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Title: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on September 24, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
http://www.southflorida.com/music/sf-brian-wilson-jeff-beck-hollywood-tour-092713-20130924,0,3220234.story



EDT, September 24, 2013

 

Brian Wilson doesn't remember much about visiting South Florida with the Beach Boys in the 1960s, before physical and emotional distress forced him to stop touring with the band he had formed with his brothers, Carl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love and their friend Al Jardine. One incident stands out in his mind, and while the details escape him, the story, brief as it may be, will resonate with anyone who's familiar with the Beach Boys' triumphant and tragic history, the Wilsons' rocky relationship with Love or what it's like to go anywhere with family.

"I remember it vaguely," Wilson says in a recent phone interview from his home in Beverly Hills. "Dennis and Mike had a fight when we were there. I just saw them fighting and said, 'What the hell is going on here?' "

Wilson's return to the area this week should be more harmonious. On Friday, Sept. 27, at Hard Rock Live, he'll kick off a national tour co-headlined by guitar god Jeff Beck and featuring a band that includes former Beach Boys Jardine, Blondie Chaplin and David Marks. The appearance will come nearly 16 months after Wilson performed with Love at the venue as part of the Beach Boys' 50th anniversary tour, which ended abruptly and unhappily when Love announced the tour's London shows would be the last for Wilson, Jardine and Marks. "It sort of feels like we're being fired," Wilson told the Los Angeles Times.

The new tour comes as Wilson is recording his first album of original, non-Beach Boys material since 2008. Wilson considers the as-yet-untitled album the third chapter in a story that started with the masterpiece "Pet Sounds" and its intended, troubled follow-up, "Smile," begun by the Beach Boys in 1966 and completed by Wilson in 2004.


"When we started working on this thing, he was calling it his life's suite," says Joe Thomas, a recording engineer, songwriter and producer — "I'm kind of his Guy Friday" — who has known Wilson for 20 years. "He looked at life as three different movements. One was 'Pet Sounds,' the other was 'Smile' and then, he wanted to go out with a bang and have a look back at life from an adult. 'Pet Sounds' was when he was just a kid. 'Smile' was when he was a little more savvy and in the business awhile. And now, this is a guy looking back at life and where he is now, which is in a much happier and less chaotic state."

The album will revisit many of Wilson's favorite themes ("summer and love affairs and stuff like that," he says) and involve several of his favorite musicians (Beck, Chaplin, Jardine, Marks and others to be named). "Some of the stuff is very mellow," he says. "You're going to like it very much."

In conversation, Wilson can be aloof and distracted, providing terse — but not ungracious — responses to inquiries about his life, music and health. At 71, the man who crafted "In My Room," "Girl Don't Tell Me" and "I Just Wasn't Made for These Times" has little use for small talk, if he ever did. He can also be enthusiastic, as when discussing the music of Paul McCartney and Phil Spector ("that's about my listening enjoyment"), the album of Disney songs he released in 2011 ("the Sherman brothers were really great writers") or an oldies radio station in Los Angeles ("I can't get enough of it"), on which he'll sometimes hear his songs ("it's a thrill").

"One thing about Brian that I've learned," Thomas says, "for all his perceived eccentricities, he's really the most practical guy I've ever met. His yeses are yeses and his noes are noes. He doesn't play the passive-aggressive game."

"He is really honest," adds Chaplin, who sang lead on the Beach Boys hit "Sail On, Sailor" and until this summer, hadn't seen or heard from Wilson since 1974. "He has such a quick head. You have to hang on, because he's very fast. He's got a very, very sharp mind."

The new album and tour mark the first collaboration between Wilson and Beck, another famously enigmatic rock icon best known for his 1960s bands the Yardbirds and the Jeff Beck Group, the latter of which featured Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood. In 2005, at a celebration of Wilson's career hosted by the recording-industry charity MusiCares, Beck surprised him with a tender performance of the elegiac "Surf's Up" and a rocked-out take on "Surfin' U.S.A." Even though Wilson has seldom given the electric guitar a starring role in his music, he knew immediately that he had to work with Beck.

By all accounts, their first recording session this summer was awkward, with Beck confused by Wilson's timid demeanor and Wilson too awestruck by the guitarist to speak. Told Beck had admitted to being intimidated by him, Wilson counters that the feeling was mutual.

"I was intimidated to record with him, too," he says, his voice leaping. "But we both got over it and got busy."

Thomas says he, too, was anxious that first day in the studio, though he offers that Beck and Wilson make a more natural partnership than their respective fans may believe, and describes the songs they recorded as "fusion jazz rock with Brian singing, 'oohs' and 'aahs.' "

"It was two guys who shared a lot of mutual respect for each other, a ton. They were equally as reverent and equally as nervous. We were all nervous. You're working with one legend and another one comes in, that doesn't always go well," he recalls.

"I think that Jeff was amazed that Brian wouldn't say a lot, but when he would say something, it was right on. He'd have his eyes closed, and he'd be listening, and I could see that Jeff would look over at Brian and go, 'Is he listening or is he sleeping?' And Jeff would maybe pull a string a little sharp or something, and Brian would go, 'Hey, you got a better one in you, Jeff. That one was a little sharp.' And Jeff would go, 'Well, OK, of course he's listening. This is the way he does it.' "

Thomas says Wilson has so far recorded 25 songs for the album, and the sessions will resume after the new year. With the wound of Love's "firing" of Wilson from the Beach Boys still raw, the songwriter is moving forward, and with a sense of determination he hasn't felt in years.

"He likes being in a band, and right now, it doesn't look like it's possible that he can have his band [the Beach Boys]," Thomas says. "So he has Alan, David, Jeff and Blondie Chaplin. I think he's concocting in his head, 'I want to take this opportunity to play with all these people I've never got the chance to play with before.' ... He's in a much more comfortable place in his life, where he trusts people, and he's happy."

He's also busy. Wilson recently supervised the soundtrack for "Love and Mercy," a biographical film due out next year in which he'll be played by Paul Dano and John Cusack. He's planning to release a new memoir in 2015 (he largely disavows the 1996 autobiography "Wouldn't It Be Nice"), and is already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one.

"I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll," he says. "I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy."

Brian Wilson and Jeff Beck

When: 7:30 p.m. Friday, Sept. 27

Where: Hard Rock Live, Seminole Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, 1 Seminole Way, Hollywood

Cost: $49-$84

Contact: 800-745-3000 or MyHRL.com
  

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Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on September 24, 2013, 05:03:33 PM
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"When we started working on this thing, he was calling it his life's suite," says Joe Thomas, a recording engineer, songwriter and producer — "I'm kind of his Guy Friday" — who has known Wilson for 20 years. "He looked at life as three different movements. One was 'Pet Sounds,' the other was 'Smile' and then, he wanted to go out with a bang and have a look back at life from an adult. 'Pet Sounds' was when he was just a kid. 'Smile' was when he was a little more savvy and in the business awhile. And now, this is a guy looking back at life and where he is now, which is in a much happier and less chaotic state."

This is encouraging!

And he has recorded 25 songs for this album (though obviously many won't make the final cut)!? Plus more recording after New Years? Has this happened for any other Brian Wilson release? Where he has recorded so much for one album?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 24, 2013, 05:05:54 PM
Its going to odd to have the life suite with half BW solo and half BBs vocals.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 24, 2013, 05:09:24 PM
Wilson considers the as-yet-untitled album the third chapter in a story that started with the masterpiece "Pet Sounds" and its intended, troubled follow-up, "Smile," begun by the Beach Boys in 1966 and completed by Wilson in 2004.

Wow, those are some pretty high expectations. I'm really looking forward to this album.

Too bad it seems like we're going to have to wait a while to get it.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mr. Wilson on September 24, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
Were gonna get the life suite maybe..? Songs like Our prayer with Beck playin the melody And those rich BB harmonies doin what they do best,, Ah this could be magical.. ! I just hope Joe Thomas adds some depth + grit to the recordings and not leave the band in background.. Like last yrs album..


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: G.C on September 24, 2013, 05:23:14 PM
I'm really looking forward to this album!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on September 24, 2013, 05:27:57 PM
Without turning this into yet another 'fired' thread, there is a real possibility this could become one more missed opportunity for the Beach Boys, of which there have been countless. Sure, it may become a great album without the name but wouldn't it have been nice!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on September 24, 2013, 05:41:48 PM
Without turning this into yet another 'fired' thread, there is a real possibility this could become one more missed opportunity for the Beach Boys, of which there have been countless. Sure, it may become a great album without the name but wouldn't it have been nice!

Had Mike been apart of this (and had it been labeled a Beach Boys record), guaranteed it would not be the same album that Joe Thomas has just described. It would be another TWGMTR: a compromise album with cheesy "let's take a trip back to the good days" songs that we'd all complain about.

It sucks that Mike can't just lend his vocals, some ideas to the lyrics based off Brian's vision, and maybe a sax solo if Brian's into it. I'd love to see them collaborate again, but Mike has got to lay off the nostalgia, and Brian's management (or Brian) needs to let Mike actually work with him.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on September 24, 2013, 05:53:30 PM
Not excited about another album ghostwritten and produced by Joe Thomas, which this will probably be


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: BJL on September 24, 2013, 06:29:28 PM
Not excited about another album ghostwritten and produced by Joe Thomas, which this will probably be

Joe Thomas is not talented enough to have ghostwritten the Brian songs on TWGMTR. I think that is quite plain. Now as for produced.....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: doinnothin on September 24, 2013, 06:30:55 PM
"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  ::)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on September 24, 2013, 07:11:54 PM
Without turning this into yet another 'fired' thread, there is a real possibility this could become one more missed opportunity for the Beach Boys, of which there have been countless. Sure, it may become a great album without the name but wouldn't it have been nice!

Had Mike been apart of this (and had it been labeled a Beach Boys record), guaranteed it would not be the same album that Joe Thomas has just described. It would be another TWGMTR: a compromise album with cheesy "let's take a trip back to the good days" songs that we'd all complain about.

It sucks that Mike can't just lend his vocals, some ideas to the lyrics based off Brian's vision, and maybe a sax solo if Brian's into it. I'd love to see them collaborate again, but Mike has got to lay off the nostalgia, and Brian's management (or Brian) needs to let Mike actually work with him.

Well of course! As the story says it is the 3rd part of what Brian sees as his life trilogy after 'Pet Sounds' and 'SMiLE', neither of which had the input of Mike that other albums had.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on September 24, 2013, 07:19:55 PM
Wow. Okay guys, they just compared this to Pet Sounds AND Smile... Holy........

I mean, Blow by Blow is incredible, hell, most of Beck's stuff is... and we know Brian... This is seriously making me VERY hopeful.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on September 24, 2013, 07:23:07 PM
"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  ::)

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 24, 2013, 07:28:19 PM
"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  ::)

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....

I know he promises this a lot, but that sure does sound like that could be great, too.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Cam Mott on September 24, 2013, 07:28:57 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I might if someone was trying to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 24, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
Not excited about another album ghostwritten and produced by Joe Thomas, which this will probably be

http://notes.andrewromano.net/joethomasbeachboys

Read this interview if you're unclear what role Joe Thomas had in That's Why God Made the Radio.  Seems to me, while he did play a very large role, it was still Brian calling all the shots and the album was still very much Brian's.  And how could the songs be ghostwritten by Thomas when they are clearly credited to Thomas as a co-writer?  Brian has never been one to hide that he needs help with his music, even in the 60s, he barely ever wrote a song by himself.  He had Mike Love, Tony Asher, Roger Christian, Van Dyke Parks, and Gary Usher.  Now he has Joe Thomas.  He might not be in the same caliber of the other guys I mentioned but he's someone Brian trusts and is comfortable with so that's who he chooses to work with.  I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on September 24, 2013, 07:51:46 PM
Wow. Okay guys, they just compared this to Pet Sounds AND Smile... Holy........

I mean, Blow by Blow is incredible, hell, most of Beck's stuff is... and we know Brian... This is seriously making me VERY hopeful.


Keep in mind that Al compared TWGMTR to Pet Sounds and that Bruce compared it to Sunflower. While there were moments on the album that could remind you of those two, it was obviously quite different. I don't think "Bill And Sue" sounds like anything from those two. So I wouldn't really expect this album to be the third in a trilogy.

Rather, I'd expect it to be another great collection of new Brian Wilson songs following up TWGMTR. Probably a few new things that will blow our minds, maybe a few embarrassing things, some vocals that sound positively beautiful, some vocals that sound like they maybe shoulda been redone, etc. You know, a latter day Brian Wilson album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on September 24, 2013, 07:54:17 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I might if someone was trying to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.

Brian's rock and roll album will come out when Mike Love commercially releases a new solo album and Bruce Johnston pitches those songs he's been saving up to Nashville.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: leggo of my ego on September 24, 2013, 07:57:13 PM
With the wound of Love's "firing" of Wilson from the Beach Boys still raw, the songwriter is moving forward, and with a sense of determination he hasn't felt in years.

 ::) IS this a Joe Thomas quote? or just some xtra drama thrown in by the writer of the article.... ::)

Why did the story have to be 80% bloatware and 20% useful info?



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on September 24, 2013, 07:59:27 PM
Remember one thing - we haven't heard a single note from any of these sessions - and this is pre-tour/release hype(hat) in a major way.

Also - there were supposedly 28 tunes recorded for the TWGMTR sessions - and only 13 of those snuck out....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on September 24, 2013, 08:18:25 PM
They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on September 24, 2013, 08:32:26 PM
They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on

True that, however I guess it was decided by the higher-ups that 13 tracks of what we would deem 'the great stuff' such as "Think About the Days" and "Summer's Gone" "From There to Back Again" to name a few, would not have been commercial enough or great live during the C50 gigs.   


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Phoenix on September 24, 2013, 08:44:38 PM
And he has recorded 25 songs for this album (though obviously many won't make the final cut)!? Plus more recording after New Years? Has this happened for any other Brian Wilson release? Where he has recorded so much for one album?

That's probably slow compared to the pace he worked in the 560's but the demand was so intense back then that they just churned them out 12 at a time without letting them pile up.  Recently tho, I seriously doubt it.  From the sound if it, maybe Brian really IS back this time. :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on September 24, 2013, 09:08:28 PM
Sounds like it doesn't get released until next spring.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on September 24, 2013, 09:43:05 PM
Well, next spring will be here soon enough (...I'm still wondering where LAST spring went!). If this album is worth waiting for, let's give the guys a little time to get it done well.

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I might if someone was trying to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.

I have that feeling too. It all seems like standard pre-album press hype to me. That's how the game works. You're recording an album with a guy whose greatest days are probably, given the balance of probabilities, behind him. What do you do? You talk up the work-in-progress by suggesting that it pays homage to, or is in some ways the successor to, the artist's greatest works from way back in the day. This is Brian, so we get the suggestion that this is the third part of a trilogy comprising Pet Sounds and SMiLE. If this record turns out anything like that, cynical old me will eat a capacious fedora entirely composed of wine gums, as that's a pretty tall order, right there. Talk about a tough act to follow.

(although a little, untarnished voice inside me says... wouldn't it be nice? Just imagine we DID get a record that lived up to THAT description. Wow!)

Back in the real world, Joe Thomas is also seriously off on his Beach Boys history, which doesn't give me much confidence. To wit: "He looked at life as three different movements. One was 'Pet Sounds,' the other was 'Smile' and then, he wanted to go out with a bang and have a look back at life from an adult. 'Pet Sounds' was when he was just a kid. 'Smile' was when he was a little more savvy and in the business awhile. And now, this is a guy looking back at life and where he is now"

Those last three sentences makes it sound like Pet Sounds was recorded REALLY early on, SMiLE somewhere in the middle of Brian's career, and this new thing now. As if we got Pet Sounds in 1963 (round about where the Surfer Girl album REALLY happened), SMiLE in about 1976 where Love You actually was, and now we get this. Whereas actually Pet Sounds and most of what we recognise as definitely belonging to SMiLE happened within 16 or 17 *months*, from November 1965 to Spring 1967.

The real killer would be if we heard this kind of stuff before the release, and then the album turned out like Imagination. There's nothing worse than someone reaching to the skies with the hype, suggesting we're gonna see some kind of amazing rocket ship released... and then eventually the day comes, the hangar doors creak open... and there's a paper plane sitting there.




...Actually, I guess that's kind of what happened with SMiLE, and then Smiley Smile, isn't it!!  ;)   Except I think the paper plane in that instance was a lovingly folded thing of beauty covered in charming childish drawings. Perhaps a better analogy would be: you're pumped up to expect some sort of 'You Only Live Twice' funky planet-eating super-rocket of some sort, and when the sliding false top of the volcano launch base slides back to the accompaniment of lots of complicated John Barry ninth chords and you finally get a peek in, there's a poorly assembled, mass-produced Kinder Surprise toy plane sitting all alone in the silo surrounded by lots of space. And a dazed Brian mumbling something about doing a Spectoresque rock and roll album next time.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: AlFall on September 24, 2013, 10:10:36 PM
They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on

I may be in the minority here, but "Bill and Sue" is a very fun and catchy track, and it has a sense of humor - something that Brian's always had. There was quite a bit of humor on Smile on songs like Barnyard and Vegetables.  "Beaches in Mind" is also catchy, it has excellent vocal harmonies (better than what you hear on 99.9% of records made today), and its theme is appropriate for a 50 year reunion.

TWGMTR is an album that's grown on me. It has as much of a "plot" as Pet Sounds did. It starts with relection about the past and present, as is appropriate for a 50th reunion. The songs speak of the happiness of the past and the brief joy of a reunion, when those fun times can be re-lived.  As it would happen in a real 50th reunion, there is talk about good times of the past, and even some humorous lament about the stupid TV shows that young people watch nowadays (a typical feeling of older people).  There is a desire to rekindle old relationships ("Shelter"). Soon, however, it's time for the reunion to end, and we begin to realize that the old relationships won't be rekindled, as much as we repeatedly pray that they will ("Daybreak Over the Ocean", "From There To Back Again").  We then want simply to escape and have fun ("Beaches in Mind"), but it can never be like the old days - the people are just different, and the world is different. ("Strange World") . We had fun at the reunion, but we can never go back. We are left alone to face our old age, telling ourselves that maybe we're better off alone anyway.  ("Pacific Coast Highway") . The reality sinks in; the reunion is over, and it's time to face real life again.  ("Summer's Gone")


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on September 24, 2013, 10:18:30 PM
They must have recorded a lot of sh*t if Beaches in Mind, The Private Life, etc. made it on


I may be in the minority here, but "Bill and Sue" is a very fun and catchy track, and it has a sense of humor - something that Brian's always had.

Ah, hell, I'm gonna 'come out', here — I like Bill & Sue, too. It sounds a leeeeeedle bit close to 'South American' from Imagination for my taste, but I think it's great. Mind you, I like 'South American'. One of the few tracks on Imagination I can sit through quite happily.

Beaches In Mind is probably TWGMTR's weakest track, but c'mon, this is from a guy who put THAT version of Louie Louie on SD,V.II, and finished off the sublime Side 2 of Today with the sound of the band getting a hamburger and pickle delivery, rhapsodising about French bread, and talking about raw lambs' heads with the hair burnt off...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: chrs_mrgn on September 24, 2013, 10:23:58 PM
You know the article did say that other artists involved have yet to be named.

Who would you guys like to see featured on the album?
Who do you think would realistically be featured on the album?

I could hope for some Mike and Bruce involvement but I highly highly doubt we will get it.
Also I feel like really anyone could be named. Before anything came up about Jeff Beck
He would have been one of the last people I guessed....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 24, 2013, 11:35:10 PM
"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  ::)

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....

First recorded sighting of Brian's R&R album - summer 1999.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 24, 2013, 11:37:19 PM
Wow. Okay guys, they just compared this to Pet Sounds AND Smile... Holy........

I mean, Blow by Blow is incredible, hell, most of Beck's stuff is... and we know Brian... This is seriously making me VERY hopeful.


Keep in mind that Al compared TWGMTR to Pet Sounds and that Bruce compared it to Sunflower. While there were moments on the album that could remind you of those two, it was obviously quite different. I don't think "Bill And Sue" sounds like anything from those two. So I wouldn't really expect this album to be the third in a trilogy.

Rather, I'd expect it to be another great collection of new Brian Wilson songs following up TWGMTR. Probably a few new things that will blow our minds, maybe a few embarrassing things, some vocals that sound positively beautiful, some vocals that sound like they maybe shoulda been redone, etc. You know, a latter day Brian Wilson album.

That would be 'new' as in 'newly recorded', as Brian has stated in a recent interview that none are newly-written.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dave Modny on September 24, 2013, 11:48:36 PM
"[Brian is] already thinking about the album he wants to record after he finishes the current one. 'I would like to do a rock 'n' roll album, the Phil Spector type of rock 'n' roll,' he says. 'I'm interested in doing a rock 'n' roll album, something that would make people clap and be happy.'"

You don't say, Brian.  ::)

Sure. That's what he said after his last album was released. And the one before that. And the one before that. And the one before that....

First recorded sighting of Brian's R&R album - summer 1999.


I'll take it back even further than that, Andrew. When I first got my Sweet Insanity tape, way back in '92, there was a radio interview tagged onto it that Brian did, slightly before then, where he also mentioned wanting to record the notorious "rock and roll" album.

(Or...was it him just wanting to record a song that went "A rock. A roll. A rockin'-and-a-rollin'," and which he also sang a few bars from? My mind is cloudy. Though, I do seem to recollect a mention of him working with Carole King on it.)

I also remember one aspect of that live radio interview, vividly, because he said the "f word" twice by mistake...with no bleep to catch it! Good ol' Brian...lol!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 25, 2013, 12:11:58 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on September 25, 2013, 12:14:49 AM
This is all just hype. Brian already did the 3rd part of his trilogy, TLOS. Now if the new album in any way compares with that one in quality, I will be impressed.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 25, 2013, 02:01:50 AM
It'll certainly be instructive, and possibly amusing, to compare the finished product with the pre-release publicity.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 25, 2013, 03:00:32 AM
Absolutely. A certain amount of skepticism is necessary (for me at least).

Since Imagination was released, and my incontainable excitement turned to crushing disappointment and disillusionment,  I've learnt to not expect much. That way I sometimes get to be pleasantly surprised, like I was when TLOS came out of nowhere.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: buddhahat on September 25, 2013, 04:06:11 AM
Part 3 of a 'trilogy' that also contains Pet Sounds & Smile? Mmm, I smell hype machine in full throttle.

Personally I find the description of the new songs as "fusion jazz rock with Brian singing, 'oohs' and 'aahs' " more compelling. Fusion jazz rock doesn't seem part of the familiar BW hype lexicon which suggests this might be an honest attempt to do something creative and experimental. Even if it's godawful which wilsonized fusion jazz rock has the potential to be, at least it sounds like he's defying expectations and going with his muse.

The life suite comments are also heartening. The pessimist in me worries that we might've had the cream of the crop from the life suite already, but those few songs on TWGMTR were so unexpectedly brilliant that anything in a similar vein would be welcome. I wonder if the TWGMTR life suite songs will be included in the album, ignored, or re-recorded or what.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on September 25, 2013, 04:09:21 AM
So I wouldn't really expect this album to be the third in a trilogy.

I even fail to see the connection between Pet Sounds and SMiLE as part 1 and 2 of a trilogy. Pet Sounds and TLOS, yeah, maybe.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on September 25, 2013, 04:42:05 AM
I'm very curious as to what this is going to turn out as.

I loved the part of the life suite we were given on TWGMTR. I'd personally put it somewhere in between Today and Pet Sounds in terms of how much I liked it. Those three songs were Brian Wilson songs. Personal, beautifully constructed pieces of music. It had the magic.
I feel hopeful coming from that. There are 4 Beach Boys singing on the album too. Aside from the songs not being fantastic, I don't think much could go wrong with it.

Anyway, we're apparently going to be hearing atleast one of the tracks on the Jeff Beck tour, we'll get some insight to the album from that.


Strange though, that of the 25 songs, none of them are newly written? I find that really weird. I thought that between Brian and Jeff (Beck.) they had created some great creative chemistry. When I heard about that, I figured they were writing new songs together.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: doc smiley on September 25, 2013, 06:55:29 AM
we've been referring to the 25 tracks that are in the can already and that they are going back in the studio in the spring.. Let's not forget the 3 CD plan that they announced not that long ago.. With the Life Suite as one of the CD's so lets just see what happens.. :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pablo. on September 25, 2013, 07:43:02 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: clack on September 25, 2013, 08:00:20 AM
That would be 'new' as in 'newly recorded', as Brian has stated in a recent interview that none are newly-written.
Didn't he also claim that one of the songs was titled 'He Come Down'? I wouldn't take what Brian says in an interview as the gospel truth.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: doc smiley on September 25, 2013, 08:36:33 AM
That would be 'new' as in 'newly recorded', as Brian has stated in a recent interview that none are newly-written.
Didn't he also claim that one of the songs was titled 'He Come Down'? I wouldn't take what Brian says in an interview as the gospel truth.

Now it was posted that Brian confirmed that  'He Come Down' is not the same song as 'He Came Down' from CATP, but could it be a reworking of "God Did It"( I think that was the title)  from the Paley sessions?
I throw that out there if its true nothing is newly written...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Rocker on September 25, 2013, 09:11:00 AM
Brian Wilson - the man who crafted Girl Don't Tell Me

 ;D

Thanks for the link. Sounds interesting. We'll have to wait and see. They mention that other guests might be involved. Maybe that could be Mike and Bruce on a few tracks. Maybe also Matt Jardine.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on September 25, 2013, 09:19:59 AM
Wow. Okay guys, they just compared this to Pet Sounds AND Smile... Holy........

I mean, Blow by Blow is incredible, hell, most of Beck's stuff is... and we know Brian... This is seriously making me VERY hopeful.


Keep in mind that Al compared TWGMTR to Pet Sounds and that Bruce compared it to Sunflower. While there were moments on the album that could remind you of those two, it was obviously quite different. I don't think "Bill And Sue" sounds like anything from those two. So I wouldn't really expect this album to be the third in a trilogy.

Rather, I'd expect it to be another great collection of new Brian Wilson songs following up TWGMTR. Probably a few new things that will blow our minds, maybe a few embarrassing things, some vocals that sound positively beautiful, some vocals that sound like they maybe shoulda been redone, etc. You know, a latter day Brian Wilson album.

That would be 'new' as in 'newly recorded', as Brian has stated in a recent interview that none are newly-written.

And you really would take Brian's word in that? Especially given that we know some of the songs recorded are improvisatory instrumentals driven by Jeff Beck? Almost by definition, those can't be old tunes.

My suspicion is that it will be along the lines of TWGMTR -- about a third of the songs being older, a third refashioned in some way (new lyrics or arrangement approach), and a third newly written.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on September 25, 2013, 09:22:00 AM
That would be 'new' as in 'newly recorded', as Brian has stated in a recent interview that none are newly-written.
Didn't he also claim that one of the songs was titled 'He Come Down'? I wouldn't take what Brian says in an interview as the gospel truth.

Now it was posted that Brian confirmed that  'He Come Down' is not the same song as 'He Came Down' from CATP, but could it be a reworking of "God Did It"( I think that was the title)  from the Paley sessions?
I throw that out there if its true nothing is newly written...

I believe that Howie posted that the songs were different and that Brian didn't have a title for the new one.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on September 25, 2013, 09:29:01 AM
In terms of hype, I don't trust JT in the least. But TWGMTR was a far better record than I expected, and the guests should prove interesting.

To my mind, Brian has proved, with TLOS, BWRG and TWGMTR, his latter-day creative worth. These three records, released over five years, are the best stretch he's put together since the 60s. Or the mid-70s, if you count Adult Child. No, he's not super prolific as a songwriter. But his studio vocals, vocal arrangements and production work have delivered the goods.

I expect no less here. But if it sucks, we still have a batch of quality latter day BW material to appreciate.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on September 25, 2013, 09:54:30 AM
I have that feeling too. It all seems like standard pre-album press hype to me. That's how the game works. You're recording an album with a guy whose greatest days are probably, given the balance of probabilities, behind him. What do you do? You talk up the work-in-progress by suggesting that it pays homage to, or is in some ways the successor to, the artist's greatest works from way back in the day. This is Brian, so we get the suggestion that this is the third part of a trilogy comprising Pet Sounds and SMiLE. If this record turns out anything like that, cynical old me will eat a capacious fedora entirely composed of wine gums, as that's a pretty tall order, right there. Talk about a tough act to follow.


Utterly spot on Matt. Everything BW's done for the last umpteen years has been "y'know, it kinda has that Pst Sounds vibe to it" or "it's really reminiscent of Pet Sounds…" yadda yadda.

It's marketing bollocks and JTs potentially setting BW up for a fall if be album sounds nothing like PS or Smile or doesn't meet expectations in that regard. Doing him no favours.

I look forward to assessing it on its own merits. I don't really want part three of a trilogy that was never a trilogy in the first place.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ontor pertawst on September 25, 2013, 10:10:41 AM
Yeah, why doesn't Joe Thomas badmouth their work and say it's reminiscent of the worst tracks from Imagination instead?! It's almost like he's doing press interviews in support of their product or something!

I'm just glad we've got Brian, Al, David, and Blondie in a studio recordin' tracks. In 2013. Seems a bit surreal to see that entry on The Beach Boys Family and Friends (lawsuit pending) Timeline, really.

The Beck noodling with Jardine/Brian chanting oooo ahhh etc sounds fine by me, I'm not expecting Pet Sounds. But you can't blame 'em too much for being ambitious and excited.

Once Jeff Beck gets bored and their management starts hating each other, they should consider doing the suite live in late 2014-2015ish. Especially with Al on board with "From There to Back Again." A good way to tie up the loose ends and present it as a continuous whole. That'd make for a really special tour and a nice way to continue their work together.

Then we can begin crafting dueling playlists of "the suite" from RADIO, the solo album, live stuff, etc. Sighing over what could've been for the ensuing decade.

Altho, really -- what's actually happening isn't really that bad, huh? C'mon, Greek Theatre! Run James Run, muthafuckas!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: DonnyL on September 25, 2013, 03:30:41 PM
Well, next spring will be here soon enough (...I'm still wondering where LAST spring went!). If this album is worth waiting for, let's give the guys a little time to get it done well.

I hope I'm wrong but I feel like I might if someone was trying to sell me a bridge in Brooklyn.

I have that feeling too. It all seems like standard pre-album press hype to me. That's how the game works. You're recording an album with a guy whose greatest days are probably, given the balance of probabilities, behind him. What do you do? You talk up the work-in-progress by suggesting that it pays homage to, or is in some ways the successor to, the artist's greatest works from way back in the day. This is Brian, so we get the suggestion that this is the third part of a trilogy comprising Pet Sounds and SMiLE. If this record turns out anything like that, cynical old me will eat a capacious fedora entirely composed of wine gums, as that's a pretty tall order, right there. Talk about a tough act to follow.

(although a little, untarnished voice inside me says... wouldn't it be nice? Just imagine we DID get a record that lived up to THAT description. Wow!)

Back in the real world, Joe Thomas is also seriously off on his Beach Boys history, which doesn't give me much confidence. To wit: "He looked at life as three different movements. One was 'Pet Sounds,' the other was 'Smile' and then, he wanted to go out with a bang and have a look back at life from an adult. 'Pet Sounds' was when he was just a kid. 'Smile' was when he was a little more savvy and in the business awhile. And now, this is a guy looking back at life and where he is now"

Those last three sentences makes it sound like Pet Sounds was recorded REALLY early on, SMiLE somewhere in the middle of Brian's career, and this new thing now. As if we got Pet Sounds in 1963 (round about where the Surfer Girl album REALLY happened), SMiLE in about 1976 where Love You actually was, and now we get this. Whereas actually Pet Sounds and most of what we recognise as definitely belonging to SMiLE happened within 16 or 17 *months*, from November 1965 to Spring 1967.

The real killer would be if we heard this kind of stuff before the release, and then the album turned out like Imagination. There's nothing worse than someone reaching to the skies with the hype, suggesting we're gonna see some kind of amazing rocket ship released... and then eventually the day comes, the hangar doors creak open... and there's a paper plane sitting there.




...Actually, I guess that's kind of what happened with SMiLE, and then Smiley Smile, isn't it!!  ;)   Except I think the paper plane in that instance was a lovingly folded thing of beauty covered in charming childish drawings. Perhaps a better analogy would be: you're pumped up to expect some sort of 'You Only Live Twice' funky planet-eating super-rocket of some sort, and when the sliding false top of the volcano launch base slides back to the accompaniment of lots of complicated John Barry ninth chords and you finally get a peek in, there's a poorly assembled, mass-produced Kinder Surprise toy plane sitting all alone in the silo surrounded by lots of space. And a dazed Brian mumbling something about doing a Spectoresque rock and roll album next time.

PART I: IMAGINATION
PART II: THAT'S WHY GOD MADE THE RADIO
PART III: THIS THING


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on September 25, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Phoenix on September 25, 2013, 09:58:48 PM
So I wouldn't really expect this album to be the third in a trilogy.

I even fail to see the connection between Pet Sounds and SMiLE as part 1 and 2 of a trilogy. Pet Sounds and TLOS, yeah, maybe.

I agree.  Those are easily my two favorite Beach Boys albums but the only thing they have in common is Brian at the top of his game.  And he only finished one of them in that condition! 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jonathan Blum on September 25, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
Utterly spot on Matt. Everything BW's done for the last umpteen years has been "y'know, it kinda has that Pst Sounds vibe to it" or "it's really reminiscent of Pet Sounds…" yadda yadda.

It's marketing bollocks and JTs potentially setting BW up for a fall if be album sounds nothing like PS or Smile or doesn't meet expectations in that regard. Doing him no favours.

...Except that over those last umpteen (basically, ten) years, Brian's reputation as still-having-it has grown by leaps and bounds.  People have listened to the various works of the Brian Wilson Band and now the Beach Boys, and decided that he isn't just the brain-damaged voice-mangled drug-casualty shell of himself he'd been written off as.  Even if "That Lucky Old Sun" or "Gershwin" or "Radio" isn't actually Pet Sounds II, there's enough Pet-Sounds-ness in them that they've turned his reputation around -- he's not just seen as a shell of himself being propped up by the band who did "Kokomo", now he's a damaged guy still doing creative work with a little help from his friends.

Basically, it's worked.  The comparisons haven't hurt -- instead of a fall, turns out they set him up for a recovery.  So why knock it?  Don't fight the sea.

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on September 25, 2013, 11:18:34 PM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

I think "Happy Days" is a great song and while Joe Thomas's influence is all over Imagination, I think that track is just so quintessentially Brian Wilson.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 25, 2013, 11:27:34 PM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

That spooky section is from Smile. It's the link to the Holidays fade.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Alex on September 26, 2013, 01:18:47 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

That spooky section is from Smile. It's the link to the Holidays fade.

Happy Days is My Solution with a chorus lifted from All This Is That.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 26, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

That spooky section is from Smile. It's the link to the Holidays fade.

Happy Days is My Solution with a chorus lifted from All This Is That.

Yes, I know, but the "spooky" intro / fade insert that Micha was referring to, is from Holidays.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on September 26, 2013, 03:05:53 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

That spooky section is from Smile. It's the link to the Holidays fade.

Happy Days is My Solution with a chorus lifted from All This Is That.

Yes, I know, but the "spooky" intro / fade insert that Micha was referring to, is from Holidays.

No, I meant the My Solution section. The Holidays part isn't spooky.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 26, 2013, 04:51:42 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

That spooky section is from Smile. It's the link to the Holidays fade.

Happy Days is My Solution with a chorus lifted from All This Is That.

Yes, I know, but the "spooky" intro / fade insert that Micha was referring to, is from Holidays.

No, I meant the My Solution section. The Holidays part isn't spooky.

No you didn't. You meant the bit I meant. Just accept that I know better than you, and we'll all be happy.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Phoenix on September 26, 2013, 05:07:45 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on September 26, 2013, 05:09:27 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

That spooky section is from Smile. It's the link to the Holidays fade.

Happy Days is My Solution with a chorus lifted from All This Is That.

Yes, I know, but the "spooky" intro / fade insert that Micha was referring to, is from Holidays.

No, I meant the My Solution section. The Holidays part isn't spooky.

No you didn't. You meant the bit I meant. Just accept that I know better than you, and we'll all be happy.

Ach, why argue? :-D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on September 26, 2013, 05:23:41 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

Because "Happy Days" barely represents a link to the SMiLE music at all, and the fact that it's downright cringy most of the time (to me, anyway)....to compare it to the greatest of the man's work is a joke.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: LostArt on September 26, 2013, 05:39:30 AM
IIRC, Joe Thomas had the nerve to compare "Happy days" to Smile. So I don't think we should take this "trilogy" concept very seriously, although this could be (as in comic books) "retroactive continuity", just like when Brian, on every BWPS interview, talked about "the three movements" of Smile

"Happy Days" has a spooky part like the BR theme and two movements like Surf's Up. So why shouldn't he compare "Happy days" to Smile?

Because "Happy Days" barely represents a link to the SMiLE music at all, and the fact that it's downright cringy most of the time (to me, anyway)....to compare it to the greatest of the man's work is a joke.

When did Joe Thomas compare Happy Days to Smile, and what were his exact words?



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pablo. on September 26, 2013, 06:36:09 AM
It was mentioned on a review (NME, I'm pretty sure) of Imagination, (said review is no longer online, I think)

Yes, it has the Holiday bit, the My solution recycling, the ATIT ripoff, a faux 80's Pink Floyd sound effects, a sax solo more MOR than Trascendental meditation, and -depite I actually enjoy the song- it shouldn't be mentioned with the Smile music on the same sentence.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pacific Coast on September 26, 2013, 10:49:19 AM
It is inevitable that Brian's newest work is always hyped as the latest Pet Sounds or SMiLE, the same as the Beach Boys are always hyped for songs about girls, cars, and summer. Don't f*ck with the formula!  >:D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: DMBeard_13 on September 26, 2013, 11:45:23 AM
When Lee Dempsey and I were listening to "Happy Days" at the board with Thomas back in February of 1998, Lee and I both started singing "My Solution."

Joe's face lit up and his jaw dropped. 

He asked us how we knew it… We both looked at him and said, "It's Brian's Halloween track."   


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Paul J B on January 10, 2014, 07:24:58 AM
Has there been any news on this recently that I missed? It's coming up on a year and from all the buzz last Summer about it you would think it would have been in the can with a release date by now.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: alf wiedersehen on January 10, 2014, 07:42:35 AM
Has there been any news on this recently that I missed? It's coming up on a year and from all the buzz last Summer about it you would think it would have been in the can with a release date by now.

They took a break from making the album and said they were going to start up again this January.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Summertime Blooz on January 10, 2014, 07:51:51 AM
I'd forgotten all about this album until I saw the thread title. :-D Way to strike when the iron is ice cold, guys!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on January 10, 2014, 08:50:44 AM
With all the people that post on this board that have some connection to people in the band, I was hoping we'd hear a little bit by now about some of the songs on the new album.  Any winners?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on January 10, 2014, 10:08:34 AM
Anyone else find it strange that they pulled Brian's FB cover photo down regarding the new album, relatively shortly after it was posted?

Part of me wants to think the album could potentially be turning into another BB's album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jon Stebbins on January 10, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
I think some of you are forgetting that Brian has a feature film/biopic on his life that is in post-production and due out in the fourth quarter of this year. They are obviously lining up the new album release for that same time frame.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 10, 2014, 12:23:42 PM
The timing was all off for this project, having Brian and Beck tour long before the album was out. Wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing gets put aside, and all we get this year is another oldies tour from Brian.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: pixletwin on January 10, 2014, 12:24:46 PM
What Jon said.

I think some of you are forgetting that Brian has a feature film/biopic on his life that is in post-production and due out in the fourth quarter of this year. They are obviously lining up the new album release for that same time frame.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on January 10, 2014, 12:53:02 PM
I read that Brian is also preparing a soundtrack album for the movie. He has said he has three or four album projects going at the same time, including the soundtrack and a solo album. He may be pushing his solo album to late this year in order to release a soundtrack album at the same time as the movie, if the movie is coming out in spring or summer.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: joshferrell on January 10, 2014, 02:20:53 PM
I read that Brian is also preparing a soundtrack album for the movie. He has said he has three or four album projects going at the same time, including the soundtrack and a solo album. He may be pushing his solo album to late this year in order to release a soundtrack album at the same time as the movie, if the movie is coming out in spring or summer.
I wonder if the soundtrack will be remakes of old songs or all new songs/instrumentals. or both..


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on January 10, 2014, 02:24:31 PM
I read that Brian is also preparing a soundtrack album for the movie. He has said he has three or four album projects going at the same time, including the soundtrack and a solo album. He may be pushing his solo album to late this year in order to release a soundtrack album at the same time as the movie, if the movie is coming out in spring or summer.

Maybe go back up a couple of posts: 

I think some of you are forgetting that Brian has a feature film/biopic on his life that is in post-production and due out in the fourth quarter of this year. They are obviously lining up the new album release for that same time frame.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 10, 2014, 02:26:16 PM
I read that Brian is also preparing a soundtrack album for the movie. He has said he has three or four album projects going at the same time, including the soundtrack and a solo album. He may be pushing his solo album to late this year in order to release a soundtrack album at the same time as the movie, if the movie is coming out in spring or summer.

I recall the phrasing being more to the effect that he had three or so album's worth of material, not three actual albums. I may, of course, be wrong.  ::)

Thus (Rolling Stone, 6/20/13):

""Im nervous as hell!" says Brian Wilson, over a tuna melt at his favorite Beverly Hills deli. "But it's a good kind of nervous. I'm on a roll. I have so many songs, I can't believe it. I keep thinking, 'What's this record gonna be? I have no idea!'"
Rolling Stone

Actually, the record that Wilson started working on with longtime collaborator Joe Thomas almost immediately after wrapping up the Beach Boys' 50th-anniversary tour last fall has morphed into what could be three records: an album of new pop songs, recorded with his touring band and Beach Boys Al Jardine and David Marks (both of whom will also join Wilson at solo shows this Summer); a set of mostly instrumental new songs with an unlikely collaborator, British guitar legend Jeff Beck (who may also appear on the Wilson solo album); and a complex, melancholy group of interwoven tracks he calls "the suite," created in the modular style of SMiLE, and dealing with loss, vulnerability and hope as Wilson approaches the final chapter of his career."


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on January 10, 2014, 02:28:13 PM
I read that Brian is also preparing a soundtrack album for the movie. He has said he has three or four album projects going at the same time, including the soundtrack and a solo album. He may be pushing his solo album to late this year in order to release a soundtrack album at the same time as the movie, if the movie is coming out in spring or summer.

I recall the phrasing being more to the effect that he had three or so album's worth of material, not three actual albums. I may, of course, be wrong.  ::)

" Often outvoted, but never wrong" as my dad used to say...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on January 10, 2014, 05:45:33 PM
I was under the impression that the soundtrack would be a different album than his solo album, and that could conflict with a solo album if that was the case. I'm not saying I know that's in the cards, but just speculating due to the fact that folks are saying that Brian seems to be pushing off the solo album. I don't think it's a given that a solo album would come out at the exact same time as the biopic, because promoting the album would distract from promoting the film (and it contains material that presumably isn't in the film).

If I were Brian (and granted, I'M NOT!), it would make sense to release a solo album after film comes out, because he will get more publicity and build a larger audience for himself if the film does any business at all. Time the release so it's not right at the exact same time as the film release, but maybe a month or two later. If there are any catalog releases associated with the film, it will give those a chance to sell. He could also release a single or two around the time of the film instead of a whole album, or maybe there will be a new track or two on any soundtrack album, then dovetail into an entire solo album.  Which would be followed by a tour of the States and selected European/Australian/Asian countries.

Also, it's pretty much a given that the film will have a soundtrack album, whether Brian is officially working on one right now or not. He's probably been working on it all along, or somebody is. Every film has a soundtrack album. It will be interesting how much is Beach Boys and how much is Brian solo.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on January 10, 2014, 06:44:44 PM
FWIW,

There was an article in the L.A. Times the other day about the City of Santa Clarita, which is in north Los Angeles County.  It mentioned that much of the Brian Wilson movie was filmed in Santa Clarita.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on January 10, 2014, 11:17:37 PM
I was under the impression that the soundtrack would be a different album than his solo album, and that could conflict with a solo album if that was the case. I'm not saying I know that's in the cards, but just speculating due to the fact that folks are saying that Brian seems to be pushing off the solo album. I don't think it's a given that a solo album would come out at the exact same time as the biopic, because promoting the album would distract from promoting the film (and it contains material that presumably isn't in the film).

If I were Brian (and granted, I'M NOT!), it would make sense to release a solo album after film comes out, because he will get more publicity and build a larger audience for himself if the film does any business at all. Time the release so it's not right at the exact same time as the film release, but maybe a month or two later. If there are any catalog releases associated with the film, it will give those a chance to sell. He could also release a single or two around the time of the film instead of a whole album, or maybe there will be a new track or two on any soundtrack album, then dovetail into an entire solo album.  Which would be followed by a tour of the States and selected European/Australian/Asian countries.

Also, it's pretty much a given that the film will have a soundtrack album, whether Brian is officially working on one right now or not. He's probably been working on it all along, or somebody is. Every film has a soundtrack album. It will be interesting how much is Beach Boys and how much is Brian solo.

I was talking with a guy about what the soundtrack of Love & Mercy could be, and my basic assumption was thus: First, you probably throw a few Beach Boys hits on there (probably something like "Surfin' U.S.A.", "Wouldn't It Be Nice" and "Heroes And Villains") to rope in the random person who might have went to the movie and wants a few Beach Boys songs). Then maybe some Beach Boys album cuts, likely stuff like "This Whole World" or "'Til I Die". Then, since the movie is called Love & Mercy, that's probably gonna be on there. However, since the original recording is obviously pretty '80s, I could see Brian re-recording it. Now yes, I know he rerecorded in for the I Just Wasn't Made For These Times and then he also recorded in '05 as the medley with "Walking Down the Path of Life", but obviously the former was more of a piece with that album/film, and that the latter was a medley. And anyways, B Dub's management might think this would be a good opportunity to get the song out their again with a stately, Pet Sounds-like arrangement, and include that on the soundtrack as the one "new" Brian Wilson song included (note that I don't personally think that re-recording it that way would be all that smart).

Now anyways, after that, it's possibe, depending on licensing, that maybe you could end up with some other artists stuff. Maybe some Crystals, Ronettes, Beatles, possibly some Four Freshman even. Lastly, my biggest hope is that they decide to share previously unreleased older material, maybe like the piano and vocal version of "In the Back of My Mind" from 1975. I think something like that would be possible.

Anyways, sorry for going off on that tangent everybody. But I figured I'd just throw my opinion in here and say that I'm pretty sure that Brian's latest recordings will be for his new solo album, and that this album project will likely be an entirely different thing altogether than whatever this soundtrack ends up being (if there even is a soundtrack).


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 11, 2014, 12:07:35 AM
There had better be a scene that's 20 minutes of Brian playing the "Shortenin' Bread" riff, and an accompanying 20-minute-long version of it on the soundtrack.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on January 11, 2014, 05:31:23 AM
I recall the phrasing being more to the effect that he had three or so album's worth of material, not three actual albums. I may, of course, be wrong.  ::)

Willing to learn and not trying to be cocky: Shouldn't it be "three or so albums' worth of material", with the apostrophe at the end?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on January 11, 2014, 09:31:15 AM
Then, since the movie is called Love & Mercy, that's probably gonna be on there. However, since the original recording is obviously pretty '80s, I could see Brian re-recording it.

Ever since this movie was announced, I've wondered this same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PISkFEzC5XE - If he did rerecord it, I can see something like this being done (choir included - makes it sound heavenly).


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 11, 2014, 09:42:03 AM
I recall the phrasing being more to the effect that he had three or so album's worth of material, not three actual albums. I may, of course, be wrong.  ::)

Willing to learn and not trying to be cocky: Shouldn't it be "three or so albums' worth of material", with the apostrophe at the end?

Indeed, and you know damn well I can't correct your Russian grammar and spelling, dammit.  :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on January 12, 2014, 10:21:05 PM
If the release of the new album is pushed back, that's an indication it's not very good.  If it's good, they'll be trying to get it out sooner.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on January 12, 2014, 10:48:12 PM
Oh, I dunno - the release of Smile was delayed some 45 years, and that wasn't exactly shabby, was it ?  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 12, 2014, 11:36:52 PM
So maybe we'll be getting Brian's new music around 2050?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 13, 2014, 12:34:30 AM
I suspect it is a well organised campaign to tie in the movie and album release around the same period to maximise both exposure and sales. Brian's people are on top of it so don't worry!

(cough) ;)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on January 13, 2014, 05:47:46 AM
Oh, I dunno - the release of Smile was delayed some 45 years, and that wasn't exactly shabby, was it ?  ;D

Ahh, the wrapping was the best about it. :wink


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on January 13, 2014, 06:28:08 AM
I recall the phrasing being more to the effect that he had three or so album's worth of material, not three actual albums. I may, of course, be wrong.  ::)

Willing to learn and not trying to be cocky: Shouldn't it be "three or so albums' worth of material", with the apostrophe at the end?

Indeed, and you know damn well I can't correct your Russian grammar and spelling, dammit.  :lol

You have to be content with being able to correct all my misunderstandings regarding the Beach Boys. :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Paul J B on January 13, 2014, 07:24:38 AM
If the release of the new album is pushed back, that's an indication it's not very good.  If it's good, they'll be trying to get it out sooner.

Not sure about that....but it's very odd that it would be pushed back that far period. I guess it could coincide with the film as Stebbins suggested, but that seems really odd to me because the buzz around 'the new album' was already way last year and the Brian and Beck thing is long gone.
 
The threads about any upcoming BB's related shows this year are what got me wondering whatever happened to all this great new material. I think Brian on the road makes little sense these days, and since he was out there with Beck a few months ago and this new stuff was absent..... it makes no sense.

And why take a break if in Brian was really on a creative roll? A break to go back to touring?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 13, 2014, 11:13:51 AM
Any news on the book? That was set for 2015 so they could be all due in a spread late this year and early next.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on January 13, 2014, 11:44:16 AM
Who is going to be "singing" the role of Brian, in his various guises (there are at least three different actors playing him at three different stages of his life)? Brian did an overdub for the "American Family" movie to provide his own voice for a piano-only scene. It was jarring because the scene was young Brian and he doesn't sound like that anymore. Are the actors going to try to sound like him, or did they hire somebody, or is Brian going to attempt it himself? If it's the last, he might be busy providing some vocals for the movie songs.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on January 13, 2014, 12:37:15 PM
If the release of the new album is pushed back, that's an indication it's not very good.  If it's good, they'll be trying to get it out sooner.

Not sure about that....but it's very odd that it would be pushed back that far period. I guess it could coincide with the film as Stebbins suggested, but that seems really odd to me because the buzz around 'the new album' was already way last year and the Brian and Beck thing is long gone.
 
The threads about any upcoming BB's related shows this year are what got me wondering whatever happened to all this great new material. I think Brian on the road makes little sense these days, and since he was out there with Beck a few months ago and this new stuff was absent..... it makes no sense.

And why take a break if in Brian was really on a creative roll? A break to go back to touring?
My thoughts exactly.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on January 17, 2014, 06:05:04 AM
From Brian's Facebook page, today:


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Brian is back at it! In the studio with Scott, Darian and Shane.

(http://oi39.tinypic.com/fm0scl.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Fall Breaks on January 17, 2014, 06:30:25 AM
Who's Shane?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on January 17, 2014, 07:07:04 AM
Brian did a fall tour in the midst of recording the Gershwin record, IIRC. So it's not unheard of.

And given that no one has ever said when the new record is coming out, all this talk of delay is nonsense.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on January 17, 2014, 09:46:17 AM
Who's Shane?

I'm very glad you asked that! Didn't want to b first…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on January 17, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
I'm guessing Shane is some kind of guest musician, judging by the photo of him being taken with Brian. Perhaps they think Shane is so famous he only needs his first name to be mentioned and people will know who he is.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on January 17, 2014, 11:38:52 AM
You guys don't know Shane? Come on, it's SHANE!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on January 17, 2014, 11:50:33 AM
Hey, is that Shane Tutmarc?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on January 17, 2014, 12:20:33 PM
Bei mir bist du Shane.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Moz from Oz on February 02, 2014, 03:29:23 AM
I don't have a link so apologies as I was reading the paper at the pub, but there was an article about Jeff Beck and his upcoming Oz tour in Melbourne's Sunday Herald Sun. A few paragraphs were dedicated to last years tour and upcoming album with Brian. I may have misread but he seemed to say that the tour, although met with acclaim, wasn't a particularly enjoyable experience, due mainly to it being quickly organised  and that it felt like 2 separate shows within the concert. About the new album,and again I may be misquoting, but it read as the new BW album being a double album. The first one titled Brian Wilson, the 2nd titled Brian Wilson and Friends. Beck says he will be playing on 3 cuts but is yet to complete work on it. Hope someone can find a link because I've had no luck.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 02, 2014, 03:47:33 AM
That was published 19th January, as far as I can make out.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 02, 2014, 03:52:02 AM
I'm guessing Shane is some kind of guest musician, judging by the photo of him being taken with Brian. Perhaps they think Shane is so famous he only needs his first name to be mentioned and people will know who he is.

They'd be wrong, then.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 02, 2014, 07:43:05 AM
Well, it can't be Alan Ladd, as he's been dead for 50 years.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: joshferrell on February 02, 2014, 12:29:21 PM
it's Shane Presley  :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on February 06, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
I know Brian's people read this board.  Hey.  I'm talking to you, Brian's person.  Put out the damn album.  I haven't had the opportunity to send Brian any of my money in a couple years.  Make it happen. 



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on February 06, 2014, 09:44:09 PM
I know Brian's people read this board.  Hey.  I'm talking to you, Brian's person.  Put out the damn album.  I haven't had the opportunity to send Brian any of my money in a couple years.  Make it happen. 



Really? No opportunities to send Brian your money? In the past three years we've had The SMiLE Sessions, the Disney album, That's Why God Made The Radio, the remasters, more greatest hits releases, and Made In California. Not to mention the tours he's done. I have to assume you've had a few pretty decent chances to send dude your money!  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on February 06, 2014, 09:50:25 PM
Send the dough to me… I'll pass it on, honest…!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gertie J. on February 06, 2014, 09:50:56 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 06, 2014, 11:06:09 PM
The moment has passed for the Wilson/Beck album. Should've had it out when they toured together.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on February 06, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
Disagree.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: send me a picture and i'll tell you on February 06, 2014, 11:48:32 PM
So who the fvck is Shane?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on February 06, 2014, 11:54:45 PM
Shane! Y'know, THE Shane!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 07, 2014, 08:26:19 AM
Shane! Y'know, THE Shane!
Come back, Shane!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on February 07, 2014, 09:08:54 AM
I know Brian's people read this board.  Hey.  I'm talking to you, Brian's person.  Put out the damn album.  I haven't had the opportunity to send Brian any of my money in a couple years.  Make it happen. 



Really? No opportunities to send Brian your money? In the past three years we've had The SMiLE Sessions, the Disney album, That's Why God Made The Radio, the remasters, more greatest hits releases, and Made In California. Not to mention the tours he's done. I have to assume you've had a few pretty decent chances to send dude your money!  ;D

Well, maybe it's only been a year.  Still, I dream of sending him my money. 

YOU'RE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE BRIAN'S PEOPLE.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on February 20, 2014, 01:12:39 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jeff-beck-readying-very-important-album-20140220

Beck talks about his sessions with Brian. Not really good news.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 20, 2014, 01:16:58 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jeff-beck-readying-very-important-album-20140220

Beck talks about his sessions with Brian. Not really good news.
Just as I expected, though. Agree with his comments there.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on February 20, 2014, 01:20:12 PM
Thanks ORR.

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Before hitting the road, the duo collaborated in the studio for an upcoming Wilson album. “Well, you better ask Brian,” Beck says when asked about the status of the project. “I’m not sure. As far as I know, they made a mistake by grabbing me for a tour and opening up the floodgates for a tour prematurely instead of finishing the tracks. And so we left the studio with half-finished tracks – three, four tracks I was supposed to be on and they’re still unfinished. And to me it was a bit stupid because they should have done the album, had a killer album, and then gone out on the road. But I think they wanted to grab me while I was still available. That’s about it.”

Wasn't there a recent interview/revelation that stated there will be two BW albums? A Brian and Friends album, and another purely solo album? Perhaps some Jeff Beck cuts will end up on the Brian and Friends album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 20, 2014, 01:29:24 PM
I'm going to say it as bluntly as possible and I don't care if I offend...
 Brian's career is managed by fools and a half dead iguana could do a better job most of the time.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on February 20, 2014, 01:31:50 PM
Brian's career is managed by fools and a half dead iguana could do a better job most of the time.
It often seems that way..


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 20, 2014, 01:41:34 PM
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/jeff-beck-readying-very-important-album-20140220

Beck talks about his sessions with Brian. Not really good news.

Thanks for the link, though Beck's statement is not terribly encouraging.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: donald on February 20, 2014, 01:44:17 PM
Could it be the album is a turkey like GIOMH and they are trying to salvage it before release.......not to sound negative or anything.... ::)


Shane?   So famous he is known by a single name and can be counted among the elite: Sting, Cher, Bono, Beyonce, Lassie, Dracula, Popeye, and Lulu.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 20, 2014, 01:51:38 PM
I'm a little confused by Jeff Beck's statements.

Beck refers to unfinished or half finished tracks. I understand that and don't doubt that. However, I thought Jeff Beck's remaining job/role was to provide guitar to those tracks. Not to diminish Jeff Beck's talent, but couldn't somebody in Brian's band - or a hired hand - provide the lead guitar parts? Or, is Beck insinuating that he was going to contribute to the CONTINUED COMPOSING of the unfinished tracks? Not that that would surprise me....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on February 20, 2014, 02:00:25 PM
I misinterpreted that whole quote. I thought he meant he had 3-4 songs left to work on. If no tracks were actually completed, that is disheartening.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on February 20, 2014, 02:13:03 PM
Brian has a lot on his plate with the biopic going on. Remember, he is listed as a producer and there may be actual things to do connected to that, including the post-production phase. If there is supposed to be a double length album, then that may have been overreaching if he can't finish the tracks he already started. You would think Capitol would want product from him, but maybe they don't care. Where is Joe Thomas in all of this?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 20, 2014, 02:56:30 PM
Brian has a lot on his plate with the biopic going on. Remember, he is listed as a producer and there may be actual things to do connected to that, including the post-production phase. If there is supposed to be a double length album, then that may have been overreaching if he can't finish the tracks he already started. You would think Capitol would want product from him, but maybe they don't care. Where is Joe Thomas in all of this?

1 - I don't think Brian's involvement with the bio pic goes beyond advisory.

2 - Care to show me where anyone other than a fan said the album will be a double ?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 20, 2014, 03:01:34 PM
I'm a little confused by Jeff Beck's statements.

Beck refers to unfinished or half finished tracks. I understand that and don't doubt that. However, I thought Jeff Beck's remaining job/role was to provide guitar to those tracks. Not to diminish Jeff Beck's talent, but couldn't somebody in Brian's band - or a hired hand - provide the lead guitar parts? Or, is Beck insinuating that he was going to contribute to the CONTINUED COMPOSING of the unfinished tracks? Not that that would surprise me....
JBeck has very rarely contributed to the composition of his own albums; I don't think he'd be providing those kinds of services for Brian.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 20, 2014, 03:02:24 PM
Where do I apply to be Brian's manager?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: pixletwin on February 20, 2014, 03:09:11 PM
Maybe Blondie is supplying the guitar work. :D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 20, 2014, 03:14:51 PM
Where do I apply to be Brian's manager?

Monster.com

:lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 20, 2014, 03:17:32 PM
Billy, get your resuime on there..... :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 20, 2014, 03:30:02 PM
I'm a little confused by Jeff Beck's statements.

Beck refers to unfinished or half finished tracks. I understand that and don't doubt that. However, I thought Jeff Beck's remaining job/role was to provide guitar to those tracks. Not to diminish Jeff Beck's talent, but couldn't somebody in Brian's band - or a hired hand - provide the lead guitar parts? Or, is Beck insinuating that he was going to contribute to the CONTINUED COMPOSING of the unfinished tracks? Not that that would surprise me....
JBeck has very rarely contributed to the composition of his own albums; I don't think he'd be providing those kinds of services for Brian.

Again, not to disparage Jeff Beck's guitar prowess, he's a legend, but...

Not since Brian's rock & roll days (1962 -1966) and certainly not in his solo years did Brian depend very much for the guitar to drive/carry his tracks. Specifically, very few tracks utilized a guitar solo. Blondie Chaplin, David Marks, Jeff Foskett would not be good replacements? Of course you wouldn't have the publicity of a Jeff Beck association unless his parts are locked into the existing tracks...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on February 20, 2014, 03:40:46 PM
Ergh...  >:(


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 20, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
Billy, get your resuime on there..... :lol :lol :lol

sh*t, I would've done a hell of a better job with the sound on MIC, that's for damn sure. Live Wild Honey, I'm glaring in YOUR direction >:(


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: sandmountainslim on February 20, 2014, 04:47:17 PM
Brian's career is managed by fools and a half dead iguana could do a better job most of the time.
It often seems that way..

Who exactly IS his management?   Does his BAND manage him?   
Too bad Alan Klein is dead :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on February 20, 2014, 05:08:32 PM
Someone named Jean Sievers. And Melinda, to a degree.I suspect Brian is difficult to manage and his enthusiasm varies. Jean also manages the musical portion of Jeff Bridges: career.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 20, 2014, 06:26:47 PM
Could it be the album is a turkey like GIOMH and they are trying to salvage it before release.......

There's a frightening thought.  At the very least, it looks like I'll have to readjust my expectations for this so as not to be disappointed.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on February 20, 2014, 06:32:53 PM
They clearly weren't very far along in their collaboration last fall. All they debuted on the road was an instrumental of "Danny Boy"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 20, 2014, 06:43:28 PM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on February 20, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on February 20, 2014, 07:40:45 PM
They clearly weren't very far along in their collaboration last fall. All they debuted on the road was an instrumental of "Danny Boy"

Jeff had already done a version of that song live, before he ever teamed up with Brian, so I don' t think that was part of their collaboration.  I'm not sure Beck really did have that much to add other than as a session guitarist. Maybe they did some kind of improv thing, but I don't think that style is Brian's long suit.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on February 20, 2014, 07:43:40 PM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

Well The Beatles had solo careers too


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: lee on February 20, 2014, 08:02:15 PM
Sounds like Jeff Beck has some sense. Completing the album and then touring together to promote the new album seems like common sense to me. Why they toured together before they had anything to promote didn't make much sense. I did attend one of the shows and left a Jeff Beck fan.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on February 20, 2014, 09:05:42 PM
This is all so perplexing... but kind of enlightening at the same time.  A guy like Jeff Beck, although talented as hell, has always had to work to stay relevant, and to make a living.  So he has to make smart business decisions, and by doing that for 40 years, he's very, very sucessful at what he does.  He's got money, he's got his health, he's got a great career, and he's got the ability to be creative and make his artwork the way he wants to do it.

A guy like Brian, though, it seems is so talented, and had such success early on that he's been able to squander his career!  The Beach Boys (I.E... Brian) have ALWAYS had sh*t management.  If you look back at their career, it's easier to see the mistakes than it is to see the good decisions they made.  

So a guy like Beck who has had to work hard to get where he is, looks at it, and thinks "well, why don't we just record 2 full songs, instead of 5 half-songs" because he knows that's the way to get things accomplished.  Brian on the other hand still has the clout and rock-star status to just do whatever the hell he wants and half-ass it.  

I say that with all respect towards Brian, but I wish he'd (or his management) treat it like a job every once in awhile.  It's his decision to make, though, and he's certainly earned the right to do whatever he wants however he wants.  




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Ultimately, at the end of the day, though, a focused, driven, intelligent Jeff Beck on his best day isn't going to make a 'better' album than a screwing-around, rolling with the flow, making it up as he goes along Genius Brian Wilson.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 20, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.
Which leads us back to the eternal questions, like does Brian still have an interest in recording? Or touring? Or is he just doing it because it's what he's expected to do?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on February 20, 2014, 11:06:33 PM
Could it be the album is a turkey like GIOMH and they are trying to salvage it before release.......not to sound negative or anything.... ::)


Shane?   So famous he is known by a single name and can be counted among the elite: Sting, Cher, Bono, Beyonce, Lassie, Dracula, Popeye, and Lulu.

It's gonna be a turkey. If they are still mining 1998 (the best songs were recorded presumably for TWGMTR) and have a car song called "Run James Run" I have little doubt in my mind. Brian seems to no longer have any creative drive. Why make an album if it's only a half effort?
 
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.
Which leads us back to the eternal questions, like does Brian still have an interest in recording? Or touring? Or is he just doing it because it's what he's expected to do?

Maybe the "new Landys" in his life believe he won't slip into severe depression again if he is recording/touring regularly. He's gonna be on the road forever.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on February 20, 2014, 11:21:50 PM
Could it be the album is a turkey like GIOMH and they are trying to salvage it before release.......not to sound negative or anything.... ::)


Shane?   So famous he is known by a single name and can be counted among the elite: Sting, Cher, Bono, Beyonce, Lassie, Dracula, Popeye, and Lulu.

It's gonna be a turkey. If they are still mining 1998 (the best songs were recorded presumably for TWGMTR) and have a car song called "Run James Run" I have little doubt in my mind. Brian seems to no longer have any creative drive. Why make an album if it's only a half effort?
 
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.
Which leads us back to the eternal questions, like does Brian still have an interest in recording? Or touring? Or is he just doing it because it's what he's expected to do?

Maybe the "new Landys" in his life believe he won't slip into severe depression again if he is recording/touring regularly. He's gonna be on the road forever.
And that is just plain sad. Brian is Not a performer, he's a songwriter/producer who happens to sing his own material. And I'm not even sure he wants to do that anymore. But this endless touring has gotta be like like the worst punishment conceivable for this man. I recall an interview where Brian was asked if he liked touring, and he said "yes, except for the performing part". Do I have the quote right, Mr. Stebbins?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on February 21, 2014, 01:10:06 AM
Hasn't Brian been in the studio for what, over a year now? Many months anyway. Maybe he's doing it the old way, working many songs the same time and whatever he feels like doing. That's why they have so many unfinished songs, propably dozens. And when there's no Beach Boys finishing those songs they are just floating there somewhere and we just got to hope he has the energy to put those things together. But there must be pressure from the record company too, and Brian's fb-page has been lately so active that I'm sure something big is coming sooner or later. That's all promotion. Maybe they are waiting first to get the release date for the biopic, and after that they give the release date for the new album. Maybe.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 21, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
I'm not a betting man - I just work in a bookmakers, trading in base human misery, literally snatching their hard-earned cash out of honest people's hands and FORCING them to squander it on slots and decrepit nags as their ill-clad children shiver outside in the wind and rain, whimpering with hunger while back home the bailiffs are evicting their wife, changing the locks and auctioning the furniture: I love my job -  but I'd wager a modest sum that the Beck/Wilson is withering on the vine.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on February 21, 2014, 01:32:06 AM
I'm not a betting man - I just work in a bookmakers, trading in base human misery, literally snatching their hard-earned cash out of honest people's hands and FORCING them to squander it on slots and decrepit nags as their ill-clad children shiver outside in the wind and rain, whimpering with hunger while back home the bailiffs are evicting their wife, changing the locks and auctioning the furniture: I love my job -  but I'd wager a modest sum that the Beck/Wilson is withering on the vine.
Best... post... in a long time. ;D And one of the saddest (not because of the hypothetical children.. because of Wilson/Beck). :-\


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on February 21, 2014, 01:42:25 AM
Let's wait and hear what comes out before we write it off, eh? "New Landys' is a rather unfortunate phrase given that, to these eyes, BW's made great positive progress over several years in his mental and spiritual state… that's more important than the day job, really, but I count myself as a fan and anticipate whatever he choses to release with relish.

Call me a gullible softy, but if people we dissing my own work before they'd seen it, I'd want to lamp them.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 21, 2014, 02:04:21 AM
Hasn't Brian been in the studio for what, over a year now?

Excellent shot - the first recorded session for the new album was February 19th last year.  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: HeyJude on February 21, 2014, 06:26:22 AM
We obviously don’t know what’s going on with Brian’s new material, with Beck or otherwise. But these Beck interviews snippets in and of themselves don’t seem to be a big deal to me. When I read some of the comments about Beck’s interviews, I assumed I would read Beck detailing a huge debacle in the studio or something. But no, he’s simply stating (for at least the second time in an interview I believe) that he seems to believe it would be better to finish an album and then tour behind it, rather than mount a tour in the middle of the sessions. He may well be right that the tour stopped the momentum of the album, I dunno. But it’s also odd, because Beck presumably was not forced to join Brian’s tour. If Beck thought it was such a disastrous idea, he wouldn’t have signed on to do the tour. Beck even admits in the interview that they may have grabbed him for a tour simply because it was a period of time they had him available.

Also worth noting is that at no point was this stuff billed as a joint Wilson-Beck album (other than perhaps that one article that implied Brian had vaguely three album’s worth of material), but rather Beck playing on Brian’s stuff. The descriptions of the material in articles made it sound intriguing and somewhat different; Brian’s music with Beck’s guitar, Al’s vocals, etc.

But it sounds to me like Brian is just continuing to hammer out music in the studio, and at some point they will be vetting the material into some sort of album. In an overall sense, I don’t think anything is off schedule or weird. I do think the material Brian did with Beck, and last year’s recording sessions in general, were hyped to the degree in some articles that it is objectively a bit surprising the material still hasn’t been released and there is no evidence it is imminent (as in finished and due for release in the next few months).

On the one hand, it sounds indeed like Brian may be taking another approach to piecing together an album. Normally though, I’d say it would be bizarre after the hype of several articles and interviews, not to mention a joint tour, for Brian to release an album and leave off any stuff with Beck on it. But we’re also talking about a Beach Boy (or Boys), so we have to be prepared for anything.

Let’s hope that Matt Jardine’s recent guide vocals for Brian weren’t for Joe Thomas’ long-in-gestation “Stars and Stripes – Deluxe Edition.”


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dancing Bear on February 21, 2014, 07:51:01 AM
why do some things in Brian's career in the last 15 years must be so manoeuvred?

Then, I guess, maybe it's more a projection of his personal life than Landyisms.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the captain on February 21, 2014, 07:54:06 AM
why do some things in Brian's career in the last 15 years must be so manoeuvred?

Last 15? I'd say closer to 40.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gregg on February 21, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
"Chicken Little had a big day today"  -Owsley


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Paul J B on February 21, 2014, 08:18:39 AM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.
Which leads us back to the eternal questions, like does Brian still have an interest in recording? Or touring? Or is he just doing it because it's what he's expected to do?

On his best days he may be half interested in recording or performing. Brian's "people" persuade this. I think anyone can see that Brian would be living out his days away from the public and music scene were he not pushed to do so.
If that is wrong or not....I'm not exactly sure.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Cyncie on February 21, 2014, 08:31:35 AM
I thought this was a Brian solo project with some guests and the Brian/ Beck tour evolved out of that. I missed the announcement, apparently, that this was supposed to be a joint project.

Anyway, how did we get from "Jeff Beck says he would have done things differently" to "See? Brian's being manipulated because he hates recording and touring? OMG! Brian's being 'Landyfied again!"

Not seeing it.



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on February 21, 2014, 09:27:33 AM
I think people suspect the motives of Brian's people because of the hype that was created out of his sudden collaboration with Beck. Plus the updates of Brian's studio activities. Maybe they should wait until he releases an album to publicize it, instead of posting studio photos and mentioning song titles.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: leggo of my ego on February 21, 2014, 11:50:19 AM
Well Ive been trying to clean my basement for three years so whats the big deal.

Old guys take their time.  :p


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Heysaboda on February 21, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
I'm not a betting man - I just work in a bookmakers, trading in base human misery, literally snatching their hard-earned cash out of honest people's hands and FORCING them to squander it on slots and decrepit nags as their ill-clad children shiver outside in the wind and rain, whimpering with hunger while back home the bailiffs are evicting their wife, changing the locks and auctioning the furniture: I love my job -  but I'd wager a modest sum that the Beck/Wilson is withering on the vine.

well... perhaps not so ill-clad???......



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 22, 2014, 01:46:38 AM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.
Which leads us back to the eternal questions, like does Brian still have an interest in recording? Or touring? Or is he just doing it because it's what he's expected to do?

On his best days he may be half interested in recording or performing. Brian's "people" persuade this. I think anyone can see that Brian would be living out his days away from the public and music scene were he not pushed to do so.
If that is wrong or not....I'm not exactly sure.

I think this is a crucial question.

Let me try to make a semi-educated observation: assuming that Brian suffers from what's called schizo-affective disorder, with a component of depression. I dare conjecture that he has a tendency to retreat, perhaps enter a state of inactivity. It is a psychiatric fact that this would aggravate his problem(s). In forms of depression, the inactive state leads to a more prominent role of the so-called 'default system in the brain'. Without naming the Latin terms for the relevant brain areas, in effect this will in turn mean: more and more ruminating, quite sombre circular thinking, and thus: more inactivity, perhaps combined with severe disturbances of diurnal rhythms, and loss of normal, sound sleep structure.

It is also soundly proven by neurobiological science that such a state of affairs can be prevented by: daily activity (doing something you are good at), and much, much social contact. Leaving one's own premises helps; so traveling, and entering new settings may be very important; in science publications it's known as 'novelty seeking', and 'being in enriched environments'.

So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Melinda and Brian's doctor(s) together would frequently encourage Bri to do what he's been doing for years now.

(This from your local amateur psychologist.)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Paul J B on February 28, 2014, 09:09:59 AM
I have to wonder if Brian - and the other BB's, for that matter - would've done better to end on the high note that was C50/TWGMTR? Naw  :p Whoever heard of going out on top...unless your name was the Beatles?

The unfortunate thing is that I'm pretty sure Brian can still put out a reasonably good album if it's something he's half-interested in.
Which leads us back to the eternal questions, like does Brian still have an interest in recording? Or touring? Or is he just doing it because it's what he's expected to do?

On his best days he may be half interested in recording or performing. Brian's "people" persuade this. I think anyone can see that Brian would be living out his days away from the public and music scene were he not pushed to do so.
If that is wrong or not....I'm not exactly sure.

I think this is a crucial question.

Let me try to make a semi-educated observation: assuming that Brian suffers from what's called schizo-affective disorder, with a component of depression. I dare conjecture that he has a tendency to retreat, perhaps enter a state of inactivity. It is a psychiatric fact that this would aggravate his problem(s). In forms of depression, the inactive state leads to a more prominent role of the so-called 'default system in the brain'. Without naming the Latin terms for the relevant brain areas, in effect this will in turn mean: more and more ruminating, quite sombre circular thinking, and thus: more inactivity, perhaps combined with severe disturbances of diurnal rhythms, and loss of normal, sound sleep structure.

It is also soundly proven by neurobiological science that such a state of affairs can be prevented by: daily activity (doing something you are good at), and much, much social contact. Leaving one's own premises helps; so traveling, and entering new settings may be very important; in science publications it's known as 'novelty seeking', and 'being in enriched environments'.

So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Melinda and Brian's doctor(s) together would frequently encourage Bri to do what he's been doing for years now.

(This from your local amateur psychologist.)

Could be.

My wife was reading a book called Heads In Beds by an author named Jacob Tomsky. The guy worked in the hotel industry and I guess the book is about amusing things that happened (I only read the stuff about Brian). To the chase, he had a few encounters with Brian Wilson and the "two guys" Brian was always with when he stayed at that hotel in NY. These guys that basically direct him when he is out in public are not body guards, they clearly "help" Brian. Again ...not saying that's wrong, but I have witnessed that scenario myself when I met Brian , and it's stuff like that which leave me convinced that Brian would be a recluse if "people" were not there persuading/helping/guiding.....whatever... him.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 28, 2014, 02:30:28 PM
Those "two guys" were most likely Evan Landy & Kevin Leslie.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 01, 2014, 01:29:23 AM
And getting back on topic (how unlike this forum...), I'm forming the very distinct impression that the Wilson/Beck collaboration is, if not exactly dead in the water, then smelling rather odd.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 01, 2014, 01:38:04 AM
Aye, wondering if it needs an impetus to drug it forward. What are the terms of Brian's current contract? Any fixed dates for delivery of product? Are his band members currently working with him or are they doing their own things until the school bell rings?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 01, 2014, 02:31:46 AM
[consults small print]

I could tell you the answers to your questions, but it appears I'd have to kill you, and then myself. The second part is the deal breaker, frankly.  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 01, 2014, 12:16:14 PM
I'm not sure where I read Brian was working on multiple albums, including one exclusively devoted to a Brian/Beck collaborative album, but I suspect that was faulty info to begin with.  If Beck is now saying they only worked on three or four tracks, it sounds more like he's a guest on Brian's latest attempt at one album, and those tracks may or may not make the final cut.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ArchStanton on March 02, 2014, 03:52:25 AM
The latest Rolling Stone featured Jeff Beck in a little blurb under their Random Notes section, with a quote that backs up the negative feelings everyone seems to have:

Quote
And he isn't sure what's happening with the music he recorded with Brian Wilson last year. "They made a mistake by grabbing me for a tour instead of finishing the tracks. It was a bit stupid."


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on March 02, 2014, 05:54:32 AM
Very obviously Brian is trying to create a new mythical unfinished album after SMiLE has more or less been finished. :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 02, 2014, 08:32:57 AM
I wonder what Beck felt about the tour itself? Did he enjoy it, have any problems, etc.? I vaguely recall Paul Simon being unhappy with his tour with Brian, for reasons that were never fully specified. Of course, that was many years before, and Brian was the opening act rather than a co-headliner.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on March 02, 2014, 10:25:21 AM
Could we all be honest?? Is anybody really upset Jeff Beck might not be on the album?

If Jeff Beck is not on the album, I don't think I'll be able to care less. I might even be happy. Because although I like him, I don't really think Jeff Beck and Brian are that great a combo. And if no Beck meant more Blondie and/or Al, then that is a trade off I'm willing to take.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on March 02, 2014, 10:27:02 AM
From some of AGD's comments, I get the impression the album is not happening.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on March 02, 2014, 10:34:19 AM
From some of AGD's comments, I get the impression the album is not happening.

I don't think so, I think it's just more that maybe Jeff Beck on the album isn't happening.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on March 02, 2014, 10:39:52 AM
This sounds like Smile.














I like smile.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on March 02, 2014, 10:47:07 AM
Maybe Jeff Beck doesn't want to be part of a mess.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on March 02, 2014, 10:57:32 AM
Maybe they ran into ANOTHER guy who doesn't come at Brian Wilson's BECKoned call.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 02, 2014, 11:17:12 AM
:lol Good one, SJS


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 02, 2014, 12:58:35 PM
Joe Thomas has said he collects several hours of Brian's composing and arranging ideas and then helps assemble them into songs. That might be why it takes so long. It's not as if Brian and Joe are simply sitting at a keyboard and writing a song. It's more piecemeal than that and Joe has to organize it all.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on March 02, 2014, 01:09:04 PM
Joe Thomas has said he collects several hours of Brian's composing and arranging ideas and then helps assemble them into songs. That might be why it takes so long. It's not as if Brian and Joe are simply sitting at a keyboard and writing a song. It's more piecemeal than that and Joe has to organize it all.
I suspect that was Andy Paley's role, too. Brian just doesn't have the focus that he had back in the 60's. We still want music from Brian, but he's not up to delivering it on his own.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 02, 2014, 01:18:24 PM
I would imagine that, if Brian's firing on all cylinders, he's moving rapidly from one idea to another, and with no one to discipline him to finish anything (and why should anyone?) there'll just be a mass of unfinished projects…

Then again, maybe there's a new project that's taken precedence, and the other stuff is merely on the backburner, for later… just maybe…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: mikeddonn on March 02, 2014, 01:21:39 PM
Joe Thomas has said he collects several hours of Brian's composing and arranging ideas and then helps assemble them into songs. That might be why it takes so long. It's not as if Brian and Joe are simply sitting at a keyboard and writing a song. It's more piecemeal than that and Joe has to organize it all.

Where was Joe in 1967?  Brian could have done with him back then!  ;D.  He had to wait for Darian to come along in 2004.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 02, 2014, 01:32:07 PM
Joe Thomas has said he collects several hours of Brian's composing and arranging ideas and then helps assemble them into songs. That might be why it takes so long. It's not as if Brian and Joe are simply sitting at a keyboard and writing a song. It's more piecemeal than that and Joe has to organize it all.

Where was Joe in 1967?  Brian could have done with him back then!  ;D.  He had to wait for Darian to come along in 2004.

A 1967 Joe wouldn't have helped the situation. The mystical power of the mullet wasn't in full bloom yet.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: southbay on March 02, 2014, 02:51:39 PM
Could we all be honest?? Is anybody really upset Jeff Beck might not be on the album?

If Jeff Beck is not on the album, I don't think I'll be able to care less. I might even be happy. Because although I like him, I don't really think Jeff Beck and Brian are that great a combo. And if no Beck meant more Blondie and/or Al, then that is a trade off I'm willing to take.
Not particularly, but "Metropolis" sounded intriguing, albeit mostly due to Jardine's involement


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on March 02, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
Won't be a bit surprised if the new album(s) are not out anytime soon, but Brian's handlers will certainly make sure he is out on the road this summer to play the oldies one more time. With or without Al and David.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pacific Coast on March 02, 2014, 10:14:42 PM
I'm convinced that when the rumors started of "three albums" what was meant is that there seems to be three types of songs with distinct flavors: (1) BB 2012 leftovers, (2) Beck 2013 collaborations, and (3) new BW solo. We know from Matt Jardine's comments that there's around nine songs with vocals now, so chill out.

I'm sure that Management deems it best to wait to release the album---whatever form it takes--when the Biopic brings the spotlight back to the Wilson Circus. That's a smart move, and if that means there's more time to lovingly craft a decent record, then all that's happened in the meanwhile is fanatical impatience. Relax and listen to MARCELLA 2012. Sweet!

  :smokin



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gohi on March 02, 2014, 10:28:51 PM
I really think Jardine and Marks aren't going to be with Brian this summer.
Just the vibe I'm picking up from the press releases.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 03, 2014, 12:12:42 AM
Beach boys album first, then BW biopic tie-in and near simultaneous new BW album with or without Beck cuts.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Paul J B on March 03, 2014, 07:40:48 AM
And getting back on topic (how unlike this forum...), I'm forming the very distinct impression that the Wilson/Beck collaboration is, if not exactly dead in the water, then smelling rather odd.

And that would be very odd but somehow not surprising. That Brian/Beck stuff got a lot of hype from a lot of people.... including Brian and Beck.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 03, 2014, 08:12:30 AM
I'm convinced that when the rumors started of "three albums" what was meant is that there seems to be three types of songs with distinct flavors: (1) BB 2012 leftovers, (2) Beck 2013 collaborations, and (3) new BW solo. We know from Matt Jardine's comments that there's around nine songs with vocals now, so chill out.

I'm sure that Management deems it best to wait to release the album---whatever form it takes--when the Biopic brings the spotlight back to the Wilson Circus. That's a smart move, and if that means there's more time to lovingly craft a decent record, then all that's happened in the meanwhile is fanatical impatience. Relax and listen to MARCELLA 2012. Sweet!

  :smokin



The rumors stem from an article in which Brian (I think - might have been Thomas) observed that there was enough material for three albums... which  is of course some way from anyone saying there will be three albums. Business as usual, some over eager fan reading what they want into a perfectly ordinary statement.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Les P on March 03, 2014, 09:59:03 AM
I'm convinced that when the rumors started of "three albums" what was meant is that there seems to be three types of songs with distinct flavors: (1) BB 2012 leftovers, (2) Beck 2013 collaborations, and (3) new BW solo. We know from Matt Jardine's comments that there's around nine songs with vocals now, so chill out.

I'm sure that Management deems it best to wait to release the album---whatever form it takes--when the Biopic brings the spotlight back to the Wilson Circus. That's a smart move, and if that means there's more time to lovingly craft a decent record, then all that's happened in the meanwhile is fanatical impatience. Relax and listen to MARCELLA 2012. Sweet!

  :smokin



The rumors stem from an article in which Brian (I think - might have been Thomas) observed that there was enough material for three albums... which  is of course some way from anyone saying there will be three albums. Business as usual, some over eager fan reading what they want into a perfectly ordinary statement.

I cannot find the article now, but my recollection is it was the writer - not Brian or Joe Thomas - who speculated the material being worked on could turn out to be three albums, based on the different styles and accumulating number of songs.  I definitely do not remember Brian making this comment.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the captain on March 03, 2014, 10:41:01 AM
I'm convinced that when the rumors started of "three albums" what was meant is that there seems to be three types of songs with distinct flavors: (1) BB 2012 leftovers, (2) Beck 2013 collaborations, and (3) new BW solo. We know from Matt Jardine's comments that there's around nine songs with vocals now, so chill out.

I'm sure that Management deems it best to wait to release the album---whatever form it takes--when the Biopic brings the spotlight back to the Wilson Circus. That's a smart move, and if that means there's more time to lovingly craft a decent record, then all that's happened in the meanwhile is fanatical impatience. Relax and listen to MARCELLA 2012. Sweet!

  :smokin



The rumors stem from an article in which Brian (I think - might have been Thomas) observed that there was enough material for three albums... which  is of course some way from anyone saying there will be three albums. Business as usual, some over eager fan reading what they want into a perfectly ordinary statement.

I cannot find the article now, but my recollection is it was the writer - not Brian or Joe Thomas - who speculated the material being worked on could turn out to be three albums, based on the different styles and accumulating number of songs.  I definitely do not remember Brian making this comment.

It appears to be Jason Fine, the Rolling Stone writer.

"Actually, the record that Wilson started working on with longtime collaborator Joe Thomas almost immediately after wrapping up the Beach Boys' 50th-anniversary tour last fall has morphed into what could be three records: an album of new pop songs, recorded with his touring band and Beach Boys Al Jardine and David Marks (both of whom will also join Wilson at solo shows this Summer); a set of mostly instrumental new songs with an unlikely collaborator, British guitar legend Jeff Beck (who may also appear on the Wilson solo album); and a complex, melancholy group of interwoven tracks he calls "the suite," created in the modular style of SMiLE, and dealing with loss, vulnerability and hope as Wilson approaches the final chapter of his career."

Rolling Stone, but I found it on the bw website. http://www.brianwilson.com/news/2013/6/20/brian-wilson-rocks-with-jeff-beck-plans-new-lps

Whether the reporter was told this or just inferred it isn't clear, but it is definitely presented as if it were a distinct possibility that there would be three different albums.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 03, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
Excellent - thanks for looking that up. Right now, I think we'll do well to get one...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: pixletwin on March 03, 2014, 12:05:41 PM
I'll take an album with Blondie over an ablum with JBeck, thanks.  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on March 03, 2014, 12:51:21 PM
I really think Jardine and Marks aren't going to be with Brian this summer.
Just the vibe I'm picking up from the press releases.
I think you're right. They don't have the rights to the Beach Boys name, which always makes for an awkward billing. The momentum of the last couple years has dissipated. I'm surprised, though, that there seem to be such high expectations for the BW bio pic. I'm not expecting much, although hopefully it will be better than the two previous BB tv bio pics.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 03, 2014, 01:04:26 PM
Any chance Al and Dave could do some dates with Mike and Bruce this summer?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pacific Coast on March 03, 2014, 01:38:09 PM
I'm convinced that when the rumors started of "three albums" what was meant is that there seems to be three types of songs with distinct flavors: (1) BB 2012 leftovers, (2) Beck 2013 collaborations, and (3) new BW solo. We know from Matt Jardine's comments that there's around nine songs with vocals now, so chill out.

I'm sure that Management deems it best to wait to release the album---whatever form it takes--when the Biopic brings the spotlight back to the Wilson Circus. That's a smart move, and if that means there's more time to lovingly craft a decent record, then all that's happened in the meanwhile is fanatical impatience. Relax and listen to MARCELLA 2012. Sweet!

  :smokin



The rumors stem from an article in which Brian (I think - might have been Thomas) observed that there was enough material for three albums... which  is of course some way from anyone saying there will be three albums. Business as usual, some over eager fan reading what they want into a perfectly ordinary statement.

I cannot find the article now, but my recollection is it was the writer - not Brian or Joe Thomas - who speculated the material being worked on could turn out to be three albums, based on the different styles and accumulating number of songs.  I definitely do not remember Brian making this comment.

It appears to be Jason Fine, the Rolling Stone writer.

"Actually, the record that Wilson started working on with longtime collaborator Joe Thomas almost immediately after wrapping up the Beach Boys' 50th-anniversary tour last fall has morphed into what could be three records: an album of new pop songs, recorded with his touring band and Beach Boys Al Jardine and David Marks (both of whom will also join Wilson at solo shows this Summer); a set of mostly instrumental new songs with an unlikely collaborator, British guitar legend Jeff Beck (who may also appear on the Wilson solo album); and a complex, melancholy group of interwoven tracks he calls "the suite," created in the modular style of SMiLE, and dealing with loss, vulnerability and hope as Wilson approaches the final chapter of his career."

Rolling Stone, but I found it on the bw website. http://www.brianwilson.com/news/2013/6/20/brian-wilson-rocks-with-jeff-beck-plans-new-lps

Whether the reporter was told this or just inferred it isn't clear, but it is definitely presented as if it were a distinct possibility that there would be three different albums.

I'm still convinced this is hyperbole: rather than "what could be three records"  --- there are three different styles of music. It's a mixed bag, in other words, and even Brian admits in the article: "I keep thinking, 'What's this record gonna be? I have no idea!'".

Let's not forget the author of the article is also associated with the Brian Wilson hype-machine, which not only polishes his public-image but strokes his ego too. So, massage the facts a little and it seems like the genius with writer's block who produced not more than two new collections of songs in the last twenty years is on a winning-streak again after the demise of the very successful Beach Boys reunion.

I'm sure an album is forthcoming around the time of the bio-pic, and I'm sure that it will be a BRIAN WILSON AND FRIENDS album, not a "Beach Boys" record.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on March 03, 2014, 02:06:49 PM
Any chance Al and Dave could do some dates with Mike and Bruce this summer?
"Mike Love's Beach Boys featuring Bruce Johnston, with special guests Al Jardine and David Marks"?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 03, 2014, 03:10:51 PM
No kidding that Jason Fine is part of the Brian Wilson hype machine. He's the writer Brian is working with to write his latest autobiography. I would think he should recuse himself from writing articles about Brian until well after that book is published, or at least reveal the relationship every time he writes one for RS or any other magazine. They probably spend lots of time together, and he's also not going to write anything that Team Wilson doesn't want him to.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jonathan Blum on March 03, 2014, 10:09:54 PM
No kidding that Jason Fine is part of the Brian Wilson hype machine. He's the writer Brian is working with to write his latest autobiography. I would think he should recuse himself from writing articles about Brian until well after that book is published, or at least reveal the relationship every time he writes one for RS or any other magazine. They probably spend lots of time together, and he's also not going to write anything that Team Wilson doesn't want him to.

Yeah, God forbid someone with inside access tell us what's happening.  I mean, that's perilously close to an official statement.  We should all stick with our ignorance, speculation, and AGD's gut feelings, it's the only way to really know what's going on.  :-)

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the captain on March 04, 2014, 03:35:29 PM
I wouldn't worry about music journalists recusing themselves... They aren't Supreme Court justices weighing in on constitutional questions, or even hard-news journalists, but people providing entertainment news, which is pretty much just fluff. I say this with all due respect to those of you working in the field--Howie, et al.--and my background is journalism as well, so it's with myself clearly visible in the mirror. But I wouldn't worry as much about conflict-of-interest questions when we're talking about somebody's next pop music album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 04, 2014, 11:42:41 PM
My current take (gut feeling, and if you saw the size of my gut, you's understand why it's a weighty opinion...) is that the Beck collaboration is patently on the ropes and the count's up to nine... the album's been in production for over a year and I'm not convinced it's going to be another Smile... looking like a case of too many cooks, maybe and we all know what happened the last time they tried that... chances are we'll get an album of some sort to tie in with the movie premier/fall tour.

In short - not sanguine.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: c-man on March 13, 2014, 04:12:20 AM
Another BW session was held yesterday at Oceanway, with Scott B., Brett Simons, Paul von Mertens, Probyn Gregory, and Jim Keltner...per pics on Facebook.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 13, 2014, 06:57:57 AM
Many thanks for that - whose Facebook pics Craig?  Seeing nothing on Brian's page…

Edit:  got there: Brett Simons:

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Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 13, 2014, 06:59:49 AM
Finally some interesting news about BW's new album. I wonder what songs are being "wilson-ized"?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Aomdiddlywalla on March 13, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
What is the interesting news?!!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 13, 2014, 10:53:23 AM
They finally revealed the last name of Brett. That's big news right there.

Why is Brian using so many musicians who are not members of his band? Jim Keltner on drums, Brett Simons on bass. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: MaxL on March 13, 2014, 10:58:47 AM
Brett Simons is/was in the BW band. Keltner's probably involved because of JT's connections, I don't know. Hoping to see some proper news come out soon(-ish), it's hard to maintain that much interest when you're just drip-fed studio selfies. Although if the biopic tie-in turns out to be a thing (which it most likely will) then it's understandable and all is forgiven.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 13, 2014, 12:11:43 PM
I didn't know Brett was in the BW band. I guess he's had various bass players through the years.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on March 13, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
Was Joe Thomas at the Ella Awards?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: c-man on March 13, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
I didn't know Brett was in the BW band. I guess he's had various bass players through the years.

Just two, really: Bob Lizik until 2008, then Brett until 2012, then Bob again, and now Brett again (apparently).
Brett's also on a few cuts from "TWGMTR" and appeared with The BBs on The Grammys.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: LostArt on March 13, 2014, 04:18:17 PM
Brett Simons is/was in the BW band. Keltner's probably involved because of JT's connections, I don't know. Hoping to see some proper news come out soon(-ish), it's hard to maintain that much interest when you're just drip-fed studio selfies. Although if the biopic tie-in turns out to be a thing (which it most likely will) then it's understandable and all is forgiven.

Jim Keltner is one of the best session drummers in L.A. and was the drummer for the I Just Wasn't Made for These Times doc.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on March 13, 2014, 05:33:15 PM
Must be a great album, they've been making it forever.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ThyRavenAscend on March 13, 2014, 06:43:40 PM
Must be a great album, they've been making it forever.

Or could be a bad album that they have to keep re-making...  :-\


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on March 13, 2014, 07:06:10 PM
Must be a great album, they've been making it forever.

Or could be a bad album that they have to keep re-making...  :-\

Can't be bad, cuz there have never been any Bad BW and/or BBs albums


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: joshferrell on March 13, 2014, 09:01:30 PM
Actually they have been recording hundreds of songs for a new beach boys cd but Mike keeps on rejecting them,so eventually they'll come up with 12 songs, it may take them 5-10 years but they'll get there,,  :lol :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: chrs_mrgn on March 14, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
Why is Brian using so many musicians who are not members of his band?

Mike asked the same question!

Maybe switching things up will get us something even better


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: soniclovenoize on March 15, 2014, 07:54:53 AM
Wait, Brian is on Morning Phase?!   :o

I'll have to give it another chance!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ESQ Editor on March 15, 2014, 07:28:39 PM
Not sure who has the new ESQ yet, but there's some news there…and I can confirm a new studio album is happening this year.

Probably September-ish.

Around the same time as the Brian movie.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on March 15, 2014, 07:30:25 PM
Is the autobiography coming out around then too?

September should be fun.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on March 15, 2014, 07:46:42 PM
Is the autobiography coming out around then too?

September should be fun.

Unfortunately I don't think the book is coming 'til 2015. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that was also a reason why things are quiet right now on the Brian front. I'm sure Jason Fine is being given quite a lot of time with Brian to fashion a coherent autobiography. And then of course I'm sure after a rough draft is written Brian will have to go over it. And unless it was already underway long before we knew about it, I'm sure a lot of work is going into it.

And despite what everybody probably thinks, I'm actually really excited for Brian's book. Not because I want any juice behind the scenes stories, but just because hopefully he will discuss the songs and albums more in depth, and cover eras like '71 to '75 in a better fashion than that *click-click* thing that was done with the first "autobiography".

The movie on the other hand, I'm not expecting much. Besides hopefully an interesting soundtrack that gives us some previously unreleased goodies!

And of course most of all, I'm super excited for the new album. Brian's been sounding great on his last few projects and I can't wait to hear Blondie and Al with him. And hopefully the material is once again strong.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on March 16, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
To be honest, I hope the album just has a bunch of super-weird crazy Brian songs.  I'm to the point where I enjoy those the most, stuff like "Shelter" and "Strange World" I really enjoyed.  I know we had basically a whole album of that with "Gettin' In Over My Head" and it all sucked... but the couple kind of wacked-out songs he's had on each album since then were usually my favorite. 



I'm not expecting much from the movie, i'm sure it won't be as good as the way I've always envisoned his history in my mind!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Alex on March 17, 2014, 04:18:38 AM
I'll take 40 minutes of Ding Dang bookended by two different 10 minute versions of Shortenin' Bread!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the professor on March 17, 2014, 07:45:44 AM
I have heard that the movie is a dud, essentially an homage to Melinda (Me-Landy) who saves Brian from himself and all those other jerks. It's going to be wretched. As for the album, I expect incoherence and maybe a few notable chords and some Al vocals, but it will be a tortured, senseless mess as a whole. Anything short of a BB album (made without JT and while Melinda is gone for 6 months visiting her sister) means nothing.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Robbie Mac on March 17, 2014, 08:44:26 AM
I have heard that the movie is a dud, essentially an homage to Melinda (Me-Landy) who saves Brian from himself and all those other jerks. It's going to be wretched. As for the album, I expect incoherence and maybe a few notable chords and some Al vocals, but it will be a tortured, senseless mess as a whole. Anything short of a BB album (made without JT and while Melinda is gone for 6 months visiting her sister) means nothing.


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"And you know this how?"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 17, 2014, 09:05:10 AM
I read the cast list a couple of days ago and noticed that Dee Stone, the mother in ET, is playing a character called Rosemary. I assume that Rosemary is Melinda's mom.  That alone made me think that the film is going to be very Melinda-heavy. That doesn't surprise me, either, because I don't think the movie would have ever been made without a lot of consistent pressure from Melinda. Brian has seemed to have had mixed feelings about a biopic. The movie has been discussed for years, with different screenplays and directors involved at different points, including Rob Reiner and David Leaf. It's possible that the movie is partly financed by Brian and his family, as well, and it wouldn't have been made without them putting up some capital.  It's an independent feature, so no studio is behind it and they had to get the money somewhere.

I don't think it's necessarily a totally bad thing if Melinda is featured heavily in it, but I'm sure some people might be offended. Especially if they make it look like Melinda solely was the reason that Brian was taken away from Gene Landy. She sometimes implies that's the case in interviews.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 17, 2014, 11:27:49 AM
I have heard that the movie is a dud, essentially an homage to Melinda (Me-Landy) who saves Brian from himself and all those other jerks. It's going to be wretched. As for the album, I expect incoherence and maybe a few notable chords and some Al vocals, but it will be a tortured, senseless mess as a whole. Anything short of a BB album (made without JT and while Melinda is gone for 6 months visiting her sister) means nothing.
Did you have beaches in mind on your spring vacation?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on March 17, 2014, 01:40:48 PM
I have heard that the movie is a dud, essentially an homage to Melinda (Me-Landy) who saves Brian from himself and all those other jerks. It's going to be wretched. As for the album, I expect incoherence and maybe a few notable chords and some Al vocals, but it will be a tortured, senseless mess as a whole. Anything short of a BB album (made without JT and while Melinda is gone for 6 months visiting her sister) means nothing.

Maybe the movie might stink, who knows? But I do know that you likely don't have an "in" with anybody involved with the project and therefore don't buy anything you claim to have "heard".

Also, why do you expect "incoherence" and maybe a few notable chords and Al vocals? Why will it be any more "senseless" than That's Why God Made The Radio? Just because Mike Love and Bruce Johnston aren't there? Sounds like a load of garbage to me. While I will happily admit that I would prefer all the living Beach Boys to work together, I'm still very happy Brian Wilson is writing and performing music, and not only that, but working with Al and Blondie. And if the music is as good as "From There To Back Again" I really don't care if it's listed as "The Beach Boys" or "Brian Wilson" as long as it's great.

And say what you will about "Melinda" as you call her, but last time I check she hasn't pumped Brian full of drugs that are on the verge of killing him, like Landy did. But hey, what do I know?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the professor on March 17, 2014, 02:27:17 PM
dude, let's keep an open mind and revisit this when the album and movie are out; just making a prediction, but I hope to be wrong! 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on March 17, 2014, 02:31:32 PM
let's keep an open mind

It's going to be wretched

:shrug


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the professor on March 17, 2014, 02:37:19 PM
look boys, you chastise me so I try to retreat to a moderate position in the absence of evidence. my sense is that something less than a masterpiece is slouching toward Bethlehem to be born. when it comes out I will evaluate it fairly.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: leggo of my ego on March 17, 2014, 02:46:04 PM
Wow morale is slipping on this thread.  :o

I am sure our patience will be rewarded.

Brian will make good, in his time.  :p


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 17, 2014, 03:47:46 PM
The movie business demands certain dramatic arcs to appeal to an audience. Maybe the only acceptable script that could be financed emphasized the romantic redemption angle.  I'm expecting it to possibly be a soapy Lifetime cable network type of movie. Hey, at least it got made. If it's even slightly entertaining it's a plus.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 17, 2014, 04:34:17 PM
The movie business demands certain dramatic arcs to appeal to an audience.

And there's the rub! Certainly the case more so in US bio's/movies. I'm dreading the cliché 'Brian at his lowest ebb- Melinda comes to the rescue' moment. Bring on the weepy violins!



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on March 17, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Melinda is no June Carter Cash, but when I saw I Walk the Line the love story aspect was great, I didn't have a problem with it. 

I've heard people criticise "Ray", but hell I liked that too.

I also enjoyed the Temptations movie, although it was pretty scripted up too.

So even though I know they'll kind of spice it up I hope they leave it alone enough that it's watchable at least.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on March 17, 2014, 07:42:52 PM
As I've said before, the fact the movie has so many incredibly talented people behind it, it should be fantastic.

Sadly, it will probably be awful, it's a hard movie to tell.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ThyRavenAscend on March 17, 2014, 10:10:39 PM
I just find it a privilege that one of our heroes is getting the movie-treatment.  This is way better than a TV movie--and I even enjoyed American Family for what it was.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: El Molé on March 19, 2014, 07:20:32 AM
I'm still really looking forward to this, but at the moment it does look like quite a big missed opportunity in terms of publicity. Brian has had a reasonably good run of well received albums and then something of a relative hit in TWGMTR. The C50 tour put Brian back in the spotlight and even the unpleasant aftermath kept him in the press. There seemed to be quite a bit of press last summer about Brian touring solo with some of the Beach Boys, doing well-reviewed shows with Jeff Beck, working with all of those people in the studio on an album that had started to get a bit of coverage and was being talked up by various people. Then the whole thing gets put on hold for over a year! I'm far from an expert on these things but it does seem like last year would have been a good time to get a new album out to a wider audience and capitalise on the momentum he'd built up.

Maybe the bio will recapture some of that momentum but it still seems a shame to me. Given that there was talk of quite a bit of material being worked on (the 'three albums' thing), maybe there could have been enough material to finish an album last year whilst still leaving an opportunity for a second one later this year.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pacific Coast on March 19, 2014, 10:55:19 AM
No lost momentum, in my opinion.

Don't be so impatient. You can't make the plant grow faster by digging up the seeds to see if they've sprouted.

 :hat


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: wantsomecorn on March 19, 2014, 02:55:22 PM
There's always a fun duality in seeing something like this as a fan.

Either we love it because we're huge fans or we hate it because we're huge fans.

It'll probably be 20/20 50/50.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: carl r on March 20, 2014, 02:43:23 AM
I have heard that the movie is a dud, essentially an homage to Melinda (Me-Landy) who saves Brian from himself and all those other jerks. It's going to be wretched. As for the album, I expect incoherence and maybe a few notable chords and some Al vocals, but it will be a tortured, senseless mess as a whole. Anything short of a BB album (made without JT and while Melinda is gone for 6 months visiting her sister) means nothing.
Did you have beaches in mind on your spring vacation?

Heh heh, exactly!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: El Molé on March 20, 2014, 02:44:35 AM
No lost momentum, in my opinion.

Don't be so impatient. You can't make the plant grow faster by digging up the seeds to see if they've sprouted.

 :hat

I'm not impatient, I just think that there was an opportunity for Brian to reach a wider audience with an earlier release. I could well be wrong though, obviously.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: carl r on March 20, 2014, 03:31:31 AM
I'm going to put my head on the line here, and say that the album will sell an amount of units somewhere between That Lucky Old Sun and TWGMTR. However, if it had come out last year, and got stinking reviews, it might have sold less than both. If it comes out this year and gets brilliant reviews, it might sell as many as TWGMTR! Does this help?

To be even more adventurous, I think the quality of the album might be somewhere between Gettin' [In] Out of My Head and Brian Wilson '88. Just like everything else (bar BWPS) in the last 10 years, perhaps?  :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ThyRavenAscend on March 20, 2014, 12:27:57 PM
No lost momentum, in my opinion.

Don't be so impatient. You can't make the plant grow faster by digging up the seeds to see if they've sprouted.

 :hat

I'm not impatient, I just think that there was an opportunity for Brian to reach a wider audience with an earlier release. I could well be wrong though, obviously.

I think it's smart for them to wait to release the album around the time of the release of the biopic.  I'd wager that movies get much more press than tours, which will hopefully bolster the album sales.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on March 20, 2014, 10:11:45 PM
I'm surprised that nobody noticed this post in the ESQ thread.

From the BW site....


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The new issue of ESQ has some exciting tidbits from Joe Thomas about Brian's new album. He gives a taste of one song entitled "Sail Away" including a chorus lyric. Thomas says the vibe of the new music is not along the lines of "TWGMTR", but more akin to a "Wild Honey and Carl and the Passions/So Tough" style. He says Brian is working in a higher gear and being very creative. Sounds incredible to me! 

This honestly sounds kinda exciting. I'm sure that the music probably won't sound much like Wild Honey, but I supposed it could maybe be a bit more like a slicker Carl and the Passions. Regardless, it does seem like this might actually be the "rock 'n roll" album Brian has been talking about, since those two albums that are referenced are two of The Beach Boys more rockin' projects. Of course, I'd like some more nice ballads too, as I think "From There To Back Again" and "Summer's Gone" are the most recent great Brian Wilson songs, and they also showcase Brian and Al's voices nicely.

Also, it's just nice to read about these new song titles. I was getting a little nervous about this new album, but I'm getting hopeful again that Brian has another classic up his sleeve.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 21, 2014, 01:10:07 AM
Suspect though that Joe Thomas is quite astute… he'll have read (or been informed) that the usual comparisons of new music to Pet Sounds material just don't wash with the fans anymore (as seen on this board in recent months) and alighted on a couple more hardcore favourites with which to draw comparisons and get the fans salivating unreservedly.

I suspect it's a mere marketing ploy… the next album after this will probably be compared to Beach Boys Today and Sunflower…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: c-man on March 21, 2014, 06:27:27 AM
To me, the comparisons to "Wild Honey" and "Carl and the Passions" would suggest less harmonies.
And maybe single-tracked leads. :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: phirnis on March 21, 2014, 07:44:53 AM
Or maybe it means the new album is going to contain lots of songs reminiscent of "Make It Good" and "Mama Says". ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Please delete my account on March 21, 2014, 08:01:15 AM
Or maybe it means the new album is going to contain lots of songs reminiscent of "Make It Good" and "Mama Says". ;D

That would suit me fine, particularly the latter!

Though seriously, I agree with John Manning and I don't really put much credence in the comparison.

Incidentally, it irks me that an album I'm interested in is delayed to coincide with a film I'm not interested in. But that's life I suppose.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ThyRavenAscend on March 21, 2014, 04:42:25 PM
To me, the comparisons to "Wild Honey" and "Carl and the Passions" would suggest less harmonies.
And maybe single-tracked leads. :)

Indeed.  Or the Wild Honey (and even, to some degree, CATP) comparison may suggest a more soulful album--this wouldn't be a surprise considering the resurgence of neo-soul in pop.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 21, 2014, 07:16:15 PM
Maybe he's comparing it to them in that the album is going to be very damn short.












I'm kidding. I think.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on March 21, 2014, 08:41:10 PM
Hopefully he means it's going to be Rock & Roll Rhythm & Blues.  Blue-Eyed Soul if you will.



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ESQ Editor on March 22, 2014, 03:21:28 AM
Suspect though that Joe Thomas is quite astute… he'll have read (or been informed) that the usual comparisons of new music to Pet Sounds material just don't wash with the fans anymore (as seen on this board in recent months) and alighted on a couple more hardcore favourites with which to draw comparisons and get the fans salivating unreservedly.

I suspect it's a mere marketing ploy… the next album after this will probably be compared to Beach Boys Today and Sunflower…

Joe and I don't really play these type of games with one another, or with the fans.  He was quite passionate about Brian's new work during our conversation.  I did not sense at any tome that he was trying to come up with new ways to get me (or anyone else) excited.  Joe was excited.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on March 22, 2014, 03:46:48 AM
Joe was excited.

yes, during the conversation his voice rose and fell in exact semitone increments.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 22, 2014, 04:08:29 AM
Joe was excited.

yes, during the conversation his voice rose and fell in exact semitone increments.

 :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on March 22, 2014, 06:24:53 AM
To me, the comparisons to "Wild Honey" and "Carl and the Passions" would suggest less harmonies.
And maybe single-tracked leads. :)

Not that you can trust ANYTHING that Brian says (or anyone in this whole scheme of things, honestly), but when I asked Brian during his Q&A thing if there were similarities to Friends and Sunflower in his new stuff, he said something like "well, yeah, just in the harmonies". I'm thinking it'll sound similar to Brian's other solo works of the past decade. I mean, you can definitely tell a modern BW record, whether it's Lucky Old Sun, Gershwin, whatever....by the sound-traits. I wouldn't be surprised if we get something that fits in neatly with everything else that is considered canon. I wouldn't mind, either, if the material is good and Brian sings it well.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Emdeeh on March 22, 2014, 08:32:50 AM
Joe was excited.

yes, during the conversation his voice rose and fell in exact semitone increments.

With robotic metallic overtones....  :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: monicker on March 22, 2014, 09:17:51 AM
(http://www.oocities.org/teobell/ProducerJoeThomas.gif)

Hey, someone told me they were talking about me over at a Beach Boys message board? That's cool but I never said anything about wild honey. But yeah, my R&B krazy style is so tough, so yeah! You lost me on that stuff about the "semitone increments" and "metallic overtones" though. Anyway, Morning Phase isn't really my type of jam so I'll leave you guys to that. Check me out on Twitter! New album drops THIS SUMMER!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: monicker on March 22, 2014, 09:30:05 AM
(http://www.ultraimg.com/images/gR65.jpg)

Oh, and one more thing, that ESQ Editor dude is telling it like it is...I don't play games with the fans. Be cool.

Subscribe to my Facebook page and enter a contest to win a free copy of my new album THIS SUMMER! THis one's gonna sound a lot like an old fan favorite!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on March 23, 2014, 05:32:51 PM
I'm surprised that nobody noticed this post in the ESQ thread.

From the BW site....


curt lambert 

Registered: 06/30/12
Posts: 94 
Posted 03/16   #1   

 
The new issue of ESQ has some exciting tidbits from Joe Thomas about Brian's new album. He gives a taste of one song entitled "Sail Away" including a chorus lyric. Thomas says the vibe of the new music is not along the lines of "TWGMTR", but more akin to a "Wild Honey and Carl and the Passions/So Tough" style. He says Brian is working in a higher gear and being very creative. Sounds incredible to me! 



I'm counting the minutes for this album

It's just a shame devil Thomas is involved


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on March 23, 2014, 09:34:42 PM
I hope the new album is not auto-tuned. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: STE on March 24, 2014, 01:50:46 AM


I hope the new tunes are not auto-albumed.




Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 24, 2014, 10:23:45 AM
:lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bonnevillemariner on March 24, 2014, 10:37:25 AM
Here's to hoping that the comparisons of the new album to Wild Honey and CatP are less apt than the comparisons of TWGMTR to Pet Sounds were. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on March 24, 2014, 01:39:19 PM
Here's to hoping that the comparisons of the new album to Wild Honey and CatP are less apt than the comparisons of TWGMTR to Pet Sounds were. 

That was Al, blame him for that comment.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on March 28, 2014, 07:35:41 AM
From Brian's official Facebook page:



Quote
Paul Von Mertens conducting the Empanada Strings with Peter Kent yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in Los Angeles, for Brian's upcoming album. (thanks Paul for the photo)

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2zntlle.jpg)



AND MORE:



Quote
Brian at the helm yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in L.A. Who's looking forward to the upcoming album?

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6r2aud.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Outtasight! on March 28, 2014, 02:29:34 PM
Many here dont seem too excited but I'm delighted that we have a new BW album on the way. Why would anyone who posts here not be? You cant beat the excitement of that first listen to brians latest creation.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: CenturyDeprived on March 28, 2014, 02:41:04 PM
From Brian's official Facebook page:



Quote
Paul Von Mertens conducting the Empanada Strings with Peter Kent yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in Los Angeles, for Brian's upcoming album. (thanks Paul for the photo)

(http://oi60.tinypic.com/2zntlle.jpg)



AND MORE:



Quote
Brian at the helm yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in L.A. Who's looking forward to the upcoming album?

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6r2aud.jpg)

I gotta say - that pic of Brian has got to be one of the best pics I've seen of him in a WHILE.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on March 28, 2014, 02:45:22 PM
Many here dont seem too excited but I'm delighted that we have a new BW album on the way. Why would anyone who posts here not be? You cant beat the excitement of that first listen to brians latest creation.

There has been talk of a new album for a long time now, and nothing new has really surfaced....I think this is why there is a lull in the enthusiasm. Once some audio previews become available I think this place will be brimming with excitement.

It's very encouraging to see a room full of string players...Can't wait to hear what they're working on!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 28, 2014, 06:35:31 PM
Brian's looking really good in that picture.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on March 28, 2014, 07:40:02 PM
Brian's looking really good in that picture.

He really is looking great. Looks like the Brian of 1965, just older.

I'm not gonna lie, I was getting kinda nervous last year because he was looking really old in some of the photos they were posting. But what I've seen lately he looks better than he has in years.


And lastly, yeah it's funny we're talking so much about Brian's appearance, like this is a Lady Gaga forum or something.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on March 29, 2014, 05:05:16 AM
New pic with drummer Kenny Aronoff.

(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1970873_10152308529322241_993681250_n.png)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 29, 2014, 06:26:52 AM
Could be two different Brians, years apart, to my eyes…

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6r2aud.jpg)

(https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/1970873_10152308529322241_993681250_n.png)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on March 29, 2014, 06:29:52 AM
Maybe he's comparing it to them in that the album is going to be very damn short.



When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?

Summer in Paradise: 41:02 [44:08 US]
L.A.: 40:54
15 Big Ones: 39:14
That's Why Brian Made The Radio: 38:49
The Beach Boys: 37:53
Sunflower: 36:49
Holland: 36:24
Pet Sounds: 35:52
Love You: 34:46
CATP: 34:20
Surf's Up: 33:51
Still Cruisin': 33:39
Keepin' The Summer Alive: 33:05
M.I.U. :32:14
Party: 31:04
20/20: 29:43
Today!: 28:55
Smiley Smile: 27:36
Shut Down Vol. 2: 27:31
Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!): 26:43
Friends: 25:29
Surfer Girl: 25:27
Little Deuce Coupe: 25:22
All Summer Long: 25:12
Surfin' Safari: 24:48
Surfin' U.S.A.: 24:25
Wild Honey: 24:23

[Well that was a waste of time]


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on March 29, 2014, 06:44:44 AM
Could be two different Brians, years apart, to my eyes…

It's the lighting and make-up/hair that does the effect. But still, in both pics, he's looking great. Considering all that he has went through over the years. And yeah, it's annoying when people think that Carl and the Passions is a short album. It's definetely not short, at least in BB terms.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 29, 2014, 06:47:24 AM
Fascinating list Freddie, my fave BBs albums all timed within two or three minutes of each other. Whole fresh debate about the definitive ideal length of an album opens up there…!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on March 29, 2014, 07:58:32 AM
Maybe he's comparing it to them in that the album is going to be very damn short.



When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?

Summer in Paradise: 41:02 [44:08 US]
L.A.: 40:54
15 Big Ones: 39:14
That's Why Brian Made The Radio: 38:49
The Beach Boys: 37:53
Sunflower: 36:49
Holland: 36:24
Pet Sounds: 35:52
Love You: 34:46
CATP: 34:20
Surf's Up: 33:51
Still Cruisin': 33:39
Keepin' The Summer Alive: 33:05
M.I.U. :32:14
Party: 31:04
20/20: 29:43
Today!: 28:55
Smiley Smile: 27:36
Shut Down Vol. 2: 27:31
Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!): 26:43
Friends: 25:29
Surfer Girl: 25:27
Little Deuce Coupe: 25:22
All Summer Long: 25:12
Surfin' Safari: 24:48
Surfin' U.S.A.: 24:25
Wild Honey: 24:23

[Well that was a waste of time]



While of course they're all  Genius/Classic(al)  albums, let's not forget they are the BEACH BOYS
   
By the way, you forgot:  BBs Concert, New Album, Brian Loves You, California Feeling, Landlocked, Adult Child..... BBs In Concert


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 29, 2014, 08:29:24 AM
Wow morale is slipping on this thread.  :o

I am sure our patience will be rewarded.

Brian will make good, in his time.  :p

This could be an almost verbatim quote from the Old Testament. Moses comforting his people.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on March 29, 2014, 08:49:24 AM
Maybe he's comparing it to them in that the album is going to be very damn short.



When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?

Summer in Paradise: 41:02 [44:08 US]
L.A.: 40:54
15 Big Ones: 39:14
That's Why Brian Made The Radio: 38:49
The Beach Boys: 37:53
Sunflower: 36:49
Holland: 36:24
Pet Sounds: 35:52
Love You: 34:46
CATP: 34:20
Surf's Up: 33:51
Still Cruisin': 33:39
Keepin' The Summer Alive: 33:05
M.I.U. :32:14
Party: 31:04
20/20: 29:43
Today!: 28:55
Smiley Smile: 27:36
Shut Down Vol. 2: 27:31
Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!): 26:43
Friends: 25:29
Surfer Girl: 25:27
Little Deuce Coupe: 25:22
All Summer Long: 25:12
Surfin' Safari: 24:48
Surfin' U.S.A.: 24:25
Wild Honey: 24:23

[Well that was a waste of time]



While of course they're all  Genius/Classic(al)  albums, let's not forget they are the BEACH BOYS
   
By the way, you forgot:  BBs Concert, New Album, Brian Loves You, California Feeling, Landlocked, Adult Child..... BBs In Concert


I wasn't going for a comprehensive list, and was only aiming for officially released studio albums


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on March 29, 2014, 08:54:25 AM


I wasn't going for a comprehensive list, and was only aiming for officially released studio albums

Sure, but you did so GOOD, you might as well do them all...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on March 29, 2014, 06:26:23 PM

AND MORE:



Quote
Brian at the helm yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in L.A. Who's looking forward to the upcoming album?

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6r2aud.jpg)

Brian looks fantastic in that pic, it's made my day.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on March 29, 2014, 07:13:15 PM

AND MORE:



Quote
Brian at the helm yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in L.A. Who's looking forward to the upcoming album?

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6r2aud.jpg)

Brian looks fantastic in that pic, it's made my day.

I think that anytime they're posting a new picture of Brian, they should have him holding a copy of that day's newspaper, so we'll know for certain they're not simply using old stock photos


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on March 29, 2014, 07:18:21 PM
:lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on March 29, 2014, 07:26:56 PM
… or a picture of that day's steak…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on March 29, 2014, 07:37:54 PM

AND MORE:



Quote
Brian at the helm yesterday at Ocean Way Recording in L.A. Who's looking forward to the upcoming album?

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/6r2aud.jpg)

Brian looks fantastic in that pic, it's made my day.

I think that anytime they're posting a new picture of Brian, they should have him holding a copy of that day's newspaper, so we'll know for certain they're not simply using old stock photos

He's got that "young Brian" look about him.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on March 29, 2014, 07:47:10 PM
He's got that "young Brian" look about him.

Makes me think he's genuinely happy about this album. Or he was promised cake before the photo was taken :-D

Either way he does look damn good.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on March 30, 2014, 02:46:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/NYr4L2G.png)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on March 30, 2014, 04:09:04 AM
 :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on March 30, 2014, 07:27:12 PM
We need a scientist to figure this sh*t out.  Follow Brian around, and pay attention.  See if the days that he looks 20 years younger, coincide with the days when he sings the sh*t out of his vocals... then see if the days when he looks like death warmed over are the days when he has off days and the vocals suck.  It's fascinating to see that not only does he sound great some days and bad others, he looks great some days and bad others.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on March 30, 2014, 10:19:23 PM
That recent photo is either Photoshopped or carefully lit to conceal Brian's double chin/turkey neck. Or he got plastic surgery.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on March 30, 2014, 10:29:03 PM
[Well that was a waste of time]

Well, I don't think so. You probably found the only ranking where SIP is in the top spot! :-D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on April 06, 2014, 05:32:37 AM
New pic: Brian recording a bass track.

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/11846_10152325250777241_2107945051_n.png)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 06, 2014, 05:36:59 AM
I didn't know the Beach Boys played on their own records…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Please delete my account on April 06, 2014, 06:22:32 AM

When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?


It's short when you skip the songs you don't like.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 06, 2014, 06:36:20 AM
New pic: Brian recording a bass track.

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/11846_10152325250777241_2107945051_n.png)
HOLY MOLY!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 06, 2014, 06:39:09 AM
He looks very tired, like the photo was taken after a full day of work. I hope that's the case, because Brian looked the same in the last photo the posted.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bluesno1fann on April 06, 2014, 07:10:59 AM
Maybe he's comparing it to them in that the album is going to be very damn short.



When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?

Summer in Paradise: 41:02 [44:08 US]
L.A.: 40:54
15 Big Ones: 39:14
That's Why Brian Made The Radio: 38:49
The Beach Boys: 37:53
Sunflower: 36:49
Holland: 36:24
Pet Sounds: 35:52
Love You: 34:46
CATP: 34:20
Surf's Up: 33:51
Still Cruisin': 33:39
Keepin' The Summer Alive: 33:05
M.I.U. :32:14
Party: 31:04
20/20: 29:43
Today!: 28:55
Smiley Smile: 27:36
Shut Down Vol. 2: 27:31
Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!): 26:43
Friends: 25:29
Surfer Girl: 25:27
Little Deuce Coupe: 25:22
All Summer Long: 25:12
Surfin' Safari: 24:48
Surfin' U.S.A.: 24:25
Wild Honey: 24:23

[Well that was a waste of time]



While of course they're all  Genius/Classic(al)  albums, let's not forget they are the BEACH BOYS
   
By the way, you forgot:  BBs Concert, New Album, Brian Loves You, California Feeling, Landlocked, Adult Child..... BBs In Concert


I wasn't going for a comprehensive list, and was only aiming for officially released studio albums

Okay. In that case you're missing the Christmas album ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 06, 2014, 07:18:02 AM
He looks very tired, like the photo was taken after a full day of work. I hope that's the case, because Brian looked the same in the last photo the posted.

He's going to be 72 in a couple of months.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 06, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
He looks very tired, like the photo was taken after a full day of work. I hope that's the case, because Brian looked the same in the last photo the posted.
Full day of work could be a good sign, too - couldn't it? Being actually involved and all, at almost 72. I have a very good feeling about this album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Generation42 on April 06, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
New pic: Brian recording a bass track.

(https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/11846_10152325250777241_2107945051_n.png)
Aw, that's great.

Short of including Mike and Bruce and calling it a Beach Boys release, the folks in charge of putting together Brian's new album have done everything I could have hoped for with this project.

From talk of considering numbers from the suite to including both key contributors from BB history and top-notch studio musicians, everything has looked really promising to me.  Now we have a picture which seems to show Brian recording bass tracks!  The one thing I wished for TWGMTR that just never came to pass was more instrumental input from the 'Boys (Brian, in particular).

If someone would have said Brian would be contributing instrumental tracks to this new album, I would have bet dollars-to-donuts that it would have been on the keys (and I hope he does that, too).  I don't think I ever would have bought that he'd be playing bass on the album.  If this photo really is legit, let us hope that his playing winds up on the final masters.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on April 06, 2014, 04:55:56 PM

When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?


It's short when you skip the songs you don't like.

Some people still don't understand the album format. Skipping does not exist.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 07, 2014, 10:18:22 PM
I'm going to throw the bullshit flag on Brian playing bass on the new album.

Now, i'm saying that, knowing FULL WELL that I just saw a picture of Brian in fact playing bass on the album.

I'm still gonna have to throw the flag.

I call Bullshit.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: HeyJude on April 08, 2014, 06:45:15 AM
I don’t see this bass issue as a big deal one way or the other. I don’t think Brian’s solo stuff has had a bunch of virtuoso bass performances (Lizik’s bass playing, for instance, is fine but kinda puts me to sleep), and Brian in his heyday playing bass was a solid but unremarkable bass player. There’s probably nothing for Brian to make sound much better or worse were he to actually play a bass track on his album. If the stuff he had Beck play on sounds anything remotely like Beck’s own work, then there’s no way Brian is tracking those sorts of bass parts.

Yeah, it’s kind of creepy if he’s not actually playing bass at all on the album and doesn’t play bass at all these days and they went to the trouble to pose him with headphones and a cord coming out of the bass. My guess is that he’s actually plugged in and taking a stab at tracking a bass line for something, but it’s probably a simple bass line, and they may or may not even use his performance on the recording. It absolutely is more of a curio as far as seeing him simply strapping a bass on. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 08, 2014, 07:10:08 AM
His playing was unremarkable, but the basslines he wrote were quite creative. WIBN, Help Me, Rhonda, Til I Die, Sherry She Needs Me, Dance Dance Dance, Good Vibrations, etc all have notable basslines. Technical proficiency is not the only aspect of a good player - Kurt Kobain for example was not at all a skilled guitar player, but came up with some really neat, original riffs. My guess is if Brian is really recording, it's because he either had a very specific part he just had to do himself to ensure it was done correctly, or that there was no other bass player around and he wanted to get whatever down on tape there and then. All of the bass playing on TWGMTR was very tight and precise, clearly played on a P-Bass with a pick. Playing with your thumb up by the neck like Brian does gets a wide, warm sound, quite different from how the bass sounded on TWGMTR. If the bass is mixed high, we might even be able to tell what song Brian himself played on.
Note - I am assuming Brian wrote all those basslines along with the rest of each arrangement, but I know other members/session musicians always had a hand in honing each individual part.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: kirt on April 08, 2014, 07:26:16 AM

When will people realise Carl and The Passions is one of the longer Bach Boys albums?


It's short when you skip the songs you don't like.

Some people still don't understand the album format. Skipping does not exist.


You pick up the needle and move it.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Steve Latshaw on April 08, 2014, 08:21:31 AM
I remember a quote from Brian's delightful interview with Harvey Kubernick in the 2007 tour booklet... perhaps the best interview I've read from Brian in recent years... funny and warm, completely unguarded.

In reference to a question about playing bass, Brian says, "I can't play bass for beans."


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 08, 2014, 08:23:00 PM
I'll say this.  I'm your typical amateur guitar player, I can sing enough and play enough to make girls smile, and that's good enough for me.

Here's the deal though... Brian sang, the high part of the harmony.... and played the low part of the rhthym or the bass line itself is kind of a part of the harmony.  So that's pretty damn hard, to play the low bass line and sing the high vocal line at the same time.  It kind of speaks to what we all know, he had a complete knowledge of the ENTIRE harmony, the entire 'wall of sound' on each song and was on each extreme of it. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 08, 2014, 09:01:30 PM
That's an amazing way of putting it. Well said.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: carl r on April 09, 2014, 12:50:59 AM
Isn't 'Shortenin' Bread' basically a bassline with rhythm? If we were going to hazard a guess as to what BW was playing in that picture, would I be totally wrong in thinking 'Shortenin' Bread'?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lemon on April 17, 2014, 05:24:51 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2606775/Brian-Wilson-steps-Beverly-Hills-wearing-Hawaiian-shirt-baggy-tracksuit-bottoms.html


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 17, 2014, 05:32:17 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2606775/Brian-Wilson-steps-Beverly-Hills-wearing-Hawaiian-shirt-baggy-tracksuit-bottoms.html

Classic newspaper stuff: `Downcast: The star looked a little downcast, maybe as it was announced the Beach Boys are set to perform in August without him.`




Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on April 17, 2014, 06:01:50 AM
Ergh, what an embarrassing article.  :P


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 17, 2014, 06:11:33 AM
I know I'm supposed to be (or not) more concerned about the crap article, but the photos are breaking my heart. I apologize for being shallow... :-[ :(


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 17, 2014, 06:18:57 AM
The piece tells you a lot more about be Daily Maul than it does about Brian or the BBs …. Wouldn't use it to wipe my arse.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 17, 2014, 07:18:04 AM
I know I'm supposed to be (or not) more concerned about the crap article, but the photos are breaking my heart. I apologize for being shallow... :-[ :(
I looked worse this morning. :P


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pacific Coast on April 17, 2014, 07:58:19 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2606775/Brian-Wilson-steps-Beverly-Hills-wearing-Hawaiian-shirt-baggy-tracksuit-bottoms.html

They must be desperate for content  today.
Those are photos of Brian at the Deli, where he can be found about six or eight times a day when he's not touring or recording.
If you ever visit, I recommend the Tuna Melt.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 17, 2014, 08:44:15 AM
No one older looks good in bright sunlight. Brian has gained and lost and re-gained a lot of weight over the years, and combined with weak bone structure, he has a lot of facial sagging. Better to look natural than go through another facelift like he did under Landy. Not every celeb can be like Joan Rivers.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Robbie Mac on April 17, 2014, 09:25:23 AM
Not every celeb can be like Joan Rivers.

Thank God for that!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on April 17, 2014, 11:31:57 AM
I think BW needs a personal trainer to get him into shape and away from the deli.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on April 17, 2014, 12:22:42 PM
I think BW needs a personal trainer to get him into shape and away from the deli.

I think people should just leave him the hell alone and let him do what he wants. He's earned it.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on April 17, 2014, 12:36:51 PM
I sort of agree with that comment, but he's a public figure, so he attracts attention wherever he goes.  You will have a lot less medical problems and feel better when you are in shape, as opposed to carrying that tub around.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: donald on April 17, 2014, 12:54:16 PM
a few comments

I hope they get this album right

Brian may be taking medication that is associated with weight gain

Brian may not be able to work out due to his orthopedic problems

Brian always loved to eat

I hate it when they strap a bass around him and make him pose


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Cabinessenceking on April 17, 2014, 12:59:36 PM
a few comments
I hate it when they strap a bass around him and make him pose

amen brother, but the group and those around them have got cheese up their noses. This group hasn't been hip since 1975.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 17, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
He does look worryingly heavy but that seems to be in his genes..

As long as Brian's healthy, that's all that matters


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 17, 2014, 04:34:03 PM
Brian doesn't give sh!t what people think. Gotta love the attitude!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 17, 2014, 05:00:50 PM
I'm pretty certain now those photos of Brian in the studio were 'touched up' a bit, as he looks very different in these photos; not just a bad day ie skin sagging where it didn't before.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 17, 2014, 05:06:02 PM
Brian doesn't give sh!t what people think.

I agree with you.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 17, 2014, 05:21:51 PM
I'm pretty certain now those photos of Brian in the studio were 'touched up' a bit, as he looks very different in these photos; not just a bad day ie skin sagging where it didn't before.

It's crazy, Brian can look like all hell, then suddenly look fantastic.

Remember at the grammy's he looked incredible, literally three days before that show there was some paparazzi photo where he looked like he was at deaths door.

Maybe he just doesn't photograph well.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 17, 2014, 05:49:04 PM
He looked pretty good at the C50 show I went to, but a few days before looked rough. I do think the studio photos were touched up, but I think these latest were just him having a bad day..looked more tired than anything else. Plus, in one of them he's squinting due to the sun.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 17, 2014, 06:08:12 PM
I'd love to go into that deli and be able to order a 'Brian Wilson Sandwich'. Steak for sure!

He's so loyal to that place it would beat a grammy! :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFMVW71bDmQ


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 17, 2014, 06:12:52 PM
It would have both medium rare AND medium well steak on it, and the bread would be in the shape of dress shoes.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 17, 2014, 06:15:49 PM
...laying on a bed of lettuce for 4 years?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bringahorseinhere? on April 17, 2014, 06:23:32 PM
let the man be!  he is 72, who gives a crap what he 'looks' like?.....
he has had a big life and a tough life to boot.... do so many understand the fact
as of this day, Brian Wilson lives?.......

he is a living songwriting, performing, engineer, producer, singer, that is still with us....

and yeah like another posted, Brian doesn't give a 'F*ck what he looks like'!!!

I love this man!

RickB


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 17, 2014, 06:57:42 PM
I suppose Brian should be happy paps still want to take his pictures and magazines/papers are willing to buy them. I wonder how much the Daily Mail paid for those photos of a typical old, heavy-set guy who just happens to be Brian Wilson?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 17, 2014, 06:59:31 PM
...laying on a bed of lettuce for 4 years?

:lol

'Aged Lettuce' sounds like something a really snooty restaurant would serve as a garnish for, I dunno, pigeons roasted in sh*t.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gertie J. on April 17, 2014, 07:02:11 PM
blahblahblahblahbla......


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 17, 2014, 07:08:48 PM
I'm pretty certain now those photos of Brian in the studio were 'touched up' a bit, as he looks very different in these photos; not just a bad day ie skin sagging where it didn't before.

I`m not sure they were necessarily touched up but maybe just tactically shot. Brian`s jowls are well hidden by the shadows or the angle of the shots.

The Daily Mail shots, on the other hand, have doubtless been chosen to make Brian look as bad as possible.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 18, 2014, 08:08:13 PM
There was a fantastic paparazzi photo of Brian about two years ago walking out of a chicken joint.  He looked like he was driving himself (he seemed to be alone) and had a bag of chicken with him, lol. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: c-man on April 19, 2014, 07:20:02 AM
...laying on a bed of lettuce for 4 years?

:lol

'Aged Lettuce' sounds like something a really snooty restaurant would serve as a garnish for, I dunno, pigeons roasted in sh*t.

That's freakin' hilarious!  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 19, 2014, 01:16:46 PM
Guy's 72 (ish) … he's not about to start getting ripped and running marathons. In some respects he's only recently started enjoying life. Maybe someone could buy him the Jane Fonda Workout DVD for his next birthday?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 19, 2014, 09:34:36 PM
I was searching through all these online paparazzi photos earlier and I can confirm for you, Brian literally looks like sh*t and then looks fine depending on what second they took the picture.  He's a pretty awkward guy and some pictures make him look like a corpse, and some he looks healthy and fine.  He's been like that for 10 years or so...

He's still very mobile, sings well, speaks well, works often... I'm not a doctor but he appears to be pretty healthy to me, nothing to worry about. 



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 21, 2014, 12:38:38 PM
http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2014/04/21/ex-beach-boy-al-jardine-shares-details-about-upcoming-brian-wilson-album/

Not much new here except that Al isn't involved at the moment.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the professor on April 21, 2014, 12:55:48 PM
wow, this is so typical: he sang a couple of backgrounds, a couple of leads, no guitar. . . .more of the hired hand, parachuting in stuff; no artistic collaboration or pride of purpose....perhaps one good rocker with Al singing and Dave playing...

"That's all I know about it"......grim at best.



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: HeyJude on April 21, 2014, 02:28:57 PM
wow, this is so typical: he sang a couple of backgrounds, a couple of leads, no guitar. . . .more of the hired hand, parachuting in stuff; no artistic collaboration or pride of purpose....perhaps one good rocker with Al singing and Dave playing...

"That's all I know about it"......grim at best.



I have no idea what may come of these album sessions. But Al’s level of involvement (and non-involvement) isn’t surprising at all. This was never a “Wilson & Jardine” album. It’s a Brian album with other guests. If anything,  Al (or anybody else) singing full leads on someone else’s solo album is more involvement than guests typically have.

Al’s non-involvement and lack of awareness of any of the logistics of it all is also not surprising. It’s clear they call Al when or if they want him to guest, and he presumably usually or always says yes. Al said as much last year, opining on possible tour dates but clearly not being involved in any actual planning. At best, he may be given a heads up about future events before fans know. It’s not a collaboration or a joint venture. Al wasn’t even one of the three guys directly involved in the “50 Big Ones” production company formed for the purposes of the reunion tour (those three apparently being Brian, Mike, and Joe Thomas).


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 21, 2014, 05:39:06 PM
Remember Al when TWGMTR came out

"I haven't heard it yet, I just sang on it and walked away"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 21, 2014, 05:56:03 PM
wow, this is so typical: he sang a couple of backgrounds, a couple of leads, no guitar. . . .more of the hired hand, parachuting in stuff; no artistic collaboration or pride of purpose....perhaps one good rocker with Al singing and Dave playing...

"That's all I know about it"......grim at best.



Pretty much the same as when Brian guested on Al`s album really.

I guess at least nowadays these guys are capable of working together which wasn`t the case for so long.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: joshferrell on April 21, 2014, 07:46:15 PM
He recorded a song called "Run James Run." that's interesting...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on April 21, 2014, 07:51:18 PM
You don't have Al on your album for his great guitar playing or songwriting skills, given that he has neither.

You have him on there for his voice. Leads and backgrounds on a few songs, given that it's a BW solo album, is precisely what one would expect from Al's involvement.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 21, 2014, 10:15:14 PM
I have no idea what may come of these album sessions. But Al’s level of involvement (and non-involvement) isn’t surprising at all. This was never a “Wilson & Jardine” album. It’s a Brian album with other guests.

Actually, to read some posts here from several months back, you'd think it was a Beach Boys album without Mike & Bruce, and some folk seemed pretty happy about that.

Originally, the strong impression given was that it was a joint Wilson/Beck album, but to judge from Jeff's comments earlier this year, that's dead in the water, so we've got a BW + friends album, with Joe Thomas at the helm.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 21, 2014, 10:58:31 PM
You don't have Al on your album for his great guitar playing or songwriting skills, given that he has neither.

You have him on there for his voice. Leads and backgrounds on a few songs, given that it's a BW solo album, is precisely what one would expect from Al's involvement.

Yeah, Al is a total piece of sh*t with a guitar. I just wish all these incompetents like Al, Brian, David etc. would be replaced by professionals because professionals are the best.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 21, 2014, 11:17:34 PM
I just listen to Imagination produced by Joe "Professional" Thomas and spend 200$ on a meal while others starve and then I never take showerz. I'm just sitting here being a professional while reversing the aging process. I hope they write that I was a professional on my tombstone.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 21, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
You don't have Al on your album for his great guitar playing or songwriting skills, given that he has neither.

You have him on there for his voice. Leads and backgrounds on a few songs, given that it's a BW solo album, is precisely what one would expect from Al's involvement.

Yeah, Al is a total piece of sh*t with a guitar. I just wish all these incompetents like Al, Brian, David etc. would be replaced by professionals because professionals are the best.

Y'know, none of the Beach Boys played on any of their records thassa fact…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Awesoman on April 22, 2014, 06:32:50 AM
I have no idea what may come of these album sessions. But Al’s level of involvement (and non-involvement) isn’t surprising at all. This was never a “Wilson & Jardine” album. It’s a Brian album with other guests.

Actually, to read some posts here from several months back, you'd think it was a Beach Boys album without Mike & Bruce, and some folk seemed pretty happy about that.

Originally, the strong impression given was that it was a joint Wilson/Beck album, but to judge from Jeff's comments earlier this year, that's dead in the water, so we've got a BW + friends album, with Joe Thomas at the helm.

Wasn't Don Was attached to this album at one point?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on April 22, 2014, 07:10:44 AM
From Brian's Facebook page:

"Brian at Ocean Way Recording yesterday in L.A. taking a break working on his new album."

(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/s480x480/10270401_10152360992682241_951784306257256045_n.png)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 22, 2014, 07:53:45 AM
Sometimes I feel very sad...

Sorry but that photo is a little difficult to look at.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 22, 2014, 07:57:26 AM
Why?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 22, 2014, 08:01:52 AM
Why?

...time, the subtle thief of youth...

In one of the photos taken last month Brian looked 25 years younger.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: rab2591 on April 22, 2014, 08:31:53 AM
Bad photos can happen to any of us - as others have said it just depends on the lighting, angle, etc.

Be thankful that man is in a recording studio with a smile on his face!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 22, 2014, 09:13:14 AM
It's not even a bad photo.. ??? It's a good photo. How do you think he looks? Dude is almost 72. Oh, and about that photo being good - that's an honest smile of his. Always great to see.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 22, 2014, 09:27:44 AM
It's not even a bad photo.. ??? It's a good photo. How do you think he looks? Dude is almost 72. Oh, and about that photo being good - that's an honest smile of his. Always great to see.

I can`t comment on what`s an honest smile or not but, without wishing to sound depressing, some of the photos of the band members recently have struck me as indicators of their mortality (for want of a better expression). Now obviously that`s only natural but it`s still not a pleasant thing to be confronted by.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 22, 2014, 09:32:57 AM
It's not even a bad photo.. ??? It's a good photo. How do you think he looks? Dude is almost 72. Oh, and about that photo being good - that's an honest smile of his. Always great to see.

I can`t comment on what`s an honest smile or not but, without wishing to sound depressing, some of the photos of the band members recently have struck me as indicators of their mortality (for want of a better expression). Now obviously that`s only natural but it`s still not a pleasant thing to be confronted by.
I don't know.. I don't feel that way about seeing current photographs of them. But I guess I can imagine what you mean..


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 22, 2014, 09:48:54 AM
I understand...the music is so deep and powerful that it's hard to accept the fact the creator of things like Pet Sounds or Til I Die has to die. What he created will last forever but Brian won't - and we're here to witness that end  :(

I don't think the photos of Brian have been so bad, but the aging is clear, even since C50.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 22, 2014, 10:20:34 AM
I think all the Beach Boys look okay for their age, including Brian. There are people their age who look older. The only people who look younger either had plastic surgery or are the freakish minority who look 10 years younger naturally, while most people look their age.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 22, 2014, 10:28:55 AM
I think all the Beach Boys look okay for their age, including Brian. There are people their age who look older. The only people who look younger either had plastic surgery or are the freakish minority who look 10 years younger naturally, while most people look their age.
The guys look fine for their age - but lately, I am constantly reminded of the age of my heroes...which in turn, is a subtle reminder of my own aging. I guess I really did believe the endless summer was...well...endless.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: buddhahat on April 22, 2014, 11:52:07 AM
He recorded a song called "Run James Run." that's interesting...

Not as interesting as how Brian looks in a photo, apparently.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 22, 2014, 11:57:10 AM
He recorded a song called "Run James Run." that's interesting...

Not as interesting as how Brian looks in a photo, apparently.
(Months) old news. ;)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 22, 2014, 12:18:30 PM
Brian looks 72, simple as that

I've seen photos of the stones, McCartney and all the 60s rockers looking like they're at deaths door. Brian looks normal and at times fantastic

I'm just glad he's still doing what he does best  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 22, 2014, 12:39:05 PM
McCartney doesn't look like he's at death's door at all.  He looks, acts, and sings great for his age.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on April 22, 2014, 12:48:50 PM
I have no idea what may come of these album sessions. But Al’s level of involvement (and non-involvement) isn’t surprising at all. This was never a “Wilson & Jardine” album. It’s a Brian album with other guests.

Actually, to read some posts here from several months back, you'd think it was a Beach Boys album without Mike & Bruce, and some folk seemed pretty happy about that.

Originally, the strong impression given was that it was a joint Wilson/Beck album, but to judge from Jeff's comments earlier this year, that's dead in the water, so we've got a BW + friends album, with Joe Thomas at the helm.

Wasn't Don Was attached to this album at one point?

He played bass on some sessions last year.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on April 22, 2014, 02:03:57 PM
Yeah, these photos of Brian were bumming me out for a while. But as long as his health is okay is what's important.

Funny enough though, the Beach Boy who I think has aged the worst is Bruce oddly. Sometime within the past five years he's gotten to the point where when he smiles, you can't see his eyes. His face is that saggy. So, ya know, it's just what happens.

Al on the other hand, I know he gets a lot of sh*t for his looks, but I still think he looks good.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: joshferrell on April 22, 2014, 03:29:47 PM
He recorded a song called "Run James Run." that's interesting...

Not as interesting as how Brian looks in a photo, apparently.
I wonder if it's going to be a re-write (variation) of "Pet Sounds" like he did with "Salt lake city" and "Desert Drive"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on April 22, 2014, 10:41:34 PM
I know ultimately how The Beach Boys look is unimportant, but I think the reason that Brian's looks have been alarming as of late is I think that most of us thought the "old Brian" look was pretty much set since like 1993. Like, he's kinda looked basically the same from then 'til around the reunion. By what I mean by "old Brian", I'd say we have

1961 to 1965ish: young Brian
Later 1965 through 1973ish: more mature look, weight flucuations
1974ish through 1983: overweight Brian, with the major weight loss in the middle which was gained back
Later 1983 through 1992: "middle aged" Brian, actually looked like a skinny version of his Pet Sounds self at Live Aid. Had a nice classy look on the cover of his debut solo album, looked almost kinda Lindsey Buckingham-esque in some photos
Early to mid '90s through 2012ish: "old man" Brian, age is catching up, keeps the weight on more, dresses more like an old man, gray hair, etc

And I think we figured that was how Brian would look from then on. So it's weird to see him look even older now. We'd grown accustomed to his looks, and it's just weird to us. Just as I've grown accustomed to how Paul McCartney looks. He's 71 (almost 72 as well) and he obviously looks much older even compared to his late '80s/early '90s stuff. But he's kept that same look, and even though his skin is much more wrinkled and saggy, it's not as alarming. He gives off a youthful vibe still too, as does Mick Jagger, who even though he looks really wrinkly and aged, stayed well in shape and gives off a youthful vibe. Even "modern" Bob Dylan, with his little moustache has his slender figure and even though he's aged a lot too, looks good. And Daltrey and Townshend from The Who, they look great too.

The thing about Brian too, that although at times he comes off as "childlike" he really doesn't have a lot of that youthfulness thing anymore. Can that be chalked up to past drug use? Maybe. I personally think it's more what Landy did to him, which gives him a kind of wretched, stiff, sorry to say it but "disabled" kinda look. It bums me out to see him like this, but regardless, I hope he's feeling ok and making some good music. I just wish it wasn't the case that we have to "explain" his situation to people when he's on TV and whatnot.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bossaroo on April 22, 2014, 10:43:51 PM
McCartney doesn't look like he's at death's door at all.  He looks, acts, and sings great for his age.

Paul doesn't look any better than Brian
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Columnist/Columnists/2013/10/9/1381332227186/Stella-McCartney-show-Spr-010.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 22, 2014, 10:54:38 PM
McCartney doesn't look like he's at death's door at all.  He looks, acts, and sings great for his age.

Paul doesn't look any better than Brian
(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Observer/Columnist/Columnists/2013/10/9/1381332227186/Stella-McCartney-show-Spr-010.jpg)
With Paul, people are probably fooled by all that brown hair. Kudos to Brian for aging naturally.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on April 22, 2014, 11:14:48 PM
:brow
I think we're deluding ourselves a bit. Fighting over who looks older doesn't prove anything about their music or when they'll die.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 22, 2014, 11:31:35 PM
No it doesn't  :P

They're still both making music, that's the important thing here.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 23, 2014, 12:22:12 AM

(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-0/10153748_596292067076_2831714801890288193_n.jpg)

???


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 23, 2014, 12:26:26 AM
Kudos to Brian for aging naturally.

Except for the face lift in the late 80s...  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on April 23, 2014, 03:56:53 AM
Sometimes I feel very sad...

Sorry but that photo is a little difficult to look at.

The photo actually reminds me of my uncle Horst who is just a little older.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 23, 2014, 09:45:10 AM
 :) :) :)


Quote from: Facebook BW
Brian clowning around in the studio with "Pet Sounds glasses."

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mi49l2.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 23, 2014, 09:51:50 AM
"Hippy, happy!"

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/ba/MurrywilsonBW.jpg/220px-MurrywilsonBW.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 23, 2014, 10:01:47 AM
Holy balls he looks like my dad!

Talking about Brian not Murray...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: joe_blow on April 23, 2014, 10:54:55 AM
:) :) :)


Quote from: Facebook BW
Brian clowning around in the studio with "Pet Sounds glasses."

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mi49l2.jpg)
Is Brian rocking the shirt from Endless Harmony there?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on April 23, 2014, 10:56:27 AM
Someone just posted this on the update, which gave me a good chuckle:

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Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 23, 2014, 11:06:58 AM
Someone just posted this on the update, which gave me a good chuckle:

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This was created by someone on this board, if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Smilin Ed H on April 23, 2014, 11:20:49 AM
Someone just posted this on the update, which gave me a good chuckle:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10156149_10200917470978611_374886267115534431_n.jpg)
This was created by someone on this board, if I remember correctly.

Christ, it's Paul McCartney!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Dudd on April 23, 2014, 11:26:43 AM
Someone just posted this on the update, which gave me a good chuckle:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10156149_10200917470978611_374886267115534431_n.jpg)
This was created by someone on this board, if I remember correctly.
THIEVES


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 23, 2014, 11:35:09 AM
Kudos to Brian for aging naturally.

Except for the face lift in the late 80s...  ;D

Yep, Brian has had at least one face lift. Paul hasn't.

Plus, Brian has had his teeth fixed. When was that, the 90's or 2,000's?

Brian has to sit down at the piano all the time and has a bad back. Paul doesn't. The only time Paul sits down during a performance is near the end of the show for a couple of numbers on the piano. The rest of the time he's got a Bass slung over his shoulder standing up singing into a microphone for more than 2 hours.

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Brian has limited energy on stage and has attention span issues. Paul doesn't.

Brian continues to have weight issues. Paul doesn't.

Paul communicates clearly without slurring his words and giving yes/no answers during interviews. Brian doesn't.

Brian needs a teleprompter to read all the lyrics to his own songs. To my knowledge, Paul doesn't, or if he does, uses it sparingly.

Brian is brain damaged from drugs.  Paul survived the acid trips, coke, heroin and hash.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 23, 2014, 12:21:19 PM
Hey guys, let's turn this into a thread where we needlessy criticize Brian! We're so lucky to still have him around, but y'know, f*** it.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 23, 2014, 12:28:56 PM
If we take 88 as the turning point and discount 2012, has Brian now been a solo artist for longer than he was a Beach Boy?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 23, 2014, 12:41:15 PM
Hey guys, let's turn this into a thread where we needlessy criticize Brian! We're so lucky to still have him around, but y'know, f*** it.

Nobody's criticizing Brian, son.  Just stating fact.  He still has issues and always will, and it will continue to be exacerbated with age. He hasn't aged naturally (or gracefully) like somebody above said. But that's expected!  Brian's a survivor.  He's been to Hell and back and is still alive to tell about it.  And yes - we're very lucky he's still around and still writing new stuff for the fans and touring, when all a LOT of people like him would do is retire to their Beverly Hills home with the wife, kids, and dogs! And Phil Spector records.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: drbeachboy on April 23, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
Hey guys, let's turn this into a thread where we needlessy criticize Brian! We're so lucky to still have him around, but y'know, f*** it.

Nobody's criticizing Brian, son.  Just stating fact.  He still has issues and always will, and it will continue to be exacerbated with age. He hasn't aged naturally (or gracefully) like somebody above said. But that's expected!  Brian's a survivor.  He's been to Hell and back and is still alive to tell about it.  And yes - we're very lucky he's still around and still writing new stuff for the fans and touring, when all a LOT of people like him would do is retire to their Beverly Hills home with the wife, kids, and dogs! And Phil Spector records.
Right on, Mikie!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: donald on April 23, 2014, 12:58:29 PM
Those guys don't look old to me.  They look a lot like me and my buds......just a couple of years older maybe.


Anybody seen Joni Mitchell lately?  Got a Golden Pond/Kathryn Hepburn look going.   She is still Joni...opinions and all.
Keep Rockin!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Heysaboda on April 23, 2014, 01:56:54 PM

ah...erm... any news about the ALBUM???

 :angry


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 23, 2014, 02:01:42 PM
What album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Outtasight! on April 23, 2014, 02:04:49 PM
I hope brian's new album is better than mccartney's album 'new'. That was a serious disappointment. Take all the time you need Brian!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 23, 2014, 02:13:12 PM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 23, 2014, 02:27:44 PM
:) :) :)


Quote from: Facebook BW
Brian clowning around in the studio with "Pet Sounds glasses."

(http://oi61.tinypic.com/2mi49l2.jpg)
Is Brian rocking the shirt from Endless Harmony there?

We can all relax, Brian looks good here  ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 23, 2014, 02:29:24 PM
Just watched Paul last night in an Uruguay concert from last week and a guest with Springsteen last year. He sounded great!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 23, 2014, 02:30:55 PM
I hope brian's new album is better than mccartney's album 'new'. That was a serious disappointment. Take all the time you need Brian!

Agreed. I didn't much care for "New" either.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on April 23, 2014, 03:11:49 PM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.

At least Paul still sounds like Paul, albeit an older one. Brian sounds like a completely different person altogether.

I hope brian's new album is better than mccartney's album 'new'. That was a serious disappointment. Take all the time you need Brian!

Is that even possible? It's going to be more sludge recycled from 1998 collaborations with AOR king Joe Thomas.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: mikeddonn on April 23, 2014, 03:50:07 PM
It's good to see Brian smiling in a natural way, looking genuinely happy in the pictures.  I remember all the 80s and 90s pictures of Brian with a pained or goofy expression.  He looked totally freaked out in pictures.  Now the worst you might see are ones where he looks like a 70+ guy, who doesn't always comb his hair or coordinate his trousers with his shirts, or shave!  At least he looks happy in the studio ones.  The one's discussed on another thread taken by paparazzi look as though he has the weight of the work on his shoulders which is sad to see.  But all things considered I think Brian is pretty content and has a laugh with those around him in the studio, those he trusts.

I saw Macca in 2010 and he sounded great but now his voice sounds weak, cracks a lot, and is probably autotuned, still sounds like his 60s voice though, but by no means is it perfect.  I also think he's had a few nip and tucks, wears make up and dyes his hair.  I'm sure he's far more vain than Brian when it comes to looks.

Still great that they are both here making music and enjoying life.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 23, 2014, 03:52:53 PM
Did Brian's facelift go through? I remember reading some story about Brian laying on a bed in the doctor's office and his vital signs weren't good or normal because of possible medication that Landy had him on and they quickly stopped the procedure for fear that he might die or something. Can anybody shed any light on that story?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 23, 2014, 03:55:29 PM
Did Brian's facelift go through? I remember reading some story about Brian laying on a bed in the doctor's office and his vital signs weren't good or normal because of possible medication that Landy had him on and they quickly stopped the procedure for fear that he might die or something. Can anybody shed any light on that story?
Uh, can't check right now - but wasn't that another procedure? (I could be wrong, though.)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on April 23, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Is there any visual proof of his facelift? Before and after comparisons?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 23, 2014, 11:12:48 PM
Did Brian's facelift go through? I remember reading some story about Brian laying on a bed in the doctor's office and his vital signs weren't good or normal because of possible medication that Landy had him on and they quickly stopped the procedure for fear that he might die or something. Can anybody shed any light on that story?

Story goes that Brian's procedure to repair a depressed cheekbone (no, I don't know when or how) was aborted at the last moment because, due to Landy's, er, "medication", his BP was seriously high. It was done a little later, and a slight facelift was done as well.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Micha on April 24, 2014, 05:01:37 AM
I saw Macca in 2010 and he sounded great but now his voice sounds weak, cracks a lot, and is probably autotuned, still sounds like his 60s voice though, but by no means is it perfect.  I also think he's had a few nip and tucks, wears make up and dyes his hair.  I'm sure he's far more vain than Brian when it comes to looks.

I zapped into a recent Paul McCartney concert on TV the other day and was surprised to hear obvious autotune artifacts.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Moon Dawg on April 24, 2014, 06:49:22 AM
  I've heard some recent Paul vocals that sounded strong while others betray an aging voice. He looks pretty good on the whole but you have to wonder if there is some "hair assistance" at this point. Still a vital artist making good music IMO.



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: HeyJude on April 24, 2014, 07:10:00 AM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.

McCartney’s voice is definitely aging more rapidly these days. He actually sounded better when he started touring again in 2002 than he had in 1993. He still does most everything in its original key, and he definitely pushes his voice past where it probably can go.

But I wouldn’t say his voice is shot; it’s just extremely uneven. Having seen the similarly-aged Beach Boys in 2012 all lined up together taking vocal turns, I’d say McCartney’s voice is still at least marginally to significantly in better shape than any Beach Boy other than Jardine (and I suppose Marks).  McCartney also sings his entire shows; no handing off half the show to other lead vocalists.

My main issue with McCartney’s voice at this stage is not so much his ability to hit actual high notes or even stay in key, but the tone and timbre of his voice and voicings. He’s very “slurry” on some songs, and seems to relish for some reason singing the highest notes possible which results in that “old lady” voice. But this may all just be an aging issue. He could pretty easily just stick to writing and performing stuff in the lower register where his voice sounds pretty intact. Check out the track “Alligator” from this newest album, and you get all three versions of Paul’s voice: Lower register sounding pretty good, strained high notes, and finished off with what is likely a bit of autotune on the highest note.

I dunno, I sometimes at least try to check myself, because it does kind of come across as a d*** move to happily see Brian Wilson or Mike Love sing in concert and then criticize any other singers for having “shot” or aged voices (I think Howie Edelson astutely pointed out some time back in one his commentaries that Mike’s voice would perhaps not sound as shot if he didn’t incessantly tour each and every year). We all have our own set of standards we expect or will put up with, and I for one feel it’s important to recognize when one is more willing to tolerate (or enjoy) perhaps sometimes sub-par singing (or whatever it is) because it’s someone we like.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pacific Coast on April 24, 2014, 10:00:03 AM
  I've heard some recent Paul vocals that sounded strong while others betray an aging voice. He looks pretty good on the whole but you have to wonder if there is some "hair assistance" at this point. Still a vital artist making good music IMO.



He dyes his hair.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 24, 2014, 10:09:23 AM
 In Tim White's book it said his plastic surgeon was concerned about his blood pressure being too low because of taking beta blockers and a bunch of other tranquilizing meds. Low blood pressure can lead to shock and organ damage and be hard to control from falling too low during surgery. The surgeon had Brian do a drug test and found out all the drugs he was on that he didn't disclose. According to the book, Brian withdrew from all meds for a few weeks and underwent the surgery.

Brian had the facelift, as well as an eyejob and a cheekbone implant on the right side. You can now see the outline of the cheekbone implant on his right cheek as he's gotten older and the skin has both fallen and thinned out. It's a little crescent shaped thing an inch or two under his eye.  His face looked a lot tighter in the late '80s or early '90s. His eyes also lost their almond shape and the bags under them. Now that he's aged and his weight fluctuated, the work has pretty much unraveled other than the small implant.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pablo. on April 24, 2014, 10:15:48 AM
I was at that Uruguay gig last saturday and he sounded very good.  His problem at 71 is not one of range or pitch but timbre. That's specially noticeable on his speaking voice. But someone who can do Helter skelter right after Yesterday deserves nothing but praise.

Autotune is used on post production of his live records and dvds since 2002.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 24, 2014, 01:24:50 PM
Paulo, I thought Paul sang great during the Uraguay concert. He even honored a fan's request from the crowd to play "One After 909" which is kind of a rarity.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Outtasight! on April 24, 2014, 01:29:18 PM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.

At least Paul still sounds like Paul, albeit an older one. Brian sounds like a completely different person altogether.

I hope brian's new album is better than mccartney's album 'new'. That was a serious disappointment. Take all the time you need Brian!

Is that even possible? It's going to be more sludge recycled from 1998 collaborations with AOR king Joe Thomas.
listen to wings over America. McCartney's voice is incredible. He is nowhere near that peak vocally now. This is not a criticism. The guy is an incredible musician. I will still buy everything he puts out. If the  1998 sludge of which you speak is of the caliber of summers gone, pch and twgmtr, throw in some new material as incredible as fttba, then cover me in sludge!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pablo. on April 24, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
Paulo, I thought Paul sang great during the Uraguay concert. He even honored a fan's request from the crowd to play "One After 909" which is kind of a rarity.

that fan was kinda spooky...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Amy B. on April 24, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
I used to have Tripping the Live Fantastic (Paul's live album from 1990) on cassette and I remember putting it on after a habit of listening to the Beatles incessantly. Paul's voice sounded shot on the high notes to my ears, and he wasn't even 50 yet. But he might have just been hoarse from so many shows. His voice seemed to improve later--maybe 10 years later.

These days his speaking voice has an "old man" quavering quality to it. I think there's a bit of that in his singing, too.

Brian's voice has been "different" since he was in his 30s-- late 20s, even. It's got to be hard for someone who made their reputation with a boyish tenor, like Paul and Brian, as opposed to someone who always had a gravely thing.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 24, 2014, 05:41:56 PM
Brian and Paul both sound good for 70 somethings, Paul a bit more so on average (and I say this as someone who doesn't follow Paul and is tired of being beaten with Beatles propaganda on a daily basis). Al sounds exceptionally good for being in his 70s and is not the standard by which everyone should be measured - most aren't so lucky.

Brian pulls off some great vocals for a guy who struggled with mental illness, drug abuse, weight issues, cigarettes, excessive prescription drugs, and nearly fucking dying numerous times. We're very lucky to still have him, as well as Paul/Al/David/Mike/Bruce, all things considered. That's about all that really needs to be said, to me.

Sorry if that sounds "AGREE WITH ME OR PISS OFF", that's not my intent, I'm just sayin', these conversations about aged musicians always take silly turns, to me. Being a singer at age 20 is fucking tough, let alone 50 or 70, and I hate the attitude that being a singer requires little talent etc. etc. etc.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gohi on April 24, 2014, 05:43:03 PM
Brian and Paul both sound good for 70 somethings, Paul a bit more so on average (and I say this as someone who doesn't follow Paul and is tired of being beaten with Beatles propaganda on a daily basis). Al sounds exceptionally good for being in his 70s and is not the standard by which everyone should be measured - most aren't so lucky.

Brian pulls off some great vocals for a guy who struggled with mental illness, drug abuse, weight issues, cigarettes, excessive prescription drugs, and nearly fucking dying numerous times. We're very lucky to still have him, as well as Paul/Al/David/Mike/Bruce, all things considered. That's about all that really needs to be said, to me.
agreed


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 24, 2014, 07:53:12 PM
Not only that...the man is deaf in one ear, and most likely has lost a bit of hearing in his good ear due to age.  Also, the sadly few times he's loosened up and just sang for the hell it in a relaxed manner, he's been dicks to the bricks awesome. when I saw the BB C50 show in June 2012, he sounded EVEN BETTER THAN THE RECORD on IJWMFTT, and completely effortless. Not lazy, just in more of a 'Ah sh*t man, I *got* this' kind of way.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Alex on April 24, 2014, 08:12:31 PM

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???

Billy Shears looks good for his age!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 24, 2014, 08:22:54 PM
Paul is UnDead


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bluesno1fann on April 24, 2014, 08:33:31 PM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.

Going to a Paul McCartney concert next month in Japan, so will be looking forward to that!
But sadly, I have to agree. He simply can't hit the high notes as well as he used to, not even close. On some songs he sounds downright awful. Still, he sounds quite good on songs where he doesn't have to sing quite as high.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 24, 2014, 08:48:57 PM
Paul leads a 3+ hour show with VERY high energy, doing everything from Yesterday to Helter Skelter to 1985. You might have some complaints now, but I guarantee you won't after you see him.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bluesno1fann on April 24, 2014, 08:56:04 PM
Paul leads a 3+ hour show with VERY high energy, doing everything from Yesterday to Helter Skelter to 1985. You might have some complaints now, but I guarantee you won't after you see him.

I take it you've seen him recently. Been watching some of his recent shows on YouTube, and I agree that there's still a lot of energy left, plus it's great that he's playing some of the back catalogue (Beatles and Solo). Whatever flaws he may have (Which is very few, and mainly age-related), I'm still looking forward to seeing him!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 24, 2014, 09:32:22 PM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.

Going to a Paul McCartney concert next month in Japan, so will be looking forward to that!
But sadly, I have to agree. He simply can't hit the high notes as well as he used to, not even close. On some songs he sounds downright awful. Still, he sounds quite good on songs where he doesn't have to sing quite as high.

What in the Hell have you been watching?  Go watch some Youtube clips!  Bounce around from 2011 to 2012 and 2013 concerts and actually WATCH them. Macca hits the high notes all the time. He ain't "downright awful" at all. He sings on key and he's still got a helluva vocal range! Again, go watch some concert footage for awhile before making ridiculous statements!

Here. Here's one from last year. Tell me he can't hit the high notes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxhgTEjh2bo


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on April 24, 2014, 09:46:17 PM
I totally agree with you guys about how great Paul is. His shows are amazing. I've seen him twice, and each time was absolutely breathtaking. I left those shows feeling so happy. Sure he's not what he was when he was 25, but who is? Sure, he's sounded very weathered on his albums since at least Flaming Pie and especially New.

But with Brian, it really is sad. He's not one tenth of the performer Paul is. And whereas, I went home from my last McCartney show so happy, I think when I went home from my last Brian show I felt kinda depressed seeing Brian looking so darn feeble and fragile. Maybe he wasn't but he reminded me of a guy I know, who's only 63 or so, but you'd think he's 90. The limping. The pained look on his face. The general "old man" vibe. I do NOT get the old man vibe from McCartney or Dylan or Townshend. Or Al or Mike. It's sad. Because this is one of my favorite musicians and he just seems to be having a rougher time than a lot of his peers. But then again, hasn't he always.

Anyways, I think it's a shame he can't lead his band like he used to with The Beach Boys. I think it's a shame that he can't seem to play piano and sing at the same time. It's a shame that if he went to a karaoke and sang "Wouldn't It Be Nice" people would laugh him off the stage because he is nowhere near capable of doing that song anymore. But at the same time, his vocal on "Summer's Gone" is absolutely gorgeous. A better vocal than McCartney or Dylan or Daltrey or whoever in the last 20 years. So it's weird. Brian still has the songwriting chops (and the bag of unreleased ideas to work with), and when he wants to, he still has the vocal chops. Unfortunately, the will to do things at a high level hasn't always been there, and his capabilities have decreased in certain ways. It just really bums me out with Landy did to Brian. I have to imagine that if Landy would have left Brian alone after, say, 1985, we would have a Brian that would be a better performer. But regardless, the past is the past, and I'm glad he's still alive and doing great work, and some really great singing lately.

Lastly, I don't want it taken as me dissing Brian. It's just me finally coming to some sad realizations, and it sucks.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sound of Free on April 24, 2014, 09:47:27 PM
I saw McCartney in Yankee Stadium in July 2011. It was about 90 degrees and he played for 2 1/2 hours. He played something (bass, electric guitar, acoustic guitar or ukulele) on every song and while his voice wasn't perfect, it was still good.

It would have been a great performance by anyone, but for a 69-year-old man on a hot night, it was amazing.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bluesno1fann on April 24, 2014, 09:51:51 PM

Brian's voice is damaged/not what it use to be. Paul's voice sounds pretty much the same as he did in Wings/Beatle days - can even still hit the high notes.

Beg to differ, but Paul's voice is pretty much shot, unless the last few years of video footage have all been somehow sabotaged. His Queen's Jubilee appearance in 2012 was utterly dire.

Going to a Paul McCartney concert next month in Japan, so will be looking forward to that!
But sadly, I have to agree. He simply can't hit the high notes as well as he used to, not even close. On some songs he sounds downright awful. Still, he sounds quite good on songs where he doesn't have to sing quite as high.

What in the Hell have you been watching?  Go watch some Youtube clips!  Bounce around from 2011 to 2012 and 2013 concerts and actually WATCH them. Macca hits the high notes all the time. He ain't "downright awful" at all. He sings on key and he's still got a helluva vocal range! Again, go watch some concert footage for awhile before making ridiculous statements!

Here. Here's one from last year. Tell me he can't hit the high notes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxhgTEjh2bo

He still doesn't sound great, pitch-wise. I suppose he sounds good for his age, but he's nothing compared to what he used to be like, which is understandable.

Here's two examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--i9i7xlw1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12OO9cxu0_w

That being said, he sounds great on songs from the NEW album. I think it's due to him adapting his current voice on his new songs quite well. His voice has still aged better than Brian Wilson's sadly.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gabo on April 24, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
Like I have said, at least Paul still sounds like Beatle Paul. Brian's voice no longer suits the songs that made him famous. Brian's the worst part of his own shows.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 24, 2014, 10:27:46 PM
I saw Paul in San Francisco four years ago and he put on a great show and sounded great. He will perform this August where the last Beatles concert was, one of the last events to be held in this venue. I'm looking forward to it.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 24, 2014, 10:40:10 PM
I saw him in Seattle last summer and it was amazing. The setlist itself is one of the best parts; he covers so much ground and balances Beatles, Wings and solo Macca songs perfectly. There were some deep cuts in there that I couldn't believe he was playing. When he started 'Your Mother Should Know' I lost it! It was loud as all hell too, but I guess that's necessary for a stadium of 45,000.

He still doesn't sound great, pitch-wise. I suppose he sounds good for his age, but he's nothing compared to what he used to be like, which is understandable.

Here's two examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--i9i7xlw1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12OO9cxu0_w

That being said, he sounds great on songs from the NEW album. I think it's due to him adapting his current voice on his new songs quite well. His voice has still aged better than Brian Wilson's sadly.

You're choosing audience videos as the basis for saying he doesn't sound good? Ridiculous. And why is it sad his voice has 'aged better than Brian Wilson's'? Is it not a good thing his voice is in good shape?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bluesno1fann on April 24, 2014, 10:56:50 PM
I saw him in Seattle last summer and it was amazing. The setlist itself is one of the best parts; he covers so much ground and balances Beatles, Wings and solo Macca songs perfectly. There were some deep cuts in there that I couldn't believe he was playing. When he started 'Your Mother Should Know' I lost it! It was loud as all hell too, but I guess that's necessary for a stadium of 45,000.

He still doesn't sound great, pitch-wise. I suppose he sounds good for his age, but he's nothing compared to what he used to be like, which is understandable.

Here's two examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--i9i7xlw1Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12OO9cxu0_w

That being said, he sounds great on songs from the NEW album. I think it's due to him adapting his current voice on his new songs quite well. His voice has still aged better than Brian Wilson's sadly.

You're choosing audience videos as the basis for saying he doesn't sound good? Ridiculous. And why is it sad his voice has 'aged better than Brian Wilson's'? Is it not a good thing his voice is in good shape?

I suppose I'll judge what Paul's voice will be like when I go to the concert in May. Until then, I'll leave it at that.
And I meant it's a good thing that Paul's voice is in better shape than Brian's, but it's sad that Brian's voice isn't in great shape.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Niko on April 24, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
Well then be careful how you word things. The way you wrote that meant something else entirely.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 24, 2014, 11:21:46 PM
Is this thread about the next Brian Wilson album being derailed a tad? Surely there's a thread for discussing pensionable-aged Scousers?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on April 24, 2014, 11:41:25 PM
Like I have said, at least Paul still sounds like Beatle Paul. Brian's voice no longer suits the songs that made him famous. Brian's the worst part of his own shows.
That's pretty weird statement. I've seen Brian live only one time, in 2012. He was the opposite to what I was expecting after comments like yours. Singing and playing all the time, lookin like at least ten years younger. Smiling all the time, looking at the audience and sounding fantastic. Sure he doesn't sound like he did when he was 20 years old. That's the whole point of aging. In pretty much all the clips I saw from last year he continued that high standard. In my opinion Brian even topped Carl with God Only Knows last year. So he's certainly not the worst part of his own shows...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 24, 2014, 11:49:47 PM
May I point out that in 2012, Brian wasn't carrying the weight of the show ?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 25, 2014, 12:08:50 AM

That's pretty weird statement. I've seen Brian live only one time, in 2012. He was the opposite to what I was expecting after comments like yours. Singing and playing all the time, lookin like at least ten years younger. Smiling all the time, looking at the audience and sounding fantastic. Sure he doesn't sound like he did when he was 20 years old. That's the whole point of aging. In pretty much all the clips I saw from last year he continued that high standard. In my opinion Brian even topped Carl with God Only Knows last year. So he's certainly not the worst part of his own shows...

Seriously not.

Brian can still sing some songs well when they are within his range but there is obviously a problem with him slurring many words and giving up on some lines to songs (if that makes sense). The way he sounds isn`t simply a matter of aging which is only to be expected after all he has gone through.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on April 25, 2014, 12:13:03 AM
May I point out that in 2012, Brian wasn't carrying the weight of the show ?
Yep, but I don't think he pretty much ever does. And if he's in the right mood he can do anything. If he's not, he just sits there and sings when he has to. When he is in that right mood he definetely could pull out a great show even if he was sitting there just alone with a piano. He's definetely not that kind of solid performers as McCaurtney is, but that's exactly why I like him and would go to see every concert if I had the chance. He's always honest. I don't care that much for the big stars who pull out that exactly same show with exactly same smile every night and have done that for 40 years or so. Even though they do it great, something's missing.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on April 25, 2014, 12:14:29 AM

That's pretty weird statement. I've seen Brian live only one time, in 2012. He was the opposite to what I was expecting after comments like yours. Singing and playing all the time, lookin like at least ten years younger. Smiling all the time, looking at the audience and sounding fantastic. Sure he doesn't sound like he did when he was 20 years old. That's the whole point of aging. In pretty much all the clips I saw from last year he continued that high standard. In my opinion Brian even topped Carl with God Only Knows last year. So he's certainly not the worst part of his own shows...

Seriously not.

Brian can still sing some songs well when they are within his range but there is obviously a problem with him slurring many words and giving up on some lines to songs (if that makes sense). The way he sounds isn`t simply a matter of aging which is only to be expected after all he has gone through.
Well, that's only about opinions and I stand with mine.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 25, 2014, 12:23:39 AM
Well, that's only about opinions and I stand with mine.

Sure.

But the slurring is very evident. And Brian has the odd habit of turning away from the microphone to look at the keyboard while singing a line.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on April 25, 2014, 12:48:54 AM
Well, that's only about opinions and I stand with mine.

Sure.

But the slurring is very evident. And Brian has the odd habit of turning away from the microphone to look at the keyboard while singing a line.
I'm sure slurring and turning away from the mic in wrong place happens in every concert, I wanna see a performer who doesn't do those things. But you make it sound like that's all Brian does the whole time, always. I watched at least 6 different GOK performances from last year and couldn't spot any slurring or anything else weird or bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3B-T7mxjBU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3B-T7mxjBU)

And in the topic, I understand that Brian can't and doesn't want to sing the high notes live on tour, he has to save his voice. But I hope the new album would have those Brians falsettos. He can still sing high, as you can see from many recent youtube live clips. God I've started to hate Fosketts voice. I can barely stand the autotune on the Beach Boys 50th anniversary concert live CD, even though I'd want it gone. It almost makes it listenable. But what really bugs me is Fosketts falsettos. Man they suck.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 25, 2014, 01:05:39 AM


I'm sure slurring and turning away from the mic in wrong place happens in every concert, I wanna see a performer who doesn't do those things. But you make it sound like that's all Brian does the whole time, always. I watched at least 6 different GOK performances from last year and couldn't spot any slurring or anything else weird or bad.


Honestly, other singers do not do this in the way that Brian does. And, as I say, Brian can still sing some songs well so I don`t want to come across as entirely negative.

But the slurring problem is genuine and certainly isn`t a typical problem for a singer. Neither is the issue of not really singing lines through to their conclusion. Or moving his mouth away from the microphone.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Yorick on April 25, 2014, 01:08:28 AM
The setlist itself is one of the best parts; he covers so much ground and balances Beatles, Wings and solo Macca songs perfectly.
Completely disagree! The setlist is very unbalanced. 23 Beatles songs out of 37. 62% of the show from 15% of his career. Only 6 songs from the last 40 years of his career, of which 4 are from his last album.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 25, 2014, 01:17:32 AM
Could we all stop talking about Paul McCartney in this thread now.

I prefer my Oasis to be more hermaphroditic.  ;)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 25, 2014, 01:21:21 AM
Oasis were better than the Beatles.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 25, 2014, 01:44:09 AM
And in the topic, I understand that Brian can't and doesn't want to sing the high notes live on tour, he has to save his voice.

He can still hit those highs, but (mostly) chooses not to. The falsetto is still there: it's thinner than it used to be, and pitch can be a problem, but he can still hit the high C of "Surf's Up" at will.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wylson on April 25, 2014, 02:50:49 AM
If Brian could sing anywhere near as well as Paul can now it would be incredible. Imagine if Brian's 60s voice was essentially in tact, just a bit croaker and with slightly reduced range. Because that's basically the case with Paul. And Paul still has a sweet falsetto, although that's not what he's known for.

If you asked Paul to go back and record Here There and Everywhere or Eleanor Rigby, I'm pretty sure that if he rested his voice and really tried he could do a damn good job.

Ask Brian to re-record stuff from his prime... Well BWPS is your answer. It's fine but sounds very little like the original. I know he has improved since then but it's still a world apart.

Having said that I still love listening to Brian, but he has basically destroyed his voice and learnt to sing all over again.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 25, 2014, 08:34:07 AM
The setlist itself is one of the best parts; he covers so much ground and balances Beatles, Wings and solo Macca songs perfectly.
Completely disagree! The setlist is very unbalanced. 23 Beatles songs out of 37. 62% of the show from 15% of his career. Only 6 songs from the last 40 years of his career, of which 4 are from his last album.
And that's pretty much the story since Macca started touring again in 1989. He does a Beatles heavy show because he believes that's what people want.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 25, 2014, 10:06:37 AM
Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles …

We got it now…


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 25, 2014, 10:30:19 AM
No, it's just a compare and contrast between Paul and Brian. Perhaps an unfair comparison, because Brian's voice has been shot for years. Brian's voice is like sand-blasted jeans with tiny, carefully crafted holes. They wear well and are comfy and some like the distressed denim look. Paul is more like slowly faded jeans.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: mikeddonn on April 25, 2014, 01:04:05 PM
Andrew, have you had a private concert?  Which part is the high 'C' in Surf's Up?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 25, 2014, 01:08:26 PM
Andrew, have you had a private concert?  Which part is the high 'C' in Surf's Up?

He's confused, Brian drank "High C" during a concert one time in 2003 and there was this huge mixup over it.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 25, 2014, 01:25:40 PM
Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles Beatles …

We got it now…
Yeah, I'm sick of it, too.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 25, 2014, 02:40:47 PM
Andrew, have you had a private concert?  Which part is the high 'C' in Surf's Up?

OK, I'm no muso - I used "high C" as a generic term for "the really insanely high bit in the chorus".  :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ash on April 25, 2014, 02:52:31 PM
Had to jump in and correct AGD. It's high F.
Wow, that'll never happen again.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: pixletwin on April 25, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Oasis were better than the Beatles.

Oh. No. Now you dun dun it!

(http://i.imgur.com/p3Hcg.gif)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 25, 2014, 04:06:36 PM
Andrew, have you had a private concert?  Which part is the high 'C' in Surf's Up?

He's confused, Brian drank "High C" during a concert one time in 2003 and there was this huge mixup over it.

No, he meant brian enjoyes sailing the "high sea"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 25, 2014, 11:19:36 PM
Had to jump in and correct AGD. It's high F.
Wow, that'll never happen again.

 ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 25, 2014, 11:27:10 PM
May I point out that in 2012, Brian wasn't carrying the weight of the show ?

Brian, you're gonna carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time
Brian, you're gonna carry that weight
Carry that weight a long time..........



 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Alan Smith on April 26, 2014, 12:41:58 AM
Andrew, have you had a private concert?  Which part is the high 'C' in Surf's Up?

He's confused, Brian drank "High C" during a concert one time in 2003 and there was this huge mixup over it.

The mix-up was over "Tang", not "High C"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: mikeddonn on April 26, 2014, 07:11:21 AM
Thank you for clarifying Andrew, I was doubting my own ears there, even after playing it on the piano!  I'd love to hear Brian sing that one like the old days.  IMHO possibly the best vocal moment in a Beach Boys song is that "columnated ruins domino" line in the Surf's Up demo.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: lee on April 26, 2014, 08:35:00 AM
The setlist itself is one of the best parts; he covers so much ground and balances Beatles, Wings and solo Macca songs perfectly.
Completely disagree! The setlist is very unbalanced. 23 Beatles songs out of 37. 62% of the show from 15% of his career. Only 6 songs from the last 40 years of his career, of which 4 are from his last album.

That sounds eerily similar to a band I listen to called The Beach Boys. Based on the Torrington setlist posted recently, 39 songs total, 27 of the songs from a five year period ('62-66) out of a 50+ year career. It could always be better. I think Mike and Paul are both in the same boat of playing what they think the majority of their audience want to hear.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 26, 2014, 12:51:04 PM
The difference being that Macca had loads of top ten - even number 1 - hits after 1970; the Beach Boys, only a few.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 26, 2014, 01:46:41 PM
The setlist itself is one of the best parts; he covers so much ground and balances Beatles, Wings and solo Macca songs perfectly.
Completely disagree! The setlist is very unbalanced. 23 Beatles songs out of 37. 62% of the show from 15% of his career. Only 6 songs from the last 40 years of his career, of which 4 are from his last album.

That sounds eerily similar to a band I listen to called The Beach Boys. Based on the Torrington setlist posted recently, 39 songs total, 27 of the songs from a five year period ('62-66) out of a 50+ year career. It could always be better. I think Mike and Paul are both in the same boat of playing what they think the majority of their audience want to hear.

Brian's setlists aren't usually much better. They need to get back to moar hardcore rarties like "Danny Boy" mother f*cker sick bro


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Moon Dawg on April 26, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
The difference being that Macca had loads of top ten - even number 1 - hits after 1970; the Beach Boys, only a few.

  McCartney managed his highly successful WINGS OVER AMERICA tour in 76 with just a handful of Beatle classics. When I saw him in 2002, the distribution (if memory serves) was maybe 60% Beatles 30% Wings 10% new or relatively new. It was a great concert!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: leggo of my ego on April 26, 2014, 09:03:39 PM
Oasis were better than the Beatles.

Klattu were better than Oasis.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 26, 2014, 10:10:16 PM
If Brian could sing anywhere near as well as Paul can now it would be incredible. Imagine if Brian's 60s voice was essentially in tact, just a bit croaker and with slightly reduced range. Because that's basically the case with Paul. And Paul still has a sweet falsetto, although that's not what he's known for.


I agree, but I'll also point out that in my opinion, Paul sounded horrible on the 'tripping the live fantastic' album.  It was like he had forgotten all the technique involved in singing, everything sounded like a really bad broadway play.  Sounds great since, though.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 26, 2014, 11:21:05 PM
The difference being that Macca had loads of top ten - even number 1 - hits after 1970; the Beach Boys, only a few.

  McCartney managed his highly successful WINGS OVER AMERICA tour in 76 with just a handful of Beatle classics. When I saw him in 2002, the distribution (if memory serves) was maybe 60% Beatles 30% Wings 10% new or relatively new. It was a great concert!
That's the difference. In '76, Macca was the leader of a very successful band, their records were getting played on mainstream radio constantly. Today is much different - can you imagine Paul getting away with playing only 5 Beatles songs in a show today, and sticking mostly to songs from his last 3 albums? No way. The crowds aren't coming to hear "New" songs from him, they want to hear the Beatles stuff - it's the closest most of them will ever get to seeing the Beatles in concert.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2014, 12:08:08 AM
Plus you've got to remember there was that weird, dark period in human history from the late 70's until the late 80's where the Beatles were kind of out of style. 



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bluesno1fann on April 27, 2014, 12:18:12 AM
The difference being that Macca had loads of top ten - even number 1 - hits after 1970; the Beach Boys, only a few.
McCartney managed his highly successful WINGS OVER AMERICA tour in 76 with just a handful of Beatle classics. When I saw him in 2002, the distribution (if memory serves) was maybe 60% Beatles 30% Wings 10% new or relatively new. It was a great concert!

That's the difference. In '76, Macca was the leader of a very successful band, their records were getting played on mainstream radio constantly. Today is much different - can you imagine Paul getting away with playing only 5 Beatles songs in a show today, and sticking mostly to songs from his last 3 albums? No way. The crowds aren't coming to hear "New" songs from him, they want to hear the Beatles stuff - it's the closest most of them will ever get to seeing the Beatles in concert.

It'd be great if McCartney could play Beatles songs for 1/3 of his set, Wings songs for 1/3, and his non-Wings Solo songs for the last 1/3.

But that won't happen as the fans (understandably) are mainly interested in the Beatles songs.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 27, 2014, 08:05:32 AM
I don't know if this is about work on BW solo material or something else - but nevertheless: Brian and some gal called Kacey Musgraves.


Quote from: http://instagram.com/spaceykacey#
Getting to work with one of my musical heroes - the one and only Brian Wilson. So honored. Sweet man.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f66682a6c493411ba981f886b41a5776/tumblr_n4bd4miKQL1qchm9vo1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Emdeeh on April 27, 2014, 08:17:06 AM
I wonder if Brian's recording something (bg vocals) on one of Kasey Musgroves' songs? As I understand it, she's a newish country music artist with an indy reputation.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 27, 2014, 08:19:27 AM
I don't know if this is about work on BW solo material or something else - but nevertheless: Brian and some gal called Kacey Musgraves.


Would this `gal` be the same who won 2 Grammys this year?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 27, 2014, 08:26:25 AM
I don't know if this is about work on BW solo material or something else - but nevertheless: Brian and some gal called Kacey Musgraves.


Would this `gal` be the same who won 2 Grammys this year?
Could be. ;) Sorry, I did not aim to belittle her artistry or anything. I simply wouldn't know since I don't care about such stuff as the Grammys (or about current country music, for that matter). If she's a good singer and fits into what Brian is doing right now - great. If it's Brian guesting on a song of hers - good for her.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Moon Dawg on April 27, 2014, 08:47:05 AM
  Not a big fan of modern country but Kacey sounds good to my ears.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the captain on April 27, 2014, 08:57:13 AM
Kacey Musgraves' album Same Trailer, Different Park is easily one of my five or 10 favorites of 2013, and several of its songs are very good: really strong melodies, clever lyrics, good hooks. Here are a couple.

Follow Your Arrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ8xqyoZXCc
This is the one that always seems to be talked about, in that she references weed and girls kissing girls. How terribly scandalous...  ::) But it's a really good song, very catchy.

Merry Go Round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfj2Ir3GgQ
Less cheeky. Very pretty. I love this refrain, I think it's really clever.

Since this isn't the General Music Discussion forum, I'll bring it back around: I wonder what she would be working on with Brian. She's a good enough singer, but not somebody I'd seek out for her voice. I'd say her strength is songwriting.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 27, 2014, 09:01:02 AM
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Yes, another comment about Brian's physical appearance. I hope (assume?) Brian's doctors are monitoring his health. Is this the heaviest he's been since 1982? Except he's not 40, he's pushing 72. Look at his arm next to Kacey's! :o Just expressing concern. Just sayin'....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 27, 2014, 09:02:28 AM
Kacey Musgraves' album Same Trailer, Different Park is easily one of my five or 10 favorites of 2013, and several of its songs are very good: really strong melodies, clever lyrics, good hooks. Here are a couple.

Follow Your Arrow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ8xqyoZXCc
This is the one that always seems to be talked about, in that she references weed and girls kissing girls. How terribly scandalous...  ::) But it's a really good song, very catchy.

Merry Go Round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZfj2Ir3GgQ
Less cheeky. Very pretty. I love this refrain, I think it's really clever.
Thanks for the selections!



Since this isn't the General Music Discussion forum, I'll bring it back around: I wonder what she would be working on with Brian. She's a good enough singer, but not somebody I'd seek out for her voice. I'd say her strength is songwriting.
Maybe it's a duet or a BW solo track for which her voice is specifically fitting?



Anyway, it seems the upmcoming BW record is going to be full of suprises!








Quote from: Sheriff John Stone
Yes, another comment about Brian's physical appearance. I hope (assume?) Brian's doctors are monitoring his health. Is this the heaviest he's been since 1982? Except he's not 40, he's pushing 72. Look at his arm next to Kacey's! :o Just expressing concern. Just sayin'....

I'd say his arm looks fine but hers look like matches. :P ;) And I'm pretty certain someone like BW is under constant watch by health care professionals. :)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 27, 2014, 09:05:09 AM
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Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mayoman on April 27, 2014, 09:14:05 AM
They're finally getting to "Stars & Stripes Vol. 2." However it will only feature tracks from "Love You" and a 17 minute twangy "Shortenin' Bread".


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mikie on April 27, 2014, 09:55:44 AM
  Not a big fan of modern country but Kacey sounds good to my ears.

Kacey looks good to my eyes.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2014, 10:21:50 AM
  Not a big fan of modern country but Kacey sounds good to my ears.

Kacey looks good to my eyes.

She's certainly aged better than Paul McCartney… wonder if she dyes her false teeth?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 27, 2014, 12:37:25 PM
And I'm pretty certain someone like BW is under constant watch by health care professionals. :)

Be that so, they're not doing a very good job, then. Bad backs run in the Wilson family, and he's carrying way too much weight for his age.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 27, 2014, 12:51:51 PM
And I'm pretty certain someone like BW is under constant watch by health care professionals. :)

Be that so, they're not doing a very good job, then. Bad backs run in the Wilson family, and he's carrying way too much weight for his age.
Time to call in Dr. Landy! If only...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2014, 01:16:48 PM
I don't know if this is about work on BW solo material or something else - but nevertheless: Brian and some gal called Kacey Musgraves.


Quote from: http://instagram.com/spaceykacey#
Getting to work with one of my musical heroes - the one and only Brian Wilson. So honored. Sweet man.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/f66682a6c493411ba981f886b41a5776/tumblr_n4bd4miKQL1qchm9vo1_500.jpg)

WOW!  That's what I'm talking about.  This will be good, whatever the hell it is. 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2014, 01:22:14 PM
Maybe it's a duet or a BW solo track for which her voice is specifically fitting?


I believe Brian would probably take it as an insult, but it wouldn't be meant that way.  I would LOVE to hear him just sing backup for somebody like her.  

We've heard Brian sing lead on hundreds of songs, but we haven't really heard much of him letting somebody else sing lead (a beautiful woman who's a good songwriter).  Let him handle ALL of the harmony stuff, let him decide how it goes, and just have her write the lyrics and the melody or however she's comfortable writing with him.  Brian is fantastic at backing vocals, even today.  In my ears, his backing vocals always sound great.

--------

I used to think the same thing about Michael Jackson.  I wish he would have set his ego aside and sang more backup for other artists, that's not a backseat that's a compliment, it adds something to a song to have somebody who's such a great singer sing backup behind another artist, on something that they normally wouldn't do.  

There's money involved in all of that, though, so who knows how that works.  There may be financial reasons stuff like that doesn't happen, but it would be awesome in my opinion.  

A good example would be something like "Take me Home tonight" by Eddie Money.  He had Ronnie Spector sing backup on it!  That didn't diminish her in any way, it was a huge hit at the time and boosted her career.  Think of the great things Brian could do if he helped a girl group arrange their vocals like the beach Boys in a few songs, and threw in a few lines himself.  That would be the most epic sh*t recorded in the past 10 years.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the captain on April 27, 2014, 01:40:54 PM
He does it now and again.

(Delirious Love)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89yW5AP8ySU


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 27, 2014, 02:33:12 PM
Quote from: Brian's Facebook page
Guess who's in the studio right now?


(http://oi59.tinypic.com/dxe5fp.jpg)[/img]


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: bgas on April 27, 2014, 02:38:06 PM
Quote from: Brian's Facebook page
Guess who's in the studio right now?


(http://oi59.tinypic.com/dxe5fp.jpg)[/img]

From the pic, I'd guess Mike and Bruce, with Al and Brian producing


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Shady on April 27, 2014, 05:16:58 PM
This album had my curiosity, now it has my attention


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: urbanite on April 27, 2014, 05:23:38 PM
That's not Al sitting next to Brian, looks like he has too much hair to be Al.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gohi on April 27, 2014, 06:02:53 PM
That's not Al sitting next to Brian, looks like he has too much hair to be Al.
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/10174913_687724384619193_3480760545892412393_n.jpg)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Moon Dawg on April 27, 2014, 06:26:08 PM
And I'm pretty certain someone like BW is under constant watch by health care professionals. :)

Be that so, they're not doing a very good job, then. Bad backs run in the Wilson family, and he's carrying way too much weight for his age.

  I've been trying not to overreact to recent Brian pics but I share this view.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: HeyJude on April 27, 2014, 07:16:43 PM
Quote from: Brian's Facebook page
Guess who's in the studio right now?


(http://oi59.tinypic.com/dxe5fp.jpg)[/img]

From the pic, I'd guess Mike and Bruce, with Al and Brian producing

Nah, it's Brian teaching the lyrics to David Spade..... or David Spade's Dad.....


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 27, 2014, 08:43:55 PM
And I'm pretty certain someone like BW is under constant watch by health care professionals. :)


....... he's carrying way too much weight for his age.


Compared to many in the US he is quite thin or normal actually. Looking at those pictures with Al and Kacey he doesn't seem to bad but when he reclines in a chair is belly and chin are exaggerated.

That picture with Kacey tells me their is some life in the old dog yet.

 



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Mr. Cohen on April 27, 2014, 09:21:22 PM
I take as he sign that Brian is indulging himself a little more. Want a piece of cake? Eat it. Want to record whatever you want? Well, why not?

Tell Al Jardine he's to voice a gnome in a new musical fairy tale? It's about time!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sound of Free on April 27, 2014, 10:21:57 PM
He does it now and again.

(Delirious Love)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89yW5AP8ySU

And don't forget this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjCqTI2TxRo


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 27, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
He does it now and again.

(Delirious Love)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89yW5AP8ySU

And don't forget this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjCqTI2TxRo

And this:

http://youtu.be/dWZ1dEl3DEE


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 28, 2014, 05:50:05 AM
More from the Jardine's Facebook page:


Quote
Wouldn't it be nice to spend a Sunday afternoon with Brian?

(http://oi57.tinypic.com/eantdx.jpg)





He obviously went to the Mike Love School Of Doing Clever Sh*t With The Lyrics Of Your Career-Building Hits. ^-^


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ESQ Editor on April 28, 2014, 07:02:58 AM
Maybe it's a duet or a BW solo track for which her voice is specifically fitting?


We've heard Brian sing lead on hundreds of songs, but we haven't really heard much of him letting somebody else sing lead (a beautiful woman who's a good songwriter).  Let him handle ALL of the harmony stuff, let him decide how it goes, and just have her write the lyrics and the melody or however she's comfortable writing with him.  Brian is fantastic at backing vocals, even today.  In my ears, his backing vocals always sound great.


What about Taylor Mills?  She has taken the lead with Brian on "Let's Call the Whole Thing Off," "Walking Down the Path of Life" and "I Wanna Be Around." 


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 28, 2014, 07:13:28 AM
Anyone keeping track of all the guest vocalists and musicians on this recent splurge of recording sessions (since Feb 2013) to date?

Jeff Beck (guitar)
Al Jardine (vocals)
Matt Jardine (vocals))
Blondie Chaplin (guitar/vocals)
David Marks (guitar/ vocals?)
Scotty Bennett (keyboard/vocals)
Darian Sahanaja (keyboards/vocals)
Brett Simons (bass)
Paul von Mertens (woodwind/arrangements)
Probyn Gregory (various/vocals)
Jim Keltner (drums)
Peter Kent and the Empanada Strings
Kenny Aronoff (drums)
Brian Wilson (bass)
Don Was (bass)
Kacey Musgraves
… and some dude called "Shane"

(roles in brackets are all my speculation btw)

Maybe someone's collated all the song titles floating around too?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 28, 2014, 07:29:45 AM
No Foskett?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 28, 2014, 07:42:23 AM
No Foskett?
He was let go after playing at Mike's Ella Award reception. ^-^


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 28, 2014, 07:50:42 AM
No Foskett?

Just went by the names that have been listed in this thread. Feel free to augment the list – it is not intended to be definitive at all.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 28, 2014, 08:13:42 AM
Remember, Matt J said he got the call because Jeff was unavailable. He goes out with Papa Do Run Run.

No Foskett?
He was let go after playing at Mike's Ella Award reception. ^-^

I know Brian's management have made some knuckleheaded decisions in the past, but really...  that would be World Record material ! ;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 28, 2014, 08:18:31 AM
Remember, Matt J said he got the call because Jeff was unavailable. He goes out with Papa Do Run Run.

No Foskett?
He was let go after playing at Mike's Ella Award reception. ^-^

I know Brian's management have made some knuckleheaded decisions in the past, but really...  that would be World Record material ! ;D

;D


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Gertie J. on April 29, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
He does it now and again.

(Delirious Love)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89yW5AP8ySU

And don't forget this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjCqTI2TxRo

And this:

http://youtu.be/dWZ1dEl3DEE

belinda carlisle -california
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-YkOHcGbkbY


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 29, 2014, 08:37:58 PM
Remember, Matt J said he got the call because Jeff was unavailable. He goes out with Papa Do Run Run.

No Foskett?
He was let go after playing at Mike's Ella Award reception. ^-^

I know Brian's management have made some knuckleheaded decisions in the past, but really...  that would be World Record material ! ;D



8)


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the professor on April 29, 2014, 11:14:08 PM
so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Jim V. on April 29, 2014, 11:34:50 PM
so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.

My guess is probably with Brian and his band. Since he hasn't left the Brian camp (or gotten let go). It was just a few posters musing on why Matt Jardine was recording with Brian.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 29, 2014, 11:39:56 PM
so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.

Sez who ? And assuming for the sake of argument he has, he'd be far from the first:

Todd Sucherman...
Jim Hines...
Bob Lizik...
Taylor Mills...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 30, 2014, 05:03:38 AM
Seems Hal Blaine recently visited Brian at Ocean Way. I wonder if he actually recorded something for the new album?

(Remember, a couple of months ago during his Facebook Q&A Brian stated "I havent' see Hal in a long time." - great to see them together again. :) )



(http://24.media.tumblr.com/d5bd8247fabfb0b135004cc0ab162993/tumblr_n4pkqpVq4y1qg49moo1_500.jpg)



(I suppose the original source for the above image could be Hal Blaine's Facebook page, but I'm not sure.)



Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: RiC on April 30, 2014, 06:36:24 AM
Well, that's a cool pic!

That brings to my mind the fact that I think it's stupid that Brian's people take those crappy cellphone pics of him in the studio and post them on facebook. Or in better words, I'm afraid that's all they do to capture making of this album. No good quality pics, no video, nothing. Maybe I'm wrong, and I surely hope I am. But you never know if this will be the last time Brian records new stuff. So it will really be a shame if the only documents of it (except the music itself, of course) are couple shaky pictures with "shane" and some old guy who looks like Brian Wilson, but you can't really tell 'cause the pic's too blurry...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 30, 2014, 07:58:16 AM
so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.

That's quite an assumption… my list of musicians and vocalists was based only on the reports repeated in this thread. My bet is Jeff's been at Brian's side throughout, and hasn't been featured in pics etc because of the moans that might arise from (for example) some on this very board.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on April 30, 2014, 08:01:19 AM
so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.

That's quite an assumption… my list of musicians and vocalists was based only on the reports repeated in this thread. My bet is Jeff's been at Brian's side throughout, and hasn't been featured in pics etc because of the moans that might arise from (for example) some on this very board.
Maybe he's taken some of the pictures? It's highly unlikely Jeff Foskett isn't heavily involved in Brian's new LP...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: the professor on April 30, 2014, 09:35:44 AM
I meant, of course, in the current climate and in relation to the Professor's prediction that Brian's state of being , under the detailed care of his wife, would alienate even his closest supporters and drive them artistically and professionally to the BB camp, as it were. We have yet to hear anything like that confirmed, but it was, and still is, my prediction.

so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.

Sez who ? And assuming for the sake of argument he has, he'd be far from the first:

Todd Sucherman...
Jim Hines...
Bob Lizik...
Taylor Mills...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Pretty Funky on April 30, 2014, 09:58:32 AM
I am amazed how my little mention of Jeff not being listed has turned into a "he's fired!" angle.  :thud

C'mon people. Keep it real!


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 30, 2014, 10:04:43 AM
Brian is his own man, always has been and always will be. If he doesn't want to work with M&B, its his choice alone.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 30, 2014, 10:23:24 AM
Jeff will end up in the M&B band. Or running a self-serve gas station.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 30, 2014, 10:25:24 AM
 :lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 30, 2014, 10:44:37 AM
Brian is his own man, always has been and always will be. If he doesn't want to work with M&B, its his choice alone.

I respectfully disagree. I think Brian does (or doesn't do) things that are decided by others. Some people might refer to this practice as "influencing" Brian, but, in my opinion, and based on speculation (I don't know for a fact nor does anyone else on this board), decisions are made FOR him. It was found by a judge that Brian needed a conservator...


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on April 30, 2014, 07:05:07 PM
It was found by a judge that Brian needed a conservator...

As the Landy years drew to a close. Brian has not had a conservator for many years.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on April 30, 2014, 07:07:35 PM
so Jeff is the first to go. I wonder where he will show up? The professor stands by his earlier predictions. it will be exciting to see precisely what happens now.

Sez who ? And assuming for the sake of argument he has, he'd be far from the first:

Todd Sucherman...
Jim Hines...
Bob Lizik...
Taylor Mills...

IIRC, Todd left to play with Styx, and has returned to play on Brian's albums up through BWRG in 2010. And, of course, Lizik is back in the band.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 30, 2014, 07:56:41 PM
It was found by a judge that Brian needed a conservator...

As the Landy years drew to a close. Brian has not had a conservator for many years.

I didn't say he did.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on April 30, 2014, 09:16:40 PM
I looked at the Papa Doo Run website, and all their gigs are few and far between private gigs. Would Jeff really not appear on a Brian album for that? Maybe?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on April 30, 2014, 09:32:29 PM
Wonder why Bob L is back now...wonder what happened with Brett Simons. ..?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: The Shift on April 30, 2014, 10:27:30 PM
Wonder why Bob L is back now...wonder what happened with Brett Simons. ..?

Suspect it might be more a case of who's available to play when Brian's able/inspired to record?


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Loaf on May 01, 2014, 02:20:59 AM
Agreed. What if we had Teh Internet when BW was recording Pet Sounds?

zOMG! Hal Blaine not on today's session. Dafuq? Falling out with Brian?


Sessions are going on for months and months, thousands of overdubs. About as far away from live in the studio as you can get. Not everyone is going to be there for everything.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: c-man on May 01, 2014, 03:31:36 AM
Wonder why Bob L is back now...wonder what happened with Brett Simons. ..?

Brett appeared with The Beach Boys on the Grammys, but was absent from the 2012 tour, I'd say probably b/c of his commitments with Melissa Etheridge. Bob rejoined Brian's band after that tour, but note: Brett has played at least one studio session for Brian this year, probably for this same reason that Jim Keltner, Kenny Aronoff, and possibly Hal Blaine are drumming for Brian in the studio rather than Mike D'Amico: proximity. Bob and Mikey both live in other states (Illinois and Florida, respectively...at least last I heard)...which would also explain why Todd Sucherman isn't drumming for him (as he and Taylor live in Texas now, last I heard).


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lowbacca on May 01, 2014, 04:13:54 AM
Agreed. What if we had Teh Internet when BW was recording Pet Sounds?

zOMG! Hal Blaine not on today's session. Dafuq? Falling out with Brian?
:lol


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Autotune on May 01, 2014, 07:19:32 AM
It was found by a judge that Brian needed a conservator...

As the Landy years drew to a close. Brian has not had a conservator for many years.

Meet Jerome S. Billet
http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/90067-ca-jerome-billet-214429.html


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Wirestone on May 01, 2014, 10:18:32 AM
It was found by a judge that Brian needed a conservator...

As the Landy years drew to a close. Brian has not had a conservator for many years.

Meet Jerome S. Billet
http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/90067-ca-jerome-billet-214429.html

I'm aware of Mr. Billet. He was the conservator appointed as the Landy stuff broke up, in '91 or '92. It then went to Melinda after she and Brian married in '95 (https://variety.com/1995/film/features/beach-boy-wilson-sues-former-conservator-99129088/). In the early 2000s, I believe, Brian regained the legal ability to make business decisions on his own.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Lonely Summer on May 01, 2014, 10:20:47 PM
So is or isn't Brian still making an album with Glenn Beck? I'd like to hear their version of "GOMPS" - "get off my phone you little pinhead, get off my phone!"


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: Loaf on May 02, 2014, 01:43:43 AM
Wonder why Bob L is back now...wonder what happened with Brett Simons. ..?

Brett appeared with The Beach Boys on the Grammys, but was absent from the 2012 tour, I'd say probably b/c of his commitments with Melissa Etheridge. Bob rejoined Brian's band after that tour, but note: Brett has played at least one studio session for Brian this year, probably for this same reason that Jim Keltner, Kenny Aronoff, and possibly Hal Blaine are drumming for Brian in the studio rather than Mike D'Amico: proximity. Bob and Mikey both live in other states (Illinois and Florida, respectively...at least last I heard)...which would also explain why Todd Sucherman isn't drumming for him (as he and Taylor live in Texas now, last I heard).

You don't any excuse for having Jim Keltner on your session. The man has the touch. Kenny Aronoff on the other hand... i still haven't forgiven him for replacing Spencer Dryden on the Airplane's 89 reunion jeff. Heavyhanded 80s power rock thudding.


Title: Re: More About Brian/ Beck and New Album.
Post by: KittyKat on May 02, 2014, 11:53:03 AM
It was found by a judge that Brian needed a conservator...

As the Landy years drew to a close. Brian has not had a conservator for many years.

Meet Jerome S. Billet
http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/90067-ca-jerome-billet-214429.html

I'm aware of Mr. Billet. He was the conservator appointed as the Landy stuff broke up, in '91 or '92. It then went to Melinda after she and Brian married in '95 (https://variety.com/1995/film/features/beach-boy-wilson-sues-former-conservator-99129088/). In the early 2000s, I believe, Brian regained the legal ability to make business decisions on his own.

I had never read that article, thanks for the link. Brian's lawyers supposedly lied under oath during the Mike Love songwriting lawsuit?  With "park bench payoffs" involved, at that? Interesting. I also never knew that Melinda sued Brian's former conservator in the first place.