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Title: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on May 29, 2016, 05:51:22 PM
Just saw an announcement on Facebook regarding a new Beach Boys forum:

http://beachboys.boards.net/

I wish them well! 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on May 29, 2016, 06:42:44 PM
Just saw an announcement on Facebook regarding a new Beach Boys forum:

http://beachboys.boards.net/

I wish them well! 
Thank you. It came about due to actions that occurred here. I had to do something about that and so here we are. I wish you well, too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: yonderhillside on May 29, 2016, 08:56:42 PM
I'm choosing parents at age 12 all over again.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on May 29, 2016, 09:32:59 PM
And the assholes who were banned here are welcomed there with open arms.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on May 29, 2016, 09:36:09 PM
No justice in this world anymore...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 29, 2016, 09:38:56 PM
Finally, a place to exclusively talk about Pet Sounds!

I give it two years tops.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on May 29, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
All those racist shitkickers will get theirs in the end!

They're not really racist shitkickers, though.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 29, 2016, 09:45:32 PM
All those racist shitkickers will get theirs in the end!

They're not really racist shitkickers, though.


Just "F*ckwits & Sh*tweasels, With A Light Frosting Of Trolls" to quote a great man.


I'm kidding, they seem like alright people


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on May 29, 2016, 09:48:30 PM
They'll weed them out soon enough.

I smiled when OSD was smacked in the face with the banhammer


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 29, 2016, 09:49:43 PM
They'll weed them out soon enough.

I smiled when OSD was smacked in the face with the banhammer


With what?! A beach ball thrown by Mike Love?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on May 29, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
I think that would cause at least one Brianista to self-destruct or roll in the fetal position after numerous seizures.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 29, 2016, 09:52:54 PM
I think that would cause at least one Brianista to self-destruct or roll in the fetal position after numerous seizures.
...to sue for libel?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on May 29, 2016, 09:55:42 PM
I think that would cause at least one Brianista to self-destruct or roll in the fetal position after numerous seizures.
...to sue for libel?

Libel isn't libel unless you libel the libelous liberler! I know because our resident interlocutors told me.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 29, 2016, 10:05:11 PM
Quote from: drbeachboy
Good. Care even less, don't care at all. You have your own place now, and we have ours. You guys didn't want us there, so be happy that we're out of your hair. Now, get out of ours.
I wanted them here....


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Gertie J. on May 29, 2016, 10:20:35 PM
lol u guys into pissing match agayn


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on May 29, 2016, 10:45:51 PM
How do they know GF won't sign up under a different username and become a mod there too  ;D (complete the hat-trick)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on May 29, 2016, 11:05:41 PM
How do they know GF won't sign up under a different username and become a mod there too  ;D (complete the hat-trick)

That place would explode!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on May 30, 2016, 02:05:11 AM
This is much like what happened to the now-defunct Capitol Board in April 2010, when a bunch of us started our own site (still chugging along six years later). There are clear parallels (including the messages in tiny writing!) but major differences too (any banning that took place over there was a result of the move).

I only hope everyone here will eventually be as gracious about this development as Mr LePage.   


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 30, 2016, 08:44:23 AM
This is much like what happened to the now-defunct Capitol Board in April 2010, when a bunch of us started our own site (still chugging along six years later). There are clear parallels (including the messages in tiny writing!) but major differences too (any banning that took place over there was a result of the move).

I only hope everyone here will eventually be as gracious about this development as Mr LePage.   

We could become buddy boards!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on May 30, 2016, 10:17:20 AM
This is much like what happened to the now-defunct Capitol Board in April 2010, when a bunch of us started our own site (still chugging along six years later). There are clear parallels (including the messages in tiny writing!) but major differences too (any banning that took place over there was a result of the move).

I only hope everyone here will eventually be as gracious about this development as Mr LePage.   

We could become buddy boards!

We have had graphics and links to Bellagio and the Record Room.  Why not the Pet Sounds board, or the board that John K spoke of?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 02, 2016, 02:21:11 AM
About this new forum. After being graciously asked to join and having given the matter a great deal of thought, I have decided against it.

If asked for reasons (and there are several), I would name the overriding one, namely the presence there of a poster whose parting words here were quite simply despicable.

That said, I wish them well and time will tell how it all pans out, here as well as there. It's very early days, folks.

  


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: feelsflow on June 02, 2016, 08:38:17 PM
About this new forum. After being graciously asked to join and having given the matter a great deal of thought, I have decided against it.

If asked for reasons (and there are several), I would name the overriding one, namely the presence there of a poster whose parting words here were quite simply despicable.

That said, I wish them well and time will tell how it all pans out, here as well as there. It's very early days, folks.

  

I'm sorry to hear that, John.  It's a fun place.  You shouldn't let just several reasons keep you away. :p  You'll keep yourself busy anyway, you seem pretty busy to me.  But if you can, check in every once in awhile.  We're surely saying nice things about you.  That's why you were invited.  We love you.

You should give your forum it's own thread.  You work very hard on that site, I know you do.  You're putting up Birthday wishes for roving souls like me.  You make the world a better place.

I'll still be posting here.  I love Smiley. -Will


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Please delete my account on June 03, 2016, 01:02:39 AM
About this new forum. After being graciously asked to join and having given the matter a great deal of thought, I have decided against it.

If asked for reasons (and there are several), I would name the overriding one, namely the presence there of a poster whose parting words here were quite simply despicable.
  

Yes, that is a demerit, but fortunately it's easier to block people on there. As I do with the poster in question.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 03, 2016, 03:19:49 AM
I'm sorry to hear that, John.  It's a fun place.  You shouldn't let just several reasons keep you away. :p  You'll keep yourself busy anyway, you seem pretty busy to me.  But if you can, check in every once in awhile.  We're surely saying nice thinks about you.  That's why you were invited.  We love you.

You should give your forum it's own thread.  You work very hard on that site, I know you do.  You're putting up Birthday wishes for roving souls like me.  You make the world a better place.

I'll still be posting here.  I love Smiley. -Will

Thanks for those kind words, Will. I do check in at PS to see what's happening----quite regularly. So in that way, I'm in touch with it.

It's encouraging to see you and others still frequenting this forum. As for me, I really think two sites are enough these days. (Old age beckons, lol.)   


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 03, 2016, 05:19:14 AM
2 john: Who is that bad poster? Edit - China Pig?

We love you.
Yep, great song. :3d  I like Rolling Stones' 67 stuff.

I'll [...] be posting here. I love Smiley.
Ditto. Don't see the point posting the same stuff twice. & btw, if you'll be here why "sorry"? You can hang about with john here.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on June 03, 2016, 06:29:24 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 03, 2016, 06:58:34 AM
2 john: Who is that bad poster? Edit - China Pig?

Right. His parting shot was just about the lowest I've ever seen anyone sink anywhere.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 07:57:09 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Perhaps backing up your opinion, a statement from AGD just this morning on said forum:

"AGD: Learning about human nature via the boards is one thing. Then you have to address the problem. That's why Smiley Smile is imploding: ineffective modding and a mod who should have been relieved of his duties at least six months ago."

Now, that type of statement has earned two other members of that board bans.  I don't think AGD will be banned, even temporarily, for violating their rules.  Which, ironically, shows how effective the moderating here is:  the moderators are not afraid to justly and fairly and carefully take action against violators, no matter how "important" they are. 

You all have some of the best message board moderators you could hope for.  And despite the hopes and dreams of some, this board is not "imploding" anytime soon. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 08:53:19 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Perhaps backing up your opinion, a statement from AGD just this morning on said forum:

"AGD: Learning about human nature via the boards is one thing. Then you have to address the problem. That's why Smiley Smile is imploding: ineffective modding and a mod who should have been relieved of his duties at least six months ago."

Now, that type of statement has earned two other members of that board bans.  I don't think AGD will be banned, even temporarily, for violating their rules.  Which, ironically, shows how effective the moderating here is:  the moderators are not afraid to justly and fairly and carefully take action against violators, no matter how "important" they are. 

You all have some of the best message board moderators you could hope for.  And despite the hopes and dreams of some, this board is not "imploding" anytime soon. 
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 08:59:12 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Perhaps backing up your opinion, a statement from AGD just this morning on said forum:

"AGD: Learning about human nature via the boards is one thing. Then you have to address the problem. That's why Smiley Smile is imploding: ineffective modding and a mod who should have been relieved of his duties at least six months ago."

Now, that type of statement has earned two other members of that board bans.  I don't think AGD will be banned, even temporarily, for violating their rules.  Which, ironically, shows how effective the moderating here is:  the moderators are not afraid to justly and fairly and carefully take action against violators, no matter how "important" they are. 

You all have some of the best message board moderators you could hope for.  And despite the hopes and dreams of some, this board is not "imploding" anytime soon. 
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

Sure.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 09:08:29 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Perhaps backing up your opinion, a statement from AGD just this morning on said forum:

"AGD: Learning about human nature via the boards is one thing. Then you have to address the problem. That's why Smiley Smile is imploding: ineffective modding and a mod who should have been relieved of his duties at least six months ago."

Now, that type of statement has earned two other members of that board bans.  I don't think AGD will be banned, even temporarily, for violating their rules.  Which, ironically, shows how effective the moderating here is:  the moderators are not afraid to justly and fairly and carefully take action against violators, no matter how "important" they are. 

You all have some of the best message board moderators you could hope for.  And despite the hopes and dreams of some, this board is not "imploding" anytime soon. 
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

Sure.
;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 09:11:55 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Perhaps backing up your opinion, a statement from AGD just this morning on said forum:

"AGD: Learning about human nature via the boards is one thing. Then you have to address the problem. That's why Smiley Smile is imploding: ineffective modding and a mod who should have been relieved of his duties at least six months ago."

Now, that type of statement has earned two other members of that board bans.  I don't think AGD will be banned, even temporarily, for violating their rules.  Which, ironically, shows how effective the moderating here is:  the moderators are not afraid to justly and fairly and carefully take action against violators, no matter how "important" they are. 

You all have some of the best message board moderators you could hope for.  And despite the hopes and dreams of some, this board is not "imploding" anytime soon. 
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

Sure.
;D

Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on June 03, 2016, 09:33:14 AM
Good God...all this us-versus-them is really driving home to me why this board has such a nasty reputation. 37!ws out.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on June 03, 2016, 09:36:06 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Yes, that made me want to shower with industrial strength bleach with a chaser of hydrogen peroxide.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 09:41:13 AM
Good God...all this us-versus-them is really driving home to me why this board has such a nasty reputation. 37!ws out.

Where did that happen here? Someone rightfully brought up the fact that despite the rules, this "us versus them" mentality was in full force within days of Andrew's...oops, Lee's...oops, I mean Dirk's board going live, and those doing it were allowed to do it even though it was supposed to lead to a ban. So, this board gets a bad rep but some banned members are still allowed to duck the rules on a new board? Where are the bans! (he says banging a fist on the lectern...)

37!ws, maybe you're right after all! The nasty reputation of BB boards overall might just be due to that exact same behavior from the same people who must be immune to the rules.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 09:43:40 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Yes, that made me want to shower with industrial strength bleach with a chaser of hydrogen peroxide.



The upside is next time you'll remember to wear the hazardous materials protective suit...  ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Yes, that made me want to shower with industrial strength bleach with a chaser of hydrogen peroxide.


Rob, we had a talk last Sunday and as far as I am concerned, we understand each others position. If we are that terrible a place, then just stay here. This is where you are comfortable posting with other like minded people. Same goes for Marcella.... Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Yes, that made me want to shower with industrial strength bleach with a chaser of hydrogen peroxide.



The upside is next time you'll remember to wear the hazardous materials protective suit...  ;D
Even better, just don't come in. Just stay here where you are happy and content.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 09:47:25 AM
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

1) I baited no one, unless we define baiting as existing and breathing.
2) Due to the limitations of the "shoutbox," my question has scrolled away, but as I recall, the only question I asked was if the board's data could be backed up, since its existence is dependent on ProBoards not disappearing someday.
3) I did make a statement, not a question, regarding the behavior of people online, which inspired AGD to break one of major guidelines of the Pet Sounds forum, which is to not discuss the Smiley Smile board.  Keep in mind, I never even mentioned this forum over there.  But, I'm being threatened with a ban, and AGD is not.  Perhaps I am not important enough?  Or maybe you can't ban, even temporarily, the one person the board was created for?
4) Folks have always had a choice to be or not to be on any particular message board.  It's not as if this has ever been the only Beach Boys forum or music forum.  It is true, however, that for now, the "folks" that have consistently been removed from Beach Boys forums have a place to talk to each other.  For that, they should be very grateful to you for.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 09:50:14 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Yes, that made me want to shower with industrial strength bleach with a chaser of hydrogen peroxide.


Hydrogen peroxide reminds of why I am grateful to AGD for starting the new board.  It's like HP in the sense that it has and continues to draw an infection out of this board.  Much like previous times, the drama and bad behavior is being sucked out, so that the board can heal and be stronger than ever.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 03, 2016, 09:50:23 AM
Honestly, it's for the best. Maybe we can have two peaceful boards of like-minded people.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 09:50:58 AM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Did he say that he really doesn't have a beard?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 09:52:15 AM
True, very true: At least there is a separate place for those who want to hang with like-minded people who deal in insults, lies, and slander:

Once last word before I bid you all farewell.
Craig, you are the most overbearing, blowhard, bellend I have ever come across.
Debbie, Brian dumped your saggy ass decades ago- move on.
Rab, NPP is still a big steaming pile of dogshit.
Billy, have fun in your sheltered accomodation, loser.

See you all under my next alias
MB.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on June 03, 2016, 09:53:08 AM
I will probably continue to lurk there, but the fact that so many people there are so welcoming to a handful of Really Bad Eggs who were ejected from this message board for Very Good Reasons-- some of whom have been accused of maliciously spreading untruths, others who are simply terrible, terrible people-- makes me feel icky. All the backslapping and tribalism grosses me out.

Yes, that made me want to shower with industrial strength bleach with a chaser of hydrogen peroxide.


Rob, we had a talk last Sunday and as far as I am concerned, we understand each others position. If we are that terrible a place, then just stay here. This is where you are comfortable posting with other like minded people. Same goes for Marcella.... Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything.

I was referring to my initial reaction last weekend.  I have no clue what has transpired there since.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 09:53:22 AM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Did he say that he really doesn't have a beard?

 :lol  Reminds me of ZZ Top, the band member named Beard is the only band member without a beard.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 10:18:30 AM
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

1) I baited no one, unless we define baiting as existing and breathing.
2) Due to the limitations of the "shoutbox," my question has scrolled away, but as I recall, the only question I asked was if the board's data could be backed up, since its existence is dependent on ProBoards not disappearing someday.
3) I did make a statement, not a question, regarding the behavior of people online, which inspired AGD to break one of major guidelines of the Pet Sounds forum, which is to not discuss the Smiley Smile board.  Keep in mind, I never even mentioned this forum over there.  But, I'm being threatened with a ban, and AGD is not.  Perhaps I am not important enough?  Or maybe you can't ban, even temporarily, the one person the board was created for?
4) Folks have always had a choice to be or not to be on any particular message board.  It's not as if this has ever been the only Beach Boys forum or music forum.  It is true, however, that for now, the "folks" that have consistently been removed from Beach Boys forums have a place to talk to each other.  For that, they should be very grateful to you for.
Ok, you made a STATEMENT, that is correct. My humble apology for calling it a QUESTION. Andrew responded to it in kind. I still think you were baiting and got the response you were expecting. Shoot, you even posted it here. So, no other action is necessary.

As I stated here last weekend, indeed, the forum was created for those who no longer had a voice in here, but also for any Beach Boys fan who wanted an alternate place to post. We now share quite a few members after less than a week. So, it turns out that having an alternate forum was appealing to the membership.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 03, 2016, 10:25:35 AM
Honestly, it's for the best. Maybe we can have two peaceful boards of like-minded people.


Agreed


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 10:27:09 AM
Sadly, you will find that putting the bad eggs "who no longer had a voice in here" in a new refrigerator will not make them any less bad.  And, while I regret they made choices that made them not welcome here, I do not regret that this refrigerator is cleaner and fresher.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 10:28:42 AM
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

1) I baited no one, unless we define baiting as existing and breathing.
2) Due to the limitations of the "shoutbox," my question has scrolled away, but as I recall, the only question I asked was if the board's data could be backed up, since its existence is dependent on ProBoards not disappearing someday.
3) I did make a statement, not a question, regarding the behavior of people online, which inspired AGD to break one of major guidelines of the Pet Sounds forum, which is to not discuss the Smiley Smile board.  Keep in mind, I never even mentioned this forum over there.  But, I'm being threatened with a ban, and AGD is not.  Perhaps I am not important enough?  Or maybe you can't ban, even temporarily, the one person the board was created for?
4) Folks have always had a choice to be or not to be on any particular message board.  It's not as if this has ever been the only Beach Boys forum or music forum.  It is true, however, that for now, the "folks" that have consistently been removed from Beach Boys forums have a place to talk to each other.  For that, they should be very grateful to you for.
Ok, you made a STATEMENT, that is correct. My humble apology for calling it a QUESTION. Andrew responded to it in kind. I still think you were baiting and got the response you were expecting. Shoot, you even posted it here. So, no other action is necessary.

As I stated here last weekend, indeed, the forum was created for those who no longer had a voice in here, but also for any Beach Boys fan who wanted an alternate place to post. We now share quite a few members after less than a week. So, it turns out that having an alternate forum was appealing to the membership.

Bullshit.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 03, 2016, 10:35:38 AM
I think there are 'bad eggs' on both sides of this ridiculous feud. Then there are a bunch of people who are just exasperated.
I think there are still bad eggs here and now there are some over there. But, I think the bad eggs are sorting themselves by opinion and won't have anyone to quarrel with, because they'll agree with each other.
So as long as they don't keep cross-boarding and flaming, peace can reign.

Right now, there are some exasperated middle-grounders at that board because they associate the stupid battle with this board. But with time the middle-grounders can sort themselves with the bad eggs that bother them the least.

So, hopefully, there will be one board with one group of bad eggs and the middle-grounders who can tolerate them best.
And another board with a different group of bad eggs and the middle-grounders who can tolerate that group best.

Unfortunately, middle-grounders can't have a happy place where they're all together, because middle-grounders don't usually support a lot of banning, so bad eggs show up and stir up divisions.

For those thinking - gee, Emily is hardly a middle-grounder - that's totally true with regard to politics, but not with regard to Beach Boys. And I'd be fine if political discussion was banned altogether but if others are going to post their political stuff, I'm going to respond. So, I'm a political bad egg, but not a BB bad egg.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 10:39:00 AM
Emily, I appreciate your point of view, but I don't think we mean the same thing when we say "bad eggs."  And this isn't a "stupid battle", it's not a battle at all.  Mostly, at this point, it's making sure that mis-perceptions and lies are not accepted as history and facts.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: adamghost on June 03, 2016, 10:43:35 AM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Did he say that he really doesn't have a beard?

 :lol  Reminds me of ZZ Top, the band member named Beard is the only band member without a beard.

I was just thinking that too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 10:57:45 AM
First off, that is my business what gets done at Pet Sounds, not yours. Secondly, you started it by baiting people in Shoutbox yesterday. When you bait people, then expect a reply. If you weren't prepared for an answer, then you should have never posed the question in the first place. That may certainly earn you a ban if I see it happen again.
If you are happy with your Moderators, then that is absolutely terrific. You have things here just as you want them. I am very happy for you. We now have things the way we want them on our board. I am very happy with the Moderators at the Pet Sounds Forum. They will do a fantastic job in there, and already have during the first week open. Folks now have a choice where they want to go and hang out.

1) I baited no one, unless we define baiting as existing and breathing.
2) Due to the limitations of the "shoutbox," my question has scrolled away, but as I recall, the only question I asked was if the board's data could be backed up, since its existence is dependent on ProBoards not disappearing someday.
3) I did make a statement, not a question, regarding the behavior of people online, which inspired AGD to break one of major guidelines of the Pet Sounds forum, which is to not discuss the Smiley Smile board.  Keep in mind, I never even mentioned this forum over there.  But, I'm being threatened with a ban, and AGD is not.  Perhaps I am not important enough?  Or maybe you can't ban, even temporarily, the one person the board was created for?
4) Folks have always had a choice to be or not to be on any particular message board.  It's not as if this has ever been the only Beach Boys forum or music forum.  It is true, however, that for now, the "folks" that have consistently been removed from Beach Boys forums have a place to talk to each other.  For that, they should be very grateful to you for.
Ok, you made a STATEMENT, that is correct. My humble apology for calling it a QUESTION. Andrew responded to it in kind. I still think you were baiting and got the response you were expecting. Shoot, you even posted it here. So, no other action is necessary.

As I stated here last weekend, indeed, the forum was created for those who no longer had a voice in here, but also for any Beach Boys fan who wanted an alternate place to post. We now share quite a few members after less than a week. So, it turns out that having an alternate forum was appealing to the membership.

Bullshit.
I don't give a rat's a** what you think. I left here personally to get away from you and what you turned this place into. So, be proud that you set all this in motion. Pump out that chest and pound it. ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 03, 2016, 10:58:29 AM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 11:00:08 AM
My own opinion: At least be honest about it. I can't speak for what happened before I became a moderator, but there seemed to be a lot of value to this board and the opinions expressed on it that went beyond its status as an independent forum for fans to talk. At various points there were efforts made to target certain members and a variety of posted comments as the reason why everything was bad. These efforts included multiple messages being sent to the moderators which amounted to trying to tell them - not suggest but almost demand - what to do and how to do it. This included what was presented as a third party request to have the moderators give a board member's personal contact info and location information - which is strictly confidential - to whoever or whatever this third party was, through another board member. What would lead to this? How many times was this done before? Fortunately all mods across the board agreed this was off the charts and totally unwelcome. I'm glad the mods who were in place did not agree to violate any other board member's privacy. It still strikes me as disgusting that such a request would even be considered, but such was the atmosphere.

When the attempts to shape the board and move things around according to what another member or members thought should be done, then the moderation of the board became the target. I happened to be the main target, for better or worse. According to what i heard some of the first posts to the new board were as of last week, I still am. Your friendly neighborhood "Super Moderator" on call, reporting for duty. Lies were told, a campaign to change moderation and moderators was launched, and attempts were made to discredit either me, or Billy, or Charles, or whoever was being blamed any given day.

When that failed, or when the attempts to discredit a mod or mods who weren't willing to toe whatever line it was they must have been expected to toe, the ball was taken from the court and the players carried it elsewhere.

So let's at least be honest about what was going on, and not promote something based on the bullshit that has been circulating.

When the plots failed, the plotters packed up and went elsewhere. That's fine by me, good luck with that and in a few cases of banned members now rediscovering a soapbox and an open mic to behave and act how they please free of even the basic rules of interaction with other people, good riddance. I just hope anyone involved in the new project with good intentions isn't being duped into believing things that aren't true, and not just duped but used. Hopefully that is not the case and no one will get harmed as a result. Because that's what too often happens if history is any indication.

I'm all for peace and harmony and coexistence in any aspect of life, but let's be honest about the issues at hand and not let honesty be swept under the carpet along with the inappropriate behavior that led to a lot of this in the past.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 03, 2016, 11:07:15 AM
Emily, I appreciate your point of view, but I don't think we mean the same thing when we say "bad eggs."  And this isn't a "stupid battle", it's not a battle at all.  Mostly, at this point, it's making sure that mis-perceptions and lies are not accepted as history and facts.
Fair enough. I'm sure there are many ways of thinking about the problems here. And my "stupid battle" comment was inflammatory, so I apologize. I'm pretty riled today. It was not a reference to the banning/mod/etc argument. It was a reference to the ongoing tension surrounding anything to do with Mike Love. Which I bring up because it's *my* peeve, so I was perhaps experiencing tunnel-vision.
I do see your point about differentiating between actual facts and innuendo.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 03, 2016, 11:19:20 AM
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I thought you told us all that you we're leaving this board, and now we've got all this. Please, for all concerned, make up your mind. Don't you have a bored, uh, I meant board to tend to 24/7 ???


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: HeyJude on June 03, 2016, 11:47:15 AM
Why do people who make a flamboyant, drama-filled exit from on online community always have to reappear, usually within very short order?

Regarding these boards, as far as I'm aware, it's not against the SS board rules to discuss *other* boards, at least in the "Sandbox", correct?

Make no mistake, too much "meta" discussion or discussion of other online communities is usually a bad idea. But if it's not against the rules, I don't see a problem in theory with talking about another board (pros, cons, the reasons it started, etc.). And if it's another Beach Boys related board, it's arguably on-topic as well.

As objective as I can be, I can say that if this new board had been created before one particular poster on SS left in a flurry of really nasty, personal insults only to be welcomed on that new board, that *one* fact alone would make that board look a lot better and less tainted from the outset.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 03, 2016, 11:55:38 AM
Regarding these boards, as far as I'm aware, it's not against the SS board rules to discuss *other* boards, at least in the "Sandbox", correct?

Correct.  We are not afraid to discuss the state of this board or any other board here in the Sandbox.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 03, 2016, 12:05:09 PM
Why do people who make a flamboyant, drama-filled exit from on online community always have to reappear, usually within very short order?

Regarding these boards, as far as I'm aware, it's not against the SS board rules to discuss *other* boards, at least in the "Sandbox", correct?

Make no mistake, too much "meta" discussion or discussion of other online communities is usually a bad idea. But if it's not against the rules, I don't see a problem in theory with talking about another board (pros, cons, the reasons it started, etc.). And if it's another Beach Boys related board, it's arguably on-topic as well.

As objective as I can be, I can say that if this new board had been created before one particular poster on SS left in a flurry of really nasty, personal insults only to be welcomed on that new board, that *one* fact alone would make that board look a lot better and less tainted from the outset.

Right, but that board and the fact that they "accepted" the unbearded one shows a desperate need for anyone to sign up. I doubt that they'll get the membership numbers they're looking for and will end up being more of a club for malcontents and whiners, especially the one running it. ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Lonely Summer on June 03, 2016, 12:26:26 PM
I will check it out, as I see some familiar names over there.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 03, 2016, 02:13:36 PM
I think there are 'bad eggs' on both sides of this ridiculous feud. Then there are a bunch of people who are just exasperated.
I think there are still bad eggs here and now there are some over there. But, I think the bad eggs are sorting themselves by opinion and won't have anyone to quarrel with, because they'll agree with each other.
So as long as they don't keep cross-boarding and flaming, peace can reign.

Right now, there are some exasperated middle-grounders at that board because they associate the stupid battle with this board. But with time the middle-grounders can sort themselves with the bad eggs that bother them the least.

So, hopefully, there will be one board with one group of bad eggs and the middle-grounders who can tolerate them best.
And another board with a different group of bad eggs and the middle-grounders who can tolerate that group best.

Unfortunately, middle-grounders can't have a happy place where they're all together, because middle-grounders don't usually support a lot of banning, so bad eggs show up and stir up divisions.

For those thinking - gee, Emily is hardly a middle-grounder - that's totally true with regard to politics, but not with regard to Beach Boys. And I'd be fine if political discussion was banned altogether but if others are going to post their political stuff, I'm going to respond. So, I'm a political bad egg, but not a BB bad egg.
Good post. And it's early in the game. The problem characters, be it troll, moderator or whoever will continue to do what they do.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 03, 2016, 02:41:32 PM
I have one and one thing only to say about all this. Regardless of what some people did or didn't do, or supposedly did or didn't do, I feel very uneasy and uncomfortable with all the bad mouthing of former members of this board. In my opinion it is "playing dirty". People broke rules, and as a result are no longer a part of the board. There is no need to kick somebody when they are down, so to speak. What they do or say on any other board is none of our concern.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 03, 2016, 03:36:22 PM
I have one and one thing only to say about all this. Regardless of what some people did or didn't do, or supposedly did or didn't do, I feel very uneasy and uncomfortable with all the bad mouthing of former members of this board. In my opinion it is "playing dirty". People broke rules, and as a result are no longer a part of the board. There is no need to kick somebody when they are down, so to speak. What they do or say on any other board is none of our concern.

I agree to an extant. ...for Adam 'Mike's  Bitch' Densborough to take that swipe, well, he can choke in a dick and die for all I care.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 03, 2016, 03:45:49 PM
I have one and one thing only to say about all this. Regardless of what some people did or didn't do, or supposedly did or didn't do, I feel very uneasy and uncomfortable with all the bad mouthing of former members of this board. In my opinion it is "playing dirty". People broke rules, and as a result are no longer a part of the board. There is no need to kick somebody when they are down, so to speak. What they do or say on any other board is none of our concern.

Is the badmouthing of this board and current members being done over there OK? Let's be honest about the whole thing if these cans of worms are going to continue to be opened outside this forum, with people badmouthing this place and its members on the new board or any other forum. If people want to go that route, expect a reply. If setting up a new forum was all about the music, then talk about the damn music.

It's a two-way street, if someone throws a sucker punch at me or anyone I know, they'll get one back twice as hard. No punches thrown to begin with, then we'll have, you know, world peace. Simple.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 03, 2016, 04:36:46 PM
Of course it's not ok. I'm just saying we should all "be the better man/woman" and not stoop to the kind of  childish insults and name calling that has been going on. Let's just let them do their thing, and we'll do ours. If you want to confront them, that's fine, but don't make it a board issue.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 03, 2016, 04:46:53 PM
Of course it's not ok. I'm just saying we should all "be the better man/woman" and not stoop to the kind of  childish insults and name calling that has been going on. Let's just let them do their thing, and we'll do ours. If you want to confront them, that's fine, but don't make it a board issue.
I'm all for 'live and let live' (duh, you've known me for some years lol) and I do wish most of them best of luck at their new board. I just have an issue with banned members coming back under a pseudonym just to further fan the flames. Of course, by doing so, he did show his true nature, so anybody who was on the fence by his homophobic bigoted ass getting banned, well, look who turned out to be right in the end?

That said, you won't see me sign up on their forum under a fake name and do the same thing. There's a lot I don't have (money, good health, patience) but at I least I have some damn self respect.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Alan Smith on June 04, 2016, 01:53:56 AM
Why do people who make a flamboyant, drama-filled exit from on online community always have to reappear, usually within very short order?

HeyJude - are you talking about Rab2591?  I don't think he's joined the PS Forum - cheers - A


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on June 04, 2016, 03:39:51 AM
On a different note..I don't get why they completely copied the layout of this board...chance to provide something different for the BB's community wasted.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 04, 2016, 04:18:57 AM
On a different note..I don't get why they completely copied the layout of this board...chance to provide something different for the BB's community wasted.
Ha! I like cats but not copycats. :police:  Then again, that board began what, shy of week?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 04, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
I have one and one thing only to say about all this. Regardless of what some people did or didn't do, or supposedly did or didn't do, I feel very uneasy and uncomfortable with all the bad mouthing of former members of this board. In my opinion it is "playing dirty". People broke rules, and as a result are no longer a part of the board. There is no need to kick somebody when they are down, so to speak. What they do or say on any other board is none of our concern.

Unfortunately, some people can't leave well enough alone and have joined said board. Paranoia, maybe? Seriously, if you're worried about what's been said on the other board, go have a look. Last time I visited there wasn't a thread about smileysmile.net


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: filledeplage on June 04, 2016, 09:08:57 AM
Why do people who make a flamboyant, drama-filled exit from on online community always have to reappear, usually within very short order?

Regarding these boards, as far as I'm aware, it's not against the SS board rules to discuss *other* boards, at least in the "Sandbox", correct?

Make no mistake, too much "meta" discussion or discussion of other online communities is usually a bad idea. But if it's not against the rules, I don't see a problem in theory with talking about another board (pros, cons, the reasons it started, etc.). And if it's another Beach Boys related board, it's arguably on-topic as well.

As objective as I can be, I can say that if this new board had been created before one particular poster on SS left in a flurry of really nasty, personal insults only to be welcomed on that new board, that *one* fact alone would make that board look a lot better and less tainted from the outset.

Right, but that board and the fact that they "accepted" the unbearded one shows a desperate need for anyone to sign up. I doubt that they'll get the membership numbers they're looking for and will end up being more of a club for malcontents and whiners, especially the one running it. ::)
OSD - who cares?  Back-in-the-day, I would have killed (maybe not "killed") to have a forum or at least people who actually knew the catalog (and not the greatest hits) to discuss the music.  We did not have that distinct advantage of a global forum to talk about the music.  It's America.  We have freedom of speech and association!  


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 04, 2016, 09:38:25 AM
I have one and one thing only to say about all this. Regardless of what some people did or didn't do, or supposedly did or didn't do, I feel very uneasy and uncomfortable with all the bad mouthing of former members of this board. In my opinion it is "playing dirty". People broke rules, and as a result are no longer a part of the board. There is no need to kick somebody when they are down, so to speak. What they do or say on any other board is none of our concern.

Unfortunately, some people can't leave well enough alone and have joined said board. Paranoia, maybe? Seriously, if you're worried about what's been said on the other board, go have a look. Last time I visited there wasn't a thread about smileysmile.net

I, for one, could care less what they do over there. I do believe that the doctor doesn't approve of members bringing the subject (SS) up.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 04, 2016, 10:21:26 AM
I do wish the people over there would not pop back over here to flame. You've got a sanctuary. Enjoy it. It looks pleasant. But allow it to be pleasant here too by not coming back here to cause trouble. People who want to post at both boards are fine, as long as they're not trying to create drama.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 10:50:00 AM
At least a few members who resorted to using alias accounts to post here have gone back to their own names.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 10:53:48 AM
I do wish the people over there would not pop back over here to flame. You've got a sanctuary. Enjoy it. It looks pleasant. But allow it to be pleasant here too by not coming back here to cause trouble. People who want to post at both boards are fine, as long as they're not trying to create drama.
Emily, no one from our board started this thread. Notice that there is plenty of bad stuff said about us, but none about you over there in any of the threads. Now, it was very nice of Chuck to announce that we opened, but all of the other negative stuff in here was started by folks who are not happy that we exist.

And yes OSD, I would rather not say negative things about this place. At this point there is no reason to. This was my home until until I felt unwelcome posting in here. Now, everyone can post where they feel most comfortable, whether it is here, there, or both places. It's all good!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
I do wish the people over there would not pop back over here to flame. You've got a sanctuary. Enjoy it. It looks pleasant. But allow it to be pleasant here too by not coming back here to cause trouble. People who want to post at both boards are fine, as long as they're not trying to create drama.
Emily, no one from our board started this thread. Notice that there is plenty of bad stuff said about us, but none about you over there in any of the threads. Now, it was very nice of Chuck to announce that we opened, but all of the other negative stuff in here was started by folks who are not happy that we exist.

And yes OSD, I would rather not say negative things about this place. At this point there is no reason to. This was my home until until I felt unwelcome posting in here. Now, everyone can post where they feel most comfortable, whether it is here, there, or both places. It's all good!

Again, bullshit Doc. I guess all the cracks about Super Moderators and the like from at least two banned members who are now there don't count? Just be honest and then we'll have, you know, world peace.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 11:00:28 AM
Doc: Keep allowing members to post sh*t about members here, moderation here, and moderators here, and your credibility as an admin will be ground down to the level of the other big name posters who thought they were above the rules.

It's great to have another craps game in town, but you should at least tell the other players that certain high rollers have a history of playing with shaved dice.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: adamghost on June 04, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
You know, I find that I often have a lot to say and really, really want to say it.  One thing I've learned, and continue to learn (since I don't always get control of this part of myself - one or two board members can attest to that) is that a lot of times to let a community flourish, you have to be willing to let people speak freely, and not react to every last thing making sure your point of view gets heard and holds sway.  Yes, it is my right to do so - but it tends to kill a conversation rather like the guy who won't stop talking at a party.  I have been that guy, many times.  I work every day to be a better listener.  I do this because I know it makes people around me more comfortable, I learn better from it, and I can help foster a better sense of community and harmony in so doing.  And because at the end of the day asserting myself is not that important.  I'm not that important, in the context of any one community, no matter how smart or well-informed I happen to be.  Sometimes I hear things I don't want to hear.  It hurts.  There's usually an element of unfairness to it, and also something I can learn from.  That's part of participating in a community.

As that concerns this board, or any other board:  Communities are about finding one's role, and being that guy.  And people will of course go where they feel most wanted and welcomed.  That is natural.

I will contribute to either board where I feel comfortable and have something relevant to say, and hopefully not contribute to drama in either place.  I do find more and more lately that the internet itself tends to bring out the worst in people.  I am not immune to this talking "at" people instead of talking "to" people.  We all have things we need to express - the internet frees us from the need to have face to face encounters and take in peoples' reactions or get clear what they are saying to us.  So my general bias at the moment is away from message boards and the internet in general.  If anyone wants to friend me on Facebook, I upload hiking pictures daily.  :)

That's my personal alpha and omega of my contribution to this thread.  If it strikes anybody as off-topic or not useful, feel free to skip.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 11:12:54 AM
You know, I find that I often have a lot to say and really, really want to say it.  One thing I've learned, and continue to learn (since I don't always get control of this part of myself - one or two board members can attest to that) is that a lot of times to let a community flourish, you have to be willing to let people speak freely, and not react to every last thing making sure your point of view gets heard and holds sway.  Yes, it is my right to do so - but it tends to kill a conversation rather like the guy who won't stop talking at a party.  I have been that guy, many times.  I work every day to be a better listener.  I do this because I know it makes people around me more comfortable, I learn better from it, and I can help foster a better sense of community and harmony in so doing.  And because at the end of the day asserting myself is not that important.  I'm not that important, in the context of any one community, no matter how smart or well-informed I happen to be.  Sometimes I hear things I don't want to hear.  It hurts.  There's usually an element of unfairness to it, and also something I can learn from.  That's part of participating in a community.

As that concerns this board, or any other board:  Communities are about finding one's role, and being that guy.  And people will of course go where they feel most wanted and welcomed.  That is natural.

I will contribute to either board where I feel comfortable and have something relevant to say, and hopefully not contribute to drama in either place.  I do find more and more lately that the internet itself tends to bring out the worst in people.  I am not immune to this talking "at" people instead of talking "to" people.  We all have things we need to express - the internet frees us from the need to have face to face encounters and take in peoples' reactions or get clear what they are saying to us.  So my general bias at the moment is away from message boards and the internet in general.  If anyone wants to friend me on Facebook, I upload hiking pictures daily.  :)

That's my personal alpha and omega of my contribution to this thread.  If it strikes anybody as off-topic or not useful, feel free to skip.

Hiking pictures? You should do some studio related daily posts too!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 04, 2016, 11:16:57 AM
I do wish the people over there would not pop back over here to flame. You've got a sanctuary. Enjoy it. It looks pleasant. But allow it to be pleasant here too by not coming back here to cause trouble. People who want to post at both boards are fine, as long as they're not trying to create drama.
Emily, no one from our board started this thread. Notice that there is plenty of bad stuff said about us, but none about you over there in any of the threads. Now, it was very nice of Chuck to announce that we opened, but all of the other negative stuff in here was started by folks who are not happy that we exist.

And yes OSD, I would rather not say negative things about this place. At this point there is no reason to. This was my home until until I felt unwelcome posting in here. Now, everyone can post where they feel most comfortable, whether it is here, there, or both places. It's all good!

Hi DrBB, I wasn't referring to only this thread and I wasn't referring to you or other posters who are coming here to discuss the matter or to defend themselves, though I'd like if everyone in the discussion would be willing to give just enough to lessen the anger. I have no problem with discussion, defense, nor with friendly cross-posting. There have been people who signed up there strictly to flame and there have been a couple who have come here to do the same. Please take my words not as a broadside, but as a hope that people can now be happy in their online environments and not have a need to cross-over just to make trouble. For you, I understand that this is about your board and you are engaged in a discussion about that; for that I have no criticism.

eta - there has been some comment at the Pet Sounds Forum referring to this board as a place of drama. That's what I'm hoping will end with the creation of the new board - or at least lessen. But it won't if people there come over here to contribute to drama, then stay there to have peace; nor of course vise versa. I know there are a few people there who really push my buttons, so I haven't signed up there; I don't want to engage in drama with them. It's a shame because I have a great liking for many of the people who are there and will miss interacting with them. But reduction of drama seems tantamount to me at this time.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
My issue is and has been let's be honest about the way things went down. Number one, it's not hard to do if people simply told the truth, and number two saying things that are untrue (or hiding behind aliases instead of saying things as the person everyone knows) puts a dark cloud of dishonesty over whatever is trying to be accomplished. Maybe that's OK with some, I wouldn't be surprised considering the history behind all of these issues.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 04, 2016, 11:35:29 AM
My issue is and has been let's be honest about the way things went down. Number one, it's not hard to do if people simply told the truth, and number two saying things that are untrue (or hiding behind aliases instead of saying things as the person everyone knows) puts a dark cloud of dishonesty over whatever is trying to be accomplished. Maybe that's OK with some, I wouldn't be surprised considering the history behind all of these issues.
Thing is that there are a lot of people with different motives and different experiences. So, there may be some specific instances of untrue things that you're thinking of, but those don't necessarily factor into each person's actions. So when you speak of "the truth," it may not be pertinent to everyone, and when someone doesn't know specifically what you're talking about, it can be interpreted as insulting to those who have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I'm going to add - there's a specific argument about moderation. It's mainly between you and Drbeachboy. I'm sure there are a lot of posters who agree with Drbeachboy and a lot who agree with you. And I think you are right that there are some false things being said about the moderation process here.

But, I think some people moved boards for different reasons. I would have considered moving myself if I thought the population there was one I'd get along with better than the one here, regardless of moderation. Moderation isn't my problem. So my problem isn't the only problem, but moderation isn't the only issue.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 12:07:12 PM
My issue is and has been let's be honest about the way things went down. Number one, it's not hard to do if people simply told the truth, and number two saying things that are untrue (or hiding behind aliases instead of saying things as the person everyone knows) puts a dark cloud of dishonesty over whatever is trying to be accomplished. Maybe that's OK with some, I wouldn't be surprised considering the history behind all of these issues.
Thing is that there are a lot of people with different motives and different experiences. So, there may be some specific instances of untrue things that you're thinking of, but those don't necessarily factor into each person's actions. So when you speak of "the truth," it may not be pertinent to everyone, and when someone doesn't know specifically what you're talking about, it can be interpreted as insulting to those who have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I'm going to add - there's a specific argument about moderation. It's mainly between you and Drbeachboy. I'm sure there are a lot of posters who agree with Drbeachboy and a lot who agree with you. And I think you are right that there are some false things being said about the moderation process here.

But, I think some people moved boards for different reasons. I would have considered moving myself if I thought the population there was one I'd get along with better than the one here, regardless of moderation. Moderation isn't my problem. So my problem isn't the only problem, but moderation isn't the only issue.

It's not strictly about moderation and it never has been, there are issues far beyond that, and that's why a lot of what's being said rings untrue if not dishonest. If that's being too obtuse, those who know what's going on will know what those issues are but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a public explanation.

The reason why moderation is being used so prominently as either an excuse, a reason, or even a justification is because the real issues are not what some would like to see public.

Just a year ago it was a few board members being blamed for the board going to hell and issuing lifetime bans was the elixir to fix everything, then there was the issue of negativity toward certain things being discussed, then it was something else, and prior to that it was whatever was the scapegoat at the time. Much of it was a means to an end that I don't recall anyone being willing to step up and identify. Then it became the moderation and moderators as the reason why all went to hell.

Ever hear the term "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks."? That floor under that wall is littered with things that didn't stick, namely because they weren't the real causes no matter how hard the effort was made to convince the board members that they were. When the "complain about and to the mods" thread didn't achieve the desired results, a new board shows up with a similar platform as this one, and a handful of banned members being lauded and welcomed back with open arms.

So the issues were not entirely what Dirk has been telling everyone they are or were, and the board was not set up entirely for the reasons being given. Maybe those involved are being duped as well, or maybe they were in fact given the full rundown, either way it's not honest to keep pushing this latest blame onto moderators when - unless Dirk simply has no idea what's going on or is being duped as others have been - the other issues are still present and accounted for.

Some people need a podium and microphone more than others and for vastly different reasons, if one venue cuts that mic they'll search for another venue to broadcast from.

Signed, your friendly neighborhood "Super Moderator", always vigilant.  :)  :lol  :p  ;) :o


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 12:12:42 PM
Doc: Keep allowing members to post sh*t about members here, moderation here, and moderators here, and your credibility as an admin will be ground down to the level of the other big name posters who thought they were above the rules.

It's great to have another craps game in town, but you should at least tell the other players that certain high rollers have a history of playing with shaved dice.


PSF is not SS, and we will run it our way. Everyone is rather happy without all of the drama. Plus, I believe what Emily stated above is true. You and I have our differences and that is fine, but everyone else who can move between the two sites has had free-will to move about as they please. No arm twisting, no bad mouthing. Strictly their own choice, as it should be.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 12:17:39 PM
My issue is and has been let's be honest about the way things went down. Number one, it's not hard to do if people simply told the truth, and number two saying things that are untrue (or hiding behind aliases instead of saying things as the person everyone knows) puts a dark cloud of dishonesty over whatever is trying to be accomplished. Maybe that's OK with some, I wouldn't be surprised considering the history behind all of these issues.
Thing is that there are a lot of people with different motives and different experiences. So, there may be some specific instances of untrue things that you're thinking of, but those don't necessarily factor into each person's actions. So when you speak of "the truth," it may not be pertinent to everyone, and when someone doesn't know specifically what you're talking about, it can be interpreted as insulting to those who have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I'm going to add - there's a specific argument about moderation. It's mainly between you and Drbeachboy. I'm sure there are a lot of posters who agree with Drbeachboy and a lot who agree with you. And I think you are right that there are some false things being said about the moderation process here.

But, I think some people moved boards for different reasons. I would have considered moving myself if I thought the population there was one I'd get along with better than the one here, regardless of moderation. Moderation isn't my problem. So my problem isn't the only problem, but moderation isn't the only issue.

It's not strictly about moderation and it never has been, there are issues far beyond that, and that's why a lot of what's being said rings untrue if not dishonest. If that's being too obtuse, those who know what's going on will know what those issues are but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a public explanation.

The reason why moderation is being used so prominently as either an excuse, a reason, or even a justification is because the real issues are not what some would like to see public.

Just a year ago it was a few board members being blamed for the board going to hell and issuing lifetime bans was the elixir to fix everything, then there was the issue of negativity toward certain things being discussed, then it was something else, and prior to that it was whatever was the scapegoat at the time. Much of it was a means to an end that I don't recall anyone being willing to step up and identify. Then it became the moderation and moderators as the reason why all went to hell.

Ever hear the term "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks."? That floor under that wall is littered with things that didn't stick, namely because they weren't the real causes no matter how hard the effort was made to convince the board members that they were. When the "complain about and to the mods" thread didn't achieve the desired results, a new board shows up with a similar platform as this one, and a handful of banned members being lauded and welcomed back with open arms.

So the issues were not entirely what Dirk has been telling everyone they are or were, and the board was not set up entirely for the reasons being given. Maybe those involved are being duped as well, or maybe they were in fact given the full rundown, either way it's not honest to keep pushing this latest blame onto moderators when - unless Dirk simply has no idea what's going on or is being duped as others have been - the other issues are still present and accounted for.

Some people need a podium and microphone more than others and for vastly different reasons, if one venue cuts that mic they'll search for another venue to broadcast from.

Signed, your friendly neighborhood "Super Moderator", always vigilant.  :)  :lol  :p  ;) :o
Craig, are you paranoid? I haven't said anything to anyone there, only what I posted here. Go ask them yourself. There are still many members who frequent both places. I have not mentioned this place, nor you at any time on the PSF board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 12:20:56 PM
Doc: Keep allowing members to post sh*t about members here, moderation here, and moderators here, and your credibility as an admin will be ground down to the level of the other big name posters who thought they were above the rules.

It's great to have another craps game in town, but you should at least tell the other players that certain high rollers have a history of playing with shaved dice.


PSF is not SS, and we will run it our way. Everyone is rather happy without all of the drama. Plus, I believe what Emily stated above is true. You and I have our differences and that is fine, but everyone else who can move between the two site has had free-will to move about as they please. No arm twisting, no bad mouthing. Strictly their own choice, as it should be.

The drama and potshots popped up in posts as soon as the board opened, Doc, and it showed up again in your Shoutbox just a day or so ago, so hopefully you'll take the necessary measures to get the members to follow the rules that were set up about bringing SS issues onto your board. And hopefully the rules will apply to everyone, much like a high roller can't bring his own decks of cards or dice into a casino to use at the tables while everyone else has to play by house rules.

If you haven't seen it yet, you probably will eventually. Watch for those shaved dice and marked cards.  ;D



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 12:28:26 PM
Doc: Keep allowing members to post sh*t about members here, moderation here, and moderators here, and your credibility as an admin will be ground down to the level of the other big name posters who thought they were above the rules.

It's great to have another craps game in town, but you should at least tell the other players that certain high rollers have a history of playing with shaved dice.


PSF is not SS, and we will run it our way. Everyone is rather happy without all of the drama. Plus, I believe what Emily stated above is true. You and I have our differences and that is fine, but everyone else who can move between the two site has had free-will to move about as they please. No arm twisting, no bad mouthing. Strictly their own choice, as it should be.

The drama and potshots popped up in posts as soon as the board opened, Doc, and it showed up again in your Shoutbox just a day or so ago, so hopefully you'll take the necessary measures to get the members to follow the rules that were set up about bringing SS issues onto your board. And hopefully the rules will apply to everyone, much like a high roller can't bring his own decks of cards or dice into a casino to use at the tables while everyone else has to play by house rules.

If you haven't seen it yet, you probably will eventually. Watch for those shaved dice and marked cards.  ;D


And those folks have been asked to refrain from doing so in the future. Myself, and the Mods there try to actually moderate our forum. We've only been open a week. Like AVIS, we try harder.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 04, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 04, 2016, 12:32:02 PM
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Craig, are you paranoid? I haven't said anything to anyone there, only what I posted here. Go ask them yourself. There are still any members who frequent both places. I have not mentioned this place, nor you at any time on the PSF board.

If he's being paranoid, it's justified...there are others besides Mike's Beard posting under different names here and  stirring the pot, including someone whom I thought much better of than to do that. Nothing to do with you, I'm just making mention.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 12:38:27 PM
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Craig, are you paranoid? I haven't said anything to anyone there, only what I posted here. Go ask them yourself. There are still any members who frequent both places. I have not mentioned this place, nor you at any time on the PSF board.

If he's being paranoid, it's justified...there are others besides Mike's Beard posting under different names here and  stirring the pot, including someone whom I thought much better of than to do that. Nothing to do with you, I'm just making mention.
Billy, that is here. That was your's and Craig's job to catch him, not mine. I had no idea that was even going on until the very end. With everyone changing their names in here so much, I rarely knew who was who. I still don't for most people.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 12:45:27 PM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".
You can feel however you want, but 90% of our membership belong to both places. If you feel funny about that many of the members then I suppose you would feel the same about them here, no?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 04, 2016, 12:56:37 PM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".
You can feel however you want, but 90% of our membership belong to both places. If you feel funny about that many of the members then I suppose you would feel the same about them here, no?
Actually, the only member that I can honestly say I have  an overly negative view of is Mike's Beard. As for the others, I'm not privy to the exact circumstances of their banning from this board to have enough reason to not want.them here.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 01:02:45 PM
I don't give a rat's a** what you think. I left here personally to get away from you and what you turned this place into. So, be proud that you set all this in motion. Pump out that chest and pound it. ;)

Was this accurate, Doc? I'm going by what I'm told and what I read from the source. If the admin of a new board says I'm the one who set it in motion, I guess that's why the new board was set up.

But...we know there are other reasons behind the scenes, right? Inspector Clouseau on a bad day could sniff those out. A microphone got turned off at one club and the speakers got bounced, so those who might need such a mic and podium had to find another place to broadcast. Lo and behold, a new club opened its doors.

(Just as a maintenance tip, if the new board has a PM function make sure you keep its gears well greased, it really gets a workout when topics start getting a little too hot and need to be fixed privately...)

And I must not be the only paranoid one if other reports are coming in that there was a perceived sense of negativity and hostility on the new board toward this one. If as you said I was part of the catalyst in starting a new board, maybe I'm to blame for that perceived negativity too.  :)

If it rains on a picnic tomorrow, I'll gladly man up and take responsibility for the foul weather too, in advance.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 04, 2016, 01:06:18 PM
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Craig, are you paranoid? I haven't said anything to anyone there, only what I posted here. Go ask them yourself. There are still any members who frequent both places. I have not mentioned this place, nor you at any time on the PSF board.

If he's being paranoid, it's justified...there are others besides Mike's Beard posting under different names here and  stirring the pot, including someone whom I thought much better of than to do that. Nothing to do with you, I'm just making mention.
Billy, that is here. That was your's and Craig's job to catch him, not mine.

Like I said, nothing to do with you, I was just making mention.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 01:09:45 PM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".
You can feel however you want, but 90% of our membership belong to both places. If you feel funny about that many of the members then I suppose you would feel the same about them here, no?
Actually, the only member that I can honestly say I have  an overly negative view of is Mike's Beard. As for the others, I'm not privy to the exact circumstances of their banning from this board to have enough reason to not want.them here.
Ok. Sorry, I misunderstood your meaning. So, only one person who you had yet to encounter there made you feel unwelcome? I thought maybe a few folks were were getting on you or something after you posted. I mean, if you have an issue with a particular person, I understand that perfectly. Just glad to hear that you weren't mistreated by anyone while you were in PSF.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 01:15:54 PM
Catch him is more like catch *them*. As in the active members who posted using aliases and separate accounts instead of posting as who we all know them going back years and from literally thousands of previous posts. I'm still stunned and saddened to see how that played out.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 04, 2016, 01:20:01 PM
Just glad to hear that you weren't mistreated by anyone while you were in PSF.

Good luck walking on the eggshells around that issue...let's see how fast those bans come down if anything even close to what happened here starts going down. :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 04, 2016, 01:21:51 PM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".
You can feel however you want, but 90% of our membership belong to both places. If you feel funny about that many of the members then I suppose you would feel the same about them here, no?

I should probably try to sign up then.  I mean the name of the board is "Pet Sounds," - like David Leaf's famous old newsletter (a person many of the members who moved there have trashed over the years, since his book screws up the current history re-write).  And then there's Brian's current tour named after his outstanding creation.  That choice of names must have given some people a chuckle - to hijack that name and possibly pick up some of the related BW traffic.  It should probably be really friendly to a Brianista like me, right?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 04, 2016, 01:23:55 PM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".
You can feel however you want, but 90% of our membership belong to both places. If you feel funny about that many of the members then I suppose you would feel the same about them here, no?
Actually, the only member that I can honestly say I have  an overly negative view of is Mike's Beard. As for the others, I'm not privy to the exact circumstances of their banning from this board to have enough reason to not want.them here.
Ok. Sorry, I misunderstood your meaning. So, only one person who you had yet to encounter there made you feel unwelcome? I thought maybe a few folks were were getting on you or something after you posted. I mean, if you have an issue with a particular person, I understand that perfectly. Just glad to hear that you weren't mistreated by anyone while you in PSF.
I actually haven't joined. I meant that a few people over there give me the vibe that they wouldn't be to happy with SS members joining, simply because they would be  considered  "one of them"( I.e. one of a group of people driving people away, forcing them to create their own place.). I didn't mean to single myself out personally as one who would be unwelcome. I just meant that a certain few over at PSF can make a guy nervous over whether it's ok to "join their club". Did any of that make sense?  :lol
Thanks for the concern, though.  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 04, 2016, 01:27:37 PM
Just glad to hear that you weren't mistreated by anyone while you were in PSF.

Good luck walking on the eggshells around that issue...let's see how fast those bans come down if anything even close to what happened here starts going down. :lol
Thanks!  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 04, 2016, 01:50:05 PM
My issue is and has been let's be honest about the way things went down. Number one, it's not hard to do if people simply told the truth, and number two saying things that are untrue (or hiding behind aliases instead of saying things as the person everyone knows) puts a dark cloud of dishonesty over whatever is trying to be accomplished. Maybe that's OK with some, I wouldn't be surprised considering the history behind all of these issues.
Thing is that there are a lot of people with different motives and different experiences. So, there may be some specific instances of untrue things that you're thinking of, but those don't necessarily factor into each person's actions. So when you speak of "the truth," it may not be pertinent to everyone, and when someone doesn't know specifically what you're talking about, it can be interpreted as insulting to those who have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I'm going to add - there's a specific argument about moderation. It's mainly between you and Drbeachboy. I'm sure there are a lot of posters who agree with Drbeachboy and a lot who agree with you. And I think you are right that there are some false things being said about the moderation process here.

But, I think some people moved boards for different reasons. I would have considered moving myself if I thought the population there was one I'd get along with better than the one here, regardless of moderation. Moderation isn't my problem. So my problem isn't the only problem, but moderation isn't the only issue.

It's not strictly about moderation and it never has been, there are issues far beyond that, and that's why a lot of what's being said rings untrue if not dishonest. If that's being too obtuse, those who know what's going on will know what those issues are but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a public explanation.

The reason why moderation is being used so prominently as either an excuse, a reason, or even a justification is because the real issues are not what some would like to see public.

Just a year ago it was a few board members being blamed for the board going to hell and issuing lifetime bans was the elixir to fix everything, then there was the issue of negativity toward certain things being discussed, then it was something else, and prior to that it was whatever was the scapegoat at the time. Much of it was a means to an end that I don't recall anyone being willing to step up and identify. Then it became the moderation and moderators as the reason why all went to hell.

Ever hear the term "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks."? That floor under that wall is littered with things that didn't stick, namely because they weren't the real causes no matter how hard the effort was made to convince the board members that they were. When the "complain about and to the mods" thread didn't achieve the desired results, a new board shows up with a similar platform as this one, and a handful of banned members being lauded and welcomed back with open arms.

So the issues were not entirely what Dirk has been telling everyone they are or were, and the board was not set up entirely for the reasons being given. Maybe those involved are being duped as well, or maybe they were in fact given the full rundown, either way it's not honest to keep pushing this latest blame onto moderators when - unless Dirk simply has no idea what's going on or is being duped as others have been - the other issues are still present and accounted for.

Some people need a podium and microphone more than others and for vastly different reasons, if one venue cuts that mic they'll search for another venue to broadcast from.

Signed, your friendly neighborhood "Super Moderator", always vigilant.  :)  :lol  :p  ;) :o

But the problem is - to use me as an example that may apply to many people - I don't really know what you're talking about. You refer to secrets being kept, but I don't know the secrets. You may be right about causes and underlying things and even perhaps what causes my experience; but what my experience actually is, is that two sets of people have been battling since before I came. Mike Love seems to provide sort of the fault-line of that battle, but the specifics aren't always (often but not always) about him.
So my problems aren't directly to do with whatever the underlying stuff is. My problem is that all this quarreling, whatever it's about, is unpleasant. So, if people from one side of that fault line, and those who feel more comfortable with them, are on one board, and the other side of the fault line and those who are comfortable with them on another; and if the real fault line people stick to their own board and leave peace at the other, and the not-fault-line people move peacefully back and forth if they wish, from my perspective it all seems good. I can go to a message board and not encounter, nor feel drawn into, constant quarreling.
Given that, I'm not going to say that if some individuals have a problem with each other, they shouldn't be free to hack it out; but the implication that everyone is engaged in one way or another with that problem is untrue. If I had gone to the other board, it wouldn't have been because of whatever this underlying stuff is, it would simply be have been because I like some of the posters over there a lot.

There are a population of people here who have nothing to do with whatever this is about; and they shouldn't be branded.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 04, 2016, 06:44:42 PM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 05, 2016, 02:10:15 AM
The new forum is indeed quite negative about this place and the people here. I got the distinct impression that if I joined I would be unwelcome, simply because of the fact that I would be thought of as "one of them".
You can feel however you want, but 90% of our membership belong to both places. If you feel funny about that many of the members then I suppose you would feel the same about them here, no?
Actually, the only member that I can honestly say I have  an overly negative view of is Mike's Beard. As for the others, I'm not privy to the exact circumstances of their banning from this board to have enough reason to not want.them here.
Ok. Sorry, I misunderstood your meaning. So, only one person who you had yet to encounter there made you feel unwelcome? I thought maybe a few folks were were getting on you or something after you posted. I mean, if you have an issue with a particular person, I understand that perfectly. Just glad to hear that you weren't mistreated by anyone while you in PSF.
I actually haven't joined. I meant that a few people over there give me the vibe that they wouldn't be to happy with SS members joining, simply because they would be  considered  "one of them"( I.e. one of a group of people driving people away, forcing them to create their own place.). I didn't mean to single myself out personally as one who would be unwelcome. I just meant that a certain few over at PSF can make a guy nervous over whether it's ok to "join their club". Did any of that make sense?  :lol
Thanks for the concern, though.  :)

There are plenty of SS members there. I would suspect, despite the paranoid hyperbole, that only a few have had bans here. How many exactly, I wonder...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 05, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
One feature I noticed over there is that there is a 'banned members' section. Tells when the ban occured for what reason, and when it's lifted. Not that it changes anything in terms of how banning occurs, but still a good feature to have I think, in that it brings a bit of clarity to the process. :police:


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on June 05, 2016, 10:19:10 AM
I actually haven't joined. I meant that a few people over there give me the vibe that they wouldn't be to happy with SS members joining, simply because they would be  considered  "one of them"( I.e. one of a group of people driving people away, forcing them to create their own place.). I didn't mean to single myself out personally as one who would be unwelcome. I just meant that a certain few over at PSF can make a guy nervous over whether it's ok to "join their club". Did any of that make sense?  :lol
Thanks for the concern, though.  :)

I'm a member of both forums and have not once felt unwelcome on the Pet Sounds Forum. I think you might be a smidge paranoid about the whole thing, but hey...horses for courses.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 10:28:45 AM
I actually haven't joined. I meant that a few people over there give me the vibe that they wouldn't be to happy with SS members joining, simply because they would be  considered  "one of them"( I.e. one of a group of people driving people away, forcing them to create their own place.). I didn't mean to single myself out personally as one who would be unwelcome. I just meant that a certain few over at PSF can make a guy nervous over whether it's ok to "join their club". Did any of that make sense?  :lol
Thanks for the concern, though.  :)

I'm a member of both forums and have not once felt unwelcome on the Pet Sounds Forum. I think you might be a smidge paranoid about the whole thing, but hey...horses for courses.
I think you've got the precise qualities to be welcomed there, so that doesn't really establish anything counter to what Ognir Rrats says.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on June 05, 2016, 10:30:27 AM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 10:40:27 AM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
As I said above, even if a quarrel is not actually about Mike Love, there seems to be a fault line where one side of the quarrel will be people who frequently take a stance of defending ML and the other is people who frequently take a stance of criticizing him.
I think the bulk of the 'defending' people have moved there and the bulk of the 'critcizing' people have stayed here. Other people, of which there are many, have sorted themselves according to their comfort level with the individuals of those groups.
There are some people who could legitimately go back and forth without making waves in either place.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:00:35 AM
My issue is and has been let's be honest about the way things went down. Number one, it's not hard to do if people simply told the truth, and number two saying things that are untrue (or hiding behind aliases instead of saying things as the person everyone knows) puts a dark cloud of dishonesty over whatever is trying to be accomplished. Maybe that's OK with some, I wouldn't be surprised considering the history behind all of these issues.
Thing is that there are a lot of people with different motives and different experiences. So, there may be some specific instances of untrue things that you're thinking of, but those don't necessarily factor into each person's actions. So when you speak of "the truth," it may not be pertinent to everyone, and when someone doesn't know specifically what you're talking about, it can be interpreted as insulting to those who have nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I'm going to add - there's a specific argument about moderation. It's mainly between you and Drbeachboy. I'm sure there are a lot of posters who agree with Drbeachboy and a lot who agree with you. And I think you are right that there are some false things being said about the moderation process here.

But, I think some people moved boards for different reasons. I would have considered moving myself if I thought the population there was one I'd get along with better than the one here, regardless of moderation. Moderation isn't my problem. So my problem isn't the only problem, but moderation isn't the only issue.

It's not strictly about moderation and it never has been, there are issues far beyond that, and that's why a lot of what's being said rings untrue if not dishonest. If that's being too obtuse, those who know what's going on will know what those issues are but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a public explanation.

The reason why moderation is being used so prominently as either an excuse, a reason, or even a justification is because the real issues are not what some would like to see public.

Just a year ago it was a few board members being blamed for the board going to hell and issuing lifetime bans was the elixir to fix everything, then there was the issue of negativity toward certain things being discussed, then it was something else, and prior to that it was whatever was the scapegoat at the time. Much of it was a means to an end that I don't recall anyone being willing to step up and identify. Then it became the moderation and moderators as the reason why all went to hell.

Ever hear the term "let's throw it at the wall and see what sticks."? That floor under that wall is littered with things that didn't stick, namely because they weren't the real causes no matter how hard the effort was made to convince the board members that they were. When the "complain about and to the mods" thread didn't achieve the desired results, a new board shows up with a similar platform as this one, and a handful of banned members being lauded and welcomed back with open arms.

So the issues were not entirely what Dirk has been telling everyone they are or were, and the board was not set up entirely for the reasons being given. Maybe those involved are being duped as well, or maybe they were in fact given the full rundown, either way it's not honest to keep pushing this latest blame onto moderators when - unless Dirk simply has no idea what's going on or is being duped as others have been - the other issues are still present and accounted for.

Some people need a podium and microphone more than others and for vastly different reasons, if one venue cuts that mic they'll search for another venue to broadcast from.

Signed, your friendly neighborhood "Super Moderator", always vigilant.  :)  :lol  :p  ;) :o

But the problem is - to use me as an example that may apply to many people - I don't really know what you're talking about. You refer to secrets being kept, but I don't know the secrets. You may be right about causes and underlying things and even perhaps what causes my experience; but what my experience actually is, is that two sets of people have been battling since before I came. Mike Love seems to provide sort of the fault-line of that battle, but the specifics aren't always (often but not always) about him.
So my problems aren't directly to do with whatever the underlying stuff is. My problem is that all this quarreling, whatever it's about, is unpleasant. So, if people from one side of that fault line, and those who feel more comfortable with them, are on one board, and the other side of the fault line and those who are comfortable with them on another; and if the real fault line people stick to their own board and leave peace at the other, and the not-fault-line people move peacefully back and forth if they wish, from my perspective it all seems good. I can go to a message board and not encounter, nor feel drawn into, constant quarreling.
Given that, I'm not going to say that if some individuals have a problem with each other, they shouldn't be free to hack it out; but the implication that everyone is engaged in one way or another with that problem is untrue. If I had gone to the other board, it wouldn't have been because of whatever this underlying stuff is, it would simply be have been because I like some of the posters over there a lot.

There are a population of people here who have nothing to do with whatever this is about; and they shouldn't be branded.

Disclaimer: I'm not literally comparing the two situations.

But I ask this: Who knew what was happening with the Watergate-related issues until Woodward and Bernstein started investigating and writing articles about it? Who would know what was happening if Woodward's source "Deep Throat" didn't tip Woodward off and lead him in directions previously confidential and very secret? Who would know about the audio tapes and the missing minutes of those tapes until people with knowledge of it brought it forward? Or even the issues John Dean and others blew the whistle on?

So you had a situation where for several years this chicanery and deception was going on all the way up the chain to the Oval Office, and not only were hundreds of White House staffers unaware of it, but millions of voters had no idea either until the articles and testimony started to come out publicly.

Did any of the articles or reports blame staffers like the WH chef or members of the WH typing pools and operations staff like the mailroom for any of it if they simply had no idea because it was being kept hidden under many levels of administration and beaurocracy even within the administration? No, because to do so wouldn't be fair to people who had absolutely no idea.

It would also be like blaming a random high school kid who got a job working at a restaurant washing dishes for not knowing the restaurant was a criminal front for drugs, organized crime, etc. Happens every week. No one except those directly involved would have knowledge of what was going on.

What's the phrase..."just sayin'".  :)



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:02:11 AM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?

Ask him.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 11:03:29 AM
I think that's what I was just sayin' too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:11:06 AM
I think that's what I was just sayin' too.

If that were the impression I got, I would not have replied as I did. The issues that have been bubbling under this and other forums have been bubbling since before I became a moderator here, and before all of the talk about who is to blame for whatever it is they're being blamed for. And for whatever reasons are or were being given for new boards being created.

I have said before, and I'll say it again: There is a history of people being duped, and people being thrown under the bus when a convenient scapegoat is needed. Loyalty unfortunately has not always been a governing principle at play in these things. Nor has honesty. Maybe the word is "cutthroat"?

I am sure there are many fans who have no skin in any of these games, and who just are doing their normal things as fans visiting these boards. But like the kid washing dishes after school for a mob-run restaurant or the guy sorting incoming mail in the Nixon White House, they may not know what is going on, and if they get caught up in any of it or are duped in some way, I feel bad for them because it's not their fault. For those doing the using and the duping, it is their fault.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Moon Dawg on June 05, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
  I can't seem to register on that board...keep getting "invalid user name" or "user name unavailable" whether with "Moon Dawg" or another moniker. Guess I'm Dumb... ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Please delete my account on June 05, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
 I can't seem to register on that board...keep getting "invalid user name" or "user name unavailable" whether with "Moon Dawg" or another moniker. Guess I'm Dumb... ;D

Try a username without a space in it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:30:54 AM
Try contacting the people who run that board off this board? It's their project.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 05, 2016, 11:31:48 AM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 11:35:06 AM
I think that's what I was just sayin' too.

If that were the impression I got, I would not have replied as I did. The issues that have been bubbling under this and other forums have been bubbling since before I became a moderator here, and before all of the talk about who is to blame for whatever it is they're being blamed for. And for whatever reasons are or were being given for new boards being created.

I have said before, and I'll say it again: There is a history of people being duped, and people being thrown under the bus when a convenient scapegoat is needed. Loyalty unfortunately has not always been a governing principle at play in these things. Nor has honesty. Maybe the word is "cutthroat"?

I am sure there are many fans who have no skin in any of these games, and who just are doing their normal things as fans visiting these boards. But like the kid washing dishes after school for a mob-run restaurant or the guy sorting incoming mail in the Nixon White House, they may not know what is going on, and if they get caught up in any of it or are duped in some way, I feel bad for them because it's not their fault. For those doing the using and the duping, it is their fault.
Well, it's clearly not the impression you got, but my impression of what you're saying is that it's the same as what I'm saying - there are a number of people who have nothing to do with this.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:37:26 AM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...

Who was sending these invitations, I wonder. They must have had a personal interest in setting things up.

Yes, I'm being very facetious and sarcastic.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 11:39:42 AM

It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:40:55 AM
I think that's what I was just sayin' too.

If that were the impression I got, I would not have replied as I did. The issues that have been bubbling under this and other forums have been bubbling since before I became a moderator here, and before all of the talk about who is to blame for whatever it is they're being blamed for. And for whatever reasons are or were being given for new boards being created.

I have said before, and I'll say it again: There is a history of people being duped, and people being thrown under the bus when a convenient scapegoat is needed. Loyalty unfortunately has not always been a governing principle at play in these things. Nor has honesty. Maybe the word is "cutthroat"?

I am sure there are many fans who have no skin in any of these games, and who just are doing their normal things as fans visiting these boards. But like the kid washing dishes after school for a mob-run restaurant or the guy sorting incoming mail in the Nixon White House, they may not know what is going on, and if they get caught up in any of it or are duped in some way, I feel bad for them because it's not their fault. For those doing the using and the duping, it is their fault.
Well, it's clearly not the impression you got, but my impression of what you're saying is that it's the same as what I'm saying - there are a number of people who have nothing to do with this.


I can see that, yes. I may have worded it a bit differently than what I had wanted.

Maybe a revised summary I'd offer is a version of the old phrase, just because people are unaware something is happening does not prove it's not happening. And if there are people who have no idea, they shouldn't be at fault for believing what they have been led to believe.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Moon Dawg on June 05, 2016, 11:41:52 AM
 I can't seem to register on that board...keep getting "invalid user name" or "user name unavailable" whether with "Moon Dawg" or another moniker. Guess I'm Dumb... ;D

Try a username without a space in it?

  I'm in now. Thanks


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 11:43:39 AM
Iain Lee's posts are exactly the sort that would be banned at the other forum. That they aren't banned here is exactly the reason why this board will continue to have 'drama' while the other will remain a peaceful club.
While I'm not necessarily supporting banning him or adopting the position of the other board on banning, because I like to think that people won't make trouble just for the sake of it, I'm afraid many people do.
It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.

The kudos I will give him is for admitting part of the type of PM personal attack bullshit that has been ripping this board apart for longer than anyone would like to admit.

Maybe it will inspire others who got such PM's or even those that attempted to "correct" someone's opinions that may have been considered unwelcome opinions to step forward.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 11:46:11 AM
I think that's what I was just sayin' too.

If that were the impression I got, I would not have replied as I did. The issues that have been bubbling under this and other forums have been bubbling since before I became a moderator here, and before all of the talk about who is to blame for whatever it is they're being blamed for. And for whatever reasons are or were being given for new boards being created.

I have said before, and I'll say it again: There is a history of people being duped, and people being thrown under the bus when a convenient scapegoat is needed. Loyalty unfortunately has not always been a governing principle at play in these things. Nor has honesty. Maybe the word is "cutthroat"?

I am sure there are many fans who have no skin in any of these games, and who just are doing their normal things as fans visiting these boards. But like the kid washing dishes after school for a mob-run restaurant or the guy sorting incoming mail in the Nixon White House, they may not know what is going on, and if they get caught up in any of it or are duped in some way, I feel bad for them because it's not their fault. For those doing the using and the duping, it is their fault.
Well, it's clearly not the impression you got, but my impression of what you're saying is that it's the same as what I'm saying - there are a number of people who have nothing to do with this.


I can see that, yes. I may have worded it a bit differently than what I had wanted.

Maybe a revised summary I'd offer is a version of the old phrase, just because people are unaware something is happening does not prove it's not happening. And if there are people who have no idea, they shouldn't be at fault for believing what they have been led to believe.
I fully agree with that statement. And I think the difference is that most of your posts on this thread are focused on an underlying system. And most of my posts are focused on the experiences of those who are not involved in the underlying system and don't really get what it is and, honestly, many probably don't really care. They just want to chat with some online friends about the Beach Boys.
I think analysis of underlying systems and exposure of their flaws and dangers is very worthy. I'm not criticizing that. But, to try to do it in a way that doesn't alienate those who are not involved and just happen to be hanging around nearby, would also be worthy.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 05, 2016, 11:51:01 AM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
As I said above, even if a quarrel is not actually about Mike Love, there seems to be a fault line where one side of the quarrel will be people who frequently take a stance of defending ML and the other is people who frequently take a stance of criticizing him.
I think the bulk of the 'defending' people have moved there and the bulk of the 'critcizing' people have stayed here. Other people, of which there are many, have sorted themselves according to their comfort level with the individuals of those groups.
There are some people who could legitimately go back and forth without making waves in either place.

I'm no defender of the Lovester - apart from that which he should be defended for (i.e. most of his lyrics up to about 73 (and few after) and most of his vocals for the same period) - and I've registered there. The board's about The Beach Boys. Why would Iain be banned? Iain, if you're out there, give it a whirl...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Douchepool on June 05, 2016, 12:05:24 PM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
As I said above, even if a quarrel is not actually about Mike Love, there seems to be a fault line where one side of the quarrel will be people who frequently take a stance of defending ML and the other is people who frequently take a stance of criticizing him.
I think the bulk of the 'defending' people have moved there and the bulk of the 'critcizing' people have stayed here. Other people, of which there are many, have sorted themselves according to their comfort level with the individuals of those groups.
There are some people who could legitimately go back and forth without making waves in either place.

I will admit to being a defender of Mike in SOME cases but not to where it leads to putting down Brian or the rest of the band. Like that silly article going around about "destroying the Brian is a genius myth" or whatever it was, for example. Yeah, the band could do well enough when Brian had limited participation and probably should have relied more on what they could do as opposed to forcing Brian to participate during the Brian's Back thing, which might very well have led to Brian having more trouble during the late 70s until he was rehabilitated. I do not think that equals bashing Brian or unfairly propping up Mike or the rest of the band. Brian's reputation is such that he would always be a shadow cast over the band when he wasn't around as much on the records. In the past I did say some bad things in the heat of the moment that left a bad taste in many folks' mouths. I cannot take them back. I wish it was different. I also don't think blaming Craig for the negative feelings left over from that helps. He had nothing to do with that.

I was not invited there due to my views on the band. I was invited by a personal friend, no more or less. It is another place to post.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 12:31:55 PM
Iain Lee's posts are exactly the sort that would be banned at the other forum. That they aren't banned here is exactly the reason why this board will continue to have 'drama' while the other will remain a peaceful club.
While I'm not necessarily supporting banning him or adopting the position of the other board on banning, because I like to think that people won't make trouble just for the sake of it, I'm afraid many people do.
It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.

The kudos I will give him is for admitting part of the type of PM personal attack bullshit that has been ripping this board apart for longer than anyone would like to admit.

Maybe it will inspire others who got such PM's or even those that attempted to "correct" someone's opinions that may have been considered unwelcome opinions to step forward.
I've edited my post above, because Mr. Lee was not aware of the other forum nor of everything that's been happening.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 12:44:37 PM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
As I said above, even if a quarrel is not actually about Mike Love, there seems to be a fault line where one side of the quarrel will be people who frequently take a stance of defending ML and the other is people who frequently take a stance of criticizing him.
I think the bulk of the 'defending' people have moved there and the bulk of the 'critcizing' people have stayed here. Other people, of which there are many, have sorted themselves according to their comfort level with the individuals of those groups.
There are some people who could legitimately go back and forth without making waves in either place.

I will admit to being a defender of Mike in SOME cases but not to where it leads to putting down Brian or the rest of the band. Like that silly article going around about "destroying the Brian is a genius myth" or whatever it was, for example. Yeah, the band could do well enough when Brian had limited participation and probably should have relied more on what they could do as opposed to forcing Brian to participate during the Brian's Back thing, which might very well have led to Brian having more trouble during the late 70s until he was rehabilitated. I do not think that equals bashing Brian or unfairly propping up Mike or the rest of the band. Brian's reputation is such that he would always be a shadow cast over the band when he wasn't around as much on the records. In the past I did say some bad things in the heat of the moment that left a bad taste in many folks' mouths. I cannot take them back. I wish it was different. I also don't think blaming Craig for the negative feelings left over from that helps. He had nothing to do with that.

I was not invited there due to my views on the band. I was invited by a personal friend, no more or less. It is another place to post.
I was invited myself and I really appreciate the invitation.
I was not implying that you've said unreasonable things, as long as I've been here, nor that you've put down Brian, as far as I've seen. I'm just saying that there's an obvious divide. And maybe 10% of posters fall very clearly on one side or the other; maybe 60 percent are more vaguely on one or the other; and the rest not.
The people who are clearly on one side, and the people who are more vaguely on that side, are more likely to feel welcomed there than the people clearly or vaguely on the other side. That may be how it will be long-term, it may not.
Most of the people who provided all the off-topic fun (not talking about politics) that gave me the most pleasure I've had here, are now over there. I would very much like to continue interacting with them. But there are a few people that I have tremendous difficulty getting along with, so to avoid causing trouble, I've not gone over there.
I would just like it if everyone could prioritize, for a bit, not causing trouble. It's like, when you have two kids, you don't mind them disagreeing and discussing it, or even arguing to a point, but when it goes too far, they each need to go to their separate rooms for a while. And it doesn't really matter who started it; who's right; who's wrong. A break is simply necessary.
So now there are two rooms. Temporarily, let's have some PEACE.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 12:47:32 PM
And may I ask what said precise qualities are?
As I said above, even if a quarrel is not actually about Mike Love, there seems to be a fault line where one side of the quarrel will be people who frequently take a stance of defending ML and the other is people who frequently take a stance of criticizing him.
I think the bulk of the 'defending' people have moved there and the bulk of the 'critcizing' people have stayed here. Other people, of which there are many, have sorted themselves according to their comfort level with the individuals of those groups.
There are some people who could legitimately go back and forth without making waves in either place.

I will admit to being a defender of Mike in SOME cases but not to where it leads to putting down Brian or the rest of the band. Like that silly article going around about "destroying the Brian is a genius myth" or whatever it was, for example. Yeah, the band could do well enough when Brian had limited participation and probably should have relied more on what they could do as opposed to forcing Brian to participate during the Brian's Back thing, which might very well have led to Brian having more trouble during the late 70s until he was rehabilitated. I do not think that equals bashing Brian or unfairly propping up Mike or the rest of the band. Brian's reputation is such that he would always be a shadow cast over the band when he wasn't around as much on the records. In the past I did say some bad things in the heat of the moment that left a bad taste in many folks' mouths. I cannot take them back. I wish it was different. I also don't think blaming Craig for the negative feelings left over from that helps. He had nothing to do with that.

I was not invited there due to my views on the band. I was invited by a personal friend, no more or less. It is another place to post.
I was invited myself and I really appreciate the invitation.
I was not implying that you've said unreasonable things, as long as I've been here, note that you've put down Brian, as far as I've seen. I'm just saying that there's an obvious divide. And maybe 10% of posters fall very clearly on one side or the other; maybe 60 percent are more vaguely on one or the other; and the rest not.
The people who are clearly on one side, and the people who are more vaguely on that side, are more likely to feel welcomed there. Than the people clearly or vaguely on the other side. That may be how it will be long-term, it may not.
Most of the people who provided all the off-topic fun (not talking about politics) that gave me the most pleasure I've had here, are now over there. I would very much like to continue interacting with them. But there are a few people that I have tremendous difficulty getting along with, so to avoid causing trouble, I've not gone over there.
I would just like it if everyone could prioritize, for a bit, not causing trouble. It's like, when you have two kids, you don't mind them disagreeing and discussing it, or even arguing to a point, but when it goes to far, they each need to go to their separate rooms for a while. And it doesn't really matter who started it; who's right; who's wrong. A break is simply necessary.
So now there are two rooms. Temporarily, let's have some PEACE.

Well said.  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 12:56:25 PM
As previously said, who wouldn't be for peace and coexistence but it should also come with honesty about how things developed. Too often calls for dropping things from the discussion comes off like an attempt to sweep the core issues (or the truth behind them) even further under the proverbial carpet.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 01:05:04 PM
As previously said, who wouldn't be for peace and coexistence but it should also come with honesty about how things developed. Too often calls for dropping things from the discussion comes off like an attempt to sweep the core issues (or the truth behind them) even further under the proverbial carpet.
I disagree. Problems are never solved when the people involved are in the heat of it, u less there's all out war and one side destroys the other.
Problems are solved after a time out when emotions are calmer.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 01:10:25 PM
As previously said, who wouldn't be for peace and coexistence but it should also come with honesty about how things developed. Too often calls for dropping things from the discussion comes off like an attempt to sweep the core issues (or the truth behind them) even further under the proverbial carpet.
I disagree. Problems are never solved when the people involved are in the heat of it, u less there's all out war and one side destroys the other.
Problems are solved after a time out when emotions are calmer.

Problems definitely are not solved either when one side gets to do all the talking and those who have a right to challenge are shut down before they can speak their opinions. Especially and more glaringly when the only side heard has serious issues with lack of credibility and honesty and barely anyone might know what happened to lead up to it.

Give everyone a fair airing out, get it on the table, both sides. If it causes friction, then maybe those who engaged in the bad behavior should have thought twice before acting that way.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 05, 2016, 01:57:03 PM
Problems cannot be solved when some people on BOTH sides are too set in their ways to compromise.  You're not going to be able to convince 100% of people 100% of the time. Besides there are some people who know the truth and refuse to accept it. You know what? So be it.  f*** 'em. I'm not going to beat myself up trying to fix people that can't be fixed.  It's not good for my blood pressure and I have enough stress as it is


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: GhostyTMRS on June 05, 2016, 02:38:11 PM
I'm now registered on both boards. I didn't get an invite or was involved in a secret coup (I guess I don't rate). I'm having fun reviewing albums. Although I've done that on here, it's nice having another place to do it (almost an excuse to revisit albums I hadn't thought about in a while).

I don't think anyone here has to worry about members leaving in droves or the new board suddenly usurping the other. I'm beginning to think that the drama here (backstage or out in front like the Observer thread) is actually one of the main appeals of this board for a certain percentage of members. I have little use for that sort of thing. All I ask, and have continued to ask for months on end, is that members here not be allowed to clog up threads with "Mike and Bruce are pieces of s**t", etc. over and over again. I don't see any of that on PSF so it's a-ok to me so far. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 05, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
As previously said, who wouldn't be for peace and coexistence but it should also come with honesty about how things developed. Too often calls for dropping things from the discussion comes off like an attempt to sweep the core issues (or the truth behind them) even further under the proverbial carpet.
I disagree. Problems are never solved when the people involved are in the heat of it, u less there's all out war and one side destroys the other.
Problems are solved after a time out when emotions are calmer.

Problems definitely are not solved either when one side gets to do all the talking and those who have a right to challenge are shut down before they can speak their opinions. Especially and more glaringly when the only side heard has serious issues with lack of credibility and honesty and barely anyone might know what happened to lead up to it.

Give everyone a fair airing out, get it on the table, both sides. If it causes friction, then maybe those who engaged in the bad behavior should have thought twice before acting that way.

Well, everyone's right, in that things aren't resolved in the heat of the moment.  Then again, all of these past board collapses (remember, I wasn't there, so...) indicate that issues were never on the table and resolved, so this idiocy keeps happening.   SS is a truly tough survivor in the midst of all of this, by all appearances.  We'll see where it goes from here, but I appreciate that the Underworld didn't take it down.  There's a new forum for all the old members here.  I rather like that they're there and I don't have to see what they're saying.  The word may be out to be well-behaved for awhile - even the racists, sexists and bullies who were banned here. As long as I don't have to deal with them, that's good.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 05, 2016, 03:18:30 PM
I'm back. GF, in another thread you said that I don't get that there's a right and a wrong. I do get that. I've read what you've written and I believe what you've said. I think you are right. I just don't think it helps right now to continue the fight.

Regarding the PMs, AGD's been banned. I honestly don't think that Iain Lee was up on the details of what's happened in the last few months. I think he posted something that he knew was going to be controversial in that thread today; but in normal circumstances wouldn't be out of line. It wasn't a screed. It was a pretty mild thing, though button pushing. In response, ORR posted a quite nasty post. Then Iain Lee escalated in a really big way; ORR escalated back and it was really unpleasant. I asked Iain Lee to stop. And after a time, he agreed to. I asked ORR to stop as well. Iain Lee was wrong to bring up the PMs and was wrong to escalate; but he didn't write the PMs. The writer has been banned.

I think anyone who cares one way or another has heard what you have to say. If they still don't believe it, they aren't going to. Even if more evidence was posted, they still won't believe it. They've dug in to their positions. But, for the most part, they aren't here anymore. So I think it's best to make this a pleasant place for those who are or for others who wish to join.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 05, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
I'm back. GF, in another thread you said that I don't get that there's a right and a wrong. I do get that. I've read what you've written and I believe what you've said. I think you are right. I just don't think it helps right now to continue the fight.

Regarding the PMs, AGD's been banned. I honestly don't think that Iain Lee was up on the details of what's happened in the last few months. I think he posted something that he knew was going to be controversial in that thread today; but in normal circumstances wouldn't be out of line. It wasn't a screed. It was a pretty mild thing, though button pushing. In response, ORR posted a quite nasty post. Then Iain Lee escalated in a really big way; ORR escalated back and it was really unpleasant. I asked Iain Lee to stop. And after a time, he agreed to. I asked ORR to stop as well. Iain Lee was wrong to bring up the PMs and was wrong to escalate; but he didn't write the PMs. The writer has been banned.

I think anyone who cares one way or another has heard what you have to say. If they still don't believe it, they aren't going to. Even if more evidence was posted, they still won't believe it. They've dug in to their positions. But, for the most part, they aren't here anymore. So I think it's best to make this a pleasant place for those who are or for others who wish to join.



That last sentence is what I wish I could get through to everybody. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 04:12:57 PM
I'm back. GF, in another thread you said that I don't get that there's a right and a wrong. I do get that. I've read what you've written and I believe what you've said. I think you are right. I just don't think it helps right now to continue the fight.

Regarding the PMs, AGD's been banned. I honestly don't think that Iain Lee was up on the details of what's happened in the last few months. I think he posted something that he knew was going to be controversial in that thread today; but in normal circumstances wouldn't be out of line. It wasn't a screed. It was a pretty mild thing, though button pushing. In response, ORR posted a quite nasty post. Then Iain Lee escalated in a really big way; ORR escalated back and it was really unpleasant. I asked Iain Lee to stop. And after a time, he agreed to. I asked ORR to stop as well. Iain Lee was wrong to bring up the PMs and was wrong to escalate; but he didn't write the PMs. The writer has been banned.

I think anyone who cares one way or another has heard what you have to say. If they still don't believe it, they aren't going to. Even if more evidence was posted, they still won't believe it. They've dug in to their positions. But, for the most part, they aren't here anymore. So I think it's best to make this a pleasant place for those who are or for others who wish to join.



If the discussion had been shut down after Iain's mention of the PM's, it would have lingered as would the hard feelings. If he didn't know what else was behind these issues, he found out more of the real story and posted as he did. If he were led to believe whatever Andrew Doe (if that's who it was, I don't recall Iain actually saying it was him although the previous information backed up that it was) told him, now he knows what actually happened. That is a good outcome, although maybe my priority is different than some in that I don't like seeing someone get a raw deal based on misinformation or outright lies, and if that happens they have a right to defend themselves. In the name of keeping peace, you don't just pull the plug so the lies are allowed to stand as the fact of note, and the person who is subject of the lies doesn't get a say. To me that's worse than pulling the plug and allowing both the lies to stand and the liars to get away with it.

This also showed that the after-effects of however many campaigns or efforts had been going on from Andrew's or anyone else's private messages that are still lingering and which despite efforts to clarify and make right each case that comes up, here was another case that people who received the messages were still believing them, and despite explanations in the past they must have either missed them or the lie was stronger than the explanation.

So if and when these issues appear again, they will be addressed and called out for the bullshit that they were and are, no matter where on the board they happen to show up. It's only fair to all parties to have the chance to not only defend themselves but also to get the facts known so everyone has the truth versus believing whatever lies have taken hold.

It is not only frustrating beyond belief but also very sad to think about how many of these campaigns and PM blasts and efforts to ruin or diminish other board members are still out there and are lingering to this day because people don;t know what exactly went on. There could be dozens more, there could be one more...but even one was and is too many.

It's good to know not only the game but also the players, and how things were done. Anyone can then weigh who or what they want to believe once the truth actually comes out.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 04:22:53 PM
Continued from the other thread:

I don't understand.  I don't use PMs, but figured people bitching in them about other people is par for the course.

I think most figured that may happen naturally. Someone posts things others don't like or in a way people don't agree with, people will naturally start chewing the fat over it.

But what isn't par for the course and should never have been par for the course is having a board member or members launch a campaign against another board member or members - specifically based on lies or things that simply didn't happen - that includes fishing for personal and contact info like it's some private eye situation, contacting other members with information about other members' personal lives, habits, or even family info, and whatever other dirt and slime can be generated...

...in the name of silencing someone or having them kicked off this forum or any other reason for that matter. That goes beyond anyone's idea of par for the course, and if the residue from any of that garbage happens to appear in some form, it will be addressed and the truth will be told so everyone is clear on the facts.

The PM function was set up for members to reach out to each other, not to destroy other board members or launch campaigns to find whatever results are being sought.

Imagine dealing with this on a music forum...and it's supposed to be all about the music.

Still a lot of heavy lifting to be done to clear this sh*t out and move forward. If the garbage trucks need directions on where to take their loads of this trash and debris, a map can be provided.  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 05, 2016, 05:19:33 PM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...



I did not get an invitation but notified by friends that I am being insulted over there. Like anything, they will reap what they sow


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 05, 2016, 05:21:30 PM
Iain Lee's posts are exactly the sort that would be banned at the other forum. That they aren't banned here is exactly the reason why this board will continue to have 'drama' while the other will remain a peaceful club.
While I'm not necessarily supporting banning him or adopting the position of the other board on banning, because I like to think that people won't make trouble just for the sake of it, I'm afraid many people do.
It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.

The kudos I will give him is for admitting part of the type of PM personal attack bullshit that has been ripping this board apart for longer than anyone would like to admit.

Maybe it will inspire others who got such PM's or even those that attempted to "correct" someone's opinions that may have been considered unwelcome opinions to step forward.
I've edited my post above, because Mr. Lee was not aware of the other forum nor of everything that's been happening.

I went over there. He seems to have been a member from the get go.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 05:29:42 PM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...



I did not get an invitation but notified by friends that I am being insulted over there. Like anything, they will reap what they sow

Where were you insulted over there?  I honestly haven't seen your name mentioned in anyway.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 05:31:27 PM
Iain Lee's posts are exactly the sort that would be banned at the other forum. That they aren't banned here is exactly the reason why this board will continue to have 'drama' while the other will remain a peaceful club.
While I'm not necessarily supporting banning him or adopting the position of the other board on banning, because I like to think that people won't make trouble just for the sake of it, I'm afraid many people do.
It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.

The kudos I will give him is for admitting part of the type of PM personal attack bullshit that has been ripping this board apart for longer than anyone would like to admit.

Maybe it will inspire others who got such PM's or even those that attempted to "correct" someone's opinions that may have been considered unwelcome opinions to step forward.
I've edited my post above, because Mr. Lee was not aware of the other forum nor of everything that's been happening.

I went over there. He seems to have been a member from the get go.

Unless he's going under a different name, I don't believe he's a member yet.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
Iain Lee's posts are exactly the sort that would be banned at the other forum. That they aren't banned here is exactly the reason why this board will continue to have 'drama' while the other will remain a peaceful club.
While I'm not necessarily supporting banning him or adopting the position of the other board on banning, because I like to think that people won't make trouble just for the sake of it, I'm afraid many people do.
It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.

The kudos I will give him is for admitting part of the type of PM personal attack bullshit that has been ripping this board apart for longer than anyone would like to admit.

Maybe it will inspire others who got such PM's or even those that attempted to "correct" someone's opinions that may have been considered unwelcome opinions to step forward.
I've edited my post above, because Mr. Lee was not aware of the other forum nor of everything that's been happening.

I went over there. He seems to have been a member from the get go.

Unless he's going under a different name, I don't believe he's a member yet.

Maybe Andrew would know since he's been promoting it on other forums and sending invites.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 05:37:28 PM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 05, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Just saw an announcement on Facebook regarding a new Beach Boys forum:

http://beachboys.boards.net/

I wish them well! 

Ha Ha, thought it was worth going back to the thread intro. By the COB/Head Honcho, no less. A very nice gesture.
Kaboom!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 05, 2016, 05:46:19 PM
Iain Lee's posts are exactly the sort that would be banned at the other forum. That they aren't banned here is exactly the reason why this board will continue to have 'drama' while the other will remain a peaceful club.
While I'm not necessarily supporting banning him or adopting the position of the other board on banning, because I like to think that people won't make trouble just for the sake of it, I'm afraid many people do.
It's unfortunate that there are people who, when they have a peaceful option, won't take it.

The kudos I will give him is for admitting part of the type of PM personal attack bullshit that has been ripping this board apart for longer than anyone would like to admit.

Maybe it will inspire others who got such PM's or even those that attempted to "correct" someone's opinions that may have been considered unwelcome opinions to step forward.
I've edited my post above, because Mr. Lee was not aware of the other forum nor of everything that's been happening.

I went over there. He seems to have been a member from the get go.

Unless he's going under a different name, I don't believe he's a member yet.

Maybe Andrew would know since he's been promoting it on other forums and sending invites.

Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Ah c'mon man, no need for that


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 05:55:14 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 05, 2016, 05:58:13 PM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...



I did not get an invitation but notified by friends that I am being insulted over there. Like anything, they will reap what they sow

Where were you insulted over there?  I honestly haven't seen your name mentioned in anyway.
I didn't see it, just told. I tried to find it but kinda hard to navigate around. It's all good though. :-)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 06:01:40 PM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...



I did not get an invitation but notified by friends that I am being insulted over there. Like anything, they will reap what they sow

Where were you insulted over there?  I honestly haven't seen your name mentioned in anyway.
I didn't see it, just told. I tried to find it but kinda hard to navigate around. It's all good though. :-)

Would it be surprising to learn you did not get an invitation? Did you?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 06:06:22 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 06:09:50 PM
And I'm still waiting for that personal invitation so many people got to join that board.   :hat

You'd almost think that I'm not someone desired there.  But maybe I'm just paranoid. Uh-huh...



I did not get an invitation but notified by friends that I am being insulted over there. Like anything, they will reap what they sow

Where were you insulted over there?  I honestly haven't seen your name mentioned in anyway.
I didn't see it, just told. I tried to find it but kinda hard to navigate around. It's all good though. :-)

I think your friends were mistaken.  Glad to hear it's all good, though.  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 06:14:38 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.

That's up to you, I guess, right? Charlie Brown has been landing flat on his ass for decades because he must think this next time I try to kick that ball, Lucy will not pull it away and she'll let me kick it. And she never lets him kick it, and he always ends up on his ass. Maybe someday it will make sense to him and he'll quit or find another person to tee it up for him.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 05, 2016, 06:19:24 PM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?

Ask him.

You brought it up so I'm asking you.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.

That's up to you, I guess, right? Charlie Brown has been landing flat on his ass for decades because he must think this next time I try to kick that ball, Lucy will not pull it away and she'll let me kick it. And she never lets him kick it, and he always ends up on his ass. Maybe someday it will make sense to him and he'll quit or find another person to tee it up for him.

So you're just going to keep up with the innuendo for the foreseeable future.  Gotcha.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 06:28:05 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.

That's up to you, I guess, right? Charlie Brown has been landing flat on his ass for decades because he must think this next time I try to kick that ball, Lucy will not pull it away and she'll let me kick it. And she never lets him kick it, and he always ends up on his ass. Maybe someday it will make sense to him and he'll quit or find another person to tee it up for him.

So you're just going to keep up with the innuendo for the foreseeable future.  Gotcha.

No, I'm just saying considering recent events you should start to get a sense of how things really happened, and considering how you and many others were duped into believing absolute bullshit, you might eventually end up tired of having the football pulled away as you're trying to kick it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 06:29:18 PM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?

Ask him.

You brought it up so I'm asking you.

Of course you are! But better to hear it from the source, since you're on the same boards at this point.

When you get that answer, come back and let us know. Then we'll compare notes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 06:40:47 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.

That's up to you, I guess, right? Charlie Brown has been landing flat on his ass for decades because he must think this next time I try to kick that ball, Lucy will not pull it away and she'll let me kick it. And she never lets him kick it, and he always ends up on his ass. Maybe someday it will make sense to him and he'll quit or find another person to tee it up for him.

So you're just going to keep up with the innuendo for the foreseeable future.  Gotcha.

No, I'm just saying considering recent events you should start to get a sense of how things really happened, and considering how you and many others were duped into believing absolute bullshit, you might eventually end up tired of having the football pulled away as you're trying to kick it.

Yeah, at this point I have a pretty good idea of what has been and is going on.  I wasn't duped on anything, and it had almost nothing to do with what you think.  I'll say it again, my words were twisted into something I didn't say.  I and others look forward to the day when you can let all of this bs die out.  Good luck.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 05, 2016, 06:44:50 PM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?

Ask him.

You brought it up so I'm asking you.

Of course you are! But better to hear it from the source, since you're on the same boards at this point.

When you get that answer, come back and let us know. Then we'll compare notes.


I don't even know which Andrew you are referring to.  I'm on this board and you brought it up and I'm asking you: said to who and where?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 07:02:36 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.

That's up to you, I guess, right? Charlie Brown has been landing flat on his ass for decades because he must think this next time I try to kick that ball, Lucy will not pull it away and she'll let me kick it. And she never lets him kick it, and he always ends up on his ass. Maybe someday it will make sense to him and he'll quit or find another person to tee it up for him.

So you're just going to keep up with the innuendo for the foreseeable future.  Gotcha.

No, I'm just saying considering recent events you should start to get a sense of how things really happened, and considering how you and many others were duped into believing absolute bullshit, you might eventually end up tired of having the football pulled away as you're trying to kick it.

Yeah, at this point I have a pretty good idea of what has been and is going on.  I wasn't duped on anything, and it had almost nothing to do with what you think.  I'll say it again, my words were twisted into something I didn't say.  I and others look forward to the day when you can let all of this bs die out.  Good luck.

And again, Kid, consider you think you have an idea but you've got a lot more left to find out before speaking from a position of moral authority, or anything even close to that. And the people behind a lot of this might have reasons that go beyond what you've been led to believe. If you haven't already, I might recommend stepping off the soapbox and consider that there is more at play here than you know, and maybe you should withhold some of the swagger and make sure you have the facts before blowing up another issue, intentional or not.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 07:05:18 PM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?

Ask him.

You brought it up so I'm asking you.

Of course you are! But better to hear it from the source, since you're on the same boards at this point.

When you get that answer, come back and let us know. Then we'll compare notes.


I don't even know which Andrew you are referring to.  I'm on this board and you brought it up and I'm asking you: said to who and where?

You have better access at this point than I do. Just reach out and ask him, Cam, then come back and we'll trade notes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 05, 2016, 07:07:54 PM
Wow. Just...fuckin' wow.  :(


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 07:13:32 PM
Maybe you know since you know the whole truth?

Someday, Kid, it will make sense to you.

One thing about the internet is it saves money on the cost of invitations, both the invitations themselves and the postage. Mailing them from the UK is quite expensive unless it's being underwritten and declared as a business expense.

When will it make sense to me?  I'd really like to know and so would a lot of people, apparently.

That's up to you, I guess, right? Charlie Brown has been landing flat on his ass for decades because he must think this next time I try to kick that ball, Lucy will not pull it away and she'll let me kick it. And she never lets him kick it, and he always ends up on his ass. Maybe someday it will make sense to him and he'll quit or find another person to tee it up for him.

So you're just going to keep up with the innuendo for the foreseeable future.  Gotcha.

No, I'm just saying considering recent events you should start to get a sense of how things really happened, and considering how you and many others were duped into believing absolute bullshit, you might eventually end up tired of having the football pulled away as you're trying to kick it.

Yeah, at this point I have a pretty good idea of what has been and is going on.  I wasn't duped on anything, and it had almost nothing to do with what you think.  I'll say it again, my words were twisted into something I didn't say.  I and others look forward to the day when you can let all of this bs die out.  Good luck.

And again, Kid, consider you think you have an idea but you've got a lot more left to find out before speaking from a position of moral authority, or anything even close to that. And the people behind a lot of this might have reasons that go beyond what you've been led to believe. If you haven't already, I might recommend stepping off the soapbox and consider that there is more at play here than you know, and maybe you should withhold some of the swagger and make sure you have the facts before blowing up another issue, intentional or not.

Most of the people you don't like are no longer here, so why don't you just let it go?  You're ruining the forum for everyone else.  Your personal crusade against Andrew really needs to end. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 05, 2016, 07:21:20 PM
GF didn't decide alone though to ban Mr. Doe. You gotta agree that no BBs historian or regular Joe, but esp. somebody whose work is to correct facts should be respected for doing nasty thing as slandering Brian's wife JUST because he doesn't like her. Brian's family is not his business. It's not about not liking "Andrew", not sure how you came to this conclusion.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 07:24:20 PM
GF didn't decide alone though to ban Mr. Doe. You gotta agree that no BBs historian or regular Joe, but esp. somebody whose work is to correct facts should be respected for doing nasty thing as slandering Brian's wife JUST because he doesn't like her. Brian's family is not his business. It's not about not liking "Andrew", not sure how you came to this conclusion.

I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 05, 2016, 07:35:57 PM
Maybe you can get Andrew to tell everyone what he said about David Beard.

Said to who, and said where?

Ask him.

You brought it up so I'm asking you.

Of course you are! But better to hear it from the source, since you're on the same boards at this point.

When you get that answer, come back and let us know. Then we'll compare notes.


I don't even know which Andrew you are referring to.  I'm on this board and you brought it up and I'm asking you: said to who and where?

You have better access at this point than I do. Just reach out and ask him, Cam, then come back and we'll trade notes.

I'm not asking about what this Andrew knows or what was said, I'm asking you about what you know. Who said whatever it is to you and where did they say it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 05, 2016, 07:37:04 PM
GF didn't decide alone though to ban Mr. Doe. You gotta agree that no BBs historian or regular Joe, but esp. somebody whose work is to correct facts should be respected for doing nasty thing as slandering Brian's wife JUST because he doesn't like her. Brian's family is not his business. It's not about not liking "Andrew", not sure how you came to this conclusion.

I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 

Hard to have an issue about it when we still know nowt about the detail behind the innuendo. We just have to believe the little we're told. Again, we're told it's to do with Brian's wife. Nothing more. And that is worse than nothing. Would rather that tidbit wasn't in the public realm.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 07:40:54 PM
GF didn't decide alone though to ban Mr. Doe. You gotta agree that no BBs historian or regular Joe, but esp. somebody whose work is to correct facts should be respected for doing nasty thing as slandering Brian's wife JUST because he doesn't like her. Brian's family is not his business. It's not about not liking "Andrew", not sure how you came to this conclusion.

I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 

And I'm saying this with no malice toward you, but if you're unaware of the issues behind what is being discussed, I would hold off on making definitive statements until you find out more. I can only assume the behavior and actions of other banned members who are now welcomed back with open arms must not be an issue either, but for some it is.

It is difficult to accept sometimes, but not a difficult realization to consider that perhaps what you have been led to believe might not be the truth, and I say that as a general statement.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 07:42:33 PM
GF didn't decide alone though to ban Mr. Doe. You gotta agree that no BBs historian or regular Joe, but esp. somebody whose work is to correct facts should be respected for doing nasty thing as slandering Brian's wife JUST because he doesn't like her. Brian's family is not his business. It's not about not liking "Andrew", not sure how you came to this conclusion.

I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 

Hard to have an issue about it when we still know nowt about the detail behind the innuendo. We just have to believe the little we're told. Again, we're told it's to do with Brian's wife. Nothing more. And that is worse than nothing. Would rather that tidbit wasn't in the public realm.

Issues like that should never have been a part of fans discussing a band or their music in the first place. With that I agree 100%.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 05, 2016, 07:45:57 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 07:52:22 PM
GF didn't decide alone though to ban Mr. Doe. You gotta agree that no BBs historian or regular Joe, but esp. somebody whose work is to correct facts should be respected for doing nasty thing as slandering Brian's wife JUST because he doesn't like her. Brian's family is not his business. It's not about not liking "Andrew", not sure how you came to this conclusion.

I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 

And I'm saying this with no malice toward you, but if you're unaware of the issues behind what is being discussed, I would hold off on making definitive statements until you find out more. I can only assume the behavior and actions of other banned members who are now welcomed back with open arms must not be an issue either, but for some it is.

It is difficult to accept sometimes, but not a difficult realization to consider that perhaps what you have been led to believe might not be the truth, and I say that as a general statement.

About the only thing I don't know at this point is what your end game is.  Everyone seems ready to move on. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 07:55:40 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 08:17:36 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 08:42:44 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 05, 2016, 08:49:55 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 05, 2016, 09:00:17 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time. 

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 06, 2016, 02:56:33 AM
How about if everyone caught up in this infernal bickering acted like an adult and simply stopped joining in? Just stop----it's so gosh darn simple! Anyway, nobody knows exactly who said what anymore because of the quotes within quotes within quotes within quotes...

All this bickering is doing is dragging Smiley down----and there is a limit to how far it can go. 

One fascinating aspect about all this is posters' reactions to the new forum. It seems everyone has their own place on the spectrum, no two people think exactly alike.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: filledeplage on June 06, 2016, 07:27:37 AM
How about if everyone caught up in this infernal bickering acted like an adult and simply stopped joining in? Just stop----it's so gosh darn simple! Anyway, nobody knows exactly who said what anymore because of the quotes within quotes within quotes within quotes...

All this bickering is doing is dragging Smiley down----and there is a limit to how far it can go. 

One fascinating aspect about all this is posters' reactions to the new forum. It seems everyone has their own place on the spectrum, no two people think exactly alike.
That board is in it's infancy and needs to find it's own way, with members and resources while it is in it's initial build-out phase.  Even if it is perceived as a "haven for the banned," that is no reason for all this disparagement. 

Doesn't mean if those who chose and are members in good standing, cannot communicate on multiple fora.  It should not be a "them v. us" situation and constants jousts among the boards. 

They are doing their own thing.   ;)



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 06, 2016, 09:03:22 AM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time. 

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get. 

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 06, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time. 

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get. 

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.
So maybe lay out the whole deal and get all the cards on the table (maybe in it's own thread) and hopefully end the derailing.
What's with the 'duly noted and logged' comment? From a moderator, it makes you seem like a bit of a jackass, IMO.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 06, 2016, 11:07:06 AM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time. 

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get. 

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.
So maybe lay out the whole deal and get all the cards on the table (maybe in it's own thread) and hopefully end the derailing.
What's with the 'duly noted and logged' comment? From a moderator, it makes you seem like a bit of a jackass, IMO.

It's just a figure of speech, if you think saying it makes me look like a jackass that's your call.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 06, 2016, 04:29:30 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here.  
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point.  

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time.  

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get.  

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go.  



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 06, 2016, 06:38:05 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here.  
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point.  

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time.  

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get.  

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go.  



I certainly wish someone who could actually respond to this would speak up.  Hello???


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 06, 2016, 08:44:54 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here. 
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point. 

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time. 

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get. 

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour. 

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go. 



i strongly suggest you let it go as well.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 06, 2016, 08:53:35 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here.  
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point.  

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time.  

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get.  

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go.  



I certainly wish someone who could actually respond to this would speak up.  Hello???

Something doesn't quite add up here...Especially when the statement "I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything" is considered after these posts were made earlier:

Debbie, please check your pm inbox as that should clear things up.  If not, let me know.

I finally did get your pm.  I didn’t realize at the time of your post that you were trying to direct me to other pm’s that I had received from someone with considerable power on this Board, but thanks for making that clear.  The irony isn’t lost on me (nor the usual machinations) that I’m being boxed into silence by pm’s, the modus operandi of this sleazy little behind the scenes operation on SS:  An operation to defame Melinda Wilson, and in the process an attempt to make people believe that Brian is touring either unwillingly or “under the influence.” 

Yet, this garbage is allowed to continue on SS with the perpetrators (whom I have to assume this person in power can identify) allowed to continue merrily on.  I am beyond disgusted by what is being allowed here.  It is  an attack, not only on Brian Wilson’s legacy, but in “real time” it’s an attack on his tour.  Is this really lost on the people in power here?


I hope you're not referring to me and the other person who sent you a pm when you say you're being boxed into silence or that we're in an operation to defame Melinda.  I wanted you to read his pm because he's where I got my info from.  He and I both know now that the info we received is incorrect.   

We both now know the info we received is incorrect and that's all that matters to me at this point. 


If you received incorrect information, Kid, you were hoodwinked and duped by the source who sent all of this information you later found out was incorrect...

Why are you now backpedaling? If you and whoever else got faulty info passed off as truth or fact, you were hoodwinked!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 06, 2016, 09:42:48 PM
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Something doesn't quite add up here...Especially when the statement "I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything" is considered after these posts were made earlier:

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If you received incorrect information, Kid, you were hoodwinked and duped by the source who sent all of this information you later found out was incorrect...

Why are you now backpedaling? If you and whoever else got faulty info passed off as truth or fact, you were hoodwinked!

That is a good question....of course, you weren't the only one hoodwinked. I certainly was.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 06, 2016, 09:46:28 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here.  
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point.  

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time.  

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get.  

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go.  



I certainly wish someone who could actually respond to this would speak up.  Hello???

Something doesn't quite add up here...Especially when the statement "I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything" is considered after these posts were made earlier:

Debbie, please check your pm inbox as that should clear things up.  If not, let me know.

I finally did get your pm.  I didn’t realize at the time of your post that you were trying to direct me to other pm’s that I had received from someone with considerable power on this Board, but thanks for making that clear.  The irony isn’t lost on me (nor the usual machinations) that I’m being boxed into silence by pm’s, the modus operandi of this sleazy little behind the scenes operation on SS:  An operation to defame Melinda Wilson, and in the process an attempt to make people believe that Brian is touring either unwillingly or “under the influence.” 

Yet, this garbage is allowed to continue on SS with the perpetrators (whom I have to assume this person in power can identify) allowed to continue merrily on.  I am beyond disgusted by what is being allowed here.  It is  an attack, not only on Brian Wilson’s legacy, but in “real time” it’s an attack on his tour.  Is this really lost on the people in power here?


I hope you're not referring to me and the other person who sent you a pm when you say you're being boxed into silence or that we're in an operation to defame Melinda.  I wanted you to read his pm because he's where I got my info from.  He and I both know now that the info we received is incorrect.   

We both now know the info we received is incorrect and that's all that matters to me at this point. 


If you received incorrect information, Kid, you were hoodwinked and duped by the source who sent all of this information you later found out was incorrect...

Why are you now backpedaling? If you and whoever else got faulty info passed off as truth or fact, you were hoodwinked!

Simple, I found out it wasn't necessarily false, but rather a small part of the equation. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: 18thofMay on June 06, 2016, 10:05:00 PM
I would suggest none of it is, like I said 5 threads and 6000 posts ago.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 06, 2016, 11:23:17 PM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here.  
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point.  

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time.  

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get.  

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go.  



I certainly wish someone who could actually respond to this would speak up.  Hello???

Something doesn't quite add up here...Especially when the statement "I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything" is considered after these posts were made earlier:

Debbie, please check your pm inbox as that should clear things up.  If not, let me know.

I finally did get your pm.  I didn’t realize at the time of your post that you were trying to direct me to other pm’s that I had received from someone with considerable power on this Board, but thanks for making that clear.  The irony isn’t lost on me (nor the usual machinations) that I’m being boxed into silence by pm’s, the modus operandi of this sleazy little behind the scenes operation on SS:  An operation to defame Melinda Wilson, and in the process an attempt to make people believe that Brian is touring either unwillingly or “under the influence.” 

Yet, this garbage is allowed to continue on SS with the perpetrators (whom I have to assume this person in power can identify) allowed to continue merrily on.  I am beyond disgusted by what is being allowed here.  It is  an attack, not only on Brian Wilson’s legacy, but in “real time” it’s an attack on his tour.  Is this really lost on the people in power here?


I hope you're not referring to me and the other person who sent you a pm when you say you're being boxed into silence or that we're in an operation to defame Melinda.  I wanted you to read his pm because he's where I got my info from.  He and I both know now that the info we received is incorrect.   

We both now know the info we received is incorrect and that's all that matters to me at this point. 


If you received incorrect information, Kid, you were hoodwinked and duped by the source who sent all of this information you later found out was incorrect...

Why are you now backpedaling? If you and whoever else got faulty info passed off as truth or fact, you were hoodwinked!

Simple, I found out it wasn't necessarily false, but rather a small part of the equation. 


What info wasn't necessarily false? You originally said - twice as quoted above - that the info you received was incorrect, then you backpedaled when other posters challenged you weeks ago on how you would know that and said some of the info wasn't false, now you've backtracked again and are saying the info wasn't necessarily false?

Keep in mind, you were the one who accused other posters of trolling after they asked similar questions about whatever "not necessarily false" info you seem to be referring to. So the details have changed yet again from your explanation that you found out the info was incorrect and that was all that mattered to this now being a case of some info not being false (which means you must have proof whatever it was that isn't false must be true)...





Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 07, 2016, 02:27:28 AM
Continue this "discussion" in PMs, please. This is painful to behold.

Imagine you've just had your BB "Damascene moment" and you're looking for a forum to share your new-found joy. And you see this. ^^^^^     


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 07, 2016, 03:02:03 AM
Continue this "discussion" in PMs, please. This is painful to behold.

Imagine you've just had your BB "Damascene moment" and you're looking for a forum to share your new-found joy. And you see this. ^^^^^     
Yes. These are exactly my thoughts, only expressed 100 times better.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 07, 2016, 05:10:47 AM
Just hearing something doesn't mean you are hoodwinked. I hear a lot of things that I don't believe or I reserve judgement on and later find out they were false, it's even happened in this thread.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 07, 2016, 06:42:29 AM
Continue this "discussion" in PMs, please. This is painful to behold.

Imagine you've just had your BB "Damascene moment" and you're looking for a forum to share your new-found joy. And you see this. ^^^^^     
Yes. These are exactly my thoughts, only expressed 100 times better.

This is the "Sandbox", which was set up specifically for off-topic, anything-goes types of rolling discussions. It is clearly labeled as such, and kept separate from the music discussions and all Beach Boys related topics and groups here.

Imagine fans looking for a forum to share their new found joy, and stumbling upon the "I Wrote Some BB FanFics" thread, and reading that stuff about Carl soaking up blood with his hair and other positive imagery about the band, etc...

No outrage there, though, right? It's good fun, apparently.

Because it's in the Sandbox, where it belongs, just like other off topic posts have gone for years.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 07, 2016, 07:05:00 AM
No problem with the subject as such. In that respect it's in the right place----agreed.

But now it's about clashes of personalities and has been for pages on end.

I'm used to it these days but prospective newbies will run a mile if this is the first thing they see.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 07, 2016, 07:13:16 AM
No problem with the subject as such. In that respect it's in the right place----agreed.

But now it's about clashes of personalities and has been for pages on end.

I'm used to it these days but prospective newbies will run a mile if this is the first thing they see.

That could be said about any number of threads, and this is very, very mild compared to some of the stuff that happened both here in the past and on other now-defunct BB forums.

It is not clashing personalities as much as asking for some honesty and truth, or at least a clarification. And if the stories and statements don't line up, I think asking for a clarification is more than in order, especially if other board members have been accused of trolling for pointing out the same contradictions in the recent past.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 07, 2016, 07:54:42 AM
I wasn't talking about only AGD.  The issue here isn't even about his ban.  I don't have issue with it and neither do the vast majority of people here.  
I mentioned the ban after seeing "your personal crusade against Andrew". Did I miss sth.? Where did you get this idea that it's "personal" if GF plenty of times repeated that the PM system itself, based on what they found out, is real troublemaker. And sorry but "people you don't like" seems like attempt to add fuel. If it's not, explain what you meant by that. Lots of the Pet Sounds posters do post here, as Smilin Ed H said 90%? Nobody shooed them away.It's voluntary. They can check in here and there.

Yeah, you missed something.  It's not worth explaining it further.

Try running the explanation by me, I'd like to hear it.

Most of the people you disagree with are gone and nobody cares about this thing you have against Andrew, justified or not.  People want to move on at this point.  

So it's now changed to people I disagree with, not people I don't like? What are you talking about? Again, you have no knowledge of the issues other than what I can only assume you've been told or led to believe. And if your explanations are any indication, you've either ignored everything that has been said or you've been duped.

Maybe you should also look at Andrew's own personal crusades, and a handful of other board members (and on other boards) who have been targeted through the years before making such statements like you actually know what's going on.

Stop acting like you are the only one who knows what the issues are.  Even if I didn't know what was going on, there's no reason for you to keep going on about how you know something and everyone else doesn't.  Either say what it is or quit bringing it up all the time.  

I don't care about his crusades, he's no longer a member of this forum.  You should be trying to keep the peace, not stir the pot every chance you get.  

I'm not the only one who knows what the issues are and have been. It's too bad you got hoodwinked as a new fan into believing things were a certain way when they were not. All I'm looking for is a fair assessment and some honesty about the whole deal so all the cards are on the table and everyone can judge for themselves based on the full spectrum of facts.

Of course you wouldn't care about the crusades, it's only my words and actions that you find fault with because you think I f***ed you over with a ban that you've already had explained and clarified back when it happened. Duly noted and logged.

Again, I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  The info I received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  

It has nothing to do with my ban.  AGD no longer posts here.  It's over.  Let it go.  



I certainly wish someone who could actually respond to this would speak up.  Hello???

Something doesn't quite add up here...Especially when the statement "I wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything" is considered after these posts were made earlier:

Debbie, please check your pm inbox as that should clear things up.  If not, let me know.

I finally did get your pm.  I didn’t realize at the time of your post that you were trying to direct me to other pm’s that I had received from someone with considerable power on this Board, but thanks for making that clear.  The irony isn’t lost on me (nor the usual machinations) that I’m being boxed into silence by pm’s, the modus operandi of this sleazy little behind the scenes operation on SS:  An operation to defame Melinda Wilson, and in the process an attempt to make people believe that Brian is touring either unwillingly or “under the influence.” 

Yet, this garbage is allowed to continue on SS with the perpetrators (whom I have to assume this person in power can identify) allowed to continue merrily on.  I am beyond disgusted by what is being allowed here.  It is  an attack, not only on Brian Wilson’s legacy, but in “real time” it’s an attack on his tour.  Is this really lost on the people in power here?


I hope you're not referring to me and the other person who sent you a pm when you say you're being boxed into silence or that we're in an operation to defame Melinda.  I wanted you to read his pm because he's where I got my info from.  He and I both know now that the info we received is incorrect.   

We both now know the info we received is incorrect and that's all that matters to me at this point. 


If you received incorrect information, Kid, you were hoodwinked and duped by the source who sent all of this information you later found out was incorrect...

Why are you now backpedaling? If you and whoever else got faulty info passed off as truth or fact, you were hoodwinked!

Simple, I found out it wasn't necessarily false, but rather a small part of the equation. 


What info wasn't necessarily false? You originally said - twice as quoted above - that the info you received was incorrect, then you backpedaled when other posters challenged you weeks ago on how you would know that and said some of the info wasn't false, now you've backtracked again and are saying the info wasn't necessarily false?

Keep in mind, you were the one who accused other posters of trolling after they asked similar questions about whatever "not necessarily false" info you seem to be referring to. So the details have changed yet again from your explanation that you found out the info was incorrect and that was all that mattered to this now being a case of some info not being false (which means you must have proof whatever it was that isn't false must be true)...


Oh, so you want me to share information sent in a pm?  The very thing you have been refusing to do this whole time? 

I accused him of trolling because he was.  I'll repeat again that he twisted my words into something I didn't say.  That's how the whole thing started.  The details haven't changed "yet again."  I was first told it was false, then later clarified that it wasn't completely false, just a small part of a bigger picture.  It's really as simple as that. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on June 07, 2016, 07:55:38 AM
When I was a new member prior to the Smile Sessions release, I was scared to death to post here because of the tone. Instead, I just read the archives for months on end -- which was far better than simply jumping right on and asking a stupid question or referring to a busted myth, only to be jumped upon by the veteran posters. I learned a lot more a lot faster than I would have if I had simply started cluttering up threads with ignorant crap.

It should be intimidating to post here-- you should know what the hell you're talking about, and be willing to defend yourself. Now, I feel far more comfortable here than I have any right to feel, and freely post ignorant crap. Newbies get used to it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: filledeplage on June 07, 2016, 08:44:00 AM
When I was a new member prior to the Smile Sessions release, I was scared to death to post here because of the tone. Instead, I just read the archives for months on end -- which was far better than simply jumping right on and asking a stupid question or referring to a busted myth, only to be jumped upon by the veteran posters. I learned a lot more a lot faster than I would have if I had simply started cluttering up threads with ignorant crap.

It should be intimidating to post here-- you should know what the hell you're talking about, and be willing to defend yourself. Now, I feel far more comfortable here than I have any right to feel, and freely post ignorant crap. Newbies get used to it.
While I was not afraid to post here, I lurked and surveyed the situation for a really long time before I posted, and damn straight you had better have some facts to back you up before you post. 

It is not for the faint of heart. Glad you stayed.  ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on June 07, 2016, 08:55:52 AM
OK, I am confused. Part of why AGD was banned was that he is alleged to have spread libelous information about Melinda Wilson, right? But The Kid now says only *part* of what he had been told was incorrect but is now claiming that the core information is true. Which is it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 07, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
OK, I am confused. Part of why AGD was banned was that he is alleged to have spread libelous information about Melinda Wilson, right? But The Kid now says only *part* of what he had been told was incorrect but is now claiming that the core information is true. Which is it?

That is the confusion shared by me as well as those who were accused by The Cinc. Kid of trolling when they asked similar questions. Which is it, and how was it proven what was true or untrue to the level The Kid is continuing to make these statements? It's either a case of the information being shown to be false and that was good enough several weeks ago to move on and drop the issue, or it's a case of some of it true and some of it not...it's confusing as hell as it is being explained.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 07, 2016, 10:15:22 AM
Continue this "discussion" in PMs, please. This is painful to behold.

Imagine you've just had your BB "Damascene moment" and you're looking for a forum to share your new-found joy. And you see this. ^^^^^    
Yes. These are exactly my thoughts, only expressed 100 times better.

This is the "Sandbox", which was set up specifically for off-topic, anything-goes types of rolling discussions. It is clearly labeled as such, and kept separate from the music discussions and all Beach Boys related topics and groups here.

Imagine fans looking for a forum to share their new found joy, and stumbling upon the "I Wrote Some BB FanFics" thread, and reading that stuff about Carl soaking up blood with his hair and other positive imagery about the band, etc...

No outrage there, though, right? It's good fun, apparently.

Because it's in the Sandbox, where it belongs, just like other off topic posts have gone for years.
I can not imagine how bloody Fanfics are pertinent. comment withdrawn.  Petty and unproductive.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 07, 2016, 10:29:57 AM
Continue this "discussion" in PMs, please. This is painful to behold.

Imagine you've just had your BB "Damascene moment" and you're looking for a forum to share your new-found joy. And you see this. ^^^^^     
Yes. These are exactly my thoughts, only expressed 100 times better.

This is the "Sandbox", which was set up specifically for off-topic, anything-goes types of rolling discussions. It is clearly labeled as such, and kept separate from the music discussions and all Beach Boys related topics and groups here.

Imagine fans looking for a forum to share their new found joy, and stumbling upon the "I Wrote Some BB FanFics" thread, and reading that stuff about Carl soaking up blood with his hair and other positive imagery about the band, etc...

No outrage there, though, right? It's good fun, apparently.

Because it's in the Sandbox, where it belongs, just like other off topic posts have gone for years.
I can not imagine how bloody Fanfics are pertinent.

The Sandbox is the Sandbox as it's been for years. I found it odd that this discussion in particular was called out as being painful or detrimental to new fans who might read it while many, many others seemed to have escaped the same scrutiny. I can say honestly and factually that other board members and readers found some of the imagery of putting Beach Boys band members into fantasy scenarios involving sex, blood, and auto accidents to be disturbing if not inappropriate enough to mention it to me - not sure about any other mods - and I used that as only one out of dozens of possible examples. And I happen to agree, for what it's worth, and speaking as myself. If a fan comes here to celebrate the band, or talk music, there are the forums to do that and thousands of posts to read. But I'd hate to think what a new fan or reader would think about this place if they stumbled on the FanFic posts.

This discussion is at least pertinent to the board as it is dealing with issues that have been coming up directly related to the board and board members, just like the 25+ page moderation thread here, the AGD ban thread here, and others. It's being kept off the main forums while allowing anyone who has something to say to voice those comments and not have them in the main forums. I don't know where the problem is, and I don't know why this thread in particular got called out specifically at the point in the discussion that it did. I'm more in favor of letting people talk freely instead of sweeping lingering issues under the carpet until they erupt again. It also lets others see if they choose what some of these hot-button issues are all about instead of reading lies and innuendo after the fact.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 07, 2016, 10:37:37 AM
OK, I am confused. Part of why AGD was banned was that he is alleged to have spread libelous information about Melinda Wilson, right? But The Kid now says only *part* of what he had been told was incorrect but is now claiming that the core information is true. Which is it?

I'm confused by a lot right now, but that's on me because I have been distracted by 'real' life.  I admit that I was part of the reason this happened in the first place, because I had taken everything I was told at face value, but the only thing Kid and I had discussed was the ending of the C50. This other stuff is going over my head, but again, I need to stress this...this is due to *me* and my availability (or current lack thereof). I know previously there had been accusations in the mod complaint thread that GF is doing this and doing that, and I'm not involved with any decisions. That is definitely not true, and sometimes I wonder if it would be better if it was like that because I can't be on here as often right now (I actually got to work early just so I could use the computer to post).

You know what I really wish, though? I wish we could all move past this and start fresh. Yeah, I know, I'm the typical hippie 'let's all be friends' type guy (and I'm not changing for anybody), but that's honestly what I wish for right now, for this board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 07, 2016, 10:39:50 AM
Quote
I found it odd that this discussion in particular was called out as being painful or detrimental to new fans who might read it while many, many others seemed to have escaped the same scrutiny

Speaking only for myself, I can't stand the word games/haikus/fanfics myself, but...I don't read them. I suspect others feel the same way. This gets more attention because, well, its actually a more important discussion? I dunno, just my own take on it, and I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 07, 2016, 02:53:32 PM
I'm glad I waited with answering until now (not least because of the intervening bottle of white wine, lol).

I agree with Billy----time to move past this. Of course it's more important than word games, etc because it concerns the future of Smiley. (I do like the idea of a separate section for creative stuff, out of everyone's way.)

See you folks elsewhere on the board.           


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 07, 2016, 03:12:25 PM
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(I do like the idea of a separate section for creative stuff, out of everyone's way.) 

Me too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 07, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
If these issues had been resolved, there wouldn't be numerous posters still asking about them and they would not be lingering in this and other threads after they were supposedly resolved weeks if not months ago. These issues with Cinc Kid will be addressed very soon.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 07, 2016, 05:52:38 PM
I have a suggestion, why don’t you adults quit trying to discredit the Kid by twisting his words into something he didn’t say and then accusing him over your word twisting? He has been very clear and consistent and is trying to be the adult in the thread.

Here it is: The info he received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  He wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  Someone else twisted his words into something he didn't say and that's how the whole thing started.  He was first told it was false, then later clarified that it wasn't completely false.

I’m not even involved and I understand it plain as day and my further suggestion is that what is happening or about to happen to him in this thread should cease. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 09, 2016, 07:53:11 AM
I have a suggestion, why don’t you adults quit trying to discredit the Kid by twisting his words into something he didn’t say and then accusing him over your word twisting? He has been very clear and consistent and is trying to be the adult in the thread.

Here it is: The info he received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  He wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  Someone else twisted his words into something he didn't say and that's how the whole thing started.  He was first told it was false, then later clarified that it wasn't completely false.

I’m not even involved and I understand it plain as day and my further suggestion is that what is happening or about to happen to him in this thread should cease.  


My intention was (and is and will be) in this case to put all the facts and words on the table and try clearing it all up without malice. There were issues that were assumed to have been resolved months ago and weeks ago that keep coming up, so apparently they are not resolved. I want everyone to get a fair shake and a fair airing out, and put it all on the table because others who weren't involved are getting involved, and some who were involved (myself included) are seeing things that don't seem to line up.

I'd like to see a resolution, but I also don't think moving on from the issues is possible if they are still lingering if not smoldering to the point they keep coming back after they were apparently resolved.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 09, 2016, 08:54:56 AM
I have a suggestion, why don’t you adults quit trying to discredit the Kid by twisting his words into something he didn’t say and then accusing him over your word twisting? He has been very clear and consistent and is trying to be the adult in the thread.

Here it is: The info he received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  He wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  Someone else twisted his words into something he didn't say and that's how the whole thing started.  He was first told it was false, then later clarified that it wasn't completely false.

I’m not even involved and I understand it plain as day and my further suggestion is that what is happening or about to happen to him in this thread should cease.  



My intention was (and is and will be) in this case to put all the facts and words on the table and try clearing it all up without malice. There were issues that were assumed to have been resolved months ago and weeks ago that keep coming up, so apparently they are not resolved. I want everyone to get a fair shake and a fair airing out, and put it all on the table because others who weren't involved are getting involved, and some who were involved (myself included) are seeing things that don't seem to line up.

I'd like to see a resolution, but I also don't think moving on from the issues is possible if they are still lingering if not smoldering to the point they keep coming back after they were apparently resolved.
Well said, GF!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 09, 2016, 09:19:25 AM


Here it is: The info he received had nothing to do with Melinda controlling Brian or forcing him to tour.  He wasn't hoodwinked or duped into believing anything.  Someone else twisted his words into something he didn't say and that's how the whole thing started.  He was first told it was false, then later clarified that it wasn't completely false.




It was in regards to the c50. That was it.the initial post that started this , however, did in fact make it seem like he was referring to Melinda, because the subject turned to her. Subsequent posts have clarified,  but the original post still caused confusion.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 10, 2016, 04:13:49 AM
Twisting words and twisted words cause confusion.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on June 14, 2016, 06:36:28 AM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 14, 2016, 08:12:20 AM
I stopped by that place 2 days ago. It's totally copy cat in every way shape and form. No originality going on with the usual suspects rehashing the same old crap they did here. They wholeheartedly so deserve each other. It was a genuine honor to be one of the first to be banned from that graveyard.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 08:35:23 AM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.

Agreed


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on June 14, 2016, 08:39:33 AM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 08:45:15 AM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.

Yup. What do I always say? If you want a friend, *be* a friend


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 09:20:57 AM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.
Rob, are you saying that they don't really feel the way they feel? That all 27 posters (so far), who mostly post at both places are lying about their feelings? Everyone has their reasons for either staying put here, leaving and coming to PSF or posting on both boards. Whether you think they are passive-aggressive shots or not, I think everyone has been quite polite with their wordings. Not counting the banned members from here, most who decided to leave here did not do so with warm & fuzzy feelings. You can't expect them to lie on PSF about that do you? And no one has gone overboard expressing those feelings either. As you can see over there, we do try to keep the peace and be civil with each other, but we also do not promote censorship. Folks have their say and move on to what they are actually there to do, to talk about The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: filledeplage on June 14, 2016, 09:23:21 AM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.

Yup. What do I always say? If you want a friend, *be* a friend
Billy - that is 100% true.  ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on June 14, 2016, 09:49:16 AM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.
Rob, are you saying that they don't really feel the way they feel? That all 27 posters (so far), who mostly post at both places are lying about their feelings? Everyone has their reasons for either staying put here, leaving and coming to PSF or posting on both boards. Whether you think they are passive-aggressive shots or not, I think everyone has been quite polite with their wordings. Not counting the banned members from here, most who decided to leave here did not do so with warm & fuzzy feelings. You can't expect them to lie on PSF about that do you? And no one has gone overboard expressing those feelings either. As you can see over there, we do try to keep the peace and be civil with each other, but we also do not promote censorship. Folks have their say and move on to what they are actually there to do, to talk about The Beach Boys.

I am not accusing anyone of dishonesty. I'm just saying if you want to be the Warm and Fuzzy Board, then you guys should actually be the Warm And Fuzzy Board. And to do that, it would further your cause along if people laid off of Smiley, laid off on "certain posters", and cartain mods.

Myself, the attacks here on Craig remind me of the Fall 1997 attacks on a former moderator on what was then Mike Wheeler's Brian Wilson WebPage and message board. The rretreat to a new board reminded me of Brad Elliott's Surf's Up Mailing List (FYI, Brad's list lasted 2, maybe 3 years at most).


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 10:09:05 AM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.
Rob, are you saying that they don't really feel the way they feel? That all 27 posters (so far), who mostly post at both places are lying about their feelings? Everyone has their reasons for either staying put here, leaving and coming to PSF or posting on both boards. Whether you think they are passive-aggressive shots or not, I think everyone has been quite polite with their wordings. Not counting the banned members from here, most who decided to leave here did not do so with warm & fuzzy feelings. You can't expect them to lie on PSF about that do you? And no one has gone overboard expressing those feelings either. As you can see over there, we do try to keep the peace and be civil with each other, but we also do not promote censorship. Folks have their say and move on to what they are actually there to do, to talk about The Beach Boys.

I am not accusing anyone of dishonesty. I'm just saying if you want to be the Warm and Fuzzy Board, then you guys should actually be the Warm And Fuzzy Board. And to do that, it would further your cause along if people laid off of Smiley, laid off on "certain posters", and cartain mods.

Myself, the attacks here on Craig remind me of the Fall 1997 attacks on a former moderator on what was then Mike Wheeler's Brian Wilson WebPage and message board. The rretreat to a new board reminded me of Brad Elliott's Surf's Up Mailing List (FYI, Brad's list lasted 2, maybe 3 years at most).
I understand where you are coming from, but you know people, they like to express themselves, good or ill and have their say. I never said our board was warm & fuzzy, just civil. Things have calmed down a lot over the past week or so, and will completely settle down eventually. As always, folks will find their niche, will settle in, and get comfortable.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 14, 2016, 05:02:31 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 05:12:06 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?

There's good and bad people over there, just like over here.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on June 14, 2016, 05:13:03 PM
and I will continue to visit all sites as I darn well wish


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 14, 2016, 05:15:30 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?

There's good and bad people over there, just like over here.

Agreed. I might have said well-intentioned and misguided and neither should be throwing rocks from their glass houses.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 05:45:31 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?

There's good and bad people over there, just like over here.

Agreed. I might have said well-intentioned and misguided and neither should be throwing rocks from their glass houses.

Here's the thing...some people *have* been banned for bullying, racist and/or sexist comments. That is a fact . Nobody has been banned for lying, although we have had issues with a few people being less than truthful, yes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 14, 2016, 05:59:52 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?
Is it despicable to use those descriptors in cases that the usage would be accurate?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 06:01:38 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?
Is it despicable to use those descriptors in cases that the usage would be accurate?

Nope, that would be true.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 14, 2016, 06:52:47 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?
Is it despicable to use those descriptors in cases that the usage would be accurate?

If it is said as a general statement about a group, yes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 14, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
What did someone over there call some of us over here "liars", "racists", "sexists" and/or "bullies"?  That would be despicable right?
Is it despicable to use those descriptors in cases that the usage would be accurate?

If it is said as a general statement about a group, yes.
I get your point and probably agree with it because I'm assuming you don't mean groups defined by those qualities like, say, the KKK.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 07:00:50 PM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.
Rob, are you saying that they don't really feel the way they feel? That all 27 posters (so far), who mostly post at both places are lying about their feelings? Everyone has their reasons for either staying put here, leaving and coming to PSF or posting on both boards. Whether you think they are passive-aggressive shots or not, I think everyone has been quite polite with their wordings. Not counting the banned members from here, most who decided to leave here did not do so with warm & fuzzy feelings. You can't expect them to lie on PSF about that do you? And no one has gone overboard expressing those feelings either. As you can see over there, we do try to keep the peace and be civil with each other, but we also do not promote censorship. Folks have their say and move on to what they are actually there to do, to talk about The Beach Boys.

Bullshit.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 07:07:04 PM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.
Rob, are you saying that they don't really feel the way they feel? That all 27 posters (so far), who mostly post at both places are lying about their feelings? Everyone has their reasons for either staying put here, leaving and coming to PSF or posting on both boards. Whether you think they are passive-aggressive shots or not, I think everyone has been quite polite with their wordings. Not counting the banned members from here, most who decided to leave here did not do so with warm & fuzzy feelings. You can't expect them to lie on PSF about that do you? And no one has gone overboard expressing those feelings either. As you can see over there, we do try to keep the peace and be civil with each other, but we also do not promote censorship. Folks have their say and move on to what they are actually there to do, to talk about The Beach Boys.

Bullshit.
You need to grow up, little man. I think that time is now. With all of the stuff that is said on this board, you can never, ever speak to me regarding disparaging remarks in a forum. Bullshit right back at cha, little man!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 07:12:19 PM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.

That's the crux of it, yes. As far as posters. There is more to it that no one wants to be honest about.

Examples of that drama? Here:

I've been told by someone that several insiders now stay away from this board because they consider GF to be a bad mod.

I've been told by someone that several insiders now stay away from this board because they consider GF to be a bad mod.

I've been told things about several insiders too. We should compare notes.


Are these insiders moderating a BB's msg board?

No, doing other things insiders do.

What I would like to bring up is something a few of us mod types were kicking around in conversation, just loose talk and idle chatter like workers grabbing a soda and snack in the break room during a long shift.

Some things came up in those chats like which of the newer registered members could be "Mike's Beard", who had been banned in late December and then bragged on the Hoffman board prior to it being locked down how he managed to evade the ban, re-register on this forum under a new account and alias, and use IP masking tools in order to get back in under the ban.

It was kicked around, just casual conversation, no big deal.

You wouldn't happen to have any opinions on that, would you Mike's Beard... oops, I meant opinions on Mike's Beard, would you? Sorry for the slip of the tongue.

Just asking. ;D
#1- I'm not whoever this mike's beard guy is.
#2 - Whatever you may or may not know about insiders has nothing to do with the word that you have driven some of them away from this board.

I misspell a word and this makes me someone else??
Maybe you should post that in the conspiracies thread.
This has gone beyond the bizarre.

Once last word before I bid you all farewell.
Craig, you are the most overbearing, blowhard, bellend I have ever come across.
Debbie, Brian dumped your saggy ass decades ago- move on.
Rab, NPP is still a big steaming pile of dogshit.
Billy, have fun in your sheltered accomodation, loser.

See you all under my next alias
MB.




If people want to be around that kind of garbage, you know where to find it. Welcome this crap back with open arms?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on June 14, 2016, 07:12:28 PM
 :jedi


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 07:14:50 PM
Again, I will take their pleas for peace seriously if every single post in their "why are you here" thread wasn't a passive agressive shot at Smiley and certain Smiley posters and mods.
Rob, are you saying that they don't really feel the way they feel? That all 27 posters (so far), who mostly post at both places are lying about their feelings? Everyone has their reasons for either staying put here, leaving and coming to PSF or posting on both boards. Whether you think they are passive-aggressive shots or not, I think everyone has been quite polite with their wordings. Not counting the banned members from here, most who decided to leave here did not do so with warm & fuzzy feelings. You can't expect them to lie on PSF about that do you? And no one has gone overboard expressing those feelings either. As you can see over there, we do try to keep the peace and be civil with each other, but we also do not promote censorship. Folks have their say and move on to what they are actually there to do, to talk about The Beach Boys.

Bullshit.
You need to grow up, little man. I think that time is now. With all of the stuff that is said on this board, you can never, ever speak to me regarding disparaging remarks in a forum. Bullshit right back at cha, little man!

I can and will speak to you, and in this case I'm calling you a bullshitter who can't hear the truth when spelled out multiple times, and who won't be honest enough to come clean and tell everyone what's really going on and who is involved.

I think you need to fess up, Doc. Stop lying to everyone.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 07:19:00 PM
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You two may make the final decision together, but you will never convince me that when threads start to breakdown, that Craig isn't influencing the action in that particular thread.


Then you *really* don't know the first thing about me, if you think I'm that easily influenced. If that were true, you'd have been gone a long time ago. Just an fyi.
To be honest Billy, I don't know a thing about you! Like you, I converse behind a computer and we really know nothing else about each other.  I should have left along with the mass migration at AGD's banning. I think Rab finally opened my eyes to who I am dealing with here, especially with Craig. Quite the wake up call for me, Billy. While I don't think you are that way (who really knows, huh?), I don't want to deal with the people in here whose fandom is that radical. So, like all the others who saw the writing on the wall, it is now my turn to take leave of this place. To my friends in here, good luck and I am sure we will see each other on the Net and converse through email. What was it that Brian & Mike wrote? "I gotta find a new place where the kids are hip." Adios!

Did the door hit you in the head instead of your ass as you were leaving this place?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 07:48:55 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.

That's the crux of it, yes. As far as posters. There is more to it that no one wants to be honest about.

Examples of that drama? Here:

I've been told by someone that several insiders now stay away from this board because they consider GF to be a bad mod.

I've been told by someone that several insiders now stay away from this board because they consider GF to be a bad mod.

I've been told things about several insiders too. We should compare notes.


Are these insiders moderating a BB's msg board?

No, doing other things insiders do.

What I would like to bring up is something a few of us mod types were kicking around in conversation, just loose talk and idle chatter like workers grabbing a soda and snack in the break room during a long shift.

Some things came up in those chats like which of the newer registered members could be "Mike's Beard", who had been banned in late December and then bragged on the Hoffman board prior to it being locked down how he managed to evade the ban, re-register on this forum under a new account and alias, and use IP masking tools in order to get back in under the ban.

It was kicked around, just casual conversation, no big deal.

You wouldn't happen to have any opinions on that, would you Mike's Beard... oops, I meant opinions on Mike's Beard, would you? Sorry for the slip of the tongue.

Just asking. ;D
#1- I'm not whoever this mike's beard guy is.
#2 - Whatever you may or may not know about insiders has nothing to do with the word that you have driven some of them away from this board.

I misspell a word and this makes me someone else??
Maybe you should post that in the conspiracies thread.
This has gone beyond the bizarre.

Once last word before I bid you all farewell.
Craig, you are the most overbearing, blowhard, bellend I have ever come across.
Debbie, Brian dumped your saggy ass decades ago- move on.
Rab, NPP is still a big steaming pile of dogshit.
Billy, have fun in your sheltered accomodation, loser.

See you all under my next alias
MB.




If people want to be around that kind of garbage, you know where to find it. Welcome this crap back with open arms?


I could've gone my whole life without ever seeing that post again and it would've still been too soon. Like removing stitches with rusty tweezers.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 07:53:05 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: 18thofMay on June 14, 2016, 07:55:25 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?

100% No is my guess!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 07:55:46 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

More bullshit. Just tell the truth and let people know what's behind the new board. The guy(s) who started this blame me for everything going to hell nonsense have been exposed as liars at worst, people with difficulty telling the truth at best.

The thing is, Doc, I can tell the truth about how all of this started with this tactic of trying to blame me for all the ills of this board, with histories of posts, messages, names, and the like. But that will get ugly, and not for me but for those who engaged in it and the reasons why.

So again, Doc, just be honest and tell the truth about what's behind your new board, if it really is your board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 07:59:30 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?

100% No is my guess!

The fake names were there before the board opened, and in at least two cases were used to take shots at me, suggest I was the reason for things going to hell, and call for me to be removed, and in one case deny what actually happened.

Honest, upfront stuff, right?

The fake names are just a minor symptom, the actual root of this is much bigger.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 08:00:34 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?
I am not their keeper. Go ask them. You act as if this fake name stuff is as bad as murder or something. Maybe don't keep dredging their names up after you ban them. People tend to want to defend themselves. I say to you, don't give them a reason to do it, and they probably won't.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 08:03:39 PM
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am not their keeper. Go ask them. You act as if this fake name stuff is as bad as murder or something

Maybe not for some, but for some of us losers who are about to move to sheltered accommodation, it is.

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People tend to want to defend themselves.

True...which is why Craig has been defending himself.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 08:06:16 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?
I am not their keeper. Go ask them. You act as if this fake name stuff is as bad as murder or something. Maybe don't keep dredging their names up after you ban them. People tend to want to defend themselves. I say to you, don't give them a reason to do it, and they probably won't.

Again, more bullshit as usual. You have no idea what you're talking about, and it doesn't let it stop you. It wasn't the moderators who kept making banned members an issue on the public boards here, Doc, in many cases it was people who must have been friends who kept harping on the bans instead of letting it go and coming here to post.

Tell the truth, Doc.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?

100% No is my guess!

The fake names were there before the board opened, and in at least two cases were used to take shots at me, suggest I was the reason for things going to hell, and call for me to be removed, and in one case deny what actually happened.

Honest, upfront stuff, right?

The fake names are just a minor symptom, the actual root of this is much bigger.

Why is this such a big deal to you? It happens. There is no full proof way to keep an eye on it. All you can do is deal with it each time it happens. Harping on it isn't going to make it stop.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 08:10:45 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?

100% No is my guess!

The fake names were there before the board opened, and in at least two cases were used to take shots at me, suggest I was the reason for things going to hell, and call for me to be removed, and in one case deny what actually happened.

Honest, upfront stuff, right?

The fake names are just a minor symptom, the actual root of this is much bigger.

Why is this such a big deal to you? It happens. There is no full proof way to keep an eye on it. All you can do is deal with it each time it happens. Harping on it isn't going to make it stop.

The fake names are not as big of a deal as the dishonesty that has been going on around so much of this sh*t that seems to involve you, and you cannot hear the truth if it's not what you want to hear. The majority of your posts in the past month have been bullshit that in some cases is just you arguing and insisting things are a certain way after hearing and seeing proof that you were wrong. It fits in very well with some of the people who you have now welcomed back, and in more ways than I think you even realize.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 14, 2016, 08:20:30 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?
I am not their keeper. Go ask them. You act as if this fake name stuff is as bad as murder or something. Maybe don't keep dredging their names up after you ban them. People tend to want to defend themselves. I say to you, don't give them a reason to do it, and they probably won't.

Again, more bullshit as usual. You have no idea what you're talking about, and it doesn't let it stop you. It wasn't the moderators who kept making banned members an issue on the public boards here, Doc, in many cases it was people who must have been friends who kept harping on the bans instead of letting it go and coming here to post.

Tell the truth, Doc.
Whatever the reason, whatever the cause, it is done. It is finished. There is no take backs. Move on. This has been going on and on and on for months now and all of this fighting and justifying has not changed anything. The people who stayed are still here, the people who left are still gone. The folks who don't gave a damn are at both forums. It's like running in place. We never make any headway. Gotta go, I have an early plane to catch. Have a good evening.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 08:25:01 PM
Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board. No matter what you do or what you say, you will never change what happened in here. Accept it and move on. The only reason this is still an issue is because you just won't let it go away. As long as you keep yapping at me, expect a response and one you probably won't like. If you let it die, then so will I.

If he lets it die, will members from the new forum still keep coming back here to take shots under fake names?
I am not their keeper. Go ask them. You act as if this fake name stuff is as bad as murder or something. Maybe don't keep dredging their names up after you ban them. People tend to want to defend themselves. I say to you, don't give them a reason to do it, and they probably won't.

Again, more bullshit as usual. You have no idea what you're talking about, and it doesn't let it stop you. It wasn't the moderators who kept making banned members an issue on the public boards here, Doc, in many cases it was people who must have been friends who kept harping on the bans instead of letting it go and coming here to post.

Tell the truth, Doc.
Whatever the reason, whatever the cause, it is done. It is finished. There is no take backs. Move on. This has been going on and on and on for months now and all of this fighting and justifying has not changed anything. The people who stayed are still here, the people who left are still gone. The folks who don't gave a damn are at both forums. It's like running in place. We never make any headway. Gotta go, I have an early plane to catch. Have a good evening.

It isn't finished Doc until you tell people the truth and stop this damn facade.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 14, 2016, 08:28:19 PM
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Whatever the reason, whatever the cause, it is done. It is finished. There is no take backs. Move on

As long as it stays finished on both sides. You know, I'm not perfect...there's a lot of things I can't do...I can't stop the fighting and bickering, I can't fly, I can't divide by zero, nor can I provide for my family. One thing I *can* do, however, is call things as I see them, and all I know is that the gloves are now off for me.

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Craiggy, if you would just shut the hell up and stop calling out people and act like a real moderator, then yes, I would be happy to leave and never come back. You are such a narcissist that you cannot accept that you totally screwed up your own board

First of all, it's not 'Craig's board'. No matter how many times I state this, it always comes back to this, don't it? I mean, heck, when the Andrew ban happened, no matter how many times I attempted to make it clear that I approached Craig about it, it kept being turned around that 'oh it was all him' and basically imply that I'm nothing more than a damn puppet. And now, it's 'his board'. The hell with that, it's not his board any more than it's mine. It's Charles's board and we help run it, but I get the implication.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 14, 2016, 08:29:47 PM
And since this got put in the "oops" thread, I'll post it here for Doc to read as well in case he missed it. Definitely on topic, and sums up where I stand.

Craig, please, ease up before your blood pressure gets the better of you.

I was honoured to receive an early invite to the board shortly after it was foundered. I checked it out, liked what I saw, and invited a few folk I regard as friends and others I'd had pleasant dealings with here and elsewhere. I'd've invited plenty more if I'd had the time but I have a job, two young kids and four new copies of Pet Sounds to listen to, so time is limited.

I've no investment there, no vested interest. I'm not an admin or a mod, nor am I paying for hosting or a thing. I just like it there.

Debbie I'm really sorry you weren't one of those who received an invite from anyone but, as has been stated, it's a very open place and everyone seems to be made welcome.

Craig, have you considered joining? Without the burden of moderation, you might find it a chilled experience. I'm enjoying posting there without having to consider whether my posts will bring out a tirade of ridicule or abuse, or whether I might be added to a watch list.

Gotta go, the Mrs has chores for me.

Why would I post there, John, or want to be a part of it? The fact remains that lies and malicious comments were spread here on Smiley to who knows how many people via PM about Brian's wife, kids, and marriage, along with disgusting comments about other board members. And now these people are being welcomed and embraced at this new forum?

I was also lied about and blamed for things I simply did not do, and guys like your new admin have simply refused to admit the truth is actually the truth after being told how things happened by the actual people involved repeatedly for months. Some of those also welcomed back were part of a fucking campaign to discredit me and bash me that went across several boards and social media, and ultimately the plot failed. And it will continue to fail because they're liars. So much for the campaign to have a free election for mods here, after one of those involved (also welcomed back) didn't use spell-check.

Now do you seriously think after being involved in all of this for over a decade with assorted boards and forums that I watched implode that I don't have an inkling at what's going on here?

If there were a bit of honesty involved in how it all suddenly came to be that a new board appeared after Lee Dempsey quit in a huff once he heard Andrew Doe was banned, after Steve Mayo and/or Forrest Gump started posting about deleting posts only to find it was all coming from the same place, after another regular poster registered as a fake name and account and basically lied to my face...

Then suddenly a new board shows up, where Andrew Doe was taking a role in promoting it and inviting people to it, both privately and publicly, where you and Alan Smith were doing the same things after being two of the most vocal critics against me and who were advocating for my removal or replacement, and after we now have Lee's partner in ESQ David Beard going on a radio interview and promoting both Andrew Doe and this new board as the go-to place for Beach boys information...after finding out what was found out with this PM campaign or whatever you want to call it to bash Melinda Wilson and anyone else who Andrew had issues with...

It's sick stuff, man. That's all I can say.

If you expect people to conveniently whitewash the history and forget about all that has gone down, and say "We have a new board which is *the* source for Beach Boys news and information", and among the contributors and most prominent members and posters are people who have been caught lying and gossiping about everything from people's marriages and personal lives to who they actually are versus setting up alias accounts on numerous fan forums, then they have to either go along with the whitewash and hit the "reset" button and suddenly believe all of this is clean, or ask how and why all of this suddenly came together after Andrew's ban on this forum and yet another failed attempt to remove what certain elements tried to blame as the reason why this board was "ruined".

If honesty has been the order of the day, that's fine. But these things do not just happen randomly. How about a little honesty that runs as deep as the whole thing actually runs versus trying to put a facade on everything to make it more palatable?

The go-to place for Beach Boys information? Hardly.




Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 14, 2016, 11:54:33 PM
So again, Doc, just be honest and tell the truth about what's behind your new board, if it really is your board.

I hate to break up this tinfoil hat party, but I thought I would provide some facts to counteract the wild, baseless speculation that has run rampant on this topic. I know I've said my goodbyes, but enough is enough. The catalyst for the new board that you seem to believe is AGD or Mike Love or something along those lines? Yeah, well, that catalyst was me. It was me. Me. And I will be as frank as possible so there can be no alternate interpretations of this statement (we'll see how that goes), I am neither individual, nor am I influenced by either individual. During a moment in time near AGD's ban, I created a group chat of sorts for various members of Smiley Smile. AGD and Mike Love never received invitations to this group. I thought it would be nice to have a place where a bunch of members could reconnect outside of the board, and everyone seemed pleased to be a part of it. Of course, we all being past and present members of this board, conversation naturally touched upon the subject of Smiley Smile more than once, and it mainly consisted of dissatisfaction. I believe someone contacted Lee Dempsey about the new board he briefly spoke of, but when we asked we were told it was something he had not even begun to look into. We began talking amongst ourselves about creating our own forum, which is when drbeachboy stepped forward and took the reigns. I told the group about a small, tangential board Swedish Frog had once created for a group of friends, and drbeachboy and SF got in touch and quickly created what you now know as the Pet Sounds forum.

That's the entire story.

Let's answer a few other questions while we're at it:

1. "Why were members inviting people rather than the staff?"
The staff were inviting people. I sent a small number of them, and if anyone wishes to step forward and confirm this, then do so. To use your burger joint analogy, Guitarfool, have you ever heard of "word of mouth?" When people like what a burger joint has to offer, they tell their friends. People have made friendships on this board, and naturally they would like to continue those friendships, even if it's outside the context of Smiley Smile. And so, many members of the new forum invited others to join the new forum. Shocking stuff, right?

2. "Why did AGD promote PS on his Facebook?"
I have no clue. No one asked him to. That guy's, like, on every Beach Boys board. We all found out he shared the Pet Sounds forum because this very topic was created in the sandbox. I grimaced when I learned the new board had been made public, and I'm sure more than a few others did as well--not because we're hiding something, but because we wanted to avoid the very thing that is now happening in this thread. But, hey, it mostly turned out fine for us: a lot of people joined because he shared the link to our website. Thanks, Mr. Doe. And, yes, he was invited, and so were multiple other Beach Boy-related people. Even Ed Roach joined our new board.

3. "Why are banned people coming back that's gross"
They were banned from this website--not from the internet. If they want to earn themselves a ban at the new forum, they are more than welcome to. As has been an important point to establish, Smiley Smile business is not Pet Sounds business. This is why people were banned early on. The message needed to be made clear that the things that happened here were not to be carried over onto the new board. That goes for everyone. If all of OSD's posts hadn't been created to attack drbeachboy, he might not even have been banned yet. Same general principle goes for Andy Botwin. And neither are banned anymore. So come on back, OSD. Prove us wrong. Or just be a jerk and get banned again. It's up to you, man.

4. "Why did David Beard promote the new board?"
Well, probably because David Beard has not had the warmest reception here. And that's putting it mildly. I'm sure if he wanted to promote a site for bickering and insane conspiracy theories, this would be on top of his list. Way to go, you guys. As it stands, the Pet Sounds forum is focused on Beach boys news and info, so his words were more than sensible.

5. "Why did no one invite me?"
I have a long list of names I wanted to invite (as do others), but I never got around to talking to them all. That's my fault. The bottom line is this: you don't need to be invited to join the new board. Everyone is welcome, and you yourself (through your actions) will decide how long you'll stay.


But, yeah, I know. Look at me, being all realistic and stuff. I'm sure I'll basically be called a liar, and it will turn out that I'm a secret agent sent from Russia to lull you into a deep sleep so I can harvest your bodies for the fountain of youth that will keep Mike Love young. There's no dark story here, guys. You've just heard the whole thing. Whether or not you're going to choose to believe the truth when it is so brazenly put in front of your face, I can't control that. I was hoping that this could be put behind us when the new board was created, and we could go our separate ways. Y'know, maybe we could exchange a stunted salutation like we're neighbors who fight over plants reaching into each others yards. Please.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 15, 2016, 12:09:45 AM
In my recent interview I mentioned the Pet Sounds Forum, but the promotion was for Andrew Doe's Bellagio site, which is located via the sign post nailed to the palm tree on ESQ's landing page. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 15, 2016, 12:11:41 AM
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Why did AGD promote PS on his Facebook?"
I have no clue. No one asked him to. That guy's, like, on every Beach Boys board. We found out he shared the Pet Sounds forum when this very topic was created in the sandbox. I grimaced when I learned the new board had been made public, and I'm sure more than a few others did as well--not because we're hiding something, but because we wanted to avoid the very thing that is now happening in this thread. But, hey, it mostly turned out fine for us: a lot of people joined because he shared the link to our board.

Then why was he PM'ing members about the forum before he was banned? Which I personally don't have an issue with (internet is big enough for more than one board, after all), but it doesn't jibe with what you just said. That said, you might not have known, or it may be a different forum.

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3. "Why are banned people coming back that's gross"
They were banned from this website--not from the internet. If they want to earn themselves a ban at the new forum, they are more than welcome to

The issue for me isn't banned people posting over there....it's not my board, I have no jurisdiction nor do I pretend to . My issue lies with people who were banned from here coming back  *here* and posting under a different name after registering there. Mike's Beard/China Pig isn't the only one by far, but was the only one with the guts to fess up when confronted...as much as I was hurt and angered by that slam.  

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4. "Why did David Beard promote the new board?"
Well, probably because David Beard has not had the warmest reception here. And that's putting it mildly. I'm sure if he wanted to promote a site for bickering and insane conspiracy theories, this would be on top of his list. Way to go, you guys. As it stands, the Pet Sounds forum is focused on Beach boys news and info, so his words were more than sensible.

Every time we try to redirect it on Beach Boys news and info, it gets sidetracked. So rather than contribute to it, make the board a better place  by making the board a better place . (No, I'm not saying this to you, I'm speaking generally). A lot of it is bickering about the bickering, which leads to more bickering....gah....I'm personally over it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 15, 2016, 12:20:48 AM
Then why was he PM'ing members about the forum before he was banned? Which I personally don't have an issue with (internet is big enough for more than one board, after all), but it doesn't jibe with what you just said. That said, you might not have known, or it may be a different forum.

The new board didn't exist before Andrew was banned. Simple as that. Even the group chat didn't exist before Andrew was banned. Whatever he was talking about, it wasn't the Pet Sounds forum. Of course, I haven't read these PMs, so it is not possible for me to give you a more nuanced answer than that. I told Doc about the forum Andersson had once created on the 27th of May. Drbeachboy first spoke to Andersson about the board on the 27th of May. Swedish Frog, using proboards resources, set to work and managed to open the board on the 28th of May. The entire, two-month conversation (that concerns more than the creation of the new board) still exists, and it provides ample evidence of these claims.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 15, 2016, 12:26:37 AM
Then why was he PM'ing members about the forum before he was banned? Which I personally don't have an issue with (internet is big enough for more than one board, after all), but it doesn't jibe with what you just said. That said, you might not have known, or it may be a different forum.

The new board didn't exist before Andrew was banned. Simple as that. Even the group chat didn't exist before Andrew was banned. Whatever he was talking about, it wasn't the Pet Sounds forum. Of course, I haven't read these PMs, so it is not possible for me to give you a more nuanced answer than that. I told Doc about the forum Andersson had once created on the 27th of May. Drbeachboy first spoke to Andersson about the board on the 27th of May. Swedish Frog, using proboards resources, set to work and managed to open the board on the 28th of May. The entire, two-month conversation (that concerns more than the creation of the new board) still exists, and it provides ample evidence of these claims.

Ok..that makes sense. Probably was just a what if type thing


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 15, 2016, 02:48:59 AM
I'm a secret agent sent from Russia to lull you into a deep sleep so I can harvest your bodies for the fountain of youth that will keep Mike Love young.

 :lol :lol :lol

A much-needed dose of levity. I hope Mr. Waves does something with this obvious talent of his.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on June 15, 2016, 06:12:58 AM
So again, Doc, just be honest and tell the truth about what's behind your new board, if it really is your board.

I hate to break up this tinfoil hat party, but I thought I would provide some facts to counteract the wild, baseless speculation that has run rampant on this topic. I know I've said my goodbyes, but enough is enough. The catalyst for the new board that you seem to believe is AGD or Mike Love or something along those lines? Yeah, well, that catalyst was me. It was me. Me. And I will be as frank as possible so there can be no alternate interpretations of this statement (we'll see how that goes), I am neither individual, nor am I influenced by either individual. During a moment in time near AGD's ban, I created a group chat of sorts for various members of Smiley Smile. AGD and Mike Love never received invitations to this group. I thought it would be nice to have a place where a bunch of members could reconnect outside of the board, and everyone seemed pleased to be a part of it. Of course, we all being past and present members of this board, conversation naturally touched upon the subject of Smiley Smile more than once, and it mainly consisted of dissatisfaction. I believe someone contacted Lee Dempsey about the new board he briefly spoke of, but when we asked we were told it was something he had not even begun to look into. We began talking amongst ourselves about creating our own forum, which is when drbeachboy stepped forward and took the reigns. I told the group about a small, tangential board Swedish Frog had once created for a group of friends, and drbeachboy and SF got in touch and quickly created what you now know as the Pet Sounds forum.

That's the entire story.

Let's answer a few other questions while we're at it:

1. "Why were members inviting people rather than the staff?"
The staff were inviting people. I sent a small number of them, and if anyone wishes to step forward and confirm this, then do so. To use your burger joint analogy, Guitarfool, have you ever heard of "word of mouth?" When people like what a burger joint has to offer, they tell their friends. People have made friendships on this board, and naturally they would like to continue those friendships, even if it's outside the context of Smiley Smile. And so, many members of the new forum invited others to join the new forum. Shocking stuff, right?

2. "Why did AGD promote PS on his Facebook?"
I have no clue. No one asked him to. That guy's, like, on every Beach Boys board. We all found out he shared the Pet Sounds forum because this very topic was created in the sandbox. I grimaced when I learned the new board had been made public, and I'm sure more than a few others did as well--not because we're hiding something, but because we wanted to avoid the very thing that is now happening in this thread. But, hey, it mostly turned out fine for us: a lot of people joined because he shared the link to our website. Thanks, Mr. Doe. And, yes, he was invited, and so were multiple other Beach Boy-related people. Even Ed Roach joined our new board.

3. "Why are banned people coming back that's gross"
They were banned from this website--not from the internet. If they want to earn themselves a ban at the new forum, they are more than welcome to. As has been an important point to establish, Smiley Smile business is not Pet Sounds business. This is why people were banned early on. The message needed to be made clear that the things that happened here were not to be carried over onto the new board. That goes for everyone. If all of OSD's posts hadn't been created to attack drbeachboy, he might not even have been banned yet. Same general principle goes for Andy Botwin. And neither are banned anymore. So come on back, OSD. Prove us wrong. Or just be a jerk and get banned again. It's up to you, man.

4. "Why did David Beard promote the new board?"
Well, probably because David Beard has not had the warmest reception here. And that's putting it mildly. I'm sure if he wanted to promote a site for bickering and insane conspiracy theories, this would be on top of his list. Way to go, you guys. As it stands, the Pet Sounds forum is focused on Beach boys news and info, so his words were more than sensible.

5. "Why did no one invite me?"
I have a long list of names I wanted to invite (as do others), but I never got around to talking to them all. That's my fault. The bottom line is this: you don't need to be invited to join the new board. Everyone is welcome, and you yourself (through your actions) will decide how long you'll stay.


But, yeah, I know. Look at me, being all realistic and stuff. I'm sure I'll basically be called a liar, and it will turn out that I'm a secret agent sent from Russia to lull you into a deep sleep so I can harvest your bodies for the fountain of youth that will keep Mike Love young. There's no dark story here, guys. You've just heard the whole thing. Whether or not you're going to choose to believe the truth when it is so brazenly put in front of your face, I can't control that. I was hoping that this could be put behind us when the new board was created, and we could go our separate ways. Y'know, maybe we could exchange a stunted salutation like we're neighbors who fight over plants reaching into each others yards. Please.

Fuckin Hell...GF is gonna have to write a full length novel to answer each part of this one  ;D  Just kidding, I love you all  :grouphug


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: LeeDempsey on June 15, 2016, 06:48:16 AM
I believe someone contacted Lee Dempsey about the new board he briefly spoke of, but when we asked we were told it was something he had not even begun to look into.

Bubbly's statement is 100% accurate.  That is the total extent of my -- and ESQ's -- participation in the origins of the PS board.

Nor am I personally, or ESQ as an entity, involved in the financing of the board.  (Comment added 6/19/16.)

And yes, I logged into this board just to say that.

Lee


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 15, 2016, 07:35:20 AM
Thank you for the replies. No book-length dissertations - yet - simply because I don't have the time right now. But I will address and reply to some of the points made in the various replies when I can. I appreciate the replies and will address them in kind. Some of the points I raised were not what was answered or addressed/defended, so I will follow up.

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on June 15, 2016, 07:54:17 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 15, 2016, 07:58:10 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

 :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 15, 2016, 08:01:50 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: HeyJude on June 15, 2016, 08:05:23 AM

4. "Why did David Beard promote the new board?"
Well, probably because David Beard has not had the warmest reception here. And that's putting it mildly. I'm sure if he wanted to promote a site for bickering and insane conspiracy theories, this would be on top of his list. Way to go, you guys. As it stands, the Pet Sounds forum is focused on Beach boys news and info, so his words were more than sensible.

I'd just to point out, regarding this particular point, that the lack of a warm reception was, in my view, due entirely to a small group of some pretty inflammatory "articles" penned by Mr. Beard.

My recollection is that Mr. Beard and ESQ over the years have been pretty warmly received on the board. ESQ may be seen by some as sometimes a bit too light and fluffy, lacking the more hard news and straight shooting opinions of something like "Beatlefan", but that light and fluffy nature also meant there was rarely anything in it that had the possibility of being inflammatory. As even detractors have pointed out in the past, we'd certainly rather have ESQ than not.

But there was a short string of articles penned by him and published online last year that hugely disappointed and troubled many longtime fans. That these sorts of articles were written not by some casual fan internet troll but by the editor of the only active Beach Boys fanzine was what was particularly troubling.

Some readers of those articles took Mr. Beard to task for those articles, and rightly so. In a functional sense, I can understand why he no longer felt this place, or at least some posters, received him warmly. But in my view, his own articles (at least one of which was pulled, edited, etc.) were what stoked those flames. They stoked the flames of discord among fans, and I'd argue stoked the flames of discord *within* the band.

You can't e-mail Mike Love, ask him about Brian's new single, and then just let Mike go on a multi-paragraph diatribe and then just publish the transcript, and then not be questioned about lack of follow-up questions and not be questioned about the motives and circumstances of such a piece.

You can't write an article suggesting that only "on occasion" does Brian join in with his band and sing, and bluntly and ham-handedly pose and answer the rhetorical question of "Is he brain damaged? Yes." and not expect criticism.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 15, 2016, 08:18:59 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 15, 2016, 08:45:02 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 

Personalized domain names and related fees for registrations and hosting/bandwidth use related to those domains are not free. Someone has to pay the bills.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on June 15, 2016, 09:04:32 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 

Personalized domain names and related fees for registrations and hosting/bandwidth use related to those domains are not free. Someone has to pay the bills.

You're correct, my mistake.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 15, 2016, 09:10:50 AM

4. "Why did David Beard promote the new board?"
Well, probably because David Beard has not had the warmest reception here. And that's putting it mildly. I'm sure if he wanted to promote a site for bickering and insane conspiracy theories, this would be on top of his list. Way to go, you guys. As it stands, the Pet Sounds forum is focused on Beach boys news and info, so his words were more than sensible.

I'd just to point out, regarding this particular point, that the lack of a warm reception was, in my view, due entirely to a small group of some pretty inflammatory "articles" penned by Mr. Beard.

My recollection is that Mr. Beard and ESQ over the years have been pretty warmly received on the board. ESQ may be seen by some as sometimes a bit too light and fluffy, lacking the more hard news and straight shooting opinions of something like "Beatlefan", but that light and fluffy nature also meant there was rarely anything in it that had the possibility of being inflammatory. As even detractors have pointed out in the past, we'd certainly rather have ESQ than not.

But there was a short string of articles penned by him and published online last year that hugely disappointed and troubled many longtime fans. That these sorts of articles were written not by some casual fan internet troll but by the editor of the only active Beach Boys fanzine was what was particularly troubling.

Some readers of those articles took Mr. Beard to task for those articles, and rightly so. In a functional sense, I can understand why he no longer felt this place, or at least some posters, received him warmly. But in my view, his own articles (at least one of which was pulled, edited, etc.) were what stoked those flames. They stoked the flames of discord among fans, and I'd argue stoked the flames of discord *within* the band.

You can't e-mail Mike Love, ask him about Brian's new single, and then just let Mike go on a multi-paragraph diatribe and then just publish the transcript, and then not be questioned about lack of follow-up questions and not be questioned about the motives and circumstances of such a piece.

You can't write an article suggesting that only "on occasion" does Brian join in with his band and sing, and bluntly and ham-handedly pose and answer the rhetorical question of "Is he brain damaged? Yes." and not expect criticism.

David has years of experience so I doubt he was bothered by people expressing their opinions, I'm guessing it was more the personal and insulting way it was expressed by many.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on June 15, 2016, 09:50:09 AM


1. "Why were members inviting people rather than the staff?"
The staff were inviting people. I sent a small number of them, and if anyone wishes to step forward and confirm this, then do so. To use your burger joint analogy, Guitarfool, have you ever heard of "word of mouth?" When people like what a burger joint has to offer, they tell their friends. People have made friendships on this board, and naturally they would like to continue those friendships, even if it's outside the context of Smiley Smile. And so, many members of the new forum invited others to join the new forum. Shocking stuff, right?

I'll confirm this. I was 'invited' by a few people, 3 of whom are/were 'officially' involved in the board (mod, admin, tech). I didn't really consider it a formal invitation, like to a party. I never thought that if you don't receive one, you can't go. Nor did I think that they had to come from specific hosts. My impression was that it was just people at the new board for whatever reason saying 'hey there's a new board. Check it out sometime." As B.W. says.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 15, 2016, 10:19:10 AM


1. "Why were members inviting people rather than the staff?"
The staff were inviting people. I sent a small number of them, and if anyone wishes to step forward and confirm this, then do so. To use your burger joint analogy, Guitarfool, have you ever heard of "word of mouth?" When people like what a burger joint has to offer, they tell their friends. People have made friendships on this board, and naturally they would like to continue those friendships, even if it's outside the context of Smiley Smile. And so, many members of the new forum invited others to join the new forum. Shocking stuff, right?

I'll confirm this. I was 'invited' by a few people, 3 of whom are/were 'officially' involved in the board (mod, admin, tech). I didn't really consider it a formal invitation, like to a party. I never thought that if you don't receive one, you can't go. Nor did I think that they had to come from specific hosts. My impression was that it was just people at the new board for whatever reason saying 'hey there's a new board. Check it out sometime." As B.W. says.

Same here. I had one PM'ed invite from someone I greatly respect and another from an equally respected person expressing regret that I'd thought about it and decided to decline----both of them graciously worded. One was a member, the other was a host. That's all there was to it...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 15, 2016, 07:46:12 PM
Some typical agdster disparaging comments directed to this site are now available on that waste of time BBB board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 15, 2016, 08:02:50 PM
Some typical agdster disparaging comments directed to this site are now available on that waste of time BBB board.

I started to read it, then I had to stop (already having issues with my blood pressure again, last thing I need is to get angry) once I saw the posts by beachballtwo basically acting like I don't even exist


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 15, 2016, 09:18:07 PM
Some typical agdster disparaging comments directed to this site are now available on that waste of time BBB board.

Thank God, no one is disparaging him from over here.   ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 15, 2016, 10:05:16 PM
Some typical agdster disparaging comments directed to this site are now available on that waste of time BBB board.

Thank God, no one is disparaging him from over here.   ;)

He's getting off easy here for sure.  :hat


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on June 16, 2016, 02:03:31 AM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.

That would be history repeating itself.  And, in the end, that is a good thing.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 16, 2016, 02:15:47 AM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.

That would be history repeating itself.  And, in the end, that is a good thing.

Yup


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 16, 2016, 10:31:06 AM
I joined the other site but I haven't posted anything.  As much as there is annoying drama over here sometimes, it seems like there are more interesting discussions happening here anyways.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Mr. Verlander on June 16, 2016, 01:58:32 PM
As long as people keep discussing the other board, there's never going to be any kind of 'closure', or whatever you want to call it. The best thing to do is to just stop talking about it, stop talking about the people who caused all of the bullshit here, and go on with business as usual. In due time, that board will become what this board was, because of the people there. Just concern yourself with this place  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 16, 2016, 02:51:48 PM
Affirmative nods to last 2 posts. Thanks, Mr. Raccoon & Mr. Verlander. :3d


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 17, 2016, 08:32:35 AM
Then why was he PM'ing members about the forum before he was banned? Which I personally don't have an issue with (internet is big enough for more than one board, after all), but it doesn't jibe with what you just said. That said, you might not have known, or it may be a different forum.

The new board didn't exist before Andrew was banned. Simple as that. Even the group chat didn't exist before Andrew was banned. Whatever he was talking about, it wasn't the Pet Sounds forum. Of course, I haven't read these PMs, so it is not possible for me to give you a more nuanced answer than that. I told Doc about the forum Andersson had once created on the 27th of May. Drbeachboy first spoke to Andersson about the board on the 27th of May. Swedish Frog, using proboards resources, set to work and managed to open the board on the 28th of May. The entire, two-month conversation (that concerns more than the creation of the new board) still exists, and it provides ample evidence of these claims.

Ok..that makes sense. Probably was just a what if type thing

Addendum... it was something completely different that never came to fruition.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 18, 2016, 11:11:27 AM
There are too many people in that board who caused a lot of drama here, or at least did their best to fan the flames, and are now saying they switched because of too much drama here.

That would be history repeating itself.  And, in the end, that is a good thing.

Fantastic reply to AGD on the PS forum! Many hoots and thumbs up for your most excellent shredding.  ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 18, 2016, 06:43:09 PM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 

Personalized domain names and related fees for registrations and hosting/bandwidth use related to those domains are not free. Someone has to pay the bills.

I'm told by someone who would know that it is not AGD or Lee Dempsey.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 05:34:02 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 

Personalized domain names and related fees for registrations and hosting/bandwidth use related to those domains are not free. Someone has to pay the bills.

I'm told by someone who would know that it is not AGD or Lee Dempsey.
Since BW stated that swedishfrog and myself opened up PSF, I would think that common sense would suggest who is paying the initial opening expenses. Why this is anyone's business, I have no idea.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 19, 2016, 07:47:33 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 

Personalized domain names and related fees for registrations and hosting/bandwidth use related to those domains are not free. Someone has to pay the bills.

I'm told by someone who would know that it is not AGD or Lee Dempsey.
Since BW stated that swedishfrog and myself opened up PSF, I would think that common sense would suggest who is paying the initial opening expenses. Why this is anyone's business, I have no idea.

He's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 08:21:02 AM

Just a question out of curiosity: Who is paying the bills for the new board?

Stamos

I doubt it. As far as band-related activities, he's probably been busy practicing and perfecting his drum parts on Getcha Back for any upcoming appearances.  :)

So who is paying the bills for the new board?

It looks like it's free to host a forum on ProBoards.

 

Personalized domain names and related fees for registrations and hosting/bandwidth use related to those domains are not free. Someone has to pay the bills.

I'm told by someone who would know that it is not AGD or Lee Dempsey.
Since BW stated that swedishfrog and myself opened up PSF, I would think that common sense would suggest who is paying the initial opening expenses. Why this is anyone's business, I have no idea.

He's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack...
Believe me, I'd love to stay away, but you guys keep making me come back. I have no idea why Craig thinks it is his business to ask and to know who is paying for PSF. Why would that even be a talking point here in Smiley Smile? Your attitude of not wanting me here only proves the need for another Beach Boys Forum. Thank you for backing up my position, it is most appreciated. :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 08:30:14 AM
Cough it up, Doc - Who is paying the bills?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 19, 2016, 08:51:23 AM
Since BW stated that swedishfrog and myself opened up PSF, I would think that common sense would suggest who is paying the initial opening expenses. Why this is anyone's business, I have no idea.

Quite. It's nobody's business. Time to move on, I would have thought.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 08:54:37 AM
It's only fair to the readership to let them know what is involved in something they're getting involved with, and it's a simple question.

Who is paying the bills?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 09:43:23 AM
Cough it up, Doc - Who is paying the bills?
Did you not read what I wrote above? Swedishfrog and myself are footing the bill. How much do you think it costs? Oh, I'm betting that you think someone famous is footing the bill, huh? Maybe I should ask, no? Maybe having a patron would be a cool thing. You know, like Michel Angelo or Leonardo da Vinci. ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on June 19, 2016, 10:14:50 AM
Think it would only cost maybe $25 anyway? (domain name plus boards fee - https://www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/custom-domain-names). I was surprised boards offer unlimited free packages (I work in this area so curious about this stuff).


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 10:20:06 AM
Think it would only cost maybe $25 anyway? (domain name plus boards fee - https://www.proboards.com/forum-help-guide/custom-domain-names). I was surprised boards offer unlimited free packages (I work in this area so curious about this stuff).
It was a little bit more than that, but yes, you are in the ballpark. It was not some outrageous amount. :) I still like the patronage idea though. ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 10:23:15 AM
I've never suggested any patronage, any famous sponsors, etc. Never mentioned anything of the sort. Actually it wasn't even me who brought up money or host fees in the first place, for that you'd need to see Lee and John Manning who mentioned money in posts well before I asked the question.

"Who is paying the bills?", not that hard of a question, right? Someone has to, someone will also be paying moving forward after the initial setup charges.

So why pay extra to have that info kept hidden?   ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 10:28:52 AM
It's only fair to the readership to let them know what is involved in something they're getting involved with, and it's a simple question.

Who is paying the bills?
Why is it anyone's business? We are not asking for donations to support the forum. It only costs what they pay for their Internet connection, which they pay for no matter where they visit. You just want to know if Andrew, Lee or someone famous is helping foot the bill. Sorry to disappoint you on that front.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 10:32:08 AM
I've never suggested any patronage, any famous sponsors, etc. Never mentioned anything of the sort. Actually it wasn't even me who brought up money or host fees in the first place, for that you'd need to see Lee and John Manning who mentioned money in posts well before I asked the question.

"Who is paying the bills?", not that hard of a question, right? Someone has to, someone will also be paying moving forward after the initial setup charges.

So why pay extra to have that info kept hidden?   ;)
I answered with my "common sense" answer. Do you not possess any of that? Admit it, you were fishing.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 10:32:37 AM
It's only fair to the readership to let them know what is involved in something they're getting involved with, and it's a simple question.

Who is paying the bills?
Why is it anyone's business? We are not asking for donations to support the forum. It only costs what they pay for their Internet connection, which they pay for no matter where they visit. You just want to know if Andrew, Lee or someone famous is helping foot the bill. Sorry to disappoint you on that front.

I'm just curious who is paying the bills! Simple question.


I've never suggested any patronage, any famous sponsors, etc. Never mentioned anything of the sort. Actually it wasn't even me who brought up money or host fees in the first place, for that you'd need to see Lee and John Manning who mentioned money in posts well before I asked the question.

"Who is paying the bills?", not that hard of a question, right? Someone has to, someone will also be paying moving forward after the initial setup charges.

So why pay extra to have that info kept hidden?   ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 10:39:02 AM
It's only fair to the readership to let them know what is involved in something they're getting involved with, and it's a simple question.

Who is paying the bills?
Why is it anyone's business? We are not asking for donations to support the forum. It only costs what they pay for their Internet connection, which they pay for no matter where they visit. You just want to know if Andrew, Lee or someone famous is helping foot the bill. Sorry to disappoint you on that front.

I'm just curious who is paying the bills! Simple question.


I've never suggested any patronage, any famous sponsors, etc. Never mentioned anything of the sort. Actually it wasn't even me who brought up money or host fees in the first place, for that you'd need to see Lee and John Manning who mentioned money in posts well before I asked the question.

"Who is paying the bills?", not that hard of a question, right? Someone has to, someone will also be paying moving forward after the initial setup charges.

So why pay extra to have that info kept hidden?   ;)
OK, so now you know


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 19, 2016, 10:44:24 AM
Quote tree messed up. Looks like he said ' OK, now you know :) '


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 10:45:57 AM
Let me rephrase that, the reply must have gotten lost in the quote function:

What?

Who is playing the bills? And following up on that, why hide it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 10:51:16 AM
Regarding the other issues, I will get around to replying to the earlier messages.

Related to knowing or not knowing something, what I will say is that as recently as the past weekend there have been outright lies posted to your forum, Doc. But I might not expect them to be spotted, so we can leave that up to you and your team of "Super Moderators" to suss that one out.

Am I surprised to see it on the new board? No. We've had over a decade of impeccable sources and those in the know who turned out to be full of it. Do I blame anyone who may not have a clue and is participating for the sake of joining a new board? Absolutely not. But it is worth noting that lies are still being posted, and it's something that is kind of upsetting but not surprising.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 10:52:10 AM
Let me rephrase that, the reply must have gotten lost in the quote function:

What?

Who is playing the bills? And following up on that, why hide it?

When on an iPad, when there are two or more quoted posts, for some reason the cursor only goes to the end of the first quote in the Quick Reply box.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 19, 2016, 10:58:31 AM
Does the same thing with my phone. ..drives me nuts


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 11:01:59 AM
Regarding the other issues, I will get around to replying to the earlier messages.

Related to knowing or not knowing something, what I will say is that as recently as the past weekend there have been outright lies posted to your forum, Doc. But I might not expect them to be spotted, so we can leave that up to you and your team of "Super Moderators" to suss that one out.

Am I surprised to see it on the new board? No. We've had over a decade of impeccable sources and those in the know who turned out to be full of it. Do I blame anyone who may not have a clue and is participating for the sake of joining a new board? Absolutely not. But it is worth noting that lies are still being posted, and it's something that is kind of upsetting but not surprising.


Is this how we are going to operate from this point forward? Having spies and calling each other out when someone posts something we don't like? I am not your policeman and I will not be responding to anything. We will take care of our own board, as you should take care of your own. You looking to become a Moderator at our board too?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 11:03:28 AM
Does the same thing with my phone. ..drives me nuts
Thanks, Billy! :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 11:07:56 AM
Regarding the other issues, I will get around to replying to the earlier messages.

Related to knowing or not knowing something, what I will say is that as recently as the past weekend there have been outright lies posted to your forum, Doc. But I might not expect them to be spotted, so we can leave that up to you and your team of "Super Moderators" to suss that one out.

Am I surprised to see it on the new board? No. We've had over a decade of impeccable sources and those in the know who turned out to be full of it. Do I blame anyone who may not have a clue and is participating for the sake of joining a new board? Absolutely not. But it is worth noting that lies are still being posted, and it's something that is kind of upsetting but not surprising.


Is this how we are going to operate from this point forward? Having spies and calling each other out when someone posts something we don't like? I am not your policeman and I will not be responding to anything. We will take care of our own board, as you should take care of your own. You looking to become a Moderator at our board too?

Nope, no interest at all. I'm just looking for some honesty and transparency so people reading and getting involved know what's going on. If it's a simple answer to the question who is paying the bills, why pay to hide it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
Regarding the other issues, I will get around to replying to the earlier messages.

Related to knowing or not knowing something, what I will say is that as recently as the past weekend there have been outright lies posted to your forum, Doc. But I might not expect them to be spotted, so we can leave that up to you and your team of "Super Moderators" to suss that one out.

Am I surprised to see it on the new board? No. We've had over a decade of impeccable sources and those in the know who turned out to be full of it. Do I blame anyone who may not have a clue and is participating for the sake of joining a new board? Absolutely not. But it is worth noting that lies are still being posted, and it's something that is kind of upsetting but not surprising.


Is this how we are going to operate from this point forward? Having spies and calling each other out when someone posts something we don't like? I am not your policeman and I will not be responding to anything. We will take care of our own board, as you should take care of your own. You looking to become a Moderator at our board too?

Nope, no interest at all. I'm just looking for some honesty and transparency so people reading and getting involved know what's going on. If it's a simple answer to the question who is paying the bills, why pay to hide it?
What are you talking about, "why pay to hide it"? Not one person who joined has asked anyone on staff how much we paid. Does everyone who walks in your home ask you how much you pay for your mortgage or rent? Transparency only comes into play when you ask people to pay. I don't ask for donations and I am pretty sure that their tax dollars are not being used to subsidize the forum.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 11:49:18 AM
Regarding the other issues, I will get around to replying to the earlier messages.

Related to knowing or not knowing something, what I will say is that as recently as the past weekend there have been outright lies posted to your forum, Doc. But I might not expect them to be spotted, so we can leave that up to you and your team of "Super Moderators" to suss that one out.

Am I surprised to see it on the new board? No. We've had over a decade of impeccable sources and those in the know who turned out to be full of it. Do I blame anyone who may not have a clue and is participating for the sake of joining a new board? Absolutely not. But it is worth noting that lies are still being posted, and it's something that is kind of upsetting but not surprising.


Is this how we are going to operate from this point forward? Having spies and calling each other out when someone posts something we don't like? I am not your policeman and I will not be responding to anything. We will take care of our own board, as you should take care of your own. You looking to become a Moderator at our board too?

Nope, no interest at all. I'm just looking for some honesty and transparency so people reading and getting involved know what's going on. If it's a simple answer to the question who is paying the bills, why pay to hide it?
What are you talking about, "why pay to hide it"? Not one person who joined has asked anyone on staff how much we paid. Does everyone who walks in your home ask you how much you pay for your mortgage or rent? Transparency only comes into play when you ask people to pay. I don't ask for donations and I am pretty sure that their tax dollars are not being used to subsidize the forum.

Again, a simple question and follow up. Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it?

Let's review a few things. On the issue of asking or not asking things, not to mention their relevancy to whatever is relevant...

We saw "B.W." post a link to my profile page on the Brian Wilson forum. For what purpose? How relevant was that to anything? Who pays the bills.

We saw various lies and outright bullshit about both me and this forum posted to BBB, Hoffman, and other places too. In the case of BBB, whoever the admin is stepped in and shut it down this week after Charles Lepage posted a reply. Their business, right? Ask why, who, and how.

I was challenged on when and how I became a moderator elsewhere. I gave the exact date. I was challenged on whether there were any gifts given, anything paid to me for doing it, I replied no, and that is the truth. How relevant is that to anything?

I was challenged based on a post I made about buying a beer for someone at a future show. That was twisted into the reasons why certain decisions were made or not made, and a complete load of bullshit. Again, bullshit posted here, on BBB, and on Hoffman. How relevant is that to anything?

I was challenged on who my "source" was in the middle of a debate about something related to Smile, not just challenged but it was demanded. How about if we flip that around and challenge all of those impeccable and indisputable sources who claimed all kinds of complete bullshit including which current board member was *really* Melinda Wilson or Carole Kaye posting as an alias? Impeccable sources my ass. So how demanding my "source" relevant, and why was it an issue when it was something Domenic Priore published years ago and anyone could access it? Different standards?

So now, I'm asking the questions. If all of that crap was relevant to talking about the music, if all of that crap and the people who have now been admonished and warned on two separate forums (BBB and Hoffman) have been posting is relevant to anything, then I get to ask these. Be honest, be transparent as was demanded of me on everything from linking to my account on another board, to accepting payments and gifts, to buying beer to whatever else these people were demanding I reveal...so the talk can get back to being 'all about the music' perhaps...

Who is paying the bills. Why pay to hide it. Simple as that. No bullshit, Doc.





Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 19, 2016, 12:04:19 PM
We saw "B.W." post a link to my profile page on the Brian Wilson forum. For what purpose? How relevant was that to anything?

It was pretty relevant. Someone mentioned reading you were a moderator at the Brian Wilson board but not being sure. Someone else asked if it was true. Here's the link, for anyone who would like to see: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23778.msg576253.html#msg576253

Thanks for asking.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 12:23:07 PM
Regarding the other issues, I will get around to replying to the earlier messages.

Related to knowing or not knowing something, what I will say is that as recently as the past weekend there have been outright lies posted to your forum, Doc. But I might not expect them to be spotted, so we can leave that up to you and your team of "Super Moderators" to suss that one out.

Am I surprised to see it on the new board? No. We've had over a decade of impeccable sources and those in the know who turned out to be full of it. Do I blame anyone who may not have a clue and is participating for the sake of joining a new board? Absolutely not. But it is worth noting that lies are still being posted, and it's something that is kind of upsetting but not surprising.


Is this how we are going to operate from this point forward? Having spies and calling each other out when someone posts something we don't like? I am not your policeman and I will not be responding to anything. We will take care of our own board, as you should take care of your own. You looking to become a Moderator at our board too?

Nope, no interest at all. I'm just looking for some honesty and transparency so people reading and getting involved know what's going on. If it's a simple answer to the question who is paying the bills, why pay to hide it?
What are you talking about, "why pay to hide it"? Not one person who joined has asked anyone on staff how much we paid. Does everyone who walks in your home ask you how much you pay for your mortgage or rent? Transparency only comes into play when you ask people to pay. I don't ask for donations and I am pretty sure that their tax dollars are not being used to subsidize the forum.

Again, a simple question and follow up. Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it?

Let's review a few things. On the issue of asking or not asking things, not to mention their relevancy to whatever is relevant...

We saw "B.W." post a link to my profile page on the Brian Wilson forum. For what purpose? How relevant was that to anything? Who pays the bills.

We saw various lies and outright bullshit about both me and this forum posted to BBB, Hoffman, and other places too. In the case of BBB, whoever the admin is stepped in and shut it down this week after Charles Lepage posted a reply. Their business, right? Ask why, who, and how.

I was challenged on when and how I became a moderator elsewhere. I gave the exact date. I was challenged on whether there were any gifts given, anything paid to me for doing it, I replied no, and that is the truth. How relevant is that to anything?

I was challenged based on a post I made about buying a beer for someone at a future show. That was twisted into the reasons why certain decisions were made or not made, and a complete load of bullshit. Again, bullshit posted here, on BBB, and on Hoffman. How relevant is that to anything?

I was challenged on who my "source" was in the middle of a debate about something related to Smile, not just challenged but it was demanded. How about if we flip that around and challenge all of those impeccable and indisputable sources who claimed all kinds of complete bullshit including which current board member was *really* Melinda Wilson or Carole Kaye posting as an alias? Impeccable sources my ass. So how demanding my "source" relevant, and why was it an issue when it was something Domenic Priore published years ago and anyone could access it? Different standards?

So now, I'm asking the questions. If all of that crap was relevant to talking about the music, if all of that crap and the people who have now been admonished and warned on two separate forums (BBB and Hoffman) have been posting is relevant to anything, then I get to ask these. Be honest, be transparent as was demanded of me on everything from linking to my account on another board, to accepting payments and gifts, to buying beer to whatever else these people were demanding I reveal...so the talk can get back to being 'all about the music' perhaps...

Who is paying the bills. Why pay to hide it. Simple as that. No bullshit, Doc.




Pay to hide what, I will ask again? Nothing to hide and nothing to pay. It is on my dime. You talk in circles. When somebody gives me something for free, I don't then turn around and ask them how much they paid for the giveaway. Have some manners, son. What is that old saying, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 19, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
Cough it up, Doc - Who is paying the bills?
Did you not read what I wrote above? Swedishfrog and myself are footing the bill. How much do you think it costs? Oh, I'm betting that you think someone famous is footing the bill, huh? Maybe I should ask, no? Maybe having a patron would be a cool thing. You know, like Michel Angelo or Leonardo da Vinci. ;)

Did I just read that?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 19, 2016, 12:37:13 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 12:38:05 PM
We saw "B.W." post a link to my profile page on the Brian Wilson forum. For what purpose? How relevant was that to anything?

It was pretty relevant. Someone mentioned reading you were a moderator at the Brian Wilson board but not being sure. Someone else asked if it was true. Here's the link, for anyone who would like to see: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23778.msg576253.html#msg576253

Thanks for asking.

Bullshit. It was only relevant to whatever you were trying to do at the time, nothing more. It was as relevant as me making a joke about buying someone a beer at a future show, which got twisted into all kinds of sh*t that got posted to try to f*** me over. It was as relevant as all the efforts that have been tried and failed to lay all the problems of this board since its inception on my shoulders, and to get your favorite banned members back in the fold since I - according to all your bullshit and all that of the others - have ultimate yes or no say on everything. Right?

Or maybe it's as relevant as the reasons why you quit as a "Super Moderator" before the virtual ink on the hosting and confidentiality agreements with the web hosts were even dry.

If you can't handle or don't want the job of being a Super Moderator, then quit. Oh wait...never mind. You did.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Someone named "Beachball" on the BBB forum seems to be knowledgeable on all the rates and fees, maybe they know the details.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 19, 2016, 12:43:48 PM
I hope you're okay, Guitarfool.  :-\


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 19, 2016, 12:53:58 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

OK, drbeachboy and Swedfish Frog how is it hiding who paid the fees if you've publicly announced it is the two of you who paid the fees?

Oh, it answers itself, it isn't, drbeachboy and Swedish Frog paid the fees.

Craig, have you been receiving PMs over the past three weeks or is the PM system broken?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 12:56:02 PM
I hope you're okay, Guitarfool.  :-\

Duck and dodge?

I'm doing great. Thanks for asking.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 01:06:21 PM
You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 19, 2016, 01:16:10 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: adamghost on June 19, 2016, 01:19:53 PM
Wow.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:23:31 PM
You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.

Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:24:11 PM
Wow.

That's an understatement.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 19, 2016, 01:24:48 PM
Wow.

You're right Adam, post modified.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.
Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:27:37 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.

A better idea, John, would be to ask those who may be paying the extra fees to explain what they are and why. I don't know why they're paying or who is paying. Or head to BBB, that poster "Beachball" seems to have a lot of info about rates and fees in general, maybe he can clear some of it up since he was quick with numbers and rates considering he's probably not even involved in the actual forum.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:29:39 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.
Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

The fees have nothing to do with storage, data usage or transfer, available bandwidth, or anything in that realm. You're not answering the question.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 01:30:40 PM
You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.
 
Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.
The history of those folks are here, not there. Ever hear of a new lease on life, well now they have it. Let it go.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:31:00 PM
Craig, have you been receiving PMs over the past three weeks or is the PM system broken?

Is it? I'll ask Billy and Charles if there are issues.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:33:23 PM
You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.
 
Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.
The history of those folks are here, not there. Ever hear of a new lease on life, well now they have it. Let it go.

Not until the truth comes out, Doc. At least so people have a fair shot at knowing the truth instead of your f***ed up version of whatever it is you're calling the truth. Because your version is bullshit.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 01:33:49 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.
Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

The fees have nothing to do with storage, data usage or transfer, available bandwidth, or anything in that realm. You're not answering the question.
There was no up front fees, period. swedishfrog  and I paid for the domain name. As of June 19, 2016 at 4:32pm edt, that is all I was charged for.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 01:35:28 PM
You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.
 
Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.
The history of those folks are here, not there. Ever hear of a new lease on life, well now they have it. Let it go.

Not until the truth comes out, Doc. At least so people have a fair shot at knowing the truth instead of your f***ed up version of whatever it is you're calling the truth. Because your version is bullshit.
You need to read your posts. You sound a bit wacky. Paranoid at worst. Take a breath and relax.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:38:11 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.
Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

The fees have nothing to do with storage, data usage or transfer, available bandwidth, or anything in that realm. You're not answering the question.
There was no up front fees, period. swedishfrog  and I paid for the domain name. As of June 19, 2016 at 4:32pm edt, that is all I was charged for.

Doc, there are options that can be selected and paid extra for versus the defaults when setting up and registering a domain with a host service or company, beyond whatever costs might come in the future for bandwidth, ad-free services, and related issues. I'll let you fill in the details for everyone. If it is as you portray it, let everyone know so they're not hearing it from a third party.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:40:36 PM
You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.

I'll reply with the truth, since you are unwilling to accept it. You are full of sh*t.

Despite being told over and over the truth about how the board is run, including from Billy and Charles, you continue to push your bullshit in order to justify whatever it is you've been trying to do going back to that first PM you sent me last year. The problem is, you're just not that good at doing what you've been trying to do. And neither is B.W.

If what you wrote above, and what I'm replying to now, is your version of the truth or what you want people to believe...that's f***ed up, man. You simply cannot deal with the truth if it contradicts your beliefs or your plans.

The undesirables have a history of being banned from this and multiple other forums going back years, well before I was a moderator. So, Doc, once again you're talking out of your ass.
 
Who pays the bills, and why pay to hide it.
The history of those folks are here, not there. Ever hear of a new lease on life, well now they have it. Let it go.

Not until the truth comes out, Doc. At least so people have a fair shot at knowing the truth instead of your f***ed up version of whatever it is you're calling the truth. Because your version is bullshit.
You need to read your posts. You sound a bit wacky. Paranoid at worst. Take a breath and relax.

I know exactly what I wrote and stand behind it, and unlike your posts and stories, it's accurate. Nice attempt at spin and deflection, Doc. It already failed when B.W. tried it earlier. Tell the truth. And stop lying out your ass as you have been doing.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: alf wiedersehen on June 19, 2016, 01:46:42 PM
Duck and dodge?

No, just genuine concern.

I refuse to indulge in your delusional fantasies any longer.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 01:51:14 PM
Duck and dodge?

No, just genuine concern.

I refuse to indulge in your delusional fantasies any longer.

You and Doc both on this same trip, "paranoid", "delusional", etc...Nope. I'm just fine, although it is in the mid 90's and very hot/humid today.

The only genuine concern I have seen from you was when you raised holy hell after a certain poster was banned and wouldn't let the issue go.

And I might take some of that concern and put it back into the forum you apparently helped start, and instead of bailing out and quitting on them as a mod, maybe put some effort into that instead of quitting before the ink is dry.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: adamghost on June 19, 2016, 02:03:08 PM
Wow.

You're right Adam, post modified.

I don't think either one of you (including GF) took the "wow" meaning as intended, but perhaps that's just as well (one of the advantages of vagueposting). 

Since it was coming from a place of sheer bewilderment and amazement, maybe appropriately so.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 02:03:23 PM
Just want to add my opinion on something in general, what doesn't make sense is to have a board with many active and open discussions on everything from the Boston show to general music and all manner of topics in between, yet instead of coming to this forum to talk music, there are comments going here instead. If the comments are going to be posted, I'll answer them. And if the comments are not based in fact, I'll challenge them. But for all the talk about talking music, and with some really cool things happening just this weekend with Pet Sounds, instead the comments started pouring in to this topic instead. So they will be addressed. It's not delusional to think there is just a bit of a contradiction in the whole thing.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 19, 2016, 02:04:16 PM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.
Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

The fees have nothing to do with storage, data usage or transfer, available bandwidth, or anything in that realm. You're not answering the question.
There was no up front fees, period. swedishfrog  and I paid for the domain name. As of June 19, 2016 at 4:32pm edt, that is all I was charged for.

Doc, there are options that can be selected and paid extra for versus the defaults when setting up and registering a domain with a host service or company, beyond whatever costs might come in the future for bandwidth, ad-free services, and related issues. I'll let you fill in the details for everyone. If it is as you portray it, let everyone know so they're not hearing it from a third party.

Bloomin' heck… I'm angry at myself for revisiting this thread and posting anything at all.  G'night…


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 19, 2016, 02:05:19 PM
Wow.

You're right Adam, post modified.

I don't think either one of you (including GF) took the "wow" meaning as intended, but perhaps that's just as well (one of the advantages of vagueposting). 

Since it was coming from a place of sheer bewilderment and amazement, maybe appropriately so.

I thought we were talking about the wow and flutter of analog tape!  :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 19, 2016, 02:56:36 PM
Wow.

You're right Adam, post modified.

I don't think either one of you (including GF) took the "wow" meaning as intended, but perhaps that's just as well (one of the advantages of vagueposting). 

Since it was coming from a place of sheer bewilderment and amazement, maybe appropriately so.
I figure that Craig is so interested in my costs because he wants to pay for next year's fees. ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 19, 2016, 08:14:29 PM
Craig, have you been receiving PMs over the past three weeks or is the PM system broken?

Is it? I'll ask Billy and Charles if there are issues.

So have you received PMs directly or by Bcc from me in the past 3 weeks? I would ask by PM (and have) but...

What is this truth you know if you don't believe what is being said?  That post you refer to at BBB seems to just be speculative about what the fees could be or might be, not a claim of what the fees paid for PSF actually were.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 19, 2016, 09:34:03 PM
Why don't the Mods just lock up this thread? There is a new Board - good for them. Life goes on.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 19, 2016, 11:25:04 PM
As for the fees. what answer would you like to hear?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Tab Lloyd on June 19, 2016, 11:39:29 PM
Agree that it's time to move on. Nothing to be gained by grinding this issue into the ground. Let's return to the music.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 12:06:16 AM
The music discussions never stopped. It's too bad more people don't engage in them rather than coming here for this stuff, or in Doc BB's case, coming here to lie even more. One thing that won't happen is a lie being allowed to stand as the truth, or a thread being locked to sweep things under the carpet. Dr Beach Boy refuses to accept the truth as told to him multiple times, and continues to make false statements. So no, his bullshit about moderation here and all the other crap won't be allowed to stand and it will be challenged. Better here than having it show up in other discussions. See, people aren't banned for mentioning things like that here, despite what a lot of people were led to believe by several proven bullshitters.

Cam asked about sending PM's...I did get those. Do you expect me to act alone and either make a decision or comment, or wait for Billy and Charles to weigh in as well? I'd rather follow the procedure and wait for when Billy and Charles have a chance to discuss it. Did you send it to them too?

Smilin Ed H, how about the truth, across the board, top to bottom? As in the actual answers to the questions rather than a handful of answers ducking and dodging instead of just answering it straight up.

Is there an old adage that goes "if you have nothing to hide, you have no reason to hide anything" , or something like that?



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 12:20:28 AM
How is it hiding it if you publicly announce it?

Ask whoever paid the extra fees.

You're going to have to explain "extra fees" Craig, for the benefit of the rest of us.
Before he explains, there is no hidden or extra fees. When additional storage or whatever is needed in the future it will be handled at that time.

The fees have nothing to do with storage, data usage or transfer, available bandwidth, or anything in that realm. You're not answering the question.
There was no up front fees, period. swedishfrog  and I paid for the domain name. As of June 19, 2016 at 4:32pm edt, that is all I was charged for.

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 20, 2016, 01:16:58 AM
But don't you see, you're the one who keeps bringing this up? The only one, in fact. Nobody else seems worried. For whose benefit is all this?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: zatch on June 20, 2016, 02:07:29 AM
Craig, you've always been very nice to me and I've enjoyed reading your posts in the past, so this is in no way personal, but don't you think this all might be a bit much? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of anything shady going on (other than perhaps the SS member Shady, who has been rather suspiciously absent from this discussion); it's just a couple of people deciding to create a new message board. It is completely free to host a basic board on ProBoards. I looked into it (and created zachrwolfe.freeboards.net (http://zachrwolfe.freeboards.net), feel free to join guys :P), seems there are two paid additions that jump out at me as being something Dirk and Rob probably opted to get: you can add a custom domain name for $13.99, and you can get 50 000 ad free views for $8.00. Domain names typically go for between $10 and $20 per year from a registrar. Dirk likely lumped the cost of the domain name registration and DNS together, reasonably jiving with the ballpark given upthread. The ad removal could have been covered by Rob alone unbeknownst to drBB, or I think I remember there being some sort of crowd-funding feature where users of ProBoards forums can donate in order to keep their boards ad-free. Nothing being hidden at all, by my estimation. :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Alan Smith on June 20, 2016, 02:47:48 AM

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 20, 2016, 04:52:32 AM
Cam asked about sending PM's...I did get those. Do you expect me to act alone and either make a decision or comment, or wait for Billy and Charles to weigh in as well? I'd rather follow the procedure and wait for when Billy and Charles have a chance to discuss it. Did you send it to them too?

You could have just straightforwardly answered yes to the original question in the thread and done the rest by PM.

I did not send it to Charles because the current procedure as posted is to first send it to you and Billie, which I have done, and you should be able to confirm that by my posts in your inbox I assume. In light of past problems with notification and Bccing, I expect acknowledgment of receipt from all those required in the procedure (not just half), especially when specifically requested. Now that we all know the system is working I trust those who need to will finally weigh in and the procedure will be followed eventually as best it can be to the Mods' abilities.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 06:39:26 AM

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.


You're wrong, Alan. I didn't bring it up. The thread was quiet until Cam, then Dirk brought it up 3 days after the last post on the issue. Read the posts - No one mentioned it since June 15th until Cam and Dirk brought it up. So don't blame me yet again for doing something I did not do. If there are comments made, I will address them.

You want to tell me about "classy" while welcoming certain people back with open arms and a clean slate? Don't even go there considering what's happened and what has been done and said.

I also have been talking "about the music" when it seems like an inordinate amount of posters who supposedly took up residence at the other forum have been coming back to Smiley Smile to post mostly about this stuff rather than talk about the music.  Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining, Alan.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 06:42:12 AM
Craig, you've always been very nice to me and I've enjoyed reading your posts in the past, so this is in no way personal, but don't you think this all might be a bit much? There doesn't seem to be any evidence of anything shady going on (other than perhaps the SS member Shady, who has been rather suspiciously absent from this discussion); it's just a couple of people deciding to create a new message board. It is completely free to host a basic board on ProBoards. I looked into it (and created zachrwolfe.freeboards.net (http://zachrwolfe.freeboards.net), feel free to join guys :P), seems there are two paid additions that jump out at me as being something Dirk and Rob probably opted to get: you can add a custom domain name for $13.99, and you can get 50 000 ad free views for $8.00. Domain names typically go for between $10 and $20 per year from a registrar. Dirk likely lumped the cost of the domain name registration and DNS together, reasonably jiving with the ballpark given upthread. The ad removal could have been covered by Rob alone unbeknownst to drBB, or I think I remember there being some sort of crowd-funding feature where users of ProBoards forums can donate in order to keep their boards ad-free. Nothing being hidden at all, by my estimation. :)

Zach, you didn't hit on it yet.  :)  If I also had not been involved previously in setting up sites, domains, etc myself, I wouldn't have given it a second thought.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 06:45:16 AM
Cam asked about sending PM's...I did get those. Do you expect me to act alone and either make a decision or comment, or wait for Billy and Charles to weigh in as well? I'd rather follow the procedure and wait for when Billy and Charles have a chance to discuss it. Did you send it to them too?

You could have just straightforwardly answered yes to the original question in the thread and done the rest by PM.

I did not send it to Charles because the current procedure as posted is to first send it to you and Billie, which I have done, and you should be able to confirm that by my posts in your inbox I assume. In light of past problems with notification and Bccing, I expect acknowledgment of receipt from all those required in the procedure (not just half), especially when specifically requested. Now that we all know the system is working I trust those who need to will finally weigh in and the procedure will be followed eventually as best it can be to the Mods' abilities.  Thanks.

Do you think I was unaware of what this was/is when I replied?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 20, 2016, 07:07:38 AM
Cam asked about sending PM's...I did get those. Do you expect me to act alone and either make a decision or comment, or wait for Billy and Charles to weigh in as well? I'd rather follow the procedure and wait for when Billy and Charles have a chance to discuss it. Did you send it to them too?

You could have just straightforwardly answered yes to the original question in the thread and done the rest by PM.

I did not send it to Charles because the current procedure as posted is to first send it to you and Billie, which I have done, and you should be able to confirm that by my posts in your inbox I assume. In light of past problems with notification and Bccing, I expect acknowledgment of receipt from all those required in the procedure (not just half), especially when specifically requested. Now that we all know the system is working I trust those who need to will finally weigh in and the procedure will be followed eventually as best it can be to the Mods' abilities.  Thanks.

Do you think I was unaware of what this was/is when I replied?

Since you didn't answer my first question and you had not even replied to previous direct requests by PM as to whether you had received my PMs, yes, I thought you were unaware and had no way to know otherwise.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 07:28:57 AM
Cam asked about sending PM's...I did get those. Do you expect me to act alone and either make a decision or comment, or wait for Billy and Charles to weigh in as well? I'd rather follow the procedure and wait for when Billy and Charles have a chance to discuss it. Did you send it to them too?

You could have just straightforwardly answered yes to the original question in the thread and done the rest by PM.

I did not send it to Charles because the current procedure as posted is to first send it to you and Billie, which I have done, and you should be able to confirm that by my posts in your inbox I assume. In light of past problems with notification and Bccing, I expect acknowledgment of receipt from all those required in the procedure (not just half), especially when specifically requested. Now that we all know the system is working I trust those who need to will finally weigh in and the procedure will be followed eventually as best it can be to the Mods' abilities.  Thanks.

Do you think I was unaware of what this was/is when I replied?

Since you didn't my answer my first question and you had not even replied to previous direct requests by PM as to whether you had recieved my PMs, yes, I thought you were unaware and had no way to know otherwise.

Cam, I'd suggest either being more patient or giving it a rest. I also didn't reply to all of your messages because Billy had already been replying to you, and unfortunately I had no way of knowing what he said to you because I didn't get the replies you got, but I'm assuming he updated you on his end based on your replies to him. If you had already been in a dialogue with a mod, I don't know what you expected me to say when I wasn't getting or seeing the replies and when your messages were already being addressed by a moderator.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 09:00:43 AM

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.


You're wrong, Alan. I didn't bring it up. The thread was quiet until Cam, then Dirk brought it up 3 days after the last post on the issue. Read the posts - No one mentioned it since June 15th until Cam and Dirk brought it up. So don't blame me yet again for doing something I did not do. If there are comments made, I will address them.

You want to tell me about "classy" while welcoming certain people back with open arms and a clean slate? Don't even go there considering what's happened and what has been done and said.

I also have been talking "about the music" when it seems like an inordinate amount of posters who supposedly took up residence at the other forum have been coming back to Smiley Smile to post mostly about this stuff rather than talk about the music.  Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining, Alan.
You did bring it up on June 15th. I answered your question on June 19th in post #282. That should have been the end of it, but of course you never let things go, so we had hash and re-hash all day yesterday and over something that is frankly, none of your business. The amount that was paid, whether it was $5 or $5,000 is no concern to anyone but Rob and myself. You need to get off that high horse you are riding, retreat from the crusade that you have started and get back to what you came here to do in the first place, moderate. Every time I see your name anymore, the first thing that comes to mind is that old 1980 Linda Ronstadt song, "I Can't Let Go". Please, do your self and everyone in here a favor; just let it go. You'll feel much better, I promise.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 20, 2016, 09:09:37 AM
Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 09:17:52 AM
Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  :lol
Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved. :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 09:30:46 AM

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.


You're wrong, Alan. I didn't bring it up. The thread was quiet until Cam, then Dirk brought it up 3 days after the last post on the issue. Read the posts - No one mentioned it since June 15th until Cam and Dirk brought it up. So don't blame me yet again for doing something I did not do. If there are comments made, I will address them.

You want to tell me about "classy" while welcoming certain people back with open arms and a clean slate? Don't even go there considering what's happened and what has been done and said.

I also have been talking "about the music" when it seems like an inordinate amount of posters who supposedly took up residence at the other forum have been coming back to Smiley Smile to post mostly about this stuff rather than talk about the music.  Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining, Alan.
You did bring it up on June 15th. I answered your question on June 19th in post #282. That should have been the end of it, but of course you never let things go, so we had hash and re-hash all day yesterday and over something that is frankly, none of your business. The amount that was paid, whether it was $5 or $5,000 is no concern to anyone but Rob and myself. You need to get off that high horse you are riding, retreat from the crusade that you have started and get back to what you came here to do in the first place, moderate. Every time I see your name anymore, the first thing that comes to mind is that old 1980 Linda Ronstadt song, "I Can't Let Go". Please, do your self and everyone in here a favor; just let it go. You'll feel much better, I promise.

So the phrase is "let it go"? I'd throw that right back at you, Doc, and make it retroactive going back however long you've been hammering away at all these "issues" of yours.

In case you forgot, this is what you posted:

You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.


Talk about letting it go, I'll ask point blank and directly: Have you chosen to ignore or dismiss everything that anyone involved in moderating this board has said? You are still pushing this bullshit (yes, I'll use that word again because it applies) and suggesting I somehow steamrolled into this moderating gig and took over the whole thing. It's a lie similar to what some who were banned have said and were trying to sell to people on multiple forums. According to that nonsense, every decision that was made, every ban, warning, and all else was initiated by me and me alone in order to create the board how I wanted it. Everything done by the moderators was in lock step with how I envisioned this board, and according to what you have been insisting for several months up to your post above, it was part of my grand scheme to shape the board and dictate how it would exist.

At what point, Doc, will you shut the hell up about this and stop lying?

Beyond the obvious, what you're suggesting here isn't just a lie, it's an insult to the other moderators who have been on the job since I joined, and up to the present day a direct 'f*** you' to both Billy and Charles since you obviously took nothing from what they have said. If you are suggesting I'm responsible for all of these decisions, and have somehow taken control over the board, you are still ignoring what Billy has said as recently as the past week, and what Charles, Billy, Klaas, and myself have been saying since lat year when this same chickenshit "campaign" and the related lying started popping up. Sourced, for the record, by people currently banned from this forum yet welcomed back openly and warmly on your forum.

If you want to come here and lie, if you want to come here and continue insulting the people whom you claim to respect, and continue pushing this bullshit of yours that I'm running roughshod over the whole operation, in spite of being told directly that you were full of sh*t by those actually involved, then you will get a reply and a challenge.

In this case, stop the bullshit.

And if there is nothing to hide, why hide it?

Let it go, indeed. How about accepting the truth for once instead of pushing lies that were dismissed months ago? Keep chasing those windmills, Quixote.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 09:45:34 AM
Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  :lol
Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved. :)

More proof that you lack both the character and ability to administer and run anything, let alone a fan community.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 10:06:52 AM

It turned into this, and unless there was a special freebie deal going the day it was registered, the normal fees and charges put on anyone who registers a domain through popular hosting companies would say this isn't accurate if certain options are chosen. Usually a third-party service's options have to be selected and approved, and are not defaulted into a package deal.

Does it matter? In the grand scheme, probably not. But why duck and dodge over such a damned simple question and issue? Maybe one party didn't know what the other party had done, but why not clarify it first instead of ducking and denying?

Speaking of ducking and dodging and denying, Bubbly & Dirk have answered your incessant questions about the origin of the board and who is footing the bills.

Unless you want to detail here the "truth" you seem to have up your sleeve, enough of calling people bullshitters and liars about the how the page got off the ground.  Your comments & name calling are far from classy, and until you elaborate on your comments, baseless.

Suggest you focus on your strengths and get back to talking about the music, Craig - this thread was relatively quiet for a few days until you started sh*t stirring again.


You're wrong, Alan. I didn't bring it up. The thread was quiet until Cam, then Dirk brought it up 3 days after the last post on the issue. Read the posts - No one mentioned it since June 15th until Cam and Dirk brought it up. So don't blame me yet again for doing something I did not do. If there are comments made, I will address them.

You want to tell me about "classy" while welcoming certain people back with open arms and a clean slate? Don't even go there considering what's happened and what has been done and said.

I also have been talking "about the music" when it seems like an inordinate amount of posters who supposedly took up residence at the other forum have been coming back to Smiley Smile to post mostly about this stuff rather than talk about the music.  Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining, Alan.
You did bring it up on June 15th. I answered your question on June 19th in post #282. That should have been the end of it, but of course you never let things go, so we had hash and re-hash all day yesterday and over something that is frankly, none of your business. The amount that was paid, whether it was $5 or $5,000 is no concern to anyone but Rob and myself. You need to get off that high horse you are riding, retreat from the crusade that you have started and get back to what you came here to do in the first place, moderate. Every time I see your name anymore, the first thing that comes to mind is that old 1980 Linda Ronstadt song, "I Can't Let Go". Please, do your self and everyone in here a favor; just let it go. You'll feel much better, I promise.

So the phrase is "let it go"? I'd throw that right back at you, Doc, and make it retroactive going back however long you've been hammering away at all these "issues" of yours.

In case you forgot, this is what you posted:

You know Craig, if you did absolutely nothing wrong in your moderating duties, your posts in here sure sound like a different story. It sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself, along with the membership. You seem threatened by our existence. None of us want you to feel threatened. Be happy that you now have this board exactly how you want it. All the undesirables are gone and out of your sight. We did you a favor. Now, you don't have worry about posts that you disagree with or people sneaking in here anymore. Rejoice and be happy. You now have the place that you envisioned when you took on your duties.

I know, you will respond with "Bullshit". Oh, well.


Talk about letting it go, I'll ask point blank and directly: Have you chosen to ignore or dismiss everything that anyone involved in moderating this board has said? You are still pushing this bullshit (yes, I'll use that word again because it applies) and suggesting I somehow steamrolled into this moderating gig and took over the whole thing. It's a lie similar to what some who were banned have said and were trying to sell to people on multiple forums. According to that nonsense, every decision that was made, every ban, warning, and all else was initiated by me and me alone in order to create the board how I wanted it. Everything done by the moderators was in lock step with how I envisioned this board, and according to what you have been insisting for several months up to your post above, it was part of my grand scheme to shape the board and dictate how it would exist.

At what point, Doc, will you shut the hell up about this and stop lying?

Beyond the obvious, what you're suggesting here isn't just a lie, it's an insult to the other moderators who have been on the job since I joined, and up to the present day a direct 'f*** you' to both Billy and Charles since you obviously took nothing from what they have said. If you are suggesting I'm responsible for all of these decisions, and have somehow taken control over the board, you are still ignoring what Billy has said as recently as the past week, and what Charles, Billy, Klaas, and myself have been saying since lat year when this same chickenshit "campaign" and the related lying started popping up. Sourced, for the record, by people currently banned from this forum yet welcomed back openly and warmly on your forum.

If you want to come here and lie, if you want to come here and continue insulting the people whom you claim to respect, and continue pushing this bullshit of yours that I'm running roughshod over the whole operation, in spite of being told directly that you were full of sh*t by those actually involved, then you will get a reply and a challenge.

In this case, stop the bullshit.

And if there is nothing to hide, why hide it?

Let it go, indeed. How about accepting the truth for once instead of pushing lies that were dismissed months ago? Keep chasing those windmills, Quixote.
I don't friggin' care. Don't you get it? I will never change with what I think happened in here and you will never convince me otherwise. So, let - it - go.

Just remember this; all that has happened in here, happened under your watch. Your decision making, along with Billy and Chuck directed all that has happened in here over the past year or so. You guys made your decisions, so now live with them.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  :lol
Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved. :)

More proof that you lack both the character and ability to administer and run anything, let alone a fan community.
It is your people coming to and at me. I didn't contact either of them. Boy, the pot calling the kettle black. You suck as a moderator and you have been at it a lot longer than I have. What is your excuse for being lousy? I know, because you can't let go. Beat it to death, brother!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  :lol
Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved. :)

More proof that you lack both the character and ability to administer and run anything, let alone a fan community.
It is your people coming to and at me. I didn't contact either of them. Boy, the pot calling the kettle black. You suck as a moderator and you have been at it a lot longer than I have. What is your excuse for being lousy? I know, because you can't let go. Beat it to death, brother!


Whatever you think about me as a moderator, I don't lie. You can't say the same about yourself, so enjoy carrying around that burden.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 10:21:16 AM
Hmmm, this guy posts more over here than he does on his own board. Things must be slow over there with not very much to do but keep coming home again.  :lol
Go tell your concert & drinking buddy to knock it off, then. I just told Rob McCabe on Facebook Messenger that if Craig stops his crusade, then I'll stop posting in here. So, go convince him and you get rid of me. It's a win-win for everyone involved. :)

More proof that you lack both the character and ability to administer and run anything, let alone a fan community.
It is your people coming to and at me. I didn't contact either of them. Boy, the pot calling the kettle black. You suck as a moderator and you have been at it a lot longer than I have. What is your excuse for being lousy? I know, because you can't let go. Beat it to death, brother!


Whatever you think about me as a moderator, I don't lie. You can't say the same about yourself, so enjoy carrying around that burden.
My conscience is clear. The fact that you can't let go tells me that your grasping.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 10:22:24 AM
I don't friggin' care. Don't you get it? I will never change with what I think happened in here and you will never convince me otherwise. So, let - it - go.

Just remember this; all that has happened in here, happened under your watch. Your decision making, along with Billy and Chuck directed all that has happened in here over the past year or so. You guys made your decisions, so now live with them.

"I will never change with what I think happened in here and you will never convince me otherwise."

You just told everyone that hearing and being told the truth, repeatedly by people you claim to respect, means nothing to you if it contradicts what you want to believe. If that's the kind of integrity and character you bring to the table, you're not fit to be an administrator of anything or anyone.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 10:32:40 AM
My conscience is clear. The fact that you can't let go tells me that your grasping.

If you can't grasp what is the truth versus what are lies, it's easy to tell everyone, and convince yourself, that you have a clear conscience. To truly have a clear conscience you first need to have integrity and honesty, and in your case you've been coming up empty on both counts. If you insist on believing and repeating what you want to believe is true, in spite of being told you're wrong, you must have no integrity beneath that self-proclaimed clear conscience. Whatever the case, if you're going to administer a community of people and fans and not be willing to accept the truth, you're unfit for the job. Unless dishonesty and lack of integrity will be the order of the day moving forward.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 20, 2016, 10:36:07 AM
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"I will never change with what I think happened in here and you will never convince me otherwise."

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ou just told everyone that hearing and being told the truth, repeatedly by people you claim to respect, means nothing to you if it contradicts what you want to believe.

It came across to me like that as well. For all the talk about Craig supposedly being unable to admit he is wrong, that post above shows the exact same attitude. Pot, kettle, black and all that.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 11:50:04 AM
Guys, Guys, Guys! Seriously, what's done is done. No amount of calling each other out about who is right and who's wrong is going to change a thing. It is done. We cannot change what happened and we all have to live with the aftermath. It is what it is and cannot be undone. Craig, the fact you cannot accept that not everyone accepts the truth through your side of the looking glass tells me all I need I ever need to know about your decision making. If what has transpired between you and I is any indication, Billy & Chuck didn't stand a chance of seeing things in any other way but your own.

Remember Billy, there are two sides to every story. I now have heard from both sides and I will stand by my own decisions and conscience. I never said that you had to agree with it and truth be told, if Craig had just let things go, we wouldn't even be discussing this now. I really don't care what any of you think of me personally. I have my own thoughts about you guys and about what you think is important and what you don't. There are certainly many more things that are more important than the two boards. I have a family, friends and a job that depend on me to be there giving my best effort. Wasting my time here when I should be doing more important activities is all I can take away from a day and a half of fruitless arguing. I suggest you guys get back to the important things in your lives, as well.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 01:25:36 PM
Guys, Guys, Guys! Seriously, what's done is done. No amount of calling each other out about who is right and who's wrong is going to change a thing. It is done. We cannot change what happened and we all have to live with the aftermath. It is what it is and cannot be undone. Craig, the fact you cannot accept that not everyone accepts the truth through your side of the looking glass tells me all I need I ever need to know about your decision making. If what has transpired between you and I is any indication, Billy & Chuck didn't stand a chance of seeing things in any other way but your own.

Remember Billy, there are two sides to every story. I now have heard from both sides and I will stand by my own decisions and conscience. I never said that you had to agree with it and truth be told, if Craig had just let things go, we wouldn't even be discussing this now. I really don't care what any of you think of me personally. I have my own thoughts about you guys and about what you think is important and what you don't. There are certainly many more things that are more important than the two boards. I have a family, friends and a job that depend on me to be there giving my best effort. Wasting my time here when I should be doing more important activities is all I can take away from a day and a half of fruitless arguing. I suggest you guys get back to the important things in your lives, as well.

Now you're suggesting I bullied Billy and Chuck, or forced them to act or think a certain way? That's your version of the truth, so no matter what Billy and Chuck might say, you're not going to believe them, unless it fits your own version of events?

You can't see the truth as told by the people directly involved, and only want to believe and repeat whatever you think is the truth. So it's whatever you think and hope happened, versus what the only people involved say has actually happened.

Truly pathetic, especially for someone who will be administrating and moderating a community of fans. No conscience, no honesty, just rigid belief in whatever lies or untruths you want to believe, despite everyone involved repeatedly proving to you that you're wrong.

There it is, the administration of the new forum. Truth and facts don't matter at all, no matter who is telling them, especially if the truth and facts don't support his agenda.

Sick sh*t, man.





Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on June 20, 2016, 01:39:48 PM
Guys, Guys, Guys! Seriously, what's done is done. No amount of calling each other out about who is right and who's wrong is going to change a thing. It is done. We cannot change what happened and we all have to live with the aftermath. It is what it is and cannot be undone. Craig, the fact you cannot accept that not everyone accepts the truth through your side of the looking glass tells me all I need I ever need to know about your decision making. If what has transpired between you and I is any indication, Billy & Chuck didn't stand a chance of seeing things in any other way but your own.

Remember Billy, there are two sides to every story. I now have heard from both sides and I will stand by my own decisions and conscience. I never said that you had to agree with it and truth be told, if Craig had just let things go, we wouldn't even be discussing this now. I really don't care what any of you think of me personally. I have my own thoughts about you guys and about what you think is important and what you don't. There are certainly many more things that are more important than the two boards. I have a family, friends and a job that depend on me to be there giving my best effort. Wasting my time here when I should be doing more important activities is all I can take away from a day and a half of fruitless arguing. I suggest you guys get back to the important things in your lives, as well.

Now you're suggesting I bullied Billy and Chuck, or forced them to act or think a certain way? That's your version of the truth, so no matter what Billy and Chuck might say, you're not going to believe them, unless it fits your own version of events?

You can't see the truth as told by the people directly involved, and only want to believe and repeat whatever you think is the truth. So it's whatever you think and hope happened, versus what the only people involved say has actually happened.

Truly pathetic, especially for someone who will be administrating and moderating a community of fans. No conscience, no honesty, just rigid belief in whatever lies or untruths you want to believe, despite everyone involved repeatedly proving to you that you're wrong.

There it is, the administration of the new forum. Truth and facts don't matter at all, no matter who is telling them, especially if the truth and facts don't support his agenda.

Sick sh*t, man.




You are not well. Please seek help. Worry about yourself, not me. I am a big boy and can handle what comes my way, but I am concerned that you haven't been able to do the same. Find some peace and get on with life. I swear, you will feel better, honest.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 20, 2016, 01:44:54 PM
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Now you're suggesting I bullied Billy and Chuck, or forced them to act or think a certain way? That's your version of the truth, so no matter what Billy and Chuck might say, you're not going to believe them, unless it fits your own version of events?

*Nobody* bullied me or coerces me to do anything. And the idea of the board owner being bullied is downright ludicrious.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 01:55:19 PM
Dirk / Dr. Beach Boy doesn't believe you, Billy. Despite not being involved, he knows exactly what happened, apparently, and is still telling everyone what happened based on what he either wants to be true or wants to convince others (or himself) is true. I bullied everyone, including you and the board's owner Charles, into making this board into what I envisioned when I became a moderator. That's his version of the truth.

He's already said nothing any of us will say would matter, he's already convinced.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: HeyJude on June 20, 2016, 02:07:31 PM
I realize it's totally plausible and acceptable that if someone wants to be on this board and post only in the "Sandbox", that's cool if that's their thing.

But if one's posting history shows almost a month now of posts solely and exclusively in the "Sandbox", most or all of which are argumentative or somehow participating in some sort of debate or argument (and nearly if not entirely exclusive *about* the board and drama), then perhaps *that* is the person that needs to "let it go."

There's only one person now posting in this thread who has not posted a single post outside of the Sandbox in nearly a month, and who appears to be here solely to argue (while ironically telling others to "let it go" and move on, etc.), and that person is not a Mod or Admin on this board.

I can understand that if someone wants to be on a board and talk about a band (or whatever the topic is), then furthering an off-topic debate to fight for the life of the board or fight for a direction you want the board to take might make some sort of sense. But when you've left a board, washed your hands of it, and become a figure at another board formed directly as a result of ill feelings about the former board, and you continue to post to the former board, punctuated often with protests asking *other* people to "let it go", then, well, it speaks for itself.

It's not fair, in my opinion, to participate in the acrimony on a board you've seemingly otherwise left, and then move to another board; a board which regularly laments (however directly or indirectly) how some "other" board is full of drama.

The other new board is in the new relationship phase like any relationship. You break up, find someone else, and then you can start fresh and all of your old stories and conversation topics are all of a sudden fresh and not everyone else seems to find them repetitive and boring. Your new partner hasn't heard the "other" side of the stories about your past breakups. You can restart with "favorite albums" threads and start topics posing questions that have been asked and answered on numerous other boards over the years. Also, much like a new relationship, there is the potential to continue to contribute to the acrimony of a previous failed relationship while complaining to your new partner how sour and awful the old relationship was. I'm sure a lot of people write to their exes over and over just to tell them to "get over it" and telling them to stop communicating. "Dear Susie, I just wanted to write to let you know that you should stop reading my messages." Those ironies persist in many types of relationships.

Perhaps this thread can be closed, and then it will take someone going way out of their way to start drama in order for this all to pick up again.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 20, 2016, 02:13:16 PM
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But if one's posting history shows almost a month now of posts solely and exclusively in the "Sandbox", most or all of which are argumentative or somehow participating in some sort of debate or argument (and nearly if not entirely exclusive *about* the board and drama), then perhaps *that* is the person that needs to "let it go."

Agreed.

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Perhaps this thread can be closed, and then it will take someone going way out of their way to start drama in order for this all to pick up again.


Also agreed. Craig, do you agree as well?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
I will not have things that are not true told as the accurate version of events moving forward. It played out today that there is an absolute refusal on Dr BB's part to accept or even acknowledge that what he has been telling everyone is simply not supported by the facts. If he continues to lie, and if the lies revolve around making statements about me or what I did that are not true, I should at least have the opportunity to challenge. At this point it has also reached a point where Charles and Billy have been called into question, with suggestions they were bullied, and what they have said on the matter means nothing in favor of the opinions held and broadcast by Dr BB and others. The charges of bullying are absolutely, positively false and ridiculous. If the person or persons spreading those lies continues to do so, there has to be an outlet to challenge them with the facts. That is my reservation about closing this down. If it's closed down, the lies will continue to stand as fact and any attempts to start a new discussion in defense of or in a challenge to the lies (and the liars) will be called out as stirring the sh*t or prolonging matters, with the related calls to "let it go".

Bottom line: Dirk/Dr BB is simply not telling the truth. I don't know how much more clear that point could be.

Once a few items are clarified, I'd like to see this end too. But not just for the sake of ending it, especially while the lies are still being spread around.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 20, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
Definitely understood. At what point does 'enough' truly become 'enough', though? If one person says they will *never* back down, then at what point do we cut our losses and say 'hey, this guy is out of base, out of line, but no matter what we do he will, he will hold to it' and cut our losses?

From my own personal experience...people generally don't change their stripes, esp. when questions of honesty/dishonesty come into play.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 20, 2016, 02:37:32 PM
It reached beyond rationality today. To read essentially that the truth doesn't matter, it is hitting a brick wall. If people out there choose to get involved in all of this with that kind of broken moral compass working as an admin of a new community, that's their choice. But the lies won't go unchallenged here, if they continue to appear.

There were some issues that have not been addressed, specific to the domain/hosting stuff. I can and will address them to put the period at the end of that sentence. What happened today took this into areas that defy logic and any reasons behind posting to a fan forum. It was good that it has been kept in the sandbox.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 20, 2016, 08:58:50 PM
Cam asked about sending PM's...I did get those. Do you expect me to act alone and either make a decision or comment, or wait for Billy and Charles to weigh in as well? I'd rather follow the procedure and wait for when Billy and Charles have a chance to discuss it. Did you send it to them too?

You could have just straightforwardly answered yes to the original question in the thread and done the rest by PM.

I did not send it to Charles because the current procedure as posted is to first send it to you and Billie, which I have done, and you should be able to confirm that by my posts in your inbox I assume. In light of past problems with notification and Bccing, I expect acknowledgment of receipt from all those required in the procedure (not just half), especially when specifically requested. Now that we all know the system is working I trust those who need to will finally weigh in and the procedure will be followed eventually as best it can be to the Mods' abilities.  Thanks.

Do you think I was unaware of what this was/is when I replied?

Since you didn't my answer my first question and you had not even replied to previous direct requests by PM as to whether you had recieved my PMs, yes, I thought you were unaware and had no way to know otherwise.

Cam, I'd suggest either being more patient or giving it a rest. I also didn't reply to all of your messages because Billy had already been replying to you, and unfortunately I had no way of knowing what he said to you because I didn't get the replies you got, but I'm assuming he updated you on his end based on your replies to him. If you had already been in a dialogue with a mod, I don't know what you expected me to say when I wasn't getting or seeing the replies and when your messages were already being addressed by a moderator.

I am being patient but all lies matter. You didn't reply to any of my PMs.  All of my messages were sent to and received by you (and Billie). Billie had circumstances that prevented him from acting and I suggested in two posts you received and quoted the suggestion in a third post you received that you could handle it and Billy should take care of his family. You didn't respond to those either. You didn't even reply to a request to reply to show if you were even receiving the PMs. I'm not a mind reader and don't know what the Mods discuss between themselves but you did receive (you say) the 3 posts suggesting you could handle it so Billie could take care of his family and I'm a little surprised you didn't then take that up with Billie. At least now we all three know and progress can be made so please contact me by PM with any questions, I will respond.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 20, 2016, 10:57:43 PM
Definitely understood. At what point does 'enough' truly become 'enough', though? If one person says they will *never* back down, then at what point do we cut our losses and say 'hey, this guy is out of base, out of line, but no matter what we do he will, he will hold to it' and cut our losses?

From my own personal experience...people generally don't change their stripes, esp. when questions of honesty/dishonesty come into play.

Billy, can I suggest that you go with Hey Jude's suggestion and lock the thread anyway? Craig can always re-open it if be feels be has more to say on the subject, then lock it again as he leaves?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Bittersweet-Insanity on June 21, 2016, 02:24:09 AM
to bring some much needed levity to this thread...gf, who is paying the bills? Gary Usher and Stephen McParland...PTB (Paying The Bills) Productions ;D

Keep up the good work, dudes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on June 21, 2016, 10:14:30 AM
As I am already "guilty" of contributing to this thread, I'll try to "atone" with my 2nd (and last here, I promise) post.
I am a "Brianista" (whatever that should mean), and have no plan to register in the PS board. Two are enough for me.
Said that, my humble plea to Charles, Billy and Craig: please lock this thread and let these matters rest. Everybody, by now, has read enough and knows enough to have made up their minds. As Billy said, let's cut the losses. :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 22, 2016, 06:03:05 AM
I will not have things that are not true told as the accurate version of events moving forward.

 ???

Me, still being patient.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 27, 2016, 08:17:34 PM
It reached beyond rationality today. To read essentially that the truth doesn't matter, it is hitting a brick wall. If people out there choose to get involved in all of this with that kind of broken moral compass working as an admin of a new community, that's their choice. But the lies won't go unchallenged here, if they continue to appear.

There were some issues that have not been addressed, specific to the domain/hosting stuff. I can and will address them to put the period at the end of that sentence. What happened today took this into areas that defy logic and any reasons behind posting to a fan forum. It was good that it has been kept in the sandbox.


I said I would address the lingering questions that haven't been answered, so I will now. It's been enough time for anyone to answer, and no one has. So, here it is.

When a question is asked, and the answers given first are along the lines of "it's none of your business", a red flag goes up. It is no one's business what someone does at a live concert either, but somehow it became an issue here. And it was answered.

What I don't like is when someone lies. Or factoring in other possibilities, maybe the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing, or paying for, regarding operating fan forums. That could be.

But the issue of "hiding" information? The claim that nothing is being hidden is a lie, or perhaps there is a miscommunication about what some people are paying for regarding web services. There is proof of this. Unless such a service suddenly became free for a fan message board's domain name.

Domain names are commodities, they are bought and sold and depending on the name in question, their value could be massive. There are actually speculators who try to predict trends and invest in dozens of domain names related to what they think may become a hot item in the future. Much like stocks or other traded commodities.

Anyone who secures and registers a domain name will have it listed in the directory. This is just like the old phone books, if you got a new phone number your information was published in your area's directory.

If you wanted what was called an "unlisted" number, you could pay extra for that service, and your name, number, and info would not appear in the public phone books.

Internet domain names are the same way. If you choose, and it is a choice and not a default setting, you can pay extra fees to have registration info hidden in the domain name databases and lists. You pay a fee, and instead of your own details and info on that listing, you'll see a proxy name and proxy contact info. Most often these are third party companies, who may or may not be connected to the actual web hosting services, but who will become your proxy registration information, for a fee.

Google something like "Domains By Proxy" for examples of how this works.

Whatever the case, it is not free.

And the question was, why is information being hidden. The answer was, nothing was being hidden. Nothing was being paid for along those lines.

And that was a lie. You cannot get those services for free. They cost extra, the companies who provide their info by proxy to be used in private listings are often third-party, for-profit companies.

So who's lying might be the new question. Because someone was, is, and will be paying an extra fee, no matter what that is, to hide information related to the registration and the URL domain name in this case.

Why? Anyone's guess. No one has given an honest answer, so the floor is open for that one.

But why deny it? Why lie that the extra fee and service of masking info behind a proxy for hire was being done, when it is actually being done?

I think there are something like 300 million web domains active today, possibly more since it's an election year in the US. I've heard estimates that 10 million of the domain owners have the proxy privacy option in place, most of them for corporate or political reasons, as in trying to mask the PAC or funding behind a smear campaign website, or protect corporate interests from competitors. Just an FYI.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 27, 2016, 09:01:05 PM
Let. It. Die.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 27, 2016, 10:45:43 PM
Let. It. Die.

If it had been answered honestly when the question was originally asked, it would have died several weeks ago. I said I would comment on it, some were asking me about it, so I just laid it out. If you don't like it, don't read it or comment on it - just ignore it. Simple as that.

Since I was asked for specifics to clarify, there they are.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 27, 2016, 11:06:55 PM
The question should never have been asked in the first place.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 27, 2016, 11:33:59 PM
The question should never have been asked in the first place.

Which question? The ones asking about me posting about buying a beer at upcoming concerts affecting my ability to moderate a fan forum? Whether I had accepted or was accepting gifts or other forms of payment for moderating forums? The ones about me bullying other moderators here and the board owner into making decisions? The ones about me banning people out of spite? The ones being raised about people's private lives and their children?

I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise. So if this bothers you for the same reasons you posted what you directed at me in the AGD ban forum complete with eye-roll smiley emoji (  ::) ), just ignore it. I could care less at this point.

I was asked to clarify some comments, and I did. Now it's on the table. The answer originally given was that nothing was being hidden, nothing was being paid to hide it, and that is blatantly false. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 27, 2016, 11:51:14 PM
The question I refer to is about the pet sounds forum, and who "plays the bills". You and I both know that was what I was referring to. The financial aspects of any and all message boards beside this one should be of no concern to us. We do not have the right to ask details of such matters.

Why the attack on me, all of a sudden? Have I said anything to offend you?



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 28, 2016, 12:05:47 AM
If someone asking who pays the bills and pointing out blatant lies upsets you more than people lying right to your face, I'd say your choice of what to challenge and object to is hard to understand.

And maybe I also don't understand why this challenge you posted about 'who pays the bills' while you remained silent as people made my comments about buying beer at concerts and asking if I accepted any gifts for moderating fan forums into issues to be challenged publicly. Was it "their business" to ask those questions of me?

If what any of us do at a concert totally unrelated to this board and a matter of privacy above all is open for questioning, then so is asking who is paying the bills for a new fan forum and why are they paying to hide the registration information.

A lot of people already got duped, misled, and lied to coming from a source of personal grudges rather than the desire to tell the truth. Maybe I don't want to see that happen again, whether or not you may have been one of those duped into believing things that weren't true.

There were fees paid to keep information hidden, and when asked about it, those answering lied instead of telling the truth. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 12:34:22 AM
What we've got here, is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach....so, you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it. Well, he gets it! N' I don't like it any more than you men.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 28, 2016, 06:54:04 AM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 28, 2016, 07:20:03 AM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?

The equivalent of picking up the phone book. If you work or have worked with setting up and registering/buying domain names in the recent past, you know the process.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 28, 2016, 08:20:43 AM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?

The equivalent of picking up the phone book. If you work or have worked with setting up and registering/buying domain names in the recent past, you know the process.

So could you show the actual "phone book" "listing" that is your proof, for those of us who don't know the process?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 28, 2016, 08:26:39 AM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?

The equivalent of picking up the phone book. If you work or have worked with setting up and registering/buying domain names in the recent past, you know the process.

So could you show the actual "phone book" "listing" that is your proof, for those of us who don't know the process?

Put this into your search engine:  ICANN WHOIS

That's the phone book.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 28, 2016, 09:59:37 AM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?

The equivalent of picking up the phone book. If you work or have worked with setting up and registering/buying domain names in the recent past, you know the process.

So could you show the actual "phone book" "listing" that is your proof, for those of us who don't know the process?

Put this into your search engine:  ICANN WHOIS

That's the phone book.

It's like frikkin' Fox News:  Tell a lie. Repeat it incessantly.  When anyone challenges, accuse them of being "paranoid,"  a "conspiracy theorist," whatever. 

One of the primary liars involved in all of this announced publicly on this board that I had complained to the SS mods about him, probably about a year ago(?)  I didn't even remember who he was.  I actually wondered if I had off-handedly mentioned him in an unofficial chat with a mod.  I knew I never officially complained.  I checked with the mods.  There was never a discussion about him - so there wasn't even a grey area in all of this.  He made the whole thing up for whatever reason served his purposes.  There are some serious liars posting here and elsewhere.  I guess it's your choice whether you believe them or not.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 10:07:45 AM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?

The equivalent of picking up the phone book. If you work or have worked with setting up and registering/buying domain names in the recent past, you know the process.

So could you show the actual "phone book" "listing" that is your proof, for those of us who don't know the process?

Put this into your search engine:  ICANN WHOIS

That's the phone book.

It's like frikkin' Fox News:  Tell a lie. Repeat it incessantly.  When anyone challenges, accuse them of being "paranoid,"  a "conspiracy theorist," whatever. 

One of the primary liars involved in all of this announced publicly on this board that I had complained to the SS mods about him, probably about a year ago(?)  I didn't even remember who he was.  I actually wondered if I had off-handedly mentioned him in an unofficial chat with a mod.  I knew I never officially complained.  I checked with the mods.  There was never a discussion about him - so there wasn't even a grey area in all of this.  He made the whole thing up for whatever reason served his purposes.  There are some serious liars posting here and elsewhere.  I guess it's your choice whether you believe them or not.

I can personally vouch that the above statement is true.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 10:13:12 AM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 28, 2016, 10:25:20 AM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?

Show me where it happened. I got eye-rolling emojis after Doe was banned and challenges after asking who pays the bills, while months of lies and complete crap directed at me personally went by without comment or went unchecked. I just go with what showed up on the board. And what I see is one-sided, selective criticism. Where were the calls to "let it die" when people were lying since last year?

If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die and "lock it down"? It doesn't work that way.

And the lies are still being told, if anyone cares about being lied to. See the above.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 10:53:15 AM
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Show me where it happened. I got eye-rolling emojis after Doe was banned and challenges after asking who pays the bills, while months of lies and complete crap directed at me personally went by without comment or went unchecked. I just go with what showed up on the board. And what I see is one-sided, selective criticism. Where were the calls to "let it die" when people were lying since last year?

If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die and "lock it down"? It doesn't work that way.
Just going through post history (and not bringing up pms, facebook messages, emails, phone conversations, or anything else not visible here) ? Soon as I'm discharged and can use my laptop rather than this lame phone I'll definitely go through all of it.
Might be better though if he explains what he meant rather than me.




Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 11:05:57 AM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?







If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die


Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 11:20:29 AM
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Show me where it happened. I got eye-rolling emojis after Doe was banned and challenges after asking who pays the bills, while months of lies and complete crap directed at me personally went by without comment or went unchecked. I just go with what showed up on the board. And what I see is one-sided, selective criticism. Where were the calls to "let it die" when people were lying since last year?

If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die and "lock it down"? It doesn't work that way.
Just going through post history (and not bringing up pms, facebook messages, emails, phone conversations, or anything else not visible here) ? Soon as I'm discharged and can use my laptop rather than this lame phone I'll definitely go through all of it.
Might be better though if he explains what he meant rather than me.


Ill do just that, right now. Just give me a minute to refresh my mind and get context on said post. Just try to lay back and take it easy, Billy.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 11:38:47 AM
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Show me where it happened. I got eye-rolling emojis after Doe was banned and challenges after asking who pays the bills, while months of lies and complete crap directed at me personally went by without comment or went unchecked. I just go with what showed up on the board. And what I see is one-sided, selective criticism. Where were the calls to "let it die" when people were lying since last year?

If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die and "lock it down"? It doesn't work that way.
Just going through post history (and not bringing up pms, facebook messages, emails, phone conversations, or anything else not visible here) ? Soon as I'm discharged and can use my laptop rather than this lame phone I'll definitely go through all of it.
Might be better though if he explains what he meant rather than me.


Ill do just that, right now. Just give me a minute to refresh my mind and get context on said post. Just try to lay back and take it easy, Billy.
First of all, I somehow messed up the quotes. Sorry about that. Alright, I just re-read my post. My post about guitarfool was a rather sarcastic "thinking out loud" type of post, in reference to the fact that it's no secret that guitarfool and Andrew don't like each other. To be totally honest, my thought at the time was "we've lost a great information resource, while guitarfool is probably happier than a pig in sh*t". As I said, the post was sarcastic and cynical, but not meant to be deliberately hurtful. I guess at the time I was particularly upset and angry that Andrew would never be a part of this board again. But in retrospect, it was unnecessary, and I can see how it could be taken as hurtful. I didn't think things through before I posted, and I apologize. I'm sorry, Craig.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 28, 2016, 11:41:30 AM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?


If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die


Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.

Just curious.  You seem to have the same spelling and grammatical skills as the certain person who supposedly started another board.  Are you the same person, or did you just quit school at the same age?  Seriously, there is spell-check.  

Now, to address the funding of that other board:  I think the term "follow the money" applies in pretty much everything that happens in the Western world.  A certain editor gets a tour book gig and he suddenly becomes anti-Brian.  That would be one example.  So who happens to be funding this thing?  I thinks it's a legitimate question, given the history.  


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 11:53:16 AM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?


If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die


Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.

Just curious.  You seem to have the same spelling and grammatical skills as the certain person who supposedly started another board.  Are you the same person, or did you just quit school at the same age?  Seriously, there is spell-check.  

Now, to address the funding of that other board:  I think the term "follow the money" applies in pretty much everything that happens in the Western world.  A certain editor gets a tour book gig and he suddenly becomes anti-Brian.  That would be one example.  So who happens to be funding this thing?  I thinks it's a legitimate question, given the history.  
I happen to be using a kindle at the moment, and the autocorrect is getting in the way. My apologies if the spelling and grammar are a little off. Have a nice day.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 28, 2016, 12:03:11 PM
Craig, you are making some pretty strong accusations.  What is your proof that this is being hidden and that one of these services were used, for whatever reason, to hide it?

The equivalent of picking up the phone book. If you work or have worked with setting up and registering/buying domain names in the recent past, you know the process.

So could you show the actual "phone book" "listing" that is your proof, for those of us who don't know the process?

Put this into your search engine:  ICANN WHOIS

That's the phone book.

I'm not too saave on this but you may have a red herring here.  I looked up my own work website for my work

mottsigns.com

which I set up and pay for (my only experience with it) and it returns the same info for my look up, that company and mail address and phone numbers etc.. I did not choose to hide or pay to hide any of my info.  I want my info out there, I put it on my website in fact.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 28, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?


If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die


Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.

Just curious.  You seem to have the same spelling and grammatical skills as the certain person who supposedly started another board.  Are you the same person, or did you just quit school at the same age?  Seriously, there is spell-check.  

Now, to address the funding of that other board:  I think the term "follow the money" applies in pretty much everything that happens in the Western world.  A certain editor gets a tour book gig and he suddenly becomes anti-Brian.  That would be one example.  So who happens to be funding this thing?  I thinks it's a legitimate question, given the history.  
I happen to be using a kindle at the moment, and the autocorrect is getting in the way. My apologies if the spelling and grammar are a little off. Have a nice day.

Apology accepted.  I have the same problem on my phone.  

So you're not the same person?  That was the actual question, even if I happened to be a bit unpleasant about it.  

Now about my second point.  Why is asking for information about  the funding of this new site not an issue if you're wanting to know it's purpose and intent?  I suppose it could be a number of things that would make people leave here and go there (aside from a large part of the small core group who were banned from here for various reasons).  The sad part of this is that we can probably never know what was taking place behind the scenes (in pm's) here, but I'm pretty certain Mr. LePage didn't want any illegal - or potentially illegal - activity. Beyond that, I don't know.

As far as the other site, I don't go there, I'm not characterizing it, I'm just questioning exactly what the motivation is for it, beyond a spot for banned posters.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 12:15:30 PM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?


If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die


Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.

Just curious.  You seem to have the same spelling and grammatical skills as the certain person who supposedly started another board.  Are you the same person, or did you just quit school at the same age?  Seriously, there is spell-check.  

Now, to address the funding of that other board:  I think the term "follow the money" applies in pretty much everything that happens in the Western world.  A certain editor gets a tour book gig and he suddenly becomes anti-Brian.  That would be one example.  So who happens to be funding this thing?  I thinks it's a legitimate question, given the history.  

Agreed with the second part (strongly agree, in fact) but have to respectfully disagree with the first. Jay is not drbeachboy, and considering I know him personally  (and is my band's co-manager) I would be the first to know if he was him, but he's not.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 28, 2016, 12:16:53 PM
Or am I funding the PSF !?!?!  (draws cape across face and disappears in a puff of smoke as pipe organ wails)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 28, 2016, 12:29:56 PM
Yeah jay is a great guy! 8)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 12:46:03 PM
Thanks, guys.  :laugh: I guess I have my moments. To answer the question, no, I've not run or had any part of running a website or forum. Except for the forthcoming Fear2Stop website, due to be "live" by the year 2525.  :p


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
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Except for the forthcoming Fear2Stop website, due to be "live" by the year 2525. 

Yup....two days after Beach Boys Central :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
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Except for the forthcoming Fear2Stop website, due to be "live" by the year 2525. 

Yup....two days after Beach Boys Central :lol
And on the same day as the release of the beach boys "Manson tapes".  >:D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 01:19:58 PM
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Except for the forthcoming Fear2Stop website, due to be "live" by the year 2525. 

Yup....two days after Beach Boys Central :lol
And on the same day as the release of the beach boys "Manson tapes".  >:D

Which is doubly depressing considering the physical medium died sometime around the year 2351, at least the next-to-last time I time-traveled. (the very last time would interest nobody...too many damn Morlocks :lol)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 01:36:10 PM
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Except for the forthcoming Fear2Stop website, due to be "live" by the year 2525. 

Yup....two days after Beach Boys Central :lol
And on the same day as the release of the beach boys "Manson tapes".  >:D

Which is doubly depressing considering the physical medium died sometime around the year 2351, at least the next-to-last time I time-traveled. (the very last time would interest nobody...too many damn Morlocks :lol)
I remember it well. The year the great King Saen invented internal music chips that went into the nose and directly to the brain.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 02:40:53 PM
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Except for the forthcoming Fear2Stop website, due to be "live" by the year 2525. 

Yup....two days after Beach Boys Central :lol
And on the same day as the release of the beach boys "Manson tapes".  >:D

Which is doubly depressing considering the physical medium died sometime around the year 2351, at least the next-to-last time I time-traveled. (the very last time would interest nobody...too many damn Morlocks :lol)
I remember it well. The year the great King Saen invented internal music chips that went into the nose and directly to the brain.


Mmm...chips...I'll take sour cream and onion,  please


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on June 28, 2016, 03:19:54 PM
I read that as "your" and got scared for a minute.  :o


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 03:53:25 PM
:lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Debbie KL on June 28, 2016, 06:23:58 PM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?


If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die


Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.

Just curious.  You seem to have the same spelling and grammatical skills as the certain person who supposedly started another board.  Are you the same person, or did you just quit school at the same age?  Seriously, there is spell-check.  

Now, to address the funding of that other board:  I think the term "follow the money" applies in pretty much everything that happens in the Western world.  A certain editor gets a tour book gig and he suddenly becomes anti-Brian.  That would be one example.  So who happens to be funding this thing?  I thinks it's a legitimate question, given the history.  

Agreed with the second part (strongly agree, in fact) but have to respectfully disagree with the first. Jay is not drbeachboy, and considering I know him personally  (and is my band's co-manager) I would be the first to know if he was him, but he's not.

I'm glad to know that it was a computer glitch that suddenly made this person seem to have the same spelling and grammar issues as Dr. BB.  Thanks.  The auto-correct on my new phone is driving me nuts, as well.

I was just wondering, given the tone of the posts, as well.  That's why I asked.

I also think it's safe to say that no one thinks that Cam is funding the new site.  Cam sells signs in KS.  That's pretty clear.  I suppose the new site might just be a group of disgruntled banned posters from BW and SS suddenly starting their own thing, but given past patterns, I doubt it.  I remain curious who's paying for everything at the new site, still.  I don't expect an honest answer - ever.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 28, 2016, 07:08:39 PM
I also think it's safe to say that no one thinks that Cam is funding the new site.  Cam sells signs in KS.  That's pretty clear.  I suppose the new site might just be a group of disgruntled banned posters from BW and SS suddenly starting their own thing, but given past patterns, I doubt it.  I remain curious who's paying for everything at the new site, still.  I don't expect an honest answer - ever.

Expecting an honest answer is usually a fool's errand in these situations, with some of these people. If I got 5 pennies in exchange for a nickel from a few notables, I'd count the pennies twice to make sure there were five. If the lies of the past are any indication.

What made me curious was this: Why hide the registrant and ownership/admin info on this domain? If all of this boils down to "it's just a freakin' message board", then what's the big secret? I can understand corporate and political interests doing it, I can understand those who broker and speculate domain names for profit doing it, but why a Beach Boys message board that peaks out at around 150-200 unique users and members? Every one of the boards I've known or have been involved with over the past decade and more have had admins and owners known by everyone. Susan's board, Junkstar's board, Charles' board, Jon and John's board, etc...

So why hide the registration?



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 07:20:51 PM


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I suppose the new site might just be a group of disgruntled banned posters from BW and SS suddenly starting their own thing, but given past patterns, I doubt it.  I remain curious who's paying for everything at the new site, still.  I don't expect an honest answer - ever.

 I don't expect one either, but more to the point, even if we do, we have no way of knowing if it's true or not. I mean, how do you prove or disprove?   That's why I personally am ready to move on from this. Both Craig and I have spoken the truth as we see it, and at this point what else can be done?  Besides, I personally would rather discuss things like Brian's current tour, things that actually matter. If I had to choose between my hero's music and a bunch of disgruntled people I'll never meet or speak to in person,  well, I know which side I'd fall on.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 28, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
I also think it's safe to say that no one thinks that Cam is funding the new site.  Cam sells signs in KS.  That's pretty clear.  I suppose the new site might just be a group of disgruntled banned posters from BW and SS suddenly starting their own thing, but given past patterns, I doubt it.  I remain curious who's paying for everything at the new site, still.  I don't expect an honest answer - ever.

Expecting an honest answer is usually a fool's errand in these situations, with some of these people. If I got 5 pennies in exchange for a nickel from a few notables, I'd count the pennies twice to make sure there were five. If the lies of the past are any indication.

What made me curious was this: Why hide the registrant and ownership/admin info on this domain? If all of this boils down to "it's just a freakin' message board", then what's the big secret? I can understand corporate and political interests doing it, I can understand those who broker and speculate domain names for profit doing it, but why a Beach Boys message board that peaks out at around 150-200 unique users and members? Every one of the boards I've known or have been involved with over the past decade and more have had admins and owners known by everyone. Susan's board, Junkstar's board, Charles' board, Jon and John's board, etc...

So why hide the registration?



Boggles my mind too, but I don't think we'll ever know the whole story. I'd be amazed if we did, but even if we did we might not even believe it then considering past issues. So I'm bowing out of this going forward unless I see a resumption of half truths and/or attacks. Until then, I think I've said all I can say.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 28, 2016, 07:32:55 PM
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I agree, those questions should never have been asked. You could/should have taken it up with the people asking that stuff originally and helped end it all long before this. You chose otherwise.

Have to play devils advocate,  but how do you know he didn't?

If even one call was posted to 'stop the lying', maybe it would be different. But lies and liars get a free pass, while asking questions gets calls to let it die

Because the questions you are asking are, frankly, none of your Damn business.What does or doesn't happen on a board which you are no part of is none of your concern, plain and simple. Whatever lies and misinformation goes on there is on the heads of the so called liers. Once it leaves this board, it is not your crusade nor mine, or billy's, or any other board member.

Just curious.  You seem to have the same spelling and grammatical skills as the certain person who supposedly started another board.  Are you the same person, or did you just quit school at the same age?  Seriously, there is spell-check.  

Now, to address the funding of that other board:  I think the term "follow the money" applies in pretty much everything that happens in the Western world.  A certain editor gets a tour book gig and he suddenly becomes anti-Brian.  That would be one example.  So who happens to be funding this thing?  I thinks it's a legitimate question, given the history.  

Anti-Brian??

Like this?

http://www.examiner.com/list/brian-wilson-is-a-living-legend


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 28, 2016, 07:34:04 PM
Also Debbie, buy the program, and review the contents before stating something so uninformed and erroneous. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 28, 2016, 07:54:19 PM
This type of attack is why I'm not here anymore.  What makes it worse is the comment discredits all the members of The Beach Boys.  The idea of me being anti-Brian is lunacy.  That's like saying I don't like music.  

I was hired to produce the 2015 and 2016 programs because the group trusts me to do a great job visually, and create an accurate balance to the group's past within the pages of each program.  I can say those tasks have been accomplished.  Ask anyone who has last year's program, or purchases 2016's.      

Here are links that represent three consecutive editions of ESQ:

FALL 2015
http://esquarterly.com/buy-ESQ.html#fall2015

WINTER 2015
http://esquarterly.com/buy-ESQ.html#winter2015

SPRING 2016 *NOTE <— interview with Brian and Melinda
http://esquarterly.com/buy-ESQ.html#spring2016

For the record (and they ALL already know this because I've told them), I love each member of The Beach Boys for what they've musically given the world.   


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 28, 2016, 08:36:18 PM
I also think it's safe to say that no one thinks that Cam is funding the new site.  Cam sells signs in KS.  That's pretty clear.  I suppose the new site might just be a group of disgruntled banned posters from BW and SS suddenly starting their own thing, but given past patterns, I doubt it.  I remain curious who's paying for everything at the new site, still.  I don't expect an honest answer - ever.

Expecting an honest answer is usually a fool's errand in these situations, with some of these people. If I got 5 pennies in exchange for a nickel from a few notables, I'd count the pennies twice to make sure there were five. If the lies of the past are any indication.

What made me curious was this: Why hide the registrant and ownership/admin info on this domain? If all of this boils down to "it's just a freakin' message board", then what's the big secret? I can understand corporate and political interests doing it, I can understand those who broker and speculate domain names for profit doing it, but why a Beach Boys message board that peaks out at around 150-200 unique users and members? Every one of the boards I've known or have been involved with over the past decade and more have had admins and owners known by everyone. Susan's board, Junkstar's board, Charles' board, Jon and John's board, etc...

So why hide the registration?



First, you've been told who paid for the registrations. Second, my own registration shows that registrations can be private in this same way without one actively trying to hide it regardless of your personal experience.  Thirdly, the moderators and admins and owners are known and are identified on the board and in this thread. The only secret is why this campaign of accusations and insinuations continues in spite of all of this information.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 28, 2016, 08:39:24 PM
This type of attack is why I'm not here anymore.  

How do you feel about all those other attacks, like those on Brian's family as well as board members here, which had been happening here both publicly and privately? Would it matter if some of the same individuals you have been promoting and are now on a new fan community with were behind them?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 28, 2016, 11:01:01 PM
With the exception of colleague Andrew Doe, I don't follow either board closely enough to know who is and isn't here or there.

In fact, the only reason I was aware of this thread was because Lee Dempsey copy and pasted (in an email) what Debbie said, otherwise it wouldn't have even been on my radar.

For the most part, this is all inconsequential … It has nothing to do with the music. 




Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 29, 2016, 01:10:25 AM
Why hide the registrant and ownership/admin info on this domain? If all of this boils down to "it's just a freakin' message board", then what's the big secret? I can understand corporate and political interests doing it, I can understand those who broker and speculate domain names for profit doing it, but why a Beach Boys message board that peaks out at around 150-200 unique users and members? Every one of the boards I've known or have been involved with over the past decade and more have had admins and owners known by everyone. Susan's board, Junkstar's board, Charles' board, Jon and John's board, etc...

So why hide the registration?


Looks to me like it's nothing more than the agency used to do all the registering has done it in its own name instead of the client's.

The other options are too horrific to contemplate though.

1) That the PSF board is a front for ISIS, in which case we should all be hiding under the sheets and trembling.
2) that the PSF board is a front for the CIA, in which case we should all be hiding under the sheets and trembling.
3) That the PSF board is being run by an bunch of fans who wanted a different atmosphere, in which case no one needs hide under the sheets, trembling.

Still, I'm glad you're one the case and pursuing it with such dogged determination. Let us know when you get a result so we can all sleep easy.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 29, 2016, 01:36:16 AM
Which question? The ones asking about me posting about buying a beer at upcoming concerts affecting my ability to moderate a fan forum? Whether I had accepted or was accepting gifts or other forms of payment for moderating forums?

I was one of those who referred to either or both these issues (don't think I was the only one, but hey…)

The ref to you having a drink with OSD at a gig was triggered by the fact that quite a few folks had, at the time, been calling for him/her to be banned for constantly trolling negative posts about Mike Love, to the point of distraction. As you seemed to be a pal of his/hers, then it's an obvious question to ask – why was no action seen to be taken against a troll who was also, apparently, a mate of a mod? Were their actions tolerated because of a personal friendship? I think you answered that at the time, and I understand that an anti-trolling rule has since been introduced. Surely that was the end of it? I cannot believe that you've raked up such a toxic topic again, unless you've something to get of your chest with regard to it.

It was also me that asked whether you were receiving any payments, gifts or benefit in relation to your position as Super Mod at the BW board. I was curious to know whether your position there might influence the way in which you moderated any posts on this board which might be seen as pro- or anti-Mike, or pro- or anti-Brian. You also answered that at the time and assured us that you receive no payments, gifts or benefit and that your position as moderator here was not influenced by your position there in any way. Surely that was the end of it? I cannot believe that you've raked up such a toxic topic again, unless you've something to get of your chest with regard to it.

It's nothing more than looking for an assurance that everything is above board and that everyone is treated equally.  I asked, and was answered. It didn't need raking up again.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: HeyJude on June 29, 2016, 06:39:30 AM
Regarding the issues with ESQ, it should be noted that the issues seemed to pertain mainly if not exclusively to articles penned by Mr. Beard via "Examiner" rather than articles he published inside of ESQ.

The issues with those articles are *well-documented* on this board. Whether they were written specifically with an "anti-Brian" motive, I have no idea. But there was a succession of articles that were disrespectful to Brian and/or a weirdly aggressive and out-of-nowhere soapbox outlet for Mike Love and, in my opinion, insulted any fan who truly is a "fan of all of the band members." I think these articles, including one which was a monologue/diatribe from Mike attempting to start off as an actual "interview", were indeed harshly criticized here. But it was with good reason. The criticism was harsh, but never out of line or personal.

I think people were also off-put and questioned the movies of such articles precisely *because* ESQ has normally been so warm and fuzzy and the opposite of hard-hitting (e.g. little in-depth coverage of the C50 fallout), that it seemed painfully obvious to many readers that the Mike diatribe piece was put forth to allow Mike to spew his agenda (with ZERO follow-up questions), and the weird piece about Brian's tour (calling him "brain damaged" and suggesting that only "on occasion" he actually joins in with his band) was written without the tact you'd expect from even the newest and greenest of Beach Boys fans, let alone the editor of the only Beach Boys fanzine. Both pieces, in my opinion, had a clear and painfully obvious agenda, and the fact that ESQ in the past has rarely or never covered fractious events in the BB universe while these two articles, penned by its editor, respectively pushed Mike's agenda and insulted Brian (and basic journalistic tenets) were part of the aspects that made the whole ordeal more off-putting.

Prior to these 2015 articles, my recollection is that Mr. Beard and ESQ were celebrated on this board. Perhaps not as often-discussed as one would think the only ongoing fanzine for the band would be, but I think that had more to do with the light, hands-off nature of the magazine (and also the off-topic stuff like the now-infamous "Bamboo Trading Company" issue that had nothing to do with the BBs). If anything, I've always felt the non-partisan, apolitical, "fanzine" approach of ESQ which has failed to be particular critical of anything the band has done individually or collectively (were there any editorials or think-pieces back in 1998 simply delving into whether Mike should use the BB name, or breakdowns of the 2004 "Smile" lawsuits or BRI/Jardine 1999/2000 lawsuits?) has usually gone largely without criticism over the years on this board.

I'm all for moving on and not dwelling on a couple of nasty articles, especially items posted on the "Examiner" website of all places. But I just wanted to raise the history involved with all of this. Nobody should be particularly incredulous as to where the *very recent* issues with Mr. Beard's writing comes from. It was and is a credibility issue; I for one was super bummed when those articles hit. ESQ has been innocuous and PR-friendly at absolute worst in the past (and has had some great scholarly/archival types of articles as well), so it was really a bummer (and SUPER OBVIOUS, to me anyway) what was going on with those 2015 Examiner articles.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 29, 2016, 07:44:30 AM
There was never an agenda.  It isn't fair to The Beach Boys' legacy, or to Mike Love, to suggest that my error in judgement in writing the article on Examiner that used a poorly worded term (which was changed) was due to being hired to design and write a tour program.

After the Examiner article appeared I reached out to Melinda and Brian apologized.  Melinda responded in kind, and we moved on. 

Again, it was my decision to write the article.  It is a mistake that I deeply regret.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 29, 2016, 07:54:07 AM
The club Kokomo koolaid will do that to a man. :hat


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 29, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
Since a dialogue is open on these issues, I'd like to add some comments about these first.

David, the issue was not strictly with your one Examiner piece about Brian Wilson playing live. As HeyJude's post described, there was a series of your pieces that did seem to be written from a specific perspective that readers picked up on and which caused something of a backlash. There was one which was headlined as a review of the new Brian Wilson single, and there seemed to be more of a focus on Mike Love than Brian, and Mike had nothing current or specific to do with that single release at all, any more than Brian would be a relative topic for a review of Mike's 2015 Christmas single release, apart from the usual mentions as seen in every article about the Beach Boys. Then there was the "Mike Sets The Record Straight" type of Examiner article, and that also got some readers to question what was going on.

Yes, it is about the music, but there were more than one of these occurrences that raised a few eyebrows and raised some blood pressures due to the content of the articles, and especially when the headline/byline was about a new Brian Wilson single, album, etc. Something seemed "off" about the whole thing, from the timing to the content to the source. It felt like there was something which was different from the previous ESQ style and focus, granted it was a separate entity but your name as the editor of ESQ was on the articles and responsible for the content. When the comments started coming in, I recall Lee made a statement here about the views in Examiner not being those of ESQ or something similar, and at that point the criticisms must have become more than just fans blowing off steam.

If I could be diplomatic about it, none of it seemed to fit, and a number of fans who read all of it did notice something different in the tone of those columns, and wanted to know what was going on. The reactions to those comments definitely didn't help ease tensions or address the questions, and those comments have since been edited or removed from this site, along with some of the original text from the articles themselves.

Let me say I'm not trying to fan old flames, but it feels like some of the issues are still unresolved and some of the questions - for some fans - still feel like they are lingering, because it did feel like something out of character and out of left field to see a succession of articles written that way. It didn't make sense.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 29, 2016, 08:24:31 AM
The club Kokomo koolaid will do that to a man. :hat

 :lol   Not to mention the immediate need to shower off the scum after the one and only visit to The Vibe Room.  :tm


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: HeyJude on June 29, 2016, 08:25:46 AM
There was never an agenda.  It isn't fair to The Beach Boys' legacy, or to Mike Love, to suggest that my error in judgement in writing the article on Examiner that used a poorly worded term (which was changed) was due to being hired to design and write a tour program.

I can only add two additional thoughts:

I don't see any direct link between doing a tour program and the writing of those articles, and my issues with those articles last year have nothing to do with tour programs. Would Mike be more amendable to having someone who is sympathetic and uncritical of him to write his tour program? Undoubtedly, but I obviously can't say that the tour program and those Examiner articles from last year have anything to do with each other. The issues I and others had with those articles had nothing to do with tour programs. I'd venture to guess some of those who found those articles last year distasteful have no idea who put together Mike's tour programs.  

Also, questioning the tour program gig vis-à-vis those Examiner articles wouldn't be unfair to the band's legacy or Mike's legacy. Such an accusation, however true or untrue, would be a repudiation/criticism of the author of the articles.

I'm not a fan of attempting to say if an article (or the motives for writing the article) is questioned, then anyone questioning it is somehow insulting or being unfair to the band or its members. To me, that's hiding behind the band and its members.

If I write something about the band that people disagree with, and/or if someone questions my motives for writing whatever I wrote, I don't suggest those critics are actually being unfair to the band.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 29, 2016, 08:43:29 AM
Which question? The ones asking about me posting about buying a beer at upcoming concerts affecting my ability to moderate a fan forum? Whether I had accepted or was accepting gifts or other forms of payment for moderating forums?

I was one of those who referred to either or both these issues (don't think I was the only one, but hey…)

The ref to you having a drink with OSD at a gig was triggered by the fact that quite a few folks had, at the time, been calling for him/her to be banned for constantly trolling negative posts about Mike Love, to the point of distraction. As you seemed to be a pal of his/hers, then it's an obvious question to ask – why was no action seen to be taken against a troll who was also, apparently, a mate of a mod? Were their actions tolerated because of a personal friendship? I think you answered that at the time, and I understand that an anti-trolling rule has since been introduced. Surely that was the end of it? I cannot believe that you've raked up such a toxic topic again, unless you've something to get of your chest with regard to it.

It was also me that asked whether you were receiving any payments, gifts or benefit in relation to your position as Super Mod at the BW board. I was curious to know whether your position there might influence the way in which you moderated any posts on this board which might be seen as pro- or anti-Mike, or pro- or anti-Brian. You also answered that at the time and assured us that you receive no payments, gifts or benefit and that your position as moderator here was not influenced by your position there in any way. Surely that was the end of it? I cannot believe that you've raked up such a toxic topic again, unless you've something to get of your chest with regard to it.

It's nothing more than looking for an assurance that everything is above board and that everyone is treated equally.  I asked, and was answered. It didn't need raking up again.

It looks like there will be multiple topics crossing in the replies, but it's the Sandbox, so that's what it's here for!

John, you said it yourself in the first line you wrote. You were one of those who brought it up, and as you said, I answered directly all of the points you raised. That was the extent of the issue in terms of what you asked and what I answered. But there are still people bringing it up, and separate from you, it is still an issue at least among those who continued to reference it, including the admin of the new board. I guess Dr Beach Boy missed or ignored our earlier exchanges.

The issue I had in mind was how this somehow became an issue and has been a topic which had spread to at least two other forums, Hoffman and BBB that I know of, and who knows how many other social media and maybe some mentions of "drinking buddies" on the PS forum, I don't know how much if anything has come up on those.

For one, as I think you even said, a concert is a place where any number of fans are in the same place for the same purpose at the same time. What got spun by some into the phrase 'drinking buddies' started out as a joke about buying a beer at a hypothetical show sometime in the future into challenging something I did or didn't do relative to moderating this or any other board. It was bullshit on so many levels, and i think we agreed based on your previous replies that it wasn't and shouldn't have been an issue.

Yet thanks to some, that is a narrative that is still believed by who knows how many fans, whether it's relative, whether it means anything at all, or whether it's even true or false.

So my asking about this new forum is challenged as "none of your business", yet all of the crap that is still being believed if not propagated on other forums about drinking buddies and the like is still an issue or is still believed and repeated across these forums?

John, how far does this go? Maybe if there are fans still lingering on whatever issues of moderating and concert activity and gifts seem to be hung around my neck, should we open the doors even further and ask the same of everyone involved in these fan forums and websites? From Andrew Doe, to Val, to Dr Beach Boy and the team of Super Moderators on the PS forum, to David Beard, to Lee, to the whole roster of individuals whose names are on these things?

Maybe we should. I answered your questions, and between us that was resolved. But there are still the same issues lingering and some people who must not have read our exchanges here which I think we both assumed had settled those issues.





Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 29, 2016, 09:10:48 AM
Not so much "resolved" as "moved on from". These were just two of the issues that have made me feel far from comfortable posting here, especially as on one occasion I was warned that I'd crossed a line (or similar). When so many others here were regularly crossing lines with apparent impunity, it became obvious that some here were favoured more than others. One reason why so many questions arose over various bannings and the disappearance of various popular posters. I clearly wasn't the only one who felt that way, which is why the Pet Sounds Forum grew so popular so quickly. THAT, for me, helped resolve the issue.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 29, 2016, 09:12:54 AM
OSD and I have nothing to do with the PSF's creation.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 29, 2016, 09:34:07 AM
Not so much "resolved" as "moved on from". These were just two of the issues that have made me feel far from comfortable posting here, especially as on one occasion I was warned that I'd crossed a line (or similar). When so many others here were regularly crossing lines with apparent impunity, it became obvious that some here were favoured more than others. One reason why so many questions arose over various bannings and the disappearance of various popular posters. I clearly wasn't the only one who felt that way, which is why the Pet Sounds Forum grew so popular so quickly. THAT, for me, helped resolve the issue.

Does the appearance that some here were favored more than others and the notion that others here were regularly crossing lines apply to Andrew Doe and others as well? If we're going to be rehashing old issues, consider there was a three strikes rule well before I became a mod here that some have suggested was stretched to accommodate various "popular" posters, and which some who supported those banned have even said should be considered differently depending on who the poster might be.

If you agree, then your statement above is too one-sided. You're simply not seeing what had been going on for years, or not accepting what was going on in order to put the blame yet again on whatever and whoever you wish you become the scapegoat and the narrative. So the PS forum comes along and that was the resolution? Does it matter to you at all what the multiple infractions were that led to those "popular posters" being banned, or is it a case of you objecting to the rules when the existing rules were applied to people you liked or thought were too popular or valuable to be subject to a ban? "Too big to fail", perhaps?

Talk about favoring posters: Let's talk going back a decade and really get the facts out there if this is still an issue. 

So in those cases, John, some people dodged the rules here in not only that way, but also in a way that effectively hid the infractions and violations in private messages so no one would know unless they were reported by the recipients. If they are popular or valuable according to your opinion of them, then I suppose the mods should have looked the other way because of who it was?



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 29, 2016, 09:53:06 AM
I'm not even going to re-read that in an attempt to make sense of it, Craig.

In fact, such paranoid, conspiracy theory diatribes in which you refuse to accept even an ounce of what has been offered by various posters is another source of my personal discomfort. Everything's a campaign. Poor Billy's going through the mill and you're dredging up sh*t that the rest of the world is done with.

"Look on my works, you mighty, and despair!"

Heard that so many times here in recent months. And in despair.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 29, 2016, 10:05:55 AM
I'm not even going to re-read that in an attempt to make sense of it, Craig.

In fact, such paranoid, conspiracy theory diatribes in which you refuse to accept even an ounce of what has been offered by various posters is another source of my personal discomfort. Everything's a campaign. Poor Billy's going through the mill and you're dredging up sh*t that the rest of the world is done with.

"Look on my works, you mighty, and despair!"

Heard that so many times here in recent months. And in despair.

Oh, please, John. Get off the paranoia tactic and address the issues you've rehashed. It is as clear as can be, whether you're able to comprehend it or not. Not paranoid, not a conspiracy theory, but simply the way things happened here for years. There were people here who stretched and bent the rules for years, and then other posters suggested the rules be applied differently because of the status, or maybe even the popularity of those breaking and bending the rules. Some of the same posters who were the loudest voices calling for the rules to be followed and bans to be issued were themselves breaking board rules and dodging them for years.

That's a fact, whether you want to accept it as such, or instead do like others seem to be doing and accuse me and anyone who addresses it as paranoid when it contradicts what you want to believe and continue to repeat.





Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 29, 2016, 11:12:24 AM
OSD and I have nothing to do with the PSF's creation.

I thought you were paying the bills!

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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 29, 2016, 11:17:10 AM
Which question? The ones asking about me posting about buying a beer at upcoming concerts affecting my ability to moderate a fan forum? Whether I had accepted or was accepting gifts or other forms of payment for moderating forums?

I was one of those who referred to either or both these issues (don't think I was the only one, but hey…)

The ref to you having a drink with OSD at a gig was triggered by the fact that quite a few folks had, at the time, been calling for him/her to be banned for constantly trolling negative posts about Mike Love, to the point of distraction. As you seemed to be a pal of his/hers, then it's an obvious question to ask – why was no action seen to be taken against a troll who was also, apparently, a mate of a mod? Were their actions tolerated because of a personal friendship? I think you answered that at the time, and I understand that an anti-trolling rule has since been introduced. Surely that was the end of it? I cannot believe that you've raked up such a toxic topic again, unless you've something to get of your chest with regard to it.

It was also me that asked whether you were receiving any payments, gifts or benefit in relation to your position as Super Mod at the BW board. I was curious to know whether your position there might influence the way in which you moderated any posts on this board which might be seen as pro- or anti-Mike, or pro- or anti-Brian. You also answered that at the time and assured us that you receive no payments, gifts or benefit and that your position as moderator here was not influenced by your position there in any way. Surely that was the end of it? I cannot believe that you've raked up such a toxic topic again, unless you've something to get of your chest with regard to it.

It's nothing more than looking for an assurance that everything is above board and that everyone is treated equally.  I asked, and was answered. It didn't need raking up again.

Such pure bullshit from someone who wasn't there. Jesus Christ, man, get off this GF and I were/are drinking buddies crapola and I'm somehow *favored*. Were you there?? Seems like you dredge up your misguided information, as screwed up as it usually is, from good old hearsay, not facts. At least when I rattle off an opinion about myKe luHv, there's a fairly good chance there's reason enough to support it because let's face it, he's a well known douchebag. So let me get this straight, I am introduced to GF at a Brian Wilson concert, I am offered a beer by someone who is there with us outside, and all of a sudden, we're as thick as thieves and a lifetime brotherhood is hatched? In a very small window of time, he assures me that I've got the green light to do, say and post to my heart's delight without fear of getting banhammered? Sure! Are you with me, Sir John? How many drinks have we had since that night in 2015? Zero. Do we email, text, write letters, PM or talk on the phone? No, but I sincerely enjoyed meeting him and certainly appeared to be someone who's company I would enjoy.
By the way, genius, it is not a capitol offense nor against board rules to be friends with a particular mod.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on June 29, 2016, 11:19:07 AM
OSD and I have nothing to do with the PSF's creation.

Actually I suspect you were a fabulous inspiration!

I'm not even going to re-read that in an attempt to make sense of it, Craig.

In fact, such paranoid, conspiracy theory diatribes in which you refuse to accept even an ounce of what has been offered by various posters is another source of my personal discomfort. Everything's a campaign. Poor Billy's going through the mill and you're dredging up sh*t that the rest of the world is done with.

"Look on my works, you mighty, and despair!"

Heard that so many times here in recent months. And in despair.

Oh, please, John. Get off the paranoia tactic and address the issues you've rehashed. It is as clear as can be, whether you're able to comprehend it or not. Not paranoid, not a conspiracy theory, but simply the way things happened here for years. There were people here who stretched and bent the rules for years, and then other posters suggested the rules be applied differently because of the status, or maybe even the popularity of those breaking and bending the rules. Some of the same posters who were the loudest voices calling for the rules to be followed and bans to be issued were themselves breaking board rules and dodging them for years.

That's a fact, whether you want to accept it as such, or instead do like others seem to be doing and accuse me and anyone who addresses it as paranoid when it contradicts what you want to believe and continue to repeat.

That patronising, supercilious tone is another turn-off from this board.

That and your challenging "I can do no wrong" approach.

What was going on in PMs and out of sight of us mere mortal posters doesn't concern me so much as the way you've changed the mood here. I used to regard this place as an online home - and I'll still drop by from time to time to say "hi" to the folks - but it ain't the place I knew and loved.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on June 29, 2016, 03:59:31 PM
Regarding David Beard: I can't think of many of us, including anyone commenting on him in this thread and me, who have done even a tenth of what he and Lee Dempsey together and separately have done for the Beach Boys and the Beach Boys community.  And I know from decades of observation, that they are both bona fide admirers and respecters of Brian and all the Boys.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ESQ Editor on June 29, 2016, 05:03:50 PM
Regarding David Beard: I can't think of many of us, including anyone commenting on him in this thread and me, who have done even a tenth of what he and Lee Dempsey together and separately have done for the Beach Boys and the Beach Boys community.  And I know from decades of observation, that they are both bona fide admirers and respecters of Brian and all the Boys.

Thank you Cam.

Examiner:

http://www.examiner.com/article/brian-wilson-thankful-to-fans-for-their-love

http://www.examiner.com/article/brian-wilson-brings-love-mercy-and-hope

http://www.examiner.com/article/examiner-exclusive-mark-linett-discusses-brian-wilson-s-1988-solo-album

http://www.examiner.com/article/brian-wilson-is-the-critic-s-choice




Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on June 29, 2016, 05:55:17 PM
OSD and I have nothing to do with the PSF's creation.

Actually I suspect you were a fabulous inspiration!

I'm not even going to re-read that in an attempt to make sense of it, Craig.

In fact, such paranoid, conspiracy theory diatribes in which you refuse to accept even an ounce of what has been offered by various posters is another source of my personal discomfort. Everything's a campaign. Poor Billy's going through the mill and you're dredging up sh*t that the rest of the world is done with.

"Look on my works, you mighty, and despair!"

Heard that so many times here in recent months. And in despair.

Oh, please, John. Get off the paranoia tactic and address the issues you've rehashed. It is as clear as can be, whether you're able to comprehend it or not. Not paranoid, not a conspiracy theory, but simply the way things happened here for years. There were people here who stretched and bent the rules for years, and then other posters suggested the rules be applied differently because of the status, or maybe even the popularity of those breaking and bending the rules. Some of the same posters who were the loudest voices calling for the rules to be followed and bans to be issued were themselves breaking board rules and dodging them for years.

That's a fact, whether you want to accept it as such, or instead do like others seem to be doing and accuse me and anyone who addresses it as paranoid when it contradicts what you want to believe and continue to repeat.

That patronising, supercilious tone is another turn-off from this board.

That and your challenging "I can do no wrong" approach.

What was going on in PMs and out of sight of us mere mortal posters doesn't concern me so much as the way you've changed the mood here. I used to regard this place as an online home - and I'll still drop by from time to time to say "hi" to the folks - but it ain't the place I knew and loved.


John, with all due respect, this place was toxic long before Craig.  Simply begging/cajoling/bullying Craig to step down will not solve the problems  as they existed for several years.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on June 29, 2016, 07:54:23 PM
This place had issues years before I even signed on as a mod, and one of them was people like Andrew Doe and others thinking they were above the rules and acting as such. That became crystal clear to me when I did become a moderator. I could say more because there is a heap of sh*t that very few know about, and (no, John...) it's not paranoia but the reality of the kind of crap that actually happened behind the scenes and off the board, although it did on occasion show up in public posts if anyone knew what they were reading.

It was the undercurrent here that is now apparently not supposed to be part of the discussion here, because for f***'s sake everyone knows I am the one to blame for everything bad. Right, John and others? Maybe you don't want anyone to know what actually happened, so I'm not only the scapegoat but also the paranoid conspiracy theorist loon who is making up all this stuff?

I don't lie. Some prominent others cannot say the same.

Meanwhile, for years people were slandered, lied about, and yes - agendas were pushed - and the majority of it was done with private messages, hidden from view and protected by "the rules". Not just band members and their family members were being torn down and lied about, but other posters here too. David Beard was one of them, along with anyone that ran afoul of who those who thought they were running the board and would influence decisions if they bitched and moaned loud enough...or people who had to be scrubbed off the board entirely because some didn't like what they said or how they posted.

And would you believe there were attempts to do background checks on board members, to find out personal info and contact info on these "undesirables" by asking around and in one guy's case, contacting the moderators asking for personal info?

I have two words to say to that kind of thing, and they're the same two words I had when some of this went down. f*** that.

That's not how this board runs, nor should it be run. And the nerve of people now to say I caused the board to turn to sh*t, after seeing the behavior that I saw after becoming a moderator? No way will that stand, and as far as lies and liars, some of the key players on the new board that is supposed to be the great elixir for all the diseases that crippled this forum have been shown for what they are as recent as a few days ago in this discussion. There is either the truth, or there is a lie. And in some of these cases, people apparently just make sh*t up to fit whatever they need.

And I'm the one called paranoid? Nope, that doesn't work anymore. Find another tactic or "campaign" to wage.

Or continue to go to the board where no one can give a straight answer, the admin openly lies here and says the truth doesn't matter as long as he believes otherwise, and the named ownership of the board's domain is assigned to a proxy domain company.

Have a ball.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on June 29, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Quote
And would you believe there were attempts to do background checks on board members, to find out personal info and contact info on these "undesirables" by asking around and in one guy's case, contacting the moderators asking for personal info?

As the recipient of one of those messages, I can personally vouch for it. I did not provide any info, either.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 01, 2016, 09:25:10 AM
Just spent some time (can I get it back ???) over there. Talk about political correctness and walking on eggshells! B O R I N G, B O R I N G waste of time place that needs a good shot of adrenaline, not vanilla. Kind of similar to visiting a cemetery with no one having much to say about anything of interest and just a rehash of the same old same old. I'd say that they could end up just having to invent ways to keep people from falling asleep over there unless it's a real powder keg waiting to blow up. I'd think that myKe luHv's book will be the true test and will, perhaps, light a fire under their collective asses. But, if Mother Beachboy and his band of moderators
with 4 real authentic stars wants it that way well, oh well.  ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: John Manning on July 02, 2016, 03:17:05 PM
Such pure bullshit from someone who wasn't there. Jesus Christ, man, get off this GF and I were/are drinking buddies crapola and I'm somehow *favored*.

Sorry OSD, but it was Craig who dredged it back up, not I. Turn your venom on him.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Mr Big on July 02, 2016, 06:04:19 PM
(didn't know how to delete this comment so just edited it)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 02, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
I've just been browsing that forum out of curiosity and have seen some very suspicious characters that seem quite racist...


Not surprising. as the people you are referring to were the same way here, if we're thinking of the same folks.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: sockittome on July 03, 2016, 09:48:17 AM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Mr Big on July 08, 2016, 06:15:00 AM
I've just been browsing that forum out of curiosity and have seen some very suspicious characters that seem quite racist...

Nice try, Mr. Big, but the only suspicious character I've seen over there is somebody with your screen name introducing "herself" and actually sounding polite and genuine.

You're not going to try to play one board against the other, I hope... >:(
Yeah, I'm won't trying to play boards against each other, so many people on this thread had their opinions on the thread- I just happened to make a comment on what I saw, perhaps prematurely, but (because I discovered that forum on here). My comment unintentionally implied that many on that board were racist etc and that's not the case. Most are seemingly nice.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: sockittome on July 08, 2016, 05:14:25 PM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 08, 2016, 05:16:55 PM
Not trying to speak for him, but I took it as people who were banned from *here* for things like that are registered over *there*.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: sockittome on July 08, 2016, 10:35:43 PM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Mr Big on July 12, 2016, 12:54:37 PM
As I said I'm really not trying to stir sh*t up, there was a political discussion and obviously everyone is going to have different opinions - I just saw something that was triggering and reminded me of things I heard from racists I knew before. I'm not a him or it, just a girl who chose a silly username (sex and the city character).  To be honest I regret making the first comment - that forum is generally quite friendly and nice and I shouldn't of said something like that. Associate/interact with forum members as you wish - don't let my comment effect you: As I said I'm not a sh*t stirrer, I enjoy the forum, and wrongly/presumptuously made a comment. Apologies if I caused offence or annoyance to anyone, I'm going to delete that comment.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on July 14, 2016, 04:31:43 AM
[Deleted, to avoid further misunderstanding. And a lesson learnt.]   


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 14, 2016, 05:22:30 PM
I'm sure it's nice place generally, but don't you think it'd be nice if newbies just said "Hello, my name is... I've been BBs fan since... My brother (sister, parents) passed me their collection... I really appreciated it. Flash fwd, I'm at school (college, university). My tastes changed & I forgot the BBs... ...Then I went to my 1st BBs concert & got to meet backstage & chat for a bit with [name of the BB/Brian Wilson band member]. My favorite song is... Favorite album... Look forward to talking with other BBs fans :)"? They might say that at Smiley they were so-and-so, if they changed their username/avatar at PS. No bitterness to speak of, just usual friendly introduction.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on July 15, 2016, 02:09:34 PM
I'm sure it's nice place generally, but don't you think it'd be nice if newbies just said "Hello, my name is... I've been BBs fan since... My brother (sister, parents) passed me their collection... I really appreciated it. Flash fwd, I'm at school (college, university). My tastes changed & I forgot the BBs... ...Then I went to my 1st BBs concert & got to meet backstage & chat for a bit with [name of the BB/Brian Wilson band member]. My favorite song is... Favorite album... Look forward to talking with other BBs fans :)"? They might say that at Smiley they were so-and-so, if they changed their username/avatar at PS. No bitterness to speak of, just usual friendly introduction.

Yes indeed. I rather think a topic title like "Why are you here?", although presumably well-meant, encourages some (but by no means all!) newcomers to slip in something negative.

As for me, I used to look in regularly at PSF but I find I'm spending less and less time browsing it (I believe that's called "moving on")...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on July 15, 2016, 11:02:38 PM
I'm sure it's nice place generally, but don't you think it'd be nice if newbies just said "Hello, my name is... I've been BBs fan since... My brother (sister, parents) passed me their collection... I really appreciated it. Flash fwd, I'm at school (college, university). My tastes changed & I forgot the BBs... ...Then I went to my 1st BBs concert & got to meet backstage & chat for a bit with [name of the BB/Brian Wilson band member]. My favorite song is... Favorite album... Look forward to talking with other BBs fans :)"? They might say that at Smiley they were so-and-so, if they changed their username/avatar at PS. No bitterness to speak of, just usual friendly introduction.

Yes indeed. I rather think a topic title like "Why are you here?", although presumably well-meant, encourages some (but by no means all!) newcomers to slip in something negative.



I would say tbe way that thread title was phrased was deliberately calculated to generate negative answers about Smiley.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Cam Mott on July 16, 2016, 05:13:54 AM
Actually the title is very specifically asked of and directed to those who did NOT "migrate" from Smiley.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: sockittome on July 16, 2016, 08:08:51 AM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 16, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
I think the thread title is simply a thread title, simple as that.  Had there been any negative intent behind it there would have been more to it.

Some posters are going to perceive it as an axe-grinding opportunity, and I guess that's just how some people are. I really don't believe that behavior is being encouraged over there.
Including you? Actually, everybody is right - who said the title is calculated & those who said it's posters.The OP knew some people were there from Smiley & would say sth., anything about it. But he isn't responsible for their say, they could've either shut up about Smiley or move on & get busy at new forum. Simple as that.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 16, 2016, 08:41:41 AM
Looks like the gloves are off "over yonder". It has begun. Didn't take long.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 16, 2016, 06:25:37 PM
Looks like the gloves are off "over yonder". It has begun. Didn't take long.


What thread?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 16, 2016, 09:13:13 PM
Looks like the gloves are off "over yonder". It has begun. Didn't take long.


What thread?

WAYH?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on July 17, 2016, 12:34:50 AM
Meh.  Just the same old "waaaaahhhhhh, Smiley suxxx cos we can't say solo bryyyyyunnnn suxxxx" crap.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 17, 2016, 01:25:02 AM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on July 17, 2016, 05:26:34 AM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!
No, they did not.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on July 17, 2016, 10:43:29 AM
Looks to me like the two boards are well on the way to peacefully co-existing together.

I remember when I and others left the Capitol Board there was an element of grumbling for a while but it didn't last long. All a matter of time.

Actually, I have a topic devoted to PSF alongside one for Smiley at "my" other board where I occasionally share news or link interesting threads...     


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 17, 2016, 01:25:41 PM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!
No, they did not.


Joethomasisgod did.

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I've been banned on Smiley Smile stating my dissatisfaction with No Pier Pressure, joking that Landy was better for Brian's career than Joe Thomas (musically, I stand by this) and insulting their best friend, the evil Rocky Pamplin.  Needless to say, their moderators are something of an intellectual sub-species.

Intellectual sub species? This guy can go f*** off and die. I wish I knew who it was, so I could point out exactly why he was banned, though.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 17, 2016, 01:31:02 PM
I swear it's that banned asshole Paul TMA. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1869


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 17, 2016, 01:47:28 PM
I swear it's that banned asshole Paul TMA. http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1869

Oh, the guy who said he'd love it if Joe Thomas committed suicide. Makes sense.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 17, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Exactly.....


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on July 18, 2016, 09:36:33 AM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!
No, they did not.


Joethomasisgod did.


One person is not THEY. And one person does not speak for the whole board. And we have asked our members not to say disparaging remarks about individual members/moderators from this board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on July 18, 2016, 10:36:06 AM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!
No, they did not.


Joethomasisgod did.


One person is not THEY. And one person does not speak for the whole board. And we have asked our members not to say disparaging remarks about individual members/moderators from this board.

Fair enough. Tompromisedroad also piled on, but that was a different thing (not about Rocky).


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 18, 2016, 01:43:22 PM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!
No, they did not.


Joethomasisgod did.


One person is not THEY. And one person does not speak for the whole board. And we have asked our members not to say disparaging remarks about individual members/moderators from this board.
Touchy much? :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on July 18, 2016, 01:58:47 PM
Did they really imply that we were sticking up for Rocky Pamplin? Hell, I'm the one who banned him!
No, they did not.


Joethomasisgod did.


One person is not THEY. And one person does not speak for the whole board. And we have asked our members not to say disparaging remarks about individual members/moderators from this board.
Touchy much? :lol

Why make that remark, S-B? Utterly pointless, especially when things might (MIGHT) just be calming down between the two boards. It's about time.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 18, 2016, 02:09:27 PM
No doester, no peace seems to be their motto of trolls on PSF.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 18, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
No offense to good guys like yourself and other online vets


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: halblaineisgood on August 16, 2016, 03:56:32 PM
What is up with those Rorschach inkblots "which is right way up" captcha?? I lost my PW and it's asking me which is the "right way up" . What the f*** does that mean? 



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on August 16, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
The AAAAAgeeeedeeester at it again over at the PS. See him, all of him, demanding that there never be nothing equivalent to the Sandbox on that site. "...lest it decent into a hell pit of venom, bile, fuckwits, and shitweasels." Funny, but that's what that snoozefest needs. Hey did anyone see the Dirkster with his "star" awards ceremony over there??  ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on August 17, 2016, 04:08:49 AM
Leave them alone, OSD. New boards take time to develop.

I'd rather concentrate on halblaineisgood's question----most intriguing! ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on August 17, 2016, 06:34:05 AM
Hey did anyone see the Dirkster with his "star" awards ceremony over there??  ::) ::) ::)
Hey yeah, I saw that over there.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on August 17, 2016, 07:51:15 AM
Hey did anyone see the Dirkster with his "star" awards ceremony over there??  ::) ::) ::)
Hey yeah, I saw that over there.

The only thing missing was an insane myKe luHv type awards ceremony rant.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on August 17, 2016, 08:05:41 AM
 :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: drbeachboy on August 17, 2016, 09:31:42 AM
Hey did anyone see the Dirkster with his "star" awards ceremony over there??  ::) ::) ::)
Hey yeah, I saw that over there.

The only thing missing was an insane myKe luHv type awards ceremony rant.
Coming this October with you as the Presenter.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on August 17, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
What is up with those Rorschach inkblots "which is right way up" captcha?? I lost my PW and it's asking me which is the "right way up" . What the f*** does that mean? 

If I understand you correctly, it's the same thing I saw there when I tried to search for something I'd seen and then misplaced.

It's a simple exercise just to make sure you're a human being and not some random bot.   


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: halblaineisgood on August 18, 2016, 07:23:45 AM
What is up with those Rorschach inkblots "which is right way up" captcha?? I lost my PW and it's asking me which is the "right way up" . What the f*** does that mean? 

If I understand you correctly, it's the same thing I saw there when I tried to search for something I'd seen and then misplaced.

It's a simple exercise just to make sure you're a human being and not some random bot.   
Usually you just copy down numbers or something.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on August 18, 2016, 12:07:19 PM
What is up with those Rorschach inkblots "which is right way up" captcha?? I lost my PW and it's asking me which is the "right way up" . What the f*** does that mean? 

If I understand you correctly, it's the same thing I saw there when I tried to search for something I'd seen and then misplaced.

It's a simple exercise just to make sure you're a human being and not some random bot.   
Usually you just copy down numbers or something.

Yeah. It's new to me too. And I was surprised and delighted to find that I'd got my particular "Rorschach inkblot" the right way up! It didn't do me any good though----non-members evidently aren't allowed to use the search function...     


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: halblaineisgood on August 18, 2016, 11:49:02 PM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on August 20, 2016, 02:06:47 AM
Their Shoutbox is a hoot.  :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: halblaineisgood on September 04, 2016, 01:47:08 PM
(https://s22.postimg.io/xo6piq10h/WHY.jpg)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 04, 2016, 02:12:11 PM
Huh?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 04, 2016, 02:14:26 PM
Hal is on the SMiLE plane.... ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on September 04, 2016, 06:05:39 PM
Looks like a post Runnersdialzero would make.  :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on September 05, 2016, 03:01:50 AM
Hal once complained that he'd forgotten his password at PS and had to turn some image the right way up to prove he was human. This didn't work for some reason. This latest post is his comment on that situation. It explains the word "Wrong" scrawled in mirror image near the bottom. Hal moves in mysterious ways!   


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: undercover-m on September 08, 2016, 06:12:48 PM
What a chat that's going on in the shoutbox right now. Apparently we're real into puns on there.

I find myself being the only one posting in the "What are you listening to now" thread over there... show that topic some love, fellow PS'ers!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 08, 2016, 06:22:11 PM
What a chat that's going on in the shoutbox right now. Apparently we're real into puns on there.

I find myself being the only one posting in the "What are you listening to now" thread over there... show that topic some love, fellow PS'ers!

You're posting this on the wrong board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on September 08, 2016, 06:32:34 PM
I agree, that's like me posting in their forum "Hey, my dear friends! get back here to post in Sunshine playlist thread, show that topic some respect, fellow Smiley Smilers". :police:


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: undercover-m on September 08, 2016, 06:52:45 PM
and I will continue to visit all sites as I darn well wish
:P


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on September 08, 2016, 06:57:59 PM
Aaaaaaand, did anybody say "get outta here"? Your request was to PS members about PS thread. Your posting it here, in Smiley Smile board doesn't make sense.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on September 09, 2016, 02:53:37 AM
Maybe I'm naive----and with no offence meant to anyone----but I think friendly inter-forum banter is a positive thing.

It's better than hurling insults (and the occasional dead sheep) at each other from our respective ramparts.

As I say, maybe I'm just naive...

 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: the captain on September 09, 2016, 05:09:43 PM
Maybe I'm naive----and with no offence meant to anyone----but I think friendly inter-forum banter is a positive thing.

It's better than hurling insults (and the occasional dead sheep) at each other from our respective ramparts.

As I say, maybe I'm just naive...

 
You're just an intelligent human being who can put the silliness of it all into perspective. Pop band. Message boards.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: stack-o-tracks on September 10, 2016, 07:16:24 PM
Aaaaaaand, did anybody say "get outta here"? Your request was to PS members about PS thread. Your posting it here, in Smiley Smile board doesn't make sense.


It's a pretty blatant (and sad) attempt at getting the people here to check out the new "taking my ball and going home" forum....




Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 12:29:25 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 12:33:10 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 01:04:25 PM
I am a founding father of bandom with OSD and Andy Botwin! ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 01:10:31 PM
Sounds like they want a board war. See, if I was like that I'd create a fake account and register than and post the PMs there. I'm not like that, though


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on September 11, 2016, 01:16:47 PM
I am a founding father of bandom with OSD and Andy Botwin! ;D

Yes! A legacy to be proud of for sure.  :woot


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 11, 2016, 01:26:17 PM
Sounds like they want a board war. See, if I was like that I'd create a fake account and register than and post the PMs there. I'm not like that, though

Nobody wants a board war.  SB asked to be banned for whatever reason.  Can we please stop this petty back and forth stuff?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 01:32:10 PM
I'm ok with that. Just tell alan smith not to be sending threatening pms . If someone wants to be a member of both forums, that's ok.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 11, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
I'm ok with that. Just tell alan smith not to be sending threatening pms . If someone wants to be a member of both forums, that's ok.

I obviously don't know what he said, but yeah this pm stuff needs to stop as well.  For what it's worth I enjoyed the posts SB was making on PSF.  It was a nice change of pace.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: mikeddonn on September 11, 2016, 01:49:39 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2016, 01:52:55 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.

Did you tell the people who were calling me (and Billy) all kinds of names and throwing insults on the PS forum for several months a similar thing, Mike? It works both ways.

I was called quite a few insulting names and had sh*t thrown my way by quite a few of the PS forum members, and I'm not even a member there and have never been a member there. Was that classy in your opinion?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 01:59:14 PM
To answer the Kid's question, I said if that's what I am going to get over here, then ban me."


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 02:04:37 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.

When someone gets a message saying they "will come looking for you ", is that classy? Or is it not offensive to you  because it's us? Considering the "mega-mod" there once threatened to burn one (admittedly annoying) member's house down and telling me that if one of the other members where to disappear since he knows where she lives, well...it explains a lot, actually. As I said before, I don't care if people post at both boards. I do have an issue with lying and hypocrisy.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 02:05:06 PM
Already banned from there so here it goes:(https://s21.postimg.org/w1jqykwsn/image.png) (https://postimg.org/image/ja5ks2n0j/)uploadimage (https://postimage.org/)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 02:05:49 PM
I'm ok with that. Just tell alan smith not to be sending threatening pms . If someone wants to be a member of both forums, that's ok.

I obviously don't know what he said, but yeah this pm stuff needs to stop as well.  For what it's worth I enjoyed the posts SB was making on PSF.  It was a nice change of pace.

For what's it's worth , you are welcome here, and if someone here were to pm you with a threat, they'd have to deal with me.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2016, 02:13:56 PM
It's disgusting to send a PM threat like that, under any circumstance. It's not right to tell anyone "I will come looking for you"...over posts on a band message board? For f***'s sake, what's wrong with those people.

It appears the same bullshit that was happening on this forum to various members who reported PM's that were insulting and trying to drive them off this board moved over there with the same individuals and the same mindset.

If that's OK, if that's agreeable to the general membership, if those running it are OK with members sending threatening messages, I guess the notion of being all about the music flew out the window as did basic decency.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 11, 2016, 02:15:15 PM
Look at nearly everyone who got banned from here in the last three years, and remember the offenses they committed. It makes perfect sense why these people ended up on that board. These people who make "joking" death threats*, address location quests done by a supposed historian, and now this pitiful little threat against SMiLE Brian - all members on that penal colony forum. By the way, Alan, if you use Andrew Doe's "impeccable source" to find where SMiLE Brian lives you may want to rethink that visit.

*I put "joking" in quotes because, though the initial comment was said in jest, it wasn't funny at all. But then again neither is the guy who said it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 11, 2016, 02:20:54 PM
Guitarfool, it's classic bullying. And after the bullying stories I've heard about ex-members here (currently glorified members on that BS board) I'm rethinking even being a part time member of any beach boys forum. Maybe when these guys decide to act like they're not 11 year old kids with a penchant for temper tantrums will these online communities be fun to visit again.

PS, smile Brian, charge your phone ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 02:33:23 PM
I'm ok with that. Just tell alan smith not to be sending threatening pms . If someone wants to be a member of both forums, that's ok.

I obviously don't know what he said, but yeah this pm stuff needs to stop as well.  For what it's worth I enjoyed the posts SB was making on PSF.  It was a nice change of pace.
That's nice to hear, thank you for realizing that! :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: mikeddonn on September 11, 2016, 02:36:24 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.

Did you tell the people who were calling me (and Billy) all kinds of names and throwing insults on the PS forum for several months a similar thing, Mike? It works both ways.

I was called quite a few insulting names and had sh*t thrown my way by quite a few of the PS forum members, and I'm not even a member there and have never been a member there. Was that classy in your opinion?

Insults are never classy.  You've done a pretty good job of trying to stand up for yourself.  I'm doing the same.  Instead of the smoke and mirrors you and Billy should address the issue in my post.

I have never insulted Billy or SMile Brian so I don't appreciate being called a f*cker by one poster and that comment being endorsed by a mod.
 So no, it's not a case of it working both ways.  If you guys have issues with people over there that's up to you.  Just don't insult everyone else.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 02:39:16 PM
For what it's worth, you are not one of the f*ckers. I was a little heated when I posted that.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 02:40:12 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.

Did you tell the people who were calling me (and Billy) all kinds of names and throwing insults on the PS forum for several months a similar thing, Mike? It works both ways.

I was called quite a few insulting names and had sh*t thrown my way by quite a few of the PS forum members, and I'm not even a member there and have never been a member there. Was that classy in your opinion?

Insults are never classy.  You've done a pretty good job of trying to stand up for yourself.  I'm doing the same.  Instead of the smoke and mirrors you and Billy should address the issue in my post.

I have never insulted Billy or SMile Brian so I don't appreciate being called a f*cker by one poster and that comment being endorsed by a mod.
 So no, it's not a case of it working both ways.  If you guys have issues with people over there that's up to you.  Just don't insult everyone else.
Speaking only for myself...I thought I had made it clear but if not I'll reword it. I'm not referring to ALL of the members there, just a certain group. You are not included in that. SB wasn't including you either


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: mikeddonn on September 11, 2016, 03:01:56 PM
Thank you Billy and SB for clearing that up!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 03:10:48 PM
No problem either, you are welcome here anytime you want to post!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 11, 2016, 03:11:21 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.

Did you tell the people who were calling me (and Billy) all kinds of names and throwing insults on the PS forum for several months a similar thing, Mike? It works both ways.

I was called quite a few insulting names and had sh*t thrown my way by quite a few of the PS forum members, and I'm not even a member there and have never been a member there. Was that classy in your opinion?

Insults are never classy.  You've done a pretty good job of trying to stand up for yourself.  I'm doing the same.  Instead of the smoke and mirrors you and Billy should address the issue in my post.

I have never insulted Billy or SMile Brian so I don't appreciate being called a f*cker by one poster and that comment being endorsed by a mod.
 So no, it's not a case of it working both ways.  If you guys have issues with people over there that's up to you.  Just don't insult everyone else.

No smoke and mirrors - What I just saw was exactly the same kind of garbage that was happening underneath the surface on this board for way too long and to too many people (if one person got chased off by a PM like that, it was too many, and more than one did who reported it) until changes were made. And now, yet again, it was put on display for people to see just how hypocritical and how vile some of these former members are when the exact same PM abuse and bullying that was happening here seems to have transferred itself to another forum along with the members themselves.

Mike, it obviously upsets you as it does me that people are being insulted and threatened, perhaps you should make your feelings known to the moderators on the board where this happened, and consider this is only one PM out of how many, or to add to the public insults Billy and I and others received there by certain members in public posts. Insults are not classy, and threatening language like "I will come looking for you" should have a zero tolerance policy across all boards and forums especially when it's directed personally to another member hidden in a PM and copied to the board admin of all things: As a member you should demand action be taken by the mods of the other board too. There is no justification for that behavior.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 11, 2016, 03:23:21 PM
Yeah once I got that message, I knew the drill that that I wasn't welcome over there. Hence asking to be banned from there.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 11, 2016, 04:20:53 PM
Thanks SB and Billy!  :)   Hopefully going forward we can have some peace between the two forums.  That starts with members not making insulting remarks towards others, which I have been guilty of.  Even if they are empty threats, the PMs need to stop as well.  The internet is not as serious as some make it out to be!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 04:33:50 PM
Agreed.  That's why I'm trying so hard to make it clear that my issues aren't with everyone on the board, just a certain clique.  Otherwise,  what does it really matter?  We're all fans of the same band!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on September 11, 2016, 04:35:44 PM
Can I clear up if it's true that Autotune was banned from the board?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 04:54:02 PM
Yes he was...he took another shot at me for the very last time


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on September 11, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Yes he was...he took another shot at me for the very last time

Good move indeed.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: pixletwin on September 11, 2016, 07:38:48 PM
The only thing PSF has on SS.net is its accessibility on tapatalk. Why isn't smiley accessible thru tapatalk?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 11, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Uh...what's a tapatalk?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on September 12, 2016, 12:11:36 AM
Uh...what's a tapatalk?
yeah, what dat?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 12, 2016, 01:08:31 AM

It's a message board app.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 12, 2016, 01:16:06 AM
Ahh...I just realized I could have used some of the Googles to find that out*.

*That was a joke!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on September 12, 2016, 02:18:44 AM
I suggested a long time ago a 'SS' chat window would be a great addition, but I think everyone thought that those 'yahoo chat' days
were gone and that the feature nobody else would be interested in.
 :-\
I did try.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on September 12, 2016, 04:26:07 AM
I suggested a long time ago a 'SS' chat window would be a great addition, but I think everyone thought that those 'yahoo chat' days
were gone and that the feature nobody else would be interested in.
 :-\
I did try.

My other board had a Shoutbox for a while. Unfortunately it was the first thing you saw when you logged on, like a boulder blocking your path. That and the crazy conversations that took place in it kept posters away, so out it went... 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 12, 2016, 04:28:51 AM
Well I did enjoy talking to bringahorseinhere on the PSF in the chat section during my brief stay over there. 8)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on September 12, 2016, 10:05:18 AM
I'm glad at Smiley we don't have this shoutbox thing. Sandbox-shoutbox - like what's the difference? Place for off-topic.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on September 12, 2016, 03:58:44 PM
Already banned from there so here it goes:(https://s21.postimg.org/w1jqykwsn/image.png) (https://postimg.org/image/ja5ks2n0j/)uploadimage (https://postimage.org/)
Wow. Just wow.
I just read some threads there. The amount of venom thrown at us is appalling.
I'm sorry, but I'm never going to be friends with people who despise and hate me just because I am a member here.
I used to be out of all these games, and to believe it's all about the music. Obviously, it's not. There is something very dark going on.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on September 12, 2016, 04:10:53 PM
Tried posting over there and already got a threatening Private message. These f*ckers take after AGD well.

Of course they do. The blind leading the blind.

I'll try not to get offended by the both of you.  I, like many others, post on both boards and have never, and would never stoop so low as to start calling everyone f*ckers.  Billy, you are a mod on this board and should not be encouraging abuse of posters on this board, and joining in.  It lacks class.

When someone gets a message saying they "will come looking for you ", is that classy? Or is it not offensive to you  because it's us? Considering the "mega-mod" there once threatened to burn one (admittedly annoying) member's house down and telling me that if one of the other members where to disappear since he knows where she lives, well...it explains a lot, actually. As I said before, I don't care if people post at both boards. I do have an issue with lying and hypocrisy.
Makes me SO happy of my staunch "never disclose no personal info whatsoever" policy. A couple of close friends know my real name and whereabouts, and that's it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 12, 2016, 09:12:41 PM
(http://i1270.photobucket.com/albums/jj611/Rob_McCabe/2016-09-12%2023.09.54.png) (http://s1270.photobucket.com/user/Rob_McCabe/media/2016-09-12%2023.09.54.png.html)



Um.....


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 12, 2016, 09:45:46 PM
Yup... "You are parents"  and "a an education"   ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on September 13, 2016, 01:52:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cs1BIlglzI


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 13, 2016, 06:28:32 AM
It's the same behavior in general and abuses of the PM system which were seen on this board in the past, same issues and those same actors, under a new roof. Deja vu all over again, as Yogi Berra once said.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on September 13, 2016, 08:00:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cs1BIlglzI

 :lol :lol Sounds far better than Summer In Paradise for sure. With the singing through his nose thing, he must have been heavily influenced by myKe luHv, only this guy is better. :p


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 13, 2016, 05:51:31 PM
And by all appearances, going against the apparent rules, a member is allowed to make a threat against another member with no repercussions on that forum. Pathetic. But there's the choice.

A good example of "efficient" moderation? Right.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 13, 2016, 09:01:10 PM
And by all appearances, going against the apparent rules, a member is allowed to make a threat against another member with no repercussions on that forum. Pathetic. But there's the choice.

A good example of "efficient" moderation? Right.

Seems like a real solid organization over there. Nothing happens to the guy doing the threatening.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q93TOT0.jpg)

And I see that mega-mod Andrew is on his soapbox about Ognir on the PS forum. To the guy making Doe "aware", perhaps let him know that if he's going to make accusations about people it's probably best not let those accusations come from the guy who accused Smile Brian of being Melinda Wilson. Perhaps someone with some credibility left could take the helm on this one.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 13, 2016, 09:06:32 PM
Yeah he's trying to go after Jay because he told me what Andrew was doing, so now he's grasping at straws. Idiot...he should make sure that if he's going to try to slander someone, it's not someone who's a close friend/collaborator  IN REAL LIFE.

Notice how vague the accusations were too? That's how he rolls...take it 'from someone who would know' ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 13, 2016, 09:15:30 PM
Yeah he's trying to go after Jay because he told me what Andrew was doing, so now he's grasping at straws. Idiot...he should make sure that if he's going to try to slander someone, it's not someone who's a close friend/collaborator  IN REAL LIFE.

Notice how vague the accusations were too? That's how he rolls...take it 'from someone who would know' ::)

Ahh, well when the sources are "impeccable" how can you ignore em? ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 13, 2016, 09:17:13 PM
His "source" for much of his crap should be obvious once one looks at which "personnel" changed employers... ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on September 14, 2016, 12:21:23 AM
 >:D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 14, 2016, 12:27:49 AM
And by all appearances, going against the apparent rules, a member is allowed to make a threat against another member with no repercussions on that forum. Pathetic. But there's the choice.

A good example of "efficient" moderation? Right.

I know, right?

It's all on who you know.

I did notice that my dear chum is no longer a "mega-mod" but an "honored member"...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on September 14, 2016, 04:47:39 AM
And I noticed that the one who would kill us all is "honored member" too. Those guys are unbelievable. >:D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on September 14, 2016, 05:10:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cs1BIlglzI

 :lol :lol Sounds far better than Summer In Paradise for sure. With the singing through his nose thing, he must have been heavily influenced by myKe luHv, only this guy is better. :p

OSD, The Shaggs are three sisters (plus a fourth on occasion). Philosophy of the World was Frank Zappa's third favourite album. It has been described as aboriginal music. Real slice-of-life stuff, to be sure.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on September 14, 2016, 05:24:26 AM
And I noticed that the one who would kill us all is "honored member" too. Those guys are unbelievable. >:D
You mean that iain lee guy? Haha! Ssssso... 1 interview with Mike makes him, ahem, "honored guest"? Okaaaaaay. :police:


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 14, 2016, 06:18:49 AM
And I noticed that the one who would kill us all is "honored member" too. Those guys are unbelievable. >:D
You mean that iain lee guy? Haha! Ssssso... 1 interview with Mike makes him, ahem, "honored guest"? Okaaaaaay. :police:

Nah, it was probably because he said he would murder everyone on this forum - the PS forum seems to award people when they threaten others.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on September 14, 2016, 07:33:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cs1BIlglzI

 :lol :lol Sounds far better than Summer In Paradise for sure. With the singing through his nose thing, he must have been heavily influenced by myKe luHv, only this guy is better. :p

OSD, The Shaggs are three sisters (plus a fourth on occasion). Philosophy of the World was Frank Zappa's third favourite album. It has been described as aboriginal music. Real slice-of-life stuff, to be sure.

Thanks! I stand enlightened.  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on September 14, 2016, 07:41:45 AM
And by all appearances, going against the apparent rules, a member is allowed to make a threat against another member with no repercussions on that forum. Pathetic. But there's the choice.

A good example of "efficient" moderation? Right.

I know, right?

It's all on who you know.

I did notice that my dear chum is no longer a "mega-mod" but an "honored member"...

The agdster must have shed a few lbs which would certainly disqualify him from his "mega" status. If the mega brand suddenly reappears, we'll know he's packing on the lard again.  ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 14, 2016, 08:21:01 AM
Mega-lard... ;)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 16, 2016, 07:05:06 PM
Well, it is a shitshow over there.  Just goes to show, if someone was banned here, they were for a good reason and it makes no sense to start up another board for them to flock.

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/742/mike-reunion?page=1

To be fair, the thread over here about the same subject is also pretty heated but this takes the cake.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on September 17, 2016, 12:27:41 AM
Hell of a LOT of Mike threads on the main forum first page  :-X :-X


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 17, 2016, 09:21:59 AM
Hell of a LOT of Mike threads on the main forum first page  :-X :-X

And they say there's nothing strange going at at all.  ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: the captain on September 17, 2016, 11:15:54 AM
A quick glance and it looks like about half of the 10 most recently active threads both there and here are Mike-based. And considering the guy's book just came out and he's been doing a ton of press, that seems reasonable.

Wouldn't life be better if it didn't involve having to see what the other side of the family is doing and measure yourselves against them? My cousin is in jail, my uncle's a drunk, another cousin just so pretentious. Can you believe what he wore to the wedding? She sure put on weight. Glad I'm so great...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 17, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Well, it is a shitshow over there.  Just goes to show, if someone was banned here, they were for a good reason and it makes no sense to start up another board for them to flock.

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/742/mike-reunion?page=1

To be fair, the thread over here about the same subject is also pretty heated but this takes the cake.

Yeah...got me with the "Old School Brianista vs Millenials" thing. Wonder that was a shot at me, because I've mentioned how I'm not that much of a fan of the earlier music? ::) That can be shot down pretty quick..1) I'm not a millennial, I'm a Gen-Xer.  2) Has nothing to do with the Mike Love lyrics...I'm a music giy, not a lyric guy.  3) I *like* the hits, just not much of the album tracks (besides stuff like She Knows Me Too Well).


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: GhostyTMRS on September 17, 2016, 01:04:27 PM
Well, it is a shitshow over there.  Just goes to show, if someone was banned here, they were for a good reason and it makes no sense to start up another board for them to flock.

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/742/mike-reunion?page=1

To be fair, the thread over here about the same subject is also pretty heated but this takes the cake.

Yeah...got me with the "Old School Brianista vs Millenials" thing. Wonder that was a shot at me, because I've mentioned how I'm not that much of a fan of the earlier music? ::) That can be shot down pretty quick..1) I'm not a millennial, I'm a Gen-Xer.  2) Has nothing to do with the Mike Love lyrics...I'm a music giy, not a lyric guy.  3) I *like* the hits, just not much of the album tracks (besides stuff like She Knows Me Too Well).

I postulated the old school vs new school theory and it's got nothing to do with you because I don't know anything about your age, but I've always found it bizarre that younger fans will worship Pet Sounds and Smile but have no time for the older stuff or, even worse, will write it off as the Mike Love stuff. Um..,. Do they not realize that Brian wrote every friggin' note of that music??? I have the same problem with people who dismiss the early Beatles.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 17, 2016, 01:17:55 PM
Well, it is a shitshow over there.  Just goes to show, if someone was banned here, they were for a good reason and it makes no sense to start up another board for them to flock.

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/742/mike-reunion?page=1

To be fair, the thread over here about the same subject is also pretty heated but this takes the cake.

Yeah...got me with the "Old School Brianista vs Millenials" thing. Wonder that was a shot at me, because I've mentioned how I'm not that much of a fan of the earlier music? ::) That can be shot down pretty quick..1) I'm not a millennial, I'm a Gen-Xer.  2) Has nothing to do with the Mike Love lyrics...I'm a music giy, not a lyric guy.  3) I *like* the hits, just not much of the album tracks (besides stuff like She Knows Me Too Well).

I postulated the old school vs new school theory and it's got nothing to do with you because I don't know anything about your age, but I've always found it bizarre that younger fans will worship Pet Sounds and Smile but have no time for the older stuff or, even worse, will write it off as the Mike Love stuff. Um..,. Do they not realize that Brian wrote every friggin' note of that music??? I have the same problem with people who dismiss the early Beatles.

I know, you're good. There was comments made elsewhere about "hipsters" and implying that had something to do with not liking it.

For me, stuff like "Don't hurt my little sister" don't do anything for me musically,  and I actually don't care for Brian's vocals on "Don't back Down", just to name two examples.   It isn't until 1966 where I liked 99% of the stuff on the albums


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on September 17, 2016, 02:50:15 PM
A quick glance and it looks like about half of the 10 most recently active threads both there and here are Mike-based. And considering the guy's book just came out and he's been doing a ton of press, that seems reasonable.


Id say 5/10 considering there are none specifically about Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al or Bruce is high. Hold on! .....there is one about Stamos  ;D 10 in first 16 at latest count about Mike!!!!!

ps. I'm reading Mike's book at the moment and really enjoying but..and not intended in a smartass way... how does he keep getting his wife pregnant while using a condom? once is unfortunate but twice....some sort of super sperm?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: GhostyTMRS on September 17, 2016, 03:48:57 PM
Well, it is a shitshow over there.  Just goes to show, if someone was banned here, they were for a good reason and it makes no sense to start up another board for them to flock.

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/742/mike-reunion?page=1

To be fair, the thread over here about the same subject is also pretty heated but this takes the cake.

Yeah...got me with the "Old School Brianista vs Millenials" thing. Wonder that was a shot at me, because I've mentioned how I'm not that much of a fan of the earlier music? ::) That can be shot down pretty quick..1) I'm not a millennial, I'm a Gen-Xer.  2) Has nothing to do with the Mike Love lyrics...I'm a music giy, not a lyric guy.  3) I *like* the hits, just not much of the album tracks (besides stuff like She Knows Me Too Well).

I postulated the old school vs new school theory and it's got nothing to do with you because I don't know anything about your age, but I've always found it bizarre that younger fans will worship Pet Sounds and Smile but have no time for the older stuff or, even worse, will write it off as the Mike Love stuff. Um..,. Do they not realize that Brian wrote every friggin' note of that music??? I have the same problem with people who dismiss the early Beatles.

I know, you're good. There was comments made elsewhere about "hipsters" and implying that had something to do with not liking it.

For me, stuff like "Don't hurt my little sister" don't do anything for me musically,  and I actually don't care for Brian's vocals on "Don't back Down", just to name two examples.   It isn't until 1966 where I liked 99% of the stuff on the albums

I can see not liking those two examples (although I love them both). I view the period from the first album up through Smile as the "Brian in command"  era, although it's my second favorite period after 67 through the "Surf's Up" album. Then the Blondie/Ricky period, followed by 1976 through 2012 which I call the "Are we actually a functioning real band?" era.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: the captain on September 17, 2016, 04:04:56 PM
A quick glance and it looks like about half of the 10 most recently active threads both there and here are Mike-based. And considering the guy's book just came out and he's been doing a ton of press, that seems reasonable.


Id say 5/10 considering there are none specifically about Brian, Dennis, Carl, Al or Bruce is high. Hold on! .....there is one about Stamos  ;D 10 in first 16 at latest count about Mike!!!!!

ps. I'm reading Mike's book at the moment and really enjoying but..and not intended in a smartass way... how does he keep getting his wife pregnant while using a condom? once is unfortunate but twice....some sort of super sperm?

The Stamos one was mine.  ;D You're welcome, world!

As for the rest, eh, I don't really care, to be honest. Seems to me that most of the threads are identical: I actually was assuming people were starting the same threads on both boards, as a lot seem to be word for word. They're mostly boring in both places. The main difference between the places seems to me to be who is being bitched about and by whom. Because people are kind of pathetic children.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 20, 2016, 08:44:42 AM
Really hope I don't offend the people who bitch about the people who bitch about certain people with this post ;D

I was perusing the little Pet Sounds forum, and came across this post by filledeplage (http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/771/people?page=3&scrollTo=10030) (actually the whole thread is worth reading for an amusing laugh):

(http://i.imgur.com/ALPAFDw.png)

"You need to take an oath of fealty to avoid seeing the touring band."

Not true. One look at Stephen Desper's detailed and informative review (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,24128.msg584236.html#msg584236) of the touring band show and one can easily deduce that, regardless of who you like in the band, the touring show is probably not worth going to. When the chief engineer and mixer for Sunflower says "If I had bought my tickets (they were comp from Bruce) I would have demanded a refund." I take that as a pretty solid reason to avoid seeing the touring band...no "oath of fealty" required lol.

"They don't tolerate anything positive about Mike"

How many of us loved the Record Collector interview with Mike (I think it was Record Collector)? Where Mike went into details about his childhood/upbringing and why he has made the decisions he has made? I don't think there was one complaint about the first installment of that interview because Mike opened up and, for seemingly once, wasn't passive aggressively talking about the Wilson's drug use or how "controlled" Brian is. We not only tolerated it but we wanted more of it! But nah, just last month Mike was back to talking about Brian's current prescription drug regimen and how he has been controlled since the Landy era.

As for the PM situation being "shocking and voyeuristic" :lol soooo Andrew inquires about a poster's IP address to get a general location of a poster because he's been asked by an interested party to find the home address of this person, but to view the PM where Andrew asks for that IP address is "shocking" part? Andrew talks about a poster possibly vanishing and it may or may not be due to the fact he knows where that person lives...Yet it's "shocking" that those PMs were released to the public? :o okay then.....


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on September 20, 2016, 09:00:36 AM
I still can't wrap my mind around such a behaviour. Amazing.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: mikeddonn on September 20, 2016, 03:07:39 PM
Really hope I don't offend the people who bitch about the people who bitch about certain people with this post ;D

I was perusing the little Pet Sounds forum, and came across this post by filledeplage (http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/771/people?page=3&scrollTo=10030) (actually the whole thread is worth reading for an amusing laugh):

(http://i.imgur.com/ALPAFDw.png)

"You need to take an oath of fealty to avoid seeing the touring band."

Not true. One look at Stephen Desper's detailed and informative review (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,24128.msg584236.html#msg584236) of the touring band show and one can easily deduce that, regardless of who you like in the band, the touring show is probably not worth going to. When the chief engineer and mixer for Sunflower says "If I had bought my tickets (they were comp from Bruce) I would have demanded a refund." I take that as a pretty solid reason to avoid seeing the touring band...no "oath of fealty" required lol.

"They don't tolerate anything positive about Mike"

How many of us loved the Record Collector interview with Mike (I think it was Record Collector)? Where Mike went into details about his childhood/upbringing and why he has made the decisions he has made? I don't think there was one complaint about the first installment of that interview because Mike opened up and, for seemingly once, wasn't passive aggressively talking about the Wilson's drug use or how "controlled" Brian is. We not only tolerated it but we wanted more of it! But nah, just last month Mike was back to talking about Brian's current prescription drug regimen and how he has been controlled since the Landy era.

As for the PM situation being "shocking and voyeuristic" :lol soooo Andrew inquires about a poster's IP address to get a general location of a poster because he's been asked by an interested party to find the home address of this person, but to view the PM where Andrew asks for that IP address is "shocking" part? Andrew talks about a poster possibly vanishing and it may or may not be due to the fact he knows where that person lives...Yet it's "shocking" that those PMs were released to the public? :o okay then.....

Is what she says about her banning true?  Was there no warning, no right of reply?  If so, that was pretty poor.  The referring to her as Chewbacca and 'gloating' over the ban imposed seems to be the kind of thing that would not have happened here a few years ago.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
The "Chewbacca" thing was in reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewbacca_defense  As for why she was banned, well, read the post history and the responses in the threads, the back and forth. I have indeed talked to her about it previously and it went unheeded.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
As far as the 7 day period (as mentioned in the board rules)....I need to set that up manually so she can read the board, just not post. I thought I already had...wondered why she's been quiet ::)

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Fixed now.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
On a different note...either me or Craig has been accused of trolling Stephen Desper. I'd like to know exactly what that's referring to...it is certainly news to me!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 20, 2016, 05:51:41 PM
On a different note...either me or Craig has been accused of trolling Stephen Desper. I'd like to know exactly what that's referring to...it is certainly news to me!

Pretty much any allegation or statement directed towards this site or the people on it is something that is news to us all. Penal colony board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 20, 2016, 05:54:56 PM
Agreed, there is much nastiness lurking in the PM system there from AGD's crew of lowlifes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: the captain on September 20, 2016, 06:05:05 PM
In the interest of fairness (not to mention maybe some kind of hope for a positive showing as a destination franchise for free agents)

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Message for everyone: can we pleeeeease not make this about who hates whom and who's still mad about whatever from wherever else? A lot of people piss me off (because I'm unapologetically a drunken, cantankerous f***). Several, I'd rather never see post anywhere again. But that's just life. And if there's one thing that is worse than seeing those people post, it's seeing people argue about the fact that they post, or posted, or will post, and how so-and-so was wronged while such-and-such was said and blah blah fucking kill me.

I don't want to have to find another stupid fucking message board to avoid the grade school sh*t.

and

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how about grow up and move on with your lives?

Just my two cents.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 06:06:56 PM
True, but at some point one of us is gonna have to be the bigger man/woman and end it.

Probably should be us, IMHO. I think the ones who are taking shots at us will do so regardless, no matter what we do. I'd rather not stain our board any more than it already has been.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 20, 2016, 06:22:19 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 06:25:07 PM
In the interest of fairness (not to mention maybe some kind of hope for a positive showing as a destination franchise for free agents)

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Message for everyone: can we pleeeeease not make this about who hates whom and who's still mad about whatever from wherever else? A lot of people piss me off (because I'm unapologetically a drunken, cantankerous f***). Several, I'd rather never see post anywhere again. But that's just life. And if there's one thing that is worse than seeing those people post, it's seeing people argue about the fact that they post, or posted, or will post, and how so-and-so was wronged while such-and-such was said and blah blah fucking kill me.

I don't want to have to find another stupid fucking message board to avoid the grade school sh*t.

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how about grow up and move on with your lives?

Just my two cents.

I was literally in process of suggesting the same thing til I got the stupind 'connection error' message! :lol   great minds think alike


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 06:25:41 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

Agreed...I'm going to lock this tomorrow if Craig agrees unless there's more to be said.  


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 20, 2016, 07:04:43 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

Agreed...I'm going to lock this tomorrow if Craig agrees unless there's more to be said.  

Sorry but as long as the penal colony continues to make false allegations about this site I think we have a right to correct the record.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 07:27:42 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames. 

Agreed...I'm going to lock this tomorrow if Craig agrees unless there's more to be said. 

Sorry but as long as the penal colony continues to make false allegations about this site I think we have a right to correct the record.

I can understand that too.

Ok, in that case...whatever needs to be said, let's lay it all out there. And those who are members there taking swipes at us ..and are still members here...quit lurking and lay it all out too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 20, 2016, 07:50:01 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames. 

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 20, 2016, 08:04:09 PM
On a different note...either me or Craig has been accused of trolling Stephen Desper. I'd like to know exactly what that's referring to...it is certainly news to me!

Pretty much any allegation or statement directed towards this site or the people on it is something that is news to us all. Penal colony board.

I'll address this. So it looks like a board member on the PS forum is saying that I, or Billy, was trolling Stephen Desper.

That member is "brucesshorts". Let's review the history there.

Is this the same "brucesshorts" who had a membership here? Is it the poster formerly known as "Pinder Goes To Kokomo"?

When Pinder Goes To Kokomo was a member here, it reached a point where multiple complaints were coming in to the mods about him, his posts, and the way he posted. There were warnings given out, etc. Public and private, although other mods did it privately so I can't speak to those specifically. At one point, "Pinder" made a post about comparing people here saying this or that to suicide bombers. That's over the line, it was addressed and he was banned. Agreed by the mods.

The ban was not a lifetime ban. It was left open, after he had received bans in the past.

Then this poster named "brucesshorts" showed up on this board. Reminded people enough of the old Pinder posts that they reported him to the mods. The mods looked into it after Klaas, when he was still a mod, raised the issue to us. We looked into it, agreed it sounded like the old Pinder. The registration logs were checked out, sure enough there were matches. Klaas, myself, and Billy agreed it would be a lifetime ban.

It is simply not allowed to create an alias account to try evading a ban. That's made crystal clear in the rules. So, there were lies, attempts at deceit in order to evade a ban, and a general "f*** you" message sent to this community in general when lies are told like that to try getting around a ban.

Is this the same "brucesshorts" throwing insults at me, at Billy, and at this board in general? See for yourself. If it is, just consider the source. Someone who has lied and tried to deceive members here to evade a ban in the past, if it's the same person on another forum, do you put stock in what he's saying? Do you back up his accusations because of his good word and honesty? Judge for yourself.

Those are the facts.

If he's posting bullshit about Billy or I "trolling" Stephen Desper on this or any other board, go right to either of our post histories and find examples. Or consider saving the trouble and time, and consider who is making the accusations, and who is one of the most vocal critics of this forum on the other board. If that's who you choose to be around and choose to believe over the facts, then that's your choice to make.

Liars lie, period.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 08:51:41 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.



Checked out some of those posts...I see where Chris "Bgas" Woods keeps taking swipes at me. I don't get that...we used to be on what i thought were good terms. He started saying things here about you and I, and it kept going on and on and on...and yeah, I finally had enough. I'm not surprised he has continued after I banned him...I just don't understand what set him off in the first place, especially since I used to stick up for him when he and Mikie got into it.

For those who still are members here but take swipes at us over there...again, this is your chance to lay it out. After this, it needs to end. Just have the guts to say what you mean, and not just lurk here for the sole purpose of having "ammunition" to use over there. I've always felt if you don't like it here, leave; don't hang around and lurk , or (worse yet) act like everything is all good yet talk mess behind our backs.

Maybe it's good to get this last little bit off our chests..so we can finally move on.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 08:58:36 PM
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It is simply not allowed to create an alias account to try evading a ban

And before anybody brings up Rob..his ban was put in by someone who is no longer a mod here and was rescinded.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 20, 2016, 09:00:43 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames. 

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.  


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 09:02:48 PM
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When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops

I honestly don't know who that is. I saw the post, and...yeah. I was honestly curious myself as to who that was. That whole "Brian as idiot savant" thing was idiotic.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 20, 2016, 09:08:13 PM
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When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops

I honestly don't know who that is. I saw the post, and...yeah. I was honestly curious myself as to who that was. That whole "Brian as idiot savant" thing was idiotic.

I think I know who it is, but looking at this person's posts over here, it was a very out of character comment for sure. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 20, 2016, 09:14:24 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.  

I'd double-check that certainty, Kid. Seriously. You're a member there, I don't know what your history here is with Billy, but I assumed you spoke with him and considered him a friend. You've seen him get dragged through the mud, thrown under the bus, and as of tonight "bgas" decided to insult him personally.

Have you said or done anything to voice an opinion that it should be stopped? You're a member, you want to talk about the music there. Where have you been when a friend of yours is getting bashed?

If the posts in that thread are a reaction to what I've said here, find me an example from the time that thread started up, by Andrew Doe no less. His actions and words speak for themselves.

Bgas, "Pinder" if that's who Bruce's Shorts really is, one is banned member who tried to lie and evade a ban after getting multiple bans under his former name, and the other was a guy who Billy and I both stuck up for in the past, who we both had conversations with off the board in the past, and then he started posting insults and name-calling at us here, and now posts them on a board where Billy and I aren't members. Unless I'm forgetting something, where on this board have Billy or I  come out of the blue throwing insults at him which would account for his words being a reaction to things here?

This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side. If you want it to keep going as it is now, Kid, and you can continue to watch a friend get dragged through the mud, remain silent and do nothing. It's your board, you're a member with a voice. Your call. Just don't put the "we deserve it" defense on us. We know the facts - we do not have to lie to make points. We have the ultimate "impeccable source". It's called the truth. Your choice.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 09:21:31 PM
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When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops

I honestly don't know who that is. I saw the post, and...yeah. I was honestly curious myself as to who that was. That whole "Brian as idiot savant" thing was idiotic.

I think I know who it is, but looking at this person's posts over here, it was a very out of character comment for sure. 

I hope it was intended as a joke, personally.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 09:26:36 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames. 

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.   

I'd double-check that certainty, Kid. Seriously. You're a member there, I don't know what your history here is with Billy, but I assumed you spoke with him and considered him a friend. You've seen him get dragged through the mud, thrown under the bus, and as of tonight "bgas" decided to insult him personally.

Have you said or done anything to voice an opinion that it should be stopped? You're a member, you want to talk about the music there. Where have you been when a friend of yours is getting bashed?

If the posts in that thread are a reaction to what I've said here, find me an example from the time that thread started up, by Andrew Doe no less. His actions and words speak for themselves.

Bgas, "Pinder" if that's who Bruce's Shorts really is, one is banned member who tried to lie and evade a ban after getting multiple bans under his former name, and the other was a guy who Billy and I both stuck up for in the past, who we both had conversations with off the board in the past, and then he started posting insults and name-calling at us here, and now posts them on a board where Billy and I aren't members. Unless I'm forgetting something, where on this board have Billy or I  come out of the blue throwing insults at him which would account for his words being a reaction to things here?

This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side. If you want it to keep going as it is now, Kid, and you can continue to watch a friend get dragged through the mud, remain silent and do nothing. It's your board, you're a member with a voice. Your call. Just don't put the "we deserve it" defense on us. We know the facts - we do not have to lie to make points. We have the ultimate "impeccable source". It's called the truth. Your choice.

I have indeed seen a post or two from him saying something about stopping the infighting. Granted, I don't read much over there.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 09:28:54 PM
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This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side

I'm more concerned with it coming from a former mod, myself. The whole "shortbus" comment spoke volumes.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 20, 2016, 09:30:10 PM
Just to clarify, Bgas went back and replaced his old posts - some of them specifically in the "AGD Ban" thread, with period marks. Some of those posts which are now periods were not entirely supportive of Andrew Doe. Now they're gone. Instead he insulted Billy and I on a forum where we're not members, after coming here and doing the same thing before he got banned.

Being a major collector does not entitle you to insult other posters. If people go around personally insulting members here, insulting this board and community in public posts, and act that way in general, they're not welcome here.

They can bellyache and moan all they want. The door is locked. That sh*t doesn't fly here. If people want to talk about music, Mike's book, or whatever...the board is still running strong. If other boards and their admins want to allow things like Bgas and Mikie insulting each other as per the past decade or so on this forum, and allow disgruntled banned members to spread lies and insults directed this way, and send threats via PM to members they don't want around, those who are members can speak up and ask that it be stopped. But those doing it are already banned from here for reasons they can lie about unchecked...and those reasons might just be on display through their posts on other forums. Add it up, make your call. You know the URL if you can tolerate that kind of thing between members on a music board. Let the insults fly.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 20, 2016, 09:38:24 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames. 

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.   

I'd double-check that certainty, Kid. Seriously. You're a member there, I don't know what your history here is with Billy, but I assumed you spoke with him and considered him a friend. You've seen him get dragged through the mud, thrown under the bus, and as of tonight "bgas" decided to insult him personally.

Have you said or done anything to voice an opinion that it should be stopped? You're a member, you want to talk about the music there. Where have you been when a friend of yours is getting bashed?

If the posts in that thread are a reaction to what I've said here, find me an example from the time that thread started up, by Andrew Doe no less. His actions and words speak for themselves.

Bgas, "Pinder" if that's who Bruce's Shorts really is, one is banned member who tried to lie and evade a ban after getting multiple bans under his former name, and the other was a guy who Billy and I both stuck up for in the past, who we both had conversations with off the board in the past, and then he started posting insults and name-calling at us here, and now posts them on a board where Billy and I aren't members. Unless I'm forgetting something, where on this board have Billy or I  come out of the blue throwing insults at him which would account for his words being a reaction to things here?

This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side. If you want it to keep going as it is now, Kid, and you can continue to watch a friend get dragged through the mud, remain silent and do nothing. It's your board, you're a member with a voice. Your call. Just don't put the "we deserve it" defense on us. We know the facts - we do not have to lie to make points. We have the ultimate "impeccable source". It's called the truth. Your choice.

I have indeed seen a post or two from him saying something about stopping the infighting. Granted, I don't read much over there.

Not infighting, but how about stopping the insults directed at a friend. At some point you say "enough" when someone you know or consider a friend is getting insulted and trashed with no means of replying. I also saw the former mod trashing another "Brianista" who he doesn't like...actually the mod forum has quite a few examples of his dislike for "Brianistas" like "Dauber" and Rob M going back years so I'm not surprised at the source. But when another disgruntled banned member celebrates it, that's who they are, and what they do. The short bus comment, is that directed at the Smiley Smile board? Total lack of class. But - If that's what people are into, there's the URL for it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 20, 2016, 09:57:49 PM
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I also saw the former mod trashing another "Brianista" who he doesn't like...actually the mod forum has quite a few examples of his dislike for "Brianistas" like "Dauber" and Rob M going back years so I'm not surprised at the source. But when another disgruntled banned member celebrates it, that's who they are, and what they do. The short bus comment, is that directed at the Smiley Smile board?

Yes it was. I never had an issue with him, although I had to unfriend him just to get his posts off my newsfeed, as many of his FB friends were making anti Semtic comments , which offended me on a personal level


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 20, 2016, 10:07:03 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.  

I'd double-check that certainty, Kid. Seriously. You're a member there, I don't know what your history here is with Billy, but I assumed you spoke with him and considered him a friend. You've seen him get dragged through the mud, thrown under the bus, and as of tonight "bgas" decided to insult him personally.

Have you said or done anything to voice an opinion that it should be stopped? You're a member, you want to talk about the music there. Where have you been when a friend of yours is getting bashed?

If the posts in that thread are a reaction to what I've said here, find me an example from the time that thread started up, by Andrew Doe no less. His actions and words speak for themselves.

Bgas, "Pinder" if that's who Bruce's Shorts really is, one is banned member who tried to lie and evade a ban after getting multiple bans under his former name, and the other was a guy who Billy and I both stuck up for in the past, who we both had conversations with off the board in the past, and then he started posting insults and name-calling at us here, and now posts them on a board where Billy and I aren't members. Unless I'm forgetting something, where on this board have Billy or I  come out of the blue throwing insults at him which would account for his words being a reaction to things here?

This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side. If you want it to keep going as it is now, Kid, and you can continue to watch a friend get dragged through the mud, remain silent and do nothing. It's your board, you're a member with a voice. Your call. Just don't put the "we deserve it" defense on us. We know the facts - we do not have to lie to make points. We have the ultimate "impeccable source". It's called the truth. Your choice.

Billy knows how I feel about this whole thing.  I've said here and there that this back and forth needs to stop.  I specifically said the insults need to stop a couple pages ago.  

I didn't say everything was a reaction to what was being said here.  If you want to mischaracterize my words, go ahead, I don't really care.  I'm still trying to see what you're end goal is.  You've always said that you're trying to set the record straight, but at some point it needs to stop.  Are you really going to respond to every comment that is made about this forum?  Maybe you should kindly ask your sources to stop reading the forum for you considering you have no desire to visit the place.  

I think the captain's words on the last page are very wise and should be heeded by everyone.  


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 20, 2016, 11:08:36 PM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.  

I'd double-check that certainty, Kid. Seriously. You're a member there, I don't know what your history here is with Billy, but I assumed you spoke with him and considered him a friend. You've seen him get dragged through the mud, thrown under the bus, and as of tonight "bgas" decided to insult him personally.

Have you said or done anything to voice an opinion that it should be stopped? You're a member, you want to talk about the music there. Where have you been when a friend of yours is getting bashed?

If the posts in that thread are a reaction to what I've said here, find me an example from the time that thread started up, by Andrew Doe no less. His actions and words speak for themselves.

Bgas, "Pinder" if that's who Bruce's Shorts really is, one is banned member who tried to lie and evade a ban after getting multiple bans under his former name, and the other was a guy who Billy and I both stuck up for in the past, who we both had conversations with off the board in the past, and then he started posting insults and name-calling at us here, and now posts them on a board where Billy and I aren't members. Unless I'm forgetting something, where on this board have Billy or I  come out of the blue throwing insults at him which would account for his words being a reaction to things here?

This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side. If you want it to keep going as it is now, Kid, and you can continue to watch a friend get dragged through the mud, remain silent and do nothing. It's your board, you're a member with a voice. Your call. Just don't put the "we deserve it" defense on us. We know the facts - we do not have to lie to make points. We have the ultimate "impeccable source". It's called the truth. Your choice.

Billy knows how I feel about this whole thing.  I've said here and there that this back and forth needs to stop.  I specifically said the insults need to stop a couple pages ago.  

I didn't say everything was a reaction to what was being said here.  If you want to mischaracterize my words, go ahead, I don't really care.  I'm still trying to see what you're end goal is.  You've always said that you're trying to set the record straight, but at some point it needs to stop.  Are you really going to respond to every comment that is made about this forum?  Maybe you should kindly ask your sources to stop reading the forum for you considering you have no desire to visit the place.  

I think the captain's words on the last page are very wise and should be heeded by everyone.  



I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.

That's what you said. Vast majority. And that's just not true. It's also been and will be more than one or two members unless people like you who seem to care actually speak up there, if you're worried about that board so much. Change it.

As far as your comments here, don't come here trying to play the "we deserve it" or "we're asking for it" card. We don't deserve it. Billy doesn't. Rob didn't. SmileBrian didn't.

The people who deserved it are the ones who got banned, and their actions show it to this day on the new home they made. Like Pinder, like bgas, like Andrew Doe, like Mike's Beard, etc. Take it up with them for polluting your board with their grudges. Don't bring that baggage here.

Maybe you could take it up with the people on the forum you're a member of. Tell them to knock it off if it bothers you. Your issues are with them.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 21, 2016, 12:14:29 AM
In all fairness, Bruce's Shorts (whether or not it was Pinder) has been posting that everyone (including them) needs to let it be, and he's dropping it.

It's definitely more than one or two people stirring the sh*t over there, but a few seem to be worse than anyone else.

The administrator there, one 'Dr. Beachboy' , is the worst of the lot. Smile Brian was given sh*t until he asked to be banned. Sweetdudejim is getting sh*t on there too, but at least Dirk finally quit putting on the facade of being unbiased and is no longer making a secret of hiding his abuse of power (while claiming the same of us).

The whole thing about Rob being banned and being let on "because of who he knows" is bullshit...as was his initial ban, done because him and then-mod Jason have had heat for many many years. (But hey, back when he was mod Jason was always pushing for Andrew to be banned, and I didn't listen, so what do I know?)

The whole "Mike Love supporters get banned" thing is also bullshit. You know what? We still have pro-Mike people here, and they're still here. That conveniently gets overlooked to fit the narrative. Name one person, ONE PERSON, who solely got banned for being a Mike person. I'd hold my breath waiting, but I don't feel like suffocating. Maybe tomorrow.

I really don't get bgas's problem...one day just did a complete 180 and started taking swipes at me despite me always having stuck up for him when him and Mikie got into it (I'd say to they need to get a room, but then I remember Mike's Beard is a member there, and he has an issue with LGBT folks, so probably wouldn't work out too well) Now he's joined in with Cam Twat with the whole 'Billie' thing too.


And the funny thing is...all of this sh*t started when Andrew Doe was banned. Well, I think time has proved us right on that one, I'd say.

Speaking of Doe...he now posted that I'm a puppet. :lol  Wow...the guy who's basically Mike Love's puppet has called ME a puppet?  ::)  Right, right. That guy has Love's hand so far up his ass, he's vomiting wedding rings.

In any case, I see their thread has now been locked, and since I've pretty much got everything off my chest I needed to, guess I can lay this to rest on my side of it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on September 21, 2016, 10:45:57 AM
I "know" people?  :-D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: mikeddonn on September 21, 2016, 11:39:00 AM
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When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops

I honestly don't know who that is. I saw the post, and...yeah. I was honestly curious myself as to who that was. That whole "Brian as idiot savant" thing was idiotic.

I think I know who it is, but looking at this person's posts over here, it was a very out of character comment for sure.  

SweetDudeJim.

Edit:  It's not Jim. Apologies!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 21, 2016, 11:44:58 AM
As I said over there, I don't think the dust can settle as long as this thread exists.  All it's doing at this point is fanning the flames.  

It's a two-way street. I'm getting reports almost daily that people on the other board are taking shots at me, at Billy, and at this board in general. I don't have a membership there and never posted there - never will. Billy doesn't have a membership there, he doesn't post there. When word comes in that we're being bashed over there, it's usually the same group of disgruntled banned members who have an axe to grind here. Consider the sources. Some are openly exposed as liars. Consider the sources. Cinc Kid, look at what Billy posted recently about sources and gossip. Is that enough to cast at least some doubt on the word of some of the most vocal members bashing us? Impeccable sources my ass, to be blunt about it.

Now we can add a new term to the lexicon. We had "disgruntled band members", now add "disgruntled banned members". If people do go there to talk music, part of me does feel bad for them because there is a group of the same dozen or so disgruntled banned members now camped out there who can't stop throwing insults and lies.

If you believe what they're saying, that's your call man. But consider the sources and the history. History that goes back over a decade in a few cases.


I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.  I don't get why some people here are so hung up on what those banned members say.   When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops , just for the purpose of trolling, that doesn't help things either.  As for why someone might post over there, it's not a black and white issue of choosing sides because one believes someone's story over someone else.  I couldn't care less, really.  It's just a more relaxing place to talk about my favorite band, for me anyway.  There are about 200 others members I can converse with aside from the banned people and a couple others that are being harped on over here.  

I'd double-check that certainty, Kid. Seriously. You're a member there, I don't know what your history here is with Billy, but I assumed you spoke with him and considered him a friend. You've seen him get dragged through the mud, thrown under the bus, and as of tonight "bgas" decided to insult him personally.

Have you said or done anything to voice an opinion that it should be stopped? You're a member, you want to talk about the music there. Where have you been when a friend of yours is getting bashed?

If the posts in that thread are a reaction to what I've said here, find me an example from the time that thread started up, by Andrew Doe no less. His actions and words speak for themselves.

Bgas, "Pinder" if that's who Bruce's Shorts really is, one is banned member who tried to lie and evade a ban after getting multiple bans under his former name, and the other was a guy who Billy and I both stuck up for in the past, who we both had conversations with off the board in the past, and then he started posting insults and name-calling at us here, and now posts them on a board where Billy and I aren't members. Unless I'm forgetting something, where on this board have Billy or I  come out of the blue throwing insults at him which would account for his words being a reaction to things here?

This is who these people are, this is what they do. They throw insults, they lie, and they clog up message boards with that kind of stuff and blame moderators for not taking their side. If you want it to keep going as it is now, Kid, and you can continue to watch a friend get dragged through the mud, remain silent and do nothing. It's your board, you're a member with a voice. Your call. Just don't put the "we deserve it" defense on us. We know the facts - we do not have to lie to make points. We have the ultimate "impeccable source". It's called the truth. Your choice.

Billy knows how I feel about this whole thing.  I've said here and there that this back and forth needs to stop.  I specifically said the insults need to stop a couple pages ago.  

I didn't say everything was a reaction to what was being said here.  If you want to mischaracterize my words, go ahead, I don't really care.  I'm still trying to see what you're end goal is.  You've always said that you're trying to set the record straight, but at some point it needs to stop.  Are you really going to respond to every comment that is made about this forum?  Maybe you should kindly ask your sources to stop reading the forum for you considering you have no desire to visit the place.  

I think the captain's words on the last page are very wise and should be heeded by everyone.  



I can say with certainty that the vast majority of what is being said is in reaction to what is being posted on this thread about members there.    All but maybe one or two members want to move on at this point.  Their opinions aren't going to change.

That's what you said. Vast majority. And that's just not true. It's also been and will be more than one or two members unless people like you who seem to care actually speak up there, if you're worried about that board so much. Change it.

As far as your comments here, don't come here trying to play the "we deserve it" or "we're asking for it" card. We don't deserve it. Billy doesn't. Rob didn't. SmileBrian didn't.

The people who deserved it are the ones who got banned, and their actions show it to this day on the new home they made. Like Pinder, like bgas, like Andrew Doe, like Mike's Beard, etc. Take it up with them for polluting your board with their grudges. Don't bring that baggage here.

Maybe you could take it up with the people on the forum you're a member of. Tell them to knock it off if it bothers you. Your issues are with them.

If you want to form your opinion of that forum based on a few members, go ahead.  I wouldn't do that that though, especially since you say you've never visited the forum.  

I have no idea where you're getting this idea that I'm saying you guys deserve this.  All I've been saying is the insults and back and forth needs to stop.  On both forums.  Honestly, it's pretty insulting that you keep choosing to ignore what I've been saying.  If Billy is willing to end it, why aren't you?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 21, 2016, 11:47:41 AM
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When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops

I honestly don't know who that is. I saw the post, and...yeah. I was honestly curious myself as to who that was. That whole "Brian as idiot savant" thing was idiotic.

I think I know who it is, but looking at this person's posts over here, it was a very out of character comment for sure. 

SweetDudeJim I believe.

No, he is now make America vape again. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 21, 2016, 11:59:21 AM
If you want to form your opinion of that forum based on a few members, go ahead.

A look at who that forum deems as 'Honored Guests' tells me all I need to know about that place.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 21, 2016, 12:10:34 PM
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All I've been saying is the insults and back and forth needs to stop.  On both forums.

I can definitely agree with that. I'm done slinging mud unless mud is slung at me or any of our members here. I said my piece yesterday.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: mikeddonn on September 21, 2016, 12:15:28 PM
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When you have members here who post over there under pseudonyms, such as bambupoops

I honestly don't know who that is. I saw the post, and...yeah. I was honestly curious myself as to who that was. That whole "Brian as idiot savant" thing was idiotic.

I think I know who it is, but looking at this person's posts over here, it was a very out of character comment for sure. 

SweetDudeJim I believe.

No, he is now make America vape again. 

Yip, I checked that after I posted!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 21, 2016, 12:34:21 PM
If you want to form your opinion of that forum based on a few members, go ahead.

A look at who that forum deems as 'Honored Guests' tells me all I need to know about that place.

Regular members had no input on who the honored guests should be.  Seeing honored member next to AGD's name isn't going stop me from posting there even though I don't like what he did. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on September 21, 2016, 12:50:46 PM
If you want to form your opinion of that forum based on a few members, go ahead.

A look at who that forum deems as 'Honored Guests' tells me all I need to know about that place.

Regular members had no input on who the honored guests should be.  Seeing honored member next to AGD's name isn't going stop me from posting there even though I don't like what he did.  

I was referring to the leadership on that forum.

edit: and regardless of my opinion of that forum, as long as the false allegations stop I won't speak of it anymore. But I have and will call out bullshit when I see it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on September 21, 2016, 12:55:49 PM
If you want to form your opinion of that forum based on a few members, go ahead.

A look at who that forum deems as 'Honored Guests' tells me all I need to know about that place.

Regular members had no input on who the honored guests should be.  Seeing honored member next to AGD's name isn't going stop me from posting there even though I don't like what he did.  

I was referring to the leadership on that forum.

edit: and regardless of my opinion of that forum, as long as the false allegations stop I won't speak of it anymore. But I have and will call out bullshit when I see it.

Thanks  :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emily on September 22, 2016, 11:25:33 PM
Just throwing out a suggestion and seeing if there are any takers. Would everyone here agree to a ceasefire if everyone there did?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 22, 2016, 11:52:08 PM
I would. Actually looks like it already is happening, which is cool by me.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on September 23, 2016, 12:38:41 AM
I think this is a good time to close this thread.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on September 23, 2016, 05:48:19 AM
Keep it open. No one has posted here for two days, because there haven't been any insults or accusations thrown this way for two days. If no insults are launched, no posts appear here in reply. Simple. No need to lock it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on September 23, 2016, 08:04:49 AM
Keep it open. No one has posted here for two days, because there haven't been any insults or accusations thrown this way for two days. If no insults are launched, no posts appear here in reply. Simple. No need to lock it.

Agree. You never know when someone over there with a rocket launcher aimed at us will get their panties in a bunch and go ballistic. It appears to be that type of crowd over yonder.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on September 23, 2016, 10:36:39 AM
Keep it open. No one has posted here for two days, because there haven't been any insults or accusations thrown this way for two days. If no insults are launched, no posts appear here in reply. Simple. No need to lock it.
It's not going to end if this thread stays up. Same with the AGD thread.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on September 23, 2016, 10:40:59 AM
There are still some who are reading the AGD thread for the first time so that one is useful.  As for this, well,  I'm not going to post anything towards anybody unless there's a need to.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 01:43:21 PM
Time has proved the below quoted post correct. Seems like Dirk the Dick is at it again.

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It's definitely more than one or two people stirring the sh*t over there, but a few seem to be worse than anyone else.

The administrator there, one 'Dr. Beachboy' , is the worst of the lot. Smile Brian was given sh*t until he asked to be banned. Sweetdudejim is getting sh*t on there too, but at least Dirk finally quit putting on the facade of being unbiased and is no longer making a secret of hiding his abuse of power (while claiming the same of us).

That second sentence is now quoted in his signature, but doctored to make it look like I was referring to ALL the PS forum members, which I wasn't (and also lovingly referred to me as "Billie", once again). So yeah, I think my point was proven, esp since nobody else there is currently taking swipes at us or vice versa. Sorry, dudesy, you keep showing your true colors.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on October 03, 2016, 02:04:22 PM
For what it's worth, he's had that in his signature for close to two weeks. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 02:16:39 PM
Ahhh..ok then. Shows how often I look at the board then :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 03, 2016, 02:24:43 PM
Bille C. is not our moderator, he is just a guy. And the asshats are not on SS (to the tune of bille jean)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 02:30:00 PM
:lol

Shamone!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 03, 2016, 02:47:53 PM
Billy moonwalks around the block... ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 02:54:01 PM
Hee hee ow!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 07:01:57 PM
Looks like Nurse Beach Boy is still taking shots. I'll let him wallow in his own feces while us adults have our own conversations


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on October 03, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
Looks like Nurse Beach Boy is still taking shots. I'll let him wallow in his own feces while us adults have our own conversations

Not to be rude, but I think the adult thing to do is to not make cheap shots as well.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
Looks like Nurse Beach Boy is still taking shots. I'll let him wallow in his own feces while us adults have our own conversations

Not to be rude, but I think the adult thing to do is to not make cheap shots as well.

Yeah, you're right. The whole lying thing in his signature got my goat, but I'll let it go.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 03, 2016, 07:42:13 PM
Looks like Nurse Beach Boy is still taking shots. I'll let him wallow in his own feces while us adults have our own conversations

Not to be rude, but I think the adult thing to do is to not make cheap shots as well.

Why not?? You just did. And, cheap shots is their credo.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 03, 2016, 07:47:01 PM
Looks like Nurse Beach Boy is still taking shots. I'll let him wallow in his own feces while us adults have our own conversations

Not to be rude, but I think the adult thing to do is to not make cheap shots as well.

Why not?? You just did. And, cheap shots is their credo.

1) I didn't take it as a cheap shot (talking about NTIOH's post)
2). Just a select few, not the whole board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 04, 2016, 12:04:58 AM
To accentuate the positive, cool feature: youtube vids can be seen in the site. As we don't have it, would be useful if people here said what's in the link/described. Instead "this is my favorite [URL]". Not everybody got fast youtube.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on October 04, 2016, 01:43:20 AM
To accentuate the positive, cool feature: youtube vids can be seen in the site. As we don't have it, would be useful if people here said what's in the link/described. Instead "this is my favorite [URL]". Not everybody got fast youtube.

Good point, RR. I'm guilty of it myself at times. Another thing is that even if the video is removed, we still know what that favourite was.

We have embedded videos at "my" forum. Interestingly, when YouTube and/or Google+ made some change, all those embedded links went dead! We're now in the process of repairing them, beginning with topics that get the most posts and/or views. Such is life...


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 04, 2016, 05:35:32 AM
Good point, RR. I'm guilty of it myself at times. Another thing is that even if the video is removed, we still know what that favourite was.

We have embedded videos at "my" forum. Interestingly, when YouTube and/or Google+ made some change, all those embedded links went dead! We're now in the process of repairing them, beginning with topics that get the most posts and/or views. Such is life...
Yes, I meant you when saying it. :police: plus some others. The local Beatles site has feature too. Maybe they deal with repairing too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on October 04, 2016, 11:35:29 AM
To add to the positivity, thanks Cincinnati Kid for mellowing things out between the boards. Hopefully everything will blow over and each board can be happy with what they've got...I think it's mostly this way now.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 04, 2016, 11:38:19 AM
I think things will be ok. I got out everything I needed to, and I think they might have as well.

And in the interest of being positive...I wish we could add a shoutbox here. The board infrastructure is sadly outdated


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 04, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
Glad to be a topic in spirit on the PSF. :p


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 04, 2016, 02:31:16 PM
We need to do a Smile Brian appreciation thread! 8)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 04, 2016, 02:32:04 PM
Thanks Billy! :)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on October 04, 2016, 05:53:39 PM
We need to do a Smile Brian appreciation thread! 8)

Long past due but worth the wait!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on October 04, 2016, 06:31:43 PM
To add to the positivity, thanks Cincinnati Kid for mellowing things out between the boards. Hopefully everything will blow over and each board can be happy with what they've got...I think it's mostly this way now.

Thanks, rab.  :)  I agree that there seems to be some peace between the two boards.  Hopefully everyone is willing to keep it that way. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 04, 2016, 06:43:13 PM
And in the interest of being positive...I wish we could add a shoutbox here. The board infrastructure is sadly outdated
I like good ole Smiley as is. plus we got sandbox. With "shoutbox" it would be redundant.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 04, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
I can see that too, but with shoutbox it is in "real time" chat


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on October 05, 2016, 10:52:02 AM
More than a clunky feature like the Shoutbox, it might be nice to have a real old-style chat room, "living" in its own window and with space for long conversations. Some years ago I loved chat rooms and made friends there. Is it me or after the advent of "Web 2.0" (bah) and "social media" (bleah) the good old chat rooms aren't much in use?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on October 05, 2016, 11:06:47 AM
I remember around 2001 or 2002, the official Doors website had a chat room. That was a lot of fun.  ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 05, 2016, 11:10:16 AM
More than a clunky feature like the Shoutbox, it might be nice to have a real old-style chat room, "living" in its own window and with space for long conversations. Some years ago I loved chat rooms and made friends there. Is it me or after the advent of "Web 2.0" (bah) and "social media" (bleah) the good old chat rooms aren't much in use?

Yeah, I've noticed that


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on October 05, 2016, 07:17:44 PM
It seems that Dirk is out as a Mod.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 05, 2016, 07:30:01 PM
Saw that...decided not to comment publicly on it at this time. He's not going to be making public swipes at me now, so I'll leave it alone.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 05, 2016, 07:31:03 PM
That said...I saw the thread explaining why, and whichever mod "Rob" is, I owe him a debt of gratitude.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 05, 2016, 07:55:51 PM
Quote
whichever mod "Rob" is
Iir, Swedish Frog's name is Rob.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 05, 2016, 08:01:04 PM
Ahhhh...ok. So  he'a Andersson. Makes sense.

Well, if he's reading this...thank you very much. I mean that.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on October 06, 2016, 02:22:25 AM
I've always found Robert Andersson to be most courteous and helpful. The PSF is in good hands. :=) 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 06, 2016, 07:43:13 AM
Agreed...my main issue was with Dirk (and Andrew, but he doesn't  count).  I think now both boards can move on from this ugliness.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Woodstock on October 07, 2016, 11:40:53 PM
Agreed...my main issue was with Dirk (and Andrew, but he doesn't  count).  I think now both boards can move on from this ugliness.

There are 4 mods at PSF. Me, Bubbly Waves, Rob and Dudd.

If anyone of us is gonna start something, it'll be as a satirical swipe and the people who have made the whole community feel so extreme  ;D

And from the beginning weve all been pretty disinterested in discussing this place over there. People are welcome to do it, but I ask the people saying less kind things to just...please stop.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on October 07, 2016, 11:57:35 PM
I'm glad things have blown over, personally


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 08, 2017, 07:35:30 PM
Seems to be interesting times over there. :o


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on February 08, 2017, 07:37:43 PM
Seems to be interesting times over there. :o

In what way?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 08, 2017, 07:45:53 PM
Dudders and Bubbly Waves have stepped down


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 08, 2017, 07:57:05 PM
I'm going to say this and try to make it quick...I don't look at that board often, as for me there is no need to. The times I have, it seemed to me someone suggested Jason aka The Real Beach Boy as a replacement mod. That would be a HUGE mistake, and not just because he is intolerant of those who don't share his right-wing views.  He was removed as mod here for a good reason; I used to get along okay with him until I unfriended him on Facebook because I got tired of seeing anti-Semitic posts.

The darkly hilarious part to me is that when he was here, he was ALWAYS trying to get Andrew Doe banned, and I like a schmuck wouldn't listen. Course, now he kisses his ass, so whatever.

That said, I feel bad for those who really are only there to talk about the music. I see some are being dishonest about their banning, but I'm going to leave that alone for now.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on February 08, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
looks like dark times ahead, or maybe just a readjustment.  Some key people moving away doesn't show any good signs though.
I don't know what's happening internally, but it's a shame. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 08, 2017, 08:06:10 PM
Yeah. Although there are some people there that I despise, I don't hold any ill will towards the majority of the members there, so I hope whomever is made a replacement is the right choice for them.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on February 08, 2017, 09:20:18 PM
Somebody did indeed ask Jason if he was up to the task of moderator. I don't think there has been an answer as of yet.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 08, 2017, 09:33:29 PM
That would be the worst mistake they can make. I don't care if it is a "rival board" or not...I'm not saying this as Billy the Mod, I'm saying this as Billy the human being....I hope they don't make that choice. Heck, just a glance at how the board was going when he was mod, with some of the issues that happened, well, that speaks volumes. I let myself wrapped up into it, and I have a hard time forgiving myself for that. It's one of the reasons Rob was let back, because he got screwed over.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on February 08, 2017, 10:36:54 PM
I'm going to say this and try to make it quick...I don't look at that board often, as for me there is no need to. The times I have, it seemed to me someone suggested Jason aka The Real Beach Boy as a replacement mod. That would be a HUGE mistake, and not just because he is intolerant of those who don't share his right-wing views.  He was removed as mod here for a good reason; I used to get along okay with him until I unfriended him on Facebook because I got tired of seeing anti-Semitic posts.

The darkly hilarious part to me is that when he was here, he was ALWAYS trying to get Andrew Doe banned, and I like a schmuck wouldn't listen. Course, now he kisses his ass, so whatever.

That said, I feel bad for those who really are only there to talk about the music. I see some are being dishonest about their banning, but I'm going to leave that alone for now.

That was me. To be fair, I wasn't around during his time as a mod here, but he's always seemed pretty nice to me, even if he gets a bit heated in the political threads.

Besides, I made a similar remark awhile ago, and he said he wasn't interested. In this case, it was just a spur of the moment idea, based on the fact that two mods have just stepped down.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 08, 2017, 11:08:35 PM
Thanks for your response.  I got to clarify that he himself wasn't making those remarks, but people on his friends list. That said, he not once stood up for me while his buddies would go off on me for having different opinions than them). He did a lot of times make comments here that I didn't agree with but I always used to make excuses for him.  I thought we were still on decent terms until I saw him taking pot shots. Then, a few banned members started logging in again (including one who posted), and they would ONLY log in at the same time he was logged in. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. 

I hope whomever you guys choose, it's the right choice. If I may be as bold to make a suggestion,  go for one of the pole who ONLY posts about the music and doesn't take shots at anyone, even if the person who is taking shots at people shares your views. Someone like bonnie bella, those types of members, they would be better picks than people like Jason or Dirk.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on February 08, 2017, 11:29:51 PM
get BonnieBella onboard! she's the stuff!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on February 08, 2017, 11:41:47 PM
I'd do it.  ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 09, 2017, 01:50:54 AM
get BonnieBella onboard! she's the stuff!
I like her posts there and when she posted here too.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: undercover-m on February 09, 2017, 02:17:37 AM
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Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on February 09, 2017, 05:01:50 AM
As an outsider (not knowing anyone involved in these disputes personally) BOTH forums seem completely batshit crazy to me at the moment.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 09, 2017, 06:31:05 AM
As an outsider (not knowing anyone involved in these disputes personally) BOTH forums seem completely batshit crazy to me at the moment.

Could you provide some of your reasoning or examples behind that statement in terms of this forum being "batshit crazy at the moment"?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 09, 2017, 06:34:21 AM
Also, I'd think this is not the place to be nominating moderators for another forum. If we want to have THAT discussion, say the word and we'll have that discussion the right way and with all pertinent history and facts from what happened here. In this specific case, there is something pertinent that can be mentioned.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on February 09, 2017, 07:45:27 AM
Well, I did a fast tour there and couldn't help noticing two things. Several posters there seem to be convinced that joining "there" means to be banned "here".
Er... Captain? Cincinnati Kid? KDS? Jay? Bringahorseinhere? Bubbly Waves?
Worse, there I have read, several times, sentences like "people are better here" or even less flattering (for us) variations on that. Really folks? People are "better" on PSF? Do you think life is so easy?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on February 09, 2017, 08:02:38 AM
As an outsider (not knowing anyone involved in these disputes personally) BOTH forums seem completely batshit crazy to me at the moment.
Neither of the two forums seems to me anything like "batshit crazy". They both sound quite tame and reasonable, especially if compared to Internet standards.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on February 09, 2017, 08:06:35 AM
Well, I did a fast tour there and can't help to notice two things. Several posters there seem to be convinced that joining "there" means to be banned "here".
Er... Captain? Cincinnati Kid? Jay? Bringahorseinhere? Bubbly Waves?
Worse, there I have read, several times, sentences like "people are better here" or even less flattering (for us) variations on that. Really folks? People are "better" on PSF? Do you think life is so easy?

Well they're attempting to build a strong community but sadly their member list is full of banned Smiley members (ones who slandered, harassed people, hell one guy even threatened the family members of the administrator of this forum!) so it's obvious they overcompensate with pats on the back and they have to publicly reassure themselves that "the people are better here" because the facts of reality don't back that up. They have to do this to market the board to new members - otherwise the reality would scare most people off. Guitarfool, Billy, and LePage rid this forum of the filth that was dragging it down - and the other forum opened its arms to what Smiley Smile rightfully threw away.

The honeymoon is nearing it's end there - tensions occur and this fan community is complicated as hell (and this shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone). I'm sure idiotic board politics will come up there thanks to members wanting a Mike Love coddled forum (like what was attempted here)...and it will continue to drag that community into a downward spiral.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on February 09, 2017, 08:31:31 AM
Well, I did a fast tour there and can't help to notice two things. Several posters there seem to be convinced that joining "there" means to be banned "here".
Er... Captain? Cincinnati Kid? Jay? Bringahorseinhere? Bubbly Waves?
Worse, there I have read, several times, sentences like "people are better here" or even less flattering (for us) variations on that. Really folks? People are "better" on PSF? Do you think life is so easy?

Well they're attempting to build a strong community but sadly their member list is full of banned Smiley members (ones who slandered, harassed people, hell one guy even threatened the family members of the administrator of this forum!) so it's obvious they overcompensate with pats on the back and they have to publicly reassure themselves that "the people are better here" because the facts of reality don't back that up. They have to do this to market the board to new members - otherwise the reality would scare most people off. Guitarfool, Billy, and LePage rid this forum of the filth that was dragging it down - and the other forum opened its arms to what Smiley Smile rightfully threw away.

The honeymoon is nearing it's end there - tensions occur and this fan community is complicated as hell (and this shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone). I'm sure idiotic board politics will come up there thanks to members wanting a Mike Love coddled forum (like what was attempted here)...and it will continue to drag that community into a downward spiral.

Coddling myKe luHv has a habit of doing that to message boards and with bands, too. Looks like that place is experiencing columnated ruins domino.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 09, 2017, 07:10:43 PM
Can't help but notice how so many if not all of the issues were blamed on the "mods" here on Smiley Smile, yet those same mods from Smiley Smile have no connection whatsoever to the PS forum. Never registered, never posted, zero connection or involvement.

And now there are issues involving some of the same people who were complaining so loudly about the moderation here, now involved in kicking up the dust on a forum which was supposed to be free of all that bad moderation and bad moderators that were blamed for tanking this forum.

Maybe it is those same people who were kicking up the most dust in both cases causing the issues happening now? Maybe it was that or them all along?

Hmmm.

If the new or current mods of the PS forum haven't done so already, I'd recommend buying a HazMat suit and appropriate protective gear. If even half the garbage that happened here has been going on there, the sh*t gets pretty deep.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 09, 2017, 08:38:03 PM
I know you won't believe me, but there's nothing going on "behind the scenes."

I've lost interest in my moderator role, and I am stepping down for someone else to take over.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on February 09, 2017, 09:08:09 PM
Can't help but notice how so many if not all of the issues were blamed on the "mods" here on Smiley Smile, yet those same mods from Smiley Smile have no connection whatsoever to the PS forum. Never registered, never posted, zero connection or involvement.

And now there are issues involving some of the same people who were complaining so loudly about the moderation here, now involved in kicking up the dust on a forum which was supposed to be free of all that bad moderation and bad moderators that were blamed for tanking this forum.

Maybe it is those same people who were kicking up the most dust in both cases causing the issues happening now? Maybe it was that or them all along?

Hmmm.

If the new or current mods of the PS forum haven't done so already, I'd recommend buying a HazMat suit and appropriate protective gear. If even half the garbage that happened here has been going on there, the sh*t gets pretty deep.

Exactly this.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 10, 2017, 03:45:02 PM
Quote
Third-wave feminism is the most cancerous of social justice movements, and is the most anti-human social movement of the last century. I listen to and read the ideas of third-wave misandrist "feminists" and all I hear are euphemisms - the movement itself is a euphemism. "Equality" is now a euphemism for "special privileges." "Gender pay gap" is a euphemism for "I don't take the chances men take or work the hours men work." "My body, my choice" is now a euphemism for "my body, you pay for my choices." "Strong, independent woman" is now a euphemism for "dependopotamus." "Internalized misogyny" is now a euphemism for "that woman won't confirm my bias."

^ Do you want someone who said this as a moderator?  If so, Jason's your man.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on February 10, 2017, 10:24:12 PM
And he just volunteered to be their Mod.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 10, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
Wonder if he'll campaign to ban Andrew like he did here when he was mod. I should've listened!


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 11, 2017, 09:38:28 AM
To borrow a phrase from the 20th Century philosopher Yogi Berra, "it's deja vu all over again". When the "mods" don't sufficiently toe the right lines and look the other way depending on who is acting like an ass and breaking rules, they get blamed rather than those in the cadre of a dozen or so posters actually doing all this crap and with a history of doing it to boot. At some point hopefully the current mods over there, the interim mods over there, or the future mods will start holding a higher standard in terms of members telling the truth and being honest about certain things that happened here and elsewhere instead of allowing members carrying grudges (some dating back a decade or more) to simply invent "facts" out of thin air and post them knowing people who don't know the real history will read and believe...especially considering a lot of the issues being distorted are available and on full display right here in the "sandbox".


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SteveMC on February 12, 2017, 12:32:15 PM
Well, I did a fast tour there and can't help to notice two things. Several posters there seem to be convinced that joining "there" means to be banned "here".
Er... Captain? Cincinnati Kid? Jay? Bringahorseinhere? Bubbly Waves?
Worse, there I have read, several times, sentences like "people are better here" or even less flattering (for us) variations on that. Really folks? People are "better" on PSF? Do you think life is so easy?

Well they're attempting to build a strong community but sadly their member list is full of banned Smiley members (ones who slandered, harassed people, hell one guy even threatened the family members of the administrator of this forum!) so it's obvious they overcompensate with pats on the back and they have to publicly reassure themselves that "the people are better here" because the facts of reality don't back that up. They have to do this to market the board to new members - otherwise the reality would scare most people off. Guitarfool, Billy, and LePage rid this forum of the filth that was dragging it down - and the other forum opened its arms to what Smiley Smile rightfully threw away.

The honeymoon is nearing it's end there - tensions occur and this fan community is complicated as hell (and this shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone). I'm sure idiotic board politics will come up there thanks to members wanting a Mike Love coddled forum (like what was attempted here)...and it will continue to drag that community into a downward spiral.
Well, you nailed it.

 I have never been harassed here yet over there they are paranoid about everything. The few decent people over there seem totally helpless as it all crashes in around them.
It takes awhile to fully understand what's going on.  They cannibalize themselves.  CKid is a spy though, he hates you all.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on February 12, 2017, 04:53:27 PM
get BonnieBella onboard! she's the stuff!
I like her posts there and when she posted here too.

It is quite perplexing that people who were attacked in post, and or, via PM, by Doe and stopped posting here because of him are now active members of the PS Forum.

And that people who were embraced here went there as Mods.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on February 12, 2017, 05:25:26 PM
get BonnieBella onboard! she's the stuff!
I like her posts there and when she posted here too.

It is quite perplexing that people who were attacked in post, and or, via PM, by Doe and stopped posting here because of him are now active members of the PS Forum.

And that people who were embraced here went there as Mods.

+1
More than was ever made public, too...all that.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: harrisonjon on February 13, 2017, 03:20:04 AM
Quote
Third-wave feminism is the most cancerous of social justice movements, and is the most anti-human social movement of the last century. I listen to and read the ideas of third-wave misandrist "feminists" and all I hear are euphemisms - the movement itself is a euphemism. "Equality" is now a euphemism for "special privileges." "Gender pay gap" is a euphemism for "I don't take the chances men take or work the hours men work." "My body, my choice" is now a euphemism for "my body, you pay for my choices." "Strong, independent woman" is now a euphemism for "dependopotamus." "Internalized misogyny" is now a euphemism for "that woman won't confirm my bias."

^ Do you want someone who said this as a moderator?  If so, Jason's your man.

Is his surname Miller?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 16, 2017, 09:24:21 AM
No, Couchman.



Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: thorgil on February 20, 2017, 03:59:11 AM
Sometimes I get the misguided feeling that we here, and especially the Mods, are too hard on "them".Then I "lurk" there and read this gem:
"Perhaps I'm missing out on the big picture here, but are PM's that big of an issue at PSF?  I know they are over at Smiley, but then that whole place is vile; what would one expect?"

Unchallenged, of course.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on February 20, 2017, 05:22:56 AM
Sometimes I get the misguided feeling that we here, and especially the Mods, are too hard on "them".Then I "lurk" there and read this gem:
"Perhaps I'm missing out on the big picture here, but are PM's that big of an issue at PSF?  I know they are over at Smiley, but then that whole place is vile; what would one expect?"

Unchallenged, of course.

Maybe it's unchallenged because a fatuous remark like that only deserves to be ignored.   

I still feel that the only answer is to drop out of the conversation. Just stop. If one side badmouths the other but the other doesn't respond, sooner or later that one side will give up.

Maybe that's naive but in the present situation there's no way one side is going to beat the other into submission. To believe that really would be naive!     


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on February 20, 2017, 08:24:23 AM
Sometimes I get the misguided feeling that we here, and especially the Mods, are too hard on "them".Then I "lurk" there and read this gem:
"Perhaps I'm missing out on the big picture here, but are PM's that big of an issue at PSF?  I know they are over at Smiley, but then that whole place is vile; what would one expect?"

Unchallenged, of course.

Maybe it's unchallenged because a fatuous remark like that only deserves to be ignored.   

I still feel that the only answer is to drop out of the conversation. Just stop. If one side badmouths the other but the other doesn't respond, sooner or later that one side will give up.

Maybe that's naive but in the present situation there's no way one side is going to beat the other into submission. To believe that really would be naive!     

Honestly I wouldn't care if the PSF existed as a separate forum. I post on other Beach Boys forums and I really don't see it as a pissing match. To me it's not about beating one side. It's about exposing facts that MANY people ignore or deny. Sadly so many over there don't care (or know) they share the board with people who presently act like adults but have a clear history of f***ed up behavior.

I feel like I lost some really good friends because of this situation. I was told to let it go, life goes on, etc. And I really don't buy the excuses I was told as to why certain people were allowed on that forum even though those certain people prove to be abysmally sickening people (through documented evidence).

Again, I don't care that forums exist separately and I think friendly competition between boards can bring out the best in research and dialogue about this great band. But I'll continue to call out that forum as long as they harbor those people. And once they clear that place of people who mock the medical condition of a family member of a poster I will probably join up there. Until then I won't contribute to enforcing people getting away with really shitty behavior and I'll continue to call it out.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 28, 2017, 06:43:14 PM
So.....A year on. Wasn't it predicted thie SS board would go belly up by now?

At the time of this post, SS 59 viewing, PS 14 viewing.

Happy anniversary anyway PSF


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on May 28, 2017, 06:45:55 PM
So.....A year on. Wasn't it predicted thie SS board would go belly up by now?

At the time of this post, SS 59 viewing, PS 14 viewing.

Happy anniversary anyway PSF

Yup.

Good part is the in-fighting here has pretty much stopped. They have their board, we have ours. Best part is both boards are talking mainly about the music; even though there are completely different viewpoints, that's as good an outcome as any.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jay on May 29, 2017, 12:47:28 AM
Nicely put. I'm still sad with how things turned out, but I guess if we all still listen and love The Beach Boys it's all good.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: 37!ws (hint: turn it upside-down) on June 21, 2017, 08:03:00 PM
Both should coexist peacefully. There's no reason they can't.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 22, 2017, 03:07:53 AM
Both should coexist peacefully. There's no reason they can't.

Absolutely. It's good to see posters gravitating towards the forum that suits them best.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on June 22, 2017, 03:12:44 AM
I like being a whore and spreading myself all over every forum.
I'm the John Holmes of Beach Boy land.  :lol


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 22, 2017, 03:40:10 AM
I like being a whore and spreading myself all over every forum.
I'm the John Holmes of Beach Boy land.  :lol

Haven't heard that name in a while. ;D

That's the best policy of all. :=)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Dudd on June 22, 2017, 08:50:32 AM
Aw.  :-D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 22, 2017, 08:55:16 AM
It's a love thang! :-D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on June 28, 2017, 06:21:40 AM
I like being a whore and spreading myself all over every forum.

That's the best policy of all. :=)

Seriously, I really respect posters like Emdeeh (and Mr. Horse) who post where and when they like.

This is not for me----no self-confidence. ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Juice Brohnston on July 05, 2017, 09:04:02 AM
So.....A year on. Wasn't it predicted thie SS board would go belly up by now?

At the time of this post, SS 59 viewing, PS 14 viewing.

Happy anniversary anyway PSF

Yup.

Good part is the in-fighting here has pretty much stopped. They have their board, we have ours. Best part is both boards are talking mainly about the music; even though there are completely different viewpoints, that's as good an outcome as any.
Yes, It reminds one of CNN vs Fox News, lol.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 09, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
Quote
posters like Emdeeh
Now she's mentioned - I laughed reading that PS thread about usernames; she said Emdeeh is her name "phoneticized" - M D H. Haha, really? Shouldn't it be "Em Dee Aych? I mean every fool can figure this out, right? She must change it to Emdeeaych, easy task.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on July 10, 2017, 02:05:46 AM
Quote
posters like Emdeeh
Now she's mentioned - I laughed reading that PS thread about usernames; she said Emdeeh is her name "phoneticized" - M D H. Haha, really? Shouldn't it be "Em Dee Aych? I mean every fool can figure this out, right? She must change it to Emdeeaych, easy task.

I'm sure Emdeeh has better things to do. Maybe you do too. ;D


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: feelsflow on July 10, 2017, 06:42:46 AM
The best idea is to like what you post wherever you post what you post.  And best to be happy while you are doing it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: JK on July 10, 2017, 06:51:29 AM
The best idea is to like what you post wherever you post what you post.  And best to be happy while you are doing it.

That's the spirit, Will. Long time no see! 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 10, 2017, 07:14:09 AM
2JK: What better things Emdeeh or smb. else does I couldn't care less, I'm lonely selfish creature. :3d Just said it's stupid to post in Username thread & bizzarrely write "My name is phoneticized" when the "h" is not. It's sth. that caught attention, you know.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Emdeeh on August 09, 2017, 05:42:06 PM
Who said the "h" is silent?   ;D


Title: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 09:26:16 AM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 29, 2017, 09:31:07 AM
I liked the response he gave to Doe especially. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 09:35:51 AM
I liked the response he gave to Doe especially. 

Right?? And no one there could handle it. Nice safe space they’ve created there.

Whats funny to me is that AGD recently went after a member of ours here, calling her names, mocking her musical tastes - makes an entire thread for this - and gets off scott free. Bob here makes two posts, both very reasonable and the leadership shuts him down for good. Great consistency they’ve got.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 29, 2017, 11:10:07 AM
 A new member there seems to have picked up on that


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 11:20:32 AM
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

“We talk about the band, not each other” - DrBeachBoy

What a load of crap. Andrew talks smack about an individual (starts an entire thread, name calls, makes fun of this person’s musical taste) and walks clean. The leadership there is trying to keep as many members as they can get - ban Andrew and his followers would cry and whine like they did here then leave in a huff. PS forum can’t have that so they’re selling out the most simple moral principles just to keep some members.

The hypocrisy is mind blowing.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 29, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
"The Lovester" called it out, as well


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 11:37:19 AM
"The Lovester" called it out, as well

Nice! I hope this blows up.

I might join the forum just for a moment to back these people up.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: HeyJude on November 29, 2017, 01:16:26 PM
I'm not sure where this question goes, so I'll plop it down here. Has AGD reviewed Mike's new album, or commented on it in any detailed fashion?

I recall pretty blunt reviews of many a BW album, so I'm curious why I haven't been able to find anything on Mike's album. I may just be missing it.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on November 29, 2017, 01:36:27 PM
A new member there seems to have picked up on that

I don't think it's a new member based on the posts I've seen.  I would have given AGD a timeout, but I'm not a mod.  It seems the people they chose to be mods are never around anyway. 


Title: Re: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on November 29, 2017, 01:37:53 PM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.

Both of "Bob's" questions were answered.  He was banned because he's a previously banned member who keeps trying to troll that forum. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 01:54:21 PM
A new member there seems to have picked up on that

I don't think it's a new member based on the posts I've seen.  I would have given AGD a timeout, but I'm not a mod.  It seems the people they chose to be mods are never around anyway. 

Yeesh, based off of his history I would’ve booted him the second I saw his name on that forum. But again, they’re trying their best to keep members, not actually create a place that has an impartial set of rules.


Title: Re: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 01:57:21 PM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.

Both of "Bob's" questions were answered.  He was banned because he's a previously banned member who keeps trying to troll that forum.  

Yeah. “Answered”. Doe does as much rewriting of history as the guy he lunches with. It’ll fool new fans that join there, hope the leadership is proud of what they’ve done.

And yeah, it probably is SweetDudeJim, but I doubt there was actual evidence to prove it - which just goes to show that if you challenge Andrew you’ll just be labeled “SweetDudeJim” and banned swiftly. Gotta keep protecting Andrew, like he was here for years. ...edit; to add to this last sentence, I totally get why what happened here for years happened, but the guys who now run PS forum saw exactly what happened and are allowing it to happen AGAIN...which is unreal to me.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 29, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
A new member there seems to have picked up on that

I don't think it's a new member based on the posts I've seen.  I would have given AGD a timeout, but I'm not a mod.  It seems the people they chose to be mods are never around anyway. 

I was referring to the new female poster, not the dude.


Title: Re: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on November 29, 2017, 03:02:49 PM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.

Both of "Bob's" questions were answered.  He was banned because he's a previously banned member who keeps trying to troll that forum.  

Yeah. “Answered”. Doe does as much rewriting of history as the guy he lunches with. It’ll fool new fans that join there, hope the leadership is proud of what they’ve done.

And yeah, it probably is SweetDudeJim, but I doubt there was actual evidence to prove it - which just goes to show that if you challenge Andrew you’ll just be labeled “SweetDudeJim” and banned swiftly. Gotta keep protecting Andrew, like he was here for years. ...edit; to add to this last sentence, I totally get why what happened here for years happened, but the guys who now run PS forum saw exactly what happened and are allowing it to happen AGAIN...which is unreal to me.

Well, nothing AGD said there was rewriting history.  Regardless of who Bob is, it most definitely was someone from here trying to troll the board. 


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on November 29, 2017, 03:03:13 PM
A new member there seems to have picked up on that

I don't think it's a new member based on the posts I've seen.  I would have given AGD a timeout, but I'm not a mod.  It seems the people they chose to be mods are never around anyway. 

I was referring to the new female poster, not the dude.

So was I.


Title: Re: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 29, 2017, 04:35:25 PM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.

Both of "Bob's" questions were answered.  He was banned because he's a previously banned member who keeps trying to troll that forum.  

Yeah. “Answered”. Doe does as much rewriting of history as the guy he lunches with. It’ll fool new fans that join there, hope the leadership is proud of what they’ve done.

And yeah, it probably is SweetDudeJim, but I doubt there was actual evidence to prove it - which just goes to show that if you challenge Andrew you’ll just be labeled “SweetDudeJim” and banned swiftly. Gotta keep protecting Andrew, like he was here for years. ...edit; to add to this last sentence, I totally get why what happened here for years happened, but the guys who now run PS forum saw exactly what happened and are allowing it to happen AGAIN...which is unreal to me.

Well, nothing AGD said there was rewriting history.  Regardless of who Bob is, it most definitely was someone from here trying to troll the board. 

Well upon reading it again, AGD didn’t answer his question, and completely whitewashed what Bob was obviously talking about (the bullshit about the adoption that was spread, and the other rumors).

I hope Bob was someone from here trying to ask a simple question that’s apparently too much for Andrew or the leadership to handle.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 29, 2017, 07:54:51 PM
This happening is a surprise? That board is there so no one can challenge the bullshit that was spread here for years under the guise of private messages when not stated openly, to allow assholes to behave like assholes unchecked, and to give banned members who violated the rules here a place to do what they do.

Simple as that. The admin self-destructed months into the place's existence, and turned on the moderators there.

No thanks. f*** 'em.


Title: Re: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 29, 2017, 07:56:26 PM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.

Both of "Bob's" questions were answered.  He was banned because he's a previously banned member who keeps trying to troll that forum.  

Yeah. “Answered”. Doe does as much rewriting of history as the guy he lunches with. It’ll fool new fans that join there, hope the leadership is proud of what they’ve done.

And yeah, it probably is SweetDudeJim, but I doubt there was actual evidence to prove it - which just goes to show that if you challenge Andrew you’ll just be labeled “SweetDudeJim” and banned swiftly. Gotta keep protecting Andrew, like he was here for years. ...edit; to add to this last sentence, I totally get why what happened here for years happened, but the guys who now run PS forum saw exactly what happened and are allowing it to happen AGAIN...which is unreal to me.

Well, nothing AGD said there was rewriting history.  Regardless of who Bob is, it most definitely was someone from here trying to troll the board. 

Well upon reading it again, AGD didn’t answer his question, and completely whitewashed what Bob was obviously talking about (the bullshit about the adoption that was spread, and the other rumors).

I hope Bob was someone from here trying to ask a simple question that’s apparently too much for Andrew or the leadership to handle.

Anyone save "Bob's" posts? Repost 'em here. For laughs and old times sake.


Title: Re: Shoutout to Bob Belcher on the PS forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 29, 2017, 08:11:19 PM
Whether it be SweetDudeJim or someone else from here or elsewhere. Too bad certain people, including the leadership there, can’t handle a simple question. Like two very honest questions from Bob and you’d think the whole house of cards was about to tumble down.

Both of "Bob's" questions were answered.  He was banned because he's a previously banned member who keeps trying to troll that forum.  

Yeah. “Answered”. Doe does as much rewriting of history as the guy he lunches with. It’ll fool new fans that join there, hope the leadership is proud of what they’ve done.

And yeah, it probably is SweetDudeJim, but I doubt there was actual evidence to prove it - which just goes to show that if you challenge Andrew you’ll just be labeled “SweetDudeJim” and banned swiftly. Gotta keep protecting Andrew, like he was here for years. ...edit; to add to this last sentence, I totally get why what happened here for years happened, but the guys who now run PS forum saw exactly what happened and are allowing it to happen AGAIN...which is unreal to me.

Bingo. Spot on. Happy all that crap is permanently wiped off this board.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 29, 2017, 08:30:58 PM
Doe getting away with murder here was my fault. He tricked me into thinking I was his "friend " and I stupidly let that color my decision making for too long. I regret that. Him making death threats via pm? I didn't believe they were true until I actually saw them. Never mind the other stuff, that right there was enough.

I laugh at the idea that sweetdudejim made more than 1 account and got away with it. I know of a few here that do it,  but so far the ones that did haven't caused any trouble.  You'd think it would have been flagged (not just by ip,  there are other ways too). But all I know is if I had ever done anything like that, I'd directly as things like "so, why did you make a snide comment about so and so* smoking so much weed, he's almost as developmently disabled as his son?" No beating around the bush, no hinting around. There would be no question it was me.  That's a hypothetical,  of course

*-an actual comment, name not posted for obvious reasons


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on November 30, 2017, 05:55:38 AM
Doe doing his job...
http://beachboys.boards.net/thread/1973/beach-playing-hampton-court-festival?page=1&scrollTo=47867


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Silken on November 30, 2017, 06:21:39 AM
Hey guys,
Why do you care so much about what happens at PSF? Why don't you just forget about the existence of PSF and enjoy the music?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: CM Punky Brewster on November 30, 2017, 07:56:43 AM
Ballsy of Doe to challenge Peter. I wasn't expecting that at all.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: rab2591 on November 30, 2017, 08:02:00 AM
Hey guys,
Why do you care so much about what happens at PSF? Why don't you just forget about the existence of PSF and enjoy the music?

Because it’s about the fan community as a whole. Just last month, a fellow fan of this band got called a “halfwit” and “maroon” by someone on the PS forum, an entire thread was made to mock her musical tastes. The person who did all this got preferential treatment and walked away without any repercussion for their actions. This person has a history of, well let’s see: Billy says this same person made a death threat to a fellow member here, we saw he tried to get the IP address of a member here to give to an “interested party”, we saw he made the implication that a member here was Melinda Wilson. He implied that I was lying when I called him out on spreading rumors (which I was right about). Went after Billy with personal attacks. Was banned several times here for going after members. Etc etc. - Its all documented here and you can read it with your own eyes.

Point being, I get tired of seeing this guy get preferential treatment. It’s not fair to the fan community as a whole....especially when members of our fandom are being publicly ridiculed by the guy and he gets away with it.

I hope the PS forum flourishes and that it becomes another place for fans to discuss them music and also factual history about all facets of the band...I really do. But I also hope the leadership there grows a backbone and gets some decency to implement their own rules. Simple moral principles are being overlooked just so the PS forum can keep a few members....and that’s gonna hurt the fandom in the long run.

Again, it’s not about the PS forum, it’s about the fandom as a whole.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: SMiLE Brian on November 30, 2017, 08:10:02 AM
AGD's followers are more fans of him than the BBs..... ::)


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on November 30, 2017, 08:41:12 AM
Hey guys,
Why do you care so much about what happens at PSF? Why don't you just forget about the existence of PSF and enjoy the music?

I actually don't care, really. My issue is with Doe,  mainly.  He is a sh*t stirrer of the highest order. Rab above posted some good stuff, but it goes deeper, much deeper. The man quite frankly is sick in the head.  He's got a 1950s attitude towards women and  probably would be more at home grunting and swinging a club at a sabre toothed tigre. The worst part is, he "befriends" people while betraying the trust of those he previously called "friend". It's what he does.  The public and private personas are completely different. .


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 30, 2017, 08:43:54 AM
Hey guys,
Why do you care so much about what happens at PSF? Why don't you just forget about the existence of PSF and enjoy the music?

Because there was never a resolution, never an apology from certain people or even an admission that they did anything wrong or were at fault for anything that happened which tore people apart, and above all the fact that blatant lies were told and spread publicly about what did happen which became accepted as the truth and which still persists despite being totally false. That spans across how and why people got banned here to false rumors and claims made directly against people here, including attempts to destroy them.

All the talk about healing and moving on is fine, but the first step in healing is admitting wrongdoings and owning them, and that has still not happened.

And people are still being duped on a daily basis into believing things and believing people who did not tell the truth about the most basic matters.

That's my beef. I also don't like seeing my friends or me personally smeared with lies that have still not been owned and admitted by those telling them.

My 2 cents.


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: Jim V. on November 30, 2017, 08:44:37 AM
Who the hell is Bob Belcher?


Title: Re: Pet Sounds Forum
Post by: guitarfool2002 on November 30, 2017, 08:51:05 AM
Hey guys,
Why do you care so much about what happens at PSF? Why don't you just forget about the existence of PSF and enjoy the music?

Because it’s about the fan community as a whole. Just last month, a fellow fan of this band got called a “halfwit” and “maroon” by someone on the PS forum, an entire thread was made to mock her musical tastes. The person who did all this got preferential treatment and walked away without any repercussion for their actions. This person has a history of, well let’s see: Billy says this same person made a death threat to a fellow member here, we saw he tried to get the IP address of a member here to give to an “interested party”, we saw he made the implication that a member here was Melinda Wilson. He implied that I was lying when I called him out on spreading rumors (which I was right about). Went after Billy with personal attacks. Was banned several times here