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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFK6k-pvXmI

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Officially out now
https://twitter.com/JanelleMonae/status/989714403867017216

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Sounds good! Way to go Brian! Is that Matt on falsetto/high voice? On first listen I'd think it might be a couple of Brian's and a couple of Matt's

I really can't hear any Brian in this at all. Nice song though.

Wikipedia says (I'm assuming from the physical album credits) that it's Brian Wilson & Matt Jardine on that track.

Also says Brian contributed backing vocals to Take a Byte and you can barely hear him in the background at 3:50ish here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuWyu7ipsJ8


The "ohhhhs" especially in the bottom of the stack are obviously Brian.

Lovely song, great textures. Maybe it's because we know, but I hear Brian in there too.

Yes, the backing vocals are quite processed-sounding (which I think is probably justified for a song called "Dirty Computer"), and it does sound like a second voice like Matt is layered in there. But unlike some other past "guest" spots, I can *definitely* hear Brian's voice on this. It's quite prevalent. I can't imagine being familiar with his latter-day "vocal stack" sound and not being able to *easily* ID him on this.

I think Matt Jardine also does a much better job of blending *into* Brian's vocal stacks than Foskett (or Bennett, etc.) ever did. If Foskett had been on this, it would have sounded like a "wall of Fosketts." But here on Monae's track, Matt's high part sounds much more Brian-esque.

Also worth noting, and another reason I'm guessing the processing/autotune sound to the backing vocal stacks is a very specific stylistic choice is that Monae's voice *doesn't* sound heavily processed. It sounds surprisingly natural; you can actually hear the voice crack/break (although that's partly due to that style of singing), which I think is hugely refreshing.

The song itself is a nice little tune. It's short and does almost sound more like an opening prologue than a full song. But I'll be honest, if you made this a bit more rock/pop sounding in the *very general* framework of what Brian might do on his own albums, I'd frankly prefer a song like *this* to an album of Brian covering Little Richard and Buddy Holly.

I've never been one to overhype stuff like this and attack a ton of significance to the shocking idea of some young now-famous artist "allowing" an old fogey artist a bit of new exposure. But geez, it's pretty cool that this younger artist whose previous work doesn't exactly scream "much be a huge Beach Boys fan!" is into brining Brian in and prominently featuring him as a guest.

I'd have to scour previous Brian vocal guest spots from the last 20-30 years, but this might be one of the better Brian guest spots since his stack-o-vocals on that Anton Fig album from like 20 years ago.

Brian really needs to work with more super talented, relevant artists. This may be a small spot, but it's a lovely song and he sounds good on there. Still holding out hope that we'll get that Frank Ocean/Lana Del Rey collaborations in some shape or other.

Sounds great!    :)

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/janelle-monae-talks-enlisting-brian-wilson-for-new-album-w519575

Love it. So great to see Brian working with great new talents.

Nice song--actually one of the better ones on the somewhat disappointing album (said the Monae fan). I like the song and Wilson's part.

It definitely sticks in your head. I think the harmonies are great. Brian has a much greater presence on this track than Al and Matt had in that disappointing John Mayer track.  I don't quite get the title or the reference here, and I don't find anything special about Janelle's vocals.

Why were their parents sleeping at Columbia studios?

Yeah, it kinda sounds like she Googled the Beach Boys and found some random story that kinda doesn't make a lot of sense. I'm also not sure "soft" or "quiet" is the precise word I'd use to describe the group vocal stack sound they achieved over their career.

But guess what?

She called Brian Wilson up and got him to sing on her record. How many people here can call him up and have him sing on their song? And she probably even did it without putting some free cheese pizza in the break room for the session.

But yeah, how many people of that age doing that type of music profess to be a "big Beach Boys fan" and *ACTIVELY SEEK OUT* Brian Wilson (as opposed to someone's manager broaching the subject, etc.) to record with? I'll forgive the wonky "story" about not waking Murry up.

The only way there is any validity to the story is if you don't think of it as when they were recording, but they probably did practice late at night quietly.

I watched a segment on CBS Sunday Morning today on Janelle and it was fascinating. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/this-week-on-sunday-morning-april-29/

 I'm thrilled that Brian and Matt sound so great on this song.  She knew what she was doing.  Never mind that she grew up a few miles away from me - She was in a tougher part of town (and much later!) and I was in the suburbs - but my Dad taught me to love Kansas City's music scene and she's blended that energy with the heavenly sound of Brian amazingly.

I remember reading something many years ago where Brian was talking about how special "In My Room" was. He said he taught Dennis and Carl the song "Ivory Tower," and they would sing it softly in three-part harmony in their room after Murry would get angry and violent. It would bring them comfort.

Maybe that's what she was referring to, and said "recording" by mistake.

A young, popular artist admires Brian's work and asked him to appear on her album. We don't have to go all Andrew G. Doe on her if her facts aren't 100 percent correct.

Amen!!!

It's not about facts, it's just an incoherent sentence. Maybe it's a misquote.

It's amazing that a young musical artist from a different culture gets it about Brian's power (that great healing music).  I love the recording.  As the Dalai Lama said, "All religion is just about love and compassion."  Brian knows how to make that compelling sound that's irresistible.

It's lovely. I mostly hear Matt, but I can definitely also hear Brian. I do wish Matt was listed on the YouTube, so listeners would know about him.

Any mention anywhere of who arranged the vocals? Was it a case where Brian was sent a recording and asked to arrange/sing the harmonies, or did Janelle arrange and tell Brian and Matt what to sing?

For context, Monae's last two albums and an EP were concept albums with her protraying an android robot name Cindi Mayweather

Or you could watch the first couple minutes of the film she made to go along with the album and it explains it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdH2Sy-BlNE


Monae's a real student of music/film history, so that's not surprising.  You can find influences in her work from the 1920s all the way to modern (and things in-between like James Brown, Beach Boys, John Barry's film scores, Prince, MJ, Stevie Wonder, etc).

Here's the song credits, taken from that video:

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Sounds like a BW arrangement to me, especially those bass vocal bits.

Harmonies that have that texture are Brian's calling card. Janelle gets it, and I mean beyond the notes themselves. There is an overall texture that Brian owns when he does harmony vocals.

What I really liked about this was how Janelle sees those harmonies on another level beyond the simple practice of stacking vocals. She saw the texture, the mood, the whole vibe that exists on all those harmony parts Brian had done his whole career. That aspect of singing quietly, it adds that unique texture that musicians like Janelle picked up on which is something an artist with very good ears and sensibilities would hear and gravitate toward.

I got a vibe similar to "The Lonely Sea" or "In My Room" on this new track Dirty Computer. You hear both of those tracks, from 62-63, and there is that kind of sensitive, almost reverent vocal harmony sound that is unlike a lot of groups or artists who stacked vocals. I call it the X Factor, that element which sets them apart. And it sounds like Janelle may have had Lonely Sea or In My Room in mind with her title track because they share similar chord movements and overall moods...and who better to call in than the architect of those original sounds.

As far as fact-checking what Janelle said in the various interviews about the Wilson brothers singing quietly, she's right. The Wilson boys would harmonize with each other as kids in their bedroom and had to do it quietly so they didn't wake their parents. Doing that on a weekly if not nightly basis for any extended period of time will inject itself as a style and technique which would shape the way they sing. Those harmony sessions late night in the Wilson bedroom came out on the Beach Boys records - They're not singing doo-wop or streetcorner harmony, they're blending with this quiet and hushed technique that married itself *perfectly* to the material, especially Lonely Sea, Surfer Girl, In My Room...all the way up to Cool Cool Water. It's a different style of singing.

And as a comparison, check out the Dixieland section of Heroes And Villains. THAT was the Wilson brothers (and Al and Mike) replicating how they used to riff like a Dixieland band using their vocals, dating back to the Hawthorne days and on car trips to various shows. It came out on their records.

A comparison from the jazz world is Wes Montgomery - The story is that his wife would get on his case about him practicing his guitar and waking up their kid. So Wes started playing with his bare thumb instead of a pick, so his guitar wouldn't be as loud while others in the house were sleeping.

And the way his thumb made the sound quieter and softer became Wes' signature sound, and a sound which defined his music - Because no one was doing that for the most part. Guitarists who are hip to it will even call playing guitar with their thumb after Wes, or will say they're using the "Wes Montgomery thumb"...I know I do lol.

Just a related example of how practicing at home and having to be soft or quiet leads to creating a signature sound and technique that defines a career in music.

Great track, BW is as creative as ever and Monáe is a great artist!

So based on this, Brian did not arrange it. There's a credit for writing and for composing and arranging, and for lyrics. Not sure how all of these are different, but Brian is not named in any of them. I assume the harmonies were arranged, BW-style, by the arranger.

"Vocal Arranger" is not as standard a typical "sleeve credit" as writing, production, engineering, etc. I wouldn't assume much one way or the other.

The background vocals aren't super twist-turny or anything. It's not like the "Orange Crate Art" album or something. It's mostly "oooohs" that match each of the song's chord changes. Essentially, the music part of the composition dictated the backing vocal arrangement.

"Arrangement" credits in general on albums can mean a lot of different things. It often is a credit given to a producer (or other individual) who does more than "production" on a song, but not something that full-on warrants a songwriting credit.

It may be that this credit pops up more now than it did years ago. For instance, I recall a bit of credit "overkill" on Brian's "Playback" album where Brian was credited with the arrangements on all of the songs

Right, and I won't pretend to know anything about how credits work, but you would think Brian would be credited in this case. If I buy an album and the artist did the vocal arrangement, I never see that credited. But Brian is a special (and honored) guest who would be doing some work on a major part of the song in this case. You'd think they wouldn't just not credit him. And you pointing out that the vocal arrangement is similar to the chords is another possible piece of evidence for the composer getting credit for doing the vocal arrangement.

Then again, did Brian get credit for other vocal arrangements he did, for Linda Ronstadt, Anton Figg, etc? Or did the sleeve just say he did the vocals?

I think the important selling point for the song, as far as letting people know Brian is on it, and potentially enticing BB/BW fans about Brian's participation (though I doubt Monae is really angling at that at all), is simply billing Brian as being a guest on the track.

There have been other Brian guest backing vocal spots where he wasn't given any main artist credit (e.g. "featuring Brian Wilson") as Monae has given Brian. Random examples would include the 1992 and 1998 tracks Brian sang on for Ringo Starr. Brian was credited in the track-by-track musician credits for those tracks, but was not credited on the "back cover" so to speak as he is on this Monae track.

I don't think much of anything hinges on whether Brian actually arranged the backing vocals versus simply singing them as hired gun, as far as attacking people to purchase the song and/or listen to it. Nobody I can imagine is saying "well, I was going to listen or buy this track, but if he was directed in what to sing rather than arranged the vocals himself, then I'm out."

I'd certainly like to think, given the *copious* amount of detailed song-by-song liner notes the album has, that they would have credited Brian had he arranged the backing vocals. So I would guess they asked Brian to come in and said "sing this in these spots"; they may have even had a temp backing vocal track for Brian to work off of.

Which is fine; we all know Brian perhaps more than *anything* else has the capacity to arrange intricate vocal arrangements. Based on Monae's interview, it sounds like she didn't want his arranging talents, she wanted his *sound* and sort of tactics/attack plan for recording vocals.

Brian's sound is the way he arranges vocals. Everyone can decide for themselves what they think Brian did or didn't do on this new track (use your ears, just a tip...lol), but his M.O. for decades as far as vocal recording/arranging has been pretty much the same with exceptions such as Orange Crate Art. He gets behind the mic and starts adding individual vocal parts to the track. Restating again, this is what he's been doing since he got that tape recorder in his teens in Hawthorne.

Not saying this was the same method, once again listen and decide with your own ears, but this is from Linda Ronstadt when she brought Brian in to add his harmonies to a track:

In the studio, under Brian’s direction, we recorded his harmony parts for “Adios” with five separate tracks of unison singing on each of the three parts, fifteen vocal tracks in all.  He didn’t seem concerned if some of the tracks veered slightly out of tune, but took advantage of the slight “chorused” effect it created when he came back into the control room to mix the harmony tracks into the creamy vocal smoothness instantly recognizable as the Beach Boys.

Brian was making up the harmonies as he went along, but sometimes, when he was having difficulty figuring out a complicated section, he would scold himself and say that he needed to work for a time at the piano.  However, when he sat down at the piano, he never played any part of “Adios,” but instead would play a boogie-woogie song, very loud in a different key.  After a few minutes of this he would go back to the microphone and sing the parts perfectly, without a trace of hesitation.

And:

Brian came into the studio and sang 15 parts for 'Adios'! I was just flabbergasted. Brian's really a vocal orchestrator. There isn't anybody else in pop music with that kind of talent. He just comes in and puts the parts down, one right after another - real close, intricate harmony parts. I was astounded.


Would it make sense for someone influenced by Brian's harmonies and vocal arrangements to get him involved in a track, and have someone write a score for him to sing or replace demo parts as Brian had done since the early 60's with him dealing out parts to the Beach Boys to sing and create those vocal sounds that influenced so many through the years? Not saying what happened, but just asking would it make sense?

I remember a story about Earl Palmer. When he got to LA and started doing regular sessions, building up an already legendary resume and list of hit records anchored by his drumming, a young producer tried to explain to Earl how to play a certain beat. Earl's response should be a T-Shirt or meme:

"Son, I invented this sh*t".

(And as I'm posting this, Janelle's "Make Me Feel" just came on the radio.)

Linda Ronstadt's recollection is really interesting! Who else, besides a true BB /Brian Wilson fan, would care about this information, or the source of their "soft" harmonizing? Thank you. 

Is Brian's "Shornin' Bread" a slow boogie woogie?

Thank you for the remarkable Linda R. quote.

check out these two cats dancing to boogie woogie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWDfxgngrNc

Decent song and Brian sounds good.

Maybe Brian can bring Janelle Monae, and perhaps Kevin Barnes, on his next album?

And why not get Kevin's cousin Jeremy Barnes, and his bandmates Julian Koster, Scott Spillane, and Jeff Mangum as well? Bryan "BP Helium" Poole, Robert Schneider, Hilary Sidney, Will Cullen Hart, Bill Doss, Laura Carter...Elephant 6 party at Brian's house!!

Bill Doss died five or six years ago.

I don’t believe Jeremy and Kevin Barnes are related: where did you hear that?

Robert is a math grad student and teaching assistant at Emory University these days, not doing music anymore.

I would have sworn I read somewhere that Kevin Barnes and Jeremy Barnes were distantly related, like third cousins or something. Now I think I was either dreaming, or someone online was making up bullshit.

He still shows up occasionally. He performed at Athens Popfest back in 2016 as a "special guest", apparently.

Hoping for an easter egg or bonus track that features the backing track plus Brian/Matt. The more I listen, the more I love these harmonies. However, Janelle's lyrics aren't exactly appropriate for my classroom (or for listening with the ol' man).

Don't like it.  Sounds like a robot with backing vocals that sounds more like Matt than Brian

Listened - nice. Brian/ Matt did well. Imo Janelle's voice is nothing special. Cool she's fan. The uber-long list of credits, the painstaking details, made me laugh.