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Title: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 19, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
Thought You guys Might enjoy this! It is the full concert in great quality as if it was on an official album! The Concert was to promote the new Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of The Beach Boys album.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUuAhzh3pLViUaa210mIYhR

Don't forget to check out all of my rare live songs and other unreleased songs and alternate beach boys material!  

And here are the rehearsals!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: SteveMC on January 19, 2016, 08:55:06 AM
Thanks for sharing, this is most excellent.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on January 19, 2016, 08:59:07 AM
 +1   :)


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: J.G. Dev on January 19, 2016, 10:03:31 AM
Wow, thanks for linking that. I Saw them the next night. What a fantastic tour.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on January 19, 2016, 11:14:38 AM
Other than C50, I'd say this was probably the best post-1975 tour/show they ever put together.

It would be nearly perfect were it not for the sub-par drums and, though unavoidable, the rather late 80s-sounding synths/keyboards.

I think there's an audience recording from a few days prior (11/21 in PA?) that might be a slightly better performance (Al totally kills it on "You Still Believe In Me"), but obviously the NYC soundboard has much better sound quality (to the point of being dry and having little audience noise at all).


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: SteveMC on January 19, 2016, 11:23:27 AM
I really like the 1980 Knebworth show with the full band w/ Dennis & Brian & Carl.

Other than C50, I'd say this was probably the best post-1975 tour/show they ever put together.

It would be nearly perfect were it not for the sub-par drums and, though unavoidable, the rather late 80s-sounding synths/keyboards.

I think there's an audience recording from a few days prior (11/21 in PA?) that might be a slightly better performance (Al totally kills it on "You Still Believe In Me"), but obviously the NYC soundboard has much better sound quality (to the point of being dry and having little audience noise at all).


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 19, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
I plan on posting all the rare rehearsals tomorrow so stay tuned to my channel! the rehearsals are of the rare songs played at the concert!

Very good recording from being from the 90's


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 19, 2016, 12:14:53 PM
Have wanted to hear this for awhile. Thanks!

Can anyone recommend a safe way to store these clips? I use to use iLivid but I have removed it due to a computer meltdown.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 19, 2016, 12:29:43 PM
http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
I like to use this site to get the file of the song!


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on January 19, 2016, 12:58:40 PM
I really like the 1980 Knebworth show with the full band w/ Dennis & Brian & Carl.


Definitely. I'm probably a bigger fan of the 1980 iteration of the touring band than anyone. The Knebworth and DC shows from 1980 are some of my all-time favorites, and only partially for nostalgic reasons.

The DC 1980 show is actually better in some ways than Knebworth. I think Knebworth has a little more spunk, especially Dennis. But the DC version of "Keepin' the Summer Alive" is much better.

I also give the 1980 version of the band props for being perhaps the last time that actual Beach Boys (6) outnumbered backing band guys (3) on stage.



Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: tpesky on January 19, 2016, 02:16:43 PM
Agreed about the 1980 band, in my mind the last time the BB were a rock and roll band. After that, they became an oldies band. I would say 83 and 88 have their moments, but 93 was the best tour post 1980.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 19, 2016, 03:31:38 PM
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Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: drbeachboy on January 19, 2016, 05:48:41 PM
Agreed about the 1980 band, in my mind the last time the BB were a rock and roll band. After that, they became an oldies band. I would say 83 and 88 have their moments, but 93 was the best tour post 1980.
When did oldies not be rock n roll anymore? I'm confused. Except for the couple of KTSA tunes, these are the same songs they have played throughout their career. They did lose their edge afterward, but geez, Brian gets praised for playing the songs close to the record. This is basically what the Beach Boys began doing around 83 or so.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: tpesky on January 19, 2016, 07:23:00 PM
I don't mean oldies in the sense of the set list, perhaps lounge act sound is a better term. There was an energy and edge to the songs up until about 1980. After that, the harmonies changed when they started bringing in other falsetto singers, the mix became more keyboard heavy, the tempos slowed down especially after Dennis passed away.  It becomes more plastic. The songs are still awesome, there is just something different. I personally don't prefer the tighter, keyboard heavy mix where the songs sound too close to the record.  Certainly not everyone will agree, just my opinion.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: drbeachboy on January 19, 2016, 07:41:01 PM
Throughout the 70's, Carl updated the older songs. One listen to In Concert you can hear the difference. They kept updating the old tunes until Carl left the band. Upon his return they started doing the songs closer to the original arrangements. I guess to make them sound more authentic. I'm with you though, I like the edgier arrangements and updated sounds. The shows that I attended in 1972 through 1974 and in 1980 were exceptionally good and rocked the house.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 20, 2016, 03:06:22 AM
Other than C50, I'd say this was probably the best post-1975 tour/show they ever put together.

It would be nearly perfect were it not for the sub-par drums and, though unavoidable, the rather late 80s-sounding synths/keyboards.

I think there's an audience recording from a few days prior (11/21 in PA?) that might be a slightly better performance (Al totally kills it on "You Still Believe In Me"), but obviously the NYC soundboard has much better sound quality (to the point of being dry and having little audience noise at all).

I think the 1977 shows were, on a good day, as good as the band ever did prior to 2012 (though I sadly only have recorded evidence, not having been born til 1978). All five core Beach Boys, a set that still included early-70s stuff like Sail On Sailor, Feel Flows, and All This Is That, a lot of Love You stuff, and one of the best touring bands, with Billy, Ed, and Bobby plus Charles Lloyd.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Tony S on January 20, 2016, 04:34:25 AM
This is wonderful! I have the Valley Forge performance on CD that was made a couple days around the time of this show. It's great, though it's not nearly as clear as this sound board recording. Yours is great! Tx for posting.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on January 20, 2016, 05:38:02 AM
Yeah, this is great to have! Carl's voice was finally showing signs of age (not that it mattered, as it was still the best voice ever). Loved the blend on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" even though I missed Brian on the falsetto.

Definitely a weaker overall performance than Knebworth-- it's just a little plodding, I suppose. The band seems to go through the motions on the usual setlist stuff, but they seem to really enjoy playing the deep cuts.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on January 20, 2016, 07:22:08 AM
Yeah, this is great to have! Carl's voice was finally showing signs of age (not that it mattered, as it was still the best voice ever). Loved the blend on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" even though I missed Brian on the falsetto.

Definitely a weaker overall performance than Knebworth-- it's just a little plodding, I suppose. The band seems to go through the motions on the usual setlist stuff, but they seem to really enjoy playing the deep cuts.

True, I'd say the "meat and potatoes" portion of the NYC Paramount show is fine, but not extra remarkable. If you cut the "rare" stuff out, it would just sound like a typical solid 90s gig.

I think they did enjoy the rarities more, especially Al and Carl.

Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").

I also recall thinking it was funny that they were doing the "rarities" set ostensibly to promote the '93 GV boxed set, yet they did "Take a Load Off Your Feet" which isn't even on the box.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 20, 2016, 07:23:48 AM
Yeah, this is great to have! Carl's voice was finally showing signs of age (not that it mattered, as it was still the best voice ever). Loved the blend on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" even though I missed Brian on the falsetto.

Definitely a weaker overall performance than Knebworth-- it's just a little plodding, I suppose. The band seems to go through the motions on the usual setlist stuff, but they seem to really enjoy playing the deep cuts.

True, I'd say the "meat and potatoes" portion of the NYC Paramount show is fine, but not extra remarkable. If you cut the "rare" stuff out, it would just sound like a typical solid 90s gig.

I think they did enjoy the rarities more, especially Al and Carl.

Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").

I also recall thinking it was funny that they were doing the "rarities" set ostensibly to promote the '93 GV boxed set, yet they did "Take a Load Off Your Feet" which isn't even on the box.

Here are the Rehearsals you are talking about! Give it a listen to see if you can hear mike or not!

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Marty Castillo on January 20, 2016, 08:51:36 AM
Thanks for sharing. I've been enjoying this while working this morning. Is it Matt Jardine on falsettos for this tour?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: J.G. Dev on January 20, 2016, 08:55:38 AM
Thanks for sharing. I've been enjoying this while working this morning. Is it Matt Jardine on falsettos for this tour?

Yes, it was Matt


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 20, 2016, 09:16:01 AM
Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").


Mike isn't present, but I'm fairly sure there's actually four-part harmony on the rehearsal version of Hearts -- Al, Carl, Bruce, and Matt. I can't listen to my copy currently to check, though.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 20, 2016, 09:29:44 AM
Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").


Mike isn't present, but I'm fairly sure there's actually four-part harmony on the rehearsal version of Hearts -- Al, Carl, Bruce, and Matt. I can't listen to my copy currently to check, though.

You can listen to your heart is full of spring rehearsal right here on youtube!


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL
 

 
 
 


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on January 20, 2016, 09:34:56 AM
Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").


Mike isn't present, but I'm fairly sure there's actually four-part harmony on the rehearsal version of Hearts -- Al, Carl, Bruce, and Matt. I can't listen to my copy currently to check, though.

I haven't listened to it super recently, but my recollection is that Bruce did the falsetto (or highest anyway) part as he did in the actual concert performance.

If they were actually rehearsing it for the tour, I figure Bruce would want to sing the same part that he would be singing in concert. It wouldn't do as much good to have Matt singing Bruce's part, Bruce singing the part below that (Carl's or Al's), and then everybody in the stack would potentially have to change their part (unless Matt wanted to sing Mike's low part).

The only way to effectively rehearse it without Mike there would be to either leave Mike's part out, or have someone else sing Mike's part. My recollection is that there is no "bass" part on the rehearsal tape. I suppose it's possible Matt doubled Bruce's part or sang it instead of Bruce. But my recollection is that Al, Carl, and Bruce simply sing their three parts and leave the bass out.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 20, 2016, 09:39:42 AM
Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").


Mike isn't present, but I'm fairly sure there's actually four-part harmony on the rehearsal version of Hearts -- Al, Carl, Bruce, and Matt. I can't listen to my copy currently to check, though.

I haven't listened to it super recently, but my recollection is that Bruce did the falsetto (or highest anyway) part as he did in the actual concert performance.

If they were actually rehearsing it for the tour, I figure Bruce would want to sing the same part that he would be singing in concert. It wouldn't do as much good to have Matt singing Bruce's part, Bruce singing the part below that (Carl's or Al's), and then everybody in the stack would potentially have to change their part (unless Matt wanted to sing Mike's low part).

The only way to effectively rehearse it without Mike there would be to either leave Mike's part out, or have someone else sing Mike's part. My recollection is that there is no "bass" part on the rehearsal tape. I suppose it's possible Matt doubled Bruce's part or sang it instead of Bruce. But my recollection is that Al, Carl, and Bruce simply sing their three parts and leave the bass out.



I believe that is how it went for most the parts in the rehearsals wheile I was listening to it here

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL
 

 
 
 


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 20, 2016, 09:52:22 AM
Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").


Mike isn't present, but I'm fairly sure there's actually four-part harmony on the rehearsal version of Hearts -- Al, Carl, Bruce, and Matt. I can't listen to my copy currently to check, though.

I haven't listened to it super recently, but my recollection is that Bruce did the falsetto (or highest anyway) part as he did in the actual concert performance.

If they were actually rehearsing it for the tour, I figure Bruce would want to sing the same part that he would be singing in concert. It wouldn't do as much good to have Matt singing Bruce's part, Bruce singing the part below that (Carl's or Al's), and then everybody in the stack would potentially have to change their part (unless Matt wanted to sing Mike's low part).

The only way to effectively rehearse it without Mike there would be to either leave Mike's part out, or have someone else sing Mike's part. My recollection is that there is no "bass" part on the rehearsal tape. I suppose it's possible Matt doubled Bruce's part or sang it instead of Bruce. But my recollection is that Al, Carl, and Bruce simply sing their three parts and leave the bass out.

My memory has Matt singing Mike's part, but you may well be correct (I can't listen to the YouTube copy as I'm at work).


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Steve Latshaw on January 20, 2016, 10:16:21 AM
This show has the best version of Summer in Paradise I've ever heard... with a stop the show sax solo by Richie Cannata.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Jay on January 20, 2016, 10:48:32 AM
This might be the last truly great show the group did prior to the 2012 reunion. This "box set tour" might have been the last really great period with Carl still in the group.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Tony S on January 20, 2016, 11:27:21 AM
I've always wanted to hear the Rehearsals for that tour; heard much about them and I anticipated a lot. They were great. It's such a shame that between the Rehearsals and the actual sound board Paramount recording, that neither has been officially released. Could be some of the best live recordings they ever did, and Al and Carl in particular shine.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Marty Castillo on January 20, 2016, 11:38:50 AM
I've always wanted to hear the Rehearsals for that tour; heard much about them and I anticipated a lot. They were great. It's such a shame that between the Rehearsals and the actual sound board Paramount recording, that neither has been officially released. Could be some of the best live recordings they ever did, and Al and Carl in particular shine.

I wonder if there would be hesitation to do so since Brian isn't included???


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Autotune on January 20, 2016, 06:03:02 PM
Interestingly, as I recall, on the "rehearsal" tape that is extant for that tour, Mike is not present. They just do the stuff with no Mike vocals (e.g. just at three part harmony on "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring").


Mike isn't present, but I'm fairly sure there's actually four-part harmony on the rehearsal version of Hearts -- Al, Carl, Bruce, and Matt. I can't listen to my copy currently to check, though.

I haven't listened to it super recently, but my recollection is that Bruce did the falsetto (or highest anyway) part as he did in the actual concert performance.

If they were actually rehearsing it for the tour, I figure Bruce would want to sing the same part that he would be singing in concert. It wouldn't do as much good to have Matt singing Bruce's part, Bruce singing the part below that (Carl's or Al's), and then everybody in the stack would potentially have to change their part (unless Matt wanted to sing Mike's low part).

The only way to effectively rehearse it without Mike there would be to either leave Mike's part out, or have someone else sing Mike's part. My recollection is that there is no "bass" part on the rehearsal tape. I suppose it's possible Matt doubled Bruce's part or sang it instead of Bruce. But my recollection is that Al, Carl, and Bruce simply sing their three parts and leave the bass out.



I believe that is how it went for most the parts in the rehearsals wheile I was listening to it here

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL
 

 
 
 


There's three parts on THWFOS. No one is taking Mike's.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: filledeplage on January 21, 2016, 05:38:08 AM
Thought You guys Might enjoy this! It is the full concert in great quality as if it was on an official album! The Concert was to promote the new Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of The Beach Boys album.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUuAhzh3pLViUaa210mIYhR

Don't forget to check out all of my rare live songs and other unreleased songs and alternate beach boys material!  

And here are the rehearsals!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL

Thanks so much for that!  Now, that is a setlist.

Matt is great on vocals, and the rarities! Yikes!

Thanks again!  ;)


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 21, 2016, 06:12:07 AM
There's three parts on THWFOS. No one is taking Mike's.

Yep. I was misremembering.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on January 21, 2016, 07:43:42 AM
Carl's beautiful vocals on Darlin', All This Is That tag, God Only Knows. Good gosh.



Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Autotune on January 21, 2016, 08:11:20 AM
Very enjoyable listen. One thing I never quite got is how slow Carl chose to perform some of the rockers for many years. Fun fun fun, Shut Down, many others. Why was this?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 21, 2016, 01:14:48 PM
good question! But its nice getting all of those songs at so many different paces to enjoy thought out the years.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 21, 2016, 06:41:06 PM
Thought You guys Might enjoy this! It is the full concert in great quality as if it was on an official album! The Concert was to promote the new Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of The Beach Boys album.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUuAhzh3pLViUaa210mIYhR

Don't forget to check out all of my rare live songs and other unreleased songs and alternate beach boys material!  

And here are the rehearsals!
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvRRaqL2VXRUadoFkdhgSaMuGPnvu7dEL

Thanks so much for that!  Now, that is a setlist.

Matt is great on vocals, and the rarities! Yikes!

Thanks again!  ;)

Yes it should be very easy to read your welcom


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on January 21, 2016, 07:08:43 PM
Very enjoyable listen. One thing I never quite got is how slow Carl chose to perform some of the rockers for many years. Fun fun fun, Shut Down, many others. Why was this?

Yes. So slow! I had no idea until I heard this


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 22, 2016, 01:04:13 AM
Had a good listen today. Love the rare tracks.

Sad to say but the decline in Bruce's voice since is very noticeable.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 22, 2016, 09:47:21 AM
Had a good listen today. Love the rare tracks.

Sad to say but the decline in Bruce's voice since is very noticeable.

Glad you liked the concert and all my other rare and alternate tracks!

Yes I agree. Bruce had such a great voice at this concert but really started going down hill in the 2000's. He doesn't sing very often now days. maybe one or two songs a concert. I was at a concert in 2013 and Bruce did a great job on leads on Summer Means Fun!


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Autotune on January 22, 2016, 12:34:20 PM
Back in 2012 many of us remarked how good Bruce still sounds. I don't think he's lost much-- but I do think that he gets hoarse pretty easily and this has on and off nights.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: tpesky on January 22, 2016, 01:00:24 PM
Mike on the other hand sounds much better today than he did then. Way too many nasal flat notes. Carl and Al were singing circles around him at that point.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: southbay on January 22, 2016, 03:59:57 PM
I was always a fan of Carl playing the Gibson, just preferred that heavier, fatter sound than what the guys get now on the Fenders, including David on the 2012 tour. Probably heresy since the recordings were done with Fenders and that is the BB "sound", but that's just me.

Highlights here for me include Carl on Darlin', Caroline, No, GOK (better than Knebworth),  Carl and Al's harmonies on In My Room and Surfer Girl. If you get to hear the rehearsals, the bit where Al (who else)  flubs the line on Add Some Music causing Carl to break up is a great behind the scenes moment, the kind of stuff you know is out there that you wish we had more of.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: mikeddonn on January 23, 2016, 02:44:36 AM
Bruce doesn't sing much live now, hence the reason his voice might be weaker.  I remember around 2001 he was apologising for his voice being off on God Only Knows as people were commenting on it.  The other thing is that age can also weaken and thin the voice. There are exceptions such as Al and probably Carl would still have the power.  When I Listen to the Paramount stuff and the rehearsals a question comes in to my mind.

Which version of the Beach Boys sounds like more like the Beach Boys?  The Paramount era or C50?  Which one would you choose?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 23, 2016, 03:42:23 AM
Bruce doesn't sing much live now, hence the reason his voice might be weaker. 

Bruce actually sings a fair bit. Looking at a typical setlist (the Hampton Park shows from 2014 -- rather than a super-long set like last year's), he sang lead on Surfer Girl, Please Let Me Wonder, Disney Girls, and Do You Wanna Dance, joint leads on Sloop John B, Kiss Me Baby, Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring and Kokomo, and prominent harmony parts all over the rest.
The only recent time that Bruce has gone back to the old "adjust the mic, wave hands in the air, don't play or sing much"  thing he used to do in the early 90s is during the 2012 tour, when there wasn't as much for him to do.

As to your question about which tour "sounded more like the Beach Boys", it depends what you mean by "sounded like", I think. Just in terms of the vocal blend, the early 90s band wins hands down -- it only really sounds like the Beach Boys to me if you have Al and Carl in the middle of the stack, and Matt sounded very like a young Brian. The 2012 band sang all the parts, more accurately than the early-90s one, but frankly most of the time the harmony stack was dominated by the backing band -- Al's voice always cut through, and you could hear Mike most of the time, but Brian and Bruce's contributions to the harmonies might as well not have been there (and I don't think David's *were* there -- I'm pretty sure his mic wasn't in the mix for most songs).

Instrumentally and arrangement-wise, I think the 2012 band wins hands down. There was none of the cutting out the difficult bits, none of the slowing tempos down to half what they should be, none of the horrible Casio-sounding keyboard pads, and they had the best live drummer I've ever seen, rather than the worst. I don't think there's any real question that Brian's band are stunning, and Scott T and John Cowsill are both astonishingly good as well. I think both touring bands now sound far more "like the Beach Boys" in that sense than any version of the band after the early 1970s at the latest, and the combination in 2012 was jaw-droppingly good. (I've often said that what upset me about the 2012 tour ending wasn't that Mike and Brian wouldn't be performing together, but that I wouldn't get to see Cowsill drumming while Nelson Bragg added percussion, or hear Scott T and Probyn playing together).


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2016, 08:37:51 AM
The 2012 band sang all the parts, more accurately than the early-90s one, but frankly most of the time the harmony stack was dominated by the backing band -- Al's voice always cut through, and you could hear Mike most of the time, but Brian and Bruce's contributions to the harmonies might as well not have been there (and I don't think David's *were* there -- I'm pretty sure his mic wasn't in the mix for most songs).

RAH 2012...Little Girl I Once Knew and Why Do Fools Fall In Love, even on cel video I hear Brian and Bruce cutting through just fine. Little Girl especially, as Brian sings lead on the verses you can then hear how his voice falls into the vocal stack. Why Do Fools as well, Brian is doing a specific part in the stack and you can hear it cut through. Bruce's voice is distinct, I hear him in there no problem.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg)
Little Girl at 14:30, Why Do Fools around 35:00

Wembley 2012, the Forever and God Only Knows tribute performances. Brian (and Bruce) audible in the stack, and like Brian with Little Girl, as soon as Bruce hits that famous coda on GOK, you hear where his voice has been in the stack all along for the mix that night.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be)


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 23, 2016, 09:03:53 AM
The 2012 band sang all the parts, more accurately than the early-90s one, but frankly most of the time the harmony stack was dominated by the backing band -- Al's voice always cut through, and you could hear Mike most of the time, but Brian and Bruce's contributions to the harmonies might as well not have been there (and I don't think David's *were* there -- I'm pretty sure his mic wasn't in the mix for most songs).

RAH 2012...Little Girl I Once Knew and Why Do Fools Fall In Love, even on cel video I hear Brian and Bruce cutting through just fine. Little Girl especially, as Brian sings lead on the verses you can then hear how his voice falls into the vocal stack. Why Do Fools as well, Brian is doing a specific part in the stack and you can hear it cut through. Bruce's voice is distinct, I hear him in there no problem.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg)
Little Girl at 14:30, Why Do Fools around 35:00

Wembley 2012, the Forever and God Only Knows tribute performances. Brian (and Bruce) audible in the stack, and like Brian with Little Girl, as soon as Bruce hits that famous coda on GOK, you hear where his voice has been in the stack all along for the mix that night.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be)

Oh, I'm not saying they weren't there, weren't in the mix, or anything like that. Just that compared to the early 90s show where there were only I think six vocalists ( the four Beach Boys plus Matt Jardine and Billy Hinsche), the thirteen vocalists on stage meant that Brian and Bruce weren't a big part of the harmony sound.  At the shows I was at (the Wembley show and the two Italian ones) they were definitely in the harmony stack when not singing lead, but were mostly not a major part of it.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
The 2012 band sang all the parts, more accurately than the early-90s one, but frankly most of the time the harmony stack was dominated by the backing band -- Al's voice always cut through, and you could hear Mike most of the time, but Brian and Bruce's contributions to the harmonies might as well not have been there (and I don't think David's *were* there -- I'm pretty sure his mic wasn't in the mix for most songs).

RAH 2012...Little Girl I Once Knew and Why Do Fools Fall In Love, even on cel video I hear Brian and Bruce cutting through just fine. Little Girl especially, as Brian sings lead on the verses you can then hear how his voice falls into the vocal stack. Why Do Fools as well, Brian is doing a specific part in the stack and you can hear it cut through. Bruce's voice is distinct, I hear him in there no problem.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg)
Little Girl at 14:30, Why Do Fools around 35:00

Wembley 2012, the Forever and God Only Knows tribute performances. Brian (and Bruce) audible in the stack, and like Brian with Little Girl, as soon as Bruce hits that famous coda on GOK, you hear where his voice has been in the stack all along for the mix that night.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be)

Oh, I'm not saying they weren't there, weren't in the mix, or anything like that. Just that compared to the early 90s show where there were only I think six vocalists ( the four Beach Boys plus Matt Jardine and Billy Hinsche), the thirteen vocalists on stage meant that Brian and Bruce weren't a big part of the harmony sound.  At the shows I was at (the Wembley show and the two Italian ones) they were definitely in the harmony stack when not singing lead, but were mostly not a major part of it.

I may not be getting what your suggesting here, but a harmony stack is supposed to be a blend of all the voices coming together so that not one or another part stands out too much on its own. I guess my read on it is you said you didn't hear enough Bruce or Brian in the harmony blend to suggest they might as well not have been there, yet they are audible in that blend but not standing out, and doing what singers as part of a harmony blend do by design.

Help me out with this!  :)


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on January 23, 2016, 09:43:18 AM
Cmon guys-- 2012 didn't have Carl. It ain't hard.

 Old Brian+Foskett<Carl


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2016, 10:20:08 AM
Cmon guys-- 2012 didn't have Carl. It ain't hard.

 Old Brian+Foskett<Carl

Obviously when a band member's key voice isn't there, it will shape the sound radically, no doubt. I feel that way every time I hear an old concert with Dennis playing drums, no one brought what he brought to the Beach Boys live sound back in the day. My questions were more about Andrew's comments regarding Bruce and Brian's vocals in the stack...perhaps it also had something to do with whatever venues Andrew heard them perform and how the shows were mixed for those venues. I don't know.

But one thing I can add to the comment about Carl - If it were not for him doing what he could to save the performance with his voice, "Under The Boardwalk" as heard on that recording (and elsewhere) would have been even worse than it sounded on that tape. What were they thinking...


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: mikeddonn on January 23, 2016, 10:22:36 AM
The 2012 band sang all the parts, more accurately than the early-90s one, but frankly most of the time the harmony stack was dominated by the backing band -- Al's voice always cut through, and you could hear Mike most of the time, but Brian and Bruce's contributions to the harmonies might as well not have been there (and I don't think David's *were* there -- I'm pretty sure his mic wasn't in the mix for most songs).

RAH 2012...Little Girl I Once Knew and Why Do Fools Fall In Love, even on cel video I hear Brian and Bruce cutting through just fine. Little Girl especially, as Brian sings lead on the verses you can then hear how his voice falls into the vocal stack. Why Do Fools as well, Brian is doing a specific part in the stack and you can hear it cut through. Bruce's voice is distinct, I hear him in there no problem.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e70H4KOqCYg)
Little Girl at 14:30, Why Do Fools around 35:00

Wembley 2012, the Forever and God Only Knows tribute performances. Brian (and Bruce) audible in the stack, and like Brian with Little Girl, as soon as Bruce hits that famous coda on GOK, you hear where his voice has been in the stack all along for the mix that night.

Listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2FY1qZWL40&feature=youtu.be)

Oh, I'm not saying they weren't there, weren't in the mix, or anything like that. Just that compared to the early 90s show where there were only I think six vocalists ( the four Beach Boys plus Matt Jardine and Billy Hinsche), the thirteen vocalists on stage meant that Brian and Bruce weren't a big part of the harmony sound.  At the shows I was at (the Wembley show and the two Italian ones) they were definitely in the harmony stack when not singing lead, but were mostly not a major part of it.

I may not be getting what your suggesting here, but a harmony stack is supposed to be a blend of all the voices coming together so that not one or another part stands out too much on its own. I guess my read on it is you said you didn't hear enough Bruce or Brian in the harmony blend to suggest they might as well not have been there, yet they are audible in that blend but not standing out, and doing what singers as part of a harmony blend do by design.

Help me out with this!  :)

Maybe he means that take Brian and Bruce out of the stack there would not be a noticeable difference to the sound.  Take Carl or Al out of the 1990s Paramount Era shows and it would stick out like a sore thumb.  Bruce and Mike too for that matter.  That is why I love those rehearsals.

Andrew I agree with you regarding both bands and really wished Carl could have been around for C50.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2016, 10:30:11 AM
That's the difference between the obvious and the hypothetical. During C50 there were also upwards of 5 or more people playing guitars on any given song - Who in the guitar section would it be suggested might as well not have been there because their parts blended into the mix instead of standing out like a lead?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: mikeddonn on January 23, 2016, 10:40:51 AM
That's the difference between the obvious and the hypothetical. During C50 there were also upwards of 5 or more people playing guitars on any given song - Who in the guitar section would it be suggested might as well not have been there because their parts blended into the mix instead of standing out like a lead?

I'm not bothered about the guitars.  The band are super talented for sure.  I'm talking about how I like to hear the Beach Boys in the blend.  You can still have a harmony blend but hear the individual voices like the 90s tour rehearsals.  The BVs on C50 were great but it would have ended the same without the Beach Boys even singing.  That is to say, if Darian and the guys went on tour the vocals would still sound the same.  The guys did cut through occasionally on specific lines no-one is disputing that.  But how good would it have been to hear the Boys doing Their Hearts Were Full of Spring with Matt taking the top part (or Bruce)?  Kind of like they did on Add Some Music.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2016, 11:00:03 AM
That's the difference between the obvious and the hypothetical. During C50 there were also upwards of 5 or more people playing guitars on any given song - Who in the guitar section would it be suggested might as well not have been there because their parts blended into the mix instead of standing out like a lead?

I'm not bothered about the guitars.  The band are super talented for sure.  I'm talking about how I like to hear the Beach Boys in the blend.  You can still have a harmony blend but hear the individual voices like the 90s tour rehearsals.  The BVs on C50 were great but it would have ended the same without the Beach Boys even singing.  That is to say, if Darian and the guys went on tour the vocals would still sound the same.  The guys did cut through occasionally on specific lines no-one is disputing that.  But how good would it have been to hear the Boys doing Their Hearts Were Full of Spring with Matt taking the top part (or Bruce)?  Kind of like they did on Add Some Music.

It would have but the guys were doing harmony as it should be done, if one voice is standing out it affects the blend in a negative way. That's the nature of harmony singing, if Bruce is singing a baritone part and isn't clearly audible on every line, he's still part of the blend. I could hear him in the videos, and they're just cel videos, and he was part of that blend. I guess I'm also coming at this as a guitarist, and I understand having support parts but how is having 5 guitars in the mix different from having 12 vocals or whatever was mentioned before? They're doing the same roles, basically, so we could say at least two of those guitars blended in so much that they could have not even been there, and I'm saying that's not the case since each on C50 played a role in the blend. If I didn't hear Jeff's or Al's guitar as prominent as others on the songs, they were still a part of the blend.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 23, 2016, 12:05:36 PM
That's the difference between the obvious and the hypothetical. During C50 there were also upwards of 5 or more people playing guitars on any given song - Who in the guitar section would it be suggested might as well not have been there because their parts blended into the mix instead of standing out like a lead?

I only meant in terms of the vocals sounding "Beach Boys", which was the question I was answering. Obviously if there are thirteen or so people singing, many of them more prominent in the mix, and only four of them are Beach Boys, that's not going to sound as much like the Beach Boys as six people, four of them Beach Boys, singing.

I also disagree that "a harmony stack is supposed to be a blend of all the voices coming together so that not one or another part stands out too much on its own". Generally speaking, at least for myself, when I listen to the Beach Boys' harmonies I can pick out all the individual voices without any real effort. Not always, but a lot of the time. That wasn't the case for much of the 2012 shows.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Autotune on January 23, 2016, 01:54:16 PM
Hearing them live, and watching video footage from 2012, it became obvious to me that the core guys were doing the bulk of the harmony singing (aided by Jeff's and Scott's falsettos). It seemed to me that if all the main guys stopped singing at once, whatever guys like Darian and Scotty were singing would have sounded very low and subdued. Those were doubling-enforcing and not much else.

And may I add that Bruce is one hell of a harmony singer. Blends wonderfully and has edge at the same time, covers a lot of tricky parts during a long time-span, has perfect intonation and rhythmic delivery-- and if you add the minutes he sings during a concert, he probably sings more time than most of the other guys.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 23, 2016, 02:20:54 PM
Hearing them live, and watching video footage from 2012, it became obvious to me that the core guys were doing the bulk of the harmony singing (aided by Jeff's and Scott's falsettos). It seemed to me that if all the main guys stopped singing at once, whatever guys like Darian and Scotty were singing would have sounded very low and subdued. Those were doubling-enforcing and not much else.

That's not how it sounded to me, with a couple of exceptions (notably Surfer Girl and In My Room). But I think this is one of those things that will be down to opinion rather than objective fact...

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And may I add that Bruce is one hell of a harmony singer. Blends wonderfully and has edge at the same time, covers a lot of tricky parts during a long time-span, has perfect intonation and rhythmic delivery-- and if you add the minutes he sings during a concert, he probably sings more time than most of the other guys.
Absolutely.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: wantsomecorn on January 23, 2016, 03:27:30 PM
Was Dave ever audible in the harmonies in 2012? I couldn't pick him out from the videos I've seen, although I am not really familiar with his singing voice.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 23, 2016, 04:21:39 PM
Was Dave ever audible in the harmonies in 2012? I couldn't pick him out from the videos I've seen, although I am not really familiar with his singing voice.

He was very audible on Surfer Girl and In My Room. I couldn't pick him out on anything else (other than the songs he sang lead on), and my suspicion is that his mic was not in the mix for many songs -- in the Rome show (where I was stood in the front row, on his side of the stage) he came in at the wrong time, when no-one else was singing, at least twice and no vocals came through the speaker. I don't think that was a clever catch from the sound engineer, because when other people made the same kind of mistakes, they were audible.

That may just have been the mix for that one show, of course -- I remember that at that show Bruce's keyboard was also not audible when Mike asked for his note at the start of Be True To Your School -- but I can't say I noticed him in the harmonies on the other two shows I saw, or in any of the recordings I've heard.

(That's not a knock on David, incidentally -- he's always been a bit different from the other Beach Boys in that he's an instrumentalist who also sings, rather than a singer who also plays, and his guitar and stage presence added a lot to the show. David being on stage and in the front line made them feel like a band, rather than some singers with a backing band. If he hadn't sung a single note he'd still have earned his place on that stage.)


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: guitarfool2002 on January 23, 2016, 04:32:13 PM
That's the difference between the obvious and the hypothetical. During C50 there were also upwards of 5 or more people playing guitars on any given song - Who in the guitar section would it be suggested might as well not have been there because their parts blended into the mix instead of standing out like a lead?

I only meant in terms of the vocals sounding "Beach Boys", which was the question I was answering. Obviously if there are thirteen or so people singing, many of them more prominent in the mix, and only four of them are Beach Boys, that's not going to sound as much like the Beach Boys as six people, four of them Beach Boys, singing.

I also disagree that "a harmony stack is supposed to be a blend of all the voices coming together so that not one or another part stands out too much on its own". Generally speaking, at least for myself, when I listen to the Beach Boys' harmonies I can pick out all the individual voices without any real effort. Not always, but a lot of the time. That wasn't the case for much of the 2012 shows.

You're talking about picking out individual voices based on the character of the voice because you know the sound of each band members voice, I'm talking about the techniques of harmony singing in general. The same principles hold true for sectionals in an orchestra or a big band. If you have four voices doing some variation of the SATB chorale setup (soprano, alto, tenor, bass), and they're harmonizing on a chord to support the melody, if one of those middle voices (especially) overpowers the others, the blend is shot. Besides the notes themselves, one of the key elements of good group harmony singing is getting that blend, and beyond that, getting the phrasing in sync so the singers are all taking a breath at the same time when doing close harmonies like the Freshmen, Beach Boys, CSN, etc. It's more than the notes. If it's live and if it's up to a sound mixer, then that person has to bring down the level of whoever might be booming out over the rest (apart from the lead), especially in a close harmony when they're all on microphones and not standing together to adjust themselves or back off if necessary.

Of course a Beach Boys fan would be able to ID individual members by the sound of their voice, having listened to the band for decades. But that's different than having a good blend. The Beach Boys' records had an impeccable blend where all members were in total sync with phrasing, and they had it worked out too (and were skilled enough) so that each chord they sang together was balanced. Without that, it's just not as good...no other words to describe it.

I picked out Brian's and Bruce's voices on those clips because I also know the sound of their modern voices and also was able to key in on the notes and the parts of the chord which they were singing. Without Brian's part on "Why Do Fools..." for one example posted above from C50, the chord would not be complete, the part itself would be missing a key voice. Same with all the rest. They're parts of the chord that form the full chord, unless they're singing unison. Take one away, you'll lose that sound. And the blend when doing so is crucial.

As someone pointed out, the only difference really between 1993 and C50 was Carl. And if it's the specific character of Carl's voice that you missed in the 2012 blend, that will obviously never happen again just like Dennis won't ever play "Do It Again" with the same beat he did live decades ago. That's different from suggesting Brian's and Bruce's voices could have been taken out and not missed.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: orange22 on January 24, 2016, 01:00:28 AM
As someone pointed out, the only difference really between 1993 and C50 was Carl.

And the (not inconsiderable I would say) passage of 19 years.
But really, all else holding true, less Beach Boys present would mean a less Beach Boys-like blend.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: mikeddonn on January 24, 2016, 02:25:12 AM
As someone pointed out, the only difference really between 1993 and C50 was Carl.

And the (not inconsiderable I would say) passage of 19 years.
But really, all else holding true, less Beach Boys present would mean a less Beach Boys-like blend.

Yes, and it would begin to sound Fendertonesesque.  Still great, but less Beach Boys.  There's a reason the Beatles, Hollies and Beach Boys all sound different when harmonising.  It's about the voices, not just the chords they are singing or arrangements.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 24, 2016, 07:28:02 AM
As someone pointed out, the only difference really between 1993 and C50 was Carl.

And the (not inconsiderable I would say) passage of 19 years.
But really, all else holding true, less Beach Boys present would mean a less Beach Boys-like blend.

Yes, and it would begin to sound Fendertonesesque.  Still great, but less Beach Boys.  There's a reason the Beatles, Hollies and Beach Boys all sound different when harmonising.  It's about the voices, not just the chords they are singing or arrangements.

The Beach Boys have an added factor - genetics. Three brothers and a cousin. Makes for a very special blend.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: The_Beach on January 24, 2016, 07:42:39 AM
As someone pointed out, the only difference really between 1993 and C50 was Carl.

And the (not inconsiderable I would say) passage of 19 years.
But really, all else holding true, less Beach Boys present would mean a less Beach Boys-like blend.

Yes, and it would begin to sound Fendertonesesque.  Still great, but less Beach Boys.  There's a reason the Beatles, Hollies and Beach Boys all sound different when harmonising.  It's about the voices, not just the chords they are singing or arrangements.

The Beach Boys have an added factor - genetics. Three brothers and a cousin. Makes for a very special blend.

And all of their children are very talented also which helps them to have a great backing band!


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on January 25, 2016, 02:06:19 PM
The harmony blend on C50 seemed to vary from song to song. I do recall being impressed that it did truly sound like *The* Beach Boys, and I think the linchpin in that was Al more than anyone else. There were certain songs where his voice was not only quite prominent, but it was what made it sound like *The* Beach Boys. Interestingly, "Getcha Back" was one of them. Having Al try to shoehorn in his 70s arrangement backing vocals to "Heroes and Villains" was another moment.

Vocals on C50 were certainly more robust than in the Carl era. Not surprisingly, the ideal situation would have been for the touring BBs to have a larger band and better C50-style setlist during the Carl era. But even the 90s was just a different time than now. It just wouldn't have happened. For all we know, Carl would have scuttled doing 60-song deep-cut setlists and doubling the size of the backing band. I think Carl would have felt more at ease doing it in the 2000s when the vibe and fan reaction and perception more easily allows for it.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Sam_BFC on January 31, 2016, 12:12:56 PM
Fabulous stuff, only just got around to starting to have a listen.

I wonder if any rehearsal tapes exist for the 2012 reunion tour.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: DC310 on February 05, 2016, 09:30:58 AM
One of my most treasured recordings.  Everything from this part of 1993 was great by the boys.  Pretty sure that's Al singing Mike's bass part at the end of Surfer Girl.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: southbay on February 05, 2016, 10:52:43 AM
At the of You Still Believe In Me, there are 2 falsettos.  One is clearly Matt.  Who is the other--Bruce or Al?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 05, 2016, 12:55:48 PM
I think it is Bruce. I'm sure I can hear Al in a lower key, closer to his lead.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: NateRuvin on August 08, 2017, 10:31:39 AM
I have heard bits and pieces from this (what's included on MIC) but I wish I could hear the full thing!


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on August 08, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
They just showed the Knebworth concert locally on PBS last night.  I had not seen it before, but really didn't care much for it.  Have just seen those same songs live so much I felt like I knew exactly how they were going to sing each line so it was not of much interest to me....They actually sounded good (I know it was doctored a lot) though...FWIW...still some interest in the band I guess....but that concert is starting to "look" very ancient....


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: KDS on August 08, 2017, 12:21:43 PM
They just showed the Knebworth concert locally on PBS last night.  I had not seen it before, but really didn't care much for it.  Have just seen those same songs live so much I felt like I knew exactly how they were going to sing each line so it was not of much interest to me....They actually sounded good (I know it was doctored a lot) though...FWIW...still some interest in the band I guess....but that concert is starting to "look" very ancient....

The one from 1980?  I think that's actually one of the better BB concerts that's been officially released.  Granted, like you said, by that time, the setlists were started to veer into the traveling jukebox collection.   

I doubt PBS showed it, but it also includes a nice live version of Lady Lynda. 



Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on August 08, 2017, 12:29:18 PM
They just showed the Knebworth concert locally on PBS last night.  I had not seen it before, but really didn't care much for it.  Have just seen those same songs live so much I felt like I knew exactly how they were going to sing each line so it was not of much interest to me....They actually sounded good (I know it was doctored a lot) though...FWIW...still some interest in the band I guess....but that concert is starting to "look" very ancient....

Wait, isn't this thread about the '93 Paramount show?

And you "didn't care much" for the Knebworth show, but feel they "sounded good?" What do you need in order to actually care about a concert video, or like it?

And, the concert is 37 years old and was shot on SD videotape. Of course it's going to look its age.

And isn't "knowing exactly how they were going to sing each line" just another way of saying you're a fan and you know the lyrics? Were they supposed to change the lyrics for the Knebworth show?

Not trying to be harsh, and we all like to do sort of stream of consciousness reviews of stuff from time to time. But it kinda sounds like you went into watching a 37-year-old concert video of the Beach Boys as a fan of the band, but expected, I guess, the footage to look "new" and for the lyrics and singing to somehow be unpredictable?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: southbay on August 08, 2017, 01:55:47 PM
Carl's beautiful vocals on Darlin', All This Is That tag, God Only Knows. Good gosh.



and Caroline, No...


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Tony S on August 08, 2017, 04:01:00 PM
93 unplugged Paramont show sorely needs to be formally released. Just a great performance by the boys and in particular Al and Carl.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Emdeeh on August 09, 2017, 07:13:49 AM
I agree, and sometime well before 2043, please!


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on August 09, 2017, 08:33:43 AM
An official release of the Paramount '93 show (or another show on that tour; I've heard an audience recording of the Valley Forge show from a few days prior that might be a better *performance*) would be the perfect kick-off for a wide-ranging "Live from the Archives" sort of series of downloadable shows.

The only reason I can think that this hasn't been pushed harder for official release is that the assumption is that it so commonly circulates already.

There *may* also be an issue with the likelihood that they only have some sort of stereo housemix on DAT and not any multi-track elements for the show. This would limit what they could do in post-production. But I don't recall any major mixing issues on that live mix that circulates.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: NateRuvin on August 09, 2017, 09:09:26 AM

Hey Jude, where can I find that mix that circulates?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: rock72 on August 09, 2017, 10:06:04 AM
it's not there?


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: Tony S on August 09, 2017, 01:35:37 PM
Hey Jude I have the Valley Forge unplugged show on double CD and it is fabulous. What I've heard of the Paramount show on YouTube is a bit more clean though.


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: HeyJude on August 09, 2017, 02:38:51 PM
Hey Jude I have the Valley Forge unplugged show on double CD and it is fabulous. What I've heard of the Paramount show on YouTube is a bit more clean though.

Sound quality is definitely much better; Valley Forge is a good audience recording while the NYC show sounds like it's pulled from a DAT soundboard source (it's in fact so clean that it sounds a little bit sterile and has *very little* audience in the mix).


Title: Re: The Beach Boys Live At Paramount NYC 11/26/1993 Unplugged Tour
Post by: rock72 on August 12, 2017, 12:38:24 PM
Hi,
when i click on your you tube link, i get nothing. can u  help?
thanks dave