCartney's full solo catalog, so he has licensed even his early stuff out to both EMI and Hear Music/Concord, and even Columbia back in the 80s), there *has* been modern-day cross-promotion for their solo projects on a variety of labels. The Beatles' Facebook (and e-mail list) has promoted recent Ringo solo albums, recent McCartney solo albums, off-shoot projects having nothing to do with record labels, etc. They push the Genesis Publications Harrison books, and so on.

As long as all of the Beatles/estates own the name and thus the respective social media platforms, they can (and do) cross promote everything. It's good for everything and every one. Similarly, any BRI-owned trademarks should take control of social media and cross-promote everything. I actually do believe the Beach Boys' social media platforms do promote some solo projects. But Mike and Brian should be cross-posting stuff, and so on. If for not other reason than to *make* them more interested in archival projects. I'd gladly let Mike bundle "Unleash the Love" on a Beach Boys online store front with a disc or new archival material.

Yes, ideally we wouldn't be forced to buy one to get the other. But a "beachboys.com" website where you can buy *everything* would be a nice start.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Howie Edelson on May 16, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Slightly off track -- I'd say we're about 5 years aware from The Beatles 1970-1975 solo tracks being packaged together in some type of comp under the "BEATLES" brand.



Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2018, 01:17:58 PM
Slightly off track -- I'd say we're about 5 years aware from The Beatles 1970-1975 solo tracks being packaged together in some type of comp under the "BEATLES" brand.



This seems even more likely considering how playlists can already be programmed on Spotify, etc. where most anything can be lumped together.

It's ironically the BBs that could arguably benefit even more from such an organizational readjustment, giving a bunch of solo stuff new life. The Carl solo album reissues of the last few years didn't exactly burn up the charts. The DW POB reissue from like a decade ago was great, but subsequent Dennis stuff has stalled.

There would obviously be more to sort out and deals to be brokered as compared to early era solo Beatles, where EMI owns nearly everything and the stuff they don't is owned by MPL (which currently is back to being distributed by Capitol/UMe/EMI).

The BBs did a tiny dry run with this with that Hallmark "Songs from Here and Back" CD, mixing previously unreleased BB live tracks with a few solo tracks.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 16, 2018, 07:43:02 PM
There were cases where the Facebook "Beach Boys" official page seemed to turn into more of Mike's Beach Boys Facebook page. But I digress.

Let's just say there is a lot of fence that needs to be mended before the kind of Kum-Bye-A synergy happens in terms of a true cross-promotional opportunity. And that's just personal issues, not even factoring in the labels and existing deals.

I mean, we're dealing with an organization who didn't even list "Summer In Paradise" on published discographies, let alone promoting individual solo works across label lines and deals. With two Beatles deceased and a back catalog which is perhaps the strongest brand name in popular music, the comparisons to Beach Boys solo releases are night and day different.

Beach Boys solo releases are and realistically will always be a niche market. Once people buy Carl's solo work, then Dennis, and then Mike's, and then Al's...that's about it. They've bought it and they have it. Brian's solo releases are a niche market too but that niche carries with it a lot more cache and an expected audience who wants to hear what he will come out with musically because he has a brand name through his productions and arrangements. That's why Brian's most recent solo effort was a Capitol release and Mike's was not.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Ang Jones on May 17, 2018, 08:16:03 AM
There were cases where the Facebook "Beach Boys" official page seemed to turn into more of Mike's Beach Boys Facebook page. But I digress.

Let's just say there is a lot of fence that needs to be mended before the kind of Kum-Bye-A synergy happens in terms of a true cross-promotional opportunity. And that's just personal issues, not even factoring in the labels and existing deals.

I mean, we're dealing with an organization who didn't even list "Summer In Paradise" on published discographies, let alone promoting individual solo works across label lines and deals. With two Beatles deceased and a back catalog which is perhaps the strongest brand name in popular music, the comparisons to Beach Boys solo releases are night and day different.

Beach Boys solo releases are and realistically will always be a niche market. Once people buy Carl's solo work, then Dennis, and then Mike's, and then Al's...that's about it. They've bought it and they have it. Brian's solo releases are a niche market too but that niche carries with it a lot more cache and an expected audience who wants to hear what he will come out with musically because he has a brand name through his productions and arrangements. That's why Brian's most recent solo effort was a Capitol release and Mike's was not.

With The Beatles, you had the band and then they split up. The Beach Boys, noted for harmony, were so divided in their attitude to the direction they should take that even though they were still together for much longer, they weren't exactly 'singing from the same hymn sheet'. Mike and Bruce's version of the band truly reflects only a part of its history. It's as the Jack Rieley quote suggests ('They blew it, they continue to blow it...') - that because they continued to mess things up, some of their best music didn't receive the attention it so richly deserved and they were feted for music about the summer. It's as if The Beatles' reputation rested on She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me.

The C50 reunion repaired a bit of that damage and The Beach Boys reminded people of what they had once been. And then it ended disastrously and they seized defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'd love to hear more about the treasures in the vault, particularly anything of Brian's or Dennis's. I'm intrigued by 'Behold the Night' which has been mentioned here before. 'My Love Lives On' from Made in California was brilliant. A friend of mine, himself a musician, heard it first on headphones whilst out running. He was so moved it left him in tears.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Zesterz on May 17, 2018, 08:37:45 AM
I trust Howie's judgement. Hopefully, his powers of persuasion can extract these gems. from the vaults onto sale


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 17, 2018, 09:30:26 AM
You know what I think would be a slam-bang idea for a marketable and perhaps more widely appealing "vault" project?

Take the "hits" everyone knows, let's call them the "Endless Summer" or "Sounds Of Summer" or whatever...you know what they are...and package those which have extensive session tapes in the vaults as "The Making Of..."

So you'd get all the takes of hits like California Girls, I Get Around, whatever the case...presented in sequence and NOT (I repeat ***NOT***) edited or futzed with in any way, leading up to both the original 45rpm single mix from the original release as well as a fresh, modern remix or remaster.

No gimmicks, no whatever...just the glorious raw tapes as us diehards have been hearing on SOT and other bootlegs for the better part of 20+ years. Warts and all. Put a PG-13 or R rating on it if the language is rough at times. But present these hits that have been repackaged to death at this point in a way that shows them as they developed in the studio, and give a glimpse into the creative process that really happened to bring them to life. Warts and all.

I'm sure people not as invested as some of us musicians and fans would love hearing that kind of thing, but NOT edited or cross-faded or whatever else scuttled some similar efforts like the Beatles Anthology and whatnot.

The market would be larger I'd say for this at this point in time because buyers would know the songs...and it opens the door for the more esoteric and unknown vault material if the project(s) generate enough interest and prime the pump.


Thank me in the credits... ;D


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rocker on May 17, 2018, 09:56:25 AM

 'My Love Lives On' from Made in California was brilliant. A friend of mine, himself a musician, heard it first on headphones whilst out running. He was so moved it left him in tears.


That song is a mindblowing piece of music, I agree! I think I mentioned it before, but I could see this one used as some kind of ending to a series finale on TV or even in a movie. Anyway, such a great song! I don't know what was wrong in their heads not to release this on an album (if it was ever offered to the band by Dennis)


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 17, 2018, 02:25:00 PM
I think at this stage, in terms of the "archive", we're past the point of trying to use piggybacking onto hits (either thematically or literally) as the *main* outlet for archival material. I'm not saying that can't be part of the strategy.

But the vaults need to be opened wide, and the only people who want "Sea of Tunes" multi-disc-set style compilations of *every second* of the session tapes for eventual hit songs are the same people who, in some cases, already have those SOT sets, and/or are just as interested in the esoteric vault material from the 70s and 80s and so on.

I think mainstream targeted releases (whether "Sunshine Tomorrow" or something else) are great to put out there. But the realization needs to be that the archival material has its own inherent value, and also that archival releases aren't going to be popular enough to chart (high or at all), and that the purpose would be to service the several thousand to tens-of-thousands of hardcore fans.

We've made more than enough "bridge" projects that could have turned casual fans into hardcore fans. A 20-disc set of every second of every session tape only for songs that appear on "Sounds of Summer" is not something that is going to appeal to anybody but super hardcore fans. And even some of the hardcore fans would rather see a 2-CD set of Brother-era rarities or a 5-CD live boxed set than *multiple discs* of raw session tapes of hit 60s tracks.

I'd love for *everything* to put out in raw form (via digital downloads of course).

But we need to start with something substantial but not like 50 disc-sets. The areas I would focus on (beyond yearly "Copyright Extension" releases) would be:

- Live Releases via Digital Download - Release 1 or 2 soundboard live recordings each month spanning from the 60s to 1997 (and 2012)

- To jump start/promote the live online archive, they could do a multi-disc set of some of the best live stuff covering the entire career

- Deluxe Editions of key (or all) albums, especially 1970-1985, with original mixes, possibly full album remixes, and the 1-2 discs of outtakes

- Some sort of "Bedroom Tapes-ish" release focusing on Brian's stuff from the later 60s into the 70s (and possibly 80s); this could be a very loose theme utilizing home demos and studio stuff

- In lieu of (or in conjunction with) deluxe editions of the 70s/80s albums would be a true "Brother Rarities" multi-disc set; this would be perhaps where the true gems come from

- Looping back around to online/download territory (and/or streaming), they could then also dump a huge studio archive online. *This* is where the 87 false starts for songs could be housed

This stuff is all there ready to be released. Some of it has even already been mixed for old projects, etc. How about something like this:

Fall 2018 - "Friends" era Copyright Extension Set
Holiday Season 2018 - "The Ultimate Live Collection" 5-CD Boxed Set
Launching December 2018 - Live online archive of downloadable shows, 1-2 per month
Spring 2019 - "Bedroom Tapes" 3 to 5-CD Boxed Set
Fall 2019 - "20/20", etc. era Copyright Extension Set
Holiday Season 2019 - "Brother Rarities" 5-CD Boxed Set
Spring 2020 - An earlier-in-the-year "Copyright Extension" set for "Sunfower" era material, followed by....
Spring 2020 - "Sunflower" and "Surf's Up" "Immersion" style boxed sets
Fall/Holiday 2020 - "So Tough" and "Holland" Immersion sets

Yes, this is probably too packed of a schedule. Ideally, it's usually like one big project per year at most. But guess what? We're all getting older. There's probably a few million Beatles fans who died waiting for a decent "Let It Be" DVD/Blu-ray. If music industry trends/politics dictate less physical releases, then some or most of the stuff above can be all-digital (downloads *and* streaming).

But it's all stuff the group members wouldn't have to lift one finger to do. Just listen to it (or look at it), sign off, and collect some extra monies.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: southbay on May 17, 2018, 02:55:14 PM
I think at this stage, in terms of the "archive", we're past the point of trying to use piggybacking onto hits (either thematically or literally) as the *main* outlet for archival material. I'm not saying that can't be part of the strategy.

But the vaults need to be opened wide, and the only people who want "Sea of Tunes" multi-disc-set style compilations of *every second* of the session tapes for eventual hit songs are the same people who, in some cases, already have those SOT sets, and/or are just as interested in the esoteric vault material from the 70s and 80s and so on.

I think mainstream targeted releases (whether "Sunshine Tomorrow" or something else) are great to put out there. But the realization needs to be that the archival material has its own inherent value, and also that archival releases aren't going to be popular enough to chart (high or at all), and that the purpose would be to service the several thousand to tens-of-thousands of hardcore fans.

We've made more than enough "bridge" projects that could have turned casual fans into hardcore fans. A 20-disc set of every second of every session tape only for songs that appear on "Sounds of Summer" is not something that is going to appeal to anybody but super hardcore fans. And even some of the hardcore fans would rather see a 2-CD set of Brother-era rarities or a 5-CD live boxed set than *multiple discs* of raw session tapes of hit 60s tracks.

I'd love for *everything* to put out in raw form (via digital downloads of course).

But we need to start with something substantial but not like 50 disc-sets. The areas I would focus on (beyond yearly "Copyright Extension" releases) would be:

- Live Releases via Digital Download - Release 1 or 2 soundboard live recordings each month spanning from the 60s to 1997 (and 2012)

- To jump start/promote the live online archive, they could do a multi-disc set of some of the best live stuff covering the entire career

- Deluxe Editions of key (or all) albums, especially 1970-1985, with original mixes, possibly full album remixes, and the 1-2 discs of outtakes

- Some sort of "Bedroom Tapes-ish" release focusing on Brian's stuff from the later 60s into the 70s (and possibly 80s); this could be a very loose theme utilizing home demos and studio stuff

- In lieu of (or in conjunction with) deluxe editions of the 70s/80s albums would be a true "Brother Rarities" multi-disc set; this would be perhaps where the true gems come from

- Looping back around to online/download territory (and/or streaming), they could then also dump a huge studio archive online. *This* is where the 87 false starts for songs could be housed

This stuff is all there ready to be released. Some of it has even already been mixed for old projects, etc. How about something like this:

Fall 2018 - "Friends" era Copyright Extension Set
Holiday Season 2018 - "The Ultimate Live Collection" 5-CD Boxed Set
Launching December 2018 - Live online archive of downloadable shows, 1-2 per month
Spring 2019 - "Bedroom Tapes" 3 to 5-CD Boxed Set
Fall 2019 - "20/20", etc. era Copyright Extension Set
Holiday Season 2019 - "Brother Rarities" 5-CD Boxed Set
Spring 2020 - An earlier-in-the-year "Copyright Extension" set for "Sunfower" era material, followed by....
Spring 2020 - "Sunflower" and "Surf's Up" "Immersion" style boxed sets
Fall/Holiday 2020 - "So Tough" and "Holland" Immersion sets

Yes, this is probably too packed of a schedule. Ideally, it's usually like one big project per year at most. But guess what? We're all getting older. There's probably a few million Beatles fans who died waiting for a decent "Let It Be" DVD/Blu-ray. If music industry trends/politics dictate less physical releases, then some or most of the stuff above can be all-digital (downloads *and* streaming).

But it's all stuff the group members wouldn't have to lift one finger to do. Just listen to it (or look at it), sign off, and collect some extra monies.


Yes.  Especially the digital download release of soundboard recordings of the years you indicated.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 17, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Maybe this has been mentioned in the big paragraphs somewhere...but I'd really much rather have a big commemorative release that truly honors the good that came from the C50 experience. A REAL live album...all the tunes that made the cut at any point...good, bad, and ugly...without the Joe Thomas gloss. Wrap it up in a nice big box, include some facsimilie setlists and ticket stubs...kinda like the "McCartney Archive Collection" that Sir Paul is doing...very, very...very slowly.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: KDS on May 18, 2018, 05:41:58 AM
Maybe this has been mentioned in the big paragraphs somewhere...but I'd really much rather have a big commemorative release that truly honors the good that came from the C50 experience. A REAL live album...all the tunes that made the cut at any point...good, bad, and ugly...without the Joe Thomas gloss. Wrap it up in a nice big box, include some facsimilie setlists and ticket stubs...kinda like the "McCartney Archive Collection" that Sir Paul is doing...very, very...very slowly.

I'd love to see that too.   The C50 live material that we got was pretty bad.   But, I doubt very much that any further reunion live stuff would see the light of day while there's still a touring version of The Beach Boys on the road. 


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 18, 2018, 09:45:00 AM
I agree with KDS. As long as Mike is "still tourin'" with his band, there will be no such release of a C50 project. The reasons should be obvious.

And for another reason, in terms of marketing and potential audiences and buyers, the more casual fans who bought the official C50 live release will possibly not want to buy another, thinking they already have a live C50 release. Think outside the more invested fan base of diehards who follow this stuff daily, and the reasons there will be clear too.

Just look at those last shows of C50, played in the UK, and put the quality of those performances up against the other stuff including the current Beach Boys tours. If they released a full, complete show from that leg of the tour when the band kicked it up a few notches and delivered some amazing moments on stage, the same issues and questions that pretty much shattered and split the fanbase starting in Fall 2012 and linger today will come back and I doubt certain parties would want to revisit all that again.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: guitarfool2002 on May 18, 2018, 09:51:55 AM
In terms of what to release, I'll go back to "Making of..." type releases, where the full session tapes when available are presented and packaged chronologically and in raw form to show the development of some of the band's most iconic hit records.

I've been saying for a long time, the bar had been set very high by Rhino, specifically Rhino Handmade and their deluxe releases and packaging especially on the Monkees back catalog. They put out what they knew the diehard fans would want and would buy. Things like the Headquarters Sessions, the 1967 Live box deluxe set, and the repackaging of each Monkees album chock full of outtakes, sessions, alternate mixes, etc...what was available from each album.

Rhino and their Handmade division did it right by the Monkees fans, and I always hold those releases up as one way to do it right in terms of getting product out there for the niche, diehard fans who are more invested than the "Greatest Hits" buyers. They knew these releases would not appeal to several hundred thousand platinum-sales level numbers, and they did limited releases for the fans who would buy such releases instead.

It can be done.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 18, 2018, 12:56:34 PM
While a big, high-profile release of something from C50 is unlikely given the aftermath of that tour, I don't think it's impossible that 2012 shows could be released as part of a broad, career-spanning online downloadable archive of concerts.

If they released a few shows per month from every decade, and randomly slipped in some 2012 shows, I doubt that would be a huge issue.

But a big Blu-ray release of Royal Albert Hall or Red Rocks or Hollywood Bowl (the latter was shot in 3-D even, apparently) is probably unlikely given the political nature of the fallout of that tour. There's also the *possible* issue of Bennett being in all of that C50 footage. They could edit around it, and maybe after a certain amount of time it might not be deemed a deal breaker or anything, but Bennett being on every show on that tour probably doesn't *help* any release's prospects.

It's still unclear if Royal Albert Hall was truly, fully professionally shot on video. It looks like they had some on-stage sort of "go pro" style HD cameras, but I don't think the show was captured with a ton of cameras the way Red Rocks or Hollywood Bowl was (Wembley also likely exists in full pro-shot, as would most any show where there was an in-house video feed). The easy solution, when or if they ever do release more stuff from C50 would be, on the audio front, to just release the RAH show. In terms of video, they could grab the Red Rocks or Hollywood Bowl show and then supplement it with songs from RAH and Wembley, encompassing all 61 songs performed on the tour. But yeah, unlikely anytime soon.

In conjunction with a "Live" CD (or download) boxed set, they could also do a DVD/Blu-ray boxed set coverin all of the pro-shot video stuff that BRI owns. Such a set could also include C50 footage.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: tpesky on May 18, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
For a band that essentially toured for 36 years straight, the amount of live stuff released is absolutely pathetic.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: KDS on May 19, 2018, 08:49:15 AM
For a band that essentially toured for 36 years straight, the amount of live stuff released is absolutely pathetic.

Especially when compared to other legacy acts whose official live output either dwarfs or is close to dwarfing their studio catalog. 


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 19, 2018, 06:22:29 PM
I agree with KDS. As long as Mike is "still tourin'" with his band, there will be no such release of a C50 project. The reasons should be obvious.

And for another reason, in terms of marketing and potential audiences and buyers, the more casual fans who bought the official C50 live release will possibly not want to buy another, thinking they already have a live C50 release. Think outside the more invested fan base of diehards who follow this stuff daily, and the reasons there will be clear too.

Just look at those last shows of C50, played in the UK, and put the quality of those performances up against the other stuff including the current Beach Boys tours. If they released a full, complete show from that leg of the tour when the band kicked it up a few notches and delivered some amazing moments on stage, the same issues and questions that pretty much shattered and split the fanbase starting in Fall 2012 and linger today will come back and I doubt certain parties would want to revisit all that again.

I think someone in 2012/13 suggested the footage from London or the Hollywood Bowl if unused (as now appears to be the case) could have been given to the touring party as a thank you gift. If so, feel free to share!  :lol


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Shady on May 23, 2018, 11:36:26 AM
For a band that essentially toured for 36 years straight, the amount of live stuff released is absolutely pathetic.

The live stuff we got from the C50 tour still makes me sick


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: HeyJude on May 23, 2018, 12:36:26 PM
For a band that essentially toured for 36 years straight, the amount of live stuff released is absolutely pathetic.

The live stuff we got from the C50 tour still makes me sick

It's really just *some* of the tracks on the C50 CD set that sounds pretty awful in terms of autotune. Some of the stuff on the CD set sounds okay. It's all mixed rather dry and sterile-sounding, but there's fine-sounding stuff on that set, like some of Al and Dave's leads, etc.

Meanwhile, the sound on the C50 "Live in Concert" Blu-ray was just fine. If they had just included the entire concert, then that would be pretty close to perfect (other than that show, wherever it was (Arizona?) missing some songs performed at other dates).


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rocker on May 23, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
For a band that essentially toured for 36 years straight, the amount of live stuff released is absolutely pathetic.

The live stuff we got from the C50 tour still makes me sick


Well, there were a couple of nice radio broadcasts (not perfect but cool to listen to), but for the CD release I agree. I tried to listen to it a couple of times for more than just two or three songs but I just can't get through it. The performances themselves are great of course, but the sound.... And I believe they just put together some of the recordings that were released either as radio or TV broadcast but still messed them up with the post production or whatever it was.


Here's a nice collection of recordings:

https://www.npr.org/event/music/154917913/the-beach-boys-in-concert


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 23, 2018, 11:03:10 PM
I guess we take what we can get and thanks for reminding me about that NPR recording. I think it was mentioned back in the day but DIA and Isn’t It Time we’re just the 2011 re-recording and album version.

It would be great if someone could do a ‘best of’ fan mix. (NPR, Chiba,  BBC Radio 2, Live Album etc) to get most, if not all the songs of the tour. Come on you young tech wizards. Help us old geezers out!  :lol


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rocker on May 24, 2018, 12:45:49 AM
I guess we take what we can get and thanks for reminding me about that NPR recording. I think it was mentioned back in the day but DIA and Isn’t It Time we’re just the 2011 re-recording and album version.




Well, "Isn't it time" was from the China TV broadcast IIRC and it seemes to me that was a mix of studio and live recording (I recall hearing Al singing doubletracked vocals and then going singletracked for a couple of lines).

I just put on the 50th live CD and listen to it. It helped that I had it in mind as a piece of garbage, so everything that isn't as terrible is a welcome "surprise". Probably also better not to listen with headphones. "Don't back down" is a crime though. Let's see if I can get through the whole thing or at least one CD. Currently "Then I kissed her" is playing.


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: Rocker on May 26, 2018, 03:16:08 AM
I just wished they would release this complete performance, even if it was just a handful of songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsjRoDSYDA


Title: Re: Beach Boys in Glastonbury comeback talks after not so Good Vibrations since 2012
Post by: All Summer Long on May 26, 2018, 10:31:37 AM
I just wished they would release this complete performance, even if it was just a handful of songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJsjRoDSYDA

Completely agree. Love those acoustic versions.

(To everyone now:) So should we make a list of songs we think are listenable from the 2013 live album?