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Title: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: rab2591 on October 14, 2014, 06:08:16 AM
https://soundcloud.com/emile-haynie/falling-apart-featuring-andrew-wyatt-and-brian-wilson (https://soundcloud.com/emile-haynie/falling-apart-featuring-andrew-wyatt-and-brian-wilson)

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Just posted on Brian's facebook - sounds amazing!

itunes link: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/falling-apart-single/id920579540 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/falling-apart-single/id920579540)


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on October 14, 2014, 07:04:57 AM
Brian sounds greeeat!

Isn't it crazy how much better he sounds now than he did, say, 20 years ago? (OCA, IJWMFTT, etc). He really sounds like his younger self here at times. Great stuff.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: rab2591 on October 14, 2014, 07:09:27 AM
Brian sounds greeeat!

Isn't it crazy how much better he sounds now than he did, say, 20 years ago? (OCA, IJWMFTT, etc). He really sounds like his younger self here at times. Great stuff.

Agreed! I'm looking forward to hearing what his vocals sound like on No Pier Pressure.

I wish he had more of a part in this track; that closing chorus is perfect with him singing it solo.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: pixletwin on October 14, 2014, 08:52:01 AM
Nice track. Reminds me a little bit of a song by Spiritualized called "Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space".


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Shady on October 14, 2014, 09:03:31 AM
The songs ok but it's great to hear how really good Brian sounds.

I wonder how this collab came about


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Jim Rockford on October 14, 2014, 09:05:55 AM
Things are looking good for the new album.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Wirestone on October 14, 2014, 11:36:10 AM
Impressive. Although I think a Mr. Pachelbel might have some words ...


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: pixletwin on October 14, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
Impressive. Although I think a Mr. Pachelbel might have some words ...

Agreed. (See my post above)  >:D


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Lowbacca on October 14, 2014, 12:18:54 PM
I love it I love it I love it.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Matt H on October 14, 2014, 12:29:58 PM
The songs ok but it's great to hear how really good Brian sounds.

I wonder how this collab came about

I looked up Emile Haynie and it looks like a collaboration with Lana Del Rey had occurred, so maybe that is the connection.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: CenturyDeprived on October 14, 2014, 12:33:53 PM
That was seriously really, really good.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Outtasight! on October 14, 2014, 12:50:40 PM
One listen and I'm hooked right in. Beautiful


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: The Dumb Angel on October 14, 2014, 01:13:00 PM
 :o

This is amazing!!!


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Mendota Heights on October 14, 2014, 01:19:34 PM
Impressive. Although I think a Mr. Pachelbel might have some words ...

Agreed. (See my post above)  >:D

I caught it too. :)

People's reaction when they heard this song:

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Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: alf wiedersehen on October 14, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
I dislike this song.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 14, 2014, 01:54:48 PM
It's not a good song. Way too busy. Brian does sound good, though he's buried under the arrangement.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Alex on October 14, 2014, 02:15:11 PM
Brian's wall of harmonies at the end sounds good, wish that could have been present through the entire song. The production has a little too much of an Imagine Dragons vibe for me.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 14, 2014, 03:17:05 PM
OK, granted my current hearing problems aren't exactly helping the cause but... seriously, I don't hear Brian at all.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: pixletwin on October 14, 2014, 03:20:25 PM
OK, granted my current hearing problems aren't exactly helping the cause but... seriously, I don't hear Brian at all.

He's mixed pretty far back and the only place I could hear him was at the end.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 14, 2014, 03:40:54 PM
A oncer. Sorry.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 14, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
So much reverb makes it hard to hear some of the other parts, but Brian is noticeable towards the end singing the main chorus, and then the harmonies at the end.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 14, 2014, 03:49:07 PM
Brian's part starts at about 3:57.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Wirestone on October 14, 2014, 03:53:03 PM
OK, granted my current hearing problems aren't exactly helping the cause but... seriously, I don't hear Brian at all.

Brian's part starts at about 3:57.

Just what I was going to post. I'm pretty sure he's in it earlier too, but just on harmonies.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Shady on October 14, 2014, 05:40:06 PM
The songs ok but it's great to hear how really good Brian sounds.

I wonder how this collab came about

I looked up Emile Haynie and it looks like a collaboration with Lana Del Rey had occurred, so maybe that is the connection.

Interesting music scene Brian's involved in right now  ;D


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on October 14, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
The songs ok but it's great to hear how really good Brian sounds.

I wonder how this collab came about

I looked up Emile Haynie and it looks like a collaboration with Lana Del Rey had occurred, so maybe that is the connection.

Interesting music scene Brian's involved in right now  ;D

Agreed! I'm very hyped about this upcoming album...
My daughter wants Brian do something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1DyQ8fVkFU


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: GhostyTMRS on October 14, 2014, 07:25:48 PM
About 4 years ago I turned my back on Indie Rock. I find most of it worthless derivative garbage trumpeted by scrawny 20-somethings with twee Grizzly Adams beards who worship the opinions of Pitchfork like boomers worshipped Rolling Stone in its hey day....

However.... I actually kind of like this song. The "chunka chunka" rhythm is a bit overused these days. but it works here.
I agree that Brian's "wall of Brians" (which I could listen to 24 hours a day) is too low in the mix.  If you've got Brian Wilson on a record, put him up front!


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on October 19, 2014, 10:09:40 PM
Not a good song; too dreamy for my taste. Still, I like that Brian collaborates with the artists of different genre than his. I don't know if he does it to gain hip cred, & frankly, don't care, but he sounds very cool in those wall-of-Brians. His flag is up!


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Outtasight! on October 20, 2014, 01:23:55 PM
Cant believe there is not a lot more appreciation for this song. Shades of Deserters Songs era Mercury Rev and BW guesting. A big winner in my opinion. Ah well.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: The Shift on November 14, 2014, 11:50:59 PM
Anyone know if there's a legitimate download of this available in Europe/UK? Thanks in advance…


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Turtle_13 on November 15, 2014, 03:27:44 AM
Yep, try a French site called Qubuz "www.qubuz.com". I mistakenly downloaded both the Peter Hollens track and Emile Haynie from Itunes before i came across this one. The quality is way better.

Really enjoy both tracks, great to see Brian making these guest appearances.

Thomas


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: The Shift on November 15, 2014, 03:34:30 PM
Many thanks for that! Never heard of the site before but am about to become acquainted…!


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: The Shift on November 15, 2014, 03:54:11 PM
Almost - it's www.qobuz.com - but not finding Falling Apart anywhere on the site. Any chance you could provide a direct link to a page featuring the track please? Thanks again in advance…


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Ron on November 15, 2014, 07:31:02 PM
I don't like how militant the rhythm is. 

Other than that, I'll just say I wish Brian would have started doing music like this 20 years ago. 

Not to bring up Michael Jackson again, but i'm going to bring up Michael Jackson again.  Michael (and Brian) should have done more guest vocal spots over the years.  Brian sounds great on this, and it's just enough that it lends his natural talent to the song in a natural way.

Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

Take a guy like this gentleman, who has a good idea for a song, wrote the lyrics, already has some of the music worked out, has the melody he stole from Pachelbel, and has the passion and desire to want to be everything Brian Wilson has became in his career. 

That THAT guy, and have Brian come in for a few hours and work on the song with him.  Put some of those beautiful Wilson vocals on that beautiful melody, have Brian come up with a few harmony lines, and you end up with a pretty damn good song.

The guy gets the thrill of a lifetime working with Brian, and Brian gets to

1. pass on some of his musical knowledge
2. make some fresh music he'll enjoy
3. do something current and relevant
4. keep his name popping up out there among the hipster crowd

This is a great move in the right direction for Brian and he fits on the song very well.  Sounds in fine form vocally too.  He has a little bit of that sweetness we first heard in... oh... "The Lonely Sea". 


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Turtle_13 on November 16, 2014, 12:25:50 AM
Type in "Emile Haynie" in the search box. Falling Apart should show up as the first result.

Apologies, yes, it should be "www.qobuz.com".


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: rab2591 on November 16, 2014, 05:53:47 AM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I wouldn't consider songs like "From There To Back Again", "Isn't It Time", and "Shelter" to be examples of sub-par songwriting.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on November 16, 2014, 06:32:28 AM
Type in "Emile Haynie" in the search box. Falling Apart should show up as the first result.

Apologies, yes, it should be "www.qobuz.com".
Thanks for the info & further clarification! Not for this song, as I have it, I'll be checking the site around as best as I can understand French.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Amy B. on November 16, 2014, 07:12:50 AM
I'm not sure the SONG under all the production is anything great, but I kind of like the overall sound. I can't tell if Brian is one of the people doing the "oohs" during the song. He definitely comes in and doubles the lead at about 3:57 and then does some harmonies during the fadeout. He sounds great.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Gerry on November 16, 2014, 08:21:37 AM
Couple of things; I don't think that Brian needs to "establish his hip-cred". I think these people are extremely lucky to have Brian involved. By the way, is "his flag is up" a sexual reference ?


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: donald on November 16, 2014, 06:38:59 PM
OK, granted my current hearing problems aren't exactly helping the cause but... seriously, I don't hear Brian at all.

I too have hearing problems Andrew.   I strained to hear BW.    Maybe for a bar or two.........


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Jim V. on November 16, 2014, 07:27:41 PM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: donald on November 16, 2014, 08:04:16 PM
Yep, try a French site called Qubuz "www.qubuz.com". I mistakenly downloaded both the Peter Hollens track and Emile Haynie from Itunes before i came across this one. The quality is way better.

Really enjoy both tracks, great to see Brian making these guest appearances.

Thomas

Guest appearances?   so this isn't on the new BW cd?    That is a relief........Really.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Wirestone on November 16, 2014, 09:23:43 PM
Yep, try a French site called Qubuz "www.qubuz.com". I mistakenly downloaded both the Peter Hollens track and Emile Haynie from Itunes before i came across this one. The quality is way better.

Really enjoy both tracks, great to see Brian making these guest appearances.

Thomas

Guest appearances?   so this isn't on the new BW cd?    That is a relief........Really.

The "Falling Apart" track isn't written or produced by Brian, so it seems unlikely to appear on the new record.

But "Our Special Love" is written and produced by Brian and Joe Thomas, and is mixed by Bob Clearmountain, who's also mixing NPP. So I don't know why anyone would assume it's not going to be on Brian's album.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: The Shift on November 16, 2014, 11:10:23 PM
Type in "Emile Haynie" in the search box. Falling Apart should show up as the first result.

Apologies, yes, it should be "www.qobuz.com".
Thanks for the info & further clarification! Not for this song, as I have it, I'll be checking the site around as best as I can understand French.

I suspect that this is not available in certain "territories"… no finding it on iTunes or Amazon or qobuz. "Country" auto-defaults to UK and cannot be changed. But thank you anyway for the info… :)


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Amy B. on November 17, 2014, 06:22:07 AM
I wonder what the process was here--maybe the minimal use of Brian was Brian's choice.
 Brian has contributed to a few recordings over the years, including those by Neil Diamond and Richard Ashcroft. In those cases, if I recall correctly, the producer/artist sent Brian a tape and told Brian to add what he saw fit. Brian then added 4-5 part harmonies on some parts of the songs. Perhaps that was the process here-- Brian just added a couple of sung lines and a few "woah-oh-ohs" and called it a day?


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on November 17, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.

Seriously?  Who doesn't have writer's block sometimes?  Well, probably people who set themselves up as critics and never write anything of value themselves.  Even in the case of GIOMH, there were some really solid compositions.  I wish much of it could be re-thought and re-mixed at some point.  Brian has clearly never lost his talent as a composer.  There is just too much evidence of truly great stuff, so where do these "sub-par" comments come from?  Also, when people comment about a certain work that was started 10 years ago as evidence that the talent is somehow lost, it's also important to remember that Brian's style has often been described as modular - different bits come together to form something great over time.  His work is notably complex. That process isn't at all unusual for a great artist in any genre.  What is this desperate need to trash Brian's talents on a Board full of people who supposedly love the music?  I'm sorry, but there's something very weird about it - even if you only go to Love's shows.  Take out the BW compositions, and that would be one very short show...


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Jim V. on November 17, 2014, 12:51:29 PM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.

Seriously?  Who doesn't have writer's block sometimes?  Well, probably people who set themselves up as critics and never write anything of value themselves.  Even in the case of GIOMH, there were some really solid compositions.  I wish much of it could be re-thought and re-mixed at some point.  Brian has clearly never lost his talent as a composer.  There is just too much evidence of truly great stuff, so where do these "sub-par" comments come from?  Also, when people comment about a certain work that was started 10 years ago as evidence that the talent is somehow lost, it's also important to remember that Brian's style has often been described as modular - different bits come together to form something great over time.  His work is notably complex. That process isn't at all unusual for a great artist in any genre.  What is this desperate need to trash Brian's talents on a Board full of people who supposedly love the music?  I'm sorry, but there's something very weird about it - even if you only go to Love's shows.  Take out the BW compositions, and that would be one very short show...

Spot on Debbie. But certain people on this board have certain narratives that they are trying to push and facts won't stop them. As I know you're into politics, I'm sure you can relate.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: rab2591 on November 17, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
What is this desperate need to trash Brian's talents on a Board full of people who supposedly love the music?

Ridiculous speculation and constant negativity - we'll be seeing more and more of it as we get closer to the release. Why is there a desperate need for this trashing? Because, as sweetdudejim says, there are certain narratives these people are trying to push. I'm all for people expressing their opinions; whether you disliked the latest songs of Brian, or dislike the new album artwork, this post isn't aimed at you. This post is aimed at the people who have held a constant hostility towards Brian's latest musical endeavor/solo career lately.

These people have specifically written that Brian doesn't have it in him to write a great song anymore. That he is selling out because of the duets with younger musicians. That he has no chance of getting on the radio anymore. (all of this is in the "current album thread" btw). And now, apparently his songwriting has been sub-par for quite a while (even though he wrote great new songs for an album that went to #3 on the charts just 2 years ago).

Again, I have nothing wrong with opinions, but to the people spewing this negativity: please stop making blanket statements and pointless trite conjectures.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: GhostyTMRS on November 17, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
The nature of this board is to nitpick everything to death before it actually happens or anyone hears it. I read page after page of grousing over the Made In California box set before it was ever released. Brian's getting the lion's share of it lately because he's got a new album on the way.
I mentioned in another post that there was tremendous support and excitement when we were getting updates about Brian in the studio with Al, Blondie, Ricky, etc. Once the young guest stars were announced, the response to this album shifted dramatically and and practically overnight. Evidently a lot of people on here really... REALLY dislike some of the up and coming singers/musicians who are doing these duets, or they dislike them simply because they don't know who they are and they've written anybody new off in an "all music sucks today" vibe.
Hey, I don't like much new music myself, but I'll give these guys and gals a chance. I'm just hoping they're not singing a lot of leads because I'm buying the album to hear Brian sing,  not them.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Turtle_13 on November 30, 2014, 04:08:10 AM
Just a shout out to John Manning iro his post above. I'm based in Ireland and didn't realise that the UK didn't have full access at the time to "www.qobuz.com".

I was browsing the Hoffman board this morning and saw it mentioned that this site is now available in the UK.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Ron on November 30, 2014, 10:26:53 AM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I wouldn't consider songs like "From There To Back Again", "Isn't It Time", and "Shelter" to be examples of sub-par songwriting.

I like From there to back again and Shelter, but Isn't it Time is god-awful lyrically.  Possibly the worst-written song he's ever actually gotten released as a single. 

If it was all as lyrically strong as Shelter or From There to Back Again though you're right, we'd have some good stuff. 


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Ron on November 30, 2014, 10:29:27 AM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.

Hey SweetJim, I cannot stand it, that you just state your opinion out loud either.  I don't agree with it.  so if you could, just censor yourself like you're asking me to do. 

Get over it.  If you dont' agree, then tell me why you don't agree, but don't tell those who have a different opinion to be silent. 


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Ron on November 30, 2014, 10:36:26 AM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.

Seriously?  Who doesn't have writer's block sometimes?  Well, probably people who set themselves up as critics and never write anything of value themselves.  Even in the case of GIOMH, there were some really solid compositions.  I wish much of it could be re-thought and re-mixed at some point.  Brian has clearly never lost his talent as a composer.  There is just too much evidence of truly great stuff, so where do these "sub-par" comments come from?  Also, when people comment about a certain work that was started 10 years ago as evidence that the talent is somehow lost, it's also important to remember that Brian's style has often been described as modular - different bits come together to form something great over time.  His work is notably complex. That process isn't at all unusual for a great artist in any genre.  What is this desperate need to trash Brian's talents on a Board full of people who supposedly love the music?  I'm sorry, but there's something very weird about it - even if you only go to Love's shows.  Take out the BW compositions, and that would be one very short show...

What the hell are you talking about?  I spent the whole post praising Brian and saying how I liked the song, and just stated that I think he's been writing sub-par.  He's had some good stuff here and there, and I don't know what you have to bring Mike Love into it for.  Mike Love's songwriting is FAR worse than Brian's at this point.

I'm talking about lyrics.  Not compositions.  Brian's lyrics are often GOD-AWFUL.  Not always, but he himself has said for 20 years he has writers block.  Why not have someone else help him write?  that's my point.    Since someone else wrote this song, I said "Good job!".

Since somebody mentioned it...

"Isn't It Time, We Danced, The Night Away!  How About Doin' It, Just Like Yester Day!"

Really?

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to just blindly appreciate stuff you honestly don't like.  His lyrics often suck.  I've never said his sense of composition is anything less than as great as it's ever been.  He's a genius, one of the greatest composers the world has ever seen. 


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on November 30, 2014, 11:26:13 AM
But...those lyrics weren't Brian's! 


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: rab2591 on November 30, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
Ron, if you were talking about lyrics, you should've said it specifically. Writing "Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile" is a statement that blankets the entirety of Brian's songwriting, not just lyrics.

"Isn't It Time" isn't solely a Brian Wilson song....Mike Love also has a writing credit on it. So blaming Brian for the lackluster lyrics isn't totally fair.

If you look at the writing credits for most of Brian's recent songs you can see he isn't solely writing them himself....he is getting help from people like Mike, or Bon Jovi, or Scott Bennett. And actually, between TLOS and TWGMTR, the only song that Brian is credited on by himself (besides 'Can't Wait Too Long') is 'Good Kind of Love' - which, in my opinion, is one of his best pop songs of his solo career.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: SMiLE Brian on November 30, 2014, 11:39:21 AM
I will respectfully disagree with Ron.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on November 30, 2014, 12:35:39 PM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block.   

I agree with your opinion, Ron, and, also, Brian's self-assessment. I think that is a major reason for Live At The Roxy, some of Imagination, Pet Sounds Live, Brian Wilson Presents Smile, Gettin' In Over My Head (the Sweet Insanity tracks), What I Really Want For Christmas, and In The Key Of Disney.

Also, Brian has transitioned from using lyricists (Love, Christian, Asher, Parks, Reiley, etc.) to working with collaborators. Actually, I believe that ultimately sealed Mike Love's fate. Brian now wants/needs more than lyricists.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: rab2591 on November 30, 2014, 01:04:10 PM
Well, it seems that Brian's writers block cleared up quite a bit since the C50....as according to the man himself, he was writing material for another Beach Boys album before the C50 ended.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Debbie Keil-Leavitt on November 30, 2014, 01:56:51 PM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.

Seriously?  Who doesn't have writer's block sometimes?  Well, probably people who set themselves up as critics and never write anything of value themselves.  Even in the case of GIOMH, there were some really solid compositions.  I wish much of it could be re-thought and re-mixed at some point.  Brian has clearly never lost his talent as a composer.  There is just too much evidence of truly great stuff, so where do these "sub-par" comments come from?  Also, when people comment about a certain work that was started 10 years ago as evidence that the talent is somehow lost, it's also important to remember that Brian's style has often been described as modular - different bits come together to form something great over time.  His work is notably complex. That process isn't at all unusual for a great artist in any genre.  What is this desperate need to trash Brian's talents on a Board full of people who supposedly love the music?  I'm sorry, but there's something very weird about it - even if you only go to Love's shows.  Take out the BW compositions, and that would be one very short show...

What the hell are you talking about?  I spent the whole post praising Brian and saying how I liked the song, and just stated that I think he's been writing sub-par.  He's had some good stuff here and there, and I don't know what you have to bring Mike Love into it for.  Mike Love's songwriting is FAR worse than Brian's at this point.

I'm talking about lyrics.  Not compositions.  Brian's lyrics are often GOD-AWFUL.  Not always, but he himself has said for 20 years he has writers block.  Why not have someone else help him write?  that's my point.    Since someone else wrote this song, I said "Good job!".

Since somebody mentioned it...

"Isn't It Time, We Danced, The Night Away!  How About Doin' It, Just Like Yester Day!"

Really?

Being a fan doesn't mean you have to just blindly appreciate stuff you honestly don't like.  His lyrics often suck.  I've never said his sense of composition is anything less than as great as it's ever been.  He's a genius, one of the greatest composers the world has ever seen. 

I didn't even remember this discussion from several weeks ago.  But now I am to understand that the quote that Brian's songwriting has been "sub-par" for "quite awhile" was about the lyrics, whether he wrote them or not?  Okay, then...I'm feeling a bit of vertigo coming on from all the spin...but if it makes you happy, great.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: The Shift on December 01, 2014, 06:02:17 AM
Just a shout out to John Manning iro his post above. I'm based in Ireland and didn't realise that the UK didn't have full access at the time to "www.qobuz.com".

I was browsing the Hoffman board this morning and saw it mentioned that this site is now available in the UK.


Many thanks for that … seems, sadly, that this track isn't available in the UK (or maybe it's just Yorkshire!) - it's not appearing under any search terms. Suppose it could be a browser issue Hough I doubt it.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 01, 2014, 10:57:40 AM
I liked it.  Glad Andrew said something after all the early gushing though 'cause up until near the end I was guessing as to what Brian was actually doing with it vocally.

I am of the opinion that Brian arranging and producing SOME other vocalists singing SOME of his songs is a GOOD idea.  Brian didn't sing all of the songs back in the day.  There are some tunes he's better suited to and some where a different voice can ADD to the over-all sound/presentation.

And as for his songwriting...[and arrangements...'cause that makes a huge difference too]...not unlike ALL of the greats...he has some triple, some double and some single A material.  And every now and then...something which isn't up to his career batting average sneaks through the gap for a base hit.  I don't care who it is...there are only SO many great songs that anyone is capable of writing.  For some the number is way higher but sooner or later...it's going to get harder to be consistently fan-freekin-tastic.


Title: Re: Falling Apart featuring Andrew Wyatt and Brian Wilson
Post by: Jim V. on December 01, 2014, 11:40:00 AM
Let's face it, Brian's songwriting has been a little sub-par for quite awhile, and he himself has often commented on how he has writers block. 

I have to say that I cannot stand it that you just state things like the above as though it's a fact. And rab2591 made the great point about how a bunch of the material on TWGMTR is primo Brian material. If you had said this in the GIOMH era then maybe we'd admit you were onto something.

So yeah, if you don't mind stop saying things for all of us, cuz most likely we don't agree with you.

Hey SweetJim, I cannot stand it, that you just state your opinion out loud either.  I don't agree with it.  so if you could, just censor yourself like you're asking me to do. 

Get over it.  If you dont' agree, then tell me why you don't agree, but don't tell those who have a different opinion to be silent. 

Hey Ronnie, dig this. I don't tell you to be silent. I told you just not to state your opinions for all of us, as fact.