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Title: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: the captain on February 05, 2014, 03:59:56 PM
Lately a few posters have been dredging up long-dormant threads: not a few weeks or months, but years. Sometimes in the past I've noticed members reacting very strongly against this practice; other times, posters rage when people don't do it, but rather begin a new thread on a topic that existed before. What are people's thoughts on the subject? Should old threads be resurrected? Is there a span of time after which it's inappropriate to exhume the corpse? Just curious.

I have mixed feelings. I actually enjoy seeing what people who are still around, myself included, may have said five, six, seven years ago. Conversely, it drives me nuts to see people quoting and responding to posts that were made so long ago by people who often haven't been back in quite some time (and obviously won't ever read the response, much less answer).

What's your opinion on old-threadiquette? (I laughed and called myself clever when I wrote that word. Someone has to call me clever. Why not me?)


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bluesno1fann on February 05, 2014, 08:32:38 PM
I'm assuming you mainly mean me when you say a few posters  :lol

I enjoy checking out older threads. Love seeing what people had to say years ago, and checking out some of the people who are no longer here.

Plus, there have been some really interesting topics in the past. Beach Boys and the Mafia, anyone?


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: musicismylife101 on February 05, 2014, 09:02:01 PM
I don't mind if someone revives an old thread if they really have something relevant to add to it. The problem with reviving old threads is that some people chose to revive pointless ones that may end up stirring unnecessary drama. The point is, only revive an old thread if you have something significant to add or don't want to clog up the board with the same topic.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: Niko on February 05, 2014, 09:18:14 PM
I don't mind if someone revives an old thread if they really have something relevant to add to it. The problem with reviving old threads is that some people chose to revive pointless ones that may end up stirring unnecessary drama. The point is, only revive an old thread if you have something significant to add or don't want to clog up the board with the same topic.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,16045.msg422838.html#msg422838

Perfect example.

But I don't mind old threads being dug up if they're good for discussion. When WIBNTLA came out I bumped the "Would Surf's Up Have Been The Greatest" thread cuz I knew there was quite a lot to be discussed. And a lot was discussed.
So as long as there's a reason for the bumping.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: the captain on February 06, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
I'm assuming you mainly mean me when you say a few posters  :lol

Honestly I don't pay much attention to who is writing what most of the time. And I don't recognize your name. But if it's you, then I guess yes, I mean you!


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 06, 2014, 04:11:47 PM
I'm assuming you mainly mean me when you say a few posters  :lol

Honestly I don't pay much attention to who is writing what most of the time. And I don't recognize your name. But if it's you, then I guess yes, I mean you!
What does it really matter?


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: filledeplage on February 07, 2014, 06:28:20 AM
Lately a few posters have been dredging up long-dormant threads: not a few weeks or months, but years. Sometimes in the past I've noticed members reacting very strongly against this practice; other times, posters rage when people don't do it, but rather begin a new thread on a topic that existed before. What are people's thoughts on the subject? Should old threads be resurrected? Is there a span of time after which it's inappropriate to exhume the corpse? Just curious.

I have mixed feelings. I actually enjoy seeing what people who are still around, myself included, may have said five, six, seven years ago. Conversely, it drives me nuts to see people quoting and responding to posts that were made so long ago by people who often haven't been back in quite some time (and obviously won't ever read the response, much less answer).

What's your opinion on old-threadiquette? (I laughed and called myself clever when I wrote that word. Someone has to call me clever. Why not me?)

My take was that the policy was to check to see if there was a prior discussion thread before starting that same discussion again?

Especially if there are experts or "honored guests" who have posted info to not restart the same topics or issues...


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: pixletwin on February 07, 2014, 07:47:38 AM
If a poster is necroposting a thread with something interesting to say, why not? Just so long as it isn't "I agree" or "that's cool" or some other non-substantial thing.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: the captain on February 07, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
I'm assuming you mainly mean me when you say a few posters  :lol

Honestly I don't pay much attention to who is writing what most of the time. And I don't recognize your name. But if it's you, then I guess yes, I mean you!
What does it really matter?

Who are you asking, and what? Are you asking what does it matter if people dredge up old threads? (If so, then I'm not saying it does, I was just interested in it, having seen different people with different opinions on the topic. Just curious what other people thought.)

If you are asking what does it matter who is the person or people doing the thread-revivals, then I don't think it does (as evidenced by my note that I don't really pay attention to who is posting most of the time).

If you are asking something else, I have no idea what it might be.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: pixletwin on February 07, 2014, 03:34:17 PM
He is asking why it bothers you if someone necroposts.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: the captain on February 07, 2014, 03:40:11 PM
Oh. That's easy. It doesn't.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 07, 2014, 08:33:27 PM
Then everything is cool. Time for Whirled Peas


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: KittyKat on February 07, 2014, 11:05:07 PM
I find it annoying. I guess some people don't. What I really dislike are revived threads with dead links and boxes with red x's where photos used to be.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bluesno1fann on February 07, 2014, 11:20:34 PM
What I really dislike are revived threads with dead links and boxes with red x's where photos used to be.

That part I agree with. Especially in the Last Photos of Dennis and Carl thread. Disappointing


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: Heysaboda on February 17, 2014, 04:35:14 PM
maybe in a year someone will dredge this one up again!

 :hat


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 17, 2014, 06:31:27 PM
maybe in a year someone will dredge this one up again!

 :hat

Let's do it again every six months


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 18, 2014, 02:55:53 AM
Many people revive threads. Relax. :-D


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: SloopJohnB on February 18, 2014, 01:34:02 PM
It's worth resurrecting an old thread if it addresses a very specific question. Otherwise... No, it's annoying.

Case in point:

"Brian Wilson Appreciation Thread" (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,680.msg432357.html#msg432357). Generic as hell, no interesting information whatsoever, 2 pages, died in 2006.

1st post by thread digger:

Brian's a musical genius  ;D

WELL GEE, THANKS FOR THIS CRUCIAL PIECE OF INFORMATION. THIS WAS WELL WORTH RESURRECTING A THREAD THAT HAD DIED EIGHT YEARS AGO.

 >:(


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: pixletwin on February 18, 2014, 01:38:11 PM
@SloopJohnB

That is precisely the type of post I was alluding to in my post above.

If a poster is necroposting a thread with something interesting to say, why not? Just so long as it isn't "I agree" or "that's cool" or some other non-substantial thing.

It really does come of as, not only spam, but attention mongering.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 18, 2014, 03:56:00 PM
@SloopJohnB

That is precisely the type of post I was alluding to in my post above.

If a poster is necroposting a thread with something interesting to say, why not? Just so long as it isn't "I agree" or "that's cool" or some other non-substantial thing.

It really does come of as, not only spam, but attention mongering.

Thank you, Thank you very much


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: pixletwin on February 18, 2014, 07:55:53 PM
My fingers do love on occasion to go clickety-clack. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 18, 2014, 09:40:31 PM
It's worth resurrecting an old thread if it addresses a very specific question. Otherwise... No, it's annoying.

Case in point:

"Brian Wilson Appreciation Thread" (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,680.msg432357.html#msg432357). Generic as hell, no interesting information whatsoever, 2 pages, died in 2006.

1st post by thread digger:

Brian's a musical genius  ;D

WELL GEE, THANKS FOR THIS CRUCIAL PIECE OF INFORMATION. THIS WAS WELL WORTH RESURRECTING A THREAD THAT HAD DIED EIGHT YEARS AGO.

 >:(

I agree


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 18, 2014, 09:53:32 PM
It's worth resurrecting an old thread if it addresses a very specific question. Otherwise... No, it's annoying.

Case in point:

"Brian Wilson Appreciation Thread" (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,680.msg432357.html#msg432357). Generic as hell, no interesting information whatsoever, 2 pages, died in 2006.

1st post by thread digger:

Brian's a musical genius  ;D

WELL GEE, THANKS FOR THIS CRUCIAL PIECE OF INFORMATION. THIS WAS WELL WORTH RESURRECTING A THREAD THAT HAD DIED EIGHT YEARS AGO.

 >:(

I agree

you agree it's a crucial piece of information or you agree it's a tragic miscarriage of justice or you agree it's annoying or what's behind door number four


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 18, 2014, 10:13:49 PM
I agree that bumping an old thread that wasn't really used in the first place is pointless, so I'm agreeing with SJB


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: retrokid67 on February 19, 2014, 03:03:14 AM
It's worth resurrecting an old thread if it addresses a very specific question. Otherwise... No, it's annoying.

Case in point:

"Brian Wilson Appreciation Thread" (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,680.msg432357.html#msg432357). Generic as hell, no interesting information whatsoever, 2 pages, died in 2006.

1st post by thread digger:

Brian's a musical genius  ;D

WELL GEE, THANKS FOR THIS CRUCIAL PIECE OF INFORMATION. THIS WAS WELL WORTH RESURRECTING A THREAD THAT HAD DIED EIGHT YEARS AGO.

 >:(
[/quote/]
if a little thing like this bothers you then...wow.  :-\ I didn't tell a lie did I?  >:( that thread wasn't for "information" it was for appreciating Brian


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 19, 2014, 05:22:51 AM
Many people revive threads. Relax. :police:


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: musicismylife101 on February 19, 2014, 09:28:25 AM
Revive one or two threads with relevant and useful/interesting information = fine with that
Revive a bunch of threads with comments that do not add to the discussion or are unnecessary = no.

Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 19, 2014, 09:47:34 AM

Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

But where's the fun in that?  Tis is still part of a BBs site and they're all about fun fun fun, right?


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 19, 2014, 11:13:34 AM
Revive one or two threads with relevant and useful/interesting information = fine with that
Revive a bunch of threads with comments that do not add to the discussion or are unnecessary = no.

Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

That's how I feel too. Hell on some forums people get warnings for doing that. Not here, though. I myself got a week long ban for bumping old threads, over on a Lost message board


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: SloopJohnB on February 19, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
2 both SloopJohnB & pixletwin: you are entitled to your own opinion as much as anyone here, but those were weak & pointless points. pixletwin, you say that retrokid wanted to get attention by a mere "Brian's a musical genius" comment? But wasn't it called "Brian Appreciation Thread" & she expressed her own, well, appreciation of Brian? Also, I don't see the difference between posting this short bit on an old thread & starting a new one by saying so. Even if retrokid was seeking for attention, it's definitely not for herself, but rather other folks coming in & share their own thoughts on Brian. In the Music section, Luther very rightly noted that making a thread doesn't mean owning it (or sth. along the lines). Each can contribute & enlighten it adding more useful information, therefore, raise the direction of the thread from silly rant to interesting discussion. So, instead of bashing a newbie someone could post crucial piece of information as you, SloopJohnB, worded it (for example, some stories relating the meeting with a Beach Boy).


The comment I was referring to was weak and pointless. Mine had a point: to show an example of what is pointless.

You say you "don't see the difference between posting this short bit on an old thread & starting a new one by saying so". Well, you see, there's no difference. Just as you shouldn't dig up a thread from 2006 to say "Brian is a musical genius", you shouldn't start a new thread either. It would be like going on an automotive message board and starting a thread just to say "I like cars".

Billy is right, there are messageboards where that kind of behavior would lead to bans. I'm not saying we should do this here. I just want to say that it's annoying.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: pixletwin on February 19, 2014, 12:25:44 PM
2 both SloopJohnB & pixletwin: you are entitled to your own opinion as much as anyone here, but those were weak & pointless points. pixletwin, you say that retrokid wanted to get attention by a mere "Brian's a musical genius" comment? But wasn't it called "Brian Appreciation Thread" & she expressed her own, well, appreciation of Brian? Also, I don't see the difference between posting this short bit on an old thread & starting a new one by saying so. Even if retrokid was seeking for attention, it's definitely not for herself, but rather other folks coming in & share their own thoughts on Brian. In the Music section, Luther very rightly noted that making a thread doesn't mean owning it (or sth. along the lines). Each can contribute & enlighten it adding more useful information, therefore, raise the direction of the thread from silly rant to interesting discussion. So, instead of bashing a newbie someone could post crucial piece of information as you, SloopJohnB, worded it (for example, some stories relating the meeting with a Beach Boy).


What does "sth" mean. You include that in nearly every post you make.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: rab2591 on February 19, 2014, 12:31:57 PM
2 both SloopJohnB & pixletwin: you are entitled to your own opinion as much as anyone here, but those were weak & pointless points. pixletwin, you say that retrokid wanted to get attention by a mere "Brian's a musical genius" comment? But wasn't it called "Brian Appreciation Thread" & she expressed her own, well, appreciation of Brian? Also, I don't see the difference between posting this short bit on an old thread & starting a new one by saying so. Even if retrokid was seeking for attention, it's definitely not for herself, but rather other folks coming in & share their own thoughts on Brian. In the Music section, Luther very rightly noted that making a thread doesn't mean owning it (or sth. along the lines). Each can contribute & enlighten it adding more useful information, therefore, raise the direction of the thread from silly rant to interesting discussion. So, instead of bashing a newbie someone could post crucial piece of information as you, SloopJohnB, worded it (for example, some stories relating the meeting with a Beach Boy).


What does "sth" mean. You include that in nearly every post you make.

From urban dictionary:

sth
sumthn, somethin, something
i wanna do sth fun today, im sick of this boring sh*t here


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 24, 2014, 05:31:38 AM
Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
What you said is fair & I certainly didn't get Rei's logic behind opening that thread you're referring to. But we talked about the "Brian Appreciation" topic, and in there wasn't any argument taking place; everyone simply dropped a few words about Brian. So did retrokid, but somehow she was greeted by cold & too serious advisory responses. Don't tell me it's the 1st & only "meaningless" topic having been revived in the all history of the board. I'll again reiterate: the topic could very easily be turned into sth. informative & interesting, since we all have varying degrees of BBs knowledge & different preferences as far as the type of discussion goes (some like talking fun; some analyze the various instruments played live & in the studio; some be dipped in the Mike interviews, taking his words out of context etc. etc.).


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: Niko on February 24, 2014, 06:45:34 AM
Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
What you said is fair & I certainly didn't get Rei's logic behind opening that thread you're referring to. But we talked about the "Brian Appreciation" topic, and in there wasn't any argument taking place; everyone simply dropped a few words about Brian. So did retrokid, but somehow she was greeted by cold & too serious advisory responses. Don't tell me it's the 1st & only "meaningless" topic having been revived in the all history of the board. I'll again reiterate: the topic could very easily be turned into sth. informative & interesting, since we all have varying degrees of BBs knowledge & different preferences as far as the type of discussion goes (some like talking fun; some analyze the various instruments played live & in the studio; some be dipped in the Mike interviews, taking his words out of context etc. etc.).

I don't think its so much the fact an old thread was bumped, its the consistent bumping of threads, or going into an old thread to tell everyone it should have been locked. Its comes across as trying to get attention.
Its ok if you have something interesting to add to an old discussion, or if some new light has been shed on the topic since the conversation has ceased, but if its to say 'i like this!'...eh.
 


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: filledeplage on February 24, 2014, 07:06:15 AM
Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.
What you said is fair & I certainly didn't get Rei's logic behind opening that thread you're referring to. But we talked about the "Brian Appreciation" topic, and in there wasn't any argument taking place; everyone simply dropped a few words about Brian. So did retrokid, but somehow she was greeted by cold & too serious advisory responses. Don't tell me it's the 1st & only "meaningless" topic having been revived in the all history of the board. I'll again reiterate: the topic could very easily be turned into sth. informative & interesting, since we all have varying degrees of BBs knowledge & different preferences as far as the type of discussion goes (some like talking fun; some analyze the various instruments played live & in the studio; some be dipped in the Mike interviews, taking his words out of context etc. etc.).
I don't think its so much the fact an old thread was bumped, its the consistent bumping of threads, or going into an old thread to tell everyone it should have been locked. Its comes across as trying to get attention.
Its ok if you have something interesting to add to an old discussion, or if some new light has been shed on the topic since the conversation has ceased, but if its to say 'i like this!'...eh.
 
Woodstock - I would agree that it is often problem of "consistent bumping..." Just because you can...a lot of older threads are meaningful, and, perhaps for a new member, who might not realize a "good" question has been answered well and by people who have a lot of good information, there is some profound aspect to add to the discussion, instead of a redundant +1.  If you're a newbie, you might not realize some topic "new to you" might have been debated, discussed and resolved.

And, I "lurked" about two years before I dove into the sometimes intimidating shark tank.   :lol



Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: Niko on February 24, 2014, 07:11:43 AM
I lurked for quite a while as well, though I'm still a newcomer even including that time (my first visit was when TWGMTR came out). I spent a lot of time just reading through older threads, trying to understand just "how do people really do feel about Bruce Johnston"  ;D


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: Heysaboda on February 25, 2014, 11:58:17 AM
Revive one or two threads with relevant and useful/interesting information = fine with that
Revive a bunch of threads with comments that do not add to the discussion or are unnecessary = no.

Only revive an old thread if you feel that your input would really add something to it. Also if you see an old thread full of batshit crazy stuff such as arguments that have escalated DO NOT revive it by putting in comments like "That should've been locked" or "What was going on here?" or something like that. Those threads should be dead and buried. It shouldn't be that hard to understand.

I enjoy seeing the zombie threads revived -- I haven't been on Smiley Smile Dot Net forever, and there is a lot that I've missed.  It's pretty easy to skip the ones that are just "too silly"........

By the way, is "necroposting" a real word?  I've not seen that one before!  Cool!

 :hat

EDIT:

Apparently it is!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=necro%20post


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on February 28, 2014, 06:37:25 AM
I don't think its so much the fact an old thread was bumped, its the consistent bumping of threads, or going into an old thread to tell everyone it should have been locked. Its comes across as trying to get attention.
Its ok if you have something interesting to add to an old discussion, or if some new light has been shed on the topic since the conversation has ceased, but if its to say 'i like this!'...eh.
I feel like we are going in circles now. I've already explained myself on every angle of this old threadiquette discussion. Let's just agree to amicably disagree (except the super-black bit).


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: bgas on February 28, 2014, 02:46:01 PM
I don't think its so much the fact an old thread was bumped, its the consistent bumping of threads, or going into an old thread to tell everyone it should have been locked. Its comes across as trying to get attention.
Its ok if you have something interesting to add to an old discussion, or if some new light has been shed on the topic since the conversation has ceased, but if its to say 'i like this!'...eh.
I feel like we are going in circles now. I've already explained myself on every angle of this old threadiquette discussion. Let's just agree to amicably disagree (except the super-black bit).

Maybe, just maybe now,  the whole world isn't about RRA1 and the thought could apply to the rest of the board


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on March 01, 2014, 06:54:47 AM
Maybe, just maybe now, the whole world isn't about RRA1 and the thought could apply to the rest of the board
Thank you for bringing up one of my favorite BBs songs in the post addressed towards me. It cheered me up! Seriously though, you're way off the mark, because what I did was just respond back to Woodstock that we were going to repeat ourselves, as we dropped in exact same points before in this thread. I didn't take his post about resurrection of an old topic by simpleton "I like this!" as a hint to my posting habit. Of course he meant that in general; a good number of folks suffer from this disease - here or other boards.


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: JK on March 01, 2014, 09:02:09 AM
I got ticked off for resurrecting some old threads a while back. But hey, I saw this old Captain Beefheart topic and being a major Beefheart fan I went for it. And a bunch of others posters followed suit, with most sensible and enlightening posts. I think "sensible" is the key word here. (Thinks: Must resurrect it again some time.)


Title: Re: Old-Threadiquette (tm)
Post by: JK on March 16, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
As evidence that resurrecting old threads with red warning messages need not be a bad thing, see the "Favorite Instrumentals" topic, which I dug up yesterday.