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Quentin Tarantino is quietly starting to put together his latest project, and is talking to A-list actors for what is promising to be a unique take on the Manson Family murders.

Manson had ordered a group of his followers to attack the inhabitants of a house in the Benedict Canyon part of Los Angeles, believing it was owned by a record producer who earlier had rejected him.

I’ve usually steered clear of any topics relating to this, so I’m not really well informed about how involved Dennis was with Manson at the time. I guess I was wondering just how prominent Dennis’ role was during this time and if it would be likely for his character to play a part in this movie. Thanks in advance for any information!

Hopefully it isn't a too tabloid style movie... :-\

Expect fanciful elements in the storyline. Tarantino's not shy about shoving facts aside in service of a good yarn.

I also expect to hear NLNTL in the soundtrack somewhere.

I think Dennis has to make an appearance somewhere, as he gave him and his followers his house pretty much and was pretty good friends with Manson for a while. He also stole his song which angered Manson greatly. Would be pretty cool to get an accurate representation of Manson's association with the band.

Yeah, I’m expecting it to be pretty out there in terms of fictional (in a good way)...this is the same man who had Hitler killed by a special Allied unit in a movie theatre :lol

I’m really not sure what my thoughts are on Dennis being a character in the movie. Part of me thinks it’s something that Tarantino couldn’t resist: the wholesome friggin Beach Boys being involved in producing/stealing Manson tracks that could’ve led to him going to extremes. It’s probably the most bizarre part of The Beach Boys saga in the 60s - which is saying a lot.

Agreed about NLNTL.

Isn't Quentin Tarantino from Hawthorne? I'm very curious to see what he'll do with this. I agree that the Dennis/Manson relationship would be too tantalizing for him to ignore. But if the people behind the TV show Aquarius couldn't get the rights to use NLNTL in the show, I wonder if Tarantino would be able to?

Great point rab, that actually sounds like a Tarantino Movie! :lol

Good point. Remember the nightmare that the Love and Mercy soundtrack went through? Everyone was kinda left wondering whether a soundtrack would even be released because someone wouldn't sign off on it in a timely manner. This would probably go the same way and Tarantino probably wouldn't even want to be involved in a potential clusterfuck like that.

But if it went through, as this is a really dark moment in The Beach Boys history, I bet there would be some roadblocks. But the amount of money Tarantino and the Weinsteins could throw at the band to get the rights (if they so desired) would negate many roadblocks methinks.

Edit: right, SB?? :lol it's so bizarre you almost can't believe it.

Has Tarantino done much in the way of films that are based on a specific real-life event? I have the impression most of his other works are fiction and don't require real-life facts.

"Inglorius Basterds" was...well...BASED on a specific real-life event (WWII).  But yes, he did get rather liberal with the facts...especially Hitler's demise. Great film, though!

Really interesting. Dennis probably won't be mentioned at all.

Or he'll be a main character.

Or something in between.

It really could be anything though. There's no guarantee that Dennis or the band will have anything to do with it.

I guess Mike will probably re-re-release another song to coincide with it. Santa's Going to Kokomo with My Pisces Brother and Charlie

This could actually be a case of NLNTL being used meaningfully, and adding a huge amount of atmosphere to the project. It would refresh the memory of a dark chapter in band history, but I for one would like to see it used, if it's used respectfully, terms can be reached and Tarantino plans to explore the DW angle.

Yes, but I would say that film has a real-life *setting* rather than it being based on a real-life event. It's basically a fictional story set in WWII, if not an "alternate history" sort of thing.

I don't think Tarantino ever went out and said he was trying make an historical picture.

So I think the "accuracy" of a Manson pic would depend on whether he's tackling making a picture about the specific details of Manson's life and crimes, or if he's going to essentially write another fictional story set amidst the Manson crew.

I would expect the latter. So yes, ultimately someone looking for an historically accurate picture of Manson and his story would probably end up wanting to look elsewhere.

Brilliant film! That one shoot-out is worth the price of admission alone! ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfiNVTPqWPY

Inglorious Basterds was historically authentic in many respects from what I hear (never saw the whole thing) and I bet he's more emotionally invested in this material, so I wouldn't be surprised if it hews fairly closely to real events rather than leaning on fictionalization. If Dennis is in the mix and the casting is good, this should be by far the best and most powerful portrayal of him and that messy situation yet. Hopefully, despite Tarantino's fascination with the sordid, Dennis's good intentions, however misguided, will emerge, with larger-than-life pathos intact.

Terry Melcher would be essential to any film portrayal here

but Dennis & Brian might ultimately be viewed by mr tarentino as a kind of character clutter.  They're more well known than Terry ever was, but still they might be eliminated in contemporary story re-telling

'Two Lane Blacktop' was a big influence on Tarentino. So, Dennis as a major character is not out of the question.

Tarantino's basically the most competent tabloid-style director in the game. He will toss any and all historical authenticity out of the window in the service of film homage. So I wouldn't put it past him to make this some sort of spaghetti-western kung fu epic that just happens to star the Manson family.

If you're remotely familiar with Tarantino, this is more likely than anything involving reality.

Sounds like Rob Zombie's Devils Rejects

I see it was reported that Sharon Tate's sister doesn't like the idea of casting Jennifer Lawrence as Sharon. Not pretty enough! I can see this film becoming a very polarizing event! i would love to see Brian write a track like the Fire sequence for the movie. something very disturbing like Happy Days are Here Again from Imagination.

Big Tarantino fan, and I am quite fascinated by the whole Manson story. However, based on the snippet above, I'd be a little dissapointed if the storyline revolved around the Melcher revenge plot, which is been shown as being at least partially false. Here would be a great opportunity for QT to get into Oliver Stone mode, and explore some of the narratives buried by Bugliosi fable.

Cool! If it's done, I'm going to see it.

A second trailer. Due July.

https://youtu.be/IilE3l2GeiQ

Gawd, I wish people would let that Manson bastard die! Can't we find anything better to make films and write books about than a mass murderer? If it had been up to me, we never would have even known the name of that piece of sh*t.

Mishmashy but still will see it. Did DiCaprio change accent? He talks weird. Brad Pitt looks cool in his 50s. Aged well.

Wow! This looks great! I'm in!  :smokin

The reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are almost all good and very good.

Yep. At Cannes premiere, by the end it got 6-minute claps by viewers.

Dude has never made a bad movie...his movies range from very good to classic. In 40 years he will be on lists of top 10 greatest filmmakers of all time....even tho he’s not everyone’s taste with all the violence and swearing...

Has it been confirmed yet if Dennis will be in it or not? He’s obviously only going to be a small part if he’s in it all since all the main actors roles are known and none of them are Dennis and he’s not in the trailer. I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s in 1 scene or something but who knows might not be in it at all. Guessing no one has confirmed either way yet? Or maybe never learn not to love or another BB song will be on the soundtrack...

The world would have been a better place if Dennis had killed Manson.

He'd be in jail. Btw, agree re: Tarantino = great film-maker.

Was that Jim Carrey playing Manson?

They didn't mention Carrey in trailer, doesn't look like he either. It'd be huge miscast if he played Manson.

No, it's Damon Herriman. Apparently, he will also play Manson in the Netflix show Mindhunter.

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0380632/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t8 (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0380632/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t8)

I saw the movie last night. I thought it was great. There is one passing reference made (by the Manson character) to Terry and Dennis Wilson here but that's it. Otherwise, there is no mention of The Beach Boys. There is also only one scene with Charles Manson in it. While the Manson family and the Tate murder plays a big role in the film, Charles Manson himself plays a very minor role. He's talked about a few times. But it's not a Manson movie.

I too saw it last night, and absolutely loved it.  It's Tarantino, so it's not without its...issues...but for people who love the idea of Los Angeles in the 60s, it's going to push those buttons.  While it's true that there is minimal reference to the Dennis, It's so easy in your head to connect the zeitgeist of the Beach Boys world to the zeitgeist of the film.  You can imagine the Boys prepping Sunflower just a quick drive down Beverly Glen and over to Bel Air on Sunset.

As for the Manson aspect, it is definitely not a Charles Manson film.  Without giving too much away, while certainly the whole film is tied to things that happened for which Manson was likely a sine qua non, as it were, but the people and events are separated from him and not about him.

There's a lot more about the film I could say, but the main thing is that if you ever want to just ride around LA listening to Boss Hitbound records with the Real Don Steele on KHJ, this is for you.

Dennis is mentioned once by name by Manson when he is outside the house looking for Dennis and Terry Melcher. Scene is set sometime before the infamous night.  Manson of course, was not at the house that night. I didn't hear NLNHTL in soundtrack, but perhaps it is there. Wild and fun film. The ending is...

It is definitely for me then, since I have been wanting to do that for a long time.  ;D

I will be seeing the film soon, after catching Echo In The Canyon last weekend. I was put off by a few negative reviews, and the trailers seem more than a bit deceptive, as both Manson and Sharon Tate are featured prominently in the trailers yet from what I've heard Tate's character has little to say in the film and as written above Manson barely plays a role other than being the undercurrent of the plot...so I questioned why the Manson/Tate elements were so prominently used to advertise the film.

But I will see it and report back once I do. And one day I will be driving around LA with my collection of KHJ airchecks blasting in the car...bucket list material, right there.  :)

Why? 'Cause that's how Hollyweird promotion works...whatever it takes to get tickets sold, exploit the hell out of that in the trailer. That's why catchy songs that don't appear at all in the actual features are sometimes used in the trailers, and why people with big names but relatively very small parts are often featured prominently in the promos. There's been a fair amount of interest in Manson and Tate all along, resurging again in the last few years, so of course that theme will get exploited.

Well yes, I understand that  :lol . But nearly every trailer for this film has made it seem like the Manson and Tate characters are a main focus, and one review I read kind of slammed Tarantino for *not* having the Tate character play more of a role...or even say that much in terms of dialogue. That was a red flag. Kind of felt like false advertising, but as you say, Hollywood is built on false advertising.  ;D

I will say that it is true that the Tate character doesn't have much dialogue but she's a big part of the movie. She doesn't have quite the same amount of screen time as DiCaprio or Pitt but she is a major presence in the film.

Interesting that c-man should mention "catchy songs that don't appear at all in the actual features" because I was waiting for a long time for the Mamas & Papas "Straight Shooter" to come on, given how the riff was repeated in one of the early trailers. In the end, the song is featured later in the film but that recording isn't.

However, the music in the film is great. In fact, there are many scenes where people just drive and listen to the radio.

EDIT: And I commented after how it was great seeing that movie right after Echo in the Canyon, which was the previous film I saw in the theatre. They are great companion pieces.

Regardless of the amount of dialogue or limited screen time these characters have in the movie, they are integral to the idea of a shifting Hollywood, and the role that the main characters find themselves playing in changing times. Tate, and Bruce Lee especially are great characters to reflect the Hollywood structure - they are in the upswing of their careers, unlike Dalton and Booth, but like these guys, won't ultimately achieve their Hollywood dreams.

And the Manson tie in really does work, especially with the Ranch scene.

Great reading of the film!

I haven’t seen the film, but will, so only have the reviews to go by, but I am glad the story appears to be LA and Hollywood in 1969. Manson has had more than his share of screen time either in documentary and movie/TV depiction. The standout from what clips I have seen is the recreation of the period and the back story. Being a QT movie is icing on the cake.

Not seeing more of Manson is a plus.

As someone who grew up in early-seventies Southern California ( I was around in the summer of 1969, but only a year old), this was an OUTSTANDING period piece. The radio ads, the KHJ jingles, the billboards, the ads on the RTD (yeah, they got that right) buses, the tv station call letters, just the entire feel of that time period in LA was perfectly captured. I'm not a huge DiCaprio fan , but he was outstanding in this movie.

The one guy I was hoping would get more screen time was Damien Lewis, as Steve McQueen.

Count me among those who is glad this is *not* a Manson movie, especially after reading the reviews here. But seriously, going back to even the title of this thread and the topic title, the promotions and marketing of it didn't do very much to point out this was not a Manson movie and was more of a period piece, in fact as we were saying the Manson stuff was what was being used to attract attention. I think even some reviews I've read assumed going in that it was a Manson/Tate film, and took points off the movie when Sharon Tate wasn't more of a featured character on screen.

If it truly is more of a late 60's LA period piece, complete with KHJ playing on the radios, count me in.

I can see that but I do think that this trailer which was given in this thread is a pretty good representation of the movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IilE3l2GeiQ&feature=youtu.be

Again, Manson barely appears as a character in the film but the Tate murders and the Manson family are still a big part of the movie and I do think they needed to impart that somehow in the ads. I don't want to say too much about that though because to discuss it too much would be to give away a lot.

I think the thing that makes it "not a Manson movie" is that the Mansonistic elements of the plot are not there per se, or to act as a telling of a Manson story, but so to be emblematic of what was happening in Hollywood.  Joan Didion's disquieting piece in "The White Album" about how the Manson murders were a sort of inevitable manifestation of the growing paranoia and discomfort in LA in the very late sixties is instructive to the conceit of the plot of the film; the movie isn't a Manson movie because its adjacency to Manson is not necessary to illustrate the tableau that Tarantino set up.  "The 60s" had to end--it was in fact untenable, and even without the Manson murders, it was still a violent end, no less full of dread without the Manson murders than with them, I think.

And I think that Tarantino brought some of that into the film as a convenient, satisfying, and highly symbolic way to say, you know, screw those people that ruined the 60s?  Not just the Manson family, but all of the many people and forces that could be accused of desecrating the experience of the ideal 60s Los Angeles that we all know wasn't real, but at one time was more real than it is now?

Saw the movie the other night. Such brilliant filmmaking that truly works on multiple levels.   At its most basic, it's a sendup of spaghetti Westerns (with a specific nod to 1968's "Once Upon a Time in the West") with the classic down-on-his-luck hero (DiCaprio) and his faithful sidekick (Pitt) in a western boomtown (Hollywood) taking on the gang of outlaws (Manson family) terrorizing the locals.  Truly inspired idea for a film.  The premise itself is ingenious, really.  And then throw in Tarantino's obvious love for the period and obsessive nostalgia for a better, more magical Hollywood... wow.  If anything ever truly deserved the Oscar for Best Picture, this is it.

Still haven't seen it yet, but will very soon...

And I was literally thrilled beyond words to randomly hear the soundtrack...They have original KHJ airchecks specifically of Real Don Steele as part of the song. The one I heard was Steele doing his usual *brilliant* intro to "Mrs. Robinson", and I literally had no idea the soundtrack was going to feature original KHJ recordings, no less the great Don Steele! His intro featured a classic Steele-ism, the phrase "Simon and Garfunkeling" used as a verb. Love it.

Anyone who knows me knows that for the past 15+ years going back to the old Smile board I've been a KHJ fanatic, in fact a few present and past posters have even gotten some CDR's from my neck of the woods. Check out Real Don Steele, beyond the movie, along with the other classic KHJ hosts like Robert W. Morgan, Humble Harve, Charlie Tuna, Bobby Tripp...it's the best damn radio you'll ever hear, KHJ in the 1960's.

Hearing that soundtrack took the movie up a thousand notches of anticipation for me after the lukewarm media reviews.

Reminded me too of buying the Pulp Fiction soundtrack prior to the movie's release, and loving the music but also trying to decipher what all the dialogue meant.  ;D

EDIT: The soundtrack itself deserves a Grammy, or Oscar, or whatever else...it's pretty amazing in that the majority of it is made from original KHJ radio broadcasts and airchecks, so you get to hear what the music sounded like live on AM radio, with jingles and all. Absolutely brilliant.

Its rating on Metacritic is 85%.

I saw this a few nights ago and I can't believe how people get sucked in by this hack Tarantino. This film is all over the place and there's really no story. It's like people are afraid to critique him because he's so hip. He takes the worst elements of past moviemaking and thinks he's elevating them to art. His depiction of Bruce Lee is pathetic and dead wrong, from the hairstyle to the attitude. There are these long scenes on the set of Lancer, a sh*t show from the late '60's that are downright confounding. I know this period of Hollywood very well and there is a great movie you could make about it , but this isn't it.

Tarantino is not a documentary filmmaker. He's substantially re-written and revised historical events in three of his last four movies.

"All over the place" and "no story" are critiques that I've heard leveled at some of the greatest movies ever made, so I have a very difficult time with those kinds of remarks. I remember sitting with a group of people watching There Will Be Blood in the theatre and heard one friend turn to another after an hour and say, "Is there any plot here?" I thought, you are watching one of the greatest movies of the last ten years, and this is your reaction?

Agree! The KHJ bits  are a genius add.

Not everyone is going to love every movie.  And that's fine.  Movies are like music, different strokes for different folks.  I actually don't care for most of Tarantino's films and frankly thought he had peaked with Reservoir Dogs.

With that said, the Lancer scenes are essential to this film as they not only help establish the Hollywood Western motif but also the Western cliché of the down-on-his-luck hero regaining his confidence in anticipation of the final showdown. 

I just can't get over what a staggeringly original, brilliant film this is.  Tarantino obviously latched on to the idea of the Manson family living on the Spahn ranch, the setting of many Hollywood Westerns.  Tarantino's genius here is in asking, "What if the Manson crowd actually collided with the world of Hollywood Westerns?"

This video was posted by the L.A. Times:


L.A. in the Time of Charles Manson (Full version)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnkGrK7dtb0


Gregg Jakobson also gets interviewed and of course Dennis gets talked about.

I know this has hardly anything to do with The Beach Boys but I must say that Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was another freaking masterwork by Tarantino! I went with my wife and two friends (a husband and wife) to see it and while they were not impressed, I walked out of the theater awestruck. And the awe has only grown in the time since. Really would like go see it again soon.

But my question has more to do with the soundtrack. Does anybody know what version of the Stones' "Out of Time" was used in that great scene near the end? It could possibly be the original version from Aftermath but I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I have a crap memory but I feel like it was the version with strings from Metamorphosis. Anybody know?

Also, when Denny was mentioned during the movie, of course I had to lean over to my wife and say something like, "yes, it's that Dennis Wilson." Which I'm sure she had already put together in her mind, but I love showing off The Beach Boys connection to anything and everything.

Strings version, and it was absolutely perfect for that scene

Brilliant, funny, sweet film.  Have seen it twice; excited about seeing it again.  The first time I just took it all in.  The second, I was able to take the ride with the characters and notice things I missed.  One was Cliff and Rick's drunken conversation about legendary action movie director William Witney.  Witney's son is a friend of mine and I got a huge kick out of texting him - "You have to see this now - they're talking about your Dad!"

Two emotional musical moments stand out for me among many:

1. California Dreamin' - a montage as the day - and the second act finish - as Tim Olyphant as actor James Stacy gets on his motorcycle and drives away from the studio... foreshadowing a later event in his life

2. Out of Time - another montage in the third act.  Musically and lyrically, a major emotional wallop for me.

LANCER was a hip and edgy western series for its time - so different from contemporary traditional western shows like GUNSMOKE, BIG VALLEY, THE VIRGINIAN, BONANZA, etc.

A perfect masterpiece.  A treasure.

Stones OUT OF TIME from their 1967 'Flowers' catch-all L.P.  That was a song they gave to Chris Farlowe

critics say the movie doesn't have a plot, they'll never get it.  It worked just terrifically for me as a fairy-tale, justifying its title

John Dykstra (yes THE John Dykstra) did the special effects, like when Bruce Lee left an indelible impression on a car door

An added plus for me is that the movie kind of kickstarted me into poking around into all the crazy stuff happening at the time, especially in terms of Manson, and how immersed he was in the scene, which of course, really makes a lot of Bugliosi's tight little story farcical.

Read an interesting story about Mark Lindsay and Terry coming up with Good Thing, sitting on the couch in Cielo, under the beam where Sharon would be tied up. And Mark walking into the kitchen one time while Terry and Dennis were conferring with some 'Suits' and seeing Charlie sitting on the floor against the fridge.

It also has me really looking into Mama Cass connections. An aside, I read that she swapped her gold record of Monday, Monday with Bruce for his Good Vibrations award, anybody know if that's true?

Completely agree! Just saw it yesterday and I can't stop thinking about it. I'm beginning to realize that it may be a favorite movie of mine now.

That 'Out Of Time' sequence was just phenomenal. And that "mechanical asshole" line had the entire theatre in tears laughing :lol

It's a phenomenal and engaging work of art, in my opinion. Funny, sad, outrageous, colorful. I love it and am kinda thinking about going to see it again before it leaves theaters.

Loved the film.  That ending was cathartic, though sad too as it wasn't (obviously) what really happened. 
Repeated viewings are in order.  Good on yer, Quentin.

... yeah. You've just described my experience walking out of just about any of my favorite films.

I went to movies in San Francisco, which I got back recently, to see this film. I give it 8/10. To begin with preface, I'm the type who doesn't care the slightest about these events, Sharon Tate means zero to this film viewer. It's sad she got what she got, little baby she bore but, I'm not attached/ angry about these 1969 events as many (say, youtubers with saying "possessed" things like "Hope he rots in hell". Funnily, nobody ever mentions the girls, so-called "Family" who ACTUALLY did these brutal murders. Instead, people discuss who's "the prettiest Manson girl").

Now the review. I didn't read anybody's, you'll excuse me if there's points being repeated written by other posters. 1st, I paid attn to music in car when they drive & thru the film. It matches, I think, lyrically to scenes depicted. But I don't give fig about lyrics, it's great song picks. Quentin, again, doesn't disappoint in music choice.

Actors - Brad Pitt is brilliant in each scene. Pitch-perfect casting choice. Everybody in supportings fits too. The guy playing Polanski did well in mannerisms dept: gimmicky & jittery. The little girl. Al Pacino. Luke Perry speaking with Leonardo in film-within-film excelled, natural. Kurt Russell. Dakota Fanning.

Big exception will be Leonardo Di Caprio who is, without doubt, miscast. He dressed like cowboy? Looked like idiot. Didn't make sense to see it. Boo! Besides, he tends to play his characters as if he plays them, doesn't live. He should better relegate to legitimate stage. Broadway etc.

Margot Robbie, when she went to cinema to see her latest film - they showed real Sharon doing comedy fight with the other girl (Asian of course) - looked much like Sharon, thanks to make-up people. & when she danced at party etc., it's easy to imagine Sharon being like that. Little caveat: Sharon is prettier than Margot.
Otherwise, the actress fit in well. Btw, didn't see her in previous films, "Once Upon..." is debut film I'd seen featuring her.

Quentin's film again shines at dialogs, there's many funny scenes, each Manson Fam scene got funny lines.  I frankly began to suspect that Quentin humiliates these people when Brad super-easily started beating their precious fam member, some guy who flatted his tire. The girls all gather, stand like true losers, total tools shouting at Brad, some girl even asked to call Tex, the guy riding horse smwr in backyard. But nobody even does anything to defeat Brad,they just shout in their togetherness, super-loyally. That's...it. Brad is like "Heh, shout all you like. I don't give flying fig, you stupid witches". Brad looked reaaally cool in each fight scene.

Such as with Bruce Lee. Again, you could easily picture real Bruce Lee to be about ego, smug, self-absorbed. In films he may look noble & into classy fights with classy-looking tricks, very serious to teach fight as art. But, posters where he stands with classic stand, black trousers & shirtless, you can see that he got quite star diseased. Thus, the actor who played him in fact paid nice credible tribute to him. Bruce's fam should be proud that he gets the nod in this day & age & who knows this film may get people to revisit or seek his films 1st time.
Brad again shows who's the boss in this fight, that he may be forgotten, old but still can kick like pro.

Final scenes = sheer coolness paired with hilarity. Generally like action in QT's films. Quentin spits at past & changes scenario by poking fun at Manson's gang, he lets loose.

Here, Sharon Tate doesn't die, folks. Instead, the would-be murderers end up victims. & during it, Leonardo just sat in pool rehearsing with headphones his lines to the next TV flick. & what does Sharon do? She meets these her neighbors that nearly got killed. Ha! Clever script with humor & cool bits.

L.A. is captured beautifully. Ritzy yet dishevelled city. Colorful film. Re: BBs connection - Charlie gets to the Tate house seeking desperately Dennis & Terry Melcher (I think, seen it 2 weeks back). Then gives rather interested look at Sharon when she stood at the door listening to the guys talking. Her friend said Terry (&/ or Dennis) don't live here, it's Tate house. Didn't rmbr if Charlie looked seriously mean when he got such answer. Not bad if too short acting but isn't convincing & frankly, that guy playing Manson doesn't look like leader who'd generate interest amongst youth, bring people around him. Maybe again, Quentin tried to paint these criminals in laughable way, that they look like buncha losers. I didn't see his interviews to back it - it's this viewer's theory.

Sold! Okay, I'll go and see it while it's still in the theaters

I've seen this wonderful film three times so far... to answer an earlier question, I can confirm the version of OUT OF TIME by the Rolling Stones used in the film is the stereo version with strings and had additional vocal overdubs, including a female vocalist buried in the mix.  I believe it was issued as a nine years later single in 1975:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp3FnulQ8R4

COMMENT to rab2591:  Perhaps Quentin Tarantino should do his homework. This old theory has been debunked by several eyewitnesses statements telling that when Manson appeared at the Benedict Canyon house, weeks before the murders took place, he was informed that Terry had moved out. Manson's motives for ordering the murders was motivated out of fear of the Black Panthers involvement in a drug deal gone bad.
~swd

Which is exactly what happens in the film. Indeed, that's precisely what's happening the one and only time Manson appears. The bit where Tarantino appears not to have done his homework comes later.

Yes, when he deliberately made Sharon Tate live (obviously he knows by now it ain't truth). Thus film ends happily in such way.

One word: FLAMETHROWER!!!  :pirate :pirate :pirate :pirate

Ha, yes, forgot. Di Caprio's character did it to end the crazy girl's screaming, she wouldn't die after dog biting her everywhere literally & being punched by Brad's character. So when Rick sat in pool rehearsing his lines via tape recorder & headphones, she ran away from house into pool & STILL kept screaming. Her jumping into water shook Di Caprio & he got scared like chicken & went into house with super powerful stick generating fire that he used during some scene in his previous TV work as Rick Dalton, in the beginning of "Once Upon...". He opened fire at that super-tough-to-kill girl & she burned like paper but, I think at 1st she still screamed or did it at last shut her up? Anyway, such OTT scene. Can't imagine everybody in it playing with straight face, bet the cast laughed 1st few takes.

The other scene I just remembered liking is when Rick/ Di Caprio got meltdown when he messed his lines, couldn't say it start to finish. He started shouting indecipherable things in his trailer, some things I could hear is him berating himself, yelling what loser he can be to forget lines when he went over & over those lines in his house, he rehearsed them repeatedly, yet still managed to forget. It was very OTT scene but worked, just like that OTT scene with the screaming girl, as per quoted above.

Hadn’t seen the movie yet... was NOT expecting to see it spoiled !

I’m going to see if there is any way we can add a spoiler tag for the board so the posts can be hidden until clicked.! I know other boards have that feature . I’m not the best when it comes to coding but I’ll figure out a way

I think best solution to not being spoiled is not read the reviews. It's up to everybody to write reviews as they see fit. I like writing long detailed reviews. Besides, one thing to read them & the other thing to see with your eyes what happens in screen. That's what I think. 2 cents FWIW.

[Spoiler] test [/Spoiler]

Dammit that didn’t work. I know there’s a way because I’ve seen it used for other forums although as the infrastructure on this board is almost twenty years old there may not be a way .  I’ll figure it out.

Mainly would like this So endings can be discussed for people who have seen movies can discuss endings , or if a new release is out and people who rather hear it fresh can do it. Someone had asked me about it before some years back and I’d forgotten

Like I said, BEST SOLUTION to not being spoiled is NOT READ THE THREAD till you've seen the movie. Plain & simple.

You can catch up with reviews later anyway. They will not run away, haha. It would save trouble & time instead of adding unnecessary "spoiler tags".

No...that was not my intent at all. It was more frustration because I tapped the wrong thread on my phone. No harm no foul, at least on my end. Wasn’t even trying to read this thread in the first place! 

I don’t think Spoiler tags are unnecessary though... I think it’s a feature that should’ve been a part of the board anyway because it’s a standard feature of many forums, and would help those of us who want to discuss movies or tv shows in the normal forum can discuss them without spoiling them, esp people who HAVE seen then & want to discuss them.  I *do* agree with you about not reading them. I’m just amazed that a standard feature of many other forums isn’t available here. It’s why I actually don’t read these types of threads until I’ve seen whatever it is in question

Thanks. Then I'll continue posting here as I see fit. I enjoy discussing & writing about films seen, it's sth. I like to do.

'kay. Next scene I really liked is when Rick (Di Caprio) & Cliff (Pitt) been enjoying film & discussing it in, I think, Cliff's mini-house. Just chilled watching TV & laughed at few scenes & pointed to some guy driving truck (?), saying he's great et al. Before it, they looked like colleagues but in this scene, I believe, is when they bonded like best buds.

I'm not sure that "Tarantino film ends in OTT bloodbath" counts as a spoiler.

2 William Bowe: Yes, it's trademark Tarantino.

Yes, usually when someone writes a review giving details instead of generalities (as in, "The ending will be a surprise" ), the reviewer will indicate with **Spoiler Alert** or some such. I was slightly miffed at first to see the spoiler and stopped reading that post. But it's okay. It sounds so far fetched that I'm curious how it comes about.

By "that post" you mean review I'd written?

I repeat this point 5th time or 10th time but when people don't want to be spoiled, they don't read early reviews - TILL they see it themselves. What's so difficult to understand it? It ain't rocket science. That way nobody will have to write, with asterisks to boot, "Spoiler Alert".

I'll continue posting in this thread. Lemme do that, please. Thank you. & Billy said by now it's been misunderstanding. Then it should be done deal.

Reviews of movies in theaters don't give away the ending of the movie. Go to Rotten Tomatoes - find a single review that says what happens at the end of the movie. You won't be able to find one.

So what? I don't care. So, I said Sharon Tate in this film doesn't die. What's the big deal? If need be, I'll say it again. Hate to be spoiled? Don't read new film review threads. It's 100% easy, safe thing to do.

1. This isn't a film review thread
2. You didn't write a review because reviews don't give away the endings of movies

Wha'? What I see here is film reviews. Check previous pages.
I'd written film review. Minus giving away the ending, it's review alright - i.e. things I liked about it, didn't like, observations etc.

Next thing I liked is Cliff's (Brad Pitt) dialog via 2 sides of the door with Squeaky (Dakota Fanning). I figured she didn't open it due to lie, that the guy Cliff asks isn't there at all & they live in that house without permission. Just took it. But then Cliff gets to the guy's room & he indeed sleeps, like Squeaky said. Not sure then why she couldn't allow Cliff to get in.  To not show what state the house is in (dirty sink in kitchen,dishes not washed)? But still fascinating scene.

I think her reluctance to let anyone in the house was more for tension (for the audience watching) more than anything.  In the end it turned out to be true.  The guy was sleeping and she didn't want him to fall asleep later when they were watching TV together.

Interesting theory but we'll respectfully agree to disagree. I didn't look at it like that. Basically, I agree with me about everything, *including* spoilers. I think spoilers are fun! It's fringe view but so what? I stand by it. Hate it if you wish, I don't give 2 flying figs. I literally couldn't care less about being soo serious about this spoiler thingy. ***major eyeroll*** I am individual, 1stly, I'll NEVER write "spoiler alert" as everybody. You just gotta deal with it, 'K?. I mean, why must I? It's free speech, I'll write reviews like I'm used to - detailed, describing scenes thru & thru etc.
It's not end of the world, for pete's sake. Quit twitching & fretting about it. You'd think people will appreciate my reviews, don't people like long reviews anyway? It's better than pointless useless one-liners (bgas, anybody? Ha).
I've very strong views about everything film/music-related. You gotta just accept it, hey.
This is film review thread. I posted film review. Makes sense? Exactly. Thus, I made VALUABLE THREAD CONTRIBUTION. :3d
Don't thank me for this brilliant speech. :police:

"Respectfully" agree to disagree.

"Respectfully".

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Hey folks, here's entire initial film review when I got back from San Francisco, it's been really nice vacation there. :3d

Enjoyable read! :) :) :3d