Title: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: puni puni on June 08, 2015, 12:36:04 PM So to reiterate what's known:
The vocals for Carl's verses and the group's "gotta keep those..." are heard in the film in isolation. No artifacts. Totally clean. Did not sound like an extraction mix at all. What happened? Were the masters found? Are the chorus vocals still lost? Probably... Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: HeyJude on June 08, 2015, 12:39:50 PM Going back to all of the discussions in the past concerning the lost GV vocal multi-tracks, was it ever indicated that different partial segments might exist on separate tapes, thus allowing for the possibility that some but not all might be discovered?
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: rab2591 on June 08, 2015, 12:58:18 PM I'm psyched to hear more about that Good Vibrations multi-track.
As for the soundtrack. Here's what I'm hoping for the official release: - extended cuts of the Atticus Ross score. - track 1 being the first piece of the score we hear in the movie - it's a tiny fragment of a trip that I haven't gotten out of my head since seeing the movie. - Brian's Surf's Up piano demo - If they can fit, a few of the hits sprinkled in for the casual fans, and perhaps a special mix of Good Vibrations. - if it exists, a full version of that Til I Die mix...including Mike's a cappella line. - the last track needs a hidden bonus track: the GV cello's being "attacked"/played in the studio with Dano giving direction. No matter what we get, I am ecstatic we are actually getting a soundtrack. I'm eagerly awaiting the announcement and official track listing. Btw, JCM posted all the songs and score songs used for the film in one post. Definitely belongs in this thread. Thanks JCM for posting that! I've been fortunate to see the EPK for the film. It lists, of course, the normal production notes but probably the coolest thing (it's all interesting) is all of the music used in the film. Based on the screenplay and some of the descriptions by board members that have attended screenings, I'm guessing these are more or less in order (artist/performer only listed when it isn't the Beach Boys or Brian Wilson) Surfin' U.S.A. Don't Worry Baby Surfer Girl I Get Around I Get Around — Love & Mercy Musicians Fun, Fun, Fun Songbird — Kenny G These Dreams — Heart Nowhere to Run — Martha Reeves & the Vandellas The In Crowd — Ramsey Lewis Trio On the Wings of Love — Jeffrey Osborne Nights in White Satin — The Moody Blues God Only Knows — Paul Dano I'm Waiting For the Day — Love & Mercy Musicians Pet Sounds Pet Sounds — Love & Mercy Musicians Wouldn't It Be Nice Wouldn't It Be Nice — Love & Mercy Musicians You Still Believe In Me — Paul Dano You Still Believe In Me Love & Mercy — Darian Sahanaja Hang On to Your Ego Here Today Caroline, No Caroline, No — Love & Mercy Musicians I Live For the Sun — The Sunrays Heart Full of Soul — The Yardbirds Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) Sloop John B You Don't Have to Say You Love Me — Dusty Springfield Good Vibrations — Paul Dano Good Vibrations Surf's Up Surf's Up — Paul Dano The Elements: Fire Heroes & Villains Do You Like Worms In My Room Day by Day — The Four Freshmen Til I Die One Kind of Love Love & Mercy Good Vibrations *** "Black Hole" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: Don't Worry Baby California Girls Good To My Baby Help Me, Rhonda Wendy Dance, Dance, Dance Denny's Drums Fun, Fun, Fun "End Date" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) "Believe" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: You Still Believe In Me Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) Pet Sounds "Silhouette" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: God Only Knows Let's Go Away For Awhile Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) Sloop John B "Headphones" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: I Live For the Sun — The Sunrays I Know THere's An Answer Sloop John B Pet Sounds Dance, Dance, Dance Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) Help Me, Rhonda Here Today "Knives and Forks" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: God Only Knows "Deep End" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: Heroes and Villains Barnyard I Love to Say Da Da Wind Chimes Don't Worry Baby Our Prayer "B&M Studio" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) "Baby No Morph" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: I Love to Say Da Da Here Today Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) "Bed Montage" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: Don't Worry Baby California Girls "Into Mercy" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: God Only Knows *** Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Ebb and Flow on June 08, 2015, 01:02:25 PM Going back to all of the discussions in the past concerning the lost GV vocal multi-tracks, was it ever indicated that different partial segments might exist on separate tapes, thus allowing for the possibility that some but not all might be discovered? That's a possibility but I don't think it's how Brian operated in '66 when he was recording modularly (Pre-Smile). He recorded a backing track in sections, edited those sections together for a final mono master and then recorded all vocals over that. The "hum de dum" section of GV appears to be an exception to that, but it was also scrapped for the final track. Here's a mix of GV floating around that is essentially a work in progress of the vocals, still missing many overdubs. I hope this is OK to post for educational purposes. https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/gv-alt I have yet to see the film, but how clean do the vocals sound? They could very well be extractions, but they also keep finding missing tapes all the time. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: HeyJude on June 08, 2015, 01:10:32 PM Going back to all of the discussions in the past concerning the lost GV vocal multi-tracks, was it ever indicated that different partial segments might exist on separate tapes, thus allowing for the possibility that some but not all might be discovered? That's a possibility but I don't think it's how Brian normally operated in 66/67 when he was recording modularly. He recorded a backing track in sections, edited those sections together for a final mono master and then recorded all vocals over that. The "hum de dum" section of GV appears to be an exception to that, but it was also scrapped for the final track. Here's a mix of GV floating around that is essentially a work in progress of the vocals, still missing many overdubs. I hope this is OK to post for educational purposes. https://soundcloud.com/smileyhoneyfriends-1/gv-alt I have yet to see the film, but how clean do the vocals sound? They could very well be extractions, but they also keep finding missing tapes all the time. I’m going off my recollection having seen and heard the film yesterday, but as others have said, it certainly *sounded* too clean to be an extraction. It sounded pretty dry and upfront as I recall as well. They certainly didn’t *have* to isolate those vocal parts for the film. I would imagine if they didn’t have those vocal elements to work with, they would have just used the finished mono (or partial stereo) mix. I can’t imagine them desperately needing just those little bits isolated, and then commissioning a digital extraction. But you never know of course. As I’ve said elsewhere, if it is a digital extraction, it’s amazing. I’m trying to remember if they used Carl’s line “close my eyes”, which might give an indication of whether they have his lead vocal isolated from the backing vocals, as the backing vocals of course nearly obliterate the “close” part of Carl’s vocal. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: king of anglia on June 08, 2015, 01:13:45 PM Possibly from a live version multitrack?
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: rab2591 on June 08, 2015, 01:20:13 PM I have yet to see the film, but how clean do the vocals sound? They could very well be extractions, but they also keep finding missing tapes all the time. They sound crisp and clean, I'd bet they aren't extractions. Actually, I hope someone here who has his email could send Mark Linett an email regarding this very matter. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: HeyJude on June 08, 2015, 01:52:30 PM Possibly from a live version multitrack? Again, I’m open to my brain just being caught up the film and not remembering accurately, but it certainly sounded like the vocals from the finished, “master take” in terms of phrasing and whatnot. Without getting to hear it again, I’d be more open to the possibility of a really good precise soundalike re-recording as opposed to a live take vocal being isolated. Things are also garbling in my brain a bit, because I do recall one of the scenes also showing “Brian” recording some vocals with the “alternate” lyrics. I remember this because they *didn’t* work that into the plot, meaning they didn’t show Brian cutting those lyrics and *then* going to Mike for new lyrics. I believe they showed Brian approaching Mike about lyrics, and *then* showed scenes including Brian cutting the early, alternate lyrics. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: DC310 on June 08, 2015, 02:23:40 PM Agree they didn't sound like extractions. Was so clean. I hope someone is able to get to the bottom of this.
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Alan Boyd on June 08, 2015, 02:30:36 PM We do have in the archives partial vocals for "Good Vibrations," from a copy of an original 4 track master. This 4 track (which now exists only in a vintage 8 track copy) only had some of the vocal parts, none of them doubled, and was apparently copied to a separate, now missing 8 track onto which Brian would have then added all of the rest of the vocal parts and layers heard in the final mix.
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: sea of tunes on June 08, 2015, 02:32:46 PM :hat
Thanks Alan Boyd! Can you break some news on the release date for the soundtrack for the film? Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: puni puni on June 08, 2015, 02:36:52 PM That list is missing Be My Baby, played by Dano. :)
I felt Animal Collective influence in "Black Hole" and "Deep End", probably the best tracks. Was a little bit disappointed in how much 'dark ambient' comprised the score. Quote "Baby No Morph" composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: I Love to Say Da Da ...nice... Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: sea of tunes on June 08, 2015, 03:16:16 PM Btw, JCM posted all the songs and score songs used for the film in one post. Definitely belongs in this thread. Thanks JCM for posting that! You're welcome. Actually, just a couple of days ago Soundtrack.net was updated with the info (from the Press Kit) and it's much more detailed: http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/ (http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/) Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Misterlou on June 08, 2015, 05:45:59 PM My apologies if this has already been referenced in another thread, but here's a link to an interview with the composer of the Love & Mercy score, Atticus Ross:
http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/2015/06/atticus_ross_talks_brian_wilso.html He says some interesting things, such as Paul McCartney saw Love & Mercy in a private screening, and they had to re-sing an incredible melody to "God Only Knows" for the film that isn't on the final released version of the song "because it was in isolation." Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 09, 2015, 01:03:28 AM Er... the way you've phrased it it reads like they had to revise the "GOK" part because Macca saw a preview. ;D
Or perhaps that's just me... Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: icehouse on June 09, 2015, 01:53:59 AM interestingly, the vocals on the link in the soundcloud version for the "I dont know where" section are precisely those missing off that section in the alternate mixes of GV that have been issued
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on June 09, 2015, 02:02:29 AM Btw, JCM posted all the songs and score songs used for the film in one post. Definitely belongs in this thread. Thanks JCM for posting that! You're welcome. Actually, just a couple of days ago Soundtrack.net was updated with the info (from the Press Kit) and it's much more detailed: http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/ (http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/) Thanks for posting, but gotta ask.... Quote End Date composed by Atticus Ross contains portions of: Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder) Written by Brian Wilson and Tony Asher Performed by The Beach Boys Courtesy of Capitol Records Under license from Universal Music Enterprises Is that a SET end date? *crickets* :lol Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: HeyJude on June 09, 2015, 06:34:54 AM We do have in the archives partial vocals for "Good Vibrations," from a copy of an original 4 track master. This 4 track (which now exists only in a vintage 8 track copy) only had some of the vocal parts, none of them doubled, and was apparently copied to a separate, now missing 8 track onto which Brian would have then added all of the rest of the vocal parts and layers heard in the final mix. Thanks for the info! Can we assume it is these bits that they used in the film? Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: orange22 on June 09, 2015, 03:23:48 PM I wanted to bring up a point that MarcellaHasDirtyFeet brought up in another thread, but which seems applicable here:
Did any of the studio backing tracks during the Wrecking Crew portions sound like re-recordings to anyone else? Or have the originals been "cleaned up" somehow? A lot of the instrumental bits sounded just ever so slightly different than the original BB tracks. There were definitely a few scenes where new recordings were used, but I didn't have the capacity to recognize whether the studio band was playing them "live" or miming to newly recorded tracks. Either way, it's interesting why they chose to do this for certain scenes when the instrumentals and session outtakes were obviously used elsewhere. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Vernon Surfer on June 09, 2015, 04:00:21 PM Btw, JCM posted all the songs and score songs used for the film in one post. Definitely belongs in this thread. Thanks JCM for posting that! You're welcome. Actually, just a couple of days ago Soundtrack.net was updated with the info (from the Press Kit) and it's much more detailed: http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/ (http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/) Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: puni puni on June 09, 2015, 04:22:30 PM There was a mix of miming (to finished tracks) and real instruments (finished and WIP tracks). The only part where they used an original WIP mix for miming was for a little bit of the WIBN intro where Billy Strange(?) is shown noodling around.
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: CenturyDeprived on June 09, 2015, 04:53:27 PM Btw, JCM posted all the songs and score songs used for the film in one post. Definitely belongs in this thread. Thanks JCM for posting that! You're welcome. Actually, just a couple of days ago Soundtrack.net was updated with the info (from the Press Kit) and it's much more detailed: http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/ (http://www.soundtrack.net/movie/love-and-mercy/) I'm so glad they used the original speed version of Caroline, No in the film; just shows the attention to detail. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Misterlou on June 09, 2015, 06:17:32 PM My apologies if this has already been referenced in another thread, but here's a link to an interview with the composer of the Love & Mercy score, Atticus Ross: http://www.oregonlive.com/movies/2015/06/atticus_ross_talks_brian_wilso.html He says some interesting things, such as Paul McCartney saw Love & Mercy in a private screening, and they had to re-sing an incredible melody to "God Only Knows" for the film that isn't on the final released version of the song "because it was in isolation." Er... the way you've phrased it it reads like they had to revise the "GOK" part because Macca saw a preview. ;D Or perhaps that's just me... So far it's just you AGD, but I'll keep you posted. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: monkee knutz on June 09, 2015, 11:37:47 PM I couldn't make it out, but what Brian tune were Cusack & Banks listening to on the radio as they pulled up to the vacant house lot under the highway in Hawthorne?
Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: 18thofMay on June 09, 2015, 11:52:14 PM I couldn't make it out, but what Brian tune were Cusack & Banks listening to on the radio as they pulled up to the vacant house lot under the highway in Hawthorne? One kind of Love off NPPTitle: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: monkee knutz on June 10, 2015, 05:36:28 PM Thanks for that.
So it was on the radio & closed the movie. Also, It sounds like a much younger Brian singing the closing credits version than the Brian singing the No Pier Pressure version. Did anyone else notice this? Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Wirestone on June 10, 2015, 05:40:55 PM Thanks for that. So it was on the radio & closed the movie. Also, It sounds like a much younger Brian singing the closing credits version than the Brian singing the No Pier Pressure version. Did anyone else notice this? Might be a different mix, but it's the same performance to my ears. Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: Rocky Raccoon on June 10, 2015, 05:44:49 PM Bill Pohlad put together a nice Spotify playlist.
https://open.spotify.com/user/indiewire/playlist/3Or0WshuPKmAsJA2YNxY4h Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: lukpac on June 11, 2015, 12:12:27 PM We do have in the archives partial vocals for "Good Vibrations," from a copy of an original 4 track master. This 4 track (which now exists only in a vintage 8 track copy) only had some of the vocal parts, none of them doubled, and was apparently copied to a separate, now missing 8 track onto which Brian would have then added all of the rest of the vocal parts and layers heard in the final mix. Thanks for the information, Alan. Are you saying that tape was actually used for the film? Or just that it exists? Title: Re: Love & Mercy soundtrack discussion and a certain multi-track surprise Post by: junkbondtrader on June 12, 2015, 04:33:31 PM Does anyone know what atticus Ross score is used during the scene where Melinda and Brian jump off the boat and go to Brians house?
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