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Title: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: clinikillz on March 24, 2014, 04:46:08 PM
I've recently been listening to the Landlocked version of Big Sur. I love it and prefer it to the Holland version, which is also very good. Which one do y'all prefer?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on March 24, 2014, 04:47:27 PM
ooooh! I like both actually.............but if I had to pick?

Landlocked!

RickB


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Cabinessenceking on March 24, 2014, 04:50:45 PM
It's like much of their live material which was revamped in a grittier style (especially Help Me Rhonda) and the two versions are very distinct and both would work well on different albums. The Landlocked version fo Big Sur wouldn't fit on Holland however that does not mean it is inferior to the released version.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 24, 2014, 04:55:22 PM
It's like much of their live material which was revamped in a grittier style (especially Help Me Rhonda) and the two versions are very distinct and both would work well on different albums. The Landlocked version fo Big Sur wouldn't fit on Holland however that does not mean it is inferior to the released version.

Landlocked version is way awesome, but loses a point or two for being just a bit too repetitive for my tastes.

Would be fascinating to learn more about details of the arrangement/musicians for this version.

I still slightly prefer it though, but not to knock the Holland version (which rules too).


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Gabo on March 24, 2014, 04:55:42 PM
4/4... the waltz is too bland


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 24, 2014, 05:06:59 PM
Holland version. I like the production better.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on March 24, 2014, 05:25:57 PM
Holland hands down for me. The early version is kinda boring. Plus I always consider the California Saga as one piece, even editing it to one track. I always listen to them together and it is my favorite Holland song(s) along with the bonus Fairy Tale. :-)


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 24, 2014, 05:39:47 PM
They're both very good.  When the 4/4 was first booted with other early 70's tracks back in the 80's, I played it a lot. It's been on my "released want list" for many, many years. It's been on a LOT of fans' wish lists through the years. To me, the omission of this version of 'Big Sur' is probably my biggest gripe about the Made In California box (and there aren't too many). I think Mike Love is responsible for holding it up all these years. I can't see Al rejecting it. I can't figure out why they don't put it out there - it's a great Mike vocal, the music is great, and the recording itself is of excellent quality.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 24, 2014, 05:45:40 PM
They're both very good.  When the 4/4 was first booted with other early 70's tracks back in the 80's, I played it a lot. It's been on my "released want list" for many, many years. It's been on a LOT of fans' wish lists through the years. To me, the omission of this version of 'Big Sur' is probably my biggest gripe about the Made In California box (and there aren't too many). I think Mike Love is responsible for holding it up all these years. I can't see Al rejecting it. I can't figure out why they don't put it out there - it's a great Mike vocal, the music is great, and the recording itself is of excellent quality.

Makes zero sense, right?

Big Sur is generally regarded as Mike's finest hour by BB fans, and the Landlocked version has long been regarded as a gem by those who've heard it. Or at least a gem in quality terms of unreleased BB tunes.

It's omission is indeed probably the most baffling thing about MIC's track list.

Could Mike somehow not like it, and feel some sort of odd misplaced embarrassment, in the way that Brian didn't like the (widely regarded as awesome) Let Him Run Wild? If that's in any way the case, I can't see why though. We want answers!

The only thing that makes sense to me, is if the band held it back for some sort of future Deluxe Holland release... since if any non Pet Sounds albums could get a Deluxe treatment at some point, Holland and Sunflower would probably be the most likely.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 24, 2014, 06:14:23 PM
They're both very good.  When the 4/4 was first booted with other early 70's tracks back in the 80's, I played it a lot. It's been on my "released want list" for many, many years. It's been on a LOT of fans' wish lists through the years. To me, the omission of this version of 'Big Sur' is probably my biggest gripe about the Made In California box (and there aren't too many). I think Mike Love is responsible for holding it up all these years. I can't see Al rejecting it. I can't figure out why they don't put it out there - it's a great Mike vocal, the music is great, and the recording itself is of excellent quality.

Absolutely. Would love to know why this wasn`t included...


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Custom Machine on March 24, 2014, 11:31:59 PM
Prefer the Landlocked version by a huge margin.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 24, 2014, 11:40:05 PM
The Landlocked version is nice but too busy. It works far better on Holland, stripped back with the humming and occasional harmonica.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: bluesno1fann on March 24, 2014, 11:42:54 PM
Yep, count me in as part of the majority.

I was shocked at how much I liked the Landlocked version, I really don't care for the Holland version!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 24, 2014, 11:55:56 PM
4/4... the waltz is too bland
Sounds like waltz indeed, but it might be false. I read somewhere that some compositions have waltzy structures/timing but I forget what was the name for that case in music.
Answer to the original post: Big Sur Holland. 4/4 is good, only not enough cool (for me). Like Mr. Deprived said, it kinda meanders with no changes. At least in the Holland version we've got harmonica.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: shelter on March 24, 2014, 11:58:21 PM
Easily the Holland version for me. I never understood why most people prefer the 4/4 version.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: slippingonthrough on March 24, 2014, 11:59:27 PM
Holland version. The lyrics just don't suit the 4/4 version. They should've written a new song using that backing track.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 25, 2014, 12:01:41 AM
Big Sur is generally regarded as Mike's finest hour by BB fans...

Not this fan* - the decision to pare it back to campfire basics to fit with the rest of the "California Saga" suite was 100% correct. The so-called Landlocked version is way too lush.

[* - since you asked... "Let The Wind Blow"... "All I Wanna Do"... "Viggie" (the ocarina mix)... "Kiss Me, Baby"]


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: monicker on March 25, 2014, 12:10:48 AM
Landlocked version x17 billion. That is one of my favorite Beach Boys recordings, it has such an amazing feel. Those backing vocals are top notch. I wish they had done more stuff with the drum machine. It's okay that it's repetitive because it's sublime, so what's so bad about repeating a great thing? I think the backing track fits the lyrics just fine. The Holland version, on the other hand, reminds me of Bob Dylan and i have no tolerance for Bob Dylan.

Please, to the powers that be, release the original version of Big Sur.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 25, 2014, 12:32:56 AM
Big Sur is generally regarded as Mike's finest hour by BB fans...

Not this fan* - the decision to pare it back to campfire basics to fit with the rest of the "California Saga" suite was 100% correct. The so-called Landlocked version is way too lush.

[* - since you asked... "Let The Wind Blow"... "All I Wanna Do"... "Viggie" (the ocarina mix)... "Kiss Me, Baby"]


This.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: The Shift on March 25, 2014, 12:34:05 AM
The so-called Landlocked version is dreamy, other-worldly.

But the Holland version nails it. It's earthier, more elemental. And more vibrant.

Hat said I do hope the unreleased version sees the light of day eventually as it's sufficiently good in its own right. I wonder if part of its attraction is the very fact that it remains unreleased so there's a kudos factor in having heard it at all and being able to sing its praises.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Shane on March 25, 2014, 01:10:13 AM
Landlocked version, hands down.  Love the background vocals.  It's just gorgeous. 


My theory- check out the faint sound of crickets at the end of the song.  I think this is how it was supposed to end, with the sound of crickets fading off at the end.  The boot version leaves all the faders up, so you hear the take break down, with other extraneous noise.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on March 25, 2014, 01:41:48 AM
I like them both but the Holland version is the one I first loved. So great right after Steamboat.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 25, 2014, 01:56:32 AM
Big Sur is generally regarded as Mike's finest hour by BB fans...

Not this fan* - the decision to pare it back to campfire basics to fit with the rest of the "California Saga" suite was 100% correct. The so-called Landlocked version is way too lush.

[* - since you asked... "Let The Wind Blow"... "All I Wanna Do"... "Viggie" (the ocarina mix)... "Kiss Me, Baby"]


I'd actually completely agree with you on most of those. But I've only ever heard just one mix of Viggie, and I can't say I loved it (not sure which mix it was).

I guess when I meant Mike's finest hour, I meant in terms of BB tunes that were credited just to Mike (of which there are only a small handful methinks).

But yeah - someone needs to ask Mike why the original Big Sur wasn't on MIC.
Maybe he doesn't know that it's as highly regarded a song as it actually is by fans?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Micha on March 25, 2014, 02:15:36 AM
I love the lushness of the Landlocked version. I'm generally infatuated with the collection of recordings commonly referred to as Landlocked. "Big Sur" is one of its highlights, right after "Lady". Count me in with those who think "Big Sur" is Mike's finest moment, but that goes for the Holland version too, it's my favorite track on Holland. Still if I had to choose one version and never hear the other one again, I'd keep the Landlocked version.

I think Mike Love is responsible for holding it up all these years.

What makes you think so???


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Niko on March 25, 2014, 02:45:01 AM
The Holland version never made an impression on me. I think it's a boring song.

The 4/4 version, however, is amazing, def in my top 10 favorite unreleased tracks. I prefer it 100% to Holland Big Sur.

I think Mike Love is responsible for holding it up all these years.

Curious about this as well. It's a great song, sung very well. You'd think Mike would want to release it to show his songwriting strength instead of whatever 'new' stuff he has planned to release.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: JK on March 25, 2014, 02:45:40 AM
I also feel that the Holland version is the right one for that album. It fits nicely in the build-up through "Beaks" to "California". Its intimacy is better suited (pun unintentional)----much as I like it, the 4/4 version feels too much like a stand-alone track to be part of a suite. As for the harmonica, it makes me think more of a mellow Neil Young than Dylan.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Fire Wind on March 25, 2014, 05:01:57 AM
Holland version.  I find the lyrical/lead melody fit a bit awkward on the other.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Bicyclerider on March 25, 2014, 05:39:43 AM
I feel the lyrics/melody fit the Landlocked version best - as it was the first version, the lyrics/melody were written for 4/4.  They don't fit as well IMO in the waltz.  And I've never liked the suite anyway - Beaks is awful - they would have been better off keeping Big Sur and California Saga separate.  They could follow each other of course.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RiC on March 25, 2014, 07:48:16 AM
Holland version is the greatest, of course. There's a reason why they re-recorded it. Landlocked version is nice, but the Holland one is just awesome. So simple.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: donald on March 25, 2014, 08:30:45 AM
The Holland version is the one.  However, if you have not heard the 4/4, you owe it to yourself to find a copy.  Truly one that should have shown up on a twofer or box   (or has it?). 


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 25, 2014, 08:52:08 AM
The Holland version is the one.  However, if you have not heard the 4/4, you owe it to yourself to find a copy.  Truly one that should have shown up on a twofer or box   (or has it?). 

No, it hasn't shown up anywhere, Don, as I alluded to earlier. Only on bootlegs, i.e. 'Landlocked'.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Orange Crate Art on March 25, 2014, 09:05:05 AM
I like the 4/4 version better. I love the vocals at the beginning right before Mike begins his lead. Having said that, I like the Holland version as well. I just prefer the 4/4 version.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: punkinhead on March 25, 2014, 09:40:25 AM
Big Sur is generally regarded as Mike's finest hour by BB fans...

Not this fan* - the decision to pare it back to campfire basics to fit with the rest of the "California Saga" suite was 100% correct. The so-called Landlocked version is way too lush.

[* - since you asked... "Let The Wind Blow"... "All I Wanna Do"... "Viggie" (the ocarina mix)... "Kiss Me, Baby"]

Where can one hear that mix of Viggie?


Concerning Big Sur, I like the "Landlocked" version best, it seems a lot more positive than the Holland version, in some ways. I also think the Holland version seems a little dark and weary...not a bad thing, just dont to enjoy it for this song.
I do like the harmonica on the Holland version, reminds me of PiaNo Man.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 25, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
Maybe this song shoulda been up for a vote!  Just for fun.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: The Shift on March 25, 2014, 10:06:02 AM
Maybe this song shoulda been up for a vote!  Just for fun.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Like a poll thread? What a lark!  Not completely sure though - perhaps it's worth a vote on whether we should have a poll? What do you think?  Is there a precedence?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: joshferrell on March 25, 2014, 11:05:52 AM
Someone mentioned above the possibility of a Deluxe version of "Holland" that makes sense to me that would explain why both "Big Sur" and "We got Love" are missing from MIC and also the fact that they didn't reissue it a couple years ago when they reissued the remasters..this also makes me wonder if they are planning on releasing deluxe versions of "CATP", "Love You", and "15 BO's" since they, too, would have some unreleased tracks on them as well as demo...


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 25, 2014, 12:21:33 PM
Holland version on Holland. The earlier version on Surf's Up.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: urbanite on March 25, 2014, 12:33:09 PM
The unreleased version of Big Sur is the superior recording and has a real Beach Boys sound to it.   


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RiC on March 25, 2014, 12:39:39 PM
Someone mentioned above the possibility of a Deluxe version of "Holland" that makes sense to me that would explain why both "Big Sur" and "We got Love" are missing from MIC and also the fact that they didn't reissue it a couple years ago when they reissued the remasters..this also makes me wonder if they are planning on releasing deluxe versions of "CATP", "Love You", and "15 BO's" since they, too, would have some unreleased tracks on them as well as demo...
Wow, that's my wet dream. Is that only speculation, or is there some kind of rumour about it? They should add Carry Me Home and Hard Times too. Sorry if this is offtopic.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 25, 2014, 12:46:19 PM
Maybe this song shoulda been up for a vote!  Just for fun.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol
Like a poll thread? What a lark!  Not completely sure though - perhaps it's worth a vote on whether we should have a poll? What do you think?  Is there a precedence?

Wasn't there somebody who complained recently about too many poll threads? I think this deserves a poll thread.

And I agree with the guy who said "Carry Me Home" should be released. That's been on my want list for a couple of decades too.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 25, 2014, 12:53:00 PM
Someone mentioned above the possibility of a Deluxe version of "Holland" that makes sense to me that would explain why both "Big Sur" and "We got Love" are missing from MIC and also the fact that they didn't reissue it a couple years ago when they reissued the remasters..this also makes me wonder if they are planning on releasing deluxe versions of "CATP", "Love You", and "15 BO's" since they, too, would have some unreleased tracks on them as well as demo...
Wow, that's my wet dream. Is that only speculation, or is there some kind of rumour about it? They should add Carry Me Home and Hard Times too. Sorry if this is offtopic.

This is just a rumor I started ;)

Pure speculation on my part. But it would seem to make some sort of sense that the band was "hoarding" Holland-era outtake tracks for some reason. I mean, what individual BB album (except perhaps Sunflower) could have a better chance at a Deluxe edition, complete with hoards of current-day hipster cred, other than Holland?

IMO, I think it's a no-brainer that it's a question of when, not if.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: metal flake paint on March 25, 2014, 03:39:57 PM
27 votes so far:

Landlocked version - 14 votes - 51.85%
Holland version      - 13 votes - 48.15%


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: donald on March 26, 2014, 07:55:47 AM
I have the landlocked lp vinyl but haven't listened to it for some time (cause its buried in my vinyl collection) but as I recall, the 4/4 version has some very sweet BB harmony parts.  I think I'll go home today, dig that out, and have my neighbor make a cd for me with his usb turntable. 


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Quzi on March 26, 2014, 08:25:30 AM
Used to dig the Landlocked version more, but I think that was partly due to it being unreleased. The Holland version suits the conversational tone of the lyrics much better.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Ron on March 26, 2014, 08:56:47 AM
I like the Landlocked version, but the backup vocals are too repetitive.  It's a nuance... they're beautful of course, but it's the same thing 50 times. 

So i'm going to have to go with the released version.  Plus, it's a Waltz.  How can you vote against a Waltz?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Micha on March 26, 2014, 09:14:51 AM
I like the Landlocked version, but the backup vocals are too repetitive.  It's a nuance... they're beautful of course, but it's the same thing 50 times. 

So i'm going to have to go with the released version.  Plus, it's a Waltz.  How can you vote against a Waltz?

Like this: I vote against the waltz! ;D


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Les P on March 26, 2014, 09:50:13 AM
Landlocked version.  The Holland version is too country for my taste.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: clinikillz on March 26, 2014, 11:26:44 AM
Maybe this song shoulda been up for a vote!  Just for fun.

I tried to make this a poll thread but it wouldn't let me.  :(


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 26, 2014, 11:42:50 AM
It's OK, Metalflake's keeping track for us.  :)


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: metal flake paint on March 26, 2014, 02:37:53 PM
Currently equal with 15 votes apiece.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Alan Smith on March 26, 2014, 02:47:11 PM
Prefer the Holland version - evocative, laid back, a bit world weary, intimate and sets a good mood/atmosphere for Beaks and the eventual lift of California

Landlocked version is very good and I'd love to have an official version on hand.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: alf wiedersehen on March 26, 2014, 06:23:10 PM
I'll also vote for the Holland version. It helps that I have an affinity for country music from this era.

Has this song ever been used for a movie? It seems like it would fit perfectly in a film setting.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Steve Mayo on March 26, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
version on holland


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: bgas on March 26, 2014, 08:18:59 PM
version on holland

hey stranger!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Steve Mayo on March 26, 2014, 08:42:14 PM
:wave


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Myk Luhv on March 26, 2014, 08:47:06 PM
Another for Holland, although let it be known I think this question, this forced choice, is heinous since they're both excellent in different ways!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 26, 2014, 08:48:43 PM
Steve's no stranger.  He's just a hard workin' guy.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Steve Mayo on March 26, 2014, 08:52:07 PM
Steve's no stranger.  He's just a hard workin' guy.

yep..mikie's right, I do work a lot but also been going thru a rough spell. but I stopped by tonight for a visit..  :)


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 26, 2014, 09:03:23 PM
Hang tough and have a brewski on me, man.  :)


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Ovi on March 27, 2014, 02:21:16 AM
Easily the Holland version for me. I never understood why most people prefer the 4/4 version.


Not this fan* - the decision to pare it back to campfire basics to fit with the rest of the "California Saga" suite was 100% correct. The so-called Landlocked version is way too lush.

[* - since you asked... "Let The Wind Blow"... "All I Wanna Do"... "Viggie" (the ocarina mix)... "Kiss Me, Baby"]


Agreed 100%.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Yorick on March 27, 2014, 02:55:22 AM
They made the right decision to release the version they did!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: bgas on March 27, 2014, 05:11:35 AM
Hang tough and have a brewski on me, man.  :)

Man, I'd love to put a brewski on you!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 27, 2014, 07:37:41 AM
Can we have a Mikie and Bgas panel at the next BBs convention? ;D


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Bill M on March 27, 2014, 08:31:35 AM
Please put me down for the Holland version.  The harmonica, acoustic guitar, & steel guitar add an appropriate feel, imo.  It goes well with "(On My Way to Sunny) California."  I don't hate the 4/4, just find it a bit syrupy.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: chrs_mrgn on March 27, 2014, 10:12:51 AM
The landlocked version is far superior.

The opening vocal doo doe's and the background vocal in general are glorious.
It sounds much less forced and just flows.

Mike's vocals are beautiful and in fact are probably one of my top 10 by the band.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 28, 2014, 02:21:42 AM
Are the great number of votes for the Holland version the result of some kind of backlash against so many people going apewaste over the original? The Holland version's nice, but the original blows it away in every aspect. To me, there's no recording of a Mike song out there that even comes close to the 4/4 version, and while not Brian Wilson, the guy isn't a terrible songwriter or anything. At least not back then.

I'm not even sure if I'd find the Holland version especially worthwhile if not for having gotten into the original version. The humming/harmonica/etc. are nice, but unlike the original version, I don't find myself missing those additions when listening to the original, where as when listening to the Holland version, I find myself missing a lot of the stuff from the original. I can't help but sing the backing vocals from the original.

The original feels much more Beach Boys-y, too (in a good way). I would not hesitate to toss it onto any multi-disc highlights collection that attempts to span/sum up their career where as the Holland version is just kind of cute in the context of the Holland album.

imo imo imo


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RiC on March 28, 2014, 02:56:28 AM
Please put me down for the Holland version.  The harmonica, acoustic guitar, & steel guitar add an appropriate feel, imo.  It goes well with "(On My Way to Sunny) California."  I don't hate the 4/4, just find it a bit syrupy.
Exactly.
In the Holland version, there's something going on, like unspoken darkness underneath the shiny cover, it's so subtle and every note, every sound and every instrument is just right. Landlocked version comes anywhere near it.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 28, 2014, 05:13:43 AM
The Holland version, on the other hand, reminds me of Bob Dylan and i have no tolerance for Bob Dylan.
Not sure how "Big Sur" Holland could remind you of Dylan, Mike's voice is absolutely different, but I thank you for saying the last bit. Now we're holy trinity of Dylan dislikers; Wrightfan also ignores him like sth. monstrous & tasteless cheap stuff. Dig people who have grits for contradicting the popular notion.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 28, 2014, 05:25:47 AM
Are the great number of votes for the Holland version the result of some kind of backlash against so many people going apewaste over the original? The Holland version's nice, but the original blows it away in every aspect. To me, there's no recording of a Mike song out there that even comes close to the 4/4 version, and while not Brian Wilson, the guy isn't a terrible songwriter or anything. At least not back then.

I'm not even sure if I'd find the Holland version especially worthwhile if not for having gotten into the original version. The humming/harmonica/etc. are nice, but unlike the original version, I don't find myself missing those additions when listening to the original, where as when listening to the Holland version, I find myself missing a lot of the stuff from the original. I can't help but sing the backing vocals from the original.

The original feels much more Beach Boys-y, too (in a good way). I would not hesitate to toss it onto any multi-disc highlights collection that attempts to span/sum up their career where as the Holland version is just kind of cute in the context of the Holland album.

imo imo imo

And I respect the imo imo imo ;)

I like the original version a lot, but in my opinion, there's something slightly "wimpy" about the feel, whereas the Holland version has a more "pioneering" feel, which is what I get out of the intent of the song.

Can I/we also assume that Mike preferred the Holland version? While he didn't produce the Holland album, did Mike have the final say on his own songs?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: JK on March 28, 2014, 05:38:46 AM
The Holland version, on the other hand, reminds me of Bob Dylan and i have no tolerance for Bob Dylan.
Not sure how "Big Sur" Holland could remind you of Dylan, Mike's voice is absolutely different, but I thank you for saying the last bit. Now we're holy trinity of Dylan dislikers; Wrightfan also ignores him like sth. monstrous & tasteless cheap stuff. Dig people who have grits for contradicting the popular notion.
I think the harmonica reminds Monicker of Dylan, not the voice. I'm not particularly fond of Dylan myself. A formidable songwriter but impossible to listen to at any length.       


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 28, 2014, 05:45:50 AM
The Holland version, on the other hand, reminds me of Bob Dylan and i have no tolerance for Bob Dylan.
Not sure how "Big Sur" Holland could remind you of Dylan, Mike's voice is absolutely different, but I thank you for saying the last bit. Now we're holy trinity of Dylan dislikers; Wrightfan also ignores him like sth. monstrous & tasteless cheap stuff. Dig people who have grits for contradicting the popular notion.
I think the harmonica reminds Monicker of Dylan, not the voice. I'm not particularly fond of Dylan myself. A formidable songwriter but impossible to listen to at any length.       

You know, I never realized it before, but Mike Love's vocal on Holland's "Big Sur" does resemble Bob Dylan - around that time period - 1970-1973. And, Bob Dylan was a great, great singer.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Dancing Bear on March 28, 2014, 06:06:14 AM
The 4/4 version we can listen to is very lo-fi, probably mastered from a cassette copy. That said, I think 3/4 fits better in Holland than 4/4 would fit in Sunflower or Surf's Up.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 28, 2014, 06:06:59 AM
I think the harmonica reminds Monicker of Dylan, not the voice. I'm not particularly fond of Dylan myself. A formidable songwriter but impossible to listen to at any length.       
Well, I'd be really surprised if that's so. Bob Dylan isn't like the 1st harmonica player ever in the whole music industry, is he? Not even a virtuoso. Fwiw, Brian Jones was a much better harmonica player.

We are 4 now, yahoo!

Sheriff, we're going to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Dylan being a "great" singer.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: pixletwin on March 28, 2014, 06:29:23 AM
I like Holland version better. The Landlocked version sounds like a Folgers coffee commercial  to me.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 28, 2014, 06:37:41 AM
The Landlocked version sounds like a Folgers coffee commercial  to me.
Don't know about that trademark but actually I too had impression after hearing the 4/4 that it could fit for commercial, maybe "Bounty" (boring chocolate, btw, and I'm a big chocolate fan).


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Bill M on March 28, 2014, 07:16:37 AM
I like Holland version better. The Landlocked version sounds like a Folgers coffee commercial  to me.

Spot on.  Never thought of that, but I completely agree.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on March 28, 2014, 08:08:24 PM
Landlocked doesn't hold a candle to the Holland version.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: metal flake paint on March 28, 2014, 09:52:32 PM
Currently after 42 votes:

Landlocked version - 17 votes - 40.48%
Holland version      - 25 votes - 59.52%


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: chrs_mrgn on March 28, 2014, 09:59:50 PM
Yeah i've been listening to the holland version a little more since i posted a few days ago.

I really do like them both just in different ways.

I think the Landlocked version is better in small part due to the fact that I found it afterwards.
It was sort of like this little secret treasure. It took me by surprise that the beach boys would write a song that sounded like this.
Also I have some memories of driving down the Oregon coast with this song playing.
Whenever i listen to it I sort of have that imagery in the back of my head. So i'm sure that has something to do with it as well.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 29, 2014, 11:15:13 AM
Landlocked doesn't hold a candle to the Holland version.

Huh. Well, a little less than half the people on this thread think the Landlocked version can hold a candle up to the released version just fine. Including myself.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on March 29, 2014, 08:27:55 PM
Landlocked doesn't hold a candle to the Holland version.

Huh. Well, a little less than half the people on this thread think the Landlocked version can hold a candle up to the released version just fine. Including myself.


Good for you. Congrats.
Ever hear of having an opinion?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: jet without wings on March 29, 2014, 09:06:16 PM
Holland version for me. Love the flow of all 3 parts to California Saga. One of Mikes finest moments. The landlocked  earlier version is fine, in waltz time.  Good enough to deserve an official release

Jet without wings


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: rab2591 on March 29, 2014, 09:20:59 PM
I prefer the Holland version, but enjoy the 4/4 version. That Folgers coffee ad remark is spot on though.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 30, 2014, 02:20:38 AM
Landlocked doesn't hold a candle to the Holland version.

Huh. Well, a little less than half the people on this thread think the Landlocked version can hold a candle up to the released version just fine. Including myself.

A little overly sensitive there methinks, Mikie. I think the Holland version is vastly superior to the unreleased version in every respect - and in fact I think that a lot of people who prefer the unreleased version do so simply because its unreleased, its rarity value helping to boost their estimation of it - but I don't get all passive-aggressive just because someone else thinks differently. Opinions, it's all just opinions.




















Although I am right.  


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: The Shift on March 30, 2014, 02:36:32 AM
Ah poop, we're all friends here…

I'm in the Holland preference camp but believe the "Landlocked" version is easily good enough in its own right, as previously stated. The real mystery is why it hasn't seen release on the 94 box, the American Band docu, the Endless Harmony soundtrack, the Hawthorn CA comp or Made in CA (not to mention 10 Years of Harmony etc)… so many squandered opportunities to release a diamond in their unreleased repertoire, and no reasons given (thus far…)…

I like the HOLLAND Deluxe theory but that doesn't explain 20 years of being overlooked in such rarities packages.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 30, 2014, 04:12:26 AM
Ah poop, we're all friends here…

I'm in the Holland preference camp but believe the "Landlocked" version is easily good enough in its own right, as previously stated. The real mystery is why it hasn't seen release on the 94 box, the American Band docu, the Endless Harmony soundtrack, the Hawthorn CA comp or Made in CA (not to mention 10 Years of Harmony etc)… so many squandered opportunities to release a diamond in their unreleased repertoire, and no reasons given (thus far…)…

I like the HOLLAND Deluxe theory but that doesn't explain 20 years of being overlooked in such rarities packages.

Agreed. And you'd think Mike in particular would be keen to see it out there... Doesn't he realise Big Sur, in any incarnation, is one of his very finest 'solo' moments?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: phirnis on March 30, 2014, 04:29:42 AM
By the way, do we know who produced the 4/4 version?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Mikie on March 30, 2014, 08:58:10 AM
Landlocked doesn't hold a candle to the Holland version.

Huh. Well, a little less than half the people on this thread think the Landlocked version can hold a candle up to the released version just fine. Including myself.

A little overly sensitive there methinks, Mikie. I think the Holland version is vastly superior to the unreleased version in every respect - and in fact I think that a lot of people who prefer the unreleased version do so simply because its unreleased, its rarity value helping to boost their estimation of it - but I don't get all passive-aggressive just because someone else thinks differently. Opinions, it's all just opinions. Although I am right.  

Methinks you're wrong on all counts, Disney. When someone exaggerates and makes a general statement and says, "It can't hold a candle to it" after many people obviously like it, I'm allowed to call them on it, right? Am I allowed to give my opinion to counter the opinion? Of course I am, Disney! I'm pretty sure people are selecting the unreleased version not because it's unreleased, but simply because it's just plain very good at its face value, and because they just prefer it over the released version. It's just a matter of different tastes is all. And I don't think the unreleased version is "rare" at all. It's been available on various bootlegs since, what, the mid-80's? Both vinyl and CD. It's hard to believe it hasn't been formally released yet. But thanks for your input there, Disney. Appreciate it.  ::)


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Ron on March 30, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
I like Holland version better. The Landlocked version sounds like a Folgers coffee commercial  to me.

Spot on.  Never thought of that, but I completely agree.

Definately... check it out again and you'll see the b.g. vocals loop like they designed it be listened to for about 15 seconds and no more. 

it's all kind of unfair, beacuse they prob. never would have released it like that, they would have fleshed the harmonies out more. 

still as it stands, the song, although gorgeous, is a 1 trick pony in it's "LandLocked" version.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Micha on March 30, 2014, 10:24:57 PM
and in fact I think that a lot of people who prefer the unreleased version do so simply because its unreleased, its rarity value helping to boost their estimation of it

Not me, boy! I prefer it because it is sonically way superior and a much more interesting arrangement. The Holland version sounds like a Smiley Smile version compared to the gorgeous original version!


The Landlocked version sounds like a Folgers coffee commercial  to me.

Rhapsody In Blue sounds like a coffee commercial to me, because it was used for a coffee commercial in the 80s. So what? That's the reason you prefer the Holland version??? Come on!!!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Alan Smith on March 30, 2014, 10:54:28 PM
Ah poop, we're all friends here…

I'm in the Holland preference camp but believe the "Landlocked" version is easily good enough in its own right, as previously stated. The real mystery is why it hasn't seen release on the 94 box, the American Band docu, the Endless Harmony soundtrack, the Hawthorn CA comp or Made in CA (not to mention 10 Years of Harmony etc)… so many squandered opportunities to release a diamond in their unreleased repertoire, and no reasons given (thus far…)…

I like the HOLLAND Deluxe theory but that doesn't explain 20 years of being overlooked in such rarities packages.

Agreed. And you'd think Mike in particular would be keen to see it out there... Doesn't he realise Big Sur, in any incarnation, is one of his very finest 'solo' moments?

I'd like to know if the tape(s) etc in question are indeed in the vault or are missing, as an xplain for the non-inclusions


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: pixletwin on March 30, 2014, 11:19:14 PM
and in fact I think that a lot of people who prefer the unreleased version do so simply because its unreleased, its rarity value helping to boost their estimation of it

Not me, boy! I prefer it because it is sonically way superior and a much more interesting arrangement. The Holland version sounds like a Smiley Smile version compared to the gorgeous original version!


The Landlocked version sounds like a Folgers coffee commercial  to me.

Rhapsody In Blue sounds like a coffee commercial to me, because it was used for a coffee commercial in the 80s. So what? That's the reason you prefer the Holland version??? Come on!!!

Music can evoke images. The images it just happens to conjure up for me is a cold morning in a mountain cabin. A woman wakes up to find her husband has made her a cup of coffee. They sit down at the table and enjoy their coffee.

A dog runs in wagging it's tail. They smile at it, pet him affectionately and laugh as they take the dog for a morning walk in the forest.

Doo-dee-dee-doo.

Cue Coffee brand logo.

That is what I see when I hear it.


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Micha on March 31, 2014, 01:42:41 AM
Music can evoke images. The images it just happens to conjure up for me is a cold morning in a mountain cabin. A woman wakes up to find her husband has made her a cup of coffee. They sit down at the table and enjoy their coffee.

A dog runs in wagging it's tail. They smile at it, pet him affectionately and laugh as they take the dog for a morning walk in the forest.

Doo-dee-dee-doo.

Cue Coffee brand logo.

That is what I see when I hear it.

:-D The funny thing for me reading this is the image the Love You album evokes in my mind: A fat bearded man sitting at a table waiting for breakfast to be served and farting once in a while... Of course, that's only in my mind.

And what is the image the Holland version evokes in your mind?


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 31, 2014, 01:45:24 AM
And what is the image the Holland version evokes in your mind?

Weed. Lots of weed. Industrial quantities of really, really good weed.  :brian


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: Myk Luhv on March 31, 2014, 02:21:20 PM
I bet Mike could hot knife like a champ back in the day!


Title: Re: Which version of Big Sur do you prefer?
Post by: pixletwin on March 31, 2014, 02:29:21 PM
Music can evoke images. The images it just happens to conjure up for me is a cold morning in a mountain cabin. A woman wakes up to find her husband has made her a cup of coffee. They sit down at the table and enjoy their coffee.

A dog runs in wagging it's tail. They smile at it, pet him affectionately and laugh as they take the dog for a morning walk in the forest.

Doo-dee-dee-doo.

Cue Coffee brand logo.

That is what I see when I hear it.

:-D The funny thing for me reading this is the image the Love You album evokes in my mind: A fat bearded man sitting at a table waiting for breakfast to be served and farting once in a while... Of course, that's only in my mind.

And what is the image the Holland version evokes in your mind?

Re: Love You, I get the same image... only put him at a huge pipe organ rather than the breakfast table.  :lol

The Holland version of Big Sur conjures a hot mojave desert. An eagle flies in and takes me on a tour of the california coast, away from the barren heat to a land of beauty where the rugged mountain meets the water. In other words, it compliments the lyrics. The waltz tempo really changes to whole feel of the song for me.