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Title: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on October 05, 2013, 01:46:19 PM I did a quick search on the board and couldn't find a proper topic dedicated to just general Kinks discussion. Thus one was needed!
So anyway, The Kinks, probably one of the most under appreciated groups of all time outside of the few known hits! What would you say is their best era? Best album? What needs to be released, and what do you find sets them apart from everyone else? I always find the favourite album question a tough call, but usually answer the question with Arthur. Shangri-La is one of the greatest songs I've ever heard by anyone, and is there a more carefree song than Drivin'? And the Beach Boys references in Australia are something I clearly appreciate. Anything from Kontroversy up to Muswell Hillbilles is pure gold, and there's still some great stuff beyond that. Sleepwalker is a hidden gem for sure! I was also lucky enough to be at Ray's 'Mastertapes' Interview/Acoustic Show for Radio 4 at the end of last year, which was certainly a bizarre experience to have him sat there in his trainers and unkempt wollen fleece. Great as ever though. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on October 05, 2013, 02:09:30 PM Their best era, I would say, definitely has to be 65-71. As much as I love The Village Green Preservation Society, my favorite album would have to be Something Else by The Kinks.. by the Kinks; first album of theirs I listened to.
I have Arthur and I've listened to it once or twice, but I wasn't really grabbed by it like I was the other two albums I own. I'll have to give it more tries, I s'pose. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: EgoHanger1966 on October 05, 2013, 02:26:22 PM my favorite album would have to be Something Else by The Kinks.. by the Kinks; . This is the one. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Domino on October 05, 2013, 02:39:19 PM The Kinks best album is probably Village Green. But I think they have many VERY underrated albums in the 70s, especially Soap Opera and Low Budget.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Sheriff John Stone on October 05, 2013, 04:13:20 PM Dave Davies has recovered sufficiently enough from his stroke that he played some small solo gigs earlier in 2013 and is going on another short solo tour in November.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on October 05, 2013, 11:04:47 PM Their best era, I would say, definitely has to be 65-71. As much as I love The Village Green Preservation Society, my favorite album would have to be Something Else by The Kinks.. by the Kinks; first album of theirs I listened to. I have Arthur and I've listened to it once or twice, but I wasn't really grabbed by it like I was the other two albums I own. I'll hive to give it more tries, I s'pose. I like Something Else a lot but I think Dave's tracks dilutes it. His songs just aren't as good as Ray's. I play Village Green much more than Something Else, but both are excellent. GOD SAVE THE KINKS Besides Village Green and Something Else, I only have The Essential Collection. I will probably buy Muswell next, because of the track Have A Cuppa Tea, which I don't already own. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Rocky Raccoon on October 05, 2013, 11:33:29 PM Can it be? http://www.theguardian.com/music/2013/oct/04/kinks-tour-2014-ray-dave-davies
I would love to see a reunion, hopefully it would also include Mick Avory, Jim Rodford, and Ian Gibbons. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: bluesno1fann on October 06, 2013, 01:25:11 AM My favourite era of the Kinks would be the 1986 to 1993 with their last great albums..... said NO ONE EVER!
In all seriousness, their best era was from 1964 to 1971, some of their albums from that era are just brilliant. But I like the hit singles the most Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on October 06, 2013, 03:37:55 AM Ray said it best at the interview I saw:
"No group failed, time and time again, as much as The Kinks" Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on October 06, 2013, 02:16:29 PM Ray said it best at the interview I saw: "No group failed, time and time again, as much as The Kinks" Yeah, it's pretty sad from about 1968 on the band was commercially dead in the water, aside from the occasional hit like "Lola." I really feel like The Kinks need to reissue their music in the US and go on a big advertizing blitz. It's time for The Kinks to become accepted by a wider audience outside of the UK. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Vegetable Man on October 06, 2013, 06:33:19 PM Man, The Kinks are such an odd group, and I love 'em. Their albums from 65-71 are fantastic."Village Green Preservation Society" is one of those rare albums that I can pick up and listen to at any time. It reminds me a lot of "Friends", another album I can listen to without having to be in a 'mood' or whatever. And don't even get me started on their singles. "Autumn Almanac" and "Waterloo Sunset" were probably two of the best singles of '67. Even after the concept albums started, they could still churn out a pretty good song or two. Good gracious. The story of the Kinks truly is a long and bumpy one. God Save the Kinks indeed.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Rocky Raccoon on October 06, 2013, 08:47:04 PM Yeah, it's pretty sad from about 1968 on the band was commercially dead in the water, aside from the occasional hit like "Lola." Not necessarily. The Low Budget and State of Confusion albums were actually pretty big hits. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 07, 2013, 12:24:14 AM Their best era, I would say, definitely has to be 65-71. As much as I love The Village Green Preservation Society, my favorite album would have to be Something Else by The Kinks.. by the Kinks; first album of theirs I listened to. I have Arthur and I've listened to it once or twice, but I wasn't really grabbed by it like I was the other two albums I own. I'll hive to give it more tries, I s'pose. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 07, 2013, 02:49:12 PM I actually dig their comeback era from Sleepwalker through Word Of Mouth!
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: pixletwin on October 07, 2013, 02:53:24 PM The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society is one of my all time favorite albums.
Also Picture Book is brilliant. That is all. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on October 08, 2013, 05:11:55 AM Fun fact:
Picture Book - The Kinks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaah-T0PBD0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aaah-T0PBD0) Warning - Green Day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKBU6gOlgR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKBU6gOlgR4) Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: pixletwin on October 08, 2013, 10:13:57 AM Da Dirty Rip Offs. :lol
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 08, 2013, 11:53:21 AM Lola is actually one of my all-time favorite albums by anyone ever!
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 08, 2013, 10:43:37 PM I actually dig their comeback era from Sleepwalker through Word Of Mouth! We all agree that their 60's stuff is classic, but I grew up with the latter day Kinks music, so it's the stuff I have the most personal attachment to. I remember driving around in the summer with the State of Confusion cassette playing in a friend's car, still one of the best albums they ever did. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on October 14, 2013, 09:34:50 AM Proof that post classic Kinks still could eat the average band for breakfast. Dave is God here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzjoqpTqSR4 Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on October 14, 2013, 10:32:08 AM Have discussed the Kinks on many a Beach Boys message board, pointing out the similarities between the two great(est) bands. For starters, Ray and Brian have the same middle name ;). But more to the point, siblings in the band, early commercial burst followed by horrible sales in what many consider their peak years artistically, years of touring lead to crack live performing, then followed by a resurgence of popularity in mid-70s to early/mid 80s. Both bands should be considered and rewarded as in the very top pantheon of bands (Beatles/Stones/Who/Zep etc.) but for various reasons -- including a nonpareil ability for self sabotage -- that is nowhere near the case.
And yet they are my very two favorite bands. Partially because of a great vulnerability, whimsy, and gentle strength at the heart of their greatest songs and performances. Which isn't to say that they couldn't rock, cos they could. One of my first LPs was the "Kinks Greatest Hits", with "All Day and All of the Night" and all that and it blew my mind. I caught up again after seeing them live in '74 touring behind the fairly lame "Soap Opera", but whatta show. I then was able to get "Kinks Kronikles" (where to start) and then discover "Something Else", Arthur", "Village Green" and so forth. My vote for the great ignored Kinks album would be "Schoolboys in Disgrace." Pretty much every LP in their latter days has at least a few good to great tracks. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Moon Dawg on October 14, 2013, 11:12:50 AM The Kinks have a BIG anniversary coming up. Like The Beach Boys and The Rolling Stones, they are set to go "where no rock band have gone before" - the big 50. Hope we see Dave, Ray, Mick Avory, and assorted Kinks from over the years on tour in 2014!
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 14, 2013, 12:20:30 PM I'm not holding my breath - Dave and Mick never liked each other, and still don't want to work together; Dave thinks he and Ray should tour again, but doesn't want to be locked up in a studio 24/7 with his older brother; Ray, on the other hand, doesn't want to do a reunion unless there is new music involved.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Moon Dawg on October 14, 2013, 12:34:16 PM Somehow I think they'll find a way. Dave's dislike of Mick Avory has always annoyed me, btw.
As always, God Save The Kinks. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 14, 2013, 01:06:55 PM I'm not holding my breath - Dave and Mick never liked each other, and still don't want to work together; Dave thinks he and Ray should tour again, but doesn't want to be locked up in a studio 24/7 with his older brother; Ray, on the other hand, doesn't want to do a reunion unless there is new music involved. That's funny because Ray's talked recently about some ongoing "pet" project he and Mick have going on. I saw Dave play in LA many years ago and someone yelled out "Waterloo Sunset" and Dave said "Ray wrote that one: the c***" ..... But then he did a gorgeous version of it all by himself. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 14, 2013, 11:51:46 PM Mick seems like an affable sort of fellow, don't know what it is that makes Dave hate him - the only thing I can come up with is that Mick was buddies with Ray, and tended to side with Ray during arguments. I think Mick's way was always to choose the path of least resistance. Great drummer, really underappreciated. Any time talk turns to the Kinks, Ray's songwriting becomes the focus, and occasionally Dave's guitar playing and harmonies, but Mick and Pete were very important in the early years of the group. Dave and Pete liked to go out and party together. After Pete left, Dave tended to be alone a lot of the time, got more introverted. Relatively speaking, of course. During the 60's, I don't think Dave ever met a pill he wasn't willing to take, or a person - male or female - he didn't want to sleep with.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 15, 2013, 12:00:52 PM Mick seems like an affable sort of fellow, don't know what it is that makes Dave hate him - the only thing I can come up with is that Mick was buddies with Ray, and tended to side with Ray during arguments. I think Mick's way was always to choose the path of least resistance. Great drummer, really underappreciated. Any time talk turns to the Kinks, Ray's songwriting becomes the focus, and occasionally Dave's guitar playing and harmonies, but Mick and Pete were very important in the early years of the group. Dave and Pete liked to go out and party together. After Pete left, Dave tended to be alone a lot of the time, got more introverted. Relatively speaking, of course. During the 60's, I don't think Dave ever met a pill he wasn't willing to take, or a person - male or female - he didn't want to sleep with. Or alien creature he wouldn't let himself be probed by >:D It's funny that it was Ray who was the final straw for Mick..... According to Dave, they were recording in the mid 80's and were giving Mick a hard time and Ray said "I wonder how long it takes a thought to get from Mick's head down to his hands" ... unaware that Mick could hear him over the talk-back. So, he promptly rushed in and gave Ray a royal beating. Mick belongs right up there with Ringo and Charlie Watts, thought the dirty little secret is, he was better than both of them. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on October 15, 2013, 12:05:41 PM Mick's drumming on the Arthur album is incredible. 'nuff said.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 15, 2013, 02:08:35 PM I'm unfamiliar with the story of Mick's departure, was always told it was the friction between he and Dave that caused the split. Okay, not I gotta go listen to Arthur again - love his playing on "Australia".
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 15, 2013, 02:15:53 PM I'm unfamiliar with the story of Mick's departure, was always told it was the friction between he and Dave that caused the split. Okay, not I gotta go listen to Arthur again - love his playing on "Australia". [/quote/] He quit in 86, I believe, but stayed on as the house manager for The Kink's KONK studios. I believe he still holds the position today. So, he quit, but remained a part of the family, so to speak. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on October 15, 2013, 03:08:21 PM Ray and Dave would get into terrible creative fights, Dave would ask for Mick for an opinion and Mick would never take a side. So with Ray the de facto leader, the status quo always remained (ie Ray got his way). By Mick not speaking up he was essentially siding with Ray. After many years of this Dave grew to despise Mick.
The friction between the brothers was always there, remember it was Dave and Peter Quaife who founded the band and then got Ray involved. Dave was the leader of The Kinks at the beginning, only to be usurped by Ray as the group developed. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 15, 2013, 03:21:31 PM Some prime Mick right here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rOkBvmsj9A Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 15, 2013, 11:57:23 PM Ray and Dave would get into terrible creative fights, Dave would ask for Mick for an opinion and Mick would never take a side. So with Ray the de facto leader, the status quo always remained (ie Ray got his way). By Mick not speaking up he was essentially siding with Ray. After many years of this Dave grew to despise Mick. That is the generally accepted story of the Kinks beginnings, but if you read the Kinks Day By Day book, you can see that Ray was there right from the beginning. He didn't care much to sing in the beginning, though - I think it took the other guys drawing him out a bit to turn him into a frontman. The friction between the brothers was always there, remember it was Dave and Peter Quaife who founded the band and then got Ray involved. Dave was the leader of The Kinks at the beginning, only to be usurped by Ray as the group developed. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Jurrasic Mark on October 17, 2013, 12:03:02 PM Huge fan, Arthur is one of THE great albums.
Had the privilege of playing with Mick and John Dalton, great guys, really nice and still great musicians. I wish they would do a reunion like the Beach Boys did. When I spoke to Mick and John about it they said that Ray had been in talks about it... maybe one day? Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on October 17, 2013, 12:55:39 PM Huge fan, Arthur is one of THE great albums. Had the privilege of playing with Mick and John Dalton, great guys, really nice and still great musicians. I wish they would do a reunion like the Beach Boys did. When I spoke to Mick and John about it they said that Ray had been in talks about it... maybe one day? CONGRATS YOU LUCKY BASTARD!!!!!!!!! ;D Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on October 17, 2013, 11:19:40 PM I'd love the RCA era line up to reform. Would John Dalton be up for it, I could be wrong but didn't he retire from the biz years ago?
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on October 18, 2013, 01:05:04 AM Ray and Dave would get into terrible creative fights, Dave would ask for Mick for an opinion and Mick would never take a side. So with Ray the de facto leader, the status quo always remained (ie Ray got his way). By Mick not speaking up he was essentially siding with Ray. After many years of this Dave grew to despise Mick. The friction between the brothers was always there, remember it was Dave and Peter Quaife who founded the band and then got Ray involved. Dave was the leader of The Kinks at the beginning, only to be usurped by Ray as the group developed. How could Ray not be the leader? He wrote all the songs (with some exceptions). Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 18, 2013, 02:11:34 PM When the band started, they were mostly doing guitar instrumentals, Ray was too shy to sing.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on October 18, 2013, 04:53:03 PM I bought Arthur a couple days ago in Madison before an Animal Collective concert. I haven't listened to it much yet though.
Edit: I have to say I'm a little disappointed. It just sounds like classic "rawk" to me. The songwriting isn't as melodic or pretty as Village Green's. I will listen to it more and see if it grows on me. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on October 19, 2013, 04:10:39 AM When the band started, they were mostly doing guitar instrumentals, Ray was too shy to sing. Plus, in the very early days although most didn't make it past the demo stage, Dave initially wrote just as much as Ray. Also notice on the debut lp Dave takes nearly as much leads as Ray. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on October 19, 2013, 04:17:50 AM yeah, Ray always said that he thought Dave was the better 'Front man'. The more attractive one with the interesting voice, though to be honest many of his earliest leads aren't the softest on the ears.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on October 19, 2013, 08:15:58 AM I consider all Dave's lead vocals on the first two albums horrendous.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on October 19, 2013, 08:28:11 AM I consider all Dave's lead vocals on the first two albums horrendous. After that he's better. Love Milk Cow Blues Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 19, 2013, 01:26:27 PM On the early albums, Dave sounds like what he was - a 16 year old British kid trying to sing like a 60 year old bluesman. Ray was the much better singer of the two in the beginning, and much more prolific as a writer. Dave didn't have time to write songs - too busy chasing girls. But underneath that wild party raver exterior, there was a very melancholy boy - nearly all his songs on their late 60's records were about his first love, Sue, the girl he got pregnant at 15. Susannah's Still Alive, Funny Face, This Man He Weeps Tonight, Mindless Child of Motherhood, all that stuff was about her.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Outtasight! on October 19, 2013, 02:55:52 PM Everything from face to face to preservation act 1 is mindblowing (ok percy is less essential but gods children is beautiful). After that schoolboys, misfits and give the people what they want are great. To the bone is none too shaby b
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Outtasight! on October 19, 2013, 02:58:43 PM Damned phone posted before i was done. Rays solo albums are also great but the masterpieces are the villiage green preservation society, Arthur and Musswell Hillbillies. Great, great music.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on October 19, 2013, 07:21:00 PM I consider all Dave's lead vocals on the first two albums horrendous. After that he's better. Love Milk Cow Blues I hate his voice even on Something Else. His only good vocal performance to my ears is Wicked Annabella. For some reason he managed to sound really great on that track. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Jurrasic Mark on October 20, 2013, 01:05:54 PM I'd love the RCA era line up to reform. Would John Dalton be up for it, I could be wrong but didn't he retire from the biz years ago? Yeah he technically did. But he still does some gigs, appeared with the Kast Off Kinks not so long ago. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: bossaroo on October 20, 2013, 01:11:44 PM sounds like Ray n Dave are indeed discussing a reunion...!
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-davies-odds-of-a-kinks-tour-in-2014-are-50-50-20130925 i very much doubt Mick will be involved due to Dave's complete disdain for him. unfortunate indeed. but it's all about the Davies boys in the end, so i really hope it happens and i get to see it! i met Ray briefly a couple years ago when he came through Charlotte. got my Great Lost Kinks Album signed! so much brilliance, and so hard to pick a favorite album. anything from Something Else to Hillbillies is a worthy contender. and speaking of Contenders, i haven't seen quite enough praise for the Lola album. It's a masterpiece, and a commentary on the music industry as only Ray can deliver. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: bossaroo on October 20, 2013, 01:28:20 PM speaking of Mick, i love his playing on this live version of Waterloo Sunset from the BBC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlnpF4RGrUo
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on October 20, 2013, 11:40:03 PM sounds like Ray n Dave are indeed discussing a reunion...! http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dave-davies-odds-of-a-kinks-tour-in-2014-are-50-50-20130925 i very much doubt Mick will be involved due to Dave's complete disdain for him. unfortunate indeed. but it's all about the Davies boys in the end, so i really hope it happens and i get to see it! i met Ray briefly a couple years ago when he came through Charlotte. got my Great Lost Kinks Album signed! so much brilliance, and so hard to pick a favorite album. anything from Something Else to Hillbillies is a worthy contender. and speaking of Contenders, i haven't seen quite enough praise for the Lola album. It's a masterpiece, and a commentary on the music industry as only Ray can deliver. Good interview, thanks for posting. These guys are just incapable of getting on but hopefully something will happen. Despite Dave's protests I hope Mick is involved, it's not The Kinks without him. Also it sucks to think that a legend such as Dave Davies is hurting for cash. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 20, 2013, 11:50:00 PM I'd be okay with Bob Henrit as the drummer for a reunion, since he was in the band for the last 10 years of its life - and did a fine job on the skins, but Mick of course is my sentimental choice because he was there longer, but there's enough tension between Ray and Dave without adding Mick to the fire. At their age, another confrontation could be fatal. Dave had a stroke and Ray got shot, we're lucky they're still with us.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on May 22, 2014, 10:41:42 AM I'm reviving this thread because it's more general and wide-ranging than the other recent Kinks thread.
Over the last year or so I've been finally listening the Kinks beyond the most famous hits (which I've known and mostly loved since I was young.) As a kid I was under the impression that they were essentially a singles band and so I left it at that. Now, having investigated further, I still think they were at their best as a singles band (and there's no shame in that) but they also had a number of other incredible pop songs scattered among their LPs, b-sides and EPs. A band that spans the best and worst of rock in my opinion, but just to focus on the best: These are my favourite Kinks singles: Autumn Almanac (my favourite of all; a masterpiece) Lola (sheer genius) You Really Got Me Victooo-oooo-ooooria Waterloo Sunset See My Friends Set Me Free All Day And All Of The Night Till The End Of the Day Sunny Afternoon Apeman And these are my favourites so far among the non-singles: Polly (this is so catchy and irresistable! How it could have been left off their box set?) Afternoon Tea (chorus is good; verse is sheer bliss) Something Better Beginning (such a perfect ballad from before they were noted for such things) Australia (up to the end of the song proper, before the ominous farting about) Phenomenal Cat (Inspired) I Need You (third in "the great riff trilogy", to coin a phrase, after You Really Got Me and All Day And All Of The Night) David Watts- so many good songs on "Something Else By The Kinks", even though there's a few on there I'm not so keen on. When I See That Girl Of Mine (my favourite non-single on one of my favourite of their albums, The Kinks Kontroversy) All My Friends Were There (The village green album at its best) I Go To Sleep (gorgeous demo) I could say more, but that's enough for one post. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 22, 2014, 11:37:23 PM I'm a longtime Kinks fan, and the average rock and roll fan today - at least in the US - probably only remembers 3 songs of theirs, YRGM, ADAAOTN, and Lola. I've heard Lola so many times now, I really never need to hear it again. On the other hand, I never get tired of those first two hits. They rank right at the top for pure rock and roll excitement alongside Good Golly Miss Molly, Johnny B. Goode and Louie Louie.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on May 23, 2014, 02:10:46 AM . I've heard Lola so many times now, I really never need to hear it again. I feel the same way about Days. When I was a kid listening to the greatest hits I liked it just as much as the other singles, but at some point I started to hate it. Folk musicians love to play it. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 24, 2014, 11:38:40 PM . I've heard Lola so many times now, I really never need to hear it again. I feel the same way about Days. When I was a kid listening to the greatest hits I liked it just as much as the other singles, but at some point I started to hate it. Folk musicians love to play it. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on May 25, 2014, 02:26:30 AM . I've heard Lola so many times now, I really never need to hear it again. I feel the same way about Days. When I was a kid listening to the greatest hits I liked it just as much as the other singles, but at some point I started to hate it. Folk musicians love to play it. Well, I've heard it now, since it's on Spotify (on a quirky "best of"). It's OK I suppose. I don't like much of the latter-day stuff (mostly going on what's on the boxed set). Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on May 25, 2014, 02:49:24 AM The only great Kinks song form the 80's onwards that I've heard is Dave's Livin' On a Thin Line which is fantastic.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Outtasight! on May 25, 2014, 04:02:37 AM Did Ya is on my copy of Phobia. Animal from to the bone is a great song.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 25, 2014, 01:22:02 PM . I've heard Lola so many times now, I really never need to hear it again. I feel the same way about Days. When I was a kid listening to the greatest hits I liked it just as much as the other singles, but at some point I started to hate it. Folk musicians love to play it. Well, I've heard it now, since it's on Spotify (on a quirky "best of"). It's OK I suppose. I don't like much of the latter-day stuff (mostly going on what's on the boxed set). Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 25, 2014, 01:23:10 PM Did Ya is on my copy of Phobia. Animal from to the bone is a great song. Is that the UK version? The other great song on the Did Ya ep is Dave's Look Through Any Doorway. Too bad that one didn't see wider release. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Outtasight! on May 25, 2014, 02:07:49 PM Yes, uk release. Scattered is a great song from that one too. Must seek out the ep.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 25, 2014, 10:11:19 PM The only great Kinks song form the 80's onwards that I've heard is Dave's Livin' On a Thin Line which is fantastic. Um, "Better Days?" "Come Dancing?" "Do it Again?" "Round the Dial?" "Don't Forget to Dance?" "Art Lover?" There's more. Just my opinion. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 25, 2014, 10:54:06 PM The only great Kinks song form the 80's onwards that I've heard is Dave's Livin' On a Thin Line which is fantastic. Um, "Better Days?" "Come Dancing?" "Do it Again?" "Round the Dial?" "Don't Forget to Dance?" "Art Lover?" There's more. Just my opinion. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on May 26, 2014, 02:47:39 AM I may have to eat my words in future, but at this point "Come Dancing" is the only Kinks song I really appreciate from the mid-70s onwards. For a band who were so far ahead of their peers in the sixties, setting the standard and breaking new ground with "You Relaly Got Me", "See My Friends" and then the music-hall inspired stuff, it's quite depressing to hear them sounding like lesser stadium rock or pub rock bands. "Scattered" and "Million Pound Semi Detatched" are nice tunes, but nothing like their best. Still, I respect them for carrying on and following their own path rather than resting on their laurels, and I know it's a lot more to other peoples' taste than it is to mine.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on May 26, 2014, 05:07:46 AM That's my take on it too. The Kinks never embarressed themselves in the 80's like the Stones and The Beach Boys did but Ray's days of writing top shelf material were long gone.
In fairness, how many outright masterpieces can one person have in them? Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on May 26, 2014, 04:50:17 PM That's my take on it too. The Kinks never embarressed themselves in the 80's like the Stones and The Beach Boys did but Ray's days of writing top shelf material were long gone. In fairness, how many outright masterpieces can one person have in them? Art Lover is a fantastic 80s Kinks track! I think it's up there with Ray's 60s stuff. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 26, 2014, 10:15:13 PM Come to daddy!
We've hashed this all out before, but there are three clear Kinks periods (with transitions) pretty much delineated by their record companies at the time. The Reprise years are the most beloved and contain not only the early hits and crunchers but Waterloo Sunset, Village Green, and the like. Effin' genius. I am very fond of the RCA period which contains lots of really cool stuff if a bit more spotty. As I like to mention one of my favorite Kinks LPs is "Schoolboys in Disgrace" from the mid-70s. And then there is the commercial rebirth of the Arista years. Even spottier I suppose but many gems therein as mentioned -- again only my opinion. It has been pointed out before there are many similarities in the arc of the Kinks and Beach Boys (Brian and Ray's middle name for one!). An initial burst of great popularity followed by a creative nova that was virtually ignored followed by a live/hip resurgence in the 70s with interesting albums followed by a commercial blossoming into more calculated arena gestures. Brothers in the band, fistfights, acrimony. Of course the BBs popularity eclipses the Kinks' but you get the point. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on May 26, 2014, 10:23:01 PM It has been pointed out before there are many similarities in the arc of the Kinks and Beach Boys (Brian and Ray's middle name for one!). An initial burst of great popularity followed by a creative nova that was virtually ignored followed by a live/hip resurgence in the 70s with interesting albums followed by a commercial blossoming into more calculated arena gestures. Brothers in the band, fistfights, acrimony. Of course the BBs popularity eclipses the Kinks' but you get the point. I've often thought about how Dave and Dennis are also very similar. Edit: I need a new hobby. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 26, 2014, 11:47:06 PM I've heard Lola so many times now, I really never need to hear it again. I feel the same way about Days. When I was a kid listening to the greatest hits I liked it just as much as the other singles, but at some point I started to hate it. Folk musicians love to play it. "Victoria", "Waterloo Sunset", "Dedicated Follower of Fashion", "Phenomenal Cat" (obviously), "Johnny Thunder", "Susannah's Still Alive", "Sitting by the Riverside", "Australia" (dig Dave's guitar soloing), "Come Dancing" (very catchy), "Dead End Street". "I'm not Like Everybody Else" is cool, but not as much as this awesome version by The Chocolate Watchband (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWc-TdQ2LCU). I have yet to load their later stuff & Ray's cover album of classics. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on May 27, 2014, 03:23:26 PM Chocolate Watchband, and I do like them, make that sound like the Stones. Dave's take is far better.
The reason I never posted in the Essential Thread, was more than less it's all essential. Every album had it's strong points. Yes, the 60's stuff couldn't be bettered, but they never stopped producing great music. They didn't miss a beat when John Dalton, John Gosling, the singers and the horns came in. They lost a bit when they left, but then came the American success in the arenas. They would open shows with "The Hard Way" or do a double shot opener with "Around the Dial" and right into "Give the People What They Want." Then they would cover the field with flailing bodies on "20th Century Man" - the place would go nuts. "Catch Me Now I'm Falling" "(Wish I Could Fly Like) Superman" - slow down for "Gallon of Gas" or "Art Lover" - then bang on to "Destroyer" "Prince of Punks" and "Bernadette." Always room for a few old 60's classics, then off again with "Juke-Box Music" "State of Confusion"... "Living on a Thin Line" "Better Days" and "Where Have All the Good Times Gone" for the first encore. You can figure what came for the next encore in a one-two punch. I didn't get to see them 'til the late 70's, but all the shows I did see from 1979 and through the 80's, any and all in the Bay Area... They were power in action. I never missed a chance to see them live, even if I had to work the next day. Ray and Dave were white hot balls of energy, they rarely stopped moving. Tracks like "Think Visual" and "Cliches of the World (B-Movie)" "Pressure" "Mr. Big" "Full Moon" "Stormy Sky" went over much better than the album versions. The Kinks existed to be seen Live. The oldies they picked, amazed. "She's Bought a Hat Like Princess Marina" "Top of the Pops" "Sitting in My Hotel" "Apeman" "Dead-End Street" "David Watts" "Victoria" - Ray even played "Look a little on the Sunnyside" one night. And "Money Talks"- think that's the only track I ever saw him play from The Act's. You guys are leaving out all sorts of great album songs too! A lot of the 60's stuff was covered well in the Essential Thread, but I can't believe the lack of respect for the Music Hall era, some of which was always in the act - it's British/European tradition. Nobody has pointed out the Preservation Acts are a continuation of The Village Green. Flash and the rest were there. Ray just didn't put them out in order, read the liner notes to School Boys in Disgrace. That's Ray writing another Act, the tracks on side 2 are really telling a true story about Dave, but disguised as Mr. Flash. He also updated the story of Johnny Thunder in Act I. It was a peaceful Village Green Preservation Society, then the bandits came in. Demolition... Most of Act I is the coming storm. Tracks like "Where Are They Now" or "Sitting in the Mid-Day Sun" (both by the Tramp), could have just as easily been on Village Green. Act II is the devastation. Ray had many voices. He was the tramp and the villains. Ray spent all his time trying to write about the people around him - family, friends, and people he wanted to expose to the world. That's the connection to his whole career. Dave mostly came off as a solo act, which is why many of his songs didn't make it on the albums. They had a hard time fitting in with Ray's people tunes. Don't forget, Ray was the producer. He picks what goes on the albums, and he personally picked what was on the Picture Book set - for better or worse. Who knows why he decided to put crappy lo-fi demos of hit songs on it. One of the best favors you could do yourself, is save up to get the BBC Box. The five CDs are one thing, but the DVD is mind alternately fantastic. The Kinks Kollekted DVD too. Those are the videos they made, mostly the 60's and early 70's. Some of them must be up on youtube, go watch. I know a lot of the BBC live stuff has been up-loaded. My biggest Kinks regret is not getting to see the band live in the late sixties/early seventies. They would not play much of the Music Hall stuff, it was like Ray had put it all behind him. Many complete shows from the Music Hall period are on youtube. I don't care if Ray's drunk or joking...I love watching A Soap Opera performed live. The Act's too. Go watch 'em. I don't know where those folks got the videos from, but I wish they would contact Ray about getting them out on discs. The live record that comes with Everybody's in Show-Biz betters every studio track they played. Most of those are on the BBC DVD, and they toss in the audio of the same on the CDs. The two-disc BBC version was just the beginning. It is one of the best sets of live music I've ever heard. And all era's of The Kinks had merit. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on May 28, 2014, 11:45:21 AM Thanks for your contribution Feelsflow, I always like your posts.
Now, one thing that annoys me about critical surveys of the Kinks is the phrase "anything from 'Face to Face' to ______ is solid gold" or variations on the same. I think their first great album was 'Kontroversy' and I think it's actually better, song for song, than 'Face to Face'. I guess the latter is so highly rated because it's the first album full of songs in Ray Davies's "character study" style, but although the lyrics on "Kontroversy" are more conventional, they're still good lyrics. "The World Keeps Going Round", ""Where Have All the Good Times Gone", "I'm On An Island"- they all verge on the philosophical. And the tuens are better than on 'Face to Face' So I'm pleased than in the original post of this thread Freddie modified this formula to "Anything from Kontroversy up to Muswell Hillbilles is pure gold". Long Live the Kontroversy Reappraisal Consortium! Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on May 28, 2014, 01:14:37 PM Actually, I go as far back as Kwyet Kinks as the start of their "golden period."
It's a 4-song EP with all of the tracks exclusive to it, including a song by Dave. Plus, it has "Well Respected Man", and who doesn't love that song? Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on May 28, 2014, 01:53:04 PM Actually, I go as far back as Kwyet Kinks as the start of their "golden period." It's a 4-song EP with all of the tracks exclusive to it, including a song by Dave. Plus, it has "Well Respected Man", and who doesn't love that song? Me! It's too dour and repetitive. Though an important song in their development. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 29, 2014, 12:12:17 AM I think of the early Kinks as a great singles band. The hits of 64-65 can't be beat, but those early albums were very hit and miss. A lot of r&b covers, and Dave sang a lot more than is generally recognized - and not very well in the early days. But they did blossom as an album band about the time they stopped having hits in the US. The RCA years I find a lot less enjoyable. Sure, Ray had some great ideas, but those albums were like original cast albums, the band themselves were not that pleased with them, not a lot of great songs to be found within. Ambitious? Yes, but I prefer the Arista years, especially Misfits, GTPWTW, SOC, and WOM. One For the Road is a good live document, too, although it does tend to lean a bit too much on the Kinks as hard rockers. In fact, they were so successful as "arena rockers" in the Low Budget era, that "Come Dancing" kind of threw their hard rock audience a curve. Their usual AOR base wasn't sure what to make of the song, it became a top 40 hit with endless plays on MTV, but it didn't really represent 90% of what they were doing on stage at the time. Big crossover hit, but after that, their AOR support dried up. The Kinks were just too hard to pigeonhole.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: 8o8o on June 08, 2014, 01:01:42 PM Now then.... A reunion of the bruvs seems to be on the way: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jun/08/the-kinks-to-reform-davies (http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jun/08/the-kinks-to-reform-davies)
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on June 08, 2014, 01:48:24 PM Hopefully they can fire each other up again.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 08, 2014, 08:04:21 PM There's been reunion chatter for years but never comes to fruition. Hard for me to understand two brothers disliking each other so much. Then again, although I was in a band with my brother (and we did fight!) it was for only a few years and there was no arduous touring or success to poison us to one another. If they were to do it I hope they would do it right. Take a page from the BB's 50th and bring back surviving members and do lots of deep cuts. The good news for fans is they would play smaller venues. Not sure how much commercial viability they maintain at this point, although interest could be manufactured getting them in the right spotlight -- Fallon, Rolling Stone, maybe a guest spot on a sitcom -- or hey a reality show!
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on June 08, 2014, 11:32:55 PM They keep saying they are going to reunite, but both brothers have gigs booked through the rest of year, so I will believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on July 11, 2014, 12:53:51 AM For all you lovely Kinks fans out there, the deluxe version of Lola. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lola-Vs-Powerman-The-Kinks/dp/B00LHCPP78/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405064313&sr=8-1&keywords=Lola+Vs+Powerman) It seems like it's got some pretty cool stuff, like two unreleased songs (I think they're unbooted) and having the Percy soundtrack built into the second disc, along with extras for that album as well.
I've placed my pre-order and am quite excited for this. Probably best to grab it now before it goes out of print and costs $80, anyway. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on July 11, 2014, 08:32:18 AM Get it from the UK Bubbly - under 15 pounds. I'm looking forward to hearing the two new (old) songs from Ray's purple patch.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on July 11, 2014, 10:19:42 AM Cool find!! I'm going to wait a week to see if they put it up on Amazon USA, if not will pay the shipping from the UK.
This will be the first of the "new" re-re-re-release campaign for the 50th anniversary - they're getting as bad as the Who and Costello :lol. Uncut gives a better breakdown on where these songs are coming from. Also found out why the Sanctuary/UMC Deluxe sets went out of print so fast - BMG bought out Sanctuary in 2013. This new deal will put them out (1964-1971, the PYE stuff) under the Sony CMG umbrella. Now, what kind of a deal will they make to get the later records back in print? The re-master for Lola Vs. Powerman and the Money-Go-Round/Percy is listed as Andrew Sandoval (did he do the Percy re-master from a few years ago?) - don't have it. The Sanctuary titles I do have, list Andrew and Dan Hersch - with thanks to Andy Pearce (who did the mastering on 2008's Picture Book box, all by himself). The Deluxe sets benefitted from the additional work done by Andrew and Dan. So...is this yet another re-mastering or the same ones used for the Deluxe sets and the BBC box? Or are they just taking off Dan and Andy Pearce's credit? I didn't get the Arthur or Muswell Hillbillies Deluxe sets, I have the 2004 releases using the 1998 re-mastering done by Simon Heyworth (Arthur), and Bob Ludwig (Muswell Hillbillies). Could someone who has them look and see who did the Deluxe re-masters. The early Kinks catalogue on CD is so difficult to discuss, though Wayne Klein (an Amazon reviewer) does the best job I've found - search him out. He has a good ear for catching mastering mistakes, such as the 1998 Arthur (corrected on the 2004 re-issue). The 2004 Village Green Deluxe lists Nick Watson (discs one and two) and Dan Hersch (disc three), with Andrew Sandoval as mastering & reissue supervision. Will Andrew be giving that a fresh re-master? Will it be three discs? Could it even be bettered? It sounds great. What Sanctuary did in 1998 and 2004 was tricky, adding bonus tracks to the old 1998 re-masters. I will buy this new one (I don't have either on CD), but will do much more research before buying anything else they have planned. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on July 11, 2014, 10:50:42 AM Cool find!! I'm going to wait a week to see if they put it up on Amazon USA, if not will pay the shipping from the UK. Get it from the UK Bubbly - under 15 pounds. I'm looking forward to hearing the two new (old) songs from Ray's purple patch. I did get it from Amazon UK when it was pretty cheap: about $23.37 total. I'm pretty sure this is import only, Will, due to differences in who owns the music in the different countries. So, get it while you still can. I also ordered the Muswell Hillbillies set yesterday - couldn't help myself, I really like that album - so I can tell you who did the mastering when it gets here. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on July 11, 2014, 02:36:46 PM They shouldn't reunite. Dave's stroke ruined his voice, and Ray's voice is very raspy from smoking. t would sound awful. We have their amazing recorded music to enjoy. They should just reissue all their Pye music in the US with a great publicity campaign.
I think it's sadly ironic when geriatric rock stars go on tour and their younger sidemen have to do all the heavy lifting. Age doesn't need to stop anyone from making art, but there's a point when someone just loses the vitality necessary to be a charismatic performer. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on July 11, 2014, 02:37:09 PM Okay. Ordered, but I seem to be paying $26.52. The price after the VAT was removed covered the shipping. The USA price on all the others I have was about $30 to $35, so that's a good deal. And maybe they will lower it before release. Thanks again Josh. Better to order now in case it goes up again.
The deal with the Muswell Hillbillies...You are wise to get it. It will have the better remastering, and you don't have the BBC or Picture Book boxes that have some of those bonus tracks. For me, I'm only missing a few tracks I don't have. But not that fantastic demo for "Nobody's Fool." One of these days he might even agree to release the studio version by Cold Turkey (really the Kinks). Also my 2004 release is SACD/DSD, and includes "Mountain Woman" and "Kentucky Moon." This new Lola Vs. Powerman and the Money-Go-Round/Percy has loads of stuff I don't have on CD. Ray only picked three Percy tracks for Picture Book. And this will have among it's treasure, the mono 45 versions of "Lola" "Apeman" and "Rats." Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on July 15, 2014, 12:38:16 AM They shouldn't reunite. Dave's stroke ruined his voice, and Ray's voice is very raspy from smoking. t would sound awful. We have their amazing recorded music to enjoy. They should just reissue all their Pye music in the US with a great publicity campaign. I didn't know Ray was a smoker, but last time I heard him he sounded fine. Dave doesn't sound as good as he did before the stroke, but I still want to see/hear them together. Both have toured doing essentially a Kinks greatest hits show, so why not do those songs together?I think it's sadly ironic when geriatric rock stars go on tour and their younger sidemen have to do all the heavy lifting. Age doesn't need to stop anyone from making art, but there's a point when someone just loses the vitality necessary to be a charismatic performer. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Mike's Beard on July 15, 2014, 08:04:26 AM I saw a documentary on Dave a year or so back and while he spoke very slowly in the interviews, as soon as he started to sing his vocal delivery seemed to speed up.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on July 15, 2014, 01:21:02 PM I checked out what I could of the new Muswell Hillbillies Deluxe.
"Lavender Lane" - looking at the lyrics you get the feel of Preservation, an Act I type song. But the theme isn't too far away from Something Else era either. Then I played the track. It's melody is all Terry and Julie...you can sing "Waterloo Sunset" lyrics along with it. Easy to see why it was never released. Ray is using the quavering (vibrato) vocal style he was developing for tracks like "Mirror of Love." "Have a Cuppa Tea" (alt. version) (3:32) - From 1971, not too different than the long-player. Rocks a bit more with the piano up in the mix - this would probably grow on me. "Uncle Son" (alt. version) - A country blues. Sounds very American, influenced by Garth Hudson's organ sound. Sure wouldn't mind having this one. "Nobody's Fool" (demo) - Already said, this is the prize track on this set. Shows how deep they had to look to come up with tracks for the Deluxe. Ray did the fans a boner not putting the studio version here. This one has fewer added tracks than any of the other sets in this, now ended series. I say that, but maybe Sanctuary will get the next set - the RCA albums (Muswell was the first RCA album in both USA and UK). I haven't seen any confirmation, but there is no other album I want next more than Everybody's in Show-Biz, my favorite of all the RCA records. I want them to expand the live disc to a full show. The BBC box added "Have a Cuppa Tea" from the Whistle Test tv show, and ten tracks from the Rainbow (31 January)video, and four audio tracks - but that's it from 1972. Except...the bonus tracks tacked on to EIS-Biz re-issue CD are from the same Carnegie Hall shows (2 & 3 March, 1972) used on the long-player. I want more of those...they were smoking those nights. For those who don't know, that tour was the Muswell tour. Every track they played from Muswell (and LVPATMGR save "Lola") was bettered. A Lot! We'll see. All the RCA records deserve Deluxe treatments as far as I am concerned, with DVDs included from the tours (plenty of that up on youtube). okay back on topic - just a thrill to contemplate what they might have left in the vaults... 20th Century Man (inst. version) - Only here, can't find it on youtube. The edit (5:02) and "Muswell Hillbillies" (edit - 3:48) here have been released before. On Celluloid Heroes 1976 vinyl version only. When they released that on CD, they changed it drastically (eliminating all the rare edits and alt versions). "Queenie" - Only on this Deluxe. Can't find it either. It is a Ray original, but only the backing track is available here. The BBC tracks from 5 May, 1972 are all on the box. You Kinks lovers should really save up and get the BBC box. So, of some intrest. I'll keep it on my wish list. It's about $20 right now, plus ship. You know, I don't buy from the UK unless they won't put a listing on AmazonUSA, but I wonder if the merchant sellers include the VAT in the UK listings. . My comment on the Kinks getting back out to tour is... okay, as long as they do as Ray wants - make a new record. I have heard them both sing, and with the wizardry of technology it would probably sound good. Ray's solo records sure do. My choices for the side-men... Mick and the Johns - Dalton and Gosling. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on July 19, 2014, 02:00:42 PM Cool info, thanks, Will.
Muswell arrived yesterday and, while I haven't listened to the second disc yet, it's packaged very nicely and has a thick, detailed booklet. I wonder what the new reissues will be like, since they will be put out by different record companies. Also, this is a new thing: link (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00KH6JM7E/ref=as_li_ss_sm_fb_gb_asin_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=3194&creative=24814&creativeASIN=B00KH6JM7E&linkCode=shr&tag=shtv.uk-21&=dvd&qid=1405796743&sr=1-49). It looks really nice, but it appears to be Region 2 only, so we'll have to wait and hope for a U.S. release. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on July 19, 2014, 03:31:36 PM The link only takes you to amazon UK, but I figured out what your looking at. I would wait to order that. I see there is one for the Beatles too. Dave has been involved with this kind of thing for years. Okay if you want four DVDs of critics just sitting around reviewing their career, but what's the point really? It doesn't say anything about concerts or music in any way. But the stuff up on YouTube of the early 70's tours shows they have plenty to put out, but I'm sure Dave and Ray, and maybe the others would all have to settle on a deal. I hope they can, would love to see it on the big screen and in the best sound possible (YouTube is not too good for sound).
I saw the BBC box for 40 pounds the other day on Amazon UK, and part of that may be the VAT. They have to remove that if it ships to America. Stick it in a Cart and take a look. You can always back out before punching place order. The DVD that comes with the BBC box makes the set worth 40 pounds. It's several hours of footage. Some of it is on YouTube. Speaking of...now that you have Muswell, upload "Queenie" - I'd like to hear it. Still debating if I should get it or not. Okay, let me get going...My Saturday Listening Party is starting soon. I saw you got the Hard Days Night Blu-ray, we watched that last Saturday - great isn't it? I got in the new Southwest/Sandman import by Herb Pedersen and CSN&Y Blu-ray for tonight, but that's so long...we'll never get all the way through. take care buddy, Will Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on July 23, 2014, 06:44:51 AM For all you lovely Kinks fans out there, the deluxe version of Lola. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lola-Vs-Powerman-The-Kinks/dp/B00LHCPP78/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405064313&sr=8-1&keywords=Lola+Vs+Powerman) It seems like it's got some pretty cool stuff, like two unreleased songs (I think they're unbooted) and having the Percy soundtrack built into the second disc, along with extras for that album as well. Now up on Amazon USA for $30 (couldn't get the link to work, these Amazon links just go ...at the end - so incomplete). Keeping my UK pre-order for now, as it's still cheaper to order from the UK. Will keep an eye on it.I've placed my pre-order and am quite excited for this. Probably best to grab it now before it goes out of print and costs $80, anyway. EDIT: $28.47 today, 26 July. This may be getting more pre-orders in the states than the UK. Something is driving the price down. http://amazon.com/Lola-Versus-Powerman-Moneygoround-Deluxe/dp/B00LYTMY/ref=sr_1_3?... (http://amazon.com/Lola-Versus-Powerman-Moneygoround-Deluxe/dp/B00LYTMY/ref=sr_1_3?)Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on July 30, 2014, 09:31:33 AM 30 July, 2014 NEW Lola Deluxe price in the USA at Amazon is $22.99. It's probably not going any lower than that.
Add something to your cart to get it up to $35 and you get free ship. This takes it below the UK price, which doesn't seem to be changing. Still 14.49 pounds (With VAT). Vat removed = $26.52 (including ship). You can leave both in pre-order and see if the UK goes down until mid-August before having to decide which to cancel. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Gabo on July 30, 2014, 11:13:32 PM too bad i just bought Lola a few months ago
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: feelsflow on August 05, 2014, 08:48:28 AM 30 July, 2014 NEW Lola Deluxe price in the USA at Amazon is $22.99. It's probably not going any lower than that. Oh yes...it has! This must be getting big pre-orders in America, I've never seen one dip below twenty bucks.Add something to your cart to get it up to $35 and you get free ship. This takes it below the UK price, which doesn't seem to be changing. Still 14.49 pounds (With VAT). Vat removed = $26.52 (including ship). You can leave both in pre-order and see if the UK goes down until mid-August before having to decide which to cancel. 5 August, new price: $19.88 Amazon UK is still listed as 14.49 pounds. I love getting quality product at low prices. I have cancelled my UK order. Not getting much response with my updates, so this will be the last time I bump this thread. Gabo, too bad you already got this. For you, and I'm sure many others, the old CD will do. I want CD sound to approach the quality of vinyl. So far the Deluxe editions have done just that. For me, it's something I waited to get re-mastered - as I have a vinyl copy to listen to, and that one lone bonus cut never tempted me to buy. I never bought Percy, so am looking forward to hearing that. All Kinks material is worth hearing. That one always got a bad rap, but what I have heard is great. I like instrumentals. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on August 05, 2014, 12:53:01 PM The US price has still got to come down a few more dollars to beat what I'm paying for it on the UK site. I got lucky with my price, I guess.
By the way, Will, I totally forgot to send you "Queenie." Sorry about that. Check your private messages. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Little Pad on August 22, 2014, 03:03:46 AM I only just got into them within the last year or so, despite being a Beatles/Beach Boys/Stones etc. fan for 10+ years (I'm 22). Village Green has quickly become one of my favourite albums.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Cool Cool Water on February 05, 2015, 12:50:41 PM One of my favourite Kinks songs called "Village Green" from the '68 album; 'The Kinks Are the Village Green Preservation Society'----brilliant!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=320yV68ab5c Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: BrianAlDaveFan on May 06, 2015, 12:39:03 AM I actually dig their comeback era from Sleepwalker through Word Of Mouth! We all agree that their 60's stuff is classic, but I grew up with the latter day Kinks music, so it's the stuff I have the most personal attachment to. I remember driving around in the summer with the State of Confusion cassette playing in a friend's car, still one of the best albums they ever did. So glad to hear appreciation for the later stuff, as it's my personal favorite era, too! I like their entire discography, but have a special place in my heart for the later era! From the late 70's to when they stopped in 1996, you'll find a lot of emotionally powerful, intelligent and fun lyrics to go with great music, from both Ray and Dave! Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 08, 2015, 10:02:24 PM I actually dig their comeback era from Sleepwalker through Word Of Mouth! We all agree that their 60's stuff is classic, but I grew up with the latter day Kinks music, so it's the stuff I have the most personal attachment to. I remember driving around in the summer with the State of Confusion cassette playing in a friend's car, still one of the best albums they ever did. So glad to hear appreciation for the later stuff, as it's my personal favorite era, too! I like their entire discography, but have a special place in my heart for the later era! From the late 70's to when they stopped in 1996, you'll find a lot of emotionally powerful, intelligent and fun lyrics to go with great music, from both Ray and Dave! Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on May 11, 2015, 07:34:08 PM I actually dig their comeback era from Sleepwalker through Word Of Mouth! We all agree that their 60's stuff is classic, but I grew up with the latter day Kinks music, so it's the stuff I have the most personal attachment to. I remember driving around in the summer with the State of Confusion cassette playing in a friend's car, still one of the best albums they ever did. So glad to hear appreciation for the later stuff, as it's my personal favorite era, too! I like their entire discography, but have a special place in my heart for the later era! From the late 70's to when they stopped in 1996, you'll find a lot of emotionally powerful, intelligent and fun lyrics to go with great music, from both Ray and Dave! Yes, I loved "Return to Waterloo." As I recall there was some overlap with a Kinks LP ("Word of Mouth"?). "Missing Persons" was a heart tugging standout, but the whole album hung together well, better than Kinks LPs of the period to my mind. Interesting film as well. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on May 17, 2015, 12:02:23 PM I actually dig their comeback era from Sleepwalker through Word Of Mouth! We all agree that their 60's stuff is classic, but I grew up with the latter day Kinks music, so it's the stuff I have the most personal attachment to. I remember driving around in the summer with the State of Confusion cassette playing in a friend's car, still one of the best albums they ever did. So glad to hear appreciation for the later stuff, as it's my personal favorite era, too! I like their entire discography, but have a special place in my heart for the later era! From the late 70's to when they stopped in 1996, you'll find a lot of emotionally powerful, intelligent and fun lyrics to go with great music, from both Ray and Dave! Yes, I loved "Return to Waterloo." As I recall there was some overlap with a Kinks LP ("Word of Mouth"?). "Missing Persons" was a heart tugging standout, but the whole album hung together well, better than Kinks LPs of the period to my mind. Interesting film as well. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: BrianAlDaveFan on May 17, 2015, 03:47:54 PM The title track on RTW is one of my favorites. There's just a vibe Ray gives with the music, words and vocal delivery that's perfect.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Cool Cool Water on October 06, 2015, 02:20:21 PM A great song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpwGGJYCCJ0 Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Sandy Baby on October 06, 2015, 06:39:39 PM Truly love this song --
"Animal Farm": http://youtu.be/-TNlt5DKWEs There isn't a Kinks song I don't like; have gone to every concert that I could. What a great band! Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Sheriff John Stone on October 06, 2015, 08:00:02 PM There isn't a Kinks song I don't like; have gone to every concert that I could. What a great band! Sandy Baby, You would be a good one to ask this question of, or anybody else who might know the answer. I read a recent interview with Dave Davies, and it stated that Dave was back to recording and playing the occasional solo show. Dave himself said that he was 100% recovered from his stroke, which is great news. Have you observed if Dave is back to his old self physically, specifically with his guitar playing? Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Sandy Baby on October 07, 2015, 08:42:12 AM He looks good to me! 8)
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/dave-davies-kinks-reunion-comment/ https://www.facebook.com/davedaviesofficial Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Cool Cool Water on October 07, 2015, 11:16:18 AM Truly love this song -- "Animal Farm": The whole album that song is from is awesome---so underrated. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on October 08, 2015, 12:35:33 PM He looks good to me! 8) He's certainly not the baby faced rock 'n' roll guitar hero anymore, but honestly, how good will any of us look at his age? He had a pretty good album out a couple years ago, "I Will Be Me". Just wish the brothers would stop bickering and have their own C50 before it's too late.http://ultimateclassicrock.com/dave-davies-kinks-reunion-comment/ https://www.facebook.com/davedaviesofficial Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: undercover-m on February 24, 2016, 02:50:11 PM Would anyone be willing to help me get into the Kinks? I know only a handful of songs, and I want to change that.
You can suggest whole albums, or some songs (any of you guys use Spotify?). Also I know they're influential, but I don't really know why. Although I guess I can just wikipedia that stuff. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 24, 2016, 03:25:28 PM Would anyone be willing to help me get into the Kinks? I know only a handful of songs, and I want to change that. You can suggest whole albums, or some songs (any of you guys use Spotify?). Also I know they're influential, but I don't really know why. Although I guess I can just wikipedia that stuff. Sure, here's a song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGrniCrIHGg&ab_channel=TheKinks). Whattya think? That was the first Kinks song I really listened to after buying an incredibly overpriced Something Else by The Kinks CD in Austin, Texas at the overrated Waterloo Records store. Seemed to work for me. Listened to the album all the time I was down there. As for why they're influential, I would say there's multiple parts to it. To oversimplify things: their tough, fuzzy, early period was influential for other bands and later hard rock and metal bands; Ray's song about people (character studies) opened up new avenues in popular songwriting; and just the whole Village Green Preservation Society for multiple reasons. If you're into reading, there's a great book (http://www.amazon.com/Kinks-Village-Preservation-Society-Thirty/dp/0826414982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391619730&sr=8-1&keywords=33+1%2F3+the+kinks+are+the+village+green+preservation+society) that talks about the album. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: undercover-m on February 24, 2016, 03:43:10 PM I dig the song. I'm playing a bunch of their songs on shuffle right now and I'm liking everything so far.
As much as I love music, I haven't made that much time to read musical biographies or anything. I should really get better at making time to read; it's good for me... Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: alf wiedersehen on February 24, 2016, 04:09:55 PM I dig the song. I'm playing a bunch of their songs on shuffle right now and I'm liking everything so far. I think all of the albums from 1956-1971 are safe bets (maybe except Percy). The Kink Kontroversy is the point where the band begins to change slightly, so you have a mix of the early stuff and what was to come (it leans more towards their earlier side). Then comes Face to Face, which is mostly made up of standard material for 1966. That's not to say it isn't good, it probably just won't surprise you. Something Else by The Kinks is where they get a little weirder, and Ray becomes a little more grandiose with his songwriting. Dave starts contributing, too. His songs are also good, but there won't be more of them for a while. The Village Green Preservation Society is where they basically leave everything behind and become their own little world. Arthur (Or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire) started as a soundtrack, but ended up becoming it's own album. They leave the insular weirdness behind, and create a more straight-ahead album about, well, a guy named Arthur and the British Empire. Lola vs. Powerman is a little bit more mainstream-rock-y than I usually like, but it still has some good songs on it. Dave is back writing songs for this album but not for the next two. Then Percy, a soundtrack album with some goods songs and lots of instrumentals. Fascinating story, though. Muswell Hillbillies is a little bit obscure, but it's a fan favorite. I would sort of call it similar to VGPS, but rather than longing for the England of yesteryear, it's dedicated to Americana and booze. I love it. There's also a ton of singles they released that didn't make it onto albums because that's just how they did stuff back then in England. They sort of have their own "Good Vibrations." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3VDATV6dmY&ab_channel=TheKinks) Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on February 25, 2016, 01:36:41 PM Would anyone be willing to help me get into the Kinks? I know only a handful of songs, and I want to change that. You can suggest whole albums, or some songs (any of you guys use Spotify?). Also I know they're influential, but I don't really know why. Although I guess I can just wikipedia that stuff. Song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXioctDPGn0 Album (Comp): Kinks Kronikles Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: yonderhillside on February 25, 2016, 02:29:26 PM My Kinks obsession began with hearing "Sunny Afternoon" on one fine evening, I then went and got Face To Face and loved most of the album, especially the trippy "Rainy Day in June", raga-esque "Fancy", and the surf-ish "Holiday In Waikiki". Then moved onto Something Else By The Kinks, which is my second or tied-for-first favorite album by them, including "Waterloo Sunset", "David Watts", "Death of a Clown" (possibly Dave Davies' greatest song), and can't forget "Lazy Old Sun". Their masterpiece, in my opinion, is "Village Green Preservation Society", this was basically their Pet Sounds. Every track is sheer excellence, but better off listened to as a whole. Standout tracks are "Do You Remember Walter", "Picture Book", "Last of the Steam-Powered Trains", "Animal Farm", and "Monica". As Bubbly Waves was mentioning, their many non-album singles are all brilliant too. Don't get me started on The Kinks!
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on February 25, 2016, 08:36:03 PM IMHO, their early albums aren't all that great. You have one or two standout tracks - the singles - and a bunch of covers and Ray's lesser tunes. I think the first one where I like nearly every track (and this is showing my American bias) is Kinkdom; that seems to be the transition from a rockin' beat group (the first power pop band?) to the more story or character oriented stuff Ray would do the rest of the band's career. I guess everyone agrees on the run of albums from 66 to 70 or 71; where opinions vary is with the rock operas and the more commercial music of the Arista years. I grew up with the Arista stuff, so I am partial to a lot of that. State of Confusion, Word of Mouth and Misfits are on my Kinks top 10. Even the MCA stuff is pretty good; they are really the one band that I enjoy the entire catalog of. There isn't a Summer in Paradise or Stars and Stripes in their entire catalog.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: undercover-m on March 01, 2016, 10:44:13 PM Thank you for all of the suggestions! I like what I hear so far.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 04, 2016, 10:20:04 PM Thank you for all of the suggestions! I like what I hear so far. I could talk about the Kinks all day and all of the night! They are the only band (excepting the Beatles, whose career was much, much briefer) that was great from start to finish. Amazing how prolific a writer Ray was. They were putting out at least one album a year for decades, and the majority of that material was written by Ray. He seems to have dried up since the group ended, though - only 2 studio albums in 20 years.Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: bluesno1fann on March 05, 2016, 04:20:54 AM The Kinks are one of those bands where I love certain songs by them, but otherwise haven't explored through their discography very much. That is something that I'm currently rectifying.
I've started listening to every one of their albums chronologically, and have currently only heard the debut. On first listen, I found it very disappointing. "You Really Got Me" aside (which is an untouchable classic), I found most of the album to be bland, generic R&B that completely fails to stand out amongst its contemporaries (and really makes you appreciate the work of The Animals, The Rolling Stones and The Yardbirds a hell of a lot more, among other great British Blues Rock artists). Listening through bits of the album since, and some of it has marginally grown on me. For instance, I quite like Dave Davies' vocals more now that I've grown accustomed to it; it reminds me of the vocalist from Downliners Sect. "Stop Your Sobbing" too I definitely appreciate more. As for the bonus tracks, I don't have too much to add about them. "You Still Want Me" was a pleasant enough listen, if a product of its time. Surprised that it flopped as a single honestly. "All Day And All Of The Night" I'd give the slightest edge over "You Really Got Me", though I adore both songs. One hidden gem I discovered was "It's Alright", which was released as the B-side to "You Really Got Me". It immediately became a favourite of mine; an infectious, catchy rocker which has hints of The Yardbirds' "Evil Hearted You" in that the song comes to a halt, then speeds up energetically. The debut album would have benefited significantly with the addition of "It's Alright". Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: yonderhillside on March 05, 2016, 06:03:13 PM Their first album leaves much to be desired but they pick up very quickly with their next few albums, you'll see..
But on this album, I'd say are notable: "So Mystifying" and "Bald Headed Woman" in a bluesy skiffle-punk kind of way. You should appreciate Kinda Kinks, though it's no masterpiece. Particularly the quieter cuts "Nothin' In The World Can Stop Me From Worrying About That Girl" and "So Long" and the louder "Tired of Waiting For You" and "Look For Me Baby" Kink Kontroversy and beyond are all worth their weight in gold. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on March 05, 2016, 07:35:04 PM Their first album leaves much to be desired but they pick up very quickly with their next few albums, you'll see.. But on this album, I'd say are notable: "So Mystifying" and "Bald Headed Woman" in a bluesy skiffle-punk kind of way. You should appreciate Kinda Kinks, though it's no masterpiece. Particularly the quieter cuts "Nothin' In The World Can Stop Me From Worrying About That Girl" and "So Long" and the louder "Tired of Waiting For You" and "Look For Me Baby" Kink Kontroversy and beyond are all worth their weight in gold. Yup. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 05, 2016, 10:05:10 PM I think the earliest albums, (as i know them from the American pressings), "You Really Got Me", "Kinks-Size" and "Kinda Kinks" are enjoyable, but not great. The hit singles really stand out as superior to anything else on them. IMO things got a lot more interesting on the 4th US album, "Kinkdom", Ray's lyrics are starting to get more interesting, and that continues on "The Kink Kontroversy", but the first truly classic Kinks album is probably "Face To Face" from 1966. It sort of sets the template for the rest of their career - Ray always writing about or from the point of view of a character. It's not, strictly speaking, folk/rock, but it's definitely something more than their early riff-oriented rock. And pretty much every album was a classic after that, until sometime in the 70's.
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on March 12, 2016, 04:57:01 AM Didn't like Lola... except the hits
Not bothered about Muswell Hillbillies Didn't much like most of Everybody's In Showbiz Love Preservation Act 1! Love Preservation Act 2! And I would never have discovered this if not for internet streaming. Go figure. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: undercover-m on March 12, 2016, 03:53:23 PM State of Confusion, Word of Mouth and Misfits are on my Kinks top 10. Ok. I bought Misfits the other day and I enjoyed the A side a lot. I also love love the album artwork.Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 12, 2016, 11:37:51 PM Didn't like Lola... except the hits Wow, that's a surprise that you prefer Preservation over Muswell, Lola and Showbiz. There are a few good songs on the Preservation albums, but I find too much of it plot-driven - moving the story along became more important than the songs.Not bothered about Muswell Hillbillies Didn't much like most of Everybody's In Showbiz Love Preservation Act 1! Love Preservation Act 2! And I would never have discovered this if not for internet streaming. Go figure. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Please delete my account on March 13, 2016, 11:39:36 AM Didn't like Lola... except the hits Wow, that's a surprise that you prefer Preservation over Muswell, Lola and Showbiz. There are a few good songs on the Preservation albums, but I find too much of it plot-driven - moving the story along became more important than the songs.Not bothered about Muswell Hillbillies Didn't much like most of Everybody's In Showbiz Love Preservation Act 1! Love Preservation Act 2! And I would never have discovered this if not for internet streaming. Go figure. Yes, I know that's the widely held view, that's why it took so long to listen to it. But so far I haven't really listened to the words or tried to find anything out about the story- it's all been about the music so far. I actually enjoy hearing the female singers and less of the usual "rock band" format. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 13, 2016, 02:04:19 PM Didn't like Lola... except the hits Wow, that's a surprise that you prefer Preservation over Muswell, Lola and Showbiz. There are a few good songs on the Preservation albums, but I find too much of it plot-driven - moving the story along became more important than the songs.Not bothered about Muswell Hillbillies Didn't much like most of Everybody's In Showbiz Love Preservation Act 1! Love Preservation Act 2! And I would never have discovered this if not for internet streaming. Go figure. Yes, I know that's the widely held view, that's why it took so long to listen to it. But so far I haven't really listened to the words or tried to find anything out about the story- it's all been about the music so far. I actually enjoy hearing the female singers and less of the usual "rock band" format. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on March 13, 2016, 06:16:18 PM "Schoolboys in Disgrace" terrific, very overlooked. "Preservation Act 1" half marvelous!
Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 13, 2016, 11:43:42 PM "Schoolboys in Disgrace" terrific, very overlooked. "Preservation Act 1" half marvelous! I like Schoolboys better than Preservation cause they are back to being more of a rock band there. There are a few great songs on Preservation, though - "Sweet Lady Genevieve" is one of my favorite Ray Davies ballads, "Sitting in the Midday Sun" is also a winner, and "One of the Survivors".Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on March 14, 2016, 06:22:09 PM "Schoolboys in Disgrace" terrific, very overlooked. "Preservation Act 1" half marvelous! I like Schoolboys better than Preservation cause they are back to being more of a rock band there. There are a few great songs on Preservation, though - "Sweet Lady Genevieve" is one of my favorite Ray Davies ballads, "Sitting in the Midday Sun" is also a winner, and "One of the Survivors".Agree -- I'd add the opening cuts "Morning" and "Daylight" and "Where are they Now?" Like I said half marvelous! "Schoolboys" on the other hand doesn't contain a single duff track. In my opinion ;D Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 15, 2016, 05:59:12 PM "Schoolboys in Disgrace" terrific, very overlooked. "Preservation Act 1" half marvelous! I like Schoolboys better than Preservation cause they are back to being more of a rock band there. There are a few great songs on Preservation, though - "Sweet Lady Genevieve" is one of my favorite Ray Davies ballads, "Sitting in the Midday Sun" is also a winner, and "One of the Survivors".Agree -- I'd add the opening cuts "Morning" and "Daylight" and "Where are they Now?" Like I said half marvelous! "Schoolboys" on the other hand doesn't contain a single duff track. In my opinion ;D Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: yonderhillside on March 15, 2016, 06:10:12 PM I combined the best songs from Act 1 & Act 2 and it's a pretty decent tracklisting.
Still keeps fairly well to the concept of the piece. 1. Preservation (single) 2. Daylight 3. Sweet Lady Genevieve 4. There's A Change In The Weather 5. Where Are They Now? 6. Sitting In The Midday Sun 7. When A Solution Comes 8. Sheperds Of The Nation 9. Second-Hand Car Spiv 10. Mirror Of Love 11. Artificial Man 12. Salvation Road Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on March 15, 2016, 08:41:03 PM "Schoolboys in Disgrace" terrific, very overlooked. "Preservation Act 1" half marvelous! I like Schoolboys better than Preservation cause they are back to being more of a rock band there. There are a few great songs on Preservation, though - "Sweet Lady Genevieve" is one of my favorite Ray Davies ballads, "Sitting in the Midday Sun" is also a winner, and "One of the Survivors".Agree -- I'd add the opening cuts "Morning" and "Daylight" and "Where are they Now?" Like I said half marvelous! "Schoolboys" on the other hand doesn't contain a single duff track. In my opinion ;D Indeed, lots of great Dave guitar riffs -- "Jack The Idiot Dunce," "I'm in Disgrace," "Hard Way".... The album had the conceit of continuing the Preservation plot but really the songs stand alone. I consider it the link from the "Theatrical" phase into the more commercially accessible "Sleepwalker" and eventually the 80s revival stuff like "Destroyer," "Around the Dial," et al. The preceding LP "Soap Opera" I do not care for much, but I did see the stage performance and it was great fun! Though the 2nd half of hits and such was superior and one of the greatest live shows I've ever seen. Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Outtasight! on March 16, 2016, 01:57:51 PM I combined the best songs from Act 1 & Act 2 and it's a pretty decent tracklisting. You can't leave Nothing Lasts Forever out, its beautiful.Still keeps fairly well to the concept of the piece. 1. Preservation (single) 2. Daylight 3. Sweet Lady Genevieve 4. There's A Change In The Weather 5. Where Are They Now? 6. Sitting In The Midday Sun 7. When A Solution Comes 8. Sheperds Of The Nation 9. Second-Hand Car Spiv 10. Mirror Of Love 11. Artificial Man 12. Salvation Road Title: Re: The Kinks Discussion and Appreciation Thread Post by: Lonely Summer on March 16, 2016, 03:37:40 PM I combined the best songs from Act 1 & Act 2 and it's a pretty decent tracklisting. I really like the single version of "Mirror of Love" with Ray singing the girl's part - "you were the best man I ever had". ;DStill keeps fairly well to the concept of the piece. 1. Preservation (single) 2. Daylight 3. Sweet Lady Genevieve 4. There's A Change In The Weather 5. Where Are They Now? 6. Sitting In The Midday Sun 7. When A Solution Comes 8. Sheperds Of The Nation 9. Second-Hand Car Spiv 10. Mirror Of Love 11. Artificial Man 12. Salvation Road |