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Title: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: punkinhead on January 03, 2006, 09:31:26 PM
Working with Jack Riley, Van Dyke Parks (which I think is just Sail On Sailor), some songs with Mike; and there you have it, the people who collabrated with Brian the 70s, well and then there's the amazing stuff he did by himself on LOVe you....

But it would have been awesome if he coulda worked with others, like?
I think 15 Big Ones woulda been great if it was GIOMH style...guest artist and reworking (like he did with oldies)...
I think a Brian/Macca would have been a great seller...it seems Paul wasnt as big in the later 70s (i dont know, i wasnt living) but his music wasnt as good (to me). I feel like when Brian wrote a Friend like you, it was feelings of now and then...then being when he was isolated....


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 03, 2006, 09:37:56 PM
He also worked with David Sandler on the Spring album, and with Carl a bit.

I wish he would have done a lot more solo material in the Fairy Tale, Love You and Adult Child vein. I don't think he necessarily NEEDS collaborators, he's always relied on others far too much than his own considerable talents warranted.

But having said that, my dream Wilson collaboration would probably have been with Zappa and/or a produced/written album for Blondie, a Brian reply to Spector's End Of The Century production for the Ramones.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: punkinhead on January 03, 2006, 09:40:47 PM
ah yeah, good timin' with carl...that american Spring stuff is awesome...

how could i forget fairy tale & adult child...my favorite obscure stuff of Brian.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: HighOnLife on January 04, 2006, 03:39:10 AM
Brian's a better lyricist than some people give him credit for. Some of his lyrics were among the best in the Beach Boys canon.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: JRauch on January 04, 2006, 08:02:23 AM
Without a question! Just listen to "Til I Die", one of the greatest and deepest lyrics in the history of the band.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: the captain on January 04, 2006, 12:53:36 PM
I've always preferred Brian's simpler lyrics to the oft-mentioned "Till I Die." To me, the latter is largely a series of relatively obvious choices. The songs that I prefer are those that are just Brian Wilson writing lyrics. "Busy Doin Nothing" would be a choice of mine as an example of his better lyrics. I like a lot of the lyrics on Love You. Did he do "I'd Love Just Once To See You" alone? If those are his, those are also among my favorites.

It isn't always simile, metaphor and grand ideas that make for the best lyrics. (Of course, it isn't always the opposite, either. There's time for everything. A time to kill; a time to die; a time ... aw, fvck it. I won't go that route.)


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: Aegir on January 04, 2006, 11:57:29 PM
Did he do "I'd Love Just Once To See You" alone?

I'd Love Just Once To See You is a Brian Wilson/Mike Love composition.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 05, 2006, 12:07:55 AM
I very much doubt that Mike wrote those lyrics. The tunes on that album seemed to be credited to those two across the board, even Mama Says, which we know had no Mike involvement.
I'd Love does not sound like Mike lyrics to me, but I may be wrong.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: Chris D. on January 05, 2006, 10:03:51 AM
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I wish he would have done a lot more solo material in the Fairy Tale, Love You and Adult Child vein. I don't think he necessarily NEEDS collaborators, he's always relied on others far too much than his own considerable talents warranted.

But having said that, my dream Wilson collaboration would probably have been with Zappa and/or a produced/written album for Blondie, a Brian reply to Spector's End Of The Century production for the Ramones.

I totally agree my little gumdrop.  I don't even like Blondie very much, but I think that would be cool.  Him writing for them would be perfect.  Him with Zappa would be excellent.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: PMcC on January 05, 2006, 02:37:42 PM
I would love to have heard a Brian-Lindsey Buckingham collab in the 70's, with both performing, and Brian producing, and a Brian-Dave Edmunds collab would have been a wonderful thing to hear.


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 05, 2006, 03:21:35 PM
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I wish he would have done a lot more solo material in the Fairy Tale, Love You and Adult Child vein. I don't think he necessarily NEEDS collaborators, he's always relied on others far too much than his own considerable talents warranted.

But having said that, my dream Wilson collaboration would probably have been with Zappa and/or a produced/written album for Blondie, a Brian reply to Spector's End Of The Century production for the Ramones.

I totally agree my little gumdrop.  I don't even like Blondie very much, but I think that would be cool.  Him writing for them would be perfect.  Him with Zappa would be excellent.


Thanks, lemon pie.
Can you imagine Brian revisiting He's A Doll with the Debster? Delicious, especially with the Keith Moonie stylings of Clem Burke!


Title: Re: Collabrations with Brian in the 70s
Post by: Jeff Mason on January 05, 2006, 06:28:22 PM
I very much doubt that Mike wrote those lyrics. The tunes on that album seemed to be credited to those two across the board, even Mama Says, which we know had no Mike involvement.
I'd Love does not sound like Mike lyrics to me, but I may be wrong.

Totally agree, and I would say the same for Smiley.  IMO those are political credits to make band unity happen, not because Mike actually wrote all of the lyrics. ILJOTSY is pure Brian Wilson and would have fit fine (with farting synths natch) on LY.