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Title: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on August 28, 2013, 07:10:04 AM
I've had the bootleg of this for years and always wondered this...

Who sings the high lead vocal on the chorus? The "It's happening again...." part.  It sounds like Bruce a little, Brian a little, or maybe Bruce and Brian together. I just can't tell. It's almost too smooth to be Brian which is why I think maybe Bruce.

Any ideas?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on August 28, 2013, 07:11:18 AM
I'm thinking Andy Paley.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: hypehat on August 28, 2013, 07:52:40 AM
Matt Jardine is credited on it, so I'd assume him.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Eric Aniversario on August 28, 2013, 08:54:04 AM
I've always assumed that was Brian


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Rocker on August 28, 2013, 08:57:30 AM
I've always assumed that was Brian


Pretty sure it's Brian. May someone else doubled with him on that.


(talking about the boot. Dunno if the MIC is a different one)


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Jesse Reiswig on August 28, 2013, 09:59:15 AM
To me, that particular vocal sounds the same on the MIC version. I actually think it's two voices singing the same line. Possibly Brian and Matt? Sort of like how Brian and Carl sing in tandem on "Let the Wind Blow" and it ends up sounding a lot like both of them.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on August 28, 2013, 11:45:24 PM
Brian & Alan was always my best guess.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 28, 2013, 11:58:54 PM
To my ears, that part is pure, 100% 1995-vintage Brian falsetto, nasally squeakiness intact. I always thought it was double-tracked Brians. If I'm wrong, Brian is still the (much) louder part.

Now, if we only knew when the lead dated from. My guess is either 2002 or May 2013 (doubtful).

Talking about the MIC version...


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: HeyJude on August 29, 2013, 12:06:42 AM
I would agree with the others that that particular bit as heard on the MIC version is retained from the '95 version, and it sounds like Brian. The rest of the falsetto on the song is Matt Jardine, very audibly so.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 29, 2013, 12:13:11 AM
I thought it was Matt! Further proof that this guy should've been part of the reunion shows or album. So much more tastefully done than others who've filled the unfillable shoes Brian gave up for shoes made of cigarettes. :'(

I'd swear, though, that Brian is doing at least one of the falsettos on the bootlegged version.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on August 29, 2013, 12:17:00 AM
Further proof that this guy should've been part of the reunion shows or album. So much more tastefully done than others who've filled the unfillable shoes Brian gave up for shoes made of cigarettes. :'(


Foskett is weeping now. Like a little girl.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: STE on August 29, 2013, 04:03:50 AM


I speeded up the MIC version of 5% and it sounds more like the version we are used to and, I think, overall better.
Still a shame about the pitch-correction.

As long as we have a thread for the song, does anybody know for sure what the background vocals under the lead are saying?

It's happening again
- Tell me your secrets (? ? ?)
I thought you were my friend
- Give it to me straight now (? ? ? inside?)
Help me through this please
- Need a little hand now (? ? ?)
Help me find a key
- Gotta find a key now (you're still a mistery)
You're still a mistery





Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: 37!ws on August 29, 2013, 04:41:17 AM
I don't know for sure, I've been wondering that for nearly 15 years...

BTW, anybody else notice something...interesting...about the lead vocals?

[EDIT: oops...I see that's been discussed in the other thread...it's great to have the song in decent quality, but I have mixed feelings about the rerecorded vocal...on one hand, I much prefer Brian's current voice over his harsher 1993-1995 voice, but on the other hand, we're still missing something, know what I mean?]


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: DonnyL on August 29, 2013, 10:47:01 AM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ

... similar to 1981 Brian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBgipKCTmkM

I'm a fan

something happened between '95 & '98 ... he sounds totally uninterested and bored from then on.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: 37!ws on August 29, 2013, 11:20:22 AM
So....what stuff between 1995 and 1998 IS there, other than Imagination??


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on August 29, 2013, 11:24:07 AM
something happened between '95 & '98 ... he sounds totally uninterested and bored from then on.

Several things happened.

-- He totally changed medication regimens. In 94 or so, he was still on a bunch of stuff left over from the Landy era. Around that time, Melinda had him go through an entire new round of doctors' visits and cut his meds waaaay back.

-- He stopped smoking. He had started again toward the end of the Landy years, and kept it up until he married Melinda.

-- He started working with a vocal coach.

Disagree with the "totally uninterested and bored" comment. Starting with Imagination, Brian adopted a different, much smoother (and generally more pleasing) vocal approach, which has only gotten better over the years.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on August 29, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
So....what stuff between 1995 and 1998 IS there, other than Imagination??

Stars and Stripes. The Wilsons album. The Imagination demos.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on August 29, 2013, 11:26:57 AM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ


Gotta say I prefer almost any post-98 Brian vocal to that. Painful (if spirited).


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: 37!ws on August 29, 2013, 11:40:24 AM
So....what stuff between 1995 and 1998 IS there, other than Imagination??

Stars and Stripes. The Wilsons album. The Imagination demos.

Demos??? Wha???

BTW, where can you even HEAR Brian on S&S?? And I'd hardly use the minuscule contributions on The Wilson to judge his voice...


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: DonnyL on August 29, 2013, 12:23:06 PM
So....what stuff between 1995 and 1998 IS there, other than Imagination??

that's what I mean -- comparing the Paley stuff to Imagination


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: southbay on August 29, 2013, 12:32:30 PM
So....what stuff between 1995 and 1998 IS there, other than Imagination??

Stars and Stripes. The Wilsons album. The Imagination demos.

Demos??? Wha???

BTW, where can you even HEAR Brian on S&S?? And I'd hardly use the minuscule contributions on The Wilson to judge his voice...

He's actually pretty prominent in places--TWOTS, Caroline, No, LDC just off the top of my head.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on August 29, 2013, 01:14:18 PM
So....what stuff between 1995 and 1998 IS there, other than Imagination??

Stars and Stripes. The Wilsons album. The Imagination demos.

Demos??? Wha???

There are two or three out there, mostly as played on Steve Dahl's radio show.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on August 29, 2013, 01:24:02 PM
I thought it was Jeff.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on August 29, 2013, 02:11:38 PM
I don't think Jeff was involved with the Beach Boys in the mid-90s


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on August 29, 2013, 02:12:27 PM
I don't think Jeff was involved with the Beach Boys in the mid-90s

Yeah, but if Brian re-recorded his vocals recently, it's possible Jeff added backing as well.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: 37!ws on August 29, 2013, 02:46:43 PM
I dunno, the only thing that sounds different to me are the new chorused Brian vocals.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on August 29, 2013, 03:02:09 PM
It took a couple of listens, but I think I love this song. So cool. Oh, what could have been....


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: southbay on August 29, 2013, 03:19:02 PM
It took a couple of listens, but I think I love this song. So cool. Oh, what could have been....

Yeah, it was definitely a frustrating time for fans when this project just got scrapped.  This is why TWGMTR was so important to me, it kind of finally completed that false start


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on August 29, 2013, 03:23:05 PM
I'm not sure this MIC vocal isn't the same as the bootleg...it's so drastically slowed down from the booted version that maybe that's why BW's voice sounds so different?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Shady on August 29, 2013, 03:27:00 PM
Were The Beach Boys on crystal meth?

Add this song to the endless amount of songs that they somehow decided not to release.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on August 29, 2013, 04:27:09 PM
Were The Beach Boys on crystal meth?

Add this song to the endless amount of songs that they somehow decided not to release.

It's mind-boggling, isn't it. What a fantastic song.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: anazgnos on August 29, 2013, 04:56:22 PM
I speeded up the MIC version of 5% and it sounds more like the version we are used to and, I think, overall better.
Still a shame about the pitch-correction.

Thought it was well-established that it was the bootleg that was running fast all these years.  I took the MIC version to be the actual speed and pitch of the song as recorded.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: drbeachboy on August 29, 2013, 05:15:52 PM
I speeded up the MIC version of 5% and it sounds more like the version we are used to and, I think, overall better.
Still a shame about the pitch-correction.

Thought it was well-established that it was the bootleg that was running fast all these years.  I took the MIC version to be the actual speed and pitch of the song as recorded.
Well, he could have slowed the boot 5% too.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 29, 2013, 06:25:14 PM
I speeded up the MIC version of 5% and it sounds more like the version we are used to and, I think, overall better.
Still a shame about the pitch-correction.

Thought it was well-established that it was the bootleg that was running fast all these years.  I took the MIC version to be the actual speed and pitch of the song as recorded.
it is. The Wilson/Paley boots are all at the incorrect sp end; some are too fast while some are too slow. My personal feeling is that this was a way of watermarking.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: 37!ws on August 29, 2013, 06:30:10 PM
It took a couple of listens, but I think I love this song. So cool. Oh, what could have been....

Timmy, I've been saying for years that "You're Still A Mystery" is indisputable evidence that if the Beach Boys could just put aside their crap and let Brian do his thing, they could produce some really good stuff.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on August 29, 2013, 07:20:50 PM
Which is why, a couple of duff tracks aside, TWGMTR worked out as well as it did ...


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: monicker on August 29, 2013, 07:29:33 PM
I think this song (and the production) is better than anything on TWGMTR, easily.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Phoenix on August 29, 2013, 11:13:46 PM
Further proof that this guy should've been part of the reunion shows or album. So much more tastefully done than others who've filled the unfillable shoes Brian gave up for shoes made of cigarettes. :'(


Foskett is weeping now. Like a little girl.

I doubt it.  More like laughing at Runners' frustration, confident in his job security with Brian.  ;D


No offense, Runners.  I just doubt Jeff is losing any sleep.  ;)


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on August 29, 2013, 11:27:12 PM
Which is why, a couple of duff tracks aside, TWGMTR worked out as well as it did ...

But Brian and Mike never got alone in a room, therefore it was a failure! 


;)  ;D


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Nile on August 29, 2013, 11:42:34 PM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ

... similar to 1981 Brian:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBgipKCTmkM

I'm a fan

something happened between '95 & '98 ... he sounds totally uninterested and bored from then on.


I think that this video shows that Bri can still do it if he wants to, when he's not shouting words, just laid back singin'..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRHLAnd83g


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: HeyJude on August 30, 2013, 12:55:35 AM
Which is why, a couple of duff tracks aside, TWGMTR worked out as well as it did ...

Exactly!  ;D


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 30, 2013, 02:02:16 AM
Further proof that this guy should've been part of the reunion shows or album. So much more tastefully done than others who've filled the unfillable shoes Brian gave up for shoes made of cigarettes. :'(


Foskett is weeping now. Like a little girl.

I doubt it.  More like laughing at Runners' frustration, confident in his job security with Brian.  ;D


No offense, Runners.  I just doubt Jeff is losing any sleep.  ;)

I ain't care, I'm just sayin' Matt Jardine is my lord.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: 37!ws on August 30, 2013, 05:02:26 AM
Thought it was well-established that it was the bootleg that was running fast all these years.  I took the MIC version to be the actual speed and pitch of the song as recorded.
it is. The Wilson/Paley boots are all at the incorrect sp end; some are too fast while some are too slow. My personal feeling is that this was a way of watermarking.

According to what Bob Hanes told me years ago, you're 100% right on that feeling. (At least) two copies were made with the watermarking: one that plays at normal speed but not-so-good sound quality, and another that has better (albeit not perfect) sound but plays a bit fast; the latter was used to make LandyLocked, I believe. Bob told me to whom they traced each of these. We've heard of both (the one I'm not sure of may have been a certain BB author with an odd 'give me money and I'll write my next book' system, but I may be wrong), and the other was traced to another BB fan/author whose name I ABSOLUTELY remember but won't say who other than most of us have heard of him.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Micha on August 30, 2013, 06:22:47 AM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on August 30, 2013, 06:33:59 AM
I think this song (and the production) is better than anything on TWGMTR, easily.

Totally agree. Got to admit, I'd never heard this song at all before and I love it! So goes to show that these alterations made by Mark and Alan are perhaps only really a problem if you're really familiar with the originals...? I hate what they've done to Sail Plane Song but perhaps someone coming to it for the first time will just think it sounds great...


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Micha on August 30, 2013, 07:01:56 AM
I think this song (and the production) is better than anything on TWGMTR, easily.

Totally agree. Got to admit, I'd never heard this song at all before and I love it! So goes to show that these alterations made by Mark and Alan are perhaps only really a problem if you're really familiar with the originals...? I hate what they've done to Sail Plane Song but perhaps someone coming to it for the first time will just think it sounds great...

It's all down to taste. Personally, I like what they did both to SPS and R'n'R Music despite knowing the earlier versions, and dislike this version Of "Fallin' In Love".


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on August 30, 2013, 07:04:38 AM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Tony S on August 30, 2013, 07:39:38 AM
Agree, Al and Matt.....took me a while to pinpoint Matt, then read the accompanying book, and it credits Matt.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: southbay on August 31, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
I've had the bootleg of this for years and always wondered this...

Who sings the high lead vocal on the chorus? The "It's happening again...." part.  It sounds like Bruce a little, Brian a little, or maybe Bruce and Brian together. I just can't tell. It's almost too smooth to be Brian which is why I think maybe Bruce.

Any ideas?

On the boot I always thought it was Brian; now being able to hear the clean version it is obvious that it is Matt (although another voice--Al, Bruce, Brian--MAY be with him). Agree that Al is very clearly on the chorus, "Give it to me straight now", etc.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Alan Boyd on August 31, 2013, 03:24:49 PM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.

it's Matt and Carl singing the high lead in the choruses.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on August 31, 2013, 03:34:58 PM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.

it's Matt and Carl singing the high lead in the choruses.

Thanks for the response, Alan!


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: southbay on August 31, 2013, 03:43:31 PM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.

it's Matt and Carl singing the high lead in the choruses.

Bingo.  I knew it was Matt, should have known Carl was the other voice..  Thanks, Alan.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on August 31, 2013, 03:50:03 PM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.

it's Matt and Carl singing the high lead in the choruses.

YAY!!! AB appears.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: seltaeb1012002 on August 31, 2013, 03:50:50 PM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.

it's Matt and Carl singing the high lead in the choruses.

Mind blown. It all makes sense now. Thanks.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on August 31, 2013, 05:27:37 PM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Dave Modny on August 31, 2013, 06:02:33 PM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace

Heh. Indeed.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on August 31, 2013, 10:00:09 PM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace

You'll find out - soon enough.  :)


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Yorick on September 01, 2013, 05:51:56 AM
Are they gonna release it as a single B/W Soul Searching?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Paulos on September 01, 2013, 06:04:28 AM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace

You'll find out - soon enough.  :)

Would this be what this line in the MIC booklet is referring to: 'online sessionography, liner notes and historical research: Craig Slowinski'


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 01, 2013, 07:30:12 AM
My guess on the lead vox originally in question in this thread is: Bruce and Al.

I think it's Matt and Bruce. Al is really prominent on the "tell me your secrets" and related lines, though.

it's Matt and Carl singing the high lead in the choruses.

Alan, thanks for your work on this box set. I for one am enjoying it tremendously.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Micha on September 01, 2013, 07:36:12 AM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace

You'll find out - soon enough.  :)

Like... today? ::) Pretty please...


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 01, 2013, 08:14:25 AM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace

You'll find out - soon enough.  :)

Would this be what this line in the MIC booklet is referring to: 'online sessionography, liner notes and historical research: Craig Slowinski'

Yes.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: pixletwin on September 01, 2013, 08:17:29 AM
I am almost as excited to read the sessionography as I was to hear the box set.... Almost...   :lol


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Dave Modny on September 01, 2013, 12:49:31 PM
Now if we just knew when the lead on the MIC version was done, we'd have world peace

You'll find out - soon enough.  :)

Would this be what this line in the MIC booklet is referring to: 'online sessionography, liner notes and historical research: Craig Slowinski'

Yes.


Great news. When I first saw that little blurb in the booklet, I actually went online and did a Google search for "Beach Boys Sessionography Slowinski" -- thinking I was missing something. Of course, simply finding his previous essays.

Any time frame as to when this will be completed/available?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on September 01, 2013, 01:37:16 PM
Alan Boyd, thanks for answering my original question in this thread. I am pleasantly surprised to hear that one of those voices is Carl. I really, really thought it sounded like Bruce. I didn't think Carl would be doing much falsetto singing by the mid-90s but it's really cool to hear that he did.

Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us and for all your work on bringing us great unheard Beach Boys music.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on September 01, 2013, 04:29:16 PM
I'll be damned....now I can hear Carl in there....amazing.

This song, and a good recording of it, may be the absolute highlight of MIC. This song is as good as anything Brian and the boys created since SMiLE or at least 'Til I Die.

Brilliant.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Jonas on September 06, 2013, 11:57:43 AM
So glad to see this thread exists. When I saw YSAM (havent been paying attention to MIC) I totally flipped. Now I have it on repeat....its happening again!


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Paulos on September 07, 2013, 02:22:14 AM
So glad to see this thread exists. When I saw YSAM (havent been paying attention to MIC) I totally flipped. Now I have it on repeat....its happening again!

Jonas, you're alive!


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Jim V. on September 07, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
Great to see we have moderators that aren't even aware of Made In California.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on September 07, 2013, 10:28:06 PM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ


Gotta say I prefer almost any post-98 Brian vocal to that. Painful (if spirited).

I actually think that's the best performance i've heard from Brian in a while, didn't know he could sing that song that good, maybe the coolest thing i've heard from Brian since the 80's era.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 07, 2013, 10:57:06 PM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ


Gotta say I prefer almost any post-98 Brian vocal to that. Painful (if spirited).

I actually think that's the best performance i've heard from Brian in a while, didn't know he could sing that song that good, maybe the coolest thing i've heard from Brian since the 80's era.

On the Paley songs, with a couple of exceptions, Brian sounds like someone trapped in a mental ward.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on September 08, 2013, 08:43:34 AM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ


Gotta say I prefer almost any post-98 Brian vocal to that. Painful (if spirited).

I actually think that's the best performance i've heard from Brian in a while, didn't know he could sing that song that good, maybe the coolest thing i've heard from Brian since the 80's era.

On the Paley songs, with a couple of exceptions, Brian sounds like someone trapped in a mental ward.

I desperately want to disagree, but that made me laugh too much!


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: grillo on September 08, 2013, 09:00:20 PM
'95 Brian was a cool singer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N90zRw-2fkQ


Gotta say I prefer almost any post-98 Brian vocal to that. Painful (if spirited).

I actually think that's the best performance i've heard from Brian in a while, didn't know he could sing that song that good, maybe the coolest thing i've heard from Brian since the 80's era.

On the Paley songs, with a couple of exceptions, Brian sounds like someone trapped in a mental ward.
  I can't think of any exceptions!


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: dellydel on September 09, 2013, 08:48:04 AM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  God, I want an album from the mid 90s with songs like this.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 09, 2013, 09:25:47 AM
So did everybody.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: SMiLE Brian on September 09, 2013, 09:38:20 AM
*sigh* And we got Stars and Stripes instead.....


P.S- Plus the "fun fun fun" with status quo.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 09, 2013, 10:58:32 AM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much? 

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.



Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 09, 2013, 04:44:43 PM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.


Regardless of there not being much competition, "Mystery" and "Soul Searchin'" are just fuckin' miles upon miles ahead of the other stuff you named, Sweet Insanity, etc.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 09, 2013, 04:53:56 PM
I think I remember reading that Andy only wrote the chorus to "Soul Searchin'."

¸ (The Artist Formerly Known as Runnerz) edited his post and made my post look out of place  :'(


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 10, 2013, 04:05:49 AM
I think I remember reading that Andy only wrote the chorus to "Soul Searchin'."

¸ (The Artist Formerly Known as Runnerz) edited his post and made my post look out of place  :'(

Andy says:  "I recorded the song by myself and had the track completely done before Brian ever heard it. I had the hook (sings ‘Soul Searchin’’) but I didn’t have any lyrics. Brian came up with the first line (recites “I was a bum…”) and we worked on it from there. Brian contributed heavily with lyrics on that one."

http://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/the-issue/


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 10, 2013, 05:40:46 AM
I'd never heard the Solomon Burke arrangement before. I'm wondering if this is closer to the later track Carl put his vocal to, the one he wasn't so into.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 10, 2013, 01:41:57 PM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.


Regardless of there not being much competition, "Mystery" and "Soul Searchin'" are just fuckin' miles upon miles ahead of the other stuff you named, Sweet Insanity, etc.

Look, I'm sorry, but Soul Searchin' is extremely derivative and unoriginal. There is nothing at all special about the song itself. I only appreciate it because it's an extremely rare specimen of mid-90s Beach Boys vocals. And I feel very comfortable saying that now that we know that it's an Andy Paley song. Lahaina Aloha is hands down a better song and a more enjoyable track (the second half of that sentence is IMO of course).


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on September 10, 2013, 02:56:08 PM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.


Regardless of there not being much competition, "Mystery" and "Soul Searchin'" are just fuckin' miles upon miles ahead of the other stuff you named, Sweet Insanity, etc.

Look, I'm sorry, but Soul Searchin' is extremely derivative and unoriginal. There is nothing at all special about the song itself. I only appreciate it because it's an extremely rare specimen of mid-90s Beach Boys vocals. And I feel very comfortable saying that now that we know that it's an Andy Paley song. Lahaina Aloha is hands down a better song and a more enjoyable track (the second half of that sentence is IMO of course).

Actually, both halves of that last sentence are your opinion. They're both completely subjective statements. "Soul Searching" is a better song than "Lahaina Aloha" and it's more enjoyable. See?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Smilin Ed H on September 10, 2013, 03:11:30 PM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.


Regardless of there not being much competition, "Mystery" and "Soul Searchin'" are just fuckin' miles upon miles ahead of the other stuff you named, Sweet Insanity, etc.

Look, I'm sorry, but Soul Searchin' is extremely derivative and unoriginal. There is nothing at all special about the song itself. I only appreciate it because it's an extremely rare specimen of mid-90s Beach Boys vocals. And I feel very comfortable saying that now that we know that it's an Andy Paley song. Lahaina Aloha is hands down a better song and a more enjoyable track (the second half of that sentence is IMO of course).

Agree, about Soul Serachin'. It's nice, but...  then you spoil it whenl you mention Lahaina Aloha which is a piece of merde.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 10, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.


Regardless of there not being much competition, "Mystery" and "Soul Searchin'" are just fuckin' miles upon miles ahead of the other stuff you named, Sweet Insanity, etc.

Look, I'm sorry, but Soul Searchin' is extremely derivative and unoriginal. There is nothing at all special about the song itself. I only appreciate it because it's an extremely rare specimen of mid-90s Beach Boys vocals. And I feel very comfortable saying that now that we know that it's an Andy Paley song. Lahaina Aloha is hands down a better song and a more enjoyable track (the second half of that sentence is IMO of course).

Agree, about Soul Serachin'. It's nice, but...  then you spoil it whenl you mention Lahaina Aloha which is a piece of merde.

agree to disagree on LA! I know I'm not the only who thinks it's good... :)


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 10, 2013, 03:28:30 PM


Look, I'm sorry, but Soul Searchin' is extremely derivative and unoriginal. There is nothing at all special about the song itself. I only appreciate it because it's an extremely rare specimen of mid-90s Beach Boys vocals. And I feel very comfortable saying that now that we know that it's an Andy Paley song. Lahaina Aloha is hands down a better song and a more enjoyable track (the second half of that sentence is IMO of course).

Actually, both halves of that last sentence are your opinion. They're both completely subjective statements. "Soul Searching" is a better song than "Lahaina Aloha" and it's more enjoyable. See?

Sure, I was kind of writing that tongue in cheek, but I'm sort of serious about it at the same time. What I mean is that I think that some things/art/songs are not just a matter of taste/preference, but are in fact objectively better than other things/art/songs, regardless of what you (the universal you) personally find enjoyable or not. I'm not smart enough to explain why I think LA is an objectively better song than Soul Searchin (again, the songs themselves, not necessarily the production, performance, etc), but my gut tells me that LA is objectively better (it's certainly based I would think on the derivative nature of SS and the more original sound of LA). I can't really argue it, and I definitely can't prove it, but I bet someone much smarter than me could.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on September 10, 2013, 03:36:46 PM
I understand how you feel, but I still say it's not objective...I can just as easily say that Lahaina Aloha (which I like, btw) is far more derivative than Soul Searchin. I find the late 80s/early 90s drums, driving guitar/bass and production to be incredibly derivative myself. Carl's vocal saves it from mediocrity, in my opinion, and lifts it to "pretty good" status.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 10, 2013, 03:39:41 PM
I hear ya.  :)


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 10, 2013, 04:19:50 PM
Don't get me wrong, to me, "You're Still A Mystery" is itself miles beyond "Soul Searchin'". Still, "Soul Searchin'", which I find to be only pretty good and not quite great (and indeed a bit derivative, but not really to its detriment), does so much more for me than maybe 80% of the stuff they've done from 81-2011 (solo material included).

It just feels so "right", there's this air of simplicity in there that I just haven't heard on much else over the last few decades. No Landy, no Melinda censoring, no "The Mike Love Experience" touring group, no "Brian's potential as an adult contemporary artist" producers, no heavy-handed emphasis on "Let's try to sound serious and dignified here, guys", no ill-fitting production, no "Let's have Jeff shadow Brian because we basically don't believe in him anymore" (and indeed no Jeff), no gaping Carl Wilson-sized hole, no spiteful horseshit or 1-upping, none of that shit. It makes me feel good in the same way their early 60s material does. It's kind of a special song in their catalog, I feel. Just me, though.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 10, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
I just fell in love with this song, it's so classy, not crassy, not 90s, Pet Sound-y, kinda fantastic all around.

Soooooo... is it ok to say that THIS IS THE BEST BEACH BOYS SONG OF THE 90s?!?!?!  I know it's not ALL 90s but pretty much?  

#1 - She's Still A Mystery
#2 - Lahaina Aloha

No joke. Sorry folks. Of course what else is there? The rest of SIP, Problem Child, Crocodile Rock (other than S&S/Fun Fun Fun). THAT'S IT. So not much competition is my point.


Regardless of there not being much competition, "Mystery" and "Soul Searchin'" are just fuckin' miles upon miles ahead of the other stuff you named, Sweet Insanity, etc.

Look, I'm sorry, but Soul Searchin' is extremely derivative and unoriginal. There is nothing at all special about the song itself. I only appreciate it because it's an extremely rare specimen of mid-90s Beach Boys vocals. And I feel very comfortable saying that now that we know that it's an Andy Paley song. Lahaina Aloha is hands down a better song and a more enjoyable track (the second half of that sentence is IMO of course).

Agree, about Soul Serachin'. It's nice, but...  then you spoil it whenl you mention Lahaina Aloha which is a piece of merde.

agree to disagree on LA! I know I'm not the only who thinks it's good... :)

Hey, I really dig both "SS" and "LA".  I favor "SS", but have always liked "LA".  I think it gets a bad wrap simply b/c of the album from which it originates.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: clack on September 10, 2013, 04:56:43 PM
Don't get me wrong, to me, "You're Still A Mystery" is itself miles beyond "Soul Searchin'". Still, "Soul Searchin'", which I find to be only pretty good and not quite great (and indeed a bit derivative, but not really to its detriment), does so much more for me than maybe 80% of the stuff they've done from 81-2011 (solo material included).

It just feels so "right", there's this air of simplicity in there that I just haven't heard on much else over the last few decades. No Landy, no Melinda censoring, no "The Mike Love Experience" touring group, no "Brian's potential as an adult contemporary artist" producers, no heavy-handed emphasis on "Let's try to sound serious and dignified here, guys", no ill-fitting production, no "Let's have Jeff shadow Brian because we basically don't believe in him anymore" (and indeed no Jeff), no gaping Carl Wilson-sized hole, no spiteful horseshit or 1-upping, none of that shit. It makes me feel good in the same way their early 60s material does. It's kind of a special song in their catalog, I feel. Just me, though.
Not just you. I agree with every word you said, except I think 'Soul Searchin' is not just pretty good -- it's good, period.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 10, 2013, 05:41:28 PM
Don't get me wrong, to me, "You're Still A Mystery" is itself miles beyond "Soul Searchin'". Still, "Soul Searchin'", which I find to be only pretty good and not quite great (and indeed a bit derivative, but not really to its detriment), does so much more for me than maybe 80% of the stuff they've done from 81-2011 (solo material included).

It just feels so "right", there's this air of simplicity in there that I just haven't heard on much else over the last few decades. No Landy, no Melinda censoring, no "The Mike Love Experience" touring group, no "Brian's potential as an adult contemporary artist" producers, no heavy-handed emphasis on "Let's try to sound serious and dignified here, guys", no ill-fitting production, no "Let's have Jeff shadow Brian because we basically don't believe in him anymore" (and indeed no Jeff), no gaping Carl Wilson-sized hole, no spiteful horseshit or 1-upping, none of that shit. It makes me feel good in the same way their early 60s material does. It's kind of a special song in their catalog, I feel. Just me, though.
Not just you. I agree with every word you said, except I think 'Soul Searchin' is not just pretty good -- it's good, period.

Heh, sorry, I guess I meant "Pretty good" in a way to mean somewhere between good and truly great, although I know it usually means something closer to "Mostly good."

Even that seems to be the wrong way of putting it and I guess I was trying to see both sides of it (or something) by even saying "pretty good". I like the song a lot and that's that. ^_^


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 10, 2013, 06:06:22 PM
Sorry, what has Melinda censored again?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Marcella on September 10, 2013, 06:28:33 PM
"Sherry She Needs Me" became "She Said That She Needs Me"...only instance of Melinda censoring I am aware of....didn't like him singing about another woman...this from a woman who knowingly married  a man on a date that aligned with his previous wife's birthday so that he could remember the date better...strange woman Melinda


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Gertie J. on September 10, 2013, 06:38:48 PM
hell who gives a fucking damn about melinda? she's nothing more than just a rockstar's housewife.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: runnersdialzero on September 10, 2013, 06:41:53 PM
Sorry, what has Melinda censored again?

Wanting and/or demanding "Sherry She Needs Me" get a lyrical re-write because Brian dated a Sherry like forty years before Imagination came to be, for instance. Between that and Joe Thomas' gnarly production, all the charm and subtle humor of that one was completely one. It is/was a great song and it was sad to see it so heavily compromised.

I was mainly using it as an example of something unfortunate happening just a couple years after "Soul Searchin'". Just seemed like very, very different times.

I likes you Stoney, but you don't have to immediately jump all over folks and accuse them of being irrational the minute they criticize one of the folks who run the show that aren't Brian, Mike, Bruce, Al or David.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 10, 2013, 10:54:35 PM
I'm just being difficult. Pay me no mind.

Sadly, the best thread ever about Melinda's villainy disappeared from the board some time back ... It lives on if you do a bit of Googling, though. I started it, and there's a bunch of fun stuff on there. Including the fact that she called the Paley sessions demos. Boo! Hiss!

 ;D


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 11, 2013, 03:42:14 AM
I'm just being difficult. Pay me no mind.

Sadly, the best thread ever about Melinda's villainy disappeared from the board some time back ... It lives on if you do a bit of Googling, though. I started it, and there's a bunch of fun stuff on there. Including the fact that she called the Paley sessions demos. Boo! Hiss!

 ;D

Don Was may have influenced her in the "demo" department...he consistently referred to those sessions as such, even though Andy went on record stating uncategorically that they were "masters, not demos"...as if what he intended to do with those songs would automatically elevated them to "releaseable" status (definitely NOT the case).


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: HeyJude on September 12, 2013, 06:46:48 AM
I understand how you feel, but I still say it's not objective...I can just as easily say that Lahaina Aloha (which I like, btw) is far more derivative than Soul Searchin. I find the late 80s/early 90s drums, driving guitar/bass and production to be incredibly derivative myself. Carl's vocal saves it from mediocrity, in my opinion, and lifts it to "pretty good" status.

Exactly, there's nothing in the chords structure of "Lahaina Aloha" that is ground breaking either. It has nice ear-catching chord changes, but they are not at all original or unique. Certainly, production-wise, for what it's worth, "Lahaina Aloha" is far less "timeless" than "Soul Searchin'." On "Lahaina Aloha", you can tell from a mile away that it was recorded and mixed in the early 90's. Harsh, fake-sounding drums, and the overall mixing and mastering screams early 90's digital.

I think "Lahaina Aloha" is a cool little song; probably the best thing on "SIP." It probably belongs on a career-spanning BB boxed set to best represent that era.

If you're more inclined to catchy, poppy stuff, I can see how you'd like "Lahaina Aloha" more than "Soul Searchin'." But if we're breaking it down in terms of originality and whatnot, I don't think "LA" is in any way more noteworthy.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 12, 2013, 06:46:51 PM
I understand how you feel, but I still say it's not objective...I can just as easily say that Lahaina Aloha (which I like, btw) is far more derivative than Soul Searchin. I find the late 80s/early 90s drums, driving guitar/bass and production to be incredibly derivative myself. Carl's vocal saves it from mediocrity, in my opinion, and lifts it to "pretty good" status.

Exactly, there's nothing in the chords structure of "Lahaina Aloha" that is ground breaking either. It has nice ear-catching chord changes, but they are not at all original or unique. Certainly, production-wise, for what it's worth, "Lahaina Aloha" is far less "timeless" than "Soul Searchin'." On "Lahaina Aloha", you can tell from a mile away that it was recorded and mixed in the early 90's. Harsh, fake-sounding drums, and the overall mixing and mastering screams early 90's digital.

I think "Lahaina Aloha" is a cool little song; probably the best thing on "SIP." It probably belongs on a career-spanning BB boxed set to best represent that era.

If you're more inclined to catchy, poppy stuff, I can see how you'd like "Lahaina Aloha" more than "Soul Searchin'." But if we're breaking it down in terms of originality and whatnot, I don't think "LA" is in any way more noteworthy.

I just completely disagree. Oh well. But lets at least remember that soul searchin is an Andy Paley song with some Brian Wilson lyrics. Not the other way around. My point being that it is in no way Beach Boys sacrilege to suggest that Soul Searchin as song is just average and not particularly noteworthy.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: TimmyC on September 12, 2013, 06:50:22 PM
I understand how you feel, but I still say it's not objective...I can just as easily say that Lahaina Aloha (which I like, btw) is far more derivative than Soul Searchin. I find the late 80s/early 90s drums, driving guitar/bass and production to be incredibly derivative myself. Carl's vocal saves it from mediocrity, in my opinion, and lifts it to "pretty good" status.

Exactly, there's nothing in the chords structure of "Lahaina Aloha" that is ground breaking either. It has nice ear-catching chord changes, but they are not at all original or unique. Certainly, production-wise, for what it's worth, "Lahaina Aloha" is far less "timeless" than "Soul Searchin'." On "Lahaina Aloha", you can tell from a mile away that it was recorded and mixed in the early 90's. Harsh, fake-sounding drums, and the overall mixing and mastering screams early 90's digital.

I think "Lahaina Aloha" is a cool little song; probably the best thing on "SIP." It probably belongs on a career-spanning BB boxed set to best represent that era.

If you're more inclined to catchy, poppy stuff, I can see how you'd like "Lahaina Aloha" more than "Soul Searchin'." But if we're breaking it down in terms of originality and whatnot, I don't think "LA" is in any way more noteworthy.

I just completely disagree. Oh well. But lets at least remember that soul searchin is an Andy Paley song with some Brian Wilson lyrics. Not the other way around. My point being that it is in no way Beach Boys sacrilege to suggest that Soul Searchin as a song is just average and not particularly noteworthy.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 12, 2013, 07:40:07 PM
I'm just being difficult. Pay me no mind.

Sadly, the best thread ever about Melinda's villainy disappeared from the board some time back ... It lives on if you do a bit of Googling, though. I started it, and there's a bunch of fun stuff on there. Including the fact that she called the Paley sessions demos. Boo! Hiss!

 ;D

Don Was may have influenced her in the "demo" department...he consistently referred to those sessions as such, even though Andy went on record stating uncategorically that they were "masters, not demos"...as if what he intended to do with those songs would automatically elevated them to "releaseable" status (definitely NOT the case).

It's a weird thing, because I think most of the vocals are definitely scratch takes (including the fact that Andy does leads on some stuff that is very, very Brian, like "Frankie Avalon"). And some of the tracks (including, again, "Frankie Avalon" and "God Did It") are clearly works in progress.

But a lot of the tracks are fully orchestrated, complete with horns and sound effects and what not. It's hard to call the track to "Some Sweet Day," for example, a demo, or a lot of the bigger productions. It's not remotely on the level of the TLOS demos, which really are just the sound of two guys in a room. Andy and Brian were in real studios, with real studio guys.

Enough from me, though. Craig, why would you say the Paley tracks weren't releasable. (Assuming they got some decent leads and backing vox recorded.)


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 12, 2013, 07:44:08 PM
But lets at least remember that soul searchin is an Andy Paley song with some Brian Wilson lyrics. Not the other way around.

1.) Without lyrics, a song ain't a song.

2.) Andy's accounts of his work with BW are ... um ... shall we say, his role has grown in the telling.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 12, 2013, 07:53:58 PM
Does anybody remember the Rolling Stone piece when Imagination was released? I recall Brian seemingly not too enthused with Imagination, and preferred to release the Paley stuff, but Melinda was dismissive of it.

Quote
Andy's accounts of his work with BW are ... um ... shall we say, his role has grown in the telling.

That is most definitely true. Certainly has caused him a problem or two, so to speak.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Jim V. on September 12, 2013, 08:00:57 PM
Does anybody remember the Rolling Stone piece when Imagination was released? I recall Brian seemingly not too enthused with Imagination, and preferred to release the Paley stuff, but Melinda was dismissive of it.

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Andy's accounts of his work with BW are ... um ... shall we say, his role has grown in the telling.

That is most definitely true. Certainly has caused him a problem or two, so to speak.


Now this I've never heard of! Anybody got a scan of this? Or could at least type that article up?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 12, 2013, 08:15:46 PM
I wish I still had it. It was a nice sized article, too. Brian also had a feature story in USA Today around that same time, too.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 12, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
There was an RS piece in 2000, when BW had briefly reunited with Andy and was working on some of the Paley sessions songs again. I remember that distinctly.



Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 12, 2013, 08:21:22 PM
There was an RS piece in 2000, when BW had briefly reunited with Andy and was working on some of the Paley sessions songs again. I remember that distinctly.



If anybody has any more info, I can look through the Rolling Stone Archives to try and find it.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on September 12, 2013, 08:41:37 PM
The one I'm thinking of also had a thing on Brian's cars.

It's possible the 2000 one might be what I'm thinking of, and the 1998 piece was just the USA Today one.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 12, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
The one I'm thinking of also had a thing on Brian's cars.

It's possible the 2000 one might be what I'm thinking of, and the 1998 piece was just the USA Today one.

Yes, I remember the cars, too. Pretty sure that's the 2000-ish article.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: alf wiedersehen on September 12, 2013, 10:13:21 PM
So, I couldn't find the article in question.

But, I did find some other interesting stuff. Like a 1970 article written by Jack Rieley. Also, a Love You-era interview with a quote I love: "Now my escape is going to the gymnasium. There's nothing better to do with your time than go to the gym. I'm going to start lifting weights. I want to be toned."

And another fitting quote from an 80's article called "Was Brian Wilson Shanghaied?" where he says of his current situation "I don't know. It sure is weird."


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 13, 2013, 04:33:41 AM
There was an RS piece in 2000, when BW had briefly reunited with Andy and was working on some of the Paley sessions songs again. I remember that distinctly.



This would make sense timeline-wise...remember that Andy replaced Mike D'Amico in Brian's onstage band for most of 2001 and early 2002.  BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Dave Modny on September 13, 2013, 04:55:57 AM
BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 13, 2013, 08:54:56 PM
BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 13, 2013, 09:06:46 PM
BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.

Yep. Suit was filed in August of 99.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Dave Modny on September 13, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.

Yep. Suit was filed in August of 99.



Thanks to both of you -- really fascinating!

I'm trying to warp myself around and refresh my memory of the timeline, as it probably would've been sometime shortly after the Bridge Shows if it were, say, the fall of 1999, right? Any other evidence of studio material that may have been worked on with Was from around this time? Were the new vocals done at Mark Linett's studio or somewhere else?

Really looking forward to the sessionography as well.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Wirestone on September 13, 2013, 10:29:58 PM
I'm frankly surprised. There were never any reports that Brian was in the studio at the time. But it makes sense in retrospect, especially given that Paley was around again.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on September 14, 2013, 02:08:20 AM
And another fitting quote from an 80's article called "Was Brian Wilson Shanghaied?" where he says of his current situation "I don't know. It sure is weird."

That was early 1983, concerning his being flown to Hawaii late 1982 by Landy after the latter was rehired by BRI: the quote was in response to Carolyn Williams asking him to do something about her being evicted from the rental house they'd shared. Cross referencing with another thread, this is the single piece of BB history I'd go back and change, because the damage Landy did to Brian is still painfully evident today.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 14, 2013, 08:04:35 AM
And another fitting quote from an 80's article called "Was Brian Wilson Shanghaied?" where he says of his current situation "I don't know. It sure is weird."

That was early 1983, concerning his being flown to Hawaii late 1982 by Landy after the latter was rehired by BRI: the quote was in response to Carolyn Williams asking him to do something about her being evicted from the rental house they'd shared. Cross referencing with another thread, this is the single piece of BB history I'd go back and change, because the damage Landy did to Brian is still painfully evident today.

Assuming history could be changed in such a way that Brian still survived the 311-pound, chainsmoking mess he was at the time...


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: c-man on September 14, 2013, 08:09:49 AM
BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.

Yep. Suit was filed in August of 99.



Thanks to both of you -- really fascinating!

I'm trying to warp myself around and refresh my memory of the timeline, as it probably would've been sometime shortly after the Bridge Shows if it were, say, the fall of 1999, right? Any other evidence of studio material that may have been worked on with Was from around this time? Were the new vocals done at Mark Linett's studio or somewhere else?

Really looking forward to the sessionography as well.

Not after the Bridge School shows...earlier the same month.  And definitely not Linett's studio, as he apparently had no knowledge of the overdub until recently.


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: monicker on September 14, 2013, 10:02:04 AM
So...what year was it that the pitch correction was applied?  >:D


Title: Re: Question about Still A Mystery
Post by: Dave Modny on September 14, 2013, 12:08:10 PM
BTW, Brian's new lead vocal on "Still A Mystery" is from late 1999.

And there we have it. Wow...I would've pegged it as being even more recent than that. Wonders never cease!

So, I guess this was part of the aborted work that was to follow-up Imagination, and from which the applicable TWGMTR tracks also originated?

I don't think so...by late '99 Joe Thomas was gone...so Brian probably tried working with Don Was again.

Yep. Suit was filed in August of 99.



Thanks to both of you -- really fascinating!

I'm trying to warp myself around and refresh my memory of the timeline, as it probably would've been sometime shortly after the Bridge Shows if it were, say, the fall of 1999, right? Any other evidence of studio material that may have been worked on with Was from around this time? Were the new vocals done at Mark Linett's studio or somewhere else?

Really looking forward to the sessionography as well.

Not after the Bridge School shows...earlier the same month.  And definitely not Linett's studio, as he apparently had no knowledge of the overdub until recently.


Thanks again. Really fascinating stuff.