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Title: Breaking down "In Concert"
Post by: wantsomecorn on August 30, 2014, 05:16:36 PM
Now with a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JIeu-RszH4rRWLOEV1tt24EFek033C4mGfMc0p1m8KE/edit?usp=sharing) breaking down the album for anyone to contribute to!


The Beach Boys In Concert is my favorite Beach Boys album, and after listening to it for so long, I've become curious as to who exactly plays what on it. I've seen the liner notes and wikipedia pages detailing who played what, but none of them offer specifics on tracks, which is frustrating, because many of the ten instrumentalists played multiple instruments.

While going track by track trying to pick out who plays what, I've come to a couple of hurdles that have been bugging me-

1. Carl Wilson: Lead guitar, mostly, but he's also listed for electric piano. I know he's definitely doing the piano part on "Sail on Sailor", but is there anything else besides that? Maybe "The Trader"?

2. Blondie: What songs did he play Bass on? The liner notes list him only as a guitarist, but the wikipedia page lists both, and that has to be right, because I know he played Bass on "Wild Honey" as per the Hyde Park video, so he'd have to play more live bass than that. I'm thinking he took over Bass on some of the songs Bruce used to play Bass on that Ed Carter didn't.

3. Ed Carter: Speaking of that, what did Ed Carter play lead guitar on? Presumably when Blondie was on Bass, Ed played additional guitar parts (like how he did on Live at Knebworth when Joe Chemay was playing Bass), but I have no clue what those songs would be.

4. Dennis Wilson: Reading Jon and Ian's book, it sounds like Dennis was surplus to the group's sound at this point, leading me to believe he dropped in and out of the show depending on what he wanted to sing or play on. He has to be on "Sail on Sailor" and "California Girls" because he intros them, and I hear three keyboard parts on "Funky Pretty" and "Let the Wind Blow", so assuming Carl doesn't take on of those and Carli and Billy are the other two, then Dennis would have to play on those. He's also listed as the only one playing Moog Synthesizer, so any Moog parts would likely be his, so that could also include "You Still Believe in Me" and "Sloop John B".

5. Billy Hinsche: What would he be playing guitar on? I'm guessing "Sail on Sailor" because Carl is at his piano, and maybe some of the encore? No idea. Aside from that, he has to be playing most of the regular piano or electric piano parts.

6. Ricky Fataar: Ricky plays drums on most of the songs, but he plays pedal-steel on "Marcella" (but not "Sail on Sailor" to my ears - he must be drumming), rhythm guitar on "We Got Love", because that's his only lead on the album (I don't hear him doing his record part on "Funky Pretty" so he's drumming there too), and flute on "Caroline, No". He also does the flute intro on "Sloop John B", but there's no flute for the rest of the track, so he must've just played it while behind the kit before he started drumming - there's no drum part in the song for a few seconds.

7. Mike Kowalski: Were there two drum kits set up for the album? If there aren't, then he must be playing additional hand percussion for most of the album, except "We Got Love", "Marcella", and "Caroline, No". He also plays the glockenspiel part on "Wouldn't It Be Nice".

8. Robert Kenyatta: He's listed as playing woodwinds, but that's incorrect, because his website lists him as a percussionist (specifically congas) and they toured with several percussionists during this era, including a few conga players at various times. There's a lot of congas on the album, which should all be him. Aside from that, he likely just added whatever hand percussion was needed, including the sleigh bells on "Marcella", which would've been him as Mike Kowalski was drumming.

9. Carli Munoz: Plays the organ that nearly every song on the album has. He's also listed for electric piano, which could've been him on any of the tracks without organ, but there were three other people that could've played an electric piano part on any given song, so figuring out what he played that on is easier said than done.

10. Al Jardine: Rhythm guitar thoughout, unless there's something he left the stage for, so possibly "Caroline, No", which is the only song on the album without harmonies.

11. Mike Love: Tambourine on various songs, plus theremin on Good Vibrations. Given the fact that he was the frontman, he should've been onstage for every song providing harmony vocals.


Anyone with anything to add?


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on August 30, 2014, 07:42:36 PM
I just want to know who played that searing lead in the middle of Rhonda. Don't think it was Carl - rather Blondie or Steady Eddie.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Sangheon on August 30, 2014, 09:01:03 PM
Carl wilson played an electric piano on The Trader.
Ed carter played a bass guiter mostly, not lead guiter. I think.
Ricky played a synthesiser on Leaving This Town.
Billy played an electric piano on Help Me Rhonda.
And Isn't Charles Llyod to play the flute on Caroline, No?


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: metal flake paint on August 30, 2014, 09:23:25 PM
Carl: Judging by footage from the era, Carl most likely played keys on “The Trader.”

Blondie: If by the Hyde Park video you mean the Crystal Palace gig, Blondie played guitar on “Wild Honey” with Ed Carter on bass. There's footage of Blondie playing bass from this era, perhaps on “Leaving This Town.”
If the OGWT footage is any indication, Blondie may have played bass on “You Need A Mess...” which was part of the single disc version of “In Concert”.

Dennis: is featured standing and singing into the mic in the Endless Harmony clip of “Sail, On Sailor.”


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: metal flake paint on August 30, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
And Isn't Charles Llyod to play the flute on Caroline, No?

Don't think so, as he isn't listed as one of the supporting musicians.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on August 30, 2014, 10:20:04 PM
Carl wilson played an electric piano on The Trader.
Ed carter played a bass guiter mostly, not lead guiter. I think.
Ricky played a synthesiser on Leaving This Town.
Billy played an electric piano on Help Me Rhonda.
And Isn't Charles Llyod to play the flute on Caroline, No?

Ed Carter primarily played bass, but could play lead and rhythm in a pinch. I think Blondie played lead guitar on Rhonda, but someone a long time ago on one of the boards said it was Ed. So still not sure. Carter and Hinsche and Chaplin would probably know right away if they'd heard it.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 30, 2014, 11:54:06 PM
And Isn't Charles Llyod to play the flute on Caroline, No?

Don't think so, as he isn't listed as one of the supporting musicians.

That would be Ricky, or maybe Robert Kenyatta.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Sangheon on August 31, 2014, 07:56:49 AM
Carl wilson played an electric piano on The Trader.
Ed carter played a bass guiter mostly, not lead guiter. I think.
Ricky played a synthesiser on Leaving This Town.
Billy played an electric piano on Help Me Rhonda.
And Isn't Charles Llyod to play the flute on Caroline, No?

Ed Carter primarily played bass, but could play lead and rhythm in a pinch. I think Blondie played lead guitar on Rhonda, but someone a long time ago on one of the boards said it was Ed. So still not sure. Carter and Hinsche and Chaplin would probably know right away if they'd heard it.

Yes, you're right.I know Ed played lead guiter sometimes.
But, I don't know well whether he actually played lead guiter on In Concert album.
The bass line of almost tunes on this album is similer to Knebworth' one.
...to my ears.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Sangheon on August 31, 2014, 07:57:51 AM
And Isn't Charles Llyod to play the flute on Caroline, No?

Don't think so, as he isn't listed as one of the supporting musicians.

That would be Ricky, or maybe Robert Kenyatta.

Thank you, AGD!


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Howie Edelson on August 31, 2014, 08:07:05 AM
This is the greatest message board.
No other band has this.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Orange Crate Art on August 31, 2014, 08:10:56 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Moon Dawg on August 31, 2014, 08:35:24 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 31, 2014, 08:38:52 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.

In another discussion this week Mikie said it was Ed Carter "behind the 8 ball".  :)


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2014, 08:50:44 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.

In another discussion this week Mikie said it was Ed Carter "behind the 8 ball".  :)

If you actually read the quoted thread ( http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10869.msg204656.html#msg204656 ) you'll find that it's Carli Munoz behind the 8 ball
 ( but why would anyone want to do that)


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on August 31, 2014, 09:02:46 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.

In another discussion this week Mikie said it was Ed Carter "behind the 8 ball".  :)

If you actually read the quoted thread ( http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10869.msg204656.html#msg204656 ) you'll find that it's Carli Munoz behind the 8 ball
 ( but why would anyone want to do that)

It was once rumored to be Jack Riley behind the 8 ball...they'd fired him by this point, so that would make sense. Except, bodywise, it looks nothing like Jack Riley.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on August 31, 2014, 09:05:34 AM
This is one of my all time favorite albums and I've been trying to get to the bottom of these credits for a very long time.

The liner notes for the most recent CD seemed to indicate that "Darlin'" and "Marcella" were played "together" live, just as they're presented on the CD.  If that's the case, I would think Kowalski also played drums on "Darlin'", as well as the ones already listed in this thread, since Ricky wouldn't have enough time to switch intruments between songs.  That said, I have a hard time buying that, as "Darlin'" sounds much more like Ricky than Mike.

As for "Sloop John B", I guess the flute is only there for the very beginning, which (along with the playing style) makes it probable that it's Ricky drumming on that one.

Count me in as one who thinks thinks it's Steady Eddie playing the solo on "Rhonda".  That solo sounds completely different from either Carl or Blondie's style and Ed has a long history of shredding on that one in the concert setting.  

That leaves us with the question of who plays bass on that track.  My guess is Blondie since he played (at least slightly) more bass than Carl did at concerts, although there is that cryptic quote from the Priess book, regarding the albums great basslines from "Ed Carter and Carl".   ???

I know Ricky played Moog (including the solo) on the studio version of "Leaving This Town" but the solo on In Concert is well documented as being played on the organ by Carli so I don't know about the Moog.  Is there Moog on the live version?  The playing style of the drums could go either way so I'm not sure who's back there but the stuff behind the solo does sound a little more like Ricky.  I also don't hear Ricky doing his part in the "vocal round" near the end of the song (although I could be mistaken), which also seems to point to him being behind the drums, without a vocal mic.

Can someone PLEASE breakdown the arrangement (and who's singing which part) for "Surfer Girl"??!?  We had a great discussion about the arrangement of the song (including the various differences in its concert setting arrangement over the years) in the vocal arrangemnts thread a while back.  I'm curious to know how it was braken down here.  Is Billy part of it?  Blondie?  Is Dennis singing his original part from the studio recording?? Someone please enlighten me on this.

Finally (for now), can anyone point out some audible (singing) vocals from Dennis on the album?!  I KNOW he's there but I can't seem to pick out any prominent parts or solo lines ANYWHERE.   ???

Thanks for any info and discussion and thanks to wantsomecorn for starting this thread


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 31, 2014, 09:12:55 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.

In another discussion this week Mikie said it was Ed Carter "behind the 8 ball".  :)

If you actually read the quoted thread ( http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10869.msg204656.html#msg204656 ) you'll find that it's Carli Munoz behind the 8 ball
 ( but why would anyone want to do that)

It was once rumored to be Jack Riley behind the 8 ball...they'd fired him by this point, so that would make sense. Except, bodywise, it looks nothing like Jack Riley.



Take it up with Mikie, unless I'm reading it wrong this is what was posted a few days ago:


You know, Nick, if you look at the inner sleeve of the "In Concert" album from '73, Ed Carter was behind the 8 ball. Literally!


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on August 31, 2014, 09:18:23 AM
OK...

Carl plays electric piano on the "In Concert" versions of SAIL ON SAILOR, THE TRADER, and I suspect WE GOT LOVE, LEAVING THIS TOWN and LET THE WIND BLOW. Dennis played electric piano on HEROES AND VILLAINS, clavinet on THE TRADER, and Moog on YOU STILL BELEIVE IN ME, SLOOP JOHN B., and LET THE WIND BLOW.

The tunes I'm sure of Blondie playing bass on here are HEROES AND VILLAINS, YOU STILL BELIEVE IN ME, and CAROLINE, NO. Probably a couple of others, as well.

Despite Robert Kenyatta often being credited in connection with this album as a woodwind player, he is in fact a percussionist. The flute on CAROLINE, NO and the intro to SLOOP is played here by Ricky Fataar. Ricky played pedal steel guitar on MARCELLA (and also CALIFORNIA SAGA, which isn't on this live album). Ricky also played rhythm guitar on WE GOT LOVE (after Blondie left, Ricky switched to pedal steel for that number, and took on the guitar solo with it). While Ricky played the Moog solo on the studio version of LEAVING THIS TOWN, the live arrangement features a lengthy, amazing Hammond B-3 organ solo from Carli Munoz.

In a conversation with Mike Kowalski last summer, he advised me that he played Moog on SAIL ON SAILOR and lead guitar on LET THE WIND BLOW for this album. For the latter part, he said he borrowed Al's white Strat; he made it clear that he played a "supporting" lead guitar role on this song, while Blondie (or "Blondes" as he effectionately called him) played the main solo part. I had read a review or two from the early '70s describing him playing bass on one song...when I asked, he immediately, and proudly, responded with COOL, COOL WATER (which of course isn't on this live album, but I thought I'd mention that anyway).

The album credits only reflect the shows recorded in late summer of '73...some of the recordings come from the winter '72 tour, including the ones with vibes (DON'T WORRY BABY, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE), which I suspect were played by Daryl Dragon.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on August 31, 2014, 09:24:03 AM
Great post!  (although I suspected no less from you :) )

That still leaves a lot of the questions unanswered tho.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2014, 09:38:28 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.

In another discussion this week Mikie said it was Ed Carter "behind the 8 ball".  :)

If you actually read the quoted thread ( http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10869.msg204656.html#msg204656 ) you'll find that it's Carli Munoz behind the 8 ball
 ( but why would anyone want to do that)

It was once rumored to be Jack Riley behind the 8 ball...they'd fired him by this point, so that would make sense. Except, bodywise, it looks nothing like Jack Riley.



Take it up with Mikie, unless I'm reading it wrong this is what was posted a few days ago:


You know, Nick, if you look at the inner sleeve of the "In Concert" album from '73, Ed Carter was behind the 8 ball. Literally!

Why worry about Mikie?  I'm taking it from Ed Roach, who I expect know: 

Sorry, but it's the legendary Carli Munoz behind the proverbial 8-ball.
(And was he ever steamed about that being his 'best' shot on the gatefold...)

That's Munoz?   With his big black 'fro hidden behind the 8-ball?  Well, now we know.....

That wasn't you who took those pictures, was it Ed?

Nope - they were taken by another Ed - Ed Caraeff.  Don't get me started...  Dennis & I had worked for months & months, actually more than a year, on my shooting, and us assembling, a massive collage for the cover, (the original of which I understand has turned up in the hands of a former associate of mine...), only to have them choose that shot of Dennis alone on the cover!  So, same as was the case with Pacific Ocean Blue, I got all hissy & took back all my work.  Guess I sometimes should have bit my tongue, & played the game, but hey - I'm a Brooklyn Irishman, and we sometimes are a little too hasty...


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 31, 2014, 10:06:23 AM
What was posted just a few days ago was more fresh in my mind than 2011's posts!  :)  I wasn't thinking of that discussion and I didn't remember it at all, so thank you for the clarification.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on August 31, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

  That was Dennis, I think.

In another discussion this week Mikie said it was Ed Carter "behind the 8 ball".  :)

Yeah, I was wrong on that. I'd forgotten Ed said it was Carli Munoz a couple of years ago. Sorry for spreading erroneous information.  ::)


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Rocker on August 31, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
Dennis can also be heard dedicating "Surfin' USA" to "all the surfers here tonight" and he sings Mike's part at the end of "Good vibrations". Also you can hear him in the harmonies on some songs.




Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on August 31, 2014, 02:47:50 PM
You know the CD version of "In Concert" includes an additional snippet/fragment from the original audio tape(s) that weren't on the original vinyl version. There's not much, but it sure would be interesting to hear more of that.


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: drbeachboy on August 31, 2014, 02:56:16 PM
You know the CD version of "In Concert" includes an additional snippet/fragment from the original audio tape(s) that weren't on the original vinyl version. There's not much, but it sure would be interesting to hear more of that.
Only the Capitol CD, the Epic/Caribou CD is just like the LP. Also, I never understood why the intro to WIBN was truncated on the original LP?


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: Mikie on August 31, 2014, 03:04:07 PM
You know the CD version of "In Concert" includes an additional snippet/fragment from the original audio tape(s) that weren't on the original vinyl version. There's not much, but it sure would be interesting to hear more of that.
Only the Capitol CD, the Epic/Caribou CD is just like the LP. Also, I never understood why the intro to WIBN was truncated on the original LP?

Yeah, forgot to say that you hear the snippets on the Capitol CD release from 2000.


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2014, 03:37:53 PM
You know the CD version of "In Concert" includes an additional snippet/fragment from the original audio tape(s) that weren't on the original vinyl version. There's not much, but it sure would be interesting to hear more of that.
Only the Capitol CD, the Epic/Caribou CD is just like the LP. Also, I never understood why the intro to WIBN was truncated on the original LP?

Yeah, forgot to say that you hear the snippets on the Capitol CD release from 2000.

As I don't have that CD, what's added?


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on August 31, 2014, 03:48:37 PM
Little snippets.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: bgas on August 31, 2014, 04:01:14 PM
Little snippets.

Ok, Thanxx!!  I'll be thinking about your little snippets while I'm listening to to some song fragments


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on August 31, 2014, 04:55:13 PM
There really needs to be a Beach Boys LIVE boxset with an entire 3 discs devoted to this album and whatever was recorded for possible inclusion....


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: guitarfool2002 on August 31, 2014, 07:52:56 PM
The only thing that would be a concern would be the precedent set by the Knebworth concert release, in terms of "official" concert releases. I doubt this band and all involved parties would be capable of releasing a true, live, "warts and all" recording, not even getting into deluxe box set territory.

What would also be a good candidate, especially in 2014-15 terms and with the historical attachment to boot? Michigan 1966. Warts and all.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Robbie Mac on August 31, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
Little snippets.

Ok, Thanxx!!  I'll be thinking about your little snippets while I'm listening to to some song fragments

You're not really missing that much. Just some extra chatter and guitar tuning, really. The 2000 re-release makes the entire album sound more like one complete show instead of what it was - a collection of live performances from different shows.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Jonathan Blum on September 01, 2014, 12:43:31 AM
Question about the gatefold for In Concert...
Who is the person with the 8 ball over his face standing next to Ricky Fataar? I thought maybe it was Ed Carter but I've never been sure. And why is his face covered up with an 8 ball in the first place? I've been wondering about this for years.

I seem to recall someone in one of the old threads confirming that the 8-ball was a cocaine in-joke (cue Dennis Leary riff on the subject)...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: job on September 01, 2014, 12:24:42 PM
Ricky on drums is what absolutely makes this album come alive.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Bill30022 on September 02, 2014, 01:38:58 PM
Back to Rhonda . . .

Can't Dennis be heard saying "Hang ten" at the start of the electric piano solo?

That always made me think that Dennis played it and with Dennis on the electric piano could it be Billy on bass?


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Bill M on September 02, 2014, 10:02:19 PM
Sounds to me like Mike says, "Oh Billy" & Dennis says, "Billy Hinsche."  I seriously doubt that's Dennis on the electric piano. Sounds very much like Billy's keyboard style, especially when you here the other live recordings of "Rhonda" during that time.  They all sound like Billy to me.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on September 03, 2014, 03:54:49 AM
Sounds to me like Mike says, "Oh Billy" & Dennis says, "Billy Hinsche."  I seriously doubt that's Dennis on the electric piano. Sounds very much like Billy's keyboard style, especially when you here the other live recordings of "Rhonda" during that time.  They all sound like Billy to me.

Definitely Billy on the electric piano. Dennis didn't start doing the "Rhonda" piano solo until '76 (on the grand).


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2014, 12:36:48 PM
Just seeing if anyone has anymore insight to this album's personnel, specifically my questions regarding Dennis's vocals.  As much as I like Blondie and am happy to hear him in the mix, I can't believe how small Dennis's presence is on this record, especially considering Blondie was out of the band by the time of its release.

So can anyone point out specific audible VOCAL parts from Dennis on here?  Does anyone know what the breakdown of voices is for "Surfer Girl", compared to the studio recording?  Did Carl play any bass on this record or is the Priess book just wrong on that quote?  Also (while I'm here), am I correct in thinking that's Blondie playing the first half of the guitar solo on "Surfin' USA"? 

More questions will surely follow as I've wondered about this stuff for ages but I wanted to try one last time to see about those listed above.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on September 05, 2014, 01:03:47 PM
Not to be picky, but Blondie was still in the band for one month after "In Concert" was released.

Can you hear Dennis at the beginning of 'California Girls' yell out, "This is for the girl who brought me here!"

Al on the lead and high parts to Surfer Girl. He and Carl traded off the high parts during that era, i.e. 'Don't Worry Baby'.

And I'm thinking it's Carl playing the intro to Surfin' U.S.A.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2014, 01:26:54 PM
Ah.  I could have sworn I'd heard Blondie was gone before they'd even mixed it.  I stand corrected.  :)

Also, sorry for the confusion but I hear Dennis speaking all over the place on the album, I just can't (and want to) hear him singing.  :-\    And with "SUSA", I agree that Carl plays the intro.  What I was referring to is the "first half" of the full guitar solo (the part that replaces the original record's organ solo).





Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 05, 2014, 01:55:08 PM
Just seeing if anyone has anymore insight to this album's personnel, specifically my questions regarding Dennis's vocals.  As much as I like Blondie and am happy to hear him in the mix, I can't believe how small Dennis's presence is on this record, especially considering Blondie was out of the band by the time of its release.

So can anyone point out specific audible VOCAL parts from Dennis on here?  

He's in the harmony blend all over the LP, no leads though. Probably easiest to pick him out on MARCELLA. Listen to this link to reference my comments below https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObboysPd8M

Listen to the "One arm over my shoulder" bit that begins at :50...then focus on the lower rougher voice that sings the line "over my shoulder" at :55. Now you get a sense of where Dennis is in the mix of voices on Marcella...again this "one arm over my shoulder" round happens at 1:48, Dennis is the roughly textured voice singing energetically all through this...his line "so sweet" is the last in the trail of voices at 2:02. When the "One arm" bit happens in the tag Dennis is there but singing quieter, low, soft, but if you can identify him from the previous bits I've pointed out then you can also find him in that end bit. Check it out.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2014, 01:59:17 PM
Thanks, Jon!  I really appreciate it.  I'll check it out as soon as I'm able.  :)


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 05, 2014, 02:49:09 PM
Did Carl play any bass on this record or is the Priess book just wrong on that quote? 
This has been bugging me too - given that Ed seems to be playing lead guitar on "Help Me Rhonda", either Blondie or Carl could be playing bass on that track.

If I'm right, I think Help Me Rhonda has always been weird with its bass players - that was one of the songs where Bruce would play Bass on even into the early 80s, and also one where Brian would occasionally play Bass on in the 80s, as said in a thread (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16182.0.html) describing the "Chinese Fire Drill" in the 1980s (which, now that I check... was actually written by you. How about that?).

However, later in that thread, c-man says Blondie was on lead guitar and Ed on bass for the MIC Rhonda, which was from 1972, so unless they changed the arrangement over the course of a year, it probably stayed the same.

Really, knowing what Ed Carter played lead guitar on would help with knowing if Carl played any bass the most, but considering the guy has one whole interview on file for  his entire life...


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on September 05, 2014, 03:15:53 PM
"And, the MIC live version of "Rhonda" has Blondie Chaplin on lead, and Eddie on bass (same as the Crystal Palace video that's circulating from earlier that year)."

C-man, how do you know this? Is it based on the close proximity of concert dates? Just curious.

This statement, if it's true, helps to support the notion that Blondie played the lead in the middle of Rhonda on the "In Concert" album, but as C-man suggests, we may never know for sure. I'm sure the players (or are still alive) would know right away who it was if they'd heard it.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2014, 06:04:08 PM
Did Carl play any bass on this record or is the Priess book just wrong on that quote? 
This has been bugging me too - given that Ed seems to be playing lead guitar on "Help Me Rhonda", either Blondie or Carl could be playing bass on that track.

If I'm right, I think Help Me Rhonda has always been weird with its bass players - that was one of the songs where Bruce would play Bass on even into the early 80s, and also one where Brian would occasionally play Bass on in the 80s, as said in a thread (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16182.0.html) describing the "Chinese Fire Drill" in the 1980s (which, now that I check... was actually written by you. How about that?).

However, later in that thread, c-man says Blondie was on lead guitar and Ed on bass for the MIC Rhonda, which was from 1972, so unless they changed the arrangement over the course of a year, it probably stayed the same.

Really, knowing what Ed Carter played lead guitar on would help with knowing if Carl played any bass the most, but considering the guy has one whole interview on file for  his entire life...

Thanks for reminding me of that thread (and the info with in it).  I've been under the weather lately (and starting a new job) but I plan to start compiling a spreadsheet for the album and blocking out the instrumentation and that stuff will definitely come in handy.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 05, 2014, 07:32:04 PM
Did Carl play any bass on this record or is the Priess book just wrong on that quote?  
This has been bugging me too - given that Ed seems to be playing lead guitar on "Help Me Rhonda", either Blondie or Carl could be playing bass on that track.

If I'm right, I think Help Me Rhonda has always been weird with its bass players - that was one of the songs where Bruce would play Bass on even into the early 80s, and also one where Brian would occasionally play Bass on in the 80s, as said in a thread (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16182.0.html) describing the "Chinese Fire Drill" in the 1980s (which, now that I check... was actually written by you. How about that?).

However, later in that thread, c-man says Blondie was on lead guitar and Ed on bass for the MIC Rhonda, which was from 1972, so unless they changed the arrangement over the course of a year, it probably stayed the same.

Really, knowing what Ed Carter played lead guitar on would help with knowing if Carl played any bass the most, but considering the guy has one whole interview on file for  his entire life...

Thanks for reminding me of that thread (and the info with in it.  I've been under the weather lately (and starting a new job) but I plan to start compiling a spreadsheet for the album and blocking out the instrumentation and that stuff will definitely come in handy.

I actually already made a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JIeu-RszH4rRWLOEV1tt24EFek033C4mGfMc0p1m8KE/edit?usp=sharing) for that. It's pretty bare so far, but I guess this would be the easiest way for people to add things to it.

I've never tried something like this before, so hopefully everyone can access it.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Phoenix on September 05, 2014, 07:39:02 PM
Fantastic.  Thanks for getting the ball rolling!


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: filledeplage on September 06, 2014, 05:36:28 AM
Great to see one of my favorite albums discussed!

Still listen nearly every day; and it just never gets old.  ;)


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on September 06, 2014, 01:54:45 PM
This is my favorite live album of the Beach Boys.  My only complaint is there is no Dennis lead. It would've been cool to hear him sing Cuddle Up or something he would do live around that time.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Bill M on September 06, 2014, 06:00:04 PM
Did Carl play any bass on this record or is the Priess book just wrong on that quote?  
This has been bugging me too - given that Ed seems to be playing lead guitar on "Help Me Rhonda", either Blondie or Carl could be playing bass on that track.

If I'm right, I think Help Me Rhonda has always been weird with its bass players - that was one of the songs where Bruce would play Bass on even into the early 80s, and also one where Brian would occasionally play Bass on in the 80s, as said in a thread (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16182.0.html) describing the "Chinese Fire Drill" in the 1980s (which, now that I check... was actually written by you. How about that?).

However, later in that thread, c-man says Blondie was on lead guitar and Ed on bass for the MIC Rhonda, which was from 1972, so unless they changed the arrangement over the course of a year, it probably stayed the same.

Really, knowing what Ed Carter played lead guitar on would help with knowing if Carl played any bass the most, but considering the guy has one whole interview on file for  his entire life...

Thanks for reminding me of that thread (and the info with in it.  I've been under the weather lately (and starting a new job) but I plan to start compiling a spreadsheet for the album and blocking out the instrumentation and that stuff will definitely come in handy.

I actually already made a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JIeu-RszH4rRWLOEV1tt24EFek033C4mGfMc0p1m8KE/edit?usp=sharing) for that. It's pretty bare so far, but I guess this would be the easiest way for people to add things to it.

I've never tried something like this before, so hopefully everyone can access it.

Great job!  Should Daryl Dragon be added to the '72 recordings?  I think it's been established that he played those shows even though he isn't lited in the credits.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 06, 2014, 06:19:17 PM
Did Carl play any bass on this record or is the Priess book just wrong on that quote?  
This has been bugging me too - given that Ed seems to be playing lead guitar on "Help Me Rhonda", either Blondie or Carl could be playing bass on that track.

If I'm right, I think Help Me Rhonda has always been weird with its bass players - that was one of the songs where Bruce would play Bass on even into the early 80s, and also one where Brian would occasionally play Bass on in the 80s, as said in a thread (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16182.0.html) describing the "Chinese Fire Drill" in the 1980s (which, now that I check... was actually written by you. How about that?).

However, later in that thread, c-man says Blondie was on lead guitar and Ed on bass for the MIC Rhonda, which was from 1972, so unless they changed the arrangement over the course of a year, it probably stayed the same.

Really, knowing what Ed Carter played lead guitar on would help with knowing if Carl played any bass the most, but considering the guy has one whole interview on file for  his entire life...

Thanks for reminding me of that thread (and the info with in it.  I've been under the weather lately (and starting a new job) but I plan to start compiling a spreadsheet for the album and blocking out the instrumentation and that stuff will definitely come in handy.

I actually already made a Google Doc (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JIeu-RszH4rRWLOEV1tt24EFek033C4mGfMc0p1m8KE/edit?usp=sharing) for that. It's pretty bare so far, but I guess this would be the easiest way for people to add things to it.

I've never tried something like this before, so hopefully everyone can access it.

Great job!  Should Daryl Dragon be added to the '72 recordings?  I think it's been established that he played those shows even though he isn't lited in the credits.

Yeah, he should. Was he the only different person touring with them at that time? I tried to cross-check with Eric Anniversario's page and AGD's list, but there weren't any lists of backing musicians for the '72 recordings. (Apparently they only recorded four shows over two nights for the single album version.)


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: metal flake paint on September 06, 2014, 07:10:49 PM
Using Bellagio 10452 and Ian and Jon's book as references, it would seem that Daryl may have been present at the November 19, 1972 performance, from which Wouldn't It Be Nice, Let The Wind Blow, Marcella, Don't Worry Baby, and Good Vibrations were used for the In Concert album.

Daryl may also have been present at the November 23 gig, from which Wonderful/Don't Worry, Bill and Long Promised Road were used on the Endless Harmony CD.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 06, 2014, 11:20:12 PM
Thanks for the information. Do you know who the entire lineup for the November 1972 shows were?

I'm thinking it was (based mostly off of what I can remember from Ian & Jon's book, plus the somewhat inaccurate "Beach Boys Lineups" wikipedia page)

Daryl (who was then replaced by Carli Munoz the next year)
Ed Carter
Billy Hinsche (he went back to school in 1973, being replaced by Toni Tenille, then coming back for the Summer tour)
Mike Kowalski
and I feel like there was a different percussionist?


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: metal flake paint on September 07, 2014, 04:39:46 AM
Thanks for the information. Do you know who the entire lineup for the November 1972 shows were?

I'm thinking it was (based mostly off of what I can remember from Ian & Jon's book, plus the somewhat inaccurate "Beach Boys Lineups" wikipedia page)

Daryl (who was then replaced by Carli Munoz the next year)
Ed Carter
Billy Hinsche (he went back to school in 1973, being replaced by Toni Tenille, then coming back for the Summer tour)
Mike Kowalski
and I feel like there was a different percussionist?

I wish that I had a conclusive line-up for that gig. However, Ian and Jon's book provide some clues, so on that basis, I'd add Toni Shearer. I'm not sure if that means Billy sat out that November '72 tour.

Interestingly, there is a photo of Billy and Toni playing in the band which claims to have been taken at the Auditorium Theater, August 1972.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on September 07, 2014, 07:43:16 AM
Thanks for the information. Do you know who the entire lineup for the November 1972 shows were?

I'm thinking it was (based mostly off of what I can remember from Ian & Jon's book, plus the somewhat inaccurate "Beach Boys Lineups" wikipedia page)

Daryl (who was then replaced by Carli Munoz the next year)
Ed Carter
Billy Hinsche (he went back to school in 1973, being replaced by Toni Tenille, then coming back for the Summer tour)
Mike Kowalski
and I feel like there was a different percussionist?

I wish that I had a conclusive line-up for that gig. However, Ian and Jon's book provide some clues, so on that basis, I'd add Toni Shearer. I'm not sure if that means Billy sat out that November '72 tour.

Interestingly, there is a photo of Billy and Toni playing in the band which claims to have been taken at the Auditorium Theater, August 1972.

Yes - Billy played bass on the August '72 tour (Ed Carter sat that one out), so he and Toni were both in the band at that time. For the November '72 tour, Eddie was back on bass, Daryl and Toni were both still with the band, and Mike Kowalski was indeed the percussionist.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 07, 2014, 02:03:20 PM
Thanks for the information. Do you know who the entire lineup for the November 1972 shows were?

I'm thinking it was (based mostly off of what I can remember from Ian & Jon's book, plus the somewhat inaccurate "Beach Boys Lineups" wikipedia page)

Daryl (who was then replaced by Carli Munoz the next year)
Ed Carter
Billy Hinsche (he went back to school in 1973, being replaced by Toni Tenille, then coming back for the Summer tour)
Mike Kowalski
and I feel like there was a different percussionist?

I wish that I had a conclusive line-up for that gig. However, Ian and Jon's book provide some clues, so on that basis, I'd add Toni Shearer. I'm not sure if that means Billy sat out that November '72 tour.

Interestingly, there is a photo of Billy and Toni playing in the band which claims to have been taken at the Auditorium Theater, August 1972.

Yes - Billy played bass on the August '72 tour (Ed Carter sat that one out), so he and Toni were both in the band at that time. For the November '72 tour, Eddie was back on bass, Daryl and Toni were both still with the band, and Mike Kowalski was indeed the percussionist.

Thank you very much, c-man. The line-up changes in this era always have interested me - we freak out now when Matt Jardine misses one show, but back then, people were always coming in and out, changing instruments. I can only imagine what it was like to follow the band at the time.

Now, trying to pick apart the 1972 shows, "Wouldn't It Be Nice", as you say, has Daryl Dragon on vibes, as the only other keyboard I hear is an organ that is mixed pretty low, but comes up towards the end, which I'm assuming is Toni. Mike Kowalski should then be on the congas (especially prominent around the 1:00 mark), Ed on bass, Al, Blondie, and Carl on guitar, Ricky on drums.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on September 07, 2014, 02:15:02 PM
Thanks for the information. Do you know who the entire lineup for the November 1972 shows were?

I'm thinking it was (based mostly off of what I can remember from Ian & Jon's book, plus the somewhat inaccurate "Beach Boys Lineups" wikipedia page)

Daryl (who was then replaced by Carli Munoz the next year)
Ed Carter
Billy Hinsche (he went back to school in 1973, being replaced by Toni Tenille, then coming back for the Summer tour)
Mike Kowalski
and I feel like there was a different percussionist?

I wish that I had a conclusive line-up for that gig. However, Ian and Jon's book provide some clues, so on that basis, I'd add Toni Shearer. I'm not sure if that means Billy sat out that November '72 tour.

Interestingly, there is a photo of Billy and Toni playing in the band which claims to have been taken at the Auditorium Theater, August 1972.

Yes - Billy played bass on the August '72 tour (Ed Carter sat that one out), so he and Toni were both in the band at that time. For the November '72 tour, Eddie was back on bass, Daryl and Toni were both still with the band, and Mike Kowalski was indeed the percussionist.

Forgot to mention...Billy evidently sat in on a couple November '72 shows, hence that shout-out to both he and Daryl during and after the piano solo for "Help Me, Rhonda" on the MIC box set.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Rocker on September 08, 2014, 05:07:17 AM
Rob Dean posted a link to Billy Hinsche's "On the road with the Beach Boys" with footage from '74. Maybe some of the footage helps with the musician credits:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2412.msg474009.html#msg474009


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on September 08, 2014, 08:05:54 PM
Rob Dean posted a link to Billy Hinsche's "On the road with the Beach Boys" with footage from '74. Maybe some of the footage helps with the musician credits:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,2412.msg474009.html#msg474009

Well, by '74 the lineup had changed somewhat...the DVD includes footage from April '74, when the backup guys were Billy Hinsche on piano, Carli Munoz on organ/clavinet, Don Lewis on synthesizers, Bobby Figueroa on percussion/drums, and James William Guercio on bass, and May '74, when it was Billy Hinsche on piano, Carli Munoz on organ/clavinet, Bobby Figueroa on percussion/drums, and Ed Carter on bass.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 08, 2014, 08:26:21 PM
For one thing, it shows that they had four keyboard players on "Trader" - Carl, Billy, Dennis, and Carli.

And also that they really, really, liked backgammon.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 10, 2014, 09:47:21 PM
Does anybody know what Ed Carter played lead guitar on? It seems like we've decided he isn't on the solo for "Help Me Rhonda", and of the three tracks Blondie (definately) plays bass on, he would be one of the additional guitars on "Heroes and Villains" and "You Still Believe in Me" although I only hear one guitar (presumably Carl's) on "Caroline No", so it seems likely Ed, Al, and Mike left the stage for that song.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on September 10, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Does anybody know what Ed Carter played lead guitar on? It seems like we've decided he isn't on the solo for "Help Me Rhonda",

Really?  Who decided that?


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 10, 2014, 10:08:50 PM
Mikie, I was basing it off of this quote,

"And, the MIC live version of "Rhonda" has Blondie Chaplin on lead, and Eddie on bass (same as the Crystal Palace video that's circulating from earlier that year)."

C-man, how do you know this? Is it based on the close proximity of concert dates? Just curious.

This statement, if it's true, helps to support the notion that Blondie played the lead in the middle of Rhonda on the "In Concert" album, but as C-man suggests, we may never know for sure. I'm sure the players (or are still alive) would know right away who it was if they'd heard it.


but now that I look at it again, I realize it didn't sound nearly as solid as I thought it did.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Eric Aniversario on September 11, 2014, 01:32:14 AM
I watched portions of the 1974 dvd that were posted. How long was Don Lewis with the band? I don't remember ever hearing about him till I saw his interview.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: wantsomecorn on September 11, 2014, 02:13:53 AM
I watched portions of the 1974 dvd that were posted. How long was Don Lewis with the band? I don't remember ever hearing about him till I saw his interview.

That DVD covers the April and May tours. Don Lewis (and James Guercio) was only on the April tour. I guess they felt they didn't need him, because they already had Billy, Carli, Dennis, and Carl on keys. He still was a really good musician though, as the tag to this performance of Surf's Up shows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bTemM60hg) - Carl name checks him at the end.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on September 11, 2014, 03:32:00 AM
I watched portions of the 1974 dvd that were posted. How long was Don Lewis with the band? I don't remember ever hearing about him till I saw his interview.

That DVD covers the April and May tours. Don Lewis (and James Guercio) was only on the April tour. I guess they felt they didn't need him, because they already had Billy, Carli, Dennis, and Carl on keys. He still was a really good musician though, as the tag to this performance of Surf's Up shows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bTemM60hg) - Carl name checks him at the end.

Yes, he was an aquaintence of Dennis' that Dennis brought along for that one tour. Billy couldn't remember his name when he was assembling the DVD, but I was aware due to the name check that Dennis actually gave him at the end of a performance of "Surf's Up" on a live tape I had from that tour...so I tracked him down on the 'net and suggested he reach out to Billy, who was delighted to hear from him, and they subsequently filmed his interview footage for the DVD.


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: 37!ws on September 11, 2014, 07:56:11 AM
I would love to know the breakdown of each song -- when and where it was recorded...and I know someone once identified where the cover shot was from, but darned if I can remember.


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: Jon Stebbins on September 11, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
I would love to know the breakdown of each song -- when and where it was recorded...and I know someone once identified where the cover shot was from, but darned if I can remember.
The Beach Boys In Concert book has most of the information you seek.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 09:45:21 AM
I watched portions of the 1974 dvd that were posted. How long was Don Lewis with the band? I don't remember ever hearing about him till I saw his interview.

That DVD covers the April and May tours. Don Lewis (and James Guercio) was only on the April tour. I guess they felt they didn't need him, because they already had Billy, Carli, Dennis, and Carl on keys. He still was a really good musician though, as the tag to this performance of Surf's Up shows (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8bTemM60hg) - Carl name checks him at the end.

Yes, he was an aquaintence of Dennis' that Dennis brought along for that one tour. Billy couldn't remember his name when he was assembling the DVD, but I was aware due to the name check that Dennis actually gave him at the end of a performance of "Surf's Up" on a live tape I had from that tour...so I tracked him down on the 'net and suggested he reach out to Billy, who was delighted to hear from him, and they subsequently filmed his interview footage for the DVD.

Thanks for that. I'd never heard of him before this thread. Is Lewis credited anywhere else?


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: Mikie on September 11, 2014, 12:19:05 PM
I would love to know the breakdown of each song -- when and where it was recorded...and I know someone once identified where the cover shot was from, but darned if I can remember.

The majority of the photos on the album cover/sleeve were taken by Ed Caraeff on April 20th, 1973 at the Hollywood Palladium. Both Brian and Bruce showed up that day and Bruce played on an encore song. Caraeff went to two more shows (November '72 or August '73) to take more photographs of the band.


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: Dave Modny on September 11, 2014, 09:26:11 PM
I would love to know the breakdown of each song -- when and where it was recorded...and I know someone once identified where the cover shot was from, but darned if I can remember.
The Beach Boys In Concert book has most of the information you seek.


Jon,

On a related note, and I may have made this query in another thread to no avail, do you or anyone else happen to have the info for where and when that album's version of "Fun, Fun, Fun" was recorded? Unless I missed it while reading -- and I may very well have -- I believe it was the only track on the album that the book didn't cite (i.e. only 19 out of 20 were listed there).

Or...is that particular bit of info MIA?


TIA!
Dave


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: tpesky on September 12, 2014, 05:22:10 AM
Does anybody know what Ed Carter played lead guitar on? It seems like we've decided he isn't on the solo for "Help Me Rhonda", and of the three tracks Blondie (definately) plays bass on, he would be one of the additional guitars on "Heroes and Villains" and "You Still Believe in Me" although I only hear one guitar (presumably Carl's) on "Caroline No", so it seems likely Ed, Al, and Mike left the stage for that song.

Carl may have played keys on Caroline No.


Title: Re: Breaking down
Post by: c-man on September 13, 2014, 05:38:17 AM
Does anybody know what Ed Carter played lead guitar on? It seems like we've decided he isn't on the solo for "Help Me Rhonda", and of the three tracks Blondie (definately) plays bass on, he would be one of the additional guitars on "Heroes and Villains" and "You Still Believe in Me" although I only hear one guitar (presumably Carl's) on "Caroline No", so it seems likely Ed, Al, and Mike left the stage for that song.

Carl may have played keys on Caroline No.

I originally considered that, but now I'm confident that it's Carli Muñoz playing the electric piano and Billy the acoustic piano on "Caroline, No". The strummed guitar would definitely by Carl. Ricky on flute, Blondie on bass. Ed Carter may be helping with the percussion.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Fall Breaks on September 13, 2014, 09:43:59 AM
Didn't I also read somewhere that the piano on Leaving This Town was overdubbed in the studio due to some technical problem? Therefore, it may not be Carl who played it even though he might have done so live.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: c-man on September 13, 2014, 10:21:48 AM
Didn't I also read somewhere that the piano on Leaving This Town was overdubbed in the studio due to some technical problem? Therefore, it may not be Carl who played it even though he might have done so live.

I would tend to think it was Carl, even if it had to be overdubbed. From what I've read, Carl and Ricky were the two Beach Boys involved in the mixdown. Carl was there every day, so I don't see why it wouldn't be him, since he already knew the part.


Title: Re: Breaking down \
Post by: Fall Breaks on September 13, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
Didn't I also read somewhere that the piano on Leaving This Town was overdubbed in the studio due to some technical problem? Therefore, it may not be Carl who played it even though he might have done so live.

I would tend to think it was Carl, even if it had to be overdubbed. From what I've read, Carl and Ricky were the two Beach Boys involved in the mixdown. Carl was there every day, so I don't see why it wouldn't be him, since he already knew the part.
Thanks! Always loved the sound of that piano. I don't know, it has an almost sinister feel on this song.