Title: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on July 08, 2013, 04:38:44 PM http://ultimateclassicrock.com/mike-love-wants-brian-wilson-in-beach-boys/
From the article; ”The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates and got extended to 73,” Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please.’ So once we finished those 73 shows, we went back to the lineup of the band before he rejoined.” WHAAAAAA??! Leave it to Brian to forget he did something like that. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Ted on July 08, 2013, 04:40:30 PM You'd think Mike might have mentioned this on one of the previous occasions when the subject came up...
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 04:44:53 PM Well, we've read all the posts from Mike apologists that the tour ended as planned. Not Mike is changing his story, no doubt because of all the bad press, that it was Brian who ended the tour.The plot thickens.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: LetHimRun on July 08, 2013, 04:48:09 PM Here we go. LOL
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 08, 2013, 04:49:42 PM What fresh hell is this?
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 08, 2013, 04:51:04 PM I guess its time for another round of BW/ML BBs power struggles.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: AndrewHickey on July 08, 2013, 04:51:54 PM Well, we've read all the posts from Mike apologists that the tour ended as planned. Not Mike is changing his story, no doubt because of all the bad press, that it was Brian who ended the tour.The plot thickens. Not so much changing his story as adding to it. Everything he says here is consistent with what's been said previously -- that they planned to do fifty dates, then extended it to 73, and it ended as planned after those 73. What he appears to be saying here (if he said it at all -- the Daily Star is not a reliable source) is that when they extended it to 73 dates, it was Brian who said that was the limit *at that point*. It's entirely possible that in May Brian thought that 73 dates would be the limit but in September he wanted to do more. Not making any judgement myself on the truth or otherwise of Mike's statements, just pointing out that he's not inconsistent for saying it. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on July 08, 2013, 04:54:00 PM Hopefully this doesn't turn into 70 pages of arguments and speculation, but it's pretty strange he's just now saying this.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: ontor pertawst on July 08, 2013, 04:55:48 PM He wanted to do more shows, but they had to be in a room.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 08, 2013, 04:57:16 PM What gives Mike the right to (un)invite BW into the BBs as ML pleases. Mike acts like he is the BBs and runs the group. (IMO)
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 05:03:18 PM Well, we've read all the posts from Mike apologists that the tour ended as planned. Not Mike is changing his story, no doubt because of all the bad press, that it was Brian who ended the tour.The plot thickens. Not so much changing his story as adding to it. Everything he says here is consistent with what's been said previously -- that they planned to do fifty dates, then extended it to 73, and it ended as planned after those 73. What he appears to be saying here (if he said it at all -- the Daily Star is not a reliable source) is that when they extended it to 73 dates, it was Brian who said that was the limit *at that point*. It's entirely possible that in May Brian thought that 73 dates would be the limit but in September he wanted to do more. Not making any judgement myself on the truth or otherwise of Mike's statements, just pointing out that he's not inconsistent for saying it. To quote this story,””The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates and got extended to 73,” Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please.’ Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jason on July 08, 2013, 05:04:07 PM This is exactly why the Brian Wilson wifeandmanagers promotional machine is not to be trusted.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 05:06:55 PM What gives Mike the right to (un)invite BW into the BBs as ML pleases. Mike acts like he is the BBs and runs the group. (IMO) The interview never actually quotes Mike saying he wants the band back together. He just gives his standard 'he and Brian alone in a room writing together' blurb.Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 05:09:39 PM This is exactly why the Brian Wilson wifeandmanagers promotional machine is not to be trusted. Exactly. They even have Stebbins putting out false propaganda to make Mike look the villian when it was actually Brian who broke up the C50. :lolTitle: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 08, 2013, 05:10:24 PM He wanted to do more shows, but they had to be in a room. loooooooooool Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 08, 2013, 05:12:17 PM This is exactly why the Brian Wilson wifeandmanagers promotional machine is not to be trusted. Because Mike Love could be misquoted by a low rent tabloid at any time? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: AndrewHickey on July 08, 2013, 05:17:44 PM Well, we've read all the posts from Mike apologists that the tour ended as planned. Not Mike is changing his story, no doubt because of all the bad press, that it was Brian who ended the tour.The plot thickens. Not so much changing his story as adding to it. Everything he says here is consistent with what's been said previously -- that they planned to do fifty dates, then extended it to 73, and it ended as planned after those 73. What he appears to be saying here (if he said it at all -- the Daily Star is not a reliable source) is that when they extended it to 73 dates, it was Brian who said that was the limit *at that point*. It's entirely possible that in May Brian thought that 73 dates would be the limit but in September he wanted to do more. Not making any judgement myself on the truth or otherwise of Mike's statements, just pointing out that he's not inconsistent for saying it. To quote this story,””The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates and got extended to 73,” Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please.’ Neither is actually inconsistent. I suspect this interview isn't accurate -- the Daily Star is the worst kind of tabloid -- but assume it is. Assume Stebbins' account is also correct. Then it's entirely possible that the situation was something like this: Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 05:28:57 PM Well, we've read all the posts from Mike apologists that the tour ended as planned. Not Mike is changing his story, no doubt because of all the bad press, that it was Brian who ended the tour.The plot thickens. Not so much changing his story as adding to it. Everything he says here is consistent with what's been said previously -- that they planned to do fifty dates, then extended it to 73, and it ended as planned after those 73. What he appears to be saying here (if he said it at all -- the Daily Star is not a reliable source) is that when they extended it to 73 dates, it was Brian who said that was the limit *at that point*. It's entirely possible that in May Brian thought that 73 dates would be the limit but in September he wanted to do more. Not making any judgement myself on the truth or otherwise of Mike's statements, just pointing out that he's not inconsistent for saying it. To quote this story,””The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates and got extended to 73,” Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please.’ Neither is actually inconsistent. I suspect this interview isn't accurate -- the Daily Star is the worst kind of tabloid -- but assume it is. Assume Stebbins' account is also correct. Then it's entirely possible that the situation was something like this: Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication. It will be interesting if Mike follows this up in future interviews. For sure the headline in this one is appparently not something Mike said. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: alf wiedersehen on July 08, 2013, 05:41:24 PM This article started here and kind of started to pop up everywhere else
http://www.tourdates.co.uk/news/23235-the-beach-boys-want-brian-wilson-back This seems like a really pointless article, nothing new is stated. It's just old news said in different words. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 05:52:21 PM This article started here and kind of started to pop up everywhere else Your linked story provides a little more detail. I disagree there is nothing new. http://www.tourdates.co.uk/news/23235-the-beach-boys-want-brian-wilson-back This seems like a really pointless article, nothing new is stated. It's just old news said in different words. Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please." That's new. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: oldsurferdude on July 08, 2013, 05:55:54 PM What gives Mike the right to (un)invite BW into the BBs as ML pleases. Mike acts like he is the BBs and runs the group. (IMO) It's all about total control, baby, as it always has been. Hope Brian sends him a packin'.Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 08, 2013, 05:59:19 PM But it also contradicts both Brian & Mike in the LA Times articles last year, closer to the fact - they both acknowledged that Brian wanted to continue? It makes no sense for Mike to play along with that when it makes him look bad - If this was true, he would have said it last year.
TBH, it originates from The Daily Star, a totally worthless publication. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a doctored quote. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: alf wiedersehen on July 08, 2013, 06:02:16 PM This article started here and kind of started to pop up everywhere else Your linked story provides a little more detail. I disagree there is nothing new. http://www.tourdates.co.uk/news/23235-the-beach-boys-want-brian-wilson-back This seems like a really pointless article, nothing new is stated. It's just old news said in different words. Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please." That's new. Yea, that's new. I forgot about that part. The ironic part about this article is that that bit of information isn't even the point of the article :P Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: RubberSoul13 on July 08, 2013, 06:27:17 PM So it still boils down to money. Obviously Mike had already booked the next few months for his beach boys show with Bruce in September so when Brian suddenly said "let's do some more!" it was just not financially feasible...something I doubt Brian comprehends.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 08, 2013, 06:37:00 PM So it still boils down to money. Obviously Mike had already booked the next few months for his beach boys show with Bruce in September so when Brian suddenly said "let's do some more!" it was just not financially feasible...something I doubt Brian comprehends. I disagree and fall back on the old adage of "If there is a will, there is a way". I think a compromise could've been reached financially speaking between all parties involved if a priority was put on keeping the C50 lineup intact. If that was of the utmost importance the fact that Mike had booked some M&B shows in advance could've been worked through between all of the parties involved but this was obviously not the case. Personally I'm not going to allow the issue of money to be used as an escape hatch in this instance because you could also easily argue whatever money might have been lost or compromised in that instance would've more than been made up with revenue generated from additional C50 dates at venues like MSG and Wrigley Field and possible revenue from a new record. There would've been more than enough money for all parties involved to go around if that was the direction the group chose to go. They didn't and it was likely due to reasons that had more to do with ego, personal preferences and discord between the parties involved. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 08, 2013, 06:40:37 PM So it still boils down to money. Obviously Mike had already booked the next few months for his beach boys show with Bruce in September so when Brian suddenly said "let's do some more!" it was just not financially feasible...something I doubt Brian comprehends. So then Brian said, "No more dates please"? The Mike/Bruce dates could have bern rescheduled; and some no doubt were when they extended from 50 to 73.Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 08, 2013, 06:51:52 PM Quote Neither is actually inconsistent. I suspect this interview isn't accurate -- the Daily Star is the worst kind of tabloid -- but assume it is. Assume Stebbins' account is also correct. Then it's entirely possible that the situation was something like this: Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication. Actually, that sounds about right. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on July 08, 2013, 08:02:21 PM He wanted to do more shows, but they had to be in a room. :lol You're a genius. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Tricycle Rider on July 08, 2013, 10:40:40 PM I'll be right back, I'm going to get some popcorn! :laugh:
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pretty Funky on July 08, 2013, 11:25:15 PM I'll be right back, I'm going to get some popcorn! :laugh: Why? This movie has had enough re-runs since September. I'll be dropping off the kids at the pool. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on July 08, 2013, 11:54:19 PM The Daily Star blames single-parent, benefit-scrounging, asylum-seeking, lefty Muslim homosexuals for EVERYTHING on a daily basis. It is a despicable rag. I wouldn't believe a single word you read in it. If this is the only source for Mike's comments then I'd ignore 'em until further notice.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: chris.metcalfe on July 09, 2013, 12:47:49 AM [ It's entirely possible that in May Brian thought that 73 dates would be the limit but in September he wanted to do more. Hopefully 73 years of age will be the limit. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jay on July 09, 2013, 01:01:44 AM Quote Neither is actually inconsistent. I suspect this interview isn't accurate -- the Daily Star is the worst kind of tabloid -- but assume it is. Assume Stebbins' account is also correct. Then it's entirely possible that the situation was something like this: Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication. Actually, that sounds about right. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 09, 2013, 01:02:21 AM I think this new quote from Mike bears out – perhaps even clarifies slightly - what's preceded it and illustrates that those who blame him for the end of the C50 tour have simply got the wrong end of the stick.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 01:16:57 AM I think this new quote from Mike bears out – perhaps even clarifies slightly - what's preceded it and illustrates that those who blame him for the end of the C50 tour have simply got the wrong end of the stick. Kinda weird, if the quote is accurate, that Mike floats out a new quote that contradicts previous statements from all parties. This will no doubt be a statement Love will have to walk back. Much like his statement of Mike bashing posts on Al's website that wasn't true. He has gotten such bad press for the end of the C50 that he is now trying to spin it. He has clearly stated in previous interviews that he ended the tour as agreed upon. Now he is saying Brian said no more shows. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 09, 2013, 01:26:49 AM I think this new quote from Mike bears out – perhaps even clarifies slightly - what's preceded it and illustrates that those who blame him for the end of the C50 tour have simply got the wrong end of the stick. Kinda weird, if the quote is accurate, that Mike floats out a new quote that contradicts previous statements from all parties. This will no doubt be a statement Love will have to walk back. Much like his statement of Mike bashing posts on Al's website that wasn't true. He has gotten such bad press for the end of the C50 that he is now trying to spin it. He has clearly stated in previous interviews that he ended the tour as agreed upon. Now he is saying Brian said no more shows. That's not how we all read it… but we're all different eh? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 02:14:41 AM I think this new quote from Mike bears out – perhaps even clarifies slightly - what's preceded it and illustrates that those who blame him for the end of the C50 tour have simply got the wrong end of the stick. Kinda weird, if the quote is accurate, that Mike floats out a new quote that contradicts previous statements from all parties. This will no doubt be a statement Love will have to walk back. Much like his statement of Mike bashing posts on Al's website that wasn't true. He has gotten such bad press for the end of the C50 that he is now trying to spin it. He has clearly stated in previous interviews that he ended the tour as agreed upon. Now he is saying Brian said no more shows. That's not how we all read it… but we're all different eh? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2013, 02:16:27 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline...
"Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 02:27:43 AM Jon Stebbins, who is as respected a historian as anyone here, posted several times that Mike ended the reunion. His posted about the shows and albums and deals that Mike left on the table. He cited friction between Brian and Mike's wives as one of the principal causes, although I'm sure there are others. It was clearly not as simple as a pre-existing end date. That was Mike's escape hatch, and he took it. Folks who, in the last few weeks, have constantly talked about the history and objective facts of this case have ignored Jon's posts on this subject, which were frank and evenhanded as they come. As for Mike Eder's post earlier ... I really think it's out of line to try to ask people who disagree with you to leave the board. Anyway, here's chapter and verse, from Mr. Stebbins, back in March: Quote The whole reason Mike left 30 additional C50 date offers on the table and walked away was he got tired of compromise and not being totally in charge. For the first time in decades he was not THE MAN on the Beach Boys tour. He had to defer to Brian's camp one too many times and he tired of it. His out was that the orig. C50 plan was a relatively modest 50 dates and one album, which he went above and beyond. And although the public, the promoters, and Brian, Al and David wanted to continue because the whole thing had reached a level of popularity and success that was far beyond the orig. projection...and the demand was only growing...Mike wanted his independence, and his lean and profitable operation back... which includes playing corporate shows etc...and which included a bunch of guys that were not employed by the C50 tour including his son. Quote personally I don't think its kissing ass...I called it compromise...and deference...and Mike does not like either at this stage of his life. The C50 tour/album etc... is comparatively modest compared to what was left on the table. That's what I meant by modest. Capitol Records gave Mike no significant guaranteed money for C50...again the guaranteed $$$ came from Joe Thomas's business model, backers and organization. Mike definitely burned out on not being in charge and calling all the shots...you are right about that. Quote At least 30 more C50 shows, another studio album, a bunch more high profile TV appearances etc... But I would not term it as Mike "turning them down"...I would say the prospect of these things were left on the table because they were never negotiated beyond the offer stage due to Mike's preference to return to his normal business model. Quote the bittersweet part is that it might have gone on longer. But in reality we got more than anyone ever thought possible. The whole theory about whether Mike wanted to do business with Joe Thomas or if Capitol was whatever...I'm not privy to any details. I can guarantee this...if Melinda and Jacqueline were in sync and wanting the same thing they would all be working together still. They were the glue that kept things together while it lasted. After reading that, and Mike's comments on the subject, and Brian and Al's, I think it's possible to draw conclusions about the personalities and motives involved. Many people here have done that. And they're not being haters -- on either side, really. It's just another chapter in a history of a bunch of guys who love each other but can't stand each other at the same time. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 02:33:41 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline... "Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." Sounds perfectly plausible. 'Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please." Seems Mike is using this statement out of context if true. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 09, 2013, 02:47:02 AM 'ere we go again…
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 03:08:15 AM 'ere we go again… Nah. Andrew's timeline sounds good. It's just rock and roll. One thing you can say for sure, this band keeps things interesting. Cheers!Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 09, 2013, 03:25:04 AM I think this new quote from Mike bears out – perhaps even clarifies slightly - what's preceded it and illustrates that those who blame him for the end of the C50 tour have simply got the wrong end of the stick. If you mean by "wrong end of the stick" that Brian and his party are the only ones to blame, then I disagree. If not, ignore the last phrase. AndrewH's timeline is a plausible assumption to me too. It's all about total control, baby, as it always has been. That's true. Brian has always been a control freak. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: MBE on July 09, 2013, 03:44:59 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline... Thanks AGD I remembered Mike talked about in June, just didn't remember where."Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 09, 2013, 03:45:30 AM 'ere we go again… Nah. Andrew's timeline sounds good. It's just rock and roll. One thing you can say for sure, this band keeps things interesting. Cheers!What happened to Fake Beard?????? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 03:49:16 AM 'ere we go again… Nah. Andrew's timeline sounds good. It's just rock and roll. One thing you can say for sure, this band keeps things interesting. Cheers!What happened to Fake Beard?????? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 09, 2013, 04:05:22 AM 'ere we go again… Nah. Andrew's timeline sounds good. It's just rock and roll. One thing you can say for sure, this band keeps things interesting. Cheers!What happened to Fake Beard?????? Y'll go blind… Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: MBE on July 09, 2013, 04:08:21 AM Facebook post The Beach Boys 50th Anniversary ReUnion Tour Where there's smoke there's fire... This is how the 50th started to happen... Stay tuned folks cross your fingers. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 04:12:18 AM 'ere we go again… Nah. Andrew's timeline sounds good. It's just rock and roll. One thing you can say for sure, this band keeps things interesting. Cheers!What happened to Fake Beard?????? Y'll go blind… Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Amy B. on July 09, 2013, 04:45:53 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline... "Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." This sounds plausible. And it's more than likely that all the things said in the above scenario were said through managers (and the press), so it's telephone. Words twisted, tones misinterpreted, and you end up with Brian thinking Mike is to blame and Mike thinking Brian is to blame. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: MBE on July 09, 2013, 04:57:45 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline... "Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." This sounds plausible. And it's more than likely that all the things said in the above scenario were said through managers (and the press), so it's telephone. Words twisted, tones misinterpreted, and you end up with Brian thinking Mike is to blame and Mike thinking Brian is to blame. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 09, 2013, 05:41:25 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline... "Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." This sounds plausible. And it's more than likely that all the things said in the above scenario were said through managers (and the press), so it's telephone. Words twisted, tones misinterpreted, and you end up with Brian thinking Mike is to blame and Mike thinking Brian is to blame. IF the quote turns out to be accurate, I agree with everyone who agrees. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pretty Funky on July 09, 2013, 10:56:35 AM If I may slightly amend Mr. Hickey's timeline... "Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. late June -- Mike states in Rolling Stone he's booked post-C50 dates with his band. Brian expresses surprise (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/mike-love-books-beach-boys-shows-without-brian-wilson-20120626)) Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" (evidently having forgotten what he'd said three months previously) End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication." May I also add that late in the C50 Brian had his back procedure/ surgery. This could have been a show-stopper and alarm bells must have rung when that was announced to the band. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Generation42 on July 09, 2013, 11:23:46 AM Neither is actually inconsistent. I suspect this interview isn't accurate -- the Daily Star is the worst kind of tabloid -- but assume it is. Assume Stebbins' account is also correct. Then it's entirely possible that the situation was something like this: Assuming that the Daily Star, along with the quotes from Michael, Brian and Al's respective 'camps' are all accurate, then this scenario of yours, Andrew, seems entirely plausible to me, too.Februaryish (can't remember the exact dates, but call it that) -- initial fifty date tour announced Aprilish -- Tour starts. Brian's not having a wonderful time, with his bad back and so on, but there are all these other places -- Japan, Australia, the UK -- that want dates. Brian also knows that his band members have other commitments. Maybe he knows that his own health won't hold up for much longer if he plays many more shows. So when the idea of more dates comes up, Brian says "OK, but that's *it*, then. The tour has to end by the end of September". He might not mean to be ruling out any *future* tours -- but *that* tour has to end by the end of September. Mike, hearing this as the final end date for the reunion, says "OK" and starts booking dates for the Mike & Bruce band. Septemberish -- offers start coming in for even more shows. Brian's having a great time, and wants to book some more shows, maybe a winter tour or shows in the new year or something. Mike says "What? I've got all these shows booked with my own band now! We agreed the end of September was the end!", while Brian says "Hang on, six months ago *you* were trying to persuade *me* to do more shows! Now you're going to tour without me again?!" End result -- both men think the other one was the reason the tour ended, and both are right. Note, I'm *NOT* saying this is what happened -- I see no reason to believe a single word of anything in the Star -- but it seems consistent to me, and doesn't require any assumptions of malice or bad faith on anyone's part, just bad communication. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Menace Wilson on July 09, 2013, 11:29:49 AM But then why did Love wait until now to say anything about it?
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: ontor pertawst on July 09, 2013, 11:40:23 AM Because he's a Beethoven-grade egomaniac, to use the parlance of our times.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on July 09, 2013, 12:19:04 PM Because he's a Beethoven-grade egomaniac, to use the parlance of our times. Don't diss Louie Van B you....you.... tractor Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 01:11:30 PM MIKE LOVE SPILLS THE BEANS ON LATEST BEACH BOYS SPLIT
http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=2001279 A more fleshed out story. But someone's PR machine has not been honest through this. Have Brian and Al duped us or is Mike spinning the facts around? Mike Love spoke to England's Daily Star and took Brian Wilson to task for his piece in The Los Angles Times, which insinuated that he, Jardine, and Marks felt as though Love fired them from being Beach Boys when Love chose his road band to represent the living legends on tour: "I don't know how that (firing) controversy started. I'd love to work with Brian again. The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates, and got extended to 73. At that point, Brian said: 'No more dates for us, please.' So once we finished those 73 shows we went back to the line-up of the band before he rejoined. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jason on July 09, 2013, 01:13:45 PM Well, sounds like the Brian Wilson wifeandmanagers promotional team has some 'splainin to do.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 01:21:38 PM Well, sounds like the Brian Wilson wifeandmanagers promotional team has some 'splainin to do. Yeah. This is getting traction in the news feeds. I have criticized Mike over the C50 split. If it was Brian, I owe the Luvster a big apology.Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2013, 01:22:11 PM Well... here's my take, simplistic as it may be: if Mike's statement is questionable, then Brian's camp will rightly question it, publicly... and if it's accurate, they won't. There may be a third option but for the life of me I can't think of one.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 09, 2013, 01:25:15 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: lostbeachboy on July 09, 2013, 01:25:26 PM Jeeeezus! These guys just need to shut the f*** up! I'm sure a lot of fans including myself are sick and tired of this he said this, he said that crap. Either stay together as a group (that's all 5 of them) and do what you do best which is make great f***ing music. Or don't. There pissing all over there great legacy.. Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Alan Jardine, Bruce Johnston & David Marks ARE the beach boys. And if you wanna get technical so are Blondie Chaplin and Ricky Fataar.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jason on July 09, 2013, 01:34:25 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers. Nope. Just like Smile, Brian killed the 50th Anniversary Tour. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Menace Wilson on July 09, 2013, 01:48:47 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers. Nope. Just like Smile, Brian killed the 50th Anniversary Tour. :lol You really know how to hurt a guy. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Wirestone on July 09, 2013, 01:55:54 PM I would say that if this quote has any accuracy in it, Mike would have mentioned it before now, rather than go with the explanation he has otherwise consistently given (the tour ran its course, etc., etc.). This puts him in a much more positive light.
Regardless, I'm sure all of the principals will be asked to elaborate on this in interview after interview in the months and years to come. We'll all learn more than we care to know (Al was probably having a secret affair with some backing band member -- but which one???). ---------- The other thing we should note -- Melinda has said repeatedly that Brian changes his mind often about touring. One day he'll tell her that he's retired, that he doesn't want to go out anymore. Then the next day, he'll ask when the band is playing next. Just a bit of context. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Shady on July 09, 2013, 02:34:29 PM Everyone's lying
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 09, 2013, 02:53:44 PM (Al was probably having a secret affair with some backing band member -- but which one???). :lol Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: leggo of my ego on July 09, 2013, 02:55:11 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers. Love is going senile? As usual with the Beach Boys its SNAFU. :lol Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jim V. on July 09, 2013, 02:55:28 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers. Nope. Just like Smile, Brian killed the 50th Anniversary Tour. And Mike killed any future band activity. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 09, 2013, 03:15:57 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers. There might've been, as was posted on this board, an offer for a new album on the table. But before such an album would come to fruition, I have a feeling a lot of negotiating would've had to take place before the deal was finalized. We now know that Mike had/has some serious - repeat serious - issues that he wanted worked out. I don't have to tell you, SMiLE Brian (but I will anyway ;D), that Brian could say something one day and say something totally different the next. Yes, there were probably some more potential Beach Boys' songs on the infamous Wilson/Thomas tapes, and Brian might've blurted out in an interview that he was up for another BB album...There's just too much that would have to be worked out; it could never be a slam dunk, just because Brian Wilson was open to it one particular day. As far as Mike's recent quote stating that Brian was also agreeable in ending the reunion tour...I know it's difficult because of people's biases, but try to look at it with some common sense (I know that's a dangerous practice when dealing with The Beach Boys :police:). You have to ask yourself if you think Mike was lying and Brian didn't intimate to him that he was ready to pack it in. I have posted several times that all of the Beach Boys are full of sh*t, but I not only believe that Brian said those things to Mike, I EXPECTED Brian to want to wrap up the tour - much earlier than they actually did. A little more common sense...Brian was a 70 year old man with an aching back. He hasn't done a 70 date tour since, when, 1964? He was probably mentally and physically exhausted. Do you think Brian wanted to continue the hour long soundchecks? I couldn't tell if he was awake or asleep at the soundcheck I attended. Do you think he wanted to sit and pose and smile for 200 fans for an hour BEFORE the show? Do you think he enjoyed forcing himself to play the piano and singing "oohs, ahs, doo-doos, and dit-dits" to 30+ songs a night? Do you think Brian got along with Mike, so much so that he wanted to spend MORE time with him? Brian was the good soldier and he did do all of those above things. He didn't miss a show. I'm not sure he missed a song. But, there were some things posted about the impact of Brian and Mike's wives. There is probably some truth to that - whatever their impact was. Do you ever get the feeling that Melinda might've been the one (on Brian's side) behind the tour being extended, or expressing disappointment when it ended. Do you really believe that Brian wanted to go past 70 shows, maybe up to 100, maybe have to spend a few more months with Mike Love, maybe more time recording with him? Or, do you believe Brian was relieved when the tour ended, mentally and physically relieved, so he could go home to be with his kids, in the comforts of his home, with his daily trips to his favorite deli, so he could lay on his couch and listen to his oldies radio station, so he could record a solo album on his own terms? Don't you really think that Brian was relieved, I guess you'd have to say secretly relieved, when the reunion tour ended after 70 shows? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: leggo of my ego on July 09, 2013, 03:26:58 PM Wouldn't the group be together if Brian ended the tour? Brian wanted to make a new BBs album before C50 ended. All of Mike's complaints the last few months add up to a man not happy with C50. Even Jon Stebbins said Mike rejected further C50 offers. Nope. Just like Smile, Brian killed the 50th Anniversary Tour. And Mike killed any future band activity. and Michael killed his credibility a long long time ago. Brian is still just "not right" so he gets a pass. ;D You have to admit there is never a dull moment in BB's land. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Wirestone on July 09, 2013, 03:27:28 PM Brian was really into some of the shows. Some of them, he wasn't. There were big breaks between blocks of shows, so it's not like he was overly taxed. Ray Lawlor, who is a close personal friend of Brian's, talked about how much fun Brian was having. I'm also sure that wasn't true 100 percent of the time.
Regardless, the question has never been whether Brian would take on a Mike-style touring load. I think most people knew that wasn't in the cards. The question was whether or not the five principals would keep working as a unit in some capacity. And there was abundant precedent for that, too -- basically for all of the 1980s, Brian was stll part of the band and played various shows with them, but also did stuff on his own for extended periods. The total dismantling of the C50 edifice -- no future album, no future tours, no more promo of the full group -- that was the issue. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 09, 2013, 03:28:31 PM Great post Sheriff, BW did have some more wear and tear by the end of the tour. But the man at the UK shows was no worn out figure, he was happy and performing at 100%. BW measures his career and life by success, why would he walk away from the momentum of a number 3 album and offers for more BBs albums? He was in a groove by the end of C50 and wanted more in my opinion.
Brian wanted to right the BBs ship and almost complety did before M&B wanted their way.... Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2013, 03:38:18 PM Great post Sheriff, BW did have some more wear and tear by the end of the tour. But the man at the UK shows was no worn out figure, he was happy and performing at 100%. BW measures his career and life by success, why would he walk away from the momentum of a number 3 album and offers for more BBs albums? He was in a groove by the end of C50 and wanted more in my opinion. Brian wanted to right the BBs ship and almost complety did before M&B wanted their way.... Reason for that could very well have been the three week break between the last Australian date (9/2) and the London shows (9/27 & 9/28), not to mention knowing it would be the final dates. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 09, 2013, 03:42:49 PM The total dismantling of the C50 edifice -- no future album, no future tours, no more promo of the full group -- that was the issue. Dismantling of the C50 edifice? There is an assumption, one that I don't necessarily buy into, that if the C50 tour was extended a second time, maybe up to 100 shows, and MUTUALLY ended at that time, that everything would've been just fine moving forward, with more tours and more albums and more working together. An additional 30 shows and "some mutual agreement" as to when the reunion tour ended doesn't even remotely suggest that the C50 group could or would continue as The Beach Boys - in any form. As a fan of The Beach Boys for almost 40 years, I don't see it being that simple. Yes, feelings might've less acrimonious then they appear to be now, but things were and will never be that simple in the world of The Beach Boys. Negotiations for another tour (of any length) and another album and being "The Beach Boys again" would've eventually reverted to how they've always been. Mike would be Mike and Brian would be Brian and no mutual ending of the C50 tour was gonna change that. In my opinion, of course... :police: Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 09, 2013, 03:44:32 PM Mike Love ate my hamster.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 03:50:58 PM Forget Brian for a second, this statement from Mike flies in the face of Al's recent comments:
http://www.theticker.tc/story/q-a-with-beach-boys-guitarist-al-jardine Fact is somebody (s) is spinning the truth here, that is for sure. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Shady on July 09, 2013, 03:52:59 PM Maybe this is all PR for a big tour next summer
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 09, 2013, 03:55:32 PM BW measures his career and life by success, why would he walk away from the momentum of a number 3 album and offers for more BBs albums? It appears that Mike was not happy with the recording process of TWGMTR, specifically his lack of input and his lack of working directly with Brian. It appears that Mike will not allow that to happen again, even if it means forfeiting another Beach Boys album. Even if the reunion tour would've ended on a mutually positive note, those issues with Mike would've still been present. Yeah, they might've had Thanksgiving dinner together, but when it came time to get to the negotiations for a new album, I don't think the positivity of the C50 tour would've carried over or made the negotiations less contentious. Mike wants it his way and Brian has to have it his way, no matter how many shows they played together in 2012. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 09, 2013, 04:01:35 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. If he isn't happy with that, I guess the only way he would be satisfied is a SIP type situation where he is the BBs. I really don't understand how his ego convinced him he has to control the group 100%.
I would think he would learn from his mistakes of 1985 to 1998 of ruining the band's reputation under his management. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Heysaboda on July 09, 2013, 04:02:42 PM "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/ed/Nurse_Ratched.jpg/300px-Nurse_Ratched.jpg) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2013, 04:04:45 PM Mike Love ate my hamster. Think not - he's a vegetarian. ;D Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 09, 2013, 04:08:22 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. A ton ? I make that three. Brian got the majority of leads, the majority of the songs, Thomas with a finger in just about every pie and, on tour, his entire backing band. That's what I'd call a ton. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Mike's Beard on July 09, 2013, 04:10:08 PM It's hard to take anything printed in the toliet paper that is The Daily Star as gospel. Count me as skeptical. Still, if it turns out correct that it was Brian who pulled the plug on any more concerts before changing his mind back again it's going to make for very interesting reading as all the Myke bashers attempt to justify his actions as they undoubtedly will.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 09, 2013, 04:11:07 PM Forget Brian for a second, this statement from Mike flies in the face of Al's recent comments: http://www.theticker.tc/story/q-a-with-beach-boys-guitarist-al-jardine Fact is somebody (s) is spinning the truth here, that is for sure. How come nobody is tearing Al apart over this thing? Brian and I this and Brian and I that and we're the heart and soul blah blah blah. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 09, 2013, 04:12:25 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. If he isn't happy with that, I guess the only way he would be satisfied is a SIP type situation where he is the BBs. I really don't understand how his ego convinced him he has to control the group 100%. I would think he would learn from his mistakes of 1985 to 1998 of ruining the band's reputation under his management. You're bringing up a lot of issues, they all deserve their own thread, and I don't have the energy to debate them all (my back is killing me sitting here at the computer :police:). But, I will say this. Maybe Mike got a ton of concessions on TWGMTR, maybe he does want an SIP situation where he is the BBs, and maybe his ego is out of control. But, that's kind of my point. A mutually ended C50 reunion tour wasn't gonna change all of that. Yes, Mike and Brian (and the rest of the guys) might've walked off into the Christmas holiday season hand-in-hand with smiles on their faces singing "Joy To The World". But I guarantee you as soon as negotiations started for another tour or another album, it wouldn't take very long for those warm fuzzies to disappear - and for Mike to be Mike and Brian to be Brian - along with all the old baggage. But, hey, that's just my opinion. I know there are differing opinions... Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 09, 2013, 04:24:07 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. If he isn't happy with that, I guess the only way he would be satisfied is a SIP type situation where he is the BBs. I really don't understand how his ego convinced him he has to control the group 100%. I would think he would learn from his mistakes of 1985 to 1998 of ruining the band's reputation under his management. It's a concession to get your music on your own album? The only way? So far there hasn't been anything about control [he conceded control], he just wants to write together with his cousin. His mistakes? Was he the only one in the band at the time? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Heysaboda on July 09, 2013, 04:27:17 PM Sounds perfectly plausible. 'Love explained. “At that point, Brian said, ‘No more dates for us, please." Seems Mike is using this statement out of context if true. Maybe Brian really meant these dates: (http://www.hadleyfruitorchards.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/product/medjool-dates-jumbo.png) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Nicko1234 on July 09, 2013, 04:36:30 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. A ton ? I make that three. Brian got the majority of leads, the majority of the songs, Thomas with a finger in just about every pie and, on tour, his entire backing band. That's what I'd call a ton. Well indeed. There was obviously some compromise on all sides with C50 but I would say that it was 80% based on what Brian wanted, 19% based on what Mike wanted and 1% shared between the other 3 guys. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cyncie on July 09, 2013, 04:41:21 PM Things aren't ever going to be 1965 again, no matter what the C50 PR machine said. There is way too much water under the bridge for that. For things to go forward, all parties have to agree to work in 2013's reality. In that reality, Mike hasn't had to make too much of a concession to anyone and has successfully toured the band on his own. In that reality, Brian is no longer a one man hit machine. He's a damaged person whose participation requires (and I do think he requires) a support system to run interference for him. In that reality, original Beach Boys Al and David have to depend on the others to get a foot in the door, while Bruce is attached to Mike at the hip. And, in that reality, there will be other people assisting with production and song writing, because that's the system Brian uses to create now.
So, no matter how much Mike or the fans want a return to the fun, fun, fun days of the early Beach Boys collaborations, it's not the sixties. When all of the parties realize that and find a way to go forward in the new reality, we might see another album and maybe even a tour. But, not until. And, before anyone says it can't happen... well, we didn't think C50 could happen, either. But, it did. So, Mike might have to agree to work with Brian PLUS whomever Brian trusts to help with the studio work. Brian might have to agree to trim back the entourage. Keep his most trusted musician/supporters by his side, give the rest a break and be a little more accessible. Al and David will still be on the outside looking in, and Bruce will still be Mike's cheerleader. But, if Mike and Brian could just accept this new reality, things could go forward. Sail On, Sailor. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 09, 2013, 05:17:04 PM Maybe this is all PR for a big tour next summer WAIT I GOT IT!!! ======================= IN 1967 HE STOMPED SMiLE! IN 2012 HE STOMPED THE REUNION IN 2014 MIKE LOVE IS STOMPING TOWARDS YOUR TOWN WITH HIS STAR STUDDED BEACH BOYS LINEUP *Cue Surfin' Safari* "Lets go Surfin now..." MIKE LOVE: GOIN TO THE BEACH WITH MY BAY-BEEEEEEE. HOLDING HER LITTLE HAND IN MINE. GOIN' TO THE BEACH WITH MY BAY-BEEEEEEEEEE, HOT FUN IN THE SUMMERTIME AL JARDINE: I WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST GET ALONG! BRIAN WILSON: NO MORE REUNIONS NO I DON'T THINK SO. GOIN' TO THE BEACH? THERE'S A LOT OF LOVE IN THAT SONG. A LOT OF MIKE LOVE! DAVID MARKS: (cue random quote from Admiral Stockdale) WITNESS FIRST HAND THE DRAMA, THE PATHOS, THE PAGEANTRY OF THE ENDLESS SUMMER THAT REFUSED TO END. BRUCE JOHNSTON: GET THE (pushes camera out of the way) THIS INTERVIEW IS OVER! THE BEACH BOYS AS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE IN 2014 (may contain slight traces of John Stamos) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: oldsurferdude on July 09, 2013, 05:42:55 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. A ton ? I make that three. Brian got the majority of leads, the majority of the songs, Thomas with a finger in just about every pie and, on tour, his entire backing band. That's what I'd call a ton. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Wirestone on July 09, 2013, 05:50:54 PM Things aren't ever going to be 1965 again, no matter what the C50 PR machine said. There is way too much water under the bridge for that. For things to go forward, all parties have to agree to work in 2013's reality. In that reality, Mike hasn't had to make too much of a concession to anyone and has successfully toured the band on his own. In that reality, Brian is no longer a one man hit machine. He's a damaged person whose participation requires (and I do think he requires) a support system to run interference for him. In that reality, original Beach Boys Al and David have to depend on the others to get a foot in the door, while Bruce is attached to Mike at the hip. And, in that reality, there will be other people assisting with production and song writing, because that's the system Brian uses to create now. So, no matter how much Mike or the fans want a return to the fun, fun, fun days of the early Beach Boys collaborations, it's not the sixties. When all of the parties realize that and find a way to go forward in the new reality, we might see another album and maybe even a tour. But, not until. And, before anyone says it can't happen... well, we didn't think C50 could happen, either. But, it did. So, Mike might have to agree to work with Brian PLUS whomever Brian trusts to help with the studio work. Brian might have to agree to trim back the entourage. Keep his most trusted musician/supporters by his side, give the rest a break and be a little more accessible. Al and David will still be on the outside looking in, and Bruce will still be Mike's cheerleader. But, if Mike and Brian could just accept this new reality, things could go forward. Sail On, Sailor. This strikes me as quite succinct and accurate. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 09, 2013, 06:00:56 PM Things aren't ever going to be 1965 again, no matter what the C50 PR machine said. There is way too much water under the bridge for that. For things to go forward, all parties have to agree to work in 2013's reality. In that reality, Mike hasn't had to make too much of a concession to anyone and has successfully toured the band on his own. In that reality, Brian is no longer a one man hit machine. He's a damaged person whose participation requires (and I do think he requires) a support system to run interference for him. In that reality, original Beach Boys Al and David have to depend on the others to get a foot in the door, while Bruce is attached to Mike at the hip. And, in that reality, there will be other people assisting with production and song writing, because that's the system Brian uses to create now. So, no matter how much Mike or the fans want a return to the fun, fun, fun days of the early Beach Boys collaborations, it's not the sixties. When all of the parties realize that and find a way to go forward in the new reality, we might see another album and maybe even a tour. But, not until. And, before anyone says it can't happen... well, we didn't think C50 could happen, either. But, it did. So, Mike might have to agree to work with Brian PLUS whomever Brian trusts to help with the studio work. Brian might have to agree to trim back the entourage. Keep his most trusted musician/supporters by his side, give the rest a break and be a little more accessible. Al and David will still be on the outside looking in, and Bruce will still be Mike's cheerleader. But, if Mike and Brian could just accept this new reality, things could go forward. Sail On, Sailor. It's still not unreasonable or undoable or an outlandish desire to want to sit down with your own cousin and write some songs. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: leggo of my ego on July 09, 2013, 06:09:13 PM Maybe this is all PR for a big tour next summer WAIT I GOT IT!!! ======================= IN 1967 HE STOMPED SMiLE! IN 2012 HE STOMPED THE REUNION IN 2014 MIKE LOVE IS STOMPING TOWARDS YOUR TOWN WITH HIS STAR STUDDED BEACH BOYS LINEUP *Cue Surfin' Safari* "Lets go Surfin now..." MIKE LOVE: GOIN TO THE BEACH WITH MY BAY-BEEEEEEE. HOLDING HER LITTLE HAND IN MINE. GOIN' TO THE BEACH WITH MY BAY-BEEEEEEEEEE, HOT FUN IN THE SUMMERTIME AL JARDINE: I WISH EVERYONE WOULD JUST GET ALONG! BRIAN WILSON: NO MORE REUNIONS NO I DON'T THINK SO. GOIN' TO THE BEACH? THERE'S A LOT OF LOVE IN THAT SONG. A LOT OF MIKE LOVE! DAVID MARKS: (cue random quote from Admiral Stockdale) WITNESS FIRST HAND THE DRAMA, THE PATHOS, THE PAGEANTRY OF THE ENDLESS SUMMER THAT REFUSED TO END. BRUCE JOHNSTON: GET THE (pushes camera out of the way) THIS INTERVIEW IS OVER! THE BEACH BOYS AS YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THEM BEFORE IN 2014 (may contain slight traces of John Stamos) Whew! thanks for the disclaimer Im allergic to nuts like Stamos! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cyncie on July 09, 2013, 06:12:44 PM Things aren't ever going to be 1965 again, no matter what the C50 PR machine said. There is way too much water under the bridge for that. For things to go forward, all parties have to agree to work in 2013's reality. In that reality, Mike hasn't had to make too much of a concession to anyone and has successfully toured the band on his own. In that reality, Brian is no longer a one man hit machine. He's a damaged person whose participation requires (and I do think he requires) a support system to run interference for him. In that reality, original Beach Boys Al and David have to depend on the others to get a foot in the door, while Bruce is attached to Mike at the hip. And, in that reality, there will be other people assisting with production and song writing, because that's the system Brian uses to create now. So, no matter how much Mike or the fans want a return to the fun, fun, fun days of the early Beach Boys collaborations, it's not the sixties. When all of the parties realize that and find a way to go forward in the new reality, we might see another album and maybe even a tour. But, not until. And, before anyone says it can't happen... well, we didn't think C50 could happen, either. But, it did. So, Mike might have to agree to work with Brian PLUS whomever Brian trusts to help with the studio work. Brian might have to agree to trim back the entourage. Keep his most trusted musician/supporters by his side, give the rest a break and be a little more accessible. Al and David will still be on the outside looking in, and Bruce will still be Mike's cheerleader. But, if Mike and Brian could just accept this new reality, things could go forward. Sail On, Sailor. It's still not unreasonable or undoable or an outlandish desire to want to sit down with your own cousin and write some songs. No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: HeyJude on July 09, 2013, 06:16:25 PM Forget Brian for a second, this statement from Mike flies in the face of Al's recent comments: http://www.theticker.tc/story/q-a-with-beach-boys-guitarist-al-jardine Fact is somebody (s) is spinning the truth here, that is for sure. How come nobody is tearing Al apart over this thing? Brian and I this and Brian and I that and we're the heart and soul blah blah blah. Despite the various ways to spin it, until this recent alleged comment from Mike about Brian ending the reunion tour, everybody including Mike, Brian, and Al have agreed that it was Mike that chose not to continue the reunion. What's to tear Al apart over? That he's painting a picture now of he and Brian? I don't get it. I know you've had it in for Al for at least 15 years now, to the exclusion of criticizing Mike or Mike's actions, but what in the world should we "tear Al apart" over? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: HeyJude on July 09, 2013, 06:20:11 PM Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. A ton ? I make that three. Brian got the majority of leads, the majority of the songs, Thomas with a finger in just about every pie and, on tour, his entire backing band. That's what I'd call a ton. That seems to presuppose that Mike and Brian should have equal input into all of those aspects; songwriting, choosing musicians, and so on. Brian's input and quality of contributions to the band over the entire history of the band, not to mention his output in recent years, would seem to indicate he should get the majority of concessions in this regard. If we're simply talking about giving everybody equal say for equality's sake, or at least in a corporate or legal sense, then Al should be even more pissed since he got zero input into much of anything on the tour other than a few lead spots on the album written by others, and getting to sing leads in concert as he has on every Beach Boys tour. He didn' t get a single one of his "guys" into the touring band, he's he one who was talking about "asking" Mike to add songs to the setlist, he didn't even get his one "token" song on the album like Mike did. How come Al isn't whining about Joe Thomas and Brian taking the album over, even when, as related in the "Rolling Stone" article, Brian directly rejected Al's contribution to the album? I'm guessing Al is seeing the bigger picture, not just getting his equal share or this or that. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Nicko1234 on July 09, 2013, 06:34:52 PM That seems to presuppose that Mike and Brian should have equal input into all of those aspects; songwriting, choosing musicians, and so on. Brian's input and quality of contributions to the band over the entire history of the band, not to mention his output in recent years, would seem to indicate he should get the majority of concessions in this regard. If we're simply talking about giving everybody equal say for equality's sake, or at least in a corporate or legal sense, then Al should be even more pissed since he got zero input into much of anything on the tour other than a few lead spots on the album written by others, and getting to sing leads in concert as he has on every Beach Boys tour. He didn' t get a single one of his "guys" into the touring band, he's he one who was talking about "asking" Mike to add songs to the setlist, he didn't even get his one "token" song on the album like Mike did. How come Al isn't whining about Joe Thomas and Brian taking the album over, even when, as related in the "Rolling Stone" article, Brian directly rejected Al's contribution to the album? I'm guessing Al is seeing the bigger picture, not just getting his equal share or this or that. All of those comments ignore the fact that these guys are human beings... Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Wirestone on July 09, 2013, 06:44:51 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 09, 2013, 06:45:53 PM How come Al isn't whining about Joe Thomas and Brian taking the album over, even when, as related in the "Rolling Stone" article, Brian directly rejected Al's contribution to the album? Because Al wants a job, and because he wants to be in the presence of Brian Wilson, no matter what. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jim V. on July 09, 2013, 06:50:55 PM So I was thinking about this while working out, and it occurred to me: Brian probably did say "no more dates please" or whatever. And indeed he probably said that at the end of the tour. And he probably meant that in terms of going and playing a bunch of dates that fall. But I bet he was all in to do some Christmas or New Years things. In fact, I'm pretty sure he mentioned something like that in his letter to the LA Times or whoever.
And I'm also pretty sure he really did wanna make another Beach Boys album. We have to take what he said at face value, and more than once he said he wanted to make another album with "the boys" and I'm assuming by "the boys" he didn't mean Darian and Scott, but The Beach Boys. So yeah Brian probably was pooped after the touring from last spring/summer. But I think he woulda been fine doing some more Beach Boys stuff late in '12 and probably woulda been working on a Beach Boys album this year rather than a solo album if Mike woulda went along with it. I also agree with HeyJude about Al. He does kinda get the short end of the stick overall. And whenever Mike mentions the group he only mentions him and Brian for some reason, as though Al's presence doesn't really matter. Even though he has the third BRI vote. How come Al isn't whining about Joe Thomas and Brian taking the album over, even when, as related in the "Rolling Stone" article, Brian directly rejected Al's contribution to the album? Because Al wants a job, and because he wants to be in the presence of Brian Wilson, no matter what. And if I'd had a great career, and was good friends with Brian Wilson, who already had made me world famous, and he wanted to hang with me and make some music, I'd probably do it to, with a lot of time to do other stuff too. Unfortunately Mike doesn't want that. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 09, 2013, 06:55:26 PM How come Al isn't whining about Joe Thomas and Brian taking the album over, even when, as related in the "Rolling Stone" article, Brian directly rejected Al's contribution to the album? Because Al wants a job, and because he wants to be in the presence of Brian Wilson, no matter what. And if I'd had a great career, and was good friends with Brian Wilson, who already had made me world famous, and he wanted to hang with me and make some music, I'd probably do it to, with a lot of time to do other stuff too. I'd probably do it, too. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 09, 2013, 06:59:18 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please. It's not unreasonable even if you are Brian Wilson. Brian's not a child. Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him, some of the people around Brian are probably the people he doesn't need around him. Mike does try to fit Brian's model and that cuts both ways, Brian needs to try to fit Mike's, et Al's model. He's not some deity, immune from common courtesies and decencies. Jeez Louise. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cyncie on July 09, 2013, 07:10:50 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please. It's not unreasonable even if you are Brian Wilson. Brian's not a child. Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him, some of the people around Brian are probably the people he doesn't need around him. Mike does try to fit Brian's model and that cuts both ways, Brian needs to try to fit Mike's, et Al's model. He's not some deity, immune from common courtesies and decencies. Jeez Louise. I didn't say Brian was a child or a deity. I said he was a damaged person who needs a support system he's comfortable with in order to create. Mike has not been a part of Brian's creative life for years, so he's not one of those people any more. Time has had its way in things. I don't think that's an unfair statement, so don't couch me as one of your "Brianistas". Only Brian can say who he needs around him to be creative. Mike doesn't get that right, sorry. And, neither do we. I agree that Brian is an adult, and I happen to think he makes these decisions for himself. And, if you'll note, I did say that Brian also needed to recognize the 2013 reality of Mike Love, who has been successfully touring the band for years without Brian. Mike deserves Brian's deference on that point, especially where live shows are concerned. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cyncie on July 09, 2013, 07:20:59 PM How come Al isn't whining about Joe Thomas and Brian taking the album over, even when, as related in the "Rolling Stone" article, Brian directly rejected Al's contribution to the album? Because Al wants a job, and because he wants to be in the presence of Brian Wilson, no matter what. And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Wirestone on July 09, 2013, 07:24:34 PM Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him. Exceptionally debatable. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 09, 2013, 07:30:16 PM Agreed.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 09, 2013, 07:34:21 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please. It's not unreasonable even if you are Brian Wilson. Brian's not a child. Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him, some of the people around Brian are probably the people he doesn't need around him. Mike does try to fit Brian's model and that cuts both ways, Brian needs to try to fit Mike's, et Al's model. He's not some deity, immune from common courtesies and decencies. Jeez Louise. I didn't say Brian was a child or a deity. I said he was a damaged person who needs a support system he's comfortable with in order to create. Mike has not been a part of Brian's creative life for years, so he's not one of those people any more. Time has had its way in things. I don't think that's an unfair statement, so don't couch me as one of your "Brianistas". Only Brian can say who he needs around him to be creative. Mike doesn't get that right, sorry. And, neither do we. I agree that Brian is an adult, and I happen to think he makes these decisions for himself. And, if you'll note, I did say that Brian also needed to recognize the 2013 reality of Mike Love, who has been successfully touring the band for years without Brian. Mike deserves Brian's deference on that point, especially where live shows are concerned. Ok. We are just going to disagree on how Brian is and what Brian needs and how BBs should treat each other. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cyncie on July 09, 2013, 07:47:10 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please. It's not unreasonable even if you are Brian Wilson. Brian's not a child. Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him, some of the people around Brian are probably the people he doesn't need around him. Mike does try to fit Brian's model and that cuts both ways, Brian needs to try to fit Mike's, et Al's model. He's not some deity, immune from common courtesies and decencies. Jeez Louise. I didn't say Brian was a child or a deity. I said he was a damaged person who needs a support system he's comfortable with in order to create. Mike has not been a part of Brian's creative life for years, so he's not one of those people any more. Time has had its way in things. I don't think that's an unfair statement, so don't couch me as one of your "Brianistas". Only Brian can say who he needs around him to be creative. Mike doesn't get that right, sorry. And, neither do we. I agree that Brian is an adult, and I happen to think he makes these decisions for himself. And, if you'll note, I did say that Brian also needed to recognize the 2013 reality of Mike Love, who has been successfully touring the band for years without Brian. Mike deserves Brian's deference on that point, especially where live shows are concerned. Ok. We are just going to disagree on how Brian is and what Brian needs and how BBs should treat each other. Hey, if Brian decides tomorrow that he and Mike are on the same creative page and they fly off to some remote island retreat to write pop masterpieces, I'd say "cool beans!" I don't anticipate that, because it doesn't seem to be the way Brian works these days. I also don't expect Mike to tune up the mega tour bus caravan with the 40 piece orchestra, giant video screen and catered birthday cake for the next Beach Boys gig. Mike needs to concede to Brian's current creative method, and Brian needs to give Mike more comfort room in the tours. They need to let each other play to their strengths instead of making demands in the areas of their weaknesses. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 09, 2013, 08:11:14 PM Well... here's my take, simplistic as it may be: if Mike's statement is questionable, then Brian's camp will rightly question it, publicly... and if it's accurate, they won't. There may be a third option but for the life of me I can't think of one. Another option: it's not accurate, but Brian's camp stay silent because they don't want to stir things up any more than they already have been -- given that both sides have been holding out "if the other guy wants to come back to us" olive branches of late... Cheers, Jon Blum Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on July 09, 2013, 08:31:53 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please. It's not unreasonable even if you are Brian Wilson. Brian's not a child. Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him, some of the people around Brian are probably the people he doesn't need around him. Mike does try to fit Brian's model and that cuts both ways, Brian needs to try to fit Mike's, et Al's model. He's not some deity, immune from common courtesies and decencies. Jeez Louise. I didn't say Brian was a child or a deity. I said he was a damaged person who needs a support system he's comfortable with in order to create. Mike has not been a part of Brian's creative life for years, so he's not one of those people any more. Time has had its way in things. I don't think that's an unfair statement, so don't couch me as one of your "Brianistas". Only Brian can say who he needs around him to be creative. Mike doesn't get that right, sorry. And, neither do we. I agree that Brian is an adult, and I happen to think he makes these decisions for himself. And, if you'll note, I did say that Brian also needed to recognize the 2013 reality of Mike Love, who has been successfully touring the band for years without Brian. Mike deserves Brian's deference on that point, especially where live shows are concerned. Ok. We are just going to disagree on how Brian is and what Brian needs and how BBs should treat each other. Hey, if Brian decides tomorrow that he and Mike are on the same creative page and they fly off to some remote island retreat to write pop masterpieces, I'd say "cool beans!" I don't anticipate that, because it doesn't seem to be the way Brian works these days. I also don't expect Mike to tune up the mega tour bus caravan with the 40 piece orchestra, giant video screen and catered birthday cake for the next Beach Boys gig. Mike needs to concede to Brian's current creative method, and Brian needs to give Mike more comfort room in the tours. They need to let each other play to their strengths instead of making demands in the areas of their weaknesses. I'm with you on that. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cyncie on July 09, 2013, 08:38:47 PM Well... here's my take, simplistic as it may be: if Mike's statement is questionable, then Brian's camp will rightly question it, publicly... and if it's accurate, they won't. There may be a third option but for the life of me I can't think of one. Another option: it's not accurate, but Brian's camp stay silent because they don't want to stir things up any more than they already have been -- given that both sides have been holding out "if the other guy wants to come back to us" olive branches of late... Cheers, Jon Blum I don't see how engaging Mike in this will benefit Brian one way or the other. He's riding high right now. The public and press were behind him in last year's ridiculous battle of the PR statements. He's got a solo album with noted guests coming out, a book and a high profile biopic. It's not going to help him to swat back at Mike over a statement that comes off as too little, too late in the C50 PR wars. Besides, it might be partly true, partly not. I can see Brian expressing both excitement over the new possibilities being offered and dread due to fatigue and back pain. He was in for that procedure pretty quickly when they took a break. So, it's possible that both are right. Brian may have expressed reluctance at more tour dates, but still wanted to consider some of the offers . It doesn't have to be all or none. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 09, 2013, 08:55:05 PM Well... here's my take, simplistic as it may be: if Mike's statement is questionable, then Brian's camp will rightly question it, publicly... and if it's accurate, they won't. There may be a third option but for the life of me I can't think of one. Another option: it's not accurate, but Brian's camp stay silent because they don't want to stir things up any more than they already have been -- given that both sides have been holding out "if the other guy wants to come back to us" olive branches of late... Cheers, Jon Blum I don't see how engaging Mike in this will benefit Brian one way or the other. He's riding high right now. The public and press were behind him in last year's ridiculous battle of the PR statements. He's got a solo album with noted guests coming out, a book and a high profile biopic. It's not going to help him to swat back at Mike over a statement that comes off as too little, too late in the C50 PR wars. Besides, it might be partly true, partly not. I can see Brian expressing both excitement over the new possibilities being offered and dread due to fatigue and back pain. He was in for that procedure pretty quickly when they took a break. So, it's possible that both are right. Brian may have expressed reluctance at more tour dates, but still wanted to consider some of the offers . It doesn't have to be all or none. Well when it comes to making any reparations to whatever relationships took hits in the aftermath of the C50, I think most of us would agree that Mike Love needs to make the first move because Brian Wilson just isn't going to do so. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Nicko1234 on July 09, 2013, 09:15:04 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Nicko1234 on July 09, 2013, 09:21:40 PM Well when it comes to making any reparations to whatever relationships took hits in the aftermath of the C50, I think most of us would agree that Mike Love needs to make the first move because Brian Wilson just isn't going to do so. I can`t really see why that would happen though. They got together as a business proposition for the 50th anniversary but they don`t need each other anymore and Mike and Brian are both doing well on their own. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 09:24:12 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Gotta say, Al talked to me backstage for 10 mins after the C50 Eugene show and was very, very nice. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jay on July 09, 2013, 09:44:41 PM No, it's not unreasonable. Unless that cousin is Brian Wilson. I do think Mike underestimates how much Brian needs his support system these days. For Brian to be comfortable enough to create, he needs certain people around him. Mike, unfortunately, isn't one of those people. It's sad. And, I'm sure it's sad to Mike. But, it's the 2013 reality of Brian Wilson's life, and if Mike wants to work with him at all, he might have to fit into that model. Never leave here. Please.It's not unreasonable even if you are Brian Wilson. Brian's not a child. Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him, some of the people around Brian are probably the people he doesn't need around him. Mike does try to fit Brian's model and that cuts both ways, Brian needs to try to fit Mike's, et Al's model. He's not some deity, immune from common courtesies and decencies. Jeez Louise. I didn't say Brian was a child or a deity. I said he was a damaged person who needs a support system he's comfortable with in order to create. Mike has not been a part of Brian's creative life for years, so he's not one of those people any more. Time has had its way in things. I don't think that's an unfair statement, so don't couch me as one of your "Brianistas". Only Brian can say who he needs around him to be creative. Mike doesn't get that right, sorry. And, neither do we. I agree that Brian is an adult, and I happen to think he makes these decisions for himself. And, if you'll note, I did say that Brian also needed to recognize the 2013 reality of Mike Love, who has been successfully touring the band for years without Brian. Mike deserves Brian's deference on that point, especially where live shows are concerned. Ok. We are just going to disagree on how Brian is and what Brian needs and how BBs should treat each other. Hey, if Brian decides tomorrow that he and Mike are on the same creative page and they fly off to some remote island retreat to write pop masterpieces, I'd say "cool beans!" I don't anticipate that, because it doesn't seem to be the way Brian works these days. I also don't expect Mike to tune up the mega tour bus caravan with the 40 piece orchestra, giant video screen and catered birthday cake for the next Beach Boys gig. Mike needs to concede to Brian's current creative method, and Brian needs to give Mike more comfort room in the tours. They need to let each other play to their strengths instead of making demands in the areas of their weaknesses. I'm with you on that. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Kurosawa on July 09, 2013, 09:45:31 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Maybe Al learned from his mistake. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: urbanite on July 09, 2013, 09:49:47 PM I would like to see a writing session happen between the two. If nothing worthwhile comes of it, well they tried and it didn't work out. Both have lots of time to spare. On the other hand, if their efforts jelled and they were able to craft a good song or two, it will be part of their legacy.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Nicko1234 on July 09, 2013, 09:50:36 PM Maybe Al learned from his mistake. Maybe. I would think it`s more about the fact that Al needs Brian though. He unfortunately hasn`t really had a solo career since 1998. Brian`s people probably think it`s not a bad idea for Al (and any other guests) to be involved to add some interest to any new shows/recordings. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 09:54:58 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Maybe Al learned from his mistake. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Rocky Raccoon on July 09, 2013, 10:05:03 PM While the conflicts between Brian and Mike over the years are debatable, there was definitely a lot of friction between Mike and Al before the reunion.
Check out this interview. http://brianwilsonfans.com/a_ml.php Quote Love reserves most of his current animosity for the other living original Beach Boy, Al Jardine, who he alleges tried to orchestrate a Beach Boys symphonic tour with Peter Cetera and Brian – but without Mike – the week Carl Wilson died from lung cancer in 1998. There's a snide quality in his voice but still no real sense of anger. "Carl was always the mediator in The Beach Boys, so his absence created a very big void. I didn't feel like continuing with Al after that, so that launched the whole thing where Al went off and did his own thing and I did mine with Bruce. It definitely created a schism which has lasted to this day. Alan has repeatedly brought lawsuits against Brother Records. But we've been successful at defending ourselves and so his antagonistic approach hasn't gotten him anywhere." I never heard about the symphonic tour controversy and I'm not sure whether to agree with Mike about Al being "antagonistic" (after all, didn't Brother sue Al first for using the Beach Boys name on tour? I never heard about any other lawsuits) but the relationship between Mike and Al seems to be even more complicated than that between Mike and Brian. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Kurosawa on July 09, 2013, 10:08:19 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Maybe Al learned from his mistake. I think the C50 turned Brian on to more of the idea of being in a band instead of being a 100% solo artist. It's just that Brian wants final say in the band, and that's why things didn't work out with Mike and his manservant Bruce. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Nicko1234 on July 09, 2013, 10:10:53 PM I never heard about the symphonic tour controversy and I'm not sure whether to agree with Mike about Al being "antagonistic" (after all, didn't Brother sue Al first for using the Beach Boys name on tour? I never heard about any other lawsuits) but the relationship between Mike and Al seems to be even more complicated than that between Mike and Brian. I think it was a little naive of some people last year to have believed that suddenly Mike and Al had put all their issues behind them and that they were getting on famously. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 09, 2013, 10:41:33 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Maybe Al learned from his mistake. I think the C50 turned Brian on to more of the idea of being in a band instead of being a 100% solo artist. It's just that Brian wants final say in the band, and that's why things didn't work out with Mike and his manservant Bruce. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Mike's Beard on July 09, 2013, 11:30:05 PM Forget Brian for a second, this statement from Mike flies in the face of Al's recent comments: http://www.theticker.tc/story/q-a-with-beach-boys-guitarist-al-jardine Fact is somebody (s) is spinning the truth here, that is for sure. How come nobody is tearing Al apart over this thing? Brian and I this and Brian and I that and we're the heart and soul blah blah blah. Despite the various ways to spin it, until this recent alleged comment from Mike about Brian ending the reunion tour, everybody including Mike, Brian, and Al have agreed that it was Mike that chose not to continue the reunion. What's to tear Al apart over? That he's painting a picture now of he and Brian? I don't get it. I know you've had it in for Al for at least 15 years now, to the exclusion of criticizing Mike or Mike's actions, but what in the world should we "tear Al apart" over? Despite being a founder member and a BRI member Al is in the same boat as David Marks as in he needs either Brian or Mike to stay in the big time. It's clearly not going to happen with Mike so why shound't he hitch his wagon to Brian Wilson? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Please delete my account on July 09, 2013, 11:46:59 PM Six pages on this? This is the Daily Star, people, it's not renowned for quoting people accurately. As has been pointed out plenty already.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pretty Funky on July 10, 2013, 12:27:43 AM Yeah but the thread has Mike Love in the title. Thats Gold here!
MIKE LOVE WATCHES PAINT DRY! There....thats another page right there. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Kurosawa on July 10, 2013, 12:34:00 AM Yeah but the thread has Mike Love in the title. Thats Gold here! MIKE LOVE WATCHES PAINT DRY! There....thats another page right there. The paint was going to take 50 minutes to dry, but they extended it to 74. Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on July 10, 2013, 01:35:42 AM
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 10, 2013, 05:12:20 AM Yeah. This is getting traction in the news feeds. I have criticized Mike over the C50 split. If it was Brian, I owe the Luvster a big apology. "If it was Brian" - do you need one good guy and one bad guy? This isn't black and white, it's grey. I defended Mike for the irrational hate against him, I'd defend Brian too if suddenly he was seen as the sole culprit. This is not intended as a personal attack against you, Oregon, what you wrote only seemed the same in inverse to me. Mike got a ton of concessions on the album with a solo song from 1978, beach songs with Brian, and a producer credit. So you imagine Mike going in there saying "I'll be on the album but only if there are beach songs on it"? Am I remembering wrongly that "Beaches In Mind" was Brian's idea and Mike was only asked to write some lyrics tp that title? If anyone knows for sure, please speak up. Forget Brian for a second, this statement from Mike flies in the face of Al's recent comments: http://www.theticker.tc/story/q-a-with-beach-boys-guitarist-al-jardine Fact is somebody (s) is spinning the truth here, that is for sure. How come nobody is tearing Al apart over this thing? Brian and I this and Brian and I that and we're the heart and soul blah blah blah. Because they couldn't find anyone Al's size. >:D It's still not unreasonable or undoable or an outlandish desire to want to sit down with your own cousin and write some songs. If your cousin happens to be known as one of the greates songwriters ever. Personally, I have no desire to write songs with any of my cousins. I would prefer writing with Brian. ;D Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: leggo of my ego on July 10, 2013, 06:49:01 AM Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him
What!?? Not hard to see why Love wants to write "alone" with his cuzin. That would assure him of co-writing credits without anyone else invovled. At all costs Brian's "people" should prevent this from happening. And if it did occur SIP-type dreck would likely be the output of such a thing. Love is not only a miserable miserly solider of fortune he has no qualms whatsoever saying so (in his own sly way that is). Transparent. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 10, 2013, 12:26:28 PM Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him What!?? Not hard to see why Love wants to write "alone" with his cuzin. That would assure him of co-writing credits without anyone else invovled. At all costs Brian's "people" should prevent this from happening. And if it did occur SIP-type dreck would likely be the output of such a thing. Not necessarily. It might even be as bad as "The Private Life Of Bill And Sue"! ;D Title: Post by: zachrwolfe on July 10, 2013, 12:42:58 PM
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: leggo of my ego on July 10, 2013, 01:34:32 PM Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him Nah, Brian wasn't even involved with SIP. I believe if they wrote together, at least the music would (probably) be good, with Brian in charge. But why have Mike write lyrics if he's just going to talk about all the hits they had in the 60's (and 1988....)?What!?? Not hard to see why Love wants to write "alone" with his cuzin. That would assure him of co-writing credits without anyone else involved. At all costs Brian's "people" should prevent this from happening. And if it did occur SIP-type dreck would likely be the output of such a thing. Oh the SIP bit was more of a joke -- however I do question Mr. Love's motives -- "follow the money" may fit very well to the bit about him lamenting he couldn't write any songs with Brian one on one. That would put more money in his pocket or provide grounds for future ligitation, etc. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 10, 2013, 02:16:48 PM And, maybe he's a professional who doesn't throw a hissy fit when the producer decides not to use his submission. It's all part of the job. I don`t know. I like Al but he was kicked out of The Beach Boys in the early 90s and when he toured with Brian a few years ago he got kicked off that too. I think he`s capable of hissy fits too. Maybe Al learned from his mistake. I think the C50 turned Brian on to more of the idea of being in a band instead of being a 100% solo artist. It's just that Brian wants final say in the band, and that's why things didn't work out with Mike and his manservant Bruce. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: oldsurferdude on July 10, 2013, 02:26:34 PM Mike is one of the people Brian needs around him :h5 :rock :happydance :woot :thumbsup :laugh:What!?? Not hard to see why Love wants to write "alone" with his cuzin. That would assure him of co-writing credits without anyone else invovled. At all costs Brian's "people" should prevent this from happening. And if it did occur SIP-type dreck would likely be the output of such a thing. Love is not only a miserable miserly solider of fortune he has no qualms whatsoever saying so (in his own sly way that is). Transparent. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 12:44:05 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof.
So, now you know. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: KittyKat on July 11, 2013, 12:53:35 AM Why would Mike want to write with Brian out of greed? There's comparatively little money to be made in song publishing for new songs, at this point in history. I doubt Joe Thomas got rich out of his co-writes with Brian on TWGMTR, nor did Brian, for that matter. It's more a matter of pride and bragging rights.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 11, 2013, 12:56:09 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. So, now you know. And was he more specific about the happenings/timeline? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jay on July 11, 2013, 12:59:10 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. I love how you just casually threw that into the conversation. lol ;DSo, now you know. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 11, 2013, 01:09:09 AM http://www.rttnews.com/2148711/mike-love-wants-brian-wilson-back-in-the-beach-boys.aspx?type=ent
Every article on this Daily Star interview has different information. "Speaking with the Daily Star, Love says the disbanding was misconstrued by the press:"I don't know how that sacking controversy started. I'd love to work with Brian again. The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates, and got extended to 73. At that point, Brian said: 'No more dates for us, please." However, Al Jardine claimed that Love was the impetus behind the split in a Facebook post which included a petition to return he, Wilson and David Marks to the band. Now Love says Wilson at least is welcome back: "I'd very much like to get in a room, just him and I, to write more songs. We've always had a special chemistry. I'd like to do that more than anything." Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: The Shift on July 11, 2013, 01:10:09 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. So, now you know. And was he more specific about the happenings/timeline? Where did he lag the final blame for … well, everything?! And I saw a pic of him and his wife earlier on Facebook backstage at Henley with some guy dressed as either James Bond, the Earl of Longleat or a waiter. Can you help with a name? Boy, how the other half live! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 01:14:25 AM http://www.rttnews.com/2148711/mike-love-wants-brian-wilson-back-in-the-beach-boys.aspx?type=ent Every article on this Daily Star interview has different information. "Speaking with the Daily Star, Love says the disbanding was misconstrued by the press:"I don't know how that sacking controversy started. I'd love to work with Brian again. The anniversary tour was originally 50 dates, and got extended to 73. At that point, Brian said: 'No more dates for us, please." ." That one. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 01:17:48 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. So, now you know. And was he more specific about the happenings/timeline? Where did he lag the final blame for … well, everything?! And I saw a pic of him and his wife earlier on Facebook backstage at Henley with some guy dressed as either James Bond, the Earl of Longleat or a waiter. Can you help with a name? Boy, how the other half live! I steered well clear of that dude - looked very shady... way too much hair. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 11, 2013, 01:55:20 AM quote author=Andrew G. Doe link=topic=15886.msg382345#msg382345 date=1373528645]
So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. So, now you know. [/quote] I'd like to see that proof because I am completely confused. You have verified Mike's statement that now 100% contradicts his own letter to the LA Times, not to mention his press release that preceeded it. "As the year went on, Brian and Al wanted to keep the 50th anniversary tour going beyond the 75 dates." - Mike Love http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/05/entertainment/la-et-ms-mike-love-beach-boys-on-brian-wilson-20121004 Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 11, 2013, 01:59:40 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 02:01:40 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. No need. Big Brother is watching us. Big Sister too... :thumbsup Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 11, 2013, 02:11:03 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. No need. Big Brother is watching us. Big Sister too... :thumbsup I hope so. Mike has essentially called Brian & Al liars while completely contradicting himself. We need answers. Let's start with that proof? :spin Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: El Molé on July 11, 2013, 03:03:43 AM This all seems to be a mess of contradictions and confusion. I very much doubt anybody involved has deliberately lied about anything here, but it's easy to see how things could have ended up as they have through poor communication, crossed wires, changes of heart, wilful misunderstandings etc etc. I haven't got a clue what actually happened, but to my mind things only get muddier with time and new information because everything seems so contradictory. Brian and Al say it was Mike's fault, Mike defends himself, Mike later says Brian didn't want to extend things (which may or may not be Mike contradicting himself). So who knows?
As several people have said previously, maybe they just weren't on the same page on the same days. At one point or another it seems that everyone has had a turn at be willing to keep things going further than they did, but not all at the same time. I don't think it matters much about why it ended, but I am interested in what's stopping things happening in the future. If Brian, Al and David want to tour with Mike, and Mike says they only stopped touring together due to Brian - what's the problem now? On that basis there could easily be another tour after any dates Mike and Bruce are booked for. Or maybe all the fall-out just makes it so much harder for all concerned to get back together. I honestly think that all sides handled some things badly at the end of the tour and it could all have been dealt with amicably (and/or behind closed doors). I don't mind that the tour ended, but I wish all parties would be open to something in the future. Who knows, maybe they are? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 03:31:25 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. No need. Big Brother is watching us. Big Sister too... :thumbsup I hope so. Mike has essentially called Brian & Al liars while completely contradicting himself. We need answers. Let's start with that proof? :spin It's starting to look clearer to me. I think Andrew Hickey is right. It seems they agreed to 50 dates. Then they agreed to 25 extra but Brian said no more. Mike made other plans based on Brian's end date and their previous agreement that they would go back to their respective touring situations after those dates. Brian [and Al] later decided he wanted more dates after all but now Mike already had commitments. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: El Molé on July 11, 2013, 03:40:57 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. No need. Big Brother is watching us. Big Sister too... :thumbsup I hope so. Mike has essentially called Brian & Al liars while completely contradicting himself. We need answers. Let's start with that proof? :spin It's starting to look clearer to me. I think Andrew Hickey is right. It seems they agreed to 50 dates. Then they agreed to 25 extra but Brian said no more. Mike made other plans based on Brian's end date and their previous agreement that they would go back to their respective touring situations after those dates. Brian [and Al] later decided he wanted more dates after all but now Mike already had commitments. All very plausible. Throw in Brian's earlier back problems and concerns he might have had about that and then Mike's possible concerns about the size and cost of the touring band / entourage etc and it's all very understandable. But why is it so difficult for anyone to put forward a short but full explanation of how things happened? It's not that I think they need to particularly, its just that drip feeding bits of information has caused all sorts of confusion and a lot of (unnecessary) bad press for Mike. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on July 11, 2013, 03:52:49 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. No need. Big Brother is watching us. Big Sister too... :thumbsup I hope so. Mike has essentially called Brian & Al liars while completely contradicting himself. We need answers. Let's start with that proof? :spin It's starting to look clearer to me. I think Andrew Hickey is right. It seems they agreed to 50 dates. Then they agreed to 25 extra but Brian said no more. Mike made other plans based on Brian's end date and their previous agreement that they would go back to their respective touring situations after those dates. Brian [and Al] later decided he wanted more dates after all but now Mike already had commitments. Were his reasons valid? May well have been, and he had every right to make his own decision on it. And it did have to end some time. As many have pointed out, Brian is not going to do 73+ shows every year. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 04:17:45 AM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. Funny, I missed this part on your backstage Henley post on Brian's board. ;DSo, now you know. No need. Big Brother is watching us. Big Sister too... :thumbsup I hope so. Mike has essentially called Brian & Al liars while completely contradicting himself. We need answers. Let's start with that proof? :spin It's starting to look clearer to me. I think Andrew Hickey is right. It seems they agreed to 50 dates. Then they agreed to 25 extra but Brian said no more. Mike made other plans based on Brian's end date and their previous agreement that they would go back to their respective touring situations after those dates. Brian [and Al] later decided he wanted more dates after all but now Mike already had commitments. Were his reasons valid? May well have been, and he had every right to make his own decision on it. And it did have to end some time. As many have pointed out, Brian is not going to do 73+ shows every year. I don't know either how many dates were already booked beyond the couple that were in the press, if any. I'm guessing Mike also had the rest of his group prepping themselves already in view of Brian's previous period on the end date and the previous agreement to go back to their groups. Maybe we get a little glib about somebody else just rearranging their lives because another guy changed his mind at the last minute. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: absinthe_boy on July 11, 2013, 04:50:09 AM Let's face it. I think *everyone* was surprised that by the final dates the Beach Boys were still apparently enjoying performing together.
I get that Mike feels a need to keep his M&B touring band as a going concern to keep the money flowing. The question they might like to ask is how do they incorporate Al, Dave and Brian into, say, 30 big shows a year? Will people still turn up to the M&B shows? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 04:55:36 AM Let's face it. I think *everyone* was surprised that by the final dates the Beach Boys were still apparently enjoying performing together. I get that Mike feels a need to keep his M&B touring band as a going concern to keep the money flowing. The question they might like to ask is how do they incorporate Al, Dave and Brian into, say, 30 big shows a year? Will people still turn up to the M&B shows? Apparently. Looked like a full house last night, 5,000 or so. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 05:05:01 AM You could easily say that Mike agreed to 50. Then changed his mind and added 23 more. You could easily say that, mainly because it's true. ;D Quote How ever you couch it/spin it, it was Mike who had the power to keep it rolling and he chose not to. Agreed, he could have carried on... fact is he didn't. Now, with that established, maybe we should start considering why he didn't go along with the others wishes. Would have to be a very compelling reason, or set of circumstances, I'm thinking. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: TimmyC on July 11, 2013, 06:27:11 AM I suppose this is as good a place as any to express my concern about what's been missing from the various discussions of late regarding Brian and Mike. This very well may have been brought up already, and if so, I apologize. But what I think has been missing from these discussions is the following very, very important piece of history:
The press release for TWGMTR clearly, VERY CLEARLY, stated that it would include new Wilson/Love songs. I remember this very clearly, because I was excited by the prospect, and I also remember very, very clearly, that in his quote in the the press release, Bruce expressed his excitement at new Wilson/Love songs as well. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THIS? I think it needs to be shared. The crucial point here is that although it SUCKS that it ended the way it did, I do think Mike feels he was shafted, and indeed, the very press release that kicked the whole 50th celebration off SPECIFICALLY STATED there would be Wilson/Love collaborations, and it seems that for the most part that just didn't happen. The press release to me is the crucial piece of evidence that proves that Mike had certain assumptions going into it that didn't pan out. SO, it's understandable that Mike would be pissed. having said, I totally agree that in the big picture, Mike should have never made any such demands. Yeah, I'd like to see some Wilson/Love songs, but not at the expense of getting NO beach boys which is where we're at now. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 11, 2013, 06:33:34 AM One should be careful what you wish for, because the wish might get fulfilled.
Brian wished that "Summer's Gone" would be the last song on the last BB album. He seemingly got his wish, even though he had changed his mind meanwhile. I wished for a silly song on TWGMTR, and I got TPLOBAS (cringes)... :-[ Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Magic City Surfer on July 11, 2013, 06:43:38 AM I'd be happy with just one C50-style show a year. On the Fourth of July, either in DC or at the Hollywood Bowl. The other 364 days, let M&B tour and Brian record. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 08:50:07 AM I suppose this is as good a place as any to express my concern about what's been missing from the various discussions of late regarding Brian and Mike. This very well may have been brought up already, and if so, I apologize. But what I think has been missing from these discussions is the following very, very important piece of history: The press release for TWGMTR clearly, VERY CLEARLY, stated that it would include new Wilson/Love songs. I remember this very clearly, because I was excited by the prospect, and I also remember very, very clearly, that in his quote in the the press release, Bruce expressed his excitement at new Wilson/Love songs as well. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THIS? I think it needs to be shared. The crucial point here is that although it SUCKS that it ended the way it did, I do think Mike feels he was shafted, and indeed, the very press release that kicked the whole 50th celebration off SPECIFICALLY STATED there would be Wilson/Love collaborations, and it seems that for the most part that just didn't happen. The press release to me is the crucial piece of evidence that proves that Mike had certain assumptions going into it that didn't pan out. SO, it's understandable that Mike would be pissed. having said, I totally agree that in the big picture, Mike should have never made any such demands. Yeah, I'd like to see some Wilson/Love songs, but not at the expense of getting NO beach boys which is where we're at now. Two questions: exactly what demands were these... and exactly how does not having new Wilson/Love songs of the album result in Mike - according to most posters here - deciding to go play with his own band instead of extending the C50 tour for a second time ? Did he say "no, not going to because you wouldn't let me write with you" ? If that's truly the reason, then I'd be very critical of him... but I, and I suspect everyone else here whose posting initials aren't OSD, don't believe that for a moment. Hopefully I'll still be around when the true story of events last summer/fall finally emerge into the light of day, because I can't believe they'll be anything less than fascinating. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 11, 2013, 09:08:25 AM I suppose this is as good a place as any to express my concern about what's been missing from the various discussions of late regarding Brian and Mike. This very well may have been brought up already, and if so, I apologize. But what I think has been missing from these discussions is the following very, very important piece of history: The press release for TWGMTR clearly, VERY CLEARLY, stated that it would include new Wilson/Love songs. I remember this very clearly, because I was excited by the prospect, and I also remember very, very clearly, that in his quote in the the press release, Bruce expressed his excitement at new Wilson/Love songs as well. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THIS? I think it needs to be shared. The crucial point here is that although it SUCKS that it ended the way it did, I do think Mike feels he was shafted, and indeed, the very press release that kicked the whole 50th celebration off SPECIFICALLY STATED there would be Wilson/Love collaborations, and it seems that for the most part that just didn't happen. The press release to me is the crucial piece of evidence that proves that Mike had certain assumptions going into it that didn't pan out. SO, it's understandable that Mike would be pissed. having said, I totally agree that in the big picture, Mike should have never made any such demands. Yeah, I'd like to see some Wilson/Love songs, but not at the expense of getting NO beach boys which is where we're at now. Two questions: exactly what demands were these... and exactly how does not having new Wilson/Love songs of the album result in Mike - according to most posters here - deciding to go play with his own band instead of extending the C50 tour for a second time ? Did he say "no, not going to because you wouldn't let me write with you" ? If that's truly the reason, then I'd be very critical of him... but I, and I suspect everyone else here whose posting initials aren't OSD, don't believe that for a moment. Hopefully I'll still be around when the true story of events last summer/fall finally emerge into the light of day, because I can't believe they'll be anything less than fascinating. Exactly. I think the fact that Mike Love "wasn't allowed" to write with Brian Wilson may have been a factor in his overall discontent as far as the C50 goes but I don't think it's the entire story either. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 09:12:09 AM I suppose this is as good a place as any to express my concern about what's been missing from the various discussions of late regarding Brian and Mike. This very well may have been brought up already, and if so, I apologize. But what I think has been missing from these discussions is the following very, very important piece of history: The press release for TWGMTR clearly, VERY CLEARLY, stated that it would include new Wilson/Love songs. I remember this very clearly, because I was excited by the prospect, and I also remember very, very clearly, that in his quote in the the press release, Bruce expressed his excitement at new Wilson/Love songs as well. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THIS? I think it needs to be shared. The crucial point here is that although it SUCKS that it ended the way it did, I do think Mike feels he was shafted, and indeed, the very press release that kicked the whole 50th celebration off SPECIFICALLY STATED there would be Wilson/Love collaborations, and it seems that for the most part that just didn't happen. The press release to me is the crucial piece of evidence that proves that Mike had certain assumptions going into it that didn't pan out. SO, it's understandable that Mike would be pissed. having said, I totally agree that in the big picture, Mike should have never made any such demands. Yeah, I'd like to see some Wilson/Love songs, but not at the expense of getting NO beach boys which is where we're at now. Two questions: exactly what demands were these... and exactly how does not having new Wilson/Love songs of the album result in Mike - according to most posters here - deciding to go play with his own band instead of extending the C50 tour for a second time ? Did he say "no, not going to because you wouldn't let me write with you" ? If that's truly the reason, then I'd be very critical of him... but I, and I suspect everyone else here whose posting initials aren't OSD, don't believe that for a moment. Hopefully I'll still be around when the true story of events last summer/fall finally emerge into the light of day, because I can't believe they'll be anything less than fascinating. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 11, 2013, 09:19:06 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 09:22:21 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Why do any of us do things like that at one time or another? Because we are human beings that have needs, egos, and feelings, etc., etc. etc..Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: leggo of my ego on July 11, 2013, 09:33:03 AM Exactly. I think the fact that Mike Love "wasn't allowed" to write with Brian Wilson may have been a factor in his overall discontent as far as the C50 goes but I don't think it's the entire story either. I don't think Michael would play "hard to get" because of that or he's much meaner, vengenful (and stupider) than I had ever imagined he is. In the digital music age its become painfully obvious to those in the industry that the Big money is in touring, not recording -- things are quite reversed from Michael's halcyon days of the mid 1960's, you record an album of songs so you have a reason to tour and sell tickets/ product on the road, this is where the real profits are made. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Quzi on July 11, 2013, 09:33:38 AM People here saying that any future collabs between Brian and Mike would be at "SIP" levels of bad using Mike's contributions "TWGMTR" as a yardstick are trippin'. Brian fed the title "Beaches in Mind" as well as the lyric "easy money, ain't life funny, what's it too ya, hallelujah" to Mike for the two new songs he was allowed to (under less than ideal conditions, by the sounds of it) contribute to. He was practically pushed him into writing lyrics that Mike's critics were going to deride either way. Given a little time, inspiration and Brian's support, I believe the two could do some impressive things together again.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: TimmyC on July 11, 2013, 09:52:13 AM I suppose this is as good a place as any to express my concern about what's been missing from the various discussions of late regarding Brian and Mike. This very well may have been brought up already, and if so, I apologize. But what I think has been missing from these discussions is the following very, very important piece of history: The press release for TWGMTR clearly, VERY CLEARLY, stated that it would include new Wilson/Love songs. I remember this very clearly, because I was excited by the prospect, and I also remember very, very clearly, that in his quote in the the press release, Bruce expressed his excitement at new Wilson/Love songs as well. DOES ANYONE HAVE A COPY OF THIS? I think it needs to be shared. The crucial point here is that although it SUCKS that it ended the way it did, I do think Mike feels he was shafted, and indeed, the very press release that kicked the whole 50th celebration off SPECIFICALLY STATED there would be Wilson/Love collaborations, and it seems that for the most part that just didn't happen. The press release to me is the crucial piece of evidence that proves that Mike had certain assumptions going into it that didn't pan out. SO, it's understandable that Mike would be pissed. having said, I totally agree that in the big picture, Mike should have never made any such demands. Yeah, I'd like to see some Wilson/Love songs, but not at the expense of getting NO beach boys which is where we're at now. Two questions: exactly what demands were these... and exactly how does not having new Wilson/Love songs of the album result in Mike - according to most posters here - deciding to go play with his own band instead of extending the C50 tour for a second time ? Did he say "no, not going to because you wouldn't let me write with you" ? If that's truly the reason, then I'd be very critical of him... but I, and I suspect everyone else here whose posting initials aren't OSD, don't believe that for a moment. Hopefully I'll still be around when the true story of events last summer/fall finally emerge into the light of day, because I can't believe they'll be anything less than fascinating. Absolutely 100% true!! The only things I "know" are what I glean from this board! The true story will be fascinating. Luckily I MIGHT just be young enough to actually get to read it which is probably more than I can say for you old timers. WOW! SLAM. BOOM. kidding, kidding Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Mike's Beard on July 11, 2013, 09:56:57 AM I don't know either how many dates were already booked beyond the couple that were in the press, if any. I'm guessing Mike also had the rest of his group prepping themselves already in view of Brian's previous period on the end date and the previous agreement to go back to their groups. Maybe we get a little glib about somebody else just rearranging their lives because another guy changed his mind at the last minute. No Cam, how dare Mike not change his plans to accommodate the ever changing daily whims of Brian Wilson. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 11, 2013, 10:00:03 AM I don't know either how many dates were already booked beyond the couple that were in the press, if any. I'm guessing Mike also had the rest of his group prepping themselves already in view of Brian's previous period on the end date and the previous agreement to go back to their groups. Maybe we get a little glib about somebody else just rearranging their lives because another guy changed his mind at the last minute. No Cam, how dare Mike not change his plans to accommodate the ever changing daily whims of Brian Wilson. ...and there may lie part of the problem. As it has been stated on more than one occasion now (Stebbins?) that the C50 was the first time in years that Mike Love didn't have carte blanche to run "The Beach Boys" as he saw fit. He had to acquiesce, make compromises and perhaps at times even cow-tow to other people's way of doing things. That couldn't have made him very happy and may have been part of the reason why he isn't touring with Wilson/Jardine/Marks this summer. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 10:08:15 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Doo Dah on July 11, 2013, 10:18:10 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 11, 2013, 10:28:29 AM I think until he gets a commitment from Brian to allow him to write the bulk of the material, I doubt we will ever see a Follow-up studio album from the Beach Boys. Though, if I were a betting man, I'd wager we will see another album and another tour either next year or Summer 2015. We'll see! I'm a bookie, with the odd inside line, and I'd put the odds at a new album in the next three tears as 50/1. New tour, 40/1. Both, 150/1. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Mike's Beard on July 11, 2013, 10:34:41 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. But for Mike this must seem like Groundhog Day; there's always someone there putting themselves between him and Brian. Any band that can't have it's members freely hooking up with each other and kicking back song ideas between them is a band in name only. And I can understand perfectly why this drives Mike nuts. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Steve Mayo on July 11, 2013, 10:50:02 AM I think until he gets a commitment from Brian to allow him to write the bulk of the material, I doubt we will ever see a Follow-up studio album from the Beach Boys. Though, if I were a betting man, I'd wager we will see another album and another tour either next year or Summer 2015. We'll see! I'm a bookie, with the odd inside line, and I'd put the odds at a new album in the next three tears as 50/1. New tour, 40/1. Both, 150/1. i'm a betting guy and just for fun, what the hell, put me down for $10 on each. boards gotten a little boring and i need some excitement... :) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Mikie on July 11, 2013, 10:52:57 AM I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. "Cammy". Kinda has an endearing quality to the name "Cam", dudn't it? You call him "Cammy", his detractors call him "Cam" and when it gets real serious, they call him "Cameron". Can I call him "Camry" since "Cammy" and "Cam" have been done already? :-D Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 10:59:38 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 11:10:14 AM I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. "Cammy". Kinda has an endearing quality to the name "Cam", dudn't it? You call him "Cammy", his detractors call him "Cam" and when it gets real serious, they call him "Cameron". Can I call him "Camry" since "Cammy" and "Cam" have been done already? :-D Don't call me late for dinner. [old] Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 11:19:36 AM I think until he gets a commitment from Brian to allow him to write the bulk of the material, I doubt we will ever see a Follow-up studio album from the Beach Boys. Though, if I were a betting man, I'd wager we will see another album and another tour either next year or Summer 2015. We'll see! I'm a bookie, with the odd inside line, and I'd put the odds at a new album in the next three tears as 50/1. New tour, 40/1. Both, 150/1. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 11:25:29 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 11, 2013, 11:36:00 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Brian was calling the shots, and I don't think he has been (including his solo projects) for many years. With/since Brian's documented problems/issues, there has been NUMEROUS people involved in bringing his projects to fruition - record companies, wifeandmanagers, co-producers, even collaborators. I'm not insinuating Brian was ignored, but I question how much control or final say he had. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 11:41:00 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Brian was calling the shots, and I don't think he has been (including his solo projects) for many years. With/since Brian's documented problems/issues, there has been NUMEROUS people involved in bringing his projects to fruition - record companies, wifeandmanagers, co-producers, even collaborators. I'm not insinuating Brian was ignored, but I question how much control or final say he had. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jim V. on July 11, 2013, 11:53:10 AM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Heysaboda on July 11, 2013, 11:56:20 AM As Curly from The Three Stooges once stated: "Truth is stranger than fiction, Judgy, Wudgy". As betting goes, the "Family" thing is what throws the odds off for any betting man. Look at how bad relations were frayed just a year before the reunion. Things can change with this band in an instant. Look how much they changed within a few weeks after the reunion. The Family dynamic has a weird way of binding and unbinding relationships rather quickly. Like I said, we'll see. And as Moe was known to reply: "Why I oughta.............." Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 11, 2013, 12:04:15 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Brian was calling the shots, and I don't think he has been (including his solo projects) for many years. With/since Brian's documented problems/issues, there has been NUMEROUS people involved in bringing his projects to fruition - record companies, wifeandmanagers, co-producers, even collaborators. I'm not insinuating Brian was ignored, but I question how much control or final say he had. I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. People - meaning people familiar with Brian's history, are aware of past "choices" made by Brian that have significantly set the band back, or put a serious halt to their career momentum. There will never again be a Smiley Smile, a "Love Is A Woman", a "Shortenin' Bread", a "Daddy's Little Girl", or maybe even a Gettin' In Over My Head performance. Hell, there will never be another Friends-like album. And, to some fans on this board, that would be a disappointment. Back in the day, Brian was given the control to make those choices. And, in some cases, it was a mistake. After an accumulation of those missteps over several decades, all of them after Brian started to experience "problems", a process in probably in place that will take a good look at Brian's future "choices" - yes, musical choices. I don't think, actually I expect that Brian's wants or suggestions or directions are discussed, discussed by a team of people, and then decided on. That's what I was referring to. I don't think the final decision or end product is entirely - or even to a large extent - Brian's decision. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Please delete my account on July 11, 2013, 12:06:12 PM So anyway, backstage at Henley last night, I asked Mike if what the Daily Star reported about the end of the C50 tour was true, and he told me it was. Apparently, there is proof. So, now you know. Blimey. i stand corrected. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 12:12:50 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Brian was calling the shots, and I don't think he has been (including his solo projects) for many years. With/since Brian's documented problems/issues, there has been NUMEROUS people involved in bringing his projects to fruition - record companies, wifeandmanagers, co-producers, even collaborators. I'm not insinuating Brian was ignored, but I question how much control or final say he had. I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. People - meaning people familiar with Brian's history, are aware of past "choices" made by Brian that have significantly set the band back, or put a serious halt to their career momentum. There will never again be a Smiley Smile, a "Love Is A Woman", a "Shortenin' Bread", a "Daddy's Little Girl", or maybe even a Gettin' In Over My Head performance. Hell, there will never be another Friends-like album. And, to some fans on this board, that would be a disappointment. Back in the day, Brian was given the control to make those choices. And, in some cases, it was a mistake. After an accumulation of those missteps over several decades, all of them after Brian started to experience "problems", a process in probably in place that will take a good look at Brian's future "choices" - yes, musical choices. I don't think, actually I expect that Brian's wants or suggestions or directions are discussed, discussed by a team of people, and then decided on. That's what I was referring to. I don't think the final decision or end product is entirely - or even to a large extent - Brian's decision. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 11, 2013, 01:17:25 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Brian was calling the shots, and I don't think he has been (including his solo projects) for many years. With/since Brian's documented problems/issues, there has been NUMEROUS people involved in bringing his projects to fruition - record companies, wifeandmanagers, co-producers, even collaborators. I'm not insinuating Brian was ignored, but I question how much control or final say he had. I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. People - meaning people familiar with Brian's history, are aware of past "choices" made by Brian that have significantly set the band back, or put a serious halt to their career momentum. There will never again be a Smiley Smile, a "Love Is A Woman", a "Shortenin' Bread", a "Daddy's Little Girl", or maybe even a Gettin' In Over My Head performance. Hell, there will never be another Friends-like album. And, to some fans on this board, that would be a disappointment. Back in the day, Brian was given the control to make those choices. And, in some cases, it was a mistake. After an accumulation of those missteps over several decades, all of them after Brian started to experience "problems", a process in probably in place that will take a good look at Brian's future "choices" - yes, musical choices. I don't think, actually I expect that Brian's wants or suggestions or directions are discussed, discussed by a team of people, and then decided on. That's what I was referring to. I don't think the final decision or end product is entirely - or even to a large extent - Brian's decision. Maybe Brian has lost the ability to call the best shots for his musical output and that J.Thomas is the only 'yes'-man producer he has available ;D Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 11, 2013, 01:22:09 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. Just my opinion, but I'm not sure Brian was calling the shots, and I don't think he has been (including his solo projects) for many years. With/since Brian's documented problems/issues, there has been NUMEROUS people involved in bringing his projects to fruition - record companies, wifeandmanagers, co-producers, even collaborators. I'm not insinuating Brian was ignored, but I question how much control or final say he had. I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. People - meaning people familiar with Brian's history, are aware of past "choices" made by Brian that have significantly set the band back, or put a serious halt to their career momentum. There will never again be a Smiley Smile, a "Love Is A Woman", a "Shortenin' Bread", a "Daddy's Little Girl", or maybe even a Gettin' In Over My Head performance. Hell, there will never be another Friends-like album. And, to some fans on this board, that would be a disappointment. Back in the day, Brian was given the control to make those choices. And, in some cases, it was a mistake. After an accumulation of those missteps over several decades, all of them after Brian started to experience "problems", a process in probably in place that will take a good look at Brian's future "choices" - yes, musical choices. I don't think, actually I expect that Brian's wants or suggestions or directions are discussed, discussed by a team of people, and then decided on. That's what I was referring to. I don't think the final decision or end product is entirely - or even to a large extent - Brian's decision. Maybe Brian has lost the ability to call the best shots for his musical output and that J.Thomas is the only 'yes'-man producer he has available ;D Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 11, 2013, 01:31:22 PM I think until he gets a commitment from Brian to allow him to write the bulk of the material, I doubt we will ever see a Follow-up studio album from the Beach Boys. Though, if I were a betting man, I'd wager we will see another album and another tour either next year or Summer 2015. We'll see! I'm a bookie, with the odd inside line, and I'd put the odds at a new album in the next three tears as 50/1. New tour, 40/1. Both, 150/1. I'm not a betting guy but I have a feeling that in 2016, they will be approached to do something to commemorate Pet Sounds' 50th Anniversary. Whether or not they take advantage of the opportunities presented to them remains to be seen. I'd actually be happy with one or two shows say at the Greek Theater where they play the album all the way through alongside a smattering of other hits and go home from there. Wishful thinking probably but there are my two cents for what they're worth. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 01:35:38 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jim V. on July 11, 2013, 01:51:19 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. And this is borne out from what? The fact that Mike complained about "Island Girl" even being included on Still Cruisin'? Or the fact that Al barely even appeared on Summer In Paradise? Past is prologue, and I don't see any recent proof that Mike cares about anything other than Mike (and maybe Bruce, sometimes). Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 11, 2013, 01:59:01 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. And this is borne out from what? The fact that Mike complained about "Island Girl" even being included on Still Cruisin'? Or the fact that Al barely even appeared on Summer In Paradise? Past is prologue, and I don't see any recent proof that Mike cares about anything other than Mike (and maybe Bruce, sometimes). Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 02:34:51 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. And this is borne out from what? The fact that Mike complained about "Island Girl" even being included on Still Cruisin'? Or the fact that Al barely even appeared on Summer In Paradise? Past is prologue, and I don't see any recent proof that Mike cares about anything other than Mike (and maybe Bruce, sometimes). Island Girl was on SC which proves my point, that is if Mike was in control of SC, which seems not by your point. Has Al complained about how he couldn't get anything on SIP? Did he have anything for SIP? You probably would have to ask the producer why, RIP. I don't see any proof that Mike has kept anybody from getting anything on any album in the past so there is the prologue. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 11, 2013, 02:45:08 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. And this is borne out from what? The fact that Mike complained about "Island Girl" even being included on Still Cruisin'? Or the fact that Al barely even appeared on Summer In Paradise? Past is prologue, and I don't see any recent proof that Mike cares about anything other than Mike (and maybe Bruce, sometimes). I don't think the effects of "Kokomo" can be underestimated. It proved - at least in Mike's mind anyway, and that turned out to significant - that he could write (I know that's questionable) a No. 1 hit single without Brian Wilson. And, at the same time, Brian in his solo career didn't come close to one without The Beach Boys - and Mike. But most importantly, and the effects are still being felt in 2013 and probably onward, it reinforced WHAT MIKE BELIEVES a Beach Boys' record should sound like (i.e. subject matter, beach-y sound, etc.) and WHAT THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF BEACH BOYS' FANS WANT IN ANY NEW BEACH BOYS' RECORD. After "Kokomo", there was no turning back for Mike. It was strong before that, mainly with Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, but "Kokomo" solidified it. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jim V. on July 11, 2013, 02:46:04 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. And this is borne out from what? The fact that Mike complained about "Island Girl" even being included on Still Cruisin'? Or the fact that Al barely even appeared on Summer In Paradise? Past is prologue, and I don't see any recent proof that Mike cares about anything other than Mike (and maybe Bruce, sometimes). Island Girl was on SC which proves my point, that is if Mike was in control of SC, which seems not by your point. Has Al complained about how he couldn't get anything on SIP? Did he have anything for SIP? You probably would have to ask the producer why, RIP. I don't see any proof that Mike has kept anybody from getting anything on any album in the past so there is the prologue. You're confusing things, bud. You said Mike would fight for Al to get stuff on a record. And I showed an instance where Mike was against it. I didn't say that anything was up to Mike. I was just proving against your assumption that Mike cares about anybody/anything other than himself. Thanks for playing though. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jim V. on July 11, 2013, 02:56:47 PM I don't think the effects of "Kokomo" can be underestimated. It proved - at least in Mike's mind anyway, and that turned out to significant - that he could write (I know that's questionable) a No. 1 hit single without Brian Wilson. And, at the same time, Brian in his solo career didn't come close to one without The Beach Boys - and Mike. But most importantly, and the effects are still being felt in 2013 and probably onward, it reinforced WHAT MIKE BELIEVES a Beach Boys' record should sound like (i.e. subject matter, beach-y sound, etc.) and WHAT THE OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF BEACH BOYS' FANS WANT IN ANY NEW BEACH BOYS' RECORD. After "Kokomo", there was no turning back for Mike. It was strong before that, mainly with Endless Summer/Spirit Of America, but "Kokomo" solidified it. Absolutely. And it doesn't mean that outside The Beach Boys, Mike is artistically worthless. It seems like he thinks a bit differently when working on his solo material. But when it comes to The Beach Boys since "Kokomo", it's summer, cars, the beach, etc. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 11, 2013, 03:07:17 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. Because he might think he [and Al, maybe Bruce and Dave] should have some/more say on his own group's album? I agree! And therein lies the fork in the road. The tectonic plates. The San Andres Faultline! Peter Carlin talked about it in depth - this band (post Pet Sounds) has always had a strange tug of war between their love & respect for Brian's talents, and their own needs as musicians. Carl was frequently in the middle of all that. I happen to disagree with Cammy that a group 'democracy' album would be a good idea. It would be rather dull and uninteresting in my opinion. Of course, your opinion (and others) is quite the opposite. I didn't say democracy but it is not out of line to expect it be more democratic. That's not even it, it should have more respect for the members wishes. It is their band too. But the thing is, with your defense of Mike, I'm pretty sure Mike would be just fine if it was all Wilson/Love. I highly doubt he would stand up to have Al Jardine's writing contributions included, nor would he care much if bosom-buddy Bruce Johnston tried to pitch a re-do of "Happy Endings" and have it ignored. I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been. And this is borne out from what? The fact that Mike complained about "Island Girl" even being included on Still Cruisin'? Or the fact that Al barely even appeared on Summer In Paradise? Past is prologue, and I don't see any recent proof that Mike cares about anything other than Mike (and maybe Bruce, sometimes). Island Girl was on SC which proves my point, that is if Mike was in control of SC, which seems not by your point. Has Al complained about how he couldn't get anything on SIP? Did he have anything for SIP? You probably would have to ask the producer why, RIP. I don't see any proof that Mike has kept anybody from getting anything on any album in the past so there is the prologue. You're confusing things, bud. You said Mike would fight for Al to get stuff on a record. And I showed an instance where Mike was against it. I didn't say that anything was up to Mike. I was just proving against your assumption that Mike cares about anybody/anything other than himself. Thanks for playing though. What? I said: "I don't presume it. I think Mike would be more open to Al than you think and would be more open to non-Wilson/Love contributions than Brian seems to have been." I said he'd be more open to it than you think and there it is on the album. Besides Mike didn't object to Al's song being on the album, he noted Capitol broke the movie songs theme of the album with songs not in movies. Al's just happened to not be in a movie as I remember. You haven't changed my opinion. Thanks for playing. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Steve Mayo on July 11, 2013, 04:28:05 PM al said in an interview at the time of the SC lp capitol gave them another chance but wanted "3 hit singles" from that lp. hence the newer songs. i think it was in goldmine but i'm not sure. my magazines burnt up so i can't check that out.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 11, 2013, 09:52:43 PM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 06:27:05 AM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 12, 2013, 07:09:15 AM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum Jon, thanks for reminding me about that Bruce and Al comment. But, that falls in line with what I was intimating. Other "people" are included in making or editing the final decisions now. If Brian was calling the shots, the record company would not be choosing which songs are released - Brian would. And, yes, drbeachboy, it does make you wonder, not only how many songs were actually submitted, but the quality of the ones that weren't chosen. I guess we'll find out a little bit more about them if/when they end up on Brian's new solo album. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 12, 2013, 07:16:17 AM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum Choosing Daybreak seems not nearly as weird for me... :) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Wirestone on July 12, 2013, 07:25:37 AM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way. They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows). They submitted 15 songs to Capitol. Capitol picked 12 for the finished album. In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 09:46:26 AM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way. They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows). They submitted 15 songs to Capitol. Capitol picked 12 for the finished album. In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cam Mott on July 12, 2013, 10:50:27 AM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way. They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows). They submitted 15 songs to Capitol. Capitol picked 12 for the finished album. In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter. It does but not with much hope if they judged Bill and Sue superior. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 12, 2013, 12:43:04 PM I wasn't referring to the 92% of Brian's writing, arranging, and producing (although I think it was, in truth, significantly less than that); I was referring to what led to that choice of 92% of included Brian Wilson songs, or the types of songs he would record. Worth remembering that Bruce and Al said at the time that it was Capitol, rather than Brian *or* the band, which selected the final tracklisting of the album from what they'd recorded... Cheers, Jon Blum IIRC, it wasn't as simple as that. I believe Joe Thomas outlined it this way. They recorded two dozen songs (whether they were all completed with vocals and mixed, who knows). They submitted 15 songs to Capitol. Capitol picked 12 for the finished album. In other words, most of the song selection was done before Capitol had any say in the matter. This makes more sense than Capitol being given cart blanche in deciding the fate for The Beach Boys' record. They may have picked the songs but the listing they chose from was actually selected by The Beach Boys. What would be interesting to know is whether or not the boys dictated to Capitol how many songs they were allowed to choose from the list of fifteen for the record. Did Capitol have to pick twelve tracks or could've they picked less or even selected all fifteen? For what it's worth twelve to thirteen tracks is still generally considered to be the industry standard for a single LP. Anything more than that and from what I've understood artists usually get told to trim their album a bit. The additional three tracks would be interesting to hear. If they are in a completed state you have to wonder why they aren't on coming out on MIC unless Brian Wilson once he realized the C50 wasn't going forward wouldn't allow those tracks to be released under "The Beach Boys" monicker. Maybe he's planning on recutting them for his solo LP? Allegedly (from what I've read on this forum) one of the unreleased tracks has been given the speculative title of "I'd Go Anywhere" and is apparently part of more youthful section of the Life Suite. So that could be one of the three tracks that was submitted although from what we've heard of it sounds basically unfinished which could mean nothing at all obviously. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SIP Mike on July 12, 2013, 01:25:31 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. But remember Brian, once Wilson realized how important a songwriting partner and lead singer like Mike was, there was no way he could go to anyone else. "Do It Again" is one their best songs, going straight to number one. Sunny beach songs are what the Beach Boys are known for after all. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Juice Bronston on July 12, 2013, 01:28:24 PM But why hold up the whole BBs group and demand from the fans over such a selfish request? Brian picks and choose who he works with since day one of 1961. So be it if he doesn't want to rewrite "do it again" for the 100th time with ML. But remember Brian, once Wilson realized how important a songwriting partner and lead singer like Mike was, there was no way he could go to anyone else. "Do It Again" is one their best songs, going straight to number one. Sunny beach songs are what the Beach Boys are known for after all. I agree. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 02:08:36 PM Welcome SIP Mike, "do it again" is.what made ML become the evil surf demon of today...
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SIP Mike on July 12, 2013, 02:16:06 PM Welcome SIP Mike, "do it again" is.what made ML become the evil surf demon of today... I don't know about evil, but I do know about surfin! We can all thank Mike for that, and 50 years of writing hits. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 02:18:42 PM What about Pet sounds or smile?
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Juice Bronston on July 12, 2013, 02:18:47 PM Welcome SIP Mike, "do it again" is.what made ML become the evil surf demon of today... I don't know about evil, but I do know about surfin! We can all thank Mike for that, and 50 years of writing hits. I agree. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 02:21:16 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SIP Mike on July 12, 2013, 02:26:21 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Juice Bronston on July 12, 2013, 02:29:21 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. The public wants Mike Love. I want Mike Love. #mikeforpresidentofmusic Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 02:33:34 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? my personal feeling is: as amazing as Pet Sounds and SMILE are: they'd mean a whole lot less to us and would be that much less impressive if it weren't for all that came before and after. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 02:34:29 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jason on July 12, 2013, 02:41:09 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Funny troll is funny. I approve. Michael's the Greatest!! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 02:44:00 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Funny troll is funny. I approve. Michael's the Greatest!! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Micha on July 12, 2013, 02:47:16 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Even if we don't like it, Kokomo is very popular in our generation. I was even once asked to play Kokomo on the guitar after playing other BB tunes at a birthday party. 363 days passed since that happened, but I'll doubt I'll ever be motivated to actually learn it. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jason on July 12, 2013, 02:48:52 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Don Malcolm on July 12, 2013, 02:59:02 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Funny troll is funny. I approve. Michael's the Greatest!! True, but the really sobering thought is that it's sometimes not all that easy to tell them apart from...US!! (Cue the scream from "She's Goin' Bald" here....) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 03:04:15 PM What about Pet sounds or smile? What about them? They're great!Pet Sounds was a chart failure, and SMiLE failed because the drugged out Wilson's couldn't stand up straight, let alone make music. If you'll remember, Kokomo went to #1 internationally. I think it's pretty obvious what the public wants. Even if we don't like it, Kokomo is very popular in our generation. I was even once asked to play Kokomo on the guitar after playing other BB tunes at a birthday party. 363 days passed since that happened, but I'll doubt I'll ever be motivated to actually learn it. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 12, 2013, 03:10:12 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. I really do love it. But I tend to favor "South American" as well. "South American" might actually have a better hook though. Not sure it's close. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Cabinessenceking on July 12, 2013, 03:14:53 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 03:41:24 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Sheriff John Stone on July 12, 2013, 03:45:31 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 03:50:00 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Eeek! I can remember back when Pet Sounds was 25 years old!!!! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SIP Mike on July 12, 2013, 03:52:48 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Juice Bronston on July 12, 2013, 03:55:26 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. You'll be able to relax in the ample shade supplied by the vast number of Mike Love statues that will be erected in the sand. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 04:01:00 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SIP Mike on July 12, 2013, 04:10:14 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Juice Bronston on July 12, 2013, 04:12:55 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. You know, we should all take a trip down to Kokomo, go to the altar of Mike Love, and sacrifice a Beach Boy fan there. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 12, 2013, 04:23:40 PM Can we start with you?
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: drbeachboy on July 12, 2013, 04:24:09 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. You know, we should all take a trip down to Kokomo, go to the altar of Mike Love, and sacrifice a Beach Boy fan there. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 12, 2013, 04:25:14 PM great minds, Doctor... :lol
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: joshferrell on July 12, 2013, 04:26:50 PM Can we start with you? Me me me I want to be first... :lol Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jason on July 12, 2013, 04:38:43 PM Why would you sacrifice him? I have a feeling he'll be the source of many great, hilarious posts in the future.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 04:45:40 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. You know, we should all take a trip down to Kokomo, go to the altar of Mike Love, and sacrifice a Beach Boy fan there. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 04:57:34 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. You know, we should all take a trip down to Kokomo, go to the altar of Mike Love, and sacrifice a Beach Boy fan there. If Mordor was a real place, you can bet Mike/Bruce would have a gig booked! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 12, 2013, 05:00:29 PM Someone needs to photoshop the M&B band playing beneath Saurons eye ASAP.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: rab2591 on July 12, 2013, 05:01:59 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. You know, we should all take a trip down to Kokomo, go to the altar of Mike Love, and sacrifice a Beach Boy fan there. If Mordor was a real place, you can bet Mike/Bruce would have a gig booked! Only if Mordor had a Seaworld ;) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: hypehat on July 12, 2013, 05:16:30 PM Christopher Lee guest stars on Heroes & Villains?
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 05:20:49 PM Kokomo was popular for a few very simple reasons - great song, excellent hook, superb vocals from Carl and Michael, summertime vibe. It's a classic. it was perfect for a cheesy summer in a very cheesy decade, but now, 25 years later, the song sounds really shite. still some people dig it. there is greatness in diversity. I'm glad that at least someone appreciates ML's output, because he's been working at it for quite awhile. "shite" or no sh*t, it still comes off a whole lot better than a lot of shite hits of the era.... It's rather non-dated and is actually very very good once one's temper cools off. "Kokomo" is 25 years old! That's hard to believe. A quarter of a century old. I still remember the first time I heard it - on a Disney TV special. Where did the time go... :old Thanks for the support guys. 250 years from now, I know people will still be relaxing on sunny beaches listening to Kokomo. What support? Many of us liked Kokomo way before you blessed us with your presence here. As for the remainder of your post, you really don't have a clue regarding your Beach Boys facts. Glad you like it. Truly a timeless classic. You know, we should all take a trip down to Kokomo, go to the altar of Mike Love, and sacrifice a Beach Boy fan there. If Mordor was a real place, you can bet Mike/Bruce would have a gig booked! Only if Mordor had a Seaworld ;) Is has beaches basically around it's sea of molten lava. Or they can just do corporate parties for Sauraman! I would kill to see Christopher Lee guesting on Kokomo! .... After party in Shelob's lair! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 05:22:39 PM I think one of Mike's rings is Sauron's. He found it in 1968 and hasn't been the same since with the ring making him greedy.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Gertie J. on July 12, 2013, 05:35:00 PM i think you're onto sumthin'......
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 05:36:09 PM i think you're onto sumthin'...... Ah!!!!! The reason he wears so many is so the ONE won't stand out! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 05:37:39 PM I think Mike is starting to look like gollum as well. OSD is on the quest to destroy the one ring....
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 05:41:27 PM I think Mike is starting to look like gollum as well. OSD is on the quest to destroy the one ring.... Didn't The Beatles wanna do their own movie version of Lord Of The Rings??? Maybe Mike brandished the ring to Paul in India and said "Back off, pal" ........ "after I help you write Back In The USSR"! ;) Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: ontor pertawst on July 12, 2013, 05:47:20 PM WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!
Hey do-wop bam merry dol! ring a ding dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal down to Kokomo! Tom Bom bam, jolly Tom-a-lang, Tom Bombadillo! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 06:15:57 PM WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! Hey do-wop bam merry dol! ring a ding dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal down to Kokomo! Tom Bom bam, jolly Tom-a-lang, Tom Bombadillo! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! some tiny hobbit tries to put me down and says The Shire's great! I tell him right away, now what's the matter Frodo, ain't you hear of Mordor? It's number one in Middle Earth! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Gertie J. on July 12, 2013, 06:29:40 PM you guys are cookin'!!!!
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 06:36:18 PM i think you're onto sumthin'...... Ah!!!!! The reason he wears so many is so the ONE won't stand out! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 06:41:39 PM i think you're onto sumthin'...... Ah!!!!! The reason he wears so many is so the ONE won't stand out! I wonder if Sauraman would make Bruce put on some pants at the gig? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: SMiLE Brian on July 12, 2013, 06:44:50 PM i think you're onto sumthin'...... Ah!!!!! The reason he wears so many is so the ONE won't stand out! I wonder if Sauraman would make Bruce put on some pants at the gig? Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on July 12, 2013, 07:13:50 PM i think you're onto sumthin'...... Ah!!!!! The reason he wears so many is so the ONE won't stand out! I wonder if Sauraman would make Bruce put on some pants at the gig? He showed them success hating Dwarfs, Hobbits, and Elves who wears thew shorts!!!! Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 12, 2013, 09:05:30 PM I think Mike is starting to look like gollum as well. OSD is on the quest to destroy the one ring.... Didn't The Beatles wanna do their own movie version of Lord Of The Rings??? Yeah they did. It was shortlisted as a potential follow-up to "Help!" and it even went so far as the decision being made to cast John Lennon as Frodo. Another potential project was apparently a cowboy western entitled "A Talent For Loving" although little beyond the title is known about the project. Neither of these proposed ideas obviously went very far and allegedly The Beatles hoped that "Yellow Submarine" would instead fulfill their obligations to United Artists for a 3rd feature. Apparently despite the fact that YS featured The Beatles in a brief cameo at the end of the film, UA said "no dice" and therefore "Let It Be" ultimately became the means of fulfilling the contract to UA.* * Strangely though and quite contrastingly, "Let It Be" was originally supposed to be a made for television special instead of a feature film so I don't know how that would've fulfilled the UA contract. In the end it all obviously worked out well except for the band themselves of course. :-[ Edit: As for the two scrapped films: My only guess as to why they never got underway (even though a potential 3rd film was much discussed in late 1965 by the band) is that they didn't want to box themselves into writing a bunch of country western tunes and as far as LOTR goes probably felt uncomfortable writing music for a book/screenplay that was obviously not written with them specifically in mind. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Dudd on July 13, 2013, 01:15:19 AM I think Mike is starting to look like gollum as well. OSD is on the quest to destroy the one ring.... Didn't The Beatles wanna do their own movie version of Lord Of The Rings??? Yeah they did. It was shortlisted as a potential follow-up to "Help!" and it even went so far as the decision being made to cast John Lennon as Frodo. Another potential project was apparently a cowboy western entitled "A Talent For Loving" although little beyond the title is known about the project. Neither of these proposed ideas obviously went very far and allegedly The Beatles hoped that "Yellow Submarine" would instead fulfill their obligations to United Artists for a 3rd feature. Apparently despite the fact that YS featured The Beatles in a brief cameo at the end of the film, UA said "no dice" and therefore "Let It Be" ultimately became the means of fulfilling the contract to UA.* * Strangely though and quite contrastingly, "Let It Be" was originally supposed to be a made for television special instead of a feature film so I don't know how that would've fulfilled the UA contract. In the end it all obviously worked out well except for the band themselves of course. :-[ Edit: As for the two scrapped films: My only guess as to why they never got underway (even though a potential 3rd film was much discussed in late 1965 by the band) is that they didn't want to box themselves into writing a bunch of country western tunes and as far as LOTR goes probably felt uncomfortable writing music for a book/screenplay that was obviously not written with them specifically in mind. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: AndrewHickey on July 13, 2013, 05:34:20 AM Another potential project was apparently a cowboy western entitled "A Talent For Loving" although little beyond the title is known about the project. Tons is known about it. It was based on the 1961 bestselling novel by Richard Condon, and was eventually made by Walter Shenson, the Beatles' film producer, in 1969 with Richard Widmark and Cesar Romero. It's not very good -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065065/ Quote Edit: As for the two scrapped films: My only guess as to why they never got underway (even though a potential 3rd film was much discussed in late 1965 by the band) is that they didn't want to box themselves into writing a bunch of country western tunes and as far as LOTR goes probably felt uncomfortable writing music for a book/screenplay that was obviously not written with them specifically in mind. With Lord Of The Rings they couldn't buy the rights to the book -- depending on who you believe, Tolkein either turned them down because he didn't like their music or the rights had been sold the day before they enquired about them, for what became the Ralph Bakshi animated version. There were loads of other ideas that they talked about -- at one point they were going to do a version of The Three Musketeers (presumably at Richard Lester's instigation, since he filmed that himself later), and they also commissioned a script from Joe Orton, which was to have had the four of them as gay lovers. They turned that one down, and Richard Lester was going to make it starring Mick Jagger and Ian McKellan instead, but then Orton died and the project died with him. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Andrew G. Doe on July 13, 2013, 05:46:49 AM I believe the Orton script was called something like "Prick Up Your Ears".
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: ontor pertawst on July 13, 2013, 08:09:08 AM Nope. "Up Against It."
Orton: "the boys, in my script, have been caught in-flagrante, become involved in dubious political activity, dressed as women, committed murder, been put in prison and committed adultery." McCartney: "We didn't do it because it was gay." Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: JohnMill on July 13, 2013, 09:10:44 AM McCartney was also shortlisted (and if fact offered) the role of Romeo in "Romeo And Juliet" (1968). He turned it down.
Also for what it's worth there are at least three Wings related films that McCartney was in the process of putting together in the seventies none of which ever truly got off the ground. In addition "Rupert & The Frog Song" was originally conceptualized as a full length feature with complete soundtrack. Macca floated out "Rupert & The Frog Song" as a bit of a trailer attached to "Give My Regards To Broad Street" as to what a potential full length feature could be like and apparently back in the day there was enough interest to move forward with the project. However, somehow along the way the project got entangled in all sorts of legal woes and well the full length Rupert Bear film never materialized. Instead Macca got to working on "Tropic Island Hum" in the late eighties which finally saw release several years ago on DVD. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jonathan Blum on July 13, 2013, 08:59:30 PM Legend has it that the director of the Beatles LOTR was going to be Stanley Kubrick! :thud I heard Patrick McGoohan was in the frame at one point, right after "The Prisoner". *faints dead away* Cheers, Jon Blum Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Jay on July 13, 2013, 09:32:40 PM There was a book released sometime in the mid 1990's that listed every movie The Beatles did, plus a bunch of film ideas that never worked out. I was actually quite surprised with just how many aborted ideas and projects there were.
Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Phoenix on July 13, 2013, 09:47:37 PM For Smile, the failure was modular recording and frankly, too much music to assemble. Period. :police: :rock I don't know how people still can't see this. Talk about perpetuating myths. Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Don Malcolm on July 13, 2013, 09:54:55 PM WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN! Hey do-wop bam merry dol! ring a ding dong dillo! Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal down to Kokomo! Tom Bom bam, jolly Tom-a-lang, Tom Bombadillo! FINALLY...the last lost (along the riverun...) song by Syd Barrett has been exhumed from Middow Eart'...!! Ol' Tolkien was just a shoddy precursor to the man who wanted "to tell you a story...about a little man...if I can." (Ontor, I think you can seamlessly segue this one into "Bells of Madness" if you put on your thinkin' cap...) Problem was that, when Syd went off to Kokomo...he never came back. :tiptoe Title: Re: MIKE LOVE WANTS BRIAN WILSON BACK IN THE BEACH BOYS Post by: Tilt Araiza on July 14, 2013, 12:03:20 AM A radio version of Up Against It was made in 1997 (Damon Albarn was in it). I don't know about the radio version, but I've heard that Orton's script had no part for Paul.
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