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Title: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 10, 2014, 04:36:04 AM
I pulled this CD out tonight to give it a listen, and a flood of memories came back to me about the time it came out, how stunned I was at hearing SMiLE in this kind of fidelity after only having the 2 "Brother" records LPs and SMiLE - The Early Years CD (02-CD 3317). Anybody else have any memories of getting this? I'd love to hear them if you do.

(http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities/images/beachboys/smile25802cd.jpg)

(http://arkhonia.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/smile-japanese-cd.jpg)

(http://bigozine2.com/cdcvrs/images58/Disc05/BBsmileT2580Bk.jpg)

(http://images.45worlds.com/f/cd/the-beach-boys-smile-3-cd.jpg)

Smile (T 2580-2)

01. Good Vibrations
02. Holiday (Look) (Song For Children)
03. Vegetables
04. Child is Father to the Man
05. Wonderful (no lead vocal, cold ending, no fade)
06. Been Way Too Long (intro not found on any other SMiLE boot unless it was copied from here) (my favorite version of this track)
07. Barnyard ("With Me Tonight" slow harpsichord version. Fades out before lead vocal starts)
08. Cabinessence (backing track for verses with doyne, doyne background vocals. Full vocals for 1st "Iron Horse". No Grand Coulee Dam section.)
09. Our Prayer (with 1968 overdubs and laughing at the end)
10. Tones ("Holiday")
11. Barnyard ("H&V Cantina Fade" with a tiny bit of tape explosion at the beginning)
12. Heroes and Villains (7 minutes of H&V sections)
13. Do You Like Worms?
14. Wind Chimes
15. Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow (with H&V intro at the beginning)
16. George Fell Into His French Horn
17. Surf’s Up (backing track followed by Brian's 1966 solo studio version)
18. The Old Master Painter
19. You Are My Sunshine
20. Cool, Cool Water

Total playing Time: 61.44

This was the 1st time any SMiLE material appeared with sound quality this high. (not counting tapes that were being traded in small collectors circles) I believe it was sourced from Mark Linett's 1988 rough mixes compilation:

(http://arkhonia.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/smile-1988-cassette.jpg?w=500&h=311)

I took an ad out in 1989 in Goldmine magazine offering $200.00 to the first person who could put this in my hands, and I was contacted by Les Chan who told me where I could find it for considerably less. Talking to him on the phone was a delight. What a sweet person he was. (thanks Les, we all miss you)

I can't help but think if it wasn't for this CD we wouldn't have gotten 30+ minutes of SMiLE on the 1993 box set.

I wonder why the bootleggers didn't give us ALL of the tracks from Mark's 1988 compilation?
I find it especially odd that they gave us the H&V Cantina fade, but not the whole song. I'm thinking track 10 on side two must have been "He Gives Speeches"? I LOVE that intro to "Been Way Too Long". It's fun to see how Mark didn't know some of the titles yet, considering how well versed he is now after the 2011 SMiLE Sessions release.

Did anybody here get a copy of Mark's compilation on cassette before this CD came out? If so, was it complete?
Answer me in a PM if you don't want that info known.  :)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on October 10, 2014, 05:33:06 AM
I acquired this CD on release too… remember being utterly blown away by the H&V sections.

That CWTL intro, if I'm recalling the right version (pre-revisit) is one of those exquisities that make Wilson's work so essential as well as, frankly, endearing.

Will dig it out tonight for a revisit, thanks for the prompt!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Wrightfan on October 10, 2014, 07:47:38 AM
I was 4  :(


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: 37!ws on October 10, 2014, 08:21:30 AM
I was actually blown away at how BAD those bootlegs sounded. I was so used to the studio-quality sound and EQ on the Beatles' Unsurpassed Masters and Ultra Rare Trax CDs...these early Smile boots were an EQ nightmare. I think Heroes and Vibrations was the first really good-sounding Smile boot I ever heard.

(BTW, any BB attorneys/BRI staff lurking about...we KNOW you're there...but...mention of HEARING a bootleg should not be interpreted as necessarily POSSESSING such bootleg.)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 10, 2014, 08:55:55 AM
Tricycle Rider, isn't that the Japanese SMiLE that came out around 1990? Think I paid 30 or 40 bucks for that at the time. The Japanese T2580-2 CD has no indication of who released it. That's an excellent quality disc that was supposedly compiled by Linett when a legit release of SMiLE was considered in 1988. This contained the original versions of Wind Chimes and Vega-Tables, Brian’s solo demo of Surf’s Up, and 7 minutes of unreleased Heroes and Villains segments.

1978/’79 – The "Priess tape".
1983 – First SMiLE bootleg, vinyl.
1985 - Second SMiLE bootleg, vinyl.
1989 – First SMiLE bootleg, CD.
1989 – Mark Linett SMiLE mixes, CD
1990 – Smile - Japanese T-2580-2, CD.
1990 - Smiley Smile 2-fer (bonus tracks - Cantina!) Priore played the tape of Heroes a few years before at a Beach Boys fan convention in Oakland, California.
1993 – Good Vibrations box set (bonus tracks).
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 110/111 2-CD boot.
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 3 album set, multiple colored vinyl.
1995 – Dave Prokopy SMiLE 3 tape set.
1998 - SMiLE - Heroes and Vibrations.
1999 - Sea Of Tunes Vol. 15 - Good Vibrations Sessions 3-CD boot. First heard alternate Good Vibrations (Asher lyrics) in 1976.
1999 – Sea Of Tunes Vol. 16, 17. Best quality SMiLE tracks to date.
2000 - SMiLE - Millenium edition.
2001 – Archeology.
2001 - Project SMiLE.
2004 - Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE (including instrumental tracks not included on original release).
2004 - Secret SMiLE.
2004 - Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 1 & 2.
2005 - SMiLE – Purple Chick Reconstruction.

The ones on Sphinx are "Alive and Smiling" and "Good Vibrations: Smile".  "Alive and Smiling" is the one with live tracks. There's another old one too called "Smile - Bits and Pieces".

The Japanese 2580, Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters 16 & 17 (box set), and the Vigotone sets were the best quality sound wise, I believe.




Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 10, 2014, 08:57:15 AM
And yes, Les Chan was a good man. Like the other well-known fans/collectors that have passed away the past 10 years, gone way too soon.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 10, 2014, 10:01:13 AM
The Japanese T2580-2 CD has no indication of who released it. That's an excellent quality disc that was supposedly compiled by Linett when a legit release of SMiLE was considered in 1988.

Just to clarify, Mark didn't compile this boot. Rather, it was sourced from a copy of a tape he compiled for Capitol to illustrate what was potentially available. Said tape, I was reliably informed at the time, came about when someone working on Brian's first album kept asking for a copy, then passed it on to a UK DJ friend of his.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 10, 2014, 10:15:23 AM
I was actually blown away at how BAD those bootlegs sounded. I was so used to the studio-quality sound and EQ on the Beatles' Unsurpassed Masters and Ultra Rare Trax CDs...these early Smile boots were an EQ nightmare. I think Heroes and Vibrations was the first really good-sounding Smile boot I ever heard.

(BTW, any BB attorneys/BRI staff lurking about...we KNOW you're there...but...mention of HEARING a bootleg should not be interpreted as necessarily POSSESSING such bootleg.)

Whenever I want to hear bootlegs , I always run right over to Mikie's house, cuz he has the best collection of them I've ever seen!!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 10, 2014, 10:40:03 AM
I don't mind if you come over, Bgas. Just make sure you watch out for Guido the Doberman in the yard. He's very sensitive to strangers and gets pissed off easily, so if his long sharp teeth get embedded in one of your bones, I can't be libel. Thanks for your understanding.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 10, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
I don't mind if you come over, Bgas. Just make sure you watch out for Guido the Doberman in the yard. He's very sensitive to strangers and gets pissed off easily, so if his long sharp teeth get embedded in one of your bones, I can't be libel. Thanks for your understanding.

Guiido and I are pals. He always lets me in to borrow from your stuff, when ya'll aren't home


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 10, 2014, 10:51:48 AM
DAMN it!  I trained that dog not to let anyone in when I'm not home.  He knows that I'll make any intruders swim with the fishes after he finishes them off!



Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 10, 2014, 11:03:56 AM
DAMN it!  I trained that dog not to let anyone in when I'm not home.  He knows that I'll make any intruders swim with the fishes after he finishes them off!



If it's any consolation for you, I showed him my smile acetates to prove I wasn't just anyone 


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: 37!ws on October 10, 2014, 02:32:02 PM
1995 – Dave Prokopy SMiLE 3 tape set.

FWIW, his original tape set came out in 1993, if not before. And it was a 2-tape set before he expanded to three.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 10, 2014, 02:38:01 PM
I first found out about it in 1996 or '97, soon after I read about it on the PSML or Cabinessence board. Wonder whatever happened to Prokopy. Maybe the same thing as Mike Wheeler.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Custom Machine on October 10, 2014, 04:44:59 PM
I pulled this CD out tonight to give it a listen, and a flood of memories came back to me about the time it came out, how stunned I was at hearing SMiLE in this kind of fidelity after only having the 2 "Brother" records LPs and SMiLE - The Early Years CD (02-CD 3317). Anybody else have any memories of getting this? I'd love to hear them if you do.

Yeah, I've got this one.  Cool memories, purchased Feb. 1990, signed by BW five months later.

It's only one of two of the early Smile boots I kept (the other being the Second Smile Bootleg 1985 LP) after better sources became available, although I never had anywhere near the Smile boot collection that Mikie has listed above.

My first introduction to the unreleased Smile material was on cassette, the sound quality of which was definitely lacking due to multi generations of copying coupled with copying on less than stellar equipment, resulting in lots of hiss, loss of high frequencies, and worst of all, pronounced over modulation distortion on many tracks.

The second Smile LP in 1985 was a definite improvement over the first one from 1983, but this CD, although suffering from a fair amount of hiss, offered great sound quality for the time and contained some really cool tracks, although I was disappointed that Wonderful lacked Brian's lead vocal.  But, like Tricycle Rider says, the CD was an absolutely amazing listen.

For those who weren't around or weren't BB fans "back in the day", the appearance of boots like this was akin to finding a buried treasure chest of sonic delights.  And unlike the prevailing wisdom at some record companies, the appearance of bootlegs such as this only served to increase the desire of fans to purchase officially released record company versions of the Smile material.

(http://i60.tinypic.com/241nw4x.jpg)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Custom Machine on October 10, 2014, 04:48:08 PM
(Sorry, inadvertent duplicate post, pressing quote instead of modify, after I inadvertently uploaded the cover Charles Lloyd's Big Sur Tapestry, which I had just transferred to iTunes prior to getting rid of the LP, instead of the Smile boot cover.)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 10, 2014, 04:49:59 PM


Big Sur Tapestry from Charles Lloyd was a SMile boot?  No wonder I missed out on some of the best stuff....


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: drbeachboy on October 10, 2014, 04:55:13 PM
I first found out about it in 1996 or '97, soon after I read about it on the PSML or Cabinessence board. Wonder whatever happened to Prokopy. Maybe the same thing as Mike Wheeler.
Mikie, he pops up on Hoffman's board every now and then.  He's still around.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Custom Machine on October 10, 2014, 04:55:34 PM

Big Sur Tapestry from Charles Lloyd was a SMile boot?  No wonder I missed out on some of the best stuff....


Can't believe you don't know about this, bgas.  It's by far the rarest of the Smile boots!  Just make me a suitable offer, commensurate, of course, with it's extreme rarity, and it's yours!

(http://i60.tinypic.com/21obh95.jpg)

(And now I had to modify this post when I noticed that my spell checker had changed "bgas" to "bags".) 



Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 10, 2014, 10:42:17 PM
I acquired this CD on release too… remember being utterly blown away by the H&V sections.

That CWTL intro, if I'm recalling the right version (pre-revisit) is one of those exquisities that make Wilson's work so essential as well as, frankly, endearing.

Will dig it out tonight for a revisit, thanks for the prompt!

Me too. The H&V sections alone had me mesmerized. Of course, my mind (once I got over the shock) immediately started thinking about how I could now build the "Ultimate" H&V/SMiLE for myself. (I still have each and every one of the different versions of H&V that I've made over the years, including one from not so long ago that is basically H&V/Great Shape/Barnyard in a more fleshed out form)

That "Can't Wait Too Long" vocal intro is beautiful, isn't it?..I wonder when that was recorded? Craig, are you reading this? do you know? I would guess during "Wild Honey" but I really don't know.

I've never heard a "finished" version of CWTL anywhere. Does one exist that has gotten by me somehow?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 10, 2014, 10:45:14 PM
I was 4  :(

I know how you feel, but look at the bright side. You're 29 now, and the rest of us are yelling at kids to get off our lawns!  :lol



Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 11, 2014, 12:22:54 AM
I was actually blown away at how BAD those bootlegs sounded. I was so used to the studio-quality sound and EQ on the Beatles' Unsurpassed Masters and Ultra Rare Trax CDs...these early Smile boots were an EQ nightmare. I think Heroes and Vibrations was the first really good-sounding Smile boot I ever heard.

(BTW, any BB attorneys/BRI staff lurking about...we KNOW you're there...but...mention of HEARING a bootleg should not be interpreted as necessarily POSSESSING such bootleg.)

Did you have this one? It was eons better than anything that came before it. the Vigotone stuff was pretty good, but not on this level. Heroes and Vibrations is pretty good, but someone tried to tame the hiss using noise reduction and as a result the decay trail of any given vocals/music/reverb is a little funny. I still love that title, but that is the reality of it.

Those Beatles titles you mentioned were something else weren't they? I remember buying those Ultra Rare Trax CDs and looking at them at every red light and stop sign on my way home. They were neon green and neon orange, and FLOORED me when I got them home. I still have those! I also collected ALL of those Unsurpassed Masters volumes too. Those were the days.  :)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 11, 2014, 12:35:27 AM
Tricycle Rider, isn't that the Japanese SMiLE that came out around 1990? Think I paid 30 or 40 bucks for that at the time. The Japanese T2580-2 CD has no indication of who released it. That's an excellent quality disc that was supposedly compiled by Linett when a legit release of SMiLE was considered in 1988. This contained the original versions of Wind Chimes and Vega-Tables, Brian’s solo demo of Surf’s Up, and 7 minutes of unreleased Heroes and Villains segments.

1978/’79 – The "Priess tape".
1983 – First SMiLE bootleg, vinyl.
1985 - Second SMiLE bootleg, vinyl.
1989 – First SMiLE bootleg, CD.
1989 – Mark Linett SMiLE mixes, CD
1990 – Smile - Japanese T-2580-2, CD.
1990 - Smiley Smile 2-fer (bonus tracks - Cantina!) Priore played the tape of Heroes a few years before at a Beach Boys fan convention in Oakland, California.
1993 – Good Vibrations box set (bonus tracks).
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 110/111 2-CD boot.
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 3 album set, multiple colored vinyl.
1995 – Dave Prokopy SMiLE 3 tape set.
1998 - SMiLE - Heroes and Vibrations.
1999 - Sea Of Tunes Vol. 15 - Good Vibrations Sessions 3-CD boot. First heard alternate Good Vibrations (Asher lyrics) in 1976.
1999 – Sea Of Tunes Vol. 16, 17. Best quality SMiLE tracks to date.
2000 - SMiLE - Millenium edition.
2001 – Archeology.
2001 - Project SMiLE.
2004 - Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE (including instrumental tracks not included on original release).
2004 - Secret SMiLE.
2004 - Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 1 & 2.
2005 - SMiLE – Purple Chick Reconstruction.

The ones on Sphinx are "Alive and Smiling" and "Good Vibrations: Smile".  "Alive and Smiling" is the one with live tracks. There's another old one too called "Smile - Bits and Pieces".

The Japanese 2580, Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters 16 & 17 (box set), and the Vigotone sets were the best quality sound wise, I believe.




Hey Mikie  :)

Yup, that's the one. Nice list you put together! The following are what I have from that list:


1983 – First SMiLE bootleg, vinyl.
1985 - Second SMiLE bootleg, vinyl.
1989 – First SMiLE bootleg, CD.
1989 – Mark Linett SMiLE mixes, CD
1990 – Smile - Japanese T-2580-2, CD.
1990 - Smiley Smile 2-fer (bonus tracks - Cantina!) Priore played the tape of Heroes a few years before at a Beach Boys fan convention in Oakland, California.
1993 – Good Vibrations box set (bonus tracks).
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 110/111 2-CD boot.
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 3 album set, multiple colored vinyl.
1998 - SMiLE - Heroes and Vibrations.
1999 - Sea Of Tunes Vol. 15 - Good Vibrations Sessions 3-CD boot. First heard alternate Good Vibrations (Asher lyrics) in 1976.
1999 – Sea Of Tunes Vol. 16, 17. Best quality SMiLE tracks to date.
2001 – Archeology.
2001 - Project SMiLE.
2004 - Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE (including instrumental tracks not included on original release).
2004 - Secret SMiLE.
2004 - Heroes and Villains Sessions Part 1 & 2.
2005 - SMiLE – Purple Chick Reconstruction.

You said "The Japanese 2580, Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters 16 & 17 (box set), and the Vigotone sets were the best quality sound wise, I believe."

I couldn't agree more. Has anybody tried to go through these "previous releases" to see if there is anything on them that either didn't turn up on the "SMiLE Sessions" 2011 release, or turned up in a more edited form?




Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 11, 2014, 12:57:03 AM
I pulled this CD out tonight to give it a listen, and a flood of memories came back to me about the time it came out, how stunned I was at hearing SMiLE in this kind of fidelity after only having the 2 "Brother" records LPs and SMiLE - The Early Years CD (02-CD 3317). Anybody else have any memories of getting this? I'd love to hear them if you do.

(http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities/images/beachboys/smile25802cd.jpg)

(http://arkhonia.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/smile-japanese-cd.jpg)

(http://bigozine2.com/cdcvrs/images58/Disc05/BBsmileT2580Bk.jpg)

(http://images.45worlds.com/f/cd/the-beach-boys-smile-3-cd.jpg)

Smile (T 2580-2)

01. Good Vibrations
02. Holiday (Look) (Song For Children)
03. Vegetables
04. Child is Father to the Man
05. Wonderful (no lead vocal, cold ending, no fade)
06. Been Way Too Long (intro not found on any other SMiLE boot unless it was copied from here) (my favorite version of this track)
07. Barnyard ("With Me Tonight" slow harpsichord version. Fades out before lead vocal starts)
08. Cabinessence (backing track for verses with doyne, doyne background vocals. Full vocals for 1st "Iron Horse". No Grand Coulee Dam section.)
09. Our Prayer (with 1968 overdubs and laughing at the end)
10. Tones ("Holiday")
11. Barnyard ("H&V Cantina Fade" with a tiny bit of tape explosion at the beginning)
12. Heroes and Villains (7 minutes of H&V sections)
13. Do You Like Worms?
14. Wind Chimes
15. Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow (with H&V intro at the beginning)
16. George Fell Into His French Horn
17. Surf’s Up (backing track followed by Brian's 1966 solo studio version)
18. The Old Master Painter
19. You Are My Sunshine
20. Cool, Cool Water

Total playing Time: 61.44

This was the 1st time any SMiLE material appeared with sound quality this high. (not counting tapes that were being traded in small collectors circles) I believe it was sourced from Mark Linett's 1988 rough mixes compilation:

(http://arkhonia.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/smile-1988-cassette.jpg?w=500&h=311)

I took an ad out in 1989 in Goldmine magazine offering $200.00 to the first person who could put this in my hands, and I was contacted by Les Chan who told me where I could find it for considerably less. Talking to him on the phone was a delight. What a sweet person he was. (thanks Les, we all miss you)

I can't help but think if it wasn't for this CD we wouldn't have gotten 30+ minutes of SMiLE on the 1993 box set.

I wonder why the bootleggers didn't give us ALL of the tracks from Mark's 1988 compilation?
I find it especially odd that they gave us the H&V Cantina fade, but not the whole song. I'm thinking track 10 on side two must have been "He Gives Speeches"? I LOVE that intro to "Been Way Too Long". It's fun to see how Mark didn't know some of the titles yet, considering how well versed he is now after the 2011 SMiLE Sessions release.

Did anybody here get a copy of Mark's compilation on cassette before this CD came out? If so, was it complete?
Answer me in a PM if you don't want that info known.  :)

Your opening post brings back wonderful memories... I was going through a very difficult period in my life then (1989/1990). But I still enjoyed reading Goldmine, it wasn't carried by any normal Dutch magazine seller, but my record retailer had a subscription, and therefore I could get one of the two copies he received each month on a regular basis.

I recall there was a Beach Boys special (IIRC the first round of two-fers was announced), and it had this SMiLE CD from Japan in the reviews section. Five stars and a description of its duration and its contents.

I was blown away. For weeks on end I had just one thought: boots are the work of the devil and I am not allowed to purchase, let alone play such a satanic thing.

But my OCD forced me to visit a record fair in Amsterdam. I tried to skip all racks with BBs stuff, to no avail. God is my witness that I tried to resist temptation with all my might.

Then I saw a stall from a German seller, I still know his name, after 24 years: Norbert Morawitz.

There was that CD divider that read: Beach Boys.

I tried to run out of the building, to pay a visit to the nearest church.

The OCD decided otherwise. My right arm had taken on a life all of its own (much as an addict reaches for the bottle, against his will). I browsed. I found the item we speak of here. It cost 100 Dutch guilders, and that was not abnormal.

I bought it, much to my ethical chagrin.

Seated in the train home, I tried to throw this CD out of the window, many times.

I did not succeed.

At home, I reached for a cigarette lighter, to render the CD unplayable. The lighter wouln't work. It was empty.

So I gave in, and played the d*mn thing.

And got an aural orgasm.

(To all legal parties: this account is fictional in nature. It's the privilege of any writer.)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: mikeddonn on October 11, 2014, 01:38:12 AM
I feel your pain!  ;D


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 11, 2014, 03:43:26 AM
Your opening post brings back wonderful memories... I was going through a very difficult period in my life then (1989/1990). But I still enjoyed reading Goldmine, it wasn't carried by any normal Dutch magazine seller, but my record retailer had a subscription, and therefore I could get one of the two copies he received each month on a regular basis.

I recall there was a Beach Boys special (IIRC the first round of two-fers was announced), and it had this SMiLE CD from Japan in the reviews section. Five stars and a description of its duration and its contents.

I was blown away. For weeks on end I had just one thought: boots are the work of the devil and I am not allowed to purchase, let alone play such a satanic thing.

But my OCD forced me to visit a record fair in Amsterdam. I tried to skip all racks with BBs stuff, to no avail. God is my witness that I tried to resist temptation with all my might.

Then I saw a stall from a German seller, I still know his name, after 24 years: Norbert Morawitz.

There was that CD divider that read: Beach Boys.

I tried to run out of the building, to pay a visit to the nearest church.

The OCD decided otherwise. My right arm had taken on a life all of its own (much as an addict reaches for the bottle, against his will). I browsed. I found the item we speak of here. It cost 100 Dutch guilders, and that was not abnormal.

I bought it, much to my ethical chagrin.

Seated in the train home, I tried to throw this CD out of the window, many times.

I did not succeed.

At home, I reached for a cigarette lighter, to render the CD unplayable. The lighter wouln't work. It was empty.

So I gave in, and played the d*mn thing.

And got an aural orgasm.

(To all legal parties: this account is fictional in nature. It's the privilege of any writer.)

Sorry to hear that things weren't going so well then. I hope things are much better now.  :)

I used to pick up my copies of Goldmine at my local record store too....I miss those days.
I think I remember the issue you're talking about. It was yellow and had Crosby, Stills and Nash (porch photo) on the cover.
Inside was a whole 2 or 3 page article about The Beach Boys on CD. I still have my copy.

We all understand that you didn't really want to buy it, and commend your efforts to do away with the evil item that followed you home. That it jumped into your CD player when you were reaching for the cigarette lighter, is not your fault. Forgive yourself and go in peace my son.  :wink

Great post Don!  :)



Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 11, 2014, 05:16:41 AM
^^^^ Thank you, Tricycle Rider!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: mikeddonn on October 11, 2014, 02:56:42 PM
Don, hopefully your sense of guilt diminished somewhat after Capitol were asking people to share their bootleg stories and post pictures as part of the promotion for the "Smile Sessions" box. ;D


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Zack on October 11, 2014, 03:45:05 PM
I had a re-boot of this on a label called Red Robin.   Anyone else have that?

Previous to that I ordered the original 2-CD set from Dave Prokopy.  He wrote back to say he'd send it as soon as he could but his tape deck was in the shop!  We all know how long electronics repairs take.  It was literally four or five months of waiting.  I vividly remember the first listen, at work.  At that point all I had was the GV box material and the pitiful Early Years offering.  A great day that was!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Real Barnyard on October 12, 2014, 03:53:53 AM
Inspired by Mikie's list, I've put together a "definitive" Smile boots list. I'm not sure about all the years, so any comments or corrections are welcomed  :) :

1978/’79 – The "Priess tape".
1983 - SMILE (Brother Records ST 2580) [Vinyl]
1985 - SMILE (second edition) (BROTHER ST 2580) [Vinyl]
1988 - Mark Linett SMiLE cassette
1989 - The SMILE Era Outtakes (QUALITY COMPACT PRODUCTIONS QCP 67001)
1989 - SMILE (T 2580-2) [sourced from the "Linett tape"]
1989 - The Early Years - The Beach Boys SMILE (SPA02-CD 3317)
1989 - Beach Boys Smile (Sphinx SX CD 008)
1990 - Beach Boys SMILE [2 LP's]
1990 - SMILE (Bits And Pieces) (GEMA T 2580-2/3) [2-CD]
1990 - Alive and Smiling (Sphinx SX CD 010)
1990 - Good Vibrations: Smile (Sphinx SX CD 011)
1990 - The Alternative Smile Collection (Smile 9212)
1991 - Brian Wilson - Smile (Chapter One Digital Recordings CO 25145)
1992 - Good Vibrations - Smile (Luna Records LU 9207)
1993 - Dave Prokopy SMiLE 2 tape set
1993 - SMiLE (Vigotone ST-9002) [3-LP Colored Vinyl]
1993 - Rockin' Rarities (GEMA HB 002)
1993 - SMiLE (Vigotone Vigo-110/111) [2-CD]
1995 - Long Lost Surf Songs Vol. 2 (Silver Rarities SIRA 150)
1995 - Dave Prokopy SMiLE 3 tape set
1996 - Dave Prokopy SMiLE 3 tape set [June 1996]
1998 - Heroes And Vibrations (Vigotone VT-163)
1998 - Smile (Wilson records BB 001) [in LP replica sleeve]
1998 - SMILE (Magik Unikorn Music)
1998 - SMILE and SMILEY (SMI-MAI)
1999 - Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 15 (1966) Good Vibrations (Sea of Tunes C9946/47/48) [3-CD]
1999 - Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 16 (1966-1967) Smile (Sea of Tunes C9949)
1999 - Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 (1966-1967) Smile Sessions (Sea of Tunes C9950/51/52) [3-CD]
1999 - Heroes And Villains Sessions Parts 1 & 2 (Wilson Records SURF 001)
2000 - SMILE (Millenium Edition) (Dumb Angel Records DAR-001)
2001 - Archaeology (Picaresque Records PIC-0001/2/3) [3-CD]
2001 - Project SMiLE [CD-ROM]
2001 - Make A SMiLE (BBS 1971)
2001 - Smile (BB5-528)
2002 - SMiLE (Odeon ST-9002)
2002 - SMiLE (MOJO Version)
2003 - SMiLE (Sea of Tunes LP001) [Vinyl]
2004 - Secret SMiLE
2005 - Smile - A Reconstruction (Purple Chick PC-66)
2006 - SMiLE Sessions - The Sea Of Tunes Source Tape (CMYK 1971-103)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on October 12, 2014, 04:08:53 AM
One of the Lost Surf Songs discs was the first airing of the Only Sunshine version o the False Barnyard fade, I believe…


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Real Barnyard on October 12, 2014, 04:36:33 AM
One of the Lost Surf Songs discs was the first airing of the Only Sunshine version o the False Barnyard fade, I believe…

Ok. Added to the list.
It has Good Vibrations instrumental tracks from Best Summer Of Our Lives 1976 radio special, Heroes & Villains and Barnyard fade.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: guitarfool2002 on October 12, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
My cat had to get in on the celebration of 25 years, Smile T 2580 on CD.  ;D

(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n295/guitarfool2002/cat2014smile_zps071f9cc4.jpg)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 12, 2014, 02:11:05 PM
Out of the fire and into the litter box?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: mikeddonn on October 12, 2014, 04:28:43 PM
I also have this Smile T2580 but it came in a card sleeve (like a mini lp) and has a bonus CD of some more Smile stuff.  The discs look pretty generic and say "Golden Archive" volumes 7 and 8 on the disc.  They are also blue in colour.  It has the same card insert with the tracklist.  Again, no mention of who pressed it.  Anyone else seen this version?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Micha on October 15, 2014, 12:57:57 AM
Then I saw a stall from a German seller, I still know his name, after 24 years: Norbert Morawitz.

Naturally, you blame a German for you buying it. :wink


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: 37!ws on October 15, 2014, 01:19:28 PM
(Once again....in 1993 Prokopy had a 2-tape Smile set! Don't forget that in your discogs!)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Real Barnyard on October 15, 2014, 02:52:36 PM
(Once again....in 1993 Prokopy had a 2-tape Smile set! Don't forget that in your discogs!)

Added to the list.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on October 15, 2014, 04:32:02 PM
Here's a thing: I think it was 2004 - someone out together a CD boot based on the BWPS tracklist but BBs tracks. THe CD itself was printed up as a Capitol rainbow edged label Lp, and the sleeve was a hand-made Lp-style card sleeve, complete with miniature Smkle booklet and (I think) an anti-static sleeve. No new music, but a miniature work of art.

I'd forgotten it until now but I must go back and compare it with TSS disc 1.

Each was, as alluded, made individually and felt to me like a work of art.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Bicyclerider on October 15, 2014, 06:02:24 PM
I remember this boot well - it completely blew my mind.  Wind Chimes especially, the first release of the Smile version.

I struggled to find this after reading about it in ICE - a friend of mine scoured the New York boot shops to no avail.  Finally a friend of mine found it for $50 at a Beach Boys convention in California.  He left after purchasing it, missing a surprise appearance and performance by one . . . Brian Wilson!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 15, 2014, 06:58:34 PM
I remember this boot well - it completely blew my mind.  Wind Chimes especially, the first release of the Smile version.

I struggled to find this after reading about it in ICE - a friend of mine scoured the New York boot shops to no avail.  Finally a friend of mine found it for $50 at a Beach Boys convention in California.  He left after purchasing it, missing a surprise appearance and performance by one . . . Brian Wilson!

Your friend sure missed Brian Wilson at the BB convention at the Handlery Hotel in July, 1990! How could someone leave early when the place was buzzin' with rumors even before he showed up and played some songs and signed autographs?  :-D  I met Landy that day. Not many would talk to him but I did. He told Sweet Insanity was going to "blow Brian Wilson 88 away". We never found out.

Rockin' Rarities (GEMA HB 002), Long Lost Surf Songs Vol. 2, SMiLE and SMILEY might be reaching juuuust a little bit as being definitive Smile CD's. And I'd even put the Anne Wallace mono mix of Smile before a couple of others (even though there's no label for it). Things like the Mojo mix of Smile aren't any different than some of the Smile fan mixes, like Mok or JMZ or others.

And don't forget this one! Brian Wilson – Smile (Chapter One Digital Recordings # CO 25145) It's a picture disc with a Smile fold-out cover.

I never did pick up the 3 colored vinyl singles or the vinyl pressing of the Sea Of Tunes Unsurpassed Masters Vol.16. Smile source tape? I can't tell much of a difference between that and SOT 16 and 17.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 15, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
You know, there's nothing like having a Bicyclerider and a Tricyclerider on the same thread. All we need is a Unicyclerider posting here and we're set!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Bicyclerider on October 16, 2014, 02:17:39 PM
And Quadcyclerider!

Smile source tape did have some fragments of takes and take slates edited out of Sea of Tunes.  Nothing major, but for the OCD completists . . . 


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 16, 2014, 03:36:20 PM
Has anybody made a list of what bits from the SMiLE Source Tape are not on the Sea Of Tunes sets?

Better yet, has anybody made a list of what bits from Sea Of Tunes, Heroes And Vibrations, and Archeology aren't on the 2011 SMiLE Sessions 5 CD box set?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 17, 2014, 07:45:02 AM
Betterbetterbetter yet, has anyone made a list of still-unreleased Smile material that we know absolutely nothing about, not even if it exists at all ?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 17, 2014, 10:11:00 AM
Betterbetterbetter yet, has anyone made a list of still-unreleased Smile material that we know absolutely nothing about, not even if it exists at all ?

I made just such a list and keep it in a soundcloud


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on October 17, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
Is AGD trying to dethrone Bgas as the King of Smartassdom? 


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 17, 2014, 10:33:59 AM
Bgas isn't a smartass, he is a hard working guy. ;)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: TheLazenby on October 17, 2014, 11:21:10 AM
I'd love to hear this CD somehow!!  Hint hint.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on October 17, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
Betterbetterbetter yet, has anyone made a list of still-unreleased Smile material that we know absolutely nothing about, not even if it exists at all ?
Air and Earth?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 17, 2014, 11:04:41 PM
I'd love to hear this CD somehow!!  Hint hint.

Here's how:

1 - borrow a TARDIS.

2 - go back to 1989.

3 - buy one.

Thank me later.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on October 17, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
I'd love to hear this CD somehow!!  Hint hint.

Here's how:

1 - borrow a TARDIS.

2 - go back to 1989.

3 - buy one.

Thank me later.

This is ridiculous and very unfair. The Timelords and their Tardises are currently trapped in a kind of alter-sync stasis field and borrowing a Tardis would be nigh-on impossible. There's that single Type 40 seen in the weekly documentary of course, and I like to think that K’anpo Rimpoche's Cho Je incarnation might still be hiding in the Himalaya, probably with his own Tardis nearby. But we're not talking Hertz car rental here…


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 18, 2014, 02:54:34 PM
Surely the plural of TARDIS should be TARDII ?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 18, 2014, 02:56:27 PM
AGD, are you a time lord?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 18, 2014, 03:01:24 PM
I think Phil Cohen was a Dalek or cyberman.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 18, 2014, 04:10:04 PM

 :lol


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 18, 2014, 11:38:06 PM
AGD, are you a time lord?

Who knows...  ;)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Micha on October 19, 2014, 11:56:47 AM
Surely the plural of TARDIS should be TARDII ?

If it was "TARDIUS", then the plural would be "TARDII". The plural of "TARDIS" of course is "TARDISSISSES" or sumpin lak that.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: TheLazenby on October 19, 2014, 07:19:57 PM
It's pretty bad when someone offers me a free copy along with a "Sorry you got so many smart-ass replies."


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: bgas on October 19, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
Aw shucks...


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 19, 2014, 11:01:46 PM
It's pretty bad when someone offers me a free copy along with a "Sorry you got so many smart-ass replies."

Welcome to Smiley Smile.  ;D


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 20, 2014, 06:48:16 AM
It's pretty bad when someone offers me a free copy along with a "Sorry you got so many smart-ass replies."

That was very kind of someone.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: LeeDempsey on October 20, 2014, 12:12:21 PM
I'd love to hear this CD somehow!!  Hint hint.

Here's how:

1 - borrow a TARDIS.

2 - go back to 1989.

3 - buy one.

Thank me later.

I was going to say set it to December 22, 2005 - the day before the board rules banning requests for copies of bootleg material were put in place.  :)

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,122.0.html

Lee


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: 37!ws on October 20, 2014, 12:37:09 PM
Surely the plural of TARDIS should be TARDII ?

No, only second-declension masculine nouns ending in "-us" are pluralized by changing it to "-i."

"Tardis," however, is either a third- or fourth-declension. Might be pluralized as "tardes" depending on what declension it is, and if it's an I-stem, etc. And that's assuming NOMINATIVE case, as well.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: wantsomecorn on October 20, 2014, 12:49:46 PM
Logopolis episode 4:

MASTER: Doctor, we must form a plan. I propose one, we withdraw to a position of temporary security. Two, we reconfigure our two Tardises into time cone inverters. Three, we create a stable safe zone by applying temporal inversion isometry to as much of space-time as we can isolate.
TEGAN: Look!
(The Monitor fades away before their eyes.)
MASTER: Horrible.
TEGAN: Hardly more horrible than shrinking people.
MASTER: No. Do what you like, Doctor. Logopolis is yours.
TEGAN: Doctor, stop him. He's getting away.
DOCTOR: No, no, no, no, listen. Reconfigure the two Tardises into time cone inverters? It would work. What a brilliant mind.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 20, 2014, 03:38:24 PM
Surely the plural of TARDIS should be TARDII ?

No, only second-declension masculine nouns ending in "-us" are pluralized by changing it to "-i."

"Tardis," however, is either a third- or fourth-declension. Might be pluralized as "tardes" depending on what declension it is, and if it's an I-stem, etc. And that's assuming NOMINATIVE case, as well.

You are, of course, assuming (quite erroneously) that Gallifreyian grammar follows terrestrial rules.  ;D


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 20, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
AGD IS A TIMELORD! ;D


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on October 20, 2014, 04:23:49 PM
Surely the plural of TARDIS should be TARDII ?

No, only second-declension masculine nouns ending in "-us" are pluralized by changing it to "-i."

"Tardis," however, is either a third- or fourth-declension. Might be pluralized as "tardes" depending on what declension it is, and if it's an I-stem, etc. And that's assuming NOMINATIVE case, as well.

You are, of course, assuming (quite erroneously) that Gallifreyian grammar follows terrestrial rules.  ;D

Bleedin' eck, even Thals and Kaleds speak the Queen's English.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 21, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
Surely the plural of TARDIS should be TARDII ?

No, only second-declension masculine nouns ending in "-us" are pluralized by changing it to "-i."

"Tardis," however, is either a third- or fourth-declension. Might be pluralized as "tardes" depending on what declension it is, and if it's an I-stem, etc. And that's assuming NOMINATIVE case, as well.

You are, of course, assuming (quite erroneously) that Gallifreyian grammar follows terrestrial rules.  ;D

Bleedin' eck, even Thals and Kaleds speak the Queen's English.

Ah, that's what they want you to think...


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 21, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Where is earcandy to photoshop AGD into a Dr. Who scene? ;)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: TheLazenby on October 23, 2014, 03:23:42 PM
Now that I have this, I have to ask....  Why the 15-minute "Good Vibrations"?  I mean, surely this was not an official edit?!

Also, I find it funny that 22 years after the album, people still didn't know what "Barnyard" was - two songs are given that title in the track list, one being "With Me Tonight" and the other being "False Barnyard".  (Domenic Priore's book also seems to think that "False Barnyard" is the actual song.)

I mean, did the true identity of "Barnyard" not become known until the demo came out in 1998?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 23, 2014, 04:03:28 PM
Now that I have this, I have to ask....  Why the 15-minute "Good Vibrations"?  I mean, surely this was not an official edit?!

Also, I find it funny that 22 years after the album, people still didn't know what "Barnyard" was - two songs are given that title in the track list, one being "With Me Tonight" and the other being "False Barnyard".  (Domenic Priore's book also seems to think that "False Barnyard" is the actual song.)

I mean, did the true identity of "Barnyard" not become known until the demo came out in 1998?

No, it's not an official edit, but remember this was before we got official outtakes of this song on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer or the 30 Years of Good Vibrations box set. If I remember correctly, the only Good Vibrations alternate that we had up until that time was the one played on the 1976 radio special. I'm not 100% sure about this, so don't take that as fact until Andrew or Lee chime in and confirm it. The thing that I find most interesting about those Good Vibrations bits on the T 2580-2 CD, is Carl's lead vocal being faded in and out as if the bootlegger was trying to show he had the multitracks available to him. If Andrew or Lee have anything to say about this, I would love to hear it.   

Regarding Barnyard, the true identity of that track became known when a "Mystery Writer" contributed a section to an early 1990's edition of Endless Summer Quarterly. All of my ESQ issues are packed away after a move or else I could tell you exactly which issue it was. I think Lee may have known this writer personally, and could probably tell you all about that.  ;)

Lee to center stage please, Lee to center stage.

Royce (Hi Lee  :))

P.S. Lazenby, may I ask how old you are, and when and how you first got into SMiLE? I'm just looking for some context to help me with our future conversations!


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: TheLazenby on October 23, 2014, 04:16:10 PM
27, and my introduction to Smile was buying BWPS about a year after its release - mainly because I wanted to know what the "big deal" was with it.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 23, 2014, 11:03:39 PM
Now that I have this, I have to ask....  Why the 15-minute "Good Vibrations"?  I mean, surely this was not an official edit?!

Also, I find it funny that 22 years after the album, people still didn't know what "Barnyard" was - two songs are given that title in the track list, one being "With Me Tonight" and the other being "False Barnyard".  (Domenic Priore's book also seems to think that "False Barnyard" is the actual song.)

I mean, did the true identity of "Barnyard" not become known until the demo came out in 1998?

No, it's not an official edit, but remember this was before we got official outtakes of this song on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer or the 30 Years of Good Vibrations box set. If I remember correctly, the only Good Vibrations alternate that we had up until that time was the one played on the 1976 radio special. I'm not 100% sure about this, so don't take that as fact until Andrew or Lee chime in and confirm it. The thing that I find most interesting about those Good Vibrations bits on the T 2580-2 CD, is Carl's lead vocal being faded in and out as if the bootlegger was trying to show he had the multitracks available to him. If Andrew or Lee have anything to say about this, I would love to hear it.   

Regarding Barnyard, the true identity of that track became known when a "Mystery Writer" contributed a section to an early 1990's edition of Endless Summer Quarterly. All of my ESQ issues are packed away after a move or else I could tell you exactly which issue it was. I think Lee may have known this writer personally, and could probably tell you all about that.  ;)

Lee to center stage please, Lee to center stage.

Royce (Hi Lee  :))

P.S. Lazenby, may I ask how old you are, and when and how you first got into SMiLE? I'm just looking for some context to help me with our future conversations!

Correct - the clips from the 1976 radio special were "it" until this CD came out. As for fading Carl's vocal in and out... that's likely how the master was - remember, Brian punched in for Carl on the highs: you can hear it clearly in the released 45.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 24, 2014, 02:00:32 AM
27, and my introduction to Smile was buying BWPS about a year after its release - mainly because I wanted to know what the "big deal" was with it.

Thanks, Lazenby, that's exactly what I was looking for.

I'm so happy for you that you didn't have to go through what a lot of us here did in regards to trying to piece together SMiLE. First we had to grab the scattered tracks from their LPs (Smiley, Wild Honey, 20/20, Surf's Up) and even though these weren't the full on SMiLE versions of these songs, this was as close as we could get as of 1971. Then nothing until that 1976 radio special when we got the aforementioned Good Vibrations material. Then in the late 70s, copies of the Jeff Deutch/Byron Preiss cassette tape began making it's way around (NOT by Jeff or Byron, but Brad Elliott) but only in a small circle of connected collectors. The rest of us had to wait until 1983 when material from that tape appeared as the 1st SMiLE boot LP. Then in 1985, the 2nd SMiLE boot LP was released, and was the 1st time we heard "Wonderful" on the harpsichord with Brian singing. Then nothing really "new" until the 1989 T 2580-2 CD you have now. It was a long, tantalizing period to wait to hear SMiLE (or a lot of it, anyway) but as you know, well worth the wait.

In regards to the track intended for "Barnyard", I have my own theory. Though there was a track recorded for "Barnyard" (that included faux animal sounds) on October 20, (same day as the H&V verse tracking was recorded) I believe that by the time Brian demoed H&V for DJ "Humble Harv" Miller on November 04, it was the "False Barnyard" feel Brian was hearing in his head when he played the "Barnyard" section of the demo and it was that feel that the lyrics were written for. Some might say, but that track wouldn't be recorded for 10 more days at that point. They would be correct. At that point though, Brian was closer to the tracking date for "My Only Sunshine" (November 14th) than he was to the previous tracking date for "Barnyard" (October 20th)

You usually conceive something BEFORE you book studio time, or at least have some idea of what you're going to do in your mind before you show up at the studio. That combined with the fact that Brian was just one of many using that studio, and would have to take the next available opening, makes it possible that "False Barnyard" was already in his head before he recorded it. Also, the only SMiLE era mix of H&V done by Brian, has "False Barnyard" as the outro/fade. As if that wasn't enough, we find Brian re-recording the H&V fade on February 28, 1967 and it has the same "feel" as "False Barnyard".

In Jules Siegel's  article "Goodbye Surfing, Hello God" he describes Barnyard like this: "civilized chickens bobbed up and down in a tiny ballet of comic Barnyard melody"

In Michael Vosse's 1967 Teen Set article he says: Brian sits in his bedroom playing the background track to "Heroes and Villains" for a reporter from New York. As the Barnyard section comes over the speaker Brian leaps off his bed. "I'VE GOT IT!"

He laughs and jumps into the center of the room.

"It's a color short. 16 mm. I'll shoot it. Next week. It's a chicken, and the chicken is wearing TENNIS SHOES. The chicken is wearing tennis shoes and he is bopping around the most beautiful pad. Paul Robbins' pad. Somebody get Robbins on the phone. We've got to shoot it next week!"

How does he do it?

Suffice to say, he does it!
-------------------------

Now, which track does that sound more like to you?, "Barnyard" or "False Barnyard"?

I don't think "Barnyard" sounds anywhere near as comical as "False Barnyard" does.

I created a more fleshed out version of the H&V demo just to see what it would sound like, and lo and behold the "Barnyard" section (using "False Barnyard" as the track) turned out beautifully. Much more "musical" and "rhythmic" than the clumsy version on disc 1 of the SMiLE Sessions, AND the piano from the demo is no longer a problem, and actually WORKS with it.

PM me if anyone wants to hear it.

Now, none of this is backed up by evidence, it's just a feeling I have.  :)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on October 24, 2014, 02:01:56 AM
Now that I have this, I have to ask....  Why the 15-minute "Good Vibrations"?  I mean, surely this was not an official edit?!

Also, I find it funny that 22 years after the album, people still didn't know what "Barnyard" was - two songs are given that title in the track list, one being "With Me Tonight" and the other being "False Barnyard".  (Domenic Priore's book also seems to think that "False Barnyard" is the actual song.)

I mean, did the true identity of "Barnyard" not become known until the demo came out in 1998?

No, it's not an official edit, but remember this was before we got official outtakes of this song on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey twofer or the 30 Years of Good Vibrations box set. If I remember correctly, the only Good Vibrations alternate that we had up until that time was the one played on the 1976 radio special. I'm not 100% sure about this, so don't take that as fact until Andrew or Lee chime in and confirm it. The thing that I find most interesting about those Good Vibrations bits on the T 2580-2 CD, is Carl's lead vocal being faded in and out as if the bootlegger was trying to show he had the multitracks available to him. If Andrew or Lee have anything to say about this, I would love to hear it.   

Regarding Barnyard, the true identity of that track became known when a "Mystery Writer" contributed a section to an early 1990's edition of Endless Summer Quarterly. All of my ESQ issues are packed away after a move or else I could tell you exactly which issue it was. I think Lee may have known this writer personally, and could probably tell you all about that.  ;)

Lee to center stage please, Lee to center stage.

Royce (Hi Lee  :))

P.S. Lazenby, may I ask how old you are, and when and how you first got into SMiLE? I'm just looking for some context to help me with our future conversations!

Correct - the clips from the 1976 radio special were "it" until this CD came out. As for fading Carl's vocal in and out... that's likely how the master was - remember, Brian punched in for Carl on the highs: you can hear it clearly in the released 45.

Thanks, Andrew!  :)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: hardylane on November 25, 2014, 11:30:38 PM
And I'd even put the Anne Wallace mono mix of Smile before a couple of others (even though there's no label for it).

That mix was released via my old website back in the day.... it was never pressed by me... but it was subsequently found on other boots, funnily enough!

Think I did it in 1997.

Annie


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on November 26, 2014, 12:01:55 AM
Hi Annie ,
I just wanted to thank you for that SMiLE mix. That version of Surf's Up is STILL my favorite and the one I always use on my SMiLE mixes.

Royce :)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on November 26, 2014, 05:49:30 AM
On the SoT Smile discs (and briefly on the TSS set) there's a session for False Barnyard that kicks off with the musicians playing the tune far more slowly, plucking strings…

Pom-Pom pa dom-pa-dom pa-dom-pa-dom-pa-dom-pa-dom…

First time I heard that I could picture Brian's chicks in tennis shoes …
But then he speeds it up, cuts out the plucking and changes the rhythm to what we now regard as FBarnyard. But that intial plucked version is one of my favourite Smile exquisities.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Tricycle Rider on November 26, 2014, 11:58:26 AM
I love that track too John!  :) The first time I heard it I thought, why didn't he leave it like that?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on November 26, 2014, 03:20:13 PM
The first time I heard it I thought, why didn't he leave it like that?

This! In the version of Smile that exists in my cranial jukebox, this excerpt survived the maelstrom.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: onkster on November 28, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
So, is there a really clean version of this, meaning the pizzicato strings rehearsal? I, too, love this and would like to include it on my own comp...the one I do have is only in mediocre fidelity.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: hardylane on November 30, 2014, 08:21:49 PM
Hi Annie ,
I just wanted to thank you for that SMiLE mix. That version of Surf's Up is STILL my favorite and the one I always use on my SMiLE mixes.

Royce :)

You're very welcome. It was all just done for fun, a long time ago. I'm amazed people still like it :)

Annie


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on November 30, 2014, 08:29:24 PM
I remember getting on the internet about 1996 or 1997. There were VERY few Beach Boys message boards then. Somebody on the PSML said something about a "Green Mansions" board run by someone in the UK. It was there (after wading through all the humor) that I got wind of a SMiLE album mono mix, compiled by Anne Wallace. One of the very first SMiLE fan mixes I ever picked up if not THE first. It was pretty popular; a revelation almost, after all the Smile bootlegs up until then. Anne was like the UK version of Alice Lillie - a pioneer in Beach Boys fandom.  :-D


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: hardylane on December 01, 2014, 08:11:06 AM
I remember getting on the internet about 1996 or 1997. There were VERY few Beach Boys message boards then. Somebody on the PSML said something about a "Green Mansions" board run by someone in the UK. It was there (after wading through all the humor) that I got wind of a SMiLE album mono mix, compiled by Anne Wallace. One of the very first SMiLE fan mixes I ever picked up if not THE first. It was pretty popular; a revelation almost, after all the Smile bootlegs up until then. Anne was like the UK version of Alice Lillie - a pioneer in Beach Boys fandom.  :-D

When I started Web Sounds, I was just a keen fan, wanting to join in with the online community. I gradually discovered Smile through a bootleg or two and some other rare tracks. It infuriated me that this music was not out there, being appreciated... that you had to track it down.

So I created the Smile section, which was high quality downloadable MP3s of the album, remixed and assembled by me, free for download, accompanied by Dave Prokopy's original liner notes.

Of course these days, I'd have been shut down in an instant! But somehow it survived long enough to get out to a lot more people. I'm very glad it did. It served its purpose at the time.

Seeing my name mentioned in relation to my mixes is quite surprising, as I haven't thought about it for years! :)

Annie


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on December 01, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
Anne, for some reason I neglected to add your SMiLE CD to our definitive list of Smile boots. I know you didn't assign numbers or labels to your comp, but what year would you say that you finished and "released" it?  I'll add it to the definitive list that Barnyard2 compiled.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Lee Marshall on December 01, 2014, 12:08:41 PM
I sincerely WISH that I could have enjoyed the experience of hearing this Smile material back in 1989...25 years ago.  But...no.  I'd have to wait until Brian presented it and then went back and 'finished' the original works [while adding in some unfinished business]

I had interviewed both Peter Noone and Danny Hutton on separate occasions during the mid 80s and BOTH of them told me that they had Smile on tape.  Try as I might...without being a dink about it...there was NO way that either of these gentlemen were going to sabotage Brian or their insider connections just to satiate my ears.  So like many...I just waited.  The only pre-conceived notions I had were based on what I'd read and what I had on vinyl and on cd...and over time I did manage to piece something together which came nowhere NEAR the finished product.  But it was fun doin' it.

Not knowing much at all made the audio realizations of the two versions officially released over these past 10 years [or so] pretty blinkin' MAGICAL though. :hat



Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: hardylane on December 01, 2014, 05:24:06 PM
Anne, for some reason I neglected to add your SMiLE CD to our definitive list of Smile boots. I know you didn't assign numbers or labels to your comp, but what year would you say that you finished and "released" it?  I'll add it to the definitive list that Barnyard2 compiled.

The Smile pages, and the Surf's Up mix were, I think, 1997. I then did a Beach Boys Smile remix in 2004 based upon Brian's Smile release, and included perhaps ill-judged MIDI music to fill in the new pieces.

Since then I've abandoned MIDI work and concentrate on my own music, which is at beresfordandwallace.com

Increasing ticket prices, and limited concert appearances mean that I haven't seen a Beach Boy live for ten years.

Annie


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Mikie on December 01, 2014, 07:57:42 PM
Good to see you on the board, Annie.  Twood be nice if you posted here more often. Are you going to try to make it to the Stomp Convention on September 19th 2015?


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Bean Bag on December 04, 2014, 05:55:14 AM
Smile (T 2580-2)

01. Good Vibrations
02. Holiday (Look) (Song For Children)
03. Vegetables
04. Child is Father to the Man
05. Wonderful (no lead vocal, cold ending, no fade)
06. Been Way Too Long (intro not found on any other SMiLE boot unless it was copied from here) (my favorite version of this track)
07. Barnyard ("With Me Tonight" slow harpsichord version. Fades out before lead vocal starts)
08. Cabinessence (backing track for verses with doyne, doyne background vocals. Full vocals for 1st "Iron Horse". No Grand Coulee Dam section.)
09. Our Prayer (with 1968 overdubs and laughing at the end)
10. Tones ("Holiday")
11. Barnyard ("H&V Cantina Fade" with a tiny bit of tape explosion at the beginning)
12. Heroes and Villains (7 minutes of H&V sections)
13. Do You Like Worms?
14. Wind Chimes
15. Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow (with H&V intro at the beginning)
16. George Fell Into His French Horn
17. Surf’s Up (backing track followed by Brian's 1966 solo studio version)
18. The Old Master Painter
19. You Are My Sunshine
20. Cool, Cool Water

Total playing Time: 61.44

That's a pretty cool listen.  I compiled a real quick playlist from the SMiLE Sessions Box, approximating the above tracklist -- very nice indeed.  Always refreshing to hear a different take on it.  There's a nice flow here.


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 04, 2014, 11:11:48 PM
The first track is well over ten minutes - it's not a straight version of "GV". Session outtakes and the like. Fascinating. You get Carl cutting his lead on the first verse, complete w/a Brian-shaped gap.  :)


Title: Re: 25 Years Ago: SMiLE CD T 2580-2
Post by: The Shift on December 04, 2014, 11:21:46 PM
The first track is well over ten minutes - it's not a straight version of "GV". Session outtakes and the like. Fascinating. You get Carl cutting his lead on the first verse, complete w/a Brian-shaped gap.  :)

Not the first time I've asked this but don't think I've ever had an answer so I'll try again here…

Was there a similar Brian/Carl sharing of the same line(s) in Cabinessence?

Eg
Carl: I'll give you a…
Brian: … home on the range.

Carl: … and witness our…
Brian: … home, on the range.


Has always sounded that way to me.