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Title: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on April 29, 2015, 01:32:01 PM
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Billy Hinsche posted this on Facebook:

Good news for Carl Wilson fans: I've just been asked by Iconoclassic Records to write the new liner notes for Carl's critically acclaimed first solo effort - to be released for the first time on CD sometime this summer ... !


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 29, 2015, 01:34:36 PM
Interesting stuff. Hopefully they will include some bonus tracks and the like.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Ovi on April 29, 2015, 01:36:28 PM
Was it really critically acclaimed?

Good news though.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on April 29, 2015, 01:38:36 PM
Was it really critically acclaimed?




I couldn't imagine why it should be. But it has some nice tracks and with "Heaven" a real highlight


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on April 29, 2015, 01:49:52 PM
God, nothing gets past you guys. ;)


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: mikeddonn on April 29, 2015, 01:56:37 PM
It has already been released on CD!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: joshferrell on April 29, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
It has already been released on CD!
exactly and the 2nd solo cd is WAY better....they should release both of them as a twofer..


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: 37!ws on April 29, 2015, 02:49:31 PM
First time on CD....except on Sony circa 1990...and another reissue a few years ago...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on April 29, 2015, 03:46:11 PM
First time on CD....except on Sony circa 1990...and another reissue a few years ago...
I thought that it was only released in Japan? I have never seen one in over 30+ years in the U.S..


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Steve Latshaw on April 29, 2015, 03:49:19 PM
This has never been released on CD in the US.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: HeyJude on April 29, 2015, 04:11:16 PM
Correct. Only a Japanese release on CD from eons ago. Select tracks from each of the solo albums were released on a charity CD from around 2000 or so; I suppose that was technically a US release. But that was extremely limited.

I always felt they should either release both albums on one CD as a two-fer, or, if they were going to do separate releases for each, secure some sort of bonus material. The live 1981 gig at "My Father's Place" that was broadcast on the radio makes the '81 album tracks sound much better. They don't sound as dull and flat as the album versions.

But these indie labels licensing Carl's albums from Sony probably barely have the budget to remaster the actual album master tapes, let alone trying to secure rights and take the time and money to do bonus tracks (whether they're dealing with Sony or Brother or anyone else).

Hopefully they will at least be remastering this from the master tapes and not just re-EQ'ing the Japanese CD release. I recall copious enough liner notes for the "Youngblood" CD reissue that indicated they had gone and done a proper and true remastering.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: donald on April 29, 2015, 04:31:10 PM
we need a definitive twofer.   Remastered with added live and studio material.     Then it could be promoted like POB.   Otherwise, I already have these recordings on digital.    They sound pretty good to me.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Alan Smith on April 29, 2015, 04:52:16 PM
Great news!

Now we just need to get Mike's stuff reissued on CD, Postcard From California & Imagination on vinyl, bedroom tapes & Sunflower "Deluxe" in whatever format and we'll be in a good spot!

***And not to mention Love You and Adult/Child "Deluxos" - good catch below, CD****


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: CenturyDeprived on April 29, 2015, 05:01:31 PM
Great news!

Now we just need to get Mike's stuff reissued on CD, Postcard From California & Imagination on vinyl, bedroom tapes & Sunflower "Deluxe" in whatever format and we'll be in a good spot!

Love You box and Adult/Child too, please :)


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: joshferrell on April 29, 2015, 05:02:54 PM
Great news!

Now we just need to get Mike's stuff reissued on CD, Postcard From California & Imagination on vinyl, bedroom tapes & Sunflower "Deluxe" in whatever format and we'll be in a good spot!
First Love and Country Love as a twofer... :lol


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Alan Smith on April 29, 2015, 06:00:31 PM
Great news!

Now we just need to get Mike's stuff reissued on CD, Postcard From California & Imagination on vinyl, bedroom tapes & Sunflower "Deluxe" in whatever format and we'll be in a good spot!
First Love and Country Love as a twofer... :lol
:lol I can imagine the short name that twofer would get around here


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mikie on April 29, 2015, 06:54:33 PM
I think unless this thing has bonus tracks, even the hardcores will shy away from it if they already have the Japanese CD and the original album (signed).

A 2-fer with bonus tracks (like the 2008 Dennis release) would be a great idea!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Beachlad on April 29, 2015, 07:49:13 PM
Dick Clark said some nice things about it as well as the dance show that was on in the 80's


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 29, 2015, 11:11:04 PM
Correct. Only a Japanese release on CD from eons ago. Select tracks from each of the solo albums were released on a charity CD from around 2000 or so; I suppose that was technically a US release. But that was extremely limited.

I always felt they should either release both albums on one CD as a two-fer, or, if they were going to do separate releases for each, secure some sort of bonus material. The live 1981 gig at "My Father's Place" that was broadcast on the radio makes the '81 album tracks sound much better. They don't sound as dull and flat as the album versions.

But these indie labels licensing Carl's albums from Sony probably barely have the budget to remaster the actual album master tapes, let alone trying to secure rights and take the time and money to do bonus tracks (whether they're dealing with Sony or Brother or anyone else).

Hopefully they will at least be remastering this from the master tapes and not just re-EQ'ing the Japanese CD release. I recall copious enough liner notes for the "Youngblood" CD reissue that indicated they had gone and done a proper and true remastering.
There was also a radio broadcast of a show from the Bottom Line - and I agree, the concert versions really brought some fire to those songs.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 29, 2015, 11:13:22 PM
I think unless this thing has bonus tracks, even the hardcores will shy away from it if they already have the Japanese CD and the original album (signed).

A 2-fer with bonus tracks (like the 2008 Dennis release) would be a great idea!
I would think very few of us have the Japanese cd. The only reason I ever saw a copy of that was because we had a store in my town that specialized in import cd's - and they were not cheap!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Eric Aniversario on April 30, 2015, 12:36:06 AM
I think unless this thing has bonus tracks, even the hardcores will shy away from it if they already have the Japanese CD and the original album (signed).

A 2-fer with bonus tracks (like the 2008 Dennis release) would be a great idea!
I would think very few of us have the Japanese cd. The only reason I ever saw a copy of that was because we had a store in my town that specialized in import cd's - and they were not cheap!

I became a fan in 1991, and it took me a few years to complete my BB on CD collection. I managed to secure the Youngblood Japanese CD, Bruce's Going Public & Surfin Round The World Japanese CDs, even Blondie's solo album on Japanese CD. I even got the CD release of POB, still straddled in the longbox, many years after it was out of print. The missing link was Carl's first album. I had a bootleg Twofer with decent sound, but I really wanted the real thing. Now, decades later, it's happening!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Aomdiddlywalla on April 30, 2015, 01:12:34 AM
I think unless this thing has bonus tracks, even the hardcores will shy away from it if they already have the Japanese CD and the original album (signed).

A 2-fer with bonus tracks (like the 2008 Dennis release) would be a great idea!
I would think very few of us have the Japanese cd. The only reason I ever saw a copy of that was because we had a store in my town that specialized in import cd's - and they were not cheap!

I became a fan in 1991, and it took me a few years to complete my BB on CD collection. I managed to secure the Youngblood Japanese CD, Bruce's Going Public & Surfin Round The World Japanese CDs, even Blondie's solo album on Japanese CD. I even got the CD release of POB, still straddled in the longbox, many years after it was out of print. The missing link was Carl's first album. I had a bootleg Twofer with decent sound, but I really wanted the real thing. Now, decades later, it's happening!

Wow !
All you need now is.. A Life !!!
Just kidding bro.

First Love for me please, great stuff on that one.  Really.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Tony S on April 30, 2015, 04:16:22 AM
I found both of the Japanese released CD's at a record show in Clark NJ, years ago, in the early 90's. I think it cost me about $50 for the pair. Always glad I purchased them both, for obvious reasons. Liner notes were in Japanese though, so I'm looking forward to the release. I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: mikeddonn on April 30, 2015, 08:41:30 AM
I got both when they first came out on CD.  Guess the value of my Carl Wilson cd will plummet!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: The Shift on April 30, 2015, 09:26:33 AM
Billy H posted on FB a while back that a quality unreleased Carl track had been found…  maybe this will be the excuse they need to get it out there.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: GoodVibrations33 on April 30, 2015, 09:30:12 AM
Billy H posted on FB a while back that a quality unreleased Carl track had been found…  maybe this will be the excuse they need to get it out there.

Was he talking about the Elvis outtake?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on April 30, 2015, 10:27:19 AM
Hope it's better than that...  That song is worse than anything he did - even worse than anything on Youngblood


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mikie on April 30, 2015, 10:45:28 AM
I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.

Now THAT'S the one to have in the ol' collectione!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=150916


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: LeeDempsey on April 30, 2015, 11:35:30 AM
I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.

Now THAT'S the one to have in the ol' collectione!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=150916

My understanding is that the solo tracks on that CD were mastered from digital rips of the Japanese CD's.  Also there are actually two versions of the liner notes insert -- the initial printing had Carl's last name misspelled "Wison" in a couple of places, and a good number were shipped out before the mistake was caught and the insert was replaced.

Lee


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: The Shift on April 30, 2015, 12:14:31 PM
I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.

Now THAT'S the one to have in the ol' collectione!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=150916

Got outbid on one of these during an auction at one of the Jeff & Billy gigs in the early noughties, in Edinburgh. Think JP from Newcastle won that one!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mikie on April 30, 2015, 12:18:13 PM
"CARL WILSON Long Promised Road" features Beach Boys tracks plus selections from delayed solo reissues." That must mean they were copied from the Japanese discs and pasted to this one, as Lee indicated.

From the 'corrected' liners:

On his two solo albums – Carl Wilson in 1981 and Youngblood in 1983 – Carl returned to his R&B roots. “I didn’t want to compromise and make my solo stuff sound like the Beach Boys,” he commented at the time. “The R&B approach just came naturally. It’s a side of me that’s always wanted to come out. I have this massive collection of R&B records. When we were doing Pet Sounds, I’d go home and put on my Stax and Aretha stuff. It’s always been a big part of my life.” Collaborating with him on songwriting was Myrna Smith, a member of the black gospel trio, The Sweet Inspirations, who sang backup on all of Aretha Franklin’s greatest hits and toured with Elvis Presley throughout the 1970s. Carl and Smith wrote all eight of the songs on Carl Wilson and seven of the 11 songs on Youngblood. The first album highlighted soulful ballads like Hurry Love and Heaven. Producer James William Guercio recalled, “He had the most phenomenal vocal range and texture that I ever had the privilege of putting a microphone in front of.” On his second album, Carl decided to cut loose. “I wanted Youngblood to be a singing album,” he said at the time. “I wanted to express sides of myself that I could never do in the Beach Boys, more hard rock stuff. I wanted to get myself to sing freer, with a greater dynamic range.” Covers of John Hall’s uptempo What You Do To Me and John Fogerty’s rowdy Rockin’ All Over The World afforded him the opportunity to rock as hard as he wanted.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mikie on April 30, 2015, 12:20:07 PM
I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.

Now THAT'S the one to have in the ol' collectione!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=150916

Got outbid on one of these during an auction at one of the Jeff & Billy gigs in the early noughties, in Edinburgh. Think JP from Newcastle won that one!

I couldn't make the Carl Walk For Cancer in Socal, so Brad sent me one after the fact for 50 bucks.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bgas on April 30, 2015, 01:44:17 PM
I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.

Now THAT'S the one to have in the ol' collectione!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=150916

Got outbid on one of these during an auction at one of the Jeff & Billy gigs in the early noughties, in Edinburgh. Think JP from Newcastle won that one!

I couldn't make the Carl Walk For Cancer in Socal, so Brad sent me one after the fact for 50 bucks.

Figures; Brad cheated the charity too. What a tool


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mikie on April 30, 2015, 02:11:47 PM
I asked him via e-mail if he was gonna donate my money to the cause and he didn't respond.  I hope he did!

Then he asked me if I wanted to buy a Party! EP for 300 bucks and I said no.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: jeffh on April 30, 2015, 02:31:40 PM
I have both of the original Japanese releases. Also the charity cd. At one time I was a  "completist ". Sort of thinking of liquidating my collection.  The passion is no longer there


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 30, 2015, 10:48:18 PM
I also have the charity CD that was released in 2000; that was from the Cancer Society and cost $100. Great charity too.

Now THAT'S the one to have in the ol' collectione!

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=150916

Got outbid on one of these during an auction at one of the Jeff & Billy gigs in the early noughties, in Edinburgh. Think JP from Newcastle won that one!

I couldn't make the Carl Walk For Cancer in Socal, so Brad sent me one after the fact for 50 bucks.

Figures; Brad cheated the charity too. What a tool
I got one that way, too, and assumed the money was going to the right place.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Peter Reum on April 30, 2015, 11:52:45 PM
Very much looking forward to this Carl reissue, and Billy is the perfect guy to write about Carl.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on May 01, 2015, 03:23:10 AM
Billy H posted on FB a while back that a quality unreleased Carl track had been found…  maybe this will be the excuse they need to get it out there.

Was he talking about the Elvis outtake?



That would be my guess as well. But do we know of any outtakes for the first album?

I agree that the Bottomline radiobroadcast would be a great addition. The songs on the album are not great but the live sound makes them sound better imo. Indeed the performance really rocks.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Emdeeh on May 01, 2015, 10:46:04 AM
"I Thank You"!!!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 02, 2015, 10:41:07 PM
"I Thank You"!!!
Yes! And a live "Long Promised Road"!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on July 04, 2015, 11:00:03 AM
Billy Hinsche posted the following on Facebook:

While currently researching and writing the liner notes for Carl Wilson's soon-to-be-released (late August, 2015) first solo album on CD, I came across this interview from July 4, 1981 - 34 years ago today …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzfYSrFpiUo&feature=share


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Emdeeh on July 04, 2015, 11:20:16 AM
My understanding is that the solo tracks on that CD were mastered from digital rips of the Japanese CD's.

That is correct -- they borrowed the Japanese CDs from a fan.  

Quote
Also there are actually two versions of the liner notes insert -- the initial printing had Carl's last name misspelled "Wison" in a couple of places, and a good number were shipped out before the mistake was caught and the insert was replaced.

That's also true. I was one of the people who proofread the liner notes for the replacement insert.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: lostbeachboy on July 04, 2015, 06:13:19 PM
So we got this and the book. Saweeeet! Damn he is missed.


~feel flows~


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on July 05, 2015, 01:49:41 PM
So we got this and the book. Saweeeet! Damn he is missed.


~feel flows~
yes he is


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Awesoman on July 08, 2015, 10:56:55 AM
When and where will this be available?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: HeyJude on July 08, 2015, 11:18:27 AM
I think it's the same label that put out the CD of "Youngblood" a few years back, so I would guess it will be available on Amazon, etc. Maybe some indie record stores, and so on.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on July 17, 2015, 12:22:06 PM
This was just posted by Billy Hinsche on Facebook:


Almost done writing the new liner notes for Carl Wilson's soon-to-be-released first solo album, CARL WILSON, on CD as a reissue on Iconoclassic / Sony - scheduled for a late August release with downloads available in 2016 ...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on July 17, 2015, 10:11:47 PM
This was just posted by Billy Hinsche on Facebook:


Almost done writing the new liner notes for Carl Wilson's soon-to-be-released first solo album, CARL WILSON, on CD as a reissue on Iconoclassic / Sony - scheduled for a late August release with downloads available in 2016 ...
This will be nice. Billy's notes for the Youngblood cd were very informative and enjoyable.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: jeffh on July 18, 2015, 05:15:16 PM
I also have both of the original solo Japanese CD's by Carl. One I found in Goldmine Magazine. The other one I bought from a dealer, and paid a lot for. The one in Goldmine was 35.00.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: The Shift on July 19, 2015, 12:54:40 AM
Billy's stated in subsequent replies to that post that there'll be no bonus material :(


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on July 19, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
Anyone know where you can pre-order this album from?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: donald on July 19, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
He is missed.   He is the missing link in the 21st Century Beach Boys.    You have to see him talk or perform to really recall what emotions the Beach Boys evoked as a unit.   One sometimes forgets when caught up in the current separate worlds of Brian and Mike.     


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on July 19, 2015, 11:39:15 PM
They should at least include the single versions of "Hold Me" and "Heaven" as bonus tracks.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on July 27, 2015, 10:12:22 AM
More info from Billy Hinsche:



I'm submitting my liner notes for the reissue of Carl Wilson's first solo album as a CD on Iconoclassic / Sony scheduled for release in late August, 2015 - the booklet is in color and will include my essay, a track-by-track analysis, statements from Carl's sons (my nephews) Jonah & Justyn Wilson, remarks from legendary producer James William Guercio and band members, and will also include a few road stories from 1981 and more ...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on July 27, 2015, 02:07:01 PM
More info from Billy Hinsche:



I'm submitting my liner notes for the reissue of Carl Wilson's first solo album as a CD on Iconoclassic / Sony scheduled for release in late August, 2015 - the booklet is in color and will include my essay, a track-by-track analysis, statements from Carl's sons (my nephews) Jonah & Justyn Wilson, remarks from legendary producer James William Guercio and band members, and will also include a few road stories from 1981 and more ...
Cool!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: The 4th Wilson Bro. on July 28, 2015, 11:18:01 AM
More info from Billy Hinsche:



I'm submitting my liner notes for the reissue of Carl Wilson's first solo album as a CD on Iconoclassic / Sony scheduled for release in late August, 2015 - the booklet is in color and will include my essay, a track-by-track analysis, statements from Carl's sons (my nephews) Jonah & Justyn Wilson, remarks from legendary producer James William Guercio and band members, and will also include a few road stories from 1981 and more ...

It will take me all of about 30 seconds to snap this up.  Anything new about Carl Wilson is viewed with great anticipation (to say the least) around my house.  And I'd like to add: "Thank you, Billy, for helping to keep Carl's legacy alive."


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on July 28, 2015, 01:27:47 PM
It will be nice having this and the biography heading into Autumn.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on July 28, 2015, 11:28:07 PM
More info from Billy Hinsche:



I'm submitting my liner notes for the reissue of Carl Wilson's first solo album as a CD on Iconoclassic / Sony scheduled for release in late August, 2015 - the booklet is in color and will include my essay, a track-by-track analysis, statements from Carl's sons (my nephews) Jonah & Justyn Wilson, remarks from legendary producer James William Guercio and band members, and will also include a few road stories from 1981 and more ...

It will take me all of about 30 seconds to snap this up.  Anything new about Carl Wilson is viewed with great anticipation (to say the least) around my house.  And I'd like to add: "Thank you, Billy, for helping to keep Carl's legacy alive."
Amen!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on August 12, 2015, 12:56:42 AM
Another update from Billy Hinsche's facebook post:


Carl Wilson update: I had a chance to see the newly expanded 14 page color booklet (16 pages including the original front and back cover) that will accompany the CD release of his eponymous first solo album, CARL WILSON, and it looks terrific; the original liner notes and album credits will also be included - my entire essay and track-by-track analysis was over 8,000 words so some of the information such as '81 tour dates, set list, etc. might be placed on the Iconoclassic Records website and / or their Facebook page - the release date has been moved to sometime in September, 2015 ...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on August 17, 2015, 04:42:45 AM
Something else from Billy Hinsche:

Remembering Elvis Presley today and grateful that we have just received permission to use his image in conjunction with an upcoming iTunes release of a recently discovered 1981 Carl Wilson & Myrna Smith collaboration called "This Is Elvis" that was not included in the original soundtrack - with all proceeds to benefit The Carl Wilson Foundation (CWF) ...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: SurferDownUnder on August 17, 2015, 04:44:43 AM
Something else from Billy Hinsche:

Remembering Elvis Presley today and grateful that we have just received permission to use his image in conjunction with an upcoming iTunes release of a recently discovered 1981 Carl Wilson & Myrna Smith collaboration called "This Is Elvis" that was not included in the original soundtrack - with all proceeds to benefit The Carl Wilson Foundation (CWF) ...

Good info Rocker, thanks man!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on August 31, 2015, 08:14:03 AM
Another update from Billy Hinsche on Facebook:


Release date on Iconoclassic / Sony - September 29, 2015 ...

(https://scontent-ams2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11057264_1218555534837404_6787186817406417381_n.jpg?oh=92931907da10dfca6cd95534343e4155&oe=567FD543)


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on August 31, 2015, 12:51:23 PM
Awesome!  :afro


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Peter Reum on August 31, 2015, 01:50:40 PM
Very  much looking forward to it!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2015, 02:13:56 PM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Ninten on August 31, 2015, 02:19:59 PM
I don't have it yet, so I'm glad for this release.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on August 31, 2015, 05:50:28 PM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   
Unless you have the Japanese release, this is a must have to add to the collection. There has never been a U.S. CD release.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2015, 07:12:22 PM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   
Unless you have the Japanese release, this is a must have to add to the collection. There has never been a U.S. CD release.

So you simply want it for your collection?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Jim V. on August 31, 2015, 08:16:05 PM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   
Unless you have the Japanese release, this is a must have to add to the collection. There has never been a U.S. CD release.

So you simply want it for your collection?

Interesting that a guy who is obsessed with his collection seems to be giving people crap for wanting to purchase an album on CD that until next month has been pretty hard to find on that medium.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Douchepool on August 31, 2015, 08:18:11 PM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   
Unless you have the Japanese release, this is a must have to add to the collection. There has never been a U.S. CD release.

So you simply want it for your collection?

Interesting that a guy who is obsessed with his collection seems to be giving people crap for wanting to purchase an album on CD that until next month has been pretty hard to find on that medium.

+1


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2015, 10:25:19 PM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   
Unless you have the Japanese release, this is a must have to add to the collection. There has never been a U.S. CD release.

So you simply want it for your collection?

Interesting that a guy who is obsessed with his collection seems to be giving people crap for wanting to purchase an album on CD that until next month has been pretty hard to find on that medium.

nah, no crap. just trying to be clear.
you can plus 1M and it'll still be the same


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Awesoman on September 01, 2015, 12:14:19 AM
I'll pick it up solely for "Heaven" (although "Hurry Love" is a slight guilty pleasure).  Where does one order a copy?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Matt H on September 01, 2015, 06:45:26 AM
I'll pick it up solely for "Heaven" (although "Hurry Love" is a slight guilty pleasure).  Where does one order a copy?

I pre-ordered mine at Amazon yesterday.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 01, 2015, 07:22:35 AM
So, there's no bonus tracks?
Other than Billy's new liners, what's the point of buying this, then?
It's like another catalog release on Capitol   
Unless you have the Japanese release, this is a must have to add to the collection. There has never been a U.S. CD release.

So you simply want it for your collection?
No, not simply. I will rip it, then put it away.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: HeyJude on September 01, 2015, 08:19:13 AM
I’m the first to admit being jaded and pointing out that adding any sort of bonus tracks would have probably made this CD purchase much easier for hardcore fans. They would have undoubtedly sold more copies that way; but the cost of licensing additional tracks, mastering them, etc. may have not been worth it.

But really, I don’t think a potential consumer’s motives for purchasing this CD could possibly be at all ambiguous. What will someone do if they purchase this CD? I dunno, listen to it?

There are undoubtedly some fans that haven’t either tracked down the old Japanese CD or found the myriad of rips/burns/boots, and aren’t interested in tracking an old vinyl copy. Having Carl’s albums in print on CD (and I would presume digital download) is not a bad thing.

To their credit, Iconoclassic paid a good engineer (Vic Anesini) to remaster Carl’s "Youngblood" album from the original tapes; they did not simply rip the tracks from the old Japan CD (which is probably taken from second or third generation tapes). I would hope/assume the same will be true of the S/T album as well.

Carl would perhaps be best served by trying to see if there’s any way to get all the needed labels on board for a “Best of Carl” CD with the best tracks from his admittedly uneven solo albums, and mixing them in with his strongest BB tracks (and maybe a few unreleased tracks). I’m not big on doing more compilation CDs, but getting people into “Feel Flows” and “Long Promised Road” and then slipping in his best solo stuff, and pulling people in with a few of key hit lead vocals, would probably do more to get Carl “out there” than either a reissue of his solo albums or this upcoming “biography” on him.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on September 01, 2015, 08:19:25 AM
Update from Billy Hinsche's Facebook page: Carl Wilson CD new artwork.

(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/Rich199/1549212_1219247544768203_1127224886829462691_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on September 01, 2015, 08:33:34 AM
I have never heard Carl's solo albums, so I will definitely be very grateful for this release.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bgas on September 01, 2015, 08:42:20 AM
I have never heard Carl's solo albums, so I will definitely be very grateful for this release.

Must be for lack of interest. a visit to Youtube would remedy the situation


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 01, 2015, 10:30:58 AM
I’m the first to admit being jaded and pointing out that adding any sort of bonus tracks would have probably made this CD purchase much easier for hardcore fans. They would have undoubtedly sold more copies that way; but the cost of licensing additional tracks, mastering them, etc. may have not been worth it.

But really, I don’t think a potential consumer’s motives for purchasing this CD could possibly be at all ambiguous. What will someone do if they purchase this CD? I dunno, listen to it?

There are undoubtedly some fans that haven’t either tracked down the old Japanese CD or found the myriad of rips/burns/boots, and aren’t interested in tracking an old vinyl copy. Having Carl’s albums in print on CD (and I would presume digital download) is not a bad thing.

To their credit, Iconoclassic paid a good engineer (Vic Anesini) to remaster Carl’s "Youngblood" album from the original tapes; they did not simply rip the tracks from the old Japan CD (which is probably taken from second or third generation tapes). I would hope/assume the same will be true of the S/T album as well.

Carl would perhaps be best served by trying to see if there’s any way to get all the needed labels on board for a “Best of Carl” CD with the best tracks from his admittedly uneven solo albums, and mixing them in with his strongest BB tracks (and maybe a few unreleased tracks). I’m not big on doing more compilation CDs, but getting people into “Feel Flows” and “Long Promised Road” and then slipping in his best solo stuff, and pulling people in with a few of key hit lead vocals, would probably do more to get Carl “out there” than either a reissue of his solo albums or this upcoming “biography” on him.

That was done once - but only as a limited edition cd for the Carl Wilson Foundation. Would be nice if such a comp had wider release.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bonnevillemariner on September 01, 2015, 10:38:00 AM
I have never heard Carl's solo albums, so I will definitely be very grateful for this release.

I'm still in discovery mode on some of the rarer Beach Boys material and much of the solo stuff from everybody but Brian.  I'm cautiously excited about listening to the Carl album for the first time.  If it's anything like the Like a Brother album, it'll be really anti-climactic for me.  I do plan to Youtube it, as soon as I'm finished tempering my expectations...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bonnevillemariner on September 01, 2015, 10:52:12 AM
From the 'corrected' liners:

On his two solo albums – Carl Wilson in 1981 and Youngblood in 1983 – Carl returned to his R&B roots. “I didn’t want to compromise and make my solo stuff sound like the Beach Boys,” he commented at the time...

Unfortunate.  Beach Boys Carl is a delight-- every track, every note.  Non-Beach Boys Carl sounds like he's aping Peter Cetera.  Listening to Carl avoid sounding like The Beach Boys is like watching Michael Jordan play baseball.  Underwhelming at best.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 01, 2015, 10:53:45 AM
From the 'corrected' liners:

On his two solo albums – Carl Wilson in 1981 and Youngblood in 1983 – Carl returned to his R&B roots. “I didn’t want to compromise and make my solo stuff sound like the Beach Boys,” he commented at the time...

Unfortunate.  Beach Boys Carl is a delight-- every track, every note.  Non-Beach Boys Carl sounds like he's aping Peter Cetera.  Listening to Carl avoid sounding Beach Boys is like watching Michael Jordan play baseball.
Still, there are a few tunes on each solo album that sound Beach Boy-ish.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 01, 2015, 11:26:42 PM
From the 'corrected' liners:

On his two solo albums – Carl Wilson in 1981 and Youngblood in 1983 – Carl returned to his R&B roots. “I didn’t want to compromise and make my solo stuff sound like the Beach Boys,” he commented at the time...

Unfortunate.  Beach Boys Carl is a delight-- every track, every note.  Non-Beach Boys Carl sounds like he's aping Peter Cetera.  Listening to Carl avoid sounding like The Beach Boys is like watching Michael Jordan play baseball.  Underwhelming at best.
Carl's albums were the first solo BB's records I heard, and I still love them.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on September 02, 2015, 05:29:46 AM
I have never heard Carl's solo albums, so I will definitely be very grateful for this release.

Must be for lack of interest. a visit to Youtube would remedy the situation

It must be, because listening to albums on YouTube is such a sonic pleasure  ::)


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bonnevillemariner on September 02, 2015, 07:56:56 AM
It must be, because listening to albums on YouTube is such a sonic pleasure  ::)

 ;D

I listened to both albums on YouTube last night.  Definitely not the best medium for any first listen.  And I'm sorry, but aside from a nice measure here and there, I thought both sucked.  It pains me to say that, being that Carl's is my favorite BB voice, but on his solo stuff he sounds like a cheap Peter Cetera imitation.  Not sure a Hi Fi listen will change that opinion.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 02, 2015, 08:38:13 AM
I think 'suck' may be a bit too strong, but they're disappointing, to put it mildly. His voice aside, there's nothing special about them. I quite like the punchier songs on the first one. The ballads are a bit of drag on both and the second is too much overproduced MOR AOR for my taste.  I think you could make one decent album from tracks from both and the Beckley-Lamm-Wilson album (but I'd still be tempted to include Nilsson's Without Her instead of an original).


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: kwebb on September 02, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
They're good for what they are.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bonnevillemariner on September 02, 2015, 11:00:34 AM
I think 'suck' may be a bit too strong...

Depends on how you define not sucking, I guess.  Compare Good Vibrations and Surf's Up to say,  What You Gonna Do Bout Me and The Grammy.  Tough for me not to use the word 'sucks' in that context.  Totally agree with the rest of your comments, though.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: bonnevillemariner on September 02, 2015, 11:01:09 AM
They're good for what they are.

Frisbees?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 02, 2015, 11:29:52 AM
I think 'suck' may be a bit too strong...

Depends on how you define not sucking, I guess.  Compare Good Vibrations and Surf's Up to say,  What You Gonna Do Bout Me and The Grammy.  Tough for me not to use the word 'sucks' in that context.  Totally agree with the rest of your comments, though.
I think songs like "Heaven" and "Of The Times" are as good as anything that he did with The Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 02, 2015, 04:31:26 PM
I think 'suck' may be a bit too strong...

Depends on how you define not sucking, I guess.  Compare Good Vibrations and Surf's Up to say,  What You Gonna Do Bout Me and The Grammy.  Tough for me not to use the word 'sucks' in that context.  Totally agree with the rest of your comments, though.
I think songs like "Heaven" and "Of The Times" are as good as anything that he did with The Beach Boys.
Exactly. And it surprises me to see people describe the albums as MOR. Youngblood in particular has some hard rocking tunes - What More Can I Say, She's Mine, Too Early to Tell, Rockin' All Over the World, Time. Not hard rocking in an AOR stadium way, nor in a new wave punk way, that would have not been natural for Carl. it always surprised people when I put that album on for friends and told them who it was.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: HeyJude on September 03, 2015, 05:50:17 AM
I think the production of Carl's albums is one of the reasons people kind of find them a bit flaccid. Even the "rock" songs sound rather bland and blunted in terms of production. The drums sound kind of flat and muted. *Very* 80's MOR/AOR. None of the rock songs on his albums ever struck me as anything approaching balls-to-the-wall rock and roll. It always sounded still slick and very "produced", too smooth.


The live 1981 gig at "My Father's Place" that circulates breathes WAY more life into the songs.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 03, 2015, 06:20:14 AM
I think the production of Carl's albums is one of the reasons people kind of find them a bit flaccid. Even the "rock" songs sound rather bland and blunted in terms of production. The drums sound kind of flat and muted. *Very* 80's MOR/AOR. None of the rock songs on his albums ever struck me as anything approaching balls-to-the-wall rock and roll. It always sounded still slick and very "produced", too smooth.




The live 1981 gig at "My Father's Place" that circulates breathes WAY more life into the songs.
Agree, too slick is exactly the right term for them. Though, on a few tracks that style works, but as you said, on the harder tracks, it makes sound bland and zaps them of their strength. Neither are unlistenable by no means, but better production could have made them so much better.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 03, 2015, 09:21:56 AM
I think 'suck' may be a bit too strong...

Depends on how you define not sucking, I guess.  Compare Good Vibrations and Surf's Up to say,  What You Gonna Do Bout Me and The Grammy.  Tough for me not to use the word 'sucks' in that context.  Totally agree with the rest of your comments, though.

Yes, compared to Good Vibes etc. I think The Grammy is just plain awful compared to most things, even The Right Lane - and that's saying something!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 03, 2015, 12:23:49 PM
I think the production of Carl's albums is one of the reasons people kind of find them a bit flaccid. Even the "rock" songs sound rather bland and blunted in terms of production. The drums sound kind of flat and muted. *Very* 80's MOR/AOR. None of the rock songs on his albums ever struck me as anything approaching balls-to-the-wall rock and roll. It always sounded still slick and very "produced", too smooth.




The live 1981 gig at "My Father's Place" that circulates breathes WAY more life into the songs.
Agree, too slick is exactly the right term for them. Though, on a few tracks that style works, but as you said, on the harder tracks, it makes sound bland and zaps them of their strength. Neither are unlistenable by no means, but better production could have made them so much better.
I just don't get it; I mean, neither album has the synth heavy sound of Beach Boys 85.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 03, 2015, 12:37:02 PM
I think the production of Carl's albums is one of the reasons people kind of find them a bit flaccid. Even the "rock" songs sound rather bland and blunted in terms of production. The drums sound kind of flat and muted. *Very* 80's MOR/AOR. None of the rock songs on his albums ever struck me as anything approaching balls-to-the-wall rock and roll. It always sounded still slick and very "produced", too smooth.




The live 1981 gig at "My Father's Place" that circulates breathes WAY more life into the songs.
Agree, too slick is exactly the right term for them. Though, on a few tracks that style works, but as you said, on the harder tracks, it makes sound bland and zaps them of their strength. Neither are unlistenable by no means, but better production could have made them so much better.
I just don't get it; I mean, neither album has the synth heavy sound of Beach Boys 85.
Who said anything about synths? I don't like Jeff Baxter's production style on Youngblood, especially on the faster tracks. I don't hate it and I play it often, but it could have been better with an edgier feel.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: MikestheGreatest!! on September 03, 2015, 06:13:21 PM
Carl's albums were definitely disappointments.  Bland, MOR snoozefests.  I was also perplexed by his lack of involvement in actually playing on the albums.  I remember reading a critique article on the BBs in an old Crawdaddy which stated he never did really develop into the guitarist he could have become.  I would have to agree with that assessment, especially as he could not be bothered to play on his own albums.  Be kinda like buying a Dave Davies album with none of his playing on it.

His white soul act had also worn out its welcome by then.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 03, 2015, 07:10:29 PM
Carl's albums were definitely disappointments.  Bland, MOR snoozefests.  I was also perplexed by his lack of involvement in actually playing on the albums.  I remember reading a critique article on the BBs in an old Crawdaddy which stated he never did really develop into the guitarist he could have become.  I would have to agree with that assessment, especially as he could not be bothered to play on his own albums.  Be kinda like buying a Dave Davies album with none of his playing on it.

His white soul act had also worn out its welcome by then.
To be fair, Dave played in a band where guitar solos were much more prominent. And yes, I do have all of Dave's solo stuff as well. But I never expected Carl to make the nearly heavy metal sounds that Davies did on his solo records. I love Jeff Baxter's production on Youngblood, wish the group had hired him for the 85 album instead of Steve Levine. That synthy production took all the balls out of a song like It's Gettin' Late.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: branaa09 on September 03, 2015, 07:51:30 PM
Carl's albums were definitely disappointments.  Bland, MOR snoozefests.  I was also perplexed by his lack of involvement in actually playing on the albums.  I remember reading a critique article on the BBs in an old Crawdaddy which stated he never did really develop into the guitarist he could have become.  I would have to agree with that assessment, especially as he could not be bothered to play on his own albums.  Be kinda like buying a Dave Davies album with none of his playing on it.

His white soul act had also worn out its welcome by then.
Uh, he does play on his albums, you sound just like Mike Love, what is it not Surfy enough for ya? Oh and by the way Mike Love no just no.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 03, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
Carl's albums were definitely disappointments.  Bland, MOR snoozefests.  I was also perplexed by his lack of involvement in actually playing on the albums.  I remember reading a critique article on the BBs in an old Crawdaddy which stated he never did really develop into the guitarist he could have become.  I would have to agree with that assessment, especially as he could not be bothered to play on his own albums.  Be kinda like buying a Dave Davies album with none of his playing on it.

His white soul act had also worn out its welcome by then.
Uh, he does play on his albums, you sound just like Mike Love, what is it not Surfy enough for ya? Oh and by the way Mike Love no just no.
All of the guitar work on several songs on the first album are Carl; and his rhythm playing is all over Youngblood.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Peadar 'Big Dinner' O'Driscoll on September 03, 2015, 11:48:13 PM
The songwriting is a far bigger problem than any production issues IMO. It feels rushed like all the songs were written on the same day. Still a handful of good songs across the 2 albums though.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: The 4th Wilson Bro. on September 04, 2015, 02:54:06 PM
I think 'suck' may be a bit too strong...

Depends on how you define not sucking, I guess.  Compare Good Vibrations and Surf's Up to say,  What You Gonna Do Bout Me and The Grammy.  Tough for me not to use the word 'sucks' in that context.  Totally agree with the rest of your comments, though.

Not sucking!  Let's see, how 'bout "Not creating a partial vacuum with one's mouth?"


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Jay on September 05, 2015, 03:02:00 AM
Hold Me is one of my favorite songs of all time. I'm looking forward to having it on cd.  ;D


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on September 05, 2015, 03:21:22 AM
Hold Me is one of my favorite songs of all time. I'm looking forward to having it on cd.  ;D


It's a nice song. But as someone on this board once pointed out, it uses Brian's melody of "Funky pretty" in the chorus.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Jay on September 05, 2015, 03:49:42 AM
I don't hear it, to be honest


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: tpesky on September 05, 2015, 07:02:58 AM
The bland production, lack of edge or punch is a problem for Carl's BB songs for that era, especially when you compare them with live versions. Take KTSA  especially and Living with a Heartache .  If the studio version of KTSA sounded anything like the TV and live appearances, it's probably a bigger hit. Bruce has stated on a few occasions that he pushed for an edgier KTSA and Carl refused. Would explain why other songs have the same problem because Carl was calling the shots.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on September 05, 2015, 07:25:26 AM
I'm quite intrigued to hear the remastered version of 'Seems So Long Ago' I have to say.  :hat


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 06, 2015, 10:22:56 AM
Hold Me is one of my favorite songs of all time. I'm looking forward to having it on cd.  ;D


It's a nice song. But as someone on this board once pointed out, it uses Brian's melody of "Funky pretty" in the chorus.
It's similar, but many pop songs sound similar. If you're going to sound similar to someone, it might as well be your brother.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Fall Breaks on September 06, 2015, 12:54:08 PM
What is that some of you have particularly against "The Grammy"?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on September 19, 2015, 03:21:22 AM
This from Billy:


Just completed writing the liner notes for the recently discovered gem of a single "This Is Elvis" written and recorded in 1980 by Carl Wilson and Myrna Smith - it will be launched on iTunes in a few weeks with all proceeds benefitting The Carl Wilson Foundation (CWF) ...

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12006211_1230776720281952_478100029077033646_n.jpg?oh=b66ee3f2071284dbafa367b98e324fdc&oe=56A7E90F)




On another note:

This soundtrack was recently re-released in a deluxe version by Sony's Elvis collector label "Follow that dream":

http://elvispresleyshop.com/this-is-elvis-ftd-expanded-edition-classic-album-format-2-cd-elvis-presley


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: JasonK on September 19, 2015, 05:29:55 AM
The bland production, lack of edge or punch is a problem for Carl's BB songs for that era, especially when you compare them with live versions. Take KTSA  especially and Living with a Heartache .  If the studio version of KTSA sounded anything like the TV and live appearances, it's probably a bigger hit. Bruce has stated on a few occasions that he pushed for an edgier KTSA and Carl refused. Would explain why other songs have the same problem because Carl was calling the shots.

That is an interesting about KTSA/Bruce.  I agree, the live version is much better.  I also think with a few lyrical changes to make it, I don't know, more adult sounding, could have improved it.  "Ice Cream Weather"?  Cold beer weather, Ice chest weather, anything would be better than ice cream.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on September 24, 2015, 08:13:38 AM
Heaven: Iconoclassic Reissues Carl Wilson’s Solo Debut, Analogue Continues Beach Boys On SACD

http://theseconddisc.com/2015/09/23/heaven-iconoclassic-reissues-carl-wilsons-solo-debut-analogue-continues-beach-boys-on-sacd/


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on September 24, 2015, 03:52:08 PM
The bland production, lack of edge or punch is a problem for Carl's BB songs for that era, especially when you compare them with live versions. Take KTSA  especially and Living with a Heartache .  If the studio version of KTSA sounded anything like the TV and live appearances, it's probably a bigger hit. Bruce has stated on a few occasions that he pushed for an edgier KTSA and Carl refused. Would explain why other songs have the same problem because Carl was calling the shots.

That is an interesting about KTSA/Bruce.  I agree, the live version is much better.  I also think with a few lyrical changes to make it, I don't know, more adult sounding, could have improved it.  "Ice Cream Weather"?  Cold beer weather, Ice chest weather, anything would be better than ice cream.

That opening lyric was a signal to everyone who bought the album back in 1980 that they had been totally f*cked over.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on September 24, 2015, 06:01:15 PM
The bland production, lack of edge or punch is a problem for Carl's BB songs for that era, especially when you compare them with live versions. Take KTSA  especially and Living with a Heartache .  If the studio version of KTSA sounded anything like the TV and live appearances, it's probably a bigger hit. Bruce has stated on a few occasions that he pushed for an edgier KTSA and Carl refused. Would explain why other songs have the same problem because Carl was calling the shots.

That is an interesting about KTSA/Bruce.  I agree, the live version is much better.  I also think with a few lyrical changes to make it, I don't know, more adult sounding, could have improved it.  "Ice Cream Weather"?  Cold beer weather, Ice chest weather, anything would be better than ice cream.

That opening lyric was a signal to everyone who bought the album back in 1980 that they had been totally f*cked over.
Speak for yourself. I didn't feel that way at all. Not even a little bit.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 24, 2015, 06:35:12 PM
The bland production, lack of edge or punch is a problem for Carl's BB songs for that era, especially when you compare them with live versions. Take KTSA  especially and Living with a Heartache .  If the studio version of KTSA sounded anything like the TV and live appearances, it's probably a bigger hit. Bruce has stated on a few occasions that he pushed for an edgier KTSA and Carl refused. Would explain why other songs have the same problem because Carl was calling the shots.

That is an interesting about KTSA/Bruce.  I agree, the live version is much better.  I also think with a few lyrical changes to make it, I don't know, more adult sounding, could have improved it.  "Ice Cream Weather"?  Cold beer weather, Ice chest weather, anything would be better than ice cream.

That opening lyric was a signal to everyone who bought the album back in 1980 that they had been totally f*cked over.
Speak for yourself. I didn't feel that way at all. Not even a little bit.
Me, neither. "Ice cream weather" is my favorite time of year.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Bean Bag on September 24, 2015, 09:00:33 PM
This from Billy:


Just completed writing the liner notes for the recently discovered gem of a single "This Is Elvis" written and recorded in 1980 by Carl Wilson and Myrna Smith - it will be launched on iTunes in a few weeks with all proceeds benefitting The Carl Wilson Foundation (CWF) ...

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12006211_1230776720281952_478100029077033646_n.jpg?oh=b66ee3f2071284dbafa367b98e324fdc&oe=56A7E90F)


On another note:

This soundtrack was recently re-released in a deluxe version by Sony's Elvis collector label "Follow that dream":

http://elvispresleyshop.com/this-is-elvis-ftd-expanded-edition-classic-album-format-2-cd-elvis-presley

Wait... what?  Carl recorded a song called This Is Elvis?  For what?  Why??


BTW -- I have the FTD of This Is Elvis -- love it!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on September 25, 2015, 01:24:01 AM
This from Billy:


Just completed writing the liner notes for the recently discovered gem of a single "This Is Elvis" written and recorded in 1980 by Carl Wilson and Myrna Smith - it will be launched on iTunes in a few weeks with all proceeds benefitting The Carl Wilson Foundation (CWF) ...

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12006211_1230776720281952_478100029077033646_n.jpg?oh=b66ee3f2071284dbafa367b98e324fdc&oe=56A7E90F)


On another note:

This soundtrack was recently re-released in a deluxe version by Sony's Elvis collector label "Follow that dream":

http://elvispresleyshop.com/this-is-elvis-ftd-expanded-edition-classic-album-format-2-cd-elvis-presley



Wait... what?  Carl recorded a song called This Is Elvis?  For what?  Why??





Check out this thread:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,19879.0.html


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: HeyJude on September 25, 2015, 05:42:59 AM
The "This Is Elvis" track is something I would describe as much more a Myrna Smith track with Carl on backing vocal(s). Wonderful to hear his voice, but she is much more prominent on this one.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 25, 2015, 08:42:13 AM
Not worthy of either Carl or Elvis, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: feelsflow on September 30, 2015, 10:43:11 AM
Looks like it came out, but mine didn't ship yesterday - or last Friday (new universal release date).  Got Amazon e-mail yesterday saying they couldn't ship til late October!

Did anyone get one?

On happier Carl news, I did get the Ricci Martin Beached Cd a couple of weeks ago.  Very nice sounding re-master by Vic Anesini.  Not brick-walled - so you can turn it up a bit.  Carl and Billy did a great job producing, and are on many of the tracks.  Has c-man ever did a breakdown on which tracks have Dennis on drums, the notes don't say.  If I took a guess, "I Don't Like It" sounds like Dennis.  Four drummers are listed:  Dennis, Ed Teduri, Ricci, and Ricky Fataar.  Ricky is easy to pick out.  His tracks have a '72-74 era Beach Boys feel.  The synths, by Billy and Van Dyke are '77 great!  The orchestrations by Elmo Peeler make his tracks ("Streets of Love" and "Spark of Me") real stand-outs.  "I Had a Dream" would sound even better with a Blondie vocal - It's very Holland-like, sorta "Leaving This Town" in structure.  The bonus tracks are a very nice addition - I like the "Stop Look Around" (Stereo Single Version) better than the Lp take/mix.  My other favs so far are "Belle of the Ball" - the synths give this a very Carl early 70's sound, and "Here I Go Again" is short and sweet, featuring Gerry Beckley like vocals.

Edit:  I said Gerry "on" vocals for "Here I Go Again"...meant to say Gerry Beckley "like" vocals.  So, changed that.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on October 02, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
Mine says it's on its way via Amazon.com (Yes, had to get it imported to the UK). Has anyone received their copy yet?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: feelsflow on October 02, 2015, 01:26:08 PM
Yes!  Got the shipping problem cleared up yesterday, and they UPS-ed it overnight.  I've been reading the very nice liner notes.  No new photos, other than one on the in-lay card.  All the space is used for information.  13 pages:  on the recording, a track-by-track by Billy (and Justyn!), then memories of the tour.  Great - something I really wanted.  Billy didn't touch on the two shows I saw in San Francisco, but goes into great detail of their days on the road.  I hope he shows up here to give us some more stories.

Vic Anesini mastered the disc.  I will be spinning it with-in the hour, and get back here tomorrow with some notes.

I'm sure I'll still play my vinyl sometimes, but what a treat to finally have both of Carl's albums on Cd.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rocker on October 02, 2015, 01:29:33 PM
BTW Billy posted this on Facebook:


Update: the newly released Carl Wilson CD has had such a tremendous initial response that it has already gone into its 2nd pressing - thanks to all of you ...


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: kwebb on October 02, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
I haven't been able to find this on Amazon. Does anyone have a link?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on October 03, 2015, 08:51:38 AM
Mine now says it's arriving Wednesday the 14th. 


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on October 03, 2015, 11:42:44 AM
I haven't been able to find this on Amazon. Does anyone have a link?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014JC1A7Q?gwSec=1&redirect=true&ref_=s9_simh_gw_p15_d2_i1


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Tony S on October 03, 2015, 02:33:07 PM
Got mine today; great liner notes by Billy Hinsche, and comments from Carl's sons.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: drbeachboy on October 03, 2015, 02:57:44 PM
Got mine today; great liner notes by Billy Hinsche, and comments from Carl's sons.
I agree and it sounds pretty good too. I received mine today, as well.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Emdeeh on October 03, 2015, 03:23:08 PM
Arriving tomorrow, according to Amazon.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Awesoman on October 04, 2015, 10:51:40 AM
Got mine today; great liner notes by Billy Hinsche, and comments from Carl's sons.
I agree and it sounds pretty good too. I received mine today, as well.

Got mine on Friday.  The remastering is pretty good.  Kind of surprised there was no bonus tracks.  I know there was a pretty decent soundboard floating around of Carl playing some of these tracks live (as well as throwing in "Long Promised Road" and "I Thank You")...couldn't they have included those as well?


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 04, 2015, 12:37:57 PM
Got mine today; great liner notes by Billy Hinsche, and comments from Carl's sons.
I agree and it sounds pretty good too. I received mine today, as well.

Got mine on Friday.  The remastering is pretty good.  Kind of surprised there was no bonus tracks.  I know there was a pretty decent soundboard floating around of Carl playing some of these tracks live (as well as throwing in "Long Promised Road" and "I Thank You")...couldn't they have included those as well?
They should have at least included the 45 edits of "Hold Me" and "Heaven". Youngblood included the single version of "Givin' You Up".  I used to have a cassette of that album, and I could swear that song was longer on the cassette than on the record. "What You Do to Me" was not on the cassette, even though it was listed on the insert.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: gfac22 on October 06, 2015, 09:21:05 AM
Stupid question: I don't have my LP handy at the moment, is the "Brights Lights" typo on the original release or is that unique to the CD?

Great to finally have this on CD.  It will never be a favorite, but it's nice to listen to every once in a while.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Rob Dean on October 06, 2015, 09:54:04 AM
Stupid question: I don't have my LP handy at the moment, is the "Brights Lights" typo on the original release or is that unique to the CD?

Great to finally have this on CD.  It will never be a favorite, but it's nice to listen to every once in a while.

Not a stupid question, got me thinking and looking.
The original LP and the original Japanese CD format both list the track correctly as 'Bright Lights'


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: feelsflow on October 06, 2015, 10:40:34 AM
Stupid question: I don't have my LP handy at the moment, is the "Brights Lights" typo on the original release or is that unique to the CD?

Great to finally have this on CD.  It will never be a favorite, but it's nice to listen to every once in a while.

Not a stupid question, got me thinking and looking.
The original LP and the original Japanese CD format both list the track correctly as 'Bright Lights'
Good catch gfac22!  I'm not sure how they do these covers, but it means they don't just photocopy the album and shrink it down in size.  They must have re-set the type.  If they fix this in the second pressing, we'll know how to spot a first pressing.

btw, I'm not ignoring this thread...said I would get right back with notes on my first listen.  Well, other than to say this is a very fine mastering, I'm waiting til I can give this another listen this week-end.  One thing that stood out was that you can really turn this puppy up.  Vic did the Youngblood Cd mastering as well.  I want to go back and compare that to this new one.  I don't remember if you could turn that up as much as this.  It's nice to see the days of the loudness war coming to an end.  Somebody get that news to McCartney.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Emdeeh on October 06, 2015, 10:48:09 AM
I am really enjoying Billy's informative liner notes, and there's a cool new-to-me photo of Carl in the tray liner.

As for the album, I've had it on Japanese CD for a long time, so I still enjoy the music as always.  :)


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 06, 2015, 04:27:38 PM
I am really enjoying Billy's informative liner notes, and there's a cool new-to-me photo of Carl in the tray liner.

As for the album, I've had it on Japanese CD for a long time, so I still enjoy the music as always.  :)
Billy did great notes for both of Carl's solo cd's, nice to read about it from one of the guys who was there.


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Cool Cool Water on October 08, 2015, 06:03:21 AM
Received my copy today. Absolutely excellent, meaningful and magnificent liner notes from Billy Hinsche, with wonderful words from Justyn Wilson. The album sounds awesome remasted too!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 12, 2015, 08:43:42 AM
My copy arrived at a good friend's house today, he's bringing it in for me tomorrow. Can't wait to hear a good quality version of this album!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Mooger Fooger on October 16, 2015, 02:24:31 PM
I have had the vinyl for years now and always liked the LP, but now, with the superior remastered sound - it cooks!


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Carl Forever on October 28, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
I believe Carls new release is part of the many giveaways ESQ is having right now, no entry needed, just have a subscription: https://www.facebook.com/ESQ.Editor/photos/pcb.10153629932757487/10153629930047487/?type=3&theater


Title: Re: Carl Wilson - 1st soloalbum-rerelease news!
Post by: Lonely Summer on October 28, 2015, 10:29:30 PM
I believe Carls new release is part of the many giveaways ESQ is having right now, no entry needed, just have a subscription: https://www.facebook.com/ESQ.Editor/photos/pcb.10153629932757487/10153629930047487/?type=3&theater
I already have it.