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Finally found an excellent condition issue, and at a bargain price!!  


    

Thanks for taking the time to scan (and great scans, btw) and post those, bgas - how many sets of the wallet photos do you have?

And Lennon wrote Yesterday for Macca to sing, hey? Sensational!

Well that's a find Bgas!

 I've lost count. Howzabout you?

Yes that is Ron swallow.  I interviewed him for my book and he is a real gentleman.  He was very good friends with Carl, who he went to school with and he used to help the wilsons get their gear to shows, which eventually became a paying job. Starting in 1964 he went on most of their tours, including the first tour of Europe. He also served as their equipment manager in the studio.  He left the band in early 66 (he didnt go on the Japan tour) and tried to be a musician but ultimately developed a career outside music.  He remained friends with all the wilsons and occasionally visits Brian backstage.

That'd make sense since Bruce was in the unedited photo, but I'm not so sure. I always thought it looked like Mike's brother, Steve.

I think it's one of the loves. Capitol did keep Bruce out of 1965 publicity photos but these photos were taken in September 1965 and Bruce was an official beach boy by that time

The way I understand it, Bruce could not be included in the front cover shot of Beach Boys albums (and 45 picture sleeves) due to his contract with CBS. He could, however, be included in back cover shots and inner gatefold shots. His contract was up by 1968, so from that point onward he could be pictured on the front.

Yes, youre right, it's got to be one of Mike's brothers; but which one? 
I don't think I've ever seen family photos of Mike with his siblings; are there any available? ( vintage 1960s much preferred) 

Thanks for posting this article bgas! Party! is still one of my favorite Beach Boys albums.

Since decades ago, I read. ' blue shirt is Terry Sachen.... :   And brown shirt is Carls brother in law, Billy Hinsche'.

If you actually know it is Ron Swallow, fine.

Be interested to know where you got this, from decades ago, as the brown shirt is SO obviously NOT Billy

Yeah it is Ron and it looks nothing like billy hinsche. I don't think I've seen a photo of terry sachen

By the way billy was not yet Carl's brother in law and was just starting to develop a friendship with him at the time

where is Terry Sachen now?

Diddly squat!

man now you sound like Sam the Sham!
You don't have ANY BBs wallet photos?

He has one of your Social Security number! >:D

Pretty sure he's no longer with us.

Which is 000-00-0069, btw

(Alan posts that from his new yacht in Sydney harbor) :lol

Bgas, thanks for posting this.

Ian, was there actually a specific date when Bruce officially became a Beach Boy? You state he was an official Beach at some point prior September 1965, yet he does not appear on the Party Album photos (released Nov 65, although I'm not sure when the photos were taken, and as far as I can recall is not on the recording), does not appear on the Sloop John B / You're So Good to Me picture sleeve (March 66), is not on the cover of Pet Sounds, (although he was at the photo shoot and there are small black and white pictures of him on the back cover, but no group photos showing six Beach Boys) (May 66), and does not appear on the Good Vibrations picture sleeve (Oct. 66).

As a fan back then I knew Bruce was filling in for Brian on the road, but the first time I felt he had truly achieved official status was when i purchased Wild Honey in December 67 and it was obvious from the back cover that there were now six official Beach Boys. But, although I was unaware of it at the time, Bruce does appear prominently on both sides of the originally planned 1967 Capitol picture sleeve of Heroes and Villains, which ended up not being used in the US but was used for some international releases. The cover of the Friends album (June 68) was further affirmation for me that Bruce was an official Beach Boys, since there are six BBs on the cover, although it's a painting.

So, back in the day my sense was that Bruce started out as a touring replacement but as it became apparent that Brian was not going to return to the road full time and Bruce's studio presence increased he gradually became considered a full fledged member of the band. But Ian, are you saying there a specific date when Bruce became a full fledged member, and it was prior to September 1965? From what I've heard, at some point Bruce became an official voting member and shareholder of BRI, which he later sold back. The the date known when that occurred? Also, when did the first magazine articles appear listing Bruce as a fill-in or official member?

Craig, just curious if it's a known fact that Bruce could not appear on the front cover of BB albums and 45 picture sleeves due to his contract with Columbia records, or if it's possible this story originated as conjecture on someone's part.

His Surfin' Round the World album was released on Columbia in 1963, followed by singles attributed to Bruce & Terry and others thru 1967, but as I mentioned in my previous post, when Bruce started filling in for Brian on the road it's not like there was a sudden announcement made to the world stating, "Hey, we've got a sixth Beach Boy and his name is Bruce Johnston." At least I don't recall such a statement, but if there was I'm all for being corrected.

As a fan back in the day it seemed to me that Bruce gradually became recognized as an official Beach Boy, with Capitol initially wanting to keep the appearance of five official Beach Boys, with Brian at the helm. If Bruce did in fact have an contract with Columbia after 1963, rather than Columbia simply agreeing to release his and Terry's efforts as they were submitted, did it actually stipulate that he could sing on non-Columbia releases and be pictured on the back cover of an album, but not the front, with no requirement for a statement on the album such as "Bruce Johnston appears courtesy of Columbia Records"? In other words, would such a contract say, "Hey, go ahead and help enrich other record companies by singing and/or playing on any recordings you want, just as long as your mug isn't shown on the front of an album cover or 45 picture sleeve from another record company"?

Obviously, this question about conjecture revolves around conjecture on my part, Craig, so I await your expert opinion.

Bruce was indeed announced as Brians replacement. I have ...somewhere...a magazine from The BB fan club at the time, written mostly by Derek Taylor , saying just that. Plus, Brian is interviewed and welcomes Bruce to the fold.

You mean, of course, The Beach Boys Scene
Volume 1, No.2 is dated August 1966;  ( Volume 1, No. 1 dated June 1965 referred to the BB5)  

  all three issues  can be seen in this thread : http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10376.msg189837.html#msg189837  ( May 26-June 2 2011)

Thanks for recalling the BB fan club newsletters, Zestrez and bgas, and especially for the link bgas provided to articles in the the earlier thread.

In the earlier thread Bgas posted The Beach Boys Scene August 1966. Derek Taylor’s lead article is entitled “The Legend of the BB 6,” but when referring to the group Bruce is presented as “Brian’s replacement on stage.” It is further stated that “Brian has faith in his stage-substitute Bruce Johnston.” When describing the band, Brian, Dennis, Carl, Mike, and Al are mentioned, “plus phantom Beach Boy Bruce Johnston for personal appearances, and he has known the other Beach Boys long enough to be in on the tight family unit.” In a photo caption Bruce has “(filling in for Brian Wilson on tours)” following his name. Under the title “The Beach Boys” he is pictured, but with the notation, “Bruce joined the group as a ‘phantom’ Beach Boy a year ago. He replaces Brian Wilson in personal appearances and he is well-liked.”

Metal flake paint posted scans of the Oct 66 issue of Hit Parader, stating that “(Brian) quit the road and into his place stepped an unknown 22 year old, Bruce Johnston, 'phantom' Beach Boy. … more important in the range of his voice, he blended swiftly with the boys. And, to Brian’s delight, the substitution worked and fans, he found, accepted his reasons for absence as valid and important."

In the Meet the Beach Boys section, Bruce is described as "the phantom Beach Boy, he is the one who tours in place of Brian Wilson, Beach Boy leader who no longer goes on the road … Bruce Johnston is an admirable fill-in and is achieving a close identity with the boys on personal appearances.”

Bgas posted The Beach Boys Scene 1968-1969 issue. By this time, Bruce is no longer a "phantom Beach Boy" or a "fill-in for Brian Wilson on stage". In this issue, both in photos and in text, Bruce is clearly presented as a full fledged member of the group.

So basically these articles follow my recollection of the way Bruce’s role was described and evolved in the years after he started touring as a fill-in for Brian in concert. In the 1966 articles he is given far less than full status, but rather is described as a “phantom Beach Boy”, who is “a fill-in replacing Brian Wilson on stage”.  By 68-69 he’s a full fledged member.

Does anyone have a copy of The Beach Boys Scene 1967 edition that bgas makes reference to?  It would be interesting to see how Bruce is described at that point (whenever that was in 1967).

As a side note, when reading these articles, it’s interesting to see, back then, how verbose and articulate Brian was when being interviewed.

GO magazine February 17 and Melody Maker May 6, (both from 1967) continue to refer to Bruce as the 'phantom' Beach Boy.

  I've come to realize, since my original post, all evidence points to the three existing issues as the only ones published by the BBs. There isn't a 1967 issue, I just thought there should be.

This is one reason why a biography of Bruce Johnston needs to be written.