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Title: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Ang Jones on March 08, 2016, 03:40:35 AM
http://www.uncut.co.uk/uncut-editors-diary/the-ultimate-music-guide-to-the-beach-boys-73042 on sale in the UK on Thursday.

"...there’s an amazing interview with Brian Wilson plucked from a March 1966 edition of NME.....This year, “Pet Sounds” turns 50, and has already been acclaimed once more by Uncut as the greatest album ever (we also, I can now cautiously reveal, pay a visit to his Beverly Hills mansion for an exclusive new interview in the next issue of Uncut itself). As Brian Wilson performs that incredible suite of songs on tour for one final time, it seems the perfect opportunity to put together an Ultimate Music Guide celebrating The Beach Boys."


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 08, 2016, 05:05:15 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 08, 2016, 05:20:22 AM
And yet that wasn't the secret of Ernest Borgnine's longevity... Although maybe he only came when he went...


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: The Shift on March 08, 2016, 05:25:15 AM
Glad I didn't cancel my subscription when they started covering modern day stuf like Springsteen and Donovan…


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 08, 2016, 05:47:35 AM
And yet that wasn't the secret of Ernest Borgnine's longevity... Although maybe he only came when he went...

Ha! Seems like a good way to go!


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on March 08, 2016, 07:08:16 AM
notice Brian's beagle was photo-shopped out of that nice old cover photo (inside the tent), which's a mistake IMO since I always liked the pooch and thought he gave it a nice 'crowning touch' at the top

(I refrain from calling it either Banana or Louie since I've been known to mix-up the two)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Robbie Mac on March 08, 2016, 07:35:31 AM
notice Brian's beagle was photo-shopped out of that nice old cover photo (inside the tent), which's a mistake IMO since I always liked the pooch and thought he gave it a nice 'crowning touch' at the top

(I refrain from calling it either Banana or Louie since I've been known to mix-up the two)

Banana was the beagle, Louie was the weimaraner.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: hideyotsuburaya on March 08, 2016, 07:53:46 AM
the song VEGATABLES (or do you say VEGA-TABLES?) would make an excellent dog food commercial theme IMO, lyrics rewritten to the degree necessary


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Emily on March 08, 2016, 08:57:01 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 08, 2016, 09:02:28 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.


Did Brian challenge the other Boys to a contest, thus inspiring one of the greatest ever episodes of Seinfeld? 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 08, 2016, 09:12:32 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.

If he did, he was doing the abstaining wrong...
(In the 1990s interview, as I recall, he said that his father was the one who'd told him not to orgasm, which conjures up all sorts of unpleasant thoughts when one tries to imagine the conversation. I picture Murry going on a Jack D. Ripper-style rant about women stealing precious bodily fluids, and Brian taking it to heart as fatherly advice...)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Emily on March 08, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.

If he did, he was doing the abstaining wrong...
(In the 1990s interview, as I recall, he said that his father was the one who'd told him not to orgasm, which conjures up all sorts of unpleasant thoughts when one tries to imagine the conversation. I picture Murry going on a Jack D. Ripper-style rant about women stealing precious bodily fluids, and Brian taking it to heart as fatherly advice...)
Oh that's creepy that it came from Murry.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Dudd on March 08, 2016, 09:45:43 AM
Looks like a great read.

Also in regards to the 'secret', this inexplicably comes to mind...

"You know, I was at the piano this morning, kind of writing a song...I don't know why, but I got a hard-on. I had to go to the bathroom and masturbate."

Saturday, June 14, 1986


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: joe_blow on March 08, 2016, 10:26:59 AM
If anyone is in the Vancouver, BC area, do  you know of a place that sells Uncut anymore? I haven't been able to find it in eons!


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Ang Jones on March 08, 2016, 10:30:10 AM
The article does state it will be available online soon.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 08, 2016, 10:36:05 AM
Looks like a great read.

Also in regards to the 'secret', this inexplicably comes to mind...

"You know, I was at the piano this morning, kind of writing a song...I don't know why, but I got a hard-on. I had to go to the bathroom and masturbate."

Saturday, June 14, 1986

That'll be the 30th anniversary of it when I go see Brian in Burlington, yep, on the 14th of June. Nice!

Brian also said once that it "turned him on", although that might not necessarily be sexually, to think that people are listening to his songs anywhere in the world [as we're speaking]. But in the light of that quote from 1986, it just might be sexually.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 08, 2016, 10:37:57 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.

If he did, he was doing the abstaining wrong...
(In the 1990s interview, as I recall, he said that his father was the one who'd told him not to orgasm, which conjures up all sorts of unpleasant thoughts when one tries to imagine the conversation. I picture Murry going on a Jack D. Ripper-style rant about women stealing precious bodily fluids, and Brian taking it to heart as fatherly advice...)

Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: JK on March 08, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?

Found this quote from a 1995 interview in Vox Magazine:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2716.msg51339.html#msg51339

I've seen that issue of Vox on eBay...


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 08, 2016, 01:07:18 PM
Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?

Found this quote from a 1995 interview in Vox Magazine:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2716.msg51339.html#msg51339

I've seen that issue of Vox on eBay...

Thanks!

Boy, did Murry mess up his son(s). But then, Brian has been known to say that he has sex twice a day, everyday, and then none at all. And then some, and then not. I was just reading through the Brianisms appreciation thread and been cracking up on all his contradictions. But it all only makes him more dear to me. These things just feed my love for him.  :love


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on March 08, 2016, 02:21:02 PM
notice Brian's beagle was photo-shopped out of that nice old cover photo (inside the tent), which's a mistake IMO since I always liked the pooch and thought he gave it a nice 'crowning touch' at the top

(I refrain from calling it either Banana or Louie since I've been known to mix-up the two)

The joke in that original photo with Banana is that he's the top dog!  I imagined this photo would be used for the cover when Uncut FINALLY got around to doing the Boys issue.  Didn't imagine though that they would cut out our favorite beagle (apologies to Snoopy).  Banana definitely should have remained Uncut.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Uncle Jesse on March 08, 2016, 07:02:34 PM
Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?

Found this quote from a 1995 interview in Vox Magazine:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2716.msg51339.html#msg51339

I've seen that issue of Vox on eBay...

This honestly might've been one of the weirdest things I've ever read


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 09, 2016, 12:40:30 AM
Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?

Found this quote from a 1995 interview in Vox Magazine:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2716.msg51339.html#msg51339

I've seen that issue of Vox on eBay...

IIRC I have that issue. If it has the remarkable photos of Brian that I can not seem to locate anywhere... the pics are surreas, as if Bri is looking into a laughing mirror. There are a few photos of him that I find especially appealing, BTW, it's the Guy Webster one in b/w, with a very well-dressed Brian looking into the lens with a sombre face. Very stately. There are the ones from Vox, I think the photographer had a Belgian name, it will pop up in my mind some day today. And there is the Matthew Rolston one, again in b/w, in a Rolling Stone anniversay edition with portfolios of a number of rock photographers. Again, the Rolston is hard to locate, otherwise I would put it up here; to be honest, it portrays Brian as being fearful (I put it mildly), as if he is facing his personal demons precisely at the time Rolston took he photo. These are the standout pics for me.

(The finest Dennis photos BTW are the one that adorn the POB gatefold LP sleeve - they capture the mood of the music so well. IIRC that was Guy Webster again as the lensman.)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on March 09, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 10, 2016, 05:00:18 AM
Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?

Found this quote from a 1995 interview in Vox Magazine:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2716.msg51339.html#msg51339

I've seen that issue of Vox on eBay...

IIRC I have that issue. If it has the remarkable photos of Brian that I can not seem to locate anywhere... the pics are surreas, as if Bri is looking into a laughing mirror. There are a few photos of him that I find especially appealing, BTW, it's the Guy Webster one in b/w, with a very well-dressed Brian looking into the lens with a sombre face. Very stately. There are the ones from Vox, I think the photographer had a Belgian name, it will pop up in my mind some day today. And there is the Matthew Rolston one, again in b/w, in a Rolling Stone anniversay edition with portfolios of a number of rock photographers. Again, the Rolston is hard to locate, otherwise I would put it up here; to be honest, it portrays Brian as being fearful (I put it mildly), as if he is facing his personal demons precisely at the time Rolston took he photo. These are the standout pics for me.

(The finest Dennis photos BTW are the one that adorn the POB gatefold LP sleeve - they capture the mood of the music so well. IIRC that was Guy Webster again as the lensman.)

If you ever find those pics you're talking about I'd love to see them posted here... http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23506.0.html


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 10, 2016, 05:44:14 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: JK on March 10, 2016, 06:34:56 AM
I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 

Roy Orbison??


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 10, 2016, 06:38:13 AM
I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 

Roy Orbison??

He's obviously referring to Montreal's Olympic Stadium:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium_(Montreal)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Emily on March 10, 2016, 06:38:44 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 
Sadly, only a very small percentage of women experienced them at all back then.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 10, 2016, 06:46:49 AM
I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 

Roy Orbison??

He's obviously referring to Montreal's Olympic Stadium:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium_(Montreal)
let's go expos! :lol


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 10, 2016, 06:54:29 AM
I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 

Roy Orbison??

He's obviously referring to Montreal's Olympic Stadium:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Stadium_(Montreal)
let's go expos! :lol

Haha. As the great Western actor Hobie Doyle once said, "Would that it were so simple."

It is a shame that the Expos went by way of the Nordiques...


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 10, 2016, 06:56:23 AM
Haha, Yeah hopefully the area of Quebec gets a hockey team back in the next round of NHL expansion. (Las Vegas makes no sense)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 10, 2016, 07:42:08 AM
J'adore ça quand vous parlez du Québec!



Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 10, 2016, 08:59:28 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 
Sadly, only a very small percentage of women experienced them at all back then.

That's very sad for them. 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Emily on March 10, 2016, 09:01:54 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 
Sadly, only a very small percentage of women experienced them at all back then.

That's very sad for them. 
Indeed!


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 10, 2016, 09:12:10 AM
Initial impression - some interesting views, questionable statements and the expected factual goofs. In all, not bad. More considered thoughts later.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 10, 2016, 11:11:57 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 
Sadly, only a very small percentage of women experienced them at all back then.

That's very sad for them. 
Indeed!

I wonder if any great albums came as a result (no pun intended).


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 10, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 
Sadly, only a very small percentage of women experienced them at all back then.

That's very sad for them. 
Indeed!

I wonder if any great albums came as a result (no pun intended).

Love You... maybe abstinence brings forth feelings of love. OK, I admit there's absolutely no logic in this but that was just to plug the following quote:

Brian [from a 1976 interview]: "I wanted to call it 'Brian's In Love'... I don't think they'll go for it though, hahaha"


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 10, 2016, 12:02:00 PM
“The secret [...] is abstaining from orgasm.”  :-D

Can't wait to buy my copy.

Wow, he was talking about that to Rolling Stone in the '70s and then still to NME in the '90s. The idea stuck with him. I wonder if he pulled it off.
Probably, as Marilyn complained about it.

I would think Marilyn would only complain if he made her abstain from the big O. 
Sadly, only a very small percentage of women experienced them at all back then.

That's very sad for them. 
Indeed!

I wonder if any great albums came as a result (no pun intended).

Love You... maybe abstinence brings forth feelings of love. OK, I admit there's absolutely no logic in this but that was just to plug the following quote:

Brian [from a 1976 interview]: "I wanted to call it 'Brian's In Love'... I don't think they'll go for it though, hahaha"

Cat,

I was referring to Emily's point about how many women didn't achieve a big "O" back then, and I was wondering if that resulting in any great female fronted albums. 

Dreamboat Annie maybe? 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 11, 2016, 09:19:10 AM
Reading it now - it's entertaining, but wow some of those star ratings leave a lot to be desired...


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 11, 2016, 12:35:41 PM
Reading it now - it's entertaining, but wow some of those star ratings leave a lot to be desired...

Are you saying it's not worth it? I'd like to know more before I spend 25 $...


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 12, 2016, 12:46:37 AM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 12, 2016, 01:03:10 AM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars

Jesus... Kids today.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: The Shift on March 12, 2016, 01:29:33 AM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars

Jesus... Kids today.

The Here She Comes rating is a-okay with me… check out the bass line, and Ricky's drumming is unsurpassed…

Got a copy yesterday - can't believe editor John Mulvey's clanger, coming in the first few lines of the mag's intro, was allowed to slip through to print. As the whole premise for the mag is the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds and Brian's coming Pet Sounds world tour, it's just wrong on so many levels.

Other than that, it's a feast ;)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 12, 2016, 01:36:40 AM
Do you know if that 1990s interview is available anywhere on the Web?

Found this quote from a 1995 interview in Vox Magazine:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2716.msg51339.html#msg51339

I've seen that issue of Vox on eBay...

IIRC I have that issue. If it has the remarkable photos of Brian that I can not seem to locate anywhere... the pics are surreas, as if Bri is looking into a laughing mirror. There are a few photos of him that I find especially appealing, BTW, it's the Guy Webster one in b/w, with a very well-dressed Brian looking into the lens with a sombre face. Very stately. There are the ones from Vox, I think the photographer had a Belgian name, it will pop up in my mind some day today. And there is the Matthew Rolston one, again in b/w, in a Rolling Stone anniversay edition with portfolios of a number of rock photographers. Again, the Rolston is hard to locate, otherwise I would put it up here; to be honest, it portrays Brian as being fearful (I put it mildly), as if he is facing his personal demons precisely at the time Rolston took he photo. These are the standout pics for me.

(The finest Dennis photos BTW are the one that adorn the POB gatefold LP sleeve - they capture the mood of the music so well. IIRC that was Guy Webster again as the lensman.)

If you ever find those pics you're talking about I'd love to see them posted here... http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,23506.0.html

Ah, nice! I surely will. That I do have that Vox issue is certain; thing is: my mag collection is stored away at the moment after I relocated. But it won't be long. And I must still have the RS with the Rolston pic too, albeit that friends helped to store away a lot of material that was lying around in my then apartment. Will look out for the stuff, scan, and send in within the upcoming month, I hope.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 12, 2016, 07:29:45 AM
Just got mine. A nice read, but some of those star ratings are well out


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: catlag on March 12, 2016, 04:31:49 PM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars

Jesus... Kids today.

The Here She Comes rating is a-okay with me… check out the bass line, and Ricky's drumming is unsurpassed…

Got a copy yesterday - can't believe editor John Mulvey's clanger, coming in the first few lines of the mag's intro, was allowed to slip through to print. As the whole premise for the mag is the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds and Brian's coming Pet Sounds world tour, it's just wrong on so many levels.

Other than that, it's a feast ;)

If He She Comes is a five, then The Trader would have to get 6 stars, which is not possible, so this stars rating is bull----. It's really not necessary for a magazine that produces a special edition that will be bought by fans to tell them how good the songs are. Come on!


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: The Shift on March 12, 2016, 04:54:20 PM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars

Jesus... Kids today.

The Here She Comes rating is a-okay with me… check out the bass line, and Ricky's drumming is unsurpassed…

Got a copy yesterday - can't believe editor John Mulvey's clanger, coming in the first few lines of the mag's intro, was allowed to slip through to print. As the whole premise for the mag is the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds and Brian's coming Pet Sounds world tour, it's just wrong on so many levels.

Other than that, it's a feast ;)

If He She Comes is a five, then The Trader would have to get 6 stars, which is not possible, so this stars rating is bull----. It's really not necessary for a magazine that produces a special edition that will be bought by fans to tell them how good the songs are. Come on!

That last point I can agree with! For a publication it's hard to know how the ratings were decided - whether they're the opinion of that album's reviewer, whether they were arrived at by a era gig out a number of reviews from various sources, or whether they were put together with the purpose of filing fans/sparking debate…. You're right though, bottom line is they aren't necessary.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Emily on March 12, 2016, 05:05:25 PM


That last point I can agree with! For a publication it's hard to know how the ratings were decided - whether they're the opinion of that album's reviewer, whether they were arrived at by a era gig out a number of reviews from various sources, or whether they were put together with the purpose of filing fans/sparking debate…. You're right though, bottom line is they aren't necessary.
you must be on a phone - 'a era gig'


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: The Shift on March 12, 2016, 05:20:35 PM


That last point I can agree with! For a publication it's hard to know how the ratings were decided - whether they're the opinion of that album's reviewer, whether they were arrived at by a era gig out a number of reviews from various sources, or whether they were put together with the purpose of filing fans/sparking debate…. You're right though, bottom line is they aren't necessary.
you must be on a phone - 'a era gig'

You're right… should be "averaging". Many thanks.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 13, 2016, 08:31:43 AM
"or whether they were put together with the purpose of filing fans/sparking debate" - if so, job done, at least in my house.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on March 13, 2016, 12:50:44 PM
Here She Comes is a decidedly mediocre tune, two stars in my judgment :pirate...plus the drums are miked way too up in the mix which gets really annoying.  Farmer's Daughter is an easy 4 stars, if not 5.  Apparently Lindsey liked it!  :pirate


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 14, 2016, 06:02:27 AM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars

On the bright side, I'm glad somebody appreciates the song Christmas Day as much as I do. 



Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on March 21, 2016, 10:27:50 AM
The vintage articles are great fun to read - especially when Dennis is talking/bragging - and the new reviews are well-written and interesting (if not always accurate), but they also give a star rating (out of 5) to each individual song and, well, here are some examples...

Christmas Day - 4 stars
Only With You - 2 stars
Please Let Me Wonder - 3 stars
The Trader - 3 stars
Here She Comes - 5 stars 
Kiss Me Baby - 3 stars
Farmer's Daughter - 2 stars

This must be the same guy who wrote the five-star It's Hard (The Who) album review in Rolling Stone.  >:D


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 21, 2016, 11:10:46 AM
Does anybody know where this might be purchased in the United States?

I tried Barnes and Noble, but they didn't have it.  I'll by flying next week, so this was be a nice thing to have with me. 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: HeyJude on March 21, 2016, 11:40:19 AM
Barnes & Noble does carry these (they currently have U2 ultimate guide), and I've purchased a McCartney edition there (and someone else I know snagged a guide to "The Cure" as well). I think it just takes them a bit longer, maybe as much as another month cycle, to get these imported titles.

I would guess they'll probably have the BB edition, but it might be a few more weeks. It looks you can buy it direct from Uncut's web store, but the shipping to the USA is almost exactly the same cost as the issue itself.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on March 21, 2016, 11:48:15 AM
Barnes & Noble does carry these (they currently have U2 ultimate guide), and I've purchased a McCartney edition there (and someone else I know snagged a guide to "The Cure" as well). I think it just takes them a bit longer, maybe as much as another month cycle, to get these imported titles.

I would guess they'll probably have the BB edition, but it might be a few more weeks. It looks you can buy it direct from Uncut's web store, but the shipping to the USA is almost exactly the same cost as the issue itself.

I did notice they were a month behind on Classic Rock Magazine.  Maybe I'll try again next month.

Thank you


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: mabewa on March 22, 2016, 01:38:46 AM
I bought it here in Japan--have mostly just read the album reviews so far, but it seems like good stuff (even if I disagree with a fair bit!)

One thing I like about it--I have a subscription to Uncut, and I also bought their Byrds Ultimate Guide.  The problem with that one is that it recycles a lot of stuff from past Uncut articles about the Byrds and various members.  So far, I'm not seeing any BB's articles that appeared in any of my earlier Uncut issues, so it's all fresh stuff for a long-term Uncut reader.   


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: JK on March 24, 2016, 02:22:26 PM
I bought it en route to the UK. No revelations to speak of but it made a great holiday read.   


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Mr. Wilson on March 25, 2016, 05:00:57 PM
at the barnes and noble bookstore redlands ca there was no beach boys music guide there yet.. but i did pick up music guides for the byrds and the who.. the who issue was 2.00 more.. but the who issue was larger than the byrds issue...what was nice was there were lots of pictures ive never seen before and interviews.. well worth it to pick these up when you can..  looking forward to the beach boys issue..


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: mabewa on March 30, 2016, 02:27:13 AM
The part where Brian muses about beating up various BB's members is pretty funny...  especially when the interviewer suggests that Al would be the easilst to beat up, and Brian replies that Al is actually a very nice man, but not a very good singer!

He even seems eager to beat up Carl, and also notes that Carl isn't a very good singer either. 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: HeyJude on March 30, 2016, 07:28:13 AM
The part where Brian muses about beating up various BB's members is pretty funny...  especially when the interviewer suggests that Al would be the easilst to beat up, and Brian replies that Al is actually a very nice man, but not a very good singer!

He even seems eager to beat up Carl, and also notes that Carl isn't a very good singer either. 

Strange (or actually not really considering how weird their interviews can get), considering there's that 1985 Brian interview with Westwood One which circulates in its raw form where Brian goes on and on about how mean he thinks Al was to producer Steve Levine during some session, allegedly making Levine "cry" at one point.

What a bunch of weird guys. Lester Bangs was right.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on April 06, 2016, 05:45:13 AM
The part where Brian muses about beating up various BB's members is pretty funny...  especially when the interviewer suggests that Al would be the easilst to beat up, and Brian replies that Al is actually a very nice man, but not a very good singer!

He even seems eager to beat up Carl, and also notes that Carl isn't a very good singer either. 

Strange (or actually not really considering how weird their interviews can get), considering there's that 1985 Brian interview with Westwood One which circulates in its raw form where Brian goes on and on about how mean he thinks Al was to producer Steve Levine during some session, allegedly making Levine "cry" at one point.

What a bunch of weird guys. Lester Bangs was right.

Levine has backed up that story too. 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Matt H on April 06, 2016, 08:30:30 AM
The part where Brian muses about beating up various BB's members is pretty funny...  especially when the interviewer suggests that Al would be the easilst to beat up, and Brian replies that Al is actually a very nice man, but not a very good singer!

He even seems eager to beat up Carl, and also notes that Carl isn't a very good singer either. 

Is that a recent interview?  When was it from?


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Emily on April 06, 2016, 09:16:01 AM
They are weird, but I don't think that this is particularly weird. Who has siblings or people that they've spent multiple days with every week for many years who they haven't at times wanted to beat up and at other times wanted to hug, at times thought they were jerks and other times thought they were the nicest people around?


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: JK on April 06, 2016, 12:22:47 PM
Looking at the stars Uncut awards, I noticed "The Shift" got a paltry two----and no mention at all!

Scandalous, considering the way Brian literally shifts the tonal centre up a whole tone in the third bar of the verse (and the solo) and back down again in the twelfth. How often does that happen? A major pointer to the future, surely...     


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: GhostyTMRS on April 13, 2016, 08:17:26 PM
This was a welcome find at my local Barnes & Noble. Worth it to read and (in many cases) re-read the vintage articles and interviews. I was a little disappointed in how some albums (the first two, for example) were reviewed as a pair...as if Surfing' Safari and Surfing' USA weren't worthy of a full review. Hogwash!


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Eric Aniversario on April 14, 2016, 12:59:40 AM
A good buy overall. Nice to have individual tracks rated (although I don't agree with many ratings). Kind of odd that they don't give the albums ratings though. (They do give the solo albums and group compilations ratings).


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on April 14, 2016, 05:17:39 AM
This was a welcome find at my local Barnes & Noble. Worth it to read and (in many cases) re-read the vintage articles and interviews. I was a little disappointed in how some albums (the first two, for example) were reviewed as a pair...as if Surfing' Safari and Surfing' USA weren't worthy of a full review. Hogwash!

Just curious, did you find it recently?

I looked a couple times last month to no avail. 


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Smilin Ed H on April 14, 2016, 10:08:26 AM
It's a nice read, but some of the ratings are, um, idiosyncratic, to put it mildly.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: 8o8o on April 14, 2016, 11:08:22 AM
Can't believe they printed the artwork of the TWGMTR single instead of the actual album cover! Amateurs!  ;D


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: lostbeachboy on April 14, 2016, 04:37:12 PM
Is it really that hard to get facts straight with this band? This is prolly the 4th or 5th publication that I've come across with sh*t wrong.. Incorrect dates, mirror images. It's not that difficult.

According to this article Al went to pharmacy school...


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 17, 2016, 12:04:43 AM
I took another look at this magazine today when I was at Hastings. Specifically was reading the chapter on Brian's solo cd's. I thought the writing was very poor, there was one word the writer kept using to describe songs...chugging. Everything was "chugging".


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on April 17, 2016, 01:57:48 PM
I took another look at this magazine today when I was at Hastings. Specifically was reading the chapter on Brian's solo cd's. I thought the writing was very poor, there was one word the writer kept using to describe songs...chugging. Everything was "chugging".

mebbe he had just listened to Chug-a-Lug!


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Ian on April 17, 2016, 03:16:15 PM
If I can blow my own horn what I noticed was that of the photos were accurately dated for a change. I knew a guy at Getty archives and when I told him about three years ago that most of their photos on their site were inaccurately dated and that as a result they were turning up in magazines with those dates, he let me provide him with more accurate dates for a lot of them and corrected the info.  For example the photo of Brian singing with Marilyn and Dianne at a showcase for the flame in July 1970 is finally dated right


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 17, 2016, 11:44:11 PM
I took another look at this magazine today when I was at Hastings. Specifically was reading the chapter on Brian's solo cd's. I thought the writing was very poor, there was one word the writer kept using to describe songs...chugging. Everything was "chugging".

mebbe he had just listened to Chug-a-Lug!
It reminded me of a concert review (written by a friend) where everything was "certainly"; "Tall Cool One was certainly a highlight"; "Ormsby's vocals were certainly exciting"; "it was certainly nice to hear the band dig up some lesser played gems'; "the crowd certainly got their money's worth".


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: HeyJude on April 18, 2016, 07:24:33 AM
I picked this up at Barnes & Noble yesterday, so it has hit California. B&N stores are usually relatively uniform, so I would imagine it's in most stores or will soon be there.

I've only read some of the sections; it's certainly a fun and light read. Some of the contemporary interviews and reviews are quite interesting to read (and then there's Brian's circa 1995 interview that treads firmly into "TMI" territory).

The album recaps/ratings are a mixed bag. I'm actually surprised the song-by-song ratings aren't too wacky. There are definitely some "huh?" moments, but not as many as I thought there would be.

I would agree that the actual writing for some of the individual album articles is rather "meh." Some of them sound a bit book report-ish, like someone in high school grabbed AGD's ComGuide, googled around for five minutes, and wrote the article as a book report for class.

I'm not sure all of the writers were that enamored or even interested in going into some of the albums. An occasional factoid or trivia bit in some of the articles sounded dubious to me as well.

But so few things like this exist for the BBs, so I'm happy with it I suppose, as a curio if nothing else.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: KDS on April 18, 2016, 07:25:29 AM
Thanks for the tip HJ,

I'm likely going to be near a B&N by the end of the week, so I'll check it out.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 18, 2016, 07:54:21 PM
I picked this up at Barnes & Noble yesterday, so it has hit California. B&N stores are usually relatively uniform, so I would imagine it's in most stores or will soon be there.

I've only read some of the sections; it's certainly a fun and light read. Some of the contemporary interviews and reviews are quite interesting to read (and then there's Brian's circa 1995 interview that treads firmly into "TMI" territory).

The album recaps/ratings are a mixed bag. I'm actually surprised the song-by-song ratings aren't too wacky. There are definitely some "huh?" moments, but not as many as I thought there would be.

I would agree that the actual writing for some of the individual album articles is rather "meh." Some of them sound a bit book report-ish, like someone in high school grabbed AGD's ComGuide, googled around for five minutes, and wrote the article as a book report for class.

I'm not sure all of the writers were that enamored or even interested in going into some of the albums. An occasional factoid or trivia bit in some of the articles sounded dubious to me as well.

But so few things like this exist for the BBs, so I'm happy with it I suppose, as a curio if nothing else.
I remember reading that Brian interview when it came out in '95; right at the same time, there was one in Pulse Magazine. In Pulse, he's talking about how he wants to record with his group - BB's - again; in the other interview, he can't bring himself to say anything good about the guys. I wondered at the time 'is he off his meds?" Seriously. His moods seemed so wildly inconsistent. I don't know what was going on with him, but it stung to read stuff like "Carl is an ---hole".


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: HeyJude on April 19, 2016, 07:35:07 AM
It just strikes me as two extremes. Especially in that weird post-Landy 90s timeframe, Brian had a weird relationship with the guys. I find it totally plausible that he wanted to work with them, and thought they were a-holes. Maybe the other guys felt the same about Brian, and each other, sometimes.

Where's that detailed recounting of one of the "reunion" sessions from circa 1995 where both Mike and Brian seem rather antagonistic (sometimes seemingly partly jokingly, other times maybe not) towards each other?

I think they were all still stuck in that push and pull between the Dennis-style idea of "Brian is the Beach Boys" versus "Brian hasn't done squat with us or for us in recent years and we've put all the work in." Even many years later, wasn't it Bruce Johnston that said he felt the BB's showing up at those Paley sessions was just a "courtesy" they were nice enough to pay to Brian?

It seems like, understandably, the guys struggled with how much they should continue to feel they owed *everything* to Brian. As the rest of the band splintered, they went in different directions. Al humbled himself and didn't try to pretend he or the other guys were on the same level as Brian. Mike (and Bruce largely as well) have chosen the "Mike was just as important" train of thought, which is of course both convenient and logical in their position.

Carl's feelings by the mid-late 90s are less clear, and probably much more complex. There are anecdotes suggesting he wasn't interested in blindly deferring to Brian (e.g. Carl reportedly being the one who took most issue with the Paley material), but also examples where Carl was working more closely with Brian at least on occasion than the other guys (e.g. appearing in the Don Was doc alongside Brian, doing some mid 90s sessions with Brian including "Proud Mary", etc.)


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 19, 2016, 04:36:21 PM
It just strikes me as two extremes. Especially in that weird post-Landy 90s timeframe, Brian had a weird relationship with the guys. I find it totally plausible that he wanted to work with them, and thought they were a-holes. Maybe the other guys felt the same about Brian, and each other, sometimes.

Where's that detailed recounting of one of the "reunion" sessions from circa 1995 where both Mike and Brian seem rather antagonistic (sometimes seemingly partly jokingly, other times maybe not) towards each other?

I think they were all still stuck in that push and pull between the Dennis-style idea of "Brian is the Beach Boys" versus "Brian hasn't done squat with us or for us in recent years and we've put all the work in." Even many years later, wasn't it Bruce Johnston that said he felt the BB's showing up at those Paley sessions was just a "courtesy" they were nice enough to pay to Brian?

It seems like, understandably, the guys struggled with how much they should continue to feel they owed *everything* to Brian. As the rest of the band splintered, they went in different directions. Al humbled himself and didn't try to pretend he or the other guys were on the same level as Brian. Mike (and Bruce largely as well) have chosen the "Mike was just as important" train of thought, which is of course both convenient and logical in their position.

Carl's feelings by the mid-late 90s are less clear, and probably much more complex. There are anecdotes suggesting he wasn't interested in blindly deferring to Brian (e.g. Carl reportedly being the one who took most issue with the Paley material), but also examples where Carl was working more closely with Brian at least on occasion than the other guys (e.g. appearing in the Don Was doc alongside Brian, doing some mid 90s sessions with Brian including "Proud Mary", etc.)
I think the account I read of that session was in ESQ, Cindy Lee Berryhill was the author. Mike was saying something about "Soul Searchin", something like "why is Carl singing this? Why don't we have any great Brian Wilson leads anymore?" and Brian basically told Mike to shut up. There was also some comment by Mike about another lawsuit. I'd have to dig that issue out to be sure.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on April 19, 2016, 09:14:55 PM
I'm just in the process of reading it now. not bad, but there's some errors, such as the statement that Brian didn't appear live with the Beach Boys for 12 years after the 1964 breakdown. We know he did in early '65, in 1967 in Hawaii, in early 1970 in the Northwest, later that year at the Whiskey A-Go-Go, that Flame showcase mentioned above and an encore or two in the early 1970s.
The mag also says Murry Wilson never attended another session after the Help Me Rhonda debacle. Did he co-produce Breakaway remotely? Did Stephen Desper imagine Murry digging his nails into his shoulder? And then there's the page 1 mistake mentioned above, dating a Brian interview as March 1965 when it should have been 1966.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: Joel Goldenberg on April 26, 2016, 05:04:30 AM
Found another mistake on one of the last pages. Says Bruce produced MIU-the one album between 1965 and 1979 he wasn't on at all!
Also makes mention of a stereo Today being collectible. They still haven't figured out in England it was Duophonic. Must have been that stereo designation on the EMI cover.


Title: Re: Uncut Ultimate Guide to the Beach Boys
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on May 28, 2016, 12:45:00 AM
I'm a bit behind on this issue, but picked up a copy today.  Lot's of great pics, havn't read it yet, but nice to see a 120 page magazine out on the 'guys'.
It's a great for guys discovering the band to get a glimpse at least, and to find out more about them.