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Title: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 11, 2014, 07:13:24 PM
I see references to where the Preiss tape is considered the first SMiLE boot to come to light and I have found downloads and tracklistings for another "Preiss tape" which has about 3 SMiLE recordings and a bunch of other BB rarities on it but I was wondering what the proper Priess SMiLE may have looked like.

I know the release of The Smile Sessions in 2011 sorta killed many peoples interest in boots and different fan mixes but I find them interesting and really enjoy SLN's 1967 mix and the Unsurpassed Masters 16 every bit as much as the official release.   
Thanks for any info on the Priess SMiLE and for putting up with another topic related to that overdiscussed album :)   Nice to meet everyone. 


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 11, 2014, 09:20:53 PM
The Preiss tape (a.k.a. "The Fire Tapes")

Do You Like Worms
Fire (no sound effects)
Fire (sound effects)
Can't Wait Too Long (3 pieces)
Old Master Painter (instrumental)
You Are My Sunshine (no Dennis vocal)
Barnyard (actually "false Barnyard")







Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Tricycle Rider on February 11, 2014, 10:14:44 PM
Hey Mikie,

Do you know who gave titles to the selections on the Preiss tape?

Thanks, Royce  :)


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 12, 2014, 05:17:31 AM
The Preiss tape (a.k.a. "The Fire Tapes")

Do You Like Worms
Fire (no sound effects)
Fire (sound effects)
Can't Wait Too Long (3 pieces)
Old Master Painter (instrumental)
You Are My Sunshine (no Dennis vocal)
Barnyard (actually "false Barnyard")







Thank you!   


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 12, 2014, 08:30:54 AM
Hey Mikie,

Do you know who gave titles to the selections on the Preiss tape?

Thanks, Royce  :)

I suspect one of the following:

1. D. Rovell
2. B. Preiss  
3. J. Deutch    
4. B. Elliott  
5. P. Reum
6. Royce


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 12, 2014, 08:34:47 AM
I know it was the early days and people probably flipped to have ANY tape of the sessions but  a SMiLE without Heroes and Villains and Surf's Up had to be underwhelming.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Loaf on February 12, 2014, 08:40:45 AM
I know it was the early days and people probably flipped to have ANY tape of the sessions but  a SMiLE without Heroes and Villains and Surf's Up had to be underwhelming.

Surf's Up and H&V had been released in some form. None of the tracks on the Preiss tape had been heard in any form. I doubt 'underwhelmed' was felt by anyone!


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 12, 2014, 08:46:55 AM
Imagine seeing these songs discussed in the Preiss book when it came out. At the time, they were unreleased. Also, the rumor floating around from 1979 into the early 80's was that a 6 minute Heroes & Villains existed!

01) Heroes And Villains - Fade (1:09)
02) Who Ran The Iron Horse? (:29)
03) Bicycle Rider #1 (:25)
04) Bicycle Rider #2 (:25)
05) Heroes And Villains - 1st Verse (:46)
06) Let The Wind Blow - Amy Vocal (2:11) - apparently from a 1970 session for Brother Records.
07) I'm So Young (2:11) - acetate of the alternate version on the Today/Summer Days two-fer.
08) Barbara - Piano (1:07) - same as the version on Get the Boot, in lesser quality.
09) I Don't Know (2:27) - mislabeled; backing track for Don't Run Away by Bruce and Terry.
10) Lazy Lizzie (3:45)
11) H.E.L.P. (2:09)
12) Sherry She Needs Me (2:32)
13) New Orleans (2:33) - mislabeled, this is New England Waltz.
14) You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling (3:33)
15) Baseball (2:02) - features part of the count-off.
16) Life Is For The Living (1:46)
17) "Mike Love" (2:23) - the fake David Leaf "promo".
18) Almost Summer (2:06) - the Brian demo.
19) Still I Dream Of It (3:15) - different vocals.
20) Games Two Can Play (1:54)
21) It's Over Now (2:41)
22) Lines (1:34) - different vocals.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Peter Reum on February 12, 2014, 10:52:18 AM
My guess is Jeff Deutsch. I still have that cassette. It is a piece of Smile history!


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 12, 2014, 11:07:14 AM
History is a Smile tape with the Miles Davis "Here Comes De Honey Man" instrumental on it.  ;D


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Phoenix on February 12, 2014, 11:17:51 AM
Also, the rumor floating around from 1979 into the early 80's was that a 6 minute Heroes & Villains existed!

It did!  It was just never assembled onto one reel.  as I've said numerous times, I'd bet my balls that the Smile version of "Heroes And Villains" was the Cantina version up to the end of the tape explosion, followed by the single version, starting with the first chorus.  Add the current intro to "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" (which was very much the "Heroes And Villains intro" until relatively recently) to the beginning and tack on the now familiar ending and you get something pretty darn close to six minutes.  Unfortunately, Brian changed his mind (which is totally his right) by 2004 so that version never saw a proper release.  YMMV


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 12, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Actually, some people back in the day were saying there was 12 minutes worth of Heroes & Villains material out there! We couldn't fathom it. But now we know.

Regarding the 6 minute version of H&V.  I always thought that could have been the single, side A and side B.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Cam Mott on February 12, 2014, 12:45:26 PM
Hey Mikie,

Do you know who gave titles to the selections on the Preiss tape?

Thanks, Royce  :)

I suspect one of the following:

1. D. Rovell
2. B. Preiss  
3. J. Deutch    
4. B. Elliott  
5. P. Reum
6. Royce


I wonder if it wasn't D. Rovell and/or D. Wilson.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Tricycle Rider on February 12, 2014, 04:36:51 PM
Hey Mikie,

Do you know who gave titles to the selections on the Preiss tape?

Thanks, Royce  :)

I suspect one of the following:

1. D. Rovell
2. B. Preiss  
3. J. Deutch    
4. B. Elliott  
5. P. Reum
6. Royce


I figured it was one of the first three, but I'm not sure who. I asked because I'm wondering if it was Diane who named "Barnyard".
Regarding number 6 on your list,  :)

My guess is Jeff Deutsch. I still have that cassette. It is a piece of Smile history!

Thank you Peter, I sent Jeff a PM to ask him. (scrath this Peter, Lee informed me below of Jeff's Passing)  :(


Hey Mikie,

Do you know who gave titles to the selections on the Preiss tape?

Thanks, Royce  :)

I suspect one of the following:

1. D. Rovell
2. B. Preiss  
3. J. Deutch    
4. B. Elliott  
5. P. Reum
6. Royce


I wonder if it wasn't D. Rovell and/or D. Wilson.

Thanks Cam, as I said to Mikie above, I'm really wondering who titled "Barnyard" .

If it was Diane or Dennis, I find that really interesting because despite what the session worksheets indicate, I think Brian was already hearing the "False Barnyard" music for the H&V coda when he demoed it for Humble Harv on November 4th which was 15 days after recording "Real Barnyard" and only 10 days before recording "False Barnyard".

I'm basing this around the idea that the Barnyard section of the demo fits right over the top of the "False Barnyard" track, and doesn't work at all (IMHO) over the track now known as the "Real Barnyard"

If I remember correctly, the lineage of the Barnyard section of the H&V demo over the top of "Real Barnyard" went like this:

SMiLE Shop fan edit>Darian>BWPS>The SMiLE Sessions

Does anybody remember who originally posted that fan edit to the SMiLE Shop?...for some reason, I think it was Audiodrome (Paul)

I'll send you a PM Cam, with some links to demonstrate what I'm talking about.

Royce  :)



Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: LeeDempsey on February 12, 2014, 06:39:04 PM
Royce, unfortunately you're not going to get a response from Jeff Deutch... He passed away back in the fall:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16538.0.html

Lee


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Tricycle Rider on February 12, 2014, 06:48:20 PM
Oh my gosh Lee, I didn't know that. Thank you for making me aware of it.

wow..... :(

I'm glad Jeff got to experience The SMiLe Sessions. I always think of Bob Hanes when I think of that release, and feel bad that he wasn't here to hear it.

Royce


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 12, 2014, 07:10:34 PM
Actually, some people back in the day were saying there was 12 minutes worth of Heroes & Villains material out there! We couldn't fathom it. But now we know.

Regarding the 6 minute version of H&V.  I always thought that could have been the single, side A and side B.

I first heard of SMiLE in the mid eighties watching the American Band VHS with a friend.   Another of my friends was a HUGE BB fan at the time (I was into Beatles) and he told me that Heroes and Villains existed in a FIFTEEN minute version :)     I remember that same friend bought the Box set back in the early 90's and was excited that SMiLE was finally being released on that Good Vibrations box set :)   I reckon only part of it came out on that collection. 


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: doinnothin on February 12, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
Any fan edit where one can hear this?:

the Barnyard section of the demo fits right over the top of the "False Barnyard" track


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 12, 2014, 07:28:23 PM
Can someone please clarify the difference between "Real Barnyard" and "False Barnyard?"


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 12, 2014, 07:34:54 PM
SandmountainSlim.  Welcome to the bored.  Where are you from?  

My first taste of Smile was from the Preiss Tape, which was circulating amongst a few collectors around 1978/'79. I got it from a guy named Mark Plummer and he got it from a guy who currently posts on this board. And as the years went by.......I couldn't get enough:

1978/’79 – First SMiLE bootleg, cassette - The "Priess Tape".
1980/'81 - Second SMiLE bootleg, cassette. Included "Holidays" which was actually Miles Davis' "Here Come De Honeyman".
1983 – SMiLE bootleg, Brother Records, vinyl.
1985 - SMiLE bootleg, Second Edition, Brother Records, vinyl.
1987 – First SMiLE bootleg, CD.
1988 – Mark Linett SMiLE mixes.
1990 – Smile - Japanese T-2580, 2-CD.
1990 - Smiley Smile 2-fer (bonus tracks - Cantina!) Priore played the tape of Heroes a few years before at a Beach Boys fan convention in Oakland, California.
1993 – Good Vibrations box set (bonus tracks).
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 110/111, 2-CD.
1993 - SMiLE - Vigotone 3-album set, multiple colored vinyl.
1995 – Dave Prokopy SMiLE 3-tape set.
1998 - Heroes & Vibrations - Vigotone VT-163, CDR
1999 - Sea Of Tunes Vol. 15 - Good Vibrations Sessions 3-CD boot. First heard alternate Good Vibrations (Asher lyrics) in 1976.
1999 – Sea Of Tunes Vol. 16, 17. Best quality SMiLE tracks to date.
2000 - SMiLE - Millenium edition.
2001 – Archeology.
2001 - Project SMiLE.
2004 - Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE (including instrumental tracks not included on original release).
2004 - Secret SMiLE.
2005 - SMiLE – Purple Chick Reconstruction.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: John Manning on February 12, 2014, 07:50:31 PM
Lovely list Mikie,

Would you include Heroes & Vibrations (Vigotone) and he can-circulated so-called Sea of Tunes Source Tape. And maybe Archeology with that (sorry, dates are all beyond me now) - I think all included previously unheard Smile snippets … oh and one of the Long Lost Surf Songs CDs, which included the first (I think) airing of False Barnyard with the YAMSunshine-related vocals just audible?


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Tricycle Rider on February 12, 2014, 07:52:09 PM
Can someone please clarify the difference between "Real Barnyard" and "False Barnyard?"

Do you have "The SMiLE Sessions" Deluxe 5 CD Box set?

If so, "Real Barnyard" is on Disc 2, Track 4, and "False Barnyard" is on Disc 3, Track 7 (Titled "My Only Sunshine Part 2")

The way they got these titles was, "My Only Sunshine Part 2" was on the 1978 Preiss Tape, where it was labeled as "Barnyard"

Later on in 1993, the "Real Barnyard" (complete with animal effects) popped up (as reported by the Beach Boys fanzine "Endless Summer Quarterly") and made it's debut on the Vigotone 110/111 2-CD format.

After that, the previous "Barnyard" (My Only Sunshine Part 2) became known as "False Barnyard" until the 2011 release "The SMiLE Sessions" where it became known as......My Only Sunshine Part 2!

Gosh, I hope that all made sense to you!

Royce

Check your PMs!  :)


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 12, 2014, 08:08:58 PM
Lovely list Mikie,

Would you include Heroes & Vibrations (Vigotone) and he can-circulated so-called Sea of Tunes Source Tape. And maybe Archeology with that (sorry, dates are all beyond me now) - I think all included previously unheard Smile snippets … oh and one of the Long Lost Surf Songs CDs, which included the first (I think) airing of False Barnyard with the YAMSunshine-related vocals just audible?

Already have Archeology listed, John, but I added Heroes & Vibrations. There's a couple more that I haven't listed, such as the one on Sphinx. Also, one called Heroes & Villains Part 1 & 2. But the material for those was covered on other comps. And there's the Vigotone SMiLE Box Set which was greatly anticipated but never happened because they were busted!! And the endless fan mixes.....


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 12, 2014, 08:14:17 PM
SandmountainSlim.  Welcome to the bored.  Where are you from?  



Alabama.  Thanks for the kind welcome.   My first taste of SMiLE was hearing some of "Fire" on that documentary in the eighties then a couple years later I heard Heroes and Villains on a greatest hits type cassette tape I bought.   The first proper SMiLE bootleg I owned was Purple Chick but I had bought BWPS when it came out.    Since then I have heard many more with the Unsurpassed Masters 16 being my favorite from the Pre-2004 era.    I love the reconstruction on The Smile Sessions but my favorite mix to listen to is Soniclovenoize's 1967 Mix which I prefer over the official version due to Surf's Up being the album closer........I actually think this would be the perfect mix of the album if only You're Welcome were added just before Surf's Up in the tracklist.        I guess my only gripe with the SMiLE sessions disc 1 is the track sequencing.   Same error made on BWPS.   How could Brian and Darian and Mark all three be unaware that Surf's Up is the closing number????   ;D


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Tricycle Rider on February 12, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
Any fan edit where one can hear this?:

the Barnyard section of the demo fits right over the top of the "False Barnyard" track

Check your PMs  :)

Royce


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: John Manning on February 12, 2014, 08:52:56 PM
Lovely list Mikie,

Would you include Heroes & Vibrations (Vigotone) and he can-circulated so-called Sea of Tunes Source Tape. And maybe Archeology with that (sorry, dates are all beyond me now) - I think all included previously unheard Smile snippets … oh and one of the Long Lost Surf Songs CDs, which included the first (I think) airing of False Barnyard with the YAMSunshine-related vocals just audible?

Already have Archeology listed, John, but I added Heroes & Vibrations. There's a couple more that I haven't listed, such as the one on Sphinx. Also, one called Heroes & Villains Part 1 & 2. But the material for those was covered on other comps. And there's the Vigotone SMiLE Box Set which was greatly anticipated but never happened because they were busted!! And the endless fan mixes.....

Ah, sorry Mikie, wasn't reading closely enough … posted that just before 4am here as the weather's keeping me awake!

Aye, Heroes & Vibrations was the taster CD for the Vigotone box that didn't make it out… always wondered what was going to be on that (in my fantasies the Cabinessence vocal sessions… would love to hear more and more of those!) and whether the authorities recovered and returned any tapes of significance to BRI? I suspect we'll never know…


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Phoenix on February 12, 2014, 09:34:37 PM
Regarding the 6 minute version of H&V.  I always thought that could have been the single, side A and side B.

Exactly.  I totally agree.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: AllIWannaDo on February 14, 2014, 06:31:47 PM
I bought the Red SMiLE Odeon CD years ago, it's great, has 30 tracks on it, of which one is titled "The Heroes And Villains Suite (A Musical Comedy) (Stereo / Mono Alternative)" and is 10:04 long.

well worth checking the Odeon CD out
the fronts all in red, and the back can be found "on various websites when searching in google images for example"

 :smokin :hat


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 14, 2014, 08:02:20 PM
It's a good boot for someone unfamiliar or listening to Smile for the first time, no doubt, but I'm not so sure about posting links to unauthorized recordings. Might even be a rule about it on the board.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 14, 2014, 08:10:21 PM


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Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: AllIWannaDo on February 15, 2014, 04:17:26 AM
It's a good boot for someone unfamiliar or listening to Smile for the first time, no doubt, but I'm not so sure about posting links to unauthorized recordings. Might even be a rule about it on the board.

oops sorry about that, i just did a quick image search for 'odeon smile' on google and patched in the link, didnt realise it had the download link for the music too. doh! ::)


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 15, 2014, 09:28:52 AM
Yeah, well, the link is still there. You know how to edit your previous message using "Modify"?  PM's are used for giving people links.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: mikeddonn on February 15, 2014, 10:29:44 AM
I wouldn't worry too much, the Beach Boys management were keen to talk about the boots when promoting the Smile Sessions.  They were asking people to post to the facebook page their stories and upload pictures of boots!  Seems that if it weren't for the bootlegs the Smile legend may not have grew into what it became, and Darian may never have helped Brian with BWPS.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: Mikie on February 15, 2014, 10:36:44 AM
I'm not worried at all. It's not my board, and I'm not an Admin. Most of us have many of the bootlegs already anyway. If you don't, you're not much of a fan.

Most of those websites/blogs haven't been updated in months/years anyway. But they have much more than Smile stuff. And they can be shut down in a heartbeat by the host. No use bringing attention to them now..... 


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 20, 2014, 04:06:25 AM
History is a Smile tape with the Miles Davis "Here Comes De Honey Man" instrumental on it.  ;D

I don't have that on a vinyl edition of SMiLE.

It is entirely believable as a track for the set, it fits the mood. So I was told late last night in some bar by a collector.

Does all of this count?


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: John Manning on February 20, 2014, 04:25:53 AM
History is a Smile tape with the Miles Davis "Here Comes De Honey Man" instrumental on it.  ;D

I don't have that on a vinyl edition of SMiLE.

It is entirely believable as a track for the set, it fits the mood. So I was told late last night in some bar by a collector.

Does all of this count?

I had a copy of a copy of a copy (etc etc etc) of that tape and was completely taken in. And when the truth was revealed to me i went and bought a copy of Porgy & Bess so I had a better quality version to listen to.

Haven't tracked down an AntBee album yet (haven't tried yet to be honest… do they exist?)


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 20, 2014, 04:28:15 AM
History is a Smile tape with the Miles Davis "Here Comes De Honey Man" instrumental on it.  ;D

I don't have that on a vinyl edition of SMiLE.

It is entirely believable as a track for the set, it fits the mood. So I was told late last night in some bar by a collector.

Does all of this count?

I had a copy of a copy of a copy (etc etc etc) of that tape and was completely taken in. And when the truth was revealed to me i went and bought a copy of Porgy & Bess so I had a better quality version to listen to.

Haven't tracked down an AntBee album yet (haven't tried yet to be honest… do they exist?)

What is AntBee?

I don't have it on some faux (of course) 'Brother' album. From the '80s.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 20, 2014, 04:28:48 AM
(double post)


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 20, 2014, 04:36:18 AM
Wait. Perhaps an erratum is in order:

could it be that I have, um, don't have Here Comes De Honey Man on some vague CD drawn from the first (1983) Smile vinyl boot? That would clarify things.


Title: Re: Preiss SMiLE Tape. What was the tracklist?
Post by: John Manning on February 20, 2014, 04:52:04 AM
Wait. Perhaps an erratum is in order:

could it be that I have, um, don't have Here Comes De Honey Man on some vague CD drawn from the first (1983) Smile vinyl boot? That would clarify things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8gZ7QBGyMI