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Title: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on December 13, 2015, 02:30:14 PM
I noticed some 2016 talk was already taking place in the 2015 tour thread, so I figured it was appropriate to start a new thread.

It appears Mike and Bruce are taking the first few weeks of 2016 off before a series of shows in California, the Northeast and Florida. Of some interest, it appears that for the first two dates in May (Kansas City and Des Moines) they are offering a VIP meet & greet experience. I haven't been able to determine what this will entail, but I think they took a break from doing these after returning from the UK in early-2015. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, anyone holding tickets?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on December 13, 2015, 06:16:07 PM
Yep! 2nd row for Baltimore!!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on December 14, 2015, 05:29:12 AM
Yep! 2nd row for Baltimore!!

My wife and I will be in the same row.  Looking forward to it.  Hoping David Marks is there too, but I'm not expecting to get lucky enough to see two shows with Dave in the course of six months. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on December 14, 2015, 08:07:46 AM
Well, I was contemplating the Des Moines show to take advantage of the meet and greet, but those tickets are sold out. I'm hoping they continue east on that tour and hit Illinois, Indiana, Michigan or Ohio--those would be closer for me anyway. I would really like to see a theater show, as the last two I attended were summer, outdoor venues.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on December 14, 2015, 08:36:47 AM
Yep! 2nd row for Baltimore!!

My wife and I will be in the same row.  Looking forward to it.  Hoping David Marks is there too, but I'm not expecting to get lucky enough to see two shows with Dave in the course of six months. 

It seems that if David joins them, it's typically in the summertime.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Michael Edward Osbourne on December 14, 2015, 02:28:42 PM
Pretty psyched to be seeing M&B in Cranston Rhode Island February 14 2016!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on December 21, 2015, 07:31:45 AM
Well, I bit the bullet and purchased front row with meet & greet for Kansas City, MO on May 14. Looking forward to my first "theater show". I called both the venue and AXS (ticket seller) and they have zero information on the meet & greet. I have no idea if this will include the soundcheck, but hoping there are some extras beyond just meeting Mike and Bruce.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: marcella27 on December 21, 2015, 08:26:28 AM
I noticed some 2016 talk was already taking place in the 2015 tour thread, so I figured it was appropriate to start a new thread.

It appears Mike and Bruce are taking the first few weeks of 2016 off before a series of shows in California, the Northeast and Florida. Of some interest, it appears that for the first two dates in May (Kansas City and Des Moines) they are offering a VIP meet & greet experience. I haven't been able to determine what this will entail, but I think they took a break from doing these after returning from the UK in early-2015. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So, anyone holding tickets?

I saw them in Massachussets in August 2015 and they did a meet and greet.  Just Mike and Bruce - David Marks was wandering around by himself while the meet and greet was going on. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on January 19, 2016, 11:39:39 AM
New date in Peoria, IL on May 13. There is no mention of a VIP option. It seems strange how there is no uniformity so far this tour. I called the Kansas City and Des Moines venues to get more information on the VIP and meet & greet experiences--both acknowledge selling this package, but had no information on what it entailed.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on January 19, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
New date in Peoria, IL on May 13. There is no mention of a VIP option. It seems strange how there is no uniformity so far this tour. I called the Kansas City and Des Moines venues to get more information on the VIP and meet & greet experiences--both acknowledge selling this package, but had no information on what it entailed.

My kids got me tickets to the KC show for Christmas but I doubt they got they got the VIP option.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Dave in KC on January 19, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
New date in Peoria, IL on May 13. There is no mention of a VIP option. It seems strange how there is no uniformity so far this tour. I called the Kansas City and Des Moines venues to get more information on the VIP and meet & greet experiences--both acknowledge selling this package, but had no information on what it entailed.

My kids got me tickets to the KC show for Christmas but I doubt they got they got the VIP option.
It looks like I got lucky. The band kicks off its Summer tour right here in downtown Kansas City. May 14, 2016. Great venue with a rich history and priced up another tier!
This was from a December 11 post.

Great present Cam!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on January 19, 2016, 04:24:37 PM
New date in Peoria, IL on May 13. There is no mention of a VIP option. It seems strange how there is no uniformity so far this tour. I called the Kansas City and Des Moines venues to get more information on the VIP and meet & greet experiences--both acknowledge selling this package, but had no information on what it entailed.

My kids got me tickets to the KC show for Christmas but I doubt they got they got the VIP option.
It looks like I got lucky. The band kicks off its Summer tour right here in downtown Kansas City. May 14, 2016. Great venue with a rich history and priced up another tier!
This was from a December 11 post.

Great present Cam!


I'll be in touch when I actually have tickets in hand.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: beatle608 on January 26, 2016, 07:41:54 PM
Does anyone know what the internet presale code is for the May 12th Rockford, IL show?

The show isn't even on The Beach Boys or the venue's website, but it's on Ticketmaster:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/the-beach-boys-rockford-illinois-05-12-2016/event/04005039DB572578?artistid=734518&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=1


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mikeddonn on January 27, 2016, 11:41:57 AM
John, I'll be going to Glasgow and Edinburgh.  No pre-sale info yet.  Not even any prices for packages etc which isn't good IMHO.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Shift on January 27, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
John, I'll be going to Glasgow and Edinburgh.  No pre-sale info yet.  Not even any prices for packages etc which isn't good IMHO.

Glasgow and poss Manc for me… I'll be in the cheap seats as I just can't accept this VIP package crap. I was applied in 02 and 04, meeting Brian and various band members numerous times and paying to breathe the same air isn't right. I don't charge friends who come round for dinner I don't expect a whip round in the pub so folk can share my presence, and I'm f***ed if I'll pay a premium on top of my seat price to spend times with folks I used to share a pint with.



It's just me being a tight grumpy Yorkshireman. Ignore me and I'll shut up and go away…

Glasgow tickets are on sale from 10am Friday; that's enough for (from?) me. :)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Shift on January 27, 2016, 01:33:32 PM
John, I'll be going to Glasgow and Edinburgh.  No pre-sale info yet.  Not even any prices for packages etc which isn't good IMHO.

Glasgow and poss Manc for me… I'll be in the cheap seats as I just can't accept this VIP package crap. I was applied in 02 and 04, meeting Brian and various band members numerous times and paying to breathe the same air isn't right. I don't charge friends who come round for dinner I don't expect a whip round in the pub so folk can share my presence, and I'm f***ed if I'll pay a premium on top of my seat price to spend times with folks I used to share a pint with.



It's just me being a tight grumpy Yorkshireman. Ignore me and I'll shut up and go away…

Glasgow tickets are on sale from 10am Friday; that's enough for (from?) me. :)

We're in the wrong thread aren't we! How did that happen?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 27, 2016, 02:08:51 PM
Glasgow and poss Manc for me… I'll be in the cheap seats as I just can't accept this VIP package crap. I was applied in 02 and 04, meeting Brian and various band members numerous times and paying to breathe the same air isn't right. I don't charge friends who come round for dinner I don't expect a whip round in the pub so folk can share my presence, and I'm f***ed if I'll pay a premium on top of my seat price to spend times with folks I used to share a pint with.

I agree with this, basically. The soundcheck package is rather different -- that's basically paying more for a better seat and an extra performance, so I'll be going for that -- but I won't be paying for a meet and greet.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mikeddonn on January 27, 2016, 03:38:06 PM
Lol, sorry guys that was my mistake!  I read John's post in the other thread and replied to it here.  ;D

Let's get out of here until Mike and Bruce come back to the UK!  :-D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 03, 2016, 08:30:39 PM
I've never seen a BB show with no Wilsons, but I'm tempted to catch them next Tuesday at this cool old theater in Brooklyn, with a great Groupon discount:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-beach-boys-6


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 04, 2016, 02:27:28 AM
I've never seen a BB show with no Wilsons, but I'm tempted to catch them next Tuesday at this cool old theater in Brooklyn, with a great Groupon discount:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-beach-boys-6

I'd definitely take the offer up. When they play theatres, rather than outdoor venues, they often do longer shows with more of the unusual songs, not just the hits, so you'll more than get your money's worth. Looking at the setlist they were playing in theatres last week ( http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/2016/granada-theatre-santa-barbara-ca-3f3dd4b.html ), there's some great stuff in there -- Good To My Baby, All This Is That, Til I Die -- that they only do at that kind of venue, and that they do *very* well (Jeff sounds absolutely gorgeous on All This Is That). For the kind of prices they're asking on that site, it'll probably be the best value show you've ever been to...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 04, 2016, 05:09:38 AM
I've never seen a BB show with no Wilsons, but I'm tempted to catch them next Tuesday at this cool old theater in Brooklyn, with a great Groupon discount:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-beach-boys-6

I'd definitely take the offer up. When they play theatres, rather than outdoor venues, they often do longer shows with more of the unusual songs, not just the hits, so you'll more than get your money's worth. Looking at the setlist they were playing in theatres last week ( http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/2016/granada-theatre-santa-barbara-ca-3f3dd4b.html ), there's some great stuff in there -- Good To My Baby, All This Is That, Til I Die -- that they only do at that kind of venue, and that they do *very* well (Jeff sounds absolutely gorgeous on All This Is That). For the kind of prices they're asking on that site, it'll probably be the best value show you've ever been to...

I can't remember who posted it. 

But somebody on this forum (might've been the 2015 M&B thread) said if you post song requests on Mike's Facebook page, he sometimes includes them.

I'm going to try that next week for the theater gig I'm seeing in Baltimore. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 04, 2016, 05:59:54 AM
I can't remember who posted it. 

But somebody on this forum (might've been the 2015 M&B thread) said if you post song requests on Mike's Facebook page, he sometimes includes them.

I'm going to try that next week for the theater gig I'm seeing in Baltimore. 

He does. Not always, and it's obviously more likely if it's something they do at least semi-regularly so they have it rehearsed up -- so for example a request for Betsy, which they play often but not always, is more likely to happen than one for Surf's Up, which I don't think they've played since the UK tour -- but it does happen, and definitely worth a shot.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 04, 2016, 06:07:03 AM
I can't remember who posted it. 

But somebody on this forum (might've been the 2015 M&B thread) said if you post song requests on Mike's Facebook page, he sometimes includes them.

I'm going to try that next week for the theater gig I'm seeing in Baltimore. 

He does. Not always, and it's obviously more likely if it's something they do at least semi-regularly so they have it rehearsed up -- so for example a request for Betsy, which they play often but not always, is more likely to happen than one for Surf's Up, which I don't think they've played since the UK tour -- but it does happen, and definitely worth a shot.

I've seen Brian do Surf's Up, so I wouldn't be disappointed if M&B don't do it. 

The three big requests I'd have are All I Wanna Do, Til I Die, and Warmth of the Sun.  I know all three of these have been performed at theater shows in the last year or so. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 04, 2016, 06:58:47 AM
I can't remember who posted it. 

But somebody on this forum (might've been the 2015 M&B thread) said if you post song requests on Mike's Facebook page, he sometimes includes them.

I'm going to try that next week for the theater gig I'm seeing in Baltimore. 

He does. Not always, and it's obviously more likely if it's something they do at least semi-regularly so they have it rehearsed up -- so for example a request for Betsy, which they play often but not always, is more likely to happen than one for Surf's Up, which I don't think they've played since the UK tour -- but it does happen, and definitely worth a shot.

I've seen Brian do Surf's Up, so I wouldn't be disappointed if M&B don't do it. 

The three big requests I'd have are All I Wanna Do, Til I Die, and Warmth of the Sun.  I know all three of these have been performed at theater shows in the last year or so. 
They did my request for All I Wanna Do back during the summer for a non theatre show which was a shock for me. But in addition to All I Wanna Do id love to hear some Pet Sounds stuff, Here Today and You Still Believe In Me (which Ike does a great job on btw). Maybe Scott will see the requests on here or Mike here's hoping. Maybe start a request thread? Haha. I know there's at least 3 or 4 of us on here going to the Baltimore show who would love to hear All I Wanna Do.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 04, 2016, 07:01:47 AM
I can't remember who posted it. 

But somebody on this forum (might've been the 2015 M&B thread) said if you post song requests on Mike's Facebook page, he sometimes includes them.

I'm going to try that next week for the theater gig I'm seeing in Baltimore. 

He does. Not always, and it's obviously more likely if it's something they do at least semi-regularly so they have it rehearsed up -- so for example a request for Betsy, which they play often but not always, is more likely to happen than one for Surf's Up, which I don't think they've played since the UK tour -- but it does happen, and definitely worth a shot.

I've seen Brian do Surf's Up, so I wouldn't be disappointed if M&B don't do it. 

The three big requests I'd have are All I Wanna Do, Til I Die, and Warmth of the Sun.  I know all three of these have been performed at theater shows in the last year or so. 
They did my request for All I Wanna Do back during the summer for a non theatre show which was a shock for me. But in addition to All I Wanna Do id love to hear some Pet Sounds stuff, Here Today and You Still Believe In Me (which Ike does a great job on btw). Maybe Scott will see the requests on here or Mike here's hoping. Maybe start a request thread? Haha. I know there's at least 3 or 4 of us on here going to the Baltimore show who would love to hear All I Wanna Do.

Hop on FB too.  With a few of us Baltimore show folks putting in requests, maybe Mike will be persuaded. 

I know he said in an interview last year that The Beach Boys would be celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds this year too.  Which probably means adding some tracks beyond the normal big three.  I know last year, they were heavy on 1965 Today/SDSM material. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 04, 2016, 02:09:48 PM
I've never seen a BB show with no Wilsons, but I'm tempted to catch them next Tuesday at this cool old theater in Brooklyn, with a great Groupon discount:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-beach-boys-6

I'd definitely take the offer up. When they play theatres, rather than outdoor venues, they often do longer shows with more of the unusual songs, not just the hits, so you'll more than get your money's worth. Looking at the setlist they were playing in theatres last week ( http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/2016/granada-theatre-santa-barbara-ca-3f3dd4b.html ), there's some great stuff in there -- Good To My Baby, All This Is That, Til I Die -- that they only do at that kind of venue, and that they do *very* well (Jeff sounds absolutely gorgeous on All This Is That). For the kind of prices they're asking on that site, it'll probably be the best value show you've ever been to...

I can't remember who posted it.  

But somebody on this forum (might've been the 2015 M&B thread) said if you post song requests on Mike's Facebook page, he sometimes includes them.

I'm going to try that next week for the theater gig I'm seeing in Baltimore.  

"Hang on to Your Ego" and "Cabinessence"!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 05, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
Just a heads-up for anyone on the fence about the Brooklyn NY show on Feb. 9th -- there's a great discount offer for last-minute tickets on Groupon:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-beach-boys-6



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 05, 2016, 05:40:08 PM
Heard an advertisement on the radio for the Baltimore show today...never heard a radio plug for them before! It consisted of the chorus of "Good Vibrations" with a cheesy voice-over assuring we would hear ALL the hits. They also clearly defined that the band was featuring Mike Love and Bruce Johnston, thought that was nice considering the occasional confusion with press/media releases.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SonoraDick on February 05, 2016, 07:49:56 PM
Just a heads-up for anyone on the fence about the Brooklyn NY show on Feb. 9th -- there's a great discount offer for last-minute tickets on Groupon:

https://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-beach-boys-6



Per Groupon, the backing band includes "Randell Kirsch, Scott Totem, Christian Love (of Mike Love’s loins)".


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 08, 2016, 02:29:55 PM
Bought two 15 dollar tix and am taking a friend tomorrow in Brooklyn.  The theater itself is a draw for me.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 09, 2016, 09:39:48 PM
Saw the M&B BBs at the Kings Theater tonight and was impressed.  Very tight band and vocals with some great deep cuts.  Don't Back Down, 'Til I Die, and Farmer's Daughter among others.  Was an almost "Full House" and a great venue with excellent acoustics.  Mike seemed hoarse but his (and Bruce's) vocals were fine.  Mike's patter was fun and restrained.  Gave a heartfelt observance of the recent anniversary of Carl's passing.  Also referred nicely to his "cousin Brian".

It wasn't the religious experience a Brian gig is for me, but I had a great time as did the whole audience who were into it.  The band is like half the size of Brian's, and only 5 vocalists, so you don't get that same wall of sound, but they were excellent and tight and filled the room.  Foskett was in great voice (seemed a bit subdued),  Totten is a terrific guitar player, channeling those great Carl leads with just the right amount of added pizazz.  And John Cowsill is maybe the best BB related drummer I have witnessed!  Really, he is great.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 10, 2016, 12:05:39 AM
Per Groupon, the backing band includes "Randell Kirsch, Scott Totem, Christian Love (of Mike Love’s loins)".

Thanks. I really needed to read that before breakfast...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: drbeachboy on February 10, 2016, 09:11:40 AM
Saw the M&B BBs at the Kings Theater tonight and was impressed.  Very tight band and vocals with some great deep cuts.  Don't Back Down, 'Til I Die, and Farmer's Daughter among others.  Was an almost "Full House" and a great venue with excellent acoustics.  Mike seemed hoarse but his (and Bruce's) vocals were fine.  Mike's patter was fun and restrained.  Gave a heartfelt observance of the recent anniversary of Carl's passing.  Also referred nicely to his "cousin Brian".

It wasn't the religious experience a Brian gig is for me, but I had a great time as did the whole audience who were into it.  The band is like half the size of Brian's, and only 5 vocalists, so you don't get that same wall of sound, but they were excellent and tight and filled the room.  Foskett was in great voice (seemed a bit subdued),  Totten is a terrific guitar player, channeling those great Carl leads with just the right amount of added pizazz.  And John Cowsill is maybe the best BB related drummer I have witnessed!  Really, he is great.
I always looked at myself as one of the Beach Boys greatest fans, but you have me beat. I have been to 50 plus shows between the Boys' and Brian and never, ever did it feel like a religious experience. But then again, I never felt that fun & euphoria come over me during church or catechism class. ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 10, 2016, 09:36:58 AM
Saw the M&B BBs at the Kings Theater tonight and was impressed.  Very tight band and vocals with some great deep cuts.  Don't Back Down, 'Til I Die, and Farmer's Daughter among others.  Was an almost "Full House" and a great venue with excellent acoustics.  Mike seemed hoarse but his (and Bruce's) vocals were fine.  Mike's patter was fun and restrained.  Gave a heartfelt observance of the recent anniversary of Carl's passing.  Also referred nicely to his "cousin Brian".

It wasn't the religious experience a Brian gig is for me, but I had a great time as did the whole audience who were into it.  The band is like half the size of Brian's, and only 5 vocalists, so you don't get that same wall of sound, but they were excellent and tight and filled the room.  Foskett was in great voice (seemed a bit subdued),  Totten is a terrific guitar player, channeling those great Carl leads with just the right amount of added pizazz.  And John Cowsill is maybe the best BB related drummer I have witnessed!  Really, he is great.

This looks just like the review I was going to leave! I was blown away by the show. Generally speaking my heart is with Brian's shows, but Mike and the guys came to the plate tremendously at this beautiful theater.

The deep cuts were a treat to hear. Farmer's Daughter, 'Til I Die, The Warmth of the Sun, All This Is That, Ballad of Ole Betsy and plenty more. 

Their Hearts Were Full of Spring was breathtaking, probably the highlight of the night for me. Acapella with Mike, Bruce, Scott and Brian Eichenberger at the front of the stage doing close harmonies. The song was done at a much brisker pace than I'd ever heard it, which was interesting. Pin-drop silence as the audience hung on every word.   

I thought Bruce sounded unusually strong on You're So Good To Me and Disney Girls.

It was a long show, and Mike took the lead on an astounding number of songs. Just amazing he can do this every show.

All the BBs greatest hits sounded strong. Do It Again and Darlin' were particular standouts for me, both with killer drumming by John Cowsill.

Great night!



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 10, 2016, 10:00:43 AM
Saw the M&B BBs at the Kings Theater tonight and was impressed.  Very tight band and vocals with some great deep cuts.  Don't Back Down, 'Til I Die, and Farmer's Daughter among others.  Was an almost "Full House" and a great venue with excellent acoustics.  Mike seemed hoarse but his (and Bruce's) vocals were fine.  Mike's patter was fun and restrained.  Gave a heartfelt observance of the recent anniversary of Carl's passing.  Also referred nicely to his "cousin Brian".

It wasn't the religious experience a Brian gig is for me, but I had a great time as did the whole audience who were into it.  The band is like half the size of Brian's, and only 5 vocalists, so you don't get that same wall of sound, but they were excellent and tight and filled the room.  Foskett was in great voice (seemed a bit subdued),  Totten is a terrific guitar player, channeling those great Carl leads with just the right amount of added pizazz.  And John Cowsill is maybe the best BB related drummer I have witnessed!  Really, he is great.
I always looked at myself as one of the Beach Boys greatest fans, but you have me beat. I have been to 50 plus shows between the Boys' and Brian and never, ever did it feel like a religious experience. But then again, I never felt that fun & euphoria come over me during church or catechism class. ;)

:/


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 10, 2016, 10:12:43 AM
Saw the M&B BBs at the Kings Theater tonight and was impressed.  Very tight band and vocals with some great deep cuts.  Don't Back Down, 'Til I Die, and Farmer's Daughter among others.  Was an almost "Full House" and a great venue with excellent acoustics.  Mike seemed hoarse but his (and Bruce's) vocals were fine.  Mike's patter was fun and restrained.  Gave a heartfelt observance of the recent anniversary of Carl's passing.  Also referred nicely to his "cousin Brian".

It wasn't the religious experience a Brian gig is for me, but I had a great time as did the whole audience who were into it.  The band is like half the size of Brian's, and only 5 vocalists, so you don't get that same wall of sound, but they were excellent and tight and filled the room.  Foskett was in great voice (seemed a bit subdued),  Totten is a terrific guitar player, channeling those great Carl leads with just the right amount of added pizazz.  And John Cowsill is maybe the best BB related drummer I have witnessed!  Really, he is great.

This looks just like the review I was going to leave! I was blown away by the show. Generally speaking my heart is with Brian's shows, but Mike and the guys came to the plate tremendously at this beautiful theater.

The deep cuts were a treat to hear. Farmer's Daughter, 'Til I Die, The Warmth of the Sun, All This Is That, Ballad of Ole Betsy and plenty more. 

Their Hearts Were Full of Spring was breathtaking, probably the highlight of the night for me. Acapella with Mike, Bruce, Scott and Brian Eichenberger at the front of the stage doing close harmonies. The song was done at a much brisker pace than I'd ever heard it, which was interesting. Pin-drop silence as the audience hung on every word.   

I thought Bruce sounded unusually strong on You're So Good To Me and Disney Girls.

It was a long show, and Mike took the lead on an astounding number of songs. Just amazing he can do this every show.

All the BBs greatest hits sounded strong. Do It Again and Darlin' were particular standouts for me, both with killer drumming by John Cowsill.

Great night!



Yeah, "Their Hearts Were full of Spring" was likely the highlight.  Perfect in that setting.  And very touching.

It seemed the heart and focus of the show was not "the hits" although they were well performed and received.  The 1st part of the "2nd part" was very deep and moody.  Lots of "in-between" cuts (between hits and deep) like "Darlin'", "I Can Hear Music", :California Dreaming'",  "Do You Wanna Dance?".  In fact they performed about 4/5s of "Today"!

My quibbles would be some of the video stuff was distracting -- showing the original videos n some songs was a little head scratching.  "Carl" on lead vocals on "God Only Knows" I'm not sure about.  And Mike's song "Pisces Brothers" dedicated to George Harrison was pretty self serving, not to mention a lame tune!

But quibbles they are.  Gotta give credit where it is due, and clearly Mike and Bruce rose to the occasion.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 10, 2016, 10:32:55 AM
I like the presentation they do with the footage from the past 55 years. 

Although I'll admit I had a chuckle when I saw them last summer, and during Kokomo, the video they showed had the VH1 Classic logo on the bottom right. 

Judging from this review, I'm really looking forward to seeing them a week from tonight. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 10, 2016, 11:47:15 AM
I'm very glad that Americans are getting to see something approaching the shows Mike & Bruce have been bringing to the UK for years. Everyone has fun at a twenty-to-thirty-song hits show, of course, but these long theatre shows give the band a real chance to show that they can represent all sides of the music.
I too have never had the transcendent experience at a Mike & Bruce show that I've had at some of the better Brian shows, but the shows last year, and in 2008, came *very* close...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 10, 2016, 12:11:11 PM
Wow! Sounds might powerful...just as I had been hoping when they announced The Lyric gig. Hopefully the setlist holds up, or continues to grow! Especially hoping to hear "Till I Die" and "The Warmth of The Sun"...would be amazing to add in "All I Wanna Do"...and get "Wild Honey" back on there!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 10, 2016, 01:11:15 PM
"I Can Hear Music"
Forgot about this one... that was a treat to hear live too. Fine vocals by Jeff, and I love the handclap/'hold me tight' section towards the end where the instruments drop out. Sweet rendition.

My quibbles would be some of the video stuff was distracting -- showing the original videos n some songs was a little head scratching. 
I can't disagree that it sometimes got distracting. They ran the original 'Getcha Back' video from the 80s, where a geeky doofus in a screaming white suit tries to get the woman of his dreams... it was extremely funny, and towards the end I realized I had tuned out the song entirely.  :lol



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 10, 2016, 01:50:59 PM
 
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I can't disagree that it sometimes got distracting. They ran the original 'Getcha Back' video from the 80s, where a geeky doofus in a screaming white suit tries to get the woman of his dreams... it was extremely funny, and towards the end I realized I had tuned out the song entirely.  :lol


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Exactly.  On the other hand some of the flashback photos and video were quite touching.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 11, 2016, 09:28:50 AM
Wow! Sounds might powerful...just as I had been hoping when they announced The Lyric gig. Hopefully the setlist holds up, or continues to grow! Especially hoping to hear "Till I Die" and "The Warmth of The Sun"...would be amazing to add in "All I Wanna Do"...and get "Wild Honey" back on there!
I honestly think if enough of us request All I Wanna Do they'll play it for sure.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 11, 2016, 09:40:58 AM
Wow! Sounds might powerful...just as I had been hoping when they announced The Lyric gig. Hopefully the setlist holds up, or continues to grow! Especially hoping to hear "Till I Die" and "The Warmth of The Sun"...would be amazing to add in "All I Wanna Do"...and get "Wild Honey" back on there!
I honestly think if enough of us request All I Wanna Do they'll play it for sure.

I'm planning on making a request on both Mike and TBB Facebook pages for All I Wanna Do, Til I Die, and Warmth of the Sun. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 11, 2016, 10:27:37 AM
Wow! Sounds might powerful...just as I had been hoping when they announced The Lyric gig. Hopefully the setlist holds up, or continues to grow! Especially hoping to hear "Till I Die" and "The Warmth of The Sun"...would be amazing to add in "All I Wanna Do"...and get "Wild Honey" back on there!
I honestly think if enough of us request All I Wanna Do they'll play it for sure.

I'm planning on making a request on both Mike and TBB Facebook pages for All I Wanna Do, Til I Die, and Warmth of the Sun. 

I'm in!  ;D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 11, 2016, 11:00:12 AM
All I Wanna Do would be lovely to hear live. I think that was the only deep cut I wanted to hear AND had a good chance of hearing that they didn't do at the Brooklyn show.

I must say too, I thought that the relatively adventurous setlist was well-rewarded, which was great to see. I felt like the crowd was quite attentive for the deep and semi-deep cuts; none of that 'everyone heading to the restrooms' dynamic you sometimes get at shows when a band leaves off playing the songs that everybody knows.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 11, 2016, 11:23:02 AM
Wow! Sounds might powerful...just as I had been hoping when they announced The Lyric gig. Hopefully the setlist holds up, or continues to grow! Especially hoping to hear "Till I Die" and "The Warmth of The Sun"...would be amazing to add in "All I Wanna Do"...and get "Wild Honey" back on there!
I honestly think if enough of us request All I Wanna Do they'll play it for sure.

I'm planning on making a request on both Mike and TBB Facebook pages for All I Wanna Do, Til I Die, and Warmth of the Sun. 

I'm in!  ;D

Sounds good. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 11, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
All I Wanna Do would be lovely to hear live. I think that was the only deep cut I wanted to hear AND had a good chance of hearing that they didn't do at the Brooklyn show.

I must say too, I thought that the relatively adventurous setlist was well-rewarded, which was great to see. I felt like the crowd was quite attentive for the deep and semi-deep cuts; none of that 'everyone heading to the restrooms' dynamic you sometimes get at shows when a band leaves off playing the songs that everybody knows.



That's the key. A balance is definitely required, but Mike and Bruce are keeping that in tact just fine. There's plenty of room for more deep works when doing qinter theatre gigs like this.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: lastofmykind on February 13, 2016, 10:08:59 PM
I saw the touring Beach Boys tonight in Colingswood, NJ.  All in all a very decent effort turned in by the boys of summer tonight.  They seemed to have started out just a tad bit sluggish, this was their second show of the day.  All members were in excellent vocal form, this seemed to be a great.  A few very interesting observations from the show.  Jeff Foskett used his new signature 12 string guitar during WIBN and SJB as well as Cal Girls, quite an interesting looking guitar.  Dennis Wilson on lead vocals for Do you wanna dance, in the original tempo takes away from the faster tempo it had with Bruce on lead.  Overall a very nice show with a few deeper cuts but one can def not complain!  Setlist as follows

Surfin'
Catch a Wave
Don't Back Down
Little Honda
Do It Again
Goin' to the Beach
Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl
Farmer's Daughter
Good to My Baby
You're So Good to Me
Dance, Dance, Dance
I'm So Young
Why Do Fools Fall in Love
When I Grow Up (to Be a Man)
Darlin
Be True to Your School
Don't Worry Baby
Little Deuce Coupe
409
Shut Down
I Get Around
Sloop John B
Wouldn't It Be Nice
Then I Kissed Her
California Girls
Their Hearts Were Full of Spring
The Warmth of the Sun
God Only Knows
Pisces Brothers
Good Vibrations
Do You Wanna Dance?
Help Me, Rhonda
Barbara Ann
Surfin' U.S.A.

Encore:
Kokomo
Fun, Fun, Fun


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 16, 2016, 06:58:54 AM
Put in good word for some deep cuts...all we can do is wait and see! Mike and Bruce with this band in The Lyric Opera House is going to be sensational in itself...it can only get better from there!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 16, 2016, 10:01:52 AM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 16, 2016, 10:08:23 AM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!

I'm looking forward to it as well.  Should be a great show, and a much needed dose of sunshine during a bad winter. 



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 16, 2016, 10:21:39 AM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!

I'm looking forward to it as well.  Should be a great show, and a much needed dose of sunshine during a bad winter. 


Couldn't agree more! No matter if it's Mike & Bruce or Brian, Al and Blondie i always leave the show with a smile on my face! Doesn't matter what they play or for how long it's all feel good music for me and each time I see them I feel lucky to be there again.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 16, 2016, 11:05:35 AM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!

I'm looking forward to it as well.  Should be a great show, and a much needed dose of sunshine during a bad winter. 


Couldn't agree more! No matter if it's Mike & Bruce or Brian, Al and Blondie i always leave the show with a smile on my face! Doesn't matter what they play or for how long it's all feel good music for me and each time I see them I feel lucky to be there again.

Same here.  Two weeks after the Mike and Bruce show in Baltimore, tickets for Brian's show in Bethesda finally go on sale. 

I imagine Mike and Bruce will be in the area again during the summer also. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 16, 2016, 04:17:03 PM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!

I'm looking forward to it as well.  Should be a great show, and a much needed dose of sunshine during a bad winter. 


Couldn't agree more! No matter if it's Mike & Bruce or Brian, Al and Blondie i always leave the show with a smile on my face! Doesn't matter what they play or for how long it's all feel good music for me and each time I see them I feel lucky to be there again.

Same here.  Two weeks after the Mike and Bruce show in Baltimore, tickets for Brian's show in Bethesda finally go on sale. 

I imagine Mike and Bruce will be in the area again during the summer also. 

Amen. Bout time for Brian's tix...the only date on the whole list hanging out!

I've been curious about the summer. I doubt they'll return to MD this summer, but Wolf Trap and the American Music Theatre are likely repeats.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 16, 2016, 07:24:40 PM
We'll be awaiting the Baltimore reviews.   :)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: beatle608 on February 16, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
For anyone in the Milwaukee area, Mike and Bruce will be playing the Wisconsin State Fair on August 14th.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 17, 2016, 05:10:38 AM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!

I'm looking forward to it as well.  Should be a great show, and a much needed dose of sunshine during a bad winter. 


Couldn't agree more! No matter if it's Mike & Bruce or Brian, Al and Blondie i always leave the show with a smile on my face! Doesn't matter what they play or for how long it's all feel good music for me and each time I see them I feel lucky to be there again.

Same here.  Two weeks after the Mike and Bruce show in Baltimore, tickets for Brian's show in Bethesda finally go on sale. 

I imagine Mike and Bruce will be in the area again during the summer also. 

Amen. Bout time for Brian's tix...the only date on the whole list hanging out!

I've been curious about the summer. I doubt they'll return to MD this summer, but Wolf Trap and the American Music Theatre are likely repeats.

I think Pier 6 in Baltimore is a possibility. 

Also, Ocean City, MD.  They sold out Sunfest in September 2013.  The last two years, they played Selbyville, DE which is a stone's throw from Ocean City. 

If they play Pier 6, I'd probably go.  But I'm not certain that I'd make the trip to Wolf Trap again.  For a small venue, we were stuck in the parking lot for a while.  Especially with seeing them in Baltimore tonight, and Brian in Bethesda in September. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 17, 2016, 06:13:56 AM
Put in mine too, hopefully at least one gets played. I'm sure we all requested all I wanna do so maybe on that one fingers crossed. The way it's going maybe we can get a 50 song set since they've had a few days off haha. We shall see tomorrow, can't wait!

I'm looking forward to it as well.  Should be a great show, and a much needed dose of sunshine during a bad winter. 


Couldn't agree more! No matter if it's Mike & Bruce or Brian, Al and Blondie i always leave the show with a smile on my face! Doesn't matter what they play or for how long it's all feel good music for me and each time I see them I feel lucky to be there again.

Same here.  Two weeks after the Mike and Bruce show in Baltimore, tickets for Brian's show in Bethesda finally go on sale. 

I imagine Mike and Bruce will be in the area again during the summer also. 

Amen. Bout time for Brian's tix...the only date on the whole list hanging out!

I've been curious about the summer. I doubt they'll return to MD this summer, but Wolf Trap and the American Music Theatre are likely repeats.

I think Pier 6 in Baltimore is a possibility. 

Also, Ocean City, MD.  They sold out Sunfest in September 2013.  The last two years, they played Selbyville, DE which is a stone's throw from Ocean City. 

If they play Pier 6, I'd probably go.  But I'm not certain that I'd make the trip to Wolf Trap again.  For a small venue, we were stuck in the parking lot for a while.  Especially with seeing them in Baltimore tonight, and Brian in Bethesda in September. 

I despise Wolf Trap. Had an AWFUL experience with Ringo & The All Starrs in '14. Nothing at the fault of the band...but never going back to that venue.

Two Baltimore appearances in one year just doesn't seem realistic based on Mike and Bruce's touring history, but who knows!? Ocean City was a blast. It would be great to actually have them on the beach and just under the tent, of course, that did help with the rain at the end...

Pier Six is kind of the perfect Mike and Bruce summertime spot in my opinion. Outdoor with cover, on the water, just perfect!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 17, 2016, 06:28:06 AM
Rubbersoul,

I'm with you on Wolf Trap.  It would take a lot to get me to go back there again.  Same goes for Jiffy Lube Live. 

Luckily, last year's show was a 3pm Sunday concert, so even with the struggles in the parking lot, we still got home at a decent hour. 

My wife and I make it to Ocean City a few times each summer.  It would be pretty cool to catch a Beach Boys show there at some point. 



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: David1964 on February 17, 2016, 10:39:25 AM
For anyone in the Milwaukee area, Mike and Bruce will be playing the Wisconsin State Fair on August 14th.

I haven't been able to find a confirmation on this one yet. Any idea when tickets go on sale?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 17, 2016, 01:57:25 PM
We'll be awaiting the Baltimore reviews.   :)

Getting ready then out to dinner...then we'll be at the Lyric! Gotta love when the venue is about 20 mins from home!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 17, 2016, 07:22:09 PM
Great show, I'll let others expand more on it. No All I Wanna Do, however it was on the Setlist I got off of the stage, so it looks like they skipped it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 17, 2016, 08:24:36 PM
Great show, I'll let others expand more on it. No All I Wanna Do, however it was on the Setlist I got off of the stage, so it looks like they skipped it.

Damn. I saw Mike go over to Scott and motion as if they were cutting something after "Disney Girls"...I presume that was it?

Anyway! This was by far the best Mike and Bruce show I've seen...and this is #7 for me. It was the most songs, the most energy, the most emotion, and the best seats, too! We had an intermission...Bruce said it was 47 songs...I guess it was 46 with the subtraction of "All I Wanna Do". Less common songs songs were: Don't Back Down, Wendy, Kiss Me Baby, You're So Good To Me, Good To My Baby (first set) and, The Warmth of The Sun, All This is That, Their Hearts Were Full of Spring, I Can Hear Music (second set). They also played a snippet of "Birthday" and brought out a guitar cake for Foskett's 60th birthday!

I felt all the songs went over very well with the exception of two: "All This is That" and....(you guessed it) "Pisces Brothers", both seemed to fall very flat. It's probably best "All I Wanna Do" was left out. Don't get me wrong, this was a relatively great crowd (especially compared to the last two gigs in Lancaster) but it was like being at church sometimes...they had to be told when to stand, when they're allowed to clap, when to sit...  :lol  There were also lots of young faces, especially up front. I didn't feel out of place for once!

My girlfriend and I had a little interaction with Mike and Bruce sporadically throughout the night. The best was during "Do You Wanna Dance" when the two tipsy middle aged women in the front row (we were row two in front of Bruce) were clapping on the wrong beat and we were clapping AT them on the right beat and they had no idea...Bruce was cracking up!  :lol

All of the voices sounded excellent...in particular: Bruce. His falsettos and his leads were very strong tonight, and he had a fair amount of them. Two flubs that were noticeably to me were the start of "Kiss Me Baby"...the band didn't seem quite set but Cowsill just went for it (who was a MONSTER tonight by the way!!!) and on "Then I Kissed Her" there was something wonky with the guitar...but incredibly minor things that passed very quickly. Such a tight band. Got lots of great pictures...and the mega-cool Summer Days/Summer Nights shirt that's popped up on here...it was $50 in Lancaster last summer...$20 tonight! Woo-hoo!

I hope we get another theatre show in the Baltimore area soon!!! Thanks guys!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 18, 2016, 05:25:51 AM
I was at the Baltimore show last night.  As much as I liked the show at Wolf Trap last August, this show was 10X better. 

Highlights:

Granted, this is only my 5th Beach Boys related show (C50, 2 BW, 2 M&B), but this was my first time hearing Warmth of the Sun live, and it was marvelous. 

Bruce and the band did a great version of Disney Girls. 

I agree with RubberSoul that the crowd wasn't really into some of the deeper tracks like All This is That, but it was great to hear it again (although this was one of the few times during the set when I thought Foskett's voice sounded a little forced doing Carl's part)

I think the crowd got the most amped up for Sloop John B / Wouldn't It Be Nice. 

I was glad to hear California Dreaming, as I've always like their version.  It was even better without the dated 80s sax solo. 

Mike saw me with a camera, posed, and gave me a thumbs up after I took the picture.

This was the first BB show I've seen with Scott playing most of the guitar leads and he killed it.

The harmonies with Mike, Bruce, Scott, and Brian E were great on Their Hearts Were Full of Spring. 

Mike sang lead on Help Me, Rhonda, and I thought did a good job. 

Two predictable complaints:

Goin to the Beach - So many other surf/beach songs they could've played instead (ie. Hawaii, It's OK, Beaches in Mind, etc, etc).  Granted its a catchy tune.  But, let's not forget this song wasn't good enough for the awful KTSA album. 

Pisces Brother - Is there anybody out there who actually likes this song?  Silver lining - Scott's guitar solo is great, but it's the lone highlight of a great mediocre song.  The fact that it follows GOK makes it sound even worse.

All in all, a great night.  I would definitely see them again if they play another local theater show.

Also of note, Coswill was sporting a green Beach Boys - Pet Sounds t-shirt.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 18, 2016, 05:55:18 AM
It's great to hear these stories about people having such positive experiences at Mike & Bruce shows, and them doing sets closer to the kind of shows they do in the UK for their American fans.
Odd to hear that Jeff sounded strained on All This Is That -- he's usually *beautiful* on that, it's one of his best vocals normally. Maybe he was having a bad night with his throat or something.
Also odd to hear that Pisces didn't go down well with the crowd. It's not a song I like much, but I've seen casual-fan audience members in tears at that one (it seems to go down better with people who aren't as familiar with the band, for whatever reason). It's surprising that it didn't get much reaction (maybe it's a US/UK difference...)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 18, 2016, 06:23:49 AM
It's great to hear these stories about people having such positive experiences at Mike & Bruce shows, and them doing sets closer to the kind of shows they do in the UK for their American fans.
Odd to hear that Jeff sounded strained on All This Is That -- he's usually *beautiful* on that, it's one of his best vocals normally. Maybe he was having a bad night with his throat or something.
Also odd to hear that Pisces didn't go down well with the crowd. It's not a song I like much, but I've seen casual-fan audience members in tears at that one (it seems to go down better with people who aren't as familiar with the band, for whatever reason). It's surprising that it didn't get much reaction (maybe it's a US/UK difference...)

I'll admit that the images on the screen of George make that audio/visual experience a little emotional (especially since it tends to follow the Carl tribute).  I just wish it were a better song. 

I also think that many US fans go to a Beach Boys show to dance and sing Fun Fun Fun, I Get Around, and Barbara Ann. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 18, 2016, 07:24:49 AM
I'll admit that the images on the screen of George make that audio/visual experience a little emotional (especially since it tends to follow the Carl tribute).  I just wish it were a better song. 

So do I. The scansion's all over the place, which is quite surprising for a lyricist of Mike's ability. It's a poorly-crafted song, though there's a decent melodic idea in there. But the audiences I've been in have seemed to disagree.

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I also think that many US fans go to a Beach Boys show to dance and sing Fun Fun Fun, I Get Around, and Barbara Ann. 
So do the British fans for the most part -- although the songs that seem to get the best reaction tend to be I Get Around, Wouldn't It Be Nice and, oddly, You're So Good To Me (when they play that one)...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 18, 2016, 07:33:33 AM
Andrew,

At the BB related shows I've attended over the last four years or so, Wouldn't It Be Nice always brings the house down. 

I haven't noticed the same reaction for YSGTM. 

Help Me Rhonda, Barbara Ann, and Fun Fun Fun also gets the house rocking as well. 

I agree there's a decent song hidden in Pisces Brother.  Maybe a collaboration with somebody more musically inclined could rescue that song from tedium.  Maybe Scott Totten could help, as I think his guitar solo is that song's saving grace.  If they can improve it, I'm all for it, because I don't think the song's going anywhere. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 18, 2016, 09:45:29 AM
You're So Good To Me had the crowd clapping the whole way through last night, and Bruce sounded stronger than last summer at AMT on it. Agreed KDS, if I didn't say it above, that was the best "Disney Girls" I've heard. When Bruce struck that last lone pitch at the end you could've heard a pin drop in the room. It was marvelous.

I think Mike and Bruce should put together a "history" type show like The Eagles did. The first part can be 25 songs from 62-66, finishing with the Pet Sounds hits. Then  after that, a lot of the one-timer greatest hit type fans will be ready to go home! :lol  Then, we get 25 songs from 67-...well, as far as they want!

Just a pipe dream I s'pose!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 18, 2016, 09:53:01 AM
You're So Good To Me had the crowd clapping the whole way through last night, and Bruce sounded stronger than last summer at AMT on it. Agreed KDS, if I didn't say it above, that was the best "Disney Girls" I've heard. When Bruce struck that last lone pitch at the end you could've heard a pin drop in the room. It was marvelous.

I think Mike and Bruce should put together a "history" type show like The Eagles did. The first part can be 25 songs from 62-66, finishing with the Pet Sounds hits. Then  after that, a lot of the one-timer greatest hit type fans will be ready to go home! :lol  Then, we get 25 songs from 67-...well, as far as they want!

Just a pipe dream I s'pose!

That would be pretty awesome.  It's a shame that, except for the occasional playing of All I Wanna Do, the Sunflower album is completely ignored. 

Not to be nit picky about a great show, but I'd like to see them select a different Dennis song.  Do You Wanna Dance is a great song, and gets the crowd going, but I'd prefer something like Forever, Little Bird, or Be With Me as a Dennis tribute. 

But, great show.  If I happened to have extra money lying around, I would buy tickets for the Hagerstown show tonight.  Maybe Til I Die cracks the list. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 18, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
You're So Good To Me had the crowd clapping the whole way through last night, and Bruce sounded stronger than last summer at AMT on it. Agreed KDS, if I didn't say it above, that was the best "Disney Girls" I've heard. When Bruce struck that last lone pitch at the end you could've heard a pin drop in the room. It was marvelous.

I think Mike and Bruce should put together a "history" type show like The Eagles did. The first part can be 25 songs from 62-66, finishing with the Pet Sounds hits. Then  after that, a lot of the one-timer greatest hit type fans will be ready to go home! :lol  Then, we get 25 songs from 67-...well, as far as they want!

Just a pipe dream I s'pose!

That would be pretty awesome.  It's a shame that, except for the occasional playing of All I Wanna Do, the Sunflower album is completely ignored. 

Not to be nit picky about a great show, but I'd like to see them select a different Dennis song.  Do You Wanna Dance is a great song, and gets the crowd going, but I'd prefer something like Forever, Little Bird, or Be With Me as a Dennis tribute. 

But, great show.  If I happened to have extra money lying around, I would buy tickets for the Hagerstown show tonight.  Maybe Til I Die cracks the list. 
I'm heading to the show tonight as well, I'll be sure to give a report as soon as I can


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 18, 2016, 10:20:47 AM
You're So Good To Me had the crowd clapping the whole way through last night, and Bruce sounded stronger than last summer at AMT on it. Agreed KDS, if I didn't say it above, that was the best "Disney Girls" I've heard. When Bruce struck that last lone pitch at the end you could've heard a pin drop in the room. It was marvelous.

I think Mike and Bruce should put together a "history" type show like The Eagles did. The first part can be 25 songs from 62-66, finishing with the Pet Sounds hits. Then  after that, a lot of the one-timer greatest hit type fans will be ready to go home! :lol  Then, we get 25 songs from 67-...well, as far as they want!

Just a pipe dream I s'pose!

That would be pretty awesome.  It's a shame that, except for the occasional playing of All I Wanna Do, the Sunflower album is completely ignored. 

Not to be nit picky about a great show, but I'd like to see them select a different Dennis song.  Do You Wanna Dance is a great song, and gets the crowd going, but I'd prefer something like Forever, Little Bird, or Be With Me as a Dennis tribute. 

But, great show.  If I happened to have extra money lying around, I would buy tickets for the Hagerstown show tonight.  Maybe Til I Die cracks the list. 
I'm heading to the show tonight as well, I'll be sure to give a report as soon as I can

Cool.  Enjoy. 

I have to save some coins because Brian's Pet Sounds date in Bethesda goes on sale two weeks from tomorrow.  Or else, I might think about riding up there. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 18, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
You're So Good To Me had the crowd clapping the whole way through last night, and Bruce sounded stronger than last summer at AMT on it. Agreed KDS, if I didn't say it above, that was the best "Disney Girls" I've heard. When Bruce struck that last lone pitch at the end you could've heard a pin drop in the room. It was marvelous.

I think Mike and Bruce should put together a "history" type show like The Eagles did. The first part can be 25 songs from 62-66, finishing with the Pet Sounds hits. Then  after that, a lot of the one-timer greatest hit type fans will be ready to go home! :lol  Then, we get 25 songs from 67-...well, as far as they want!

Just a pipe dream I s'pose!

That would be pretty awesome.  It's a shame that, except for the occasional playing of All I Wanna Do, the Sunflower album is completely ignored. 

Not to be nit picky about a great show, but I'd like to see them select a different Dennis song.  Do You Wanna Dance is a great song, and gets the crowd going, but I'd prefer something like Forever, Little Bird, or Be With Me as a Dennis tribute. 

But, great show.  If I happened to have extra money lying around, I would buy tickets for the Hagerstown show tonight.  Maybe Til I Die cracks the list. 
I'm heading to the show tonight as well, I'll be sure to give a report as soon as I can

Cool.  Enjoy. 

I have to save some coins because Brian's Pet Sounds date in Bethesda goes on sale two weeks from tomorrow.  Or else, I might think about riding up there. 
Yeah I got a friend to go with me a pay for both tickets luckily otherwise I wouldn't go because I feel the Brian tickets might be a little pricy


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 18, 2016, 01:43:32 PM
No way I could do tonight's show too...wish I could. I will be mega-pissed if they do "Till I Die" and "All I Wanna Do" out in the boonies of Hagerstown but not at The Lyric Opera House!!! :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 18, 2016, 01:51:35 PM
No way I could do tonight's show too...wish I could. I will be mega-pissed if they do "Till I Die" and "All I Wanna Do" out in the boonies of Hagerstown but not at The Lyric Opera House!!! :lol

You and me both.  I'm not ultra disappointed to miss out on All I Wanna Do.  But my hopes were up since Til I Die was at some recent shows. 

But hearing that All I Wanna Do was actually on the setlist is kinda disappointing. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Bhw on February 18, 2016, 02:01:50 PM
rubbersoul,

I'm in Hagerstown right now and I'll let you know if they did 'em!!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 18, 2016, 08:13:59 PM
Another great show! No Till I Die or All I Wanna Do. Please Let Me Wonder replaced Wendy, Bruce was great on that as usual, Don't Back Down and All This Is That was also cut.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 18, 2016, 08:47:06 PM
Glad to hear it was another great night! You can't go wrong with these theatre gigs. I'd love to have more insight as to why they add/drop certain songs from night to night. "Don't Back Down" for example, only takes up two minutes and was flawless in Baltimore...why bother dropping it? Since "Wendy" was swapped for "Please Let Me Wonder", it makes me think that maybe Bruce just wanted to sing that one instead since they're both his leads. I also can't help but think "All This is That" may have been dropped due to the response to it last night, or lack thereof.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 19, 2016, 05:11:34 AM
Another great show! No Till I Die or All I Wanna Do. Please Let Me Wonder replaced Wendy, Bruce was great on that as usual, Don't Back Down and All This Is That was also cut.

Were those the only differences or did any other songs sneak in? 

I saw that Sail On Sailor has also been done at recent shows. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 19, 2016, 06:25:59 AM
Another great show! No Till I Die or All I Wanna Do. Please Let Me Wonder replaced Wendy, Bruce was great on that as usual, Don't Back Down and All This Is That was also cut.

Were those the only differences or did any other songs sneak in? 

I saw that Sail On Sailor has also been done at recent shows. 

Nevermind, I just saw on setlist.fm that they did two less songs.  (As you said, no Don't Back Down or All This is That & Please Let Me Wonder replacing Wendy). 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on February 19, 2016, 10:52:33 AM
Please Let Me Wonder replaced Wendy...
That's a good trade in my book!   :)



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 19, 2016, 10:58:22 AM
Please Let Me Wonder replaced Wendy...
That's a good trade in my book!   :)



I do like Please Let Me Wonder, but I was happy to hear Wendy at the Baltimore show on Wednesday night since I saw them do Please Let Me Wonder in Virginia in August. 

I really do like Bruce's take a Please Let Me Wonder. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Bhw on February 19, 2016, 02:39:27 PM
Here is the setlist from last night in Hagerstown.   The band was great, the venue was cool but the crowd was the lamest I've ever witnessed in 30 years of attending concerts!!!!

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/ange2515/72ac45bf6806f4d710b1aff0c9325a50_zps5wgjrxnc.jpg)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 19, 2016, 05:34:00 PM
Thanks for posting! I suspected the crowd would be along the lines of those I've encountered in Lancaster..."city folk" seem to be the way to go for a lively crowd at a beach boys show! :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Bhw on February 19, 2016, 07:14:58 PM
i need to survey everyone and find out where the best audience is..... And go to a show there!!!   Hampton Beach rocks and so does Indian Ranch outside of Boston!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 19, 2016, 07:18:10 PM
Anyone on here go to Virginia Beach tonight? Curious to see if the setlist will continue to shrink, or turn back around! :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 19, 2016, 07:28:21 PM
That's too bad about the lame crowd.  At the gig in Brooklyn last week the band was enthusiastically received, including "'til I Die'" "All This Is That" and so forth. And it didn't appear to me to be the large segment of young hipsters you get at a Brian Wilson show.  A lot of old Brooklyn types, including many Orthodox Jews!

One song performed I don't think has been mentioned was an astounding "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?" which was doubly cool to hear in an old Brooklyn Theater.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 19, 2016, 08:19:00 PM
Yes, they do a great version of Why Do Fools Fall in Love.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Myra on February 19, 2016, 11:32:28 PM
I was glad I met Mike and Bruce after the Beach Boys concert in Brooklyn. I waited for a while in the cold.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 20, 2016, 01:19:30 PM
I was glad I met Mike and Bruce after the Beach Boys concert in Brooklyn. I waited for a while in the cold.

Did they say anything interesting?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on February 21, 2016, 01:26:16 AM
Here is the setlist from last night in Hagerstown.   The band was great, the venue was cool but the crowd was the lamest I've ever witnessed in 30 years of attending concerts!!!!

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/ange2515/72ac45bf6806f4d710b1aff0c9325a50_zps5wgjrxnc.jpg)

Wow, there are 7 songs from Today! (8 if you count R[h]onda, which of course wouldn't really be accurate.)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 21, 2016, 01:24:37 PM
Here is the setlist from last night in Hagerstown.   The band was great, the venue was cool but the crowd was the lamest I've ever witnessed in 30 years of attending concerts!!!!

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/ange2515/72ac45bf6806f4d710b1aff0c9325a50_zps5wgjrxnc.jpg)
I also have to add after seeing it back to back nights, Ike sings one heck of an I Can Hear Music certainly the best by anyone I've ever heard, aside from Carl that is.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 21, 2016, 01:31:07 PM
Here is the setlist from last night in Hagerstown.   The band was great, the venue was cool but the crowd was the lamest I've ever witnessed in 30 years of attending concerts!!!!

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/ange2515/72ac45bf6806f4d710b1aff0c9325a50_zps5wgjrxnc.jpg)

Wow, there are 7 songs from Today! (8 if you count R[h]onda, which of course wouldn't really be accurate.)
They are still doing a lot from Today! but i wish they'd do She Knows Me Too Well, Ike did it with Brian and did a fantastic job sure they could pull it off.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on February 21, 2016, 04:00:34 PM
Still think they are under utilizing Cowsill.  His only lead is Cal Dreamin now? Really too bad to not have him on Rhonda. He did such a great job and Mike's already got 30 other leads.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 21, 2016, 05:27:20 PM
Agreed on "I Can Hear Music"....however, also agree that Cowsill is greatly underused! Bring back Wild Honey!!!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 21, 2016, 05:59:27 PM
Agreed on "I Can Hear Music"....however, also agree that Cowsill is greatly underused! Bring back Wild Honey!!!

I talked to Scott about this and he said Cowsill has been under the weather recently and hasn't been able to sing "Wild Honey" perhaps that's why he's bein doing so few leads recently as well.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 22, 2016, 02:49:39 AM
Agreed on "I Can Hear Music"....however, also agree that Cowsill is greatly underused! Bring back Wild Honey!!!

I talked to Scott about this and he said Cowsill has been under the weather recently and hasn't been able to sing "Wild Honey" perhaps that's why he's bein doing so few leads recently as well.

That's a shame. I hope he's feeling better soon.
I know he's not much of a fan of his own voice, but I think Cowsill is a wonderful singer, and I'm glad he had so many leads in the UK shows last year. I think he should actually take Darlin' back as well -- Foskett does OK on it, but Cowsill does it better.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 22, 2016, 05:56:08 AM
Having been to two M&B shows in the last seven months, I think it's a great show, and welcome the deeper tracks.

But, I'd love to see Mike really shake things up on the setlist and get away from the surf - mid 60s hits - hot rod - pet sounds - moodier / deep - Carl tribute - George tribute - crowd pleasers formula on the setlist. 

Suggestions:

1.  Open with California Girls or I Get Around to shake things up. 

2.  Mix and match some of the mid 60s material with some of the moodier tracks in the second half.  Might create a better balance. 

Any thoughts? 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 22, 2016, 06:32:20 AM
Having been to two M&B shows in the last seven months, I think it's a great show, and welcome the deeper tracks.

But, I'd love to see Mike really shake things up on the setlist and get away from the surf - mid 60s hits - hot rod - pet sounds - moodier / deep - Carl tribute - George tribute - crowd pleasers formula on the setlist. 

Suggestions:

1.  Open with California Girls or I Get Around to shake things up. 

2.  Mix and match some of the mid 60s material with some of the moodier tracks in the second half.  Might create a better balance. 

Any thoughts? 

For your first suggestion, I'm sure they will open with California Girls again in the future. Remember it's only relatively recently that they *stopped* opening with that in the US (they'd been opening with Do It Again in the UK for years).
I actually talked briefly with Scott about your second suggestion after the opening night of last year's UK tour, because I felt that there had been a run of songs which were similarly paced, and while *I* loved all those songs I could feel the audience getting a little restless. The problem is that given the structure of the shows, there's only a finite number of ways you can shuffle things around.

As for your more general point, though, I think that this structure actually works really well. I don't know for sure, but I think it's one of the things that Scott brought in when he became musical director -- if you compare the setlists for the 2004 and 2008 UK tours, the repertoire is largely the same, but the order for 2004 seems to have been chosen by picking titles out of a hat. And while moving Cowsill to drums and having Scott as MD both made massive positive differences to the performance, I think that the thought that's been put into the structure -- having the show almost tell a story -- has also improved the shows immensely.

And while those of us who go to a lot of shows can predict what those songs are going to be, I don't think most audiences are familiar enough with the setlists to have it pall on them. I think they have a good structure, one that can be expanded or contracted to fill the space, and that allows them now to do a surprising amount of rarities for us hardcore fans but still have the audience go home remembering it as being just one big hit they love after another all the way through.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 22, 2016, 07:04:09 AM
Andrew,

Good points.  I guess it's easy to get greedy when you become a concert regular. 

I'm not sure if I'll be seeing Mike and Bruce again this summer as I just dropped some money on Brian Wilson tickets.  But it's a very enjoyable show. 

Thanks for provided some good tidbits about the show.  So much negativity gets thrown at the current touring lineup, so this thread is like a breath of fresh air.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 22, 2016, 12:29:55 PM
I think the current "flow" of the setlist is fantastic considering (as has been mentioned) there seldom was any when you look at years past. It really makes it feel like a complete "package" ya know? However, they could certainly move some of the sections. For example, why not try opening the show with a re-worked "hot rod" medley and move the surfin' songs to the close of the first set?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on February 22, 2016, 12:40:19 PM
They definitely could change some of the sections around but as someone mentioned these are suggestions from people who have seen 4+ shows so we know what to expect. I always liked the California Girls opening however.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 22, 2016, 01:08:21 PM
We in Maryland were pretty lucky last week. 

The most recent setlist in setlist.fm from Charlotte on Saturday night is only 36 songs. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 22, 2016, 01:22:24 PM
I think the current "flow" of the setlist is fantastic considering (as has been mentioned) there seldom was any when you look at years past. It really makes it feel like a complete "package" ya know? However, they could certainly move some of the sections. For example, why not try opening the show with a re-worked "hot rod" medley and move the surfin' songs to the close of the first set?

That would definitely be a good opener, but then you have the problem of Don't Worry Baby, which is a good lead from the mid-60s mellow ballady stuff into the car material. You could swap it with Surfer Girl and get the same effect, but then you lose the advantages you get from having Surfer Girl early in the set -- it allows them to drop the tempo right down after the medley (while Don't Worry Baby is still pretty fast) and show off the harmonies for an extended period early on. And also, if you moved the surf medley *and* Surfer Girl, then you'd be going to a Beach Boys show and not hearing anything at all about surfing or the beach for a good forty minutes, which might confuse the casual fans. Going on and doing five, six, eight (or however many depending on length) songs about surfing all in a row sends the message "this is the Beach Boys, and you're definitely getting a beach party type show".

You could definitely make it work well, but I'm not sure it would work *as* well, and it would require quite a bit of work in juggling stuff around.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 22, 2016, 01:26:22 PM
We in Maryland were pretty lucky last week. 

The most recent setlist in setlist.fm from Charlotte on Saturday night is only 36 songs. 

Yep -- although we're all pretty lucky that we like a band where when they play 36 songs we talk about them "only" doing that many...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 22, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
I think the current "flow" of the setlist is fantastic considering (as has been mentioned) there seldom was any when you look at years past. It really makes it feel like a complete "package" ya know? However, they could certainly move some of the sections. For example, why not try opening the show with a re-worked "hot rod" medley and move the surfin' songs to the close of the first set?

That would definitely be a good opener, but then you have the problem of Don't Worry Baby, which is a good lead from the mid-60s mellow ballady stuff into the car material. You could swap it with Surfer Girl and get the same effect, but then you lose the advantages you get from having Surfer Girl early in the set -- it allows them to drop the tempo right down after the medley (while Don't Worry Baby is still pretty fast) and show off the harmonies for an extended period early on. And also, if you moved the surf medley *and* Surfer Girl, then you'd be going to a Beach Boys show and not hearing anything at all about surfing or the beach for a good forty minutes, which might confuse the casual fans. Going on and doing five, six, eight (or however many depending on length) songs about surfing all in a row sends the message "this is the Beach Boys, and you're definitely getting a beach party type show".

You could definitely make it work well, but I'm not sure it would work *as* well, and it would require quite a bit of work in juggling stuff around.

If you want to open with the car set, you could have Ballad of Old Betsy to drop the tempo, then go into Don't Worry Baby, which could transition to the mid 60s hits (ie.  When I Grow Up). 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 22, 2016, 01:31:26 PM
We in Maryland were pretty lucky last week. 

The most recent setlist in setlist.fm from Charlotte on Saturday night is only 36 songs. 

Yep -- although we're all pretty lucky that we like a band where when they play 36 songs we talk about them "only" doing that many...

They do set the bar pretty high. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on February 22, 2016, 01:52:40 PM
Now, we'd lose the dancers so maybe that's a deal breaker...but what about Barbara Ann as the opener? Get that sucker outta the way EARLY!  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 22, 2016, 08:15:28 PM
Now, we'd lose the dancers so maybe that's a deal breaker...but what about Barbara Ann as the opener? Get that sucker outta the way EARLY!  :lol

Crazy idea.

Open with Fun Fun Fun

Then, cool things down with Kokomo

Then, bring out the dancers for Barbara Ann


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on February 26, 2016, 08:35:08 PM
Just got back from the Melbourne FL show.   Was my 1st Mike and Bruce show.

A few highlights...

STAMOS - definitely a plus , took lead vocals on Forever. Alternated between drums and guitar on the majority of songs.

Mike has a cool sense of humor and the banter between him and Stamos was good.  Hats off to Mike Love for doing this as long as he has and at the age that he is. Bruce sounded great on Disney Girls.

2nd half of the show was definitely better than 1st half.  Really  heavy on the nostalgia in the beginning. Admittedly I am not as much a fan of the surf/hot rod songs.

Brought my  daughter to the show, unfortunately couldn't hang for the full concert, but she did good for a 7 year old.  Attention span gave out and was up at 6:40 AM so was falling asleep some, thank God for Stamos as she's been on a Fuller House kick today.   I split during Surfin USA,  kid was done,  I assume I missed Kokomo and Fun Fun Fun.

Definitely a different experience compared to seeing Brian.  More drunk people, but that could be venue related. Someone that had one too many cocktails before the show kept shouting for Stamos to leave the stage.  

 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Senator Blutarsky on February 26, 2016, 08:53:29 PM
Just got back from the Melbourne FL show.   Was my 1st Mike and Bruce show.

A few highlights...

STAMOS - definitely a plus , took lead vocals on Forever. Alternated between drums and guitar on the majority of songs.

Mike has a cool sense of humor and the banter between him and Stamos was good.  Hats off to Mike Love for doing this as long as he has and at the age that he is. Bruce sounded great on Disney Girls.

2nd half of the show was definitely better than 1st half.  Really  heavy on the nostalgia in the beginning. Admittedly I am not as much a fan of the surf/hot rod songs.

An a capella 'Their hearts were full of spring' was great.

Brought my  daughter to the show, unfortunately couldn't hang for the full concert, but she did good for a 7 year old.  Attention span gave out and was up at 6:40 AM so was falling asleep some, thank God for Stamos as she's been on a Fuller House kick today.   I split during Surfin USA,  kid was done,  I assume I missed Kokomo and Fun Fun Fun.

Definitely a different experience compared to seeing Brian.  More drunk people, but that could be venue related. Someone that had one too many cocktails before the show kept shouting for Stamos to leave the stage.  

 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mojoman3061 on February 27, 2016, 10:50:42 AM
Anyone going to Baton Rouge next week?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on February 27, 2016, 11:24:52 AM
You could get rid of the car and surf medleys they've been doing since 1981 and break those songs up a bit. I Get Around can easily be out of that medley and put somewhere else.  They've dropped Shut Down from time to time too, so that might free up some things.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on February 28, 2016, 01:28:35 AM
You could get rid of the car and surf medleys they've been doing since 1981 and break those songs up a bit. I Get Around can easily be out of that medley and put somewhere else.  They've dropped Shut Down from time to time too, so that might free up some things.

The surf medley hasn't been around in over a decade.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on February 28, 2016, 08:42:05 AM
You are correct, the old surf medley hasn't been , I should have made that clearer but there has been some "surf" medley in the setlist. I was thinking about the one Mike does now with stuff like Safari, Catch, Hawaii DBD, It's Ok


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 28, 2016, 11:15:46 AM
Just curious.

Does anyone know why Foskett doesn't join Mike, Bruce, Scott, and Ike on Their Hearts Were Full of Spring?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 28, 2016, 11:30:29 AM
Just curious.

Does anyone know why Foskett doesn't join Mike, Bruce, Scott, and Ike on Their Hearts Were Full of Spring?

Because it's a song with only four harmony parts. Foskett sang on it for the year or so he was in the band before Eichenberger joined, but it makes sense for Eichenberger to sing the part given his Four Freshmen background.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on February 28, 2016, 11:49:02 AM
Just curious.

Does anyone know why Foskett doesn't join Mike, Bruce, Scott, and Ike on Their Hearts Were Full of Spring?

Because it's a song with only four harmony parts. Foskett sang on it for the year or so he was in the band before Eichenberger joined, but it makes sense for Eichenberger to sing the part given his Four Freshmen background.

Gotcha

Thanks


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 03, 2016, 04:07:56 PM
Just noticed this. A live stream due to start soon from Baton Rouge for anyone interested.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afMRGSoZlNQ





Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on March 03, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
July 18th they'll be back at the American Music Theatre in Lancaster...I will not.  :lol

However assuming they stay nearby for VA on the 29th...that leaves a LOT of time for shows in the MD/PA/NJ/VA area in the better half of July.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: marcella27 on March 04, 2016, 08:05:51 AM
Someone that had one too many cocktails before the show kept shouting for Stamos to leave the stage.  

 


:)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mojoman3061 on March 05, 2016, 10:39:42 AM
Here is the setlist from last night in Hagerstown.   The band was great, the venue was cool but the crowd was the lamest I've ever witnessed in 30 years of attending concerts!!!!

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o138/ange2515/72ac45bf6806f4d710b1aff0c9325a50_zps5wgjrxnc.jpg)
This is almost exactly the same as in Baton Rouge (I took notes, as I did for Brian's December 4 show in Biloxi).  Insert "Don't Back Down" between "Catch a Wave" and "Little Honda."  After "In My Room," it went "You're So Good to Me," "Then I Kissed Her," "Dance, Dance, Dance," and back to the Hagerstown setlist from "So Young."

After intermission, "Wouldn't It Be Nice" was followed by "California Girls."  "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" was followed by "Disney Girls (1957)" and then "I Can Hear Music," "The Warmth of the Sun," and "God Only Knows."  After "Help Me, Rhonda" was "Rock and Roll Music," "Barbara Ann," and "Surfin' U.S.A."  The encore was "Kokomo" and "Fun, Fun, Fun."

The show started with "Runaround Sue" on the PA and 1950s images on the video screen.  An aircheck of Wink Martindale on Color 98 playing "Surfin'" segued into the live band continuing the song.  I was in the second row in the balcony, far enough away that I couldn't tell who was singing lead on some songs.

Mike introduced "Be True to Your School" by saying, "In this political climate, this song could not be more appropriate ... cheerleading uniforms."  On the screen were cheerleaders from USC and then LSU, which got a big roar.  At the end of "California Girls," they changed the lyric to "Louisiana girls," again showing an LSU cheerleader. 

Mike proceeded to say they were doing the next song "a cappella, which in Cajun means 'naked'."  He talked about the Four Freshmen and how Brian Eichelberger was a member of the Four Freshmen for 18 years before joining the Beach Boys.  They did "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring" with just the four singers on stage (Bruce, Scott Totten, Brian, Mike).  Mike also gave a long introductory talk about George Harrison and Rishikesh before "Pisces Brothers," a song I didn't know.

Mike puts on a good, energetic show.  I enjoyed it and so did the rest of the crowd (nearly a sellout).


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on March 05, 2016, 11:07:43 AM
Same exact shtick as Baltimore...and Lancaster the past two years! :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on March 05, 2016, 07:38:16 PM
Same exact shtick as Baltimore...and Lancaster the past two years! :lol

The "A capella means naked" line goes back to "Live in London"!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on March 05, 2016, 08:42:35 PM
Same exact shtick as Baltimore...and Lancaster the past two years! :lol

The "A capella means naked" line goes back to "Live in London"!

Indeed it does!  ;D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 06, 2016, 01:21:01 AM
Same exact shtick as Baltimore...and Lancaster the past two years! :lol

Mike sticks with what works when it comes to his between-song patter. There are huge chunks where he hasn't varied even the timing in years or sometimes decades -- I can talk along with it just as easily as I can sing along with the songs.
In some ways it's a shame, because when he's had to vary it he can come across as a lot less slick -- for example on the 2008 UK tour, when they had a mini TM set in the middle, and he talked about how much those songs meant to him, it seemed for a few minutes like we weren't seeing an act, but the real Mike. But on the other hand, all the "now it's time to have an intermission... followed by a nap. That's what you get for coming to see a used rock group" kind of stuff always does go down well with audiences.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on March 10, 2016, 05:22:56 AM
I see the Cool Head, Warm Heart snuck into the setlist on March 6th. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on March 11, 2016, 12:59:27 PM
I see the Cool Head, Warm Heart snuck into the setlist on March 6th. 

yay......not.  :angel:


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on March 11, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
I see the Cool Head, Warm Heart snuck into the setlist on March 6th. 

yay......not.  :angel:

I hear that. 

If Mike really wants to do a solo song, how about Daybreak Over the Ocean.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on March 11, 2016, 09:11:27 PM
I've been to numerous M and B concert and I really enjoy them, but nothing stops the momentum dead more than that song or Pisces Brothers. Got both of them in 1 concert this summer....


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on March 11, 2016, 09:19:27 PM
I've been to numerous M and B concert and I really enjoy them, but nothing stops the momentum dead more than that song or Pisces Brothers. Got both of them in 1 concert this summer....

Ugh, yeah Pisces Brothers.  If it weren't for Scott's guitar solo, that song would be completely worthless.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on March 12, 2016, 01:24:36 AM
I actually like hearing Cool Head Warm Heart, but I do sense the audience getting restless when they play it. I am pretty neutral on Pisces Brothers, but I'm thinking that this shouldn't be a permanent staple. Audiences seem to appreciate it, but its appeal may wear thin if played year after yearwith the same video tribute.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2016, 09:08:44 AM
Same exact shtick as Baltimore...and Lancaster the past two years! :lol

Mike sticks with what works when it comes to his between-song patter. There are huge chunks where he hasn't varied even the timing in years or sometimes decades -- I can talk along with it just as easily as I can sing along with the songs.
In some ways it's a shame, because when he's had to vary it he can come across as a lot less slick -- for example on the 2008 UK tour, when they had a mini TM set in the middle, and he talked about how much those songs meant to him, it seemed for a few minutes like we weren't seeing an act, but the real Mike. But on the other hand, all the "now it's time to have an intermission... followed by a nap. That's what you get for coming to see a used rock group" kind of stuff always does go down well with audiences.

And always bear in mind that while we obsessive fans are word perfect on Mike's stage patter - and Brian's too, for that matter - it's new to Joe Q. Public.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 12, 2016, 10:53:38 AM
Same exact shtick as Baltimore...and Lancaster the past two years! :lol

Mike sticks with what works when it comes to his between-song patter. There are huge chunks where he hasn't varied even the timing in years or sometimes decades -- I can talk along with it just as easily as I can sing along with the songs.
In some ways it's a shame, because when he's had to vary it he can come across as a lot less slick -- for example on the 2008 UK tour, when they had a mini TM set in the middle, and he talked about how much those songs meant to him, it seemed for a few minutes like we weren't seeing an act, but the real Mike. But on the other hand, all the "now it's time to have an intermission... followed by a nap. That's what you get for coming to see a used rock group" kind of stuff always does go down well with audiences.

And always bear in mind that while we obsessive fans are word perfect on Mike's stage patter - and Brian's too, for that matter - it's new to Joe Q. Public.

Quite. A lot of the complaints people have about Mike's show (though by no means all of them, of course) seem to boil down to "he's not doing this for me, why isn't he doing this for meeeee?"
Anyone on this board's idea of "the perfect Beach Boys show" would depart enormously from what 99.9% of the audience want -- the fact that so often both bands manage to get very close to pleasing both us *and* the people who just want to hear Barbara Ann and Surfin' USA is a minor miracle.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: barsone on March 12, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
great post Andrew


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on March 16, 2016, 07:45:46 AM
Mike and Bruce are coming to Cincinnati.  If anyone knows the presale code it would be greatly appreciated.  :)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on March 24, 2016, 06:23:20 AM
It looks like Mike and Bruce are starting to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds.

Per setlist.fm from March 19th in Hong Kong:

Surfin'
Catch a Wave
Do It Again
Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl
Kiss Me, Baby
Then He Kissed Me
Why Do Fools Fall in Love
When I Grow Up (to Be a Man)
Cotton Fields
You Still Believe in Me
Here Today
Heroes and Villains
Be True to Your School
Ballad of Ole' Betsy
Don't Worry Baby
Little Deuce Coupe
I Get Around
In My Room
((HK Philarmonic))
California Dreamin'
Sloop John B
Wouldn't It Be Nice
California Girls
Their Hearts Were Full of Spring
Disney Girls
The Warmth of the Sun
Caroline, No
God Only Knows
Pisces Brothers
Good Vibrations
Darlin'
Help Me, Rhonda
Do You Wanna Dance?
Barbara Ann
Surfin' U.S.A.
Encore:
Kokomo
Fun, Fun, Fun

Six cuts from Pet Sounds as opposed to the usual three. 

Anyone know who is doing leads on You Still Believe in Me or Caroline No? 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RiC on March 24, 2016, 07:10:41 AM
Propably Brian (if he's still touring with them, I mean the Eichenberger one). At least last year he was the one who sang You Still Believe In Me and it sounded fantastic.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on March 24, 2016, 07:19:40 AM
Propably Brian (if he's still touring with them, I mean the Eichenberger one). At least last year he was the one who sang You Still Believe In Me and it sounded fantastic.

Makes sense.  I was thinking Ike too. 

I also noticed that the Pet Sounds songs are split up.   Oddly YSBIM and Here Today are in the first set, which is usually reserved for the surf/car songs and the more upbeat pre-PS material. 

Maybe they didn't want too many ballads in the second half of the show. 

Interesting note, setlist.fm listed Caroline No as a cover of a Brian Wilson song (granted it was released as a BW single and features no other Beach Boys, but its still on the BB album). 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Fall Breaks on March 24, 2016, 09:53:06 AM
Cool! When was the last time the Beach Boys played Caroline No?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on March 24, 2016, 09:39:55 PM
It looks like Mike and Bruce are starting to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds.

Per setlist.fm from March 19th in Hong Kong:

Surfin'
Catch a Wave
Do It Again
Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl
Kiss Me, Baby
Then He Kissed Me
Why Do Fools Fall in Love
When I Grow Up (to Be a Man)
Cotton Fields
You Still Believe in Me
Here Today
Heroes and Villains
Be True to Your School
Ballad of Ole' Betsy
Don't Worry Baby
Little Deuce Coupe
I Get Around
In My Room
((HK Philarmonic))
California Dreamin'
Sloop John B
Wouldn't It Be Nice
California Girls
Their Hearts Were Full of Spring
Disney Girls
The Warmth of the Sun
Caroline, No
God Only Knows
Pisces Brothers
Good Vibrations
Darlin'
Help Me, Rhonda
Do You Wanna Dance?
Barbara Ann
Surfin' U.S.A.
Encore:
Kokomo
Fun, Fun, Fun

Six cuts from Pet Sounds as opposed to the usual three. 

Anyone know who is doing leads on You Still Believe in Me or Caroline No? 

Good setlist!  They are playing in Japan tomorrow, and I was thinking about going, but had already bought tix for Brian/Al/Blondie, and the Mike/Bruce tix are really expensive. This makes me wish that I could afford both!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on March 24, 2016, 10:55:17 PM
I'll be very curious to see how (or if) these additions stick around. I would be surprised to see them come out without a symphonic arrangement behind them...and looking at Mike and Bruce's standard summer lineup, I certainly wouldn't expect any of these in the summer months.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on March 25, 2016, 05:17:33 AM
I'll be very curious to see how (or if) these additions stick around. I would be surprised to see them come out without a symphonic arrangement behind them...and looking at Mike and Bruce's standard summer lineup, I certainly wouldn't expect any of these in the summer months.

Mike has hinted that they're going to be doing some Pet Sounds stuff.  I would guess that at least YSBIM and Here Today make a lot of setlists this year. 

I'm almost more shocked to see Heroes and Villains. 



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on March 25, 2016, 06:55:17 AM
I'll be very curious to see how (or if) these additions stick around. I would be surprised to see them come out without a symphonic arrangement behind them...and looking at Mike and Bruce's standard summer lineup, I certainly wouldn't expect any of these in the summer months.

Mike has hinted that they're going to be doing some Pet Sounds stuff.  I would guess that at least YSBIM and Here Today make a lot of setlists this year. 

I'm almost more shocked to see Heroes and Villains. 



I was thinking the same about H&V!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on March 26, 2016, 08:57:44 PM
It looks like Mike and Bruce are starting to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Pet Sounds.

Per setlist.fm from March 19th in Hong Kong:

Surfin'
Catch a Wave
Do It Again
Surfin' Safari
Surfer Girl
Kiss Me, Baby
Then He Kissed Me
Why Do Fools Fall in Love
When I Grow Up (to Be a Man)
Cotton Fields
You Still Believe in Me
Here Today
Heroes and Villains
Be True to Your School
Ballad of Ole' Betsy
Don't Worry Baby
Little Deuce Coupe
I Get Around
In My Room
((HK Philarmonic))
California Dreamin'
Sloop John B
Wouldn't It Be Nice
California Girls
Their Hearts Were Full of Spring
Disney Girls
The Warmth of the Sun
Caroline, No
God Only Knows
Pisces Brothers
Good Vibrations
Darlin'
Help Me, Rhonda
Do You Wanna Dance?
Barbara Ann
Surfin' U.S.A.
Encore:
Kokomo
Fun, Fun, Fun

Six cuts from Pet Sounds as opposed to the usual three. 

Anyone know who is doing leads on You Still Believe in Me or Caroline No? 

Good setlist!  They are playing in Japan tomorrow, and I was thinking about going, but had already bought tix for Brian/Al/Blondie, and the Mike/Bruce tix are really expensive. This makes me wish that I could afford both!

Looks like the Japan setlist have been much shorter, with only the standard 3 PS songs, and no Warmth of the Sun, Disney Girls, etc.  So I'm glad I didn't kick down.  I've noticed that Brian's setlists in Japan are normal, but the BB's are shorter than usual--hope Brian holds true next month!  Though we do know, at least, that we'll get all of PS.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 26, 2016, 09:07:05 PM
the hard part about that above setlist, is that half a dozen of those should be in Brian's tour, and some of Brian's songs should be in
their tour.  damn. what a cluster#uck.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 11, 2016, 03:11:19 PM
This one seemed to slip under the radar...but Mike & Bruce are doing a symphonic show with the National Symphony Orchestra at The Kennedy Center on July 19th. Found it by accident last night and got myself a pair of second row seats! Still a lot of different seats left!

I'm really looking forward to it...such a luxurious venue and a full orchestra will hopefully ensure some incredible deep cuts for the night!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on April 11, 2016, 03:32:11 PM
This one seemed to slip under the radar...but Mike & Bruce are doing a symphonic show with the National Symphony Orchestra at The Kennedy Center on July 19th. Found it by accident last night and got myself a pair of second row seats! Still a lot of different seats left!

I'm really looking forward to it...such a luxurious venue and a full orchestra will hopefully ensure some incredible deep cuts for the night!

Maybe they'll do a few more Pet Sounds tracks.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on April 12, 2016, 01:29:54 AM
This one seemed to slip under the radar...but Mike & Bruce are doing a symphonic show with the National Symphony Orchestra at The Kennedy Center on July 19th. Found it by accident last night and got myself a pair of second row seats! Still a lot of different seats left!

I'm really looking forward to it...such a luxurious venue and a full orchestra will hopefully ensure some incredible deep cuts for the night!

Maybe they'll do a few more Pet Sounds tracks.

That sounds pretty promising--wish they would do that here in Japan!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on April 12, 2016, 05:23:32 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 12, 2016, 06:31:45 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 12, 2016, 06:33:13 AM
After checking their itinerary, the Temptations are playing their own show at The Paramount Theatre in Charlottesville, VA that night.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on April 12, 2016, 07:19:31 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 12, 2016, 08:06:19 PM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on April 13, 2016, 05:23:55 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 13, 2016, 05:41:17 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.


That last bit I know with great certainty! Paul McCartney 2009!  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on April 13, 2016, 06:23:54 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.


That last bit I know with great certainty! Paul McCartney 2009!  :lol

I was at that McCartney show in 2009.  Was stuck in traffic for four hours trying to get to the show.  Luckily, Paul went on late, so we only missed the first couple songs. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 13, 2016, 06:47:24 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.


That last bit I know with great certainty! Paul McCartney 2009!  :lol

I was at that McCartney show in 2009.  Was stuck in traffic for four hours trying to get to the show.  Luckily, Paul went on late, so we only missed the first couple songs. 

We dodged all that going down to the next exit and working back up!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on April 13, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.

If the reunited GNR manage to play as many shows as the BB's did in 2012, I'll be amazed!   :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on April 14, 2016, 05:22:24 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.

If the reunited GNR manage to play as many shows as the BB's did in 2012, I'll be amazed!   :lol

I doubt they will, but you never know.  Money talks.  The members of Motley Crue hated each other, but they managed to tour consistently for a decade. 

I do think that the GNR thing will have a very similar ending to the Beach Boys C50.  Whenever the obligations of the current "Not in This Lifetime Tour" ends, Axl will find a new guitarist.  Slash will go back to being a solo artist.  Duff will go back to his various projects.  And GNR will go on as Axl and Co. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 29, 2016, 04:51:56 PM
New addition this year playing Sax.

http://www.randyleagowinds.com/

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/entertainment/music/backbeat/2016/04/29/beach-boys-still-fun-fun-fun-rain/83708220/


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on April 29, 2016, 06:05:32 PM
New addition this year playing Sax.

http://www.randyleagowinds.com/

http://www.thespectrum.com/story/entertainment/music/backbeat/2016/04/29/beach-boys-still-fun-fun-fun-rain/83708220/

Wow, I would say that is pretty big news. When is the last time the touring acting (aside from C50) carried a sax player? I always thought this was a glaring hole in the bands lineup.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on April 29, 2016, 08:16:59 PM
Actually, it hasn't been too uncommon for the touring band to bring along a wind player for sporadic dates. The reviewer didn't seem to be very clear on their band member history, so I'm going to assume this isn't a permanent fixture for the band.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on April 30, 2016, 06:13:21 AM
Actually, it hasn't been too uncommon for the touring band to bring along a wind player for sporadic dates. The reviewer didn't seem to be very clear on their band member history, so I'm going to assume this isn't a permanent fixture for the band.

That is true.  They have had a horn/sax/woodwind player during certain tour runs for the last several years, and had a different guy for a February run in the NY/NJ area. It isn't entirely new.   


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 30, 2016, 06:18:41 AM
Let's see how long he lasts until he cuts into Mike's bottom line. >:D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on April 30, 2016, 07:30:52 AM
Let's see how long he lasts until he cuts into Mike's bottom line. >:D

The guy looks as though he has a pretty steady and impressive clientele he works for, and may not be exclusive to the Touring Band. His website in the link shows photos of some of them.  ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Bhw on April 30, 2016, 04:51:36 PM
Andrew Clark has been the sax player the last two summers in some of  Northeast portions of the tours


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on April 30, 2016, 06:36:41 PM
Thanks for the info! When is the last time they had sax as a permanent fixture in the touring band? Richie Cannata?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 01, 2016, 09:16:50 AM
Thanks for the info! When is the last time they had sax as a permanent fixture in the touring band? Richie Cannata?

Going by memory, Richie's last show was the infamous Mahwah NJ show in 1998. This was the first show after Mike got the license for the Beach Boys name.

Joel Peskin appeared on and off over the years after that. (Going by memory). I get the impression that Randy is going to be a regular band member. Mike mentioned him on his Facebook page, saying it was his first show, and that there was a lot of positive feedback.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 02, 2016, 07:39:25 AM
I recall that Joel Peskin traveled with the touring band at least a little bit on and off in the first few post-1998 years. I believe he was with the band during one of their "Today" show appearances circa 2000 or 2001.

It struck me as weird back then, and I always suspected Mike just really wanted that "Kokomo" sax solo, because few of the songs, especially in the setlists Mike was doing in the 1998-2001 timeframe, required sax. That and "California Dreamin'" were the two of very few full-on extended "sax solo" pieces as I recall, and I guess "Shut Down" if we want to include that one.

As awesome as Richie Cannata is/was, I've never felt the touring band needed a full-time sax player. What ends up happening is you sometimes get "rhythm sax" on songs that don't need it and sound worse for it. It's like once a band foots the bill for a sax player, they feel like they have to use the player and not just have them stand there doing nothing for 75% of the show.

Al used Richie Cannata on a few other things in "Family & Friends", like a pretty impressive solo during "Lookin' at Tomorrow."

But I've never liked extra "rhythm sax"; it's one of the few things I haven't liked about Paul Mertens in Brian's band. Fortunately, Mertens works in some other woodwind stuff, so he's still a key player. But I've never liked the "bass sax" on something like "This Whole World."


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: beatle608 on May 02, 2016, 08:21:10 AM
So.... did they do Summer In Paradise last night? I noticed "PARADISE" was in the setlist that Mike posted.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on May 02, 2016, 08:53:19 AM
Looks like they changed the set around a bit. Surfin' U.S.A. is in the opening songs now, Little Honda is with the car songs too. Mike also said in his post they'd be adding more Pet Sounds songs soon too.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 02, 2016, 09:08:27 AM
I see that Surf City is back too.  And Goin to the Beach was dropped. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 02, 2016, 09:14:32 AM
So.... did they do Summer In Paradise last night? I noticed "PARADISE" was in the setlist that Mike posted.

I'm pretty sure it would be "Summer in Paradise." The "California Dreamin'/Summer in Paradise" pairing has been used going back to the 90s, with one song leading right into the other.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 02, 2016, 09:16:14 AM
So.... did they do Summer In Paradise last night? I noticed "PARADISE" was in the setlist that Mike posted.

I'm pretty sure it would be "Summer in Paradise." The "California Dreamin'/Summer in Paradise" pairing has been used going back to the 90s, with one song leading right into the other.

I guess it makes sense since they both featured Roger McGuinn (the UK SIP anyway). 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 02, 2016, 09:18:24 AM
Also noticed the infamous "Noven Jaisi" got namechecked on Mike's FB page as having created an intro video for Mike's show. So those who were incredulous as to whether the guy was "official" or not, there's your answer.

I'm finding Mike's most recent posts, and posts like it, kind of odd. I *think* he's just trying to be very enthusiastic and effusive about whatever he does. But for a guy that has been touring for 55 years, playing every type of venue imaginable, he seems oddly stunned and fascinated by the idea of playing a "performing arts" sort of venue in Nevada.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: jeffh on May 02, 2016, 11:49:55 AM
I hear they're doing double billed shows with The Temptations in the States this summer. 

Unfortunately, this likely means shorter greatest hits only sets. 

FOUR hours stuck in traffic ? Wow, how far from the venue were you ?
The Kennedy Center is just the Beach Boys with the NSO.

I might consider that show if I were in town that week.  I saw it posted in the BW Forum. 

But, I also put out some money for the Guns N Roses C29 tour at Fed Ex Field. 

Yikes...trying your luck with them, eh?

Much like 2012 when I knew I had my only shot to see Mike and Brian on the same stage, I know this is my only chance to see Axl and Slash on the same stage. 

Granted, I'm in the nosebleeds (no way was I going to pay $250 for 3/5 of GNR), but I'll be there.  And I took the next day off from work in case Axl decides to not start on time. 

Plus, it takes about a day and a half to get out of the Fed Ex Field parking lot.


That last bit I know with great certainty! Paul McCartney 2009!  :lol

I was at that McCartney show in 2009.  Was stuck in traffic for four hours trying to get to the show.  Luckily, Paul went on late, so we only missed the first couple songs. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 02, 2016, 12:36:49 PM
Mike also said in his post they'd be adding more Pet Sounds songs soon too.

From Randy's page..


IN 2016, SEE RANDY ON TOUR WITH ROCK MUSIC LEGENDS THE BEACH BOYS,
PERFORMING ON A VARIETY OF SAXES, WOODWINDS AND HARMONICAS!

...which does fit


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 02, 2016, 01:12:29 PM
Mike also said in his post they'd be adding more Pet Sounds songs soon too.

From Randy's page..


IN 2016, SEE RANDY ON TOUR WITH ROCK MUSIC LEGENDS THE BEACH BOYS,
PERFORMING ON A VARIETY OF SAXES, WOODWINDS AND HARMONICAS!

...which does fit


Well there you have it! I wonder how much of a difference this will make when I see them in July since they'll have the entire National Symphony Orchestra with them anyway!  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Lean Back Now Listen on May 03, 2016, 10:58:36 AM
I just purchased five lawn seats for their August 21st performance in Detroit for ***$6 apiece*** (although with fees upon fees, they came out to $17 apiece). I'll be loading up my car (sadly not a woodie) with friends and taking an hour and a half road trip to see them! If anyone else is in the Michigan area and happens to be bummed that the Meijer Gardens venue is sold out, $6 tickets on Ticketmaster are the ultimate steal! I would assume other ticket sites have quality deals as well, so I'm not trying to promote Ticketmaster; they just happened to be the site I purchased from.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 03, 2016, 11:14:16 AM
I just purchased five lawn seats for their August 21st performance in Detroit for ***$6 apiece*** (although with fees upon fees, they came out to $17 apiece). I'll be loading up my car (sadly not a woodie) with friends and taking an hour and a half road trip to see them! If anyone else is in the Michigan area and happens to be bummed that the Meijer Gardens venue is sold out, $6 tickets on Ticketmaster are the ultimate steal! I would assume other ticket sites have quality deals as well, so I'm not trying to promote Ticketmaster; they just happened to be the site I purchased from.

Wow, that's super cheap.  Enjoy the show. 

Is this just The Beach Boys, or is this part of their tour with The Temptations?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 04, 2016, 09:19:08 AM
Also noticed the infamous "Noven Jaisi" got namechecked on Mike's FB page as having created an intro video for Mike's show. So those who were incredulous as to whether the guy was "official" or not, there's your answer.

I'm finding Mike's most recent posts, and posts like it, kind of odd. I *think* he's just trying to be very enthusiastic and effusive about whatever he does. But for a guy that has been touring for 55 years, playing every type of venue imaginable, he seems oddly stunned and fascinated by the idea of playing a "performing arts" sort of venue in Nevada.

H'mm. That's interesting. And yet AGD wrote this:


“My understanding is that Mike commissioned this from Mr. Jaisi, knowing full well that a wrath of Biblical dimension would instantly descend from the heavens (or this forum - which is much the same thing, of course: are we not Olympian deities, omniscient and omnipotent ?), allowing him to delete the post from his page, thus disassociating himself from it while simultaneously engaging in a complex double bluff and getting his message out there, knowing that all rational fans will realise that, as well executed as the video is, it's not officially sanctioned. Except that it is, of course.

“That's what I would say, were I an extremely gullible conspiracy theorist with a handy Thesaurus. Thankfully, I'm not. It's a very well executed fan video that subtly implies it's official product when it isn't. I'm guessing it was deleted from Mike's page for that very reason, and because it's Copyright Infringement Central as regards the various clips. For those pointing out, reasonably enough, that the BW one is still up, that's clearly labelled as a parody.”

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,22972.50.html



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on May 04, 2016, 09:47:21 AM
When Mike feels competition or pressure from Brian, he always goes all out to do something extra for his shows.  His recent posts show him pushing hard. The fans benefit the most from it!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 04, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
Also noticed the infamous "Noven Jaisi" got namechecked on Mike's FB page as having created an intro video for Mike's show. So those who were incredulous as to whether the guy was "official" or not, there's your answer.

I'm finding Mike's most recent posts, and posts like it, kind of odd. I *think* he's just trying to be very enthusiastic and effusive about whatever he does. But for a guy that has been touring for 55 years, playing every type of venue imaginable, he seems oddly stunned and fascinated by the idea of playing a "performing arts" sort of venue in Nevada.

H'mm. That's interesting. And yet AGD wrote this:


“My understanding is that Mike commissioned this from Mr. Jaisi, knowing full well that a wrath of Biblical dimension would instantly descend from the heavens (or this forum - which is much the same thing, of course: are we not Olympian deities, omniscient and omnipotent ?), allowing him to delete the post from his page, thus disassociating himself from it while simultaneously engaging in a complex double bluff and getting his message out there, knowing that all rational fans will realise that, as well executed as the video is, it's not officially sanctioned. Except that it is, of course.

“That's what I would say, were I an extremely gullible conspiracy theorist with a handy Thesaurus. Thankfully, I'm not. It's a very well executed fan video that subtly implies it's official product when it isn't. I'm guessing it was deleted from Mike's page for that very reason, and because it's Copyright Infringement Central as regards the various clips. For those pointing out, reasonably enough, that the BW one is still up, that's clearly labelled as a parody.”

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,22972.50.html

And if you look at Noven Jaisi's upload history on youtube, it very much seems to point to all of this being official: The Christmas single music video, documentary 'trailers' (and Mike has talked about an upcoming documentary), and now a concert intro video. Those who said the trailer looked official last year were lambasted to hell for it....extremely gullible conspiracy theorists with a handy Thesaurus? Sad that some get childishly labeled for pointing out what seems to be the bleedin' obvious.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Debbie KL on May 04, 2016, 12:06:32 PM
Also noticed the infamous "Noven Jaisi" got namechecked on Mike's FB page as having created an intro video for Mike's show. So those who were incredulous as to whether the guy was "official" or not, there's your answer.

I'm finding Mike's most recent posts, and posts like it, kind of odd. I *think* he's just trying to be very enthusiastic and effusive about whatever he does. But for a guy that has been touring for 55 years, playing every type of venue imaginable, he seems oddly stunned and fascinated by the idea of playing a "performing arts" sort of venue in Nevada.

H'mm. That's interesting. And yet AGD wrote this:


“My understanding is that Mike commissioned this from Mr. Jaisi, knowing full well that a wrath of Biblical dimension would instantly descend from the heavens (or this forum - which is much the same thing, of course: are we not Olympian deities, omniscient and omnipotent ?), allowing him to delete the post from his page, thus disassociating himself from it while simultaneously engaging in a complex double bluff and getting his message out there, knowing that all rational fans will realise that, as well executed as the video is, it's not officially sanctioned. Except that it is, of course.

“That's what I would say, were I an extremely gullible conspiracy theorist with a handy Thesaurus. Thankfully, I'm not. It's a very well executed fan video that subtly implies it's official product when it isn't. I'm guessing it was deleted from Mike's page for that very reason, and because it's Copyright Infringement Central as regards the various clips. For those pointing out, reasonably enough, that the BW one is still up, that's clearly labelled as a parody.”

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,22972.50.html

And if you look at Noven Jaisi's upload history on youtube, it very much seems to point to all of this being official: The Christmas single music video, documentary 'trailers' (and Mike has talked about an upcoming documentary), and now a concert intro video. Those who said the trailer looked official last year were lambasted to hell for it....extremely gullible conspiracy theorists with a handy Thesaurus? Sad that some get childishly labeled for pointing out what seems to be the bleedin' obvious.

I just re-read that thread from page 1 through to the end.  It does beg the question, "who was gullible in this instance - the people being ridiculed, or the gang providing the ridicule?"


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 04, 2016, 12:19:43 PM
I was right after all of that ridicule !!!! ;D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 04, 2016, 01:02:03 PM
I noticed California Girls seems to have moved up a bit in the setlist.  Right next to Disney Girls.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 04, 2016, 03:16:49 PM
Do we know the video discussed in 2015 is the same video discussed in 2016?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Debbie KL on May 04, 2016, 04:07:09 PM
Do we know the video discussed in 2015 is the same video discussed in 2016?

The other videos Jaisi produced for Mike were professional videos, but that particular one was a "fan" video, with all of that amazing insider footage of C50.  Uh-huh.  You never disappoint.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 04, 2016, 04:12:30 PM
I doubt anybody knows if it's the same video, but I don't think that's the point anyone is making here. They've apparently just started using the video at shows, and for whatever reason relatively few people attend Mike/Bruce shows and post reviews here (I appreciate those who do), so it's hard to know.

In response to those however many months back who simply wondered what the deal was with Jaisi, there were a few folks who completely dismissed the entire thing as being a random fan and who scoffed at the idea that there was any "official" connection. Indeed, Ang Jones posted a couple of old comments that seemed to mock those who felt it was possible Jaisi had some sort of official or semi-official connection.

Obviously, it's entirely possible Jaisi was completely unknown to Mike at that point and only subsequently was contracted to make (or offered for free, or whatever their arrangement is) this tour intro video. I would tend to doubt that; I'd guess it's been an ongoing thing going back to when those videos popped up on YouTube. And again, it doesn't really matter anymore.

My best guess is the guy was a fan making whatever videos, and either sent his stuff to Mike, or Mike somehow learned of it, and subsequently Jaisi got a gig to do some stuff (for all we know for free) for Mike. Not a big deal. I don't think anybody really is beefing with anything to do with Mike, but rather the incredulity in the past from a few fans regarding even the *possibility* that Jaisi could have any official connection to Mike's tour.

As it is, I think the main potential beef with Jaisi's first montage video, ultimately I'm assuming unfounded, was that it appeared to be an *advertisement* sort of situation, in which case the C50 footage would be misleading. But if that video, or something like it, is being used at actual shows, then I don't think it's nearly as big of an issue. Mike uses other archival footage of the group (supposedly/apparently including Brian and Al after initially being asked in 2013 to remove Brian/Al imagery).

Make no mistake, I think Mike using archival footage or pics of members not on stage, certainly *living* members (and, for that matter, allowing vocals of deceased members to be heard on stage but not other living members), is kind of weird and in the context of where the entire group membership is at, kind of tacky and distasteful. But once people know who's on stage, they can play Sanford & Sons reruns in the back for all anyone cares and it's no longer an issue of misleading advertising.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Debbie KL on May 04, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
I doubt anybody knows if it's the same video, but I don't think that's the point anyone is making here. They've apparently just started using the video at shows, and for whatever reason relatively few people attend Mike/Bruce shows and post reviews here (I appreciate those who do), so it's hard to know.

In response to those however many months back who simply wondered what the deal was with Jaisi, there were a few folks who completely dismissed the entire thing as being a random fan and who scoffed at the idea that there was any "official" connection. Indeed, Ang Jones posted a couple of old comments that seemed to mock those who felt it was possible Jaisi had some sort of official or semi-official connection.

Obviously, it's entirely possible Jaisi was completely unknown to Mike at that point and only subsequently was contracted to make (or offered for free, or whatever their arrangement is) this tour intro video. I would tend to doubt that; I'd guess it's been an ongoing thing going back to when those videos popped up on YouTube. And again, it doesn't really matter anymore.

My best guess is the guy was a fan making whatever videos, and either sent his stuff to Mike, or Mike somehow learned of it, and subsequently Jaisi got a gig to do some stuff (for all we know for free) for Mike. Not a big deal. I don't think anybody really is beefing with anything to do with Mike, but rather the incredulity in the past from a few fans regarding even the *possibility* that Jaisi could have any official connection to Mike's tour.

As it is, I think the main potential beef with Jaisi's first montage video, ultimately I'm assuming unfounded, was that it appeared to be an *advertisement* sort of situation, in which case the C50 footage would be misleading. But if that video, or something like it, is being used at actual shows, then I don't think it's nearly as big of an issue. Mike uses other archival footage of the group (supposedly/apparently including Brian and Al after initially being asked in 2013 to remove Brian/Al imagery).

Make no mistake, I think Mike using archival footage or pics of members not on stage, certainly *living* members (and, for that matter, allowing vocals of deceased members to be heard on stage but not other living members), is kind of weird and in the context of where the entire group membership is at, kind of tacky and distasteful. But once people know who's on stage, they can play Sanford & Sons reruns in the back for all anyone cares and it's no longer an issue of misleading advertising.

I'm still curious where the professional C50 footage came from in the "fan" video.  Does anyone know?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 04, 2016, 04:35:40 PM
I'm not particularly enthusiastic about going back to those videos again or the resulting discussions, but my recollection is that the C50 footage seemed to be pulled mostly from common sources (wasn't some if it just from the C50 "Live in Concert" Blu-ray?), but there was post-C50 Mike/Bruce footage that was not commonly available. *That* was the stuff that seemed like Jaisi had a "source" other than simply ripping other YouTube videos or home video releases.

I think some folks did some sleuthing about where some of the footage came from, but I remember thinking there was some Mike/Bruce footage that looked "pro", and obviously there's very limited pro-shot Mike/Bruce footage out there outside of TV performances.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 04, 2016, 04:44:43 PM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 04, 2016, 04:51:47 PM
three out of ten. BW band blows them out of the water.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 04, 2016, 04:56:05 PM
three out of ten. BW band blows them out of the water.
Surprised you didn't give them a 0!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 04, 2016, 04:59:43 PM
I'm not particularly enthusiastic about going back to those videos again or the resulting discussions, but my recollection is that the C50 footage seemed to be pulled mostly from common sources (wasn't some if it just from the C50 "Live in Concert" Blu-ray?), but there was post-C50 Mike/Bruce footage that was not commonly available. *That* was the stuff that seemed like Jaisi had a "source" other than simply ripping other YouTube videos or home video releases.

I think some folks did some sleuthing about where some of the footage came from, but I remember thinking there was some Mike/Bruce footage that looked "pro", and obviously there's very limited pro-shot Mike/Bruce footage out there outside of TV performances.

I think you pretty much nailed it in this and your earlier post. Most of the footage used is from widely available sources and I think that was the reason for most questioning if he is "official". Also, as "professional" as the videos looked, it was essentially something that someone with a Macbook and some time on their hands could produce. I tend to remember someone claimed the M&B footage as their own, but can't place it now. My *guess* is it started as a fan messing around with available footage that Mike liked and subsequently has used. My suspicions of the "documentary" stem from the relatively amateur nature of the original clips. I did try sending Noven a private message via facebook asking what connection he had to the touring Beach Boys, but never got a response.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 04, 2016, 05:01:15 PM
three out of ten. BW band blows them out of the water.
Surprised you didn't give them a 0!
Trying to be generous ! ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 04, 2016, 05:10:16 PM
Noven said back in '15 that the sources for that '15 video (which we don't yet know if it is the same as the video mentioned recently) were all from his private collection.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 04, 2016, 06:14:53 PM
Noven said back in '15 that the sources for that '15 video (which we don't yet know if it is the same as the video mentioned recently) were all from his private collection.



Whichever way you wanna slice it, it seems fair to surmise that Mike - in all likelihood - doesn't have any particular problem on a personal level using whatever BB era footage possible, if it were to benefit the M&B show. Whether that be by giving a stamp of approval (maybe not in a legal, cleared-by-lawyers sense) to footage like this. I think if it were up to him, and there were no legal roadblocks in the way, he'd use any and all C50 and other footage at his disposal if he could.

Doesn't mean Mike would just use that type of footage exclusively, but I don't think he'd be all "that probably isn't ethically right or particularly accurate to use footage of Brian playing with us from a few years ago, when contrary to Brian's wishes, Brian's not in the band anymore".

Whatever limitations that Mike does with the name are imposed limitations. I don't think he would have any problem whatsoever in doing absolutely anything that could possibly benefit his version of the band, regardless of accuracy, if left to his own devices. IMHO.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on May 04, 2016, 06:41:20 PM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

The show I went to was a solid 7 I'd say.  The set list was shorter due them playing with the Temptations, but was an excellent show otherwise.  I imagine the indoor shows are even better.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on May 04, 2016, 06:43:25 PM
Must admit that I went to a M&B show back in March with low expectations. It was a pretty good show, I'd say a 7 out of 10. Lots of video, a fair amount showing Brian. Was hoping that Mike would mention Brian somewhere along the line but he didn't. Bruce, however, mentioned him in praising one of his songs. Mike sang okay; Bruce seemed to struggle a bit with Disney Girls (the only really weak song in the show). No interaction between Mike and Bruce.

The BW shows were better, in that there was a stronger band. Also seemed to be sincere camaraderie between Brian, Al and Blondie. The last show (benefit in Jackson) was quite excellent. Brian had a much better handle on GOK than in the December Biloxi show. In Jackson he allowed his voice to go softer, even to a falsetto on the high notes.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on May 04, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
So.... did they do Summer In Paradise last night? I noticed "PARADISE" was in the setlist that Mike posted.

I'm pretty sure it would be "Summer in Paradise." The "California Dreamin'/Summer in Paradise" pairing has been used going back to the 90s, with one song leading right into the other.

I guess it makes sense since they both featured Roger McGuinn (the UK SIP anyway). 

Yeah, they probably have Scott on a heavily compressed 12-string to get that Byrds sound.

I actually quite like Summer in Paradise--the song, not the album. (ducks and runs away)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 05, 2016, 12:40:13 AM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

I haven't seen the latest M&B shows - the last time was in 2014. They have upped their game since I saw them in 2004 but they still tend to concentrate mainly on the early years of The Beach Boys' career. I have mixed, indeed conflicting, feelings about that. On the one hand, I think it gives a false and limiting interpretation of what The Beach Boys meant rather than fully protecting their legacy - imagine a touring Beatles band mainly playing She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me and missing out most of Rubber Soul, Sgt Pepper and more. On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.

So my marks out of 10 for the M&B BBs. I'd probably give a 6, points deducted for an inaccurate impression of the band and for Mike's stage antics although that has improved a bit too. They mainly behave like a tribute band but they're not necessarily giving tribute to the best songs of The Beach Boys' career.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 05:25:56 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia." 

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 05, 2016, 06:17:53 AM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

I haven't seen the latest M&B shows - the last time was in 2014. They have upped their game since I saw them in 2004 but they still tend to concentrate mainly on the early years of The Beach Boys' career. I have mixed, indeed conflicting, feelings about that. On the one hand, I think it gives a false and limiting interpretation of what The Beach Boys meant rather than fully protecting their legacy - imagine a touring Beatles band mainly playing She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me and missing out most of Rubber Soul, Sgt Pepper and more. On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.

So my marks out of 10 for the M&B BBs. I'd probably give a 6, points deducted for an inaccurate impression of the band and for Mike's stage antics although that has improved a bit too. They mainly behave like a tribute band but they're not necessarily giving tribute to the best songs of The Beach Boys' career.
Ang - The Touring Band has come lightyears since 2004.  Those BB published songs are in the "style of the BB's" which is what is a condition of the touring license as I understand.  Mike was a part of the Surf's Up/Holland era and contributed (writing with Al a bit) and as published in the BB catalog.  The Touring Band has performed some of those songs, as recently as February when I was lucky to see them during an East Coast US tour.  I don't see it as the Touring Band "taking claim" as much as "expanding their performing set-lists" to their credit, growing in the job.   Those songs are BB work-product.  IIRC Mike accompanied Brian to Capitol, with Pet Sounds.  That does not look like not being supportive.  

Being part of BRI does not look like not being supportive.  The Paris Gaumont Palace interview clears all of that misconception up.

Let's not forget that Capitol under-promoted Pet Sounds and released a Best of Volume I,  less than 8 weeks post Pet Sounds, apparently feeling that they were at the "end of their production" dollar value.  Establishment of BRI to have more artistic control illustrates that they were all willing to take a financial risk to support Brian's and their work.  



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 05, 2016, 06:53:12 AM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

I haven't seen the latest M&B shows - the last time was in 2014. They have upped their game since I saw them in 2004 but they still tend to concentrate mainly on the early years of The Beach Boys' career. I have mixed, indeed conflicting, feelings about that. On the one hand, I think it gives a false and limiting interpretation of what The Beach Boys meant rather than fully protecting their legacy - imagine a touring Beatles band mainly playing She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me and missing out most of Rubber Soul, Sgt Pepper and more. On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.

So my marks out of 10 for the M&B BBs. I'd probably give a 6, points deducted for an inaccurate impression of the band and for Mike's stage antics although that has improved a bit too. They mainly behave like a tribute band but they're not necessarily giving tribute to the best songs of The Beach Boys' career.
Ang - The Touring Band has come lightyears since 2004.  Those BB published songs are in the "style of the BB's" which is what is a condition of the touring license as I understand.  Mike was a part of the Surf's Up/Holland era and contributed (writing with Al a bit) and as published in the BB catalog.  The Touring Band has performed some of those songs, as recently as February when I was lucky to see them during an East Coast US tour.  I don't see it as the Touring Band "taking claim" as much as "expanding their performing set-lists" to their credit, growing in the job.   Those songs are BB work-product.  IIRC Mike accompanied Brian to Capitol, with Pet Sounds.  That does not look like not being supportive.  

Being part of BRI does not look like not being supportive.  The Paris Gaumont Palace interview clears all of that misconception up.

Let's not forget that Capitol under-promoted Pet Sounds and released a Best of Volume I,  less than 8 weeks post Pet Sounds, apparently feeling that they were at the "end of their production" dollar value.  Establishment of BRI to have more artistic control illustrates that they were all willing to take a financial risk to support Brian's and their work.  



Let's not forget that Mike called this "Brian's ego music' either. My guess is that Mike liked some of the music (with exceptions, like the Hang on to Your Ego lyric) but was worried about how it would be received by the public, which of course is understandable but I think perhaps he should have realised that they had to keep up or else they would have fallen so far behind. Brian was aware of the competition from bands like The Beatles and was anxious not just to rely on the style that was becoming dated.

As I have written, I attended a show in 2014 so I've seen them a lot more recently than 2004. I accept they've improved since then too.

I drew attention in the thread about how Capitol should have acted in 1966 to the unfortunate release of a Best of compilation in competition with Pet Sounds.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 05, 2016, 07:00:14 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia." 

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating. 

I can only speak for myself but it seems to me that the M&B BBs are relying on the nostalgia aspect of the music, whereas Brian is playing songs that he considers to be his best or his favourite music. However, I must add that I prefer it when Brian doesn't just go for the summer songs with which The Beach Boys are too often associated. That is a part only of his creative output but it gets far more acknowledgment than most of the rest, including songs that are far more subtle, complex and IMO important.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 05, 2016, 07:10:21 AM
Mike's band comes off as Mike and his hired hands doing their cold/well-oiled touring jukebox for the 1000th time. BW's band is an organic unit whose members seem like family and enjoy breathing new life into whatever they play.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 05, 2016, 07:55:07 AM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

I haven't seen the latest M&B shows - the last time was in 2014. They have upped their game since I saw them in 2004 but they still tend to concentrate mainly on the early years of The Beach Boys' career. I have mixed, indeed conflicting, feelings about that. On the one hand, I think it gives a false and limiting interpretation of what The Beach Boys meant rather than fully protecting their legacy - imagine a touring Beatles band mainly playing She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me and missing out most of Rubber Soul, Sgt Pepper and more. On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.

So my marks out of 10 for the M&B BBs. I'd probably give a 6, points deducted for an inaccurate impression of the band and for Mike's stage antics although that has improved a bit too. They mainly behave like a tribute band but they're not necessarily giving tribute to the best songs of The Beach Boys' career.
Ang - The Touring Band has come lightyears since 2004.  Those BB published songs are in the "style of the BB's" which is what is a condition of the touring license as I understand.  Mike was a part of the Surf's Up/Holland era and contributed (writing with Al a bit) and as published in the BB catalog.  The Touring Band has performed some of those songs, as recently as February when I was lucky to see them during an East Coast US tour.  I don't see it as the Touring Band "taking claim" as much as "expanding their performing set-lists" to their credit, growing in the job.   Those songs are BB work-product.  IIRC Mike accompanied Brian to Capitol, with Pet Sounds.  That does not look like not being supportive.  

Being part of BRI does not look like not being supportive.  The Paris Gaumont Palace interview clears all of that misconception up.

Let's not forget that Capitol under-promoted Pet Sounds and released a Best of Volume I,  less than 8 weeks post Pet Sounds, apparently feeling that they were at the "end of their production" dollar value.  Establishment of BRI to have more artistic control illustrates that they were all willing to take a financial risk to support Brian's and their work.  



Let's not forget that Mike called this "Brian's ego music' either. My guess is that Mike liked some of the music (with exceptions, like the Hang on to Your Ego lyric) but was worried about how it would be received by the public, which of course is understandable but I think perhaps he should have realised that they had to keep up or else they would have fallen so far behind. Brian was aware of the competition from bands like The Beatles and was anxious not just to rely on the style that was becoming dated.

As I have written, I attended a show in 2014 so I've seen them a lot more recently than 2004. I accept they've improved since then too.

I drew attention in the thread about how Capitol should have acted in 1966 to the unfortunate release of a Best of compilation in competition with Pet Sounds.

Ang - BRI was set up to do BB work and to my best understanding (until later grooming of newly discovered talent) and while the BB's were touring, Brian was doing writing.  I have been impressed that Brian was always working "remotely" in ways, that people now work away from the performance of the business on tour. I have never been impressed that Brian broke off as a solo act as Diana Ross did, and many others did, but that his work was in behalf of the band, because he could not do-it-all (nor should anyone have to) and tour.  So the benefit of the writing was attached to the band's mission of being independent (or sort of) from the record company. 

As much as a fan can empathize with a major figure, I still can get aggravated just thinking of how these young guys were thrown under the bus by Capitol, never mind what damage Murry did to them, and especially his own kids. 

There is always an element of nostalgia whether it is CSNY or the Beatles or BW/BB.  It is what some of us find to be comfortable music. Where else can you close your eyes and be 15 years old again, for a couple of hours?

When I hear some of the Buffalo Springfield/CSNY, I feel pride about that era, and what college students were able to effectuate and the activism that flowed from that era.  The earliest BB music is before my time (Thank God!)  I'm proud that the BB's had voter registration drives at some of their concerts, when the voting age went to 18 in 1972.  Brian plays All Summer Long a lot, live, as well as some of the older catalog and the crowd goes nuts.  He is still a Beach Boy, after all.  ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 07:56:21 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia." 

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating. 

I can only speak for myself but it seems to me that the M&B BBs are relying on the nostalgia aspect of the music, whereas Brian is playing songs that he considers to be his best or his favourite music. However, I must add that I prefer it when Brian doesn't just go for the summer songs with which The Beach Boys are too often associated. That is a part only of his creative output but it gets far more acknowledgment than most of the rest, including songs that are far more subtle, complex and IMO important.

You're entitled to your opinion, Ang.  But, personally, I think that assessment is based on bias.  

Both camps, in a way, are relying on nostalgia.  Any artist that's been around as long as Brian or Mike rely on nostalgia.  

Also, Brian has said in many interviews that his favorite BB albums are Friends and Love You.  But, in concert, he doesn't touch that material too much.

Again, your opinion, and that's fine, but I fail to see the difference between Mike playing 1962-65 music and Brian playing Pet Sounds.  


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 05, 2016, 08:18:22 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia." 

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating. 

I can only speak for myself but it seems to me that the M&B BBs are relying on the nostalgia aspect of the music, whereas Brian is playing songs that he considers to be his best or his favourite music. However, I must add that I prefer it when Brian doesn't just go for the summer songs with which The Beach Boys are too often associated. That is a part only of his creative output but it gets far more acknowledgment than most of the rest, including songs that are far more subtle, complex and IMO important.

You're entitled to your opinion, Ang.  But, personally, I think that assessment is based on bias.  

Both camps, in a way, are relying on nostalgia.  Any artist that's been around as long as Brian or Mike rely on nostalgia.  

Also, Brian has said in many interviews that his favorite BB albums are Friends and Love You.  But, in concert, he doesn't touch that material too much.

Again, your opinion, and that's fine, but I fail to see the difference between Mike playing 1962-65 music and Brian playing Pet Sounds.  

I'll admit to bias if I may qualify that by stating that the reason for the bias is seeing the way that Mike has behaved over the years. When I read recently the wording in that 2005 lawsuit, it was hard to see the cousinly affection that we are told exists. Families are complicated but it is obvious that those who want to believe that these people are all the best of friends are not being entirely honest with themselves.

Yes, we all feel nostalgia about the good things from the past but it can be used cynically to sell a product or it can be one of several reasons for listening to a piece of music. Perhaps I am wrong to assign a level of cynicism to the M&B version of the BBs but I'm sorry, that is somehow the way it seems to me.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 08:26:32 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia." 

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating. 

I can only speak for myself but it seems to me that the M&B BBs are relying on the nostalgia aspect of the music, whereas Brian is playing songs that he considers to be his best or his favourite music. However, I must add that I prefer it when Brian doesn't just go for the summer songs with which The Beach Boys are too often associated. That is a part only of his creative output but it gets far more acknowledgment than most of the rest, including songs that are far more subtle, complex and IMO important.

You're entitled to your opinion, Ang.  But, personally, I think that assessment is based on bias.  

Both camps, in a way, are relying on nostalgia.  Any artist that's been around as long as Brian or Mike rely on nostalgia.  

Also, Brian has said in many interviews that his favorite BB albums are Friends and Love You.  But, in concert, he doesn't touch that material too much.

Again, your opinion, and that's fine, but I fail to see the difference between Mike playing 1962-65 music and Brian playing Pet Sounds.  

I'll admit to bias if I may qualify that by stating that the reason for the bias is seeing the way that Mike has behaved over the years. When I read recently the wording in that 2005 lawsuit, it was hard to see the cousinly affection that we are told exists. Families are complicated but it is obvious that those who want to believe that these people are all the best of friends are not being entirely honest with themselves.

Yes, we all feel nostalgia about the good things from the past but it can be used cynically to sell a product or it can be one of several reasons for listening to a piece of music. Perhaps I am wrong to assign a level of cynicism to the M&B version of the BBs but I'm sorry, that is somehow the way it seems to me.

Having seen M&B twice in the last two years, I'll have to respectfully disagree.  I've been bands with one or two members just going through the motions in concert, playing the old hits.  But I don't get that vibe with M&B. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 08:57:46 AM
Both “bands” have had ups and downs in terms of doing the “meat and potatoes” stuff versus “deep cuts”, “early stuff” versus “later era” stuff. The whole dynamic of the band’s fan base and what is “doable” in concert has changed drastically compared to even the 1990s, and is in part a separate but quite interesting issue.

Here's the *main* difference between Mike and Brian’s band from a *set list* point of view: With a few exceptions, a “Brian Wilson” show is a showcase of Brian’s *writing.* As I’ve said many times, even when Al and Blondie are in the band, Brian’s shows are mostly songs Brian wrote or co-wrote. There are a few covers (usually old BB covers), and the occasional Dennis cover (which Brian arguably had a hand in), and Al’s “California Saga” (which Brian at least sang on originally). For better or worse, Brian doesn’t showcase stuff other guys in the band wrote and sang.

Let’s look at the most recent 2016 BW setlist. What’s on that list that Brian didn’t write or co-write beyond cover versions? Zilch. They didn’t even do “Cal Saga.” The only covers are “Barbara Ann” and a snippet of “Proud Mary.” So you’ve got a 40-song Brian setlist where Brian wrote 38 of them.  

Let’s look at the most recent Mike setlist, which as it happens is almost the same number of songs to boot. What’s on the list that Mike (or Brue) didn’t co-write beyond cover versions? Surfer Girl, In My Room, Don’t Worry Baby, Little Deuce Coupe, Shut Down, and God Only Knows. Plus about seven cover versions. So you’ve got a 42-song setlist where Mike co-wrote 28 of them, plus one Bruce track.

Obviously, both setlists are Brian *and* Mike-centric to some degree largely because they both play some of the same “hit” songs. But Brian’s show is a showcase of his music. Mike’s show is a showcase of The Beach Boys’ music. Again, makes sense when you look at their naming conventions.

But we also see some disparities when we look at alternate setlists. Brian has also several times done *full albums* of solo material in concert. So when Brian stretches, he stretches towards music of his own. When Mike “stretches” and does deep cuts, he starts mining more stuff that *Brian* wrote, often without Mike. “You Still Believe In Me”, “’Til I Die”, “Surf’s Up.”

So you never see Brian bust out “Kokomo” or “Summer in Paradise.” Both bands are working from a big pot of music. But Brian pulls almost exclusively from “Brian” material, whereas Mike pulls from his own stuff, does a solo track or two sometimes, and then also pulls in a lot of stuff he didn’t have a hand in.

I’m the first to admit there’s a certain amount of “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” when it comes to Mike’s setlists. He does all hits and he’s the “traveling jukebox.” He does “Surf’s Up” and then it’s sacrilege. But I think there’s room to make a more nuanced argument. The “jukebox” accusations, which Mike dispelled later into the 2000s with better setlists, came more from not being representative of the band’s whole career. It didn’t mean people needed to hear a sideman in Mike’s band sing “Surf’s Up”, it just meant Mike could broaden the setlist and even just do his own “deep cuts” from the BB catalog (along the lines of “All I Wanna Do” or “All This is That”). While Mike has done that, he has also been most liberal and open to Brian-centric deep cuts when it’s *his* choice. It’s the same when it comes to talking about Brian. Talking about Brian at one of his (Mike’s) own shows is a lot easier, and playing “’Til I Die” at his own show is a lot easier, when it’s on Mike’s terms in Mike’s own band. But when Brian suggests “Marcella” and Mike kind of gives a “mixed” response (I think this is a fair characterization based on Jason Fine’s description in Rolling Stone), that’s someone *telling* Mike to do a song.

Also, the “perception” and context of what Mike does in his own shows post-2012 will forever, at least in the minds of some, be framed based on his rejection of the reunion lineup. When he CHOOSES to not continue with the Beach Boys with Brian, and then starts knocking out Brian-penned deep cuts in concerts, some fans will find that a bit more of a dick maneuver. Same with 2016 and the likely mini-PS sets Mike is going to do. He could have tried to keep the reunion going and we’ve have Brian’s stage presentation but with Mike and Bruce added, doing the full “Pet Sounds” album. Instead, Mike would rather go out on his own, do hunks of the album, and hire one extra woodwind guy to fill the sound out. That’s his prerogative, but the kind of conflicted, mixed reaction he gets from some grizzled hardcore fans is then sometimes the result.  


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 10:28:13 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 05, 2016, 10:32:39 AM
On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.


I agree wholeheartedly with this sentiment. It's just a bit weird, and honestly I don't know how it doesn't leave an odd taste in one's mouth. Yes, we are lucky to get an original BB to be performing deep cuts, that is an undeniable truth. But the odd hypocrisy of it all is something that nags at me.

I wonder... if Cabinessence had become a more widely-known and well-loved song (it is, but not anywhere near the level of those other Brian and Brian/Van-centric deep cuts AngJones mentioned)... would Mike have the cojones to perform that song live, after all the grief and fallout that happened over his finger-wagging over the lyrics? Something tells me the answer is yes, that he would just go ahead and play it anyway.

I'm surprised Mike hasn't told his band to sing the "happy" version with the "I've found my way" lyrics for Til I Die.

Has Mike ever performed I Know There's An Answer live?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 10:51:42 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 05, 2016, 11:03:50 AM
Mike's band comes off as Mike and his hired hands doing their cold/well-oiled touring jukebox for the 1000th time. BW's band is an organic unit whose members seem like family and enjoy breathing new life into whatever they play.

myKe luHv and the Sidemen :-D would be an improved name instead of the BBs which they're not.  ::)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 11:06:08 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia." 

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating. 

I can only speak for myself but it seems to me that the M&B BBs are relying on the nostalgia aspect of the music, whereas Brian is playing songs that he considers to be his best or his favourite music. However, I must add that I prefer it when Brian doesn't just go for the summer songs with which The Beach Boys are too often associated. That is a part only of his creative output but it gets far more acknowledgment than most of the rest, including songs that are far more subtle, complex and IMO important.

You're entitled to your opinion, Ang.  But, personally, I think that assessment is based on bias.  

Both camps, in a way, are relying on nostalgia.  Any artist that's been around as long as Brian or Mike rely on nostalgia.  

Also, Brian has said in many interviews that his favorite BB albums are Friends and Love You.  But, in concert, he doesn't touch that material too much.

Again, your opinion, and that's fine, but I fail to see the difference between Mike playing 1962-65 music and Brian playing Pet Sounds.  

I'll admit to bias if I may qualify that by stating that the reason for the bias is seeing the way that Mike has behaved over the years. When I read recently the wording in that 2005 lawsuit, it was hard to see the cousinly affection that we are told exists. Families are complicated but it is obvious that those who want to believe that these people are all the best of friends are not being entirely honest with themselves.

Yes, we all feel nostalgia about the good things from the past but it can be used cynically to sell a product or it can be one of several reasons for listening to a piece of music. Perhaps I am wrong to assign a level of cynicism to the M&B version of the BBs but I'm sorry, that is somehow the way it seems to me.

Ang,

I may not agree with you.  But I'm glad that you made your points with logic and tact. 

Which is more than I can say for some posters here....


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 05, 2016, 11:18:56 AM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

I haven't seen the latest M&B shows - the last time was in 2014. They have upped their game since I saw them in 2004 but they still tend to concentrate mainly on the early years of The Beach Boys' career. I have mixed, indeed conflicting, feelings about that. On the one hand, I think it gives a false and limiting interpretation of what The Beach Boys meant rather than fully protecting their legacy - imagine a touring Beatles band mainly playing She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me and missing out most of Rubber Soul, Sgt Pepper and more. On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.

So my marks out of 10 for the M&B BBs. I'd probably give a 6, points deducted for an inaccurate impression of the band and for Mike's stage antics although that has improved a bit too. They mainly behave like a tribute band but they're not necessarily giving tribute to the best songs of The Beach Boys' career.
Ang - The Touring Band has come lightyears since 2004.  Those BB published songs are in the "style of the BB's" which is what is a condition of the touring license as I understand.  Mike was a part of the Surf's Up/Holland era and contributed (writing with Al a bit) and as published in the BB catalog.  The Touring Band has performed some of those songs, as recently as February when I was lucky to see them during an East Coast US tour.  I don't see it as the Touring Band "taking claim" as much as "expanding their performing set-lists" to their credit, growing in the job.   Those songs are BB work-product.  IIRC Mike accompanied Brian to Capitol, with Pet Sounds.  That does not look like not being supportive.  

Being part of BRI does not look like not being supportive.  The Paris Gaumont Palace interview clears all of that misconception up.

Let's not forget that Capitol under-promoted Pet Sounds and released a Best of Volume I,  less than 8 weeks post Pet Sounds, apparently feeling that they were at the "end of their production" dollar value.  Establishment of BRI to have more artistic control illustrates that they were all willing to take a financial risk to support Brian's and their work.  



Let's not forget that Mike called this "Brian's ego music' either. My guess is that Mike liked some of the music (with exceptions, like the Hang on to Your Ego lyric) but was worried about how it would be received by the public, which of course is understandable but I think perhaps he should have realised that they had to keep up or else they would have fallen so far behind. Brian was aware of the competition from bands like The Beatles and was anxious not just to rely on the style that was becoming dated.

As I have written, I attended a show in 2014 so I've seen them a lot more recently than 2004. I accept they've improved since then too.

I drew attention in the thread about how Capitol should have acted in 1966 to the unfortunate release of a Best of compilation in competition with Pet Sounds.


Right on target, Ang, but I've gotts ask, why did it take all those years for myKe luHv's band to improve (as you said)? Was it a case of musicians wanting to work but not with him? Was it a case of myKe settling for the status quo or not wanting to part with the cashola. Lastly, why was Brian's band so incredible out of the gate?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 05, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

And they are humble.

I agree with you KDS, well stated.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 11:21:48 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 11:43:26 AM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.

If you strip away the couple of palm trees and the video board that M&B use, they still present a very good version of the classic material. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 11:44:33 AM
The full-time cheerleaders on tour ended a long time ago. Were they even still in the show regularly when Carl and Al did their last touring in 1997?

I do believe they still have cheerleaders out on occasion for "Be True..", from local areas.

It's funny, though. People have mentioned the cheerleaders from the past and Totten's "guitar" thing with ladies on stage as two examples of tackiness, and I found a pic (dated March 23, 2013) that combines both!

(http://archive.11alive.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/photogallery/285053/164502666_10.jpg)



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

And they are humble.

I agree with you KDS, well stated.

Thank you, Cam


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 12:01:35 PM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.

If you strip away the couple of palm trees and the video board that M&B use, they still present a very good version of the classic material.  

That may be, but the stage props and video board are there for a reason. They are supposed to create a nostalgic/fun atmosphere for the songs that are played. Some of us find that it detracts from the artistic foundation of the songs. And in answer to your initial question, that is a probable reason as to why some fans are more critical of Mike when his band performs the classic 60s songs.

I do believe they still have cheerleaders out on occasion for "Be True..", from local areas.

I thought I remember seeing a video of some local area cheerleaders at a recent (2015) concert of theirs. But I could be totally be misremembering.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 05, 2016, 12:12:40 PM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.

If you strip away the couple of palm trees and the video board that M&B use, they still present a very good version of the classic material.  

That may be, but the stage props and video board are there for a reason. They are supposed to create a nostalgic/fun atmosphere for the songs that are played. Some of us find that it detracts from the artistic foundation of the songs. And in answer to your initial question, that is a probable reason as to why some fans are more critical of Mike when his band performs the classic 60s songs.

I do believe they still have cheerleaders out on occasion for "Be True..", from local areas.

I thought I remember seeing a video of some local area cheerleaders at a recent (2015) concert of theirs. But I could be totally be misremembering.

I wonder who was responsible for the idea of the SMiLE Sessions surfboard? That was such a cheesy and bizarre item that totally contradicted the material. Maybe Brian greenlit the idea in the end, though I assume it originated from some marketing knucklehead suit's idea.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 05, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
I didn't see cheerleaders at the last M^B show I attended but when I went to the C50 shows in Royal Albert Hall and Wembley Arena, they had a screen showing young people in swimsuits, palm trees, beaches during the first half. Mike himself said it was a show in two halves (meaning first and second) but many a true word spoken in jest. The first half was more typical of a M&B show.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 05, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
Bit of a dumb question, but for those of you have attended a M&B show, how would you rate it out of 10?

I haven't seen the latest M&B shows - the last time was in 2014. They have upped their game since I saw them in 2004 but they still tend to concentrate mainly on the early years of The Beach Boys' career. I have mixed, indeed conflicting, feelings about that. On the one hand, I think it gives a false and limiting interpretation of what The Beach Boys meant rather than fully protecting their legacy - imagine a touring Beatles band mainly playing She Loves You, Twist and Shout, Please Please Me and missing out most of Rubber Soul, Sgt Pepper and more. On the other hand, songs like Til I Die, that Mike allegedly found depressing, or morbid or whatever he said, and Surf's Up with its VDP 'acid alliteration', Caroline No, which was originally a Brian Wilson single - these songs are so Brian's. Brian believed in them and was prepared to take a chance rather than play it safe. I resent Mike laying claim to them now that they are generally accepted as being great.

So my marks out of 10 for the M&B BBs. I'd probably give a 6, points deducted for an inaccurate impression of the band and for Mike's stage antics although that has improved a bit too. They mainly behave like a tribute band but they're not necessarily giving tribute to the best songs of The Beach Boys' career.
Ang - The Touring Band has come lightyears since 2004.  Those BB published songs are in the "style of the BB's" which is what is a condition of the touring license as I understand.  Mike was a part of the Surf's Up/Holland era and contributed (writing with Al a bit) and as published in the BB catalog.  The Touring Band has performed some of those songs, as recently as February when I was lucky to see them during an East Coast US tour.  I don't see it as the Touring Band "taking claim" as much as "expanding their performing set-lists" to their credit, growing in the job.   Those songs are BB work-product.  IIRC Mike accompanied Brian to Capitol, with Pet Sounds.  That does not look like not being supportive.  

Being part of BRI does not look like not being supportive.  The Paris Gaumont Palace interview clears all of that misconception up.

Let's not forget that Capitol under-promoted Pet Sounds and released a Best of Volume I,  less than 8 weeks post Pet Sounds, apparently feeling that they were at the "end of their production" dollar value.  Establishment of BRI to have more artistic control illustrates that they were all willing to take a financial risk to support Brian's and their work.  



Let's not forget that Mike called this "Brian's ego music' either. My guess is that Mike liked some of the music (with exceptions, like the Hang on to Your Ego lyric) but was worried about how it would be received by the public, which of course is understandable but I think perhaps he should have realised that they had to keep up or else they would have fallen so far behind. Brian was aware of the competition from bands like The Beatles and was anxious not just to rely on the style that was becoming dated.

As I have written, I attended a show in 2014 so I've seen them a lot more recently than 2004. I accept they've improved since then too.

I drew attention in the thread about how Capitol should have acted in 1966 to the unfortunate release of a Best of compilation in competition with Pet Sounds.


Right on target, Ang, but I've gotts ask, why did it take all those years for myKe luHv's band to improve (as you said)? Was it a case of musicians wanting to work but not with him? Was it a case of myKe settling for the status quo or not wanting to part with the cashola. Lastly, why was Brian's band so incredible out of the gate?

My guess is simply that Mike was trying to compete with Brian and went to some lengths to improve the show. They got two people who had worked with Brian, of course, Jeff Foskett and Brian Eichenberger, and having worked with Brian and his band during C50 perhaps was instructive too.

Brian was always more concerned with the music than just a lightweight, fun sort of event and often though not invariably played venues where musical quality was more important. Less noticeable at race tracks and county fairs with an audience who want to throw beach balls about. Those beach balls... it's harmless but I prefer to take music more seriously. I don't want to be hit on the head whilst trying to listen to God Only Knows, thanks very much!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 12:21:48 PM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.

If you strip away the couple of palm trees and the video board that M&B use, they still present a very good version of the classic material.  

That may be, but the stage props and video board are there for a reason. They are supposed to create a nostalgic/fun atmosphere for the songs that are played. Some of us find that it detracts from the artistic foundation of the songs. And in answer to your initial question, that is a probable reason as to why some fans are more critical of Mike when his band performs the classic 60s songs.

I do believe they still have cheerleaders out on occasion for "Be True..", from local areas.

I thought I remember seeing a video of some local area cheerleaders at a recent (2015) concert of theirs. But I could be totally be misremembering.

I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 12:24:47 PM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.

If you strip away the couple of palm trees and the video board that M&B use, they still present a very good version of the classic material.  

That may be, but the stage props and video board are there for a reason. They are supposed to create a nostalgic/fun atmosphere for the songs that are played. Some of us find that it detracts from the artistic foundation of the songs. And in answer to your initial question, that is a probable reason as to why some fans are more critical of Mike when his band performs the classic 60s songs.

I do believe they still have cheerleaders out on occasion for "Be True..", from local areas.

I thought I remember seeing a video of some local area cheerleaders at a recent (2015) concert of theirs. But I could be totally be misremembering.

I wonder who was responsible for the idea of the SMiLE Sessions surfboard? That was such a cheesy and bizarre item that totally contradicted the material. Maybe Brian greenlit the idea in the end, though I assume it originated from some marketing knucklehead suit's idea.

That always floored me. I think there was also a No Pier Pressure surfboard for Brian's latest solo release...But better they're being sold online than being displayed at concerts.

Less noticeable at race tracks and county fairs with an audience who want to throw beach balls about. Those beach balls... it's harmless but I prefer to take music more seriously.

A few were tossed about at one Brian concert I went to last year - needless to say they didn't stay out for very long at all...probably a minute haha


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 12:40:19 PM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 05, 2016, 12:44:40 PM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

Rab,

You're not offending me. 

I just happen to get the same enjoyment of hearing the songs done by both groups, regardless of what is or isn't onstage with the group. 

So, I'll just respectfully disagree.

And Ang,

Personally, I'm not a fan of beach balls at ANY concert or ball game, etc.  That can be extremely distracting if you're trying to watch the band and you have to keep the flying beach balls in your field of vision. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 12:45:47 PM
This is all just an outgrowth of other debates, like the John Stamos conundrum, or whether it's better to do big shows in big cities or a larger amount of smaller shows in smaller markets. It's emblematic of an underlying cultural/social/political issue in some cases (not always; I'm not trying to overanalyze here), and sometimes that probably veers too far into "Sandbox" territory (which I'm not interested in here).

Some people think a more respectable (and thus respected) image for the band is better. Some people think that it's a bigger deal to play Madison Square Garden than the Cleveland Rib Cook-off or a bowling alley in Anchorage. Others feel that such an argument is immediately somehow an elitist argument.

Palm trees on a stage (fake or real, I guess) aren't a big deal. It's another symptom of a different tone and approach and sensibility. It doesn't mean Brian has his whole band dress in formal wear and only play opera houses. Indeed, Brian and Mike actually sometimes play some of the *same* venues, do some of the same songs, and so on.

Mike has stripped away a lot of the tacky aspects of his show, and I think Brian's solo touring (the format, the setlist, the openness to catering to "hardcore" fans more, the build-up of the band's credibility in more "indie" circles, etc.) has been one of the reasons for that. Ironically, Mike has improved the performance quality and setlists of his shows while simultaneously opting out of touring with all of the surviving members. That's how you end up with this weird cognitive dissonance of Mike finally embracing (or at least tolerating, and/or capitalizing on goodwill from fans) stuff like "Surf's Up" and other Brian-centric deep cuts, while eschewing actually touring with Brian or Al and having sidemen sing those songs.

Frankly, I think Mike and his fans have little reason to complain (not that anybody is, in this particular thread anyway). He pretty much is having his cake and eating it too. He does his "party band" thing, with women being invited up on stage and Stamos thrashing around on drums, and also capitalizes on the goodwill Brian has engendered with deep cuts, without actually having to share the stage with Brian, to cede any control over anything to do with touring, without having to compromise with anyone, without hearing the crowd cheer more for Brian even when he just burps.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 12:56:07 PM
Rab,

You're not offending me.  

I just happen to get the same enjoyment of hearing the songs done by both groups, regardless of what is or isn't onstage with the group.  

So, I'll just respectfully disagree.


But I'm not saying that there aren't people who enjoy both. I'm saying that there are a certain sect of fans who find the touring band's show to be geared towards nostalgia, and these fans don't enjoy that (which is why they are more inclined to enjoy a Brian show that focuses more on the music and less on the nostalgia), and thus they are critical of the performance...Which is merely a logical response to your initial question.

Props to you for enjoying both shows, I'm sure many people here would and do enjoy both. Everyone has different tastes.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 05, 2016, 01:08:34 PM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

The proof is really in this question I'll pose here:

How many people get emotional, truly shedding a tear or two, being overwhelmed by the sheer emotional force of the music at a Brian Wilson show vs. the same happening at a M&B show? I have gotten choked up more than once at Brian shows. I honestly think that a bunch of cheesy props might get in the way of the emotional synapses firing in the same way if I were to attend a M&B show (which I admittedly haven't attended in a decade +).

I'm not saying that people aren't capable of being touched at M&B shows, but that the atmosphere there with things like props + cheerleaders + Stamos is likely to lend itself to the music being less of an emotional whopper to people in a general, overall sense - relatively speaking.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 05, 2016, 01:18:58 PM
Yes, props to those of us less engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 01:21:34 PM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

The proof is really in this question I'll pose here:

How many people get emotional, truly shedding a tear or two, being overwhelmed by the sheer emotional force of the music at a Brian Wilson show vs. the same happening at a M&B show? I have gotten choked up more than once at Brian shows. I honestly think that a bunch of cheesy props might get in the way of the emotional synapses firing in the same way if I were to attend a M&B show (which I admittedly haven't attended in a decade +).

Exactly. They are different shows geared towards different types of fan. KDS and others enjoy both, others enjoy one or the other. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with any of that. The touring band performance doesn't at all look like my cup of tea. I'm indeed more inclined to close my eyes and enjoy the ethereal/spiritual beauty of the live harmonies at a Brian Wilson show...and I'm more allowed to do that without distraction there. A few years ago I probably would've enjoyed knocking back a few and dancing/singing to the touring band. Some enjoy both. Different strokes, different folks.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 05, 2016, 02:06:15 PM
I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

A nostalgia trip? That would be milking an album - again - that is a half century old. A nostalgia trip? That would be asking ex-Beach Boy Al Jardine to join in the nostalgia trip, not to sing the handful of tracks he sang on a recent album, but to cover a few surf & turf classics! A nostalgia trip? How about asking another ex-Beach Boy, Brian's good friend What's His Name, to sing a couple songs from another 42 year-old Beach Boys' album.

And, speaking of recent albums...Brian's been a solo performer a lot longer than he's been a Beach Boy, almost thirty years now. Yet he almost completely ignores his solo material. Maybe he doesn't like his solo songs. Or, maybe he doesn't know his solo songs; most people don't.

A question for you, rab2591. What does Brian Wilson have in common with that cheerleader on stage with an instrument she doesn't know what to do with?

And, speaking of cheerleaders and plants and trees on stage. Hey, that's just old Mike Love trying to give the audience a little added touch. Now Brian, well, he has to watch his bottom line. I mean, it's not enough he gets paid for Beach Boys' shows, he has an 80 gig tour of his own! Talk about the goose who laid the golden egg... Now, rab2591, do you think 74 year-old Brian really - REALLY! - wants to be playing 80 gig tours with his mental health issues, his penchant for stage fright, his aching back, and a young family at home? But, I'm glad he's making people happy; I know that is important to him.

And then there's this talk about Mike copying Brian's shows and "upping his game". Don't forget that Mike & Bruce were playing "Wild Honey" live a few years ago before old Blondie Chaplin returned with his guest appearances. Roll over John Cowsill!!!!!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 05, 2016, 02:27:39 PM
Brian is doing what he wants....


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 02:37:59 PM
And then there's this talk about Mike copying Brian's shows and "upping his game". Don't forget that Mike & Bruce were playing "Wild Honey" live a few years ago before old Blondie Chaplin returned with his guest appearances. Roll over John Cowsill!!!!!


Not that it matters (really, we're into "who added the deep cut first?" territory?), but Al's "Family & Friends" were doing "Wild Honey" with Matt on lead in 1999 and 2000, before Mike's band ever did it, and before Cowsill was even in Mike's band. I think the last time it had been in the setlist was 1976 with Carl on lead, and it didn't last long during that timeframe either.

Both Brian and Al (in the limited capacity he was able to) were doing more deep cuts in 1999 and 2000 than Mike was. Eventually, spurred by Brian (and perhaps a bit, in concept anyway, by Al) and other factors, he started adding more.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 05, 2016, 02:38:23 PM
I like a beer and Chardonnay. Mostly one follows the other but occasionally I may have several of one. Both are great!

Bit like Beach Boys music really.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 02:42:14 PM

And, speaking of cheerleaders and plants and trees on stage. Hey, that's just old Mike Love trying to give the audience a little added touch. Now Brian, well, he has to watch his bottom line. I mean, it's not enough he gets paid for Beach Boys' shows, he has an 80 gig tour of his own! Talk about the goose who laid the golden egg... Now, rab2591, do you think 74 year-old Brian really - REALLY! - wants to be playing 80 gig tours with his mental health issues, his penchant for stage fright, his aching back, and a young family at home? But, I'm glad he's making people happy; I know that is important to him.


I'd venture to guess Mike personally grosses more money per year playing his licensed shows, and also collecting the same 25% of his own license fee as Brian does, than Brian does on his tour and his 25% cut of the licensing fee.

"Goose who laid the golden egg?" It takes some balls to contend (I'm assuming) that Mike is the "goose" for Brian, considering the songwriting breakdown in their respective setlists that I posted above.

Brian is the "goose" for all of these guys, and has been since 1961. Dennis said this way back then, Al will tell you this now. Guess who won't? Doesn't mean they're not all talented. But c'mon.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 02:42:44 PM
Brian is doing what he wants....

Brian is controlled and still medicated. It used to be the indiscriminate use of street drugs, but now it’s prescribed drugs. Duh.

A nostalgia trip? That would be milking an album - again - that is a half century old. A nostalgia trip? That would be asking ex-Beach Boy Al Jardine to join in the nostalgia trip, not to sing the handful of tracks he sang on a recent album, but to cover a few surf & turf classics! A nostalgia trip? How about asking another ex-Beach Boy, Brian's good friend What's His Name, to sing a couple songs from another 42 year-old Beach Boys' album.

Your point? If you actually read the post you quoted of mine, you'd see that I agree there is a certain level of nostalgia at Brian's concerts....you know, the part where I wrote "The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic"

Al Jardine? He sings on 'One Kind Of Love' in the background (which is in fact a Brian Wilson solo song, as is 'Love and Mercy' which are both played at his shows).

And, speaking of cheerleaders and plants and trees on stage. Hey, that's just old Mike Love trying to give the audience a little added touch.

Yep, and I said as much. He puts on a show geared towards a specific audience. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Now, rab2591, do you think 74 year-old Brian really - REALLY! - wants to be playing 80 gig tours with his mental health issues, his penchant for stage fright, his aching back, and a young family at home?

yet you write...

In my opinion, Brian Wilson can do and say anything, and largely NOT be held accountable for it, because he is mentally ill.

Oh, so he can do anything he wants to do because he's mentally ill, but he can't refuse to tour? Which is it, Sheriff?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 05, 2016, 02:46:11 PM
Right rab, sounds like sheriff has nostalgia for the mentally ill BW forced on stage during the 1970s. Is Mike forced to stay away from his family to your ever bowling alley and low rent venue around?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 02:46:29 PM
A question for you, rab2591. What does Brian Wilson have in common with that cheerleader on stage with an instrument she doesn't know what to do with?

Yes, because that cheerleader has the same ability to play guitar as Brian does to play piano? If you want to be taken seriously, try a better analogy.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 05, 2016, 03:00:04 PM
Random venting here.  Probably shouldn't say it, but here it goes.  I'm a glutton for punishment.  

Why is it when Mike and Bruce's band do the early 60s stuff, they're "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."?

But, when Brian's band does these songs, it's "well, they're HIS songs."  Also, Brian is touring on his 1966 classic album Pet Sounds for the third time, yet that's not "living in the past" or "coasting on nostalgia."  

Oh, mini rant over.  I'll sit back and awaiting my beating.  

I can't speak for everyone, but for me this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5AhcMhze1Q&feature=youtu.be&t=36) is why I label them as living in the past.

I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

I might agree with that except, when was the last time a Beach Boys concert featured actual cheerleaders on stage?  The presentation is much more respectful nowadays.

It seems that they are still using the cheerleader shtick in video (https://youtu.be/zGWrCp8Aplk?t=123) form. In which case my point still stands. It is very much a nostalgia trip for the touring band. Whereas Brian's band doesn't seem to need surf boards and palm trees placed on the stage because the show is less about nostalgia and more centered around the beauty of the music itself.
Oh, I'm sorry I watched that. Disappointing.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 05, 2016, 03:01:52 PM
The full-time cheerleaders on tour ended a long time ago. Were they even still in the show regularly when Carl and Al did their last touring in 1997?

I do believe they still have cheerleaders out on occasion for "Be True..", from local areas.

It's funny, though. People have mentioned the cheerleaders from the past and Totten's "guitar" thing with ladies on stage as two examples of tackiness, and I found a pic (dated March 23, 2013) that combines both!

(http://archive.11alive.com/images/640/360/2/assetpool/photogallery/285053/164502666_10.jpg)


I'm sorry I saw that. Disappointing.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 05, 2016, 03:03:50 PM
Exactly.....


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 05, 2016, 03:11:25 PM
I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

A nostalgia trip? That would be milking an album - again - that is a half century old. A nostalgia trip? That would be asking ex-Beach Boy Al Jardine to join in the nostalgia trip, not to sing the handful of tracks he sang on a recent album, but to cover a few surf & turf classics! A nostalgia trip? How about asking another ex-Beach Boy, Brian's good friend What's His Name, to sing a couple songs from another 42 year-old Beach Boys' album.

And, speaking of recent albums...Brian's been a solo performer a lot longer than he's been a Beach Boy, almost thirty years now. Yet he almost completely ignores his solo material. Maybe he doesn't like his solo songs. Or, maybe he doesn't know his solo songs; most people don't.

A question for you, rab2591. What does Brian Wilson have in common with that cheerleader on stage with an instrument she doesn't know what to do with?

And, speaking of cheerleaders and plants and trees on stage. Hey, that's just old Mike Love trying to give the audience a little added touch. Now Brian, well, he has to watch his bottom line. I mean, it's not enough he gets paid for Beach Boys' shows, he has an 80 gig tour of his own! Talk about the goose who laid the golden egg... Now, rab2591, do you think 74 year-old Brian really - REALLY! - wants to be playing 80 gig tours with his mental health issues, his penchant for stage fright, his aching back, and a young family at home? But, I'm glad he's making people happy; I know that is important to him.

And then there's this talk about Mike copying Brian's shows and "upping his game". Don't forget that Mike & Bruce were playing "Wild Honey" live a few years ago before old Blondie Chaplin returned with his guest appearances. Roll over John Cowsill!!!!!

Brian certainly seemed to be enjoying himself last weekend when I saw them perform.
So, what does Brian have in common with that cheerleader Sheriff John Stone?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 03:16:54 PM
Quote
Now, rab2591, do you think 74 year-old Brian really - REALLY! - wants to be playing 80 gig tours with his mental health issues, his penchant for stage fright, his aching back, and a young family at home?

Unless something changed extremely recently, the answer is yes. And as for the rest of it...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.  He'd certainly disagree with that sentiment, as would anybody who actually is around.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 05, 2016, 03:22:57 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 05, 2016, 03:25:00 PM
Right... Don't backtrack or slither away from trashing BW as usual. ::)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 03:30:26 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

To be fair, while none of us knows the entirety of what each other thinks about anything to do with the BBs, if you post long writings including numerous characterizations and opinions and observations (and so on) about Brian, which you most certainly have, then it doesn't stand to reason that therefore everyone reading these comments has "no idea" what you think about Brian.

Your posts (as do most of everyone's posts about Brian) provide a pretty good insight into what you think about Brian. Not the entirety, but a pretty good insight.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Alan Smith on May 05, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Brian is doing what he wants....
So are M&B. What's the problem?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 05, 2016, 03:37:12 PM
Brian is doing what he wants....
So are M&B. What's the problem?

I think the difference is that nobody is contending that Mike is being made to do things (e.g. tour) that he doesn't want to.

Nobody has ever criticized Mike because he isn't doing exactly what he wants to do. Ironically, the criticisms often involve the exact opposite, that he most certainly is doing *precisely* what he wants.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 03:40:27 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

All anybody can go by is what you've posted here, so if you meant anything different, we would ike to hear it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 03:41:15 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

To be fair, while none of us knows the entirety of what each other thinks about anything to do with the BBs, if you post long writings including numerous characterizations and opinions and observations (and so on) about Brian, which you most certainly have, then it doesn't stand to reason that therefore everyone reading these comments has "no idea" what you think about Brian.

Your posts (as do most of everyone's posts about Brian) provide a pretty good insight into what you think about Brian. Not the entirety, but a pretty good insight.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 05, 2016, 03:44:12 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

All anybody can go by is what you've posted here, so if you meant anything different, we would ike to hear it.

Where or when have I posted that Brian is incapable of doing anything himself?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 03:45:50 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

Gee. So saying that Brian is coached for interviews (what Billy said at the time, basically calling Brian Wilson a puppet), that he didn't write the excerpt to his book (of which you have no idea what parts of the book Brian has written). That he can say or do anything he wants because he is mentally ill. Yeah, we have no idea what you think about Brian Wilson.

Funny that you get pissed off at someone for making an obvious assumption about your opinion on Brian right after you base a ridiculous opinion about Brian on an assumption.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 05, 2016, 04:01:53 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

Gee. So saying that Brian is coached for interviews (what Billy said at the time, basically calling Brian Wilson a puppet), that he didn't write the excerpt to his book (of which you have no idea what parts of the book Brian has written). That he can say or do anything he wants because he is mentally ill. Yeah, we have no idea what you think about Brian Wilson.

Funny that you get pissed off at someone for making an obvious assumption about your opinion on Brian right after you base a ridiculous opinion about Brian on an assumption.

Gotta love the selective outrage.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 04:58:18 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

All anybody can go by is what you've posted here, so if you meant anything different, we would ike to hear it.

Where or when have I posted that Brian is incapable of doing anything himself?

A better question would be , 'when haven't you'? I mean, my God, you think he doesn't even know his own solo songs.  You can never resist getting some kind of dig (passive aggressive or otherwise) against Brian. I mean, I get it...Mike's your favorite Beach Boy.  No problem there.  Doesn't mean you have to attempt to tear down Brian to prop your guy up. What really gets me though is for all the complaining some people do about OSD and Smile Brian when they go off on Mike (and when it gets to the band members, I do think that is crossing a line), you're doing the same thing with Brian, and this shtick is just as old.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 05, 2016, 05:49:10 PM
The last three pages have been brutally off topic. Are there any moderators on this board?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 05:50:07 PM
Uh yes, I am one.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 05, 2016, 06:05:35 PM
Uh yes, I am one.

So, you feel the last three pages have discussed the M&B Tour 2016 and hasn't been an embarrassing pissing match?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 06:07:59 PM
Uh yes, I am one.

So, you feel the last three pages have discussed the M&B Tour 2016 and hasn't been an embarrassing pissing match?

Holy crap. Someone who very much likes the Mike and Bruce 2016 tour asked a question about the nostalgic songs performed at Mike and Bruce concerts...the subsequent conversation was primarily about the Mike and Bruce tour. It only became brutally off topic when Sheriff John Stone had yet another temper tantrum about Brian Wilson.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 05, 2016, 06:10:57 PM
I think Brian's band highly respects the spiritual beauty of the music, which is probably why they don't let a cheerleader onto the stage to dance and play an instrument she doesn't know how to play. Yes, it's merely 'Barbara Ann' and they're having 'fun', but it's a cheesy nostalgia trip, plain and simple. The songs Brian and his band plays are nostalgic, but they seem to treat those songs like the art they are. 'Little Deuce Coupe' could be considered just another 60s car song...But Frank Zappa saw further into it and was enamored by the chord progression/structure in that song. Similarly, Brian-centric fans seem to be more engaged with the spiritual and artistic foundation of The Beach Boys' songs...which is why we are a bit more critical when we see cheerleaders flood the front of the crowd during a 'Beach Boys' concert.

A nostalgia trip? That would be milking an album - again - that is a half century old. A nostalgia trip? That would be asking ex-Beach Boy Al Jardine to join in the nostalgia trip, not to sing the handful of tracks he sang on a recent album, but to cover a few surf & turf classics! A nostalgia trip? How about asking another ex-Beach Boy, Brian's good friend What's His Name, to sing a couple songs from another 42 year-old Beach Boys' album.

And, speaking of recent albums...Brian's been a solo performer a lot longer than he's been a Beach Boy, almost thirty years now. Yet he almost completely ignores his solo material. Maybe he doesn't like his solo songs. Or, maybe he doesn't know his solo songs; most people don't.

A question for you, rab2591. What does Brian Wilson have in common with that cheerleader on stage with an instrument she doesn't know what to do with?

And, speaking of cheerleaders and plants and trees on stage. Hey, that's just old Mike Love trying to give the audience a little added touch. Now Brian, well, he has to watch his bottom line. I mean, it's not enough he gets paid for Beach Boys' shows, he has an 80 gig tour of his own! Talk about the goose who laid the golden egg... Now, rab2591, do you think 74 year-old Brian really - REALLY! - wants to be playing 80 gig tours with his mental health issues, his penchant for stage fright, his aching back, and a young family at home? But, I'm glad he's making people happy; I know that is important to him.

And then there's this talk about Mike copying Brian's shows and "upping his game". Don't forget that Mike & Bruce were playing "Wild Honey" live a few years ago before old Blondie Chaplin returned with his guest appearances. Roll over John Cowsill!!!!!


Yeah, that's just old myKe luHv trying to give the audience a little added touch, huh? You mean like the turbans, the gold sequined jacket, the skinned tight, revealing leotards, the jewelry, and the the huge feather in the hat? Sorry, but The Royal King of All Tackiness isn't at all entertaining or necessary except to bring unwarranted attention to himself.  ::)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
Uh yes, I am one.

So, you feel the last three pages have discussed the M&B Tour 2016 and hasn't been an embarrassing pissing match?

Holy crap. Someone who very much likes the Mike and Bruce 2016 tour asked a question about the nostalgic songs performed at Mike and Bruce concerts...the subsequent conversation was primarily about the Mike and Bruce tour. It only became brutally off topic when Sheriff John Stone had yet another temper tantrum about Brian Wilson.

That is correct, and to answer the question, yes it is being looked at. That started  when I responded to it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 05, 2016, 06:19:57 PM
Uh yes, I am one.

So, you feel the last three pages have discussed the M&B Tour 2016 and hasn't been an embarrassing pissing match?

Holy crap. Someone who very much likes the Mike and Bruce 2016 tour asked a question about the nostalgic songs performed at Mike and Bruce concerts...the subsequent conversation was primarily about the Mike and Bruce tour. It only became brutally off topic when Sheriff John Stone had yet another temper tantrum about Brian Wilson.

That is correct, and to answer the question, yes it is being looked at. That started  when I responded to it.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 05, 2016, 06:23:36 PM
It's amazing how a man nicknamed Mr. Positivity can inspire so much negativity just by mentioning his name.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 05, 2016, 06:44:58 PM
...you seem to think Brian is incapable of doing anything himself.

And I'd say that's putting words in my mouth that are untrue. You have no idea what I think about Brian Wilson.

All anybody can go by is what you've posted here, so if you meant anything different, we would ike to hear it.

Where or when have I posted that Brian is incapable of doing anything himself?

A better question would be , 'when haven't you'? I mean, my God, you think he doesn't even know his own solo songs.  You can never resist getting some kind of dig (passive aggressive or otherwise) against Brian. I mean, I get it...Mike's your favorite Beach Boy.  No problem there.  Doesn't mean you have to attempt to tear down Brian to prop your guy up. What really gets me though is for all the complaining some people do about OSD and Smile Brian when they go off on Mike (and when it gets to the band members, I do think that is crossing a line), you're doing the same thing with Brian, and this shtick is just as old.

Again, almost everything you posted ^ is incorrect. You did say something correct which I will address.

First, if you can't believe what I am about to post, then I suggest you move on to another thread now, because you're not going to "get it". Honestly, I was hoping you and the other moderators would "get it" by now and make changes. I'm fast giving up hope.

Mike Love is not my "favorite" Beach Boy. I don't even like Mike Love. I don't have a "favorite" Beach Boy. My fanboy days are long gone. I've spent too long, decades actually, living and dying by the actions of the Beach Boys. Due to things said and done by the individual Beach Boys themselves, in addition to experiencing things, important things, in my own life, I don't spend much time thinking about or advocating for...Beach Boys. I certainly wish them good health and happiness, they certainly provided and continue to provide happiness to me. But, again, I don't worry too much anymore about 70 year-old multi-millionaire rock stars. I have my own life to worry about.

But, for some strange reason, this board is, and fast approaching WAS, important to me. It also has provided me with much happiness. But, things changed over the last few years. A lot of good posters left, for a variety of reasons, and it's not necessary in this post to discuss why. However, more concerning are the posters who have come along. There are several relatively new posters who came on this board who think it is OK, necessary, fun, fulfilling, vengeful, whatever, to vilify, hate, make fun of Mike Love. And, forget Mike Love. I don't care about Mike Love. It's a Beach Boy and his band who are the targets. And, it's not just Mike's voice or music that gets attacked, it's EVERYTHING about him - his physical appearance, his relationship with his family members, his spiritual pursuits, his band, well, just about EVERYTHING is fair game when it comes to Mike Love.

There have been numerous posts and threads from posters who object to this hate and ridicule of a Beach Boy. Yes, Mike Love can act like an asshole, but he's our asshole. Why can't "it" just be accepted and move on. But, no, thread after thread is either started or turns into a Mike Love bash fest. And, frankly, it's sickening and causing posters, good knowledgeable posters to just shake their head in disgust. I have to think many of them get so turned off that they just leave. And, I hate to see that happening.

I have read many posters try to change this hate, personal attacks, name-calling, etc. on Mike Love through multiple posts and threads. Posters have implored the moderators to, well, moderate. I'm not talking about banning, but instead deleted posts, deleted comments, and deleted or locked threads. This subject came up months ago in a rather long and heated thread/debate, and the moderators response was - oh, well, just ignore it.

I don't think that is a satisfactory response or solution to the problem. It has to come from the posters spreading the hate and attacking of a Beach Boy and his band. I tried calling out various posters and moderators with little success. Actually, instead of moderators considering my suggestions, I was attacked and told that if I don't like it, blah, blah, blah. Very disappointing but not unexpected.

So, I then tried, and am still trying to make the posters and moderators see the hypocrisy that is going on. If somebody attacks Mike Love, post after post, thread after thread, oh, it's OK. He deserves it. Let's see how many ways -subtle or obvious - we can insert the knife, and then let the others come on to twist it. Fun isn't it? Not really. And if somebody objects to, well, hey, take the moderators' advice...just ignore it. But...but...but...if God forbid, somebody says something derogatory about Brian Wilson or his physical appearance or his mental illness or his family, well, we can't have that. And, you know what? We shouldn't have that. But it goes both ways. If it's NOT OK to be critical of Brian Wilson for a variety of reasons, and there's certainly a lot of material there, then why is it OK to take continuous shots at Mike Love. Because one DESERVES hate and the other one doesn't? That seems to be the prevailing attitude on this board.

So, sports fans, I can only repeat yet again that I don't like Mike Love and dislike Brian Wilson. I don't dislike anybody. Occasionally they will say or do something that pisses me off, but not enough to HATE them. Seriously, when it comes to this crap, I'm becoming comfortably numb. It isn't easy for me to make the comments I've been making about Brian. I've spent more time thinking and caring about Brian Wilson than many of my friends and family members. I sincerely hoped that people would see the hypocrisy, that it's not OK to say certain things about somebody, in this case a Beach Boy, but then in turn show outrage (in this case at me) for saying the same things about another Beach Boys.

By now people either checked out minutes ago or think I still support Mike Love, or could care less either way. I did it, or am doing it to promote change, change for the board. Selfishly, I'd like to stop having to try to make people see the double standard that is prevalent. I don't like these posts I feel that I have to make. I hope that people can see what's happening to this board and change THEIR ways, their attitude about attacking a Beach Boy. To quote old Murry, this attitude has caused the board to go downhill! Downhill! Obviously the "ignoring" suggestion isn't working, nor is what I am trying to do. But, I tried. I tried.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 05, 2016, 06:48:19 PM
It's amazing how a man nicknamed Mr. Positivity can inspire so much negativity just by mentioning his name.

It's not negativity at all. He coined that name and he turned out to be one bitter, unappreciative codger who will never wrap his hands around how stinking lucky he really was in life.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 07:18:02 PM
Sheriff, if I'm reading your post correctly, you're saying that all of your posts dripping with passive aggressive vitriol about Brian are done to show people a double standard? So you come to the most popular Beach Boys forum and make troll posts about Brian just to prove a point about Mike?

For months you mocked No Pier Pressure.
I've read your negative outlooks on BWPS that you've shared ad nauseam on this board for years.
You claim Brian is coached for interviews.
You claim that Brian didn't write the recent excerpt for his book (he may not have, but you don't at all know that).
You talk about his mental illness like it's nothing.
So much in your post history is negativity toward Melinda and Brian.

Yet you supposedly love Brian and care about him? You hope others can change their ways about attacking a Beach Boy!?

If you see Mike being treated unfairly, then make rational arguments to shut people up! My mind has been changed in the past about Mike because people did the adult thing and took the time to explain their side. Hell, Mike did an interview last year that helped me understand him a bit better - because he took the time to open up and explain himself. I don't understand how continuously berating Brian and his career is any way teaching people a lesson about how to treat Mike. If anything your posts have helped fuel the fire that has consumed this place in the last few years.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on May 05, 2016, 07:26:44 PM
If you look back to about 2000 and look at the setlist Mike was playing....it looked like a classic Mike setlist.  What he was stereotypically associated with. That started to change over time especially when Scott took over. What exactly made Mike change I have always wondered? I can't imagine Mike circa 1999 ever fathoming performing Til I Die. Any thoughts?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on May 05, 2016, 07:41:27 PM
Sheriff, if I'm reading your post correctly, you're saying that all of your posts dripping with passive aggressive vitriol about Brian are done to show people a double standard? So you come to the most popular Beach Boys forum and make troll posts about Brian just to prove a point about Mike?

For months you mocked No Pier Pressure.
I've read your negative outlooks on BWPS that you've shared ad nauseam on this board for years.
You claim Brian is coached for interviews.
You claim that Brian didn't write the recent excerpt for his book (he may not have, but you don't at all know that).
You talk about his mental illness like it's nothing.
So much in your post history is negativity toward Melinda and Brian.

Yet you supposedly love Brian and care about him? You hope others can change their ways about attacking a Beach Boy!?

If you see Mike being treated unfairly, then make rational arguments to shut people up! My mind has been changed in the past about Mike because people did the adult thing and took the time to explain their side. Hell, Mike did an interview last year that helped me understand him a bit better - because he took the time to open up and explain himself. I don't understand how continuously berating Brian and his career is any way teaching people a lesson about how to treat Mike. If anything your posts have helped fuel the fire that has consumed this place in the last few years.

I was going to post a long response, but you touched on pretty much every post I was going to make.

I will add the following...

The things about BWPS and NPP are just opinions, and I cannot knock somebody for them (even though I disagree).  The rest, I agree with completely.  And for the record, I happen to be respect Mike artistically, and  yes the constant personal bashing of Mike does get old, and yes, I have spoken to that previously, when it's gone from justified criticism to attacking just for the sake of doing so. So why attack Brian in order to prove that point?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 05, 2016, 07:45:12 PM
If you look back to about 2000 and look at the setlist Mike was playing....it looked like a classic Mike setlist.  What he was stereotypically associated with. That started to change over time especially when Scott took over. What exactly made Mike change I have always wondered? I can't imagine Mike circa 1999 ever fathoming performing Til I Die. Any thoughts?

I think the evolution of Brian's band, and the subsequent accolades that Brian received probably gave Mike a kick in the pants to try and up his own game. As I see it, it seems to be largely out of a competitive streak with (or shall I unfortunately say, against) Brian. Like, if Brian had not decided to become a touring artist in 1999, and it was just M&B out there playing BB songs, perhaps they'd have upped their game over the years, but I'm not sure M&B would have come as far as they have now.

In general, I'm all for competition if it means that better art results (ie. Rubber Soul leading to Pet Sounds, etc)... except that these guys are supposed to be on the same "team". I cannot help but think that Mike truly doesn't like to see Brian get accolades upon accolades, awards after awards - that it actually deeply bugs him, because he personally hasn't seen that kind of public affection directed solely at himself in anywhere near the same manner. I can understand that, it's a human thing to feel that way, but Mike's shows adding deeper cuts and improving from their earlier ones does feel just a little too convenient.

For me, personally, it's easier to appreciate someone's art if it doesn't feel like it's coming from a vengeful or jealous place. Hence, for example, some films by M. Night Shyamalan (the critic character in Lady in the Water), and some later songs by Smashing Pumpkins (lyrics like "you know I'm not dead" and "If I were dead, would my records sell") seem to come from an "I'll show you" type of place in the artist's heart. Or at least that's how it feels to me... and it diminishes the end product in my eyes. This is not something I feel is exclusive to Mike. I'm trying to point out that streak that I see in a number of artists across different media.  If another BB member repeatedly did that kind of thing too, I'd point it out as well because it would bug me just as much.

I'm sure lots of art is motivated by jealousy or revenge to some degree... but it's best when that aspect of things is hidden from the public; the seams tend to show way more with Mike, largely because he seemingly compulsively can't stop passive-aggressively berating Brian in interviews, right around the time he starts upping his game in his live set.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 05, 2016, 08:16:53 PM
That started to change over time especially when Scott took over.

I bet this is more it than anything speculated so far.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Douchepool on May 05, 2016, 08:17:37 PM
Scott Totten taking over the reins of the Mike and Bruce show in 2008 was to the band's benefit; he was able to build upon the progression that Chris Farmer oversaw as band leader and the band ended up being better for it. Getting rid of Mike Kowalski was a WELCOME change from where I sit. They went from being dire (1998-2003) to serious competition (2004-08) to very close to Brian's group (2009-now). (I think) Scott said himself that Mike picks the songs for the gigs.

I don't doubt for one minute that Brian inspired Mike and Bruce (and by proxy, Scott as band leader) to greater heights as a touring band. They should keep racing up that ladder. Both bands put on excellent shows for their respective markets.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 05, 2016, 08:18:31 PM



...yes the constant personal bashing of Mike does get old, and yes, I have spoken to that previously, when it's gone from justified criticism to attacking just for the sake of doing so. So why attack Brian in order to prove that point?

Well, Billy I did my best at trying to explain it above, and obviously I didn't succeed. I hoped you would understand, and I will try my best to not repeat everything again.

I tried to prompt change because I didn't feel the moderators were doing anything to solve the problem, and I think it's a huge problem. I guess I put too much faith in the posters. I hoped they would realize how they feel when Brian is criticized and realize how others feel when other Beach boys are criticized, and stop doing it. But, I guess I was wrong. I now realize that too many posters on the Smiley Smile actually enjoy criticizing everything about Mike Love. And, sadly, they know they can get away with it.

I have a serious question for you, Billy. If somebody took SmileBrian and OSD's posts, and re-posted them word for word, but substituted Brian's name for Mike's, would it be tolerated by the moderators? You'll probably ask why anybody would want to do that? To prove a point maybe?

You are quick to criticize me and my posts, calling it/them "shtick" and calling it "old". Is it older than the Mike Love bashing, or is it a response to the Mike Love bashing? You obviously don't agree with what I'm doing...are you happy with the way the board's going? Other than ignoring "attacking for the sake of attacking", do you have any others suggestions to solve the problem?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 05, 2016, 08:19:35 PM
Hi Sheriff John Stone,
The perspective you explain in your above post is one I can understand, though I don't fully agree. I think that it's a false equivalency between Brian Wilson and Mike Love. But I agree that the constant extensive discussions of the flaws of Mike Love can be boring, at the least.
The thing is that, if you're trying to, sarcastically, make a point about Mike Love bashing by Brian Wilson bashing, it's really hard for people to understand that's what you're doing because the equivalency is so off. It's just not analogous.
If what you really want is for people to tone down or lessen the Mike Love bashing, then it may be more effective to just ask. That may not be effective, but it would have a better chance than just baffling everyone.
Anyway, I'm pleased to understand you better.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on May 05, 2016, 08:37:19 PM
Hi Sheriff John Stone,
The perspective you explain in your above post is one I can understand, though I don't fully agree. I think that it's a false equivalency between Brian Wilson and Mike Love. But I agree that the constant extensive discussions of the flaws of Mike Love can be boring, at the least.
The thing is that, if you're trying to, sarcastically, make a point about Mike Love bashing by Brian Wilson bashing, it's really hard for people to understand that's what you're doing because the equivalency is so off. It's just not analogous.
If what you really want is for people to tone down or lessen the Mike Love bashing, then it may be more effective to just ask. That may not be effective, but it would have a better chance than just baffling everyone.
Anyway, I'm pleased to understand you better.


I admit it's flawed and far from perfect, but it's the best I could come up with. For several YEARS now I and several others have been calling for an end to the, in your correct words, "constant extensive discussions of the flaws of Mike Love". As you can see, these attempts have fallen on deaf ears. You know how it works in most cases. First you ask, then you yell, then you're sarcastic (?), and then you have to go for something that makes others "feel". I tried 'em all.

I don't know if you're aware of this but Scott Totten and I believe John Cowsill even came on the board and expressed dismay at some of the Mike bashing. Didn't matter. But, you're right, as musicians, as songwriters, even as Beach Boys, Mike and Brian are not "equivalent". But, again, when it comes to discussion of "flaws", and bashing and personal attacks, wouldn't it be better to view them both as human beings. Flawed, yes, but still real people. And, THAT makes them equal.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 08:43:40 PM



...yes the constant personal bashing of Mike does get old, and yes, I have spoken to that previously, when it's gone from justified criticism to attacking just for the sake of doing so. So why attack Brian in order to prove that point?

Well, Billy I did my best at trying to explain it above, and obviously I didn't succeed. I hoped you would understand, and I will try my best to not repeat everything again.

I tried to prompt change because I didn't feel the moderators were doing anything to solve the problem, and I think it's a huge problem. I guess I put too much faith in the posters. I hoped they would realize how they feel when Brian is criticized and realize how others feel when other Beach boys are criticized, and stop doing it. But, I guess I was wrong. I now realize that too many posters on the Smiley Smile actually enjoy criticizing everything about Mike Love. And, sadly, they know they can get away with it.

I have a serious question for you, Billy. If somebody took SmileBrian and OSD's posts, and re-posted them word for word, but substituted Brian's name for Mike's, would it be tolerated by the moderators? You'll probably ask why anybody would want to do that? To prove a point maybe?

You are quick to criticize me and my posts, calling it/them "shtick" and calling it "old". Is it older than the Mike Love bashing, or is it a response to the Mike Love bashing? You obviously don't agree with what I'm doing...are you happy with the way the board's going? Other than ignoring "attacking for the sake of attacking", do you have any others suggestions to solve the problem?

For YEARS we have read your drivel about Brian. All of a sudden you come out and say it's all an act? Are you flipping kidding me? Read your post history man, there is what obviously appears to be a deep irritation for those around Brian, for his solo career (hell, look at what you just wrote about Brian's solo career a page or so back). Here's what I'd love to know: if you care so much about Brian, would you want him reading your post history? HELL NO. If I spent a day picking out negative comments about Brian from your post history I'd probably have a document longer than War and Peace. Do you think Brian would understand your above explanation for years of negativity aimed at him and his wife? HELL NO. It's beyond irrational.

Mike comments on Brian's weight. Mike comments on Brian's prescription drug regimen. Mike comments on Brian's past drug use. Mike claims Brian is controlled. Mike made a dig at Brian's solo single (a song he didn't even take the time to listen to). Mike recently made a negative comment about Brian's current singing voice. All of this in the last few years, and all for MILLIONS and potentially BILLIONS to see.

Brian on the other hand has only had nice things to say about Mike to the media.

A five year old could figure out why there is a lot of animosity toward Mike and not Brian. Yet we're the bad guys for defending Brian? We're the bad guys for pointing out these tactless comments? You're trying to save the board by pointlessly berating Brian, those around him, and his own music career? I don't buy it for a second. And if it is true, I suggest growing up and realizing that stooping to posting in a way you supposedly resent isn't the way to solve problems around here.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 05, 2016, 08:59:11 PM



...yes the constant personal bashing of Mike does get old, and yes, I have spoken to that previously, when it's gone from justified criticism to attacking just for the sake of doing so. So why attack Brian in order to prove that point?

Well, Billy I did my best at trying to explain it above, and obviously I didn't succeed. I hoped you would understand, and I will try my best to not repeat everything again.

I tried to prompt change because I didn't feel the moderators were doing anything to solve the problem, and I think it's a huge problem. I guess I put too much faith in the posters. I hoped they would realize how they feel when Brian is criticized and realize how others feel when other Beach boys are criticized, and stop doing it. But, I guess I was wrong. I now realize that too many posters on the Smiley Smile actually enjoy criticizing everything about Mike Love. And, sadly, they know they can get away with it.

I have a serious question for you, Billy. If somebody took SmileBrian and OSD's posts, and re-posted them word for word, but substituted Brian's name for Mike's, would it be tolerated by the moderators? You'll probably ask why anybody would want to do that? To prove a point maybe?

You are quick to criticize me and my posts, calling it/them "shtick" and calling it "old". Is it older than the Mike Love bashing, or is it a response to the Mike Love bashing? You obviously don't agree with what I'm doing...are you happy with the way the board's going? Other than ignoring "attacking for the sake of attacking", do you have any others suggestions to solve the problem?

For YEARS we have read your drivel about Brian. All of a sudden you come out and say it's all an act? Are you flipping kidding me? Read your post history man, there is what obviously appears to be a deep irritation for those around Brian, for his solo career (hell, look at what you just wrote about Brian's solo career a page or so back). Here's what I'd love to know: if you care so much about Brian, would you want him reading your post history? HELL NO. If I spent a day picking out negative comments about Brian from your post history I'd probably have a document longer than War and Peace. Do you think Brian would understand your above explanation for years of negativity aimed at him and his wife? HELL NO. It's beyond irrational.

Mike comments on Brian's weight. Mike comments on Brian's prescription drug regimen. Mike comments on Brian's past drug use. Mike claims Brian is controlled. Mike made a dig at Brian's solo single (a song he didn't even take the time to listen to). Mike recently made a negative comment about Brian's current singing voice. All of this in the last few years, and all for MILLIONS and potentially BILLIONS to see.

Brian on the other hand has only had nice things to say about Mike to the media.

A five year old could figure out why there is a lot of animosity toward Mike and not Brian. Yet we're the bad guys for defending Brian? We're the bad guys for pointing out these tactless comments? You're trying to save the board by pointlessly berating Brian, those around him, and his own music career? I don't buy it for a second. And if it is true, I suggest growing up and realizing that stooping to posting in a way you supposedly resent isn't the way to solve problems around here.

Mike, unfortunately, is in a class by himself when it comes to putting his foot in his mouth, and repeatedly berating his cousin, who just happens to be the person who arguably has the most sympathetic comeback kid story in pop music history. There's a *reason* why fans talk about actions of Mike's that bug them in a way that they don't talk about actions by other members of this band ... because nobody in this band consistently acts like Mike. When Dennis acted badly, and he certainly did, the flipside was that Dennis also did and said many, many truly selfless things that helped to counteract how people might feel about him as a person.

Mike's reputation, and the things people say about him, didn't come out of nowhere. The only solution that SJS suggests is that everyone who has issue with Mike should just be muzzled. Or partially muzzled, or that SJS or others should decide on the barometer of which people must stop talking about the negative actions of Mike, which ironically and unfortunately, Mike continues to add to through the years. I can understand wanting to muzzle people who are simple anti-Mike trolls, as I detest extremism... but getting super-defensive about rational discussion is pointless. People who feel like their words are attempted to be muzzled are just going to be motivated to speak more.

I'm very happy to give praise where I feel praise is due, and I praise and go out of my way to point out Mike's positive contributions to people in my own personal life, time and time again. I did it just this past weekend. Because I feel it's the right thing to do, and I don't like to see Mike thought of by others as a worthless piece of sh*t, because I don't think that of him. The flipside is that when he does stuff that I believe is truly, TRULY, deeply, profoundly not cool, time and time again, it's hard to just shut up about it if you are a fan and want to talk about what's on your mind in relation to the band, as all of us nerds on this board do.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 05, 2016, 09:21:40 PM



...yes the constant personal bashing of Mike does get old, and yes, I have spoken to that previously, when it's gone from justified criticism to attacking just for the sake of doing so. So why attack Brian in order to prove that point?

Well, Billy I did my best at trying to explain it above, and obviously I didn't succeed. I hoped you would understand, and I will try my best to not repeat everything again.

I tried to prompt change because I didn't feel the moderators were doing anything to solve the problem, and I think it's a huge problem. I guess I put too much faith in the posters. I hoped they would realize how they feel when Brian is criticized and realize how others feel when other Beach boys are criticized, and stop doing it. But, I guess I was wrong. I now realize that too many posters on the Smiley Smile actually enjoy criticizing everything about Mike Love. And, sadly, they know they can get away with it.

I have a serious question for you, Billy. If somebody took SmileBrian and OSD's posts, and re-posted them word for word, but substituted Brian's name for Mike's, would it be tolerated by the moderators? You'll probably ask why anybody would want to do that? To prove a point maybe?

You are quick to criticize me and my posts, calling it/them "shtick" and calling it "old". Is it older than the Mike Love bashing, or is it a response to the Mike Love bashing? You obviously don't agree with what I'm doing...are you happy with the way the board's going? Other than ignoring "attacking for the sake of attacking", do you have any others suggestions to solve the problem?

For YEARS we have read your drivel about Brian. All of a sudden you come out and say it's all an act? Are you flipping kidding me? Read your post history man, there is what obviously appears to be a deep irritation for those around Brian, for his solo career (hell, look at what you just wrote about Brian's solo career a page or so back). Here's what I'd love to know: if you care so much about Brian, would you want him reading your post history? HELL NO. If I spent a day picking out negative comments about Brian from your post history I'd probably have a document longer than War and Peace. Do you think Brian would understand your above explanation for years of negativity aimed at him and his wife? HELL NO. It's beyond irrational.

Mike comments on Brian's weight. Mike comments on Brian's prescription drug regimen. Mike comments on Brian's past drug use. Mike claims Brian is controlled. Mike made a dig at Brian's solo single (a song he didn't even take the time to listen to). Mike recently made a negative comment about Brian's current singing voice. All of this in the last few years, and all for MILLIONS and potentially BILLIONS to see.

Brian on the other hand has only had nice things to say about Mike to the media.

A five year old could figure out why there is a lot of animosity toward Mike and not Brian. Yet we're the bad guys for defending Brian? We're the bad guys for pointing out these tactless comments? You're trying to save the board by pointlessly berating Brian, those around him, and his own music career? I don't buy it for a second. And if it is true, I suggest growing up and realizing that stooping to posting in a way you supposedly resent isn't the way to solve problems around here.

Mike, unfortunately, is in a class by himself when it comes to putting his foot in his mouth, and repeatedly berating his cousin, who just happens to be the person who arguably has the most sympathetic comeback kid story in pop music history. There's a *reason* why fans talk about actions of Mike's that bug them in a way that they don't talk about actions by other members of this... because nobody in this band consistently acts like Mike. When Dennis acted badly, and he certainly did, the flipside was that Dennis also did and said many, many truly selfless things that helped to counteract how people might feel about him as a person.

Mike's reputation, and the things people say about him, didn't come out of nowhere. The only solution that SJS suggests is that everyone who has issue with Mike should just be muzzled. Or partially muzzled, or that SJS or others should decide on the barometer of which people must stop talking about the negative actions of Mike, which ironically and unfortunately, Mike continues to add to through the years. I can understand wanting to muzzle people who are simple anti-Mike trolls, as I detest extremism... but getting super-defensive about rational discussion is pointless. People who feel like their words are attempted to be muzzled are just going to be motivated to speak more.

I'm very happy to give praise where I feel praise is due, and I praise and go out of my way to point out Mike's positive contributions to people in my own personal life, time and time again. I did it just this past weekend. Because I feel it's the right thing to do, and I don't like to see Mike thought of by others as a worthless piece of sh*t, because I don't think that of him. The flipside is that when he does stuff that I believe is truly, TRULY, deeply, profoundly not cool, time and time again, it's hard to just shut up about it if you are a fan and want to talk about what's on your mind in relation to the band, as all of us nerds on this board do.

Very well put. And to add to that, I want to stress that when Mike does reach out and explain his story (not Brian's story, not repetitious "drug" talk) you can really understand his actions and where he's coming from. I was really impressed with that interview last year (I can't remember, but I think it was rock cellar magazine); though I still have a dour opinion of the man, I can better understand his side because he opened up about himself and not others.

One thing that I forgot to touch upon in my last post: I love that this all comes back to the moderation here. SJS, you claim you "tried to prompt change because I didn't feel the moderators were doing anything to solve the problem" - yet you have gone off on Brian for years. You have been posting vitriol about the man (a man you supposedly care about more than your own family and friends) ever since I can remember...long long before any hint of complaints were being made about the moderation here. Yet that is your excuse to bash Brian? Literally unbelievable.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Niko on May 05, 2016, 11:05:46 PM
One thing I'm really curious about is these Noven Jaisi videos. Agd swore on his authority that they were entirely fan made - he went as far as to be very mocking about how right he was - and it turns out now that they are official? Doe was also saying he had nothing to do with Mike's book. If think he lied about a lot of stuff...its very curious.

Just look
https://youtu.be/DwacdCTw3ZI


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on May 05, 2016, 11:08:01 PM
Sheriff, if I'm reading your post correctly, you're saying that all of your posts dripping with passive aggressive vitriol about Brian are done to show people a double standard? So you come to the most popular Beach Boys forum and make troll posts about Brian just to prove a point about Mike?

For months you mocked No Pier Pressure.
I've read your negative outlooks on BWPS that you've shared ad nauseam on this board for years.
You claim Brian is coached for interviews.
You claim that Brian didn't write the recent excerpt for his book (he may not have, but you don't at all know that).
You talk about his mental illness like it's nothing.
So much in your post history is negativity toward Melinda and Brian.

Yet you supposedly love Brian and care about him? You hope others can change their ways about attacking a Beach Boy!?

If you see Mike being treated unfairly, then make rational arguments to shut people up! My mind has been changed in the past about Mike because people did the adult thing and took the time to explain their side. Hell, Mike did an interview last year that helped me understand him a bit better - because he took the time to open up and explain himself. I don't understand how continuously berating Brian and his career is any way teaching people a lesson about how to treat Mike. If anything your posts have helped fuel the fire that has consumed this place in the last few years.

I was going to post a long response, but you touched on pretty much every post I was going to make.

I will add the following...

The things about BWPS and NPP are just opinions, and I cannot knock somebody for them (even though I disagree).  The rest, I agree with completely.  And for the record, I happen to be respect Mike artistically, and  yes the constant personal bashing of Mike does get old, and yes, I have spoken to that previously, when it's gone from justified criticism to attacking just for the sake of doing so. So why attack Brian in order to prove that point?

I'd like to third this point. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on May 05, 2016, 11:16:24 PM
Scott Totten taking over the reins of the Mike and Bruce show in 2008 was to the band's benefit; he was able to build upon the progression that Chris Farmer oversaw as band leader and the band ended up being better for it. Getting rid of Mike Kowalski was a WELCOME change from where I sit. They went from being dire (1998-2003) to serious competition (2004-08) to very close to Brian's group (2009-now). (I think) Scott said himself that Mike picks the songs for the gigs.

I don't doubt for one minute that Brian inspired Mike and Bruce (and by proxy, Scott as band leader) to greater heights as a touring band. They should keep racing up that ladder. Both bands put on excellent shows for their respective markets.

I've never seen the Mike and Bruce show, but from reading reviews over the years, I have a similar impression:  they have drastically stepped up their game, and there does seem to be an arms race of sort going on between them and Brian.  The fans benefit.  We essentially have two high-quality touring versions of the BB's. I'd love to have them all together like they were in 2012, but barring that from happening again, BB's fans are really in an excellent situation right now. 

If anybody is wondering why I haven't seen them, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I seriously considered seeing Mike and Bruce recently in Japan, and decided against it only because the ticket prices were expensive, I had already shelled out for Brian's tour, and Mike and Bruce have tended to play shorter and less adventurous sets here in Japan (compare the great HK setlist to the ones in Japan, and you'll see what I mean).  I'll probably go see them anyway in the future, but I'd REALLY be inclined to do so if they would play longer sets here.  The current incarnation of the touring band seems like a great combo, and it's also an interesting contrast with Brian's more orchestral approach.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Debbie KL on May 06, 2016, 03:25:30 AM
One thing I'm really curious about is these Noven Jaisi videos. Agd swore on his authority that they were entirely fan made - he went as far as to be very mocking about how right he was - and it turns out now that they are official? Doe was also saying he had nothing to do with Mike's book. If think he lied about a lot of stuff...its very curious.

Just look
https://youtu.be/DwacdCTw3ZI

Thanks for sharing that video.  Another of those Jaisi videos, always posted to Mike's pages and sites.  In this one we hear the Sir George Martin quote about "this band can do it."  The problem is, he was talking about Brian Wilson's band at the BW Tribute show back in 2001, not the band implied in the video.  Gads, the minute someone dies, they seem to be misquoted or misrepresented.  To those who've been paying attention, it's about as believable as SJS having been doing a loving "put on" all these years attacking Brian.  It would be laughable if it weren't all so convoluted and creepy.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 06, 2016, 03:49:24 AM
I just watched the video. Al, Blondie, Van Dyke Parks. They all speak SO well of Mike. I bet they're delighted to be part of this fan(?!) video advertising the man they love so well and his band.

Excuse me, I need to get a drink of water. I nearly choked on my tongue - it was firmly in cheek as I typed this.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 06, 2016, 03:57:17 AM
Same here Ang, shameless editing..... :P


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 06, 2016, 04:09:15 AM
Same here Ang, shameless editing..... :P

Haven't seen so much irony verging on downright sarcasm since Gene Kelly said 'Dignity. Always dignity' in Singing in the Rain after clips of vaudevillian silly behaviour.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 06, 2016, 04:14:10 AM
One thing I'm really curious about is these Noven Jaisi videos. Agd swore on his authority that they were entirely fan made - he went as far as to be very mocking about how right he was - and it turns out now that they are official? Doe was also saying he had nothing to do with Mike's book. If think he lied about a lot of stuff...its very curious.

Just look
https://youtu.be/DwacdCTw3ZI

Do you know the video being used now in concert is the video discussed in November 2015? Which one of these fan videos is the "official" video being used as an intro at the BBs' concerts? Is it one of those on Noven's Youtube page? Is it on a Facebook page?  Has anyone one seen the video at concert?   



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 05:10:04 AM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

The proof is really in this question I'll pose here:

How many people get emotional, truly shedding a tear or two, being overwhelmed by the sheer emotional force of the music at a Brian Wilson show vs. the same happening at a M&B show? I have gotten choked up more than once at Brian shows. I honestly think that a bunch of cheesy props might get in the way of the emotional synapses firing in the same way if I were to attend a M&B show (which I admittedly haven't attended in a decade +).

I'm not saying that people aren't capable of being touched at M&B shows, but that the atmosphere there with things like props + cheerleaders + Stamos is likely to lend itself to the music being less of an emotional whopper to people in a general, overall sense - relatively speaking.

Speaking for myself, I was almost moved when I saw M&B.  When they were doing The Warmth of the Sun, I felt truly emotional and spiritual.  It was a great moment until........I caught a glimpse of that palm tree on the stage. 

HAPPY FRIDAY

 ;D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 06, 2016, 05:22:02 AM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

The proof is really in this question I'll pose here:

How many people get emotional, truly shedding a tear or two, being overwhelmed by the sheer emotional force of the music at a Brian Wilson show vs. the same happening at a M&B show? I have gotten choked up more than once at Brian shows. I honestly think that a bunch of cheesy props might get in the way of the emotional synapses firing in the same way if I were to attend a M&B show (which I admittedly haven't attended in a decade +).

I'm not saying that people aren't capable of being touched at M&B shows, but that the atmosphere there with things like props + cheerleaders + Stamos is likely to lend itself to the music being less of an emotional whopper to people in a general, overall sense - relatively speaking.

Speaking for myself, I was almost moved when I saw M&B.  When they were doing The Warmth of the Sun, I felt truly emotional and spiritual.  It was a great moment until........I caught a glimpse of that palm tree on the stage. 

HAPPY FRIDAY

 ;D

(spit take)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 06, 2016, 05:40:23 AM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

The proof is really in this question I'll pose here:

How many people get emotional, truly shedding a tear or two, being overwhelmed by the sheer emotional force of the music at a Brian Wilson show vs. the same happening at a M&B show? I have gotten choked up more than once at Brian shows. I honestly think that a bunch of cheesy props might get in the way of the emotional synapses firing in the same way if I were to attend a M&B show (which I admittedly haven't attended in a decade +).

I'm not saying that people aren't capable of being touched at M&B shows, but that the atmosphere there with things like props + cheerleaders + Stamos is likely to lend itself to the music being less of an emotional whopper to people in a general, overall sense - relatively speaking.

Speaking for myself, I was almost moved when I saw M&B.  When they were doing The Warmth of the Sun, I felt truly emotional and spiritual.  It was a great moment until........I caught a glimpse of that palm tree on the stage. 

HAPPY FRIDAY

 ;D

Nice. Is it really difficult to understand that it is my opinion that one band focuses a lot on nostalgia (with the help of video boards that broadcast footage of cheerleaders and surfers, stage props such as palm trees and surf boards, etc) and the other band focuses on a more intimate atmosphere? Some fans like either one, or both.

I never said one couldn't be moved emotionally at a touring show, just that they seem to have a different atmosphere geared more towards fun. Brian shows tend to lean toward the heavier setlists and a more serious atmosphere. Fans of the latter tend to criticize the former for the stage props, cheerleaders, etc because they feel it detracts from the music...which was merely a logical answer to your initial question.

Regardless, happy Friday indeed ;D to all those going to upcoming shows from either band, enjoy!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 05:41:59 AM
I'm sorry, but if palm trees and videos "detract from the artistic foundation of the songs," that just sounds like trying to find something / anything to poke at.  

How many bands do video boards or have props on stage?  Does is really detract from the songs?  

For the touring band, the props and videos work perfectly well for the shows they put on....They create an atmosphere for concert-goers who pay to listen to classic tunes, dance, and have fun...most bands do this. I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that a certain sect of fans find that it pegs the music into one stereotype of fun-in-the-sun...And thus it detracts from the experience that those people want to have.

Brian's band doesn't feel the need to use props or videos much because many of the people who attend their concerts are there for a deeper experience than nostalgia or fun. It is why those at a Brian concert would probably be more inclined to give a standing ovation to 'Surfs Up' than 'Kokomo'. I apologize if my opinion is offending you, I'm really not trying to find things to poke at, I'm just telling it how I see it.

The proof is really in this question I'll pose here:

How many people get emotional, truly shedding a tear or two, being overwhelmed by the sheer emotional force of the music at a Brian Wilson show vs. the same happening at a M&B show? I have gotten choked up more than once at Brian shows. I honestly think that a bunch of cheesy props might get in the way of the emotional synapses firing in the same way if I were to attend a M&B show (which I admittedly haven't attended in a decade +).

I'm not saying that people aren't capable of being touched at M&B shows, but that the atmosphere there with things like props + cheerleaders + Stamos is likely to lend itself to the music being less of an emotional whopper to people in a general, overall sense - relatively speaking.

Speaking for myself, I was almost moved when I saw M&B.  When they were doing The Warmth of the Sun, I felt truly emotional and spiritual.  It was a great moment until........I caught a glimpse of that palm tree on the stage. 

HAPPY FRIDAY

 ;D

Nice. Is it really difficult to understand that it is my opinion that one band focuses a lot on nostalgia (with the help of video boards that broadcast footage of cheerleaders and surfers, stage props such as palm trees and surf boards, etc) and the other band focuses on a more intimate atmosphere? Some fans like either one, or both.

I never said one couldn't be moved emotionally at a touring show, just that they seem to have a different atmosphere geared more towards fun. Brian shows tend to lean toward the heavier setlists and a more serious atmosphere. Fans of the latter tend to criticize the former for the stage props, cheerleaders, etc because they feel it detracts from the music...which was merely a logical answer to your initial question.

Regardless, happy Friday indeed ;D to all those going to upcoming shows from either band, enjoy!

Lighten up, Rab.  I'm just having a little fun fun fun with you. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 06, 2016, 05:48:16 AM
Lighten up, Rab.  I'm just having a little fun fun fun with you. 

When some loud braggart tries to put me down, I gotta tell him off right away ;)

Cheers, KDS :beer


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 06:16:24 AM
Lighten up, Rab.  I'm just having a little fun fun fun with you. 

When some loud braggart tries to put me down, I gotta tell him off right away ;)

Cheers, KDS :beer

 :beer


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Fire Wind on May 06, 2016, 06:19:07 AM
Aren't these the same videos used during C50?  They're fine.  They add context.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 06, 2016, 06:48:34 AM
Scott Totten taking over the reins of the Mike and Bruce show in 2008 was to the band's benefit; he was able to build upon the progression that Chris Farmer oversaw as band leader and the band ended up being better for it. Getting rid of Mike Kowalski was a WELCOME change from where I sit. They went from being dire (1998-2003) to serious competition (2004-08) to very close to Brian's group (2009-now). (I think) Scott said himself that Mike picks the songs for the gigs.

I don't doubt for one minute that Brian inspired Mike and Bruce (and by proxy, Scott as band leader) to greater heights as a touring band. They should keep racing up that ladder. Both bands put on excellent shows for their respective markets.

Great post...although the videos I've seen from 2004-2008 are still pretty rough...but I can vouch that Mike & Scott prepare the set together before each show...like, RIGHT before the show...and that doesn't mean it sticks either. Scott added "Good To My Baby" when I saw them in '13 on the fly and Mike had them remove "All I Wanna Do" right before its spot in the show when I just saw them in February. I've also seen shows where they've had the "Rock and Roll Music" and "Do You Wanna Dance" duo on the set, but cut them...presumably because the crowds sucked.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 06:54:37 AM
Scott Totten taking over the reins of the Mike and Bruce show in 2008 was to the band's benefit; he was able to build upon the progression that Chris Farmer oversaw as band leader and the band ended up being better for it. Getting rid of Mike Kowalski was a WELCOME change from where I sit. They went from being dire (1998-2003) to serious competition (2004-08) to very close to Brian's group (2009-now). (I think) Scott said himself that Mike picks the songs for the gigs.

I don't doubt for one minute that Brian inspired Mike and Bruce (and by proxy, Scott as band leader) to greater heights as a touring band. They should keep racing up that ladder. Both bands put on excellent shows for their respective markets.

Great post...although the videos I've seen from 2004-2008 are still pretty rough...but I can vouch that Mike & Scott prepare the set together before each show...like, RIGHT before the show...and that doesn't mean it sticks either. Scott added "Good To My Baby" when I saw them in '13 on the fly and Mike had them remove "All I Wanna Do" right before its spot in the show when I just saw them in February. I've also seen shows where they've had the "Rock and Roll Music" and "Do You Wanna Dance" duo on the set, but cut them...presumably because the crowds sucked.

Ugh...still stings that All I Wanna Do was in the setlist in Baltimore, but was cut. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Debbie KL on May 06, 2016, 07:00:58 AM
One thing I'm really curious about is these Noven Jaisi videos. Agd swore on his authority that they were entirely fan made - he went as far as to be very mocking about how right he was - and it turns out now that they are official? Doe was also saying he had nothing to do with Mike's book. If think he lied about a lot of stuff...its very curious.

Just look
https://youtu.be/DwacdCTw3ZI

Do you know the video being used now in concert is the video discussed in November 2015? Which one of these fan videos is the "official" video being used as an intro at the BBs' concerts? Is it one of those on Noven's Youtube page? Is it on a Facebook page?  Has anyone one seen the video at concert?  



What does that have to do with the latest Jaisi video link and the misrepresentation of Sir George Martin's comments, and the video's obvious associations with Mike Love's pages and sites?  Whether it's played at concerts or not, it appears to be used for promotion of those concerts.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 07:18:51 AM
Scott Totten taking over the reins of the Mike and Bruce show in 2008 was to the band's benefit; he was able to build upon the progression that Chris Farmer oversaw as band leader and the band ended up being better for it. Getting rid of Mike Kowalski was a WELCOME change from where I sit. They went from being dire (1998-2003) to serious competition (2004-08) to very close to Brian's group (2009-now). (I think) Scott said himself that Mike picks the songs for the gigs.

I don't doubt for one minute that Brian inspired Mike and Bruce (and by proxy, Scott as band leader) to greater heights as a touring band. They should keep racing up that ladder. Both bands put on excellent shows for their respective markets.

Great post...although the videos I've seen from 2004-2008 are still pretty rough...but I can vouch that Mike & Scott prepare the set together before each show...like, RIGHT before the show...and that doesn't mean it sticks either. Scott added "Good To My Baby" when I saw them in '13 on the fly and Mike had them remove "All I Wanna Do" right before its spot in the show when I just saw them in February. I've also seen shows where they've had the "Rock and Roll Music" and "Do You Wanna Dance" duo on the set, but cut them...presumably because the crowds sucked.

I do believe All I Wanna Do was cut from the Baltimore show in February because the audience didn't seem to be intro the ballads they were doing in the 2nd half of the show (All This is That, Their Hearts Were Full of Spring, etc).

It seems like they've added some more uptempo numbers (ie Dance Dance Dance) to the 2nd half of show. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cyncie on May 06, 2016, 07:34:14 AM
I've seen the Mike and Bruce touring band several times and enjoyed the show. Sure, it's heavy on the hits, but I happen to like the hits, so that's no problem for me. Yes, Mike's stage schtick is lame and aging poorly, but he's always been less than cool. I just took the view that he's a dork, but he's our dork.

But, that was before C50. When I went to that concert, I saw what was missing. The whole really was greater than the sum of its parts. C50 was a glimpse of what had made The Beach Boys great and what The Beach Boys could be going forward. But, it didn't go forward, and that was apparently Mike's choice.

But, even that kind of contention isn't new, and I could have re-embraced Mike's band if he had shown any class whatsoever after the break down. What has soured me on seeing them again has been Mike's passive-aggressive swipes at Brian Wilson since C50, his constant insinuations about Brian's  "condition", his Murry-like "I'm a misunderstood genius, too" mantra and his attempts to recreate the C50 formula without the very things that really made it special. Like, you know, the other Beach Boys.

So, if Mike continues to go into every interview making publicly hateful comments about the reunion, his band mates, Brian's health, family and music, all the while trying to one-up or copy him (Brian's got a new record? Well, so what. I've got this song. Brian's getting a bio? Well… me too. Nyeh!), I reserve the right to conclude that he's a bitter old man who feels threatened by his supposedly poor, incapacitated cousin. I also reserve the right to skip his concerts. And, as long as he continues to put these comments forward in the media, I reserve the right to reasonably discuss my opinions on a Beach Boys discussion forum.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 06, 2016, 08:00:39 AM
Scott Totten taking over the reins of the Mike and Bruce show in 2008 was to the band's benefit; he was able to build upon the progression that Chris Farmer oversaw as band leader and the band ended up being better for it. Getting rid of Mike Kowalski was a WELCOME change from where I sit. They went from being dire (1998-2003) to serious competition (2004-08) to very close to Brian's group (2009-now). (I think) Scott said himself that Mike picks the songs for the gigs.

I don't doubt for one minute that Brian inspired Mike and Bruce (and by proxy, Scott as band leader) to greater heights as a touring band. They should keep racing up that ladder. Both bands put on excellent shows for their respective markets.

Great post...although the videos I've seen from 2004-2008 are still pretty rough...but I can vouch that Mike & Scott prepare the set together before each show...like, RIGHT before the show...and that doesn't mean it sticks either. Scott added "Good To My Baby" when I saw them in '13 on the fly and Mike had them remove "All I Wanna Do" right before its spot in the show when I just saw them in February. I've also seen shows where they've had the "Rock and Roll Music" and "Do You Wanna Dance" duo on the set, but cut them...presumably because the crowds sucked.

I do believe All I Wanna Do was cut from the Baltimore show in February because the audience didn't seem to be intro the ballads they were doing in the 2nd half of the show (All This is That, Their Hearts Were Full of Spring, etc).

It seems like they've added some more uptempo numbers (ie Dance Dance Dance) to the 2nd half of show.  

I've always wondered how accurate any band's perception of the audience can be from the stage. Obviously, if people are booing or completely silent, you can tell. When McCartney launches into a "new album" song in a 20,000 seat arena and 5,000 people get up to get a drink at the same time, you can tell. But the "mood" of an audience can be somewhat subjective, especially from the stage, when it's simply some lighter applause.

I'm also curious why in some shows, the quiet, slow songs are backloaded in the setlist, performed in the second half. I get it, you want to start a show off energetically. But even going back to the 80s and 90s, I always felt that *after* doing several uptempo, "hit" songs, *that* would be the place to drop an obscure tune or two, because people are still amped up just to be at a show.

I'd also argue that "All I Wanna Do" plods less than "All This Is That." I love "All This Is That", but I remember during C50 that *that* was one some casual fans found more tedious, especially the manta-like refrain "I'm that, thou art that, all this is that" over and over and over. Mike's longwinded intro to the song probably didn't help either.

But it's also weird, because "It's OK" has gone over like a lead balloon every time I've seen or heard it done (nobody hates it, just nobody seem to remember it; it might as well be "Goin' to the Beach" to many or most), both on C50 and in Mike's post-2012 set. When they did it in 1982 nobody seemed to care either. I guess Mike just really likes that song. Indeed, it probably *should* have been a bigger hit than "Rock and Roll Music", and I recall someone (perhaps Jon Stebbins) posting some interesting theories about how it could have been a bigger hit. But I digress....

As others have been saying, I'd say those who enjoy the breadth of Mike's current show setlists have three main "influences" to thank: Brian (and his band), Scott Totten, and to a small degree Al (his 1999 tour anyway).


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 08:06:13 AM
HJ,

I'd throw Jeff Foskett and Brian Eichenberger in there too. 

As for It's OK.  I've noticed that's one up tempo song that fails to move the crowd also.  Even the relatively unknown Goin to the Beach has gotten crowds moving more than It's OK as the shows I've seen. 

I've have gladly traded All This is That for All I Wanna Do.  I love both songs, but I'd seen All This is That at a C50 show.  At the C50 show, the audience around me (in the lawn) all started talking among themselves.  During the theater show in February, the audience just seemed bored. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 06, 2016, 08:17:56 AM
HJ,

I'd throw Jeff Foskett and Brian Eichenberger in there too. 

Both of those guys are good singers and musicians, and I can't imagine are anything but a plus. But I think the main large leap in quality of the shows, especially the setlists but also the overall performance quality, happened in the later 2000s when Kowalski departed, Totten took a more prominent role, and they all of a sudden realized they could do more deep cuts, especially in the UK.

But I can be pretty darn objective about Mike's band; I have no sentimental favorite. Totten really deserves more credit for Mike's band than anyone that has played with Mike post-1998.

What Brian *should* have done is lured Totten and Cowsill from Mike's band. I love all the guys in Brian's band and wouldn't want to throw any of them under the bus, but I wouldn't mind losing Lizik and having Cowsill trade off on drums with Mikey, have Mikey do bass, maybe trade off with Probyn. Literally the C50 band, but with Matt on falsetto, and maybe Blondie in there, would be awesome.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 06, 2016, 08:39:39 AM
HJ,

I'd throw Jeff Foskett and Brian Eichenberger in there too. 

Both of those guys are good singers and musicians, and I can't imagine are anything but a plus. But I think the main large leap in quality of the shows, especially the setlists but also the overall performance quality, happened in the later 2000s when Kowalski departed, Totten took a more prominent role, and they all of a sudden realized they could do more deep cuts, especially in the UK.

But I can be pretty darn objective about Mike's band; I have no sentimental favorite. Totten really deserves more credit for Mike's band than anyone that has played with Mike post-1998.

What Brian *should* have done is lured Totten and Cowsill from Mike's band. I love all the guys in Brian's band and wouldn't want to throw any of them under the bus, but I wouldn't mind losing Lizik and having Cowsill trade off on drums with Mikey, have Mikey do bass, maybe trade off with Probyn. Literally the C50 band, but with Matt on falsetto, and maybe Blondie in there, would be awesome.

If Brian lured anyone away from Mike's band, I think we'd never hear the end of Mike complaining about Brian and/or Melinda doing such a dastardly deed.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 06, 2016, 11:55:11 AM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 06, 2016, 12:11:37 PM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 06, 2016, 12:36:12 PM
I've seen the Mike and Bruce touring band several times and enjoyed the show. Sure, it's heavy on the hits, but I happen to like the hits, so that's no problem for me. Yes, Mike's stage schtick is lame and aging poorly, but he's always been less than cool. I just took the view that he's a dork, but he's our dork.

But, that was before C50. When I went to that concert, I saw what was missing. The whole really was greater than the sum of its parts. C50 was a glimpse of what had made The Beach Boys great and what The Beach Boys could be going forward. But, it didn't go forward, and that was apparently Mike's choice.

But, even that kind of contention isn't new, and I could have re-embraced Mike's band if he had shown any class whatsoever after the break down. What has soured me on seeing them again has been Mike's passive-aggressive swipes at Brian Wilson since C50, his constant insinuations about Brian's  "condition", his Murry-like "I'm a misunderstood genius, too" mantra and his attempts to recreate the C50 formula without the very things that really made it special. Like, you know, the other Beach Boys.

So, if Mike continues to go into every interview making publicly hateful comments about the reunion, his band mates, Brian's health, family and music, all the while trying to one-up or copy him (Brian's got a new record? Well, so what. I've got this song. Brian's getting a bio? Well… me too. Nyeh!), I reserve the right to conclude that he's a bitter old man who feels threatened by his supposedly poor, incapacitated cousin. I also reserve the right to skip his concerts. And, as long as he continues to put these comments forward in the media, I reserve the right to reasonably discuss my opinions on a Beach Boys discussion forum.

+10


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 06, 2016, 12:42:10 PM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

I agree with your earlier assessment that It's OK should've been a bigger hit than Rock and Roll Music. 

I wasn't too sad when Rock and Roll Music didn't make the setlists the last two times I saw M&B in concert. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on May 06, 2016, 01:02:16 PM
It's Ok really rocked when they would rip through it at record breaking speed in the late 70s.  Still one of my favorites to hear anyway.

 When I saw M and B this past summer, it was a small theatre and the set list was amazing. One of the best I ever heard, we got Til I Die and I thought for sure ok here we go " All I Wanna Do" is going to be played and then.......Cool Head and Warm Heart. Talk about a punch in the gut. Still a great set list but what if!?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 06, 2016, 01:04:55 PM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

That intro was used as early as 2005 or so. Regarding tempo, If you listen to the Newcastle 2004 show, it was done in an energetic tempo. In the mid 2000s, with the intro, it was part of the opening set and was fast and worked well. During the C50 shows, this was definitely a crowd energy vampire. I really was happy to see it make the set list, but disappointed in the result. This was one of probably just a handful of songs that I was disappointed in during the otherwise stellar year of shows.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 06, 2016, 01:06:35 PM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

I agree with your earlier assessment that It's OK should've been a bigger hit than Rock and Roll Music. 

I wasn't too sad when Rock and Roll Music didn't make the setlists the last two times I saw M&B in concert. 

I think I'm one of a few that really really likes Rock And Roll Music in a live setting. It's almost always one of the highlights for me.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 06, 2016, 04:22:49 PM
One thing I'm really curious about is these Noven Jaisi videos. Agd swore on his authority that they were entirely fan made - he went as far as to be very mocking about how right he was - and it turns out now that they are official? Doe was also saying he had nothing to do with Mike's book. If think he lied about a lot of stuff...its very curious.

Just look
https://youtu.be/DwacdCTw3ZI

Do you know the video being used now in concert is the video discussed in November 2015? Which one of these fan videos is the "official" video being used as an intro at the BBs' concerts? Is it one of those on Noven's Youtube page? Is it on a Facebook page?  Has anyone one seen the video at concert?  



What does that have to do with the latest Jaisi video link and the misrepresentation of Sir George Martin's comments, and the video's obvious associations with Mike Love's pages and sites?  Whether it's played at concerts or not, it appears to be used for promotion of those concerts.

Nothing, I wasn't talking about that video.  I was talking about the video discussed in November 2015 and whatever is the video being shown at BBs' concert now. Unless someone knows that video you are talking about is the one being shown at the BBs current concerts. Is it?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on May 06, 2016, 08:33:16 PM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

I agree with your earlier assessment that It's OK should've been a bigger hit than Rock and Roll Music. 

I wasn't too sad when Rock and Roll Music didn't make the setlists the last two times I saw M&B in concert. 

I think I'm one of a few that really really likes Rock And Roll Music in a live setting. It's almost always one of the highlights for me.

If the crowd is into Rock and Roll Music, it serves its purpose...but it's still an awful arrangement of the song.  :o


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 06, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
The problem with "It's OK" is that they do it WAY too slow to put it in with those early surf songs that they burn through in ninety seconds. It kills the mood. It sounds great, but it doesn't fit with the sequencing, even if the lyrical content does.

They play it a little slower probably, but they also change the drum pattern. Instead of the standard snare on the 2 and 4 beat on the verses, as it is on the original recording, they do that "Be My Baby" sort of pattern with the snare on the 4. That's what really makes it plod. I've even heard some C50 recordings where Cowsill starts to the play the original pattern, and then quickly corrects it to the other pattern.

The different drum pattern, the slower tempo, as well as dropping the key, all do kind of suck the energy out of the original recording. I've never been a big fan of the song, but the original recording at least has some pep to it.

I've always wondered if it's a coincidence or not that the "new" opening to the song added to the live arrangement sounds very similar to the intro to the unreleased "Skatetown USA."

I agree with your earlier assessment that It's OK should've been a bigger hit than Rock and Roll Music. 

I wasn't too sad when Rock and Roll Music didn't make the setlists the last two times I saw M&B in concert. 

I think I'm one of a few that really really likes Rock And Roll Music in a live setting. It's almost always one of the highlights for me.

If the crowd is into Rock and Roll Music, it serves its purpose...but it's still an awful arrangement of the song.  :o

I love the live arrangement!! And the 45 version that was on GH3. The Album version is horrible.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 06, 2016, 10:03:52 PM
I imagine M&B have 1-2 songs that could be dropped on the spot due to time constraints or even Mike getting tired. R&R Music could be one such song. The likes of Cali Girls, Kokomo etc, never.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 07, 2016, 12:48:01 AM
I imagine M&B have 1-2 songs that could be dropped on the spot due to time constraints or even Mike getting tired. R&R Music could be one such song. The likes of Cali Girls, Kokomo etc, never.
During a recent San Diego show (where they played two shows in one night), they dropped rock and roll music, though it was on the printed setlist, due to time constraints. I do remember a recent Mike interview where he mentioned that he gets burned out on that song occasionally.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Niko on May 07, 2016, 04:32:10 AM
I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been an official answer on these Noven Jaisi videos - why does the latest video have a Brother and Capitol Records logo if it isn't official? Anyone?

It sure seems official

Mike's management say the video is nothing to do with them. Seems to be a fan creation, although they admit it's very well done.

Definitely worthy of the criticism. The video is labeled "Still Tourin'" and is based largely on clips from a lineup and tour that was far greater in quality of music and quantity of seats per venue than what is actually on the road "still tourin'" right now. Despicable.

So... the guy who put it together is despicable ? Bit harsh, isn't it ?

 Oh, wait...you're  thinking this is official BRI product. How amusing. ;D

My understanding is that Mike commissioned this from Mr. Jaisi, knowing full well that a wrath of Biblical dimension would instantly descend from the heavens (or this forum - which is much the same thing, of course: are we not Olympian deities, omniscient and omnipotent ?), allowing him to delete the post from his page, thus disassociating himself from it while simultaneously engaging in a complex double bluff and getting his message out there, knowing that all rational fans will realise that, as well executed as the video is, it's not officially sanctioned. Except that it is, of course.

That's what I would say, were I an extremely gullible conspiracy theorist with a handy Thesaurus. Thankfully, I'm not. It's a very well executed fan video that subtly implies it's official product when it isn't. I'm guessing it was deleted from Mike's page for that very reason, and because it's Copyright Infringement Central as regards the various clips. For those pointing out, reasonably enough, that the BW one is still up, that's clearly labelled as a parody.

And now, I must maintain my front as an independent entity by pretending to go work as a bookie for some ten hours. If I can find the bloody shop - the fog out there is about as dense as some posters here.  :)

When in doubt, go to the source. Noven confirms he did it purely on his own and the clips came from his own extensive archive.

As Noven said, all the footage came from his own collection. None was wittingly supplied by BRI.

Someone explain to me why we're having this fucking stupid  conversation, please.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 07, 2016, 04:53:59 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 07, 2016, 04:54:36 AM
I'm a bit surprised there hasn't been an official answer on these Noven Jaisi videos - why does the latest video have a Brother and Capitol Records logo if it isn't official? Anyone?

It sure seems official

Mike's management say the video is nothing to do with them. Seems to be a fan creation, although they admit it's very well done.

Definitely worthy of the criticism. The video is labeled "Still Tourin'" and is based largely on clips from a lineup and tour that was far greater in quality of music and quantity of seats per venue than what is actually on the road "still tourin'" right now. Despicable.

So... the guy who put it together is despicable ? Bit harsh, isn't it ?

 Oh, wait...you're  thinking this is official BRI product. How amusing. ;D

My understanding is that Mike commissioned this from Mr. Jaisi, knowing full well that a wrath of Biblical dimension would instantly descend from the heavens (or this forum - which is much the same thing, of course: are we not Olympian deities, omniscient and omnipotent ?), allowing him to delete the post from his page, thus disassociating himself from it while simultaneously engaging in a complex double bluff and getting his message out there, knowing that all rational fans will realise that, as well executed as the video is, it's not officially sanctioned. Except that it is, of course.

That's what I would say, were I an extremely gullible conspiracy theorist with a handy Thesaurus. Thankfully, I'm not. It's a very well executed fan video that subtly implies it's official product when it isn't. I'm guessing it was deleted from Mike's page for that very reason, and because it's Copyright Infringement Central as regards the various clips. For those pointing out, reasonably enough, that the BW one is still up, that's clearly labelled as a parody.

And now, I must maintain my front as an independent entity by pretending to go work as a bookie for some ten hours. If I can find the bloody shop - the fog out there is about as dense as some posters here.  :)

When in doubt, go to the source. Noven confirms he did it purely on his own and the clips came from his own extensive archive.

As Noven said, all the footage came from his own collection. None was wittingly supplied by BRI.

Someone explain to me why we're having this fucking stupid  conversation, please.

Is it being used anywhere except Noven's fan video site? Is it being used by Brother or Capitol anywhere on their sites or promotions in any fashion?  You could ask Brother and/or Capitol I suppose.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 05:33:31 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 07, 2016, 05:43:11 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands cold do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 05:49:12 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order. 

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)   



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 07, 2016, 06:43:32 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order. 

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)   

:lol best argument yet. So George Martin can't say that Brian's band can perform Good Vibrations well because that accomplishment was done 40 years prior and onward by another band. We really can't admit that a quote attributed to Brian's band and their hard work was misrepresented in this video? No, it's George martin's fault! Of course!

:lol ;) ;) ;) ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Niko on May 07, 2016, 06:48:13 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order. 

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)   

You've missed the point entirely.

George Martin said that about the brian Wilson band NOT the beach boys. And at the time of him saying that, brian was the only beach boy in the brian Wilson band.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 06:54:58 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order. 

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)   

:lol best argument yet. So George Martin can't say that Brian's band can perform Good Vibrations well because that accomplishment was done 40 years prior and onward by another band. We really can't admit that a quote attributed to Brian's band and their hard work was misrepresented in this video? No, it's George martin's fault! Of course!

:lol ;) ;) ;) ;)
rab - Was Martin "in the company of" Brian's band? Would he say nice things about them?  Of course he would.  They are great.  It does not detract from their greatness, which is not in question as far as I am concerned.  Sir George could speak as he pleased.

But, let's not forget that when GV was put together, Carl was barely out of his teens, and Dennis who was on drums/percussion was in his early 20's and they tackled it, performing night after night.  A listen to the Youtubes from 1967 will bear that out.  ;)



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 07:02:22 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order. 

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)   

You've missed the point entirely.

George Martin said that about the brian Wilson band NOT the beach boys. And at the time of him saying that, brian was the only beach boy in the brian Wilson band.
Woodstock - in a video lasting about a minute and a half, there were the Brother logos, a clip from Mike Douglas circa 1968-9, and some banter.  If he got 95% correct, that is not too bad, and there are links to various BRI-connected websites so it must be pretty much on target. 

If Martin says something nice about Brian's band does it mean that he thinks no one else is capable or has been capable of doing GV, live?  I don't think so.  I think the original BB's are certainly incorporated by reference contained in the video clips.    The different configurations remind me of a Venn Diagram with the BB's in the center.  It is how I think of them and how I can appreciate all versions playing this music.  It makes it easy.  ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: rab2591 on May 07, 2016, 07:06:48 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order. 

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)   

:lol best argument yet. So George Martin can't say that Brian's band can perform Good Vibrations well because that accomplishment was done 40 years prior and onward by another band. We really can't admit that a quote attributed to Brian's band and their hard work was misrepresented in this video? No, it's George martin's fault! Of course!

:lol ;) ;) ;) ;)
rab - Was Martin "in the company of" Brian's band? Would he say nice things about them?  Of course he would.  They are great.  It does not detract from their greatness, which is not in question as far as I am concerned.  Sir George could speak as he pleased.

But, let's not forget that when GV was put together, Carl was barely out of his teens, and Dennis who was on drums/percussion was in his early 20's and they tackled it, performing night after night.  A listen to the Youtubes from 1967 will bear that out.  ;)

No one is saying any differently. It is still a fact that George Martin's quote was misrepresented in this case...No matter what his opinion is of other bands performing the song well. ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 07:22:01 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order.  

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)  

:lol best argument yet. So George Martin can't say that Brian's band can perform Good Vibrations well because that accomplishment was done 40 years prior and onward by another band. We really can't admit that a quote attributed to Brian's band and their hard work was misrepresented in this video? No, it's George martin's fault! Of course!

:lol ;) ;) ;) ;)
rab - Was Martin "in the company of" Brian's band? Would he say nice things about them?  Of course he would.  They are great.  It does not detract from their greatness, which is not in question as far as I am concerned.  Sir George could speak as he pleased.

But, let's not forget that when GV was put together, Carl was barely out of his teens, and Dennis who was on drums/percussion was in his early 20's and they tackled it, performing night after night.  A listen to the Youtubes from 1967 will bear that out.  ;)

No one is saying any differently. It is still a fact that George Martin's quote was misrepresented in this case...No matter what his opinion is of other bands performing the song well. ;)

Found this with the original BB's singing.  Martin references The Beach Boys at the beginning of this video which is marked "for Education." Hope it copies.  I can't tell if Martin was wearing a seat belt or if those cars even had them.  :lol

http://youtu.be/CnVyCuc9_P8


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 07, 2016, 07:53:40 AM
Martin's quote is about the BW band.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 07, 2016, 08:05:20 AM
Martin's quote is about the BW band.

Someone could ask Noven to correct it, or you could comment on the video in his Youtube fan page and explain that the remark doesn't reflect that Martin thinks the Beach Boys could/did perform GV in concert but is just in reference to a performance by Brian and his band.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 07, 2016, 08:12:09 AM
Yeah but filleplage seems to think differently on the quote context. There is a difference between the BBs and the BW band/ M&B even without this willful abuse of this quote.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Mendota Heights on May 07, 2016, 08:23:30 AM
#makethetouringbandgreatagain


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 07, 2016, 08:31:00 AM
Whoever did it, totally wrong that it includes a quote from Sir George Martin that was made about another band - Brian's band, as Debbie pointed out.

Maybe I am confused, but The Beach Boys played GV live post-release.  Could they do it? I have an old 1967 show streaming right now.  

Was that the Sir George Martin query?  Of course other bands could do it decades post.  The Beach Boys are Brian's band; but a cooperative venture, not the solo Brian band.  

That video, appears to be a cobbled-assemblage of various videos over time.  Could just have easily been a school project.  It is just a mini-snapshot.  A documentary, it ain't.    ;)

The Sir George Martin quote in the video related not to The Beach Boys, either then or now but to the Brian Wilson band. It was quoted out of context.

Then it is out of context 40 years post, I think.  The Beach Boys did the live version post-release.  They were capable of performing it live.  This person may have the time-context off.  I don't think is a big deal.  It is difficult to put 55+ years in exactly the correct chronological order.  

George Martin would have known full-well that The Beach Boys had performed it post-release. And, very well with Carl Wilson on lead.   ;)  

:lol best argument yet. So George Martin can't say that Brian's band can perform Good Vibrations well because that accomplishment was done 40 years prior and onward by another band. We really can't admit that a quote attributed to Brian's band and their hard work was misrepresented in this video? No, it's George martin's fault! Of course!

:lol ;) ;) ;) ;)
rab - Was Martin "in the company of" Brian's band? Would he say nice things about them?  Of course he would.  They are great.  It does not detract from their greatness, which is not in question as far as I am concerned.  Sir George could speak as he pleased.

But, let's not forget that when GV was put together, Carl was barely out of his teens, and Dennis who was on drums/percussion was in his early 20's and they tackled it, performing night after night.  A listen to the Youtubes from 1967 will bear that out.  ;)

No one is saying any differently. It is still a fact that George Martin's quote was misrepresented in this case...No matter what his opinion is of other bands performing the song well. ;)

Found this with the original BB's singing.  Martin references The Beach Boys at the beginning of this video which is marked "for Education." Hope it copies.  I can't tell if Martin was wearing a seat belt or if those cars even had them.  :lol

http://youtu.be/CnVyCuc9_P8


I can't remember exactly which programme the Sir George Martin quote came from but I'm guessing either Art That Shook the world or else the three parter on Melody, Harmony and Rhythm, both of which were done for UK TV and at a time when the original Beach Boys were NOT together - not even during the C50. The quote was about Brian's band, not the Beach Boys, however good Sir George's opinion of The Beach Boys may have been. It's like using a Pepsi Cola advert to advertise Coke, even if the person drinking it liked both.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 08:32:32 AM
Yeah but filleplage seems to think differently on the quote context. There is a difference between the BBs and the BW band/ M&B even without this willful abuse of this quote.
Smile Brian - I took the time to do a search on Martin. Willful abuse?  I think not, and if you can find the relevant video of Martin referring to Brian's band, it would be much appreciated.  

Martin is in the studio with Brian and working on a little remix of GOK with Carl on lead.  




Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 08:34:16 AM
#makethetouringbandgreatagain
#stillwaitingforthecheck

 :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 07, 2016, 08:49:44 AM
No Wilsons were ever in the M&B rented BBs band. George Martin meant the BW band in his quote.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Debbie KL on May 07, 2016, 08:52:43 AM
Yeah but filleplage seems to think differently on the quote context. There is a difference between the BBs and the BW band/ M&B even without this willful abuse of this quote.
Smile Brian - I took the time to do a search on Martin. Willful abuse?  I think not, and if you can find the relevant video of Martin referring to Brian's band, it would be much appreciated.  

Martin is in the studio with Brian and working on a little remix of GOK with Carl on lead.  




It's very, very easy to find the full quote, as I offered the reference pages back.  It is directly from the video made in March 2001 - "A Tribute to Brian Wilson."  I was at the event at Radio City Music Hall, as were many others.  Sir George Martin was on the stage describing the brilliance of Brian Wilson's studio abilities and how he was essentially doing what Sir George and all of the Beatles were doing together at that time.  He was introducing the Brian Wilson's band's performance and how it was difficult to imagine anyone genuinely recreating that music, but "this band can do it."  Go look at the video - very well-known - from this event.  That is where it came from.  Any more questions?  

Never mind, I'm sure you'll have some convoluted reference to how he was "really" referring to the late 60's BBs.  It was not.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Rocker on May 07, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
Yeah but filleplage seems to think differently on the quote context. There is a difference between the BBs and the BW band/ M&B even without this willful abuse of this quote.
Smile Brian - I took the time to do a search on Martin. Willful abuse?  I think not, and if you can find the relevant video of Martin referring to Brian's band, it would be much appreciated.  

Martin is in the studio with Brian and working on a little remix of GOK with Carl on lead.  




It's very, very easy to find the full quote, as I offered the reference pages back.  It is directly from the video made in March 2001 - "A Tribute to Brian Wilson."  I was at the event at Radio City Music Hall, as were many others.  Sir George Martin was on the stage describing the brilliance of Brian Wilson's studio abilities and how he was essentially doing what Sir George and all of the Beatles were doing together at that time.  He was introducing the Brian Wilson's band's performance and how it was difficult to imagine anyone genuinely recreating that music, but "this band can do it."  Go look at the video - very well-known - from this event.  That is where it came from.  Any more questions?  

Never mind, I'm sure you'll have some convoluted reference to how he was "really" referring to the late 60's BBs.  It was not.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvmqWnPxxE


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 09:04:12 AM
Yeah but filleplage seems to think differently on the quote context. There is a difference between the BBs and the BW band/ M&B even without this willful abuse of this quote.
Smile Brian - I took the time to do a search on Martin. Willful abuse?  I think not, and if you can find the relevant video of Martin referring to Brian's band, it would be much appreciated.  

Martin is in the studio with Brian and working on a little remix of GOK with Carl on lead.  




It's very, very easy to find the full quote, as I offered the reference pages back.  It is directly from the video made in March 2001 - "A Tribute to Brian Wilson."  I was at the event at Radio City Music Hall, as were many others.  Sir George Martin was on the stage describing the brilliance of Brian Wilson's studio abilities and how he was essentially doing what Sir George and all of the Beatles were doing together at that time.  He was introducing the Brian Wilson's band's performance and how it was difficult to imagine anyone genuinely recreating that music, but "this band can do it."  Go look at the video - very well-known - from this event.  That is where it came from.  Any more questions?  

Never mind, I'm sure you'll have some convoluted reference to how he was "really" referring to the late 60's BBs.  It was not.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvmqWnPxxE
Thanks Rocker - that was what I was exactly looking to see. 

The Martin interview both with Brian at his home at the piano and in the studio re-working GOK was what I found first.  Thank you.   ;) 



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Ang Jones on May 07, 2016, 10:06:36 AM
Yeah but filleplage seems to think differently on the quote context. There is a difference between the BBs and the BW band/ M&B even without this willful abuse of this quote.
Smile Brian - I took the time to do a search on Martin. Willful abuse?  I think not, and if you can find the relevant video of Martin referring to Brian's band, it would be much appreciated.  

Martin is in the studio with Brian and working on a little remix of GOK with Carl on lead.  




It's very, very easy to find the full quote, as I offered the reference pages back.  It is directly from the video made in March 2001 - "A Tribute to Brian Wilson."  I was at the event at Radio City Music Hall, as were many others.  Sir George Martin was on the stage describing the brilliance of Brian Wilson's studio abilities and how he was essentially doing what Sir George and all of the Beatles were doing together at that time.  He was introducing the Brian Wilson's band's performance and how it was difficult to imagine anyone genuinely recreating that music, but "this band can do it."  Go look at the video - very well-known - from this event.  That is where it came from.  Any more questions?  

Never mind, I'm sure you'll have some convoluted reference to how he was "really" referring to the late 60's BBs.  It was not.

Thanks Debbie for making this clear. A pity that the video didn't.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 07, 2016, 10:07:30 AM
 ::)  One of these days this sort of conversation is going to end up with my eyes stuck looking upward.
The point of Martin's quote was that the band Brian Wilson put together can perform GV in a way that actually sounds like the recording as no other band ever has. And they do. And it's amazing.
If the video is just a fan video, it's maybe a perfectly reasonable mistake that someone got it out of context, but in that case he/she should correct it and remove the logo. If it's an official video, it's pretty wrong to use the quote. Why is this even debatable? Ugh.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on May 07, 2016, 11:14:36 AM
Here's the full clip of George Martin from the All-Star Tribute:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJTLu4UiJ7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJTLu4UiJ7o)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on May 07, 2016, 11:34:10 AM
Here's the full clip of George Martin from the All-Star Tribute:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJTLu4UiJ7o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJTLu4UiJ7o)
Thanks for that.  Paul McCartney with that haircut! OMG!

The other video above that I linked above, was from a 1997 in the UK program called "The Rhythm of Life," and was listed as run on US TV in 1999. It is on imdb and the list of those who were featured are there.   

If filmed in 1997, it was prior to Carl's passing in early 1998.  I wonder if GOK was worked on in the studio by Brian and Sir George with Carl in mind, as he was on everyone's mind, late in 1997.

At any rate, thank you for finding that more comprehensive clip.   ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 14, 2016, 11:30:11 PM
Mike posted on Facebook that they are now doing six songs from Pet Sounds, with more to be added later in the tour!

Caroline No (Jeff)
You still believe in me (Brian E)
Here Today (Mike/Bruce)

And of course the staples WIBN, GOJ, SJB

Any bets on what will be added next?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on May 14, 2016, 11:36:06 PM
they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 14, 2016, 11:38:26 PM
Mike posted on Facebook that they are now doing six songs from Pet Sounds, with more to be added later in the tour!

Caroline No (Jeff)
You still believe in me (Brian E)
Here Today (Mike/Bruce)

And of course the staples WIBN, GOJ, SJB

Any bets on what will be added next?

Trombone Dixie


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 14, 2016, 11:43:45 PM
they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists. 

Pathetic? Far from it! I think all the touring bands including Al's and Dave's when they get gigs, are great!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Mayoman on May 15, 2016, 12:01:42 AM
Really like this version of WIBN from a recent show. Seems like they've rearranged a bit to be more faithful to the Pet Sounds track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnlSqXq4m6k


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 15, 2016, 12:19:21 AM
Really like this version of WIBN from a recent show. Seems like they've rearranged a bit to be more faithful to the Pet Sounds track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnlSqXq4m6k

Sounds great!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on May 15, 2016, 12:59:01 AM
they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists.  

Pathetic? Far from it! I think all the touring bands including Al's and Dave's when they get gigs, are great!

the gigs are great, the 'he's doing this, we better do it too' crap is childish.  both camps are guilty as hell now.

so who are more the Beach Boys now?  Mike n Bruce or Brian, Al n Blondie?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 15, 2016, 01:42:25 AM
they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists.  

Pathetic? Far from it! I think all the touring bands including Al's and Dave's when they get gigs, are great!

the gigs are great, the 'he's doing this, we better do it too' crap is childish.  both camps are guilty as hell now.

so who are more the Beach Boys now?  Mike n Bruce or Brian, Al n Blondie?

I try to look at the big picture.  Both main bands are performing 6+ Pet Sounds tracks to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds!  This is a win-win for everybody, Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce, Blondie, the hard core fans, the casual fans, etc.  Motives matter very little to me when I'm there enjoying the show.  All 4 of the bands celebrate the Beach Boys music that we love in a quality way.  The reasons why different bands add certain songs is not an issue to me.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2016, 05:09:29 AM
The intro video shown in KC last night is well done but not one that has been in discussion here or is up on Noven's fan video Youtube channel. The film shown was almost entirely historical footage of the band's whole career, there was no George Martin, there were a few seconds of modern scenes near the end but they were cut so fast I couldn't even pick out who it was images of.  Maybe someone else who has actually seen it can join in too in case I missed, misunderstood, or forgot something.

I think our long national nightmare of Novengate is finally over (because it never began).

The show was great by the way.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2016, 05:14:10 AM
they may as well go all the way and be "Mike & Bruce's Beach Boys Presents Brian Wilson' Presents Pet Sounds Tour 2016'.
These camps are pathetic.  Both now with near matching setlists.  

Pathetic? Far from it! I think all the touring bands including Al's and Dave's when they get gigs, are great!

the gigs are great, the 'he's doing this, we better do it too' crap is childish.  both camps are guilty as hell now.

so who are more the Beach Boys now?  Mike n Bruce or Brian, Al n Blondie?

I try to look at the big picture.  Both main bands are performing 6+ Pet Sounds tracks to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Pet Sounds!  This is a win-win for everybody, Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce, Blondie, the hard core fans, the casual fans, etc.  Motives matter very little to me when I'm there enjoying the show.  All 4 of the bands celebrate the Beach Boys music that we love in a quality way.  The reasons why different bands add certain songs is not an issue to me.

+1


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 15, 2016, 05:56:28 AM
I'm glad you had a good time, Cam. Do you have any anecdotes or the set list or anything?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Autotune on May 15, 2016, 06:11:04 AM
I find it remarkable that Mike is singing lead to Rhonda now.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2016, 07:35:54 AM
I'm glad you had a good time, Cam. Do you have any anecdotes or the set list or anything?

Hopefully the setlist will be posted on FB, I don't take notes or anything.  There were deep cuts and hits. I teared up during GOK.  The PS section was very nice. They all sounded great. I have no complaints, except Scott wasn't singing (sore throat I heard), but he was still killing it on guitar (and is one dapper son of a gun).


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Niko on May 15, 2016, 08:47:38 AM
I find it remarkable that Mike is singing lead to Rhonda now.


At the show in Hong Kong I saw 2 months ago that was the strongest lead of the night by anyone...cept maybe Brian on YSBIM


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 15, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
I find it remarkable that Mike is singing lead to Rhonda now.


Maybe it's another way for Mike to stick it to Al. I could imagine that in '64/'65, Mike might have wished that he himself would have gotten to be the lead singer on the studio recording of The BBs' second #1 hit - especially once it became a huge hit. Now there's no pesky guy around to steal away that thunder from him.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 15, 2016, 09:37:03 AM
Mike is getting increasingly twisted in white-washing out the other BBs.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 15, 2016, 09:38:43 AM
I find it remarkable that Mike is singing lead to Rhonda now.


Maybe it's another way for Mike to stick it to Al. I could imagine that in '64/'65, Mike might have wished that he himself would have gotten to be the lead singer on the studio recording of The BBs' second #1 hit - especially once it became a huge hit. Now there's no pesky guy around to steal away that thunder from him.

That's really stretching it, imo.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 15, 2016, 09:44:41 AM
I find it remarkable that Mike is singing lead to Rhonda now.


Maybe it's another way for Mike to stick it to Al. I could imagine that in '64/'65, Mike might have wished that he himself would have gotten to be the lead singer on the studio recording of The BBs' second #1 hit - especially once it became a huge hit. Now there's no pesky guy around to steal away that thunder from him.

That's really stretching it, imo.

I'm not saying that not having Al around is some evil plotted scheme to steal the HMR vocal. But it kinda feels like a poker game, where Mike won, and reclaiming that vocal once Al is no longer around is just one of the chips Mike gets to take home at the end of the night. Just how it feels to me.

Meanwhile, in Al's recent ESQ interview, he goes out of his way to publicly praise Mike's voice as an essential part of The BB live onstage sound, and sincerely laments Mike's talented vocal chops not being present during the current BW Pet Sounds tour.

Mike's comparative silence on the matter speaks volumes.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2016, 11:59:55 AM
I find it remarkable that Mike is singing lead to Rhonda now.


Maybe it's another way for Mike to stick it to Al. I could imagine that in '64/'65, Mike might have wished that he himself would have gotten to be the lead singer on the studio recording of The BBs' second #1 hit - especially once it became a huge hit. Now there's no pesky guy around to steal away that thunder from him.

You don't imagine it has everything to do with it being one of their #1 hits?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mikeddonn on May 15, 2016, 12:52:22 PM
Mike is getting increasingly twisted in white-washing out the other BBs.

Yeah, he'll be singing God Only Knows and Good Vibrations next! 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 15, 2016, 01:12:03 PM
With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it? :p

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 15, 2016, 01:15:08 PM
Somebody's gotta sing it. It would be stranger to leave it out altogether than for Mike to sing it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2016, 01:17:17 PM
Both bands doing more rare cuts isn't a bad thing (I think Mike doing a few personal Brian-centric songs is a bit distasteful in light of choosing to ditch Brian in 2012), but I don't think it's quite a "win win", it's more like a best case scenario for a band and brand that can't get their s**t together and be together.

I've never understood the "more touring bands is better!" thing, at least after 2012. It's like the kid with divorced parents saying getting two Christmases is better. No, it's just making the best of a bummer of a situation.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 15, 2016, 01:38:39 PM
With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it? :p

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.
Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2016, 02:01:02 PM
With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it? :p

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.
Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)

All of them "getting increasingly twisted in white-washing out" Al no doubt.   ;)



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 15, 2016, 03:00:01 PM
With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it? :p

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.
Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)

All of them "getting increasingly twisted in white-washing out" Al no doubt.   ;)



I fail to see how that is an answer to either one of the questions you quoted.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 15, 2016, 03:15:43 PM
With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it? :p

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.
Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)

All of them "getting increasingly twisted in white-washing out" Al no doubt.   ;)



I fail to see how that is an answer to either one of the questions you quoted.

Fair enough. Nevermind, it was a joke.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: lastofmykind on May 15, 2016, 05:55:15 PM
I believe the Mike and Bruce shows have gotten stronger with the addition of a woodwinds player into the fold.  When i saw them in February they had a great fellow named Jim Verdeur playing with them in a North East US run.  To my untrained ear it sounds like having a Bass Sax on WIBN would free one of Timmys keyboards up to syth an accordion in WIBN.  Also Jeffrey playing his model italia JF12 12 string guitar on some of the 12 strings adds another great layer of sound!  The opening to WIBN seems to be completely accurate to the original record with two 12 string guitars!
 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on May 15, 2016, 06:08:58 PM
Looks like they added the lyric "we find" after blossom world.  Pretty cool to hear that.  I think it works pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdPv4hSI5HA


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 15, 2016, 07:36:04 PM
Looks like they added the lyric "we find" after blossom world.  Pretty cool to hear that.  I think it works pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdPv4hSI5HA

Foskett did that during C50. Far from a big deal, but I found it kind of annoying.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on May 15, 2016, 07:48:57 PM
Looks like they added the lyric "we find" after blossom world.  Pretty cool to hear that.  I think it works pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdPv4hSI5HA

Foskett did that during C50. Far from a big deal, but I found it kind of annoying.

Oh.  :P For some reason I don't remember him doing that part that at the show I attended.   


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 16, 2016, 07:45:58 AM
With 150 shows a year it wouldn't have anything to do with the group mixing things up a bit themselves to keep things interesting now would it? :p

Dennis sang HMR back in the day as well.
Is this the only song that has now been sung by 4 different Beach Boys? (5 if you include Brian solo?)

If you include Brian and Al splitting the lead vocal on "Good Timin'" on C50, then five different BBs have sung it at least once at a Beach Boys show. Carl did it usually of course, Dennis sang it on occasion, and Mike sang it at least once at the Easter Seals Telethon in 1979.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 16, 2016, 05:37:11 PM
I attended the May 14, 2016, Beach Boys concert in Kansas City. I drove down from Michigan specifically to see a theater show (as opposed to the outdoor amphitheater setting) and because a meet and greet opportunity was available.

The meet and greet was scheduled to begin approximately one hour before show time. About 50 people had purchased this package and most arrived between 6-6:15pm. I had reached out to the venue for specifics months in advance, of which they were of little help. I had a guitar already signed by Brian and Al and wanted to be sure I could bring it in (for Brian and Al, I had to take the pickguard off to stay within the small items requirement). Thankfully, someone from Mike’s social media reached out to me and made arrangements with the tour manager.

We were brought in the venue around 6:30pm and told that Mike and Bruce were on their way, but traffic had been a challenge. We were instructed that we would be brought in two separate groups of approximately 20-25 people. Once in a small backstage area, we were instructed to form a semi-circle and have our item ready to be signed. Surprisingly few people had come prepared with an item to be signed, most had their tickets signed, while I saw a couple of CD jackets. Mike and Bruce were both extremely nice and talkative. After they made their rounds, we were told to line up for photos. The tour manager asked me to wait until that brought everyone through, as she was going to store my guitar for me. So, I waited for the first group to finish, she then brought in the second group. For the second round, I pulled out a copy of the Rolling Stone cover. Bruce loved the RS cover and commented on Al’s goggles, I told him I loved his early-70s mustache. Mike was really impressed with the cover and wondered where I got it. I asked him if he remembered the hat he was wearing and he clearly had no idea what it even was.

After this group, Jeff Foskett and Tim Bonhomme brought some friends/family in to meet the guys (I took this opportunity to get my photo with Jeff and Tim). During photos with Jeff’s guest, Mike was ribbing him for selling meet and greets on the side to make a little extra money—that really cracked the room up. Finally, after all the guests got through, I got my photo with Mike and Bruce and handed my guitar off to be retrieved after the concert.

The theater was beautiful and it appeared to be sold out. Mike and Bruce both were strong vocally (I think they were coming of somewhat of an extended break) and the band was in absolute top form. The opening video was very high quality and basically spanned their career. I can’t remember what songs played, but some of the photos were animated (i.e. Pet Sounds photo with a giraffe walking behind, Mike smoking a pipe with smoke rising from the pipe, etc.). As for the intermission video, I believe it was set to “Pet Sounds” and was essentially a 60s era montage (i.e. lots of hippies, Vietnam scenes, etc.).

Thoughts on specific songs:
- Jeff and Brian doubled on Farmer’s Daughter. Last time I saw them, Brian did it solo.
- Jeff did a particularly strong version of Darlin’.
- The Pet Sounds set was very tastefully done. Mike had a lyric sheet on the stage for Here Today.
- As I previously stated, Bruce was in particularly strong voice for Disney Girls. Seemed his keyboard was audible for this song.
- Mike introduced All This Is That as a song he wrote with Al—one of several mentions during the night.
- Cowsill took the lead on California Dreamin—he sounded fine, so I don’t necessarily buy that Mike has taken the Rhonda vocal due to a sore throat…
- No special intro for Do You Wanna Dance, just straight into it without a mention of the Dennis lead vocal.
- As noted, Mike took the lead on Rhonda and I really didn’t mind it. IMO, preferable to Cowsill.
- Barbara Ann did not include the onstage party with fans, which made it bearable. I’ve always found that the most cringe worthy moment at past shows.

Other thoughts:
- Both the intro video and the intermission video were very well done. However, I don’t understand the use of some of the more modern music videos (i.e. Getcha Back, California Dreamin’, etc.). Best I can tell, they are not source quality, but ripped from YouTube. It wouldn’t bother me as much if they were better quality.
- I thought the addition of Randy Leago on sax, flute and percussion was a huge plus and hope he sticks with them for a while. He took a few breaks from stage when the songs didn’t call for his services. Very solid!
- Overall, just a really great experience and well worth the time spent on the road.


I wish I could have written this immediately following the show, but the late night and early wakeup Sunday morning necessitated the delay. I'm happy to answer any specific questions.


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Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 16, 2016, 05:45:58 PM
I attended the May 14, 2016, Beach Boys concert in Kansas City. I drove down from Michigan specifically to see a theater show (as opposed to the outdoor amphitheater setting) and because a meet and greet opportunity was available.

The meet and greet was scheduled to begin approximately one hour before show time. About 50 people had purchased this package and most arrived between 6-6:15pm. I had reached out to the venue for specifics months in advance, of which they were of little help. I had a guitar already signed by Brian and Al and wanted to be sure I could bring it in (for Brian and Al, I had to take the pickguard off to stay within the small items requirement). Thankfully, someone from Mike’s social media reached out to me and made arrangements with the tour manager.

We were brought in the venue around 6:30pm and told that Mike and Bruce were on their way, but traffic had been a challenge. We were instructed that we would be brought in two separate groups of approximately 20-25 people. Once in a small backstage area, we were instructed to form a semi-circle and have our item ready to be signed. Surprisingly few people had come prepared with an item to be signed, most had their tickets signed, while I saw a couple of CD jackets. Mike and Bruce were both extremely nice and talkative. After they made their rounds, we were told to line up for photos. The tour manager asked me to wait until that brought everyone through, as she was going to store my guitar for me. So, I waited for the first group to finish, she then brought in the second group. For the second round, I pulled out a copy of the Rolling Stone cover. Bruce loved the RS cover and commented on Al’s goggles, I told him I loved his early-70s mustache. Mike was really impressed with the cover and wondered where I got it. I asked him if he remembered the hat he was wearing and he clearly had no idea what it even was.

After this group, Jeff Foskett and Tim Bonhomme brought some friends/family in to meet the guys (I took this opportunity to get my photo with Jeff and Tim). During photos with Jeff’s guest, Mike was ribbing him for selling meet and greets on the side to make a little extra money—that really cracked the room up. Finally, after all the guests got through, I got my photo with Mike and Bruce and handed my guitar off to be retrieved after the concert.

The theater was beautiful and it appeared to be sold out. Mike and Bruce both were strong vocally (I think they were coming of somewhat of an extended break) and the band was in absolute top form. The opening video was very high quality and basically spanned their career. I can’t remember what songs played, but some of the photos were animated (i.e. Pet Sounds photo with a giraffe walking behind, Mike smoking a pipe with smoke rising from the pipe, etc.). As for the intermission video, I believe it was set to “Pet Sounds” and was essentially a 60s era montage (i.e. lots of hippies, Vietnam scenes, etc.).

Thoughts on specific songs:
- Jeff and Brian doubled on Farmer’s Daughter. Last time I saw them, Brian did it solo.
- Jeff did a particularly strong version of Darlin’.
- The Pet Sounds set was very tastefully done. Mike had a lyric sheet on the stage for Here Today.
- As I previously stated, Bruce was in particularly strong voice for Disney Girls. Seemed his keyboard was audible for this song.
- Mike introduced All This Is That as a song he wrote with Al—one of several mentions during the night.
- Cowsill took the lead on California Dreamin—he sounded fine, so I don’t necessarily buy that Mike has taken the Rhonda vocal due to a sore throat…
- No special intro for Do You Wanna Dance, just straight into it without a mention of the Dennis lead vocal.
- As noted, Mike took the lead on Rhonda and I really didn’t mind it. IMO, preferable to Cowsill.
- Barbara Ann did not include the onstage party with fans, which made it bearable. I’ve always found that the most cringe worthy moment at past shows.

Other thoughts:
- Both the intro video and the intermission video were very well done. However, I don’t understand the use of some of the more modern music videos (i.e. Getcha Back, California Dreamin’, etc.). Best I can tell, they are not source quality, but ripped from YouTube. It wouldn’t bother me as much if they were better quality.
- I thought the addition of Randy Leago on sax, flute and percussion was a huge plus and hope he sticks with them for a while. He took a few breaks from stage when the songs didn’t call for his services. Very solid!
- Overall, just a really great experience and well worth the time spent on the road.


I wish I could have written this immediately following the show, but the late night and early wakeup Sunday morning necessitated the delay. I'm happy to answer any specific questions.

Thanks Marty Castillo. I'm going to have to check them out sometime soon. Took me a minute to figure out why they did California Dreamin. I'd forgotten about that.
What do you mean "Mike had a lyric sheet on stage for Here Today?" And, did Bruce react to the mustache comment?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 16, 2016, 06:02:37 PM
Marty,

I was there too but didn't do the meet and greet and your seats were much better than mine it looks like.

There was some sort of intro to Wanna Dance wasn't there, because I remember it was kind of odd to introduce a dance song directly after another dance song? I thought Mike mentioned Dennis but now I'm not sure, you are probably right because my memory isn't what it used to be and I kind of get swept along with the experience. I got a kick out of Cowsill's sort of homage to Dennis' style during the performance.

Cheers.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 16, 2016, 06:15:21 PM
I attended the May 14, 2016, Beach Boys concert in Kansas City. I drove down from Michigan specifically to see a theater show (as opposed to the outdoor amphitheater setting) and because a meet and greet opportunity was available.

The meet and greet was scheduled to begin approximately one hour before show time. About 50 people had purchased this package and most arrived between 6-6:15pm. I had reached out to the venue for specifics months in advance, of which they were of little help. I had a guitar already signed by Brian and Al and wanted to be sure I could bring it in (for Brian and Al, I had to take the pickguard off to stay within the small items requirement). Thankfully, someone from Mike’s social media reached out to me and made arrangements with the tour manager.

We were brought in the venue around 6:30pm and told that Mike and Bruce were on their way, but traffic had been a challenge. We were instructed that we would be brought in two separate groups of approximately 20-25 people. Once in a small backstage area, we were instructed to form a semi-circle and have our item ready to be signed. Surprisingly few people had come prepared with an item to be signed, most had their tickets signed, while I saw a couple of CD jackets. Mike and Bruce were both extremely nice and talkative. After they made their rounds, we were told to line up for photos. The tour manager asked me to wait until that brought everyone through, as she was going to store my guitar for me. So, I waited for the first group to finish, she then brought in the second group. For the second round, I pulled out a copy of the Rolling Stone cover. Bruce loved the RS cover and commented on Al’s goggles, I told him I loved his early-70s mustache. Mike was really impressed with the cover and wondered where I got it. I asked him if he remembered the hat he was wearing and he clearly had no idea what it even was.

After this group, Jeff Foskett and Tim Bonhomme brought some friends/family in to meet the guys (I took this opportunity to get my photo with Jeff and Tim). During photos with Jeff’s guest, Mike was ribbing him for selling meet and greets on the side to make a little extra money—that really cracked the room up. Finally, after all the guests got through, I got my photo with Mike and Bruce and handed my guitar off to be retrieved after the concert.

The theater was beautiful and it appeared to be sold out. Mike and Bruce both were strong vocally (I think they were coming of somewhat of an extended break) and the band was in absolute top form. The opening video was very high quality and basically spanned their career. I can’t remember what songs played, but some of the photos were animated (i.e. Pet Sounds photo with a giraffe walking behind, Mike smoking a pipe with smoke rising from the pipe, etc.). As for the intermission video, I believe it was set to “Pet Sounds” and was essentially a 60s era montage (i.e. lots of hippies, Vietnam scenes, etc.).

Thoughts on specific songs:
- Jeff and Brian doubled on Farmer’s Daughter. Last time I saw them, Brian did it solo.
- Jeff did a particularly strong version of Darlin’.
- The Pet Sounds set was very tastefully done. Mike had a lyric sheet on the stage for Here Today.
- As I previously stated, Bruce was in particularly strong voice for Disney Girls. Seemed his keyboard was audible for this song.
- Mike introduced All This Is That as a song he wrote with Al—one of several mentions during the night.
- Cowsill took the lead on California Dreamin—he sounded fine, so I don’t necessarily buy that Mike has taken the Rhonda vocal due to a sore throat…
- No special intro for Do You Wanna Dance, just straight into it without a mention of the Dennis lead vocal.
- As noted, Mike took the lead on Rhonda and I really didn’t mind it. IMO, preferable to Cowsill.
- Barbara Ann did not include the onstage party with fans, which made it bearable. I’ve always found that the most cringe worthy moment at past shows.

Other thoughts:
- Both the intro video and the intermission video were very well done. However, I don’t understand the use of some of the more modern music videos (i.e. Getcha Back, California Dreamin’, etc.). Best I can tell, they are not source quality, but ripped from YouTube. It wouldn’t bother me as much if they were better quality.
- I thought the addition of Randy Leago on sax, flute and percussion was a huge plus and hope he sticks with them for a while. He took a few breaks from stage when the songs didn’t call for his services. Very solid!
- Overall, just a really great experience and well worth the time spent on the road.


I wish I could have written this immediately following the show, but the late night and early wakeup Sunday morning necessitated the delay. I'm happy to answer any specific questions.

Thanks Marty Castillo. I'm going to have to check them out sometime soon. Took me a minute to figure out why they did California Dreamin. I'd forgotten about that.
What do you mean "Mike had a lyric sheet on stage for Here Today?" And, did Bruce react to the mustache comment?

During the intermission, one of the roadies taped down a white paper. I was in the front row, so I took a peak to see if the setlist had been changed, but it was the lyrics to Here Today. During the song, you could tell Mike took a couple glances.

Bruce let out a pretty good laugh about his mustache. Needless to say, I don't think it's coming back. You could tell both Mike and Bruce took pride in the cover of Rolling Stone. I think Bruce mentioned having saved a copy, while Mike reacted like he hadn't seen it in years (though I'm sure this was a put on).

Marty,

I was there too but didn't do the meet and greet and your seats were much better than mine it looks like.

There was some sort of intro to Wanna Dance wasn't there, because I remember it was kind of odd to introduce a dance song directly after another dance song? I thought Mike mentioned Dennis but now I'm not sure, you are probably right because my memory isn't what it used to be and I kind of get swept along with the experience. I got a kick out of Cowsill's sort of homage to Dennis' style during the performance.

Cheers.



Cam, I'm not sure if you are from the KC area, but it was my first visit. I took in the Friday Royals game and visited the Harry Truman Museum earlier on Saturday--mighty fine city and will have to take the whole family some day.

If there was an intro to Do You Wanna Dance, it was very brief and I missed it--certainly not, to the extent of the Carl tribute before GOK.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 16, 2016, 06:17:47 PM
A couple videos I shot at the show. My apologies for poor camera work, hard to be inconspicuous when you're front row.


Little Deuce Coupe and Little Honda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZSOYol5Yg


California Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U48IECnO7AQ


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 16, 2016, 06:31:59 PM

Cam, I'm not sure if you are from the KC area, but it was my first visit. I took in the Friday Royals game and visited the Harry Truman Museum earlier on Saturday--mighty fine city and will have to take the whole family some day.

If there was an intro to Do You Wanna Dance, it was very brief and I missed it--certainly not, to the extent of the Carl tribute before GOK.

I live in a small town about 45 miles south of the theater.

I remember it as Mike kind of made a stumbling speech bit out of it being a song about dance again but it was a brief introduction and not near the intro for Carl and GOK and I have the impression he mentioned Dennis but it could be a false memory and I couldn't swear to it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 16, 2016, 07:35:52 PM
A couple videos I shot at the show. My apologies for poor camera work, hard to be inconspicuous when you're front row.


Little Deuce Coupe and Little Honda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWZSOYol5Yg


California Girls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U48IECnO7AQ
Thanks. I got to see Bruce do one of his famous microphone adjustments! Amazing seats you had. I didn't mention, at the Brian show, Little Honda live really drives in a way I never noticed on the recording. Cool song.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: donald on May 16, 2016, 08:45:42 PM
I've always enjoyed seeing the Beach Boys Live and In Person.    fun.   fun.   fun.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: DC310 on May 16, 2016, 10:48:27 PM
This is my favorite touring version of the BBs since Carl passed and Al left.  By a lot.  Scott Totten doesn't get enough credit and the additions of Jeff F and Brian Eichenberger have raised the bar considerably for future touring iterations of The Beach Boys or "The Beach Boys" - however you look at it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 17, 2016, 05:21:02 AM
This is my favorite touring version of the BBs since Carl passed and Al left.  By a lot.  Scott Totten doesn't get enough credit and the additions of Jeff F and Brian Eichenberger have raised the bar considerably for future touring iterations of The Beach Boys or "The Beach Boys" - however you look at it.

They were great when I saw them this past summer with the addition of a sax/flute player and David Marks. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Dave in KC on May 17, 2016, 05:32:07 PM
I attended the May 14, 2016, Beach Boys concert in Kansas City. I drove down from Michigan specifically to see a theater show (as opposed to the outdoor amphitheater setting) and because a meet and greet opportunity was available.

The meet and greet was scheduled to begin approximately one hour before show time. About 50 people had purchased this package and most arrived between 6-6:15pm. I had reached out to the venue for specifics months in advance, of which they were of little help. I had a guitar already signed by Brian and Al and wanted to be sure I could bring it in (for Brian and Al, I had to take the pickguard off to stay within the small items requirement). Thankfully, someone from Mike’s social media reached out to me and made arrangements with the tour manager.

We were brought in the venue around 6:30pm and told that Mike and Bruce were on their way, but traffic had been a challenge. We were instructed that we would be brought in two separate groups of approximately 20-25 people. Once in a small backstage area, we were instructed to form a semi-circle and have our item ready to be signed. Surprisingly few people had come prepared with an item to be signed, most had their tickets signed, while I saw a couple of CD jackets. Mike and Bruce were both extremely nice and talkative. After they made their rounds, we were told to line up for photos. The tour manager asked me to wait until that brought everyone through, as she was going to store my guitar for me. So, I waited for the first group to finish, she then brought in the second group. For the second round, I pulled out a copy of the Rolling Stone cover. Bruce loved the RS cover and commented on Al’s goggles, I told him I loved his early-70s mustache. Mike was really impressed with the cover and wondered where I got it. I asked him if he remembered the hat he was wearing and he clearly had no idea what it even was.

After this group, Jeff Foskett and Tim Bonhomme brought some friends/family in to meet the guys (I took this opportunity to get my photo with Jeff and Tim). During photos with Jeff’s guest, Mike was ribbing him for selling meet and greets on the side to make a little extra money—that really cracked the room up. Finally, after all the guests got through, I got my photo with Mike and Bruce and handed my guitar off to be retrieved after the concert.

The theater was beautiful and it appeared to be sold out. Mike and Bruce both were strong vocally (I think they were coming of somewhat of an extended break) and the band was in absolute top form. The opening video was very high quality and basically spanned their career. I can’t remember what songs played, but some of the photos were animated (i.e. Pet Sounds photo with a giraffe walking behind, Mike smoking a pipe with smoke rising from the pipe, etc.). As for the intermission video, I believe it was set to “Pet Sounds” and was essentially a 60s era montage (i.e. lots of hippies, Vietnam scenes, etc.).

Thoughts on specific songs:
- Jeff and Brian doubled on Farmer’s Daughter. Last time I saw them, Brian did it solo.
- Jeff did a particularly strong version of Darlin’.
- The Pet Sounds set was very tastefully done. Mike had a lyric sheet on the stage for Here Today.
- As I previously stated, Bruce was in particularly strong voice for Disney Girls. Seemed his keyboard was audible for this song.
- Mike introduced All This Is That as a song he wrote with Al—one of several mentions during the night.
- Cowsill took the lead on California Dreamin—he sounded fine, so I don’t necessarily buy that Mike has taken the Rhonda vocal due to a sore throat…
- No special intro for Do You Wanna Dance, just straight into it without a mention of the Dennis lead vocal.
- As noted, Mike took the lead on Rhonda and I really didn’t mind it. IMO, preferable to Cowsill.
- Barbara Ann did not include the onstage party with fans, which made it bearable. I’ve always found that the most cringe worthy moment at past shows.

Other thoughts:
- Both the intro video and the intermission video were very well done. However, I don’t understand the use of some of the more modern music videos (i.e. Getcha Back, California Dreamin’, etc.). Best I can tell, they are not source quality, but ripped from YouTube. It wouldn’t bother me as much if they were better quality.
- I thought the addition of Randy Leago on sax, flute and percussion was a huge plus and hope he sticks with them for a while. He took a few breaks from stage when the songs didn’t call for his services. Very solid!
- Overall, just a really great experience and well worth the time spent on the road.


I wish I could have written this immediately following the show, but the late night and early wakeup Sunday morning necessitated the delay. I'm happy to answer any specific questions.

Thanks Marty Castillo. I'm going to have to check them out sometime soon. Took me a minute to figure out why they did California Dreamin. I'd forgotten about that.
What do you mean "Mike had a lyric sheet on stage for Here Today?" And, did Bruce react to the mustache comment?

During the intermission, one of the roadies taped down a white paper. I was in the front row, so I took a peak to see if the setlist had been changed, but it was the lyrics to Here Today. During the song, you could tell Mike took a couple glances.

Bruce let out a pretty good laugh about his mustache. Needless to say, I don't think it's coming back. You could tell both Mike and Bruce took pride in the cover of Rolling Stone. I think Bruce mentioned having saved a copy, while Mike reacted like he hadn't seen it in years (though I'm sure this was a put on).

Marty,

I was there too but didn't do the meet and greet and your seats were much better than mine it looks like.

There was some sort of intro to Wanna Dance wasn't there, because I remember it was kind of odd to introduce a dance song directly after another dance song? I thought Mike mentioned Dennis but now I'm not sure, you are probably right because my memory isn't what it used to be and I kind of get swept along with the experience. I got a kick out of Cowsill's sort of homage to Dennis' style during the performance.

Cheers.



Cam, I'm not sure if you are from the KC area, but it was my first visit. I took in the Friday Royals game and visited the Harry Truman Museum earlier on Saturday--mighty fine city and will have to take the whole family some day.

If there was an intro to Do You Wanna Dance, it was very brief and I missed it--certainly not, to the extent of the Carl tribute before GOK.

Marty, did you have any of our world famous BBQ? If so, where? None better. That theatre is magic. It used to be a movie house. Saw Jaws there the day it was released in the Summer of 1975. Was last there to see the Moody Blues.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on May 17, 2016, 05:35:53 PM
I attended the May 14, 2016, Beach Boys concert in Kansas City. I drove down from Michigan specifically to see a theater show (as opposed to the outdoor amphitheater setting) and because a meet and greet opportunity was available.

The meet and greet was scheduled to begin approximately one hour before show time. About 50 people had purchased this package and most arrived between 6-6:15pm. I had reached out to the venue for specifics months in advance, of which they were of little help. I had a guitar already signed by Brian and Al and wanted to be sure I could bring it in (for Brian and Al, I had to take the pickguard off to stay within the small items requirement). Thankfully, someone from Mike’s social media reached out to me and made arrangements with the tour manager.

We were brought in the venue around 6:30pm and told that Mike and Bruce were on their way, but traffic had been a challenge. We were instructed that we would be brought in two separate groups of approximately 20-25 people. Once in a small backstage area, we were instructed to form a semi-circle and have our item ready to be signed. Surprisingly few people had come prepared with an item to be signed, most had their tickets signed, while I saw a couple of CD jackets. Mike and Bruce were both extremely nice and talkative. After they made their rounds, we were told to line up for photos. The tour manager asked me to wait until that brought everyone through, as she was going to store my guitar for me. So, I waited for the first group to finish, she then brought in the second group. For the second round, I pulled out a copy of the Rolling Stone cover. Bruce loved the RS cover and commented on Al’s goggles, I told him I loved his early-70s mustache. Mike was really impressed with the cover and wondered where I got it. I asked him if he remembered the hat he was wearing and he clearly had no idea what it even was.

After this group, Jeff Foskett and Tim Bonhomme brought some friends/family in to meet the guys (I took this opportunity to get my photo with Jeff and Tim). During photos with Jeff’s guest, Mike was ribbing him for selling meet and greets on the side to make a little extra money—that really cracked the room up. Finally, after all the guests got through, I got my photo with Mike and Bruce and handed my guitar off to be retrieved after the concert.

The theater was beautiful and it appeared to be sold out. Mike and Bruce both were strong vocally (I think they were coming of somewhat of an extended break) and the band was in absolute top form. The opening video was very high quality and basically spanned their career. I can’t remember what songs played, but some of the photos were animated (i.e. Pet Sounds photo with a giraffe walking behind, Mike smoking a pipe with smoke rising from the pipe, etc.). As for the intermission video, I believe it was set to “Pet Sounds” and was essentially a 60s era montage (i.e. lots of hippies, Vietnam scenes, etc.).

Thoughts on specific songs:
- Jeff and Brian doubled on Farmer’s Daughter. Last time I saw them, Brian did it solo.
- Jeff did a particularly strong version of Darlin’.
- The Pet Sounds set was very tastefully done. Mike had a lyric sheet on the stage for Here Today.
- As I previously stated, Bruce was in particularly strong voice for Disney Girls. Seemed his keyboard was audible for this song.
- Mike introduced All This Is That as a song he wrote with Al—one of several mentions during the night.
- Cowsill took the lead on California Dreamin—he sounded fine, so I don’t necessarily buy that Mike has taken the Rhonda vocal due to a sore throat…
- No special intro for Do You Wanna Dance, just straight into it without a mention of the Dennis lead vocal.
- As noted, Mike took the lead on Rhonda and I really didn’t mind it. IMO, preferable to Cowsill.
- Barbara Ann did not include the onstage party with fans, which made it bearable. I’ve always found that the most cringe worthy moment at past shows.

Other thoughts:
- Both the intro video and the intermission video were very well done. However, I don’t understand the use of some of the more modern music videos (i.e. Getcha Back, California Dreamin’, etc.). Best I can tell, they are not source quality, but ripped from YouTube. It wouldn’t bother me as much if they were better quality.
- I thought the addition of Randy Leago on sax, flute and percussion was a huge plus and hope he sticks with them for a while. He took a few breaks from stage when the songs didn’t call for his services. Very solid!
- Overall, just a really great experience and well worth the time spent on the road.

Sounds like alot of fun! I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually feel like I'm warming up to the idea of attending a M&B show! :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 17, 2016, 05:59:09 PM
That theatre is magic. It used to be a movie house. Saw Jaws there the day it was released in the Summer of 1975.

So did I. An inebriated guy a few rows in front of us got sick from the opening scene and had to be helped out of the theater.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 18, 2016, 05:20:14 AM
I attended the May 14, 2016, Beach Boys concert in Kansas City. I drove down from Michigan specifically to see a theater show (as opposed to the outdoor amphitheater setting) and because a meet and greet opportunity was available.

The meet and greet was scheduled to begin approximately one hour before show time. About 50 people had purchased this package and most arrived between 6-6:15pm. I had reached out to the venue for specifics months in advance, of which they were of little help. I had a guitar already signed by Brian and Al and wanted to be sure I could bring it in (for Brian and Al, I had to take the pickguard off to stay within the small items requirement). Thankfully, someone from Mike’s social media reached out to me and made arrangements with the tour manager.

We were brought in the venue around 6:30pm and told that Mike and Bruce were on their way, but traffic had been a challenge. We were instructed that we would be brought in two separate groups of approximately 20-25 people. Once in a small backstage area, we were instructed to form a semi-circle and have our item ready to be signed. Surprisingly few people had come prepared with an item to be signed, most had their tickets signed, while I saw a couple of CD jackets. Mike and Bruce were both extremely nice and talkative. After they made their rounds, we were told to line up for photos. The tour manager asked me to wait until that brought everyone through, as she was going to store my guitar for me. So, I waited for the first group to finish, she then brought in the second group. For the second round, I pulled out a copy of the Rolling Stone cover. Bruce loved the RS cover and commented on Al’s goggles, I told him I loved his early-70s mustache. Mike was really impressed with the cover and wondered where I got it. I asked him if he remembered the hat he was wearing and he clearly had no idea what it even was.

After this group, Jeff Foskett and Tim Bonhomme brought some friends/family in to meet the guys (I took this opportunity to get my photo with Jeff and Tim). During photos with Jeff’s guest, Mike was ribbing him for selling meet and greets on the side to make a little extra money—that really cracked the room up. Finally, after all the guests got through, I got my photo with Mike and Bruce and handed my guitar off to be retrieved after the concert.

The theater was beautiful and it appeared to be sold out. Mike and Bruce both were strong vocally (I think they were coming of somewhat of an extended break) and the band was in absolute top form. The opening video was very high quality and basically spanned their career. I can’t remember what songs played, but some of the photos were animated (i.e. Pet Sounds photo with a giraffe walking behind, Mike smoking a pipe with smoke rising from the pipe, etc.). As for the intermission video, I believe it was set to “Pet Sounds” and was essentially a 60s era montage (i.e. lots of hippies, Vietnam scenes, etc.).

Thoughts on specific songs:
- Jeff and Brian doubled on Farmer’s Daughter. Last time I saw them, Brian did it solo.
- Jeff did a particularly strong version of Darlin’.
- The Pet Sounds set was very tastefully done. Mike had a lyric sheet on the stage for Here Today.
- As I previously stated, Bruce was in particularly strong voice for Disney Girls. Seemed his keyboard was audible for this song.
- Mike introduced All This Is That as a song he wrote with Al—one of several mentions during the night.
- Cowsill took the lead on California Dreamin—he sounded fine, so I don’t necessarily buy that Mike has taken the Rhonda vocal due to a sore throat…
- No special intro for Do You Wanna Dance, just straight into it without a mention of the Dennis lead vocal.
- As noted, Mike took the lead on Rhonda and I really didn’t mind it. IMO, preferable to Cowsill.
- Barbara Ann did not include the onstage party with fans, which made it bearable. I’ve always found that the most cringe worthy moment at past shows.

Other thoughts:
- Both the intro video and the intermission video were very well done. However, I don’t understand the use of some of the more modern music videos (i.e. Getcha Back, California Dreamin’, etc.). Best I can tell, they are not source quality, but ripped from YouTube. It wouldn’t bother me as much if they were better quality.
- I thought the addition of Randy Leago on sax, flute and percussion was a huge plus and hope he sticks with them for a while. He took a few breaks from stage when the songs didn’t call for his services. Very solid!
- Overall, just a really great experience and well worth the time spent on the road.

Sounds like alot of fun! I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually feel like I'm warming up to the idea of attending a M&B show! :lol

In all honestly, if you can make it to one, it's worth it. 

It may or may not truly be The Beach Boys, but it's a really good show. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Niko on May 18, 2016, 06:19:29 AM
As a solo presentation from Mike Love it's so much more incredible than you could ever expect from Mike Love. As a beach boys show it doesn't deliver for me. I saw a show in HK a few months ago and I've been so conflicted on what to say about it, because parts of it delivered by Mike were so convincing and well, whereas other parts were completely bot the beach boys. I wish it was just Mike love touring under his own name or something similar to the band.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emily on May 18, 2016, 06:29:19 AM
Just a quick PSA, if you've missed this thread in the Sandbox, please check it out: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/board,8.0.html


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 18, 2016, 09:29:04 AM
As a solo presentation from Mike Love it's so much more incredible than you could ever expect from Mike Love. As a beach boys show it doesn't deliver for me. I saw a show in HK a few months ago and I've been so conflicted on what to say about it, because parts of it delivered by Mike were so convincing and well, whereas other parts were completely bot the beach boys. I wish it was just Mike love touring under his own name or something similar to the band.

I wonder what would happen to Mike's reputation if Mike decided to say "After thinking about it long and hard, I think it's most appropriate to tour under the name 'The Mike Love Band' and to not use the full 'Beach Boys' name, unless it's with all the surviving members".

Can you imagine the amount of slack that fans would cut Mike for doing that? Lots. Granted, he'd make less money. I wonder: if he actually did that (fat chance, I know), would Brian and Al try to finagle the BB name for themselves? Or would the name just cease to exist as a touring entity?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 18, 2016, 09:32:40 AM
As a solo presentation from Mike Love it's so much more incredible than you could ever expect from Mike Love. As a beach boys show it doesn't deliver for me. I saw a show in HK a few months ago and I've been so conflicted on what to say about it, because parts of it delivered by Mike were so convincing and well, whereas other parts were completely bot the beach boys. I wish it was just Mike love touring under his own name or something similar to the band.

I wonder what would happen to Mike's reputation if Mike decided to say "After thinking about it long and hard, I think it's most appropriate to tour under the name 'The Mike Love Band' and to not use the full 'Beach Boys' name, unless it's with all the surviving members".

Can you imagine the amount of slack that fans would cut Mike for doing that? Lots. Granted, he'd make less money. I wonder: if he actually did that (fat chance, I know), would Brian and Al try to finagle the BB name for themselves? Or would the name just cease to exist as a touring entity?

I think if that happened, Brian and Al would let the band name fade into history.

I also think there's certain fans that will never cut Mike slack.  If he were to do such a thing, you'd hear, "He should've done this back in 1998!!"  Or after C50, or whenever. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 18, 2016, 10:10:07 AM
As a solo presentation from Mike Love it's so much more incredible than you could ever expect from Mike Love. As a beach boys show it doesn't deliver for me. I saw a show in HK a few months ago and I've been so conflicted on what to say about it, because parts of it delivered by Mike were so convincing and well, whereas other parts were completely bot the beach boys. I wish it was just Mike love touring under his own name or something similar to the band.

I wonder what would happen to Mike's reputation if Mike decided to say "After thinking about it long and hard, I think it's most appropriate to tour under the name 'The Mike Love Band' and to not use the full 'Beach Boys' name, unless it's with all the surviving members".

Can you imagine the amount of slack that fans would cut Mike for doing that? Lots. Granted, he'd make less money. I wonder: if he actually did that (fat chance, I know), would Brian and Al try to finagle the BB name for themselves? Or would the name just cease to exist as a touring entity?

I think if that happened, Brian and Al would let the band name fade into history.

I also think there's certain fans that will never cut Mike slack.  If he were to do such a thing, you'd hear, "He should've done this back in 1998!!"  Or after C50, or whenever.  

I think if Mike actually did do that, the complaining fans by and large would cut him slack, and think that he finally saw the light. Better late than never.

What would happen if Mike legally changed his own personal name from "Michael Edward Love" to "The Beach Boys"? In other words, people would address him by his new first name, "The" (Hi, The! Can I have your autograph?)... or alternately as "Mr. Boys". Would he still need a BRI license to tour as The Beach Boys, or could he just say that he's simply touring as his own name?  :) As ridiculous a question as it is, I am legitimately curious to know.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 18, 2016, 10:18:45 AM
As a solo presentation from Mike Love it's so much more incredible than you could ever expect from Mike Love. As a beach boys show it doesn't deliver for me. I saw a show in HK a few months ago and I've been so conflicted on what to say about it, because parts of it delivered by Mike were so convincing and well, whereas other parts were completely bot the beach boys. I wish it was just Mike love touring under his own name or something similar to the band.

I wonder what would happen to Mike's reputation if Mike decided to say "After thinking about it long and hard, I think it's most appropriate to tour under the name 'The Mike Love Band' and to not use the full 'Beach Boys' name, unless it's with all the surviving members".

Can you imagine the amount of slack that fans would cut Mike for doing that? Lots. Granted, he'd make less money. I wonder: if he actually did that (fat chance, I know), would Brian and Al try to finagle the BB name for themselves? Or would the name just cease to exist as a touring entity?

I think if that happened, Brian and Al would let the band name fade into history.

I also think there's certain fans that will never cut Mike slack.  If he were to do such a thing, you'd hear, "He should've done this back in 1998!!"  Or after C50, or whenever.  

I think if Mike actually did do that, the complaining fans by and large would cut him slack, and think that he finally saw the light. Better late than never.

What would happen if Mike legally changed his own personal name from "Michael Edward Love" to "The Beach Boys"? In other words, people would address him by his new first name, "The" (Hi, The! Can I have your autograph?)... or alternately as "Mr. Boys". Would he still need a BRI license to tour as The Beach Boys, or could he just say that he's simply touring as his own name?  :) As ridiculous a question as it is, I am legitimately curious to know.

I think you're right in that the majority of fans would cut Mike slack if that happened. 

But there's still a few folks who wouldn't give Mike Love credit if he cured cancer, balanced the Federal Budget, wiped out poverty, homelessness, & hunger, and rid the world of terrorism. 

If Mike did all that, you'd still get, "well good for myke luhv, but SIP still sucks." 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 18, 2016, 10:28:25 AM
As a solo presentation from Mike Love it's so much more incredible than you could ever expect from Mike Love. As a beach boys show it doesn't deliver for me. I saw a show in HK a few months ago and I've been so conflicted on what to say about it, because parts of it delivered by Mike were so convincing and well, whereas other parts were completely bot the beach boys. I wish it was just Mike love touring under his own name or something similar to the band.

I wonder what would happen to Mike's reputation if Mike decided to say "After thinking about it long and hard, I think it's most appropriate to tour under the name 'The Mike Love Band' and to not use the full 'Beach Boys' name, unless it's with all the surviving members".

Can you imagine the amount of slack that fans would cut Mike for doing that? Lots. Granted, he'd make less money. I wonder: if he actually did that (fat chance, I know), would Brian and Al try to finagle the BB name for themselves? Or would the name just cease to exist as a touring entity?

I think if that happened, Brian and Al would let the band name fade into history.

I also think there's certain fans that will never cut Mike slack.  If he were to do such a thing, you'd hear, "He should've done this back in 1998!!"  Or after C50, or whenever.  

I think if Mike actually did do that, the complaining fans by and large would cut him slack, and think that he finally saw the light. Better late than never.

What would happen if Mike legally changed his own personal name from "Michael Edward Love" to "The Beach Boys"? In other words, people would address him by his new first name, "The" (Hi, The! Can I have your autograph?)... or alternately as "Mr. Boys". Would he still need a BRI license to tour as The Beach Boys, or could he just say that he's simply touring as his own name?  :) As ridiculous a question as it is, I am legitimately curious to know.

I think you're right in that the majority of fans would cut Mike slack if that happened.  

But there's still a few folks who wouldn't give Mike Love credit if he cured cancer, balanced the Federal Budget, wiped out poverty, homelessness, & hunger, and rid the world of terrorism.  

If Mike did all that, you'd still get, "well good for myke luhv, but SIP still sucks."  

I think the warm reception that Mike received at C50 showed that when Mike seemed to truly make an effort to heal old wounds, and to reunite in what initially from the outside appeared to be an action prioritizing the band's legacy above ego and petty differences, that far and away the vast majority of even Mike's biggest critics were ready to be respectful and happy to see him back in the context of the group unit.  That said, even at times where the future seems brightest in BB land, there will always be haters and people focusing on the bad stuff... not just about Mike, even about Brian... just like there were probably people talking about Smart Girls sucking right at the time The Smile Sessions finally was released.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 18, 2016, 10:30:11 AM
I doubt he would do it to needlessly appease the few hundred "fans" who are bothered about.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 18, 2016, 10:47:56 AM
I doubt he would do it needlessly appease the few hundred "fans" who are bothered about.

Well, I don't think that of the people who would want him to do it (if indeed it was ever something he'd even in a million years even entertain the notion of doing), that they'd want him to do it for reasons pertaining to "appeasing" fans. I think that mostly, the people who wish he would to do it would only want him to do it out of him potentially thinking, that truly in his heart, it is an appropriate thing to do, to use a term that Carl seemed to think was important to use and abide by. I also think your few hundred figure is low.

Plus... I'm legitimately a fan of Mike Love's talents, and I put no quotation marks around my fandom. To insinuate that anybody who is a fan of the band and of Mike's contributions to the band, but who has a problem with the name being used, needs to have quotation marks put around their fandom is basically saying they have to agree with every choice that a given band member makes, and no vocal criticism is allowed, ever, or else they are not a "true" fan. Which is ridiculous.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: jeffh on May 18, 2016, 10:48:25 AM
Yeah, most of the people going to the concert think they are seeing The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 18, 2016, 10:51:10 AM
Yeah, most of the people going to the concert think they are seeing The Beach Boys.


My friend made this very mistake several years back, during the M&B era (pre C50) and came away from the experience thinking that the band was pretty lame, and also thought they'd seen Brian Wilson perform with the band. This was a person without knowledge of any politics, and with no axe to grind.

Casual fans (even pretty big fans of the music, but people ignorant of the details of the lineup changes) are often being sold something other than they think they are seeing. And I can't understand how that's cool. It's not.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 18, 2016, 10:56:02 AM
I doubt he would do it needlessly appease the few hundred "fans" who are bothered about.

Well, I don't think most people who would want him to do it (if indeed it was ever something he'd even in a million years even entertain the notion of doing) for reasons pertaining to "appeasing" fans. I think that mostly, the people who wish he would to do it would only want him to do it out of him potentially thinking, that truly in his heart, it is an appropriate thing to do, to use a term that Carl seemed to think was important to use and abide by. I also think your few hundred figure is low.

Plus... I'm legitimately a fan of Mike Love's talents, and I put no quotation marks around my fandom. To insinuate that anybody who is a fan of the band and of Mike's contributions to the band, but who has a problem with the name being used, needs to have quotation marks put around their fandom is basically saying they have to agree with every choice that a given band member makes, and no vocal criticism is allowed, ever, or else they are not a "true" fan. Which is ridiculous.

I would put "fan" in quotations for any Beach Boys fan who wants to pretend that Mike's contributions to The Beach Boys were minimal. 

Criticize some of what the man says in print, his overly nasal delivery, the cheesy concert presentation and songs of the late 80s / early 90s, or the use of The Beach Boys banner.   I think one can do one or all of these things and still be a true fan. 

But to go back and say the Mike was somehow a lesser member of the group is not being a Beach Boys fan, it's that B-word that kinda sounds like those people who work at Starbucks. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on May 18, 2016, 10:59:48 AM
I doubt he would do it needlessly appease the few hundred "fans" who are bothered about.

Well, I don't think most people who would want him to do it (if indeed it was ever something he'd even in a million years even entertain the notion of doing) for reasons pertaining to "appeasing" fans. I think that mostly, the people who wish he would to do it would only want him to do it out of him potentially thinking, that truly in his heart, it is an appropriate thing to do, to use a term that Carl seemed to think was important to use and abide by. I also think your few hundred figure is low.

Plus... I'm legitimately a fan of Mike Love's talents, and I put no quotation marks around my fandom. To insinuate that anybody who is a fan of the band and of Mike's contributions to the band, but who has a problem with the name being used, needs to have quotation marks put around their fandom is basically saying they have to agree with every choice that a given band member makes, and no vocal criticism is allowed, ever, or else they are not a "true" fan. Which is ridiculous.

I would put "fan" in quotations for any Beach Boys fan who wants to pretend that Mike's contributions to The Beach Boys were minimal. 

Criticize some of what the man says in print, his overly nasal delivery, the cheesy concert presentation and songs of the late 80s / early 90s, or the use of The Beach Boys banner.   I think one can do one or all of these things and still be a true fan. 

But to go back and say the Mike was somehow a lesser member of the group is not being a Beach Boys fan, it's that B-word that kinda sounds like those people who work at Starbucks. 

Fair enough.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 18, 2016, 11:03:14 AM
I doubt he would do it needlessly appease the few hundred "fans" who are bothered about.

Well, I don't think most people who would want him to do it (if indeed it was ever something he'd even in a million years even entertain the notion of doing) for reasons pertaining to "appeasing" fans. I think that mostly, the people who wish he would to do it would only want him to do it out of him potentially thinking, that truly in his heart, it is an appropriate thing to do, to use a term that Carl seemed to think was important to use and abide by. I also think your few hundred figure is low.

Plus... I'm legitimately a fan of Mike Love's talents, and I put no quotation marks around my fandom. To insinuate that anybody who is a fan of the band and of Mike's contributions to the band, but who has a problem with the name being used, needs to have quotation marks put around their fandom is basically saying they have to agree with every choice that a given band member makes, and no vocal criticism is allowed, ever, or else they are not a "true" fan. Which is ridiculous.

I would put "fan" in quotations for any Beach Boys fan who wants to pretend that Mike's contributions to The Beach Boys were minimal. 

Criticize some of what the man says in print, his overly nasal delivery, the cheesy concert presentation and songs of the late 80s / early 90s, or the use of The Beach Boys banner.   I think one can do one or all of these things and still be a true fan. 

But to go back and say the Mike was somehow a lesser member of the group is not being a Beach Boys fan, it's that B-word that kinda sounds like those people who work at Starbucks. 

Fair enough.

Wasn't really directed at you, CD, just a general rant about some of the posts seen on this and other BB related boards. 



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 18, 2016, 03:16:15 PM
I doubt he would do it needlessly appease the few hundred "fans" who are bothered about.

Well, I don't think most people who would want him to do it (if indeed it was ever something he'd even in a million years even entertain the notion of doing) for reasons pertaining to "appeasing" fans. I think that mostly, the people who wish he would to do it would only want him to do it out of him potentially thinking, that truly in his heart, it is an appropriate thing to do, to use a term that Carl seemed to think was important to use and abide by. I also think your few hundred figure is low.

Plus... I'm legitimately a fan of Mike Love's talents, and I put no quotation marks around my fandom. To insinuate that anybody who is a fan of the band and of Mike's contributions to the band, but who has a problem with the name being used, needs to have quotation marks put around their fandom is basically saying they have to agree with every choice that a given band member makes, and no vocal criticism is allowed, ever, or else they are not a "true" fan. Which is ridiculous.

+1


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 19, 2016, 09:28:22 AM
I'm noticing a lot of cover songs in the later part of the recent M&B shows.

Do You Wanna Dance
Rock and Roll Music
Then I Kissed Her
Barbara Ann


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: drbeachboy on May 19, 2016, 09:41:00 AM
I'm noticing a lot of cover songs in the later part of the recent M&B shows.

Do You Wanna Dance
Rock and Roll Music
Then I Kissed Her
Barbara Ann
Well, they did have hits with 3 of them. You have a hit with it, then it becomes yours. Even on the radio, I rarely hear the Regents version of Barbara Ann. It is always the Beach Boys version that is played.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 19, 2016, 10:25:23 AM
I'm noticing a lot of cover songs in the later part of the recent M&B shows.

Do You Wanna Dance
Rock and Roll Music
Then I Kissed Her
Barbara Ann
Well, they did have hits with 3 of them. You have a hit with it, then it becomes yours. Even on the radio, I rarely hear the Regents version of Barbara Ann. It is always the Beach Boys version that is played.

I know these were all BB hits.  I was just a little surprised to see them kinda bunched together at the end. 

And I'm still trying to figure out how their studio version of Rock and Roll Music became a hit.  Maybe it was a well known song, buy a well known band.  Or their first new release since the massively popular Endless Summer. 

But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.  And it sets the stage for a fairly mediocre album. 

Luckily, it actually has a lot more energy in concert, much like Barbara Ann. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: drbeachboy on May 19, 2016, 11:29:24 AM
I'm noticing a lot of cover songs in the later part of the recent M&B shows.

Do You Wanna Dance
Rock and Roll Music
Then I Kissed Her
Barbara Ann
Well, they did have hits with 3 of them. You have a hit with it, then it becomes yours. Even on the radio, I rarely hear the Regents version of Barbara Ann. It is always the Beach Boys version that is played.

I know these were all BB hits.  I was just a little surprised to see them kinda bunched together at the end.  

And I'm still trying to figure out how their studio version of Rock and Roll Music became a hit.  Maybe it was a well known song, buy a well known band.  Or their first new release since the massively popular Endless Summer.  

But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.  And it sets the stage for a fairly mediocre album.  

Luckily, it actually has a lot more energy in concert, much like Barbara Ann.  
Showing my age here, but it did come through punchier on AM radio. There is something to be said for the single car radio speaker.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Steve Latshaw on May 19, 2016, 11:36:15 AM
<<But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.>>

The single mix has some serious punch.  And I think the MIC 'faders up" mix ranks with the best of their rock & roll covers, second only to Do You Wanna Dance.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 19, 2016, 11:42:48 AM
<<But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.>>

The single mix has some serious punch.  And I think the MIC 'faders up" mix ranks with the best of their rock & roll covers, second only to Do You Wanna Dance.

I think the single mix is an improvement. 

But I'll still stick with Chuck Berry or The Beatles. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: drbeachboy on May 19, 2016, 01:34:37 PM
<<But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.>>

The single mix has some serious punch.  And I think the MIC 'faders up" mix ranks with the best of their rock & roll covers, second only to Do You Wanna Dance.

I think the single mix is an improvement. 

But I'll still stick with Chuck Berry or The Beatles. 
The live version is probably their best. It rocked during the C50 Tour.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 19, 2016, 01:37:12 PM
<<But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.>>

The single mix has some serious punch.  And I think the MIC 'faders up" mix ranks with the best of their rock & roll covers, second only to Do You Wanna Dance.

I think the single mix is an improvement. 

But I'll still stick with Chuck Berry or The Beatles. 
The live version is probably their best. It rocked during the C50 Tour.

Yeah, it really does spring to life in the living setting. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ruskalupagus on May 21, 2016, 06:15:14 AM
I saw M&B last night and I have to say, it felt like they'd stepped up their game since the last time I saw them.

When I saw them last year it was pretty obvious they were playing with a lot of prerecorded tracks but yesterday, as far as I could tell, it was mostly, if not all, done live on stage.

The addition of the woodwind/brass player really helped fill the band out and they sounded great. Their set was focused more on mid to late 60's songs and they didn't dwell on the surf and car stuff for nearly as long as I'm used to. Mike didn't ramble too much and sounded good (except for his lead on Help Me Rhonda... I feel like Bruce or Jeff should take that one). Bruce was participating more, he took several leads, played some audible keyboard parts and talked to the audience. I was disappointed that their Pet Sounds portion of the show wasn't as exciting as I've seen them doing some other nights. They started it off by turning the stage lights out and playing the audio track to "Pet Sounds" (were we supposed to think they were playing it?) into Sloop John B, Wouldn't It Be Nice and then the Carl Wilson led God Only Knows.

It was nice seeing them end their main set with Good Vibrations, that song is so good and so powerful it always seemed odd they'd play anything after it, it's the perfect closer.

Overall good show, though I would have liked to see them do some more deep cuts. A few nights earlier they did Here Today, All This is That and Disney Girls '67... I was really hoping to hear those!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 21, 2016, 06:24:20 AM
<<But, personally, I think the studio version of Rock and Roll Music is pretty lifeless.>>

The single mix has some serious punch.  And I think the MIC 'faders up" mix ranks with the best of their rock & roll covers, second only to Do You Wanna Dance.

I think the single mix is an improvement.  

But I'll still stick with Chuck Berry or The Beatles.  


I'm not a particular fan of R&RM but I agree, it sounds better live imo.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 21, 2016, 12:08:14 PM
I saw M&B last night and I have to say, it felt like they'd stepped up their game since the last time I saw them.

When I saw them last year it was pretty obvious they were playing with a lot of prerecorded tracks but yesterday, as far as I could tell, it was mostly, if not all, done live on stage.

The addition of the woodwind/brass player really helped fill the band out and they sounded great. Their set was focused more on mid to late 60's songs and they didn't dwell on the surf and car stuff for nearly as long as I'm used to. Mike didn't ramble too much and sounded good (except for his lead on Help Me Rhonda... I feel like Bruce or Jeff should take that one). Bruce was participating more, he took several leads, played some audible keyboard parts and talked to the audience. I was disappointed that their Pet Sounds portion of the show wasn't as exciting as I've seen them doing some other nights. They started it off by turning the stage lights out and playing the audio track to "Pet Sounds" (were we supposed to think they were playing it?) into Sloop John B, Wouldn't It Be Nice and then the Carl Wilson led God Only Knows.

It was nice seeing them end their main set with Good Vibrations, that song is so good and so powerful it always seemed odd they'd play anything after it, it's the perfect closer.

Overall good show, though I would have liked to see them do some more deep cuts. A few nights earlier they did Here Today, All This is That and Disney Girls '67... I was really hoping to hear those!

I'm not sure what made you think they were playing with prerecorded tracks last year, but other than Carl's and Dennis' vocals on the tributes, and maybe the opening note on Sloop John B, everything is performed live.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ruskalupagus on May 21, 2016, 12:47:27 PM

I'm not sure what made you think they were playing with prerecorded tracks last year, but other than Carl's and Dennis' vocals on the tributes, and maybe the opening note on Sloop John B, everything is performed live.

I guess I could be wrong but there were parts during some Pet Sounds tracks where there was audibly keyboard and strings/horns and Bruce wasn't playing anything and there was only one other keyboard player so I couldnt figure out where else it was coming from. It didn't sound like one of those guitar synth pedals I've used those before and they don't sound that good.  Also during Good Vibrations I couldn't figure out where the tannerin sound was coming from as both keyboard players appeared to be playing chords.

I'm not trying to disparage them if they did, some of those songs have complicated arrangements and can't easily be pulled off by a 7 or 8 piece band.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: lastofmykind on May 21, 2016, 02:55:57 PM
Timmy def plays the theremin part on his korg triton pro.  i looked at some youtube video just double check.  Look at his right hand at the 1:15 mark of the video. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMXwiJfTF9o


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: gfac22 on May 22, 2016, 05:11:56 AM
Interesting that Mike is still singing the lead on Rhonda.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Tony S on May 22, 2016, 05:41:02 AM
I always sort of felt that Mike was kind of ticked that he didn't sing the lead on Rhonda....one of the real audience participation numbers. Maybe even moreso during the 50th reunion, when Al brought the house down with it every night.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on May 22, 2016, 05:57:31 AM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before? 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 22, 2016, 07:54:54 AM
I always sort of felt that Mike was kind of ticked that he didn't sing the lead on Rhonda....one of the real audience participation numbers. Maybe even moreso during the 50th reunion, when Al brought the house down with it every night.

So ticked that Mike waited 32 years and then an additional 15 years plus another additional 4 more years to get his revenge.  ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on May 22, 2016, 08:16:06 AM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before? 

Phil Bardowell from 1998-2000, John Cowsill from 2000-2015.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Tony S on May 22, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
Chill Cam....ticked in that he didn't have the opportunity to sing it originally, not ticked as in ticked off angry at anyone in particular.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Cam Mott on May 22, 2016, 01:13:07 PM
Chill Cam....ticked in that he didn't have the opportunity to sing it originally, not ticked as in ticked off angry at anyone in particular.

My apologies. Duly noted.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 22, 2016, 06:10:40 PM
I forgot to mention that I contacted the new sax, flute, etc. guy, Randy Leago, following the Kansas City concert just to let him know how much I appreciated his contributions. I mentioned that I would be taking my family to the show in Grand Rapids on August 21, and hoped he would still be with the Beach Boys at that point. His response:

"I'm really enjoying my time with the Beach Boys and hoping it will last through 2016 and beyond, I know I have the Grand Rapids show on my calendar. "


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on May 22, 2016, 06:55:54 PM
Mike sounds ok on the lead based on what I have heard on youtube. Not his best , not his worst.  It's just Mike sings 30 other songs.  The BB have always shared leads and it was nice to see that continue.  I personally am a huge fan of John Cowsill's singing so i personally will miss him doing that lead. Seems like they chopped a few of his leads recently.  Not sure why. I would say the same for Brian, wish he would float Al a few more leads too.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on May 22, 2016, 07:21:49 PM
I forgot to mention that I contacted the new sax, flute, etc. guy, Randy Leago, following the Kansas City concert just to let him know how much I appreciated his contributions. I mentioned that I would be taking my family to the show in Grand Rapids on August 21, and hoped he would still be with the Beach Boys at that point. His response:

"I'm really enjoying my time with the Beach Boys and hoping it will last through 2016 and beyond, I know I have the Grand Rapids show on my calendar. "

That's very good to hear as that hopefully means he'll be at the Cincinnati show on August 17th.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 23, 2016, 10:46:10 AM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before? 

Phil Bardowell from 1998-2000, John Cowsill from 2000-2015.

Also, during the very short period of time in 1998 after Al was gone, but while Matt Jardine was still in the band, he (Matt) sang Rhonda.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on May 23, 2016, 10:36:25 PM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before?  

Phil Bardowell from 1998-2000, John Cowsill from 2000-2015.

Also, during the very short period of time in 1998 after Al was gone, but while Matt Jardine was still in the band, he (Matt) sang Rhonda.

Thanks guys!  I also like the alternation between voices in the BB's, and generally prefer there to be more, even if it isn't BB's singing. Mike singing 30 songs might be a bit much.  More Bruce would be good, but yeah, more Cowsill and Totten too.  

I also liked the fact that Al, Blondie, Matt and Darian all got leads in the recent BW show I saw...  it seemed pretty generous to Al overall (Rhonda, Wake the World, Honkin', Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, I Know There's an Answer, Then I Kissed Her, Sloop John B, etc.) but I still would have liked to hear more--for example, no idea why Brian sings the entire Add Your Music by himself, and personally think that Al, not Matt should sing WIBN.  


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on May 24, 2016, 06:21:29 AM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before?  

Phil Bardowell from 1998-2000, John Cowsill from 2000-2015.

Also, during the very short period of time in 1998 after Al was gone, but while Matt Jardine was still in the band, he (Matt) sang Rhonda.

Thanks guys!  I also like the alternation between voices in the BB's, and generally prefer there to be more, even if it isn't BB's singing. Mike singing 30 songs might be a bit much.  More Bruce would be good, but yeah, more Cowsill and Totten too.  

I also liked the fact that Al, Blondie, Matt and Darian all got leads in the recent BW show I saw...  it seemed pretty generous to Al overall (Rhonda, Wake the World, Honkin', Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, I Know There's an Answer, Then I Kissed Her, Sloop John B, etc.) but I still would have liked to hear more--for example, no idea why Brian sings the entire Add Your Music by himself, and personally think that Al, not Matt should sing WIBN.  

I'd love to hear Al sing as many leads as possible, but you always have to keep in mind that it's a "Brian Wilson" show, with the others as guests. Considering that, Al and Blondie (and Matt) get a nice chunk of leads.

I'm of a mixed mind when it comes to others singing lead. I think it adds to the show when an actual BB is singing lead. When it gets into backing band members singing lead, I think it's a more dicey situation. On the one hand, it might lead to a deep cut being played, and a nice, young, fresh voice singing. On the other hand, it's not a Beach Boy singing. So I think I prefer to see that kept to a minimum. I think Mike's band skews too far in that direction, even though it results in some interesting song selections that certainly Mike isn't going to sing (often Brian-centric songs). I think C50 had a good balance, with backing guys just doing a few bits. Similarly, other than Darian singing a song, Brian's band is mostly Beach Boys singing, along with Matt Jardine, who I think is one of the small, select group of near "defacto Beach Boys" from his 90s tenure, a classification that in my mind also includes Billy Hinsche and Jeff Foskett during their tenures.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: DC310 on May 25, 2016, 02:35:57 PM
Who was singing the lead on 'Rhonda' in the Mike and Bruce show before? 

Phil Bardowell from 1998-2000, John Cowsill from 2000-2015.

Also, during the very short period of time in 1998 after Al was gone, but while Matt Jardine was still in the band, he (Matt) sang Rhonda.

Chris Farmer also sang Rhonda sometimes when he was with the band.  Or at least once that I saw live.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on May 27, 2016, 02:17:44 AM
50 Years Of Good Vibrations tour dates announced.

http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=824782

May 29 – Washington, D.C., West Lawn @ U.S. Capitol
June 17 – Pala, Calif., Pala Starlight Theatre
June 18 – Lincoln, Calif., Outdoor Amphitheatre At Thunder Valley
June 23 – Layton, Utah, Kenley Amphitheatre
June 24 – Layton, Utah, Kenley Amphitheatre
June 25 – Fountain Hills, Ariz., Fort McDowell Casino
June 26 – Arcadia, Calif., The Arboretum And Botanic Garden
June 29 – St. John’s, Newfoundland & Labrador, Canada, Mile One Centre
June 30 – Liverpool, Nova Scotia, Canada, Queens Place Emera Centre
July 1 – Truro, Nova Scotia, Canada, Rath Eastlink Community Centre
July 4 – Brooklyn, N.Y., The Amphitheatre At Coney Island Boardwalk
July 6 – White Plains, N.Y., Westchester County Center
July 7 – Portland, Maine, Maine State Pier
July 8 – Hampton Beach, N.H., Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom
July 9 – Boston, Mass., The Wilbur
July 10 – Webster, Mass., Indian Ranch
July 11 – Ocean City, N.J., Ocean City Music Pier
July 12 – Ocean City, N.J., Ocean City Music Pier
July 13 – Wilmington, Del., Grand Opera House
July 14 – Selbyville, Del., Freeman Stage At Bayside
July 15 – Bethel, N.Y., Bethel Woods Center For The Arts
July 16 – Ocean Grove, N.J., The Great Auditorium
July 17 – Bethlehem, Pa., Sands Bethlehem Event Center
July 18 – Lancaster, Pa., American Music Theatre
July 19 – Washington, D.C., Concert Hall
July 21 – Sylvania, Ohio, Centennial Terrace
July 27 – Saginaw, Mich., FirstMerit Bank Event Park
July 29 – Fredericksburg, Va., Marks & Harrison Amphitheatre
Aug. 5 – Aurora, Ill., RiverEdge Park
Aug. 6 – Duluth, Minn., AMSOIL Arena
Aug. 7 – Minneapolis, Minn., State Theatre
Aug. 8 – Sioux Falls, S.D., W.H. Lyon Fairgrounds
Aug. 11 – Lincoln, Neb., Pinewood Bowl Theatre
Aug. 12 – Cedar Rapids, Iowa, McGrath Amphitheatre
Aug. 13 – Lac du Flambeau, Wis., Lake Of The Torches Resort Casino
Aug. 14 – West Allis, Wis., Wisconsin State Fair Grandstand (Wisconsin State Fair)
Aug. 16 – Cleveland, Ohio, Jacobs Pavilion At Nautica
Aug. 17 – Cincinnati, Ohio, PNC Pavilion At Riverbend
Aug. 18 – Huber Heights, Ohio, Rose Music Center At The Heights
Aug. 19 – Indianapolis, Ind., Farm Bureau Insurance Lawn At White River State Park
Aug. 20 – Sterling Heights, Mich., Freedom Hill Amphitheatre
Aug. 21 – Grand Rapids, Mich., Frederik Meijer Gardens & Sculpture Park
Sept. 9 – Bakersfield, Calif., Bright House Networks Amphitheatre       
Sept. 11 – Saratoga, Calif., The Mountain Winery
Sept. 29 – Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada, Niagara Fallsview Casino Resort
Sept. 30 – Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada, Niagara Fallsview Casino Resort
Oct. 1 – Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada, Niagara Fallsview Casino Resort
Oct. 2 – Greensburg, Pa., Palace Theatre
Oct. 4 – San Antonio, Texas, Majestic Theatre
Oct. 5 – Stafford, Texas, Stafford Centre
Oct. 7 – Biloxi, Miss., Beau Rivage Resort & Casino
Oct. 8 – Biloxi, Miss., Beau Rivage Resort & Casino
Nov. 17 – Santa Rosa, Calif., Luther Burbank Center For The Arts
Nov. 18 – Stockton, Calif., Bob Hope Theatre
Nov. 19 – Thousand Oaks, Calif., Fred Kavli Theatre
Nov. 20 – Palm Desert, Calif., McCallum Theatre
Dec. 5 – Lawrence, Kan., Lied Center Of Kansas
Dec. 11 – Avon Park, Fla., Alan Jay Wildstein Center For The Performing Arts
Dec. 12 – Sarasota, Fla., Van Wezel Perf. Arts Hall
Dec. 13 – Clearwater, Fla., Ruth Eckerd Hall
Dec. 14 – Fort Myers, Fla., Barbara B. Mann Perf. Arts Hall
Dec. 15 – Miami, Fla., Knight Concert Hall - Arsht Center
Dec. 16 – West Palm Beach, Fla., Dreyfoos Hall
Dec. 17 – The Villages, Fla., Sharon L. Morse Performing Arts Center
Dec. 18 – The Villages, Fla., Sharon L. Morse Performing Arts Center


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 27, 2016, 05:21:08 AM
Only one show near me, and I'm out of town that week.   

Oh well, already saw them in February, and I'm seeing Brian twice (that'll be six BB related shows in two calendar years). 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on May 27, 2016, 06:07:13 AM
Okay, they've put the annual  early October shows in Biloxi. Will probably go to one of those, as I assume they might have some different songs from when I saw them in March.

So over a year's period would have seen Mike/Bruce twice, Brian and Al, 3, maybe 4 times

And 2 bios released. Should be interesting to say the least


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 27, 2016, 06:17:16 AM
Okay, they've put the annual  early October shows in Biloxi. Will probably go to one of those, as I assume they might have some different songs from when I saw them in March.

So over a year's period would have seen Mike/Bruce twice, Brian and Al, 3, maybe 4 times

And 2 bios released. Should be interesting to say the least

Sure has been a interesting five year period or so, hasn't it?  With C50, TWGMTR, several M&B and Brian tours, Love and Mercy, NPP, and now the books coming out.

It really is a good time to be a fan.  Let's enjoy it now, because this kind of activity is not likely to last much longer. 

Also a reminder, Mike and Bruce will be on PBS Sunday night for the DC Memorial Day Concert.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on May 27, 2016, 07:08:24 AM
I'll be painting most of the day Sunday which raises the problem of whether to watch myKe & br00th or watch the paint dry. Both are about as intriguing.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on May 27, 2016, 07:23:21 AM
Okay, they've put the annual  early October shows in Biloxi. Will probably go to one of those, as I assume they might have some different songs from when I saw them in March.

So over a year's period would have seen Mike/Bruce twice, Brian and Al, 3, maybe 4 times

And 2 bios released. Should be interesting to say the least

I think they'll at least have the extra Pet Sounds songs they've been playing. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: STE on May 27, 2016, 07:47:23 AM
50 Years Of Good Vibrations tour dates announced.

http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=824782


Oct. 7 – Biloxi, Miss., Beau Rivage Resort & Casino
Oct. 8 – Biloxi, Miss., Beau Rivage Resort & Casino
Nov. 17 – Santa Rosa, Calif., Luther Burbank Center For The Arts
Nov. 18 – Stockton, Calif., Bob Hope Theatre



There's still hope for an European leg in October/November then, cool







Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: NOLA BB Fan on May 27, 2016, 08:05:34 AM
Yeah, they're probably still adding dates. The Biloxi dates weren't listed yet a week or so ago


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Rocker on May 27, 2016, 09:44:07 AM
Hope this wasn't posted before. Mike&Bruce - "Caroline no" in Honk Kong 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbGdfIDXnIQ


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Tony S on May 29, 2016, 06:16:15 AM
Fosket does an acceptable job with a great tune....really miss the times when Carl would perform it live in the later years.....nobody sings it live like Carl Wilson.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Rocker on May 29, 2016, 01:24:56 PM
The Beach Boys bring their own meaning to the National Memorial Day Concert

http://www.yourtvlink.com/the-beach-boys-bring-their-own-meaning-to-the-national-memorial-day-concert


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Mayoman on May 29, 2016, 01:43:06 PM
Anyone know what time M&B will be on tonight?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: the professor on May 29, 2016, 01:49:13 PM
the show is on 8pm (not live in LA) and runs for 1.5 hours, so the BB , as headliners, likely are on in the middle.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: beatle608 on May 29, 2016, 02:01:37 PM
Hope this wasn't posted before. Mike&Bruce - "Caroline no" in Honk Kong 2016

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbGdfIDXnIQ

Wow, that kick is super loud in the mix. It was nothing like this when I saw them do it a couple weeks ago. It was much better.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: DC310 on May 29, 2016, 06:49:55 PM
You can watch the live stream here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTNNU7qzcWc

And reverse it to the Beach Boys set.  Jeff sounds great on GV lead.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: DC310 on May 29, 2016, 06:55:31 PM
Upon further review, it seems that much if not all of this is prerecorded.  Bummer.  Mike is swimming in autotune.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Lee Marshall on May 29, 2016, 07:04:18 PM
They did really well at the Memorial Day show.  Jeff nailed Good Vibes.  As good as I have EVER heard him sing.  Mike was, indeed, swimming in something which enhanced his vocals.  [Why not?]  'They' continue to honour the music while, away from the stage, Mike continues to trash the brand.  Such a waste.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on May 29, 2016, 07:06:42 PM
I DVR'd the National Memorial Day Concert and just finished watching. I'm pretty sure the tracks were pre-recorded and both Jeff and Mike had processed vocals. I didn't hear Bruce in the mix at all. They were the only band on the bill, so maybe this was out of necessity??? All the other singers were backed by the National Symphony Orchestra. I didn't watch the entire special, but the crowd seemed a little subdued and only warmed up, in my opinion, during Surfin' U.S.A.

Here was the set:

Good Vibrations
California Girls (abbreviated) --->
Sloop John B (abbreviated) --->
Wouldn't It Be Nice (abbreviated)
Surfin' U.S.A.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The Cincinnati Kid on May 29, 2016, 07:12:47 PM
Agree with the above post, but on Surfin USA it seemed like the auto tune was dropped.  That sounded very nice. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: the professor on May 29, 2016, 09:16:52 PM
Oh poor Mike said "diversity" instead of "adversity" while making a poignant point about BB music comforting the soldiers in Viet Nam. So sorry to see him make this slip; his heart was in the right place. He never falters like that, and I hope that few noticed.

It all sounded pre-recorded and none the better for it. The orchestra pre-recorded too? I don't know how they do that.  Surfin USA was the best--I wept. . . . .can't wait for school to be over. . . .

Would have been so much more meaningful with Dave, Al, and Brian. . . .but still is was the BB, asserting their place in history as the bringers of endless joy in all troubled times, times of war, woe and sadness


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Rocker on May 30, 2016, 12:38:00 AM
The Beach Boys make waves at National Memorial Day Concert rehearsal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDXydmvhfVE



Stars Honor Memorial Day in Capitol Concert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnYPUOskWQ






Both recorded from the audience:


Beach Boys at the Memorial Day concert dress rehearsal part of their performance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFZWXOmwUHc




Beach Boys - Good Vibrations 2016


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfj2D52eLtk


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Rocker on May 30, 2016, 01:59:27 PM
Mike&Bruce - You still believe in me
Live in Honk Kong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meNvG44ljrc


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on June 01, 2016, 07:25:06 PM
Looks like Mike and Bruce are offering VIP meet & greets for the rest of the tour--some interesting merch included in the package:

https://mikelove.com/shop/


Also, from the main page, could a reissue of "Looking Back With Love" be on the way:

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee92/mbriev16/Mikes%20shop_zpslly0sg5z.jpg)


I have to say, the last two M&B shows had a terrible selection of merch, hoping some new items are on the way in the coming months.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: 18thofMay on June 01, 2016, 07:25:59 PM
Hat looks good!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on June 01, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
Looks like Mike and Bruce are offering VIP meet & greets for the rest of the tour--some interesting merch included in the package:

https://mikelove.com/shop/


Also, from the main page, could a reissue of "Looking Back With Love" be on the way:

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee92/mbriev16/Mikes%20shop_zpslly0sg5z.jpg)


I have to say, the last two M&B shows had a terrible selection of merch, hoping some new items are on the way in the coming months.

A re-issue of a complete flop?  :lol :lol Has that been done before. Thought so.  :o


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on June 01, 2016, 07:37:54 PM
Looks like Mike and Bruce are offering VIP meet & greets for the rest of the tour--some interesting merch included in the package:

https://mikelove.com/shop/


Also, from the main page, could a reissue of "Looking Back With Love" be on the way:

(http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee92/mbriev16/Mikes%20shop_zpslly0sg5z.jpg)


I have to say, the last two M&B shows had a terrible selection of merch, hoping some new items are on the way in the coming months.

Whoah! Embrace the LBWL, Mike! "Teach Me, Tonight" has some surprisingly listenable moments! 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on June 02, 2016, 09:01:23 AM
What a rip...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: srv1303 on June 02, 2016, 10:06:04 AM
They will be playing a charity event for Best Buddies at the Hearst Castle on September 10th.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: jeremylr on June 02, 2016, 10:50:13 AM
Neat to learn that Rolling Stone associate editor Andy Greene wrote the following on Twitter today: "Midway though the Monkees show at Town Hall [located in Manhattan, New York City] last night I realized the old guy in front of me was Mike Love. Odd to see him in that context.....I presumed Mike Love would have nothing but disdain towards the Monkees, but he stayed until the encores. He was on his phone a lot though."

https://twitter.com/greeneandy/status/738341288236441600 (https://twitter.com/greeneandy/status/738341288236441600)

https://twitter.com/greeneandy/status/738347905988333568 (https://twitter.com/greeneandy/status/738347905988333568)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on June 02, 2016, 11:02:38 AM
I'd imagine Mike likes the Monkees  ???

I see some uninformed idiot replied on twitter about how the Beach Boys & Monkees didn't write their own songs


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on June 02, 2016, 11:50:53 AM
Why would anyone think Mike would have any disdain for The Monkees?

This isn't a dig on Mike, but he tours with John Stamos, has had Mr. T on stage, has recorded with Status Quo and the Fat Boys, and so on. Why would The Monkees somehow be beneath him?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 02, 2016, 05:39:34 PM
Well the Monkees are f#@king great.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: STE on July 04, 2016, 01:14:45 PM


Some recent clips recorded directly from the stage:

Catch A Wave: https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE (https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE)
You Still Believe In Me:  https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30 (https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30)



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 04, 2016, 08:40:08 PM


Some recent clips recorded directly from the stage:

Catch A Wave: https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE (https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE)
You Still Believe In Me:  https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30 (https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30)



Very wobbly vocals from Mike...very shrill vocals ruining it from Jeff...and a VERY dead crowd......


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: acedecade75 on July 04, 2016, 09:42:31 PM


Some recent clips recorded directly from the stage:

Catch A Wave: https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE (https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE)
You Still Believe In Me:  https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30 (https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30)



 Does anyone know who the saxophone player is?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Christian on July 04, 2016, 10:26:13 PM


Some recent clips recorded directly from the stage:

Catch A Wave: https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE (https://youtu.be/m6zpnf0WfAE)
You Still Believe In Me:  https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30 (https://youtu.be/dPRQ_7-HC30)



 Does anyone know who the saxophone player is?

Randy Leago

https://www.facebook.com/RandyLeagoMusic/?fref=nf


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on July 05, 2016, 02:55:24 PM
Catch A Wave sounds pretty good to me. YSBIM is not my style. The phrasing sounds a little too formal, like I'm listening to an opera singer. It's phrased differently than Brian and Al would ever sing it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 06, 2016, 07:08:34 AM
Even some presumable Mike fans on Facebook are calling a bit of BS on an article he linked to that references a Beach Boys concert performance of "Forever" as the "classic Full House song."

It's obviously all semantics (or, the author really doesn't know it's a Beach Boys song), but it's a bit like saying Billy Joel sometimes covers the theme for "Bosom Buddies" at his shows.....

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/beach-boys-pet-sounds-50th-anniversary-concert-highlights/story?id=40347042&cid=share_facebook_widget


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 06, 2016, 09:59:04 AM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 06, 2016, 11:08:14 AM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o

In all honesty, I'd rather see Summer in Paradise than Goin to the Beach. 

And I'm with you about retiring Pisces Brothers.   The two times I've seen Mike and Bruce in the last year, that song grinded the concert to a halt. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on July 06, 2016, 11:23:47 AM
If you really want to see it grind to a halt, Pisces Brothers followed by Cool Head after an incredible small set of rarities last summer is your winner. For whatever reason they have practically all but eliminated Cowsill's lead vocals. What does he have left? California Dreamin? I'm not sure whether that was his call or Mike's but it's a darn shame I love his voice.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 06, 2016, 11:44:50 AM
If you really want to see it grind to a halt, Pisces Brothers followed by Cool Head after an incredible small set of rarities last summer is your winner. For whatever reason they have practically all but eliminated Cowsill's lead vocals. What does he have left? California Dreamin? I'm not sure whether that was his call or Mike's but it's a darn shame I love his voice.

I think you'll have as good a chance of having Mike retire Pisces Brothers as you will of Mike stopping to repeatedly tell the story about going to India with The Beatles. I don't think he can resist the low-hanging "respect" fruit of trying to get an interviewer to think he is cool because of a puffed-up Beatles connection.

But I hope he keeps playing Cool Head, because that's a solid song.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 06, 2016, 07:32:44 PM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o

In all honesty, I'd rather see Summer in Paradise than Goin to the Beach. 

And I'm with you about retiring Pisces Brothers.   The two times I've seen Mike and Bruce in the last year, that song grinded the concert to a halt. 

Looking at the Coney Island set, the could have done two classics to fill those spots that I'm sure would've kept the pace going that more people would be familiar with. "Don't Back Down" could easily replace "Summer in Paradise". "Pisces Brothers" being more of a ballad (I use that loosely) could be replaced by "Kiss Me Baby", "Please Let Me Wonder" etc. songs more people know, albeit not everybody.

There are two songs that have never worked in concert of all the times I've seen any configuration of the band: Pisces Brothers & All This is That.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: nybbfan1 on July 06, 2016, 11:38:30 PM
Saw M&B earlier tonight in White Plains NY.  Kind of an awkward venue - more like a big high school gym than a concert hall, but the acoustics worked surprisingly well on loud, fast rockers.   Give Mike credit:  he was in great form for most of the night.  He was off-key a few times - mostly on opening notes -  but he was mostly terrific and seemed pumped up by having Stamos on stage, who played on nearly every song, splitting time between guitar and drums.  Stamos was solid and appropriate;  the opposite of his intrusive presence at the 50th show in NYC back in 2012.  Band was excellent:  Foskett killed with Darlin, great with Caroline No, and most of his falsettos.  Someone was off frequently on the harmonies, but not sure if it was Bruce or Mike.  Totten was impressive throughout and I love Cowsil's drumming, although he took off a few sets off so Stamos could take over.   Stamos sounded a bit weak on Forever, which may be b/c it was the 15th anniversary of his Dad's death, which he announced in dedicating the song.   Bruce just doesn't have the wind anyone to hold notes but he was mostly on key and made a valiant touching effort with Disney Girls.   The sax/flute guy had several stand-out solos.  Main sour note was a really strange semi-slur gay remark by Mike referring to some Stamos role.   But overall, Mike was in good humor and got the mostly "older" audience moving.   Interesting that among tributes to Carl and Dennis and George Harrison, Mike never once mentioned the name "Brian" (or Al).  I thought it was amazing he didn't once credit the guy who wrote almost all those hits he performs.  But all the promo clips made sure we know that Mike's autobio is coming out!  Makes me wonder if Brian will appear in that book. 
What is the story with Pisces Brothers?  Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?  Why the hell isn't he writing a song about his bond with his cousins instead of George, whom I doubt he socialized with frequently.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 07, 2016, 05:19:29 AM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o

In all honesty, I'd rather see Summer in Paradise than Goin to the Beach. 

And I'm with you about retiring Pisces Brothers.   The two times I've seen Mike and Bruce in the last year, that song grinded the concert to a halt. 

Looking at the Coney Island set, the could have done two classics to fill those spots that I'm sure would've kept the pace going that more people would be familiar with. "Don't Back Down" could easily replace "Summer in Paradise". "Pisces Brothers" being more of a ballad (I use that loosely) could be replaced by "Kiss Me Baby", "Please Let Me Wonder" etc. songs more people know, albeit not everybody.

There are two songs that have never worked in concert of all the times I've seen any configuration of the band: Pisces Brothers & All This is That.

I've seen All This is That done twice. 

The first time was at the C50 show at Merriweather Post.  I was in the lawn, and most of the crowd spent that song talking among themselves.

The next time was in February of this year in Baltimore, and the crowd was either attentively listening, or not paying attention. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 07, 2016, 05:20:43 AM
Saw M&B earlier tonight in White Plains NY.  Kind of an awkward venue - more like a big high school gym than a concert hall, but the acoustics worked surprisingly well on loud, fast rockers.   Give Mike credit:  he was in great form for most of the night.  He was off-key a few times - mostly on opening notes -  but he was mostly terrific and seemed pumped up by having Stamos on stage, who played on nearly every song, splitting time between guitar and drums.  Stamos was solid and appropriate;  the opposite of his intrusive presence at the 50th show in NYC back in 2012.  Band was excellent:  Foskett killed with Darlin, great with Caroline No, and most of his falsettos.  Someone was off frequently on the harmonies, but not sure if it was Bruce or Mike.  Totten was impressive throughout and I love Cowsil's drumming, although he took off a few sets off so Stamos could take over.   Stamos sounded a bit weak on Forever, which may be b/c it was the 15th anniversary of his Dad's death, which he announced in dedicating the song.   Bruce just doesn't have the wind anyone to hold notes but he was mostly on key and made a valiant touching effort with Disney Girls.   The sax/flute guy had several stand-out solos.  Main sour note was a really strange semi-slur gay remark by Mike referring to some Stamos role.   But overall, Mike was in good humor and got the mostly "older" audience moving.   Interesting that among tributes to Carl and Dennis and George Harrison, Mike never once mentioned the name "Brian" (or Al).  I thought it was amazing he didn't once credit the guy who wrote almost all those hits he performs.  But all the promo clips made sure we know that Mike's autobio is coming out!  Makes me wonder if Brian will appear in that book. 
What is the story with Pisces Brothers?  Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?  Why the hell isn't he writing a song about his bond with his cousins instead of George, whom I doubt he socialized with frequently.

Mentioning Brian seems to depend on the day.  When I saw M&B (and David) last August, he mentioned "Cousin Brian" several times.  But this past February, he didn't once.  I think he did mention Al when he introduced All This is That.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 07, 2016, 06:56:04 AM
Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?  

Not that I've ever heard of. Other than both of them being in India in 1968, I've never heard of any connection or ongoing relationship. I think there's a photo of Mike and George in the same frame from circa 1971 or so (they both have their long early 70s beards). But there's almost no record of George ever uttering the name "Beach Boys", let alone Mike.

George mentioned the Beach Boys' name during an "Anthology" interview in describing "Paperback Writer" and it's layered vocals. That's the only time I can think of, certainly post-60s, where George even mentioned the band.

I think it's pretty well established that Paul was the main guy that was into Brian and the BBs, and even then it was pretty confined to a few albums/eras, mainly "Pet Sounds."

Paul did tell a funny story about Mike in India in 1968 in, I believe, the "authorized" Barry Miles biography. Paul mentions that Mike would go into town and buy tons and tons of batteries and stuff like that and then sell the stuff to the people at the Maharishi compound, essentially becoming a vendor.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 07, 2016, 08:21:01 AM
Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?  

Not that I've ever heard of. Other than both of them being in India in 1968, I've never heard of any connection or ongoing relationship. I think there's a photo of Mike and George in the same frame from circa 1971 or so (they both having their long early 70s beards). But there's almost no record of George ever uttering the name "Beach Boys", let alone Mike.

George mentioned the Beach Boys' name during an "Anthology" interview in describing "Paperback Writer" and it's layered vocals. That's the only time I can think of, certainly post-60s, where George even mentioned the band.

I think it's pretty well established that Paul was the main guy that was into Brian and the BBs, and even then it was pretty confined to a few albums/eras, mainly "Pet Sounds."

Paul did tell a funny story about Mike in India in 1968 in, I believe, the "authorized" Barry Miles biography. Paul mentions that Mike would go into town and buy tons and tons of batteries and stuff like that and then sell the stuff to the people at the Maharishi compound, essentially becoming a vendor.

That sounds highly believable and consistent with myKe luHv's abnormal behavior pattern with or without TM. If the Beatles did anything related to luHv it was probably in the form of a snarky laugh at the luHvster's expense.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 07, 2016, 09:25:19 AM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o

In all honesty, I'd rather see Summer in Paradise than Goin to the Beach. 

And I'm with you about retiring Pisces Brothers.   The two times I've seen Mike and Bruce in the last year, that song grinded the concert to a halt. 

Looking at the Coney Island set, the could have done two classics to fill those spots that I'm sure would've kept the pace going that more people would be familiar with. "Don't Back Down" could easily replace "Summer in Paradise". "Pisces Brothers" being more of a ballad (I use that loosely) could be replaced by "Kiss Me Baby", "Please Let Me Wonder" etc. songs more people know, albeit not everybody.

There are two songs that have never worked in concert of all the times I've seen any configuration of the band: Pisces Brothers & All This is That.

I've seen All This is That done twice. 

The first time was at the C50 show at Merriweather Post.  I was in the lawn, and most of the crowd spent that song talking among themselves.

The next time was in February of this year in Baltimore, and the crowd was either attentively listening, or not paying attention. 

I was in the second row for both those shows and the reactions were exactly as you describe. I've also heard it once at the American Music Theatre, whose majority age is well over 75 and probably don't own any post Pet Sounds material.

HeyJude- forgot about that ML story with the batteries...absolutely hilarious  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 07, 2016, 09:49:12 AM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o

In all honesty, I'd rather see Summer in Paradise than Goin to the Beach. 

And I'm with you about retiring Pisces Brothers.   The two times I've seen Mike and Bruce in the last year, that song grinded the concert to a halt. 

Looking at the Coney Island set, the could have done two classics to fill those spots that I'm sure would've kept the pace going that more people would be familiar with. "Don't Back Down" could easily replace "Summer in Paradise". "Pisces Brothers" being more of a ballad (I use that loosely) could be replaced by "Kiss Me Baby", "Please Let Me Wonder" etc. songs more people know, albeit not everybody.

There are two songs that have never worked in concert of all the times I've seen any configuration of the band: Pisces Brothers & All This is That.

I've seen All This is That done twice. 

The first time was at the C50 show at Merriweather Post.  I was in the lawn, and most of the crowd spent that song talking among themselves.

The next time was in February of this year in Baltimore, and the crowd was either attentively listening, or not paying attention. 

I was in the second row for both those shows and the reactions were exactly as you describe. I've also heard it once at the American Music Theatre, whose majority age is well over 75 and probably don't own any post Pet Sounds material.

HeyJude- forgot about that ML story with the batteries...absolutely hilarious  :lol

I was in the 2nd row at the Lyric too.   For a good portion of the second half, the crowd seemed pretty dead.  I suspect that's why All I Wanna Do was dropped. 

They sure got up for Barbara Ann though. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 07, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 07, 2016, 10:00:50 AM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.


Spot on. Mike is incredibly guilty of this.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 10, 2016, 03:37:30 PM
Well I'm quite pleased to see Mike & Bruce debuting a new "Pet Sounds" set this summer they started playing varying assortments of the following this week:

-I'm Waiting For The Day
-Here Today
-You Still Believe in Me
-Sloop John B
-Wouldn't it Be Nice
-Caroline, No
-God Only Knows

I won't listen to any clips until I see them on 7/19 with the NSO...but I really hope that someone can convince Mike to sing "That's Not Me" by then. It's really the only other song on the album I'd like to hear this album tackle...plus, how many lead vocal tracks does Mike have remaining that he hasn't EVER sang live? And this is one of the good ones!  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 11, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."

The current live shows are so different from the 60's and 70's.  Those earlier years had fans who "digested whole," any new albums so they could, as you say, "knock them out - one after another." They cannot do that now, as the younger part of the audience who did not hear the music first-hand in that era for those album cuts, is still on a learning curve.  We were not.  We could hear a chord and recognize right-off-the-bat what it was.  It would not be fair to "knock them out" in that same manner with no explanation, especially for the younger fans.   Both Brian and Mike appear to appreciate that they are playing for fans who did not hear the music within a generational context.  Of course, some songs still get "knocked out" and need no introduction because they are ingrained as a part of the culture. Some do.   

It required no introduction or explanation or concept description in that time. Brian does a lot of that kind of teaching, which might appear redundant to some but not lost on newer fans who are learning the catalog.  Having seen Brian only a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that both bands are almost alter egos of one another in terms of the teaching part of the performances.  And the Touring Band's new video is quite self-explanatory during the Pet Sounds instrumental track, in a section of stills/video, where Brian's image is superimposed on whatever event (whether Vietnam or some world-changing event's story) was being told "photographically."   ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 11, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."


I don't know what to say if an observation that you don't like or agree with amounts to criticism. And frankly, even if it *is* criticism, so what? What's wrong with criticism? Twenty years on the internet and thousands of posts and threads on this board, and someone still has to explain that criticism is okay on a discussion board?

I'm not off the mark at all; I've attended dozens and dozens of concerts over decades, and I've listened to recordings (and viewed videos) of probably hundreds of BB shows, and even more when we're talking about other bands. I've seen this phenomenon occur with the BBs and other artists/bands.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 11, 2016, 10:14:06 AM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.


Spot on. Mike is incredibly guilty of this.

And several of the guys are guilty of the "apologizing" thing. I get why they did it, and I'm sure a "bleh" response from an audience seems more intense when you're on stage and it's 15,000 people or something.

So I get why the band over the years were sort of pre-conditioned to think "new" stuff (whether actual new songs or deep cuts) won't go over well with the audience.

But I've literally heard some of the guys actually apologize to the audience. I'm not a PR expert, but I'd think any good band manager would tell a band that it doesn't speak to your confidence if you apologize for singing one of your songs, or "thanking" the audience for having the patience to sit through a new one.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 11, 2016, 12:42:56 PM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."


I don't know what to say if an observation that you don't like or agree with amounts to criticism. And frankly, even if it *is* criticism, so what? What's wrong with criticism? Twenty years on the internet and thousands of posts and threads on this board, and someone still has to explain that criticism is okay on a discussion board?

I'm not off the mark at all; I've attended dozens and dozens of concerts over decades, and I've listened to recordings (and viewed videos) of probably hundreds of BB shows, and even more when we're talking about other bands. I've seen this phenomenon occur with the BBs and other artists/bands.
Hey Jude - if you say that it is an observation but it has a critical tone, the observation (which should be a neutral fact-based event) becomes not just an observation. Point is there was a criticism with doing an "intro" or giving the "backstory" of a song.  A live concert is a "teaching opportunity" in my book, and I have seen a couple of hundred BB/BW shows, live and have listened to many live recordings. Giving a backstory whether it is from Brian or Mike or Carl, giving a backstory to Dennis' Forever (or whatever) is the time for them to be the music professor and the audience is their class.   Otherwise there would be little interaction and communication sharing, especially for those who are new to the game. 

New stuff is on a learning curve as well, especially if they are doing stuff for the first or second time and are apologizing in advance if they flub a note or lyric, that the audience should understand if it is being played live for the first or second time.   ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 11, 2016, 01:02:11 PM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."


I don't know what to say if an observation that you don't like or agree with amounts to criticism. And frankly, even if it *is* criticism, so what? What's wrong with criticism? Twenty years on the internet and thousands of posts and threads on this board, and someone still has to explain that criticism is okay on a discussion board?

I'm not off the mark at all; I've attended dozens and dozens of concerts over decades, and I've listened to recordings (and viewed videos) of probably hundreds of BB shows, and even more when we're talking about other bands. I've seen this phenomenon occur with the BBs and other artists/bands.
Hey Jude - if you say that it is an observation but it has a critical tone, the observation (which should be a neutral fact-based event) becomes not just an observation. Point is there was a criticism with doing an "intro" or giving the "backstory" of a song.  A live concert is a "teaching opportunity" in my book, and I have seen a couple of hundred BB/BW shows, live and have listened to many live recordings. Giving a backstory whether it is from Brian or Mike or Carl, giving a backstory to Dennis' Forever (or whatever) is the time for them to be the music professor and the audience is their class.   Otherwise there would be little interaction and communication sharing, especially for those who are new to the game. 

New stuff is on a learning curve as well, especially if they are doing stuff for the first or second time and are apologizing in advance if they flub a note or lyric, that the audience should understand if it is being played live for the first or second time.   ;)

If you want to continue to be argumentative about an extremely *simple* observation, then I can't stop you. An observation doesn't stop being an observation because it can be construed as critical or negative by you.

My original post was actually from a somewhat objective point of view, a bit of advice I would offer any band when I've seen how their talking bits vis-ŕ-vis audience reaction goes. Talking for a few minutes before "Pisces Brothers" *doesn't* help anything, in my opinion (OBVIOUSLY). A quick "this is a song I wrote in tribute to George" wouldn't make much difference. But extended talking interludes have almost always hindered rather than helped Beach Boys shows (and most other shows), regardless of which member is talking. It just so happens that Mike has of course been the most vocal member over the years as the frontman.

And I'm talking about pre-planned intros to songs and things of that nature, as opposed to impromptu bits reacting to audience members, which can *sometimes* be engaging.

Many would argue that live concerts as a general point are not "teaching opportunities" beyond playing the music itself (outside of actual musical seminars, etc.), and the Beach Boys individually and collectively have NEVER used their shows as a teaching opportunity for the most part outside of playing the music. They have rarely offered anything substantive to say at shows. Carl dedicating a song to Dennis, or to the audience, etc., those sorts of things are fine and welcomed and take mere seconds. But typically, when it gets into the minute-plus stage of uninterrupted talking, it's often lame (lame jokes, the "we're old" stuff, or lame singalong bits going back to stuff like "Country Pie" etc.) and has sometimes consisted of apologizing or making excuses for the song they're about to play, or that they've just played. Mike I would argue has even undercut the validity of lyrics to songs on stage, making fun of the lyrics of "Heroes and Villains" during the '93 boxed set tour (and I'm sure others will say his "we're still trying to figure out what the song was about" comment is just a little joke).

The spoken word interludes during shows serve a variety of purposes, and my original point was simply that the type of person that goes to a concert will often find that a somewhat "slow" or "tedious" experience of a slower, unknown song that cuts the momentum of a setlist is only *further* enhanced by a long prefacing story.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on July 11, 2016, 01:15:51 PM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."


I don't know what to say if an observation that you don't like or agree with amounts to criticism. And frankly, even if it *is* criticism, so what? What's wrong with criticism? Twenty years on the internet and thousands of posts and threads on this board, and someone still has to explain that criticism is okay on a discussion board?

I'm not off the mark at all; I've attended dozens and dozens of concerts over decades, and I've listened to recordings (and viewed videos) of probably hundreds of BB shows, and even more when we're talking about other bands. I've seen this phenomenon occur with the BBs and other artists/bands.
Hey Jude - if you say that it is an observation but it has a critical tone, the observation (which should be a neutral fact-based event) becomes not just an observation. Point is there was a criticism with doing an "intro" or giving the "backstory" of a song.  A live concert is a "teaching opportunity" in my book, and I have seen a couple of hundred BB/BW shows, live and have listened to many live recordings. Giving a backstory whether it is from Brian or Mike or Carl, giving a backstory to Dennis' Forever (or whatever) is the time for them to be the music professor and the audience is their class.   Otherwise there would be little interaction and communication sharing, especially for those who are new to the game. 

New stuff is on a learning curve as well, especially if they are doing stuff for the first or second time and are apologizing in advance if they flub a note or lyric, that the audience should understand if it is being played live for the first or second time.   ;)

If you want to continue to be argumentative about an extremely *simple* observation, then I can't stop you. An observation doesn't stop being an observation because it can be construed as critical or negative by you.

My original post was actually from a somewhat objective point of view, a bit of advice I would offer any band when I've seen how their talking bits vis-ŕ-vis audience reaction goes. Talking for a few minutes before "Pisces Brothers" *doesn't* help anything, in my opinion (OBVIOUSLY). A quick "this is a song I wrote in tribute to George" wouldn't make much difference. But extended talking interludes have almost always hindered rather than helped Beach Boys shows (and most other shows), regardless of which member is talking. It just so happens that Mike has of course been the most vocal member over the years as the frontman.

And I'm talking about pre-planned intros to songs and things of that nature, as opposed to impromptu bits reacting to audience members, which can *sometimes* be engaging.

Many would argue that live concerts as a general point are not "teaching opportunities" beyond playing the music itself (outside of actual musical seminars, etc.), and the Beach Boys individually and collectively have NEVER used their shows as a teaching opportunity for the most part outside of playing the music. They have rarely offered anything substantive to say at shows. Carl dedicating a song to Dennis, or to the audience, etc., those sorts of things are fine and welcomed and take mere seconds. But typically, when it gets into the minute-plus stage of uninterrupted talking, it's often lame (lame jokes, the "we're old" stuff, or lame singalong bits going back to stuff like "Country Pie" etc.) and has sometimes consisted of apologizing or making excuses for the song they're about to play, or that they've just played. Mike I would argue has even undercut the validity of lyrics to songs on stage, making fun of the lyrics of "Heroes and Villains" during the '93 boxed set tour (and I'm sure others will say his "we're still trying to figure out what the song was about" comment is just a little joke).

The spoken word interludes during shows serve a variety of purposes, and my original point was simply that the type of person that goes to a concert will often find that a somewhat "slow" or "tedious" experience of a slower, unknown song that cuts the momentum of a setlist is only *further* enhanced by a long prefacing story.


You could talk for a few hours and it wouldn't help that song....sorry I couldn't resist :)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 11, 2016, 02:54:04 PM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."


I don't know what to say if an observation that you don't like or agree with amounts to criticism. And frankly, even if it *is* criticism, so what? What's wrong with criticism? Twenty years on the internet and thousands of posts and threads on this board, and someone still has to explain that criticism is okay on a discussion board?

I'm not off the mark at all; I've attended dozens and dozens of concerts over decades, and I've listened to recordings (and viewed videos) of probably hundreds of BB shows, and even more when we're talking about other bands. I've seen this phenomenon occur with the BBs and other artists/bands.
Hey Jude - if you say that it is an observation but it has a critical tone, the observation (which should be a neutral fact-based event) becomes not just an observation. Point is there was a criticism with doing an "intro" or giving the "backstory" of a song.  A live concert is a "teaching opportunity" in my book, and I have seen a couple of hundred BB/BW shows, live and have listened to many live recordings. Giving a backstory whether it is from Brian or Mike or Carl, giving a backstory to Dennis' Forever (or whatever) is the time for them to be the music professor and the audience is their class.   Otherwise there would be little interaction and communication sharing, especially for those who are new to the game.  

New stuff is on a learning curve as well, especially if they are doing stuff for the first or second time and are apologizing in advance if they flub a note or lyric, that the audience should understand if it is being played live for the first or second time.   ;)

If you want to continue to be argumentative about an extremely *simple* observation, then I can't stop you. An observation doesn't stop being an observation because it can be construed as critical or negative by you.

My original post was actually from a somewhat objective point of view, a bit of advice I would offer any band when I've seen how their talking bits vis-ŕ-vis audience reaction goes. Talking for a few minutes before "Pisces Brothers" *doesn't* help anything, in my opinion (OBVIOUSLY). A quick "this is a song I wrote in tribute to George" wouldn't make much difference. But extended talking interludes have almost always hindered rather than helped Beach Boys shows (and most other shows), regardless of which member is talking. It just so happens that Mike has of course been the most vocal member over the years as the frontman.

And I'm talking about pre-planned intros to songs and things of that nature, as opposed to impromptu bits reacting to audience members, which can *sometimes* be engaging.

Many would argue that live concerts as a general point are not "teaching opportunities" beyond playing the music itself (outside of actual musical seminars, etc.), and the Beach Boys individually and collectively have NEVER used their shows as a teaching opportunity for the most part outside of playing the music. They have rarely offered anything substantive to say at shows. Carl dedicating a song to Dennis, or to the audience, etc., those sorts of things are fine and welcomed and take mere seconds. But typically, when it gets into the minute-plus stage of uninterrupted talking, it's often lame (lame jokes, the "we're old" stuff, or lame singalong bits going back to stuff like "Country Pie" etc.) and has sometimes consisted of apologizing or making excuses for the song they're about to play, or that they've just played. Mike I would argue has even undercut the validity of lyrics to songs on stage, making fun of the lyrics of "Heroes and Villains" during the '93 boxed set tour (and I'm sure others will say his "we're still trying to figure out what the song was about" comment is just a little joke).

The spoken word interludes during shows serve a variety of purposes, and my original point was simply that the type of person that goes to a concert will often find that a somewhat "slow" or "tedious" experience of a slower, unknown song that cuts the momentum of a setlist is only *further* enhanced by a long prefacing story.

When a Beach Boy writes a tribute to a Beatle, and performs it at a BB concert, it does beg a back story.  As contemporaries in the music business in the same remote region with The Maharishi, it is not insignificant. Even if there was no "close relationship"- the nexus is first, a birthday within the same astrological sign, spent away from home, and second, some shared commonality in that small but high-profile group in India at that time.  It is like camp.  You often make friends in camp that, in that moment are close but when camp is over, you go back to your old friends but fondly retain that snapshot of that window of time.  

The audience does need an explanation.  And, as well with the Summer in Paradise "scarf/shawl" as an awareness-raising moment to encourage social responsibility for the environment, and in particular the ability for underdeveloped regions to have drinking water that is clean.  

You don't like Mike and that is apparent.  It would not matter what he did, it would be wrong in some manner.  It is not up to fans to decide how a song is intro'd especially when they are responsible for the genesis of the song.  What appears long-winded or tedious, to one, may be received by another to be instructive.  What 20 year old knows who the Maharishi is, and that the whole band was photographed multiple times in his company, including Brian, and started a tour with him. The Maharishi was a snapshot in that window of their career.  And, that 20 year old BB fan should know the backstory as it is somewhat essential to understand that body of work associated with his influence.  ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 11, 2016, 03:20:57 PM
Mike is educating the audience on what happens when you drive out two founding members of the band and the chance to set things right in 2012.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: nybbfan1 on July 11, 2016, 04:27:40 PM
This is a very general observation that may only sometimes pertain to Mike, but I think sometimes doing “deep cuts” or other lesser-known songs is hindered by excessive pre-song explanations/stories, etc. Over the years, the Beach Boys didn’t tend to tell long stories or explanations before the big hits. They would typically knock them out one after the other. So sometimes it’s almost a semi-subconscious “tell” to the audience when a song is preceded by a long monologue. If a band just goes straight into starting the song, then the audience hasn’t already been sort of tipped off that this might be one of the “beer break” songs.

Looking at past BB shows over the years, it’s often deep cuts (“All This is That”, huge sections of the "GV Boxed Set" set in 1993), new album tracks (“this one is off of our new album….”), or unreleased (or released in a very low key fashion) songs (“Country Pie”, “Cool Head”, “Pisces Brothers”) that get the big long preamble.

Many bands, especially old fogey bands/artists that want to do new stuff but know the audience wants “the hits”, will overcompensate and “pre-apologize” for doing new stuff or deep cuts. Just shut up and play the song! That won’t make more people “know” the song, but it might not predispose them to not be interested.

Hey Jude - I think you are way off-the-mark and here is why.  There is a fine line between an "observation" and a "criticism."

The current live shows are so different from the 60's and 70's.  Those earlier years had fans who "digested whole," any new albums so they could, as you say, "knock them out - one after another." They cannot do that now, as the younger part of the audience who did not hear the music first-hand in that era for those album cuts, is still on a learning curve.  We were not.  We could hear a chord and recognize right-off-the-bat what it was.  It would not be fair to "knock them out" in that same manner with no explanation, especially for the younger fans.   Both Brian and Mike appear to appreciate that they are playing for fans who did not hear the music within a generational context.  Of course, some songs still get "knocked out" and need no introduction because they are ingrained as a part of the culture. Some do.   

It required no introduction or explanation or concept description in that time. Brian does a lot of that kind of teaching, which might appear redundant to some but not lost on newer fans who are learning the catalog.  Having seen Brian only a couple of weeks ago, I can tell you that both bands are almost alter egos of one another in terms of the teaching part of the performances.  And the Touring Band's new video is quite self-explanatory during the Pet Sounds instrumental track, in a section of stills/video, where Brian's image is superimposed on whatever event (whether Vietnam or some world-changing event's story) was being told "photographically."   ;)

At the show I went to last week in New York, there were basically no "younger fans."  Granted it was a weeknight, indoor show and even the cheapest seats were $82.  I took my 12 year old daughter to her first rock concert and she was pointing out how old the crowd was.  There were a handful of children there, but really no one else below 60.  Heck, I  felt young by comparison.    This would have been the perfect opportunity to play some deep cuts, but the set list played it very safe.  Maybe a lot of that was because this was a Stamos show.   The only surprise to me was Summertime Blues in the encore.    They did put on a great show and the audience responded really well.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 11, 2016, 05:31:42 PM


You don't like Mike and that is apparent.  It would not matter what he did, it would be wrong in some manner.  It is not up to fans to decide how a song is intro'd especially when they are responsible for the genesis of the song.  What appears long-winded or tedious, to one, may be received by another to be instructive.  What 20 year old knows who the Maharishi is, and that the whole band was photographed multiple times in his company, including Brian, and started a tour with him. The Maharishi was a snapshot in that window of their career.  And, that 20 year old BB fan should know the backstory as it is somewhat essential to understand that body of work associated with his influence.  ;)

This isn't about who HeyJude likes or dislikes.

I was just at The Hollywood Bowl to see Brian performing last night. It was filled with wall-to-wall Brian fans. People who love and adore his work, and the guy in general. Especially including the group of friends who I attended with. And one of them - a huge Brian fan - after Brian gave somewhat of a long spoken intro to a song, said something to the effect that these long-winded introductions should be cut down a bit, and disrupt the flow of the show.

To me, sometimes spoken intros work, sometimes they don't. Point is, whether they work or not doesn't *necessarily* BY DEFINITION have anything to do with which Beach Boy does/says it, or how much that Beach Boy is liked/disliked by the person making their opinion known. HeyJude isn't wrong to feel what he feels, just as my friend isn't wrong either.

People are allowed to be critical of BB members. Geez.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 11, 2016, 05:44:00 PM
Not  in kokodopia! ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 11, 2016, 07:27:55 PM
Interesting note about the age and the setlist...I find that when the crowd is older, they play less in general. Both shows I've seen in Lancaster they played to almost only over 65 crowds and they cut a ton of the uptempo things from the set, and have never really dug DEEP.

I think the time to dig deep, is when younger fans come out on their own since they seem to be the ones taking the time to discover the deep cuts and actually know what band members they're seeing...but maybe I'm a bit biased...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 11, 2016, 07:29:16 PM
According to the setlist website, they played Pisces Brothers AND Cool Head, Warm Heart back to back last night...God help them  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on July 11, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
Yeah, just saw that on Mike's page...thought it was a bit misleading as well that they showed the full clip from the GMA appearance (same day as my C50 show) from 2012 with that lineup.

Anyway...saw the Coney Island setlist...am I the only one that's in a state of bewilderment that "Pisces Brothers" has stayed in the set all this time, yet "Wild Honey" lived in the set for about a year? And even worse...they've added "Summer in Paradise" to the opening set for the best several gigs?  :o

In all honesty, I'd rather see Summer in Paradise than Goin to the Beach. 

And I'm with you about retiring Pisces Brothers.   The two times I've seen Mike and Bruce in the last year, that song grinded the concert to a halt. 

Looking at the Coney Island set, the could have done two classics to fill those spots that I'm sure would've kept the pace going that more people would be familiar with. "Don't Back Down" could easily replace "Summer in Paradise". "Pisces Brothers" being more of a ballad (I use that loosely) could be replaced by "Kiss Me Baby", "Please Let Me Wonder" etc. songs more people know, albeit not everybody.

There are two songs that have never worked in concert of all the times I've seen any configuration of the band: Pisces Brothers & All This is That.

I think that at all shows that I've seen Pisces Brothers done, that the vast majority listened respectfully. As for All This Is That , It's one of my favorite songs to hear live. People seemed to like it too, but yeah there's sometimes a little chatter. But the same could be said for other songs like The Warmth of the sun, which is an undeniable classic.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SonoraDick on July 11, 2016, 11:23:37 PM
I've always thought that when a performer gets away from the music and into some sort of story or long-winded introduction, that they're probably doing it more for their own (or their band's) sake than anything else. To put it simply... they're taking a break! It's been mentioned that the Beach Boys have for years played song after song after song practically non-stop; not medleys, but complete songs. And for many years they did that straight through, without an intermission. Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me if there's some dialogue three or four times during the show. Some performers (groups as well as solo artists) often don't even play songs back-to-back without some sort of stoppage.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 06:18:31 AM

When a Beach Boy writes a tribute to a Beatle, and performs it at a BB concert, it does beg a back story.

No. It doesn't. Especially when it's the same friggin' story he's been telling *since* 1968. If it's a good song, it can stand on its own. As I said, a quick "this is a tribute to George" would suffice. Roy Orbison back in the early 80s did an Elvis tribute song, a ballad called "Hound Dog Man", and would intro the song by saying "This is a song for a dear friend of mine", and then just do the song. No long story. No needing to explain to the audience why he was buddies with Elvis, or that he secretly helped Elvis write songs.

My guess is that, much like saying that he is friends with John Stamos, saying he was hanging with the Beatles in India is a weird name drop. I said long ago that Mike name drops like some one-hit-wonder playing Laughlin, Nevada would. He doesn't need to name drop, but he does. Maybe it's insecurity or something, I don't know.

You don't like Mike and that is apparent.  It would not matter what he did, it would be wrong in some manner.
 

If you want to think that, again I can't stop you. I've given Mike his due when appropriate, and applauded him for things done well. I would say the situation is much more the opposite; You blindly support Mike. That is blatantly apparent, and regardless of the heinous, sometimes hugely inflammatory and offensive things he does or says, you'll never find any fault in anything Mike does or says. This has been proved in numerous threads.

It is not up to fans to decide how a song is intro'd especially when they are responsible for the genesis of the song.  

As I always end up having to reiterate, when we as fans throw ideas out or say this or that should be done a certain way, NOBODY is advocating that fans actually should be able to control what anyone in the band does. This "it's not up to the fans" thing is another of countless straw man arguments. I guess some artists could stand to *listen* to their fans more, but that's kind of a separate discussion I suppose.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 06:24:27 AM
At the show I went to last week in New York, there were basically no "younger fans."  Granted it was a weeknight, indoor show and even the cheapest seats were $82.  I took my 12 year old daughter to her first rock concert and she was pointing out how old the crowd was.  There were a handful of children there, but really no one else below 60.  Heck, I  felt young by comparison.    This would have been the perfect opportunity to play some deep cuts, but the set list played it very safe.  Maybe a lot of that was because this was a Stamos show.   The only surprise to me was Summertime Blues in the encore.    They did put on a great show and the audience responded really well.

Sometimes the predominantly older audiences are the hardest to impress with deep cuts or new songs.

It's often the young, indie hipster types that dig the deep cuts. Listen to the C50 Bonnaroo recording; the song that gets the biggest reaction from the crowd is "Heroes and Villains." 

I've been to many concerts, including non-Beach Boys concerts, where the "original" era fans are the *least* malleable when it comes to listening to non-hits, or less recognizable songs.

I was once at a Frampton concert and some lady was yelling at everyone for not standing and dancing enough. Then Frampton started whipping out pre-Comes Alive stuff like "Wind of Change" and she was literally yelling out "I don't know that one!" God help us when we got the part where Frampton did stuff off his *new* album!  :lol And he was doing excellent stuff off a Grammy-winning new album. This lady didn't care.

It's obviously an extreme example, but older fans often want to hear "Barbara Ann" and are less open to hearing a cut off of "Friends" or "Sunflower" or whatever.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 06:26:35 AM
I've always thought that when a performer gets away from the music and into some sort of story or long-winded introduction, that they're probably doing it more for their own (or their band's) sake than anything else. To put it simply... they're taking a break! It's been mentioned that the Beach Boys have for years played song after song after song practically non-stop; not medleys, but complete songs. And for many years they did that straight through, without an intermission. Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me if there's some dialogue three or four times during the show. Some performers (groups as well as solo artists) often don't even play songs back-to-back without some sort of stoppage.

That all sounds totally plausible (though talking would not necessarily be the best "rest" for Mike's voice). The discussion about song preambles and whatnot started with regard to new or deep cuts; that for an audience pre-disposed to maybe not having the patience for new or deep cuts, doing a big long spoken-word bit before *those* songs only makes that type of concertgoer more impatient or restless, etc.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 12, 2016, 07:00:07 AM

When a Beach Boy writes a tribute to a Beatle, and performs it at a BB concert, it does beg a back story.

No. It doesn't. Especially when it's the same friggin' story he's been telling *since* 1968. If it's a good song, it can stand on its own. As I said, a quick "this is a tribute to George" would suffice. Roy Orbison back in the early 80s did an Elvis tribute song, a ballad called "Hound Dog Man", and would intro the song by saying "This is a song for a dear friend of mine", and then just do the song. No long story. No needing to explain to the audience why he was buddies with Elvis, or that he secretly helped Elvis write songs.

My guess is that, much like saying that he is friends with John Stamos, saying he was hanging with the Beatles in India is a weird name drop. I said long ago that Mike name drops like some one-hit-wonder playing Laughlin, Nevada would. He doesn't need to name drop, but he does. Maybe it's insecurity or something, I don't know.

You don't like Mike and that is apparent.  It would not matter what he did, it would be wrong in some manner.
 

If you want to think that, again I can't stop you. I've given Mike his due when appropriate, and applauded him for things done well. I would say the situation is much more the opposite; You blindly support Mike. That is blatantly apparent, and regardless of the heinous, sometimes hugely inflammatory and offensive things he does or says, you'll never find any fault in anything Mike does or says. This has been proved in numerous threads.

It is not up to fans to decide how a song is intro'd especially when they are responsible for the genesis of the song.  

As I always end up having to reiterate, when we as fans throw ideas out or say this or that should be done a certain way, NOBODY is advocating that fans actually should be able to control what anyone in the band does. This "it's not up to the fans" thing is another of countless straw man arguments. I guess some artists could stand to *listen* to their fans more, but that's kind of a separate discussion I suppose.
Hey Jude - Pisces Brothers is usually following GOK, and they are linked via lung cancer (maybe a subtle message to please stop smoking and please stay with us) and the short span of time between their untimely deaths.  I happen to like Stamos (and unapologetically) for a few reasons.  First, I saw him on his first acting break, a soap with Demi Moore who got her first break there as well.  Second, he invited The Beach Boys as guests (when their career was not at a high point) on more than one of his series shows, which bumped interest in the music.  Third, as I have watched Stamos for the last 10 years or so on tour, I have watched a guy who shows reflexive kindness (absolutely not a put-on) to young people who have likely been bullied for their appearance, or have had medical or intellectual challenges and I say "Bravo" to him.   

Stamos has been around that band for 30 years.  I support all of them and it is informed by 50 years of being a fan and almost that amount of time seeing them live.  Nearly every post has a backhanded, poorly veiled insult for the Touring Band.  There is no need for fans to be in "one camp or another."  Or, to inflame discord or hate for any band member. 

Artists should and generally do appreciate feedback from fans and they should welcome constructive criticism, however when it takes the form of constant veiled insults, that is another story.  I would guess that they know right-off-the-bat, when a song bombs, from the response of the people sitting in front of them. That is a pretty good barometer. 

My opinion is that at this point in time, it is pretty low to constantly berate someone who is 75 years old, whether you agree with whatever has gone on in the 50+ years prior.  Seriously.

     


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The_Beach on July 12, 2016, 07:17:31 AM
I was at the concert in Portland Maine July 7 and Mike had about a 1 minute introduction to the song! https://youtu.be/gR944nioqAA


Also thought over all the whole concert rocked and they really put on a show! I Loved that they performed Summer In Paradise! That sounded great! https://youtu.be/eENLI9YfYnU


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on July 12, 2016, 07:20:32 AM
According to the setlist website, they played Pisces Brothers AND Cool Head, Warm Heart back to back last night...God help them  :lol

I've personally witnessed and heard that.. it still gives me shudders. ( Cool Head is actually a better song)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 07:46:32 AM
Hey Jude - Pisces Brothers is usually following GOK, and they are linked via lung cancer (maybe a subtle message to please stop smoking and please stay with us) and the short span of time between their untimely deaths.

Does Mike actually make this link in concert, or is that just your filter? If the songs are played back to back, I'm guessing it's because they're both tributes to deceased individuals. If Mike actually made a "lung cancer link" during the concert in discussing those two, I would find that immensely inappropriate and judgmental in that sort of setting.  


I support all of them and it is informed by 50 years of being a fan and almost that amount of time seeing them live.  Nearly every post has a backhanded, poorly veiled insult for the Touring Band.  There is no need for fans to be in "one camp or another."  Or, to inflame discord or hate for any band member.  

I disagree that you've supported all of the band members. You've defended Mike's myriad of inflammatory comments about other band members, never once criticizing him. That's not supporting all of the band members. You *don't* support all of the band members.

Defending all of the band members, including against each other at times, is just as important to "supporting" them as "not saying anything negative."

I have no hate for any band member; I don't know any of them. I know you probably don't actually read through the entirety of posts you respond to, and/or don't actually absorb what people write here, but please don't equate criticism with hate. Calling someone hateful for disagreeing with you is, well, obviously ironically kind of hateful itself!

My opinion is that at this point in time, it is pretty low to constantly berate someone who is 75 years old, whether you agree with whatever has gone on in the 50+ years prior.  Seriously.

Making (sometimes) critical comments is not "berating", and Mike's age should have nothing to do with anything. And whether I agree with "whatever has gone on in the 50+ years prior" definitely *does* matter. Why would it not? It doesn't mean we shouldn't look at what continues to happen and develop. I won't dwell on the past to the exclusion of the present or future. Ironically, it's Mike in countless interviews who dredges up the long-since-passed history of the band and the songwriting lawsuits and Wilsons' drug abuse. He's the one still judging people for things that happened decades ago, not me.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 07:50:00 AM
According to the setlist website, they played Pisces Brothers AND Cool Head, Warm Heart back to back last night...God help them  :lol

I've personally witnessed and heard that.. it still gives me shudders. ( Cool Head is actually a better song)

"Cool Head" is probably one of the best things Mike has ever done under his own name. I was really disappointed that Al actually turned in a weaker track than Mike for that Hallmark CD a decade ago. "Cool Head" is a solid song, much better than "PT Cruiser." I kind of wished they had just overdubbed BB vocals onto "Cool Head" and put that on TWGMTR instead of "Daybreak."


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 12, 2016, 07:55:16 AM
According to the setlist website, they played Pisces Brothers AND Cool Head, Warm Heart back to back last night...God help them  :lol

 :woot :woot


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2016, 08:16:24 AM
Heyjude is a great poster, I have never seen somebody stay objective so well in the crazy four years since the C50 blowup. Hell, he has put with my sometimes wacky posts! ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2016, 08:22:28 AM
Hell, the guy should be a moderator here! ;D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Mayoman on July 12, 2016, 12:49:49 PM
I was at the concert in Portland Maine July 7 and Mike had about a 1 minute introduction to the song! https://youtu.be/gR944nioqAA


Also thought over all the whole concert rocked and they really put on a show! I Loved that they performed Summer In Paradise! That sounded great! https://youtu.be/eENLI9YfYnU
Does Mike make a joke about Flint, Michigan beforehand?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 12, 2016, 01:23:00 PM
Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?   

Not that I've ever heard of. Other than both of them being in India in 1968, I've never heard of any connection or ongoing relationship. I think there's a photo of Mike and George in the same frame from circa 1971 or so (they both have their long early 70s beards). But there's almost no record of George ever uttering the name "Beach Boys", let alone Mike.

George mentioned the Beach Boys' name during an "Anthology" interview in describing "Paperback Writer" and it's layered vocals. That's the only time I can think of, certainly post-60s, where George even mentioned the band.

I think it's pretty well established that Paul was the main guy that was into Brian and the BBs, and even then it was pretty confined to a few albums/eras, mainly "Pet Sounds."

Paul did tell a funny story about Mike in India in 1968 in, I believe, the "authorized" Barry Miles biography. Paul mentions that Mike would go into town and buy tons and tons of batteries and stuff like that and then sell the stuff to the people at the Maharishi compound, essentially becoming a vendor.

Mike and George both had homes in the Hana area of Maui. It is a very small, remote community.  It is not beyond the realms of imagination that that may have have crscked open a bottle or two at some dinners.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a Hawaii picture of the two in Mike's book.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2016, 01:27:11 PM
Wino brothers? :hat


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?   

Not that I've ever heard of. Other than both of them being in India in 1968, I've never heard of any connection or ongoing relationship. I think there's a photo of Mike and George in the same frame from circa 1971 or so (they both have their long early 70s beards). But there's almost no record of George ever uttering the name "Beach Boys", let alone Mike.

George mentioned the Beach Boys' name during an "Anthology" interview in describing "Paperback Writer" and it's layered vocals. That's the only time I can think of, certainly post-60s, where George even mentioned the band.

I think it's pretty well established that Paul was the main guy that was into Brian and the BBs, and even then it was pretty confined to a few albums/eras, mainly "Pet Sounds."

Paul did tell a funny story about Mike in India in 1968 in, I believe, the "authorized" Barry Miles biography. Paul mentions that Mike would go into town and buy tons and tons of batteries and stuff like that and then sell the stuff to the people at the Maharishi compound, essentially becoming a vendor.

Mike and George both had homes in the Hana area of Maui. It is a very small, remote community.  It is not beyond the realms of imagination that that may have have crscked open a bottle or two at some dinners.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a Hawaii picture of the two in Mike's book.

It'd be interesting to find out, though I suspect Mike would have discussed such a relationship at some point in the intervening years.

Beatles and Solo Beatles fans are much more ardent about finding every photo and story of these guys imaginable; I would think a Love-related George story would have passed through Beatles fans circles if it had occurred.

But you never know....


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 12, 2016, 02:07:45 PM
Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?   

Not that I've ever heard of. Other than both of them being in India in 1968, I've never heard of any connection or ongoing relationship. I think there's a photo of Mike and George in the same frame from circa 1971 or so (they both have their long early 70s beards). But there's almost no record of George ever uttering the name "Beach Boys", let alone Mike.

George mentioned the Beach Boys' name during an "Anthology" interview in describing "Paperback Writer" and it's layered vocals. That's the only time I can think of, certainly post-60s, where George even mentioned the band.

I think it's pretty well established that Paul was the main guy that was into Brian and the BBs, and even then it was pretty confined to a few albums/eras, mainly "Pet Sounds."

Paul did tell a funny story about Mike in India in 1968 in, I believe, the "authorized" Barry Miles biography. Paul mentions that Mike would go into town and buy tons and tons of batteries and stuff like that and then sell the stuff to the people at the Maharishi compound, essentially becoming a vendor.

Mike and George both had homes in the Hana area of Maui. It is a very small, remote community.  It is not beyond the realms of imagination that that may have have crscked open a bottle or two at some dinners.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a Hawaii picture of the two in Mike's book.

It'd be interesting to find out, though I suspect Mike would have discussed such a relationship at some point in the intervening years.

Beatles and Solo Beatles fans are much more ardent about finding every photo and story of these guys imaginable; I would think a Love-related George story would have passed through Beatles fans circles if it had occurred.

But you never know....

I have been there. It is so small. I find it hard to imagine that members of the two greatest rock bands, with the TM connection, living in the same remote area, didn't cross paths. George was very obsessed with his privacy there. Maybe Mike respected that and didn't blab about it per George's wishes.

Yeah, we might find out in Mike's book.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 12, 2016, 02:17:51 PM
Is there any record of George Harrison reciprocating any sort of affection or even friendship for Mike during George's life?   

Not that I've ever heard of. Other than both of them being in India in 1968, I've never heard of any connection or ongoing relationship. I think there's a photo of Mike and George in the same frame from circa 1971 or so (they both have their long early 70s beards). But there's almost no record of George ever uttering the name "Beach Boys", let alone Mike.

George mentioned the Beach Boys' name during an "Anthology" interview in describing "Paperback Writer" and it's layered vocals. That's the only time I can think of, certainly post-60s, where George even mentioned the band.

I think it's pretty well established that Paul was the main guy that was into Brian and the BBs, and even then it was pretty confined to a few albums/eras, mainly "Pet Sounds."

Paul did tell a funny story about Mike in India in 1968 in, I believe, the "authorized" Barry Miles biography. Paul mentions that Mike would go into town and buy tons and tons of batteries and stuff like that and then sell the stuff to the people at the Maharishi compound, essentially becoming a vendor.

Mike and George both had homes in the Hana area of Maui. It is a very small, remote community.  It is not beyond the realms of imagination that that may have have crscked open a bottle or two at some dinners.  Wouldn't surprise me to see a Hawaii picture of the two in Mike's book.

It'd be interesting to find out, though I suspect Mike would have discussed such a relationship at some point in the intervening years.

Beatles and Solo Beatles fans are much more ardent about finding every photo and story of these guys imaginable; I would think a Love-related George story would have passed through Beatles fans circles if it had occurred.

But you never know....

I have been there. It is so small. I find it hard to imagine that members of the two greatest rock bands, with the TM connection, living in the same remote area, didn't cross paths. George was very obsessed with his privacy there. Maybe Mike respected that and didn't blab about it per George's wishes.

Yeah, we might find out in Mike's book.



You never know. There are those stories about Lennon and Billy Joel nearly crossing paths in Cold Spring Harbor back in 1979/80 but never happening, etc.

I wouldn't be floored to find out Harrison and Mike had some sort of encounter at some point. I'd tend to doubt they'd socialize to any great extent, though. The TM sort of stuff would be the most likely link of course.

Members of the two greatest bands notwithstanding, the Beatles had relatively little interest in the BBs over the years. Only McCartney seemed particularly intrigued, and even then only by a specific subset of Brian's work.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 12, 2016, 07:12:30 PM
Yes, I don't see George seeking out ML in Hana but Mike ringing George's doorbell.

There was a big hub bub on Maui about the fence George put up. Now I get why he  did it... :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 13, 2016, 06:14:44 AM
Yes, I don't see George seeking out ML in Hana but Mike ringing George's doorbell.

There was a big hub bub on Maui about the fence George put up. Now I get why he  did it... :lol


That's how detailed "Beatlefan" magazine was/is, I remember regular reports about the fight over an easement on his property.   :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Rocker on July 13, 2016, 11:05:47 AM
Yes, I don't see George seeking out ML in Hana but Mike ringing George's doorbell.

There was a big hub bub on Maui about the fence George put up. Now I get why he  did it... :lol



FWIW I'd read a long time ago (maybe on this board?) that George's wife came from Hawthorne and that when he found out he wanted to know everything connected with the Beach Boys. I wish I'd remember where I read it. I'm not very much into the Beatles data.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: nybbfan1 on July 13, 2016, 04:16:50 PM
Hey Jude - Pisces Brothers is usually following GOK, and they are linked via lung cancer (maybe a subtle message to please stop smoking and please stay with us) and the short span of time between their untimely deaths.

Does Mike actually make this link in concert, or is that just your filter? If the songs are played back to back, I'm guessing it's because they're both tributes to deceased individuals. If Mike actually made a "lung cancer link" during the concert in discussing those two, I would find that immensely inappropriate and judgmental in that sort of setting.  


I support all of them and it is informed by 50 years of being a fan and almost that amount of time seeing them live.  Nearly every post has a backhanded, poorly veiled insult for the Touring Band.  There is no need for fans to be in "one camp or another."  Or, to inflame discord or hate for any band member.  


I disagree that you've supported all of the band members. You've defended Mike's myriad of inflammatory comments about other band members, never once criticizing him. That's not supporting all of the band members. You *don't* support all of the band members.

Defending all of the band members, including against each other at times, is just as important to "supporting" them as "not saying anything negative."

I have no hate for any band member; I don't know any of them. I know you probably don't actually read through the entirety of posts you respond to, and/or don't actually absorb what people write here, but please don't equate criticism with hate. Calling someone hateful for disagreeing with you is, well, obviously ironically kind of hateful itself!

My opinion is that at this point in time, it is pretty low to constantly berate someone who is 75 years old, whether you agree with whatever has gone on in the 50+ years prior.  Seriously.

Making (sometimes) critical comments is not "berating", and Mike's age should have nothing to do with anything. And whether I agree with "whatever has gone on in the 50+ years prior" definitely *does* matter. Why would it not? It doesn't mean we shouldn't look at what continues to happen and develop. I won't dwell on the past to the exclusion of the present or future. Ironically, it's Mike in countless interviews who dredges up the long-since-passed history of the band and the songwriting lawsuits and Wilsons' drug abuse. He's the one still judging people for things that happened decades ago, not me.


In the concert I saw last week, Mike did say following GOK that Carl died of lung cancer in 1998 and that George Harrison died of the same disease 3 years later.   He said it in a very low key way and I don't think there was anything judgmental implied.    BTW, George's drug use throughout the 70s & 80s in another reason I'm skeptical that George and Mike ever hung out much.   BTW, George did have the song "Pisces Fish" that was released on the posthumous Brainwashed album.  I wonder to what degree that song inspired Mike. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 14, 2016, 08:13:12 AM

In the concert I saw last week, Mike did say following GOK that Carl died of lung cancer in 1998 and that George Harrison died of the same disease 3 years later.   He said it in a very low key way and I don't think there was anything judgmental implied.   

Mike may well mean well when saying that; I just think it's really inappropriate. That's just my own sense. It's just tonally all wrong (unless the function is like an American Lung Association fundraiser or something), and it doesn't sound like someone who was deeply and intimately familiar and involved with someone who dealt with the disease. It sounds very detached, like something a very distanced journalist would write.

Does Brian May mention in concert every night that Freddie Mercury died of AIDS? Did the Beach Boys mention all the time that Dennis drowned? Does McCartney mention that Lennon was murdered before doing a Lennon-centric Beatles tune? To me, the cause of death is irrelevant in like 99% of the circumstances it could be brought up during a concert.

This isn't to pile onto Mike. I would deem any band that did a "Lung Cancer Tribute" mini set as tonally odd.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 14, 2016, 08:30:34 AM
It's to position Mike as "Mr. Clean living" to the audience as usual. Funny how clean living BW and Al are not mentioned.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 14, 2016, 08:46:14 AM

In the concert I saw last week, Mike did say following GOK that Carl died of lung cancer in 1998 and that George Harrison died of the same disease 3 years later.   He said it in a very low key way and I don't think there was anything judgmental implied.   

Mike may well mean well when saying that; I just think it's really inappropriate. That's just my own sense. It's just tonally all wrong (unless the function is like an American Lung Association fundraiser or something), and it doesn't sound like someone who was deeply and intimately familiar and involved with someone who dealt with the disease. It sounds very detached, like something a very distanced journalist would write.

Does Brian May mention in concert every night that Freddie Mercury died of AIDS? Did the Beach Boys mention all the time that Dennis drowned? Does McCartney mention that Lennon was murdered before doing a Lennon-centric Beatles tune? To me, the cause of death is irrelevant in like 99% of the circumstances it could be brought up during a concert.

This isn't to pile onto Mike. I would deem any band that did a "Lung Cancer Tribute" mini set as tonally odd.

I honestly think it's just a segue into Pisces Brothers.

A better segue might be, "OK hope you enjoyed that classic song as a tribute to Carl Wilson.  Here's the very opposite of a classic song as a tribute to George Harrison."

Come on Mike, if I want to listen to a tribute to George, I'll listen to Ringo's "Without You." 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 14, 2016, 09:03:52 AM
Least he isn't singing imagine in his peak nasal voice of the 1980s. ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 14, 2016, 09:37:28 AM

In the concert I saw last week, Mike did say following GOK that Carl died of lung cancer in 1998 and that George Harrison died of the same disease 3 years later.   He said it in a very low key way and I don't think there was anything judgmental implied.  

Mike may well mean well when saying that; I just think it's really inappropriate. That's just my own sense. It's just tonally all wrong (unless the function is like an American Lung Association fundraiser or something), and it doesn't sound like someone who was deeply and intimately familiar and involved with someone who dealt with the disease. It sounds very detached, like something a very distanced journalist would write.

Does Brian May mention in concert every night that Freddie Mercury died of AIDS? Did the Beach Boys mention all the time that Dennis drowned? Does McCartney mention that Lennon was murdered before doing a Lennon-centric Beatles tune? To me, the cause of death is irrelevant in like 99% of the circumstances it could be brought up during a concert.

This isn't to pile onto Mike. I would deem any band that did a "Lung Cancer Tribute" mini set as tonally odd.

I honestly think it's just a segue into Pisces Brothers.

A better segue might be, "OK hope you enjoyed that classic song as a tribute to Carl Wilson.  Here's the very opposite of a classic song as a tribute to George Harrison."

Come on Mike, if I want to listen to a tribute to George, I'll listen to Ringo's "Without You."  

It's all fine until he needs to mention "lung cancer." Some people just don't have that filter or sensibility to not be so specific.

I'm sure some folks here don't even see why that would be an issue whatsoever. I just think it's distasteful, and if someone disagrees, I probably can't explain or convince them why I think mentioning not that Carl and George passed away but that they passed away from lung cancer is weird and inappropriate and a weird "link" or "theme" to run through a pair of songs at a concert.

Would Mike *not* do the tribute if Carl and George had died of different illnesses?

Tribute songs are fine (especially when it isn't a dreadful cover of that person's song like "Imagine" in 1983), and mentioning that they've passed can in many scenarios work okay in a concert. But mentioning that Carl died of lung cancer and then drawing a direct parallel to George dying of lung cancer is just really ham-fisted to me in numerous ways. Again, if there was an even longer pause to talk about lung cancer research funding or something, then it would make sense. Otherwise, it's the same as starting a Freddie Mercury tribute by mentioning he died of AIDS, etc.

I also think there is an extra stigma attached to lung cancer (and the blame and guilt associated with it is a VERY DIFFICULT and COMPLEX topic to traverse, which again I think most people close to people who have suffered from lung cancer understand), and that's another reason why I think it comes across, however innocently it was meant, as judgmental. I'm reminded of this exchange from an episode of "House MD" with Hugh Laurie:

House: "Do you know why they have ribbons for breast cancer, colorectal cancer, prostate cancer, but not for lung cancer?"
Wilson: "They ... ran out of colors?"
House: "It's because people blame lung cancer patients. They smoked, they screwed up, they deserve to die. The reason people die from lung cancer is guilt."


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 14, 2016, 10:46:25 AM
*insert Filleplage rant here*


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on July 14, 2016, 11:23:35 AM
This is verbatim the intro he gave to Pisces Brother when I saw the Beach Boys back in May:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR944nioqAA

Is a one minute intro excessive? I don't think so, there are several other songs, including Beach Boys' classics that get similar treatment. I don't think there is any hint of victim blaming, just a sense of how unfortunate it is they passed away. My only issue is that it has been the same intro for many years.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 14, 2016, 11:59:58 AM
This is verbatim the intro he gave to Pisces Brother when I saw the Beach Boys back in May:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR944nioqAA

Is a one minute intro excessive? I don't think so, there are several other songs, including Beach Boys' classics that get similar treatment. I don't think there is any hint of victim blaming, just a sense of how unfortunate it is they passed away. My only issue is that it has been the same intro for many years.

I think my only real issue with Pisces Brother is that it's just not that good of a song.

I'd like to see M&B replace it with Daybreak Over the Ocean.  Then, at least one of the camps will acknowledge the TWGMTR album. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 14, 2016, 12:19:12 PM
*insert Filleplage rant here*

 :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 14, 2016, 12:20:38 PM
Regarding TWGMTR, Brian did the title track "That's Why God Made the Radio" and "Summer's Gone" at some 2013 gigs, and of course "Pacific Coast Highway" and "Summer's Gone" for the 2014 PBS taping.

Mike did "Isn't It Time" in 2012/2013 on his own, and I think he brought it back into the setlist in 2015 as well. I always found the selection of *that* song as ironic given its context originally as a "reunion" song, especially doing it so soon after ending the reunion and having the backing guys sing Brian's and Al's parts. I would imagine the only TWGMTR songs Mike would likely ever do live are the titles he wrote or co-wrote.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 14, 2016, 12:50:45 PM
Regarding TWGMTR, Brian did the title track "That's Why God Made the Radio" and "Summer's Gone" at some 2013 gigs, and of course "Pacific Coast Highway" and "Summer's Gone" for the 2014 PBS taping.

Mike did "Isn't It Time" in 2012/2013 on his own, and I think he brought it back into the setlist in 2015 as well. I always found the selection of *that* song as ironic given its context originally as a "reunion" song, especially doing it so soon after ending the reunion and having the backing guys sing Brian's and Al's parts. I would imagine the only TWGMTR songs Mike would likely ever do live are the titles he wrote or co-wrote.

Yeah, I know that some of the tracks have been done here and there.  It's still a crying shame that Strange World and From There to Back Again have yet to be played live. 

I know I'm likely in the minority, and this might be a statement for the unpopular opinion thread, but I think TWGMTR is easily their best album since Holland.  And I think its a pity the songs have been somewhat lost post C50.

Surely, Mike could find room in the set for Daybreak. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 14, 2016, 12:55:11 PM
Agreed on TWGMTR being a great album and one of the best since holland. Great 21st century BBs cooking on vinyl!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 14, 2016, 01:04:21 PM

Tribute songs are fine (especially when it isn't a dreadful cover of that person's song like "Imagine" in 1983)

...made so much worse by the irony (and total lack of awareness) of Mike wearing a tacky corporation hat (Radio Shack) while singing a song about the evils of possessions and money  ::) Regardless of what one thinks of whether Mike chose a song that he sounds good singing (or not), that irony is pretty striking.

We all know that Lennon didn't exactly abandon his bank accounts and put his money where his mouth was regarding the sentiment of that song... but for a major act's lead singer to wear a tacky corporate Radio Shack hat - while singing a cover version of that particular song - that is just next level unintentional hilarity...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 14, 2016, 03:17:27 PM

Tribute songs are fine (especially when it isn't a dreadful cover of that person's song like "Imagine" in 1983)

...made so much worse by the irony (and total lack of awareness) of Mike wearing a tacky corporation hat (Radio Shack) while singing a song about the evils of possessions and money  ::) Regardless of what one thinks of whether Mike chose a song that he sounds good singing (or not), that irony is pretty striking.

We all know that Lennon didn't exactly abandon his bank accounts and put his money where his mouth was regarding the sentiment of that song... but for a major act's lead singer to wear a tacky corporate Radio Shack hat - while singing a cover version of that particular song - that is just next level unintentional hilarity...

I think it's safe to say that from now till the end of time The Beach Boys will forever be the most unintentional blend of popularity and hilarity.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 14, 2016, 05:24:23 PM
Regarding TWGMTR, Brian did the title track "That's Why God Made the Radio" and "Summer's Gone" at some 2013 gigs, and of course "Pacific Coast Highway" and "Summer's Gone" for the 2014 PBS taping.

Mike did "Isn't It Time" in 2012/2013 on his own, and I think he brought it back into the setlist in 2015 as well. I always found the selection of *that* song as ironic given its context originally as a "reunion" song, especially doing it so soon after ending the reunion and having the backing guys sing Brian's and Al's parts. I would imagine the only TWGMTR songs Mike would likely ever do live are the titles he wrote or co-wrote.

Yeah, I know that some of the tracks have been done here and there.  It's still a crying shame that Strange World and From There to Back Again have yet to be played live. 

I know I'm likely in the minority, and this might be a statement for the unpopular opinion thread, but I think TWGMTR is easily their best album since Holland.  And I think its a pity the songs have been somewhat lost post C50.

Surely, Mike could find room in the set for Daybreak. 

If he pulled a stunt like that, he could lose the audience in a heartbeat with that boring clunker.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: thorgil on July 15, 2016, 04:21:30 AM
"Daybreak"... the horrors. Mandatory skip.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 15, 2016, 05:07:05 AM
"Daybreak"... the horrors. Mandatory skip.

I thought that back when the album was released, but its really grown on me over the years. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: thorgil on July 15, 2016, 05:46:27 AM
Exactly opposite for me. I wanted so much to like the whole album that at first I gave a... break to "Daybreak". :)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 15, 2016, 06:25:43 AM
"Daybreak" is the textbook example of "meh." Middle of the road, impossible-to-truly-be-offending in any way. It sticks out like a sore thumb on TWGMTR, even if one *doesn't* know it was a near-decade-old recording with BBs overdubbed on the front and end only. You all of a sudden go to a different production sound, and all of a sudden you get Adrian Baker's falsetto instead of Foskett's.

A half dozen tracks on the as-yet-unreleased 2004 "Mike Love Not War" album are stronger than that one. They should have just overdubbed "Cool Head", or had Al sing "Too Cruel" or something.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 19, 2016, 01:47:23 PM
Very excited to be seeing The Beach Boys with the National Symphony Orchestra this evening at The Kennedy Center. There's also supposed to be "Surprise Special Guests"...worst case scenario...Stamos? Dream come true.....well...Brian & Alan are free tonight?  :lol :lol :lol

I'll give a report later tonight or tomorrow morning!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pretty Funky on July 19, 2016, 04:46:35 PM
Very excited to be seeing The Beach Boys with the National Symphony Orchestra this evening at The Kennedy Center. There's also supposed to be "Surprise Special Guests"...worst case scenario...Stamos? Dream come true.....well...Brian & Alan are free tonight?  :lol :lol :lol

I'll give a report later tonight or tomorrow morning!

I remember seeing that 'Special Guests' mention for that show and thinking duds for sure. Will await with interest. :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: baseball95 on July 19, 2016, 04:53:51 PM
Very excited to be seeing The Beach Boys with the National Symphony Orchestra this evening at The Kennedy Center. There's also supposed to be "Surprise Special Guests"...worst case scenario...Stamos? Dream come true.....well...Brian & Alan are free tonight?  :lol :lol :lol

I'll give a report later tonight or tomorrow morning!

I remember seeing that 'Special Guests' mention for that show and thinking duds for sure. Will await with interest. :lol
If it's not Stamos, David Marks or Christopher Cross then I got nothing  :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 19, 2016, 08:45:09 PM
All in all...great show with the symphony! I'm glad I finally got to hear them backed with an orchestra. That being said, there's plenty to complain about. Sorry! :lol

1. The sound mix was absolutely wretched in the first set and it was clear that the band was not performing at their best because of it. I could only hear vocals and drums in the first set. The only time I heard any guitar was if it was the only thing playing, which wasn't often. I saw Scott Totten talking with sound guys (I assume) during intermission and there was a noticeable improvement for the second set.

2. The "Special Guests" consisted of one special GUEST (singular, not plural) being Ambha Love to sing "The Warmth of The Sun" in a special dedication for The Kennedy Center considering the song's origin etc.  She sounded decent......

3. The crowd sucked. There was a pair of young guys in front of me that were smashed by the second set and spent the remainder of the show talking, screaming, and even booing songs they didn't know...like Caroline No, The Warmth of The Sun, Pisces Brothers (well, guess that one makes sense...) next to us was a pair of old women (like in their 80's old) that cheered loudest when Mike mentioned The Four Freshmen and also felt the need to talk during anything that wasn't in the top 10 in the 60's...and behind us was a row of mentally handicapped older folks who really were not interested in the show at all and were led out never to return during the second set. I know, not their fault, but still distracting.


That being said...there was lots of good stuff too! I'll post a link to the setlist below (it is accurate, I confirm) but running down it, here are some stand out thoughts:

-Darlin' sounded incredible with the brass. Probably the best I've ever heard. And while I'm often critical of Jeff, he really knocked it out of the park tonight.
-Be True To Your School was also the best I'd ever heard, again because of the symphony as a live "marching band"!
-Kiss Me Baby was a welcomed surprise. Pretty sure I was the only person in my section that knew it...
-Summer in Paradise sounded REALLY great. I was dreading it and had never heard it live before but it really worked well. I take back my previous bashing!  :lol
-Their Hearts Were Full of Spring was stupendous echoing through the Concert Hall...the perfect room for it, and the orchestra played a great intro.
*Highlight of the entire show* = The Pet Sounds Set...Here Today/You Still Believe in Me/I'm Waiting For The Day/Caroline No was non-stop beauty. They were all sang so passionately and the orchestra was so on the money for each tune. Those four  (plus the regular Pet Sounds trio) were worth the admission alone.
-And a final thought...it was weird not having an encore!

So all that being said...great experience! Wish the crowd and the sound guys had been better...but those things happen! Oh! We had a lot of interaction with Mike...or should I say my girlfriend did!  ::) :lol  He was rushing the vamp on "Good Vibrations" and Scott was trying to slow him down...we wee laughing and Mike saw and pointed at us and shrugged with a "who gives a s**t" look on his face and shot us the wigglin' fingers! :lol :lol


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 19, 2016, 08:46:51 PM
Here's the set...100% accurate

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/2016/john-f-kennedy-center-for-the-performing-arts-washington-dc-4bff1bb2.html


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: MyDrKnowsItKeepsMeCalm on July 20, 2016, 06:34:05 AM
Wow, that's a great Pet Sounds run. Who sang lead on I'm Waiting For the Day?



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 20, 2016, 07:42:00 AM
Wow, that's a great Pet Sounds run. Who sang lead on I'm Waiting For the Day?



Scott Totten and he totally nailed it!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 25, 2016, 08:38:31 AM

3. The crowd sucked. There was a pair of young guys in front of me that were smashed by the second set and spent the remainder of the show talking, screaming, and even booing songs they didn't know...like Caroline No, The Warmth of The Sun, Pisces Brothers (well, guess that one makes sense...) next to us was a pair of old women (like in their 80's old) that cheered loudest when Mike mentioned The Four Freshmen and also felt the need to talk during anything that wasn't in the top 10 in the 60's...and behind us was a row of mentally handicapped older folks who really were not interested in the show at all and were led out never to return during the second set. I know, not their fault, but still distracting.


Booing a song at a concert, even for Pisces Brothers, is extremely disrespectful.  It seems like every show I attend, no matter the artist, people rudely talk during songs they don't know, but I've never witnessed booing.  Even Pisces Brothers doesn't deserve that. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 25, 2016, 09:04:50 AM
They should have played cool head warm heart to shut them up. ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 25, 2016, 09:07:50 AM

3. The crowd sucked. There was a pair of young guys in front of me that were smashed by the second set and spent the remainder of the show talking, screaming, and even booing songs they didn't know...like Caroline No, The Warmth of The Sun, Pisces Brothers (well, guess that one makes sense...) next to us was a pair of old women (like in their 80's old) that cheered loudest when Mike mentioned The Four Freshmen and also felt the need to talk during anything that wasn't in the top 10 in the 60's...and behind us was a row of mentally handicapped older folks who really were not interested in the show at all and were led out never to return during the second set. I know, not their fault, but still distracting.


Booing a song at a concert, even for Pisces Brothers, is extremely disrespectful.  It seems like every show I attend, no matter the artist, people rudely talk during songs they don't know, but I've never witnessed booing.  Even Pisces Brothers doesn't deserve that.  

Agree totally. Though maybe an occasional exception if something like Brian's Back were to have been performed by M&B right after the C50 debacle.  ::)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 25, 2016, 09:38:23 AM

3. The crowd sucked. There was a pair of young guys in front of me that were smashed by the second set and spent the remainder of the show talking, screaming, and even booing songs they didn't know...like Caroline No, The Warmth of The Sun, Pisces Brothers (well, guess that one makes sense...) next to us was a pair of old women (like in their 80's old) that cheered loudest when Mike mentioned The Four Freshmen and also felt the need to talk during anything that wasn't in the top 10 in the 60's...and behind us was a row of mentally handicapped older folks who really were not interested in the show at all and were led out never to return during the second set. I know, not their fault, but still distracting.


Booing a song at a concert, even for Pisces Brothers, is extremely disrespectful.  It seems like every show I attend, no matter the artist, people rudely talk during songs they don't know, but I've never witnessed booing.  Even Pisces Brothers doesn't deserve that.  

Agree totally. Though maybe an occasional exception if something like Brian's Back were to have been performed by M&B right after the C50 debacle.  ::)

Or they could have done "Summer Of LuHv" from the drecky SIP abomination and been pelted with rotten, decaying food.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 25, 2016, 09:51:25 AM

3. The crowd sucked. There was a pair of young guys in front of me that were smashed by the second set and spent the remainder of the show talking, screaming, and even booing songs they didn't know...like Caroline No, The Warmth of The Sun, Pisces Brothers (well, guess that one makes sense...) next to us was a pair of old women (like in their 80's old) that cheered loudest when Mike mentioned The Four Freshmen and also felt the need to talk during anything that wasn't in the top 10 in the 60's...and behind us was a row of mentally handicapped older folks who really were not interested in the show at all and were led out never to return during the second set. I know, not their fault, but still distracting.


Booing a song at a concert, even for Pisces Brothers, is extremely disrespectful.  It seems like every show I attend, no matter the artist, people rudely talk during songs they don't know, but I've never witnessed booing.  Even Pisces Brothers doesn't deserve that.  

Agree totally. Though maybe an occasional exception if something like Brian's Back were to have been performed by M&B right after the C50 debacle.  ::)

Or they could have done "Summer Of LuHv" from the drecky SIP abomination and been pelted with rotten, decaying food.

They actually played Summer in Paradise...it worked well live...I've never cared for any of the recordings from that record though.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 25, 2016, 10:37:32 AM

3. The crowd sucked. There was a pair of young guys in front of me that were smashed by the second set and spent the remainder of the show talking, screaming, and even booing songs they didn't know...like Caroline No, The Warmth of The Sun, Pisces Brothers (well, guess that one makes sense...) next to us was a pair of old women (like in their 80's old) that cheered loudest when Mike mentioned The Four Freshmen and also felt the need to talk during anything that wasn't in the top 10 in the 60's...and behind us was a row of mentally handicapped older folks who really were not interested in the show at all and were led out never to return during the second set. I know, not their fault, but still distracting.


Booing a song at a concert, even for Pisces Brothers, is extremely disrespectful.  It seems like every show I attend, no matter the artist, people rudely talk during songs they don't know, but I've never witnessed booing.  Even Pisces Brothers doesn't deserve that.  

Agree totally. Though maybe an occasional exception if something like Brian's Back were to have been performed by M&B right after the C50 debacle.  ::)

Or they could have done "Summer Of LuHv" from the drecky SIP abomination and been pelted with rotten, decaying food.

They actually played Summer in Paradise...it worked well live...I've never cared for any of the recordings from that record though.

I really like the live version of that song from the MIC boxset.  I'll take it over Goin to the Beach any day. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: thorgil on July 25, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 25, 2016, 12:47:53 PM
You are forgiven! ;D


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 25, 2016, 01:09:18 PM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?


The price.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 25, 2016, 01:28:06 PM
Hehe, I only listen to it on my Apple Music account. Should I buy the box set?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 25, 2016, 01:31:52 PM
Hehe, I only listen to it on my Apple Music account. Should I buy the box set?

That depends on how much you're willing on spend on a tangible set where probably half of the material has already been released.

Granted, the unreleased stuff is great.  But, I kinda felt a little bilked when I had to shell out a C note for Fun Fun Fun, Wouldn't It Be Nice, and Help Me Rhonda again. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 25, 2016, 01:40:52 PM
Gotcha, I will save my money then since I got the 1993 set and can listen to the unreleased stuff on apple music. You go all out on the Pink Floyd sets a couple years ago?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 25, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
Gotcha, I will save my money then since I got the 1993 set and can listen to the unreleased stuff on apple music. You go all out on the Pink Floyd sets a couple years ago?

Pink Floyd is my absolute favorite band of all time, but no, I couldn't bring myself to do it.  I already had a good portion of the unreleased stuff via b@@tlegs.  Just didn't seem worth it to me. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 25, 2016, 04:55:18 PM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: CenturyDeprived on July 25, 2016, 05:09:43 PM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 26, 2016, 05:13:43 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.

Kokomo also helped make The Beach Boys relevant again.  I don't care who writes it, a good song is a good song.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 26, 2016, 05:38:07 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.

Kokomo also helped make The Beach Boys relevant again.  I don't care who writes it, a good song is a good song.
The dynamic for Kokomo was different.  Grammy nominated for Best Song Written Specifically for a Motion Picture or Television, There is a little backstory on wiki.

"...The Beach Boys were commissioned to produce a theme song for Cocktail." Initially it was not all the Beach Boys on vocals but a subset.  Disney wanted The Beach Boys.  Then it evolved to vocals by Carl, Mike, Al and Bruce.  Carl and Mike shared the lead on the final released version.  Released on July 18, 1988, it became #1 by November 5, 1988.  Incidentally the video was filmed at the Grand Floridian at Walt Disney World before it was open and the band were the first guests there.

To call it a shocker hit was an understatement, for me.  The kids in my Pre-K came in my class singing "Aruba, Jamaica..."  However they were "back" was irrelevant.  They were "back" - and all that mattered.  ;)    The Beach Boys who, were in their late 40's by then and with a #1 hit.  

The only time I had seen that happen was when The Bee Gees were propelled back into relevance by "Stayin' Alive" on Saturday Night Fever with John Travolta in much the same way Tom Cruise was a big box office accident in 1988.  ;)  


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 26, 2016, 05:47:43 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.

Kokomo also helped make The Beach Boys relevant again.  I don't care who writes it, a good song is a good song.
The dynamic for Kokomo was different.  Grammy nominated for Best Song Written Specifically for a Motion Picture or Television, There is a little backstory on wiki.

"...The Beach Boys were commissioned to produce a theme song for Cocktail." Initially it was not all the Beach Boys on vocals but a subset.  Disney wanted The Beach Boys.  Then it evolved to vocals by Carl, Mike, Al and Bruce.  Carl and Mike shared the lead on the final released version.  Released on July 18, 1988, it became #1 by November 5, 1988.  Incidentally the video was filmed at the Grand Floridian at Walt Disney World before it was open and the band were the first guests there.

To call it a shocker hit was an understatement, for me.  The kids in my Pre-K came in my class singing "Aruba, Jamaica..."  However they were "back" was irrelevant.  They were "back" - and all that mattered.  ;)    The Beach Boys who, were in their late 40's by then and with a #1 hit.  

The only time I had seen that happen was when The Bee Gees were propelled back into relevance by "Stayin' Alive" on Saturday Night Fever with John Travolta in much the same way Tom Cruise was a big box office accident in 1988.  ;)  

I'd have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure The Beach Boys still hold the record for longest gap between #1s. 

I'll be interested to read Brian's take on Kokomo in his book.  I know he said he thought it was great on Endless Harmony.  And Mike implied that Landy kept Brian from the sessions, but I don't know if Brian ever confirmed that.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 26, 2016, 06:15:22 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.

Kokomo also helped make The Beach Boys relevant again.  I don't care who writes it, a good song is a good song.
The dynamic for Kokomo was different.  Grammy nominated for Best Song Written Specifically for a Motion Picture or Television, There is a little backstory on wiki.

"...The Beach Boys were commissioned to produce a theme song for Cocktail." Initially it was not all the Beach Boys on vocals but a subset.  Disney wanted The Beach Boys.  Then it evolved to vocals by Carl, Mike, Al and Bruce.  Carl and Mike shared the lead on the final released version.  Released on July 18, 1988, it became #1 by November 5, 1988.  Incidentally the video was filmed at the Grand Floridian at Walt Disney World before it was open and the band were the first guests there.

To call it a shocker hit was an understatement, for me.  The kids in my Pre-K came in my class singing "Aruba, Jamaica..."  However they were "back" was irrelevant.  They were "back" - and all that mattered.  ;)    The Beach Boys who, were in their late 40's by then and with a #1 hit.  

The only time I had seen that happen was when The Bee Gees were propelled back into relevance by "Stayin' Alive" on Saturday Night Fever with John Travolta in much the same way Tom Cruise was a big box office accident in 1988.  ;)  

I'd have to look it up, but I'm pretty sure The Beach Boys still hold the record for longest gap between #1s. 

I'll be interested to read Brian's take on Kokomo in his book.  I know he said he thought it was great on Endless Harmony.  And Mike implied that Landy kept Brian from the sessions, but I don't know if Brian ever confirmed that.
KDS -Seems it was Landy-related, IIRC.  But, Brian was on the Spanish version.  Even if they didn't have a #1 for about 20 years, they were still in the market in a less high-profile way with something always playing on the radio.  They still had stuff being released even if it didn't go to #1.  This was dramatic in the early era of VH1 and MTV being played a lot, promoting both the film and the music.  My own kids were young and thought it was cool.                                                           


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 26, 2016, 06:32:43 AM

KDS -Seems it was Landy-related, IIRC.  But, Brian was on the Spanish version.  Even if they didn't have a #1 for about 20 years, they were still in the market in a less high-profile way with something always playing on the radio.  They still had stuff being released even if it didn't go to #1.  This was dramatic in the early era of VH1 and MTV being played a lot, promoting both the film and the music.  My own kids were young and thought it was cool.                                                           

I was eight when Kokomo came out.  And, although it took me a little while longer to fully embrace The Beach Boys, the music video, and their appearance on Full House, were the first time I ever saw The Beach Boys on TV.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 26, 2016, 06:51:56 AM

KDS -Seems it was Landy-related, IIRC.  But, Brian was on the Spanish version.  Even if they didn't have a #1 for about 20 years, they were still in the market in a less high-profile way with something always playing on the radio.  They still had stuff being released even if it didn't go to #1.  This was dramatic in the early era of VH1 and MTV being played a lot, promoting both the film and the music.  My own kids were young and thought it was cool.                                                           

I was eight when Kokomo came out.  And, although it took me a little while longer to fully embrace The Beach Boys, the music video, and their appearance on Full House, were the first time I ever saw The Beach Boys on TV.
KDS - you are about the same age as my oldest. How often is there a #1 hit that both parent and child love?  That is why it was such a shocker when the generations are different but the music is a point of intersection.  And TV spots made it all the sweeter.  I will never forget the night when my kids were watching Full House and hollered to me that The Beach Boys were on.  (I usually "watched with them" to monitor what they were watching.) Pleasant surprise.  And amazing how the music filtered into a new generation.   ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 26, 2016, 07:05:09 AM

KDS -Seems it was Landy-related, IIRC.  But, Brian was on the Spanish version.  Even if they didn't have a #1 for about 20 years, they were still in the market in a less high-profile way with something always playing on the radio.  They still had stuff being released even if it didn't go to #1.  This was dramatic in the early era of VH1 and MTV being played a lot, promoting both the film and the music.  My own kids were young and thought it was cool.                                                           

I was eight when Kokomo came out.  And, although it took me a little while longer to fully embrace The Beach Boys, the music video, and their appearance on Full House, were the first time I ever saw The Beach Boys on TV.
KDS - you are about the same age as my oldest. How often is there a #1 hit that both parent and child love?  That is why it was such a shocker when the generations are different but the music is a point of intersection.  And TV spots made it all the sweeter.  I will never forget the night when my kids were watching Full House and hollered to me that The Beach Boys were on.  (I usually "watched with them" to monitor what they were watching.) Pleasant surprise.  And amazing how the music filtered into a new generation.   ;)

I know he gets a lot of grief, but John Stamos did a lot of good will for The Beach Boys in the late 80s / early 90s. 

That being said, am I a hypocrite for hoping his proposed musical movie, All Summer Long, doesn't happen?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 26, 2016, 07:59:12 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.

It may have had it's good points but for a different generation of fans who weren't around for the group classics. Of course Carl sings well on it but let's face it, he sang well on 99.9% of everything he did, but that doesn't prevent it from being a cheesy song. My kids loved it so I took  them to see the group do it live. Sorry, but myKe's voice has a dirty old man vibe to it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 26, 2016, 08:03:35 AM
The 1980s BBs concert had to be tough since you saw them in their 1960s heyday as an organic group, not the corporation of later years.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 26, 2016, 10:29:02 AM
Yes, the live version in Made in California is excellent*. I like it even more than Kokomo! ** :)

* But what is NOT excellent in that box?
** Please don't hate on me, OSD and SMiLE Brian. I am still a "Brianista"...

You're a good guy, Thor, even IF you like Krapohmoh!

Aw, OSD... Kokomo ain't *that* bad! You gotta admit that Carl's vocals are rad. And even if you're not a Mike fan, at least that song is one of Mike's better vocals - relatively speaking - from a turn-down-the-nasal perspective. It has its good points.

It may have had it's good points but for a different generation of fans who weren't around for the group classics. Of course Carl sings well on it but let's face it, he sang well on 99.9% of everything he did, but that doesn't prevent it from being a cheesy song. My kids loved it so I took  them to see the group do it live. Sorry, but myKe's voice has a dirty old man vibe to it.

I kind of like the song itself, but that sax solo is awful.

I actually prefer Mike's vocals on 'Still Cruisin', personally.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 26, 2016, 10:31:17 AM
The "Kokomo" debate again?

It's pretty simple in some ways: Some folks just hear the song and rate it and don't need to contextualize it at all. That's fine. On that count, I'd say it's a catchy solid song. Not groundbreaking or amazing, but good songs don't always need to be.

Some (including myself) like the song to some degree but, as a scholar/historian/hardcore fan of the band, can't help but contextualize it and see how it both helped and hindered the band. It's emblematic of a lot of good and bad things and lot of turmoil and dichotomies within the band.

In some ways, it is fans who have perhaps contextualized the song more than it needs to be. But the band members, specifically Mike and Bruce especially, have also done a lot of this. If he didn't have to hold the song in esteem in the same way something like "Good Vibrations" is, the song wouldn't be so emblematic of Mike's latter-day attitude.

It's a similar thing with Stamos, it's mostly about context. Although, I would argue that while "Kokomo" is a solid song, Stamos is not a solid musician and really doesn't even bring musicianship to the table even if you're willing to look past what he "represents" to some fans. That Stamos topic has been beaten to death as well, and I don't think anyone much is budging on their opinion on that one either.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 26, 2016, 10:33:28 AM
I kind of like the song itself, but that sax solo is awful.

I actually prefer Mike's vocals on 'Still Cruisin', personally.

Apart from "Wipe Out", the "non-oldies" on "Still Cruisin'" are a decent selection of late 80s BB tracks. Nothing stunning. But those six tracks are quite listenable and hold up, musically, to most of their post-1979, pre-reunion material.

The "Still Cruisin'" tracks could all use a remix to liberate them from excessive vocal processing and crummy 80s drum sounds, though.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 26, 2016, 11:51:46 AM
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The "Still Cruisin'" tracks could all use a remix to liberate them from excessive vocal processing and crummy 80s drum sounds, though.

Agreed, and in fact it's one of the albums I  would *love* to remix myself. The album has a special place in my heart as I bought it the day my wife and I started dating.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 26, 2016, 12:11:13 PM
I wouldn't mind some of the Still Cruisin songs cracking the setlist at a Mike and Bruce show. 

I think they did Still Cruisin at the RAH show at the end of C50. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Eric Aniversario on July 26, 2016, 12:13:09 PM
I wouldn't mind some of the Still Cruisin songs cracking the setlist at a Mike and Bruce show. 

I think they did Still Cruisin at the RAH show at the end of C50. 
I love hearing the title track live! Always a treat!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 26, 2016, 07:47:36 PM
I wouldn't mind some of the Still Cruisin songs cracking the setlist at a Mike and Bruce show. 

I think they did Still Cruisin at the RAH show at the end of C50. 

I've heard Still Cruisin' a couple times live and it works well enough. It's usually snuck-in just before the car songs, either after "Betsy" or "Don't Worry Baby". It keeps the theme going and even though most folks don't know it, they've seemed into it.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: mabewa on July 27, 2016, 02:33:53 AM
I wouldn't mind some of the Still Cruisin songs cracking the setlist at a Mike and Bruce show. 

I think they did Still Cruisin at the RAH show at the end of C50. 

They actually did 'Still Cruisin' a number of times (at least several times) in C50...  they introduced it for a while, and it was appearing on and off, then it disappeared, and it came back at the RAH show when they did everything! 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 27, 2016, 05:12:58 AM
I wouldn't mind some of the Still Cruisin songs cracking the setlist at a Mike and Bruce show. 

I think they did Still Cruisin at the RAH show at the end of C50. 

I've heard Still Cruisin' a couple times live and it works well enough. It's usually snuck-in just before the car songs, either after "Betsy" or "Don't Worry Baby". It keeps the theme going and even though most folks don't know it, they've seemed into it.

Makes sense.  I think that the Still Cruisin LP (despite the Fat Boys song and the oldies) is easily the best Beach Boys 1980s release.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: filledeplage on July 27, 2016, 06:44:00 AM
I wouldn't mind some of the Still Cruisin songs cracking the setlist at a Mike and Bruce show. 

I think they did Still Cruisin at the RAH show at the end of C50. 

They actually did 'Still Cruisin' a number of times (at least several times) in C50...  they introduced it for a while, and it was appearing on and off, then it disappeared, and it came back at the RAH show when they did everything! 

Still Cruisin' has a sort of a funky retro groove.  It does find occasionally it's way into the setlists.  I like it.  ;)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on July 27, 2016, 07:58:04 AM
I remember some folks being kind of "bleh" about "Still Cruisin'" popping up in the middle of the C50 tour. While there certainly were/are other songs I'd rather hear, I remember actually defending the choice to do the song on that tour, if for no other reason than to better represent the 80s and specifically the late 80s. As it was, the 80s were only represented regularly by "Kokomo", with "Getcha Back" and "California Dreamin'" popping up at some but not all shows.

I thought it was also further indication (not that it was needed) that Brian's band could knock out the more Mike-centric stuff that they had never (and subsequently would never again) perform, and do *that* stuff as well as anybody too.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 27, 2016, 08:01:20 AM
They played it July 3, 2012 in VA Beach (my birthday :P)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: guitarfool2002 on July 27, 2016, 08:03:53 AM
Ever notice how Still Cruisin sounds a lot like The Mountains High by Dick and DeeDee?

The Mountains High: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOQ5Re4un4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJOQ5Re4un4)

Maybe AN AWFUL LOT like The Mountains High... ;D

EDIT: Here is a "studio" version in stereo...apparently a UK release of the Liberty original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDujuqesIO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDujuqesIO8)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 27, 2016, 08:11:17 AM
Still plagiarizing after all of these years.... :lol

Mike Love and Terry Melcher were so brilliant compared to Brian Wilson....


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 27, 2016, 09:09:38 AM
They played it July 3, 2012 in VA Beach (my birthday :P)

Happy Birthday, guy! Hope you had a good SB type day.  :h5 :happydance :woot


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 27, 2016, 02:01:09 PM
Plenty of fun on my birthday! 8)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: startBBtoday on July 27, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
Still plagiarizing after all of these years.... :lol

Mike Love and Terry Melcher were so brilliant compared to Brian Wilson....

Great straw man argument.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on July 27, 2016, 08:53:06 PM
Another missed opportunity in a career filled with them. If they had been able to follow up Kokomo with a solid, full album with another single, maybe they don't descend as much into the 90s touring band version.  Somewhere Near Japan could have been the single, the other songs form a solid base. Instead the feud between Al and Mike blew up, SIP happened, , the cheerleaders happened, Stamos rose up, etc.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: KDS on July 28, 2016, 05:10:21 AM
Another missed opportunity in a career filled with them. If they had been able to follow up Kokomo with a solid, full album with another single, maybe they don't descend as much into the 90s touring band version.  Somewhere Near Japan could have been the single, the other songs form a solid base. Instead the feud between Al and Mike blew up, SIP happened, , the cheerleaders happened, Stamos rose up, etc.

Not to mention the whole fiasco with Landy.  He kept Brian from making new music with The Beach Boys around this time, and I think the whole thing was a distraction. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: tpesky on July 28, 2016, 07:33:29 AM
Another missed opportunity in a career filled with them. If they had been able to follow up Kokomo with a solid, full album with another single, maybe they don't descend as much into the 90s touring band version.  Somewhere Near Japan could have been the single, the other songs form a solid base. Instead the feud between Al and Mike blew up, SIP happened, , the cheerleaders happened, Stamos rose up, etc.


Not to mention the whole fiasco with Landy.  He kept Brian from making new music with The Beach Boys around this time, and I think the whole thing was a distraction. 

Totally agree.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on July 28, 2016, 07:49:08 AM
Another missed opportunity in a career filled with them. If they had been able to follow up Kokomo with a solid, full album with another single, maybe they don't descend as much into the 90s touring band version.  Somewhere Near Japan could have been the single, the other songs form a solid base. Instead the feud between Al and Mike blew up, SIP happened, , the cheerleaders happened, Stamos rose up, etc.

Yep, myKe luHv's "Plan 9 From Outer Space" to bring the group and it's sagging image to new, record setting levels of cheeziness. Well done, Clarabelle. ::)


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on August 22, 2016, 10:11:57 AM
I went to the show last night at Meijer Gardens in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Last year, I was able to bring my parents (first time seeing the Beach Boys) and my wife. This year, my parents, my wife and two sons (4 and 6) attended. My boys have been raised on the Beach Boys, the Beatles and Disney music. Not the most relaxing show I've been to since I was mainly concerned with making sure they could see and meeting other needs (restroom, food, etc.). It was an experience I wouldn't trade for anything--I still need to talk to them to see what they thought of the experience (sleeping by the time we got to the car and zombies this morning before I left for work).

Overall, your pretty standard show. No Temptations for us, so it appears we got an additional 4-5 songs compared to the show The Cincinnati Kid attended. Highlights for me:

- Opening set of six songs - my boys really like the surf numbers
- The four car songs - again, my boys got into the songs and enjoyed the accompanying videos
- Rhonda through the end - repetitive, but those were songs they were hoping to hear and they were really into it (Sloop John B was also a highlight for my oldest)

A couple of oddities:
- I had debated doing the VIP meet & greet for this show, but decided it was going to be too tricky with all the family I was bringing. I noticed one family of three attempting to redeem their VIP experience and it appeared local security and the box office were not prepared to accommodate. I noticed they eventually got taken backstage by Tara and the daughter was brought up during "Barbara Ann". They also brought out a couple during "Good Vibrations" who appeared to have purchased VIP tickets. I would say, if going on stage with the Beach Boys is a lifelong dream, you probably have a pretty good shot on this tour if you purchase the VIP package.
- The woman in front of us Googled "Al Jardine" a couple of songs into the show. It seemed like she was trying to determine if he was up on stage. Clearly, the touring Beach Boys get a lot of people coming to their shows that have no idea about the current band politics.
- During the beginning of "Be True to Your School" - Tim's keyboard malfunctioned and there was no creaking noise when Mike got up. It seemed to throw them off for a split second, but recovered with some ribbing directed towards Tim.
- During Mike's intro to "Pisces Brother" - a little girl threw the beach ball that the family brought, which followed with the mother shouting "no", "stop", "no" as she tried to recover the ball. Very awkward, but Mike plowed through his normal spiel.
- At the end of the show, some guy behind he started yelling something to the effect of "Mike, what about Brian? You never mentioned him!" Mind you we were 50 yards from the stage, no way the band could hear. Why exactly come to the show if you are that offended by the two separate camps at the moment? Very odd, I'm sure the guy felt good to get that off his chest.


Per usual, I was very unimpressed by the merchandise selection. I took some photos so people could see the current offerings. How they consistently have nothing that interests me, a massive fan, is beyond belief.

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Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on August 22, 2016, 10:36:34 AM
Thanks for sharing...sounds like a day in the life on the Mike and Bruce tour! :lol

As far as merch, my girlfriend and I both got the shirt with the bus on the front and the dates on the back. But yes, typically the merch is quite lackluster. Nice to see them keeping the deeper Pet Sounds songs in the show too! We got all those, plus "Caroline No" & "Here Today" at the Kennedy Center.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Marty Castillo on August 22, 2016, 11:49:08 AM
Thanks for sharing...sounds like a day in the life on the Mike and Bruce tour! :lol

As far as merch, my girlfriend and I both got the shirt with the bus on the front and the dates on the back. But yes, typically the merch is quite lackluster. Nice to see them keeping the deeper Pet Sounds songs in the show too! We got all those, plus "Caroline No" & "Here Today" at the Kennedy Center.

I heard "Caroline No" and "Here Today" at the KC show I went to in May--"I'm Waiting for the Day" was new for me.

I was hoping for a hat with the classic script logo--I got a blue hat last summer with "Summer Days" on the side. My wife got the women's Pet Sounds shirt, I didn't like the design of the 50th shirt and hate ringers. Oh well, kept some money in my pocket.

One more thing I forgot to mention, Mike had some sort of blue scarf on stage that was apparently made in India. He talked about it for a couple of minutes (made a Steven Tyler joke), mentioned they were for sale at the merch table with 100% of proceeds going to clean water efforts. He made a joke about bringing the initiative to Flint. He also joked that he couldn't make the same guarantee about the shirts and hats.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Sam_BFC on August 22, 2016, 12:11:17 PM
I hope Betsy makes it back to the set list.
Calling Scott T...


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: thatjacob on October 06, 2016, 02:58:11 PM
I just checked ticket prices for the newly announced Atlanta show...

$86 for most floor seats and $72 for most of the mezzanine, not counting fees.
I think I'm going to have to sit this one out unless I find some cheap last minute tickets on stubhub under face value or "all I wanna do" becomes a permanent setlist addition for this tour.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Emdeeh on October 06, 2016, 05:41:55 PM
I was astonished to hear an ad for Mike and Bruce's Atlanta show on the local classic rock station this morning. I think it's the first time I've ever heard any BB music played on that station, besides the background vocals on "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me."

FWIW, the place M&B are playing is a very nice venue, with good sound and sight lines.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: thatjacob on October 06, 2016, 06:48:39 PM
Yeah, I saw Sufjan Stevens at that venue not too long ago. I was impressed with it. Still, as much as I enjoy seeing Mike and Bruce live, I can't justify paying $10-15 more a ticket to see them than I did for good seats to see Brian at The Fox.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: RubberSoul13 on October 06, 2016, 07:56:27 PM
I was astonished to hear an ad for Mike and Bruce's Atlanta show on the local classic rock station this morning. I think it's the first time I've ever heard any BB music played on that station, besides the background vocals on "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me."

FWIW, the place M&B are playing is a very nice venue, with good sound and sight lines.

Every now and then "Good Vibrations" finds its way onto our local classic rock station, and they advertise both Mike&Bruce and Brian&Al shows.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: JK on November 01, 2016, 03:18:54 AM
Not 2016 but 2017. Mike, Bruce, Jeff and band are coming to a venue near me!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: barsone on November 13, 2016, 11:58:55 PM
Hi everyone,

My daughter and I went to Mike's Seattle show on Saturday night.  We got very lucky.  Two weeks ago, Mike had his book signing in Seattle for his book.  We both went to the signing and at the end, Mike's wife Jackie raffled off three pairs of tickets to Saturday's (11/12) show.  Katie, my daughter, got lucky and won a pair of tickets.  We waited two weeks and last Friday night before the show, we finally got the e-mail from Mike's tour manager saying congrats, you have 2 tickets to the meet n greet.  A very nice surprise.

Folks, Brian Eichenberger, the addition to the band from the Four Freshmen, has a SET of pipes.  Obviously the sound guys on the side can do wonderful stuff to enhance the quality of the on stage voice.  No enhancement needed with Brian E. !!!   All we see on these threads are about how the Mike show is bare bones.  I don't get that garbage.  Mike now has 8 people in the group.   Mike/Bruce/Scott/Foskett/Bonhomme/Cowsill/Eichenberger/Leago.

Here is what I noticed from past MB shows.  Adding the newest member, Randy Leago, adds a huge amount of percussion (saxes/flutes/ets) that Mike hasn't had in the group for a long time.  I saw the band last September in Seattle (a casino show)  shortly after both Brian E. and foskett had joined the band.  The venue sucked but I also felt maybe Scott T. hadn't yet been able to "meld" the guys into the group yet.  And yes, I think this stuff takes time.

I saw BW at the same venue here in Seattle 34 days ago with his Pets Sounds tour.  Yes still two different types of bands but I mean this....they are getting closer together on the Pet Sounds stuff.  My opinion is the "healthy" competition is good for the consumer.   Both bands have strengths but their individual weaknesses are narrowing rapidly

I love the Beach Boys...I love Brian Wilson.....get on their tour pages....go see them....especially if its a concert hall.....you won't regret it.....even you OSD


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on November 14, 2016, 07:13:35 AM
A few things concerning Mike's show being "bare bones":

The eighth guy was added this year. I have no idea if he's permanent. Someone suggested he was added to flesh out the songs for the mini-PS set played at some show. But in any event, the band has been a seven-piece for most of the last 15-plus years, with the occasional extra added (Joel Peskin and other woodwind guys have been out there from time to time, and of course Stamos on and off).

More importantly, the person usually highlighting the cost and depth of live touring bands has been Mike Love himself. He several times made varying comments about the C50 band suggesting it was too big (saying there were too many vocalists and musicians "competing" for parts). He referenced the band being too expensive.

I've never begrudged that Mike puts on a pro show, for which he owes his thanks to Scott Totten more than any one else. Totten is probably more key to the live show than anyone since Carl in the 80s and 90s in terms of tightening up the band and making them sound clean and pro.

Most commentary I've seen in recent years concerning Mike's band is not that it's too small to perform a professional, tight show. It has mostly been the (correct in my opinion) observation that Mike runs a cheaper, leaner band both in terms of cost (they rent gear in each town, etc.) and number of band members (fewer than Brian or C50). I've heard Mike's band in many iterations, and Totten's tenure has resulted in the cleanest post-1998 shows, no question.

It has been the case for eons that you'll get a more slick, less bumpy ride on Mike's show compared to Brian's. That's just how Brian rolls. But Brian's band's depth is still the reason they can rattle off the entire PS album on short notice. Matt Jardine's falsetto is a *key* ingredient now in Brian's band. While Brian's in a bit rougher shape than he was like a decade ago, Matt's falsetto has probably single-handedly breathed more life into Brian's band than anything I've heard in ages. And, most importantly, especially with Al in tow, Brian's shows do attain that sort of near-religious, spiritual experience sort of thing that is kind of unquantifiable. I'm probably more analytical and less prone to hyperbole about Brian's shows than many or most Brian/BB fans, but hearing Brian and Al sing "I Know There's An Answer" is something that is never going to be topped by Brian Eichenburger singing deep cuts from "Today" or "Summer Days", or Foskett attempting "Surf's Up" while wearing a Hawaiian shirt and standing next to Mike Love, seemingly ready and drooling over the prospect to take the reigns of Mike's band when Mike finally does retire.



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on November 14, 2016, 07:46:10 AM
HJ's last paragraph says it all, for me at least. Having Brian who wrote, arranged, produced and sang is what propels the experience to a special zone that no other performer could. Al, Matt, Blondie and the band are second to none. Why pour vinegar over a perfect apple pie?


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: thorgil on November 14, 2016, 08:02:42 AM
OSD, I love when you write constructive posts. And agree 100%.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: barsone on November 14, 2016, 10:40:14 AM
Greats comments guys

HJ, I'd have to go back into Bellagio and see the line-ups of the MB shows I've seen post 98.  I know I've seen just 6 people on stage for a Mike show.  Obviously this could have been a one off situation and in the pre-Totten years after 98.  Your comments about Scott Totten are right on 100% and Mike owes this gent a debt of gratitude when he hangs up his surfboard.  Leago was very prominent during the "Pet Sounds" part of the show.  Interesting comments about why he added which do make a lot of sense.  He came out front 3 or 4 times with his sax a wailing which made me chuckle during the show, thinking back to all the fair shows I saw in the 80's with Mike a wailing. on his sax.

I posted last month after I saw the BW show at the same venue that Matt in my opinion stole the show.   HJ, have you seen a MB show since Brian E has joined the line-up ?  If not, go see them to compare the band versus the last MB/Totten show you've seen. I guess that's the point I'm trying to make.  I was hugely surprised and impressed with the acapella rendition of Hearts Are Full Of Spring.   It was Scott T/Bruce/Brian E/ and Mike.  Beautifully done and the audience responded.  No, not a deep BB or BW song as many want hear on these threads, but a very BW-like sound.

My main sense leaving the show.  I saw this band in a casino last Sept 28 2015.  I get it...crappy acoustics....but from then to now....Scott has, as was mentioned, "tightened up" this band in the another notch in the past year and I feel Scott has tons more flexibility with Brian E in the band.  Four California shows in the next 7 days.  Hopefully these are in great venues.  Go see them if they are in your area and make your own comparisons......if not satisfied, send me your ticket stub and I'll buy your tickey.  I mean it. 

And yes Thorgil, its so nice to read a positive post (even with a little vinegar) from the old grump. 



Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on November 14, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
Greats comments guys

HJ, I'd have to go back into Bellagio and see the line-ups of the MB shows I've seen post 98.  I know I've seen just 6 people on stage for a Mike show.  Obviously this could have been a one off situation and in the pre-Totten years after 98.  Your comments about Scott Totten are right on 100% and Mike owes this gent a debt of gratitude when he hangs up his surfboard.  Leago was very prominent during the "Pet Sounds" part of the show.  Interesting comments about why he added which do make a lot of sense.  He came out front 3 or 4 times with his sax a wailing which made me chuckle during the show, thinking back to all the fair shows I saw in the 80's with Mike a wailing. on his sax.

I posted last month after I saw the BW show at the same venue that Matt in my opinion stole the show.   HJ, have you seen a MB show since Brian E has joined the line-up ?  If not, go see them to compare the band versus the last MB/Totten show you've seen. I guess that's the point I'm trying to make.  I was hugely surprised and impressed with the acapella rendition of Hearts Are Full Of Spring.   It was Scott T/Bruce/Brian E/ and Mike.  Beautifully done and the audience responded.  No, not a deep BB or BW song as many want hear on these threads, but a very BW-like sound.

My main sense leaving the show.  I saw this band in a casino last Sept 28 2015.  I get it...crappy acoustics....but from then to now....Scott has, as was mentioned, "tightened up" this band in the another notch in the past year and I feel Scott has tons more flexibility with Brian E in the band.  Four California shows in the next 7 days.  Hopefully these are in great venues.  Go see them if they are in your area and make your own comparisons......if not satisfied, send me your ticket stub and I'll buy your tickey.  I mean it. 

And yes Thorgil, its so nice to read a positive post (even with a little vinegar) from the old grump. 



It's tough when it comes to Mike's band. I've said before that my main hang up at *this* particular point in time for not seeing Mike's show does have mostly to do with Mike's attitude and the aftermath of C50. I totally own my decision (obviously). I've said before that, had C50 ended differently (an organized, temporary pause for instance, with more dates with the band coming back together to follow), I probably would have considered seeing Mike's band after seeing Totten and Cowsill integrate so well with Brian's band.

I think Mike's band was sounding pretty "meh" in the late 90s and early 2000s. It was basically the mid-late 90s band, but without Carl or Al or Matt, and sounding more haggard and sterile. I think there was a legit musical reason to skip his show back then. I think Al's show in 1999 and then Brian's show from 1999 into the 2000s did slowly lead to Mike upping his game both in terms of the composition of the band as well as the setlist.

Any legit musical reason for skipping the show now would not necessarily be invalid, but would have more to do with the extensive amount of non-Beach Boys singing leads, and things like that. There are others; I think Mike shreds his voice too much. His voice is in pretty decent shape overall for being 75 and touring all year, every year. But if he gave his voice a rest, I think it would actually sound better. I actually think his "light" touring year in 2012 actually had him in noticeably better voice. He essentially didn't tour for the first four months of 2012 (and probably not much the last few months of 2011), and sounded quite good on C50.

Back to the current band, I just think Mike's attitude towards Brian and Brian's "camp" is so ugly and divisive that there's something just extra unsettling and sad about seeing Foskett (who I'm increasingly becoming less and less a fan of the more I hear, though it's impossible to really elaborate unfortunately) sing "Surf's Up" or "Ike" (another guy poached in a rather political fashion) sing a Brian track off of "Pet Sounds." It's all musically solid. The worst I can say is that there's one better guy (Matt) doing falsettos in another band. But Mike's band has upped the sound and setlist, no question. But it's fronted buy a guy who gives the appearance of hating at least one key member of Brian's family, reminds people constantly of the mistakes his cousins made 30 to 40 years ago, likens that same one family member to Landy, and who appears (in my opinion) to build his admittedly solid band in part based on political motivations by signing up members from Brian's band.

To be clear, the band has never been free of politics and personnel changes and all of that. Mike just hasn't taken the very simple steps it would take to warm a ton of extra fans to him and his show.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: The LEGENDARY OSD on November 14, 2016, 05:58:37 PM
Greats comments guys

HJ, I'd have to go back into Bellagio and see the line-ups of the MB shows I've seen post 98.  I know I've seen just 6 people on stage for a Mike show.  Obviously this could have been a one off situation and in the pre-Totten years after 98.  Your comments about Scott Totten are right on 100% and Mike owes this gent a debt of gratitude when he hangs up his surfboard.  Leago was very prominent during the "Pet Sounds" part of the show.  Interesting comments about why he added which do make a lot of sense.  He came out front 3 or 4 times with his sax a wailing which made me chuckle during the show, thinking back to all the fair shows I saw in the 80's with Mike a wailing. on his sax.

I posted last month after I saw the BW show at the same venue that Matt in my opinion stole the show.   HJ, have you seen a MB show since Brian E has joined the line-up ?  If not, go see them to compare the band versus the last MB/Totten show you've seen. I guess that's the point I'm trying to make.  I was hugely surprised and impressed with the acapella rendition of Hearts Are Full Of Spring.   It was Scott T/Bruce/Brian E/ and Mike.  Beautifully done and the audience responded.  No, not a deep BB or BW song as many want hear on these threads, but a very BW-like sound.

My main sense leaving the show.  I saw this band in a casino last Sept 28 2015.  I get it...crappy acoustics....but from then to now....Scott has, as was mentioned, "tightened up" this band in the another notch in the past year and I feel Scott has tons more flexibility with Brian E in the band.  Four California shows in the next 7 days.  Hopefully these are in great venues.  Go see them if they are in your area and make your own comparisons......if not satisfied, send me your ticket stub and I'll buy your tickey.  I mean it. 

And yes Thorgil, its so nice to read a positive post (even with a little vinegar) from the old grump. 



Barsone...don't get too comfy with what you called a "positive" post by me about your buddy myKe luHv. You go and see the myKe and br00th band all you want and I'll see Brian, you know the real deal. And when you start slinging the "old grump" thing around, try to remember that old brown shoe fits the luHvster quite unlike any other. 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: NateRuvin on November 15, 2016, 08:46:37 AM
I'll get a lot of hate for saying this, but I think MB band sounds better than Brian's. Sure, the Pet Sounds tracks don't have that Wall of Sound, but I'd say overall the vocals are more consistent. Brian has been doing his talky thing lately, which just doesn't do the PS material justice. Scott Totten sounds great on IWFTD. With that being said, seeing Brian play the BBs music is more spiritually rewarding, because it's such a miracle to see him up there on stage.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on November 15, 2016, 09:36:01 AM
And there's the rub. For EONS, it could be said that there were younger, more consistent singers than at least *some* of the Beach Boys that could have sang this stuff.

They could have just given all of Mike's leads to Matt Jardine back in 1993. They could have had Bobby Figueroa or Billy Hinsche sing Dennis's leads in the late 70s.

What sort of trade off a fan is willing to seek out is of course quite subjective. As I've said, Mike's show has far less bumps and ups and downs, purely in terms of comparing to Brian's leads at shows. The difference is, and I say this very literally and analytically and not emotionally, there are a TON of people who could sing like Scott Totten (no knock on the guy, I agreed sometime back that if anyone was going to poach anyone, *Brian* should have poached Totten and Cowsill) or Eichenburger, etc., but there's only one Brian Wilson or Al Jardine to see and hear.

Also, Brian's show is almost more a showcase largely for Brian's catalog of songs. Brian performs *very few* songs he didn't co-write.

Whereas, Mike's setlist is littered both with typically more covers, and littered with songs Brian wrote *without* Mike.

Totten or Ike can sing a great lead vocal. So can the Fendertones guys. So do those guys from the "Rain" Beatles tribute band. And no, I'm not calling Mike's band a "tribute band." But his band is inevitably going to have that vibe a bit more when so much of the show is handed off to other singers, *and* the band's leader (Mike) is presenting a bunch of songs he didn't write. Brian hands off some leads too, though relatively few outside of Al (and I consider Matt a de facto Beach Boy based on his 90s work with the band), and Brian's show features *very few* non-Brian songs.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: SMiLE Brian on November 15, 2016, 10:17:33 AM
Exactly Jude, and the non-BBs songs in BW's shows play to his "eccentric" persona! ;D 


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: donald on November 16, 2016, 04:54:54 PM
Won't be long before these high quality shows are no more.   I f you haven' t had your fill of live Beachboys, go see either or when you can.   I've slowed my pace of chasing these guys around the map but glad I've seen both numerous times these past few years, through the personnel changes since C50, and have no regrets, just good memories.   While  I've been taken aback by changes in both bands, the sonic results are nothing but pleasing.  Go see em!


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pacific Ocean Blue on November 22, 2016, 12:54:14 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-38050391


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: JK on December 13, 2016, 02:53:46 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-38050391

I take it you'll be there, POB? It's my turn the following month. I've seen Brian, now it's time to see Mike...   


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: HeyJude on December 17, 2016, 08:56:59 PM
Caught Mike's band last night on a return visit to the Hollywood Christmas Parade. Last year the band mimed Mike's solo XMas song. This time, they mimed "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring." The show was filled with a lot of awkward b-list and c-list appearances. Even in Mike's scaled back state, any version of "The Beach Boys" was sadly one of the more high profile guests.


Title: Re: Mike and Bruce Tour 2016
Post by: Pacific Ocean Blue on January 04, 2017, 09:06:32 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-38050391

I take it you'll be there, POB? It's my turn the following month. I've seen Brian, now it's time to see Mike...   

They have a date in May for Glasgow so I'll go to that one I think