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Title: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SurfinNJ on January 16, 2015, 07:47:26 PM
Hi all. I found a couple of records at my local record store that I've never seen or heard of before, and I haven't been able to find any information about them online. I was hoping someone here may have some more info about them. 

The back cover had some info about this one, it says these tunes are outtakes from the 15 Big Ones album. Any more info anyone could give me would be appreciated though.

(http://s2.postimg.org/92juzzbzt/image.jpg)

(http://s3.postimg.org/7sxtm7eir/image.jpg)

I have no info at all about this one, called Brian Wilsom Productions?

(http://s8.postimg.org/5xxpmdtdh/image.jpg)

(http://s1.postimg.org/wbl71bo3z/image.jpg)

And this one I know about, and have heard, but thought it was cool to find it on vinyl so I thought I'd share the pic :)

(http://s12.postimg.org/ar1759vyl/image.jpg)


Are they worth buying?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Endless on January 16, 2015, 08:13:20 PM
oh my god, that Adult/Child sleeve picture is the best I've seen! anyone have it in better quality than this?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 16, 2015, 08:29:31 PM
Making Waves label - Canada - vinyl bootlegs - 1983

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  (Black, orange, gold vinyl)
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)

Also in  the series were:
Beach Boys Merry Christmas (Collector’s Series #3)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  (Title misspelled on the cover (Califonia Feeling) but the title on the record label is spelt correctly).

And if you're going to collect all of the original vinyl boots, in addition to the 3 or 4 SMiLE releases and the front and back SMiLE slicks, there is Landlocked, Adult Child *, California Feeling *, Made In USA, the Honeys box set, Bamboo, Brian Loves You, Hawthorne Hot Shots, Bob & Sheri single w/sleeve. Pamela Jean, and the KPUK sleeve.

* Note that Adult Child and California Feeling vinyl bootleg albums are different than the 'Making Waves' versions above.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17359.0.html


Brian Wilson Productions - looks like Capitol SMF657, released 1980 (UK). Original version of this album came out in 1980 as Disk 7 of the Beach Boys Capitol Years World Records box set.

All of these albums are worth picking up - around $15 to $25 bucks each is about right.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 16, 2015, 08:45:31 PM
Making Waves label - Canada - vinyl bootlegs - 1983

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  (Black, orange, gold vinyl)
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)

Also in  the series were:
Beach Boys Merry Christmas (Collector’s Series #3)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  (Title misspelled on the cover (Califonia Feeling) but the title on the record label is spelt correctly).

And if you're going to collect all of the original vinyl boots, in addition to the 3 or 4 SMiLE releases and the front and back SMiLE slicks, there is Landlocked, Adult Child *, California Feeling *, Made In USA, the Honeys box set, Bamboo, Brian Loves You, Hawthorne Hot Shots, Bob & Sheri single w/sleeve. Pamela Jean, and the KPUK sleeve.

* Note that Adult Child and California Feeling vinyl bootleg albums are different than the 'Making Waves' versions above.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17359.0.html


Brian Wilson Productions - released on vinyl by itself - looks like TOCP-6157 1990 (Japan) or.....

Original version of this album came out in 1980 as Disk 7 of the Beach Boys Capitol Years World Records box set.

All of these albums are worth picking up - around $15 to $25 bucks each is about right.


Man!  Too bad they never did the KPUK vinyl. 

Mikie, are you familiar with releases of a Smile single LP on colored vinyl,  Supposedly  Green, Blue, Red and maybe Yellow?   ( Sea Of Tunes LP 1001 )


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 16, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Bgas, all I have is the 3-vinyl set (red, green, blue) Vigotone ‎– ST-9002 with poster and session notes. I'm not familiar with the one you mentioned.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 16, 2015, 08:57:58 PM
Bgas, all I have is the 3-vinyl set (red, green, blue) Vigotone ‎– ST-9002 with poster and session notes. I'm not familiar with the one you mentioned.



yeah, that's all I ever saw too. But evidently there are a lot of colored ones around. Have no idea if the tracks are different


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 16, 2015, 09:05:46 PM


And if you're going to collect all of the original vinyl boots, in addition to the 3 or 4 SMiLE releases and the front and back SMiLE slicks, there is Landlocked, Adult Child *, California Feeling *, Made In USA, the Honeys box set, Bamboo, Brian Loves You, Hawthorne Hot Shots, Bob & Sheri single w/sleeve. Pamela Jean, and the KPUK sleeve.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17359.0.html

All of these albums are worth picking up - around $15 to $25 bucks each is about right.


Just happened to see this new listing for a boot of the boot Honeys Box:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/400845045735


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 16, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
I bought my Honeys box set when it came out (limited edition) and I don't remember it including a "He's A Doll" poster. It contains the "Surf Bash" poster and button, but I don't remember the poster of the Honeys record. Would be interested to find out if other collectors here have the "He's A Doll" poster.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 16, 2015, 09:23:09 PM
I bought my Honeys box set when it came out (limited edition) and I don't remember it including a "He's A Doll" poster. It contains the "Surf Bash" poster and button, but I don't remember the poster of the Honeys record. Would be interested to find out if other collectors here have the "He's A Doll" poster.

The He's A Doll is the booklet for the boot of the boot( or 2nd edition if you will) where yours has the Honeys booklet. Also, your record has a blue label compared to the black for this 2nd edition. And of course, yours is numbered ( sticker on the outer plastic bag)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 16, 2015, 09:35:54 PM
Ahhhh, I was unaware that there was a boot of the boot of the Honeys Box Set!  So that makes IT a collectible too!

This is the one I have:

http://auction.catawiki.com/kavels/530997-the-honeys-1lp-box-set-the-definite-album-vol-iii-no-label-paraguay-1977-unofficial-beach-boys-releated-issue


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 17, 2015, 01:51:32 AM
Bgas, all I have is the 3-vinyl set (red, green, blue) Vigotone ‎– ST-9002 with poster and session notes. I'm not familiar with the one you mentioned.



yeah, that's all I ever saw too. But evidently there are a lot of colored ones around. Have no idea if the tracks are different

The colored copies are just the most recent vinyl boots of SOT 16.  Same tracklist.  These are terrible pressings btw.  Very noisy and bad quality printing on the sleeves.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: John Manning on January 17, 2015, 04:20:18 AM
Bgas, all I have is the 3-vinyl set (red, green, blue) Vigotone ‎– ST-9002 with poster and session notes. I'm not familiar with the one you mentioned.



yeah, that's all I ever saw too. But evidently there are a lot of colored ones around. Have no idea if the tracks are different

The colored copies are just the most recent vinyl boots of SOT 16.  Same tracklist.  These are terrible pressings btw.  Very noisy and bad quality printing on the sleeves.

Am I right in thinking one of the tracks was speed corrected for the vinyl though?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SurfinNJ on January 17, 2015, 04:54:34 AM
Making Waves label - Canada - vinyl bootlegs - 1983

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  (Black, orange, gold vinyl)
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)

Also in  the series were:
Beach Boys Merry Christmas (Collector’s Series #3)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  (Title misspelled on the cover (Califonia Feeling) but the title on the record label is spelt correctly).

And if you're going to collect all of the original vinyl boots, in addition to the 3 or 4 SMiLE releases and the front and back SMiLE slicks, there is Landlocked, Adult Child *, California Feeling *, Made In USA, the Honeys box set, Bamboo, Brian Loves You, Hawthorne Hot Shots, Bob & Sheri single w/sleeve. Pamela Jean, and the KPUK sleeve.

* Note that Adult Child and California Feeling vinyl bootleg albums are different than the 'Making Waves' versions above.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17359.0.html


Brian Wilson Productions - looks like Capitol SMF657, released 1980 (UK). Original version of this album came out in 1980 as Disk 7 of the Beach Boys Capitol Years World Records box set.

All of these albums are worth picking up - around $15 to $25 bucks each is about right.


Thanks Mikie, I'll probably be picking these up next time I'm at the record store. Have you heard them? I'm wondering if the audio quality is good. Also, how are those Adult Child and California Feelings vinyls different that the Making Waves version?  Different mix and track listing? Or different songs?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Manfred on January 17, 2015, 04:59:28 AM
I´ve got Merry Christmas, Adult Child and California feeling even as Picture-Discs.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SurfinNJ on January 17, 2015, 05:33:23 AM
Also, are the old SMiLE boots worth picking up now that we have the SMiLE Sessions?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: gxios on January 17, 2015, 05:56:26 AM
Adult Child and New Album sound like the source was a cassette tape-  listenable but hissy.  The Brian Wilson Productions disc is nicely pressed but has some rechannelled stereo cuts.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 08:56:52 AM
Making Waves label - Canada - vinyl bootlegs - 1983

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  (Black, orange, gold vinyl)
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)

Also in  the series were:
Beach Boys Merry Christmas (Collector’s Series #3)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  (Title misspelled on the cover (Califonia Feeling) but the title on the record label is spelt correctly).

And if you're going to collect all of the original vinyl boots, in addition to the 3 or 4 SMiLE releases and the front and back SMiLE slicks, there is Landlocked, Adult Child *, California Feeling *, Made In USA, the Honeys box set, Bamboo, Brian Loves You, Hawthorne Hot Shots, Bob & Sheri single w/sleeve. Pamela Jean, and the KPUK sleeve.

* Note that Adult Child and California Feeling vinyl bootleg albums are different than the 'Making Waves' versions above.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17359.0.html


Brian Wilson Productions - looks like Capitol SMF657, released 1980 (UK). Original version of this album came out in 1980 as Disk 7 of the Beach Boys Capitol Years World Records box set.

All of these albums are worth picking up - around $15 to $25 bucks each is about right.


Thanks Mikie, I'll probably be picking these up next time I'm at the record store. Have you heard them? I'm wondering if the audio quality is good. Also, how are those Adult Child and California Feelings vinyls different that the Making Waves version?  Different mix and track listing? Or different songs?

To answer your questions the best I can:

I do have them and it's been many years since I've listened to them. Prior to having the vinyl copies, I had cassette copies of each one. As gxios suggests that Adult Child and New Album sound like they're sourced from cassette tape and if memory serves, he's probably correct. If you find the second version of Adult Child (vinyl boot) with Brian's picture on the front and his back on the back, that is of a little better quality. Same with California Feeling boot LP; the one with Dennis on his boat on the back cover. It's hit or miss on the vinyls - there's always going to be surface noise and maybe a couple of clicks or pops, and the sources for the tracks are usually not going to be from first or second generation tapes. These boots all came out in the late 70's/early 80's, so most of the tracks are now available in much better quality.

SurfinNJ, if you want the original bootlegs and they have to be vinyl, then you can collect them all. If you want to get all the original vinyl copies of the regular issued Beach Boys records, I'd get them first, then collect the bootlegs. Otherwise, they all have subsequently been 'de-clicked' and 'de-noised' and pressed on CD as they were on vinyl and some of the songs have been formally released in MUCH better quality on various boots (Dumb Angel Series and Journals come immediately to mind) and even on FLAC/Mp3 over the years. There's one fan on this board that remixed the Landlocked and Adult Child tracks and they sound superb! The "Search" function is your best friend here. Any more questions, just inquire within. You have some advanced Beach Boys collectors right here on this thread alone with the answers.

If Manfred's still around, I'd like to get the manufacturer/numbers (if they exist) off the picture discs that he mentioned to add them to the vinyl bootleg list. I've only seen one of them over the years.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 09:13:03 AM
Also, are the old SMiLE boots worth picking up now that we have the SMiLE Sessions?

They are worth picking up for their collectibility. These came out back in the early 80's, so vinyl was all there was at the time and we added them to our existing vinyl collections. Then CD's came out and they were duplicated to CD's and some of us added those to our CD collections. Then MP3's came out for computers and iPods/IPads and those same bootlegs were available for download. Aaaaannnnd, we also have a lot of fan mixes of Smile available for download. Subsequent to these original vinyl boots coming out, there have been vast improvements to the sound quality of the Smile tracks and closer generation sources have been found - sometimes the masters. The SOT set on CD came out around 1999/2000 with new revelations in sound quality. There is a list of Smile boots in this forum that I recommend you search for.

P.S. If you can't afford the TSS box, just get the 2-CD set. Sound quality is fantastic because in many cases they used the masters or very close to the masters for sources.

OK, I hear knocking on my front door now. Some guy is yelling "RIAA" so I gotta go.....


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 17, 2015, 11:32:44 AM
Mikie, are you familiar with releases of a Smile single LP on colored vinyl,  Supposedly  Green, Blue, Red and maybe Yellow?   ( Sea Of Tunes LP 1001 )

Black, green, blue and red exist. All have the same tracklist.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Peter Reum on January 17, 2015, 01:55:59 PM
The REAL BB Collector's series consisted of The blue vinyl Safari 101, The Honeys lp with a booklet, pin, a special The Beach Boys Love You! condom, and record in a box, the Hot Shots 2 EP set, The front and back Smile reprints, and the KPUK EP which was never pressed. The Adult Child, New Album, and Smile boots were done by a certain BB discographer who must remain nameless, and were NOT part of the BB Collector's Series.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 17, 2015, 02:01:11 PM
The REAL BB Collector's series consisted of The blue vinyl Safari 101, The Honeys lp with a booklet, pin, and record in a box, the Hot Shoys 2 EP set, The front and back Smile reprints, and the KPUK EP which was never pressed. The Adult Child, New Album, and Smile boots were done by a certain BB discographer who must remain nameless, and were NOT part of the BB Collector's Series.

What of the special bonus item in some of the Honeys Box set?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Peter Reum on January 17, 2015, 02:06:59 PM
My memory is dull on this Chris, remind me of what the bonus item was....thanks!


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 05:07:43 PM
Edited - See updated vinyl bootleg list on subsequent page of this thread.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 17, 2015, 07:46:41 PM
2 - Honeys box set - album, poster, button (limited edition of 150, not numbered) Personal note - I missed out on the BB Love You condom (darn it).


All in all a great list Mikie!  only error as I see it was with the Honeys box. 
While the record/cover weren't numbered, there was a sticker on the outer plastic bag, looked like this one: 

     (http://i59.tinypic.com/2mcezrd.jpg) 

As to the Condom, don't feel bad, they were inserted into random boxes; I was told one in 5 , maybe. I didn't get one either. Would have been very cool, I'm thinking. Be neat to hear from anyone here that did get one and, maybe, show a pic if they still have it( or send it to me and I'll post it....)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 17, 2015, 07:48:15 PM
Seriously, there was a Beach Boys Love You condom?!  Amazing.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 17, 2015, 08:05:36 PM
Seriously, there was a Beach Boys Love You condom?!  Amazing.

NOT an official release by WB/Brother, tho, to be clear


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 08:08:45 PM
All in all a great list Mikie!  only error as I see it was with the Honeys box. While the record/cover weren't numbered, there was a sticker on the outer plastic bag, looked like this one: 

There's no error, Bgas, but thanks for the detailed input. Mine's numbered on a sticker too. I will add the boot of a boot of the Honeys box though and the Smile bootleg sets on vinyl.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
Seriously, there was a Beach Boys Love You condom?!  Amazing.

I think Pete's joshin'! I never heard about any condom before! Unless it was another tracking device (like Miles Davis' "Here Come Da Honey Man" was used in the early Smile boots).  ;D


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 17, 2015, 08:19:17 PM
Mikie, the Hawthorne Hotshots EP was also double-booted.  The boot-of-boot copies have a white sleeve instead of a green one, and are all numbered "25."

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 08:21:02 PM
Mikie, the Hawthorne Hotshots EP was also double-booted.  The boot-of-boot copies have a white sleeve instead of a green one, and are all numbered "25."

Lee

It's "Mikie".  Please fix that laptop, Lee!! 


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 17, 2015, 08:23:48 PM
Mikie, the Hawthorne Hotshots EP was also double-booted.  The boot-of-boot copies have a white sleeve instead of a green one, and are all numbered "25."

Lee

Duly noted. My original copy of the Hotshots is black vinyl but I read somewhere there were brown or chocolate vinyl copies. Is that correct or no?

Do you have a quantity on the second go-around of the Honeys box and the Hotshots EP?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Vernon Surfer on January 17, 2015, 10:45:17 PM
If I recall, the condom had the famous surfer girl album cover printed on it. For some of you of course, Dave and Mike would not appear.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Manfred on January 18, 2015, 04:18:28 AM
To Mikie:

The pic discs have no number, they are made from the covers. Does anybody have an idea about their value ?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 18, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
So no numbers or Mfr. to be found on the picture disks or sleeves, eh Manfred?

Any updates to the vinyl boot list on the previous page would be appreciated. There's a 2-album Smile set that came out that I can't find the number or label information to as I don't have it at my disposal right now.  Pretty sure I remember it as a 2-disk set placed in one sleeve and it came out before the 3-disk Vigotone set.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 18, 2015, 11:33:15 AM
The Beach Boys Collector's Series was the following:

Vol 1 - "Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty" blue vinyl single, cardboard sleeve (limited edition of 1000, numbered).
Vol II - The Honeys Definite Album box set - album, blue label, booklet, "Surf Bash" poster, button (limited edition of 150, hand-numbered) Personal note - I missed out on the BB Love You condom (darn it).
Vol III - Hawthorne Hotshots double EP (limited edition of 500, hand-numbered) Ultra rare brown vinyl copies?
Vol IV - Smile front slick (uncropped, produced from the original separations, limited edition of 1000, not numbered).
Vol V - Smile back slick (uncropped, limited edition of 200, hand-numbered - maybe 20 survived).
Vol VI - Radio KPUK presents The Borscht Boys EP (limited edition of 500 sleeves, only the unnumbered sleeves survived) red colored - ultra rare original copies were light green.

The proposed KPUK EP lineup was:

We Got Love (studio)
Toys for Tots commercial (on Ultimate Christmas)
Rock & Roll Music (hot mix w/extra verse)
Pamela Jean
Auld Lang Syne (w/o Dennis)

Additional vinyl bootleg albums/singles were:

SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580)  
SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580) Second Edition
SMiLE                              2- LP's in one sleeve
SMiLE (Vigotone ST-9002) 3-LP's - red, blue, green colored vinyl, poster, session sheets
SMiLE (Sea of Tunes LP001) Available in red, blue, green colored vinyl
Landlocked (Brother Records HNG-10)
Adult Child  (Brother Records BW-1977)
California Feeling (Brother Records SUN-3329)  
Made In USA (Brother Records BR-409)
Brian Loves You (Local Reduction Institute RT-4661)
Bamboo (Bamboo Records ST1444)
Honeys Definite Album box set - second time booted, album, black label, booklet w/He's A Doll" cover,"Surf Bash" poster
Hawthorne Hotshots - second time booted, double EP, white sleeve, all numbered "25")
Pamela Jean single - (Wilson Records) w/sleeve
Kenny & The Cadets - (Wilson Records) w/sleeve (Randy Records) no sleeve.
Child Of Winter - (Randy Records) white label

Additional vinyl bootleg albums - (Making Waves) - Canada 1983

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  (Black, orange, and gold vinyl)
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)
Beach Boys Merry Christmas (Collector’s Series #3)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  (Title misspelled on the cover (Califonia Feeling) but the title on the record label is spelt correctly).

Live MSG 1971 (Princeton) - Wizardo Records 359
Live Anaheim '76 Wizardo Records WMRB 504
Surf's Down - Running Bear Records RB 0011 - 200 pressings


Mikie, additions to your list:
(45) East Coast Girl / Little Miss Coupe (In Step BB-104) - (live versions of "California Girls" and "Little Deuce Coupe", in a picture cover)
(LP) Surfer's Nightmare (TMOQ 72116) - 2 LPs, Live Nassau Coliseum, New York 5/14/79
(LP) Live at the CBS Convention (Brother BR 1977) - 2 LPs from London 7/30/77
(LP) Rare Gems (Quicktype BB1) 2 LPs featuring rarities that had previously been circulating on collector tapes
(LP) Beach Boys Meet the Grateful Dead (Rama [no #]) - 2 LPs, Filmore 4/27/71
(LP) Various Artists including Beach Boys - Filmore East Final Concert 6/22/71 - 1 LP; mine has no cover and no labels

Made In USA (Brother BR-409) came in at least 3 variations:
1) Manilla-colored cover with brown writing, and a 3-D lenticular photo of a monkey on the cover
2) Yellow cover with black writing; no monkey on the cover
3) Orange cover with brown writing; no monkey on the cover

Adult Child (Brother BW-1977) was repressed later with a generic TMOQ cover and photocopy insert.

My copy of the Honeys The Definite Album, Vol. III boxed set (#73/150) also came with a facsimile "ticket" for the "Surf Bash" show featured on the poster.

The cover of Wizardo Records WRMB 359 (Resurfing USA) shows the venue as Madison Square Garden November 1972, however the Beach Boys didn't play the Garden in 1971 or 1972.  Multiple cover and label variations exist.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 18, 2015, 01:10:31 PM
Any updates to the vinyl boot list on the previous page would be appreciated. There's a 2-album Smile set that came out that I can't find the number or label information to as I don't have it at my disposal right now.  Pretty sure I remember it as a 2-disk set placed in one sleeve and it came out before the 3-disk Vigotone set.

Mikie, I might have the 2 LP Smile set you're referring to, purchased in 1990. Not much information available apart from Stereo/Mono on the spine of the cover and each LP side has SMILE-A, SMILE-B, SMILE-C, and SMILE-D etched into the runout grooves. Included is a yellow 4 page sheet of "The Smile Music" by Domenic Priore.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 18, 2015, 01:12:55 PM
The Beach Boys Collector's Series was the following:

Vol 1 - "Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty" blue vinyl single, cardboard sleeve (limited edition of 1000, numbered).
Vol II - The Honeys Definite Album box set - album, blue label, booklet, "Surf Bash" poster, button (limited edition of 150, hand-numbered) Personal note - I missed out on the BB Love You condom (darn it).
Vol III - Hawthorne Hotshots double EP (limited edition of 500, hand-numbered) Ultra rare brown vinyl copies?
Vol IV - Smile front slick (uncropped, produced from the original separations, limited edition of 1000, not numbered).
Vol V - Smile back slick (uncropped, limited edition of 200, hand-numbered - maybe 20 survived).
Vol VI - Radio KPUK presents The Borscht Boys EP (limited edition of 500 sleeves, only the unnumbered sleeves survived) red colored - ultra rare original copies were light green.

The proposed KPUK EP lineup was:

We Got Love (studio)
Toys for Tots commercial (on Ultimate Christmas)
Rock & Roll Music (hot mix w/extra verse)
Pamela Jean
Auld Lang Syne (w/o Dennis)

Additional vinyl bootleg albums/singles were:

SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580)  
SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580) Second Edition
SMiLE                              2- LP's in one sleeve
SMiLE (Vigotone ST-9002) 3-LP's - red, blue, green colored vinyl, poster, session sheets
SMiLE (Sea of Tunes LP001) Available in red, blue, green colored vinyl
Landlocked (Brother Records HNG-10)
Adult Child  (Brother Records BW-1977)
California Feeling (Brother Records SUN-3329)  
Made In USA (Brother Records BR-409)
Brian Loves You (Local Reduction Institute RT-4661)
Bamboo (Bamboo Records ST1444)
Honeys Definite Album box set - second time booted, album, black label, booklet w/He's A Doll" cover,"Surf Bash" poster
Hawthorne Hotshots - second time booted, double EP, white sleeve, all numbered "25")
Pamela Jean single - (Wilson Records) w/sleeve
Kenny & The Cadets - (Wilson Records) w/sleeve (Randy Records) no sleeve.
Child Of Winter - (Randy Records) white label
Additional vinyl bootleg albums - (Making Waves) - Canada 1983

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  (Black, orange, and gold vinyl)
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)
Beach Boys Merry Christmas (Collector’s Series #3)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  (Title misspelled on the cover (Califonia Feeling) but the title on the record label is spelt correctly).

Live MSG 1971 (Princeton) - Wizardo Records 359
Live Anaheim '76 Wizardo Records WMRB 504
Surf's Down - Running Bear Records RB 0011 - 200 pressings


Mikie, additions to your list:
(45) East Coast Girl / Little Miss Coupe (In Step BB-104) - (live versions of "California Girls" and "Little Deuce Coupe", in a picture cover)
(LP) Surfer's Nightmare (TMOQ 72116) - 2 LPs, Live Nassau Coliseum, New York 5/14/79
(LP) Live at the CBS Convention (Brother BR 1977) - 2 LPs from London 7/30/77
(LP) Rare Gems (Quicktype BB1) 2 LPs featuring rarities that had previously been circulating on collector tapes
(LP) Beach Boys Meet the Grateful Dead (Rama [no #]) - 2 LPs, Filmore 4/27/71
(LP) Various Artists including Beach Boys - Filmore East Final Concert 6/22/71 - 1 LP; mine has no cover and no labels

Made In USA (Brother BR-409) came in at least 3 variations:
1) Manilla-colored cover with brown writing, and a 3-D lenticular photo of a monkey on the cover
2) Yellow cover with black writing; no monkey on the cover
3) Orange cover with brown writing; no monkey on the cover

Adult Child (Brother BW-1977) was repressed later with a generic TMOQ cover and photocopy insert.

My copy of the Honeys The Definite Album, Vol. III boxed set (#73/150) also came with a facsimile "ticket" for the "Surf Bash" show featured on the poster.

The cover of Wizardo Records WRMB 359 (Resurfing USA) shows the venue as Madison Square Garden November 1972, however the Beach Boys didn't play the Garden in 1971 or 1972.  Multiple cover and label variations exist.

Lee

I can see I somehow missed buyiing ALOT of these LPs....

Starline site has pics of : all  the listings colored yellow above plus:  a yellow vinyl COW 45, a "Wilson Records" EP with K&Cadets/Survivors w/PS( not sure if this is the same as the two separate singles you list Mikie)    plus several bootleg PS's.
http://www.beachboys45.nl/USA-Regular-Bootleg%20releases.htm
For practically any BBs 45 info, I use this as the go-to site.   ( http://www.beachboys45.nl/ )

Next, from a list I recently got from John Davison comes these 45/EP listings ( tho I don't have the tracks for each; figure you probaby do Mikie):
The Beach Boys   Five Rare Tunes  ( E.P. )   California Collectors Vol 2 ~
        Bitchen BREP 2
Brian Wilson   Jan Berry & Brian Wilson  ( E.P. )   California Collectors Vol 3 ~
        Bitchen BREP 3
      California Collectors Vol 4 ~
        Bitchen BREP 4
The Beach Boys   The Beach Boys ~  Live and Unreleased  ( E.P. )   California Collectors Vol 5 ~
        Bitchen BREP 5
and  also has these LPs :  
The Beach Boys   Live ~  Madison Square Gardens, New York City   2609  ( Ihave a Resurfing USA with the same ##)
The Beach Boys   California Surfin' Music   LP BB 7010
The Beach Boys   Good Time   White Label No 30 / 200
The Beach Boys   California Easter Album  ( 2 x L/P's )   Egg Nine / Ten
The Beach Boys   Live at the Filmore East   Old Glory Records - 300 Series

Continuing, I should mention the ticket in the Honeys Box ( Thanx Lee) is numbered the same as the sticker on the wrap.  As a side note, one of the two 2nd Editions I have also includes the original booklet and a ticket numbered 28( seller must have mixed it up before mailing)
The original boxes have matrix numbers PRMM 102 A/B in the run-outs while the 2nd edition has    The Honeys Side 1/Side2    

My copies(2) of this LP>> Various Artists including Beach Boys - Filmore East Final Concert 6/22/71 - 1 LP <<   came in a blank gatefold cover with a 1-sided sheet listing artists/songs, showing a photo drawing of the Fillmore East. The LP has matrix #s EL 3304 A/B


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 18, 2015, 09:40:50 PM
Chris, good add on those California Collector's Series EPs.  I have the whole set, but since they came out of Australia I had them with my foreign EPs instead of my boots so I overlooked them.

California Surf Music (LP BB 7010) is a reissue of Resurfing' USA.

California Easter Album is a sampler of various bootlegs by the Grateful Dead, Hot Tuna, Blue Cheer, and others.  It contains two tracks from The Beach Boys Meet The Grateful Dead ("Searchin'" and "Riot in Cell Block #9").

I would love to know more about The Beach Boys - Good Time.  Never heard of that one.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 18, 2015, 10:34:45 PM
I have seen those California Collector's Series since DB first had them up for sale, but neglected to pick them up because some crossed over into Jan & Dean territory and/or I already had the tracks in other places. I can see the Brian/Jan "Don't you Just Know It" boot belongs on the list - stuff like that.

Just updated the list to reflect what you guys have provided thus far. Some of these I can't verify as:

1. I don't have them myself
2. I can't find them on the internet to substantiate.

So I trust you guys with the info!

Bgas, I need more clarification on some of the numbers/labels you listed. Please preafrood the list.

1. Can't remember if I have a ticket in my Honeys box set. I have one of the first runs of 150. To clarify - does the ticket come with the first or second repressings of the box set?
2. I've only seen one "Made In U.S.A. boot - the one with the 3D monkey on the cover. Was unaware of 3 variations!
3. Was also unaware of another variation of the Adult Child boot (not Making Waves) with alternate cover.

Please review the updated list and I will update accordingly.  Still waiting for Metal Flake Paint's input to the 2-LP Smile!  Thanks, guys!

* Too bad we can't put this list up as a Sticky, but I don't think Chuckie and the rules would allow it. What do you think, Klass?  ;D  At least it will be a good reference as questions have come up before regarding the vinyl bootlegs and they are regarded as collectibles. I think CD's would be a daunting task, but we do have a good comprehensive list of SMiLE boots on CD already!


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 19, 2015, 01:20:33 AM
* Too bad we can't put this list up as a Sticky, but I don't think Chuckie and the rules would allow it. What do you think, Klass?  ;D  At least it will be a good reference as questions have come up before regarding the vinyl bootlegs and they are regarded as collectibles. I think CD's would be a daunting task, but we do have a good comprehensive list of SMiLE boots on CD already!

As long as you all stay active on this topic, it will stay up pretty high on this forum. And we can always add it to the Smiley Smile Reference Threads section (a subsection on the General on-topic page): http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/board,38.0.html

And then when it comes to CD's, the bootlegs section on www.surfermoon.com makes a good start.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 19, 2015, 06:09:10 AM
I have seen those California Collector's Series since DB first had them up for sale, but neglected to pick them up because some crossed over into Jan & Dean territory and/or I already had the tracks in other places. I can see the Brian/Jan "Don't you Just Know It" boot belongs on the list - stuff like that.

Just updated the list to reflect what you guys have provided thus far. Some of these I can't verify as:

1. I don't have them myself
2. I can't find them on the internet to substantiate.

So I trust you guys with the info!

Bgas, I need more clarification on some of the numbers/labels you listed. Please preafrood the list.

1. Can't remember if I have a ticket in my Honeys box set. I have one of the first runs of 150. To clarify - does the ticket come with the first or second repressings of the box set?
2. I've only seen one "Made In U.S.A. boot - the one with the 3D monkey on the cover. Was unaware of 3 variations!
3. Was also unaware of another variation of the Adult Child boot (not Making Waves) with alternate cover.

Please review the updated list and I will update accordingly.  Still waiting for Metal Flake Paint's input to the 2-LP Smile!  Thanks, guys!

Lee has the Bitchen EPs, so I'll leave it to him to list them/decide which should be included on a BBs list.  And maybe Lee has the reissue Adult Child? 

I'm fairly certain MetalFlake gave you all the information he has on that Smile 2x LP in his post

The facsimile ticket was in the FIRST Honeys box, NOT the 2nd. 

You didn't add the Wilson EP to the list, so I ask again: Do you have the single boots of Pamela Jean/Kenny & Cadets? If not, I presume they're simply both on the one EP--Wilson 5167 A/B

 For the KPUK, you mention Green sleeves as rare originals. I've never seen these, do you have one/know someone that has one that can show it?  >>Vol VI - Radio KPUK presents The Borscht Boys EP (limited edition of 500 sleeves, only the unnumbered sleeves survived) red colored - original copies were light green and are ultra rare. << 

Is there anything else specific I can answer, That  I may have missed? 


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 19, 2015, 06:33:31 AM
I have copies of all of the ones I listed, so if you need photos just PM or email me.

2. I've only seen one "Made In U.S.A. boot - the one with the 3D monkey on the cover. Was unaware of 3 variations!

Yeah, apparently they ran out of monkeys, so those copies have a rectangle and the words "Carl and the Passions" where the monkey would have been.

Something I thought I never would have seen on the Smiley Board: "apparently they ran out of monkeys."   :lol

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 19, 2015, 06:46:20 AM
I have copies of all of the ones I listed, so if you need photos just PM or email me.

2. I've only seen one "Made In U.S.A. boot - the one with the 3D monkey on the cover. Was unaware of 3 variations!

Yeah, apparently they ran out of monkeys, so those copies have a rectangle and the words "Carl & the Passions" where the monkey would have been.

Something I thought I never would have seen on the Smiley Board: "apparently they ran out of monkeys."   :lol

Lee

Which of the California Collectors/Bitchen EPs should be added to this list?  all of them? 

This is the front and back of my Made In USA, bought secondhand.... 

    (http://i57.tinypic.com/21mradf.jpg)  (http://i60.tinypic.com/2eb8sgo.jpg)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: job on January 19, 2015, 07:59:23 AM
Nope...those are totally worthless.  In fact, give me the name and address of that record store so I can go down there and make sure they take that crap off the shelf.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: dogear on January 19, 2015, 10:07:49 AM
I would love to know more about The Beach Boys - Good Time.  Never heard of that one.
A handmade affair - probably one of the first (1978) - 200 made
Side one:
1.We got Love (studio)
2.Child Of Winter
3.Loop de Loop
4. Sound Of Free
5.Lady
6.Monkey's uncle
side two
1.The revolution
2.Number One
3.I do
4.She rides with me
5.Shyin' Away
6.Fallin' in Love
7.Why do fools fall in love (California Music)
8.Yes Sir that's my baby

White Label with just A and B rubberstamped on it and Nr.
Sleeve has xeroxed black and white pic of the BB and Brian


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 19, 2015, 10:12:04 AM
I have copies of all of the ones I listed, so if you need photos just PM or email me.

2. I've only seen one "Made In U.S.A. boot - the one with the 3D monkey on the cover. Was unaware of 3 variations!

Yeah, apparently they ran out of monkeys, so those copies have a rectangle and the words "Carl and the Passions" where the monkey would have been.

Something I thought I never would have seen on the Smiley Board: "apparently they ran out of monkeys."   :lol

Lee

It's been awhile since I've seen my Made In U.S.A (with the 3D monkey on the cover). But I don't remember it having a Manila cover. The one Bgas has above looks like a Manila cover, which is obviously a different cover. But the one you describe, Lee, has a Manila cover with the monkey on it. Maybe I'm wrong and I have one with a Manila colored cover, but I don't think so. I remember mine being a beige colored or off-white. I don't see one on the Internet to compare mine with, though. Maybe somebody has a picture of the one with the monkey? I got it when they first came out.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 19, 2015, 10:15:28 AM
I would love to know more about The Beach Boys - Good Time.  Never heard of that one.
A handmade affair - probably one of the first (1978) - 200 made
Side one:
1.We got Love (studio)
2.Child Of Winter
3.Loop de Loop
4. Sound Of Free
5.Lady
6.Monkey's uncle
side two
1.The revolution
2.Number One
3.I do
4.She rides with me
5.Shyin' Away
6.Fallin' in Love
7.Why do fools fall in love (California Music)
8.Yes Sir that's my baby

White Label with just A and B rubberstamped on it and Nr.
Sleeve has xeroxed black and pic of the BB and Brian

Have never seen/heard about that one! Where did it originate, do you know? Any numbers?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: dogear on January 19, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
I would love to know more about The Beach Boys - Good Time.  Never heard of that one.
A handmade affair - probably one of the first (1978) - 200 made
Side one:
1.We got Love (studio)
2.Child Of Winter
3.Loop de Loop
4. Sound Of Free
5.Lady
6.Monkey's uncle
side two
1.The revolution
2.Number One
3.I do
4.She rides with me
5.Shyin' Away
6.Fallin' in Love
7.Why do fools fall in love (California Music)
8.Yes Sir that's my baby

White Label with just A and B rubberstamped on it and Nr.
Sleeve has xeroxed black and pic of the BB and Brian

Have never seen/heard about that one! Where did it originate, do you know? Any numbers?

As far as I know it was made by some German fans; matrix numbers in the runout grooves have been erased, soundquality is quite poor, probably copied from vinyl sources or cassette tapesta


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 19, 2015, 06:51:31 PM
I would love to know more about The Beach Boys - Good Time.  Never heard of that one.
A handmade affair - probably one of the first (1978) - 200 made
Side one:
1.We got Love (studio)
2.Child Of Winter
3.Loop de Loop
4. Sound Of Free
5.Lady
6.Monkey's uncle
side two
1.The revolution
2.Number One
3.I do
4.She rides with me
5.Shyin' Away
6.Fallin' in Love
7.Why do fools fall in love (California Music)
8.Yes Sir that's my baby

White Label with just A and B rubberstamped on it and Nr.
Sleeve has xeroxed black and white pic of the BB and Brian

Klaas had some trouble getting  pics posted of the Good Time release, so here are pics of his copy,  # 47 of 200?: 

    (http://i58.tinypic.com/33eodqb.jpg)  (http://i57.tinypic.com/r8fdrt.jpg) 

    (http://i58.tinypic.com/10clph4.jpg)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 20, 2015, 12:44:51 AM
Klaas had some trouble getting  pics posted of the Good Time release, so here are pics of his copy,  # 47 of 200?: 

Yeah, tinypic.com didn't work on my iPad last evening... Thanks, Chris, for adding them here !


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: The Real Barnyard on January 20, 2015, 02:46:47 AM
I posted a SMiLE CD list a while ago. Hope this helps.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18380.msg479491.html#msg479491


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Charles LePage @ ComicList on January 20, 2015, 03:07:28 AM
Hi all. I found a couple of records at my local record store that I've never seen or heard of before, and I haven't been able to find any information about them online. I was hoping someone here may have some more info about them.

I have copies of The New Album and Adult Child vinyl bootlegs you found.  They were some of the first BB bootlegs I ever bought.  I thought it was intriguing that the narratives on the back of the covers were written to sound as if Eugene Landy wrote them.   Unless I'm thinking of something else.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 20, 2015, 03:28:29 AM
Problem solved - now you can ask Brian.  ;D


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 20, 2015, 07:29:58 AM
I posted a SMiLE CD list a while ago. Hope this helps.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18380.msg479491.html#msg479491

Thanks, Barnyard2. This thread has evolved into completing the Beach Boys vinyl list first. I could have sworn that there was a 2-vinyl set released in the 80's/90's, but I don't see it anywhere. Until someone comes along and affirms it, I'll leave it off. Avantodd posted a third Smile album on Brother in an earlier list. I want to see what that "third" vinyl album is that he's talking about.

Barnyard, I still have "our" list of Smile boots and we'll get there after completing this one.  :)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 20, 2015, 01:47:13 PM
So are we done here? Anybody have anything to add before SmileHolland puts it somewhere on the board for reference? Speak now or forever hold your piece!


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Tricycle Rider on January 20, 2015, 03:15:12 PM
So are we done here? Anybody have anything to add before SmileHolland puts it somewhere on the board for reference? Speak now or forever hold your piece!

You need to insert the 1991 2-LP SMiLE boot after the first two on Brother Records.
I bought these all in sequence as they came out, so I can confirm it goes there.
It was 2-LPs in a single sleeve, and the labels were blank white. It was unclear who the manufacturer was.

Here are the details:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18459.msg482690.html#msg482690

And here's a photo:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18459.msg484588.html#msg484588

 :)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 20, 2015, 03:24:34 PM
So are we done here? Anybody have anything to add before SmileHolland puts it somewhere on the board for reference? Speak now or forever hold your piece!

You need to insert the 1991 2-LP SMiLE boot after the first two on Brother Records.
I bought these all in sequence as they came out, so I can confirm it goes there.
It was 2-LPs in a single sleeve, and the labels were blank white. It was unclear who the manufacturer was.


And that's EXACTLY where I had a provision for it on the list last night before I took it down because I couldn't substantiate it. I KNEW I've seen it before - I thought I had it but then thought I dreamed it so I wasn't sure. Now you have it and I have confirmation! Thanks, TR! 




Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Tricycle Rider on January 20, 2015, 03:38:15 PM
Anything for you Mikie!  ;D


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 20, 2015, 07:25:40 PM

So are we done here? Anybody have anything to add before SmileHolland puts it somewhere on the board for reference? Speak now or forever hold your piece!

You need to insert the 1991 2-LP SMiLE boot after the first two on Brother Records.
I bought these all in sequence as they came out, so I can confirm it goes there.
It was 2-LPs in a single sleeve, and the labels were blank white. It was unclear who the manufacturer was.


And that's EXACTLY where I had a provision for it on the list last night before I took it down because I couldn't substantiate it. I KNEW I've seen it before - I thought I had it but then thought I dreamed it so I wasn't sure. Now you have it and I have confirmation! Thanks, TR! 
 

 SO, I guess I was dreaming when Metal Flake Paint confirmed the 2 LP Smile Set way back on page 2/ January 18th??   

 
Any updates to the vinyl boot list on the previous page would be appreciated. There's a 2-album Smile set that came out that I can't find the number or label information to as I don't have it at my disposal right now.  Pretty sure I remember it as a 2-disk set placed in one sleeve and it came out before the 3-disk Vigotone set.

Mikie, I might have the 2 LP Smile set you're referring to, purchased in 1990. Not much information available apart from Stereo/Mono on the spine of the cover and each LP side has SMILE-A, SMILE-B, SMILE-C, and SMILE-D etched into the runout grooves. Included is a yellow 4 page sheet of "The Smile Music" by Domenic Priore.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 20, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Got anything worthwhile to add there Bigass, or are you just here to clutter up the thread with smart-assed remarks? MFP wasn't sure if he had the set, and he said there isn't much info available other than what's in the run-out grooves. I was looking for possible label or Mfg info, and assumed it would be forthcoming from he or someone else, and TR then confirmed its existence.

I see you don't have anything more to add to the list other than the additions from Lee and SH that I put in a couple of days ago, Bgas.  Lee and Smile-Holland sure have outstanding collections, don't they? I'll be looking for their help along with Metal Flake Paint and others on my upcoming CD boot list.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 20, 2015, 09:05:03 PM
Mikie, I can confirm with certainty that I own this 2 LP set. Interestingly though, I bought mine in 1990 as I still have the original Goldmine June 1990 edition that featured the listing for it, asterisked by me, plus the IMO (International Money Order) I sent as payment dated August of the same year ;D Unlike Tricycle Rider's copy though, my LPs feature black and white blank labels (SMILE A,B and SMILE C,D LPs respectively).


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 20, 2015, 09:15:01 PM
Got anything worthwhile to add there Bigass, or are you just here to clutter up the thread with smart-assed remarks? MFP wasn't sure if he had the set, and he said there isn't much info available other than what's in the run-out grooves. I was looking for possible label or Mfg info, and assumed it would be forthcoming from he or someone else, and TR then confirmed its existence.

I see you don't have anything more to add to the list other than the additions from Lee and SH that I put in a couple of days ago, Bgas.  Lee and Smile-Holland sure have outstanding collections, don't they? I'll be looking for their help along with Metal Flake Paint and others on my upcoming CD boot list.

 This should really teach me to try and help in your quests, eh? Maybe you need to learn to  preafrood your own lists...


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 20, 2015, 09:23:45 PM
Maybe you need to learn to  preafrood your own lists...

I already do, Bgas. Nobody is helping me proof read for errors/corrections. Just adding stuff to the list is all I need so it's as comprehensive as possible. A few things are not verifiable, so I rely on the honor system that they truly exist. 


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 20, 2015, 10:40:07 PM
Mikie, my copy of the 3LP SMiLE (Vigotone ST-9002) comes with a blue, green, and yellow LP.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 21, 2015, 01:14:52 AM
Got anything worthwhile to add there Bigass, or are you just here to clutter up the thread with smart-assed remarks? MFP wasn't sure if he had the set, and he said there isn't much info available other than what's in the run-out grooves. I was looking for possible label or Mfg info, and assumed it would be forthcoming from he or someone else, and TR then confirmed its existence.

I see you don't have anything more to add to the list other than the additions from Lee and SH that I put in a couple of days ago, Bgas.  Lee and Smile-Holland sure have outstanding collections, don't they? I'll be looking for their help along with Metal Flake Paint and others on my upcoming CD boot list.

 This should really teach me to try and help in your quests, eh? Maybe you need to learn to  preafrood your own lists...

C'mon guys, be nice.  :)   You both have added several items for this list. And definitely more than I did. In fact, I didn't add any (although I do have several of them).


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 21, 2015, 01:29:19 AM
Mikie: one addition to the list, or rather, a variation.

Quote
SMiLE (Sea of Tunes LP001) 3 variations of colored vinyl

You mention the 3 coloured ones, but I have a fourth variation on 'normal' black vinyl.

And as we have added some 'sleeve-only' releases:  there are some more of these, although most of them are from more recent date, either mock-ups (Surfin', Little Saint Nick) or reproductions (Barbara Ann). But they were printed in larger quantities I think (no clue how much) as I see these pop on Ebay from time to time.
http://www.beachboys45.nl/USA-Regular-Bootleg%20releases.htm

Worth adding or not?



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: The Real Barnyard on January 21, 2015, 01:48:00 AM
I posted a SMiLE CD list a while ago. Hope this helps.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18380.msg479491.html#msg479491

Thanks, Barnyard2. This thread has evolved into completing the Beach Boys vinyl list first. I could have sworn that there was a 2-vinyl set released in the 80's/90's, but I don't see it anywhere. Until someone comes along and affirms it, I'll leave it off. Avantodd posted a third Smile album on Brother in an earlier list. I want to see what that "third" vinyl album is that he's talking about.

Barnyard, I still have "our" list of Smile boots and we'll get there after completing this one.  :)

Cool  :)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Cliff1000uk on January 21, 2015, 01:57:10 AM
Just to add my 2 cents for what it's worth-I also have the Smile 2LP white label edition. It seems to have been a test pressing for the coloured vinyls although I could be wrong.
The link below has a picture
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18459.75.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,18459.75.html)

Mine didn't come with the 4 page Dominic Priore pullout as I imagine it got lost over time.

Great thread though-it's always nice to see one of these turn up at a record shop out of the blue


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: The Real Barnyard on January 21, 2015, 02:08:45 AM
This is my attempt to a vinyls list. I'm not sure of all the years:

? ?? Live At Madison Square Garden, Nov. 1972 - Resurfin' USA (Midnite Records/Renaissance 2609) [Live 1971-11-13 Princeton]
? ?? Live At Madison Square Garden, Nov. 1972 (Wizardo #359) [Live 1971-11-13 Princeton]
? ?? Live At Madison Square Garden, Nov. 1972 (Cat n Dog Records #359) [Live 1971-11-13 Princeton]
1971 Fillmore East Final Concert (Matrix # EL 3304 A/B) [Live 1971-06-27 New York] [Your Song, Riot Going On]
1975 California Surf Music (Contraband Music LP BB 7010) [Live 1971-11-13 Princeton]
1976 Anaheim '76 (Wizardo WRMB 504) [Soundtrack of the TV Special]
1978 Good Time 1978 (White Label)
1982 California Easter Album (Penguin Egg Nine/Ten) [Live 1971-04-27 New York] [Searchin', Riot in Cell Block Nr. 9]
1983 Landlocked (Brother Records HNG 10)
1983 Made In U.S.A. (Brother Records BR-409)
1983 SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580)
1984 The New Album (Making Waves Ltd. Collectors Series #1)
1984 Adult Child (Making Waves Ltd. Collectors Series #2)
1984 Merry Christmas From The California Legends (Making Waves Ltd. Collectors Series #3)
1984 Califonia Feeling (Making Waves Ltd. Collectors Series #4)
1984 Beach Boys Meet The Grateful Dead (RAMA L-30158/9) [Live 1971-04-27 New York]
1984 Beach Boys Meet The Grateful Dead (RAMA BBGD1/2/3/4) [Live 1971-04-27 New York]
1985 SMiLE (Second Edition) (Brother records ST-2580)
1985 Adult Child (Brother records BW 1977)
1985 California Feeling (Brother records SUN-3329)
1986 Live At The CBS Convention (Brother Records BR 1977) [Live 1977-07-30 London]
1986 Surf's Down (Running Bear RB 0011)
1987 Bamboo (Bamboo Records ST 1444)
1987 Brian Loves You (Local Reduction Institute RT 4661)
1988 Surfer's Nightmare (Trade Mark Of Quality TMQ 72116) [Live 1979-05-14 New York]
1988 Rare Gems (Quiktype Records BB1)
1990 SMILE (2 LP's) (No Label)
1993 SMiLE (Vigotone ST-9002)
2003 SMiLE (Sea of Tunes LP001)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 21, 2015, 03:31:15 AM
Thanks, Barnyard2. This thread has evolved into completing the Beach Boys vinyl list first. I could have sworn that there was a 2-vinyl set released in the 80's/90's, but I don't see it anywhere. Until someone comes along and affirms it, I'll leave it off. Avantodd posted a third Smile album on Brother in an earlier list. I want to see what that "third" vinyl album is that he's talking about.

The third release is the 2LP version.  I referred to it as Brother because somewhere along the way I was led to believe it was the third release from the same people behind the first two.  I have no idea if that's accurate though.  But there is no label information on it.  Just the Capitol logo on the cover, nothing else.  Hope that helps.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 21, 2015, 04:34:50 AM
Thanks, Barnyard2. This thread has evolved into completing the Beach Boys vinyl list first. I could have sworn that there was a 2-vinyl set released in the 80's/90's, but I don't see it anywhere. Until someone comes along and affirms it, I'll leave it off. Avantodd posted a third Smile album on Brother in an earlier list. I want to see what that "third" vinyl album is that he's talking about.

The third release is the 2LP version.  I referred to it as Brother because somewhere along the way I was led to believe it was the third release from the same people behind the first two.  I have no idea if that's accurate though.  But there is no label information on it.  Just the Capitol logo on the cover, nothing else.  Hope that helps.

No matrix nembers/letters?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 21, 2015, 08:17:13 AM
No, I don't think so.  Just Side A/B scratched in the deadwax.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 21, 2015, 08:31:25 AM
Mikie, I can confirm with certainty that I own this 2 LP set. Interestingly though, I bought mine in 1990 as I still have the original Goldmine June 1990 edition that featured the listing for it, asterisked by me, plus the IMO (International Money Order) I sent as payment dated August of the same year ;D Unlike Tricycle Rider's copy though, my LPs feature black and white blank labels (SMILE A,B and SMILE C,D LPs respectively).

Sorry I didn't respond, as I thought it was already confirmed, but I also have the 2-LP SMiLE.  Mine is still sealed, so I can't comment on the labels.

EDIT: I recalled at one point having an open one in my "doubles" box, so I checked my collection database.  My notes say "blank white labels."

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 21, 2015, 11:02:20 AM
Just updated the list to include the 2-LP Smile and 3 LP Smile sets (different colored vinyl, labels). The later looks like a knock-off of the Vigotone 3-LP set. Also included Barnyard2's additions.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 21, 2015, 01:07:34 PM
Mikie, you may want to mention that the 1983 Smile LP included the James Watt paper insert.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 21, 2015, 01:59:32 PM
Mikie, you may want to mention that the 1983 Smile LP included the James Watt paper insert.

Well, if I include the insert detail for the first one, then I'll have to include the insert information for the second edition in 1985, by Nasty.....uh, Nancy Reagan.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 21, 2015, 02:05:53 PM
Mikie: as for the SOT LP001 issue. It now says there's 2 variations, but there are 4:
- red vinyl
- green vinyl
- blue vinyl
- black vinyl
O, and it's a simple 1-LP issue.

Apart from that; I think it's pretty much complete.

Let me know when this list is definite, and I'll make a separate topic on the Reference subforum (including a link to this discussion topic, in case of an update)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 21, 2015, 02:29:14 PM
Mikie: as for the SOT LP001 issue. It now says there's 2 variations, but there are 4:
- red vinyl
- green vinyl
- blue vinyl
- black vinyl
O, and it's a simple 1-LP issue.


Corrected. 1 LP, 4 color variations.

We'll give it a couple of days, SM. I'm still coming up with additions and details as we speak. 

Should we take a little poll concerning whether or not to include booted sleeves?  There aren't many......

Back in the 70's, I made photo copies of a few import sleeves for my collection. Does that count as booted sleeves?  ;D  I borrowed the originals from a collector in Sacramento, whom two of you just met a few months ago.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 21, 2015, 02:41:19 PM
We could. They're not the most important part of this series. But then again, the KPUK sleeve and SMiLE reproductions are essential additions to the list.

Ah, Sacramento... Has it really been more than a half a year ago I was there? Time sure flies when you're getting older...



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 21, 2015, 03:00:34 PM
The KPUK sleeve was a bunt instead of a grand slam. A collector's item in itself with an unreleased record. Also part of the BB Collector's Series.

You know, I think we could include the sleeves, and provide artwork detail so we we know they are bootlegs and how to to differentiate the booted one from a real one.

What do ya'all think?  Yay or Nay?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 21, 2015, 03:29:19 PM
Apologies if this has been asked before, but how was the approximate figure of 20 surviving Smile back slicks arrived at?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 21, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Apologies if this has been asked before, but how was the approximate figure of 20 surviving Smile back slicks arrived at?

AGD knows for sure. I think it may have something to do with the confiscation of product from the distributor after they were produced.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 21, 2015, 04:44:19 PM
OK, thanks.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 21, 2015, 10:53:26 PM
Beach Boys Bootlegs – Vinyl Albums, Singles, EP’s

Beach Boys Collector's Series:

Vol 1 - Bob & Sheri - "Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty" - (Safari 101) - Blue vinyl, white label, hardcover sleeve (limited edition of 1000, numbered). Also re-booted, black vinyl, pink label, white hardcover sleeve.      
Vol II - The Honeys Definite Album box set - LP, blue label, booklet, "Surf Bash" poster, button, facsimile "ticket" for the "Surf Bash" show. Some boxes contained BB Love You condom. (limited edition of 150, hand-numbered). Also re-booted with LP, black label, booklet w/He's A Doll" cover,"Surf Bash" poster.
Vol III - Hawthorne Hotshots (JO-103) double EP (limited edition of 500, hand-numbered). Also re-booted, double EP, white sleeve, all numbered "25".
Vol IV - SMiLE cover front slick - Uncropped, produced from the original separations (limited edition of 1000, not numbered).
Vol V - SMiLE cover back slick - Uncropped, (limited edition of 200, hand-numbered - possibly 20 survived). Also re-booted, cropped to 12" x 12", "63 of 200" typed in, embedded in the printing.  
Vol VI - Radio KPUK Presents The Borscht Boys - EP Sleeve only, Red w/Black print (limited edition of 500, hand-numbered). The proposed KPUK EP lineup was: We Got Love (studio), Toys for Tots commercial, Rock & Roll Music (hot mix), Pamela Jean, Auld Lang Syne (w/o Dennis)

Additional Vinyl Albums:

SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580) (1983) Insert w/James Watt.
SMiLE (Brother Records ST 2580) - Second Edition (1985) Insert w/Nancy Raygun.
SMiLE (Brother Records) 2 LP's - LP-1 (blank black label) "Smile A", "Smile B" etched in run-out grooves, LP-2 (blank white label), "Smile C", "Smile "D" etched in run-out grooves. 4-page insert about Smile.
SMiLE (Vigotone ST-9002) 3 LP's - 2 variations - 1. Red, Blue, Green colored vinyl, poster, session sheets (some copies have printing on yellow labels, others have blank white labels). 2. Blue, Green, Yellow colored vinyl, poster, session sheets.
SMiLE (Brother Records ST-9002) 3 LP's - Pink Marble, Purple Marble, Blue Marble colored vinyl, blank white labels, session sheets. Ltd. - Hand-numbered labels.
SMiLE (Sea Of Tunes LP001) (2003) - 180 gram vinyl, watermarked on back cover. Also re-booted, Black, Red, Blue, Green vinyl.
SMiLE (Surfin' Records LP001 #1971) - White label, red print. Grey Marble, possible more colors. Re-booted from Sea Of Tunes LP001.
SMiLE booklet - 12 page photo booklet originally intended for issue with aborted 'SMiLE' LP release. 9½" x 10" (1992). Limited Edition 1,000 copies.
Landlocked (Brother Records HNG-10)
Adult Child  (Brother Records BW-1977). Also re-booted with generic TMOQ cover and photocopy insert.
California Feeling (Brother Records SUN-3329)  
Made In USA (Brother Records BR-409) 3 variations – 1. Manilla-colored cover with brown writing and 3-D lenticular photo of a monkey on the cover. 2. Yellow cover with black writing; no monkey on the cover. 3. Orange cover with brown writing; no monkey on the cover.
Brian Loves You (Local Reduction Institute RT-4661)
Bamboo (Bamboo Records ST1444)
Rare Gems (Quicktype BB1) -2 LPs - Rarities previously circulating on collector's tapes.
California Surfin' Music (LP BB 7010)
Good Time  (NR-47) White Label - "A" & "B" rubber-stamped) - Limited edition of 200

Beach Boys Collector’s Series (Making Waves LTD. - Canada 1983)

Beach Boys New Album (Collector’s Series #1)  Black, Orange, and Gold vinyl.
Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2)   Black, Orange vinyl.
Beach Boys Merry Christmas From The California Legends (Collector’s Series #3) Black, Orange vinyl, Picture disc.
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4)  Black*, Orange vinyl , Picture disc. (*Title misspelled on the cover (“Califonia Feeling”), title on record label is spelt correctly).

Live Albums:

Beach Boys Meet the Grateful Dead - Live at Filmore East, 4/27/1971 - 2 LP's - (RAMA L-30158/9)
Beach Boys Meet the Grateful Dead - Live at Filmore East, 4/27/1971 - 2 LP's - (RAMA BBGD1/2/3/4)
California Easter Album - Live at Filmore East, 4/27/1971- 2 LP's - (Penguin Egg Nine/Ten)
Live at the Filmore East - (Old Glory Records, Series 300)
Beach Boys & Various Artists - Filmore East Final Concert, 6/27/71 – Matrix # EL 3304 A/B Sheet listing artists/songs w/photo drawing of the Filmore East.
California Surf Music - Live, 11/13/1971 Princeton U. (Contraband Music LP BB 7010)
Live At Madison Square Garden, November 1972 (Wizardo WRMB 359) (Actually Live at Princeton U., 11/13/1971) 2 variations - 1. Lime green labels with black print. 2. Bright red labels with silver print, "Wizardo Reissue Series"and "Rare Old Stuff" printed on labels.  Front cover has blue or black & white photocopy insert w/picture of Dennis standing in front of a microphone.
Live At Madison Square Garden, November 1972 (Cat 'n Dog Records #359) (Actually Live at Princeton U. 11/13/1971)
Live At Madison Square Garden, November 1972 - Resurfin' USA (Midnite Records/Renaissance 2609) (Actually Live at Princeton U. 11/13/1971)
Live Anaheim '76 - Soundtrack of "It's OK" NBC TV Special - (Wizardo Records WMRB 504) Blue labels with silver print, "Wizardo Records" and "Live Recordings" printed on labels. Front cover has green or black and white photocopy insert with picture of the group with Brian superimposed in the background.
Surf's Down - (Running Bear Records RB 0011) - Limited edition of 200.
Live at the CBS Convention, London, 7/30/77 (Brother BR 1977) - 2 LP's.  
Surfer's Nightmare - Live at Nassau Coliseum, New York, 5/14/79 - 2 LP's.

Singles/EP's:

Kenny & The Cadets - "Barbie/What Is A Young Girl Made Of" - (Randy Records 422)
Kenny & The Cadets - "Barbie/What Is A Young Girl Made Of/The Survivors - Pamela Jean/After The Game" (Wilson Records) EP w/picture sleeve
"Child Of Winter/Good Vibrations Live" - (Randy Records A-1/A-2) White label, 2 variations - 1. Black vinyl 2. Yellow vinyl.
California Collector's Series Volume 2 - Five Rare Tunes - Contains "Still I Dream Of It" (Bitchen Records BREP 002) EP w/picture sleeve. Limited edition of 200.
California Collector's Series Volume 3 - Beach Boys/Jan & Dean - Contains "Gonna Hustle You" & "Don't You Just Know It" (Bitchen Records BREP 003) EP w/picture sleeve. Limited edition of 250.
California Collector's Series Volume 5 - BB Live & Unreleased - (Bitchen Records BREP 005) EP w/picture sleeve. Limited edition of 250.
East Coast Girl/Little Miss Coupe (In Step BB-104) - (live versions of "California Girls" and "Little Deuce Coupe" w/picture sleeve)

Picture Sleeves

Surfin' - Candix 301 (fan-made sleeve) (90's)
Little Saint Nick - Capitol 5096 - (fan-made sleeve) (90s)
Barbara Ann - Capitol 5561 - (sleeve reproduction)
WIBN - Capitol 5706 - (sleeve reproduction, alternate artwork)
Heroes And Villains sleeve - BR 1001 - (fan-made sleeve)




Updated 1/27/15 9:15 PM PST.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 21, 2015, 11:36:38 PM
Mikie: as for the SOT LP001 issue. It now says there's 2 variations, but there are 4:
- red vinyl
- green vinyl
- blue vinyl
- black vinyl
O, and it's a simple 1-LP issue.


Corrected. 1 LP, 4 color variations.

I'll complicate this a bit further.  The colored and black pressings of LP001 circulating in the past five years or so are all re-boots.  They can be spotted by their generic looking Surfin Records label and bad printing quality of the sleeve.  The original Sea of Tunes pressing is black vinyl only, has nice Smile logo labels and a watermark picture of the band on the back of the sleeve.  The watermark didn't copy over to the re-boots but you can see residual marks from where it should be.

This is what the original SOT LP001 pressing looks like: Sea of Tunes version (http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-Smile-2003-Sea-of-Tunes-12-LP-180gms-Heavyweight-Vinyl-/161476804391?nma=true&si=QLJoXb5IyHLYm1zsyaHNabSx4yY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557).

This is the re-boot: Surfin Records version (http://imgur.com/a/WcIcL).


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 22, 2015, 12:27:42 AM
I'll complicate this a bit further.  The colored and black pressings of LP001 circulating in the past five years or so are all re-boots.  They can be spotted by their generic looking Surfin Records label and bad printing quality of the sleeve.  The original Sea of Tunes pressing is black vinyl only, has nice Smile logo labels and a watermark picture of the band on the back of the sleeve.  The watermark didn't copy over to the re-boots but you can see residual marks from where it should be.

This is what the original SOT LP001 pressing looks like: Sea of Tunes version (http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-Smile-2003-Sea-of-Tunes-12-LP-180gms-Heavyweight-Vinyl-/161476804391?nma=true&si=QLJoXb5IyHLYm1zsyaHNabSx4yY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557).

This is the re-boot: Surfin Records version (http://imgur.com/a/WcIcL).

Thanks. So there are 5 variation ! One more to find...  :)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: The Real Barnyard on January 22, 2015, 02:24:06 AM
Some additions:

Beach Boys Adult Child (Collector’s Series #2) (Black, Orange Vinyl)
Beach Boys Merry Christmas From The California Legends (Collector’s Series #3) (Black, Orange, Picture Vinyl)
Beach Boys California Feeling (Collector’s Series #4) (Black, Orange, Picture Vinyl)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 10:23:02 AM
AvanTodd:

You said the original SOT LP001 Smile is this one:

THE BEACH BOYS - Smile - 2003 Sea of Tunes 12” LP 180gms Heavyweight Vinyl

Then the description on the back cover of the same album is:

"Available here is a 12" LP by The Beach Boys - Smile. Pressed in 180gms heavyweight vinyl, it was issued by Sea of Tunes in 1997 and has the catalogue number LP001. Produced for the UK and European markets, the centre label indicates manufacture in the EU".

So this 2003 issued copy on EBAY can't be the same as the original copy issued in 1997.  Then where/what is the original 1997 SOT copy? Was the original SOT LP001 180 gram vinyl? Don't think it would be but I'm not 100% sure.

And you're saying all colored (and black) vinyl copies are knock-off's of the original (1997) copy?  Maybe the 1997 version is the CD version and this 2003 is the first time on vinyl, then the rest are knock-offs?  Problem is, Sea Of Tunes (SOT) didn't issue the first CD Smile issues Vol, 16/17 until 1999/2000.

Let's clarify with a picture of the original 1997 vinyl version of Sea Of Tunes LP001, OK?   Sorry if I seem confused.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 22, 2015, 10:51:03 AM
Oops -- a couple more additions:

Bob & Sheri - Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty - Safari 101 - black vinyl with pink labels.  This was a separate pressing from the Beach Boys Collector's Series blue vinyl pressing.  I forgot I had that one...

Also this one, althought the Brian Wilson connection is a bit more esoteric:

Blossoms/Crystals - Things are Changing / Please Be My Boyfriend - EEOC T4LM 8172-1 (with sleeve).  Japanese release from 1990.  The A-side is a reproduction of the rare Phil Spector-involved Equal Opportunity public service advertisement that uses the aborted Spector instrumental take of "Don't Hurt My Little Sister" as the music bed.  The original had "Things Are Changing" on both sides, and ran at 33 1/3 RPM, whereas the bootleg has an unreleased Crystals track on the B-side, and runs at 45 RPM.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 11:14:48 AM

Bob & Sheri - Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty - Safari 101 - black vinyl with pink labels.  This was a separate pressing from the Beach Boys Collector's Series blue vinyl pressing.  I forgot I had that one...

The original boot (from 1980) was of course pressed on blue vinyl with a blue die-cut sleeve, limited edition 1,000 copies.

To clarify - The boot of the boot has a white die-cut sleeve and is pressed on black vinyl with a pink label.  Issat what you have, Lee?




Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 22, 2015, 11:32:10 AM
EDIT: My black vinyl / pink label came with just a generic paper sleeve.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 11:50:04 AM
EDIT: My black vinyl / pink label came with just a generic paper sleeve.

Nothing printed on your white sleeve then? Some guy posted on the 45Cat web site: "My pressing has a white, die-cut title sleeve and is pressed in black vinyl with pink label".


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 12:14:16 PM
I have a question for all of you guys with colored vinyl copies (SMiLE, and the Beach Boys Collector's Series - Making Waves).

When you bought your Smile and Adult Child, New Album, California Feeling, and Christmas albums, did you already know what color the vinyl was inside the sleeve? I assumed that when you bought them that they were NOT sealed so you (and the seller) could tell which color vinyl was in the sleeve? Or did you just open the sealed copies and, surprise!, there were all these color variations? (less likely).

The reason I ask is that I only have in my collection and have only seen copies of the Making Waves BB Collector's Series on black vinyl. And I've only seen the 3 LP Vigotone set on multi-colored vinyl. When you bought these albums you must have known the vinyl color of each one before buying it, right? And if they came sealed, either it was advertized with a sticker affixed outside the sleeve by the guys who actually pressed them or by the distributor/record dealer after he opened them and determined the color of the record first. 

Do you think the colored vinyl copies of the Making Waves series are originals or knock-offs? Do they have the exact same sleeves (covers) on them?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 22, 2015, 12:28:14 PM
There's another boot on Ebay at the moment; Famous US Marches and No Rock and Roll   Old Glory 300 series   Plain white sleeve
Maybe it's the same tracks as  the Live at the Fillmore East I posted about earlier in this thread? 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-Famous-U-S-Marches-LP-Vinyl-NM-Old-Glory-rare-bootleg-W-170-/191302884956     


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 22, 2015, 12:44:49 PM
I have a question for all of you guys with colored vinyl copies (SMiLE, and the Beach Boys Collector's Series - Making Waves).

When you bought your Smile and Adult Child, New Album, California Feeling, and Christmas albums, did you already know what color the vinyl was inside the sleeve? I assumed that when you bought them that they were NOT sealed so you (and the seller) could tell which color vinyl was in the sleeve? Or did you just open the sealed copies and, surprise!, there were all these color variations? (less likely).

The reason I ask is that I only have in my collection and have only seen copies of the Making Waves BB Collector's Series on black vinyl. And I've only seen the 3 LP Vigotone set on multi-colored vinyl. When you bought these albums you must have known the vinyl color of each one before buying it, right? And if they came sealed, either it was advertized with a sticker affixed outside the sleeve by the guys who actually pressed them or by the distributor/record dealer after he opened them and determined the color of the record first. 

Do you think the colored vinyl copies of the Making Waves series are originals or knock-offs? Do they have the exact same sleeves (covers) on them?

Well, tbh it's thanks to this topic that I found about the vinyl colour variations of SMiLE and the collectors series...


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 12:54:04 PM
"There's another boot on Ebay at the moment; Famous US Marches and No Rock and Roll   Old Glory 300 series   Plain white sleeve
Maybe it's the same tracks as  the Live at the Fillmore East I posted about earlier in this thread?"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEACH-BOYS-Famous-U-S-Marches-LP-Vinyl-NM-Old-Glory-rare-bootleg-W-170-/191302884956  

Bet it's the same one:

Famous U.S. Marches and No Rock and Roll
The Beach Boys
Old Glory Records, 300 Series

Side One
 1. Good Vibrations
 2. Don't Go Near the Water
 3. Darlin'
 4. Wouldn't It Be Nice
 5. Long Promised Road
 6. Student Demonstration Time (partial track)
 Side Two
 1. Disney Girls (1957)
 2. Take a Load Off Your Feet
 3. Sloop John B.
 4. Surfin' U.S.A.
 5. It's About Time (intro only)

Sounds like the same tracks as MSG and Re-Surfin' USA (Princeton).


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 22, 2015, 01:16:00 PM
I have a question for all of you guys with colored vinyl copies (SMiLE, and the Beach Boys Collector's Series - Making Waves).

When you bought your Smile and Adult Child, New Album, California Feeling, and Christmas albums, did you already know what color the vinyl was inside the sleeve? I assumed that when you bought them that they were NOT sealed so you (and the seller) could tell which color vinyl was in the sleeve? Or did you just open the sealed copies and, surprise!, there were all these color variations? (less likely).

The reason I ask is that I only have in my collection and have only seen copies of the Making Waves BB Collector's Series on black vinyl. And I've only seen the 3 LP Vigotone set on multi-colored vinyl. When you bought these albums you must have known the vinyl color of each one before buying it, right? And if they came sealed, either it was advertized with a sticker affixed outside the sleeve by the guys who actually pressed them or by the distributor/record dealer after he opened them and determined the color of the record first.  

Do you think the colored vinyl copies of the Making Waves series are originals or knock-offs? Do they have the exact same sleeves (covers) on them?

I knew that my copy of The New Album was on orange vinyl as that is how it was described and shown on the eBay listing. Although the 3 LP Smile set was advertised as "3-color vinyl" I didn't know the specific vinyl colours until I brought it home and opened it.

Comparing the black and orange versions of The New Album, they are identical (the vinyl colour excepted).


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 22, 2015, 01:29:05 PM
AvanTodd:

You said the original SOT LP001 Smile is this one:

THE BEACH BOYS - Smile - 2003 Sea of Tunes 12” LP 180gms Heavyweight Vinyl

Then the description on the back cover of the same album is:

"Available here is a 12" LP by The Beach Boys - Smile. Pressed in 180gms heavyweight vinyl, it was issued by Sea of Tunes in 1997 and has the catalogue number LP001. Produced for the UK and European markets, the centre label indicates manufacture in the EU".

So this 2003 issued copy on EBAY can't be the same as the original copy issued in 1997.  Then where/what is the original 1997 SOT copy? Was the original SOT LP001 180 gram vinyl? Don't think it would be but I'm not 100% sure.

And you're saying all colored (and black) vinyl copies are knock-off's of the original (1997) copy?  Maybe the 1997 version is the CD version and this 2003 is the first time on vinyl, then the rest are knock-offs?  Problem is, Sea Of Tunes (SOT) didn't issue the first CD Smile issues Vol, 16/17 until 1999/2000.

Let's clarify with a picture of the original 1997 vinyl version of Sea Of Tunes LP001, OK?   Sorry if I seem confused.



That record is the original SOT vinyl.  As to the different dates, I have no idea.  I'm not the seller and I don't know where he got his info.  If I had to guess, I'd say the 2003 date is correct.  If it was issued earlier than that, it wasn't by much.  I do not believe it existed in 1997.

All of the colored vinyl pressings are definitely knockoffs.  To answer your other question, when the colored LP001 started showing up they were always advertised by the color of the record.  You would know if you were getting green or red or whatever.  I don't believe any of them were shipped sealed from the factory.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 22, 2015, 01:33:27 PM
Over on Discogs(I think someone posted about these ?) there's a seller with the 3 LP that is listed On Vigotone with this description, that seems to vary from the list:  
>>VERY RARE 3 X VINYL LP WITH INSERT + VERY RARE POSTER. VINYL IS IN PINK + PURPLE + BLUEY GREEN VINYL - LABEL IS WHITE WITH SIDE NUMBERS IN BLACK INK. THE SLEEVE HAS CAT # ST 9002 ON SPINE BUT T 9002 ON REAR. <<  Seller is asking 500 pounds...

and three other sellers listing Brother 9002 with the red,blue and green vinyls, at varying prices, so perhaps it's hard to distinguish Brother from Vigatone releases?  

As to the Smile back cover, the 20 existing seems a bit hard to believe as it would seem a lot more than that would have been sold. I checked and mine is numbered 81


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: John Manning on January 22, 2015, 03:12:44 PM
JUst had a  quick look at a couple of my Smile boots…

My triple LP has red, blue and green LPs in a single card sleeve, no Vigotone ID at all.  The red and blue discs have blank white labels; the third (green) disc has a yellow Brother labels. Disc five is Bag (or box) of tricks; side six is Brian's Smile era party. Came with a foldout poster of the over art and photo-copied sessions sheets.

My SOT LP001 is black vinyl with the rear sleev "watermark" and the Smiley label -  so at least I know it's the first SOT issue!   That LP, btw, was sold at some branches of HMV in the UK.  I recall seeing it in the Glasgow branch which, I think, was at the junction of Sauchiehall St and Buchanan St.  Remember being amused that either they'd been hoodwinked into stocking it, or one of their buyers was a massive fan and couldn't resist.  HMV, bear in mind, was once upon a time the pre-eminent record chain in the UK.  Actually it maybe still is, given the fact that there're hardly any chains left…

I have other Smile vinyls but time's against me right now.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 03:22:08 PM
AvanTodd:

You said the original SOT LP001 Smile is this one:

THE BEACH BOYS - Smile - 2003 Sea of Tunes 12” LP 180gms Heavyweight Vinyl

Then the description on the back cover of the same album is:

"Available here is a 12" LP by The Beach Boys - Smile. Pressed in 180gms heavyweight vinyl, it was issued by Sea of Tunes in 1997 and has the catalogue number LP001. Produced for the UK and European markets, the centre label indicates manufacture in the EU".

So this 2003 issued copy on EBAY can't be the same as the original copy issued in 1997.  Then where/what is the original 1997 SOT copy? Was the original SOT LP001 180 gram vinyl? Don't think it would be but I'm not 100% sure.

And you're saying all colored (and black) vinyl copies are knock-off's of the original (1997) copy?  Maybe the 1997 version is the CD version and this 2003 is the first time on vinyl, then the rest are knock-offs?  Problem is, Sea Of Tunes (SOT) didn't issue the first CD Smile issues Vol, 16/17 until 1999/2000.

Let's clarify with a picture of the original 1997 vinyl version of Sea Of Tunes LP001, OK?   Sorry if I seem confused.



That record is the original SOT vinyl.  As to the different dates, I have no idea.  I'm not the seller and I don't know where he got his info.  If I had to guess, I'd say the 2003 date is correct.  If it was issued earlier than that, it wasn't by much.  I do not believe it existed in 1997.

All of the colored vinyl pressings are definitely knockoffs.  To answer your other question, when the colored LP001 started showing up they were always advertised by the color of the record.  You would know if you were getting green or red or whatever.  I don't believe any of them were shipped sealed from the factory.

No, the SOT Smile on vinyl didn't exist in 1997. SMiLE (SOT Unsurpassed Masters Vol.16) on CD with the exact same track listing wasn't 'released' until 1999. So that 1997 date printed on the back cover is erroneous. The first vinyl release of Smile from SOT was the one you mentioned and it came out in 2003.  Thanks! Will update the Boot List accordingly.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 22, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
JUst had a  quick look at a couple of my Smile boots…

My triple LP has red, blue and green LPs in a single card sleeve, no Vigotone ID at all.  The red and blue discs have blank white labels; the third (green) disc has a yellow Brother labels. Disc five is Bag (or box) of tricks; side six is Brian's Smile era party. Came with a foldout poster of the over art and photo-copied sessions sheets.


Ahh, that made me pull mine out to check:  Mine is red, blue, green vinyls, all with yellow labels with track listings; the inclusions are the same. Brother Records on the labels and back cover; there's a sticker on the outerwrap bag that has: 

     FULL COLOR SMILE POSTER
  NEW IMPROVED SOUND QUALITY 
                3-COLOR VINYL
                7  Page  INSERT


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 03:38:46 PM
Over on Discogs(I think someone posted about these ?) there's a seller with the 3 LP that is listed On Vigotone with this description, that seems to vary from the list:  
>>VERY RARE 3 X VINYL LP WITH INSERT + VERY RARE POSTER. VINYL IS IN PINK + PURPLE + BLUEY GREEN VINYL - LABEL IS WHITE WITH SIDE NUMBERS IN BLACK INK. THE SLEEVE HAS CAT # ST 9002 ON SPINE BUT T 9002 ON REAR. <<  Seller is asking 500 pounds...

Already have that one covered, Bgas. Check the list.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 22, 2015, 03:44:28 PM
Over on Discogs(I think someone posted about these ?) there's a seller with the 3 LP that is listed On Vigotone with this description, that seems to vary from the list:  
>>VERY RARE 3 X VINYL LP WITH INSERT + VERY RARE POSTER. VINYL IS IN PINK + PURPLE + BLUEY GREEN VINYL - LABEL IS WHITE WITH SIDE NUMBERS IN BLACK INK. THE SLEEVE HAS CAT # ST 9002 ON SPINE BUT T 9002 ON REAR. <<  Seller is asking 500 pounds...

Already have that one covered, Bgas. Check the list.

Nahh, you don't. At least not to the details. Much like mine I just posted.  This seller claims to have  Vigatone LP colors with what you have as a Brother release.
Mine seems to be a Brother release, with what you have as Vigotone colors .
It seems to be all in the details, but they're not lining up, so some rethinking seems to be in order


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 04:05:18 PM
SMiLE (Brother Records ST-9002) 3 LP's - Pink Marble, Purple Marble, Blue Marble colored vinyl, blank white labels, session sheets. Ltd. - Hand-numbered labels.

I saw it 2-3 days ago. That's all I'm going to put up regarding that particular Smile set.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 04:17:49 PM
JUst had a  quick look at a couple of my Smile boots…

My triple LP has red, blue and green LPs in a single card sleeve, no Vigotone ID at all.  The red and blue discs have blank white labels; the third (green) disc has a yellow Brother labels. Disc five is Bag (or box) of tricks; side six is Brian's Smile era party. Came with a foldout poster of the over art and photo-copied sessions sheets.

John, read the latest list for the label variances. I read that one collector actually RETURNED his Smile set to Amoeba Records in S.F. because the labels on his records were not all yellow. He saw a couple of white labelled LP's in the sleeve and figured he'd gotten a 'defective' Smile set. Amoeba gave him his money back!


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 22, 2015, 06:06:25 PM
Over on Discogs(I think someone posted about these ?) there's a seller with the 3 LP that is listed On Vigotone with this description, that seems to vary from the list:  
>>VERY RARE 3 X VINYL LP WITH INSERT + VERY RARE POSTER. VINYL IS IN PINK + PURPLE + BLUEY GREEN VINYL - LABEL IS WHITE WITH SIDE NUMBERS IN BLACK INK. THE SLEEVE HAS CAT # ST 9002 ON SPINE BUT T 9002 ON REAR. <<  Seller is asking 500 pounds...

Already have that one covered, Bgas. Check the list.

Nahh, you don't. At least not to the details. Much like mine I just posted.  This seller claims to have  Vigatone LP colors with what you have as a Brother release.
Mine seems to be a Brother release, with what you have as Vigotone colors .
It seems to be all in the details, but they're not lining up, so some rethinking seems to be in order

It is Vigotone, it's just not marked as such on the package: http://www.vigotone.com/vigotone%20vinyl/st9002.htm


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 22, 2015, 06:51:37 PM
AvanTodd, just to be clear as crystal here - all colored vinyl of the Making Waves series are knock-offs of the original black vinyl copies or does that just pertain to the Smile LP's? How does the list look now?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 22, 2015, 07:07:38 PM
Over on Discogs(I think someone posted about these ?) there's a seller with the 3 LP that is listed On Vigotone with this description, that seems to vary from the list:  
>>VERY RARE 3 X VINYL LP WITH INSERT + VERY RARE POSTER. VINYL IS IN PINK + PURPLE + BLUEY GREEN VINYL - LABEL IS WHITE WITH SIDE NUMBERS IN BLACK INK. THE SLEEVE HAS CAT # ST 9002 ON SPINE BUT T 9002 ON REAR. <<  Seller is asking 500 pounds...

Already have that one covered, Bgas. Check the list.

Nahh, you don't. At least not to the details. Much like mine I just posted.  This seller claims to have  Vigatone LP colors with what you have as a Brother release.
Mine seems to be a Brother release, with what you have as Vigotone colors .
It seems to be all in the details, but they're not lining up, so some rethinking seems to be in order

It is Vigotone, it's just not marked as such on the package: http://www.vigotone.com/vigotone%20vinyl/st9002.htm

OK, thanxx. So mine is Vigatone; perhaps the seller is just not certain, or couldn't tell


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: AvanTodd on January 22, 2015, 09:27:49 PM
AvanTodd, just to be clear as crystal here - all colored vinyl of the Making Waves series are knock-offs of the original black vinyl copies or does that just pertain to the Smile LP's? How does the list look now?

Just Smile AFAIK.  I can't comment on the Making Waves records as I'm not familiar with them.  Smile boots have always been my specialty.

One more thing is there might have been a 2LP version of the Vigotone boot, without the green record.  I had a very strange copy that was the first two records only (red & blue with the yellow Brother labels).  No poster or other inserts.  The sleeve was just plain white with a loose cardboard print of the Smile front cover.  I have no idea of the origins but there were at least a few others like it out there.  Maybe they had pressed extras of those two records only for some reason and just dumped them on the market like that as an unfinished set?  Just speculation on my part.  And I don't know if this really qualifies as an alternate but I thought it was worth mentioning.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 23, 2015, 10:21:53 AM
OK, are we done?  Did I forget anything?  Does anybody have anything to correct or add to the list?  Being picky and finicky on the details is welcomed!


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 23, 2015, 12:57:26 PM
OK, are we done?  Did I forget anything?  Does anybody have anything to correct or add to the list?  Being picky and finicky on the details is welcomed!

Well, since you asked ;D

My copy of SMiLE (Brother Records) 2 LP's has a blank black label for SMILE A/B and a blank white label for SMILE C/D.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 23, 2015, 01:54:32 PM
OK, are we done?  Did I forget anything?  Does anybody have anything to correct or add to the list?  Being picky and finicky on the details is welcomed!

Well, since you asked ;D

My copy of SMiLE (Brother Records) 2 LP's has a blank black label for SMILE A/B and a blank white label for SMILE C/D.

Just like there's a mix of yellow and white labels on the other 3 LP Smile set.  Bad Quality Control.  But assuming they're all suppose to be that way, I'll change it accordingly.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 23, 2015, 02:31:17 PM
Mikie, just when you think you're done...

Honey's Collector's Series -- The faux ticket is actually in the original, not the reboot.

I think the brown vinyl Hawthorne Hotshots was just a joke on the sleeve, wasn't it?  Has anyone really seen one?

Never heard of a light green KPUK sleeve.  I always heard that the originals were red because the Hawthorne Hotshots EP was re-booted, and the bootleggers knew that black printing on red wouldn't reproduce.

(*** I would like Peter to chime in on the two above.)

SMiLE slick - I think you'll need to add a new entry, as I just realized that the one that's framed on my wall must be a re-boot.  It was already cut to size (12" X 12") when I received it, and it has "63 of 200" with the "63" typed in, but embedded in the printing (i.e. as if all of these reprints would be numbered "63.").  I received it in the package with the Beach Boys / Brian Wilson Rarities LP that I ordered from Australia.

You included Volume 5 of the California Collector's Series, which is all Beach Boys, but the following volumes also contain Beach Boys-related cuts:
Volume 2 - Contains "Still I Dream of It" by the Beach Boys (Brian)
Volume 3 - Contains "Gonna Hustle You" (Brian demo)

Here's a new one:
Various Artists - For Radio Use Only (COM 3) - 7" EP with white labels with typed font.  Contains a radio promo for a 1964 Beach Boys / Sam the Sham concert, along with ads for The Beatles' Candlestick Park concert, and the Hondells for Honda.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 23, 2015, 02:54:25 PM
Not to get into label variations, but the WRMB boot labels are so amusing that I thought I would describe mine:
WRMB 359 ("Madison Square Garden"), Copy #1: Lime green labels with black print, record label listed as "VON GROSSENSHUSH" and title "TEUFEL FOLK SONGS" / "Produced by Klaus v Schmidt"  Catalogue # 75001.  Matrix numbers MID-2609 A/B; Delta numbers 18541 and 18541-X.  Mine is missing the cover.
WRMB 359, Copy #2: Bright red label with silver print, record label listed as "WIZARDO REISSUE SERIES" and title "RARE OLD STUFF".  Same matrix and delta numbers as above.  Cover has a blue photocopy insert with a picture of Dennis standing in front of a mic.
WRMB 504 (Anaheim '76), Blue label with silver print, record label listed as "WIZARDO RECORDS" and title "LIVE RECORDINGS".   Matrix numbers WRMB-504-A/B.  Cover has a black and white photocopy insert with the 1970(?) picture of the group with Brian superimposed in the background.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 23, 2015, 03:56:20 PM
Mikie, just when you think you're done...

Honey's Collector's Series -- The faux ticket is actually in the original, not the reboot.

Fixed.


I think the brown vinyl Hawthorne Hotshots was just a joke on the sleeve, wasn't it?  Has anyone really seen one?

I'll inquire within. The person I really want to talk to is no longer with us.

Never heard of a light green KPUK sleeve.  I always heard that the originals were red because the Hawthorne Hotshots EP was reproduced, and black printing on red won't reproduce.

(*** I would like Peter to chime in on the two above.)

The light green color is in reference to the original Hot Shots sleeve. Somehow it made its way to the description of the KPUK sleeve!   Fixed.


SMiLE slick - I think you'll need to add a new entry, as I just realized that the one that's framed on my wall must be a re-boot.  It was already cut to size (12" X 12") when I received it, and it has "63 of 200" with the "63" typed in, but embedded in the printing (i.e. as if all of these reprints would be numbered "63.").  I received it in the package with the Beach Boys / Brian Wilson Rarities LP that I ordered from Australia.

So you're saying it might be a boot of a boot? OK.....


You included Volume 5 of the California Collector's Series, which is all Beach Boys, but the following volumes also contain Beach Boys-related cuts:
Volume 2 - Contains "Still I Dream of It" by the Beach Boys (Brian)
Volume 3 - Contains "Gonna Hustle You" (Brian demo)

I left those off on purpose - was thinking about adding Vol. 3 but was waiting for conjecture. You sure you want to add them?


Here's a new one:

Various Artists - For Radio Use Only (COM 3) - 7" EP with white labels with typed font.  Contains a radio promo for a 1964 Beach Boys / Sam the Sham concert, along with ads for The Beatles' Candlestick Park concert, and the Hondells for Honda.

Maybe we're reaching a little with this one?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 23, 2015, 04:36:24 PM
Yes, I guess SMiLE back sleeve would be a boot of a boot, or at best a second pressing.  Since you have already included the Hawthorne Hotshots boot of a boot, and since some other collectors may also have a "63 of 200" it needs to be included for reference.

I would definitely add the two California Collectors Series EPs since they contain proper BB tracks.

Your call on the EP with the radio ad.  I'm ok with leaving it off.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 23, 2015, 06:06:18 PM
Ah, 10-4.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2015, 11:57:32 AM
Back in the 70's, I ordered a copy of the SMiLE album booklet from I think a guy in Florida. Pretty sure it's a boot and not an original. He had a bunch of them. It took a long time to receive it. It's a numbered copy and I can't remember how many were suppose to be printed in this run. Anyway, it was very well done. I was looking for a copy on the internet last night and came across one that was printed in a lot of 1,000 back in 1992. Since I got mine back in the 70's, the 1992 version must be a re-boot of a boot. Does anybody have anymore info on this? I decided to put the 1992 version in the vinyl list, but would like to confirm the first run of these before including it in the list.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 24, 2015, 01:28:55 PM
I bought my numbered copy of the Smile booklet after seeing the advertisement in the original edition of LLVS back in 1989. The booklet is promoted as Beach Boys UK Collectors Series Volume 1, limited to 1000 copies.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 24, 2015, 01:57:33 PM
Didn't know about the 70ies one. And the 92 one doesn't ring a bell to me either.

I do have a more recent copy, I think. Un-numbered. And I think made in the UK (not sure). My guess is early 2000's. Also well done.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on January 24, 2015, 02:05:50 PM
As for the list. I'm thinking of these as well
- For Radio Station use only - COM 3
- Barbara Ann (5561: sleeve bootleg reproduction)
- WIBN (5706: sleeve bootleg reproduction)
- Candix 301 - Surfin' sleeve (90s)
- Capitol 5096 - Little Saint Nick sleeve (90s)
- BR 1001 - Heroes And Villains sleeve
- T556 - Surfin' Safari

Can be found on the Starline website: http://www.beachboys45.nl/USA-Regular-Bootleg%20releases.htm

A couple of these might be too much of a stretch. But especially the Surfin' and LSN sleeve's have been doing rounds since the 90ies...


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2015, 04:16:25 PM
I bought my numbered copy of the Smile booklet after seeing the advertisement in the original edition of LLVS back in 1989. The booklet is promoted as Beach Boys UK Collectors Series Volume 1, limited to 1000 copies.

So I'm looking at this one advertised as 1992 and there were some advertised (and I assume available) in 1989. Because of the year differences, I'm not sure this one (from the U.S.) is from the same run you're talking about from the Look, Listen, Vibrate, Smile advertisement.

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=558718

The one I have was sold by someone in the U.S. many years prior to that. One time I compared notes with a guy on one of the message board, because he'd bought his from the same guy (I think Florida) so I know there was at least one earlier run of these.



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: John Manning on January 24, 2015, 04:37:37 PM
I have a Smile booklet around… pretty sure I picked it up at a Stomp convention (in the UK), probaby in the '90s or early 2000s. Will dig it out and check for any identifiers. Also have a repro Smile slick with printers' crop marks, which I think I might also have picked up at Stomp. That's framed so harder to check for identifiers.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 24, 2015, 04:40:49 PM
I have a Smile booklet around… pretty sure I picked it up at a Stomp convention (in the UK), probaby in the '90s or early 2000s. Will dig it out and check for any identifiers. Also have a repro Smile slick with printers' crop marks, which I think I might also have picked up at Stomp. That's framed so harder to check for identifiers.

Just take the frame off, SOLVED!


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: LeeDempsey on January 24, 2015, 04:56:32 PM
I have several copies of the '70s SMiLE cover slick repro (the one with the Stereo markings at the top) that have the original color keys and crop marks.  But I have one copy that is even more uncropped -- it has TWO sets of crop marks and color keys -- one from the repro printer as well as the original slick's color key and crop marks.

I also have a Duophonic repro slick that I got from Frank Holmes, but that's not considered a bootleg.

Lee


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 24, 2015, 05:53:41 PM
Let's get a handle on the booklets. Of course an original one would be nice to have and talk about, but I'd like to know where the bootleg versions came from and what year if possible.  You guys want the boot sleeves up so I'll park them on the list.

Were there any more pieces to the "UK Collectors Series" other than the SMiLE booklet?


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: metal flake paint on January 24, 2015, 07:40:35 PM
I bought my numbered copy of the Smile booklet after seeing the advertisement in the original edition of LLVS back in 1989. The booklet is promoted as Beach Boys UK Collectors Series Volume 1, limited to 1000 copies.

So I'm looking at this one advertised as 1992 and there were some advertised (and I assume available) in 1989. Because of the year differences, I'm not sure this one (from the U.S.) is from the same run you're talking about from the Look, Listen, Vibrate, Smile advertisement.

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=558718

Definitely available in 1989 as that's when I bought mine, via bank transfer.

Difficult to tell if this one advertised is from the same run without knowing the origin of the 1992 publication year. The 4 digit numbering format correlates, though.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 27, 2015, 12:20:03 PM
OK, are we done here? Going once...........going twice.........


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on January 27, 2015, 02:39:19 PM
For starters, you should probably add all those single song  Polish postcards;
 plus:
 
 Vol 1 - Bob & Sheri - "Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty" - (Safari 101) - Blue vinyl, white label, die-cut cardboard sleeve change >>die-cut<< to >>Hard Cardboard<<  

Vol V - SMiLE cover back slick - Uncropped, (limited edition of 200, hand-numbered - possibly 20 survived). Where does  the 20 count derive

SMiLE (Surfin' Records LP001 1971) - White label, red print<<  Make it clear the record isn't really from 1971, as  SOT wasn't released until 2003; add gray marble vinyl as one color, possibly more?

SMiLE booklet - 12 page photo booklet originally intended for issue with aborted 'SMiLE' LP release. 9½" x 10" (1992). Limited Edition 1,000 copies. >> Define as  a boot of the original booklets, which WERE intended for the LP release, , plus list mid 70's booklets/define differences between 70s and 89/92<<

and....


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 27, 2015, 09:14:34 PM
For starters, you should probably add all those single song  Polish postcards;
 plus:
 
 Vol 1 - Bob & Sheri - "Surfer Moon/Humpty Dumpty" - (Safari 101) - Blue vinyl, white label, die-cut cardboard sleeve change >>die-cut<< to >>Hard Cardboard<<  

Let's go with "hardcover" for these types of sleeves.


Vol V - SMiLE cover back slick - Uncropped, (limited edition of 200, hand-numbered - possibly 20 survived). Where does  the 20 count derive

Metal Flake Paint asked the same question above. I provided a plausible answer and referred him to AGD.


SMiLE (Surfin' Records LP001 1971) - White label, red print<<  Make it clear the record isn't really from 1971, as  SOT wasn't released until 2003; add gray marble vinyl as one color, possibly more?  ]

Fixed.


SMiLE booklet - 12 page photo booklet originally intended for issue with aborted 'SMiLE' LP release. 9½" x 10" (1992). Limited Edition 1,000 copies. >> Define as  a boot of the original booklets, which WERE intended for the LP release, , plus list mid 70's booklets/define differences between 70s and 89/92<<

and....

I was soliciting answers here and came up empty. I know of at least 2 runs of the booklets - one that I have that I picked up in the late 70's (possibly from an ad in BBFUN). The other I read about on the internet which I'm assuming is from the same run as the one Metal Flake has. That's all I know about, and that's all that's going on the list until someone comes forward with more information on other booklet sources/dates.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Cliff1000uk on January 28, 2015, 03:08:58 AM
Mikie-if it helps, I took photos of my Smile SOT001 (with blue watermark on the back cover) and Smile 2LP white label which I can upload here if you want.
I took photos of the front and back covers, spine and the Smile A, B, C, D on the deadwax of the white label set.
If you're thinking of including photos for each set, let me know and I'll upload them
Cheers


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Mikie on January 28, 2015, 07:26:05 AM
Hi, Cliff! At this time I'm not looking for photos, but if you could just verify that everything is correct in the description of the record(s) in the list, that would be great! And if you'd still like to upload your pictures, of course that would help us too!

Next in the series that will be forthcoming: SMiLE boots on CD. After that: Beach Boys boots on CD.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on February 01, 2015, 02:48:34 PM
Some Cover/ Label pics on Ebay for some the listed LPs. 

BEACH BOYS California Surf Music ~ Resurfin' USA Vinyl Live MSG 72 LP BB 7010
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEACH-BOYS-California-Surf-Music-Resurfin-USA-Vinyl-Live-MSG-72-LP-BB-7010-/131418669590 

BEACH BOYS Live At Madison Square Garden Nov 1972 WIZARDO Vinyl LP
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEACH-BOYS-Live-At-Madison-Square-Garden-Nov-1972-WIZARDO-Vinyl-LP-/281585060769   

This seller on Ebay has listed quite a few of the boots for sale, including New Album( CS 1), Adult Child ( CS 2), Califonia Feeling ( CS 4),  Anaheim 76,  Rare Gems, Live at CBS Convention,  California Feeling, Brian Loves You, bamboo, and two different colored covers for Landlocked ( Blue and Brown)         http://tinyurl.com/nv4vyws

A NEW VARIATION!!!   the Landlocked Cover Color variations that is....



Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on February 09, 2015, 03:22:48 PM
Got some new listings from the list of an Australian collector; hoping he'll post more details, or send them to me so I can  : 

LP; 
Holland Tapes     (No Label Info )             2LP of Holland album  outtakes and radio advert
ROck & Roll Hall Of Fame       Rock  HOF 003          includes  Barbara Ann live at Hall of Fame induction New York 20/1/88
Adult Child         Making Waves Series        Yellow Vinyl

EP; 
CATP/Pet Sounds Ad      ( No Label Info )      OurTeam, LoopDeLoop, GamesTwoCanPlay,  I Just Got My Pay


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 10, 2015, 01:59:59 AM
Some Cover/ Label pics on Ebay for some the listed LPs. 

BEACH BOYS California Surf Music ~ Resurfin' USA Vinyl Live MSG 72 LP BB 7010
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEACH-BOYS-California-Surf-Music-Resurfin-USA-Vinyl-Live-MSG-72-LP-BB-7010-/131418669590 

BEACH BOYS Live At Madison Square Garden Nov 1972 WIZARDO Vinyl LP
  http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEACH-BOYS-Live-At-Madison-Square-Garden-Nov-1972-WIZARDO-Vinyl-LP-/281585060769   

Both those boots are the same show - Princeton 1971. 😊


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Tricycle Rider on February 10, 2015, 02:03:43 AM
Mikie-if it helps, I took photos of my Smile SOT001 (with blue watermark on the back cover) and Smile 2LP white label which I can upload here if you want.
I took photos of the front and back covers, spine and the Smile A, B, C, D on the deadwax of the white label set.
If you're thinking of including photos for each set, let me know and I'll upload them
Cheers

I'd like to see those photos Cliff!  :)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Cliff1000uk on February 10, 2015, 03:57:15 AM
Mikie-if it helps, I took photos of my Smile SOT001 (with blue watermark on the back cover) and Smile 2LP white label which I can upload here if you want.
I took photos of the front and back covers, spine and the Smile A, B, C, D on the deadwax of the white label set.
If you're thinking of including photos for each set, let me know and I'll upload them
Cheers

I'd like to see those photos Cliff!  :)

OK, no problems. Note to mods-I've tried to make these pictures as small as possible but if they are too large/eating up server space, feel free to delete and I'll post the URL's instead:
So...this is the 2LP Smile set. I do not have the insert mentioned:

(http://i57.tinypic.com/359wc21.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/jpeefn.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/nvxfa1.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/nmi6h4.jpg)
(http://i61.tinypic.com/yz77q.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/xbbrs4.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/29d7def.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/fvbnrs.jpg)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Cliff1000uk on February 10, 2015, 04:13:42 AM
Mikie-if it helps, I took photos of my Smile SOT001 (with blue watermark on the back cover) and Smile 2LP white label which I can upload here if you want.
I took photos of the front and back covers, spine and the Smile A, B, C, D on the deadwax of the white label set.
If you're thinking of including photos for each set, let me know and I'll upload them
Cheers

I'd like to see those photos Cliff!  :)

And here's the SOT Smile LP (I've tried to get the etching in the deadwax!)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2u53squ.jpg)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/29zsj9c.jpg)
(http://i57.tinypic.com/2irkjdc.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/mh97nq.jpg)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/mv68ue.jpg)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/2d8nbk2.jpg)
(http://i59.tinypic.com/2j679yd.jpg)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/eamfc1.jpg)


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: Flathead Jim on February 27, 2015, 10:01:37 PM
Got some new listings from the list of an Australian collector; hoping he'll post more details, or send them to me so I can  : 

LP; 
Holland Tapes     (No Label Info )             2LP of Holland album  outtakes and radio advert
ROck & Roll Hall Of Fame       Rock  HOF 003          includes  Barbara Ann live at Hall of Fame induction New York 20/1/88
Adult Child         Making Waves Series        Yellow Vinyl

EP; 
CATP/Pet Sounds Ad      ( No Label Info )      OurTeam, LoopDeLoop, GamesTwoCanPlay,  I Just Got My Pay


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: ♩♬☮ Billy C ♯♫♩☮ on February 27, 2015, 10:03:14 PM
Uhh...I think you forgot your text.


Title: Re: I need help identifying some Brian Wilson bootlegs I've found.
Post by: bgas on February 28, 2015, 03:05:52 PM
Uhh...I think you forgot your text.

He wrote me back and said this>> I joined the SmileySmile board and tried to post these photos, but it timed out twice, after about 5 minutes, even though my first login said I would be on for 60 minutes, and the second one said forever. Hopefully my attempt to send the photos to you will be more successful, so you can upload them.  I don't know what I am doing wrong. <<

So, here's his pics: 

CATP /PS Radio Ad 45:     (http://i61.tinypic.com/x0vg36.jpg) 

R&R HOF LP front and back:   (http://i60.tinypic.com/2yzbxic.jpg)   (http://i59.tinypic.com/29wliqx.jpg) 

Holland Tapes:     (http://i59.tinypic.com/15ywxdu.jpg)

Jim had this to say on the Adult Child:  >>The Adult Child - yellow vinyl is actually see-through golden yellow, so it may be common in the US. <<