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Title: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Wata on February 02, 2018, 05:27:48 AM
Hey guys, here's the next one.

One album (20/20) and one non-album singles (Break Away/Celebrate The News)

vs. One album (Abbey Road), two non-album singles (Get Back/Don't Let Me Down and The Ballad of John & Yoko/Old Brown Shoe, an alternate version of Across The Universe



Now, which band's output do you prefer in 1969? Make sure you go only by your own preference and consider only the released stuff listed above.

Look forward to your opinions & discussions  :)


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: KDS on February 02, 2018, 05:46:12 AM
As much as I like 20/20 and tracks from that era.....it's going up against Abbey Road. 

So, this is an easy vote for The Beatles.   Like I've said before, the greatest album by the greatest band. 


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Crow on February 02, 2018, 06:07:31 AM
The Beach Boys are my favorite band ever but Abbey Road is a complete masterpiece.... Beatles


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Lee Marshall on February 02, 2018, 06:19:58 AM
Love 20/20 a MOST underrated album..Glimpses of Smile plus some excellent new songs...and great work from Carl.  Breakaway and Celebrate the News are top of the line as well...a very, VERY good year from the 'Boys'.  But you can't beat Abbey Road..  A REALLY GREAT album vs. the Beatles best...certainly, for me, on equal footing with Revolver and Rubber Soul and better than Peppers and the rest...1969 belongs to the Beatles.  NEXT year WON'T. though.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: pixletwin on February 02, 2018, 06:20:50 AM
1969 is  pretty much an easy vote for me. It's not even a contest.

Beatles.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: rab2591 on February 02, 2018, 07:15:00 AM
Beatles. (To all the Beatles fans from other forums: I hope the overwhelming votes for the Beatles in this thread (and the previous one) doesnt make our forum look embarrassing).

20/20 is The Beach Boys’ most depressing era for me. It’s the nail in the coffin of Brian totally letting go of producing like he used to. It’s a hodgepodge of amazing and dreadful songs, none of them seem like they were recorded for any reason in particular, much less for an album. Dennis’ ‘Be With Me’ is one of my favorite songs, but it’s lumped between a quirky Bluebird cover and a song that turns into literal sonic pornography.

The Nearest Faraway Place is hotel lounge shmaltz, and I want to like it so badly because I love Beach Boys instrumentals...but the rolling piano riffs just make me cringe. Let’s see, we’ve got the incredible ‘Time To Get Alone’ followed up by a song literally co-written by America’s most infamous murderer. Then there are two random Smile tracks tacked onto the end. This album is a train wreck of great and bad songs, all combined to cement the point that The Beach Boys without Brian Wilson at the helm could become an extravagant looking ship with nowhere to sail.

Abbey Road is a friggin masterpiece. This is one of my favorite vinyls that I own, I’ll end up wearing it out! It is one of the clearest sounding albums I’ve heard - ‘Hear Comes The Sun’ is just one of their most beautiful songs.

Beatles all the way for 1969.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on February 02, 2018, 10:49:06 AM
I really like Break Away and Celebrate the News.
Don't care much for Don't Let Me Down or Ballad of John and Yoko. However I love Get Back and Old Brown Shoe.

20/20 is up and down. Some great songs but can't get into All I Want To Do, Nearest Faraway Place or Never Learn Not to Love.

Abbey Road, with the exception of Maxwell's Silver Hammer, is an absolutely great album .

My vote is Beatles


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: All Summer Long on February 02, 2018, 12:58:25 PM
The Beatles.

Beach Boys Songs I Like from 1969 (soon to be edited because I haven't heard Break Away or Celebrate the News yet):
Do It Again
I Can Hear Music
Bluebirds Over the Mountain
All I Want to Do
Cottonfields
Our Prayer
Cabinessence (sometimes I like part of it)

Beatles Songs I Like from 1969:
Get Back
Don't Let Me Down
The Ballad of John and Yoko
Come Together
Something
Here Comes the Sun
You Never Give Me Your Money/Sun King/Mean Mr. Mustard
Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End
Oh Darling
Octopus' Garden
Her Majesty (sure it's kinda stupid but it's only 23 seconds)
Polythene Pam/She Came In Through the Bathroom Wndow (sometimes)  
Because (sometimes)
I Want You (She's So Heavy) (very rarely)



Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: bummerinparadise on February 02, 2018, 02:28:44 PM
I personally like 20/20, but it doesn't even come close to the absolute genius of Abbey Road.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on February 02, 2018, 02:58:09 PM
Bought and enjoyed both when release, but something funny happened along the way. I spun AR just a few times compared to very many for 20/20. Obviously, being a from the beginning BB die hard fan, there was some down and dirty bias going down but honestly, 20/20 was a fascinating type of peephole into some of the thing that didn't make it into albums or *leftovers* as some would say. Maybe the same could be said of AR. My favorites: ICHM, DIA, BWM, IWTS, TTGA, NLNTL, OP and of course, the amazing Cabinessence. I was totally intrigued by Dennis' take of NLNTL playing it over and over and still love it. It's hard to explain, but as great AR was and still is, I still found 20/20 (and Breakaway) to be more, say, interesting as if a part of the puzzle had been found, at least back then. Cottonfields, Nearest, and All I Want received the least listens on the album. What made it all come to life was seeing them live in 69 at Steel Pier playing Breakaway, and I Can Hear Music. God, they were great! Voted Beach Boys.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 03, 2018, 12:38:31 AM
Bought and enjoyed both when release, but something funny happened along the way. I spun AR just a few times compared to very many for 20/20. Obviously, being a from the beginning BB die hard fan, there was some down and dirty bias going down but honestly, 20/20 was a fascinating type of peephole into some of the thing that didn't make it into albums or *leftovers* as some would say. Maybe the same could be said of AR. My favorites: ICHM, DIA, BWM, IWTS, TTGA, NLNTL, OP and of course, the amazing Cabinessence. I was totally intrigued by Dennis' take of NLNTL playing it over and over and still love it. It's hard to explain, but as great AR was and still is, I still found 20/20 (and Breakaway) to be more, say, interesting as if a part of the puzzle had been found, at least back then. Cottonfields, Nearest, and All I Want received the least listens on the album. What made it all come to life was seeing them live in 69 at Steel Pier playing Breakaway, and I Can Hear Music. God, they were great! Voted Beach Boys.
Cool tale. :3d

Don't care much for Don't Let Me Down or Ballad of John and Yoko. However I love Get Back and Old Brown Shoe.
It's good you hate John's songs. It's tedious when people choose/ praise John as if Paul with George didn't write great songs.

Beach Boys - even with "Bluebirds"/ TNFP dullfest & real Beatles gem "Here Comes The Sun", the best BBs (f.ex. "Cabinessence") is better than best Beatles. You can disagree & bring objective points in Beatles' favor but, it still wouldn't make ANY sense. Standing by things I said.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Lee Marshall on February 03, 2018, 07:32:04 AM
I agree with THAT.  Cabinessence pounds anything the Beatles released in '69.  So too does Time to Get Alone.  But THOSE victories are offset by Nearest Far Away Place and Bluebirds Over the Mountain which sounded 'dated' the second it was recorded.  After that...The Beatles win too many battles to come in 2nd.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 03, 2018, 08:50:12 AM
A tie always goes to the Beach Boys, but this is an easy vote for the Beatles. Abbey Road is currently my favorite Beatles album! And my favorite song is Because! 20/20 has lots of good songs, but feels disjointed. The way the white album was.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: rab2591 on February 03, 2018, 08:54:33 AM
A tie always goes to the Beach Boys, but this is an easy vote for the Beatles. Abbey Road is currently my favorite Beatles album! And my favorite song is Because! 20/20 has lots of good songs, but feels disjointed. The way the white album was.

The a cappella version of ‘Because’ from their Love album is one of the most beautiful songs I’ve heard.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Kid Presentable on February 03, 2018, 09:01:06 AM
To those that somehow voted 1967/1968/1969 for the BBs, is there any year at all where the Beatles somehow, miraculously eke out a win over the Beach Boys?  Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year, even when they had legendary failures that had (up to that point) never been seen at such a magnitude in the music industry? 


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 03, 2018, 09:16:27 AM
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Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year
Yes. Why? Any sleep lost about it?


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on February 03, 2018, 09:32:46 AM
A tie always goes to the Beach Boys, but this is an easy vote for the Beatles. Abbey Road is currently my favorite Beatles album! And my favorite song is Because! 20/20 has lots of good songs, but feels disjointed. The way the white album was.

The a cappella version of ‘Because’ from their Love album is one of the most beautiful songs I’ve heard.

That is the version that made me recognize it! Sounds like the Beach Boys Friends era! Or Til I Die esque


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: rab2591 on February 03, 2018, 09:50:58 AM
A tie always goes to the Beach Boys, but this is an easy vote for the Beatles. Abbey Road is currently my favorite Beatles album! And my favorite song is Because! 20/20 has lots of good songs, but feels disjointed. The way the white album was.

The a cappella version of ‘Because’ from their Love album is one of the most beautiful songs I’ve heard.

That is the version that made me recognize it! Sounds like the Beach Boys Friends era! Or Til I Die esque

Yeah! I think its that reverb-like atmosphere in it. The Love version was the first one I heard, I heard it as a sample on Amazon and its what made me buy the entire CD. Both versions are just great.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on February 03, 2018, 11:50:31 AM
To those that somehow voted 1967/1968/1969 for the BBs, is there any year at all where the Beatles somehow, miraculously eke out a win over the Beach Boys?  Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year, even when they had legendary failures that had (up to that point) never been seen at such a magnitude in the music industry? 

Although I didn't vote BBs for those years they were all close votes for me, particularly 1968. In that year the Beatles in my opinion either were getting tired of the routine, or just figuring that they could "phone it in" and people would still consider the dreck to be masterpieces.
This is a preference poll. If someone prefers more "pop" than "rock" then they might lean more towards the Beach Boys.
I really like the instrumentation the Beach Boys used on the late 1960s albums, the banjo, bass harmonica, and the piano that sounds sort of like the ones played in saloons in the Old West. Preferred that to all of the studio tricks the Beatles were employing. It was great when the Beatles went back more to their roots on Abbey Road.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on February 03, 2018, 12:30:48 PM
To those that somehow voted 1967/1968/1969 for the BBs, is there any year at all where the Beatles somehow, miraculously eke out a win over the Beach Boys?  Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year, even when they had legendary failures that had (up to that point) never been seen at such a magnitude in the music industry? 

I don't know, maybe, just maybe, people on a Beach Boys forum actually prefer the Beach Boys music over the Beatles.

It's a shocking and difficult concept to get your head around I know, and goes totally against the accepted narrative of poular culture.

So either peole are lying, or they hear things differently to you.

Utterly stunning conceit.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Kid Presentable on February 03, 2018, 02:39:29 PM
To those that somehow voted 1967/1968/1969 for the BBs, is there any year at all where the Beatles somehow, miraculously eke out a win over the Beach Boys?  Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year, even when they had legendary failures that had (up to that point) never been seen at such a magnitude in the music industry?  

I don't know, maybe, just maybe, people on a Beach Boys forum actually prefer the Beach Boys music over the Beatles.

It's a shocking and difficult concept to get your head around I know, and goes totally against the accepted narrative of poular culture.

So either peole are lying, or they hear things differently to you.

Utterly stunning conceit.

Not very stunning, not very conceited.  Why even do this if there is zero objectivity?  


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: SamMcK on February 03, 2018, 03:01:22 PM
It's got to be The Beatles for this year, just because Abbey Road is such a fantastic album. But funnily enough when I look at my top five favourite BB songs of 1969 I think I love them about equally with The Beatles best of 1969:

I Can Hear Music (the voice of Carl Wilson, 'nuff said!)
I Went To Sleep (it may be incredibly short but its wonderful)
Time To Get Alone (an incredible production)
Break Away (post-SMiLE classic from Brian)
Celebrate The News (a hidden gem if ever there was one)


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on February 03, 2018, 03:40:46 PM
Not very stunning, not very conceited.  Why even do this if there is zero objectivity?  

I dunno. Maybe to have fun?

There are people from all over the world in this forum who have different experiences as to how they learned of the music from the Beach Boys and the Beatles. I enjoy hearing their respective perspectives.
And haven't the Beatles won most of these polls?


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: pixletwin on February 03, 2018, 04:45:52 PM
Not very stunning, not very conceited.  Why even do this if there is zero objectivity?  

I dunno. Maybe to have fun?

There are people from all over the world in this forum who have different experiences as to how they learned of the music from the Beach Boys and the Beatles. I enjoy hearing their respective perspectives.
And haven't the Beatles won most of these polls?

Including this one, so far...


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: rab2591 on February 03, 2018, 05:02:24 PM
Not very stunning, not very conceited.  Why even do this if there is zero objectivity?  

I dunno. Maybe to have fun?

There are people from all over the world in this forum who have different experiences as to how they learned of the music from the Beach Boys and the Beatles. I enjoy hearing their respective perspectives.
And haven't the Beatles won most of these polls?

Including this one, so far...

Honestly, no matter how many times its explained to me, I do not understand why these polls raise so much angst among some members. I like reading the discussions these threads generate and reading why people like certain music....whether or not those tastes correlate with my own. It’s not worth disrupting every thread just because one or two fans have a very high opinion of The Beach Boys.

As pixletwin and NOLA BB Fan pointed out, the Beatles are looked on rather highly by most everyone participating in these threads. No need to get worked up about the few who don’t feel this way.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 03, 2018, 05:12:46 PM
HV IV is a fan's fan here! 8)


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: KDS on February 03, 2018, 05:21:09 PM
To those that somehow voted 1967/1968/1969 for the BBs, is there any year at all where the Beatles somehow, miraculously eke out a win over the Beach Boys?  Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year, even when they had legendary failures that had (up to that point) never been seen at such a magnitude in the music industry?  

I don't know, maybe, just maybe, people on a Beach Boys forum actually prefer the Beach Boys music over the Beatles.

It's a shocking and difficult concept to get your head around I know, and goes totally against the accepted narrative of poular culture.

So either peole are lying, or they hear things differently to you.

Utterly stunning conceit.

Not very stunning, not very conceited.  Why even do this if there is zero objectivity?  

This again?


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on February 04, 2018, 01:35:48 AM
To those that somehow voted 1967/1968/1969 for the BBs, is there any year at all where the Beatles somehow, miraculously eke out a win over the Beach Boys?  Or were the BBs somehow the best band every single year, even when they had legendary failures that had (up to that point) never been seen at such a magnitude in the music industry?  

I don't know, maybe, just maybe, people on a Beach Boys forum actually prefer the Beach Boys music over the Beatles.

It's a shocking and difficult concept to get your head around I know, and goes totally against the accepted narrative of poular culture.

So either peole are lying, or they hear things differently to you.

Utterly stunning conceit.

Not very stunning, not very conceited.  Why even do this if there is zero objectivity?  

This again?

Yes, this again unfortunately. 

It's like me going to a Spice Girls forum, and giving them some sanctimonious little speech about objectivity just because they prefer Spice World to Pet Sounds.

It seems that many, (but not all) Beatles fans confuse cultural value with musical value. That the Beatles have HUGE cultural value is something that can be discussed objectively, because it's pretty indisputable.

Whether or not you value their music though is entirely personal.

If the cultural narrative is that the Beatles were the most musically talented pop / rock band ever, and you buy into that,  then you won't be alone. Mass acceptance of a myth is something we humans are very good at. A myth is all it is though.

If most people accept that myth then it becomes an unquestionable truth to them. They then get very threatened by those who don't believe it and attempt to silence them. Belittling and mocking is a classic tactic of this very human trait.

Some of us are more enlightened though and have no problem accepting that other people experience things differently.









Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Kid Presentable on February 04, 2018, 02:12:38 AM
Who's getting worked up?  Not I.  There were some answers to my original question that answered it quite well (NOLA BB Fan).  Others reacted to my loaded question with a loaded response.  That is fine too.

Nonetheless.  Let's go to Italy and ask people whether Italian food or French food is better.  Then let's go to Dodger Stadium and see if people like the Dodgers or the Yankees.  Then I plan on going to Novosibirsk, and asking people whether Communism in 1967 was better than the free market- no evidence, just raw, fingertipped emotion captured on a Leonid Brezhnev Presents The KOSyGIN Reform message board.  


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on February 04, 2018, 02:39:07 AM
You really, truly don't get it do you?

On what planet does someones personal tatse require evidence???

I don't like the Beatles. I don't  have to justify it. Fucking deal with it.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Kid Presentable on February 04, 2018, 04:22:29 AM
You really, truly don't get it do you?

On what planet does someones personal tatse require evidence???

I don't like the Beatles. I don't  have to justify it. Fucking deal with it.

Look at that reply.  These threads aren't as simple as "uhhhhh, I like the BBs best."  Because then nearly all of us would say that.  Look where we are!  These threads are rooted in fact and objectivity- you are asked to consider the year and the output and then cast a vote where there is a winner and a loser.  People explain their rationale and that is valued.  Somewhere the threads changed so as to accommodate people who wanted to only post based on personal emotion.  That is fine.  But then when you come across a question, framed for example in this widely accepted timeline:

"1967: what has often been called the best rock and roll album of all time plus 3 successful singles vs botching Smile, botching Lei'd (and Monterey), rushing SS, and rushing WH: who you got?"
*passion post about how the BBs win 1967*

Why is that somehow now unable to be questioned?  I will give it to you that I questioned it via a tonne of sarcasm, but it wasn't directed at anybody personally and you shouldn't have to wear XL-sized kid gloves every time you question staunch partisan viewpoints in this forum anyways.  Awaiting more inappropriate, expletived responses from you.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 04, 2018, 04:58:56 AM
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If someone prefers more "pop" than "rock" then they might lean more towards the Beach Boys.
Wrong. Beatles made pop songs too. Ditto BBs made rock songs. Besides, when I lean towards band/ singer, it's got zero to do with if this band/ singer rocks or pops. Usually it's reasons' combination.

But, of course, BBs is vocal band. It's fact that BBs beat Beatles/ everybody else in vocal dept. As HeyJude agreed before, they're 2nd to none. Beatles isn't vocal band.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on February 04, 2018, 05:05:53 AM
Kid Presentable.  Sorry if the bad word upset you. My frustration got the better of me.

You genuinely seem to have a problem accepting the fact that people didn't vote the way you wanted. A few people have commented on this now.

I gave my reason for voting Smiley Smile over Sgt Pepper.  Go back and check the thread.  I also gave my reason in voting Friends over The Beatles.

Smiley Smile is my favourite Beach Boys album. Sorry I can't give you empirical evidence or proof.  I tend to listen past production to the actual songs and arrangement.  Form / structure wise, the songs on SS are far superior to anything on Peppers. The vocal arrangements also are way beyond anything the Beatles put down that year, or ever. Heroes and Villians is a fucking masterpiece, there's that word again.  And, the sublime Wind Chimes, my god, best thing ever put down on tape by anyone. Ever.

All my subjective opinion of course.

It is also my opinion that, though there are a few semi intersting tracks on Pepper, the majority of it is awful. Good Morning is a cluttered, cacophonous mess, Within You Without You is about 5 minutes too long. McCartneys offerings are forgetable as usual, and apart from Lucy and Mr Kite, Lennon is just phoning it in. Best album ever?  Pile of boring,  overrated shite more like.

On to Friends, which is a far more cohesive album than The Beatles. Structure wise some extremely mature compositions here from Wilson. I had no problem voting the album that contained Wake the World, Busy Doing Nothing and When a Man Loves a Women over one that contains the amount of lazy filler that The Beatles does. Goodness,. I'd have been insulted playing that back in the day. Almost as conceited as your posts. That was when they realised their fans would buy anything. Its one redeeming feature is it has Julia on it, which is great. McCartneys stuff is shite as usual.

Now accept my opinion and stop trying to censor people.  Your inabilty to comprehend that others  think differently to you makes you at best a moron, at worst a psychopath.

Your posts all boil down to one simple sentiment

'B-b-b-b-but its the Beatles !!!'

Beatles fans - the religious nut jobs of the music fandom world.  :lol


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Wata on February 04, 2018, 05:29:58 AM
Hey guys, I said "make sure you go only by your preference" in the initial post. You don't have to consider historical importance/sales or anything.

And you see that doesn't mean BB wins every year. Beatles has already won several times.

So it's okay if you voted for BB's or Beatles in any year's poll. That's your opinion and that must be respected.

Don't go bushing each other about each other's preference/opinion.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Kid Presentable on February 04, 2018, 06:35:06 AM
There is no "way I wanted", nor have I been "trying to censor people".  I am not even anything more than a casual Beatles fan, in contrast to my Beach Boys affinity.  And either a moron or a psychopath, or a pig, idiot, liar, or communist. 

You actually gave no reason for voting Smiley Smile over Sgt Peppers until now.  You just said something about Smiley Smile being musical perfection and the greatest album ever made- so wait, that wasn't sarcasm?  I just want to be sure because I thought you were making fun of Smiley Smile the whole time.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on February 04, 2018, 11:02:29 AM
No sarcasm intended, though I often am sarcastic. Perhaps we misunderstood each other. Easily done.

Sorry for the name calling. I didn't mean it.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: KDS on February 04, 2018, 11:35:22 AM
Hey guys, I said "make sure you go only by your preference" in the initial post. You don't have to consider historical importance/sales or anything.

And you see that doesn't mean BB wins every year. Beatles has already won several times.

So it's okay if you voted for BB's or Beatles in any year's poll. That's your opinion and that must be respected.

Don't go bushing each other about each other's preference/opinion.

Thanks, Watsmushi. 

Keep up the good work


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Ram4 on February 04, 2018, 02:33:16 PM
Beatles for me.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Wata on February 05, 2018, 12:07:08 AM
Hey guys, I said "make sure you go only by your preference" in the initial post. You don't have to consider historical importance/sales or anything.

And you see that doesn't mean BB wins every year. Beatles has already won several times.

So it's okay if you voted for BB's or Beatles in any year's poll. That's your opinion and that must be respected.

Don't go bushing each other about each other's preference/opinion.

Thanks, Watsmushi. 

Keep up the good work
My pleasure.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on February 05, 2018, 06:57:45 AM
I choose Beach Boys because IMO Break Away and Time To Get Alone smoke anything else that year. They would smoke even more if the alternates of those two songs were released instead.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: rab2591 on February 05, 2018, 08:54:11 PM
I choose Beach Boys because IMO Break Away and Time To Get Alone smoke anything else that year. They would smoke even more if the alternates of those two songs were released instead.

I always forget just how brilliant of a song ‘Time To Get Alone’ is - the melody, instrumental, those experimental effects with reverb and the beautiful strings. I think I’d have a totally different opinion of 20/20 if all the songs were of this calibre (both in songwriting and in recording).


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 05, 2018, 09:14:22 PM
I choose Beach Boys because IMO Break Away and Time To Get Alone smoke anything else that year. They would smoke even more if the alternates of those two songs were released instead.

I always forget just how brilliant of a song ‘Time To Get Alone’ is - the melody, instrumental, those experimental effects with reverb and the beautiful strings. I think I’d have a totally different opinion of 20/20 if all the songs were of this calibre (both in songwriting and in recording).

Consider if TTGA had come out in 1967. So we're saying Brian was ahead of the game by 2 years if a song cut back in '67, before the kibosh was put on all of that activity by those who will remain unnamed, smoked everything else in '69. I remember some arguing whether that material would have done anything if it came out in '67 or early '68, yet I'm reading and agreeing with the notion that it effectively smokes a lot from when it did come out.

And likewise for fans who actually bought and heard 20/20 in 1969, how "Cabinessence" stuck out and sounded so advanced, so progressive and so innovative musically, then consider the bulk of that was done and in the can by late '66.

Just something to think about.  :)


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: rab2591 on February 06, 2018, 05:32:46 AM
I choose Beach Boys because IMO Break Away and Time To Get Alone smoke anything else that year. They would smoke even more if the alternates of those two songs were released instead.

I always forget just how brilliant of a song ‘Time To Get Alone’ is - the melody, instrumental, those experimental effects with reverb and the beautiful strings. I think I’d have a totally different opinion of 20/20 if all the songs were of this calibre (both in songwriting and in recording).

Consider if TTGA had come out in 1967. So we're saying Brian was ahead of the game by 2 years if a song cut back in '67, before the kibosh was put on all of that activity by those who will remain unnamed, smoked everything else in '69. I remember some arguing whether that material would have done anything if it came out in '67 or early '68, yet I'm reading and agreeing with the notion that it effectively smokes a lot from when it did come out.

And likewise for fans who actually bought and heard 20/20 in 1969, how "Cabinessence" stuck out and sounded so advanced, so progressive and so innovative musically, then consider the bulk of that was done and in the can by late '66.

Just something to think about.  :)

Last night, after writing my above post, I listened to the backing track for TTGA and imo it’s one of the most interesting backing tracks they ever did. From Wikipedia (Priore’s 2nd Smile book):

That’s the only time I really got involved, musically. If you listen to the track, what’s going on is, every time you hit a bop, bop, bop, bop, it’s a different type of keyboard. It’s piano, harpsichord, upright grand, organ. So it has this lopey sound, but I don’t think it was a comfortable sound. And then there’s something that sounds like this big, distorted, smooth guitar sound, and it’s just a little piano played through a blown speaker that I had at my house.

Then I remember Brian calling in the string section. [Brian's sister-in-law] Diane Rovell called them in at the last minute, and some of them still had their tuxedos on. Brian was thoroughly in control of those guys. He said, “I’m gonna make you guys feel better. I think some of you guys might have colds.” Then he had everybody open their mouths and Diane or Marilyn [Wilson] sprayed some kind of a cough medicine. I looked at these guys and I thought, “The power! I could never have the power to do that.” And then he was sitting there, talking to me, while they were doing a take, and he stops and says, “Hold it, Danny. Hey, viola! The second chair … you’re flat on that C.’ He not only heard a bad note; he knew which guy did it. Amazing sense.’
” -Danny Hutton

I have this false impression that Brian stopped doing big production/experimental stuff completely after the collapse of SMiLE but this song is 100% proof he kept right on at it. Makes you wonder, if he had his way with Redwood just where he would have taken his songwriting.


Title: Re: 1969: The Beach Boys vs. The Beatles
Post by: Wata on February 07, 2018, 02:07:02 AM
The result:
The Beach Boys - 10 votes
The Beatles  - 28 votes

The winner is The Beatles.