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Evidently this happened Sunday the 12th for the AMVA in Boston. Anyone at the show? What exactly did Tony do at the concert? (I'm assuming he took a bow, rather than sang?)

The hell? Is Mike trying to claim pet sounds as his own now....     What a twisted guy to try to steal acclaim from BW's masterpiece to screw him.

So much for Tony taking issue with Mike getting credit for Wouldn't It Be Nice.

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C'mon, SB, we all know that eventually myKe luHv will be hogging the credit for PS, too. It's his mojo, man, just like his hat. ::) ::)

What the f*** is wrong with Asher showing up at a Mike-Bruce concert?

I mean, really.

Since Mike Love challenged him in court and tacked his name on pet sounds songs.

It's also possible that Asher still disagrees with the WIBN credit situation and just isn't being a five year old about it.

Tony's a grown up guy. He shows up where he wants to.

Perhaps Tony didn't make as big a deal as you did about the Pet Sounds "songs" (?) Mike claimed credit for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0POXW4V1_k

I mean why else would Mike show up on stage with Tony Asher than to claim pet sounds as a Mike love BBs project since he thinks he is Brian's equal. Such a sick egomaniac. ::)

Everyone has to at least appear to get along. Otherwise the "Beach Boys Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour" will never sell to the promotors.

Such a tour would not surprise me at all.

Troll.

Mike Love added 58 new photos to the album: Boston: July 12, 2015.
3 hrs ·
Sunday night, we performed for AMVA (American Veterinary Medical Association), in Boston, to an unbelievably enthusiastic crowd!! I saw a toddler dancing and clapping along to most songs!! I was deeply touched by all the families who came to our show together. We were joined by Tony Asher who co-wrote “God Only Knows” and “Wouldn't it be Nice” among other great songs!! It was great to have Tony as our guest!! Upon our bow, the fireworks from the Queen Mary 2 lit the night sky, an amazing way to finish a perfect night in Boston!!! Thanks Brian Babineau, for capturing this unforgettable evening through you lens. Peace and Love...ML

https://www.facebook.com/OfficialMikeLove

Really? How?

Here's hoping.

Well I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTED at Asher for being such a TRAITOR to Brian, such a TURNCOAT, by taking up Mike's invitation and appearing with him after all Brian's done for...

I'm sorry, I can't keep this sh*t up any longer, laughing too much, exactly as I did when I read the thread the first time. They say laughter is the best medicine, and they're right: not been feeling too chipper of late, but seeing the utter and complete spluttering idiocy posted here has raised my spirits no end. Great start to the day. Still chuckling.  :lol

Met Tony once, at a Stomp convention, oh, eighteen or so years ago and he's a complete gentleman.

Oh my...  ;D

Youre just a walking mass of pure ego aren't you

I also met Tony Asher, after the 2000 Pet Sounds gig at the Hollywood Bowl, many thanks to Mike Grant. Agree with AGD, a nice guy.

Smile Brian cast a lure and a few fish bit ;D

I prefer fishing with dynamite: far less fuss and no doubt as to the outcome.  ;D

I'll let the Captain handle this one.

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I'm with you here.

Much ado about nothing, IMHO.

More like this one, I'd say...

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A mild correction, if I may: assuming Mike isn't telling porkies on Facebook, Tony didn't just show up. He was invited, and accepted.

and, really nice to see David Marks there too...

David Marks, David Marks... I knew it wouldn't be long 'til he claimed Pet Sounds his own.
So greedy.

yes.  and now we await "Ricky Fataar Presents Smile"

And, if I may, Glen Campbell may have only been 'visible' for about 6 months in that fabulous striped shirt...but really...wasn't HE the Beach Boys?

Of course he was.   :p

I do think it would be kind of funny, though, if, like when Mike asked Van Dyke Parks about “Cabinessence” nearly 25 years after the fact *again*, Tony asked Mike backstage about Tony’s “bathroom breaks” Mike’s lawyers supposedly suggested were the times when Mike could have been calling Brian up from overseas and quickly co-writing some lyrics.

Asher may disagree with Mike on WIBN, but I don’t think Mike himself has ever said himself that he added his lyrical contributions to WIBN on the phone while Tony Asher was crapping in another part of Brian’s house.

I was at this show. In fact, I played in the opening band and hung with all of the BBs and Tony post-show.
Fantastic group of guys and Tony is one of the funniest people I've ever met. I believe he was in town for a meeting with the BBs - not sure what for - I didn't ask.

Isn't Mike's contribution "Goodnight baby, sleep tight baby..."  That was probably improvised in the studio.

Well, next year is 2016. Pet Sounds was released in 1966, which is 50 years ago next year. Now, if I could only just recall who wrote most of the lyrics for it, I might be able to join a few dots. Damn this short term memory loss...

yet he slapped his damn name on the song..... ::)

Yes, apparently. I think two points of contention were whether that warrants a credit, and whether Mike’s lawyer’s assertion that this contribution could have taken place while Tony Asher was taking a bathroom break.

To be honest, I can’ t even remember at the moment whether Asher agreed that Mike had written that ending “goodnight baby” phrase.

In any event, hopefully if Asher really was in town for “BB business”, that might mean we have a modicum of a sliver of a hope for the full group to do something together again at some point.

Plus when you factor in the time it must have taken Mike to come up with 'Goodnight my baby, sleep tight my baby', it means Asher must have gone for the fastest dump ever. And guys we all know what a sin it is to hurry a good turd.

I'm very curious about this meeting.  I would certainly hope that such a meeting would include Brian and Al, but the only free day for both bands over the weekend would have been on July 11th.  According to Brian's Tour Schedule, he was in Las Vegas on July 10th, Seattle on July 12th, and no other dates on the schedule until July 24th.  The BB's schedule had them in Connecticut on July 9th, New Hampshire on July 10th, and no dates until July 16th. 

days ago Blondie Chaplin stated that "towards the end of 2015 the group has scheduled songwriting sessions..."

Tony Asher is feted in Boston....

.....dots.....

If he put his own spin on it--unique arrangements, sequence, etc--I'd be all for it.

This is nothing but guesswork on my part, but I think Brian could have kept the "Wouldn't It Be Nice" credit as Wilson/Asher if he had been willing to give in to Mike on other songs.

As I recall, Mike offered to settle for $750,000 but Brian's camp turned him down. I bet if Brian and his people had offered to pay that money but keep "Wouldn't It Be Nice" out of the deal, Mike might have gone for it.

By the way, I don't have an issue with Mike getting credit for his vocal ad-lib. It's good, and Brian must have liked it to leave it in. I also prefer the mono version to the stereo because I prefer Mike singing the bridge rather than Brian.

As for people getting up in arms over Mike having Asher on stage, that's silly. Mike sang his heart out on "Pet Sounds" and "That's Not Me" is one of my favorite Mike vocals ever.

Going on a very fuzzy memory here but didn't Mike originally just want credit on a much smaller core of songs  where he was the main lyric writer? When Brian's camp turned him down and he took the case to court, his lawyer asked him to list EVERY song he'd ever made a contribution to of which WIBN was one of them.

It's such a shame those mean old lawyers forced Mike Love to do that, he's such a sentimental sap!

So I take it this is going to result in a Mike Love presents Pet Sounds tour next year to compete with the Brian Wilson band playing Pet Sounds? He should just insist a few dozen times in interviews that he named the album, call the tour "50 Years of Good Vibrations," and call it a day.

I read the other day that people who use endless sarcasm usually have a very small penis.

Most research indicates that men who make "small penis" insults at other men tend to ha- you get where I'm going with this, I'm sure. Stick to Mike Love/Tony Asher and stop focusing on my genitals. I know it's a struggle.

man! you two will have the shortest swordfight ever!

We're counting on you to be the ref. Picked out a stripey shirt and EVERYTHING!

I'm THERE!

I'll do my best to try, Stumpy.

Now that we've got all the absolutely hilarious yet scathing penis talk out of our system...

Actually, can't really see Mike Love touring "Pet Sounds" at his usual venues in the states. Biloxi casinos don't need "Let's Go Away for Awhile." Maybe a UK run. Seems more likely and would compete with his beloved cousin's tour... somebody bring a ruler.

Given that Brian's only announced gigs for next year are, currently,  in the UK, that's a moot point.

Not really. Two UK tours are exactly what I'm talking about, I don't think ML would pull "Pet Sounds" out at his usual US venues. Too melancholy! It makes a lot more sense as a second half of some London shows, say. With brass section, Asher taking a bow, etc.

Heard anything about something like that, then?

Have to agree, can't see Pet Sounds in toto going down too well at the Annual Hooterville KKK Recruitment Rally (Bring Your Own Sheets) & Hog Calling Championships.

I suppose Mike could call it the 50 Years of Ego Music tour.  (Sarcasm isn't limited to males.)

I hope that if Mike does intend to try and compete with Brian's last European tour it is also Mike's last European tour.  Pet Sounds was very much Brian Wilson's brainchild. It has already been celebrated by Brian but if anyone has the right to celebrate that album again it is he.

Mike is honestly horrible to steal BW's pet sounds celebration. Not looking forward to seeing such beautiful songs murdered by his bar band.

Very nice and classy  (NOT) , got to say I would love to Drum in a bar band like that - I'm sure you would IF you had the strength to pick up a pair of drum sticks

can we get back to the Shrimpy/Stumpy match ?

Just as long as someone gets called Scampi to make up for it.

50 Years of Ego Music would be a helluva compilation! Mike Love could use it for his solo album project. Autotuned Foskett soaring on every track as Mike and a host of guest stars rocket down the special interest charts.

NOT FEATURING BRUNO MARS

Featuring Christian Love as The Spirit of Christmas.

He could rest a gentle yet firm salamander hand on a guitar on the cover and everything. The most heartbreaking Viggie you'll ever imagine! All this and more! Coming to a USB drive near you! NOT FEATURING BRUNO MARS!

Wasn't there an interview recently where Mike said his group would be pushing a '50 Years of Good Vibrations' tour next year?

Couple of points. Mike also said in 12 that the C50 band shouldn't be over exposed and he could be up for getting back together in a "few years" or the like. I have said since the end of the C50 that PS50 may work. Some form of celebration should be in order especially as Brian has hinted he is pulling back. Probably not to the scale of the C50 but a few select shows.

PS50 would only work if all parties were up for it (check) and getting along (rain check).

Insulting the band was crass, but it *would* be very cruel of Mike to try to steal Brian's thunder by suddenly embracing an album he's always resented at just the most profitable time. Not saying Mike would, but then again who knows what he may do..?

I agree it would be cruel for Mike to use the anniversary of the Pet Sounds album for a M&B tour in view of the history and the fact that it would be Brian's last European tour. Not only cruel but tasteless and it would confirm him in the eyes of many people as being jealous of his cousin and acting in a way that could only be described as spiteful.

But of course, Mike may have the good sense and good taste NOT to behave in such a way. Let's hope so.

So they are at least up for it. Mike said as such at your lunch? Start writing a check.

Well, presumably the lunch only would confirm some are up for it. Even if it was claimed that Brian and Al were too, that would presumably be hearsay.

I'm probably repeating myself here but if it is to be Brian's final European tour but not the final BB tour, I think it would be inappropriate for M&B's Beach Boys to make more than a guest appearance.

The BW  band in the USA is playing great and doesn't need to drag M&B along for PS 50.

The "messengers" have been playing minimum of 50 years no fewer than 3 (Sloop, WIBN, and GOK) for 50 years.  The Concert album has You Still Believe in Me. Both bands have been brilliant.  Seen both this month.

Pet Sounds vocals and sessions are BB vocals, no ifs, ands, or buts.

It is the difference as between Smile 04 (live) and spectacular, and the release Smile Sessions.

There is absolutely no comparison with the vocals from the original Pet Sounds sessions to any other vocalists, any more than there would be for the Smile opus.

And what is appropriate for a potential PS50 as a "theoretical" tour is up to the principals of BRI/and/or founding BB's.   They aren't guests.  Ever.

Geez louise! One question about this show with Tony Asher and already we've got people on here claiming Mike is planning a secret "Pet Sounds" tour to compete with Brian and he's dragging Tony Asher along with him. I'm guessing VDP and Carol Kaye will be there too, y'know, to make the ultimate anti-Brian trifecta.

This board is priceless.  :-D

The licensed Beach Boys shouldn't tour a Beach Boys album?  

Would it be crass of Brian to tour the Beach Boys' album as a solo on the Beach Boys' album's anniversary?

You are correct...the conspiracy theories arising from nonsense.

How would Mike's band pull off the two instrumentals?

Also IIRC Brian is the only BB on Caroline No, which was released as a solo single.

Seen them lately other than on YouTube cellphone video?

The deeper cut UK setlist has landed, finally in the US.  Very well received.

And Brian is doing more of the car songs...neither band is "murdering" anything. 

Both rocking out, pleasing BB/BW fans wherever they go...

The same way it has been handled in the past I suppose, with local orchestras, augmented band, new arrangements, or some combination.  I guess Scott or Jeff or Ike could do a solo on C,N.  If the plan isn't for a reunited surviving member PS50 tour that is.

The conclusion-jumping to assume Mike is planning a PS tour is absurd enough. (That he would do such a tour is not impossible, but to so quickly assume so is the absurd part). There's no need to reach further absurdity by questioning whether Brian touring a full BB album is somehow less legitimate than the licensed BB's doing the same.

As for Mike's extended UK setlist, has it really been performed to the same depth in the US? I know a few have made it in on certain nights, but most US setlists I've seen are scaled back comparatively, as expected.

Please check the In Concert album. I don't believe Brian was on those tours.

The touring band on Thursday, July 9, did...

I Can Hear Music
Til I Die
Sail on Sailor

On Friday, did

All I Wanna Do
and

Wild Honey

Both nights did Their Hearts were full of Spring.

At least one UK show was about 3 hours.  

The US shows are 2 hours or less depending on venue, curfew or type of show, requested by the contracting group.  Those songs mentioned above are "news."

It would be nice if the UK was given a few nationwide concerts (Glasgow, Manchester, Birmingham) rather than just 2 London shows as on the C50 - that really was "select" back in 2012!

A perusal of recent setlists shows this to be false. I'd be interested to know why you are saying otherwise.


Brian is performing exactly two car songs, the same number he was performing six years ago.

When you say "walking mass" are you possibly referring to something, dare I say, along the lines of a flesh explosion with the all omnipotent "attitude"??  ??? ???

Damn right OSD!

1. The level of bitterness among some people because Tony showed up with Mike is astonishing.

2. Stating that a BW-licensed touring outfit is stealing BW's ideas doesn't make much sense. But who knows.

3. It is untrue that Mike resented or resents the PS album. And part of the bitterness is because some people believe that it's better that Mike stays away from the realms of such album and leaves it stain-free. For some, it is symbolic in that you can say it's Brian's music without the embarrassement of having to withstand too heavy a presence from those annoying and square Beach Boys. If Mike claims it, like he claims Heroes and Villains, or like he shakes hands with Asher, then the remains of that "I'm a BW fan solely, don't make fun at me" attitude (that music and that people that connect to BW's genius mind in a most pure way) would collapse.

4. Perhaps there is a reunion in the making.

Brian had Shut Down, Little Deuce Coupe, I Get Around (bugged drivin' up and down this same old strip)

Fun, Fun, Fun, (the t-bird) and Don't worry Baby is technically car genre, from Shut Down Vol. 2. (I guess I should have kept my mouth shut when I started to brag about my car...Baby when you race today...)

That is five of about 30/31 songs, in a show that was a NPP highlights tour.  

Agreed.  T'would be the way to sign it ALL off.  No partial contigent can make this work.  It's pretty much gotta be all or nothing.

And... ... ...P L E A S E... ... ...NO Barbara Ann.

[Haven't seen 'em live since Carl passed...but I've caught some on-line 'files'.  The Beach Boys under the direction of Michael Edward Love is way beyond being a "bar band".  If Brian can be decent and respectful to his cousin and fellow original band mate...then perhaps *WE* could be a little better at it.

The end is near.  It'll end as it should.  Positively.

I know this would never ever happen, because of Mikes death grip on the BB licence  but damn if 2016 could be a PS50/Farewell tour, what a great way to hang up the proverbial Hawaiian shirt.   The band could surf into the sunset one last time celebrating their greatest album. 

Actually... if Mike wants to do one more setlist update to get M&B more cred with the hip kids, he should drop Barbara Ann! Yeah, I know it's a crowd pleaser, yada yada... but he did squeeze in All I Wanna Do and Pisces Brothers, in place of what could have been two more famous crowd-pleasing songs... so he's willing to let certain things go apparently in the name of good taste, sometimes.

Let Barbara Ann go, Mike! You can do it! Ditch it!
 
(Brian, ditch it too, I might add!)

Some may hold their noses...but it is (Barbara Ann) almost a non-negotiable...the crowd wants it.  It would be a request...it was #1 in Austria, Germany, Norway, Switzerland. #2 in the U.S., #3 in the UK. 

Barbara Ann is a blight on the BBs.

You might have that conversation with those who bought the records that made it a hit.

It's a crap song.....

Having my baby went #1, Muskrat Love went #4 and MacArthur Park went #2.

You may hold that position but with it's sales, ranking and recognition factor, make it highly unlikely that Barbara Ann is "Leaving This Town" any time soon.   :lol

Very good point.

And Winchester Cathedral beat GV. Go figure.

We don't hear those songs much anymore.

The BB stuff endured, so I guess that might be the difference.

Yes Barbara Ann IS one of their biggest hits but please...it's not like 'fans' haven't been fed B A through every available orifice  for damn close to 50 years.  Surely on ONE last tour we can collectively remember what B A was [and is].  It was part of a filler album recorded to get the record company off of Brian's back so that he could buy some time in order to complete what mattered.  Although 'well' done in an 'uncut' fashion and layered with 'magic ingredients' to make it appear to be something better than what it really was...it's a throwaway song they did 'cause Dean wandered into the room.  At best it's a happy accident.  Let the Regents tour it in 2016 exclusively.  Let the Beach Boys get together and focus on performing what really mattered one last time.

Seems to me when they toured the Good Vibes Box Set in those smaller venues that they let 'it' go THAT year.  Or am I wrong?

"Happy Accident" is a good characterization. I happened to have on "Hawthorne" while driving today and the teen and twenty-something voices cracked me up.  But it is hard not to include it. It's almost comic relief amidst the intensity of a performance where everyone can kick back and have a giggle.  I guess that's how I view it.   ;)

Giggle? Hmm... not quite.  Barbara Friggin Ann is more like that moment in the set where one can step away and have a nice long peepee break.

 :lol

No time for that at the end of the show.  That isn't time to get a  :beer

Mike made his next move, now it's Brian and Al's turn to take it up another notch.   Ron Altbach? Geoffrey Cushing Murray?

At least there were fireworks this time from the Queen Mary, better than the bomb that struck there another time the BB were involved. 

Re: "B-f-A" - fully understand it'll be part of the encore of the Final Beach Boys Show Ever. It's a dictum of rock (unless you're Neil Young), play the hits. I, and many others here, happen not to care for it, to be polite. With Brian, there's an additional layer of non-negotiability in that he likes the song. As several band members have noted in conversation, "the boss likes it, so it's never going to be dropped". Well phooey.  ;D

Aside: the sharp bifurcation of this thread continues to be hugely amusing.

Given I work for a bookmaker, I'd put the varying odds at:

Full band reunion tour for PS50 - 66/1

Some kind of one-off 2016 reuinon (gig/TV/whatever) - 10/1

Two separate celebrations of some sort or other - 1/25

Whatever happens, someone here will bitch about some aspect of it - book closed, dead cert.

Amazing how a man who could compose such brilliant songs could simultaneously have such poor taste

I don't care for the studio version that much, but live it's a corker (especially on this tour...in Austin,  for instance, Brian was playing some good boogie woogie piano during the break).

A little bit more complicated than that though, isn't it? We hear Tony Asher appeared on stage with M&B's BBs and then someone posts that there was a meeting between Tony Asher and the Beach Boys, reason unknown. That produced two reactions, not one. Some thought it might indicate Mike wanted to present a 50 Years of Pet Sounds Tour and try to steal Brian's thunder and some thought it was a sign that there might be - yippee! -  another reunion. If you're going to mock those who suspect Mike of trying to out manoeuvre his cousin of over reaction you must also criticise those who immediately assume it means a reunion of the same thing because there is no definite proof of either situation.

However, let's see, Mike acquired two ex members of Brian's band, presumably having to let Randell Kirsch go so as to replace with Brian Eichenberger, played the RAH and used publicity shots showing the C50 line up with a disclaimer in the small print,  added Surf's Up and Til I Die to the set, though previously had said negative things about each of these. Is it so hard to believe that Mike feels competitive towards his cousin?

Pet Sounds was of course a Beach Boys' album, though nearly all of the music was written by Brian and most of the lyrics by Tony Asher. Even in Love and Mercy, the Mike Love character accuses Brian of using the Beach Boys as guest vocalists. Caroline No, was, of course, a BW song. Whatever Mike says now, at the time he called it Brian's (not the Beach Boys') ego music.

But if it is BRIAN'S last European tour, I don't think it is appropriate to suddenly be another reunion. Brian was part of the Beach Boys as a touring band for several years and has always been the source of most of the music so perhaps a guest appearance - doing a few songs together at the end of the show. I hope it goes no further than that.

I can't see Mike devoting a touring band set to Pet Sounds in its entirety.  When they did the 50 years of Summer Days here in the UK this year, there was a bit of promotional stuff (the programme had the album cover on its front), but not much attention was drawn to the anniversary in the show itself.  They played the same five tracks from it dotted around the two sets like they did here in 2008.  If we didn't see the press release about it, no-one would've known the difference.

Logic doesn't really compute with the Mike apologists though. I mean Cam, somewhere above in this nightmare of a thread, brought up in question form that since the album was released by 'The Beach Boys' the touring band 'The Beach Boys' has more reason to tour the album than the artist who made/conceived it. You can't argue with that kind of inane perspective.

Regardless however, your post explains why some here have raised perfectly normal concerns about this issue. However, if this does happen I can't wait to hear that DX-7 in full glory playing the brass section on God Only Knows and Here Today....hopefully we get a 'precursor to Pet Sounds' section where tracks from Today and Summer Days are played...Hearing Bruce's synth drenched version of Please Let Me Wonder would bring tears to my eyes.

Sorry to interrupt your snark and personalized insult, but where did this illogical, apologist, so-called "Cam" claim this inane perspective?

Reading through the 5 pages, I don't see where anyone answered the question about what Tony actually did at the show.  Does anyone know what he did?  Did he come out and sing or play anything?

Don't know about hip kids. But there's a bunch over here who would crap on him no matter what. When the recent UK setlists were discussed, these people accused him: 1) of ripping off Brian's signature songs (Surf's Up), 2) of jumping late into the rarity bandwagon; 3) of performing those out of reluctance. You name it.

Look at it from another perspective: if a reunion takes place, you can count on Jeff to double and cover Brian's ass on... just about every PS lead he takes but God Only Knows.

I am also hoping someone will eventually share what exactly was Tony's participation.  Thanks in advance.

Please read Mike's page. It was not a public show.  It was a private performance.  Asher has done plenty of reputable work for many bands, for decades, and in the advertising business, apart from his lyrics on some Pet Sounds.  (And the Beach Boys could not be in two places at one time, in 65-66. They were on the road, touring the four corners of the earth.) Asher was not the exclusive lyricist.  It isn't a reasonable inference from a private performance.  

The suggestion of "appropriateness" of a reunion is utterly inappropriate, in my opinion.  They are grown men, fully capable of making business decisions, and self-determining the terms and extent, of a potential PS 50 reunion tour.  They are members of the same music corporation for close to 50 years.

Those songs, including Surf's Up were performed live, for the promotion of the eponymous album and there are setlists to support that. Brian wasn't touring with them.  They were BB setlist inclusions.  Now they shouldn't be allowed to play their own back-catalogue? And should be "guests" for their own potential reunion? Absolutely absurd.  Pet Sounds was a BB LP.  Brian has a Brian Wilson Pet Sounds Live CD.  But, ultimately it is their decision.

Brian Wilson does not need Jeff or anybody to cover him on PS. BW is engaged as ever on his solo tour this year!

Nobody twisted the arms of the two ex-BW band members to leave. They probably needed to work more to make more. Caroline No was released as a Brian Wilson single, but also a Beach Boys album track. Was Carl wrong to perform it back in 1972 or 1973? Personally, I don't care if they break into 7 different bands or come together as one band and perform Pet Sounds. I would mostly likely go to see whatever band shows up in my area. Nothing they do anymore surprises or upsets me. As I've said before, I will not get all work up over something that I have no control over, nor will I be more upset than the parties involved.

Of course the Beach Boys couldn't be in two places at once but it remains true that Pet Sounds was the concept of Brian Wilson and  with lyrics mainly by Tony Asher. This doesn't mean that the Beach Boys are not allowed to play tracks from it or all of it but I think it is clear who has the greater claim to it -THE COMPOSER.

The meeting was the bit that made several suspicious, not just the performance.

The UK fans were told when the  cancellation of the 2015 tour was announced, that Brian would be doing his last European tour in 2016 when he hoped his fans would help him celebrate Pet Sounds. BRIAN'S last European tour. That is , or IMO, SHOULD BE, about Brian Wilson. Suddenly it's the PS 50. This was called, of course, a POSTPONEMENT. We weren't promised a reunion in 2015 - we signed up for BRIAN.

Of course they are grown men and can make the decision themselves. After what happened last time, I hope that Brian has no problems making the decision not to go down this road again.

You can say that about every Beach Boys album through Friends. When Brian used The Beach Boys to record Pet Sounds, I think the "any greater claim" went out the window as far as performing it.

Ang - a cancelled tour is a huge blow.  Been there, within hours of the concert.  I've developed a "doubting Thomas" philosophy. When I see them, I believe it.  These tours can be tricky.  Someone will correct me of course, but I'm thinking we, in the US, didn't get a real Gershwin tour, and it went overseas.  Sometimes one locale is luckier than another.  

Why would two industry professionals seeing each other be news?  And why are people jumping to conclusions? Mike invites all kinds of people to guest and perform (Lulu) or just walk on for Barbara Ann.  It doesn't look like such a big deal to me.  

I'm looking at the Pet Sounds track list credits and see two instrumentals: Lets Go Away for Awhile and Pet Sounds. (No lyricist)

Then, Sloop is a folk song.  Arr. Brian at Al's behest.

That leaves ten.

WIBN Mike is listed.
I Know there's and Answer - Mike is listed.
I'm Waiting for the Day - Brian/ Mike - heard this during the Beck tour.  Delightful.

Wilson/Asher:
You Still Believe in Me
That's Not Me
Don't Talk
God Only Knows
Here Today
I Just Wasn't Made for these Times
Caroline, No

So seven of thirteen appear to be Wilson/ Asher

That is about half of Pet Sounds.  So there appears to have been considerable BB involvement and listening to the Pet Sounds sessions, shows some of the changes and stages the project took, while in progress.

We, as fans can just wait it out and see what happens...and I always remember that Brian wrote for the "voices" of the BB's, his co-founders and, ultimate business partners, including his brothers Dennis and Carl.

Pet Sounds was and is Brian's baby.

Mike's band doing a PS tour would be infanticide.

It was the baby that Brian put in his fellow band members' carriage to show off to the world.  

I would be very surprised if The Beach Boys band were to perform the Pet Sounds album in its entirety in 2016. Anniversary or no anniversary, performing entire albums has never been their "thing", with or without Carl, Dennis and Al, with or without Brian. It hasn't been necessary; the catalog is so deep, and, frankly, the large majority of fans who attend Beach Boys' concerts probably prefer other songs anyway.

I can see Mike making a nice introduction and verbal tribute, then going into "God Only Knows" with the Carl Wilson video tribute, and following with the "Sloop John B" into "Wouldn't It Be Nice" mix. If they want, Jeff or Scott or Ike could do a nice version of "Caroline, No" or "You Still Believe In Me". I was surprised (actually I wasn't) that somebody above asked who, other than Brian, could/would sing "Caroline, No". Do they mean the way Jeff, Ike, Matt et al sang/sing "Don't Worry Baby" - and an overwhelming number of original Brian parts - at Brian's concerts?

It's just a guess but I think 2016 will be marketed as The Beach Boys: 50 Years Of Good Vibrations. And, I would expect the shows to continue to be sold out, and the fans will leave happy. And, yeah, you'll have three or four out of several thousands of fans who will complain that the keyboard didn't sound like a French horn. And those three or four will post about it on this board...

Oh, Brother!

WIBN - of which Tony Asher claimed Mike couldn't possibly have done much because Tony wrote the lyrics at his own home and Mike didn't 'and I pray still doesn't' have the number. Mike allegedly came up with 'Goodnight baby, sleep tight baby'.  The composition of at least three quarters of Pet Sounds had  NOTHING to do with Mike.

Brian wrote for the Beach Boys true but that was long ago and he has since written for others, others, who are younger and more able to make a good job of those songs today.

Yep, just hanging here and waiting for Brian to write and produce for those young rap artists. Brian's written for the Beach Boys no less than 3 years ago. Hell, even NPP could have been a Beach Boys album. I just don't get where you are trying to go?

Well, whatever the percentage of the WIBN has been apportioned, Love still gets an authorship credit.  I wasn't there. And our math doesn't agree. I'm looking at about 57% or 7/13ths.

Younger does not equal a lifetime of proficiency and whose brains are hard-wired for 4-part harmony. And the fanbase may now include some more younger fans, but the knowledgeable core is comprised of baby boomers who are"contemporaries." 

And, I'd love to see The Beach Boys do Sail Away (which I love!) and The Right Time.  And maybe NPP songs were conceived with the BB's in Mind...weak pun intended.

Que sera, sera... ;)

Shame on Mike if he dares to pay tribute to PS.


Seriously folks, this nonsense reminds me of when the album version Live Let Live showed up. People here were wondering why did Brian replace VDP's lyrics for Scotty's. One day a fan asked Van about this and he said he had no idea; this made Brian's rejection of Van's lyrics all the more perplexing. In the end, fans were proven clueless: both set of lyrics were Parks'. The same thing may be happening here: we have no idea what is happening or what will happen, but still it's important to draw theories about how Mike is trying to claim Brian's ouvre his own.

Having trouble deciding which is the most unseemly yet amusing: the trolls digging themselves an ever deeper hole (I hear Rick Wakeman is basing his next album on them...) or people presented with the most anorexic of evidence and jumping to ever more, and more increasingly inane, conclusions that you can shake a PS50 shaped stick at.

Fact - it's been stated that Brian's final European tour next year will celebrate Pet Sounds...

Fact - Tony Asher was invited by Mike to attend a private show, and accepted...

Fact - there was some kind of meeting afterwards...

Fact - them's all the facts, everything else is conjecture. Or to some, conspiracy.

What did Mike ask Tony to do - write some new fun/sun/cars/girls lyrics for, say, "You Still Believe In Me" ?  You heard it here first, folks !  ;D

It is to laugh...

Me personally, I'd love to hear The Beach Boys (C50 edition) present and PS50 event: that would be very, very special and a perfect way to close the book, especially if the final song was "Good Vibrations"... but failing that, the notion of having two separate presentations is beginning to grow on me. Contrast and compare. Everybody wins. Except my bank balance.

Objectively, I'd say doing a "Pet Sounds" tour would not necessarily yield Mike particularly great PR. The story would become whether he should be doing it, whether it's a weird passive-aggressive swipe, or a retroactive attempt to snag some extra glory, or whatever. I'm not saying I believe all of those things, but those are some of the press/PR angles.

While it is absurd to assume it will happen, I don't think it's the most far-fetched idea. Especially if Mike tours the UK next year. He was doing upwards of (or over) 50 songs in the UK. So doing 13 PS tracks wouldn't be the strangest thing, considering he did stuff like "Surf's Up." I could see him doing it. He likes acceptance and affirmation and justification and attention from the audience. If he felt he could get that doing the full PS album in the UK, I could totally see him doing it.

He's doing "Surf's Up" in concert folks. He's done stuff like "'Til I Die" before. For better or worse, I don't think he sees anything as "Brian's baby."

If I were advising him, and he actually did want to do a PS tour, I'd tell him to pass. It would be a net PR/critical loss for him. And his band wouldn't come off that great. ESPECIALLY if Brian actually separately toured the PS album with his band (and especially with Al in tow).

Your last line...is what makes the crux of the thread preposterous.  

No one but Brian composed the music...but, the then-touring band, advanced it, via performances.  So, now some people think, after 50 years, they (the band) now should be "guests"...IIRC, it was Johnston who shopped it in the UK and sang on the original LP, with the rest of them, and now he's among the "guests" in this completely speculative tour.  

We have no basis in fact to know if there is one in the offing.  It could be wishful thinking and some over-active imaginations.

Andrew, please stop making sense.

Only a PR loss here. I don't think outside folk think like we do in here. I think the Sheriff has it more like it will actually go down.

Not to derail the thread, but this is essentially what Al has been asked to do at least twice in the past (early 2011 and then the attempted Jones Beach show last year); be a one-time “guest” in his own band. If Mike feels *that* is okay, then it wouldn’t be out of line to ask Mike to be a “guest” at a Beach Boys or Brian Wilson presentation either.

I don’t think that makes any sense personally (and I can’t envision Mike going for such a thing anyway). It would be absurd to have a “Beach Boys” show and then invite Mike on for only select songs, or only invite him to a show here or there. Mike just doesn’t apparently feel this is the case when it comes to Al Jardine (and David Marks for that matter).

yes, Sheriff does have the most balanced and likely scenario.

yet a not inconceivable close second could be a Celebration (like50) but now it would be

BB55 with PS50 opening the concert(s)

Sounds like Mike wants to flood the market once again so BW's pet sounds tour doesn't do as well. Mike has an unfair advantage since he can bill his solo group as the BBs.

Bad habit of mine. Sorry.

<<I am also hoping someone will eventually share what exactly was Tony's participation.  Thanks in advance.>>

Ditto.

I think it’s just as likely Mike and Tony talked about, say, Tony giving an interview for Mike’s autobiography or something.

I can’t think particularly of what role Tony would play in a PS tour (in any iteration as far as band lineup), other than writing a bit for a tour program or something, or just being there on opening night or something.

Hey he can probably sing better than Mike Love's nasal whine. ;)

Can't see two competing versons of 'Sounds. That might make sense in a 'chinese buffet kind of way', but it utterly confuses the market.

Either Brian solo, or surprise surprise, they get it together. This one time only (says Jardine).

Personally, I'm a little Pet Sounded out, but Brian would do it justice. Mike would not. Don't need to hear about it being performed in a bar band arrangement.

I realize I'm just feeding the trolls right now, but 87.5 percent of this so-called "bar band" has been good enough for Brian Wilson, either solo or part of the C50 lineup.

Mike Love hatred is sad in general, but it becomes pathetic, misguided and contradictory when the Beach Boys touring band members are caught in the crossfire.

a) the musical arrangements of one against the other
b) the instruments involved (real vs. prefab synth patch)
c) ergo - the sheer numbers of personnel


You could call it hatred, and I could cop to that at times, but ultimately there is a world of difference between what I saw two weeks ago in Detroit and the half-baked tripe I regularly see (via youtube) of the mother ship. Let's get real here...there's a difference. But hey...two big Bud Lights later, and you may not know the difference.

Exactly doo dah.  It's a bar band bordering on cover band with only one original member.

the players might be the same but the methods are different. do you want to hear an actual ondes martenot on good vibrations or a shitty yamaha synth preset? do you want to hear an actual clarinet on god only knows or some crap midi setting?

whoops xpost.. what doo dah said.

I'd tell you to go see the the licensed touring group live, because it likely would change your mind from what you've seen from an iPhone camera, but it's clear you don't have the open mind.

I've yet to see a review on this board from someone who came away from an M+B show disappointed.

After Carl died, I admit I had no interest in seeing the licensed group live. Then they played a free concert in my area years ago, I went, and they did the music justice. I was so impressed with Scott Totten and John Cowsill during the C50 tour that I saw the licensed group in 2013 and 2014. They're a great band, and it's disrespectful to call them a bar band unless you've seen them live.

So, the Beach Boys have been a bar band during most of their touring existence? Who exactly was playing the clarinet from 1966 to 1998?

I've been to BW shows that left me slack-jawed with wonder, weeping with sheer joy & love, or both. I've seen youtube footage of BW shows that have left me wondering why he bothers if that's the best he can do. Been to M&B gigs that were in every way deeply satisfying, and seen audience footage that's made me wince. Point being, you're there, you're immersed in the event... on youtube, you're detatched, more critical, less immersed. When anyone says "oh, I've seen [insert your artist of choice here] lots of times on youtube and they're rubbish", their opinion is, if not invalid then at least severely compromised. Remember the Grammys in 2012 ? The TV feed sounded like sh*t, barely like the band, yet in the hall I'm reliably informed the live sound was roughly 1000% better (as C50 proved).

But, of course, you can't debate sensibly with a closed mind. Which is why I appreciate the likes of Hey Jude and sweetdudejim - they're critical, but can articulate why, and are prepared to listen to an opposing POV, and debate sensibly, as opposed to the small cadre of sputtering trolls with the limited viewpoint and even more limited vocabulary. Keep digging that hole, you'll start hearing Mandarin soon.  :)

Some "fans" don't know how much they don't know. Scary.

didn't you see M&B live recently as well like I did in 2011????  They were crap live compared to the BW band/C50 band.

have seen BB 3X in 2015 so far; i will be attending again in Aug & Oct 2015 for a total of 5X.
the band is FAR BETTER than in 2014.

saw Brian, Al, & Blondie et al 2 wks ago; it was fantastic.

yah i duno what your point is. the bb's always had horn sections in the 60s/70s and even Mike Love himself played the ondes during the Blondie/Ricky era!!!

My point is having a musician to play every instrument to perfectly replicate a Beach Boys recording is a Brian Wilson thing and has never been a Beach Boys thing.

Charles Lloyd, Ron Brown...think they did woodwinds.

Calling the touring band a bar band is a joke.

From time to time they have had many other supporting musicians.  

2011 is four years ago. 

You cannot disallow the instrumentals - Brian still composed them. Sloop John B was not a BW composition but he arranged it. Mike wrote 6 words of WIBN, about 21 of  IKTAA and all of the WFTD lyric. One song and 27 words  - Mike was involved in the composition of just over one song lyric - one and a bit songs out of 13.

NPP conceived with BBs in mind? Well, who knows? Maybe the title No Pier Pressure was conceived with the Beach Boys in mind.

Ummm...IWFTD was written in 1964, and the lyrics were mostly Brian's.

might be seeing M&B next month with friends!

Instrumentals do not require lyrics. That is why I eliminated them.

Of course Brian composed them. That is not at issue.

And IMHO, after having seen Brian two weeks ago, was that those songs I mentioned (Sail Away and The Right Time) sounded like "BB groove" songs.  

Hope you have a very good time.  ;)

This just in! Unimpeachable sources on The BBB Board have confirmed that the anti-Mike terrorist "Smile Brian " is really one Christian Love.  

More details to come. Stay tuned.

Mike might want to hire the secret service.

So, Doo Dah, you must be disappointed, confused, frustrated - devastated? - that, through his vote, Brian Wilson himself approved of this arrangement. And, to the best of my knowledge, and please correct me if you have other knowledge, Brian Wilson never called for a vote to change it.

I don't see what Brian (and Melinda's) vote on use of the name has to do with enjoyment of said execution lol.

It's amazing how opinions can change in four years.

i don't see why we have to repeat 89 quotes in our replies.

it canna be that hard to follow a train of thought...

- just sayin'

will OSD ever forgive me.... :-\.     But seriously it was my first BBs related show ever, little did I know in a year that the C50 band with real BBs would blow them out of the water. M&B show in retrospect was not a good representation of the music, it was showcase for Mike Love's egotrip without dealing with BW.

Only over here. The rest of the world wouldn't argue that. Just like there wasn't that kind of questioning in 2012.

I can vouch for that. Also, I'm Wendy Wilson. Just an fyi

I've heard it was copyrighted in 1964 but not that the lyric's were mostly Brian's. Where did that information come from? Thanks.

What exactly did Tony Asher do in Boston?

To me, the touring mothership is akin to a Jimmy Buffett show. Which is fine if that's what you're in the mood for. Nibblin' on sponge cake. Watchin' the waves break...

Lessee...seen 'em in the dark days with Kowalski, seen 'em with John on the drums and Scott obviously. The tightness of the organization improved noticeably, but no one can (or should) compare their approach with the Brian Wilson Big Band Revue. Tomatoes, to-Mah-toes. It's what you dig, dig?

I dig the artistic approach. Which is why I drove 6 hours up, 6 hours back in the same day just to see this very special performance in Detroit. I would have to have free tix in a local zipcode to get into the M&B approach (but I might, if I was in a Buffett mood). Which is FINE. Let's just not confuse the issue by considering the ridiculous...Michael Love Presents Pet Sounds. Somewhere...beyond the pale.

Sherriff John, I addressed your question - it's all a part of the same mosiac. Just not the same. Al and Brian can happily go on cashing checks as per the agreement (as well they should).

Actually, it's not. This thread started off with a question about what Tony Asher did at the show. 7 pages later and still no answers!

When VDP recorded with Mike on "Summer In Paradise" album, was there endless speculation that he was going to be collaborating with Mike on a new album? That Mike and VDP were going to finish SMiLE themselves?

Sometimes inviting a guy onstage to take a bow (if that is indeed what happened) is just that.

And judging from Mike's most recent post on FB, U2 invited Mike to their show and gave him a shout out from the stage. My guess would be the same thing probably happened with Tony (of course, we STILL have no reports from anyone who was actually at the M&B show). 

Well...I'm lookin' forward to catching them live on Aug 8.  There's so little time left...and we're gonna spend it pissing on them.  Now THAT makes so much sense.  Hopefully it will be an A+ night.  I do realize that there are off nights.  Have some of those myself.

sh*t!!!

Oh...and I think It's truly cool of Mike to have Tony out for some appreciation.  He sure as  sh*t deserves it.

Man!!!  You guys are relentlessly wrong.

I've got some old friends in Cleveland that are going to see 'em at Cain Park in Cleveland Hts., early August.

My buddy was telling me how he was somewhat wary, but I told him 'go....have a good time.' Beautiful venue in a park setting (saw Brian do Pet Sounds there many years back). Also saw Junior Brown rawk the house there back in the 90's.

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Ummm...IWFTD was written in 1964, and the lyrics were mostly Brian's.
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That just strengthens Brian's claim and gives an even larger percentage of the composition of Pet Sounds to him.

I've been trying to isolate the point in the thread where people started assuming Mike was planning Pet Sounds shows, at which point we truly went off the rails. It seems to have started with this post here:

You don't think it started at Reply =11 with "Everyone has to at least appear to get along. Otherwise the "Beach Boys Pet Sounds 50th Anniversary Tour" will never sell to the promotors"?

Oh, maybe. I assumed she was being flippant. But then I suppose AGD was being flippant too. Either way I don't think there's any reason to have a big debate about competing Pet Sounds anniversary tours until we hear more (which we probably won't).

If there's one overarching aspect of this forum, it's the formidable ability to spin pure fantasies of breathtaking complexity and detail based on the merest molecules of information. I find it strangely comforting.  Reminds me of the picture that used to hang in some anthropological museum or other, depicting a happy family of early hominids in a cave, gathered round a fire and enjoying a hearty repast of roast Grandpa. All based on/extrapolated from a single tooth excavated from same cave. Which later turned out to be from a pig. :)

Gotta admit that for a while this thread provided an entertaining dick-length argument. Heck, it even included an ACTUAL dick-length argument! (Bra-vo ontor and Mike's beard!!!).

It ain't the size of the ship, it's the motion of the ocean.

Er... allegedly.

shrimpy alert

- ladies pls wait outside

I hope Tony got to enjoy one of the following in Boston because I know I miss these simple culinary pleasures:

- A bowl of chowder at Legal
- A lobster roll and chowder at Belle Isle Seafood
- A roast beef sandwich at Kelly's Roast Beef
- A pint of Guinness at Flann O'Briens

New publicity shot taken beside a railway line.

http://www.journalnow.com/relishnow/music/the-beach-boys-are-still-cruisin/article_137670a0-2b5d-11e5-bd98-9771025a8817.html?mode=image&photo=0

Obviously evidence that a M&B PS50 is imminent.  ;)

 :lol

Or maybe it's evidence that they're ready and waiting to do a reunion with Brian. Either idea is equally speculative. Of course, neither could be true. Tony Asher's meeting could have indicated Mike was teaching him TM; the railway line shot could just be an attempt to answer that old question Who Ran the Iron Horse.

their new sunglasses signature look certainly is an improvement upon the thick wooly pendelton shirts.

- Bruce is transmorgifying into Al Capone

And some fell on stony ground...

Or, anything at the No Name!

Is it true that Bruce and Van were seen in a titty bar together last night? What could they be planning? Whatever it is, it's probably not fair…


;)

Or Yankee Lobster.  The No Name restaurant , Barking Crab, and Yankee Lobster are about the only vestiges of the old waterfront...since this area has been under development. 

Jeff is now wearing an ascot?

It's amazing how things change in retrospect.

By reading through some of your old posts, it seems you used to be a nuanced poster who contributed to discussions with actual insight. Now every single one of your posts is a criticism of Mike Love. What happened?

I got illumination....

He got his mind right.   :hat