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Title: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 08, 2015, 08:53:21 AM
Hello All,

I've been involved in a few discussions on here about the great Pink Floyd, my favorite band. 

And it seems a good time to start a thread about them as David Gilmour just released an album, and Roger Waters is doing a benefit show in DC. 

Any other Floyd fanatics out there?  If so, favorite album?  Song?  Era of the group?  Live experiences?

Sadly, I got into Floyd too late to see them in concert.  Their final tour was 1994, as I was graduating middle school.  Although, it was a thrill to watch the reunited group on live TV in 2005 for Live 8. 

I've seen Roger Waters five times, twice on his In the Flesh Tour, twice on the Darkside of the Moon tour, and once with The Wall.  All great shows. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: pixletwin on October 08, 2015, 09:51:54 AM
Definitely in my top 5 favorite groups. My favorite album is probably The Wall. Nobody Home is among my favorites. My favorite era of the group has to be the Syd period though. As far as a live group I think they were at their beset in 1972. Live at Pompeii is probably the best live album ever recorded.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: JK on October 08, 2015, 10:40:11 AM
Found this old thread (I knew there was at least one):

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8026.0.html

Mods, is it possible to combine them? It seems a shame to waste all these earlier folks' opinions----all grist to the mill, you know. :hat

 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 08, 2015, 10:40:52 AM
It's really hard for me to pick a favorite Floyd era.  

To me, it's a tie between the "classic" era of Meddle, Obscured By Clouds, Darkside, and Wish You Were Here, and the Waters era with Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut.  

My favorite album is probably Wish You Were Here.  

Pompeii is a great document of the live Floyd.  It's too bad there really isn't much else documented from the classic line-up.  There's Pompeii, and some never officially released Wall concerts.  


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: JK on October 09, 2015, 02:17:58 AM
I've never taken to Roger Waters, just as I've never taken to Mick Jagger----no idea why.

Unsurprisingly, then,  my two favourite PF albums are Piper and Wish You Were Here. Most of the other stuff just makes me miss Syd's presence.  

Other PF threads:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8026.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12692.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9822.0.html
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10112.0.html


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 09, 2015, 09:33:39 PM
Mr. K,

You've never taken to Roger Waters.  I guess you and I can't discuss how I think that Amused to Death is one of the greatest albums of the 1990s (I know, not saying much). 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: JK on October 10, 2015, 02:04:00 AM
Mr. K,

You've never taken to Roger Waters.  I guess you and I can't discuss how I think that Amused to Death is one of the greatest albums of the 1990s (I know, not saying much). 

Well. When someone rates an album that highly, I'd be a fool not to at least give it a try. Which i shall do soon. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Pim on October 10, 2015, 11:55:22 AM
Amused To Death is awesome. I love the early Syd-floyd (the first two albums) and the 'classic' Floyd (Meddle - The Wall). The Gilmour Floyd doesn't do much for me and the post-Syd, pre-'concept' Floyd (Atom Heart Mother etc.) is a bit too experimental for me (though there are some great songs here and there).


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 11, 2015, 09:10:58 PM
Mr. K,

You've never taken to Roger Waters.  I guess you and I can't discuss how I think that Amused to Death is one of the greatest albums of the 1990s (I know, not saying much). 

Well. When someone rates an album that highly, I'd be a fool not to at least give it a try. Which i shall do soon. 

I honestly think if the album had been released under the Pink Floyd banner, it would be a revered as Darkside or The Wall. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: JK on October 13, 2015, 01:59:00 AM
KDS, I've listened to ATD and... I'm afraid it leaves me cold.

So, no change in my attitude to RW. To each their own, as they say...


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 13, 2015, 05:45:24 AM
KDS, I've listened to ATD and... I'm afraid it leaves me cold.

So, no change in my attitude to RW. To each their own, as they say...

At least you gave it a try.  But if you're not into the Waters era of Floyd (Animals, The Wall, The Final Cut), then you're probably not going to much care for ATD.

I'm on the other side of the fence, where I think the Syd material, while good, tends to get a little overrated because of what happened to him.     


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Esoteric on October 19, 2015, 07:20:17 PM
I was lucky to see them in concert on September 21st, 1987 in Toronto where they opened with "Echoes" which is easily my favorite Floyd song. I'm sorry I missed them on the 1994 tour but I was broke at the time. On a related note, I see a lot of BB influence on Rick Wright's early songs, especially "It Would Be So Nice" and "Summer '68".


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Douchepool on October 19, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
I'm on the other side of the fence, where I think the Syd material, while good, tends to get a little overrated because of what happened to him.     

I think Arnaldo Baptista (Os Mutantes) has become the new Syd Barrett. Syd's become trendy, and we all don't like trends. :)


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 20, 2015, 05:06:56 AM
I was lucky to see them in concert on September 21st, 1987 in Toronto where they opened with "Echoes" which is easily my favorite Floyd song. I'm sorry I missed them on the 1994 tour but I was broke at the time. On a related note, I see a lot of BB influence on Rick Wright's early songs, especially "It Would Be So Nice" and "Summer '68".

Summer '68 is one of their most underrated songs.  I'm in the minority in that I liked their "experimental period" from 1968-1970 better than the Syd era.  I think Atom Heart Mother is a really good album (would be great if not for Alan's Psychadelic Breakfast). 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 20, 2015, 08:15:28 AM
My favourite period is from Ummagumma leading up 'till Dark Side. The whole band dynamic changed with the mega success of DSOTM and not for the better.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 20, 2015, 08:23:37 AM
My favourite period is from Ummagumma leading up 'till Dark Side. The whole band dynamic changed with the mega success of DSOTM and not for the better.

I really like it all, so it's really hard for me to pick my favorite era. 

I love everything they did in the 1970s, so that really spans the experimental era, the "classic" era, and the Roger Waters era.

Sadly, as much as I love DSOTM, working in radio killed Time, Money, Brian Damage, and Eclipse for me.  I'm sure one day, I'll be able to sit and enjoy that album again. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Douchepool on October 20, 2015, 09:11:32 AM
Ummagumma doesn't get enough respect. Any decent best-of should include Grantchester Meadows.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 20, 2015, 09:42:37 AM
Ummagumma doesn't get enough respect. Any decent best-of should include Grantchester Meadows.

The live part of Ummagumma is great.

Sysyphus has it's moments.  I like The Narrow Way and Grantchester Meadows a lot.  Not keen on Grand Vizier or Several Species.  Sometimes during this time period, they got a little too experimental for my taste (ie. Alan's Psychadelic Breakfast). 

I think this version outshines the Roger only studio cut.  I've also heard full band versions of The Narrow Way Part 3 that I like better than the David only studio version.  It's a shame none of this stuff has ever gotten a legit release. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH0FUJ7PKzM


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Unreconstructed Wilsonite on October 21, 2015, 05:44:29 PM
Pink Floyd has always been among my favourite bands. Though I have a preference for the Barrett years, I'm also very fond of the Waters-dominated period. I'll never forget when I went to see Roger Waters live as my first concert in 2012, an absolutely spectacular experience.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Douchepool on October 21, 2015, 07:49:06 PM
Ummagumma doesn't get enough respect. Any decent best-of should include Grantchester Meadows.

The live part of Ummagumma is great.

Sysyphus has it's moments.  I like The Narrow Way and Grantchester Meadows a lot.  Not keen on Grand Vizier or Several Species.  Sometimes during this time period, they got a little too experimental for my taste (ie. Alan's Psychadelic Breakfast). 

I think this version outshines the Roger only studio cut.  I've also heard full band versions of The Narrow Way Part 3 that I like better than the David only studio version.  It's a shame none of this stuff has ever gotten a legit release. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH0FUJ7PKzM

Oh man, the KQED show. I have the Harvested "remastered" DVD of that program. Amazing stuff. I would LOVE to see that become a proper release. So many great soundboards covering their whole career that they could put out, but...nada.

I can sort of dig where they're coming from; they want the released albums and singles to stand as their legacy. I don't think they'd be in a rush to release the Montreal gig from '77, for example. :lol


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 22, 2015, 05:29:12 AM
Ummagumma doesn't get enough respect. Any decent best-of should include Grantchester Meadows.

The live part of Ummagumma is great.

Sysyphus has it's moments.  I like The Narrow Way and Grantchester Meadows a lot.  Not keen on Grand Vizier or Several Species.  Sometimes during this time period, they got a little too experimental for my taste (ie. Alan's Psychadelic Breakfast). 

I think this version outshines the Roger only studio cut.  I've also heard full band versions of The Narrow Way Part 3 that I like better than the David only studio version.  It's a shame none of this stuff has ever gotten a legit release. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH0FUJ7PKzM

Oh man, the KQED show. I have the Harvested "remastered" DVD of that program. Amazing stuff. I would LOVE to see that become a proper release. So many great soundboards covering their whole career that they could put out, but...nada.

I can sort of dig where they're coming from; they want the released albums and singles to stand as their legacy. I don't think they'd be in a rush to release the Montreal gig from '77, for example. :lol

I was hoping one day that Floyd would release some sort of live anthology CD box set.  I know they've released some live tracks on the uber expensive immersion re-releases of their albums.  But to me, it's not worth the money to buy the albums I already have with some tracks that I've owned for years on b@@ts. 

I really thought they might release a Pink Floyd The Wall show for the 30th Anniversary.  But with Roger promoting the film and CD from his Wall tour, that seems more unlikely now than ever. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Douchepool on October 23, 2015, 01:40:00 PM
Well, they already did release it...sort of. It was a compilation from all of the gigs. I don't think the video footage from the gigs is salvageable unless they're sitting on other stuff that hasn't leaked.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on October 23, 2015, 10:26:33 PM
Well, they already did release it...sort of. It was a compilation from all of the gigs. I don't think the video footage from the gigs is salvageable unless they're sitting on other stuff that hasn't leaked.

They released a really good CD set in 2000.  I have yet to see it, but I've heard there's a good....shhhh....b@@tleg of one the Earl's Court shows going around.  I had a VHS from a Wall show in New York, and it was OK at best. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Cool Cool Water on November 16, 2015, 12:18:04 PM
I've always preferred the early Floyd with Syd.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on November 16, 2015, 12:41:56 PM
I've always preferred the early Floyd with Syd.

I'm more partial to Gilmour as a guitarist, but Syd taught David how to play. 

The Floyd did some brilliant stuff when Syd was their main man.  It's interesting to ponder what kind of music they'd have done had Syd been able to keep himself together. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Emily on November 16, 2015, 05:18:52 PM
I've always preferred the early Floyd with Syd.

I'm more partial to Gilmour as a guitarist, but Syd taught David how to play. 

The Floyd did some brilliant stuff when Syd was their main man.  It's interesting to ponder what kind of music they'd have done had Syd been able to keep himself together. 
My impression is that Gilmour was playing guitar before he met Syd (starting when he was very young) and that he was always technically a better player.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mike's Beard on November 16, 2015, 09:38:23 PM
Dave taught Syd how to play guys!


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Emily on November 16, 2015, 09:53:23 PM
Dave taught Syd how to play guys!
Yeah. I'm actually reading a bio of Syd currently and it seems that he was just noodling right up to '66.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on November 17, 2015, 05:15:51 AM
Dave taught Syd how to play guys!

Wow.  I can't believe I goofed that up.  I guess I'm a little rusty on my Pink Floyd history. 

I've been peaking at some David Gilmour setlists from the UK.  I'm pretty confident he's not going to be touring the States.  I see he's still including Astronomy Domine in his sets.  During his shows for On an Island, he was alternating Dark Globe, Dominoes, Astronomy Domine, and Arnold Layne.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on February 12, 2016, 05:41:00 AM
Wanted to revive this thread to discuss a fairly recent Floyd release.

Has anybody seen the film Roger Waters - The Wall.  Apparently, it's up for a Grammy this weekend. 

I got the Blu Ray for Christmas, and sat down to watch it on Sunday. 

I found the live footage to be very good.  Although, I would've liked more wide shots to get the full scope of The Wall, the screen, props, etc. 

However, the film itself it not a straight concert film.  The complete Wall concert includes clips of Roger Waters on a road trip to visit the graves of his grandfather who died in WWI, and his father, who died in WWII.  While some of these scenes are genuinely moving, others appear to be Roger stroking his ego.  I wish there was an option to watch JUST the concert.  Personally, I sometimes find Roger's politics to be a little tiresome at times, and the inclusion of a new political song as a reprise of Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 was most unwelcome IMO. 

Extras include some clips from The Wall show at the O2 with David Gilmour playing Comfortably Numb.  Unfortunately, that version might have the worst CN guitar solo I've ever heard.  The Dave Kilminster version from the main feature is surprisingly much better.  Maybe Gilmour was nervous being on top of that wall for the first time in 30 years.  Gilmour and Nick Mason were brought out for Outside the Wall, so it's neat to see the three surviving Floyd members onstage together. 

I will say that Roger has a great band, and musically, this version is far superior to the Berlin 1990 DVD.  I'm still holding out hope that, one day, we get an official release of a Pink Floyd Wall Show. 



Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: JK on March 06, 2017, 08:10:57 AM
Happy 71st birthday, David Gilmour!

With thanks to KDS for the heads up...

https://youtu.be/cWGE9Gi0bB0


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on July 18, 2017, 06:26:06 AM
Found the old Pink Floyd thread I started. 

Has anyone else heard the new Roger Waters album - Is This the Life We Really Want?

After a 25 year wait after his stellar Amused to Death album, I thought this album was a complete disappointment.  It's getting good reviews, but I'm not really sure why. 

I may not agree with Roger's political views, but quite frankly, I don't care about them as long as the songs are good.  There's little to no melody on this album at all.  There's also little to no guitar work.  Roger's lyrics have always been best when accented by great guitar work, be it by David Gilmour, Eric Clapton, or Jeff Beck.   Roger has a great touring band, but they seem largely absent on this LP. 

Maybe if Roger had taken a little more time, and not been so quick to try to get a record out after the election / inauguration, he'd actually have crafted some good melodies here.  But, the album just feels dull and lifeless to me.  The only real standout track, Smell the Roses, is just simply a Have a Cigar retread.   


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: pixletwin on July 18, 2017, 05:53:27 PM
I never thought of Waters as a great melody crafter... But I have yet t hear the new album. I'll give it a listen and post my thoughts...


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on July 18, 2017, 06:49:31 PM
I never thought of Waters as a great melody crafter... But I have yet t hear the new album. I'll give it a listen and post my thoughts...

David and Richard were the best with melody in the band, but Roger wrote a bulk of Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut with little help. 

His solo albums do somewhat lack great melodies, but they're not as plodding as the new one.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on July 18, 2017, 08:46:50 PM
Roger Waters is great! I like his voice the best in Pink Floyd, David Gilmour doesn't sing as good. Thanks to tell about new Waters album - shall check it in local free music download site. :3d


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on July 19, 2017, 03:54:23 AM
Roger Waters is great! I like his voice the best in Pink Floyd, David Gilmour doesn't sing as good. Thanks to tell about new Waters album - shall check it in local free music download site. :3d

To each their own, but I think David is my far the better singer, and his voice has aged much better than Roger's.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on August 09, 2017, 10:25:15 AM
Speaking of David Gilmour, his upcoming Pompeii concert release looks good. 

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/watch-david-gilmour-in-historic-live-at-pompeii-trailer-w491802


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: Mike Garneau on August 09, 2017, 11:24:42 AM
I'm a Floyd fan. The Syd era is my favorite and I absolutely love what they did all throughout the 70s, especially the earlier part of that decade. Obscured By Clouds, Atom Heart Mother and Meddle are some of my favorites. Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is definitely amongst my favorite albums ever. When I first got into them as a kid in the early eightues I fell into the whole The Wall thing. Watched the movie a zillion times. Eventually I burned out on The Wall and started digging deeper and eventually came across Relics in the bargain bin and finally heard what Syd sounded like. I became a Syd fan and searched everywhere for his solo albums (no amazon or ebay in 1984, and limited on the local record shops in the area I grew up in). A guy at a local flea market had Madcap Laughs for $20. Damn glad I bought it. As far as my favorite Pink Floyd songs go,  Vegetable Man and Jugband Blues are probably tied at number one for me. I'm not too big on any of the member's solo stuff (except Syd of course). But I've enjoyed some of their solo material. David's stuff is particularly good.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on August 09, 2017, 11:28:54 AM
I'm a Floyd fan. The Syd era is my favorite and I absolutely love what they did all throughout the 70s, especially the earlier part of that decade. Obscured By Clouds, Atom Heart Mother and Meddle are some of my favorites. Piper At The Gates Of Dawn is definitely amongst my favorite albums ever. When I first got into them as a kid in the early eightues I fell into the whole The Wall thing. Watched the movie a zillion times. Eventually I burned out on The Wall and started digging deeper and eventually came across Relics in the bargain bin and finally heard what Syd sounded like. I became a Syd fan and searched everywhere for his solo albums (no amazon or ebay in 1984, and limited on the local record shops in the area I grew up in). A guy at a local flea market had Madcap Laughs for $20. Damn glad I bought it. As far as my favorite Pink Floyd songs go,  Vegetable Man and Jugband Blues are probably tied at number one for me. I'm not too big on any of the member's solo stuff (except Syd of course). But I've enjoyed some of their solo material. David's stuff is particularly good.

I like the early Syd stuff, but I much prefer their 70s output, with Gilmour, Waters, Wright, and Mason (even though Wright and Mason were pretty much session guys by Animals and The Wall). 

I like Syd's Floyd material, but I find his solo work to be a mixed bag.  Personally, I think the best tracks from Madcap Laughs and Barrett would make a very good album. 

Wright's solo output is alright.  I really like Water's Pros & Cons and Amused to Death albums (his new album was a supreme disappointment after a 25 year wait), but I think Gilmour is the more consistent solo artist. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on August 12, 2017, 04:08:58 PM
Recently saw Roger do his fantastic show. Visually and sonically amazing!

Uses "Pigs" for an epic takedown of Trump. This video is from the San Jose show, taken nearby my seat.  Yes, that is a huge video screen dropped the length of the arena.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1EADVfeXkrI

Note: Two weeks after seeing Roger, I caught Brit Floyd in concert. Great show and the next best thing to seeing either David or Roger.


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on August 15, 2017, 04:07:56 PM
Recently saw Roger do his fantastic show. Visually and sonically amazing!

Uses "Pigs" for an epic takedown of Trump. This video is from the San Jose show, taken nearby my seat.  Yes, that is a huge video screen dropped the length of the arena.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1EADVfeXkrI

Note: Two weeks after seeing Roger, I caught Brit Floyd in concert. Great show and the next best thing to seeing either David or Roger.

Ive heard Roger's tour has been great.  Ive seen Rog five times.  Hoping for a US Gilmour tour.  Though not..........High Hopes. 


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: MatchPoint on August 25, 2017, 03:57:25 PM
My favorite Pink Floyd era was when Syd Barrett and David Gilmour were kind-of-sort-of in the band at the same time. Five members is better than four as proven by The Beach Boys. Can you imagine the 15 Big Ones cover with four guys...? Doesn't work. Given this, I tune out on Pink Floyd after that period. Hope I didn't miss anything.

(http://i.imgur.com/HxxEhOZ.jpg)


Title: Re: Pink Floyd Appreciation Thread
Post by: KDS on August 25, 2017, 09:25:02 PM
My favorite Pink Floyd era was when Syd Barrett and David Gilmour were kind-of-sort-of in the band at the same time. Five members is better than four as proven by The Beach Boys. Can you imagine the 15 Big Ones cover with four guys...? Doesn't work. Given this, I tune out on Pink Floyd after that period. Hope I didn't miss anything.

(http://i.imgur.com/HxxEhOZ.jpg)

Considering the five man Floyd lasted for roughly half an album, Id say you missed out on quite a bit. 

But, I do like the 15BO art.