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Is it me or are there too many poll threads these days? My impression is that an increasing minority clicks on them and a small number of them participate. Could those topics be grouped in a different category? Am I asking too much. Do people care about this?

Maybe a poll to see if there are too many polls?  ;)

Hi Dr Lenny  -

I must say that I am in two minds about this.

On the one hand I find the numerous polls that are present on this forum, nowadays, not inviting. I did not make an estimate of their popularity; they seem to be in the high regions of 'General Discussions', so they must have some attraction to a subgroup of SSnet members - don't know if this subgroup is small and it posts often, by the way. I think my wording: 'not inviting' is apt. I find myself looking up the non-poll topics always, as if I were trying to find the nuggets amidst things that aren't attractive to me. But well, it's a democratic board... and I do wonder if those participating in the polls would continue as they do, should there be a separate poll-section - there's psychology involved in these things.

On the other hand: I have the impression that the board really flourishes when there are 'significant happenings' in the BBs world, such as a very important new (re-)release, concerts and tours of huge interest, DVD releases of these, books. and yes, even serious disagreements between (former) members of the band. In between these surges in newsworthiness, there inevitably are 'silent' periods, we're lulled into inattentiveness and sleep somewhat (well, I exaggerate on purpose) - and then it is to be expected that people try to make a visit to the board worthwhile according to their own preferences. And polls fall into that category, IMHO.

Upshot: it's time that the band reunites again, and Brian releases the Bedroom Tapes, and that the autobiographical movie and book reach us soonish (and Phil Cohen lets the light of his brilliant mind shine over all of this).

When there isn't much to talk about barring speculation about Brian's bedroom tapes, at least it saves us from tiresome anti-Mike/anti-Brian threads.

Yeah, it has gotten to be a bit too much with the polls, I've voted on a couple that have interested me but it seems to have milked every possible variant and it's becoming the same thing over and over again.

Have enjoyed the Survivor polls but we're being overwhelmed now. Logged on a few hours ago and was confronted by around a dozen, all at or near the top of the pile.

Hence my frustration a week or three ago that led to this:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,17172.msg431357.html#msg431357

My first chuckle of the day.  Yes, it does get circular.  I'm doing Survivor too, but now with so many polls it gets redundant.  Let's do it in sections...now let's do the whole career...pre and post Pet Sounds...just the Denny songs...and lots of chatting about last nights homework.  This has been going on for awhile now, and not just with polls.  How can we forget the Mainstream Music Thread so quickly?  I think Rei has locked that one...he likes the power to do that.

The poet of this mess.... ;D

I would love to see all polls moved to their own separate page

Hear Hear!
I wholeheartedly agree with you on the hearing stuff. Granted, there's lesser known songs like Problem Child or a Chasin' the Sky or even Almost Summer...but for the most part, you can find that stuff on youtube or the like. Or even in my situation, where I haven't had the money to buy the MIC boxset...but I've still made efforts on Spotify and YT to hear the newer unreleased stuff, maybe not as much as I'd like to listen to it, but I've still heard it all more than once.

I wish the individual user had the option to hide certain threads. Sometimes the Survivor threads will take up the entire homepage, burying other posts/threads that are actually important. It's not that big of a deal, but it would be convenient to be able to block the threads you don't care about.

I concur!

The entire homepage? It's just three Survivor threads running at the same time.

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This is what I'm referring to. Sometimes the homepage will look like this, even without rockno1fan's involvement. There are only 3 going on at once, but sometimes a lot of people vote around the same time, which clogs the board.

Again, it's not a big deal but it would be nice if there was an option to block threads you don't participate in.

I have always liked polls and surveys since I was a kid. I'm definitely a numbers guy. So I don't mind them. I actually like them. I don't participate in all of them, but it doesn't take much to ignore them if we don't like them. Participation in them would go way down if we moved them. That happened to the "rank the tracks" threads a while back. AFter they were moved, the last one or two had barely anyone participating.

I'm going to start a poll soon and I want it to stay on the main page or in the "General On Topic" section, primarily because of the subject matter.

Oh I see. I always read the board from the General Ontopic Discussions page.

I know what songs everyone likes, so the polls are pretty boring to me. Love survivor, but not the polls. I just don't really read to know what other people think about the BBs rocking tracks, cuz I already understand the consensus on them.

Is it going to mention alot of the Beach Boys, or just a lot of them?

A lot or alot?... :-\

Considering the Mainstream Music thread is Retrokid's, not mine, I have no power whatsoever in locking that thread.

And FYI the thread died, and it was never locked

Good observation, Smile Brian. See, we smart, educated boys know that there's no such word as "alot". Unfortunately, there are a couple of posters who post here (no names) that continue to use "alot" instead of "a lot" in a sentence. I feel that spelling reflects one's intelligence, don't you?

The favorite album polls could have been reined in a lot I think. I remember I was only going to do the Survivor threads one album at a time but I received so many requests to do 3 at a time I figured I would oblige. I hope the Survivor threads don't feel like spam. I apologize to anyone who feels they are.  :'(

These poll rounds are brilliant and great fun!! Ignore the haters.

Heir Hear!

Second chuckle of the day.  Eric's right, if members post where they were originally set up - The Album, Book and Video Reviews and Discussions Threads, nobody goes there much.  More attention to be had in The General On Topic Threads.

Don't worry about it :) We all make mistakes.

I locked the Petition thread because it was geting out of hand, and Jess and I just plain had enough of being blamed for the hacking, especially when I was only trying to help the victims. Plus some members just can't make up their minds, first accusing me of trying to delete the petition to "cover my tracks" and then saying just delete the damn thing already and Saying I was reluctant to delete it!

Oh well. This mess is coming to an end anyway, already sent an email requesting to delete it. Just have to wait a bit until it goes. Then we can finally move on!

For pete's sake, the Beach Boys' catalog is massive.  Must new members feel like they need to know it all before they can contribute to the discussion of a bunch of know-it-alls?  (Seriously, I don't think some of us realize how "niche" this subculture is that we immerse ourselves in lol.)

This forum will die out if "elitist-fans" don't make room for and welcome new "sub-fans"--and that includes their "nightmare" polls and repeat-posts.  Honestly, skip the polls if they so cramp your style.

We should have a poll asking how many people use "a lot" or "alot".

My vote goes to "A Lot"  :lol

Here's an idea that's occurred to me recently as I've watched all these polls overrun the board:

How about creating a Child Board devoted strictly to polls and moving all of them there? Then, the people who love responding to polls can go there and do what they love without becoming a nuisance to those of us who are looking for the more discussion-oriented threads. What do you say, mods?

No need for a poll. 'Alot' is wrong. 'A lot' is right. It'd be like arguing over whether you say 'Iown acar' or 'I own a car' - there's no debate, one's wrong and one's right.

All these poll threads is why I rarely come here anymore.

It's great, I now have a life.

Wow that explains a lot. You used to post around here a lot, but I've noticed you've almost never been around lately.

Really miss your contributions, would love to see you come here more often again!

Yes. I now post over at a Vivaldi forum. Seems no one can mention Vivaldi without comparing him to Bach (who's not quite a overrated as the Beatles, but it's close). Of course for the truly cool Baroque music fan like yours truly, it's Vivaldi all the way. Great forum. Bit of  a problem with all the Boccherini hate threads, but we're working through it.

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There is. It was originally a Bach forum, but the Vivaldi fanboys took over by spamming until the Bachmen left.

I was, of course, being comical.  "Alot" is actually a pet peeve of mine, much like people who use the word "to" to mean "excessive".

True dat. I post at the Vivaldi forum too, albeit with a different moniker. Don't want them over there to know that I obsess over things like 'Ding Dang', or the relationship between Wittgenstein's Tractatus and the wilful self-parody that is Summer In Paradise on an alarmingly frequent basis.

That said, the Red Priest seems to have had some sort of mental collapse in the year 1803 A.D. - he had to cancel the publishing of the sheet music for his intended magnum opus, tentatively called Sorriso. A couple of years later a whole cottage industry emerged, with ardent followers of the composer giving it their best in reconstructing Sorriso, solely from illegally copied fragments of what Vivaldi had carelessly thown away, forgotten, left behind, whatever. Notorious were the many who in the middle of the night rummaged through the garbage bin that was standing beside the artist's little house.

Strange, eh? You don't hear stories like this any more.

Chiming in as somebody would like to see the endless polls put in their own section/sub-board.

yes, of course, this is alot of the reason it's so difficult to evolve the English language: alot of the young punks on dope who cling to the old ways in the face of alot of insurmountable evidence alot of the world is swinging away from them towards the broad vistas of a alot of new experiences. Of course alot of you may try alot of arguments for alot of rights and alot of wrongs, but you'll simply be wasting alot of your time as alot of the new world is chacnging to alot of new uses for alot

Wow...
Maybe it's because it's the proper way. Disney Boy is 100% correct!

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Anyway, I'm going to have to agree with Disney Boy and Eric in terms of the polls. I've always been a poll person, it's always greatly appealed to me.

Though at the same time I can see people not liking it as much. Once again it's subjective.

And this forum wouldn't be the same without the polls. It's one big thing I love about here!

well, of course. As I noted, alot of  the young punks think that way; you're just one in a crowd

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As to the polls, always is such a short time when you're ten

Yeah, I'm 15. Less than a year away from a learner's permit for driving a car.

But thanks for paying attention!

Right then, polls.  And a lot of them.  It's our lot in life.  Don't want to offend our new "sub-fans" (and let's be honest, some of the oldster fans) who seemingly like only half the catalogue, and hate the rest with a vengeance.  They need a place to come to to let the world know how much they hate that "Surfin' Crap" - a lot.  I just like the car songs and the one's about babes.  The Four Freshmen are a bunch of old dead guys.  So 50's, My great granpa liked them - but I don't.  I don't have the time to get through such a massive catalogue.  That would take what?  A week or two, a month?  I don't like songs about Amusement Parks, roller rinks, circus melodies and clowns - or balloons!  Got that?  A ballad here-n-there, but No Rockers!  Don't wanna Dance Dance Dance.  Pet Sounds - yeah, I like a couple of those, if I'm in the right mood.  Brian quit on them after "Good Vibrations" though.  Blew his mind, said he only wanted to do instrumentals.  I don't like those at all, it's the Beach Boys - Got to have vocals.  But I do like backing tracks - go figure.  I like the organ sound they got on Smiley Smile, but that's it.  I won't shell out bucks on a bunch of stoners.  The late 60's...I've read even the fan's didn't like that era.  They hung out with a murderer you know.  I like Sunflower, but that one about a bird at the window blows.  I like the In Concert album, but not the records they made with Blondie and Ricky - except Holland.  Brian was set up on the stage in 1976 as a prop.  Glad that didn't last too long.  The late 70's?  Boy were those Beach Boys spent by then.  The 80's - oh I hate anything after 1979.  What happened to Mike, Brian and Denny?  Most of their vocals make me cringe.  I've heard Adult/Child.  Sounds like Sinatra and it sucks.  I like the Moog on Love You, but then they lost it til 2012.  I don't hear any auto-tune.  That's just how they sound.  I (me) don't even want to touch upon what has been said about the Mike and Bruce shows or way too many of the "Out-side"/Solo Projects.

I agree that if "sub-fans", as we've now labeled them lol, want to contribute meaningfully to this forum, they should probably have real familiarity with what they're chiming in on.  My excuse for not having listen to all of the Beach Boys' records (I've still got a few live albums, SIP, Cruisin, Party, and that 'Merica one to get through) is that I listen to them  s l o w l y.  As a younger fan (24 y/o) who didn't grow up with the Beach Boys, I wanted to digest to their entire catalog as I became a fan--but I wanted to digest it slowly.  So I never listened to a "new" Beach Boys LP more than once a month.  And because I wanted The SMiLE Sessions to be the "finale" LP (not counting the weird albums above), I waited nearly two years to listen to it after it came out!  (It was entirely worth the wait, btw.)  I wouldn't doubt if some other newer-ish fans just like to jam Friends for months before moving onto 20/20 (rather than, say, zipping through Friends to M.I.U. in an afternoon).  I know that I've really enjoyed drawing out my Beach Boys' LP first-impressions.

Not sure if I've wandered off into a tangent, but I just wanted to throw out the possibility that maybe these sub-fans haven't YouTubed every rarity and SIP because they care about the music and just don't like to "get it over with".  And if these sub-fans simply haven't listened to the ole' surfin' n' car songs because they're "hokey", then maybe we can encourage them to see how rad many of those songs/albums really are.  :)  Is that fair?

That's respectable, I like your way of thinking.

Raven,  I used "sub-fan" cause you did.  We can call them new fan as easily.  It was your post that sparked my comic-rant (I hope it came off that way).  I didn't like being considered an elitist, I'm just a fan.  Let me repeat, I'm not better than a younger fan cause I got to live through it.  I hang out here to learn stuff too.  Some criticism is fine, but I've been reading some really hateful stuff here recently, on the music - I don't bother to read much of the personal criticism of the band.  Lighten up.  Why come to the forum if you don't like more than a handful of the songs?  I do look over the polls.  When the recent polls began with the sections (67-69 ect.), that's possible.  Picking one album for a career...it's not as simple as that.  Well this week it's...

Well said. I was going to post something along these lines, but you said it better (as I thought you might, remembering your explanation as to why you hadn't heard Party!) I've been trying to get to know the Kinks 60s/early 70s catalogue recently and there's just too much of it to listen to it all and evaluate it instantaneously. Particularly as a lot of it demands careful listening. You have to slowly absorb it album by album, otherwise terrific understated songs get overlooked, and also the whole process just isn't as much fun. It becomes a chore.

Gets my vote every time. Make it so.

I like the polls, shouldn't Beach Boy fans enjoy comparing what they love about the band with other fans?

I rather like the idea of having a section for polls.  :3d

Polls should be in another section.  and reality shows shoul d all be on one channel on TV.    Lump the crap together, that's what I say

Let's have a poll on that... but where to put it ?  ;D

In Polland.

I started the twofer polls so I guess I'm partially responsible. My own take is that stuff like this is ok but in moderation.  I left 4 or 5 days between each poll so as to not flood the board. The survivor ones are great and seem to have been really popular and stimulated good discussion. The problem is inevitably people that enjoy them simultaneously start new polls, or resurrect lots of old polls at the same time and before you know it you start p*ssing people off. I think self restraint is the key here.

But sure, if the consensus is to put them in their own board then so be it. Does seem a shame to me as the occasional poll would add variety to he main board.

To be honest, I don't care.  The guy wants to post a bunch of polls, I don't like polls or participate, but it's his board as much as it is mine and yours.  It doesn't take any longer to skip over his poll than it does to skip over the other threads I don't care about. 

He's not being malicious or anything, he just likes polls and they're on topic.  I don't see a problem with it.

Occasional is the key word here - currently we have something like 12 running.

There might be some older folks who like polls too  :shrug and then again not every young person likes them either, not everyone is gonna be in the same category.  for me it all depends on what it's about.
I'm a little late but yea I agree they should have their own separate place on the board since there's been so many of them.  it's a good idea  :)

There are 3 ongoing, and those are the Survivor ones.

The rest either died a quick death or ran it's course

Or...the North Poll.

Or the South Poll.

I feel like the polls are almost as much about comparing what people don't love about the band. 

Ultimately, I come to this board for the discussion...not to read lists of things people don't like.  I wish they were annexed to their own section of the board.

For those of us who monitor the board using an RSS reader, here's what the feed looks like nowadays...

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You can't just put everything you personally aren't interested in (that's on topic) in another section of the forum... Or else we'd have already done that to AGD.


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Nahhh....   AGD would stay, you'd have to go

Don't you mean "young dopes on punk"?

How many times is this issue going to be brought up before something is done?

I speak as someone who still doesn't understand a decent percent of the jargon and stories postulated here less than four years after getting into this band.

Between the meaningless counterfactuals, the redundant opinion threads, and the creepy miscreants whom pop in and out on occasion, there is no space for news nor discussion of the music itself. Which is a crying shame, considering that there's literally a decade's worth of info dealing with incredibly arcane and not-too-often-reported aspects of this band's history buried underneath layers upon layers of garbage. Oh yeah, and some of this info comes from those who have directly contributed to their history. A miserable balance of signal and noise; finding needles in haystacks. Of course, it would also be great if there were simply an option to 'hide' threads... like on other certain forums.

This forum is great, it's just very poorly structured. Unbelievably so. What's with this administration's fear of providing additional, indexed loci for repetitive bullshit? And I don't know any other forums where discussion for the very thing its made for is meant to be centralized within a set number of "generalized" topics which can run upwards to hundreds of pages (see: "Smile Sessions Box Set (2011)" and "Album, Book and Video Reviews And Discussions" boards).

It takes a special kind of snobbery to say "Hey, all this info you're giving me?  Sort it how i want it in my mind; it's not worth my time as it is"

I keep coming back to this unfortunate phrase. If any MB doesn't suffer from creepy miscreants it's this one. 

Snobbery?  Or a sincere desire to improve the signal to noise ratio on this site?  What is the harm of putting the polls in their own section?

I pretty much only use the "Show unread posts since last visit" button so putting them Survivors and the polls into their own section wouldn't affect me at all. In fact I would make it easier for me. :)

What is the harm of leaving the polls in this section?

No one is going to change anyone's opinion here. Some say adamantly that the polls should go, some say they should stay. Some are indifferent. What doesn't change is people's stances. All these pages going back and forth debating about this issue seem MUCH more useless and irrelevant than any other thread. What's more conducive to "General On Topic Discussions": a poll thread about Beach Boys music, or a thread about how bothersome polls are? I vote to lock this thread. My 2 cents.

This.

Those who dislike Polls should just ignore them instead of bitching about them. Not everyone agrees with them, and they should just get over it.

I love Polls, as do you Eric and many others. And the Polls are just as much a part of the Smiley Smile Message Board as the Discussions. Take away either the Polls or the Discussion and this forum is doomed. Neither are replaceable, they're both irreplaceable.

If you don't like it, either ignore it or leave instead of making pointless whining threads like this, which BTW should be locked by now!

AHA!!  The future of the poll threads.
Lock the thread  at the same time it's started. Perfect solution

Actually, I think this thread has started an interesting discussion about possible interface improvements that would benefit everybody who uses this board. Even pixletwin is onboard for creating a poll-specific section on Smiley Smile.

And, if this thread is that upsetting to you, follow your own advice:

The best solution for me would be for an option to be implemented that would allow users to 'turn off' threads, and stopping them from updating and appearing on your recent posts section, or as recently updated threads. That way, if you don't want to see a poll thread, all you need to do is turn it off and it won't appear anymore.

Without trying to be ironic, surely the fairest way to decide this is to add a poll to the thread?!

Option 1: Keep the polls & lists in General On Topic Discussions
Option 2: Create a designated Polls and lists sub-forum
Option 3: Keep Polls in General but implement a 'Hide bothersome threads' function
Option 4: Move Polls to sub-forum AND implement a 'Hide bothersome threads' function

Then the mods can quickly see what the consensus is and choose to act or not.

Otherwise it just a lot of vague moaning back and forth with no clear majority opinion either way.

Dr Lenny: The power is in your hands. Go on, do it - Add a poll to your anti poll thread!

I have nothing against polls as such. That said, I tried a couple of the Survivors but found it painful going, having to cross off songs I love, songs written, sung and played by musicians I respect.

A more positive approach, to my mind at least, would be to come from the opposite angle---i.e.,  starting with the least-liked track on the album in question, moving on the second least-liked track but adding rather than subtracting, the last track added (by default) being the winner.

Just a thought...     

I personally don't find anything interesting about reading or participating in the polls, or most of the other threads I've seen here over the last few months.

But the poll threads are just an example of the board offering very little meaningful dialog these days in my opinion.

The folks mentioning the 'signal to noise' I think are onto something. I don't think it's a stretch to say that most readers would agree that Steve Desper recounting a story about a Beach Boys recording session is more 'valuable' than a random Beach Boys fan indicating that they like 'Surfin USA' more than 'Pet Sounds'. And I also don't think it's unreasonable to say that most of the content on this board falls somewhere between these two extremes. That is not to say there is no place for the other stuff, I just think the way the current format is being used threatens the relevance of the board.

So yes, I agree the S/N ratio is really bad these days.

Who cares? Well, we all should I think. When the board is mostly filled with 'noise' (for lack of a better term) posts, then it changes the 'culture', and I think it's obvious that a downhill trend is already in full force. I think the problem here is that many of the 'high signal' posters have either left or stopped posting.

My vote is for a 'serious discussion' sub-forum which is heavily monitored. And the main board can be called 'light discussions' or something, because that's what it is primarily.

You make a good point about the dumbing down chasing away valued posters. I had not considered this aspect. I don't know if separate serious and light discussion sections is a practical solution though. How easy would that be to differentiate? I wonder if it might just cause confusion. Also I think general on topic discussions has always been a mixture of serious and light topics - it's a healthy balance that gives the board character. The eggheads and insiders rub shoulders with the more casual fans and nobody's allowed to take themselves too seriously.

I'm increasingly sold on a sub forum for polls and 'list your favourite' threads. Or if that's too much hassle for the mods could those threads exist in the sandbox?

I'm not going to dignify that with a proper response

That's Ok, you've given no proper responses yet

Okay, yeah, maybe this is getting out of hand.

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that photo is form shagtree.com - what the hell is a shagtree?

Nahhhh. See man, we need these poll threads so we know that 20/20 is the best Beach Boys album everrrr.

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ShagTree is a fun way to view the hookups of your favorite celebrities including who they're dating now and all the juicy details.

also STDs

I didn't know that Mr. Waves has trollish tendencies. Re-opening this thread did by no means any benefit to the main board, it's off-top, off-top & again off-top. There can be people, you know, who didn't get to vote for their favorite 2-fer. What is bad about it? Why then we discount Survivor threads & don't say "maybe it's getting out of hand"? That's unfair, don't you think so?

As of now I'm in agreement that Polls should have their own section in the forum.

I think it's the best solution for all parties involved.

Well, first of all you're the one who made the distinction between the 2-fer voting and the Survivor rounds, not me. So, don't put that on me.
Secondly, this on more on topic than ever. I'm not pointing any fingers or blaming anyone, but there is seriously sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many poll threads. It's obviously due to a lack of any worthwhile news lately, but it's just gotten to be a bit too much lately. It's been all frosting and no filling.

I just want something to talk aboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooout.

But I want you to know which album is my favoritist!!!!!!

There are currently only 3 poll thingies. It equals to "soooooooooooooooooo many", really? Same amount as the Survivor rounds, yet no one said it's getting out of hand? That's double standard if I ever saw one.

Both are included. This is not thread bigotry.

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, then dazzle us with some great thread topics to get the conversational juices a-flooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowin', Bubbly-Boy

Maybe there could be a way for posters to vote the thread off the Island??

Hey, only my mother calls me "Bubbly-Boy"

There was a Vivaldi forum but it quickly degenerated into an I Hate Mike Love Forum.

Looks like we've found Bubbly's new nickname!  ;D  :lol

I see there's a TWGMTR survivor thread. Is it really going to be over soon? Should we celebrate ?

Nope. After this is 4 rounds of Super Survivor and then one round of Ultimate Survivor.

After that, I think there are people who want to play Solo Survivor too...

 >:D

Yes.  Keep the game going with at least live stuff and box sets (do them as they are, or one disc at a time - it would be fantastic!).  We've Got to do the Solo albums...Dennis would win one of those.  Do the Deluxe version, and he could win two!  I would like to do one of the versions of Adult/Child, even if we leave out the tracks done so far.  Example:  I've listened to my 1984 vinyl copy twice in the past week.  My choice for the version to use.  It's like a real album to me.  Bootlegs were very important back then pre-internet.  Adult/Child and Landlocked (as it was known), for me, slips in just after Carl's Youngblood and before Beach Boys ('85).  And it didn't screw with the chronology one bit.  Thanks to the fact the boys were constantly putting old tracks on current records all the time.  Something that I've noticed does bother some these days when discussing on Survivor Threads.  I now think Mike's lead on "Calendar Girl" is my favorite version of this song ever.  The only place you will find The Beach Boys version.  Adult/Child does not deserve to be just an outtakes record.  We need a placement for "Deep Purple" and others.  "Mony Mony" rocks!  Al puts a bit of Neil Young in his vocal on "On Broadway."  Neat.  Neil soon did his own version.  Do you think he was doing his take on Al's vocal?  Survivor is fun and gives us all something to do in lighter moments.  And as this Thread points out we want our voices Heard!  Damn It!  Somewhere!  Be it on the main board or sectioned off elsewhere.  I know you (pixletwin) want to keep it going, as I found the very Thread the other day, where it was you who wanted to revive the game - though I can't find the first version.  Was there a first version, or just a take-off on Rank the Tracks and the Album Threads?  We may disagree (often), but in the end it's fun.  (Didn't he already say that?)

What about a Worst Beach Boys song contest with the songs from the main Survivor contest threads that were voted off first? We can vote off our remaining favourite track each round until the end where we vote on the Worst Beach Boys song.

Nightmare No More!!

Oh Cool!  ;D