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Title: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Dutchie on October 08, 2017, 11:34:47 PM
I never understand why everybody is so negative about ML. I never met him. I only saw him once performing live and he is a good showman and average singer for his age. I read his book but can i say i know ML? So does any ML basher knows him personal to get a good view of the man or do we all believe thats been written in the media? ...i like to hear the person who knows him personally and let us know how the man really is.

I love all beach boys songs and even the solo once. I cant wait to hear ML new solo release. And to be honest...i dont care how the front looks like, i never watch it when listning to the music :-)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: SurferDownUnder on October 09, 2017, 12:22:55 AM
Really dude? This has to be the most bought up issue on this entire forum, literally look up "Why do you hate Mike Love" its a previous thread. We don't really need to re-hash this every time someone asks this question... I'm not trying to poo-poo your question but seriously...


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: thorgil on October 09, 2017, 03:50:17 AM
There is no giant worldwide conspiracy against Mike. The problem is that his worst enemies are:
1) Himself.
2) His fans.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: rab2591 on October 09, 2017, 04:40:11 AM
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,22399.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,22399.0.html)

Brian knows him personally, as does Melinda Wilson. They were both sued by Mike (Brian repeatedly), most recently in 2005 in which Mike claimed that Brian (from 1967 to decades onward) did nothing but take drugs and collect royalty checks and did nothing to contribute to the band (which is entirely false - Brian worked on hits and albums all throughout this time).

My response to the thread with nearly the same name as this:

Hate is too strong a word. Dislike is probably the better word. These are my reasons (many have already been discussed here, but if you're writing an article one more opinion may help):

Overall, I feel like there’s a general atmosphere of sleaziness that wafts from the Mike Love side of things. The tactless tabloid interview answers, the constant passive-aggressive comments about his cousin, his “we all need love and harmony in our lives" then he'll say “Brian is controlled and on prescription meds it used to be illegal street drugs blah blah”. When asked what is his greatest regret in life he talks about the faults of others. He constantly brings up Brian's past drug use - just last week Mike was asked about the disbanding of the Beach Boys after the C50 and his reply started with a statement about Brian's past drug use. He says he has so much respect for Brian's musical abilities but didn't take two minutes and 54 seconds of his life to listen to 'The Right Time' when he was asked to give his opinion about it (I should add that I believe this was an email exchange 'interview' so it's not like he was pressed for time). His complete lack of humility all while preaching how humility is the greatest trait to have is annoying (btw did you know Kokomo became a number 1 hit and that Brian had nothing to do with it?). I know we all have our shortcomings, but if you parade your supposed moral principles for the world to see expect backlash when your actions don’t quite add up to your mantra. In the past I've tried to keep an open mind about Mike. After my naive years of solely blaming him for the Smile collapse I actually defended him a few times on this very board. But the last few years of these interviews, as well as other things, have left me with a rather dour opinion of the man. And he has done absolutely nothing to change that opinion. No Mike, not even dropping a bunch of articles/interviews in one day that proclaim your love for your cousin will change the years of recorded tactless statements that you’ve made about him.

Also, I don’t need to know someone personally to dislike them. There are plenty of preachers and politicians who I find repulsive solely based on how they present themselves in the public spotlight. It’s a ridiculous notion that I need to know people personally to make such an opinion about them.

All of that being said, without him The Beach Boys probably wouldn’t exist…and all of us owe a huge thanks to him because of that. He helped craft some of my favorite tunes, and frankly I enjoy “I Know There’s An Answer” far, far more than “Hang On To Your Ego” so even his more critical outlook on Brian’s ‘60s art isn’t a real problem with me. If he didn't make such tactless comments in media outlets my opinion would possibly be very different.

*edit: wanted to add that the guy who asked the question which I answered with the quote above never ended up putting the rational arguments against Mike Love into his article. Anyone who spent time writing rational reasons for disliking Mike in that thread got ignored. This is also a HUGE reason why there is a lot of anti-Mike sentiment here and elsewhere: his fans are insufferable (as thorgil pointed out above). I don’t think anyone was surprised when Iain Lee ignored the logical reasons for the Mike Love hate - on the contrary it’s what we have come to expect from the ML apologists.

As someone pointed out above, there are many topics on this already...search around. I implore you to do your own research if you’re really interested in this topic. Many fans who have met him have nothing but nice things to say about him. Many who have worked with him will tell you he’s an asshole. Many who have just been around him think he’s a prick...I mean, when Bob Dylan makes a joke about your jackass behavior you know you’ve f***ed up.

Anyways, don’t take my or anyone else’s word for it. Read his interviews, scan over the lawsuits, watch the documentaries, read about his charitable donations, his interaction with fans. Come to your own logical conclusion about the man.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2017, 05:04:15 AM
It’s a trap... 8)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2017, 06:10:14 AM
Iain Lee also threatened the board.... ::)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: HeyJude on October 09, 2017, 08:02:25 AM
I never understand why everybody is so negative about ML. I never met him. I only saw him once performing live and he is a good showman and average singer for his age. I read his book but can i say i know ML. So does any ML hater/ basher knows him personal to get a good view of the man or do we all believe thats been written in the media? ...i like to hear the person who knows him petsonally and let us know how the man really is.

I love all beach boys songs and even the solo once. I cant wait to hear ML new solo release. And to be honest...i dont care how the front looks like, i never watch it when listning to the music :-)

I agree with others, you should simply do a search and read the myriad of threads covering this topic. You'll learn some potential answers to the questions you're (hopefully innocently) asking, and you'll also discover that this topic often quickly becomes inflammatory and turns into a whole ordeal. You'll also discover how folks could easily view starting a seemingly "innocent" topic like this as a sort of troll move. I'm not saying you're trying to do this, and I'm actually especially loathe to jump on a newer member/lighter poster and tell them to read through thousands of posts before raising a topic. I don't think someone should be expected to read hundreds of threads before bringing a topic up. But the "why do fans dislike Mike" sort of discussions are easy to search for and I would recommend simply doing that.

I would also say, whether justifiably or not, people might be more likely to think it's a bit troll-ish to start a thread on this topic when you've been a member of this board for almost 12 years as you have. It's like starting a "David Lee Roth vs. Sammy Hagar" thread in a decade-old Van Halen forum, or starting a "Who's Cooler: Kirk or Picard?" in a Star Trek forum.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 09, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
Addressing the original post and topic - Using the word "hate" in this context is opening up a can o' worms that has been opened many times before, and it's also assigning an assumption on people who voice negative opinions on something Mike does/doesn't do or say or whatever else that is a bit unfair. I'm speaking for myself but guessing a lot of fans feel this way too: It's not hate because I have gotten a lot of musical enjoyment from what Mike added to the BB's through the years. But I do strongly disagree with a lot of what he has said and done in that same time frame, and I don't think it's fair to charge me or anyone similar with being full of hate for the man because I/we disagree with the actions.

Keep in mind too that it's been tried (and failed every time) to tag this community of fans as the main source if not the origin of all the "hate", which is completely bogus if you take a look at any other media outlet reporting on anything Mike Love related and browsing the reader comments from the past several decades.

I'd also bring up the interesting aspect of why so many of the various board members who have histories of launching vendettas and personal attacks on other posters on this and numerous other BB related communities of fans seem to gravitate toward or even rally around the notion of either defending or trying to boost the legacy of Mike. Maybe there is no relationship at all, but it's suspicious and conspicuous how many of the same posters who have been kicked off or banned (or had threads/discussions deleted) across multiple fan forums seem to rally around defending Mike and end up resorting to personal insults, attacks, and outright lies in the name of that pursuit. It just struck me again as yet another dust-up happened on the Hoffman forum to name one, and the discussions ended up getting deleted by the admins over there...and the discussions centered around Mike's latest project with posts from some of the same names who have triggered deletions and bans in the past around similar topics. Connect the dots?


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on October 09, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
If you give a roomful of monkeys internet access eventuallly they'll come up with the same thread title.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: blueeyedtreefrog on October 09, 2017, 09:30:12 AM
I am actually new to this forum, but from being a fan and reading a few things over the years I was very aware that Mike Love is not the most liked person in the band.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: NateRuvin on October 09, 2017, 11:32:10 AM
I am a huge fan of Mike Love. He's a great singer, songwriter, and frontman.


He can be a douche, and I'll call him out when he is- but he is human just like the rest of us.

All of the ML hate on this site bugs me to be honest.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 09, 2017, 11:38:45 AM
I am a huge fan of Mike Love. He's a great singer, songwriter, and frontman.


He can be a douche, and I'll call him out when he is- but he is human just like the rest of us.

All of the ML hate on this site bugs me to be honest.

Show us this widespread hate. Maybe the people who were trying to scrub anything and everything negative written about Mike from this site who failed and continue to fail in that pursuit can try to classify people voicing negative opinions of Mike as "hate" and try to diminish the fans here, but that doesn't mean it's so. It's going to keep failing as much as some of Mike's most ardent supporters try to defend attempts to rewrite history or change facts to suit.

If you want censorship of opinions or voices you don't like, there are other places which welcome that mentality.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: The Old Master Painter on October 09, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
I don’t hate the guy personally, I don’t know him, but I can’t help it but judge him over the way he names his albums... “Unleash The Love”? Seriously? We get it, his surname is Love, but he has to stop with the puns on his name... it’s getting redundant, for Love’s sake.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on October 09, 2017, 11:49:36 AM
A few years ago, I started a similar topic called ‘The history of Mike Love’s reputation’. Personally, I don’t hate Mike. I actually respect him but disagree with some things he has said or done. Here is a time line of the negative things (rumors) about Mike and my thoughts.

1. Don’t f%€ with the formula
   - Many are convinced that Mike hated the musical changes starting with Pet Sounds. Mike has denied this, and in fact has praised the 66-73 era at times. He has had some critiques of songs, which as a member of the band has the right to do so.
2. Mike’s corny on stage banter
   - A matter of opinion. Personally, I lik his on stage humor and think he is a good front man. With the exception of ‘wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen......’ intro to Be True to Your School.
3. Talentless hack
   - While he might be the least talented member of the group, he did have talent. He has shown over the years that he is capable of writing a good song or lyrics in my opinion. I dislike most of the nestalgia songs though
4. Hall of Fame Speach
   - He was drunk at the time so I’ve heard
5. Lawsuit for song writing credits he wrote one word for
   - How do they know he wrote one word? Or phrase? And a hook line is an important part of a songs success.
6. Taking over The Beach Boys after Carl died and getting rid of Al
   - As voted by the legal parties. I believe the only anti vote was Al.
7. Suing Al for using the Beach Boy Name
   - Despite his legal right to do so, I think this was a sorry move on his part.
8. Suing Brian for giving away BB memorabilia and slander against him in the Brian Wilson presents Smile documentary
   - I can understand the slander part. But I think he lost this lawsuit anyway.
9. Not wanting to continue the reunion when it seems the others wanted to.
   - I think Mike was offended that Brian’s handlers wouldn’t let him work with Brian alone. He still thinks Brian is manipulated and controlled similar to Landy years. Personally, I think those around Brian actually care about him now.
10. John Stamos
   - If I were Stamos, I would do the same thing!


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Mike Garneau on October 09, 2017, 11:50:00 AM
I am so sick of this topic...

...but I'll say this. He's awesome to the fans who want to meet him. I've met him twice and he gave me a lot of his time and was happy to sign my items and take pictures with me.

I'm at a point where I no longer give a sh*t about the relationship these guys have with each other.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Wirestone on October 09, 2017, 12:07:15 PM
I have said consistently that Mike is probably the one member of the band who would be great fun to have a drink or meal with. He seems to be a human adult in the way that Brian and his brothers — who achieved immense fame in their teens — never managed. Mike was a grown up before the success, and I think it means more to him because of that.

He has acted in ways that I, as a fan of the music and of Brian, disagree with most strongly. He has made it so difficult, sometimes, to give those actions the benefit of the doubt.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: HeyJude on October 09, 2017, 12:26:08 PM
I am a huge fan of Mike Love. He's a great singer, songwriter, and frontman.


He can be a douche, and I'll call him out when he is- but he is human just like the rest of us.

All of the ML hate on this site bugs me to be honest.

Please just stop using the word "hate." As someone who has seen  *over 20 years* of opinions on the internet about Mike, I have almost never seen actual *HATE.* Saying Mike was a dick in an interview isn't "hate." Saying his new single stinks isn't "hate." And so on.

I've often said that Mike is probably *great* to his friends and family (to sort of riff on a similar theme to what Wirestone mentioned above in his post). The animosity and disappointment among fans concerning Mike has mostly to do with his words and deeds *concerning the band* and its history.

As for being human like the rest of us, of course that's the case. That's something *Mike* should remember the next time he inexplicably reminds us that Dennis was an alcoholic 40 years ago in an interview promoting his show at the Cabbage Festival in Peoria.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: HeyJude on October 09, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
I am so sick of this topic...

...but I'll say this. He's awesome to the fans who want to meet him. I've met him twice and he gave me a lot of his time and was happy to sign my items and take pictures with me.

I'm at a point where I no longer give a sh*t about the relationship these guys have with each other.

I've often pointed out that Mike is great with fans in almost every public setting/story I've heard of. A few "behind the scenes" stories aren't flattering. But a typical fan interaction is uniformly great with Mike. He also *will* engage with journalists who have been critical of him; the problem *there* is that few will engage him in that realm.

There's only one person I've heard of among the BBs where there are *numerous* stories detailing negative fan experiences, and that is weirdly Bruce. Al is usually great, Dave is, Mike is, Brian has never been nasty with fans though he might be sometimes tired or detached or brief, etc.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: HeyJude on October 09, 2017, 12:41:34 PM
In my experience, especially in recent years when a seemingly devoted, relatively "hardcore" fan", seems weirdly incredulous regarding the criticism and negatively surrounding Mike, it seems as though many of those types of fans have not been fans for very long. They've often taken a deep dive relatively quickly into the band over the course of maybe the last five years or so, maybe a bit more.

It's difficult to explain, but I think when a fan very quickly digests all of the history and criticisms and interviews and all of that, it dulls the impact of what Mike has done and said over the years.

Whereas, I've you've been a fan since the 80s or 70s or 60s, you've experienced a lot of it (or all of it) in real time and you're perhaps better able to weigh all of that against the long history of the band. You've perhaps cut Mike some slack and given him the benefit of the doubt many, many, many times only to be disappointed.

This disparity between long-time fans and newer fans also, sometimes, explains how some were kind of "meh, whatever" about the breakup of the reunion in 2012 while others saw both *how amazing* it was for them to reunite and then also realize how much of a wasted opportunity it was to let it die. If you digested every 70s and 80s BB album in the course of a few days or weeks or months, you didn't experience the constant disappointment of waiting for something good only to be met with "Crack at Your Love" or "Problem Child" or whatever, or waiting for a deep cuts tour only to be met with the same stale 28-song setlist over and over.

So, sometimes, stepping in after being a fan for only a few years, or only being a hardcore fan for a few years (or not really being a hardcore fan at all) and saying "I don't understand why Mike is criticized so much!" is sort of like stepping into a 30-year-plus family feud and talking to both sides for like ten minutes and then "explaining" to both sides why their gripes make no sense.

Hopefully that all makes a bit of sense. And this is really the polite, benefit-of-the-doubt examination of why someone might seem to not understand the heavy criticism of Mike. Because the alternative is simply a lack of ability to absorb and learn the history of the band.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: wilsonart1 on October 09, 2017, 01:13:44 PM
Just wait til' the album interviews, how quick the conversation will go from I had all this music in me that  just needed to come out, to I wrote almost all of the Beach Boy's lyric's and really should be the one who get's credit. I Michael E dward Love was the sixties. don't you know?


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 09, 2017, 04:06:57 PM
Personally I think he set himself up for a fail when he licensed the band name. Many members of groups have in effect locked out various founding members there by upsetting their fan base.

If Mick Jagger had licensed The Rolling Stones name during his feud with Keith Richards in the 90s, headed off with Charlie, we would be having the same conversation.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: CenturyDeprived on October 09, 2017, 04:38:27 PM
For all the very good and sometimes great contributions Mike made to the band, which every fan should acknowledge, Mike has undeniably been a thorn in Brian's side from a creative and personal perspective at many, many times along the way. And unapologetically so. That's the key thing.

Brian was stifled creatively in part due to his cousin. Not always of course. But at some very key moments. IMO, Mike was a contributing factor in some ways to some negative parts of Brian's life. I'd probably be more inclined to self medicate too with Mike as my omnipresent bandmate and family member.

That he's 76 and takes little to no responsibility for anything bad he's ever done personally and within the band is the main reason why people dislike him on many levels. Hate's way, way too strong a word for me, but I agree that there are plenty of people who would use that word with no problem. Mike's messed up and some of his problems stem from legit screwjobs that were out of his control, such as being unfairly denied credit, and he deserves some empathy for that. But lots of his actions are just inexcusable.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on October 09, 2017, 05:27:29 PM
I don't hate Mike Love.  I think he's a great vocalist.  I just think he's kind of a dick and hilariously out of touch.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Needleinthehay on October 09, 2017, 05:44:33 PM
I think one of the biggest issues is that he has such a huge ego in comparison to how bad/average his solo work is. If he was how he is but was an equal talent to brian, i think a lot of the hate would go away. He has come up with some good lyrics (good vibrations probably the best) but I mean, the guy who made summer in paradise and hasn't written anything good in 30 years talks about himself like he's an equal to brian and paul mccartney, etc.

Hell, even Paul Mccartney is more modest in interviews and he is 100x more talented, imho.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: Lee Marshall on October 09, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
I've never "hated" that love guy.  I just have no respect for him.  If being a complete and utter dick was a quality...HE'D be a king.  You're read above about his penchant for achieving that claim to the throne.  And YES he can be a decent guy with fans...particularly the lassies...when he's wants to 'do' that.  But really.  Be honest he's the least talented music guy in the group...and the worst lead vocalist.  He has a tight circle of themes which he pens lyrics for and the recycle factor is aggravating to the nth degree.

Was it Wirestone who wrote this?..."He seems to be a human adult in the way that Brian and his brothers — who achieved immense fame in their teens — never managed."  I think it was.  You most obviously never spent ANY meaningful time with Carl Wilson.  What a pile of shyte this assumption is.

To me that love guy...the one who now reigns over the Beached Boys...is mostly just the great pretender.  THAT and a 1 trick pony...in a hat.  And how can you hate THAT?

Good night.  Sleep tight.  Cheque please.

No...really...CHEQUE...please


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 09, 2017, 09:14:26 PM
I don't hate Mike Love.  I think he's a great vocalist.  I just think he's kind of a dick and hilariously out of touch.

That's how I feel. I'll go one better and say he is incredibly talented and I get frustrated that he not only wastes his talent, he brings the rest of the brand down with him, and he carries an unnecessary grudge against Brian. Also have an issue when a certain employee of his takes swipes at members here just because he doesn't agree with their opinions. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: phirnis on October 10, 2017, 02:22:30 AM
Mike Love used to be a very good lyricist up until and including the Wild Honey album, which came out 50 years ago. He did some good work afterwards (Meant for You, Do It Again, All I Wanna Do, Big Sur, even It's OK and maybe Getcha Back) but that's only one song every couple of years and creatively he hasn't done anything noteworthy since rewriting John Phillips' song Kokomo, the hit recording of which is going to be 30 years old soon... an admittedly nice production that still has more in common with other novelty songs like Agadoo than with the classic BB material that he (and a number of other "chief lyricists") penned together with his genius cousin.

I agree that the guy is probably his own worst enemy. If he'd be humble instead of bragging, people would like him a lot more, myself included.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: JK on October 10, 2017, 02:28:05 AM
I am so sick of this topic...

...but I'll say this. He's awesome to the fans who want to meet him. I've met him twice and he gave me a lot of his time and was happy to sign my items and take pictures with me.

I'm at a point where I no longer give a sh*t about the relationship these guys have with each other.

I couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 10, 2017, 03:48:03 AM
Me too - original poster to blame. ::)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2017, 05:04:41 AM
Iain Lee also threatened the board.... ::)

I forgot about that! :lol

That whole article was a sham, I wouldn’t be surprised if he had the whole thing outlined in his head before he even asked the question on this forum. He cherry picked some rather stupid reasons for people disliking Mike, then did a poor job of trying to convince people that those were the main reasons why Mike is disliked.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2017, 05:42:48 AM
Agreed, then had his account deleted once his “mission” was done.... ::)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 09:05:30 AM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.



Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 10, 2017, 10:09:15 AM
"We love all the members" ranks down there with "all lives matter ". I mean, hell, I actually feel that way (on both things ) but certain people use that statement almost like an attack to diminish whomever is not their "guy"


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Dutchie on October 10, 2017, 01:04:23 PM
Wow.. :o 2 pages because i used the word hate in the topic. Were is this board going to ??? were is the time people respected each other ? why the harsh reply's?


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: HeyJude on October 10, 2017, 01:13:19 PM
Wow.. :o 2 pages because i used the word hate in the topic. Were is this board going to ??? were is the time people respected each other ? why the harsh reply's?

I mean this as kindly and politely as possible, but it appears you've been a member of this board for almost 12 years; since its inception. If you *still* can't understand why Mike is widely criticized, I would suggest reading the myriad of threads on the topic going back 12 years.

I would also suggest that accusing other fans of "hate" and then incredulously asking "where is the time people respected each other?" is pretty unfair.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Dutchie on October 10, 2017, 01:48:43 PM
Well it seems i cant write anything without being jumped at.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on October 10, 2017, 02:11:16 PM
Well it seems i cant write anything without being jumped at.

What sort of responses were you expecting when you decided to start this thread?

I'm genuinely interested to know.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 10, 2017, 02:11:45 PM
Well it seems i cant write anything without being jumped at.

Sorry, but I've got to  :lol. I don't think you really have a clue as to what "jumped at" really means, but if you have any questions about it, ask me.  ;)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 10, 2017, 02:46:28 PM
Well it seems i cant write anything without being jumped at.

We've all been there.  I know I have!


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
Wow.. :o 2 pages because i used the word hate in the topic. Were is this board going to ??? were is the time people respected each other ? why the harsh reply's?

Can you please direct me to the harsh replies? If anything I and others resonded with, what I thought were, rather informative replies. Some got rather annoyed at your use of the word “hate” and, in your defense, you didn’t mention that the hatred was emanating from this site, just that he is hated in general - which glancing at any number of YouTube video comments regarding the BBs you would be entirely correct.

I guess I understand why you’d be annoyed at that, but at the same time many people responded cordially to your original post - perhaps ignore the one or two posts that made you mad, and instead interact with those who responded politely to your question. Message boards are full of people you’ll disagree with, not saying you need thick skin to be here, but ignoring people you don’t agree with is sometimes necessary.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2017, 07:20:16 PM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.

My favorite part is that all of the above is documented fact, yetttttt this place is so toxic because OSD calls ML “myke luhv“ -oh the humanity!

Speaking of “journalists” who don’t do their jobs, anyone remember Casey Hardmeyer’s bullshit NPP review for PopMatters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much disinformation in one review before....I mean, hate the album all you want, but at least do 10 minutes of research to back your claims before you publish...journalism 101 stuff.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 07:33:40 PM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.

My favorite part is that all of the above is documented fact, yetttttt this place is so toxic because OSD calls ML “myke luhv“ -oh the humanity!

Speaking of “journalists” who don’t do their jobs, anyone remember Casey Hardmeyer’s bullshit NPP review for PopMatters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much disinformation in one review before....I mean, hate the album all you want, but at least do 10 minutes of research to back your claims before you publish...journalism 101 stuff.

Exactly. And 100% documented fact, yes. Unfortunately for too many gullible fans and those with agendas or axes to grind, they don't let documented facts get in the way of an agenda. Even more unfortunate is when people believe them.

So yeah, that journalist...The time when he came on the board is still documented too here on this site. It was a complete farce. If someone can find it, feel free to post the direct link so newcomers can see what kind of bullshit was being peddled here. I'll reserve comment beyond that. But definitely worth a revisit as a reminder.

And even more shameful is that some of that complete bullshit got picked up and reprinted by Wikipedia, so whoever reads that gets that impression of the album. What a crock.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2017, 07:39:32 PM
No prick pressure on SS anymore! ;D


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 07:49:48 PM
Bizarro world...where facts don't mean jack sh*t, and those offering or reminding of the facts get attacked as haters, labeled toxic, and are blamed for the negativity against Mike Love that is as widespread across the internet as cute kitten memes.

Now there's a special place for all that.  :)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 08:01:40 PM
Wow.. :o 2 pages because i used the word hate in the topic. Were is this board going to ??? were is the time people respected each other ? why the harsh reply's?

Where are the harsh replies? Point them out, quote them and maybe the people being too harsh in your opinion can follow up and address your concerns. Just point us to the harsh replies first.

The time when people respected each other? As a 12 year member, are you seriously asking that or just trying to stir something up? Show me the respect in bullying other members off the board and using the PM system like a personal hit squad for slander and bullying and worse, and perhaps reconsider that "respect" notion which is only now returning after the people causing the issues went elsewhere.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 10, 2017, 08:11:29 PM

Pugnacious arrogance is outta here for good.  :police:


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 08:37:46 PM

Pugnacious arrogance is outta here for good.  :police:

I heard echoes of the late, great Harry Kalas making that call in the booth...  :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XtKWNNWcc-w/TYEJd3UB_jI/AAAAAAAAAT4/9evCRzpfwik/s1600/Outta_Here_crop_large.jpg)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: rab2591 on October 10, 2017, 08:39:12 PM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.

My favorite part is that all of the above is documented fact, yetttttt this place is so toxic because OSD calls ML “myke luhv“ -oh the humanity!

Speaking of “journalists” who don’t do their jobs, anyone remember Casey Hardmeyer’s bullshit NPP review for PopMatters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much disinformation in one review before....I mean, hate the album all you want, but at least do 10 minutes of research to back your claims before you publish...journalism 101 stuff.

Exactly. And 100% documented fact, yes. Unfortunately for too many gullible fans and those with agendas or axes to grind, they don't let documented facts get in the way of an agenda. Even more unfortunate is when people believe them.

So yeah, that journalist...The time when he came on the board is still documented too here on this site. It was a complete farce. If someone can find it, feel free to post the direct link so newcomers can see what kind of bullshit was being peddled here. I'll reserve comment beyond that. But definitely worth a revisit as a reminder.

And even more shameful is that some of that complete bullshit got picked up and reprinted by Wikipedia, so whoever reads that gets that impression of the album. What a crock.

Agreed 100%

Here is Wirestone’s brilliant reply to Hardmeyer’s “review” thing: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064)

Here is my spat with Hardmeyer: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144)

Edit: I just reread through that whole argument with him...totally forgot that Billy banned his ass after Hardmeyer flaunted his “credentials” of writing for a newspaper :lol seriously one of the stupidest conversations I’ve had on this board, and that’s saying a lot. I wish the best for Hardmeyer, and for the sake of whoever reads his work these days I hope he has gained a bit more journalistic integrity in years since.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.

My favorite part is that all of the above is documented fact, yetttttt this place is so toxic because OSD calls ML “myke luhv“ -oh the humanity!

Speaking of “journalists” who don’t do their jobs, anyone remember Casey Hardmeyer’s bullshit NPP review for PopMatters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much disinformation in one review before....I mean, hate the album all you want, but at least do 10 minutes of research to back your claims before you publish...journalism 101 stuff.

Exactly. And 100% documented fact, yes. Unfortunately for too many gullible fans and those with agendas or axes to grind, they don't let documented facts get in the way of an agenda. Even more unfortunate is when people believe them.

So yeah, that journalist...The time when he came on the board is still documented too here on this site. It was a complete farce. If someone can find it, feel free to post the direct link so newcomers can see what kind of bullshit was being peddled here. I'll reserve comment beyond that. But definitely worth a revisit as a reminder.

And even more shameful is that some of that complete bullshit got picked up and reprinted by Wikipedia, so whoever reads that gets that impression of the album. What a crock.

Agreed 100%

Here is Wirestone’s brilliant reply to Hardmeyer’s “review” thing: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064)

Here is my spat with Hardmeyer: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144)

Thanks for the refresher! It was worse than I remembered.

For the people bemoaning the lack of respect on this board as of 10/10/2017...see those links, read the back-and-forth, and note especially the review and the actions of the reviewer. Facts don't matter as long as you get an agenda-fueled click-bait article to upload out of the deal. Particularly respectful is how Brian Wilson is compared to wheeling Grandpa out for Thanksgiving dinner, and the reviewer himself offering opinions on those who gave the album 5 stars as if they're idiots...among other gems of wisdom and insight.

That's the respect that is no longer here? If so, I'm glad that funky notion of "respect" followed those now-departed people on full display in those discussions out the fucking door to more respectful communities of like-minded fans...


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
Someone should consider starting a thread titled "Many Negative Reviews Of Unleash The Love" on this and other forums and see how well that one goes over.

The good ol' days indeed. Nothin' but respect on display.  ;D


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Dutchie on October 10, 2017, 09:36:40 PM
Thanks for alle your reply's 😎


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 10, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.

My favorite part is that all of the above is documented fact, yetttttt this place is so toxic because OSD calls ML “myke luhv“ -oh the humanity!

Speaking of “journalists” who don’t do their jobs, anyone remember Casey Hardmeyer’s bullshit NPP review for PopMatters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much disinformation in one review before....I mean, hate the album all you want, but at least do 10 minutes of research to back your claims before you publish...journalism 101 stuff.

Exactly. And 100% documented fact, yes. Unfortunately for too many gullible fans and those with agendas or axes to grind, they don't let documented facts get in the way of an agenda. Even more unfortunate is when people believe them.

So yeah, that journalist...The time when he came on the board is still documented too here on this site. It was a complete farce. If someone can find it, feel free to post the direct link so newcomers can see what kind of bullshit was being peddled here. I'll reserve comment beyond that. But definitely worth a revisit as a reminder.

And even more shameful is that some of that complete bullshit got picked up and reprinted by Wikipedia, so whoever reads that gets that impression of the album. What a crock.

Agreed 100%

Here is Wirestone’s brilliant reply to Hardmeyer’s “review” thing: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064)

Here is my spat with Hardmeyer: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144)

Thanks for the refresher! It was worse than I remembered.

For the people bemoaning the lack of respect on this board as of 10/10/2017...see those links, read the back-and-forth, and note especially the review and the actions of the reviewer. Facts don't matter as long as you get an agenda-fueled click-bait article to upload out of the deal. Particularly respectful is how Brian Wilson is compared to wheeling Grandpa out for Thanksgiving dinner, and the reviewer himself offering opinions on those who gave the album 5 stars as if they're idiots...among other gems of wisdom and insight.

That's the respect that is no longer here? If so, I'm glad that funky notion of "respect" followed those now-departed people on full display in those discussions out the fucking door to more respectful communities of like-minded fans...

One thing I didn't take in account when I did my rant in that thread was Skype


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 09:53:30 PM
Yet another attempt to try fucking with this community that failed miserably. Unless taking to a stage in front of a live audience and joking about wanting to murder people on this board is somehow funny. Again, in the name of boosting or defending Mike and his legacy?

What draws these people and these odd behaviors into defending Mike Love and his legacy? Hey kids...let's launch vendettas, target and trash people, slander/lie/gossip, label people 'toxic', make sh*t up at random, threaten lawsuits and background checks...in the name of defending Mike. Then instead of owning the actions, say some key catch-phrases like "it's all about the music", "we love ALL the band members", and disappear. It's mind-boggling.

My favorite part is that all of the above is documented fact, yetttttt this place is so toxic because OSD calls ML “myke luhv“ -oh the humanity!

Speaking of “journalists” who don’t do their jobs, anyone remember Casey Hardmeyer’s bullshit NPP review for PopMatters? I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much disinformation in one review before....I mean, hate the album all you want, but at least do 10 minutes of research to back your claims before you publish...journalism 101 stuff.

Exactly. And 100% documented fact, yes. Unfortunately for too many gullible fans and those with agendas or axes to grind, they don't let documented facts get in the way of an agenda. Even more unfortunate is when people believe them.

So yeah, that journalist...The time when he came on the board is still documented too here on this site. It was a complete farce. If someone can find it, feel free to post the direct link so newcomers can see what kind of bullshit was being peddled here. I'll reserve comment beyond that. But definitely worth a revisit as a reminder.

And even more shameful is that some of that complete bullshit got picked up and reprinted by Wikipedia, so whoever reads that gets that impression of the album. What a crock.

Agreed 100%

Here is Wirestone’s brilliant reply to Hardmeyer’s “review” thing: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,20283.msg510064.html#msg510064)

Here is my spat with Hardmeyer: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,21372.msg541144.html#msg541144)

Thanks for the refresher! It was worse than I remembered.

For the people bemoaning the lack of respect on this board as of 10/10/2017...see those links, read the back-and-forth, and note especially the review and the actions of the reviewer. Facts don't matter as long as you get an agenda-fueled click-bait article to upload out of the deal. Particularly respectful is how Brian Wilson is compared to wheeling Grandpa out for Thanksgiving dinner, and the reviewer himself offering opinions on those who gave the album 5 stars as if they're idiots...among other gems of wisdom and insight.

That's the respect that is no longer here? If so, I'm glad that funky notion of "respect" followed those now-departed people on full display in those discussions out the fucking door to more respectful communities of like-minded fans...

One thing I didn't take in account when I did my rant in that thread was Skype

Skype and maybe a TARDIS or that teleporter thing Captain Kirk and his crew would use to explore hostile planets...

But seriously, the only thing to take into account in retrospect in all that mess was that a reviewer got numerous facts completely wrong, bristled and started attacking when people presented the real facts to correct him, and in all of it his bias or agenda or whatever you want to call it started to come out. It was a hit piece, worthy of one of those Finnish college newspaper reviews Nicko found, and again re-reading those threads you see some names defending him in spite of all the errors and other bullshit who have now gone to hang with the like-minded and their guru(s).

Any review that compares the artist to Grandpa being wheeled out to dinner or calls the artist brain damaged isn't fit to wipe someone's ass with, let alone be taken seriously as journalism or legit music criticism.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 10, 2017, 09:57:04 PM
Thanks for alle your reply's 😎

Show us the posts that you're referring to.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: JK on October 11, 2017, 04:41:49 AM
Thanks for alle your reply's 😎

Show us the posts that you're referring to.

I suspect Dutchie was thanking everyone collectively.

Surely the decent thing now is to lock this topic (after the second post would have been even better).


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 11, 2017, 05:07:41 AM
Surely the decent thing now is to lock this topic (after the second post would have been even better).
Why don't you tell Dutchie to lock it? I seem to catch that some topic starters did it themselves. Or, what would be EVEN better is not start the topic. :) [about 10 posters now step in to agree with me :police: ]


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 11, 2017, 05:21:56 AM

Pugnacious arrogance is outta here for good.  :police:

I heard echoes of the late, great Harry Kalas making that call in the booth...  :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XtKWNNWcc-w/TYEJd3UB_jI/AAAAAAAAAT4/9evCRzpfwik/s1600/Outta_Here_crop_large.jpg)

Exactly! The legendary voice of the Philadelphia Phillies was the inspiration for my quote. Miss that man.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 08:41:38 AM

Pugnacious arrogance is outta here for good.  :police:

I heard echoes of the late, great Harry Kalas making that call in the booth...  :)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-XtKWNNWcc-w/TYEJd3UB_jI/AAAAAAAAAT4/9evCRzpfwik/s1600/Outta_Here_crop_large.jpg)

Exactly! The legendary voice of the Philadelphia Phillies was the inspiration for my quote. Miss that man.

I mention Harry all the time, it's hard to watch or listen to a game without still hearing or imagining Harry and Whitey Asburn calling the play by play. Fans in Philly were both fortunate and spoiled to have the best in the business as the voices of the Phils.

And also having both Jon Facenda and Harry narrate NFL Films...both of them, Philly hometown guys, among the best voice talents in broadcast history. A lost art.

No one called a home run like Harry.  :)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
OSD in the upper deck of the Vet circa 1987 when Mike Love is singing after a phils game...... >:D


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 08:58:06 AM
OSD in the upper deck of the Vet circa 1987 when Mike Love is singing after a phils game...... >:D

After joining the crowd chanting "5 for 1" following Von Hayes grounding into another rally killing double play in the 8th...  ;)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 11, 2017, 08:59:41 AM
OSD in the upper deck of the Vet circa 1987 when Mike Love is singing after a phils game...... >:D

After joining the crowd chanting "5 for 1" following Von Hayes grounding into another rally killing double play in the 8th...  ;)

I've only been there once, but I don't enjoy anyone who called the Vet their home ballpark. 

Although, to be fair, Baltimore's Memorial Stadium was no prize either. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 09:06:43 AM
I saw my first major league game at the Vet back when they didn't even offer ketchup to put on the hot dogs, and also saw some amazing games there in the years after. In terms of the NFL...there was no place that teams like the Giants and the fucking Cowboys hated more than the Vet. Just ask Aikman and Simms. Those games when Buddy coached the Eagles were among the best, pure blood-n-guts football you'll ever see. And it will never happen again since the league effectively put a force field of protection around the big-money QB's to protect all the tax-free investments.

The Vet was a well-known dump and dive, but there are no more loyal fans in the country than Philly especially when teams or players give 110% on the field. Like a hometown dive bar - Someone new going in would recoil in horror and walk out if they didn't have a Gluten-free menu available or if there weren't 239 craft beers on tap, but for the regulars it's like home.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 09:09:13 AM
Thanks for alle your reply's 😎

Show us the posts that you're referring to.

I suspect Dutchie was thanking everyone collectively.

Surely the decent thing now is to lock this topic (after the second post would have been even better).

No. If someone doesn't like handling worms or cleaning them up, don't open a can of them.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 11, 2017, 09:16:28 AM
I saw my first major league game at the Vet back when they didn't even offer ketchup to put on the hot dogs, and also saw some amazing games there in the years after. In terms of the NFL...there was no place that teams like the Giants and the fucking Cowboys hated more than the Vet. Just ask Aikman and Simms. Those games when Buddy coached the Eagles were among the best, pure blood-n-guts football you'll ever see. And it will never happen again since the league effectively put a force field of protection around the big-money QB's to protect all the tax-free investments.

The Vet was a well-known dump and dive, but there are no more loyal fans in the country than Philly especially when teams or players give 110% on the field. Like a hometown dive bar - Someone new going in would recoil in horror and walk out if they didn't have a Gluten-free menu available or if there weren't 239 craft beers on tap, but for the regulars it's like home.

The first time I ever attended an Orioles road game was at the Vet in 2001.  Like Memorial Stadium, I can see how it's like a dive, but it's "our" dive kinda thing. 

We have newer better stadiums in Baltimore now, for the Orioles and Ravens, and unfortunately, I wasn't around for the glory days of the Orioles and Colts, but apparently, games now are nothing like the "World's Largest Outdoor Insane Asylum" that Memorial Stadium was known as. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2017, 09:29:51 AM
I saw my first major league game at the Vet back when they didn't even offer ketchup to put on the hot dogs, and also saw some amazing games there in the years after. In terms of the NFL...there was no place that teams like the Giants and the fucking Cowboys hated more than the Vet. Just ask Aikman and Simms. Those games when Buddy coached the Eagles were among the best, pure blood-n-guts football you'll ever see. And it will never happen again since the league effectively put a force field of protection around the big-money QB's to protect all the tax-free investments.

The Vet was a well-known dump and dive, but there are no more loyal fans in the country than Philly especially when teams or players give 110% on the field. Like a hometown dive bar - Someone new going in would recoil in horror and walk out if they didn't have a Gluten-free menu available or if there weren't 239 craft beers on tap, but for the regulars it's like home.
Just don't trip on the astroturf on the way out like the Bears' Wendle Davis..... :-\


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 09:32:31 AM
I saw my first major league game at the Vet back when they didn't even offer ketchup to put on the hot dogs, and also saw some amazing games there in the years after. In terms of the NFL...there was no place that teams like the Giants and the fucking Cowboys hated more than the Vet. Just ask Aikman and Simms. Those games when Buddy coached the Eagles were among the best, pure blood-n-guts football you'll ever see. And it will never happen again since the league effectively put a force field of protection around the big-money QB's to protect all the tax-free investments.

The Vet was a well-known dump and dive, but there are no more loyal fans in the country than Philly especially when teams or players give 110% on the field. Like a hometown dive bar - Someone new going in would recoil in horror and walk out if they didn't have a Gluten-free menu available or if there weren't 239 craft beers on tap, but for the regulars it's like home.

The first time I ever attended an Orioles road game was at the Vet in 2001.  Like Memorial Stadium, I can see how it's like a dive, but it's "our" dive kinda thing. 

We have newer better stadiums in Baltimore now, for the Orioles and Ravens, and unfortunately, I wasn't around for the glory days of the Orioles and Colts, but apparently, games now are nothing like the "World's Largest Outdoor Insane Asylum" that Memorial Stadium was known as. 

I'm a veteran of both the 600 and 700 level seats at the Vet, the upper deck, as well as the bleacher seats in right field at Fenway. I have to say those Fenway cheap seats for a baseball game were an insane asylum, but what would they expect when you have a hot summer sun roasting people getting jacked up on warm, cheap beer. I never did an Eagles game in the yellow seats, that was suicide more or less. The fans needed more protection than the players up there, and they'd even recommend not wearing a Dallas, NY, or Washington jersey or any clothing if you were sitting up there. No thanks - better on TV.

They basically sterilized all of that for obvious financial and marketing reasons, which I guess is good in some way, but parks today feel like you're going into an upscale strip mall with food courts, shops, etc.

The old Vet used to have vendors selling hot dogs, beer/soda, peanuts, cotton candy, and maybe a hapless dude walking around selling Klondike bars in the dead of summer. That was pretty much it. And the merch was a booth made of cheap plywood where you could buy hats and shirts and maybe a batting glove or something. As primitive as that sounds compared to the upscale family-friendly scenes they have now, it was part of the vibe where fans went to see the game and not browse a shopping mall.  ;D


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 11, 2017, 09:42:06 AM
I saw my first major league game at the Vet back when they didn't even offer ketchup to put on the hot dogs, and also saw some amazing games there in the years after. In terms of the NFL...there was no place that teams like the Giants and the fucking Cowboys hated more than the Vet. Just ask Aikman and Simms. Those games when Buddy coached the Eagles were among the best, pure blood-n-guts football you'll ever see. And it will never happen again since the league effectively put a force field of protection around the big-money QB's to protect all the tax-free investments.

The Vet was a well-known dump and dive, but there are no more loyal fans in the country than Philly especially when teams or players give 110% on the field. Like a hometown dive bar - Someone new going in would recoil in horror and walk out if they didn't have a Gluten-free menu available or if there weren't 239 craft beers on tap, but for the regulars it's like home.

The first time I ever attended an Orioles road game was at the Vet in 2001.  Like Memorial Stadium, I can see how it's like a dive, but it's "our" dive kinda thing. 

We have newer better stadiums in Baltimore now, for the Orioles and Ravens, and unfortunately, I wasn't around for the glory days of the Orioles and Colts, but apparently, games now are nothing like the "World's Largest Outdoor Insane Asylum" that Memorial Stadium was known as. 

I'm a veteran of both the 600 and 700 level seats at the Vet, the upper deck, as well as the bleacher seats in right field at Fenway. I have to say those Fenway cheap seats for a baseball game were an insane asylum, but what would they expect when you have a hot summer sun roasting people getting jacked up on warm, cheap beer. I never did an Eagles game in the yellow seats, that was suicide more or less. The fans needed more protection than the players up there, and they'd even recommend not wearing a Dallas, NY, or Washington jersey or any clothing if you were sitting up there. No thanks - better on TV.

They basically sterilized all of that for obvious financial and marketing reasons, which I guess is good in some way, but parks today feel like you're going into an upscale strip mall with food courts, shops, etc.

The old Vet used to have vendors selling hot dogs, beer/soda, peanuts, cotton candy, and maybe a hapless dude walking around selling Klondike bars in the dead of summer. That was pretty much it. And the merch was a booth made of cheap plywood where you could buy hats and shirts and maybe a batting glove or something. As primitive as that sounds compared to the upscale family-friendly scenes they have now, it was part of the vibe where fans went to see the game and not browse a shopping mall.  ;D

Yeah, Oriole Park at Camden Yards is like that, with souvenir shops, a full bar (where ticket goers will actually sit and watch the games on TV while paying ballpark prices), a full service restaurant, playgrounds for the kiddies, etc etc.   Half of the fans seem to be there for the social aspect for more than for a baseball game.  It's telling when it's not unusual to see the between inning entertainment on the big screens get more of a crowd reaction than an Orioles homerun.  Then, there's the luxury boxes. 

It's not quite that bad  for football games, but football is a bit of a different beast.  Unless of course, you're in a luxury box, where actually standing up and making noise when your defense is trying to make a key stop on third down is frowned upon. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2017, 06:11:43 PM
It’s a trap... 8)

You called it SB. Dutchie made an account on the PS forum disparaging our board for being a mess and us for not respecting his/her opinion. What a farce.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2017, 06:14:47 PM
Dammit, why am I always right to the point of being quoted in Iain Lee articles! ;)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 11, 2017, 06:30:55 PM


Speaking of Baltimore, does anyone remember Gino Marchetti of the Colts?? I used to be an employee of his.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2017, 06:31:26 PM
Gino's fast food? 8)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love hate
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 07:52:42 PM
It’s a trap... 8)

You called it SB. Dutchie made an account on the PS forum disparaging our board for being a mess and us for not respecting his/her opinion. What a farce.

Same bullshit that has happened before. You're right, it's a farce.

For anyone interested, "Dutchie" was given a chance to quote any of the comments he found harsh or offensive so the posters who wrote them have a chance to address it. Instead he chose to go to another board and complain.

That's the respect he complained was missing here?


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 07:54:17 PM
Thanks for alle your reply's 😎

Show us the posts that you're referring to.

I suspect Dutchie was thanking everyone collectively.

Surely the decent thing now is to lock this topic (after the second post would have been even better).

I guess that wasn't what he was doing, JK. He's currently on another board shitting on everyone here collectively. Maybe you can address it with him.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 11, 2017, 08:15:56 PM
It’s a trap... 8)

You called it SB. Dutchie made an account on the PS forum disparaging our board for being a mess and us for not respecting his/her opinion. What a farce.

Same bullshit that has happened before. You're right, it's a farce.

For anyone interested, "Dutchie" was given a chance to quote any of the comments he found harsh or offensive so the posters who wrote them have a chance to address it. Instead he chose to go to another board and complain.

That's the respect he complained was missing here?

I was just about to post that as I saw that post a little bit ago...and also that Iain Lee is starting sh*t on the "Brian Wilson Tour" Facebook page, right after we were just discussing him.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 11, 2017, 08:24:50 PM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 08:37:46 PM
It’s a trap... 8)

You called it SB. Dutchie made an account on the PS forum disparaging our board for being a mess and us for not respecting his/her opinion. What a farce.

Same bullshit that has happened before. You're right, it's a farce.

For anyone interested, "Dutchie" was given a chance to quote any of the comments he found harsh or offensive so the posters who wrote them have a chance to address it. Instead he chose to go to another board and complain.

That's the respect he complained was missing here?

I was just about to post that as I saw that post a little bit ago...and also that Iain Lee is starting sh*t on the "Brian Wilson Tour" Facebook page, right after we were just discussing him.

I'm not a member of those groups...is he trashing this community or just stirring sh*t in general in the name of Mike Love? Any reposts would be educational and appreciated, lol.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 11, 2017, 08:40:40 PM
It’s a trap... 8)

You called it SB. Dutchie made an account on the PS forum disparaging our board for being a mess and us for not respecting his/her opinion. What a farce.

Same bullshit that has happened before. You're right, it's a farce.

For anyone interested, "Dutchie" was given a chance to quote any of the comments he found harsh or offensive so the posters who wrote them have a chance to address it. Instead he chose to go to another board and complain.

That's the respect he complained was missing here?

I was just about to post that as I saw that post a little bit ago...and also that Iain Lee is starting sh*t on the "Brian Wilson Tour" Facebook page, right after we were just discussing him.

I'm not a member of those groups...is he trashing this community or just stirring sh*t in general in the name of Mike Love? Any reposts would be educational and appreciated, lol.

Stirring sh*t and trolling. Posted a Mike article when the group is supposed to be specifically about Brian's touring, just to start sh*t.

Careful, though..he might go on his little program saying we need to die (again) ::)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 11, 2017, 08:52:24 PM
It’s a trap... 8)

You called it SB. Dutchie made an account on the PS forum disparaging our board for being a mess and us for not respecting his/her opinion. What a farce.

Same bullshit that has happened before. You're right, it's a farce.

For anyone interested, "Dutchie" was given a chance to quote any of the comments he found harsh or offensive so the posters who wrote them have a chance to address it. Instead he chose to go to another board and complain.

That's the respect he complained was missing here?

I was just about to post that as I saw that post a little bit ago...and also that Iain Lee is starting sh*t on the "Brian Wilson Tour" Facebook page, right after we were just discussing him.

I'm not a member of those groups...is he trashing this community or just stirring sh*t in general in the name of Mike Love? Any reposts would be educational and appreciated, lol.

Stirring sh*t and trolling. Posted a Mike article when the group is supposed to be specifically about Brian's touring, just to start sh*t.

Careful, though..he might go on his little program saying we need to die (again) ::)

More of the same. Unreal.  The admins of that group should kick him out if he's stirring the sh*t there too.

Mike Love attracts some really upstanding people and respectful fans as supporters and defenders (and flacks), doesn't he? It's all about the music.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on October 12, 2017, 12:08:58 AM
Anyone feel like contributing to the poll above?

I would,  but it's missing some options


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Cabinessenceking on October 12, 2017, 02:25:14 AM
Anyone feel like contributing to the poll above?

I would,  but it's missing some options

"Shite"?


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on October 12, 2017, 03:38:40 AM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Lee Marshall on October 12, 2017, 04:51:49 AM
Anyone feel like contributing to the poll above?

I would,  but it's missing some options

That's exactly what I thought.  Hence...no vote.  Right from those piss-poor Celebration lps on...it's been

1.  Lacklustre
2.  Shyte
3.  Vomit Inducing

[pick 1.   :wall ]


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: rab2591 on October 12, 2017, 05:04:54 AM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.

Wait, was this poll started by OP? If so that’s ironic they claim we don’t respect opinions when clearly the poll they posted indicates that they don’t respect certain opinions. This person will fit right in over there.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 12, 2017, 05:21:49 AM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.

I met Gino a few times at Baltimore Colts reunions back in the 1990s.  Before we got an NFL team back in Baltimore, these reunions were pretty common in the fall. 

There is still a Gino's restaurant in Towson, which is in Baltimore County.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 12, 2017, 06:42:30 AM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.

I met Gino a few times at Baltimore Colts reunions back in the 1990s.  Before we got an NFL team back in Baltimore, these reunions were pretty common in the fall. 

There is still a Gino's restaurant in Towson, which is in Baltimore County.
ReallY! Might be worth the drive just to devour a couple of Gino Giants!


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 12, 2017, 06:44:59 AM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.

I met Gino a few times at Baltimore Colts reunions back in the 1990s.  Before we got an NFL team back in Baltimore, these reunions were pretty common in the fall. 

There is still a Gino's restaurant in Towson, which is in Baltimore County.
ReallY! Might be worth the drive just to devour a couple of Gino Giants!

There might still be one in Glen Burnie, MD. 

I remember when the one in Towson opened a few years ago.  There was a line out the door.   They also had one at Oriole Park.   Frankly, considering how big nostalgia is, I'm a little surprised the revival of the Gino's brand didn't fare better. 

Although, I think back in the glory days, Gino's used to serve Kentucky Fried Chicken, so that might've helped. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 12, 2017, 08:36:10 AM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.

I met Gino a few times at Baltimore Colts reunions back in the 1990s.  Before we got an NFL team back in Baltimore, these reunions were pretty common in the fall. 

There is still a Gino's restaurant in Towson, which is in Baltimore County.
ReallY! Might be worth the drive just to devour a couple of Gino Giants!

There might still be one in Glen Burnie, MD. 

I remember when the one in Towson opened a few years ago.  There was a line out the door.   They also had one at Oriole Park.   Frankly, considering how big nostalgia is, I'm a little surprised the revival of the Gino's brand didn't fare better. 

Although, I think back in the glory days, Gino's used to serve Kentucky Fried Chicken, so that might've helped. 

I loved Gino's when I was a kid! Special bonus was that one of the 2 (if i remember there were 2 within 10 miles...) was across the street from a toy store that had a display case full of Matchbox cars. So for me as a kid, Gino's followed by a new Matchbox made for a terrific afternoon! lol. Good memories.

I also remember Gino's was great until they switched to a "Homestyle" format, and the burgers changed - not as good. Then soon after that, I think they were gone, if my history is right the parent company took over and changed into Roy Rogers.

And thank you for the most off topic diversion - I had to catch up on what was going on with Gino's and their failed revival in places like KOP. Now I know - They only lasted about 2 years, due to "growing pains" according to the bosses. And scanning some Yelp reviews, those pains were pretty severe. Untrained or disconnected employees, poor service, long waits, and I think above all the prices were not what Gino's was about back in the day. I saw reports that a burger, fries, and shake for 2 would run 30 bucks...and ultimately Gino's was a fast food joint to people who grew up with them. So I would not expect to drop 30 bucks for 2, for a nostalgia trip fast food meal. That's insane. I can see why in King of Prussia the prices would be so jacked up, but still - That's not Gino's identity from back in the day. Fast food burger-fries-shake is not worth 15 bucks, especially if the service was a delayed and as bad as some of the reviews say.

But yeah, I used to love going to Gino's. Great fast food burgers, in fact perhaps the best at that time until they changed hands and formats, whatever the case.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 12, 2017, 08:39:53 AM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.

Wait, was this poll started by OP? If so that’s ironic they claim we don’t respect opinions when clearly the poll they posted indicates that they don’t respect certain opinions. This person will fit right in over there.

Exactly. A good fit. Unless it was another setup.

For people who say "it's all about the music" they sure have a lot of time to waste trying to f*** with people and stir the sh*t, don't they?

Mike's biggest supporters, right there. It's all about the music. We love all the guys. Let's go trolling!


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 12, 2017, 08:47:57 AM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.

I met Gino a few times at Baltimore Colts reunions back in the 1990s.  Before we got an NFL team back in Baltimore, these reunions were pretty common in the fall. 

There is still a Gino's restaurant in Towson, which is in Baltimore County.
ReallY! Might be worth the drive just to devour a couple of Gino Giants!

There might still be one in Glen Burnie, MD. 

I remember when the one in Towson opened a few years ago.  There was a line out the door.   They also had one at Oriole Park.   Frankly, considering how big nostalgia is, I'm a little surprised the revival of the Gino's brand didn't fare better. 

Although, I think back in the glory days, Gino's used to serve Kentucky Fried Chicken, so that might've helped. 

I loved Gino's when I was a kid! Special bonus was that one of the 2 (if i remember there were 2 within 10 miles...) was across the street from a toy store that had a display case full of Matchbox cars. So for me as a kid, Gino's followed by a new Matchbox made for a terrific afternoon! lol. Good memories.

I also remember Gino's was great until they switched to a "Homestyle" format, and the burgers changed - not as good. Then soon after that, I think they were gone, if my history is right the parent company took over and changed into Roy Rogers.

And thank you for the most off topic diversion - I had to catch up on what was going on with Gino's and their failed revival in places like KOP. Now I know - They only lasted about 2 years, due to "growing pains" according to the bosses. And scanning some Yelp reviews, those pains were pretty severe. Untrained or disconnected employees, poor service, long waits, and I think above all the prices were not what Gino's was about back in the day. I saw reports that a burger, fries, and shake for 2 would run 30 bucks...and ultimately Gino's was a fast food joint to people who grew up with them. So I would not expect to drop 30 bucks for 2, for a nostalgia trip fast food meal. That's insane. I can see why in King of Prussia the prices would be so jacked up, but still - That's not Gino's identity from back in the day. Fast food burger-fries-shake is not worth 15 bucks, especially if the service was a delayed and as bad as some of the reviews say.

But yeah, I used to love going to Gino's. Great fast food burgers, in fact perhaps the best at that time until they changed hands and formats, whatever the case.

The new Gino's is a little pricey, and I think for that price, people would sooner go to Five Guys or go to a sit down place.  I think the only reason the one near me is still around is because it's in a very good location.  Plus, there's still plenty of Baltimore Colts fans here. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 12, 2017, 08:48:42 AM
Gino's fast food? 8)

Not quite, SB. I was in a group and we were entertaining at a big party that included some of the Phila. Eagles(Tom Brookshier, Pete Retzlaff, etc.) back in the late 60's early 70's. Gino Marchetti from the Colts was there as well and when we were breaking down asked us if we'd be interested in playing his restaurant called
San Francisco in Wayne, Pa. on the next Friday night. We were numb with disbelief that an ex football star would want us for his upscale digs that was very popular in a somewhat jet set environment. He paid us well (for the time) and quite honestly we probably would have done it for a lot less. Anyway, it turned out to be a steady gig for several months. I saw Gino roughly 7 years ago or so after he actually opened a new Gino's in King of Prussia, Pa. He had licensed the name to a group of investors and he also became a kind of PR man, meeting and talking to the customers. I asked him if he remembered us playing for him years ago. To my surprise, he remembered it well. Unfortunately, the new Gino's did not survive and the mansion that housed his SF restaurant was torn down 4 years ago.

I met Gino a few times at Baltimore Colts reunions back in the 1990s.  Before we got an NFL team back in Baltimore, these reunions were pretty common in the fall. 

There is still a Gino's restaurant in Towson, which is in Baltimore County.
ReallY! Might be worth the drive just to devour a couple of Gino Giants!

There might still be one in Glen Burnie, MD. 

I remember when the one in Towson opened a few years ago.  There was a line out the door.   They also had one at Oriole Park.   Frankly, considering how big nostalgia is, I'm a little surprised the revival of the Gino's brand didn't fare better. 

Although, I think back in the glory days, Gino's used to serve Kentucky Fried Chicken, so that might've helped. 

I loved Gino's when I was a kid! Special bonus was that one of the 2 (if i remember there were 2 within 10 miles...) was across the street from a toy store that had a display case full of Matchbox cars. So for me as a kid, Gino's followed by a new Matchbox made for a terrific afternoon! lol. Good memories.

I also remember Gino's was great until they switched to a "Homestyle" format, and the burgers changed - not as good. Then soon after that, I think they were gone, if my history is right the parent company took over and changed into Roy Rogers.

And thank you for the most off topic diversion - I had to catch up on what was going on with Gino's and their failed revival in places like KOP. Now I know - They only lasted about 2 years, due to "growing pains" according to the bosses. And scanning some Yelp reviews, those pains were pretty severe. Untrained or disconnected employees, poor service, long waits, and I think above all the prices were not what Gino's was about back in the day. I saw reports that a burger, fries, and shake for 2 would run 30 bucks...and ultimately Gino's was a fast food joint to people who grew up with them. So I would not expect to drop 30 bucks for 2, for a nostalgia trip fast food meal. That's insane. I can see why in King of Prussia the prices would be so jacked up, but still - That's not Gino's identity from back in the day. Fast food burger-fries-shake is not worth 15 bucks, especially if the service was a delayed and as bad as some of the reviews say.

But yeah, I used to love going to Gino's. Great fast food burgers, in fact perhaps the best at that time until they changed hands and formats, whatever the case.

Right. In their quest to be a FF entity, the price structure and the slower service (remember the hats that said "Sudden Service"?) did them in. A part of the slower service was, as we noticed, that everything was cooked to order but I've got to tell you GF, I could barely finish my Giant and fries. It was HUGE and so damn delicious! Our band used to go to Gino's after every gig. Fun times for sure.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 12, 2017, 09:06:33 AM
It's a shame but it seems like some corporate level and operational blunders did them in. It seems like they missed the branding identity by a mile, and they failed to prepare the employees for the job at hand. It's hard to bring back a brand so fondly remembered by people like me and essentially go from what they were into a more upscale higher-priced identity. I'm just glad to have caught up with what was going on and also revisit some great memories through this discussion! It's a case now where there are literally so many "upscale" burger places and franchises that it's nice to remember a place like the old Gino's who did what they did as well as anyone else...and much better than the Burger Kings, McD's, Wendy's, etc.

Speaking of...I remember a place called "Burger Chef" too...or at least I think I do, lol. But Gino's was my favorite.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 12, 2017, 09:13:40 AM
It's a shame but it seems like some corporate level and operational blunders did them in. It seems like they missed the branding identity by a mile, and they failed to prepare the employees for the job at hand. It's hard to bring back a brand so fondly remembered by people like me and essentially go from what they were into a more upscale higher-priced identity. I'm just glad to have caught up with what was going on and also revisit some great memories through this discussion! It's a case now where there are literally so many "upscale" burger places and franchises that it's nice to remember a place like the old Gino's who did what they did as well as anyone else...and much better than the Burger Kings, McD's, Wendy's, etc.

Speaking of...I remember a place called "Burger Chef" too...or at least I think I do, lol. But Gino's was my favorite.

Yes, Burger Chef was a thing.  I recently saw them in an article about defunct chain restaurants (the article also included the original Gino's). 

The one that's missed most here in Baltimore is Little Tavern.  It sold little burgers by the bag (before I ever heard the term slider).  The last location shut down in 2008.  I'm surprised nobody has tried to revive it. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: B.E. on October 12, 2017, 09:17:02 AM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.

Wait, was this poll started by OP? If so that’s ironic they claim we don’t respect opinions when clearly the poll they posted indicates that they don’t respect certain opinions. This person will fit right in over there.

Oh come on, Dutchie's poll proved their point (the need for a new poll with trollish options). Go back and read the original post (HeyJude quoted it); "Why all the Mike Love hate" "why [is] everybody so negative about ML". It seems to be a matter of degree, doesn't it? I think it's reasonable to consider whether the criticism/abuse of Mike is disproportionate. I don't know Dutchie, if he/she was speaking in code or had ulterior motives, but regardless, I have noticed some posters who almost exclusively post positive things about all Beach Boys related music (yes, including Mike solo) made to feel unwelcome. I'm not condemning the board, just noting that, if true, that's too bad.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 12, 2017, 09:47:52 AM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.

Wait, was this poll started by OP? If so that’s ironic they claim we don’t respect opinions when clearly the poll they posted indicates that they don’t respect certain opinions. This person will fit right in over there.

Oh come on, Dutchie's poll proved their point (the need for a new poll with trollish options). Go back and read the original post (HeyJude quoted it); "Why all the Mike Love hate" "why [is] everybody so negative about ML". It seems to be a matter of degree, doesn't it? I think it's reasonable to consider whether the criticism/abuse of Mike is disproportionate. I don't know Dutchie, if he/she was speaking in code or had ulterior motives, but regardless, I have noticed some posters who almost exclusively post positive things abo.

ut all Beach Boys related music (yes, including Mike solo) made to feel unwelcome. I'm not condemning the board, just noting that, if true, that's too bad.

Ulterior or not, Dutchie's actions seem to speak for themselves, don't they? I asked him specifically, twice, to point out which posts were harsh to allow a dialogue to happen and maybe get some clarifications from the posters Dutchie thought were "harsh" and hash things out like normal people would do, and instead he goes to the PS forum and starts bitching about this place.

If we're also talking about degrees of negativity and harshness, it's absurd to lay that at the feet of this community when there are much worse comments and negativity toward Mike widespread on the internet and in music communities in general, and that's been the case for a very long time. And on the topic of degrees and proportionality, where does the negativity toward Brian Wilson and his wife come into play? When various historians, journalists, and various pseudo-insiders and fans are spreading rumors and gossip on everything from Brian's marriage, to his children, trying to bash all aspects of his touring from ticket sales to venue choices, when Brian is compared to wheeling Grandpa out for a holiday gathering to being called "brain damaged" in a review, when outright lies are told about the man, when his wife is all but accused of being the next Dr. Landy, accused of being the brick wall that keeps Brian and Mike from that writing room with a piano, and when Brian's family is accused of keeping him drugged and controlled in public interviews by his own cousin (who can't figure out why his phone isn't ringing with invites to write songs, no less)...where is the degree of harshness issue in those cases? Fans will spout off, that's what fans do. But having family members, people who have elevated themselves as historians or "insiders" spreading purely slanderous bullshit publicly and privately, maybe the pinpoint should be why are *they* out to disparage the Wilson family and all that they do, and conversely what can Mike do to effectively turn the public opinion tide which is apparently negative toward him and has been for decades? Because attacking the Wilsons and this idea that having some online bullies thinking they can target posters on message boards who post opinions they don't like in the defense of Mike's image hasn't been working.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on October 12, 2017, 09:59:45 AM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on October 12, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
You're welcome to read back on my post history and read all the fair things I've writren about Mike, including the fact that I'm glad my family dramas haven't been played out in public (as I would not come across well)


What I took exception with regarding the poll is there were no negative options.  It's therefore censorship. This is from the person claiming there was no balance of opinion.

People post positive things about Mike all the time on here and suffer no abuse. I would fight for their right to do so.

It's when they try to police other people's opinions that problems arise.

Dutchie did 'reasonably consider whether the criticism of Mike is disproportionate', and (amongst some understandable moaning that a thread title which has proved highly contentious in the past rears it's head again), he recieved some reasonably considered replies. Instead of accepting these, he acts all hurt and offended, starts a poll which censors opinion, then goes off to garner solice and sympathy from the likes of AGD.
 
I'm sorry, but that's the point my patience runs out. The poll with the negative options was my response.

And there's nothing trollish about me or anyone wanting to voice the opinion that Mike's album is utter shite.




Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: rab2591 on October 12, 2017, 10:04:20 AM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.

Wait, was this poll started by OP? If so that’s ironic they claim we don’t respect opinions when clearly the poll they posted indicates that they don’t respect certain opinions. This person will fit right in over there.

Oh come on, Dutchie's poll proved their point (the need for a new poll with trollish options). Go back and read the original post (HeyJude quoted it); "Why all the Mike Love hate" "why [is] everybody so negative about ML". It seems to be a matter of degree, doesn't it? I think it's reasonable to consider whether the criticism/abuse of Mike is disproportionate. I don't know Dutchie, if he/she was speaking in code or had ulterior motives, but regardless, I have noticed some posters who almost exclusively post positive things about all Beach Boys related music (yes, including Mike solo) made to feel unwelcome. I'm not condemning the board, just noting that, if true, that's too bad.

Some posters who post excusively positive things about the music are also people who also talk sh*t about this place on other boards. That’s why at least I hold these people accountable for those words any time I see them. However, there are also other posters who post here and on the PS forum who are pretty much exclusively positive about ALL Beach Boys related music and I have no problem with them. One example is the poster JK...this person is pretty much always positive, I’ve never seen this person disparage Brian fans, or Mike-“haters”, nor have I seen anyone treat this person with disrespect. JK, please correct me if I’m wrong on that though.

My point is that some people are rabble-rousers who pretend to want to talk about solely the positivity of the music and yet stoke the flames of division..and these people get called out on it, plain and simple. And there are others who simply do just talk about the music and because of that they aren’t looked at negatively here.

Also, Guitarfool, your summary of the nonsense that has taken place in recent years should be stickied on the top of this forum.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: HeyJude on October 12, 2017, 11:39:27 AM
If you've been a member of *this* board since its inception in 2005 and you start a thread where you seem incredulous as to the criticism Mike Love receives, there are most likely one of two things going on: It's either an exercise in trolling, or you haven't been reading any posts on this board in the last 12 years other than your own.

Barring two now-gone Mike defenders on this board who refused to ever admit one single flaw in Mike Love (professionally or personally), even staunch Mike defenders *understand* the criticism of Mike even if they partly or fully disagree with it.

As I said earlier, I'm not one to jump down the throat of a new member of any online community and insist they read all 10 million board posts before they ask a question. But c'mon, the issues with Mike Love are one of the most infamous and well-trodden aspects of fandom. There are countless "Why don't people like Mike Love" threads all around already.

So that's why a thread like this ends up contentious. Its premise is based on ignoring what others have said for over a decade on this board, an apparent refusal to do a search and read even a few old threads that have gone over this topic, and its premise also involves arguably insulting this board and its members and some amount of fandom in general.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 12, 2017, 11:48:41 AM
GF, OSD, and KDS, my college food court needs a Ginos instead of taco bell.... ::)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: JK on October 12, 2017, 12:14:10 PM
One example is the poster JK...this person is pretty much always positive, I’ve never seen this person disparage Brian fans, or Mike-“haters”, nor have I seen anyone treat this person with disrespect. JK, please correct me if I’m wrong on that though.

Thank you, rab. I hope you're right on the first two points (I try to stay positive) but you're absolutely right about the last one. Of course, having a thick skin helps. ;=)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 12, 2017, 03:15:57 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 12, 2017, 03:21:12 PM
You're welcome to read back on my post history and read all the fair things I've writren about Mike, including the fact that I'm glad my family dramas haven't been played out in public (as I would not come across well)


What I took exception with regarding the poll is there were no negative options.  It's therefore censorship. This is from the person claiming there was no balance of opinion.

People post positive things about Mike all the time on here and suffer no abuse. I would fight for their right to do so.

It's when they try to police other people's opinions that problems arise.

Dutchie did 'reasonably consider whether the criticism of Mike is disproportionate', and (amongst some understandable moaning that a thread title which has proved highly contentious in the past rears it's head again), he recieved some reasonably considered replies. Instead of accepting these, he acts all hurt and offended, starts a poll which censors opinion, then goes off to garner solice and sympathy from the likes of AGD.
 
I'm sorry, but that's the point my patience runs out. The poll with the negative options was my response.

And there's nothing trollish about me or anyone wanting to voice the opinion that Mike's album is utter shite.




Very well said. Also have reason to suspect Dutchie is another member already on this site, unless he suddenly forgot how to log in a couple of hundred times ...and that's not an exaggeration.  So yeah, I think he's in a better place* to be coddled by Doe and his army"


*= Not referring to the admins at the PS forum as IMHO they seem to be doing a good job from the few times I've glanced over there, but rather a few of the people who caused trouble here and continue to attempt to stir sh*t.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 12, 2017, 03:23:47 PM
Hmmm, by not including any negative options, it's almost like he's trying to tell us what to think........

Gonna start my own poll methinks.

Wait, was this poll started by OP? If so that’s ironic they claim we don’t respect opinions when clearly the poll they posted indicates that they don’t respect certain opinions. This person will fit right in over there.

Oh come on, Dutchie's poll proved their point (the need for a new poll with trollish options). Go back and read the original post (HeyJude quoted it); "Why all the Mike Love hate" "why [is] everybody so negative about ML". It seems to be a matter of degree, doesn't it? I think it's reasonable to consider whether the criticism/abuse of Mike is disproportionate. I don't know Dutchie, if he/she was speaking in code or had ulterior motives, but regardless, I have noticed some posters who almost exclusively post positive things about all Beach Boys related music (yes, including Mike solo) made to feel unwelcome. I'm not condemning the board, just noting that, if true, that's too bad.

Some posters who post excusively positive things about the music are also people who also talk sh*t about this place on other boards. That’s why at least I hold these people accountable for those words any time I see them. However, there are also other posters who post here and on the PS forum who are pretty much exclusively positive about ALL Beach Boys related music and I have no problem with them. One example is the poster JK...this person is pretty much always positive, I’ve never seen this person disparage Brian fans, or Mike-“haters”, nor have I seen anyone treat this person with disrespect. JK, please correct me if I’m wrong on that though.

My point is that some people are rabble-rousers who pretend to want to talk about solely the positivity of the music and yet stoke the flames of division..and these people get called out on it, plain and simple. And there are others who simply do just talk about the music and because of that they aren’t looked at negatively here.

Also, Guitarfool, your summary of the nonsense that has taken place in recent years should be stickied on the top of this forum.

Hell, THIS post from you should be stickied.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 12, 2017, 04:15:27 PM
It's a shame but it seems like some corporate level and operational blunders did them in. It seems like they missed the branding identity by a mile, and they failed to prepare the employees for the job at hand. It's hard to bring back a brand so fondly remembered by people like me and essentially go from what they were into a more upscale higher-priced identity. I'm just glad to have caught up with what was going on and also revisit some great memories through this discussion! It's a case now where there are literally so many "upscale" burger places and franchises that it's nice to remember a place like the old Gino's who did what they did as well as anyone else...and much better than the Burger Kings, McD's, Wendy's, etc.

Speaking of...I remember a place called "Burger Chef" too...or at least I think I do, lol. But Gino's was my favorite.

I ended up with my favorites in a virtual tie. Gino's and White Castle. Man when the hungries strike, either one will do the job.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 12, 2017, 04:55:32 PM
Not for nothing, but I remember when I finally had White Castle, I had the same reaction as when I heard "Hold Back Time" for the first time. Namely, "WTF is this", and "Ok these onions taste off".


Ok, maybe not so much the latter for HBT :lol


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 12, 2017, 07:53:29 PM
It's a shame but it seems like some corporate level and operational blunders did them in. It seems like they missed the branding identity by a mile, and they failed to prepare the employees for the job at hand. It's hard to bring back a brand so fondly remembered by people like me and essentially go from what they were into a more upscale higher-priced identity. I'm just glad to have caught up with what was going on and also revisit some great memories through this discussion! It's a case now where there are literally so many "upscale" burger places and franchises that it's nice to remember a place like the old Gino's who did what they did as well as anyone else...and much better than the Burger Kings, McD's, Wendy's, etc.

Speaking of...I remember a place called "Burger Chef" too...or at least I think I do, lol. But Gino's was my favorite.

I ended up with my favorites in a virtual tie. Gino's and White Castle. Man when the hungries strike, either one will do the job.

Ive never been to WC, but Ive had the frozen sliders, and they're pretty similar to the Little Tavern chain that used to be in Baltimore.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 12, 2017, 08:19:04 PM
It's a shame but it seems like some corporate level and operational blunders did them in. It seems like they missed the branding identity by a mile, and they failed to prepare the employees for the job at hand. It's hard to bring back a brand so fondly remembered by people like me and essentially go from what they were into a more upscale higher-priced identity. I'm just glad to have caught up with what was going on and also revisit some great memories through this discussion! It's a case now where there are literally so many "upscale" burger places and franchises that it's nice to remember a place like the old Gino's who did what they did as well as anyone else...and much better than the Burger Kings, McD's, Wendy's, etc.

Speaking of...I remember a place called "Burger Chef" too...or at least I think I do, lol. But Gino's was my favorite.

I ended up with my favorites in a virtual tie. Gino's and White Castle. Man when the hungries strike, either one will do the job.

Ive never been to WC, but Ive had the frozen sliders, and they're pretty similar to the Little Tavern chain that used to be in Baltimore.

Got one for you. Remember Harley's? There was one on Holabird Ave. I think it was a local chain.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 12, 2017, 08:32:24 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

At your service, sir!   :p


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Dutchie on October 13, 2017, 01:13:26 AM
You're welcome to read back on my post history and read all the fair things I've writren about Mike, including the fact that I'm glad my family dramas haven't been played out in public (as I would not come across well)


What I took exception with regarding the poll is there were no negative options.  It's therefore censorship. This is from the person claiming there was no balance of opinion.

People post positive things about Mike all the time on here and suffer no abuse. I would fight for their right to do so.

It's when they try to police other people's opinions that problems arise.

Dutchie did 'reasonably consider whether the criticism of Mike is disproportionate', and (amongst some understandable moaning that a thread title which has proved highly contentious in the past rears it's head again), he recieved some reasonably considered replies. Instead of accepting these, he acts all hurt and offended, starts a poll which censors opinion, then goes off to garner solice and sympathy from the likes of AGD.
 
I'm sorry, but that's the point my patience runs out. The poll with the negative options was my response.

And there's nothing trollish about me or anyone wanting to voice the opinion that Mike's album is utter shite.




Very well said. Also have reason to suspect Dutchie is another member already on this site, unless he suddenly forgot how to log in a couple of hundred times ...and that's not an exaggeration.  So yeah, I think he's in a better place* to be coddled by Doe and his army"


*= Not referring to the admins at the PS forum as IMHO they seem to be doing a good job from the few times I've glanced over there, but rather a few of the people who caused trouble here and continue to attempt to stir sh*t.

I didnt talk sh*t on the other board about SS board. Just talked about respect. The other thing i dont understand is that you think i have another account. Yes i admit that i put on the poll to trigger some guys. Even that is seem as trolling ??? these 5 pages says more about some guys than me.

@Moderator: please lock this item or remove it. There has been said enough about it.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: rab2591 on October 13, 2017, 01:47:52 AM
You're welcome to read back on my post history and read all the fair things I've writren about Mike, including the fact that I'm glad my family dramas haven't been played out in public (as I would not come across well)


What I took exception with regarding the poll is there were no negative options.  It's therefore censorship. This is from the person claiming there was no balance of opinion.

People post positive things about Mike all the time on here and suffer no abuse. I would fight for their right to do so.

It's when they try to police other people's opinions that problems arise.

Dutchie did 'reasonably consider whether the criticism of Mike is disproportionate', and (amongst some understandable moaning that a thread title which has proved highly contentious in the past rears it's head again), he recieved some reasonably considered replies. Instead of accepting these, he acts all hurt and offended, starts a poll which censors opinion, then goes off to garner solice and sympathy from the likes of AGD.
 
I'm sorry, but that's the point my patience runs out. The poll with the negative options was my response.

And there's nothing trollish about me or anyone wanting to voice the opinion that Mike's album is utter shite.




Very well said. Also have reason to suspect Dutchie is another member already on this site, unless he suddenly forgot how to log in a couple of hundred times ...and that's not an exaggeration.  So yeah, I think he's in a better place* to be coddled by Doe and his army"


*= Not referring to the admins at the PS forum as IMHO they seem to be doing a good job from the few times I've glanced over there, but rather a few of the people who caused trouble here and continue to attempt to stir sh*t.

I didnt talk sh*t on the other board about SS board. Just talked about respect. The other thing i dont understand is that you think i have another account. Yes i admit that i put on the poll to trigger some guys. Even that is seem as trolling ??? these 5 pages says more about some guys than me.

@Moderator: please lock this item or remove it. There has been said enough about it.

I want to clarify that my comment about people talking sh*t about this board on the PS forum was not aimed at you but at other poster(s) here. Though I don’t get why you called this place a “mess” yet refused to carry on dialogue with people who a) answered your original question cordially, and b) asked you about what specific posts made you feel disrespected.

Also, yes, when you attempt to “trigger” forum members that is indeed trolling...your intention to “trigger” is an admission that you wanted to incite irritation amongst members here (trolling). That you didn’t even interact with those who rationally responded to your original question makes me question your intentions....and the poll you put up afterwards that you admittedly put up to annoy people solidifies that.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 13, 2017, 01:57:17 AM
It's boring to read dumb pointless theories "If Brian/ Al/  wrote "Pisces Brothers"/ "Kokomo" people would praise it" ::) as if there's some validity in there. It's pretty big "IF". Brian's style is different than Mike's, ditto Mike's style different than Brian's.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: rab2591 on October 13, 2017, 02:12:37 AM
You're welcome to read back on my post history and read all the fair things I've writren about Mike, including the fact that I'm glad my family dramas haven't been played out in public (as I would not come across well)


What I took exception with regarding the poll is there were no negative options.  It's therefore censorship. This is from the person claiming there was no balance of opinion.

People post positive things about Mike all the time on here and suffer no abuse. I would fight for their right to do so.

It's when they try to police other people's opinions that problems arise.

Dutchie did 'reasonably consider whether the criticism of Mike is disproportionate', and (amongst some understandable moaning that a thread title which has proved highly contentious in the past rears it's head again), he recieved some reasonably considered replies. Instead of accepting these, he acts all hurt and offended, starts a poll which censors opinion, then goes off to garner solice and sympathy from the likes of AGD.
 
I'm sorry, but that's the point my patience runs out. The poll with the negative options was my response.

And there's nothing trollish about me or anyone wanting to voice the opinion that Mike's album is utter shite.




Very well said. Also have reason to suspect Dutchie is another member already on this site, unless he suddenly forgot how to log in a couple of hundred times ...and that's not an exaggeration.  So yeah, I think he's in a better place* to be coddled by Doe and his army"


*= Not referring to the admins at the PS forum as IMHO they seem to be doing a good job from the few times I've glanced over there, but rather a few of the people who caused trouble here and continue to attempt to stir sh*t.

Want to reply to your last point;

If any member here started an entire thread that mocked the musical taste of a fellow Beach Boys fan and called her names (with the sole intent of mocking that fan) I doubt the leadership here would let that person stay as a member - especially if that person had a history of creating disruption on forums.

But yet again Andrew G Doe gets off the hook. As I was good friends with the leadership there at one point (prior to the inception of the PS forum) I don’t want to come off as too much of a dick (too late, Rab), and I’ve told those guys how I feel privately about this, but I do not understand why certain people were allowed on that forum and (after obvious bully behavior towards fellow fans) why at least one certain person is allowed to stay. It’s simple moral principal.

I also want to clarify my stance on the PS forum. I think most everyone there has great intentions and most every time I’m visiting there it has an atmosphere of positivity and education. No matter where new fans go, it’s great to see people excited about this music. My beef lies with 5% of people there who make up 99% of the scum of this fandom, and the leadership there that allows that scum to continue to bully and god knows what else.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 13, 2017, 05:24:57 AM
It's a shame but it seems like some corporate level and operational blunders did them in. It seems like they missed the branding identity by a mile, and they failed to prepare the employees for the job at hand. It's hard to bring back a brand so fondly remembered by people like me and essentially go from what they were into a more upscale higher-priced identity. I'm just glad to have caught up with what was going on and also revisit some great memories through this discussion! It's a case now where there are literally so many "upscale" burger places and franchises that it's nice to remember a place like the old Gino's who did what they did as well as anyone else...and much better than the Burger Kings, McD's, Wendy's, etc.

Speaking of...I remember a place called "Burger Chef" too...or at least I think I do, lol. But Gino's was my favorite.

I ended up with my favorites in a virtual tie. Gino's and White Castle. Man when the hungries strike, either one will do the job.

Ive never been to WC, but Ive had the frozen sliders, and they're pretty similar to the Little Tavern chain that used to be in Baltimore.

Got one for you. Remember Harley's? There was one on Holabird Ave. I think it was a local chain.

I don't remember Harley's.  Might be before my time (37 years old). 

I think it's kind of funny that a thread about Mike Love has a side conversion going about hamburger stands. 


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: thorgil on October 13, 2017, 06:55:59 AM
It's boring to read dumb pointless theories "If Brian/ Al/  wrote "Pisces Brothers"/ "Kokomo" people would praise it" ::) as if there's some validity in there. It's pretty big "IF". Brian's style is different than Mike's, ditto Mike's style different than Brian's.

Right! Starting from a blatantly false "IF" you could "prove" anything you want. It's not only common sense, it's a basic theorem of logic.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on October 13, 2017, 07:58:18 AM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: KDS on October 13, 2017, 08:20:23 AM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

I think the difference between Mike and Keith Urban is that there was a time when Mike had a hand is writing some classic songs, but his recent material doesn't stack up.  Meanwhile Keith Urban (or insert almost any other artist who's emerged in the last 25 years) has always sucked.   ;D


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: JK on October 13, 2017, 10:16:24 AM
Give me Country Mike to Urban Keith any day.  ;D


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 13, 2017, 10:29:22 AM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on October 13, 2017, 12:01:27 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  ::) ::) ::)

Are you Old Surfer Dude on YouTube? I have no issue with your opinions or anyone else’s being different than mine. I’m just not sure how serious you are. I will agree with you on a lot, if not most of Mike’s music. But when someone says Big Sur sucks, I think they are joking.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 13, 2017, 01:24:50 PM
Big Sur is one of my favorites. ..both the Holland and the 3/4 version.  I actually haven't heard the remake yet so I personally cannot comment on it.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The Lovester on October 13, 2017, 03:54:39 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  ::) ::) ::)
OSD, what are your opinions on some of Mike’s more celebrated songs such as Big Sur, All I Wanna Do, Meant For You, etc. Do you dislike those as much as most of the others or do you like any of them at all? I’m genuinely asking.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Hickory Violet Part IV on October 13, 2017, 04:04:00 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  ::) ::) ::)
OSD, what are your opinions on some of Mike’s more celebrated songs such as Big Sur, All I Wanna Do, Meant For You, etc. Do you dislike those as much as most of the others or do you like any of them at all? I’m genuinely asking.

Also, all the great lyrics on Wild Honey, and all his wonderful contributions before that which played a HUGE part in what made the Beach Boys great.

I don't think many of us dispute that.

We want to give Mike his due.

It's Mike who makes it consistently hard to do so.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The Lovester on October 13, 2017, 05:39:20 PM
I can't answer the poll because it depends. I don't care for this recent cover of Do It Again, nor the 2012 version. Pisces Brothers on the other hand is a simple but beautiful track. I find it funny that a youtube poster named OldSurferDude, whom I call the Mike Love troll, has to leave a  negative comment on any video of a Mike Love song! Maybe  legit feels that way. But I truly believ that if Al wrote Pisces Brothers, the same people would be praising it!

I used to feel the same way, until I realized OSD has been a fan since the beginning and is definitely not some Johnny-Come-Lately who is just piling on. 

For me personally, I always give Mike his due. That's why I get so frustrated, because the man has a HUGE amount of talent that got overlooked because of his other failings , because he's a complete asshole to Brian,and because he makes stupid decisions that overshadow everything. I also dig LBWL. and i'm in the vast minority (and prefer to Imagination by a large margin).

Well, you would be surprised to find that many trolls are older. It doesn't anger me at all. In fact I find it kind of funny actually. I thought Picses Brothers is at the very least harmless and sweet. And yet, you can find his negative comment on youtube! There are plenty of cringe worthy songs by Mike, I agree. But even at his worst, he is better than the awful Kieth Urban. But I don't take the time to comment on all his songs! Lol!!

OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  ::) ::) ::)
OSD, what are your opinions on some of Mike’s more celebrated songs such as Big Sur, All I Wanna Do, Meant For You, etc. Do you dislike those as much as most of the others or do you like any of them at all? I’m genuinely asking.

Also, all the great lyrics on Wild Honey, and all his wonderful contributions before that which played a HUGE part in what made the Beach Boys great.

I don't think many of us dispute that.

We want to give Mike his due.

It's Mike who makes it consistently hard to do so.
Of course! I know Mike is given credit where it's due by most people around here, I just have wondered whether OSD has a soft spot for any of his post '66 songs since many of them are different from anything he has ever done. I know he has often commented how he dislikes many of his songs but I just want to know if those are lumped in with them. And if they are for what reasons?


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 13, 2017, 09:37:26 PM

Sorry, guys, but I've had myKe luHv figured out for many years. I do not like him, his voice, his stage presence, or his feeble attempts at writing music. AIWD was a Brian Wilson tune with words by the luHvster but most likely produced by Carl or Brian or both. Big Sur is barely ok. I stand by the comments I've made on youtube, here and elsewhere.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: JK on October 14, 2017, 03:08:33 AM
OK, that does it! From now on I'll promise to always agree with you on your opinions. Honest. I mean shouldn't we all always agree on everything?  ::) ::) ::)
Are you Old Surfer Dude on YouTube? I have no issue with your opinions or anyone else’s being different than mine. I’m just not sure how serious you are. I will agree with you on a lot, if not most of Mike’s music. But when someone says Big Sur sucks, I think they are joking.

I've often run into OSD's YT comments on Mike tracks. I just get a good laugh out of them. It's so predictable----almost every ML track on YouTube gets the OSD treatment (e.g. "why waste good studio time recording this sh*t"). Whatever the spirit in which these comments are made, I class them with OSD's excellent jokes in the Sandbox.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Don Malcolm on October 14, 2017, 09:59:24 AM
Time to lock it up, folks. There is still some amount of PTSD from "L'Affair AGD" and we are not yet quite ready to disengage from that, but how about the next time that someone plays the "why the hate for Love" card here that we just let Billy or GF be the person to reply "Love is here today and (it's) gone tomorrow..." and pull the plug on the thread before it begins.

As for the poll, it is poorly worded and doesn't leave room for reasonable gradations of opinion. The former was not AGD's deficiency, but the latter most surely was (and still is, whenever he "goes off his meds" over yonder). Mike is to be commended for finally taking the plunge with his material, but he and his "tag team" need to be able to take their lumps should they come their way. Hopefully his work will be judged as much as possible on its own merits (or lack thereof) and not on his perceived personality or the "vibes" emanating from his autobio...

Now, please, let's move on. Someone ask Stephen Desper a question that he might not have covered as yet (though Steve's been incredibly generous and thorough, I'm sure we haven't exhausted his supply of insight).


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on October 14, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
"Why all the Mike Love bashing?".  Because there is really nothing of import to talk about on here.  Train has left the station, we have nothing to say and we're saying it....BBs and BW as relevant contemporary musical entities are DOA....sad but true...


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: JK on October 14, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
"Why all the Mike Love bashing?".  Because there is really nothing of import to talk about on here.  Train has left the station, we have nothing to say and we're saying it....BBs and BW as relevant contemporary musical entities are DOA....sad but true...

Bullshit.


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on October 14, 2017, 02:02:18 PM

I've often run into OSD's YT comments on Mike tracks. I just get a good laugh out of them. It's so predictable----almost every ML track on YouTube gets the OSD treatment (e.g. "why waste good studio time recording this sh*t"). Whatever the spirit in which these comments are made, I class them with OSD's excellent jokes in the Sandbox.

Yeah, it's funny and he is the original (but we only need one!)


Title: Re: Why all the Mike Love bashing
Post by: JK on October 16, 2017, 04:25:20 AM

I've often run into OSD's YT comments on Mike tracks. I just get a good laugh out of them. It's so predictable----almost every ML track on YouTube gets the OSD treatment (e.g. "why waste good studio time recording this sh*t"). Whatever the spirit in which these comments are made, I class them with OSD's excellent jokes in the Sandbox.

Yeah, it's funny and he is the original (but we only need one!)

Exactly!