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Title: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Jim V. on May 08, 2018, 08:45:30 PM
Hey so...it's May 8th. And there's been no 1968 set announced yet by the guys. If memory serves, we had learned about Sunshine Tomorrow already by this point last year. And since nearly every important Beach Boys release except for The SMiLE Sessions in the past 10 years or so has come out right before or during summer, I woulda thought we woulda heard about a 1968 set by now.

Is it possible that there won't be a physical 1968 set, since maybe the last one didn't do so well (I don't know if this is the case, just guessing?) and since Friends was originally issued in stereo and doesn't seem in dire need of a remix. I personally assume that there might be a decent amount of unreleased material from 1968, namely...

"My Little Red Book"
"Untitled #1"
"You're as Cool as You Can Be"
"All I Wanna Do"
"Our Happy Home"
"New Song"
"Walkin'"


And then of course one would assume there would maybe be new edits of "Old Folks at Home/Ol' Man River" and "Can't Wait Too Long" and then also some revelatory alternate takes and mixes. And maybe if they felt it necessary (and they have the tapes) they coul even put those 1972 re-recordings of Friends material that Brian and friends did (or maybe they save that for a 1972 set). Regardless, while I don't assume that they'd be able to have two discs of material like Sunshine Tomorrow, I do think they could have at least a really nice single disc set with a coherent theme and a good story, just like last year's release.

Anyways, what's everybody think?


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Wata on May 09, 2018, 12:42:34 AM
They can include the stuff from 20/20, since all of the tracks were recorded in 1968 , so I assume it's not hard to fill two discs like last year.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Ian on May 09, 2018, 03:56:10 AM
It's still early in the year to hear much about December release-but I won't be surprised if it's download only-  but you never know


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Mr Fulton on May 09, 2018, 04:30:10 AM
I’ve heard that it is in the making


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Pet Sounder on May 09, 2018, 05:09:52 AM
All I care about is "We're Together Again".  It was recorded in '68.  If we get all the goods on that often overlooked gem, I'll be happy!


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Willy Wilson on May 09, 2018, 05:40:01 AM
I'd love some "DEEP AND WIDE" sessions/stack o-vocals.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Jim V. on May 09, 2018, 06:14:04 AM
It's still early in the year to hear much about December release-but I won't be surprised if it's download only-  but you never know

The point was I was hoping that it wouldn't just be a throwaway digital only December release, and instead a CD set released around the time Sunshine Tomorrow was.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: “Big Daddy” on May 09, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
If I had to guess, the orchestral release (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25874.msg633578.html) this summer would reduce the likelihood of any archival 1968 releases before the end of the year.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: PetSmile on July 03, 2018, 02:13:12 PM
Hope the "lost" Fred Vail country album will be part of the 68/69 material that might be available. That would make it one of the most important releases, if it saw the light of day. It's produced by Brian himself and although it's not Smile, it would be an enormous answer, and a win.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: John Brode on July 03, 2018, 02:53:52 PM
Well, we found out about Big Beat and Keep an Eye on Summer in December, so it's possible there will be a download only "sessions" compilation of Friends, 20/20, and other recordings done in 1968. Does anyone know if anything live was recorded for a potential live album that year? Something that could be used for a set like Sacramento, Chicago, Michigan and Live Sunshine?


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: All Summer Long on July 03, 2018, 03:22:26 PM
Hope the Fred Vail country album will be part of the material.

I thought that was recorded in 1970?


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: PetSmile on July 03, 2018, 03:25:42 PM
Hope the Fred Vail country album will be part of the material.

I thought that was recorded in 1970?

It was. They started working on it in April of 1970. Shame, I thought it might finally be released. I have given my humble opinion that they should release a 1968-73 compilation album, as a 68/69 would, in my view, be uninteresting by comparison with 1967 - Sunshine Tomorrow.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Bicyclerider on July 03, 2018, 05:21:23 PM
I suppose there’s no chance we’ll get the Desper recorded Manson Cease to Exist demo?  That would be fascinating to hear.  I think there should be plenty of 20/20 material, alternate takes, vocals only, outtakes etc that would make an interesting release.  And There are still some mono mixes unreleased officially from Friends.  More than enough for a 2 cd release- and hopefully Brian’s mono mix of the Child track will finally see the light of day.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Wirestone on July 04, 2018, 08:52:16 AM
If I had to guess, the orchestral release (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25874.msg633578.html) this summer would reduce the likelihood of any archival 1968 releases before the end of the year.

I really doubt it works that way. The orchestral album is a mass audience product.   Sunshine Tomorrow was not.

That being said, physical media is really on its last legs right now – except for vinyl.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on July 04, 2018, 11:30:45 AM
Is there a possibility of live recordings from the December 1968 British concerts that we haven't heard?


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 04, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
I have a feeling it will be digital only for the reason Wirestone mentioned, or at the very most if you want a physical copy you'll have to buy it online.

I am 99.9% certain something will be officially announced soon...


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Lonely Summer on July 04, 2018, 11:58:33 AM
I have no interest in the symphonic disc, but sadly, that is the kind of stuff the general public buys. Maybe we will get a combined 68/69 set next year.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Willy Wilson on July 04, 2018, 04:28:01 PM
I reckon now IS the time to ride the wave and put out other stuff. The BBs are getting more publicity and acclaim than in years.  :smokin


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: GuyO on August 02, 2018, 01:36:40 PM
Well, today a stereo mix of “Walk On By” was put up on YouTube and linked to from Brian’s official Facebook and Instagram.  https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC8HDM0wcaXWT-a2cOBKmGig

Could be a teaser?


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: HeyJude on August 02, 2018, 01:42:46 PM
Well, today a stereo mix of “Walk On By” was put up on YouTube and linked to from Brian’s official Facebook and Instagram.  https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC8HDM0wcaXWT-a2cOBKmGig

Could be a teaser?

The YouTube video Brian linked to appears to have been uploaded by some random person, and it was uploaded five years ago.

I think/hope some '68 stuff is due to be announced, but I don't think this YouTube link is from any such projects.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: jiggy22 on August 02, 2018, 01:58:36 PM
Well, today a stereo mix of “Walk On By” was put up on YouTube and linked to from Brian’s official Facebook and Instagram.  https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC8HDM0wcaXWT-a2cOBKmGig

Could be a teaser?

The YouTube video Brian linked to appears to have been uploaded by some random person, and it was uploaded five years ago.

I think/hope some '68 stuff is due to be announced, but I don't think this YouTube link is from any such projects.

Isn’t this seltaeb’s mix? Congrats man, you’re famous!


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Bicyclerider on August 05, 2018, 03:57:09 PM
Hopefully the complete Chicago 1968 concert that they pulled Friends and Little Bird from for Made in California will  be included.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: feelintheflows on August 05, 2018, 04:47:50 PM
I have no interest in the symphonic disc, but sadly, that is the kind of stuff the general public buys. Maybe we will get a combined 68/69 set next year.

I would love to know who and why thinks the public wants this? Is there a poll that is taken of what shutoff should be released??


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Jay on August 05, 2018, 08:32:09 PM
Hopefully the complete Chicago 1968 concert that they pulled Friends and Little Bird from for Made in California will  be included.
Yes!  ;D I've been wanting to hear the whole show since I heard those tracks on MIC.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Jay on August 05, 2018, 09:33:21 PM
I have a question about the copyright extension thing, but wasn't sure where to ask, so maybe I can just put it here. A copyright extension release represents each individual year, correct? What happens in the case of the 20/20-Sunflower era, where sessions kind of overlap each other?


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Bicyclerider on August 06, 2018, 07:08:03 AM
It’s fairly straightforward - 2018 is the last year in which to release material recorded in 1968 to extend the copyright protection.  If unreleased 1969 material is released in 2018, that material will have its copyright extended but for one less year than if they waited until 2019 to release it.  That one year difference is relatively trivial so if for artistic reasons they want to combine 68-69 sessions for a physical release they will probably do it.

As an example of this, Dylan’s Cutting Edge box set of all the 65-66 sessions was released in 2015.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: BeachBoysCovers on August 06, 2018, 10:20:38 AM
I have no interest in the symphonic disc, but sadly, that is the kind of stuff the general public buys. Maybe we will get a combined 68/69 set next year.

I would love to know who and why thinks the public wants this? Is there a poll that is taken of what shutoff should be released??

The fact that lots of people brought the Elvis / Roy Orbison ones is why they think the public wants it - and considering it spent 3 weeks in the UK Top 10 albums and is still, 8 weeks later, in the Top 100, I'd say they were right.



Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: MsBecca on August 06, 2018, 12:05:40 PM
I hope we hear something soon! This is my favorite era of the band and I am excited to hear what else may be in the vaults.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: HeyJude on August 06, 2018, 12:43:37 PM
I hope we hear something soon! This is my favorite era of the band and I am excited to hear what else may be in the vaults.

Don't want to assume too much one way or the other as far as what you own from the back catalog, but there are some cool "Friends" and "20/20" era outtakes on "Hawthorne, CA" (Dennis's "A Time to Live in Dreams" is worth the price of admission alone) and the 2013 "Made in California" set.

I've been really surprised none of the past archival sets have resurrected the mix of the song "Friends" where a string arrangement replaces the soaring backing vocals. Not better than the released version, but different.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: HeyJude on August 06, 2018, 12:46:41 PM
And I hope they finally give a digital (and maybe even physical CD!) release to the "A Capella" mix of "Friends" that thus far has only been released as the b-side to Al's charity single from a few years ago:

(https://img.discogs.com/ozV6tiZbODrmllAZcAvnTw06SsE=/fit-in/600x595/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-3872824-1472999952-6238.jpeg.jpg)

Though in the meantime I think it can still be easily found on YouTube.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: MsBecca on August 06, 2018, 03:27:12 PM
I hope we hear something soon! This is my favorite era of the band and I am excited to hear what else may be in the vaults.

Don't want to assume too much one way or the other as far as what you own from the back catalog, but there are some cool "Friends" and "20/20" era outtakes on "Hawthorne, CA" (Dennis's "A Time to Live in Dreams" is worth the price of admission alone) and the 2013 "Made in California" set.

I've been really surprised none of the past archival sets have resurrected the mix of the song "Friends" where a string arrangement replaces the soaring backing vocals. Not better than the released version, but different.

There is a version with strings?!


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: HeyJude on August 07, 2018, 06:35:34 AM
I hope we hear something soon! This is my favorite era of the band and I am excited to hear what else may be in the vaults.

Don't want to assume too much one way or the other as far as what you own from the back catalog, but there are some cool "Friends" and "20/20" era outtakes on "Hawthorne, CA" (Dennis's "A Time to Live in Dreams" is worth the price of admission alone) and the 2013 "Made in California" set.

I've been really surprised none of the past archival sets have resurrected the mix of the song "Friends" where a string arrangement replaces the soaring backing vocals. Not better than the released version, but different.

There is a version with strings?!

It's on one of the Sea of Tunes "Unsurpassed Masters" sets. It's an odd version. The strings replace the epic ascending vocals leading into each verse. You can tell listening to it why they junked it, I think. The soaring vocals are better, and the strings trying to replicate that vocal run sounds a bit awkward and stilted. But very interesting.

But it is surprising it hasn't been officially released given the other alternate versions of songs that have been on archival compilations from this time frame, like "Time to Get Alone" or "Break Away", etc.


Title: Re: If there is a 1968 set, when do you guys and gals think we'll find out??
Post by: Willy Wilson on August 07, 2018, 08:37:42 AM
I prefer the strings version of 'Friends', it has a sort of exotica 'Time to Get Alone' vibe...  :hat