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Title: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: leafy on October 19, 2017, 06:42:29 AM
Hello,
I did some searching but I did not find a thread for this topic. Apologies if I just missed it.

I'm wondering if anyone knows any details about a 2017 copyright extension release like they did last year with the Graduation Day 1966 release.

With December only a month and change away, maybe some details are out there. thanks


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Rocker on October 19, 2017, 07:10:57 AM
Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they will release the Hawaii '67 shows and probably the road shows of that year without Brian. In 2016 a couple of tracks from Michigan '66 were released on the Pet Sounds box and later both shows were put out as the copyright extension release. This year the Sunshine Tomorrow set had some tracks from above mentioned shows so I guess there's a possibility


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on October 19, 2017, 11:53:08 AM
The "Copyright Extension" sets are great, I'm all for them.

But I do hope BRI continues archival releases outside the very specific "50 year copyright extension" prompt.

Every album should get the "Sunshine Tomorrrow" treatment, and we shouldn't have to wait until 2027 for a "Love You" boxed set.

Or, instead, just a big boxed set of themed outtakes. Brian's demos, etc.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: All Summer Long on October 19, 2017, 04:59:25 PM
Pure speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they will release the Hawaii '67 shows and probably the road shows of that year without Brian. In 2016 a couple of tracks from Michigan '66 were released on the Pet Sounds box and later both shows were put out as the copyright extension release. This year the Sunshine Tomorrow set had some tracks from above mentioned shows so I guess there's a possibility

Haven't they said that those tapes are two damaged and that's why it wasn't used on Sunshine Tomorrow?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt H on November 27, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Any news on this?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on November 27, 2017, 10:07:35 AM
It looks like there's an iffy CD coming from Japan that features one of the Hawaii '67 shows:

https://www.spincds.com/hollywood-bowl-1965-japanese-digpak-cd-54612

(https://media.spincds.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/z/a/zap2_g6377259w.jpg)

The translation of the description is pretty epically bizarre; though there's something compelling about the idea of the BBs titling that album "Raid in Hawaii"  :lol    :

Full appearance of unreleased live board "Raid in Hawaii" here! Completely recorded Hawaiian · Honolulu concert on August 25, 1967! During the abortion of the phantom album "Smile", the tour refused B · Wilson also participates fully! Beginning with super rare "The Letter", a single "hero and bad hit" of those days!

(Translated from Japanese.)


In any event, this sketchy CD from Japan may help motivate Capitol to include the full Hawaii shows as part of this year's "copyright extension" set (if it wasn't already planned). I'm kind of ambivalent about it; those Hawaii shows have been floating around for quite a long time now.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 27, 2017, 12:54:57 PM
It looks like there's an iffy CD coming from Japan that features one of the Hawaii '67 shows:

https://www.spincds.com/hollywood-bowl-1965-japanese-digpak-cd-54612

(https://media.spincds.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/z/a/zap2_g6377259w.jpg)

The translation of the description is pretty epically bizarre; though there's something compelling about the idea of the BBs titling that album "Raid in Hawaii"  :lol    :

Full appearance of unreleased live board "Raid in Hawaii" here! Completely recorded Hawaiian · Honolulu concert on August 25, 1967! During the abortion of the phantom album "Smile", the tour refused B · Wilson also participates fully! Beginning with super rare "The Letter", a single "hero and bad hit" of those days!

(Translated from Japanese.)


In any event, this sketchy CD from Japan may help motivate Capitol to include the full Hawaii shows as part of this year's "copyright extension" set (if it wasn't already planned). I'm kind of ambivalent about it; those Hawaii shows have been floating around for quite a long time now.
"Raid in Hawaii"? Maybe this includes the opening set by Paul Revere and the Raiders? I would buy that!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: joshferrell on November 27, 2017, 07:26:09 PM
I thought that "1967" was that release....


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Lonely Summer on November 27, 2017, 10:29:34 PM
I thought that "1967" was that release....
Me, too.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Gabo on November 27, 2017, 10:41:30 PM
Legally speaking do they actually need to release the full Lei'ed in Hawaii concerts to preserve their copyright? Would just the the released "excerpts" from those shows protect the rest of tape from wntering public domain?



Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 28, 2017, 12:50:54 AM
Legally speaking do they actually need to release the full Lei'ed in Hawaii concerts to preserve their copyright? Would just the the released "excerpts" from those shows protect the rest of tape from wntering public domain?



That was what I was thinking.

Next year is the 50 year anniversary of my personal favorite for many years  (now tied with Wild Honey)  , Friends. Can't wait for next years possible extension releases!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt H on November 28, 2017, 05:53:08 AM
I thought that "1967" was that release....

I thought the same thing about the expanded Party album, but then they released live in Chicago, so I am not so sure.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: branaa09 on November 28, 2017, 06:49:20 AM
We are going to get something before the year is done. According to ESQ magazine and oh Mark Linettt posted in this a while back, after the release of Sunshine Tommorrow. The third reply down.       http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,25561.0.html


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on November 28, 2017, 07:37:11 AM
The "copyright extension" thing is murky, but here's what I remember based on what info has been put out there:

In terms of studio recordings, all that is supposedly needed to protect "all" sessions for a song is for one take/recording to be issued. So any *song* that has already had a release in some form has thus had its entire "session" run protected as far as recordings. This is why tracks like "Thank Him" from "Big Beat 1963" or "Christmas Eve" and "Jingle Bells" on the "Keep an Eye on Summer 1964" were included.

This is of course murky; as I've pointed out before, I'm not sure what would happen if, say, a 1964 demo of "Santa Ana Winds" emerged. 

What we also know, of course, is that especially starting with the 1964 extension set, they've gone well *past* what they technically had to include to protect the recording copyrights in including alternates of songs we've already seen released and in some cases already seen other alternates issued.

I'm not sure what the deal is with live recordings, but I think because each live show/recording is its own event in terms of copyright (as opposed to a studio session tape where all work leading up the "master" is kind of all inclusive of one "project"), it may be that each given live recording has to be issued to protect the copyright of the actual recording.

But I dunno, I'm not sure we're going to see just a glut of 1967 live recordings issued before the end of the year. That is, I think we're likely to see some more studio and live stuff, but are we really going to see a release of all five or six soundboard shows (that we know of) from 1967. Two Hawaii shows, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Boston, and maybe one other?

Will they, conversely, go for some other stuff that isn't already "out there" and has been heard? All of that live '67 stuff has been floating around for many years, and the best of the lot *was* included on "Sunshine Tomorrow."

But I dunno, I could envision a "live" and "studio" copyright extension set, and they *could* fit all those '67 shows on the equivalent of what would be around 3 CDs (it would be digital only of course).


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: bryand on November 28, 2017, 05:33:42 PM
I am wondering if it will be released 12/1, 12/8 or 12/15. My money is on 12/8.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Ram4 on November 29, 2017, 11:09:53 AM
I'm hoping for more Smile, Smiley Smile and Wild Honey sessions.  Maybe more of Smile in stereo as well.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on November 29, 2017, 01:16:33 PM
Durrie acetates.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: yrplace on November 29, 2017, 06:00:49 PM
I am wondering if it will be released 12/1, 12/8 or 12/15. My money is on 12/8.


dig ding ding ding !!!!!!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: B.E. on November 29, 2017, 06:09:25 PM
I am wondering if it will be released 12/1, 12/8 or 12/15. My money is on 12/8.


dig ding ding ding !!!!!!

 :o


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jim V. on November 29, 2017, 08:11:28 PM
I am wondering if it will be released 12/1, 12/8 or 12/15. My money is on 12/8.


dig ding ding ding !!!!!!

Thank you SO MUCH for this news Mr. Linett! And keep up the absolutely amazing work!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 29, 2017, 11:38:33 PM
Wow...


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on November 29, 2017, 11:53:12 PM
Can you get Advent calendars that only go up to the 8th?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on November 30, 2017, 07:45:03 AM
YES! :bw


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: bryand on November 30, 2017, 12:49:28 PM
I am wondering if it will be released 12/1, 12/8 or 12/15. My money is on 12/8.


dig ding ding ding !!!!!!


Yes!!!
Hey Mark, since I guessed right, can I get a sneak peak???  :-D


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Emdeeh on November 30, 2017, 05:10:50 PM
So, will there be a formal announcement in the next few days or will we simply be finding new goodies to buy in our digital provider of choice on the 8th?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: mikeddonn on December 01, 2017, 01:49:11 AM
I am wondering if it will be released 12/1, 12/8 or 12/15. My money is on 12/8.


dig ding ding ding !!!!!!

Mark, any chance you can pull some strings and have it released in the UK this this year, unlike last year's?

Thanks, and keep up the great work.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Zesterz on December 01, 2017, 01:52:22 AM
Aye Mike, still waiting for Live in Michigan. It is both annoying and frustrating for UK not to be allowed to buy this. Even tried to import from USA....not permitted.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: mikeddonn on December 01, 2017, 06:42:31 AM
Aye Mike, still waiting for Live in Michigan. It is both annoying and frustrating for UK not to be allowed to buy this. Even tried to import from USA....not permitted.

It certainly is frustrating.  No wonder people try the unofficial route!  And here we are wanting to give Capitol/UMe our coin.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: yrplace on December 01, 2017, 09:53:38 AM
I have been told it will be available in the UK. The label is also looking into why the 1966 set is not available .


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Zesterz on December 01, 2017, 11:26:43 AM
Thank you very much Mark. It was so disappointing last year not to be able to buy that. Keep up the good work !


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: mikeddonn on December 01, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
I have been told it will be available in the UK. The label is also looking into why the 1966 set is not available .

That's great to hear Mark!  ;D. Thanks again for getting this stuff out.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Lonely Summer on December 01, 2017, 07:31:08 PM
So this will be download only?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Watamushi(Polly Poller) on December 01, 2017, 11:00:48 PM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jim V. on December 01, 2017, 11:04:38 PM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

Now this is some very exciting stuff.

'Specially excited to hear "Good News" though obviously it's apparently not much.

Regardless, awesome to hear what else there was from these albums.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Watamushi(Polly Poller) on December 01, 2017, 11:38:39 PM
It'd be more than great if every album would get the same treatment from now on.

And I'm pretty sure all albums between Friends and Holland would.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jay on December 02, 2017, 01:33:43 AM
 :ahh :ahh :ahh


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on December 02, 2017, 02:15:57 AM
It's impossible to have enough Smiley Smile. A unique and genre defining work of phonography.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Dutchie on December 02, 2017, 08:53:40 AM
We're and when will it be released?  Can't wait...   :woot


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Watamushi(Polly Poller) on December 02, 2017, 08:58:45 AM
We're and when will it be released?  Can't wait...   :woot
12/8, according to the posts above.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 02, 2017, 09:09:59 AM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

Holy cow! Best sequel since Police Academy 4!

But seriously… Stoked.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: acedecade75 on December 03, 2017, 04:56:43 PM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

Holy cow! Best sequel since Police Academy 4!

That's funny!
But seriously… Stoked.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 03, 2017, 05:46:05 PM
Wow....that's incredible


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 04, 2017, 12:22:58 PM
Wow! Well, I know what *I'm* doing on December 8th (assuming I *can* get this set in the UK on that date...!). I'm one of those that cannae get enough Smiley/Honey era studio stuff. I had such a blast listening to the KAEOS set in the run-up to Christmas three years back and am now really looking forward to more of the same this year.

I'm probably seeing complications that aren't there, but does anyone think that this might actually be TWO sets, rather than one 138-track mega-set? One 29-track studio set and the 109-track live doodah separately? (it's hard to tell from the way the ES info is written here).

I have to say, I'm not the hugest fan of Beach Boys live recordings, but I make an exception for this era. So even if it IS two sets, I will still shill. Why yes, I am utterly hooked, thank you for asking...!

If, prior to December 8th, anyone can let slip whether it's one or two sets, that would be super.

Thanks so much to everyone in Beach Boys land and outside it (you know who you are) who continues to make these incredible sets available.

Best wishes,

Matt


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on December 04, 2017, 03:10:12 PM
We're and when will it be released?  Can't wait...   :woot
12/8, according to the posts above.

F*ck man!  That's nearly mid August in the UK. I can't wait that long.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Gabo on December 04, 2017, 03:12:10 PM
December 8, not August 12...


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on December 04, 2017, 03:13:26 PM
December 8, not August 12...

And Gabo falls in the sar-chasm


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Gabo on December 04, 2017, 03:19:31 PM
 :smokin


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 04, 2017, 03:44:23 PM
Quote
I'm probably seeing complications that aren't there, but does anyone think that this might actually be TWO sets, rather than one 138-track mega-set? One 29-track studio set and the 109-track live doodah separately? (it's hard to tell from the way the ES info is written here).

If it's both, I'll buy both. Otherwise, I may only do the studio, not really a live guy


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Gabo on December 04, 2017, 05:09:31 PM
Why no official press release? I want to see what this/these compilation(s) are going to look like... a track list at least.  :-\


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: joshferrell on December 04, 2017, 07:31:41 PM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

109 performances? How many discs is this going to be...lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: The Heartical Don on December 05, 2017, 05:30:28 AM
Why wasn't LAPD informed about this matter earlier? -

the guys in the lab need a bit more detail. People's lives depend on it, you know.

Mr. Linett?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: JK on December 05, 2017, 05:44:41 AM
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

109 performances? How many discs is this going to be...lol

 :lol

Maybe just the one, an Anthem of the Sun-style cut-and-paste job. ;D

Great to see the Don in the house. :=)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Bicyclerider on December 05, 2017, 06:36:08 AM
From Lee's post on PSF:

According to the new winter edition of Endless Summer Quarterly, published today:

Sunshine Tomorrow 2 - 29 additional tracks from the Smiley Smile sessions, the Lei'd in Hawaii Wally Heider Studio sessions, and the Wild Honey sessions, including the unreleased "Good News"
Live Sunshine - 109 performances from 7 shows in 5 states during the 1967 tour

109 performances? How many discs is this going to be...lol

The 7 shows should fit on four discs.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 07, 2017, 03:51:44 AM
(https://pasteboard.co/images/GX63f3y.jpg/download)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt H on December 07, 2017, 04:21:39 AM
Where did you get it from?  I don't see it available for pre-order on iTunes yet.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Watamushi(Polly Poller) on December 07, 2017, 04:26:02 AM
I've just found out Michigan Live, which wasn't released outside of the us last year, now available here in Japan! Congrats, Mr. Linett!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Watamushi(Polly Poller) on December 07, 2017, 04:27:41 AM
Where did you get it from?  I don't see it available for pre-order on iTunes yet.
Only in regions where it is already 12/8 now the sets are available I suppose. 


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Mr Fulton on December 07, 2017, 04:28:33 AM
I live in New Zealand so we are ahead of everyone in the world it’s alreay the 8th here


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: rab2591 on December 07, 2017, 04:56:42 AM
Well I can’t wait for tomorrow then!

I am beyond happy we’re getting something other than another live set this year. The greatest copyright release they did was ‘Keep An Eye On Summer’ and man were we spoiled with that. That being said I’m looking forward to the 109 songs.

@Mr Fulton, are there any tracks that stand out to you so far?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jim V. on December 07, 2017, 06:14:34 AM
Holy crap guys....

That is Dennis' "Tune L" listed right there! I am now even MORE excited!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 07, 2017, 06:31:40 AM
OK, folks, live from New Zealand... Sunshine Tomorrow 2 tracklist:

https://tinyurl.com/BBSunshineT2

...and Live Sunshine tracklist:

https://tinyurl.com/BBLiveSunshine


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: rab2591 on December 07, 2017, 06:38:33 AM
OK, folks, live from New Zealand... Sunshine Tomorrow 2 tracklist:

https://tinyurl.com/BBSunshineT2

...and Live Sunshine tracklist:

https://tinyurl.com/BBLiveSunshine

Thank you for sharing!! This looks incredible! A cappella Little Pad, I can’t wait to hear that.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 07, 2017, 07:13:04 AM
Sunshine tomorrow for USA fans! ;D


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 07, 2017, 07:55:52 AM
Listening through now, so will probably have more to say later. The separation on the a capella mixes is great - as you would expect, these mixes from the master tapes mostly presents literally just the vocals with no backing track bleed, which is a revelation on tracks like the H&V a capella - so for example, on the chorus, you get to hear all the voices completely unobscured by the Baldwin drone, which I don't think I've ever done before. Don't get me wrong, I love the Baldwin, but it's fascinating to hear the vocals so clearly, and a gift to the 'roll yer own' mix crowd.

And of course, some of the tracks have been available in a capella mixes on boots before, but usually either not in stereo or with bleed-through from instrumental backing tracks, or in very poor quality, or in some mixture of all of the above! So, for example, the Here Comes The Night vocals were available a capella on some bootleg CD years ago that I just about recall (don't ask me what it was called, though...), but the quality was awful. No longer - the vocals sound unbelievable here!

Good News is the simple and basic track we knew it probably would be, once we knew in the summer what it actually was. I mean, nice and all to have at last... but it is literally Al and a guitar, singing an occasional line from the off-axis to the mic. But we knew that.

The 'worth it all for this' tracks for me so far are the a capellas: H&V, Little Pad, Here Comes The Night, Let The Wind Blow, all of which are as good as you'd know they'd have to be...! Tune L also absolutely rocks, and even has a cool theremin line in it (plus one of the guitar breaks sounds incredibly like THAT riff from Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit from a mere 23 years later!). No vocals though, sadly. I prefer Dennis's 60s and early 70s stuff to what came later, though, so I was bound to like this. As a long-standing huge fan of the slowly, dreamier Heider studio session rearrangements of some of the songs that were presumably for use on the putative Lei'd In Hawaii album, I'm also LOVING having stereo mixes of more of these recordings at last. We've had God Only Knows from these sessions since the Endless Harmony release nearly 20 years ago, and California Girls as well since MiC came out, but the rest were only on boots of terrible sonic quality or really badly mixed (as on SOT). Now at last, here are 'proper' stereo mixes. It's also great to have another studio recording of Heroes and Villains, even if there are no lead vocals (this is, of course the track that the Mike Love 'nuclear bomb' rant was overdubbed on, as heard on various boots, but here the track is presented without this, er, charming vocal, so it's a stereo organ-heavy Heider backing track and group backing vocals, which is interesting... like a properly 'Smiley-ised' studio version of H&V, not the one on the album salvaged from the SMiLE recordings). I also don't recall hearing the Heider version of Surfin' before, which sounds like a *proper* surf garage band, with cool fuzz-tone guitar, trashcan drums and of course the piping 'Do It Again' organ line. If it weren't for the lack of vocals, I think I'd prefer this to the original single!

I wasn't sure what the Aren't You Glad 'single' stereo mix was for (as surely this never was a single, much less a stereo one, back in the day)... but then I noticed that the mix recreates some of the backing track mutes that were on the original 1967 mono mix, which the Sunshine Tomorrow stereo mix this past summer did not. So I don't know, perhaps they took the opportunity presented by this set to have another go at the stereo mix and get it closer to the mono...?

The Can't Wait Too Long mix is basically another, slightly different mix of the same section of the song we heard in the ST set in the summer, with that strange tag (with a completely different rhythm) that we previously heard at the end of the very first 'official' mix of CWTL that came out, on the 1990 SS/WH twofer. Prominent organ, with snare hits and a Fender bass wandering up and down the scale. You know the one I mean. No great revelations here.

Oh yeah, and the 1967 Time To Get Along backing in full quality! Yay!

Other than that, the Smiley and Wild Honey session tracks are interesting for track scholars, as you hear the backing track for part of the song, the backing vocal parts for others, and usually everything all together (minus lead vocals, of course) by the end. This may frustrate those who like to do their own mixes, as you don't quite ever get complete isolated backing vocals for complete tracks nor completely unoverdubbed backing tracks all the way through any of the tracks. But perhaps that was partly the point...! It's still a fascinating listen.

I haven't got through the live set yet. I'm not usually that into live discs where the Beach Boys are concerned. But the Hawaii rehearsals hooked me in to listening to it. So far, what I don't get is how great the Boys sound in some of the pre-show rehearsals compared to some of the really ropey performances they gave during the actual Hawaii concerts...!

And they ran through Whistle In in rehearsal... but then didn't play it at the shows? What WAS going on with this band at the time...? Brian does sound pretty snippy on a couple of the rehearsal tracks I've heard so far, too... worried about a sheet of paper which has gone missing on which he'd written all the Baldwin stop settings for the different songs, and cuttingly asking Carl if the band are just going to keep noodling on their instruments when they're all supposed to be rehearsing. I guess it *was* his first live show in quite a while...!

More on this stuff later...



Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on December 07, 2017, 08:49:04 AM
Is this only going to be on iTunes?



Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on December 07, 2017, 09:02:24 AM
Who knows? Some of the previous collections ended up in FLAC on Qobuz, too. But I think not all of 'em...!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on December 07, 2017, 10:21:29 AM
I think many if not most/all of these copyright extension sets are on Amazon to download as well.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: pdas1996 on December 07, 2017, 10:54:29 AM
I think many if not most/all of these copyright extension sets are on Amazon to download as well.

I just started their Music Unlimited program so that way I can listen to it tomorrow. They're running a special right now... 3 months for 99 cents.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: The Heartical Don on December 07, 2017, 11:53:33 AM
Will there be no physical release then?

 :'(

I'm not on iTunes, and don't plan to become a member either. What must*) I do?

*) doing nothing is not an option, not even busily so.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on December 07, 2017, 12:52:42 PM
Will there be no physical release then?

 :'(

I'm not on iTunes, and don't plan to become a member either. What must*) I do?

*) doing nothing is not an option, not even busily so.

There hasn't been a physical release of any of the end-of-year "Copyright Extension" releases since they began in 2013 (unless one counts the "Party" 2-CD set from 2015).

There are numerous options to purchase digital downloads. Amazon is perhaps the most mainstream and easy. HDTracks is another. I believe there are several others.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: The Heartical Don on December 07, 2017, 01:38:46 PM
Will there be no physical release then?

 :'(

I'm not on iTunes, and don't plan to become a member either. What must*) I do?

*) doing nothing is not an option, not even busily so.

There hasn't been a physical release of any of the end-of-year "Copyright Extension" releases since they began in 2013 (unless one counts the "Party" 2-CD set from 2015).

There are numerous options to purchase digital downloads. Amazon is perhaps the most mainstream and easy. HDTracks is another. I believe there are several others.

Thank you! Light at the end of the tunnel, then, and not the light of the proverbial oncoming train... time for action!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: STE on December 07, 2017, 02:32:44 PM


It's on Spotify (Europe)!

There goes my night!



Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: beatle608 on December 07, 2017, 04:44:21 PM
Holy crap guys....

That is Dennis' "Tune L" listed right there! I am now even MORE excited!

What is this track? It sounds very un-Beach Boys and more Beatles/Pepper.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: rab2591 on December 07, 2017, 08:36:07 PM
On Apple Music on the East Coast. A cappella ‘Heroes’ sounds flippin amazing. Can’t wait to hear the rest!

Edit:

- ‘With Me Tonight’ session highlights is one of the most beautiful tracks these guys have ever officially released.

- the end of ‘Wind Chimes’ backing vocals - indescribable how beautiful it is.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: astroray on December 07, 2017, 08:58:46 PM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: petsite on December 07, 2017, 09:28:22 PM
Is there going to be a hi-res release? I see it all over right now but not on any of the hi-res sites.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Ram4 on December 07, 2017, 11:05:29 PM
Both Hawaii shows plus rehearsals!  I was never a big fan of them, but always intrigued by these shows.  The rehearsals could be better than the shows.  After all these years, BAM!  We get the Lei'd in Hawaii "studio live album" in June and then all of the live Hawaii stuff too.  Unprecedented.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: pdas1996 on December 07, 2017, 11:49:45 PM
YouTube Auto Playlists:

1967 - Live Sunshine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQ7Rcl2MoI&list=PLwFsDzPVxD-xxDJD8-ugIbE04jH44SYI2

1967 - Sunshine Tomorrow 2: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPnpP76zf9UVklZyk2kgGqgFjeiyq8dXs


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Mitchell on December 08, 2017, 04:51:03 AM
- the end of ‘Wind Chimes’ backing vocals - indescribable how beautiful it is.

Had to post to say something about this. Beautiful indeed.

Once again, thanks to all those involved in putting these special releases together!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 08, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
Is there going to be a hi-res release? I see it all over right now but not on any of the hi-res sites.

TIDAL has it in FLAC, but I’m going to wait for other sites to offer it. $25.19 for Sunshine Tomorrow 2, $91.79 for Live Sunshine  :o


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Rich E P on December 08, 2017, 09:20:49 AM
Are the prices the same in each country for this?  Just curious.  In Canada it is $15 for the Sunshine Tomorrow and $55 for Live Sunshine.  Can't complain as it is an embarrassment of riches.  Just wanted to also add my thanks to those involved.  So wonderful to hear all of this material.  This will be my favourite Christmas gift.  The vocals only stuff just reduces me to jello in the best way possible.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 08, 2017, 09:26:48 AM
Are the prices the same in each country for this?  Just curious.

The “standard rez” prices in the US are $14.99 for Sunshine Tomorrow 2 and $54.99 for Live Sunshine (on iTunes at least). The prices that I mentioned before were for the high-resolution version TIDAL is selling.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on December 08, 2017, 09:30:41 AM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


 :lol :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Rich E P on December 08, 2017, 09:30:46 AM
Thanks Big Daddy!  I only ask as there was that one year where there was a huge variation in pricing in the Beatles and Beach Boys copy write extension sets and then the price was changed and I was just curious how standardized the prices were.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 08, 2017, 10:22:35 AM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


 :lol :lol :lol :lol

The choice being similar to this:

(http://cdn.steelehillresorts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thanksgiving_dinner_new_hampshire.jpg?9d7bd4)

Versus this:

(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_a357fbde-f4bc-42d4-aa21-18fab129f124.JPG)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: rab2591 on December 08, 2017, 10:30:48 AM
:lol :lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 08, 2017, 10:33:36 AM
Just started digging into this set.

It is SO, SO awesome.

Thank you Mark Linett and the powers that be who enabled this set to see the light of day. Historically very significant, and an absolute joy to hear. We are VERY lucky.

Interesting that the more one pulls back the layers of the stems of Smiley Smile, the more in parts it seems to be to be the psychedelic successor to the Beach Boys Party! album. Especially on the stripped down version of She's Going Bald, due to the bongos and sparse instrumentation.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: rab2591 on December 08, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
Just started digging into this set.

It is SO, SO awesome.

Thank you Mark Linett and the powers that be who enabled this set to see the light of day. Historically very significant, and an absolute joy to hear. We are VERY lucky.

Interesting that the more one pulls back the layers of the stems of Smiley Smile, the more in parts it seems to be to be the psychedelic successor to the Beach Boys Party! album. Especially on the stripped down version of She's Going Bald, due to the bongos and sparse instrumentation.

Another thing I realize as I listen to this (and the 2012 stereo version made this somewhat clear too) is how beautiful the Smiley Smile songs are. The original mix is muddy as hell, and nothing is clear...it just sounds like a mess, and though I liked many of the songs I never really listened to them because of their mix.

But you're right, the more you peal back the layers on these latest sets you realize what all is there. This is some of the most tender singing they ever did. And yeah, I always kinda thought the stripped down Smile was kinda like a mirror of Party in a way...which makes me wish Brian did more of a Pet Sounds approach to the Wild Honey material (following up the more sparse album with a big production album).


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on December 08, 2017, 11:01:57 AM
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall that some if not most of the live '67 shows outside of the Hawaii gigs were captured as live house mixes, and not on multi-track.

High-rez version can only sound better, but I would imagine unlike the studio stuff, that live stuff not freshly mixed from multitracks won't sound mind-bogglingly better in high-rez.

Still haven't been able to fully dig into this stuff yet, but the "Sunshine Tomorrow 2" set is majorly impressive. The vocals-only mix and other stripped down mixes are revelatory. Just like the other stuff on the first "Sunshine Tomorrow" set, all kinds of interesting things previously difficult to discern.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on December 08, 2017, 11:04:40 AM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


 :lol :lol :lol :lol

The choice being similar to this:

(http://cdn.steelehillresorts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thanksgiving_dinner_new_hampshire.jpg?9d7bd4)

Versus this:

(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_a357fbde-f4bc-42d4-aa21-18fab129f124.JPG)

Ironically, even that Hungry Man is just a modern-day remake of the originals!

(http://www.cooksinfo.com/edible.nsf/images/tv-dinners/$file/tv-dinner-1954-large.jpg)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: marcella27 on December 08, 2017, 11:23:07 AM
Sorry if this has been posted before (I read most of the thread but might have missed something).  Will this ever be released in CD format?  And if not, does anyone know if you can copy it onto a blank CD or is it protected?  I don't want to make copies for friends or anything, I just still like to have actual CDs that I can play on my stereo.  I am technologically impaired.

And THANK YOU to the people who got this to happen.   


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on December 08, 2017, 11:25:46 AM
Sorry if this has been posted before (I read most of the thread but might have missed something).  Will this ever be released in CD format?  And if not, does anyone know if you can copy it onto a blank CD or is it protected?  I don't want to make copies for friends or anything, I just still like to have actual CDs that I can play on my stereo.  I am technologically impaired.

And THANK YOU to the people who got this to happen.   

It's digital-only, as most of the "Copyright Extension" sets since 2013 have been.

You can take the downloaded tracks and burn a CD, yes. You can do that in iTunes, and surely many other programs as well. Having you own backup physical copy makes total sense.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jim V. on December 08, 2017, 12:25:22 PM
So what's everybody think about "Tune L"? I personally was pretty impressed. A nice little rocker from Dennis that honestly sounds like it woulda fit in with the early '70s in my opinion.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: marcella27 on December 08, 2017, 12:47:14 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before (I read most of the thread but might have missed something).  Will this ever be released in CD format?  And if not, does anyone know if you can copy it onto a blank CD or is it protected?  I don't want to make copies for friends or anything, I just still like to have actual CDs that I can play on my stereo.  I am technologically impaired.

And THANK YOU to the people who got this to happen.   

It's digital-only, as most of the "Copyright Extension" sets since 2013 have been.

You can take the downloaded tracks and burn a CD, yes. You can do that in iTunes, and surely many other programs as well. Having you own backup physical copy makes total sense.

Thanks, HeyJude.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 08, 2017, 12:58:16 PM
GF!!!!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 08, 2017, 02:07:42 PM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


 :lol :lol :lol :lol

The choice being similar to this:

(http://cdn.steelehillresorts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thanksgiving_dinner_new_hampshire.jpg?9d7bd4)

Versus this:

(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_a357fbde-f4bc-42d4-aa21-18fab129f124.JPG)

Oh dear God :lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 08, 2017, 02:11:23 PM
Can we have a righteous bald dude review of the hungry man (of BBs products)?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 08, 2017, 02:38:16 PM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


 :lol :lol :lol :lol

The choice being similar to this:

(http://cdn.steelehillresorts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thanksgiving_dinner_new_hampshire.jpg?9d7bd4)

Versus this:

(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_a357fbde-f4bc-42d4-aa21-18fab129f124.JPG)

Oh dear God :lol

I'd have chosen the 99 cent Banquet brand frozen meals for the analogy, but basically spot on.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 08, 2017, 03:10:19 PM
Is there going to be a hi-res release? I see it all over right now but not on any of the hi-res sites.

TIDAL has it in FLAC, but I’m going to wait for other sites to offer it. $25.19 for Sunshine Tomorrow 2, $91.79 for Live Sunshine  :o

us.7digital.com now has the releases in 16-bit/44.1kHz FLAC at the more budget-friendly prices of $20.49 and $73.99 FYI.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 08, 2017, 04:11:23 PM
Hawaii live tracks aren’t as bad as I remember them! :bw


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on December 08, 2017, 04:30:33 PM
A wonderful Holiday gift for the fans!

Mini review from Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-unearth-rare-studio-live-tracks-w513652


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on December 08, 2017, 06:35:18 PM
Hope this doesn't hinder the sells of "Unleash The Love"!


 :lol :lol :lol :lol

The choice being similar to this:

(http://cdn.steelehillresorts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/thanksgiving_dinner_new_hampshire.jpg?9d7bd4)

Versus this:

(https://d2lnr5mha7bycj.cloudfront.net/product-image/file/large_a357fbde-f4bc-42d4-aa21-18fab129f124.JPG)
LMAO!!   :lol :lol :lol :lol :woot :woot :woot :woot


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Emdeeh on December 08, 2017, 06:57:07 PM
Downloaded this morning, nowhere near getting thru all of it, but I am very happy to have these collections. Thanks to Mark and Alan for making this project happen!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 08, 2017, 08:01:10 PM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: B.E. on December 08, 2017, 08:09:10 PM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 08, 2017, 08:24:14 PM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on December 09, 2017, 06:49:41 AM
So cool to hear the run throughs of "Whistle In" and "Lord's Prayer" in the Hawaii rehearsals! Although not much there vocally on the latter, it's awesome to hear Brian recalling the arrangement in it's entirety as indicated by the organ run through.

Also fascinating to hear a still very-Pet Soundsy-sounding Brian take a stab at the lead on "Wouldn't It Be Nice", only to give up a few lines in.

Wonder why no one interjected with a "f*ck that Brian, you gotta sing it! you sound great!".


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 09, 2017, 07:22:13 AM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! 8)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 09, 2017, 08:42:20 AM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! 8)

Yeah pretty much


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Seagull Merlin on December 09, 2017, 09:06:11 AM
I'm loving the sets! One question if anyone may know the answer, why is the acapella for little pad starting on the hawaiian song section and the "sure would like to have a little pad" part?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: All Summer Long on December 09, 2017, 02:27:22 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before (I read most of the thread but might have missed something).  Will this ever be released in CD format?  And if not, does anyone know if you can copy it onto a blank CD or is it protected?  I don't want to make copies for friends or anything, I just still like to have actual CDs that I can play on my stereo.  I am technologically impaired.

And THANK YOU to the people who got this to happen.   

It's digital-only, as most of the "Copyright Extension" sets since 2013 have been.

You can take the downloaded tracks and burn a CD, yes. You can do that in iTunes, and surely many other programs as well. Having you own backup physical copy makes total sense.

Hey Jude or anyone else, is there any way to burn a disc from Spotify Premium or Amazon's music library?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 09, 2017, 05:54:16 PM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! 8)

Yeah pretty much
Funny how AGD's every "theory: about the BBs has been proven wrong with these releases.... ::)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: rab2591 on December 09, 2017, 06:49:59 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before (I read most of the thread but might have missed something).  Will this ever be released in CD format?  And if not, does anyone know if you can copy it onto a blank CD or is it protected?  I don't want to make copies for friends or anything, I just still like to have actual CDs that I can play on my stereo.  I am technologically impaired.

And THANK YOU to the people who got this to happen.   

It's digital-only, as most of the "Copyright Extension" sets since 2013 have been.

You can take the downloaded tracks and burn a CD, yes. You can do that in iTunes, and surely many other programs as well. Having you own backup physical copy makes total sense.

Hey Jude or anyone else, is there any way to burn a disc from Spotify Premium or Amazon's music library?

If by Amazon’s music library you mean streaming service I don’t think you can (and neither from any streaming service like Apple Music or Spotify). If you do want to make a CD copy it’d probably be worth it to buy the album from iTunes or Amazon digital downloading service.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jim V. on December 09, 2017, 10:29:40 PM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! 8)

Yeah pretty much
Funny how AGD's every "theory: about the BBs has been proven wrong with these releases.... ::)

You gotta explain this one to me...


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: jamesellaby on December 10, 2017, 02:32:49 AM
Is there anywhere you can buy Live Sunshine in the UK apart from iTunes? I was happy to do it from there, but not when you have to buy each track separately for £0.99 each! Price aside, it would take hours!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 10, 2017, 07:32:32 AM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! 8)

Yeah pretty much
Funny how AGD's every "theory: about the BBs has been proven wrong with these releases.... ::)

You gotta explain this one to me...
Just BW not running the band after SMiLE and Carl being in charge. Plus the Hawaiian shows being total disasters instead of merely being a bit off....


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: “Big Daddy” on December 10, 2017, 10:18:55 AM
I’m fascinated by the organ riff that leads into the recording of the “Gettin’ Hungry” track. Thankful we get to hear little things like this.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on December 10, 2017, 10:26:22 AM
The version of Barbara Ann here is freaking awesome...sounds like something from the White Album

Yeah! My first thought was, "they could have had ANOTHER hit with this!" :lol
I was thinking "no way can this be 1967...someone spliced something in from 1977" the first two times I heard it :lol
The prototype for Love You was in 1967! 8)

Yeah pretty much
Funny how AGD's every "theory: about the BBs has been proven wrong with these releases.... ::)

You gotta explain this one to me...
Just BW not running the band after SMiLE and Carl being in charge. Plus the Hawaiian shows being total disasters instead of merely being a bit off....

Just a little thing called having ears can tell you that Brian was in charge till Friends.  I was suprised it was a revelation to anyone.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Competition Clutch on December 10, 2017, 11:46:28 AM
Any thoughts on why the boys can't make it through many of the live songs without giggling at the lyrics or the songs?  Particularly the author of many of the lyrics.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Don Malcolm on December 10, 2017, 09:40:53 PM
I think it was that wacky tabacky...  :hat


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Jay on December 10, 2017, 10:34:53 PM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 11, 2017, 09:35:14 AM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

This has always frustrated me too. I wonder how common this was for groups of that particular era.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Competition Clutch on December 11, 2017, 11:01:54 AM
I wonder if the banter of the Beatles' movies of the '60s, the legacy of the Jan & Dean approach, and the popularity of The Monkees TV show pushed them in this direction and the humor was the contemporary version of hip.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Aomdiddlywalla on December 11, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
YouTube Auto Playlists:

1967 - Live Sunshine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQ7Rcl2MoI&list=PLwFsDzPVxD-xxDJD8-ugIbE04jH44SYI2

1967 - Sunshine Tomorrow 2: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPnpP76zf9UVklZyk2kgGqgFjeiyq8dXs
This video is not available.....😥


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 11, 2017, 12:37:00 PM
I just had a super odd flash of what it would be like to hear the Surfin' '92 version performed live in the Lei'd in Hawaii arrangement.  

Or for that matter, the entire Summer in Paradise album done in the Lei'd in Hawaii arrangement.  

I need some fresh air.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Gabo on December 11, 2017, 12:39:16 PM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

I personally find most of their 60s live work unlistenable.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on December 11, 2017, 12:40:18 PM
They lost a step when BW left the road....


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 11, 2017, 01:33:03 PM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

YES! Used to drive me nuts, in regards to the dialog...made the band appear cheesy which they weren't. Mike was bad at this, but Bruce circa 1970 was too (in one boot, you can hear some members of the audience say derogatory things at the stage while he is speaking because of this)


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on December 11, 2017, 01:45:09 PM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

YES! Used to drive me nuts, in regards to the dialog...made the band appear cheesy which they weren't. Mike was bad at this, but Bruce circa 1970 was too (in one boot, you can hear some members of the audience say derogatory things at the stage while he is speaking because of this)

I wonder if it was originally based out of lack of full self-confidence by Mike in the early years, and this just rubbed off on guys like Bruce around this time that the band would have more reason to be less confident, being their then lack of popularity.  The goofiness and hokey banter just feels like misguided overcompensation or something.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Pet Sounder on December 13, 2017, 09:22:52 AM
Mark and Alan - thank you so much for helping get these releases out!  I can't enough of backing tracks, sessions and vocal tracks.  This was a much appreciated Christmas gift!


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 14, 2017, 02:01:11 PM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

YES! Used to drive me nuts, in regards to the dialog...made the band appear cheesy which they weren't. Mike was bad at this, but Bruce circa 1970 was too (in one boot, you can hear some members of the audience say derogatory things at the stage while he is speaking because of this)

I wonder if it was originally based out of lack of full self-confidence by Mike in the early years, and this just rubbed off on guys like Bruce around this time that the band would have more reason to be less confident, being their then lack of popularity.  The goofiness and hokey banter just feels like misguided overcompensation or something.

Possibly.  Bruce's problem was that he'd ramble "on and on and on" like he was a track from Looking Back with Love. One boot I heard, he was droning on aND somebody yelled out "Tears in the morning,  ya jerk" or something like that


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Seagull Merlin on December 16, 2017, 07:37:39 AM
I can't stop listening to the outttake of good news, I just wish Al's voice was a bit louder on it!! I've tried to isolate it and to bring it up but have had no luck. Anyone else tried this yet?


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: c-man on December 16, 2017, 07:50:22 AM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

YES! Used to drive me nuts, in regards to the dialog...made the band appear cheesy which they weren't. Mike was bad at this, but Bruce circa 1970 was too (in one boot, you can hear some members of the audience say derogatory things at the stage while he is speaking because of this)

I wonder if it was originally based out of lack of full self-confidence by Mike in the early years, and this just rubbed off on guys like Bruce around this time that the band would have more reason to be less confident, being their then lack of popularity.  The goofiness and hokey banter just feels like misguided overcompensation or something.

Possibly.  Bruce's problem was that he'd ramble "on and on and on" like he was a track from Looking Back with Love. One boot I heard, he was droning on aND somebody yelled out "Tears in the morning,  ya jerk" or something like that

I recall it as "Tears in the morning, BRUCE". I believe it was the November '71 show at Princeton.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on December 16, 2017, 12:36:06 PM
I love the stripped-down California Girls. Mike's vocal is lovely, so relaxed and intimate. Almost sounds like a missing link between CG and Big Sur.



Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: HeyJude on December 18, 2017, 09:19:41 AM
The Beach Boys occasionally can be heard on recordings defending each other and/or themselves against impatient audience members.

You can just *feel* the audience getting restless during Bruce's performance of "Your Song" on the Fillmore East '71 recording. Bad pick for that particular gig, that's for sure. "Hey, we're gonna do only about a dozen songs on the bill with the Grateful Dead! Let's have Bruce do a solo rendition of "Your Song!"

I think there's another show from the 70s where Mike tries to relatively politely let the audience know that they're going to do the "old stuff" too but to give them a break while they do newer stuff.

I think it's the Nassau Coliseum '79 recording where evidently someone was screaming out for "409" (which hadn't been in the setlist in quite a long time), and Mike leads the band into a quick bit of the song, then stops and Mike says something like "there, now shut up!" half-jokingly. Ironically, within a few years the song actually *was* put back into the setlist.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: The_Beach on December 21, 2017, 08:57:57 AM
These two new compilations are awesome! I want to thank everyone that put them together! Your work is great. Thank you for giving this gift to the collectors! Love getting to finally hear Good News even if it is not much!

Does anyone have any backing info on Tune L it is really good almost has a sound like Jimmy Hendrix.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ohthosegirls on December 21, 2017, 03:28:53 PM
Tune L sounds like an early "California Slide" to me. But that just might be Dennis Wilson's style. Some people on YT are saying it sounds like Sgt Peppers intro.


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on December 21, 2017, 03:55:24 PM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

YES! Used to drive me nuts, in regards to the dialog...made the band appear cheesy which they weren't. Mike was bad at this, but Bruce circa 1970 was too (in one boot, you can hear some members of the audience say derogatory things at the stage while he is speaking because of this)

I wonder if it was originally based out of lack of full self-confidence by Mike in the early years, and this just rubbed off on guys like Bruce around this time that the band would have more reason to be less confident, being their then lack of popularity.  The goofiness and hokey banter just feels like misguided overcompensation or something.

Possibly.  Bruce's problem was that he'd ramble "on and on and on" like he was a track from Looking Back with Love. One boot I heard, he was droning on aND somebody yelled out "Tears in the morning,  ya jerk" or something like that

I recall it as "Tears in the morning, BRUCE". I believe it was the November '71 show at Princeton.

I'll have to relisten but I remember a discussion about this on the old wheeler board. Hadn't hear this particular clip in many years;tape is somewhere in storage.  The fan sounded annoyed/drunk,  I do remember that much


Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Justin on February 22, 2018, 10:59:17 AM
One thing that has always bugged me is the fact that the group didn't seem to take their concert performances seriously in the 60's. Sure, they had some great moments. and were a great live group when they wanted to be. But if you listen to the "A Vocal Element" bootleg, somebody is always laughing or making a joke, or even talking during a song. It seems like they didn't really become a serious concert act until Blondie and Ricky joined the group.

That's the thing that stood out to me too while listening to this set.  Each performance is littered with at least one member goofing around and throwing off the performance.  Listening to the recordings now it is as if the band had no qualms if the audience heard them at all.  I can see this behavior making sense with The Beatles because the room was filled with one continuous roar of screams thereby drowning out the music completely---but here?  The crowd at the BB shows are for the most part (save the one or two weird 'screams" here and there) are quiet and attentive.  Was this just the band's awkward way of handling being nervous on stage by making it all one big joke? 

On the flip side of all this, I found the live recordings to be quiet an eye opener.  Fascinating to hear them translate these intricate compositions down to a 5-6 piece arrangement.  Their garage band roots coming through very well.  Pretty much each performance of "Graduation Day" is a good listen.  It seemed like the only song they kind of respected in the set.  By the way, who played the rhythm guitar on that?  Carl or Al?  I'd say Carl...?   Also on a few performances, there was nice tickling of the ivories by Daryl Dragon, I think?

Funny to listen to the various performances of "Barbara Ann" as well.  The bit "tried Mary Lou...tried Al Jardine" had apparently run its course by the end of the tour.  It got a big guffaw early on but by the end I think you can clearly hear Al say "Aw, come on!" after Mike does it again. 



Title: Re: 2017 copyright extension release details?
Post by: Gettin Hungry on February 22, 2018, 12:23:41 PM
I found myself listening and thinking, "Just shut up and play already!" Several, several times. I can't imagine how I would have felt if I were actually in the audience for one of these shows. You can see why Lei'd in Hawaii was abandoned, because a lot of the goofing off can't even be edited out to come up with solid performance.