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Title: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jimmie_R on April 11, 2013, 12:14:49 PM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on April 11, 2013, 12:20:30 PM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: c-man on April 11, 2013, 12:45:38 PM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html

Still, the more announcements here and elsewhere, the better...right??  :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on April 11, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html

Still, the more announcements here and elsewhere, the better...right??  :)

Why would you think that? I mean, there are already 3 or 4 threads on here (active threads too) about MiC. Why not just post the link there instead of clutter things up?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jason on April 11, 2013, 02:14:09 PM
Ahhhhhh, WMMR is one of the few good rock stations left in the Philadelphia area. Pierre Robert is a HUGE fan of the band, especially Brian.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 11, 2013, 02:18:13 PM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)
Except for release date change, it's the exact same wording from 2012.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jimmie_R on April 12, 2013, 01:13:52 AM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html

For 2 days before I posted... and since I didn´t know before that it was gonna be called "MIC" I couldn´t find the thread.
And god is it so hard to write the whole title?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 12, 2013, 01:16:53 AM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)
Except for release date change, it's the exactcsame wording from 2012.

You are Phil Cohen and I claim my $ 0.14


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: c-man on April 13, 2013, 08:16:12 AM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html

Still, the more announcements here and elsewhere, the better...right??  :)

Why would you think that? I mean, there are already 3 or 4 threads on here (active threads too) about MiC. Why not just post the link there instead of clutter things up?

Because I believe the more announcements, the better...certainly this one is better for someone who doesn't know that "MIC" stands for "Made In California", and also better because it has the supposed release date right there in the topic line.  Someone with limited time, doing a quick scan of the topics, can quickly find it. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 13, 2013, 08:28:44 AM
I have an idea folks!  If I could get another three of these made, connect 'em in pairs with big sticks and fasten some sort of gurney across 'em, I might be on to something!

(http://www.salvo.co.uk/images/userimgs/24704/29953_1.jpg)

Hey, the box set date's been announced? Someone ought to start a new thread!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: DisneySpirit on April 13, 2013, 09:16:58 AM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...

Disc: 1
1. Do It Again
2. Little Honda
3. Catch a Wave
4. Hawaii
5. Don't Back Down
6. Surfin' Safari
7. Surfer Girl
8. The Little Girl I Once Knew
9. Wendy
10. Getcha Back
11. Then I Kissed Her
12. Marcella
13. Isn't It Time
14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love
15. When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)
16. Disney Girls
17. Be True To Your School
18. Little Deuce Coupe
19. 409
20. Shut Down
21. I Get Around
Disc: 2
1. Pet Sounds
2. Add Some Music To Your Day
3. Heroes and Villains
4. Sail On, Sailor
5. California Saga: California
6. In My Room
7. All This Is That
8. That's Why God Made The Radio
9. Forever
10. God Only Knows
11. Sloop John B
12. Wouldn't It Be Nice
13. Good Vibrations
14. California Girls
15. Help Me Rhonda
16. Rock and Roll Music
17. Surfin' U.S.A.
18. Kokomo
19. Barbara Ann
20. Fun, Fun, Fun



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 13, 2013, 09:18:33 AM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...


That's the tracklist for the double live CD that comes out next month (about which we also have multiple threads) not for the box set that comes out in August and which isn't available for pre-order yet.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on April 13, 2013, 09:55:20 AM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html

Still, the more announcements here and elsewhere, the better...right??  :)

Why would you think that? I mean, there are already 3 or 4 threads on here (active threads too) about MiC. Why not just post the link there instead of clutter things up?

Because I believe the more announcements, the better...certainly this one is better for someone who doesn't know that "MIC" stands for "Made In California", and also better because it has the supposed release date right there in the topic line.  Someone with limited time, doing a quick scan of the topics, can quickly find it. 

That's a good point. We do love our WIBNTLA, CITFOTM, TWGMTR, etc... ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 13, 2013, 03:36:50 PM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...

Disc: 1
1. Do It Again
2. Little Honda
3. Catch a Wave
4. Hawaii
5. Don't Back Down
6. Surfin' Safari
7. Surfer Girl
8. The Little Girl I Once Knew
9. Wendy
10. Getcha Back
11. Then I Kissed Her
12. Marcella
13. Isn't It Time
14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love
15. When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)
16. Disney Girls
17. Be True To Your School
18. Little Deuce Coupe
19. 409
20. Shut Down
21. I Get Around
Disc: 2
1. Pet Sounds
2. Add Some Music To Your Day
3. Heroes and Villains
4. Sail On, Sailor
5. California Saga: California
6. In My Room
7. All This Is That
8. That's Why God Made The Radio
9. Forever
10. God Only Knows
11. Sloop John B
12. Wouldn't It Be Nice
13. Good Vibrations
14. California Girls
15. Help Me Rhonda
16. Rock and Roll Music
17. Surfin' U.S.A.
18. Kokomo
19. Barbara Ann
20. Fun, Fun, Fun



OK, so where are the other four discs ? And, y'know, isn't it an amazing coincidence that this track listing of yours is exactly the same as the one for the 2CD live set due in May ? How spooky is that ?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on April 13, 2013, 03:49:10 PM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...

Disc: 1
1. Do It Again
2. Little Honda
3. Catch a Wave
4. Hawaii
5. Don't Back Down
6. Surfin' Safari
7. Surfer Girl
8. The Little Girl I Once Knew
9. Wendy
10. Getcha Back
11. Then I Kissed Her
12. Marcella
13. Isn't It Time
14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love
15. When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)
16. Disney Girls
17. Be True To Your School
18. Little Deuce Coupe
19. 409
20. Shut Down
21. I Get Around
Disc: 2
1. Pet Sounds
2. Add Some Music To Your Day
3. Heroes and Villains
4. Sail On, Sailor
5. California Saga: California
6. In My Room
7. All This Is That
8. That's Why God Made The Radio
9. Forever
10. God Only Knows
11. Sloop John B
12. Wouldn't It Be Nice
13. Good Vibrations
14. California Girls
15. Help Me Rhonda
16. Rock and Roll Music
17. Surfin' U.S.A.
18. Kokomo
19. Barbara Ann
20. Fun, Fun, Fun



OK, so where are the other four discs ? And, y'know, isn't it an amazing coincidence that this track listing of yours is exactly the same as the one for the 2CD live set due in May ? How spooky is that ?

Somebody already beat you to it Andrew.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 13, 2013, 03:57:30 PM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...


That's the tracklist for the double live CD that comes out next month (about which we also have multiple threads) not for the box set that comes out in August and which isn't available for pre-order yet.

That was Andrew, Andrew! (I've been waiting to say this for years.  (Both being esteemed writers and all).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: oldsurferdude on April 13, 2013, 06:11:24 PM
Ahhhhhh, WMMR is one of the few good rock stations left in the Philadelphia area. Pierre Robert is a HUGE fan of the band, especially Brian.
Uh that's real swell and everything, but I'll bet they don't spin many BB/BW sides because they've got something that prevents that called a playlist.  ::)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: oldsurferdude on April 13, 2013, 06:18:56 PM
These should be backed out of the line up:

Little Honda
Hawaii
Wendy
Getcha Back
Why Do Fools Fall In luHv
Disney Girls
Be True To Your School
Add Some Music
Rock and Roll Music
Kohkohmoh
effin Barbara Ann





Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 13, 2013, 06:20:27 PM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...


That's the tracklist for the double live CD that comes out next month (about which we also have multiple threads) not for the box set that comes out in August and which isn't available for pre-order yet.

That was Andrew, Andrew! (I've been waiting to say this for years.  Both being famous writers and all).

I don't know if you'd call AGD famous, but I'm *certainly* not. I'm also only arguably a writer ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lowbacca on April 13, 2013, 07:07:09 PM
These should be backed out of the line up:

Little Honda
Hawaii
Wendy
Getcha Back
Why Do Fools Fall In luHv
Disney Girls
Be True To Your School
Add Some Music
Rock and Roll Music
Kohkohmoh
effin Barbara Ann

"Why Do Fools Fall In Love" was a damn impressive performance during the C50 tour. :ahh It needs to be on there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iy4b478Ko0


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Aegir on April 13, 2013, 09:21:54 PM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)
Except for release date change, it's the exactcsame wording from 2012.

You are Phil Cohen and I claim my $ 0.14

I am going to write an ambient instrumental song and call it "You Are Phil Cohen and I Claim My Fourteen Cents".


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 13, 2013, 09:30:28 PM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)
Except for release date change, it's the exactcsame wording from 2012.

You are Phil Cohen and I claim my $ 0.14

That's a low blow Don  :lol

I was pointing out that the website lifted the Alan Boyd statement/article wording from 2012.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 13, 2013, 11:15:00 PM
FWIW ::)

Track List from Amazon Pre-order...

Disc: 1
1. Do It Again
2. Little Honda
3. Catch a Wave
4. Hawaii
5. Don't Back Down
6. Surfin' Safari
7. Surfer Girl
8. The Little Girl I Once Knew
9. Wendy
10. Getcha Back
11. Then I Kissed Her
12. Marcella
13. Isn't It Time
14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love
15. When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)
16. Disney Girls
17. Be True To Your School
18. Little Deuce Coupe
19. 409
20. Shut Down
21. I Get Around
Disc: 2
1. Pet Sounds
2. Add Some Music To Your Day
3. Heroes and Villains
4. Sail On, Sailor
5. California Saga: California
6. In My Room
7. All This Is That
8. That's Why God Made The Radio
9. Forever
10. God Only Knows
11. Sloop John B
12. Wouldn't It Be Nice
13. Good Vibrations
14. California Girls
15. Help Me Rhonda
16. Rock and Roll Music
17. Surfin' U.S.A.
18. Kokomo
19. Barbara Ann
20. Fun, Fun, Fun



OK, so where are the other four discs ? And, y'know, isn't it an amazing coincidence that this track listing of yours is exactly the same as the one for the 2CD live set due in May ? How spooky is that ?

Somebody already beat you to it Andrew.

I know - I just felt like expressing my considerable amazement that someone couldn't differentiate between a 2CD live set and a 6CD box with a different title and release date.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 14, 2013, 03:33:17 AM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)
Except for release date change, it's the exactcsame wording from 2012.

You are Phil Cohen and I claim my $ 0.14

I am going to write an ambient instrumental song and call it "You Are Phil Cohen and I Claim My Fourteen Cents".

 :-D :-D :-D (= my highest accolade) - this is extremely funny and you already made my day, Aegir!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 14, 2013, 03:34:51 AM
The past 12 months have definitely been a treasure trove for Beach Boys fans -- with a new studio album, a couple of new live DVD's, and two new albums set for the next few months. The industry release sheet Musictap.net posted that on May 21st, the band will issue its sixth live collection, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour -- with the band's long-awaited deep cut box set Made In California set for August 27th.

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764 (http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764)
Except for release date change, it's the exactcsame wording from 2012.

You are Phil Cohen and I claim my $ 0.14

That's a low blow Don  :lol

I was pointing out that the website lifted the Alan Boyd statement/article wording from 2012.

 :-D I knew about your good intentions, of course. But I couldn't resist, the Philster is very capable of using each and any fact to 'prove' that something won't happen...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Howie Edelson on April 14, 2013, 07:10:23 AM
The WMMR piece was written by me for my nationally syndicated feed.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on April 14, 2013, 08:28:12 AM
We have already been discussing this for a few days now:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15484.0.html

Still, the more announcements here and elsewhere, the better...right??  :)

Why would you think that? I mean, there are already 3 or 4 threads on here (active threads too) about MiC. Why not just post the link there instead of clutter things up?

Because I believe the more announcements, the better...certainly this one is better for someone who doesn't know that "MIC" stands for "Made In California", and also better because it has the supposed release date right there in the topic line.  Someone with limited time, doing a quick scan of the topics, can quickly find it. 

Thanks for starting this thread c-man and ignore those moaning at you. I for one had given up on reading those other posts, they were just going round and round in circles, and seeing your new post was the first thing to alert me to the official MIC release date, so thanks! Great news. Can't wait!!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SloopJohnnyB on April 14, 2013, 09:40:04 AM
2013 is turning out to be another great year for the Beach Boys or should I say fans of the Beach Boys. Live CD set and  MIC box set on the way!

I'd rather see the five touring together but what can you do.

If there were a new studio album coming out this year I think it would be too much Beach Boy product at one time.

Maybe we WILL get a new studio album in 2014.

I know. I know. There was an agreement for a certain amount of shows. There was an end point. Blah, Blah, Blah.

Abandon Hope, All Ye Who Enter Here...  :angel: >:D



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 14, 2013, 09:45:41 AM
 :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: guitarfool2002 on April 14, 2013, 09:57:01 AM
Ahhhhhh, WMMR is one of the few good rock stations left in the Philadelphia area. Pierre Robert is a HUGE fan of the band, especially Brian.

I'm trying to figure out why you don't chime in more when I or one of the other Philly-area fans start talking Philly radio and the BB's.  :)  There have been several in the past two years.

One of the best was 94 WYSP in the 80's and early 90's. The late and much-missed Ed Sciaky had a show Sunday nights called "The Sunday Night Alternative" where he'd spin BB's, and a watershed moment for me and Philly radio was when he spun the Smile tracks as soon as they became official on the box set in an uninterrupted block of every Smile-related track on the box. Who does that anymore?

If Ed and his free-form Sunday show were still around, I know he's do the same when the new box set comes out.

WYSP also played - uninterrupted and commercial free - entire CD's when classic albums were coming out on disc for the first time. They spun Pet Sounds, the Concert/Live In London 2-fer, and other BB's albums which was great for me as I saved my money to buy the actual discs but could have a cassette to play in the meantime.

Another 'YSP treat was a wild free-form show, playlists be damned, called "The Ricky Mess" with DJ Rick Allen, who worked the overnight shift. He'd spin anything, including BB's deep cuts and Monkees. Very cool.

Hard to believe but I still have a bias against 'MMR going back to when Stern declared war on DeBella and his Morning Zoo on 'MMR, and I never listened beyond that although DeBella redeemed himself and Pierre Robert is a very knowledgeable and cool music guy all-around.

For Philly radio now, related to BB's, check 88.5 WXPN, especially the show "Many Moods Of Ben Vaughn", which airs Saturdays at 5 and is also streamed online as a podcast, I believe. Every few weeks he pulls out a late 60's BB's track or several, and I think the Friends-20/20 era may be his favorite because most of what he plays comes from those albums. The regular hosts especially on weekends and request shows throw in some deep BB's tracks every so often, and that's where I first heard That's Why God Made The Radio on the radio.

If Pierre does do something special for the box set, keep us posted, I'll definitely tune in. It would be great to have had Ed Sciaky on the Philly airwaves as all of the incredible releases of the past few years have been coming out, I know he'd be playing the Smile box for sure, as he would the upcoming set.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: OGoldin on April 14, 2013, 10:52:30 AM
I was a teenager in the Philadelphia area in the early 70s.  I remember that "Feel Flows" and other songs from "Surf's Up" were on heavy rotation on WMMR at the time.  I give them credit for permanently ensconcing the Beach Boys as cool within my own consciousness.

The station went from "underground radio" to a more heavy metal/mainstream rock format within several years, but left some room for the aesthetic judgment of the djs -- in the 80s Michael Tearson told me the station was a benevolent dictatorship.  Glad to see that the stations still has some aesthetic credibility.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: guitarfool2002 on April 14, 2013, 11:02:23 AM
I was a teenager in the Philadelphia area in the early 70s.  I remember that "Feel Flows" and other songs from "Surf's Up" were on heavy rotation on WMMR at the time.  I give them credit for permanently ensconcing the Beach Boys as cool within my own consciousness.

The station went from "underground radio" to a more heavy metal/mainstream rock format within several years, but left some room for the aesthetic judgment of the djs -- in the 80s Michael Tearson told me the station was a benevolent dictatorship.  Glad to see that the stations still has some aesthetic credibility.

WMMR used to be - like Boston's WBCN in the 70's - a powerhouse of an FM station, living up to it's rock and free-form cred. But in the 80's I could hardly listen - it was bordering on parody and something of a farce, where they'd have parades of Philly executive types parading down the street in Hawaiian shirts singing "Louie Louie" and other such nonsense that had nothing to do with playing good records. All of that "Morning Zoo" stuff was hard to take, which is why I'm still a little biased against them. A great, rocking FM station was turned into mush in the 80's.

After Stern and 'YSP decimated those Zookeepers over at 93.3 (not just morning drive but all day and night in the ratings), and took all their ratings in a matter of a few years, WMMR tried switching to one of the most well-documented failures in recent radio history, doing a format called "Rock And Jock" radio, where they'd have amped-up jock talkers and sports guys like Howard Eskin talking about the fucking Flyers games in between playing lame metal records. Colossal flop and embarrassment. Soon to be followed by a switch to almost all metal music, then "classic metal", then "classic hard rock"...I don't know how a true music lover like Pierre Robert hung around, but it's good he did.

If they're on somewhat of a steadier ground format-wise, and not playing Scorpions records as "classic metal", I'll give them another try.  :)

But for sure, they were one of the best rock stations in the country in the 70's, no doubt.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on April 14, 2013, 11:57:42 AM
The WMMR piece was written by me for my nationally syndicated feed.

Just curious, why did you call it a "deep cut" box set, unless you know something we don't.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 14, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
The WMMR piece was written by me for my nationally syndicated feed.
Sorry Howie, my mistake. I cofused the dates of different MIC news tidbits.
http://www.wxhc.com/music-news.php?id=4233  Your Alan Boyd quote only appears in your cooy as far as I can tell.

Speaking of Alan Boyd, it's been repeatedly stated on this board that Alan isn't involved in the making of MIC but
http://www.famebureau.com/beach-boys-archives.html says Alan is producing the boxset. Do you have any more nuggets of information you would care to share?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: buddhahat on April 14, 2013, 12:30:28 PM
The WMMR piece was written by me for my nationally syndicated feed.

Just curious, why did you call it a "deep cut" box set, unless you know something we don't.

Yes I saw this 'deep cut' thing mentioned elsewhere. What's the source for this?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 14, 2013, 12:51:29 PM
The WMMR piece was written by me for my nationally syndicated feed.

Just curious, why did you call it a "deep cut" box set, unless you know something we don't.

Yes I saw this 'deep cut' thing mentioned elsewhere. What's the source for this?
Howie's copy from his news feed.

Howie  is a esteemed rock writer with deep, solid contacts into the Beach Boys world.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on April 14, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
"Deep cuts".

Album tracks. Not just the hits. B-sides. A non-commercial track that isn't heard on the radio much. Alternate and unreleased tracks.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Real Barnyard on April 15, 2013, 06:39:36 AM
Made in California advertised at the Hotline of Beach Boys Fan Club:

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 15, 2013, 07:02:59 AM
Made in California advertised at the Hotline of Beach Boys Fan Club:

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/

Wonder where that info came from… possibly the same source as the tracklist that was posted here a day or three ago?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 15, 2013, 07:10:47 AM
Made in California advertised at the Hotline of Beach Boys Fan Club:

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/

Wonder where that info came from… possibly the same source as the tracklist that was posted here a day or three ago?

Two great minds...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on April 15, 2013, 07:45:58 AM
Made in California advertised at the Hotline of Beach Boys Fan Club:

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/

Well there ya go, no more doubts about the release date.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 15, 2013, 08:04:35 AM
Made in California advertised at the Hotline of Beach Boys Fan Club:

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/

Well there ya go, no more doubts about the release date.

It says it's 'tentatively' set for that date.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on April 15, 2013, 09:03:07 AM
Made in California advertised at the Hotline of Beach Boys Fan Club:

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/

Well there ya go, no more doubts about the release date.

It says it's 'tentatively' set for that date.

I was being sarcastic  :tiptoe


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SonicVolcano on April 16, 2013, 01:47:46 AM
Later than I expected, but at least there is a date now :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Emdeeh on April 16, 2013, 09:20:43 AM
Wonder where that info came from… possibly the same source as the tracklist that was posted here a day or three ago?

Yes, it came from the exact same article(s). BBFC monitors this site too. ;)

The tracklisting link was placed under the wrong Hotline item, tho -- it was supposed to be for the live album and has been fixed.




Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on April 16, 2013, 10:06:41 AM
So it's you, MDH!  I always thought Alice Lillie was running that site!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 16, 2013, 10:57:37 AM
Speaking of Alan Boyd, it's been repeatedly stated on this board that Alan isn't involved in the making of MIC but
http://www.famebureau.com/beach-boys-archives.html says Alan is producing the boxset. Do you have any more nuggets of information you would care to share?

Alan removed himself from the project last year, but in November he told me Mike had persuaded him to return to it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 16, 2013, 11:03:55 AM
Speaking of Alan Boyd, it's been repeatedly stated on this board that Alan isn't involved in the making of MIC but
http://www.famebureau.com/beach-boys-archives.html says Alan is producing the boxset. Do you have any more nuggets of information you would care to share?

Alan removed himself from the project last year, but in November he told me Mike had persuaded him to return to it.

I know Mr. Boyd had some health issues but  it's wonderful to know he is feeling well enough to helm this project.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 16, 2013, 11:20:11 AM
I know Mr. Boyd had some health issues but  it's wonderful to know he is feeling well enough to helm this project.

His health wasn't the issue, but yeah, he's totally fine now.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on April 16, 2013, 11:30:40 AM
I know Mr. Boyd had some health issues but  it's wonderful to know he is feeling well enough to helm this project.

His health wasn't the issue, but yeah, he's totally fine now.

Now you've done it, people are going to ask what the issue actually was and possibly make wild assumptions and slag Mike off into the bargain.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 16, 2013, 11:39:26 AM
I know Mr. Boyd had some health issues but  it's wonderful to know he is feeling well enough to helm this project.

His health wasn't the issue, but yeah, he's totally fine now.

Now you've done it, people are going to ask what the issue actually was and possibly make wild assumptions and slag Mike off into the bargain.

Yep -- even though it was apparently Mike who persuaded him back on to the project.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on April 16, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
I know Mr. Boyd had some health issues but  it's wonderful to know he is feeling well enough to helm this project.

His health wasn't the issue, but yeah, he's totally fine now.

Now you've done it, people are going to ask what the issue actually was and possibly make wild assumptions and slag Mike off into the bargain.

Yep -- even though it was apparently Mike who persuaded him back on to the project.

SO: what major faux pas did Mike commit , at Alan's expense, for which he had to grovel and apologize so as to get Alan back on board?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on April 16, 2013, 12:04:07 PM
I'm glad to hear that Alan is back on MiC. Thanks for sharing that tidbit ponghit.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 16, 2013, 12:06:20 PM
I know Mr. Boyd had some health issues but  it's wonderful to know he is feeling well enough to helm this project.

His health wasn't the issue, but yeah, he's totally fine now.

Now you've done it, people are going to ask what the issue actually was and possibly make wild assumptions and slag Mike off into the bargain.

Yep -- even though it was apparently Mike who persuaded him back on to the project.
No doubt Mike was vetoing WIBNTLA, CMH, and every other DW vault track and Alan only came back when Mike relented.

 :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 16, 2013, 12:43:47 PM
Wild assumptions or do folk know that Boyd left due to interference by Mike or anyone else? Do we even know he was involved for the outset?

I assumed from that news that Boyd was invited on to the project by Mike who, as a shrewd business guy, saw the success of TSS and invited Boyd on to this project in the hope that his expertise and dedication and previous record and the way he seems to work so well with Mark Linett would help steer this project to similar success.

But admittedly that's just my own assumption.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 16, 2013, 01:08:15 PM
Wild assumptions or do folk know that Boyd left due to interference by Mike or anyone else? Do we even know he was involved for the outset?

I assumed from that news that Boyd was invited on to the project by Mike who, as a shrewd business guy, saw the success of TSS and invited Boyd on to this project in the hope that his expertise and dedication and previous record and the way he seems to work so well with Mark Linett would help steer this project to similar success.

But admittedly that's just my own assumption.
PongHit, who knows Alan, says Alan left the project and Mike got him to come back. Not Mike had invited him  onto the projecy in the first place, "Alan removed himself from the project last year, but in November he told me Mike had persuaded him to return to it."

Seemed quite weird to me when I heard the Beach Boys Archivist wasn't involved in their career spanning, 6 CD boxset. Seems Alan is quite the gentleman and wouldn't speak ill of a band member. Would not surprise me that a band member  or representative made Alan leave the project in the first place.

Knowing Alan's love for WIBNTLA, I am 100% sure it will be on the box.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on April 16, 2013, 01:30:21 PM
Maybe Mike told Boyd that the shoes he was wearing were the ugliest he'd ever seen...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on April 16, 2013, 01:59:47 PM
Maybe Mike keyed Boyds car.

Maybe Mike kept taking Boyds yoghurt out of the studio fridge.

Maybe Mike fired a gun in the studio.

Maybe Mike went to a Chaos Band concert and booed loudly.

Maybe Mike loves the crack pipe.

Maybe Mike insisted on doing all his parts in tight fitting swimwear.

Maybe Mike spilled apple juice over the board.

Maybe Mike vetoed every song with a Brian Wilson writing credit, even if he also had one.

Maybe Mike vetoed every song on the boxset with any writing credit, leaving a boxset of Sloop John B, Michael Row The Boat Ashore, Auld Lang Syne, and The Battle Hymn Of The Republic. Especially The Battle Hymn Of The Republic

Maybe Mike found the Country Love mastertapes

Maybe Mike's dog is an asshole

Maybe Mike had a really bad illness and wouldn't go to the doctors but instead insisted on working and just complained about how ill he was all the time.

Maybe Mike had really bad gas.

Maybe Mike said that Boyd had bad ESP

Maybe Mike kept reading the dirty parts of 50 Shades Of Grey out loud.

Maybe Mike asked someone in earshot who the hell this Alan Boyd guy was, anyway.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: oldsurferdude on April 16, 2013, 02:13:25 PM
Maybe Mike keyed Boyds car.

Maybe Mike kept taking Boyds yoghurt out of the studio fridge.

Maybe Mike fired a gun in the studio.

Maybe Mike went to a Chaos Band concert and booed loudly.

Maybe Mike loves the crack pipe.

Maybe Mike insisted on doing all his parts in tight fitting swimwear.

Maybe Mike spilled apple juice over the board.

Maybe Mike vetoed every song with a Brian Wilson writing credit, even if he also had one.

Maybe Mike vetoed every song on the boxset with any writing credit, leaving a boxset of Sloop John B, Michael Row The Boat Ashore, Auld Lang Syne, and The Battle Hymn Of The Republic. Especially The Battle Hymn Of The Republic

Maybe Mike found the Country Love mastertapes

Maybe Mike's dog is an asshole

Maybe Mike had a really bad illness and wouldn't go to the doctors but instead insisted on working and just complained about how ill he was all the time.

Maybe Mike had really bad gas.

Maybe Mike said that Boyd had bad ESP

Maybe Mike kept reading the dirty parts of 50 Shades Of Grey out loud.

Maybe Mike asked someone in earshot who the hell this Alan Boyd guy was, anyway.

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on April 16, 2013, 02:57:06 PM
Maybe Mike kept using the master of WIBNTLA as a coaster to rest his jug of apple juice on.

Maybe Mike insisted that Stamos re-recorded every single drum part that Dennis ever did.

Maybe Mike kept leaving the toilet seat up.

Maybe Mike exposed himself to some little kids.





Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 16, 2013, 03:03:05 PM

Mike was not to blame, and I didn't intend to imply he was — in fact, seems to me Mike was/is super-cool to Alan. Anyway, it hardly matters now — Mark & Alan are doing the box as it should be. Water under the bridge.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on April 16, 2013, 03:12:42 PM

Mike was not to blame, and I didn't intend to imply he was — in fact, seems to me Mike was/is super-cool to Alan. Anyway, it hardly matters now — Mark & Alan are doing the box as it should be. Water under the bridge.

We know that you didn't imply Mike was the reason Alan initially left the project - we just joking around and doing what normally happens around here which is to blame Mike for everything!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 16, 2013, 03:20:50 PM
...just joking around and doing what normally happens around here which is to blame Mike for everything!

In this instance, we have Mike to thank for bringing the indispensable Mr. Boyd back to the project.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 16, 2013, 03:24:10 PM

Mike was not to blame, and I didn't intend to imply he was — in fact, seems to me Mike was/is super-cool to Alan. Anyway, it hardly matters now — Mark & Alan are doing the box as it should be. Water under the bridge.

Relieved for that clarification!  MAny thanks.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 16, 2013, 03:51:52 PM

Incidentally, about a year ago Alan was nice enough to let me preview material for the box at his house — details here:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.msg258046.html#msg258046 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.msg258046.html#msg258046)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 16, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
That thread really is a teaser for MIC.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 16, 2013, 04:16:11 PM

Incidentally, about a year ago Alan was nice enough to let me preview material for the box at his house — details here:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.msg258046.html#msg258046 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.msg258046.html#msg258046)

That thread certainly is an interesting one to read.

If you can remember, how much of the stuff that you heard do you think could be 'releasable' on the box set? Obviously it's just speculation but did most of it seem like stuff that wouldn't have been out of place on the 1993 box set for example?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on April 16, 2013, 04:25:17 PM

Incidentally, about a year ago Alan was nice enough to let me preview material for the box at his house — details here:

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.msg258046.html#msg258046 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12489.msg258046.html#msg258046)

Goosebumps.  :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 16, 2013, 04:41:02 PM
If you can remember, how much of the stuff that you heard do you think could be 'releasable' on the box set? Obviously it's just speculation but did most of it seem like stuff that wouldn't have been out of place on the 1993 box set for example?

I'd say most of it is releasable — but rather than the '93 box, I'd say some of the material wouldn't be out of place on HAWTHORNE.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: aeijtzsche on April 16, 2013, 10:23:40 PM
Wild assumptions or do folk know that Boyd left due to interference by Mike or anyone else? Do we even know he was involved for the outset?

I assumed from that news that Boyd was invited on to the project by Mike who, as a shrewd business guy, saw the success of TSS and invited Boyd on to this project in the hope that his expertise and dedication and previous record and the way he seems to work so well with Mark Linett would help steer this project to similar success.

But admittedly that's just my own assumption.

I don't have any inside info, as such, but remember that working on Beach Boys stuff is not all just sitting around listening to unreleased stuff, as you know.  It's really quite a lot of work, and Alan and Mark have often put aside their personal projects to do Beach Boys stuff.  I mean, it's an incredible testament to how much they love the music.  Mark probably has had to turn down interesting engineering gigs, and Alan has all kinds of fantastic film-related projects in development, and of course is such a talented musician in his own right.  One of these days our beloved box-set producer maestri are going to get to sit back on a beach somewhere and get to pursue their other interests, no holds barred.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Quzi on April 17, 2013, 01:03:14 AM
Maybe Mike keyed Boyds car.

Mike kept taking Boyds yoghurt out of the studio fridge.

Mike fired a gun in the studio.

Mike went to a Chaos Band concert and booed loudly.

Mike loves the crack pipe.

Mike insisted on doing all his parts in tight fitting swimwear.

Mike spilled apple juice over the board.

Mike vetoed every song with a Brian Wilson writing credit, even if he also had one.

Mike vetoed every song on the boxset with any writing credit, leaving a boxset of Sloop John B, Michael Row The Boat Ashore, Auld Lang Syne, and The Battle Hymn Of The Republic. Especially The Battle Hymn Of The Republic

Mike found the Country Love mastertapes

Mike's dog is an asshole

Mike had a really bad illness and wouldn't go to the doctors but instead insisted on working and just complained about how ill he was all the time.

Mike had really bad gas.

Mike said that Boyd had bad ESP

Mike kept reading the dirty parts of 50 Shades Of Grey out loud.

Mike asked someone in earshot who the hell this Alan Boyd guy was, anyway.


To the tabloids!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on April 17, 2013, 03:33:29 AM
...just joking around and doing what normally happens around here which is to blame Mike for everything!

In this instance, we have Mike to thank for bringing the indispensable Mr. Boyd back to the project.

Finally, he does SOMETHING GOOD for once  ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on April 17, 2013, 04:41:28 AM
Only problem is we now know Mike is heavily involved in the project, oh no  :o

A whole disc devoted to "sumahama"  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on April 17, 2013, 05:09:19 AM
Several years ago, adamghost made a few posts about some of the recordings that Alan Boyd had on his Ipod(I believe it was an Ipod). From the little that I can recall, adamghost listed some songs that were a treasure trove of recordings from the KTSA sessions/era. Perhaps if adamghost sees this post he might be willing to share any details or song titles. Or perhaps I may have unwittingly just put Adam and Alan in some hot water...I hope not.   :-X


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on April 17, 2013, 05:16:46 AM
Several years ago, adamghost made a few posts about some of the recordings that Alan Boyd had on his Ipod(I believe it was an Ipod). From the little that I can recall, adamghost listed some songs that were a treasure trove of recordings from the KTSA sessions/era. Perhaps if adamghost sees this post he might be willing to share any details or song titles. Or perhaps I may have unwittingly just put Adam and Alan in some hot water...I hope not.   :-X

You should do as the British participants in 'Have I Got News For You' do: the editor of satirical mag Private Eye, Ian Hislop, gets away with everything under the sun, by inserting 'allegedly' frequently in his statements, where these are of a politically sensitive or explosive nature.

Or start such references to past events with: 'yesterday I overheard the following in a bar'.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 17, 2013, 07:03:44 AM
Several years ago, adamghost made a few posts about some of the recordings that Alan Boyd had on his Ipod(I believe it was an Ipod). From the little that I can recall, adamghost listed some songs that were a treasure trove of recordings from the KTSA sessions/era. Perhaps if adamghost sees this post he might be willing to share any details or song titles. Or perhaps I may have unwittingly just put Adam and Alan in some hot water...I hope not.   :-X

MArk Dillon refers to some KTSA tracks in his "50 Shades of Beach Boys" book. Only passing mentions, in the chapter in which Randy Bachman talks about the track KTSA and just how good the Beach Boys woulda been if he'd been allowed to join.  Me too…


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on April 17, 2013, 09:07:02 AM
Would not surprise me that a band member  or representative made Alan leave the project in the first place.

Not the reason. As with most matters BB-related, the backstory will doubtless emerge in the fullness of time.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Quzi on April 17, 2013, 09:35:45 AM
Several years ago, adamghost made a few posts about some of the recordings that Alan Boyd had on his Ipod(I believe it was an Ipod). From the little that I can recall, adamghost listed some songs that were a treasure trove of recordings from the KTSA sessions/era. Perhaps if adamghost sees this post he might be willing to share any details or song titles. Or perhaps I may have unwittingly just put Adam and Alan in some hot water...I hope not.   :-X

Was just browsing through the KTSA thread and found this:

One of the privileges of touring with Alan Boyd was I got to listen to his I-Pod one day in the back of the van.  There were several KTSA outtakes on there that were superior to what was on the album.  "Surfer Suzie" is a kickass track but too retro-surfer goofy for my taste (more than "Some of Your Love").  "I Will Always Love You" was a Carl-sung power ballad that, IMHO, they really should have put on there, because it sounds like a huge CHR hit circa 1980.  It would have been out of sync on the album -- but that's why.  And Brian's version of "Smoky Places" was fun a listen, and a good vocal from him.  I did not think that was true of "Oh!  Darling"  Yes, Brian's vocal had more of an edge to it, but the problem is the song just plods; it's dull as dishwater.

My take on KTSA; title track, Santa Ana Winds are great (I disagree that the L.A. version is better though the processing on Al's vocals very nearly ruins the KTSA version); Goin' On and Endless Harmony are good; Sunshine, Oh!  Darling and WGGT are atrocious.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jason on April 17, 2013, 09:39:48 AM
I'll Always Love You, meaning a cover of the Barry Mann hit.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 17, 2013, 10:54:05 AM
The amazing thing about KTSA is how much effort they put into making such a weak album.

Hopefully there are some originals from that era that might be releasable though. Maybe Goin' to the Beach, Starbaby or How's About a Little Bit...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 17, 2013, 11:47:03 AM
...songs that were a treasure trove of recordings from the KTSA sessions/era.

The only unreleased KTSA/1979 tracks I remember from Alan's house were "Why Didn't I Tell You?," and "Little Girl (Sunshine)," which had a note: "rough mix with scratch vocal."


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 17, 2013, 11:53:57 AM

The only unreleased KTSA/1979 tracks I remember from Alan's house were "Why Didn't I Tell You?," and "Little Girl (Sunshine)," which had a note: "rough mix with scratch vocal."

Why Didn't I Tell You? became Goin' On? Is that right?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 17, 2013, 12:11:23 PM
Why Didn't I Tell You? became Goin' On? Is that right?

I have no clue, but someone here must know.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on April 17, 2013, 12:15:28 PM
The amazing thing about KTSA is how much effort they put into making such a weak album.

Hopefully there are some originals from that era that might be releasable though. Maybe Goin' to the Beach, Starbaby or How's About a Little Bit...

Please god no, Goin' To The Beach is terrible and does not deserve an official release.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Quzi on April 17, 2013, 12:39:03 PM
Why Didn't I Tell You? became Goin' On? Is that right?

I have no clue, but someone here must know.

Did the version of "Why Didn't I Tell You" you listened to have lyrics PongHit?

The booted version of "Why Didn't I Tell You" is practically an instrumental "Goin' On" but instead of the vocal intro/reprise you have CRAZY drum solos, completely out of time and place. I think the bass line is a bit different, but nothing too major, it walks up for 2 bars where "Goin' On" goes down, I recall the synth is a little louder too. If you synced the two tracks you'd probably have a slightly better "Goin' On" (though you'd have to remove those really out of place drum solos, I can't imagine where Brian was going with that, it sounds as if the track is having a seizure)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 17, 2013, 01:57:03 PM
Did the version of "Why Didn't I Tell You" you listened to have lyrics PongHit?

Sorry, I don't remember. Whatever it was apparently didn't make a big impression on me.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ontor pertawst on April 17, 2013, 01:58:34 PM
What about that Devo collaboration with Al Jardine lead vocals on "Worried Man Blues" -- oh wait, that's fictitious.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 17, 2013, 02:04:06 PM
What about that Devo collaboration with Al Jardine lead vocals on "Worried Man Blues" -- oh wait, that's fictitious.

After being fired, Murry had to catch a new wave:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/307634_146212412134713_5304715_n.jpg)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 17, 2013, 02:09:03 PM
What about that Devo collaboration with Al Jardine lead vocals on "Worried Man Blues" -- oh wait, that's fictitious.

OT, but coincidentally, I was editor & interviewer for Devo's only biographical book (http://amazon.com/We-Are-Devo-Not-Men/dp/0946719764/ (http://amazon.com/We-Are-Devo-Not-Men/dp/0946719764/)), and I'm currently the Consulting Producer of the forthcoming official DEVO documentary film: DEVOfilm.com (http://DEVOfilm.com)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on April 17, 2013, 02:39:11 PM
What about that Devo collaboration with Al Jardine lead vocals on "Worried Man Blues" -- oh wait, that's fictitious.

OT, but coincidentally, I was editor & interviewer for Devo's only biographical book (http://amazon.com/We-Are-Devo-Not-Men/dp/0946719764/ (http://amazon.com/We-Are-Devo-Not-Men/dp/0946719764/)), and I'm currently the Consulting Producer of the forthcoming official DEVO documentary film: DEVOfilm.com (http://DEVOfilm.com)

Cool.  Did you get your very own energy dome hat?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Theydon Bois on April 17, 2013, 03:07:53 PM
http://duck.fm/The+Beach+Boys/Made+In+California

If this is the real track list, it's not quite everything I hoped for.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ontor pertawst on April 17, 2013, 03:12:53 PM
What about that Devo collaboration with Al Jardine lead vocals on "Worried Man Blues" -- oh wait, that's fictitious.

OT, but coincidentally, I was editor & interviewer for Devo's only biographical book (http://amazon.com/We-Are-Devo-Not-Men/dp/0946719764/ (http://amazon.com/We-Are-Devo-Not-Men/dp/0946719764/)), and I'm currently the Consulting Producer of the forthcoming official DEVO documentary film: DEVOfilm.com (http://DEVOfilm.com)

Loved the early days stories in the book. More early b&w videos please!

We now return to our regularly scheduled box set.


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http://duck.fm/The+Beach+Boys/Made+In+California

If this is the real track list, it's not quite everything I hoped for.

Ooo, the coveted six hour long version of Surfin' Safari. Apparently it makes Sister Ray look like... Sister Ray.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on April 17, 2013, 03:14:21 PM
http://duck.fm/The+Beach+Boys/Made+In+California

If this is the real track list, it's not quite everything I hoped for.

Actually, I bet one of the public domain CD companies could make a *killing* now if they put out a CD set of the Surfin' Safari sessions and called it Made In California...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on April 17, 2013, 04:06:15 PM
Cool.  Did you get your very own energy dome hat?

Been a fan since age 9, starting becoming friends with the band at age 18, but oddly have never owned an Energy Dome.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ontor pertawst on April 17, 2013, 04:12:40 PM
I just stick with the tyvek jumpsuits.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on April 25, 2013, 04:17:07 PM
I wonder if "We Got Love" would make the box set.  Like "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again," it was slated to be on an album and pulled.
I would think Mike's involvement co-writing the track would have pushed its release by now.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 25, 2013, 04:23:00 PM
I wonder if "We Got Love" would make the box set.  Like "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again," it was slated to be on an album and pulled.
I would think Mike's involvement co-writing the track would have pushed its release by now.

I think it should be a contender.

I'm not sure why you think Mike having a writing credit would make any difference? There are dozens and dozens of unreleased Mike Love songs in the vaults (many substandard of course) and he has never pushed for any to be included on a rarities collection as far as I know. There probably should be about 15-20 songs on MIC with a Mike writing credit that weren't on the 1993 box set anyway...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on April 25, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
I'm not sure why you think Mike having a writing credit would make any difference?

Just figured he'd push for his work to be included.  Not a big deal.  Royalties.

Is "Won't You Tell Me" really a Beach Boys recording?  I think it's from 1969.  
Sometimes with the quality of boots, you never know.

There's also the 1976 version of "Sherry She Needs Me."

Man, they can do 6 discs of just rarities.  But they won't.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on April 25, 2013, 04:26:51 PM
I wonder if "We Got Love" would make the box set.  Like "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again," it was slated to be on an album and pulled.
I would think Mike's involvement co-writing the track would have pushed its release by now.

I think it should be a contender.

I'm not sure why you think Mike having a writing credit would make any difference? There are dozens and dozens of unreleased Mike Love songs in the vaults (many substandard of course) and he has never pushed for any to be included on a rarities collection as far as I know. There probably should be about 15-20 songs on MIC with a Mike writing credit that weren't on the 1993 box set anyway...

Eh, but then they have some weird aversion to Blondie and Ricky, even though they were so cool and looked to have fitted in sweetly with the new era 72 Beach Boys. They were probably the best thing to have happened to them at that point, tbh. But no, you won't hear from them during the C50 thing because they weren't founding members, which I respect, but I'll get back to my petition.

sh*t, what even is Ricky Fataar doing nowadays?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on April 25, 2013, 04:33:39 PM
Ricky Fataar is still playing with Bonnie Raitt's band, which he has been doing for a very long time.  The band is phenomenal...Mike Finnigan on keys and Bonnie on Guitar....killer band. Watch their Austin City Limits set if you can find it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 25, 2013, 04:34:47 PM
Just figured he'd push for his work to be included.  Not a big deal.  Royalties.

Is "Won't You Tell Me" really a Beach Boys recording?  I think it's from 1969.  
Sometimes with the quality of boots, you never know.

There's also the 1976 version of "Sherry She Needs Me."

Man, they can do 6 discs of just rarities.  But they won't.

Won't You Tell Me was a Murry Wilson song I think. Little chance of it being included.

I understand what you mean about Mike but I think the image of him scheming ways to include his songs (and omit Dennis's) is a myth. All of the rarities albums that have been released have included a lot of Dennis's stuff and very little of Mike's.

I would have thought the new box would include songs like Hawaii, Let Him Run Wild, Kiss Me Baby, All I Wanna Do, Big Sur (early version), It's A Beautiful Day, Somewhere Near Japan etc. and a lot more that weren't on the 1993 box. If you add on all of the classic songs that Mike has a writing credit for then I don't think he is going to have much cause for concern.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on April 25, 2013, 04:36:43 PM
Ricky Fataar is still playing with Bonnie Raitt's band, which he has been doing for a very long time.  The band is phenomenal...Mike Finnigan on keys and Bonnie on Guitar....killer band. Watch their Austin City Limits set if you can find it.

Will look, I was half scared someone would say 'he's DEAD' which would slow my roll somewhat. Thanks!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Matt H on April 25, 2013, 05:20:24 PM
...songs that were a treasure trove of recordings from the KTSA sessions/era.

The only unreleased KTSA/1979 tracks I remember from Alan's house were "Why Didn't I Tell You?," and "Little Girl (Sunshine)," which had a note: "rough mix with scratch vocal."

I have heard that the Ed Carter song, "Surfer Suzie" is really good.  I have never heard it, but AGD's website shows it with a lead by Al.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on April 25, 2013, 10:08:21 PM
Won't You Tell Me is a Murry song but Brian and Carl sing it well. It's from 1971.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on April 26, 2013, 06:30:30 PM
If we haven't already, we should do a thread on the top 5-10 things we would want in this box if we were the ones putting it together.

I agree with the other poster who said he may be more excited about the tracklisting for this than the SMiLE Sessions.. because here
we just have no idea what we're going to get.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on April 26, 2013, 07:25:49 PM
I said that. It is incredibly exciting.

Only three things in life are certain, death, taxes and my excitement for Made In California.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Awesoman on April 27, 2013, 07:30:52 AM
If we haven't already, we should do a thread on the top 5-10 things we would want in this box if we were the ones putting it together.


Let's not.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on April 27, 2013, 11:54:47 AM
Far more interesting: Unreleased songs which stand a chance of appearing on the box, but which you'd rather remained in the vaults... And lets just stick to songs that might realistically make the cut (so, you know, not the alternate Hey Little Tomboy).

For me it's 'Everybody's Got To Live', which i know some people love, but which i really can't stand. Why? Well, the song itself is pretty lame, and Carl's vocal is horrible, but it's the lyrics that really get to me:
 
'The cigarette butt when you throw it in the water go pssstt!'

Yeah, ok, so a pretty wacky opening line. Maybe it's going to be one of Brian's Love You-style quirky lyrics, wherein it should be bad but yet somehow it's great.

But then... 'But the trick is you shouldn't laugh'.

Laugh? Why would i laugh at a cigarette butt going pssstt?

'Coz if you start laughing you're just a coward. If you start laughing you're just a coward'.

I mean... what? Why is it cowardly to laugh - or rather, why is cowardly to laugh at a cigarette butt going pssstt?

As i say, i usually love Brian's goofy lyrics (I could happily spent an entire evening listening to Solar System - in fact, i just might) but the lyrics to EGTL aren't goofy or fun - they're just nonsense. Psychotherapy codswollap. Crap, basically. I know the song isn't credited to Landy, but to me these lyrics have his influence all over them.

So yeah. I hope Everybody's Got To Live ain't on MIC. Any other suggestions?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on April 27, 2013, 11:57:08 AM
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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 27, 2013, 12:13:13 PM
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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on April 27, 2013, 12:27:10 PM

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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on April 27, 2013, 12:30:08 PM

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For failure

let's not become LE REDDIT or 9fag just quite yet


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on April 27, 2013, 01:00:39 PM

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(Yeah, i accidently posted the exact same message twice, but then i couldn't delete the bloody second one, so i just modified it to, er.... a B.)


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For failure

let's not become LE REDDIT or 9fag just quite yet

I literally have absolutely no idea what that means.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 27, 2013, 02:31:27 PM
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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 27, 2013, 02:38:54 PM
"L" for Lets get back on topic.  :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on April 28, 2013, 06:29:58 AM
I wonder if this will make it onto the box set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEpqxVB-5VA


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 28, 2013, 06:47:13 AM
I wonder if this will make it onto the box set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEpqxVB-5VA

Hopefully not. But there are those of us, myself included, who hope that one day, somehow, everything will be available.










 ::)
Except Mike's duet on Do You Hear What I hear with Mary McGregor.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on April 28, 2013, 11:17:20 AM
I wonder if this will make it onto the box set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEpqxVB-5VA

A part of me is like burn it with fire.

But then another part of me is saying if Mike enjoys singing songs like that then more power to him.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on April 28, 2013, 12:05:12 PM
Here's another song which I would think realistically has a chance to make it: "Living Doll" which was released in 1987, and credited to The Beach Boys, although only Brian appears on it. And it's cowritten by Gene Landy and Alexandra Morgan. Yeahhhh.

However, it is an official release credited to The Beach Boys. And if they are considering some of the other '80s crap, I assume this deserves a thought as well.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on April 28, 2013, 12:38:45 PM
Here's another song which I would think realistically has a chance to make it: "Living Doll" which was released in 1987, and credited to The Beach Boys, although only Brian appears on it. And it's cowritten by Gene Landy and Alexandra Morgan. Yeahhhh.

However, it is an official release credited to The Beach Boys. And if they are considering some of the other '80s crap, I assume this deserves a thought as well.

I'd never heard of that one before and after a quick trip to youtube I wish I never had.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on April 28, 2013, 12:44:43 PM
Here's another song which I would think realistically has a chance to make it: "Living Doll" which was released in 1987, and credited to The Beach Boys, although only Brian appears on it. And it's cowritten by Gene Landy and Alexandra Morgan. Yeahhhh.

However, it is an official release credited to The Beach Boys. And if they are considering some of the other '80s crap, I assume this deserves a thought as well.

It is possible but I personally think it is worse than most of the, 'other '80s crap' as you put it. Poor production, vocals and lyrics.

Certainly weaker than Getcha Back, Where I Belong, Rock and Roll to the Rescue, California Dreaming, Kokomo, Somewhere Near Japan etc.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bicyclerider on April 28, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
Here's another song which I would think realistically has a chance to make it: "Living Doll" which was released in 1987, and credited to The Beach Boys, although only Brian appears on it. And it's cowritten by Gene Landy and Alexandra Morgan. Yeahhhh.

However, it is an official release credited to The Beach Boys. And if they are considering some of the other '80s crap, I assume this deserves a thought as well.

I have the original flexidisc!  And the California Barbie that came with it - or was that the other way around?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Micha on April 30, 2013, 12:48:20 AM
Here's another song which I would think realistically has a chance to make it: "Living Doll" which was released in 1987, and credited to The Beach Boys, although only Brian appears on it. And it's cowritten by Gene Landy and Alexandra Morgan. Yeahhhh.

However, it is an official release credited to The Beach Boys. And if they are considering some of the other '80s crap, I assume this deserves a thought as well.

It is possible but I personally think it is worse than most of the, 'other '80s crap' as you put it. Poor production, vocals and lyrics.

Certainly weaker than Getcha Back, Where I Belong, Rock and Roll to the Rescue, California Dreaming, Kokomo, Somewhere Near Japan etc.

It's up to par with Sweet Insanity though! ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on April 30, 2013, 12:57:08 AM
Here's another song which I would think realistically has a chance to make it: "Living Doll" which was released in 1987, and credited to The Beach Boys, although only Brian appears on it. And it's cowritten by Gene Landy and Alexandra Morgan. Yeahhhh.

However, it is an official release credited to The Beach Boys. And if they are considering some of the other '80s crap, I assume this deserves a thought as well.

It is possible but I personally think it is worse than most of the, 'other '80s crap' as you put it. Poor production, vocals and lyrics.

Certainly weaker than Getcha Back, Where I Belong, Rock and Roll to the Rescue, California Dreaming, Kokomo, Somewhere Near Japan etc.

It's up to par with Sweet Insanity though! ;D

Nah, Sweet Insanity's a fine album, taken in context. I like all three versions I have…


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 02, 2013, 11:32:22 PM
Funny after all this time we know jack squat about this box.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on May 03, 2013, 12:25:18 AM
Funny after all this time we know jack squat about this box.

Word.

It's the curse of the Philster, I tells ya.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on May 03, 2013, 12:28:17 AM
God, that Mike song. If he sang that to me as a proposal I'd accept.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: sockittome on May 04, 2013, 09:14:05 AM
Funny after all this time we know jack squat about this box.

Wow, it's like 2011 all over again!  :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 04, 2013, 09:32:54 AM
I know when The Beach Boys will agree to the release of the "Made in California" box set. They'll release the box set when nobody cares anymore, just like Crosby,Stills,Nash & Young and their box set of 1974 tour recordings(now postponed until 2014, after months of hype). These two dysfunctional bands have no credibility any more, since archival projects are announced, then, usually, they never materialize. For both groups, their interpersonal feuds mean more to them than the continued loyalty of their fans.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: phirnis on May 04, 2013, 09:42:44 AM
I wonder if this will make it onto the box set?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEpqxVB-5VA

Only Mike Love solo song that'll make the cut is "Rockin' the Man in the Boat".


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 04, 2013, 10:28:29 AM
Funny after all this time we know jack squat about this box.

Word.

It's the curse of the Philster, I tells ya.
Thanks Don, Phil is  back :hat

So what do we know?

1. Release date.
2. Title
3.  Number of discs
4. BRI has approved
5. Alan Boyd is producing with Mark L.
6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks
7.......


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 04, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bean Bag on May 06, 2013, 11:26:47 AM
Ok.  Inventory Time.
This is as good a thread as any.  I need to compile all the stuff that's come out, or due/rumored to come out from this whole reunion thing.  Let me know if I've missed anything.  I'm also including my rating/review on what's worth getting (and links for the more "fringe stuff")

SMiLE Sessions (Box Set) - Get it while supplies last.  Buy another copy then.
SMiLE Sessions (2-disc) - Get it.
That's Why God Made The Radio - Yes, essential.
The Beach Boys 50:  Doin' It Again (DVD/Blu-Ray) (http://www.amazon.com/Doin-Again-Blu-ray-Beach-Boys/dp/B008KZY01C/ref=sr_1_22?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863523&sr=1-22&keywords=beach+boys) - Maybe.  Still haven't purchased.  I'm not a huge fan of not learning anything new...
The Beach Boys 50:  Live in Concert (DVD/Blu-Ray) (http://www.amazon.com/Live-Concert-50th-Anniversary-Blu-ray/dp/B009KKLQVS/ref=sr_1_10?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863352&sr=1-10&keywords=beach+boys) - Maybe.  I don't know. Still haven't purchased either...
Good Vibrations Tour (http://www.amazon.com/Good-Vibrations-Tour-Beach-Boys/dp/B00CEYFGYK/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863296&sr=1-1&keywords=beach+boys) - Yes, I really really want this!  Wish it was coming out on Blu-ray.
The Beach Boys Live:  The 50th Anniversary Tour (http://www.amazon.com/Beach-Boys-Live-50th-Anniversary/dp/B00C7O8TSM/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863804&sr=1-1&keywords=beach+boys) - All over it.
Made In California (Box Set) - Yes, I'm assuming this will be totally essential.
New Albums?? ... - I'm still not sure if there are OR aren't to be any new recordings.  I know the reunion tour ended badly but.... is there any hope?
Remasters - Essential for me, but completely understand others passing.  I'm still holding out hope that they complete the set and give us the rest.  I think these were a nice (not perfect) improvement... and I like the single album packaging in mini-LP-like sleeves.
Smile – 1CD European release -- ???
Mojo 45rpm -  Cabinessence/Wonderful -- Pretty sure you can't get this no mo'.
TWGMTR 45/CD single -- They still make single cds?
IIT - CD single -- I guess they do.
Anniversary Collection 'ZinePak (Walmart Exclusive) -- ??? Link??
Greatest Hits: 50 Big Ones -- Tempted to get if it drops to 14 bux.  It has a single version of Isn't It Time, I believe.
Greatest Hits (Not 50 Big Ones) -- Haven't bought.

What else?  That it?

EDIT:  Added stuff


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on May 06, 2013, 11:40:16 AM
The live DVD is a total waste of money. Just a sad reminder of what could've been.

Hopefully the live CD will make up for it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 06, 2013, 11:54:49 AM
Ok.  Inventory Time.
This is as good a thread as any.  I need to compile all the stuff that's come out, or due/rumored to come out from this whole reunion thing.  Let me know if I've missed anything.  I'm also including my rating/review on what's worth getting (and links for the more "fringe stuff")

SMiLE Sessions (Box Set) - Get it while supplies last.  Buy another copy then.
SMiLE Sessions (2-disc) - Get it.
That's Why God Made The Radio - Yes, essential.
The Beach Boys 50:  Doin' It Again (DVD/Blu-Ray) (http://www.amazon.com/Doin-Again-Blu-ray-Beach-Boys/dp/B008KZY01C/ref=sr_1_22?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863523&sr=1-22&keywords=beach+boys) - Maybe.  Still haven't purchased.  I'm not a huge fan of not learning anything new...
The Beach Boys 50:  Live in Concert (DVD/Blu-Ray) (http://www.amazon.com/Live-Concert-50th-Anniversary-Blu-ray/dp/B009KKLQVS/ref=sr_1_10?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863352&sr=1-10&keywords=beach+boys) - Maybe.  I don't know. Still haven't purchased either...
Good Vibrations Tour (http://www.amazon.com/Good-Vibrations-Tour-Beach-Boys/dp/B00CEYFGYK/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863296&sr=1-1&keywords=beach+boys) - Yes, I really really want this!  Wish it was coming out on Blu-ray.
The Beach Boys Live:  The 50th Anniversary Tour (http://www.amazon.com/Beach-Boys-Live-50th-Anniversary/dp/B00C7O8TSM/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1367863804&sr=1-1&keywords=beach+boys) - All over it.
Made In California (Box Set) - Yes, I'm assuming this will be totally essential.
New Albums?? ... - I'm still not sure if there are OR aren't to be any new recordings.  I know the reunion tour ended badly but.... is there any hope?
Remasters - Essential for me, but completely understand others passing.  I'm still holding out hope that they complete the set and give us the rest.  I think these were a nice (not perfect) improvement... and I like the single album packaging in mini-LP-like sleeves.

What else?  That it?

Add

Smile – 1CD European release
Mojo 45rpm -  Cabinessence/Wonderful
TWGMTR 45/CD single
IIT - CD single


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bean Bag on May 06, 2013, 12:32:48 PM
The live DVD is a total waste of money. Just a sad reminder of what could've been.

Hopefully the live CD will make up for it.
Yeah, that's why I haven't given them my money.  Both of those "Beach Boys 50" video releases smell of what we used to call in the TV world - "promos" or "specials."  A short, slapped together advertisement shown shortly before a release to build excitement and eventually included as "bonus material" on a more substantial video release forth-coming. 

There really should be a "Made In California: Live" -- a corresponding video box set, that would include a lot more (full length) concert footage (old and new), a two-part (2 disc) updated, in-depth documentary and bunch of great TV appearance/specials over the years, etc. etc.  Brain is Back!  You name it.  The whole deal.

Now's the time Boys!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Myk Luhv on May 06, 2013, 12:54:34 PM
I think I'm the only person on this forum who doesn't care about The Beach Boys as a live band except for the early-to-mid-1970s when they were actually very good, and maybe the more interesting late-'60s efforts like the Hawaii concerts.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bean Bag on May 06, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
Me too, pretty much.  Although, I'd extend it to the late 70s - early 80s.  For me -- personally, damn... the years on the DC mall on the 4th of July is pure, manic Beach Boys heaven.  Short shorts, slightly cleaned-up beards, Denny muscling out some primal butt-smashing drum beats -- Brian getting into it, looking thinner -- Carl in Charge -- Al's happy, Bruce is happy and Mike Love in his trucker hat glory...

F-Yeah!!!  That's some good sh-t right there, I'm tellin' you boy!  woooooooo-weeeee!!!



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Myk Luhv on May 06, 2013, 02:38:19 PM
Well, I've never heard Love You-era live recordings so I can't speak to those. Were they as amazingly demented as I hope?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Custom Machine on May 06, 2013, 04:08:30 PM


So what do we know?

1. Release date.
2. Title
3.  Number of discs
4. BRI has approved
5. Alan Boyd is producing with Mark L.
6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks
7.......


7. Roughly two-thirds of material is typical well-known stuff. Other third of greater interest to hard core fans.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on May 06, 2013, 04:23:10 PM
Anyone care to take a stab at the amount of not "unreleased," but non-booted, completely unheard songs and/or recordings, we may realistically hope to get?

I suppose this may well be a fool's errand, but I'm curious (and though I love the 'Boys, as more of a Beatlefan, I'm less qualified than almost anyone here to offer an educated guess).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SonoraDick on May 06, 2013, 06:46:14 PM

  I need to compile all the stuff that's come out.  Let me know if I've missed anything.

Anniversary Collection 'ZinePak (Walmart Exclusive)

As far as I know, the only place you'll find "Do It Again", the 2012 studio version.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 06, 2013, 07:34:43 PM


So what do we know?

1. Release date.
2. Title
3.  Number of discs
4. BRI has approved
5. Alan Boyd is producing with Mark L.
6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks
7.......


7. Roughly two-thirds of material is typical well-known stuff. Other third of greater interest to hard core fans.
We don't know that yet. If that were the case, it would have come out last year. I'm guesing there  is a reason it's taking so long.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on May 06, 2013, 10:42:51 PM
Since we still have no news on the box, I was wondering what everyone's feelings are on the song "Almost Summer". I personally think it should be one of the tracks in the set because it was written by three Beach Boys (Brian, Mike, and Al) and features Mike on lead vocals, and what sounds like Brian on falsetto. And it was a top 40 hit. And its basically a Beach Boys song in everything but name. And most importantly, its pretty rare and not available very easily these days. I think the only CD release was on some random various artists comp from the '90s. and it's not on iTunes.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 06, 2013, 11:28:55 PM
I'd like a decent copy of it. It's better than at least half of MIU.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 07, 2013, 12:24:31 AM
Since we still have no news on the box, I was wondering what everyone's feelings are on the song "Almost Summer". I personally think it should be one of the tracks in the set because it was written by three Beach Boys (Brian, Mike, and Al) and features Mike on lead vocals, and what sounds like Brian on falsetto. And it was a top 40 hit. And its basically a Beach Boys song in everything but name. And most importantly, its pretty rare and not available very easily these days. I think the only CD release was on some random various artists comp from the '90s. and it's not on iTunes.

I would guess that they might not be able to include the Celebration version due to contractual issues. Could be wrong though.

I think there is a demo version that The BBs did though. Or they could include the live rendition along with Cruisin' if they are of good enough quality.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Custom Machine on May 07, 2013, 12:30:52 AM


So what do we know?

1. Release date.
2. Title
3.  Number of discs
4. BRI has approved
5. Alan Boyd is producing with Mark L.
6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks
7.......


7. Roughly two-thirds of material is typical well-known stuff. Other third of greater interest to hard core fans.

We don't know that yet. If that were the case, it would have come out last year. I'm guesing there  is a reason it's taking so long.

Who is the "we" you are referring to in "We don't know that yet"?  Made in Calif didn't come out last year because the audio wasn't finalized and completed until a little over two months ago.  The Thirty Years of the BB's box was released twenty years ago in June for the summer season, but this one is scheduled for late Aug because that's a great time to release a box set for the forthcoming Christmas Holiday Season.




Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 07, 2013, 12:40:44 AM


So what do we know?

1. Release date.
2. Title
3.  Number of discs
4. BRI has approved
5. Alan Boyd is producing with Mark L.
6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks
7.......


7. Roughly two-thirds of material is typical well-known stuff. Other third of greater interest to hard core fans.

We don't know that yet. If that were the case, it would have come out last year. I'm guesing there  is a reason it's taking so long.

Who is the "we" you are referring to in "We don't know that yet"?  Made in Calif didn't come out last year because the audio wasn't finalized and completed until a little over two months ago.  The Thirty Years of the BB's box was released twenty years ago in June for the summer season, but this one is scheduled for late Aug because that's a great time to release a box set for the forthcoming Christmas Holiday Season.

We as us on the board. (though some on the board d know). Where do you get the 1/3, 2/3s thing?  That isn't conformed unless you'd care to share your insider info. 

You may well be right but I'm hoping for that atleast half the set will be unreleased live and studio stuff, rare tracks and new mixes.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on May 07, 2013, 01:46:02 AM


So what do we know?

1. Release date.
2. Title
3.  Number of discs
4. BRI has approved
5. Alan Boyd is producing with Mark L.
6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks
7.......


7. Roughly two-thirds of material is typical well-known stuff. Other third of greater interest to hard core fans.

We don't know that yet. If that were the case, it would have come out last year. I'm guesing there  is a reason it's taking so long.

Who is the "we" you are referring to in "We don't know that yet"?  Made in Calif didn't come out last year because the audio wasn't finalized and completed until a little over two months ago.  The Thirty Years of the BB's box was released twenty years ago in June for the summer season, but this one is scheduled for late Aug because that's a great time to release a box set for the forthcoming Christmas Holiday Season.

We as us on the board. (though some on the board d know). Where do you get the 1/3, 2/3s thing?  That isn't conformed unless you'd care to share your insider info. 

You may well be right but I'm hoping for that atleast half the set will be unreleased live and studio stuff, rare tracks and new mixes.

I would love to share your hopes... but I doubt it. I think the box will be aimed at a general market, people who don't have the two-fers, nor the PSS, TSS, or the GV box set. So the MiC one will present a coherent and comprehensive overview of the totality of the band's career. With all the  (over)familiar hits, with top notch live material from all phases, and with some (with emphasis: some) rarities. Your dream about 50% 'new' is, I fear, a pipedream (and mind: I say this with the utmost respect for you, because I share your wish, of course).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 07, 2013, 01:57:39 AM
I think the box will be aimed at a general market, people who don't have the two-fers, nor the PSS, TSS, or the GV box set.

Which means the next set will be for those people who don't have the two-fers, nor the PSS, TSS, GV box set or the MiC box set.

Then they also mustn't have Sounds of Summer, Endless Summer, 20 Golden Greats, Icon, 50 Lashings of Sunstroke, UPF50+, or any of those other summery Best of… Greatest Hits etc etc.  I mean, what's the point trying to force feed them the hits any longer if they haven't already got them?

Where will we end up if that scenario goes on endlessly? Eventually, in 2063, there'll be a box set with nothing but the original 45rpm mono mix of Good Vibrations, like 200 times, for those who don't have that.  And those people, God bless 'em, would probably rather have a handful of grain and 100ml of clean water.

My hope is for a thick set of deep and previously unreleased. If they need to represent the hits, then let it be by using new-to-our-ears live versions, alt versions, rare mixes, new stereo mixes. But no more same-old same-old… pretty please…

The guys in charge of this must be as frustrated as the rest of us by having to retread the same old hits packages. 50 Big Ones is for those who need hits.  MiC is for the fans.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 07, 2013, 01:59:31 AM

I would love to share your hopes... but I doubt it. I think the box will be aimed at a general market, people who don't have the two-fers, nor the PSS, TSS, or the GV box set. So the MiC one will present a coherent and comprehensive overview of the totality of the band's career. With all the  (over)familiar hits, with top notch live material from all phases, and with some (with emphasis: some) rarities. Your dream about 50% 'new' is, I fear, a pipedream (and mind: I say this with the utmost respect for you, because I share your wish, of course).

Yeah...

It has been intimated in the past that the 6th disc might be reserved for vocal only versions/instrumental versions etc. For the box set to be 50% 'new' that would mean that the other 5 discs would have to have around 60 obscurities which I can't really see. Especially as there can't be that much from the 60s that remains unreleased.

I'm hopeful that from the 70s to the present day we should get quite a few uncollated things though.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 07, 2013, 02:04:23 AM

The guys in charge of this must be as frustrated as the rest of us by having to retread the same old hits packages. 50 Big Ones is for those who need hits.  MiC is for the fans.

Nah, it's for the money.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 07, 2013, 02:11:55 AM
I never saw the appeal of the vocal only versions/instrumental versions. I think they take up space that would be better served by live recordings, or songs we haven't heard. I suppose it's fun to hear once, but I propose that would better served as a themed project of its own. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: lance on May 07, 2013, 02:58:26 AM
Agreed. I like that stuff, actually, but much prefer outtakes...Amazing, how many good outtakes they have.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 07, 2013, 03:39:37 AM
That's my point, they have stuff in the vaults that is wonderful, a whole host of unknown titles, plus some truly stunning live recordings through 1975 all sitting on the shelf. If none of this existed I think I would welcome these mixes. What they are is OK I suppose, but I feel I learn more listening to a finished recording (even an alt take) as far as how Brian or the others made their records.   I always just resented the space they took up because of what I know to be sitting on a shelf.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 07, 2013, 05:21:51 AM
I can see both sides of the coin.  On one hand box sets are by their very nature aimed towards the collector's market.  There aren't a great deal of consumers who are going to plunk down the amount of coin necessary to purchase a 6-CD box set when they have the alternative available to them of a two disc greatest hits set.  However, it has already been noted that this is going to be a career spanning set so I think they are going to need to include first and foremost, most (if not all) of the tracks that would be included on a standard greatest hits package.  Then they will have to devote another 15-25% of the space on the box set to more obscure material such as album tracks that are either popular amongst the more hardcore fanbase or more than likely just songs that the band themselves like.  Remember it has been stated in the past that Brian Wilson requested that "Let Him Run Wild" did not make the cut for the GV box and it didn't so I'm thinking a lot of the more obscure material will be at the band's discretion if nothing else.

This obviously also goes for the rarities and unreleased tracks as well but Beach Boys fans are lucky in a sense that they have people heading up this project who are aware of what Beach Boys fans are clamoring for.  So at the very least it could be assumed that some of our suggestions have at least reached their intended destinations.  As to whether or not those suggestions are acted upon is obviously anyone's guess. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Awesoman on May 07, 2013, 06:23:50 AM
If it isn't 12 discs and 100% new, I ain't interested.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 07, 2013, 06:41:22 AM
Dunno if it's already mentioned here, but all the MIC tracks should be in stereo (whenever possible). only hardcore fans need mono versions from the mono years and they already have the original LP's or mono digital files so pointless to put out more mono stuff. More stereo Smile stuff and WH would be great for this release.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 07, 2013, 06:43:45 AM

6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks


Wouldn't it be AWESOME if one of them was the radio Luxembourg recording of 'I've got a friend'*...it's the best version I've heard, and in hearing it in decent quality might just make my life.

*awaits news that everyone already knows the tapes were buried under a road during a 1981 spring clean*


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 07, 2013, 06:52:14 AM

6. Al Jardine told me there were some alternate Radio tracks


Wouldn't it be AWESOME if one of them was the radio Luxembourg recording of 'I've got a friend'*...it's the best version I've heard, and in hearing it in decent quality might just make my life.

*awaits news that everyone already knows the tapes were buried under a road during a 1981 spring clean*


Think ORR means alt TWGMTRadio tracks


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bicyclerider on May 07, 2013, 07:13:32 AM
Even if many of their classic tracks are included, they could be remastered (and many of the songs on previous greatest hits collections could use a better, less bright or compressed mastering) and they could use alternate mixes, whether vintage or newly created mixes.  Wild Honey stereo tracks, Surfin' Safari stereo tracks, unreleased takes from the Hite Morgan sessions (easily could take up half of the first CD), original Brian mixes of outtakes like Trombone Dixie, Child is Father to the Man, etc.  They could easily make MOSt of the set (75% or more) previously unreleased tracks (not songs, but tracks) and they certainly have had the time to do it.

I hope they separate the live tracks from the studio sessions - I never liked how they mixed up the Beatles live stuff and studio outtakes on Anthology.  The difference in sound quality from track to track was disorienting.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on May 07, 2013, 08:17:01 AM
Personally, I absolutely love the a capella mixes. Add Some Music to Your Day was a revelation, and Forever is sublime. The Smile Backing Vocals montage might be my favorite part of the box set.

They're not how the songs were intended to be heard, but it reveals the complexity of the arrangements and the deft handling of each part. And the blend. The sound of the pure blend is what makes me happy, and I want to hear as many examples as we can, whether from when the guys were barely 20 years old or from last year's recordings for TWGMTR.

The instrumental-only versions don't have the same effect on me, but they're just as interesting. More vocals-only mixes please!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 07, 2013, 08:54:38 AM
Dunno if it's already mentioned here, but all the MIC tracks should be in stereo (whenever possible). only hardcore fans need mono versions from the mono years and they already have the original LP's or mono digital files so pointless to put out more mono stuff. More stereo Smile stuff and WH would be great for this release.

That very much depends on whether we're talking about vintage or modern mixes. The modern stereo remixes of, say, Smiley Smile, sound much better than the original mono, but the mono mix of Surfer Girl is absolutely revelatory when compared to the horrible 60s stereo version that had been on CD for decades.

I also think that if vintage mixes exist of unreleased stuff, they should be used -- if, say, a completed 1966 Surf's Up was found, with a vintage mono mix from Brian, I would want to hear that rather than a stereo reconstruction from the multitracks.

But if you're talking about released tracks, but ones that have previously only been issued in mono, being remixed into stereo, or including the 2012 stereo mixes from the remasters, then that makes some sense.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 07, 2013, 09:07:48 AM
But if you're talking about released tracks, but ones that have previously only been issued in mono, being remixed into stereo, or including the 2012 stereo mixes from the remasters, then that makes some sense.

-1

I don't want to hear dicked around with, retouched stuff that I've known and loved from the versions they finished back in the sixties.



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 07, 2013, 09:13:48 AM
… a completed 1966 Surf's Up was found, with a vintage mono mix from Brian…

I thought the orchestration on the second movement suffered a little on that mix. Glad they held back until 1971 with that one.






;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 07, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
No more Trombone Dixie please. (UM covers it)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 07, 2013, 10:14:53 AM
Everyday I come here hoping today will be the day we get some news. Every day I'm disappointed. Where is this bloody boxset?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on May 07, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
Everyday I come here hoping today will be the day we get some news. Every day I'm disappointed. Where is this bloody boxset?

I doubt we'll get any news until June.   Maybe late-June.  TSS box info didn't come out this far in advance.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 07, 2013, 10:35:42 AM

I would love to share your hopes... but I doubt it. I think the box will be aimed at a general market, people who don't have the two-fers, nor the PSS, TSS, or the GV box set. So the MiC one will present a coherent and comprehensive overview of the totality of the band's career. With all the  (over)familiar hits, with top notch live material from all phases, and with some (with emphasis: some) rarities. Your dream about 50% 'new' is, I fear, a pipedream (and mind: I say this with the utmost respect for you, because I share your wish, of course).

Yeah...

It has been intimated in the past that the 6th disc might be reserved for vocal only versions/instrumental versions etc. For the box set to be 50% 'new' that would mean that the other 5 discs would have to have around 60 obscurities which I can't really see. Especially as there can't be that much from the 60s that remains unreleased.

I'm hopeful that from the 70s to the present day we should get quite a few uncollated things though.

In 50% I included new mixes; like mono to stereo, acapella, instrumental, alternate/extended mixes. Not saying we will get three cds of vault material (though I'd prefer that). Don't forget the BeaChago tapes and C Hall for unreleased live stuff.

Al told me they were finishing some of the leftover Radio tracks and were going to rerecord some of the CD versions in different arrangements (as that was yet to happen, at the time,  I have  no idea if it did. He said they were going into the studio before leaving for Europe.).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 07, 2013, 10:40:04 AM
Everyday I come here hoping today will be the day we get some news. Every day I'm disappointed. Where is this bloody boxset?
If I were a PR/marketing guy, I'd use the PR campaign for the C50 Live Album to start creating a buzz for  MIC. They aren't going to push the boxset with the live album yet to ccome out.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on May 07, 2013, 11:10:10 AM
I made the 50 Big Ones being for the casual fans and MIC being for the hardcore fans comparison a few months ago. It would be nice of this was a treat for the Beach Boys loyal fan base like TSS was.

I doubt it though. Except Barbra Ann and Surfin USA to take up precious space.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 07, 2013, 11:24:25 AM
I made the 50 Big Ones being for the casual fans and MIC being for the hardcore fans comparison a few months ago. It would be nice of this was a treat for the Beach Boys loyal fan base like TSS was.

I doubt it though. Except Barbra Ann and Surfin USA to take up precious space.

There are few artists that take that risk though.  Of the artists I follow only Bruce Springsteen had the courage to release a box set devoted entirely to rarities without any retread through his familiar catalog.  The Beatles did have their "Anthology" series but those were two disc sets spaced out by enough time in between releases where the consumer could choose to go ahead with the series or not if he so chose.

To be honest though from my vantage point, Beach Boys fans have nothing to complain about when it comes to catering to the hardcore fanbase.  Few blue chip bands have gone as far as The Beach Boys have in presenting package after package filled with interesting and rare material that their fans covet.  While it's true that The Beach Boys cater towards the casual fans as well with endless repackaging of their greatest hits, they have also been quite mindful of their hardcore fanbase for two solid decades now.  I also remember Mark Linett saying in an interview last year that he hopes to have future opportunities to continue to bring more rare and unique Beach Boys product to the masses in the future.  But I assume much like anything else it's all a question of supply and demand.  If Beach Boys fans keep shelling out for these box sets and rarities packages, we'll keep getting more down the line.

So before anyone gripes there are tons of other fanbases who would give their eye teeth to have been as spoiled as Beach Boys fans have been in terms of having a team behind their releases that really is in synch with what the Beach Boys fanbase wants. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bicyclerider on May 07, 2013, 02:22:16 PM
No more Trombone Dixie please. (UM covers it)

The Brian supervised mono mix has never been released - it was not on UM and was discovered after the Pet Sounds box set.  Never booted.  I want it!


Title:
Post by: zachrwolfe on May 07, 2013, 03:43:51 PM


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Phoenix on May 07, 2013, 10:57:02 PM
Since we still have no news on the box, I was wondering what everyone's feelings are on the song "Almost Summer". I personally think it should be one of the tracks in the set because it was written by three Beach Boys (Brian, Mike, and Al) and features Mike on lead vocals, and what sounds like Brian on falsetto. And it was a top 40 hit. And its basically a Beach Boys song in everything but name. And most importantly, its pretty rare and not available very easily these days. I think the only CD release was on some random various artists comp from the '90s. and it's not on iTunes.

I concur!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 07, 2013, 11:02:18 PM
I saw a tentative track list many many months ago.  I know it has been changed and changed back since then.

I'm not going to get into specifics so as not to get anybody into trouble, and also I'd hate to say X track was going to be on and then it not happen.  But I was REALLY impressed.  If that track list made it through the approval process (a big "IF") then fans will be in for a treat. 

And I also have heard that Mike did NOT block the coolness.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 08, 2013, 12:24:48 AM
Finally a little bit of news.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 08, 2013, 02:00:10 AM
Well yes, and I know the day is coming when I log in, and see this thread has skyrocketed to 20 pages.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on May 08, 2013, 08:44:37 AM
I saw a tentative track list many many months ago.  I know it has been changed and changed back since then.

I'm not going to get into specifics so as not to get anybody into trouble, and also I'd hate to say X track was going to be on and then it not happen.  But I was REALLY impressed.

Are you able to say why you were impressed without giving away song titles?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 08, 2013, 09:01:12 AM
I saw a tentative track list many many months ago.  I know it has been changed and changed back since then.

I'm not going to get into specifics so as not to get anybody into trouble, and also I'd hate to say X track was going to be on and then it not happen.  But I was REALLY impressed.

Are you able to say why you were impressed without giving away song titles?

Then it wouldnt be a lil' bit of news.



Well I will be checking back, again.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 10:40:30 AM
By the way, over at the Steve Hoffman forums(stevehoffman.tv) there's an ongoing discussion thread about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the "Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set. Obviously, outside of the true believers who populate this forum, most other people have given up on the idea that "Made in California" will ever be released. 18 months after Capitol's initial announcement and still The Beach Boys & Capitol maintain their "Wall of Secrecy" policy....showing total contempt for the fans.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Steve Mayo on May 08, 2013, 10:45:55 AM
sh*t...i thought you were taking 6 months off......


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on May 08, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
By the way, over at the Steve Hoffman forums(stevehoffman.tv) there's an ongoing discussion thread about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the "Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set. Obviously, outside of the true believers who populate this forum, most other people have given up on the idea that "Made in California" will ever be released. 18 months after Capitol's initial announcement and still The Beach Boys & Capitol maintain their "Wall of Secrecy" policy....showing total contempt for the fans.

Or maybe they just want to know whether they should grab "30 Years of GV" before it becomes hard to find. Just because a new box is coming doesn't mean the old box won't retain some value.  It has alot of cool stuff on it and not all of it will necessarily be repeated on MIC. Nor will the sound quality necessarily be superior. These are things which remain to be seen. Even still, historically, the GV box is still relevant as a highly pleasing trip through Beach Boys history and will never be totally dismissable....in my opinion.....


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 08, 2013, 10:57:35 AM
By the way, over at the Steve Hoffman forums(stevehoffman.tv) there's an ongoing discussion thread about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the "Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set. Obviously, outside of the true believers who populate this forum, most other people have given up on the idea that "Made in California" will ever be released. 18 months after Capitol's initial announcement and still The Beach Boys & Capitol maintain their "Wall of Secrecy" policy....showing total contempt for the fans.

The sum total of discussion in that thread since June last year:
Quote
Has anyone compiled a list of what's still exclusive to this set now?

(list of stuff that's only on the box)

        "San Miguel" is on the Ten Years of Harmony comp, is it not?

    It was...it pre-dated the GV box by over a decade.

My first Smile experience was the dreadful Early Years boot (the long Can't Wait Too Long being its only redeeming feature) but hearing disc 2 of the GV box changed my life almost immediately.

I spent an entire year compiling my own mixes with names like "Smile #27."

Yes, what a ringing endorsement for your view that is, Phil. You can just feel the desperation there, the screams of "Why, Capitol, why have you forsaken us in this, our hour of need?!"

How could someone interpret 'I spent an entire year compiling my own mixes with names like "Smile #27."' as anything other than an absolute denial that the Made In California box will ever come out? The evidence is right there! WAKE UP, PEOPLE!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 11:19:35 AM
By the way, over at the Steve Hoffman forums(stevehoffman.tv) there's an ongoing discussion thread about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the "Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set. Obviously, outside of the true believers who populate this forum, most other people have given up on the idea that "Made in California" will ever be released. 18 months after Capitol's initial announcement and still The Beach Boys & Capitol maintain their "Wall of Secrecy" policy....showing total contempt for the fans.


I must be missing something, but show me a single post in that Hoffman thread where someone is lamenting the absence of MIC or "giving up on the idea" that it will ever be released.

It's a thread on the merits of the GV box set. Nothing more. Nothing less.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beach-boys-good-vibrations-thirty-years-box-set.286487/


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on May 08, 2013, 11:29:43 AM
Then it wouldnt be a lil' bit of news.

those aren't the words of adamghost.
whose side are you on, man?    :smokin


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 11:31:42 AM
By the way, over at the Steve Hoffman forums(stevehoffman.tv) there's an ongoing discussion thread about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the "Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys" box set. Obviously, outside of the true believers who populate this forum, most other people have given up on the idea that "Made in California" will ever be released. 18 months after Capitol's initial announcement and still The Beach Boys & Capitol maintain their "Wall of Secrecy" policy....showing total contempt for the fans.

The sum total of discussion in that thread since June last year:
Quote
Has anyone compiled a list of what's still exclusive to this set now?

(list of stuff that's only on the box)

        "San Miguel" is on the Ten Years of Harmony comp, is it not?

    It was...it pre-dated the GV box by over a decade.

My first Smile experience was the dreadful Early Years boot (the long Can't Wait Too Long being its only redeeming feature) but hearing disc 2 of the GV box changed my life almost immediately.

I spent an entire year compiling my own mixes with names like "Smile #27."

Yes, what a ringing endorsement for your view that is, Phil. You can just feel the desperation there, the screams of "Why, Capitol, why have you forsaken us in this, our hour of need?!"

How could someone interpret 'I spent an entire year compiling my own mixes with names like "Smile #27."' as anything other than an absolute denial that the Made In California box will ever come out? The evidence is right there! WAKE UP, PEOPLE!

I never compiled anything called "Smile #27".


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 11:39:53 AM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 12:01:47 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


Maybe the comments that I saw(when I looked a few months back) were removed by Hoffman's censors. There is nothing now.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ontor pertawst on May 08, 2013, 12:08:02 PM
A dog ate my argument.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jeff on May 08, 2013, 12:08:45 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


I'm not waiting.

Please, let's not let another thread get derailed with this stuff.  It really is pointless.  You will never, ever convince this guy of anything that he does not want to believe.  It just won't happen.  Accept it and move on.

Now, let's hear a little more from adamghost.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on May 08, 2013, 12:09:40 PM
Please, let's not let another thread get derailed with this stuff.  It really is pointless.  You will never, ever convince this guy of anything that he does not want to believe.  It just won't happen.  Accept it and move on.

Now, let's hear a little more from adamghost.

Yes. Especially the bit in BOLD.  :3d


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 12:22:41 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


Maybe the comments that I saw(when I looked a few months back) were removed by Hoffman's censors. There is nothing now.


Or "maybe" you simply imagined the whole thing.

i used to think you were playing this repetitive game merely to yank people's chains. A sort of juvenile exercise that you got your kicks from. Now, I'm starting to believe that you really do need professional help.

In terms  of your wall of secrecy...there isn't any. The box set has been announced for release on August 27, 2013. It' s been announced as being titled Made In California. It's been announced as being 6 CDs. Even if that info were still to change ten times in the upcoming months, there's nothing at all "secretive" about any of it as of now.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 12:29:12 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


I'm not waiting.

Please, let's not let another thread get derailed with this stuff.  It really is pointless.  You will never, ever convince this guy of anything that he does not want to believe.  It just won't happen.  Accept it and move on.

Now, let's hear a little more from adamghost.


Jeff, with all due respect, this is the first time I've ever even entertained or replied to Phil on this board after reading all his nonsense. My apologies for saying "we're" all waiting. But, *I* certainly am waiting to know why he feels the need to put words in other people's mouths and flat-out lie in the process of doing it. That's simply not right. Nor, should it be tolerated by anyone.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: rab2591 on May 08, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
The box set has been announced for release on August 27, 2013.

Wait, there was an official announcement?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Heysaboda on May 08, 2013, 12:46:53 PM
Speaking for myself (why would I be speaking for someone else) I will be happy whenever the Box Set comes out, and I trust that it will be glorious.  C'mon It’s the Freakin’ Beach Boys, people!  Genius band, genius singing and playing, genius writing; what else is there?

The good news is, I have at least till August to save up for it.

Till then I am still highly enjoying that Smiley Smile remaster, which I also consider to be a work of genius.  Brian was/is the Charles Ives of California!  Think about it!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jeff on May 08, 2013, 12:59:32 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


I'm not waiting.

Please, let's not let another thread get derailed with this stuff.  It really is pointless.  You will never, ever convince this guy of anything that he does not want to believe.  It just won't happen.  Accept it and move on.

Now, let's hear a little more from adamghost.


Jeff, with all due respect, this is the first time I've ever even entertained or replied to Phil on this board after reading all his nonsense. My apologies for saying "we're" all waiting. But, *I* certainly am waiting to know why he feels the need to put words in other people's mouths and flat-out lie in the process of doing it. That's simply not right. Nor, should it be tolerated by anyone.

In all seriousness, I think it's very likely, as you said above, that he needs professional help.

Arguing with someone who is unbalanced, or at least seems to be, just does not do anyone any good.  From time to time, we all see people raving about some conspiracy or talking to themselves on the sidewalk, but we generally don't stop to debate them.  And there's really no reason to do so here.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 01:09:41 PM
The box set has been announced for release on August 27, 2013.

Wait, there was an official announcement?

'Tis true.  :)

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 01:16:18 PM

In all seriousness, I think it's very likely, as you said above, that he needs professional help.

Arguing with someone who is unbalanced, or at least seems to be, just does not do anyone any good.  From time to time, we all see people raving about some conspiracy or talking to themselves on the sidewalk, but we generally don't stop to debate them.  And there's really no reason to do so here.

Well, I can't really disagree with any of that. It probably is futile. I guess I just found his latest comment to be so utterly baseless -- even by his own standards -- that my usual penchant to totally ignore him got corrupted. I figured there had to be some rational explanation on his part. Shame on me.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: rab2591 on May 08, 2013, 01:33:29 PM
The box set has been announced for release on August 27, 2013.

Wait, there was an official announcement?

'Tis true.  :)

http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/story.aspx?ID=1931764

I'm really hopeful for the August release, but I'd still like to hear an announcement from Capitol soon.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 08, 2013, 01:44:40 PM

I'm really hopeful for the August release, but I'd still like to hear an announcement from Capitol soon.

My feeling is -- and it's purely speculation on my part -- that they're probably waiting until the 2-CD live set is released and on it's own two legs before giving us some sort of track list or official presser for the big box. That is, as not to steal whatever "thunder" that earlier release might have. Perhaps not wanting it to see it get lost in the shuffle.

Maybe June for a track list?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Real Barnyard on May 08, 2013, 01:55:14 PM
The Smile Sessions tracklist announcement was made August 27, 2011. Almost exactly two months before its release. (November 1st).
So we shouldn't expect the Made In California tracklist to appear before the end of June.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: rab2591 on May 08, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
Ah, June/July is right around the corner...I'm dying to see this tracklist!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Real Barnyard on May 08, 2013, 03:53:12 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

Let's hope not.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on May 08, 2013, 04:01:41 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

(http://i.imgur.com/7k68TNn.jpg)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 08, 2013, 04:18:35 PM
Then it wouldnt be a lil' bit of news.

those aren't the words of adamghost.
whose side are you on, man?    :smokin

Oopsy!

shoulda quoted Mike Elder.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: monicker on May 08, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
Brian was/is the Charles Ives of California!  Think about it!

I'm thinking about it. I don't see it. At all. Care to elaborate? Now, if you said Van Dyke Parks was the Charles Ives of California...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 08, 2013, 05:36:13 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.

"Vaporware" is a computer industry expression for product that is promoted (or even advertised) but which, in reality, does not exist. As for "Made in California",  it doesn't even meet the minimum criteria for vaporware, since there is no promotion. And Capitol's statement (in December 2010) didn't even mention a title for the box set  project. The title "Made in California" may be nothing more than a product of fan-generated rumor on the internet.

In all likelyhood, given the difficulties of dealing with the dysfunctional , feuding Beach Boys, Capitol(under its new owners) probably doesn't even care whether The Beach Boys ever agree to or deliver the box set project. "50 Big Ones" and the 12 album remasters didn't sell in huge quantities. Capitol has plenty of other, much easier ways to make money: by releasing a CD or download by one Capitol's  contemporary 21st century artists. Such product will easily outsell the mythical Beach Boys box set.  For Capitol, releasing contemporary music (by artists eager to see their music released) is simply taking  the path of least resistance.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on May 08, 2013, 06:56:25 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.

"Vaporware" is a computer industry expression for product that is promoted (or even advertised) but which, in reality, does not exist. As for "Made in California",  it doesn't even meet the minimum criteria for vaporware, since there is no promotion. And Capitol's statement (in December 2010) didn't even mention a title for the box set  project. The title "Made in California" may be nothing more than a product of fan-generated rumor on the internet.

In all likelyhood, given the difficulties of dealing with the dysfunctional , feuding Beach Boys, Capitol(under its new owners) probably doesn't even care whether The Beach Boys ever agree to or deliver the box set project. "50 Big Ones" and the 12 album remasters didn't sell in huge quantities. Capitol has plenty of other, much easier ways to make money: by releasing a CD or download by one Capitol's  contemporary 21st century artists. Such product will easily outsell the mythical Beach Boys box set.  For Capitol, releasing contemporary music (by artists eager to see their music released) is simply taking  the path of least resistance.

So you did simply want to use the word vaporware, since by your definition the box set is not.
 It's been ventured before, and will probably be again, so I suggest:  you swear now that if the box does appear you will never ever darken this board again with your posting. and stick to it.
 If the box doesn't appear, the rest of us will leave this board to you. I swear.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on May 08, 2013, 06:58:20 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.

"Vaporware" is a computer industry expression for product that is promoted (or even advertised) but which, in reality, does not exist. As for "Made in California",  it doesn't even meet the minimum criteria for vaporware, since there is no promotion. And Capitol's statement (in December 2010) didn't even mention a title for the box set  project. The title "Made in California" may be nothing more than a product of fan-generated rumor on the internet.



You didn't see the MIC logo that was posted on the facebook of somebody who is working on the project.

Or the fact that people on this board have actually seen a possibly track listing, or the fact that members of the band have actually acknowledged the box set's existence. How about the fact that we have gotten a release date.

Come on Phil we know you love box sets and hate waiting for them but wait this one out patiently with us.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on May 08, 2013, 07:01:36 PM
Honestly, these people are right. He is mentally ill. This behaviour shouldn't be encouraged.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 08, 2013, 07:06:48 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.

"Vaporware" is a computer industry expression for product that is promoted (or even advertised) but which, in reality, does not exist. As for "Made in California",  it doesn't even meet the minimum criteria for vaporware, since there is no promotion. And Capitol's statement (in December 2010) didn't even mention a title for the box set  project. The title "Made in California" may be nothing more than a product of fan-generated rumor on the internet.

In all likelyhood, given the difficulties of dealing with the dysfunctional , feuding Beach Boys, Capitol(under its new owners) probably doesn't even care whether The Beach Boys ever agree to or deliver the box set project. "50 Big Ones" and the 12 album remasters didn't sell in huge quantities. Capitol has plenty of other, much easier ways to make money: by releasing a CD or download by one Capitol's  contemporary 21st century artists. Such product will easily outsell the mythical Beach Boys box set.  For Capitol, releasing contemporary music (by artists eager to see their music released) is simply taking  the path of least resistance.


Phil, why do you hate Capitol so much?

Please, PHIL me in.
Get it?
You're welcome.

No, seriously, why do you?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 08, 2013, 07:20:26 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.
Phil, you never replied to my bet. MIC doesn't come out, I permanently quit the board. If it comes out this summer, you do the same. Time to put up or shut up!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 07:25:24 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.

"Vaporware" is a computer industry expression for product that is promoted (or even advertised) but which, in reality, does not exist. As for "Made in California",  it doesn't even meet the minimum criteria for vaporware, since there is no promotion. And Capitol's statement (in December 2010) didn't even mention a title for the box set  project. The title "Made in California" may be nothing more than a product of fan-generated rumor on the internet.

In all likelyhood, given the difficulties of dealing with the dysfunctional , feuding Beach Boys, Capitol(under its new owners) probably doesn't even care whether The Beach Boys ever agree to or deliver the box set project. "50 Big Ones" and the 12 album remasters didn't sell in huge quantities. Capitol has plenty of other, much easier ways to make money: by releasing a CD or download by one Capitol's  contemporary 21st century artists. Such product will easily outsell the mythical Beach Boys box set.  For Capitol, releasing contemporary music (by artists eager to see their music released) is simply taking  the path of least resistance.


Phil, why do you hate Capitol so much?

Please, PHIL me in.
Get it?
You're welcome.

No, seriously, why do you?

I believe in a concept that may seem old-fashioned to many of you, and it is this: If you make a promise, then you keep that promise. If you say that you're going to release a box set "Later This Year"(I.E. in 2012), then you follow through and you DELIVER THE GOODS. The blame for the situation we now have resides primarily with the feuding Beach Boys, and, to a lesser extent, with Capitol Records.

One thing that is certain(and I'm sure that we can all agree on this): None of us music fans are to blame that The Beach Boys have split into two feuding factions. We are not to blame for the fact that they can't get along with each other.

Maybe they (The Beach Boys) should recognize that it is time to put the fans first, and permit the box set to be released. Then, they can go back to hating and suing each other for the remainder of their days. Without the fans, neither faction has a career.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on May 08, 2013, 07:36:44 PM
I want the box set as much as everybody, but if new material was/is discovered after the announcment of the box, then I would gladly wait another 6 or so months until said material can be evaluated and properly considered. What if they released the box set tomorrow, and found the lost vocal sessions for "I Ran" next week? Or Dennis's Labor Day?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on May 08, 2013, 07:44:18 PM
I want the box set as much as everybody, but if new material was/is discovered after the announcment of the box, then I would gladly wait another 6 or so months until said material can be evaluated and properly considered. What if they released the box set tomorrow, and found the lost vocal sessions for "I Ran" next week? Or Dennis's Labor Day?

 I'm thinking you're almost as crazy as Phil. Someday, someday.....   


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on May 08, 2013, 08:02:50 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on May 08, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

You don't really believe that...you just wanted to use "vaporware" in a post.

"Vaporware" is a computer industry expression for product that is promoted (or even advertised) but which, in reality, does not exist. As for "Made in California",  it doesn't even meet the minimum criteria for vaporware, since there is no promotion. And Capitol's statement (in December 2010) didn't even mention a title for the box set  project. The title "Made in California" may be nothing more than a product of fan-generated rumor on the internet.

In all likelyhood, given the difficulties of dealing with the dysfunctional , feuding Beach Boys, Capitol(under its new owners) probably doesn't even care whether The Beach Boys ever agree to or deliver the box set project. "50 Big Ones" and the 12 album remasters didn't sell in huge quantities. Capitol has plenty of other, much easier ways to make money: by releasing a CD or download by one Capitol's  contemporary 21st century artists. Such product will easily outsell the mythical Beach Boys box set.  For Capitol, releasing contemporary music (by artists eager to see their music released) is simply taking  the path of least resistance.


Phil, why do you hate Capitol so much?

Please, PHIL me in.
Get it?
You're welcome.

No, seriously, why do you?

I believe in a concept that may seem old-fashioned to many of you, and it is this: If you make a promise, then you keep that promise. If you say that you're going to release a box set "Later This Year"(I.E. in 2012), then you follow through and you DELIVER THE GOODS. The blame for the situation we now have resides primarily with the feuding Beach Boys, and, to a lesser extent, with Capitol Records.

One thing that is certain(and I'm sure that we can all agree on this): None of us music fans are to blame that The Beach Boys have split into two feuding factions. We are not to blame for the fact that they can't get along with each other.

Maybe they (The Beach Boys) should recognize that it is time to put the fans first, and permit the box set to be released. Then, they can go back to hating and suing each other for the remainder of their days. Without the fans, neither faction has a career.

Yeah, but when was it ever said "BOX SET IN 2012. WE PROMISE!!!"

Usually when major delays happen with archival releases, it's because more has been found that folks want included. If that's the case, I ain't really bitchin'.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 08, 2013, 09:05:13 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on May 08, 2013, 09:26:24 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SenorPotatoHead on May 08, 2013, 10:01:35 PM
perhaps what MIC really stands for is  "Mission: Irritate Cohen"


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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on May 08, 2013, 10:18:01 PM
That's actually pretty eerily similar to a modern day bored Brian expression.  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 08, 2013, 11:33:03 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


I'm not waiting.

Please, let's not let another thread get derailed with this stuff.  It really is pointless.  You will never, ever convince this guy of anything that he does not want to believe.  It just won't happen.  Accept it and move on.

Now, let's hear a little more from adamghost.

Do you remember back before SMiLE came out and I said that Alan Boyd whispered something in my ear about it and I went "WHOA?" but never said what the "whoa" thing was?  I even got in trouble for THAT.  I ain't sayin' nuthin', except that when I saw this many moons back, it was enough of a fanboy wishlist that my first reaction was "I'll be amazed if something this cool gets past the BBs."  But my understanding is, after a few back and forths that got resolved, for the most part, it did. 

I did leave a one oblique comment about a particular song in another thread but I think people thought I was making a joke (which was, to be honest, my intent).  So there.

Now I got my own world tour to get ready for...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 09, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
FWIW, I second Adam's understanding.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Matt Bielewicz on May 09, 2013, 01:33:06 AM
That's actually pretty eerily similar to a modern day bored Brian expression.  ;D

Weeeeeelll... it's not actually *that* eerie. It *is* the same guy, after all!!   ;)


Oh, and can I be the first to go 'squeee!' at adamghost's info, and AGD's seconding of same? If the tracklist seriously impressed these two guys (particularly AGD, who isn't easily moved in this regard), then we are really in for a treat.

Good news, people, good news. May stuff like this continue to blow the Cohens of despair back whence they came. The dark places of the inside... or wherever. But not here. Not *anywhere* here.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 09, 2013, 01:59:04 AM
I'll put this delicately, as I know he posts here intermittently, but I take it David Leaf won't be doing the liner notes for this box. It's funny that he pretty much did everything from the late 80's till....well, 2004. For everything else it was, BWPS was a political moment for the BB's as a whole. Did he jump or was he pushed?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 09, 2013, 02:02:17 AM
I'll put this delicately, as I know he posts here intermittently, but I take it David Leaf won't be doing the liner notes for this box. It's funny that he pretty much did everything from the late 80's till....well, 2004. For everything else it was, BWPS was a political moment for the BB's as a whole. Did he jump or was he pushed?

He didn't do anything for the Beach Boys (as opposed to Brian) after the PS box -- he didn't do Hawthorne, Endless Harmony, Ultimate Christmas or the Brother reissues, all of which were pre-2004. And while I believe he is (or was at one point) persona non grata with Brian and/or his 'people', that didn't happen until at least 2008 -- Leaf was at the premiere of That Lucky Old Sun in London.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 09, 2013, 03:06:19 AM
Yes, your right (as always, Mr Hickey)

He was very active with Brian's touring career up to BWPS though. I got meet and greet passes from him a few times. He seemed a lovely guy.

I always enjoyed his liner notes, especially in the '93 and PS box. I felt his input and insight were solely lacking from the Smile set seeing as how he played as big a part as anyone in keeping the flame alive all those years. Just another casualty of the Melanagement, eh?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 09, 2013, 03:26:13 AM
Personally I am chuffed that Leaf won't be writing the liner notes this time as there was so much BS in what he wrote over the years.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 09, 2013, 03:48:30 AM
Personally I am chuffed that Leaf won't be writing the liner notes this time as there was so much BS in what he wrote over the years.

Well, he certainly had his slant on things, but that's to be expected if you're that close to the eye of the storm.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 09, 2013, 06:53:01 AM
Damn, I hate secrets unless I am the one keeping them.  >:D

oh just let the thread drop outta sight until some real news is released.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wirestone on May 09, 2013, 06:54:19 AM
I seem to recall that he was already on the outs with Brian's people before TLOS, but he was indeed at the premiere. As always, AGD knows where the bodies on this one are buried.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: grillo on May 09, 2013, 07:52:46 AM
I actually spoke to Leaf about his non-involvement in the Brother Years Re-issues after a BW show in '99 or 2000 and his only comment was "Ask Capitol". He ended our chat shortly thereafter...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bean Bag on May 09, 2013, 10:05:33 AM

  I need to compile all the stuff that's come out.  Let me know if I've missed anything.

Anniversary Collection 'ZinePak (Walmart Exclusive)

As far as I know, the only place you'll find "Do It Again", the 2012 studio version.

That reminds me... I forgot 50 big ones and Greatest Hits!  Duh!!

Do it Again (2012) is only on the Walmart exclusive?  Ugh.  I hate that kind of sh-t.


I updated my Reunion-Related Release List (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15498.msg367760.html#msg367760) back on Page 6, for those who give a poo.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 09, 2013, 10:16:47 AM

  I need to compile all the stuff that's come out.  Let me know if I've missed anything.

Anniversary Collection 'ZinePak (Walmart Exclusive)

As far as I know, the only place you'll find "Do It Again", the 2012 studio version.

That reminds me... I forgot 50 big ones and Greatest Hits!  Duh!!

Do it Again (2012) is only on the Walmart exclusive?  Ugh.  I hate that kind of sh-t.


I updated my Reunion-Related Release List (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15498.msg367760.html#msg367760) back on Page 6, for those who give a poo.

Do It Again was also a bonus on the Japanese CD issue of That's Why God... I believe. But yes, otherwise only available with the zine-pak.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bean Bag on May 09, 2013, 10:33:53 AM
...when I saw this many moons back, it was enough of a fanboy wishlist that my first reaction was "I'll be amazed if something this cool gets past the BBs."  But my understanding is, after a few back and forths that got resolved, for the most part, it did.
I assume the "this" that you're referring to is the MIC box proposed setlist.  I'm not trying to get you to say anything more than you should ... just happy to hear it sounds this promising --- if that's what you're referring to.

I wasn't expecting much, maybe some remixes and a single mix here and there.  Maybe some "Sherry She Needs Me," kind of stuff.  All great stuff of course, but we have SMiLE now, so I thought that might have been enough "adventurous material" for this decade.

But now you got me thinking, Adult Child kind of sh-t.   8)  Oh man, oh man!!  Ok...I'm not gonna hold out hope, but for me, anything from the Brian is back-era (and the Brian isn't back, he's home pounding out songs on his piano while Denny runs to grab some McDonald's hamburgers for Brian) - era is what I'm talking about.

It's all good though!!!  BRING. IT. ON!!!!


EDIT:  PS -- and I do mean it's ALL good.  As long as it's not 4 discs of California Girls, I Get Around, Surfin' and "rare" fan hits like "It's Ok."  :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 09, 2013, 12:56:01 PM
C'mon, Phil. Answer the question. You said that the Hoffman thread was "about whether (in the absence of "Made in California") people should seek out the 'Good Vibrations: 30 Years of The Beach Boys' box set."


Now, show me a single post in that 4-page thread, as of right now, that backs that statement of yours up.


We're all waiting.


I'm not waiting.

Please, let's not let another thread get derailed with this stuff.  It really is pointless.  You will never, ever convince this guy of anything that he does not want to believe.  It just won't happen.  Accept it and move on.

Now, let's hear a little more from adamghost.

I did leave a one oblique comment about a particular song in another thread but I think people thought I was making a joke (which was, to be honest, my intent).  So there.

I certainly saw that post and posted on your news. A newly discovered, previously unknown, Dennis Wilson recording that is better than WIBNTLA?  Wow! No wonder the boxset got delayed.

ps - for the life of me, I can no longer find your post about this newly discovered Dennis track. Removed?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on May 09, 2013, 02:33:28 PM
I noticed. I even commented on it. My comment was to ask why no one was commenting on it.  :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 09, 2013, 03:02:42 PM
I noticed. I even commented on it. My comment was to ask why no one was commenting on it.  :lol

Didn't a bunch of posts get wiped from that WIBNTLA thread? Yes, I think so, so bye bye adams post.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 09, 2013, 08:03:34 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.

While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!! With the already existing 1980's or 1990's "Wings Over America" 2-CD set(a composite show taken from several concerts with identical set lists) and the forthcoming "Rockshow" DVD or Bluray disc you'll have all the released  music performances.......unless you really need the hardcover books, poster, reproduction memorabilia, tour documentary DVD & 96Khz/24-bit audio download that will be exclusive to the $140 box.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on May 09, 2013, 08:30:34 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.

While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!! With the already existing 1980's or 1990's "Wings Over America" 2-CD set(a composite show taken from several concerts with identical set lists) and the forthcoming "Rockshow" DVD or Bluray disc you'll have all the released  music performances.......unless you really need the hardcover books, poster, reproduction memorabilia, tour documentary DVD & 96Khz/24-bit audio download that will be exclusive to the $140 box.

Actually Phil, one doesn't need to buy the box to get the 8 previously released audio tracks from the Cow Palace. You can buy a 3-disc version of Wings Over America on Best Buy's website. The link follows.

Wings Over America (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Wings+Over+America+(Best+Buy+Exclusive)+-+CD/8939138.p?id=2696502&skuId=8939138&st=wings%20over%20america&lp=1&cp=1)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on May 09, 2013, 08:32:50 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.

While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!! With the already existing 1980's or 1990's "Wings Over America" 2-CD set(a composite show taken from several concerts with identical set lists) and the forthcoming "Rockshow" DVD or Bluray disc you'll have all the released  music performances.......unless you really need the hardcover books, poster, reproduction memorabilia, tour documentary DVD & 96Khz/24-bit audio download that will be exclusive to the $140 box.

Better to just buy The Monkees Present( Deluxe) set:   http://monkeesstore.warnermusic.com/?eml=rn/050913/monkees3txt


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 09, 2013, 08:40:36 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.

While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!! With the already existing 1980's or 1990's "Wings Over America" 2-CD set(a composite show taken from several concerts with identical set lists) and the forthcoming "Rockshow" DVD or Bluray disc you'll have all the released  music performances.......unless you really need the hardcover books, poster, reproduction memorabilia, tour documentary DVD & 96Khz/24-bit audio download that will be exclusive to the $140 box.

Better to just buy The Monkees Present( Deluxe) set:   http://monkeesstore.warnermusic.com/?eml=rn/050913/monkees3txt

I ordered "The Monkees Present" set within minutes of it being offered online(today at 3 P.M. pacific time in the U.S.A.). I'm a HUGE Monkees fan, having seen them in July 1967 when I was 11 years old(I was at the 2nd of six shows where The Jimi Hendrix Experience was one of the opening acts), and I've bought all of Rhino's 2-CD & 3-CD expanded Monkees releases. Sadly, the 3-CD box set of "The Monkees Present" will be the final release by the "Rhino Handmade" label. It's not being offered at Rhino's website, but instead it is being offered at The Monkees' own website.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 09, 2013, 09:05:27 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.

While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!! With the already existing 1980's or 1990's "Wings Over America" 2-CD set(a composite show taken from several concerts with identical set lists) and the forthcoming "Rockshow" DVD or Bluray disc you'll have all the released  music performances.......unless you really need the hardcover books, poster, reproduction memorabilia, tour documentary DVD & 96Khz/24-bit audio download that will be exclusive to the $140 box.

Better to just buy The Monkees Present( Deluxe) set:   http://monkeesstore.warnermusic.com/?eml=rn/050913/monkees3txt

I guess this question is no more off-topic than your post.

How come Tork is missing from the album art?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 09, 2013, 09:12:32 PM
This has been a bad month for Phil. His Sonny and Cher rarities box set got delayed and he's confused about MIC.

We should cut him some slack.

Ha Ha. I'm not even a fan of Sonny & Cher.

Yeah, you prefer the solo Cher material, right Phil? Personally I'm hoping she puts out some more CD product soon, as I am worn out from listening to what CD product she has already released. I can also not wait for the live Wings CD product to be released later this month. Along with the new live Beach Boys CD product.

While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!! With the already existing 1980's or 1990's "Wings Over America" 2-CD set(a composite show taken from several concerts with identical set lists) and the forthcoming "Rockshow" DVD or Bluray disc you'll have all the released  music performances.......unless you really need the hardcover books, poster, reproduction memorabilia, tour documentary DVD & 96Khz/24-bit audio download that will be exclusive to the $140 box.

Better to just buy The Monkees Present( Deluxe) set:   http://monkeesstore.warnermusic.com/?eml=rn/050913/monkees3txt

I guess this question is no more off-topic than your post.

How come Tork is missing from the album art?

Because Tork left the group after the release of the album "Head"(or, more precisely, after the completion of the "Thirty-Three and a Third Revolutions Per Monkee" T.V. special). "The Monkees Present" was the 2nd post-Tork album("Instant Replay" was the first). I think Tork never got over the fact that none of the songs he had written or recorded during sessions for "The Birds, The Bees & The Monkees" were selected for the album, the result being that the piano playing on "Daydream Believer" was Tork's only appearance on "The Birds, The Bees & The Monkees".


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 09, 2013, 09:30:25 PM
...when I saw this many moons back, it was enough of a fanboy wishlist that my first reaction was "I'll be amazed if something this cool gets past the BBs."  But my understanding is, after a few back and forths that got resolved, for the most part, it did.
I assume the "this" that you're referring to is the MIC box proposed setlist.  I'm not trying to get you to say anything more than you should ... just happy to hear it sounds this promising --- if that's what you're referring to.

I wasn't expecting much, maybe some remixes and a single mix here and there.  Maybe some "Sherry She Needs Me," kind of stuff.  All great stuff of course, but we have SMiLE now, so I thought that might have been enough "adventurous material" for this decade.

But now you got me thinking, Adult Child kind of sh-t.   8)  Oh man, oh man!!  Ok...I'm not gonna hold out hope, but for me, anything from the Brian is back-era (and the Brian isn't back, he's home pounding out songs on his piano while Denny runs to grab some McDonald's hamburgers for Brian) - era is what I'm talking about.

It's all good though!!!  BRING. IT. ON!!!!


EDIT:  PS -- and I do mean it's ALL good.  As long as it's not 4 discs of California Girls, I Get Around, Surfin' and "rare" fan hits like "It's Ok."  :)

Yeah, it was the MIC proposed track list -- at least I assume so.  It didn't have a name then.

My reaction was something along the lines of "hey, it's like someone went through all the Smiley Smile Message Board posts and took notes of everyone's wish lists..."  (I strongly suspect that someone's name was Boyd)

And also, I have to say, every time I get exposed to this kind of information I deliberately try not to pay too close attention to it.  It's kind of the logic that, if someone tortures you, you can't divulge what you don't know (or can't remember).  I confess I did have another "whoa" moment but, well, you'll hopefully have your own soon enough.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jonathan Blum on May 09, 2013, 09:59:50 PM
This whole subject is becoming one big bore. The box set is vaporware.

Phil, I'm just going to point out something I pointed out last year.

In the space of about twelve months, they put out:  a comprehensive Smile Sessions box set, a new album, two different Greatest Hits, a whole stack of remastered albums, and a second career-spanning box-set.  That's approximately twenty-two discs of Beach Boys material.  More Beach Boys stuff than I think anyone has ever put out, ever, in a similar length of time.

You said the Smile Sessions box set would never come out.

You said the new album would never come out.

You said the Greatest Hits would never come out.

You said the remastered albums would never come out.

Even after the remastered albums came out in Japan, you said the remastered albums would never come out.

Now you're saying the box set will never come out.

You never gave the slightest indication that you felt your statements were in any way doubtful.



Look at your life, man.  Look at your choices.

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 09, 2013, 10:14:29 PM
Thing is, if he didn't say these things he'd have nothing to say. Unless this was a Monkees forum.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on May 09, 2013, 11:01:03 PM
You know what? I sincerely hope that the very next time there is going to be a beach boys project, it gets released on the initial announcement. Or I hope that it really doesn't get released at all. Just to get Phil's reaction.  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 10, 2013, 01:00:02 AM
Thing is, if he didn't say these things he'd have nothing to say. Unless this was a Monkees forum.

No, then he'd just be complaining that the Monkees Present box set was never going to come out, just like the instant Replay, Head, Birds Bees... boxes before it (those boxes all came out).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Loaf on May 10, 2013, 01:48:49 AM
He's a troll, simple as that. He knows exactly what he's doing, he's playing a character on the internet who gets people bothered and elicits lots of responses.

Don't bother replying :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 10, 2013, 02:22:46 AM
Or else he has some mild mental health issues, in which case you lot are a bunch of arseholes.

I find it quite easy to tolerate him, its not like he's being abusive or nasty. I

Its just  playground mentality the way you all go on at him. He's not doing any harm. Easy victim, eh?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 10, 2013, 02:45:12 AM
If you want the posts to stop don't reply, if you like his take on things reply. Nobody is required to read anything on here they don't wish to. I'm not trying to put anyone down, Phil included, I'm just asking why people bother with his posts if they don't like them? If one thing is certain on a message board it's that some people like to trade ideas, some people have fixed ideas. The people with fixed ideas are not going to change no matter what one says. This rule of thumb has worked for me since I have been online.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on May 10, 2013, 03:45:07 AM
If you want the posts to stop don't reply, if you like his take on things reply. Nobody is required to read anything on here they don't wish to. I'm not trying to put anyone down, Phil included, I'm just asking why people bother with his posts if they don't like them? If one thing is certain on a message board it's that some people like to trade ideas, some people have fixed ideas. The people with fixed ideas are not going to change no matter what one says. This rule of thumb has worked for me since I have been online.

Wise words, Mike. I myself, in a distant past, sometimes had the urge to 'jump' onto posts that got to me, in one or another way. That isn't wise. It costs time and energy, esp. if the poster in question is very rigid in his/her opinions. I changed this, and I try to see the humour of it, instead of fruitlessly trying to change someone else's dogmas.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 10, 2013, 03:47:32 AM
If you want the posts to stop don't reply, if you like his take on things reply. Nobody is required to read anything on here they don't wish to. I'm not trying to put anyone down, Phil included, I'm just asking why people bother with his posts if they don't like them? If one thing is certain on a message board it's that some people like to trade ideas, some people have fixed ideas. The people with fixed ideas are not going to change no matter what one says. This rule of thumb has worked for me since I have been online.

Wise words, Mike. I myself, in a distant past, sometimes had the urge to 'jump' onto posts that got to me, in one or another way. That isn't wise. It costs time and energy, esp. if the poster in question is very rigid in his/her opinions. I changed this, and I try to see the humour of it, instead of fruitlessly trying to change someone else's dogmas.

Quite right. Like we're tolerant of dear old grandma even though she's a frightful racist......


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 10, 2013, 03:57:22 AM
Or else he has some mild mental health issues, in which case you lot are a bunch of arseholes.

I find it quite easy to tolerate him, its not like he's being abusive or nasty. I

Its just  playground mentality the way you all go on at him. He's not doing any harm. Easy victim, eh?


1+. all of this. It's genuinely pathetic, besides there are other regularly posted opinions on this forum that boil my piss way more than anything this guy has ever posted. Got to know the Woman haters, ffs.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 10, 2013, 04:08:42 AM
Or else he has some mild mental health issues, in which case you lot are a bunch of arseholes.

I find it quite easy to tolerate him, its not like he's being abusive or nasty. I

Its just  playground mentality the way you all go on at him. He's not doing any harm. Easy victim, eh?


Probably he has. Doesn't give him a free pass to post complete nonsense which is extremely irritating to those involved with the subject he's posting about (there's a very good reason no-one tells him anything - he's not to be trusted with a confidence), or absolve him from being a proven bootlegger. As for the old "don't like it-don't read it" canard... if you found a turd in your hot dog, would you politely eat around it, or complain to the vendor ?  Exactly.

Someone on this board saved his ass once recently: I doubt they'll be doing that again.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 10, 2013, 04:14:04 AM
Or else he has some mild mental health issues, in which case you lot are a bunch of arseholes.

I find it quite easy to tolerate him, its not like he's being abusive or nasty. I

Its just  playground mentality the way you all go on at him. He's not doing any harm. Easy victim, eh?


I don't think anyone's been particularly cruel to Phil here, with the possible exception of Jay. Jon pointed out to him that he's been consistently wrong in all his complaints, John said that all Phil does is complain, and I made a (fairly poor) joke.

Phil's posts can get very, very irritating at times, when literally *all* he has to say on the topic of the Beach Boys is "the box set will never come out", and his posts on that subject can get very tiresome. I don't think he has any mental health problems (and if he did, as I just said on another thread, mental health problems aren't a "get out of bad behaviour free" card), and nor do I think he's trolling. I think he's a pessimist, and I have a lot of sympathy with that in the general case -- but in the specific case of the Beach Boys he's been proved wrong time and again in the last couple of years.

I don't think anyone wants to shut Phil up -- I certainly don't, he's obviously someone with a reasonable amount of musical knowledge -- but he has made his opinion about the box very, very, *very* clear at this point, and by restating it he is only adding to the noise, not to the signal.

I think if he talked about *anything* else Beach Boys related, the annoyance with him would drop right down. But when he comes along and says the same things yet again, it's only reasonable that people react with exasperation or annoyance.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on May 10, 2013, 04:20:33 AM
If you want the posts to stop don't reply, if you like his take on things reply. Nobody is required to read anything on here they don't wish to. I'm not trying to put anyone down, Phil included, I'm just asking why people bother with his posts if they don't like them? If one thing is certain on a message board it's that some people like to trade ideas, some people have fixed ideas. The people with fixed ideas are not going to change no matter what one says. This rule of thumb has worked for me since I have been online.

Wise words, Mike. I myself, in a distant past, sometimes had the urge to 'jump' onto posts that got to me, in one or another way. That isn't wise. It costs time and energy, esp. if the poster in question is very rigid in his/her opinions. I changed this, and I try to see the humour of it, instead of fruitlessly trying to change someone else's dogmas.


Quite right. Like we're tolerant of dear old grandma even though she's a frightful racist......

Hi Stephen, with all due respect -

your hypothetical example, analogy if you will, would automatically lead to intervention of the admins. Well, they made it clear to PC that his submissions were unacceptable in the past. So it's not as if nothing at all would happen if all of us were to behave the way I do. I guess I wanted to say: I don't care about what PC posts. Should others post evident garbage that is inconsistent with their normal opinions, I would certainly say something about it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 10, 2013, 04:52:32 AM
Or else he has some mild mental health issues, in which case you lot are a bunch of arseholes.

I find it quite easy to tolerate him, its not like he's being abusive or nasty. I

Its just  playground mentality the way you all go on at him. He's not doing any harm. Easy victim, eh?


Probably he has. Doesn't give him a free pass to post complete nonsense which is extremely irritating to those involved with the subject he's posting about (there's a very good reason no-one tells him anything - he's not to be trusted with a confidence), or absolve him from being a proven bootlegger. As for the old "don't like it-don't read it" canard... if you found a turd in your hot dog, would you politely eat around it, or complain to the vendor ?  Exactly.

Someone on this board saved his ass once recently: I doubt they'll be doing that again.

Just so nobody has the wrong idea, I of course think one should defend themselves against anything that misrepresents you or your character. I took on VDP on here after he took liberties with me so naturally I feel any direct falsehood should be addressed strongly.

Ye, I think it is a truism that certain personalities say things for attention. Making anyone like that a focus can play right into what they are seeking. I want to make it clear one more time that nobody (especially a person who is as dedicated as AGD) should have to take personal affronts lying down, but some people just want to be a talking point. It's not what people are saying that matters to them, bad or good they just want to be in the center of the ring.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on May 10, 2013, 05:51:06 AM
While it's off-topic, I should mention that even the 8 previously unreleased "Cow Palace" tracks on the forthcoming(and very pricey) "Wings Over America" CD/DVD box set are merely previously unreleased on CD. You see, the "Rockshow" film( to be released on DVD & Bluray in June with the concert presented in full for the first time; 8 more songs than the VHS or Laserdisc) was filmed (guess where).....at The Cow Palace!!!

Nope.  "Rock Show" was filmed in New York, Seattle, and Los Angeles.  The Cow Palace is in San Francisco.

An exciting year for archival releases.  We got the Wings set, Monkees Present, upcoming Beach Boys box, and a 17-disc Harry Nilsson box was just announced for late July (And $80 cheaper on Amazon UK than US).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 10, 2013, 06:34:44 AM
By the way, contrast the Monkees & Wings product with the proposed Beach Boys box set. We have a tracklisting and photo of the Monkees & Wings products, but, after 18 months, NOTHING for the Beach Boys product. As for postponements, I would note, that even during the 4 years of postponement's on Universal Music "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A"(the tracklisting and photo were finally revealed today!), at least we were told the reason why(problems getting permission from several artists)

I know that you guys all think that I'm unreasonable, mentally ill or whatever, but I do think that when The Beach Boys box failed to appear in 2012, that some sort of statement should have been issued, to, at least assert that Capitol and/or The Beach Boys were still ATTEMPTING to complete the project, and if not, to simply tell the fans that the project is in limbo, or perhaps not to be.

As I've said before(and I'll say it again), Why the obsession with secrecy?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 10, 2013, 06:39:11 AM
By the way, contrast the Monkees & Wings product with the proposed Beach Boys box set. We have a tracklisting and photo of the Monkees & Wings products, but, after 18 months, NOTHING for the Beach Boys product. As for postponements, I would note, that even during the 4 years of postponement's on Universal Music "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A"(the tracklisting and photo were finally revealed today!), at least we were told the reason why(problems getting permission from several artists)

I know that you guys all think that I'm unreasonable, mentally ill or whatever, but I do think that when The Beach Boys box failed to appear in 2012, that some sort of statement should have been issued, to, at least assert that Capitol and/or The Beach Boys were still ATTEMPTING to complete the project, and if not, to simply tell the fans that the project is in limbo, or perhaps not to be.

As I've said before(and I'll say it again), Why the obsession with secrecy?

but....you're the one obsessed with secrecy?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 10, 2013, 06:45:14 AM
I've come to this conclusion: that most,if not all of you, think that it's entirely reasonable that Capitol has maintained total silence concerning the Beach Boys box set project . Most people(other than the obsessed fans that populate forums like this) long ago forgot about this project, and moved on with their lives and moved on with their music collecting hobbies.

The obsessed fans were the only ones keeping the flame burning(with our hopes that the box set may yet appear), even in the face of Capitol's seeming apathy.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: filledeplage on May 10, 2013, 06:48:22 AM
By the way, contrast the Monkees & Wings product with the proposed Beach Boys box set. We have a tracklisting and photo of the Monkees & Wings products, but, after 18 months, NOTHING for the Beach Boys product. As for postponements, I would note, that even during the 4 years of postponement's on Universal Music "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A"(the tracklisting and photo were finally revealed today!), at least we were told the reason why(problems getting permission from several artists)

I know that you guys all think that I'm unreasonable, mentally ill or whatever, but I do think that when The Beach Boys box failed to appear in 2012, that some sort of statement should have been issued, to, at least assert that Capitol and/or The Beach Boys were still ATTEMPTING to complete the project, and if not, to simply tell the fans that the project is in limbo, or perhaps not to be.

As I've said before(and I'll say it again), Why the obsession with secrecy?

Phil - this band is unlike any other. They are a constant work-in-progress, and I don't mean any impertinence. I wouldn't venture to diagnose you as "mentally ill."  I'm not a doctor.   ;)

My grandmother used to say, "When the apple is ready, it will fall off the tree." Naysayers had to "eat their words with a fork and spoon" recently with C50 which was reported almost universally as "Never gonna happen." And, it did.

Perhaps, there are emerging tracks, or close "ties" for potentially included tracks.  They'll tell us when it's ready.  


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 10, 2013, 06:56:58 AM
I know that you guys all think that I'm unreasonable, mentally ill or whatever, but I do think that when The Beach Boys box failed to appear in 2012, that some sort of statement should have been issued, to, at least assert that Capitol and/or The Beach Boys were still ATTEMPTING to complete the project, and if not, to simply tell the fans that the project is in limbo, or perhaps not to be.

As I've said before(and I'll say it again), Why the obsession with secrecy?

What obsession with secrecy? The Monkees Present box set tracklist has been released because the release date is expected to be July 30, two and a half months from now. There were no prior announcements about that box that I saw, and I'm very active in the Monkees fan community (I may have missed something, but I doubt it) -- everyone assumed there'd be one, but no announcements were made until now.

Personally, I only expect announcements when or if there's something new to announce, not just a weekly bulletin of "yep, still doing it", "still doing our jobs", "on holiday this week", "still working"....

Assuming the late-August release date is correct for the Made In California set, and that Capitol/Universal runs to the same timescale as Rhino/Warners, then we should expect information in about a month.

(And I for one wouldn't dream of assuming you were mentally ill, but nor would I think any worse of you if you were...)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 10, 2013, 07:15:01 AM
This idea just occurred to me: What if Capitol did decide to announce a track listing, and it turned out to be an anti-climax, sort of like the 17-disc Moody Blues box(which has several hours of unreleased concert recordings, but not ONE unreleased studio track) . We may yet find ourselves saying, "So this is why they didn't want us to know anything".


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 10, 2013, 07:25:58 AM
This idea just occurred to me: What if Capitol did decide to announce a track listing, and it turned out to be an anti-climax, sort of like the 17-disc Moody Blues box(which has several hours of unreleased concert recordings, but not ONE unreleased studio track) . We may yet find ourselves saying, "So this is why they didn't want us to know anything".

I suspect that some people will find the tracklist an anticlimax no matter what it is, given some of the conflicting demands that have been made in these threads. That said, Adam Marsland said earlier in this thread (and AGD said this went with what he knows) that he'd seen a provisional tracklist, which he understands to be close to the final one, and that it's a Beach Boys fan's dream.

My guess is that we don't have too much to worry about, but if it turns out not to be very good, then the solution's simple -- just don't buy it. I won't, if it doesn't look any good.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 10, 2013, 07:41:14 AM

My guess is that we don't have too much to worry about, but if it turns out not to be very good, then the solution's simple -- just don't buy it. I won't, if it doesn't look any good.

Yeah... is anyone ACTUALLY losing sleep over this? I forget all about it til I come on here...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: the professor on May 10, 2013, 09:47:52 AM
Alan Boyd has kindly asked the Professor to pass on to the SS board that all is going well, and he suspects you all will enjoy the selection and the rarities of the 6 albums, with various live and unreleased cuts--many of which will fulfill some announced and tormented longings that I have seen expressed in these pages.  The release date is not firm, but hold on, and I am sure that we will all enjoy all of it.

This is no secret, but he was also not sanguine about a BB album for this year (it's only the silly Professor who thought it possible) and is not so sanguine about the full-show DVD releases that we all dream of (as Andrew H has explained, the licencing is just too formidable).  But AB himself is is good health and spirits on the heals of his Grammy, and the professor takes this moment to salute and thank him for enabling so much happiness and joy. So on all matters BB, I suggest we relax and enjoy the only sure things: the live album, and the boxed set, which are real and which both will be majestic.

The ultimate point of his kind update?  Hold on, dear brother!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 10, 2013, 10:35:49 AM


I know that you guys all think that I'm unreasonable, mentally ill or whatever, but I do think that when The Beach Boys box failed to appear in 2012, that some sort of statement should have been issued, to, at least assert that Capitol and/or The Beach Boys were still ATTEMPTING to complete the project, and if not, to simply tell the fans that the project is in limbo, or perhaps not to be.


Lord help me but I actually do agree with you to a degree on the highlighted part above Phil, yes it would have been nice to have a had a bone thrown when the box was delayed. Still there have been enough subtle nods and winks from people on this board (and elsewhere) very much in the know in the past few months to clear away any doubts about the box's future.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 10, 2013, 10:50:14 AM
This idea just occurred to me: What if Capitol did decide to announce a track listing, and it turned out to be an anti-climax, sort of like the 17-disc Moody Blues box(which has several hours of unreleased concert recordings, but not ONE unreleased studio track) . We may yet find ourselves saying, "So this is why they didn't want us to know anything".
Have to agree that the new Moodies box is a big disappointment but MIC is gonna be awesome. I am seeing some very interesting things in my crystal ball.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on May 10, 2013, 11:07:50 AM
This idea just occurred to me: What if Capitol did decide to announce a track listing, and it turned out to be an anti-climax, sort of like the 17-disc Moody Blues box(which has several hours of unreleased concert recordings, but not ONE unreleased studio track) . We may yet find ourselves saying, "So this is why they didn't want us to know anything".

It would make for a really great thread


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 10, 2013, 11:30:11 AM
By the way, contrast the Monkees & Wings product with the proposed Beach Boys box set. We have a tracklisting and photo of the Monkees & Wings products, but, after 18 months, NOTHING for the Beach Boys product. As for postponements, I would note, that even during the 4 years of postponement's on Universal Music "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A"(the tracklisting and photo were finally revealed today!), at least we were told the reason why(problems getting permission from several artists)

I know that you guys all think that I'm unreasonable, mentally ill or whatever, but I do think that when The Beach Boys box failed to appear in 2012, that some sort of statement should have been issued, to, at least assert that Capitol and/or The Beach Boys were still ATTEMPTING to complete the project, and if not, to simply tell the fans that the project is in limbo, or perhaps not to be.

As I've said before(and I'll say it again), Why the obsession with secrecy?



I can't believe I'm about to do this, but...


There's a key point that needs to be addressed, Phil. There was never a concrete, set-in-stone, 2012 street date for the MIC box. Nor, was there ever an absolute or official announcement for any BBs box set by Capitol in 2012. All that existed in 2012 were internet rumblings of a proposed box set that would *hopefully* be out that year. There may have even been a suggestion or two of it coming out by Christmas. A comment here and there from those in-the-know. But, again, that was merely internet rumblings, hopes and dreams. Thus, why on earth should Capitol issue an update statement on something that was never officially announced in the first place? You're penalizing Capitol for not commenting on *nebulous* "product"...as you like to call it!

Let me put it this way: You're a hardcore music fan. You obviously know that things get proposed, suggested and held-up all the time. Heck, even when things *have* been officially announced. You're a Hollies fan. You certainly remember that "Treasured Hits and Hidden Treasures" 2-CD set (or whatever the hell it was initially called) that got held up for two years, eventually became a 3-CD set, and finally got released as "30th Anniversary Collection." And, unlike MIC, this was something that WAS officially announced and initially, publicly commented on by the powers-that-be. Does that make EMI the label of secrecy and contempt, too, for the delay and about-face? I'll tell you this much, like you, I've done liner notes and annotations on a few occasions for a small label. Nothing fancy or utterly important, but something very real in terms of back catalog material. I saw a proposed title get mastered...artwork drawn up...test-pressings made. Only to have the whole thing canceled for an almost unbelievable reason. And it had nothing to to do with secrecy or contempt on the label's part. So, please stop acting like there's some kind of grand conspiracy, or "mission to divide fans" on Capitol's part -- every single time, and the minute something gets proposed or suggested. Short of a personal invitation to the mastering session, I'm not sure anything will ever satisfy your need to accuse when it comes to Capitol and the Beach Boys. Considering the sheer amount of BBs "product" we've had over the last two years, I'd reckon they just want to pace themselves, for god's sake, before they make a concrete and definitive announcement. Does that sound like contempt?

Yet, as others have noted, you automatically pull this routine every time. And then, never own up to being 100% wrong after it does materialize. You just start the cycle all over again. Announce that "it's never coming out". Put thoughts in people's heads. Make up nonsense about a "wall of secrecy," and how fans "have already given up hope." Okay, fine, you don't need professional help. My apologies. Then, that leaves only one other thing: You're merely a juvenile troll, trying to get a rise out of people. If you weren't, you'd stop this silly repeat cycle, and admit that you have no idea what you're talking about. Most importantly, you'd face your previous statements. The examples posted above are a good place to start. Otherwise, again, you're simply a troll trying to get a rise out of people. I'll give you this much............you've succeeded.

As far as people "shouldn't respond to Phil," or, *they're* being cruel. Sorry, but that's a two-way street. If a person is going to post baseless nonsense and spam on a forum, time-and-time again, people are going to start forming their own conclusions, and even respond when the nonsense doesn't stop. Especially if that said spammer feels the need to debase others on a regular basis or put thoughts in people's heads. Think about it? When he says something is "vaporware," he's essentially called every person who has graciously given us some morsels on any of the proposed "product" -- including MIC -- liars. Alan...Adam...Andrew. Isn't that cruel, too?




Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: shelter on May 10, 2013, 11:31:56 AM
The obsessed fans were the only ones keeping the flame burning
No one who isn't a big Beach Boys fan will buy a pricey Beach Boys item like a six disc box set. So I guess it makes perfect sense that only the, as you call them, "obsessed" fans care. The casual fans never cared to begin with.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on May 10, 2013, 11:36:41 AM
Adam Marsland said…he'd seen a provisional tracklist, which he understands to be close to the final one, and that it's a Beach Boys fan's dream.

Me too, and I agree.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 10, 2013, 01:49:06 PM
Alan Boyd has kindly asked the Professor to pass on to the SS board that all is going well, and he suspects you all will enjoy the selection and the rarities of the 6 albums, with various live and unreleased cuts--many of which will fulfill some announced and tormented longings that I have seen expressed in these pages.  The release date is not firm, but hold on, and I am sure that we will all enjoy all of it.

This is no secret, but he was also not sanguine about a BB album for this year (it's only the silly Professor who thought it possible) and is not so sanguine about the full-show DVD releases that we all dream of (as Andrew H has explained, the licencing is just too formidable).  But AB himself is is good health and spirits on the heals of his Grammy, and the professor takes this moment to salute and thank him for enabling so much happiness and joy. So on all matters BB, I suggest we relax and enjoy the only sure things: the live album, and the boxed set, which are real and which both will be majestic.

The ultimate point of his kind update?  Hold on, dear brother!

Amen.  And, there ya go.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on May 10, 2013, 02:21:30 PM
Adam Marsland said…he'd seen a provisional tracklist, which he understands to be close to the final one, and that it's a Beach Boys fan's dream.

Me too, and I agree.

Me too


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 10, 2013, 02:22:43 PM
Alan Boyd has kindly asked the Professor to pass on to the SS board that all is going well, and he suspects you all will enjoy the selection and the rarities of the 6 albums, with various live and unreleased cuts--many of which will fulfill some announced and tormented longings that I have seen expressed in these pages.  The release date is not firm, but hold on, and I am sure that we will all enjoy all of it.

This is no secret, but he was also not sanguine about a BB album for this year (it's only the silly Professor who thought it possible) and is not so sanguine about the full-show DVD releases that we all dream of (as Andrew H has explained, the licencing is just too formidable).  But AB himself is is good health and spirits on the heals of his Grammy, and the professor takes this moment to salute and thank him for enabling so much happiness and joy. So on all matters BB, I suggest we relax and enjoy the only sure things: the live album, and the boxed set, which are real and which both will be majestic.

The ultimate point of his kind update?  Hold on, dear brother!

Pretty much exactly what I suspected on all counts, but it's nice to have this kind of confirmation.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 10, 2013, 02:44:22 PM
Alan Boyd has kindly asked the Professor to pass on to the SS board that all is going well, and he suspects you all will enjoy the selection and the rarities of the 6 albums, with various live and unreleased cuts--many of which will fulfill some announced and tormented longings that I have seen expressed in these pages.  The release date is not firm, but hold on, and I am sure that we will all enjoy all of it.

This is no secret, but he was also not sanguine about a BB album for this year (it's only the silly Professor who thought it possible) and is not so sanguine about the full-show DVD releases that we all dream of (as Andrew H has explained, the licencing is just too formidable).  But AB himself is is good health and spirits on the heals of his Grammy, and the professor takes this moment to salute and thank him for enabling so much happiness and joy. So on all matters BB, I suggest we relax and enjoy the only sure things: the live album, and the boxed set, which are real and which both will be majestic.

The ultimate point of his kind update?  Hold on, dear brother!

Pretty much exactly what I suspected on all counts, but it's nice to have this kind of confirmation.

Hmm so does this mean it isn't coming out on 8/27?  I wouldn't be surprised to see it get pushed back until the Christmas market.  It would make a lot of folks around here blue if it did but I'm preparing for that eventuality. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 10, 2013, 02:55:27 PM

Hmm so does this mean it isn't coming out on 8/27? 

No, all he said was "the release date is not firm". That Monkees box Phil's been talking about also doesn't have a firm release date, even though they're already taking pre-orders. I just bought it, and the site says "Please note: The release date 7/30/13 is not yet finalized and subject to change. You will be notified if there is a delay in the arrival date for your product.  Cover art is not final and may change."

Clearly the record label in that case is just not able to guarantee release dates two months out, and I assume something similar is the case with Made In California. Doesn't mean they're not planning on an August release.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 10, 2013, 03:25:50 PM
This idea just occurred to me: What if Capitol did decide to announce a track listing, and it turned out to be an anti-climax, sort of like the 17-disc Moody Blues box(which has several hours of unreleased concert recordings, but not ONE unreleased studio track) . We may yet find ourselves saying, "So this is why they didn't want us to know anything".

Once again, spoken as one who doesn't have the slightest clue about what he's talking about. Someone should put him out of his - and our - misery.

Here's three givens. The box will happen. There will be unreleased tracks. And Cohen will find something else to bitch about - two seconds edited from "(WIBNT)LA", probably, although as he's never heard it, how would he know ? Never stopped him before, of course: one of the minor joys  about the Smile box track listing being released was him weeping and wailing about the promo piece being omitted, and knowing that it was included, as a hidden track. That was very sweet.  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 10, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
If you were wondering what, if anything I had hoped for in a Beach Boys box set, I would say: previously unheard 1960's & 1970's concert recordings, more "Smile" material, some "Smiley Smile"/"Wild Honey"/"Friends" vault tracks(if any have been found),some more stereo remixes, and some (officially) unreleased 1970's songs. But I should caution, that, as recording technology matured(with the introduction of 16 & 24 track recording in the 1970's, then the introduction of digital recording, drum machines & computer-programmed instrumentation in the 1980's), that true alternate takes(as opposed to alternate mixes with some different vocal or instrumental parts) became , increasingly a thing of the past. And, as a primarily vocal group(though they did sometimes play instruments in the studio), that The Beach Boys didn't add vocals until  satisfactory instrumental tracks had been achieved.

This was often true for Beach Boys recordings from the 1970's onward, but especially true for The Moody Blues, whose recordings(particularly with producer Tony Visconti) became, increasingly a result of computer programming(as opposed to hand-played instruments). True outtakes(in the 1960's sense) became more infrequent.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 10, 2013, 04:40:33 PM
This idea just occurred to me: What if Capitol did decide to announce a track listing, and it turned out to be an anti-climax, sort of like the 17-disc Moody Blues box(which has several hours of unreleased concert recordings, but not ONE unreleased studio track) . We may yet find ourselves saying, "So this is why they didn't want us to know anything".

Once again, spoken as one who doesn't have the slightest clue about what he's talking about. Someone should put him out of his - and our - misery.

Here's three givens. The box will happen. There will be unreleased tracks. And Cohen will find something else to bitch about - two seconds edited from "(WIBNT)LA", probably, although as he's never heard it, how would he know ? Never stopped him before, of course: one of the minor joys  about the Smile box track listing being released was him weeping and wailing about the promo piece being omitted, and knowing that it was included, as a hidden track. That was very sweet.  ;D

You were the one who denounced me for thinking that the "Smile" promo message should be included in the "Smile" box set. That promo message(a reminder of what could have been, but was not to be...in 1967) was part of the "Smile" legend.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 10, 2013, 07:01:44 PM
When he says something is "vaporware," he's essentially called every person who has graciously given us some morsels on any of the proposed "product" -- including MIC -- liars. Alan...Adam...Andrew. Isn't that cruel, too?


Might be, if any of us cared. 

Both the beauty and downfall of an internet forum is only interest in a subject is required to participate...not necessarily anybody knowing what they're talking about. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 10, 2013, 09:43:43 PM
When he says something is "vaporware," he's essentially called every person who has graciously given us some morsels on any of the proposed "product" -- including MIC -- liars. Alan...Adam...Andrew. Isn't that cruel, too?


Might be, if any of us cared. 

Both the beauty and downfall of an internet forum is only interest in a subject is required to participate...not necessarily anybody knowing what they're talking about. 


That is true. The internet is about the biggest collection of disparate personalities brought together by a common interest -- usually cloaked in some kind of safe haven and often involving carefree anonymity -- that I can think of. I personally still think it's incredibly rude to tell someone who comes bearing credible, first-hand or primary source information, that the information they're bearing doesn't actually exist. Which is essentially what Phil is continually doing. If those same "info bearers" are able to let that roll off their back, I think that's great. That's an admirable quality in my eyes. I'm not sure I could always be that big of a man. Maybe 9 out of 10 times I could, but......I definitely believe in breaking points as well. :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wirestone on May 10, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
Nor, was there ever an absolute or official announcement for any BBs box set by Capitol in 2012. All that existed in 2012 were internet rumblings of a proposed box set that would *hopefully* be out that year.

Not sure if this is true. There were a couple of official Capitol press releases with the promise of a "career-spanning boxed set." No more specifics than that, though.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on May 10, 2013, 10:52:26 PM
Nor, was there ever an absolute or official announcement for any BBs box set by Capitol in 2012. All that existed in 2012 were internet rumblings of a proposed box set that would *hopefully* be out that year.

Not sure if this is true. There were a couple of official Capitol press releases with the promise of a "career-spanning boxed set." No more specifics than that, though.

I stand corrected, as I just found that press release. As noted, still pretty vague though in terms of any specifics, or a specific presser announcing the box itself. Basically, all the goodies they have planned to commemorate the 50th in 2012, including a career-spanning box set.


The box set still withstanding, all of which came true, btw. :)

http://www.beachboysfanclub.com/reunionpr.html


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on May 10, 2013, 11:01:17 PM
Or else he has some mild mental health issues, in which case you lot are a bunch of arseholes.

I find it quite easy to tolerate him, its not like he's being abusive or nasty. I

Its just  playground mentality the way you all go on at him. He's not doing any harm. Easy victim, eh?


I don't think anyone's been particularly cruel to Phil here, with the possible exception of Jay. Jon pointed out to him that he's been consistently wrong in all his complaints, John said that all Phil does is complain, and I made a (fairly poor) joke.

Phil's posts can get very, very irritating at times, when literally *all* he has to say on the topic of the Beach Boys is "the box set will never come out", and his posts on that subject can get very tiresome. I don't think he has any mental health problems (and if he did, as I just said on another thread, mental health problems aren't a "get out of bad behaviour free" card), and nor do I think he's trolling. I think he's a pessimist, and I have a lot of sympathy with that in the general case -- but in the specific case of the Beach Boys he's been proved wrong time and again in the last couple of years.

I don't think anyone wants to shut Phil up -- I certainly don't, he's obviously someone with a reasonable amount of musical knowledge -- but he has made his opinion about the box very, very, *very* clear at this point, and by restating it he is only adding to the noise, not to the signal.

I think if he talked about *anything* else Beach Boys related, the annoyance with him would drop right down. But when he comes along and says the same things yet again, it's only reasonable that people react with exasperation or annoyance.
:brow


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 11, 2013, 01:58:19 PM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts. In the same way that Capitol Records will take the path of least resistance and release music by the label's 21st century contemporary artists, I , as a compact disc consumer, will take the path of least resistance, and buy CD box set "product" by artists and labels who are agreeable to releasing box sets with a minimum of unpleasant, stressful game-playing.

Good luck to you.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 11, 2013, 02:23:29 PM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts. In the same way that Capitol Records will take the path of least resistance and release music by the label's 21st century contemporary artists, I , as a compact disc consumer, will take the path of least resistance, and buy CD box set "product" by artists and labels who are agreeable to releasing box sets with a minimum of unpleasant, stressful game-playing.

Good luck to you.

No-one but you is making any effort at all (and your effort seems to consist only of complaining on a message board). There's no game-playing going on. There's no 'attempts to extract this box set'. They're working on it, it'll be done when it's done. When it is, those of us who want to will buy it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SenorPotatoHead on May 11, 2013, 02:30:37 PM
Box set extractions are painful, messy operations Phil, we can't go all hammer and tongs on it!  'Least not the hammer, the tongs we'll need, but just be sure to don your latex coveralls cos once the extraction begins the proverbial poop is gonna be gushing.  Careful now, careful....    :banana


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: aeijtzsche on May 11, 2013, 03:15:32 PM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts. In the same way that Capitol Records will take the path of least resistance and release music by the label's 21st century contemporary artists, I , as a compact disc consumer, will take the path of least resistance, and buy CD box set "product" by artists and labels who are agreeable to releasing box sets with a minimum of unpleasant, stressful game-playing.

Good luck to you.

No-one but you is making any effort at all (and your effort seems to consist only of complaining on a message board). There's no game-playing going on. There's no 'attempts to extract this box set'. They're working on it, it'll be done when it's done. When it is, those of us who want to will buy it.


Ooh, it's so exciting and heroic to think of it that way though.  The valiant fan fighting against the insidious forces at the tower, sending Tom Cruise in to hover inches off the floor in the secret, sterile Beach Boys Box Set Room.  But no--Mike sees Tom Cruise on his video monitor and alerts a Capitol suit that an extraction attempt is underway.  Mike reaches for his gun as he frantically enters the code to allow access to the room, and sure enough, when the huge door swings open, Tom Cruise is gone with the boxset. 

But it's not over.  Can it ever be over, really?  There is no joy in this.  Brian and Al pursue Tom Cruise on the rooftops of the Argyle Street businesses, shooting at him and aiming to kill.  Cruise only escapes when a feud breaks out between Al and Brian over how to proceed.  We might just have the boxset now!

But no.  Just when Tom Cruise is about to drop off the discs at our headquarters, a dark figure emerges from the shadows.  Cruise was expecting Phil, but instead it's Bruce. 

"I'll be taking those," says Bruce.  "No," says Tom.

"I see this won't be easy," says Bruce, "I admire your fortitude in the face of this unpleasant, stressful game playing."

"It's barely worth it anymore," says Tom.  "This is it for me.  I'm going back to getting boxed sets from artists and labels who are agreeable."

Bruce chortles.  "You assume that you're going to live that long.  My dear friend, I'm afraid that the last artist you'll ever meet is anything but agreeable."

Bruce raises the shotgun he'd been holding at his side and nonchalantly points it in Tom's direction.

"Hand over the boxed set."

"Not gonna happen, Bruce."

With a sickening boom, Tom is brought to the ground.

"The pain you feel is associated with no longer having a knee, Tom.  Would you like to see how it feels to live without a face, or shall I just take the boxed set now?"

Tom is so wracked with pain that he is unable to speak.  He simply releases his grip on the set.

"There were are."  Says Bruce.  Tom starts to try to drag his useless body away, but Bruce interrupts.

"Tom, don't leave just yet, I want to play you something."

Bruce takes one of the discs out of the packaging and loads it into a conveniently located nearby CD player.

"This is a little tune by Dennis Wilson.  It's called 'Wouldn't it be nice (to live again.)'  I thought it would be an appropriate thing to play right now, since in these, your last moments on earth, you're probably thinking the same sentiment."

The track played.  At this point, Tom could only close his eyes and submit to the music.  And although the flute solo was a bit longer than Tom personally would have liked, he knew that that flute solo was the only thing between him and Bruce's terrible, final justice.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 11, 2013, 04:07:56 PM
Brillant :lol :lol :lol :lol

Don't mess with Bruce.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 11, 2013, 06:07:23 PM
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No-one but you is making any effort at all (and your effort seems to consist only of complaining on a message board). There's no game-playing going on. There's no 'attempts to extract this box set'. They're working on it, it'll be done when it's done. When it is, those of us who want to will buy it.

Exactly. Besides, the handful of us who already have the info on the box will feel much better when an official announcement is made. I'm looking forward to it to the point where I'll be changing my username to 'I Told You So'.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 11, 2013, 07:09:17 PM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts. In the same way that Capitol Records will take the path of least resistance and release music by the label's 21st century contemporary artists, I , as a compact disc consumer, will take the path of least resistance, and buy CD box set "product" by artists and labels who are agreeable to releasing box sets with a minimum of unpleasant, stressful game-playing.

Good luck to you.

No-one but you is making any effort at all (and your effort seems to consist only of complaining on a message board). There's no game-playing going on. There's no 'attempts to extract this box set'. They're working on it, it'll be done when it's done. When it is, those of us who want to will buy it.


Ooh, it's so exciting and heroic to think of it that way though.  The valiant fan fighting against the insidious forces at the tower, sending Tom Cruise in to hover inches off the floor in the secret, sterile Beach Boys Box Set Room.  But no--Mike sees Tom Cruise on his video monitor and alerts a Capitol suit that an extraction attempt is underway.  Mike reaches for his gun as he frantically enters the code to allow access to the room, and sure enough, when the huge door swings open, Tom Cruise is gone with the boxset.  

But it's not over.  Can it ever be over, really?  There is no joy in this.  Brian and Al pursue Tom Cruise on the rooftops of the Argyle Street businesses, shooting at him and aiming to kill.  Cruise only escapes when a feud breaks out between Al and Brian over how to proceed.  We might just have the boxset now!

But no.  Just when Tom Cruise is about to drop off the discs at our headquarters, a dark figure emerges from the shadows.  Cruise was expecting Phil, but instead it's Bruce.  

"I'll be taking those," says Bruce.  "No," says Tom.

"I see this won't be easy," says Bruce, "I admire your fortitude in the face of this unpleasant, stressful game playing."

"It's barely worth it anymore," says Tom.  "This is it for me.  I'm going back to getting boxed sets from artists and labels who are agreeable."

Bruce chortles.  "You assume that you're going to live that long.  My dear friend, I'm afraid that the last artist you'll ever meet is anything but agreeable."

Bruce raises the shotgun he'd been holding at his side and nonchalantly points it in Tom's direction.

"Hand over the boxed set."

"Not gonna happen, Bruce."

With a sickening boom, Tom is brought to the ground.

"The pain you feel is associated with no longer having a knee, Tom.  Would you like to see how it feels to live without a face, or shall I just take the boxed set now?"

Tom is so wracked with pain that he is unable to speak.  He simply releases his grip on the set.

"There were are."  Says Bruce.  Tom starts to try to drag his useless body away, but Bruce interrupts.

"Tom, don't leave just yet, I want to play you something."

Bruce takes one of the discs out of the packaging and loads it into a conveniently located nearby CD player.

"This is a little tune by Dennis Wilson.  It's called 'Wouldn't it be nice (to live again.)'  I thought it would be an appropriate thing to play right now, since in these, your last moments on earth, you're probably thinking the same sentiment."

The track played.  At this point, Tom could only close his eyes and submit to the music.  And although the flute solo was a bit longer than Tom personally would have liked, he knew that that flute solo was the only thing between him and Bruce's terrible, final justice.

That post is so riveting  I just listened to "Love Is A Woman" 4 times without realizing it.

CLICK!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 11, 2013, 09:49:39 PM
Quote
No-one but you is making any effort at all (and your effort seems to consist only of complaining on a message board). There's no game-playing going on. There's no 'attempts to extract this box set'. They're working on it, it'll be done when it's done. When it is, those of us who want to will buy it.

Exactly. Besides, the handful of us who already have the info on the box will feel much better when an official announcement is made. I'm looking forward to it to the point where I'll be changing my username to 'I Told You So'.

 ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 11, 2013, 11:07:29 PM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts.

The truly sad and pathetic aspect of this quote is, he really, really believes it to be true. Such advanced paranoid delusions should be treated.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 12, 2013, 02:08:53 AM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts. In the same way that Capitol Records will take the path of least resistance and release music by the label's 21st century contemporary artists, I , as a compact disc consumer, will take the path of least resistance, and buy CD box set "product" by artists and labels who are agreeable to releasing box sets with a minimum of unpleasant, stressful game-playing.

Good luck to you.

No-one but you is making any effort at all (and your effort seems to consist only of complaining on a message board). There's no game-playing going on. There's no 'attempts to extract this box set'. They're working on it, it'll be done when it's done. When it is, those of us who want to will buy it.


Ooh, it's so exciting and heroic to think of it that way though.  The valiant fan fighting against the insidious forces at the tower, sending Tom Cruise in to hover inches off the floor in the secret, sterile Beach Boys Box Set Room.  But no--Mike sees Tom Cruise on his video monitor and alerts a Capitol suit that an extraction attempt is underway.  Mike reaches for his gun as he frantically enters the code to allow access to the room, and sure enough, when the huge door swings open, Tom Cruise is gone with the boxset.  

But it's not over.  Can it ever be over, really?  There is no joy in this.  Brian and Al pursue Tom Cruise on the rooftops of the Argyle Street businesses, shooting at him and aiming to kill.  Cruise only escapes when a feud breaks out between Al and Brian over how to proceed.  We might just have the boxset now!

But no.  Just when Tom Cruise is about to drop off the discs at our headquarters, a dark figure emerges from the shadows.  Cruise was expecting Phil, but instead it's Bruce.  

"I'll be taking those," says Bruce.  "No," says Tom.

"I see this won't be easy," says Bruce, "I admire your fortitude in the face of this unpleasant, stressful game playing."

"It's barely worth it anymore," says Tom.  "This is it for me.  I'm going back to getting boxed sets from artists and labels who are agreeable."

Bruce chortles.  "You assume that you're going to live that long.  My dear friend, I'm afraid that the last artist you'll ever meet is anything but agreeable."

Bruce raises the shotgun he'd been holding at his side and nonchalantly points it in Tom's direction.

"Hand over the boxed set."

"Not gonna happen, Bruce."

With a sickening boom, Tom is brought to the ground.

"The pain you feel is associated with no longer having a knee, Tom.  Would you like to see how it feels to live without a face, or shall I just take the boxed set now?"

Tom is so wracked with pain that he is unable to speak.  He simply releases his grip on the set.

"There were are."  Says Bruce.  Tom starts to try to drag his useless body away, but Bruce interrupts.

"Tom, don't leave just yet, I want to play you something."

Bruce takes one of the discs out of the packaging and loads it into a conveniently located nearby CD player.

"This is a little tune by Dennis Wilson.  It's called 'Wouldn't it be nice (to live again.)'  I thought it would be an appropriate thing to play right now, since in these, your last moments on earth, you're probably thinking the same sentiment."

The track played.  At this point, Tom could only close his eyes and submit to the music.  And although the flute solo was a bit longer than Tom personally would have liked, he knew that that flute solo was the only thing between him and Bruce's terrible, final justice.

That post is so riveting  I just listened to "Love Is A Woman" 4 times without realizing it.

CLICK!
The word click made me think of Todd Gold and his lazy way to cover the early to mid seventies. Not your fault of course!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 12, 2013, 08:41:51 AM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts.

The truly sad and pathetic aspect of this quote is, he really, really believes it to be true. Such advanced paranoid delusions should be treated.

Is it so irrational that I should opt to direct my collecting efforts in the direction of CD box sets which are much more likely (than the Beach Boys box set) to be released? Our quest for this proposed Beach Boys box set has brought nothing but frustration. Other box sets, such as the 3-CD expanded edition of "The Monkees Present" or the 5-CD set "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A" are almost certain to be released, and therefore bring pleasure, happiness etc.

I'm aware that, even if an August release (or even a Christmas season release) for The Beach Boys box set doesn't happen, that there are some die-hard true believers (on this forum) who will vent their frustrations at me, and then insist that the box set will be released in 2014, but there must come a point where most rational collectors will assume that the project could not be successfully completed, or that all the necessary musician "Sign-Offs" (permissions) could not be obtained. Would December 31, 2013 be a reasonable point to assume the Beach Boys box set is not to be?



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 08:49:47 AM
It is   irrational when people WHO KNOW FAR BETTER THAN YOU DO (as they are closer to the process) are telling you that the box IS coming out and you completely disregard them. This is the same garbage you pulled during TSS. You still haven't admitted to being wrong there. The fact that you are unaware of the status of MIC's completion speaks volumes; there are some of us who DO know, and let's just say you are very far off the mark here.

And for the final time...the word is boxed set, not 'box set'. The former is a collection of various cds (say, around six) containing music (in this case, music by the greatest band of all time). The latter is a collection of containers and receptacles for permanent use as storage, or for temporary use often for transporting contents and generally square in shape.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 12, 2013, 08:53:01 AM
It is   irrational when people WHO KNOW FAR BETTER THAN YOU DO (as they are closer to the process) are telling you that the box IS coming out and you completely disregard them. This is the same garbage you pulled during TSS. You still haven't admitted to being wrong there. The fact that you are unaware of the status of MIC's completion speaks volumes; there are some of us who DO know, and let's just say you are very far off the mark here.

And for the final time...the word is boxed set, not 'box set'. The former is a collection of various cds (say, around six) containing music (in this case, music by the greatest band of all time). The latter is a collection of containers and receptacles for permanent use as storage, or for temporary use often for transporting contents and generally square in shape.

There are some people on this forum who CLAIM that they have inside information, that they've seen a proposed track listing for The Beach Boys Boxed set etc., but how do we know if any of these claims are for real? Anyone could invent such claims.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 08:54:29 AM
So you're calling me a liar, then?  You are so full of sh*t I am quite sure you were a septic tank in your last life. See you on August 27th.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 12, 2013, 09:00:47 AM
One thing is obvious about our attempts to extract this box set from a reluctant record company and/or feuding group: There is no joy in this. This is not worth our collective efforts.

The truly sad and pathetic aspect of this quote is, he really, really believes it to be true. Such advanced paranoid delusions should be treated.

Is it so irrational that I should opt to direct my collecting efforts in the direction of CD box sets which are much more likely (than the Beach Boys box set) to be released? Our quest for this proposed Beach Boys box set has brought nothing but frustration. Other box sets, such as the 3-CD expanded edition of "The Monkees Present" or the 5-CD set "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A" are almost certain to be released, and therefore bring pleasure, happiness etc.

Firstly - shut the f*** up about "our" quest. Don't include me, or any other rational poster here, in your paranoid delusions of adequacy concerning a topic its been proven time and time again you know less about than a lobotomized fern.

Secondly - "Other box sets, such as the 3-CD expanded edition of "The Monkees Present" or the 5-CD set "The Complete Motown Singles Vol.12A" are almost certain to be released...". Almost certain... almost certain... almost certain... but not 100% certain. There's still a chance they'll get delayed, or cancelled... and now I've planted that little worm of doubt in your mind, it will twist, and turn, and grow, eating you up as it does, until you're consumed with the fear that you're wrong here as well, and that your near certainty became a would-been. I like that scenario... oh yes, I like it more than you could ever imagine.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PhilCohen on May 12, 2013, 09:01:34 AM
So you're calling me a liar, then?  You are so full of sh*t I am quite sure you were a septic tank in your last life. See you on August 27th.

Even if such tracklists have been compiled, mixed and mastered, it is still no guarantee that Mike Love, Brian Wilson, Al Jardine & The Estate of Carl Wilson will agree on the proposed track listing , and sign to give permission for release. This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 12, 2013, 09:03:46 AM
There are some people on this forum who CLAIM that they have inside information, that they've seen a proposed track listing for The Beach Boys Boxed set etc., but how do we know if any of these claims are for real? Anyone could invent such claims.

Being called a liar by an established bootlegger is pretty insulting, even to me, never mind the likes of Adam, Boyd and the others who know what's happening. If I could, sir, I would turn up at your door and beat the living daylights out of you. And I'm not joking. You, sir, are a piece of excrement.

Even if such tracklists have been compiled, mixed and mastered...

They have, you dumb f***.

Quote
... it is still no guarantee that Mike Love, Brian Wilson, Al Jardine & The Estate of Carl Wilson will agree on the proposed track listing , and sign to give permission for release.

They have, you even dumber f***.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 12, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
"what are you doing this sunday?"

"arguing with a knob on the internet"

"uh...cool?"

Can this Cohen just be barred now? Personally I don't give a bollock what he thinks, and just ignore him, but if even the modz are calling him a 'septic tank in a previous life' then it's probably time he just went, right?

*goes for a nice long walk*


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 09:08:25 AM
 

Quote
Even if such tracklists have been compiled, mixed and mastered, it is still no guarantee that Mike Love, Brian Wilson, Al Jardine & The Estate of Carl Wilson will agree on the proposed track listing , and sign to give permission for release. This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

They have, and they have, and projects do take that long (if not longer). But in any case, Eeyore is gone until the set is released. No lie.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: shelter on May 12, 2013, 10:09:25 AM
He's a troll, simple as that. He knows exactly what he's doing, he's playing a character on the internet who gets people bothered and elicits lots of responses.
Or else he has some mild mental health issues

In either case, getting angry at him won't help.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 10:23:04 AM
Agreed, which is why he's gone until the set is released.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 12, 2013, 10:28:33 AM
He's a troll, simple as that. He knows exactly what he's doing, he's playing a character on the internet who gets people bothered and elicits lots of responses.
Or else he has some mild mental health issues

In either case, getting angry at him won't help.

He insinuated I was a liar: he insinuated that far far better people than me - Alan Boyd, f'chrissake, who is one of the nicest people in the BB cosmos - are liars. It would be less insulting, slightly, if he was arguing from a position of even faint knowledge, but the fact is Cohen doesn't have the least clue as to what's on the box or how it's progressing and, to use Billy's pungent phrase, that really boils my piss. I'm arrogant, but this is orders of magnitude beyond me. He patently has untreated mental issues, and one day he's going to do what he does here in real life... and that's going to be a very, very painful day for him.

Agreed, which is why he's gone until the set is released.

I shall now be on my knees every night before bed, praying it won't be.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mahalo on May 12, 2013, 10:34:43 AM
I'm surprised anyone pays him any mind at all.

I just lurk nowadays and never read anything by him... It's the internet- the Beach friggin' Boys nonetheless...people take crap waaaayyyyy to seriously. Obviously he is a numbskull troll.

to quote BDW- "everyone should cool it, just start cooling now..."


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 12, 2013, 10:35:09 AM

I'm looking forward to it to the point where I'll be changing my username to 'I Told You So'.


I tried to change my user name to "Doubting Phil"

Then again, why bother.    ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: monicker on May 12, 2013, 11:22:42 AM
hai guyz androo dough is havin another bad day in his persona lyfe!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 11:28:05 AM
No, just rightfully pissed off by someone trying to bait us. If anything, he responded in a much kinder manner than I was going to.

That said, Phil won't be back until the boxed set is released, so no need for any of us to kick him while he's down.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on May 12, 2013, 01:03:49 PM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 12, 2013, 01:15:13 PM
I just have a hard time believing one or two posters -- the ones that seem to obsessively stick to one theme despite all available evidence to the contrary -- aren't doing some sort of a Saturday Night Live parody of an obsessive record collector.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on May 12, 2013, 02:03:44 PM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Well, there's his loving wife and family. But, besides the point. When the box IS released, I hope Phil looks back on his postings and decides to change, or seek some help. I'm sure we'd all be supportive if he could only see what we did.

Or, he's just a really, really good troll.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: rab2591 on May 12, 2013, 02:17:06 PM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Well, there's his loving wife and family. But, besides the point. When the box IS released, I hope Phil looks back on his postings and decides to change, or seek some help. I'm sure we'd all be supportive if he could only see what we did.

Or, he's just a really, really good troll.

This should have happened for The Smile Sessions. He doesn't even bat an eye when someone mentions him being wrong about that.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 12, 2013, 02:21:22 PM
hai guyz androo dough is havin another bad day in his persona lyfe!

Well quite. I think Phil is talking sh*t, but find it easy enough to ignore him. I think the guy has some issues. I feel sorry for him.

So hey Andrew. If I call you a liar will you come round to beat me up? I live in York, just a few hundred miles from you. Much nearer than Phil.  I'm more than happy to give you my address.  


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Moon Dawg on May 12, 2013, 02:24:09 PM
There are some people on this forum who CLAIM that they have inside information, that they've seen a proposed track listing for The Beach Boys Boxed set etc., but how do we know if any of these claims are for real? Anyone could invent such claims.

Being called a liar by an established bootlegger is pretty insulting, even to me, never mind the likes of Adam, Boyd and the others who know what's happening. If I could, sir, I would turn up at your door and beat the living daylights out of you. And I'm not joking. You, sir, are a piece of excrement.

Even if such tracklists have been compiled, mixed and mastered...

They have, you dumb f***.

Quote
... it is still no guarantee that Mike Love, Brian Wilson, Al Jardine & The Estate of Carl Wilson will agree on the proposed track listing , and sign to give permission for release.

They have, you even dumber f***.


  What a quick return to form.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 02:54:46 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Moon Dawg on May 12, 2013, 03:09:23 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults at those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: the professor on May 12, 2013, 03:19:25 PM
Thank you. The Professor wants to simply restate that he is proud to have been the messenger for AB on this matter, the man who is putting in the real effort as a scholar, historian, and fan, striving to provide the best-possible historical experience of the BB music. No one listens and reads as sensitively as AB, and we ought to thank God for him.  
 

My own sadness is that whatever BW is working on, with Al obviously involved and maybe Dave (I don't know and Alan did not say) is not a BB album. Will there ever be a BB album?

Unrelated to my report here, but still in my head, is what Mike said in those recent interviews: he wants to write with Brian but was prevented from doing so; Mike has clearly distanced himself from Radio, which must mean that it is not a BB album as he sees it or could have hoped to see it. Result. . . . . .stop hoping for anything unreal and save up to buy the 2 upcoming albums-the live and the box.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 12, 2013, 03:26:07 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults to towards those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.
Yup. And the civility that broke out for two weeks is over.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on May 12, 2013, 03:30:31 PM
Still no tracklisting? Jesus...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 03:53:38 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults at those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.
It's not the set that's the issue...it's the fact that Phil decided that me and the others are lying about the boxed set. Someone accuses me of lying, well, I'm going to stand up for myself, and I don't blame anybody else for doing the same. It's funny but my inbox has been flooded with requests to ban Phil. I do it (not permanent...just until August) and now I'm getting attacked.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 12, 2013, 03:58:21 PM
Someone accuses me of lying, well, I'm going to stand up for myself, and I don't blame anybody else for doing the same.

I do.

It's pathetic how a bunch of grown men comprising some very respected members of the Beach Boys fan community can't just ignore him. I mean SERIOUSLY AGD...saying you'd like to physically assault a (most likely mentally ill) internet troll for saying you're lying? Do you really give that much of a bollock...REALLY?

People need to grow up, but they clearly can't, so banning Cohen was the only option. Stick to it for gods sake!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on May 12, 2013, 03:58:54 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults at those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.
It's not the set that's the issue...it's the fact that Phil decided that me and the others are lying about the boxed set. Someone accuses me of lying, well, I'm going to stand up for myself, and I don't blame anybody else for doing the same. It's funny but my inbox has been flooded with requests to ban Phil. I do it (not permanent...just until August) and now I'm getting attacked.

It's just like the Beach Boys; no matter what you do, you just can't win...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: monicker on May 12, 2013, 03:59:05 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults at those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.

I don’t really know who you are but i’ve noticed that you are one of the few people here who truly call Andrew out on his bullshit, and i just want to say that i really appreciate that, as someone who has zero tolerance for the guy.

To go one step further with your point: it’s not only the name calling, but the threat of violence. I want to know who else on this board would ever be able to continually get away with threats like these? And this isn’t the first time. I believe last time he threatened to blow up or set fire to Phil’s house. It baffles me that very few people see how Andrew Doe is just as insane as Phil Cohen. It’s like Brian Wilson and Mike Love--they’re both just as fucking crazy, just in different ways, two sides of the same coin--that’s the punch line of the whole Beach Boys narrative. And this place is a mad funhouse of mirrors, reflecting the insanity of the Beach Boys universe.

Now if you’ll excuse me, i gotta go beat the living daylights out of mentally ill people who insinuate that my acquaintances and i might be liars, who i claim to not take seriously, yet i am continually exasperated and offended by what they say. Oh, i’m also gonna beat up Brian Wilson because he too is mentally ill and suffers from paranoid delusions. That’s how i handle “pathetic” mental illness, with my fists. It’s fine, i know a lot of stuff about The Beach Boys. Please remember to accept my empty apologies the next time i come back to the board after having thrown a tantrum, which, as always, i’ll have blamed on stuff happening in my personal life. Don’t worry, it’ll keep happening over and over again, so you’ll have plenty of opportunities to be a sycophant towards me.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 12, 2013, 04:09:56 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults to towards those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.
Yup. And the civility that broke out for two weeks is over.
I miss it already... :(


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 04:20:33 PM
Threatened to blow up his house?! When was that? If I had seen that I wouldn't have left it alone. Murder is not on the same level as wanting to punch someone's lights out. Correct me if I'm wrong though  but saying you'd beat someone if they said something like that to your face isn't the same as saying you were going to find someone and beat them up.

Or hell...maybe the problem is with me and if another mod had done it we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hell when i suspended Andrew previously i caught sh*t about it here. Damned if you do damned if you dont. Something for me to think about I guess.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on May 12, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
I remember that, AGD said he wanted to firebomb phil's house to shut him up and destroy his collection.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
f***. I'm not going to do anything retroactively but my apologies for missing that. If I decide to stay around I won't let something like that slip again.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Sam_BFC on May 12, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
One mod can't be expected to be everywhere all the time.

To be fair I think Billy has handled this one pretty well and (as always) with the best intentions.  But I too am a little puzzled as to why one or two people are taking an opinion that they have no respect for so seriously.

In other news, a new Beach Boys CD is out in just over a week.  :3d


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on May 12, 2013, 04:41:44 PM
Can we please get Phil and AGD in the same room for a debate..

That would be the most interesting thing ever.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rob Dean on May 12, 2013, 05:04:31 PM
f***. I'm not going to do anything retroactively but my apologies for missing that. If I decide to stay around I won't let something like that slip again.



Sorry BUT please , you will / have to stick around  ;D
We all love the work you are doing , top man  ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on May 12, 2013, 05:15:13 PM
Thanks Rob...greatly appreciated


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: oldsurferdude on May 12, 2013, 05:40:30 PM
hai guyz androo dough is havin another bad day in his persona lyfe!
:woot :happydance :woot :thumbsup :woot :h5 :woot :thud :woot :pirate :woot


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 12, 2013, 05:54:48 PM
Threatened to blow up his house?! When was that? If I had seen that I wouldn't have left it alone. Murder is not on the same level as wanting to punch someone's lights out. Correct me if I'm wrong though  but saying you'd beat someone if they said something like that to your face isn't the same as saying you were going to find someone and beat them up.

Or hell...maybe the problem is with me and if another mod had done it we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hell when i suspended Andrew previously i caught sh*t about it here. Damned if you do damned if you dont. Something for me to think about I guess.
I don't think these comments are directed at you in any way. Nor were mine.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on May 12, 2013, 06:33:22 PM
Patience. June.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 12, 2013, 07:27:19 PM
Alright...Phil's gone, so that's done. Everybody got a chance to get their frustrations out. It's done. That said, let's move on and go back to discussing the boxed set rather than going back and forth with each other.

Thanks.

 OK, Phil may be delusional and/or a troll, but which poster was calling another poster "a piece of excrement"? It wasn't Phil.  Please do not reduce this to an "everybody venting" issue when really it amounts to yet another example of an individual who can't seem to go more than a day or two without spewing insults at those who disagree with him. About what, mind you?  An upcoming CD boxed set.

I don’t really know who you are but i’ve noticed that you are one of the few people here who truly call Andrew out on his bullshit, and i just want to say that i really appreciate that, as someone who has zero tolerance for the guy.

To go one step further with your point: it’s not only the name calling, but the threat of violence. I want to know who else on this board would ever be able to continually get away with threats like these? And this isn’t the first time. I believe last time he threatened to blow up or set fire to Phil’s house. It baffles me that very few people see how Andrew Doe is just as insane as Phil Cohen. It’s like Brian Wilson and Mike Love--they’re both just as fucking crazy, just in different ways, two sides of the same coin--that’s the punch line of the whole Beach Boys narrative. And this place is a mad funhouse of mirrors, reflecting the insanity of the Beach Boys universe.

Now if you’ll excuse me, i gotta go beat the living daylights out of mentally ill people who insinuate that my acquaintances and i might be liars, who i claim to not take seriously, yet i am continually exasperated and offended by what they say. Oh, i’m also gonna beat up Brian Wilson because he too is mentally ill and suffers from paranoid delusions. That’s how i handle “pathetic” mental illness, with my fists. It’s fine, i know a lot of stuff about The Beach Boys. Please remember to accept my empty apologies the next time i come back to the board after having thrown a tantrum, which, as always, i’ll have blamed on stuff happening in my personal life. Don’t worry, it’ll keep happening over and over again, so you’ll have plenty of opportunities to be a sycophant towards me.

I think it comes down to the simple fact and I've said this several times as one of the biggest gathering forums for Beach Boys fans, to have daily pissing contests between essentially two members speaks very lowly of the forum.  I'm used to it by now and nine times out of ten turn a blind eye to it, but I'd imagine that more than one visitor has ventured into these threads hoping to find information on the band and instead have been subjected to page upon page of nasty abuse hurled back and forth between members.  Again it just doesn't speak well for what should be an inclusive, fan-friendly community.  So to quote monicker, yes that is "insanity" in a manner of speaking.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on May 12, 2013, 09:17:42 PM
Can we please get Phil and AGD in the same room for a debate..

That would be the most interesting thing ever.

No it wouldn't.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: the professor on May 12, 2013, 09:19:05 PM
The utilitarian is correct: the professor will withdraw as well if only distasteful idiocy and insult dominate this list. I draw the line here.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 12, 2013, 11:28:38 PM
I'm still waiting for your reply Andrew. If I call you a liar,  will you threaten to beat me up? As I said earlier, I'm happy to supply my address.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on May 12, 2013, 11:47:03 PM
I wish this board had an emoticon of a person eating popcorn from a bag.  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wirestone on May 13, 2013, 12:15:02 AM
If anyone takes a statement on a message board about blowing up someone's house at all seriously they need to get out more. It's a classical rhetorical device -- going over the top for effect when someone irritates you.

Between this and folks freaking out on the other thread after a mild pushback over the character of VDP, I'd say that folks here could use thicker skins. People have a right to say what they like. But they don't have a right to say it free of any criticism or questioning.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 13, 2013, 12:15:59 AM
I'm impressed that it only took AGD about 3 days to go from the guy who it was 'nice to have you back' to 'for God's sake get rid of the madman again'.  :-D



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Nicko1234 on May 13, 2013, 12:21:07 AM
If anyone takes a statement on a message board about blowing up someone's house at all seriously they need to get out more. It's a classical rhetorical device -- going over the top for effect when someone irritates you.

Between this and folks freaking out on the other thread after a mild pushback over the character of VDP, I'd say that folks here could use thicker skins. People have a right to say what they like. But they don't have a right to say it free of any criticism or questioning.

Who has the thinnest skin of all though? Unfortunately I think it's the guy who has admitted that due to his personal problems that at times he shouldn't be anywhere near the board.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 13, 2013, 12:27:44 AM
If anyone takes a statement on a message board about blowing up someone's house at all seriously they need to get out more. It's a classical rhetorical device -- going over the top for effect when someone irritates you.

Well maybe you missed this

Quote
If I could, sir, I would turn up at your door and beat the living daylights out of you. And I'm not joking.

I wouldn't call that a rhetorical device. No one is over reacting. Some of us have just had enough of this unpleasant man.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: adamghost on May 13, 2013, 12:57:45 AM
By God, anyone who calls me a liar -- has probably seen my actual birthdate somewhere.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on May 13, 2013, 01:56:57 AM
I was hardly around on this board this last weekend (sometimes private family matters have priority), but I have just read the last couple of pages of this topic, and thought it would be good to response.

First of all I want to stand up for Billy here.

As most of you probably know we have recently made the decision to make quicker individual decisions as moderators. This means that we don’t start discussing if a majority of the mods thinks we should take action (or not), but that one mod individually can decide if that’s necessary. After all, if on further consideration we conclude we should alter a decision, we can always do so.
Now Billy had a tough decision to make. We know that when it comes to this particular case (it’s not the first time) it’s hard to make a decision that would please everybody here. At the end, Billy did what in his opinion was the best solution for now in order to get things back on track on this board. I'm not sure sure what I would have done, and I'm glad Billy took action. If the language that was used was a bit harsh, then so be it. You don’t have to agree with us, but please understand we don’t do this because we think it’s fun to ban someone, even it’s only temporary.

Now as for this particular case.

Some of you have made some good points on where to draw the line when it comes to banning. Yes, I have read the responses of AGD as well. And yes – if it’s indeed the case that Phil has a mental issue (I really hate to talk about these kind of matters on this board or this topic) – then the last thing that would help is to threaten the guy with physical action (even it’s only metaphorically speaking). If Phil is deliberately doing this (aka he’s trolling) then it doesn’t help either, as he probably only gets a kick out of it anyway. So either way it’s a waste of energy, and apart from that not the behavior we expect to see here.
Now I’m not planning on sending a few extra bans out here right now. Mind you: it is not as if I’m trying to protect AGD, although it might come across like that. I just want to see the emotions being reduced. He has had his share of temp. bans in the past as well, even as of recent. But I do want to encourage AGD to at least distance himself from (and remove) the aggressive remarks against Phil. After all if “the smile you send out returns to you”, so does “those who play at bowls must look (out) for rubs”. (had to look that proverb  ;D  , I hope you get the point)

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We’re weird fans, aren’t we?
 
Here we are regularly discussing about how dysfunctional several members of the BB have been in the past. But I can imagine now that in the mean while another messageboard exists, specifically reserved for the members of the BB and their closest relatives/co-workers on which they continuously wonder about the dysfunctional behavior and bitching of certain members of this board (or making jokes about osd by counting the numbers of  :woot 's he posted after the umpteenth negative remark on myke luhv)


To close this lecture:
Please continue further discussions on moderating or banning in a new topic in The Sandbox en get back on topic here. If this side-discussion continues here, I might as well close this topic…



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: halblaineisgood on May 13, 2013, 02:14:03 AM
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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on May 13, 2013, 02:34:23 AM
I was hardly around on this board this last weekend (sometimes private family matters have priority), but I have just read the last couple of pages of this topic, and thought it would be good to response.

First of all I want to stand up for Billy here.

As most of you probably know we have recently made the decision to make quicker individual decisions as moderators. This means that we don’t start discussing if a majority of the mods thinks we should take action (or not), but that one mod individually can decide if that’s necessary. After all, if on further consideration we conclude we should alter a decision, we can always do so.
Now Billy had a tough decision to make. We know that when it comes to this particular case (it’s not the first time) it’s hard to make a decision that would please everybody here. At the end, Billy did what in his opinion was the best solution for now in order to get things back on track on this board. I'm not sure sure what I would have done, and I'm glad Billy took action. If the language that was used was a bit harsh, then so be it. You don’t have to agree with us, but please understand we don’t do this because we think it’s fun to ban someone, even it’s only temporary.

Now as for this particular case.

Some of you have made some good points on where to draw the line when it comes to banning. Yes, I have read the responses of AGD as well. And yes – if it’s indeed the case that Phil has a mental issue (I really hate to talk about these kind of matters on this board or this topic) – then the last thing that would help is to threaten the guy with physical action (even it’s only metaphorically speaking). If Phil is deliberately doing this (aka he’s trolling) then it doesn’t help either, as he probably only gets a kick out of it anyway. So either way it’s a waste of energy, and apart from that not the behavior we expect to see here.
Now I’m not planning on sending a few extra bans out here right now. Mind you: it is not as if I’m trying to protect AGD, although it might come across like that. I just want to see the emotions being reduced. He has had his share of temp. bans in the past as well, even as of recent. But I do want to encourage AGD to at least distance himself from (and remove) the aggressive remarks against Phil. After all if “the smile you send out returns to you”, so does “those who play at bowls must look (out) for rubs”. (had to look that proverb  ;D  , I hope you get the point)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

We’re weird fans, aren’t we?
 
Here we are regularly discussing about how dysfunctional several members of the BB have been in the past. But I can imagine now that in the mean while another messageboard exists, specifically reserved for the members of the BB and their closest relatives/co-workers on which they continuously wonder about the dysfunctional behavior and bitching of certain members of this board (or making jokes about osd by counting the numbers of  :woot 's he posted after the umpteenth negative remark on myke luhv)


To close this lecture:
Please continue further discussions on moderating or banning in a new topic in The Sandbox en get back on topic here. If this side-discussion continues here, I might as well close this topic…



Thanks for the heads up - and that hypothetical 'meta-board' that you pictured in the second part of your post made me laugh!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on May 13, 2013, 05:37:44 AM
The worrying thing is that some people are now getting their jollies from snitching on others...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on May 13, 2013, 07:40:25 AM
By God, anyone who calls me a liar -- has probably seen my actual birthdate somewhere.

;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Ram4 on May 13, 2013, 08:39:24 AM
I'm a moderator on a Led Zeppelin board and I can tell you a guy like Phil would have been banned long ago.  While we have just as much conjecture about unreleased things and the like (and by the way Phil, the Beach Boys can't hold a candle to the level of secrecy that Jimmy Page works under) we simply won't put up with trolling and/or even people that are mentally unstable.  There are a lot of wacko people into Zeppelin and mentally ill or not, it's better for all if they are not involved.  Our admin puts the hammer down on controversial topics, trolls, and psychos.  It works.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 13, 2013, 08:47:59 AM
I'm a moderator on a Led Zeppelin board

Good for you! Maybe listen to the mods on this board then.


Please continue further discussions on moderating or banning in a new topic in The Sandbox en get back on topic here. If this side-discussion continues here, I might as well close this topic…


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 13, 2013, 09:03:23 AM
Patience. June.

News!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: leggo of my ego on May 13, 2013, 09:26:25 AM
I'm a moderator on a Led Zeppelin board and I can tell you a guy like Phil would have been banned long ago.  While we have just as much conjecture about unreleased things and the like (and by the way Phil, the Beach Boys can't hold a candle to the level of secrecy that Jimmy Page works under) we simply won't put up with trolling and/or even people that are mentally unstable.  There are a lot of wacko people into Zeppelin and mentally ill or not, it's better for all if they are not involved.  Our admin puts the hammer down on controversial topics, trolls, and psychos.  It works.
  In other words...

NO QUARTER!!! 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 13, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
I'm a moderator on a Led Zeppelin board and I can tell you a guy like Phil would have been banned long ago.  While we have just as much conjecture about unreleased things and the like (and by the way Phil, the Beach Boys can't hold a candle to the level of secrecy that Jimmy Page works under) we simply won't put up with trolling and/or even people that are mentally unstable.  There are a lot of wacko people into Zeppelin and mentally ill or not, it's better for all if they are not involved.  Our admin puts the hammer down on controversial topics, trolls, and psychos.  It works.
  In other words...

NO QUARTER!!! 

Made all the funnier by the crazy Brian coming at you.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on May 13, 2013, 01:03:29 PM
Aaaaahhh!

Feels like that Brian is coming at me to eat my brain!  "No Quarter," indeed.

edit:  And now that it's been altered, we're left confronted by the crooked smile of Brian, eerily silent.  Watching.  Waiting...

Boy, you've really got a knack, there, ego!   ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dunderhead on May 13, 2013, 10:23:57 PM
I wish this board had an emoticon of a person eating popcorn from a bag.  ;D

hmmmmmmm


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: 18thofMay on May 13, 2013, 11:59:47 PM
I have 3000 words to say...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: metal flake paint on May 14, 2013, 01:48:01 AM
...my signature:


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Gertie J. on May 14, 2013, 01:54:15 AM
sheesh.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Quzi on May 14, 2013, 07:03:17 AM
Soundboard of the '80s arrangement of "Lookin' at Tomorrow" would be cool to have, I'll add it to my wishlist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upfghY2KK3s


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 14, 2013, 10:43:50 AM
Soundboard of the '80s arrangement of "Lookin' at Tomorrow" would be cool to have, I'll add it to my wishlist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upfghY2KK3s
Yeah, be great to have that  one.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 14, 2013, 12:37:59 PM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Harrry is happening,  MIC news to follow?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 15, 2013, 02:15:20 AM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Harrry is happening,  MIC news to follow?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/

And again, for those who are worried about the lack of announcements, the Nilsson box was announced yesterday and it's being released at the end of July. Which suggests that a two month or so lead time *is* the standard for this kind of order.

(Also, for those in the US who want the Nilsson box set, it's actually significantly cheaper for you to pre-order from amazon.co.uk right now than .com, even taking shipping into account. It's £46 on the UK site and $146 on the US site...)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 15, 2013, 05:20:15 AM
Is anyone taking into consideration that they are waiting for the double live disc to make it's way out into the world and settle before they start hyping another product? 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 15, 2013, 10:05:55 AM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Harrry is happening,  MIC news to follow?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/

And again, for those who are worried about the lack of announcements, the Nilsson box was announced yesterday and it's being released at the end of July. Which suggests that a two month or so lead time *is* the standard for this kind of order.

(Also, for those in the US who want the Nilsson box set, it's actually significantly cheaper for you to pre-order from amazon.co.uk right now than .com, even taking shipping into account. It's £46 on the UK site and $146 on the US site...)

Also take note (Phil) that the Harry set was originally slated to appear in Feb 2012.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 15, 2013, 10:21:25 AM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Harrry is happening,  MIC news to follow?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/

Harry gets 17 cds  with three devoted to unreleased sessions stuff . Hoping we get atleast three for MIC.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 15, 2013, 10:56:13 AM
This project should never have dragged on for  this long(for 18 months, or perhaps longer, if work had already been underway at the time of Capitol's original announcement in December 2011)

Why not?  The new Harry Nilsson box has been in the works for 3 years and there is no Harry around to sign off on things.

Harrry is happening,  MIC news to follow?
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/

Harry gets 17 cds  with three devoted to unreleased sessions stuff . Hoping we get atleast three for MIC.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/harry-nilsson-box-set/

That is something I don't understand.  One explanation we always get from compilers of box sets and why they aren't more expansive than they are is that the record company put a cap on the number of discs they could allot to the box set.  There is also the commonly told explanation that box sets in this day and age no longer sell and artists are discouraged from compiling them. 

Then comes along something like The Nilsson box set and I believe the recent box set by The Grateful Dead and that quite frankly calls a lot of that logic into question.  I'm not going to even get into this other band I follow whose archival output over the past decade plus would have you think that their entire outfit has folded up shop and called it quits. 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on May 15, 2013, 03:56:44 PM
The vast majority of the 'bonus tracks' on the Nilsson box are just the bonus tracks from previous reissues - in a way, it's just getting every single reissue under one roof and hopefully remastering them, but just standardising the catalogue in 2013 and getting everything back in print. There's a bit more on some discs, but if I'd been religiously buying Nilsson reissues as some people do with The Beach Boys as they came out I'd be a bit pissed by this box.

That said, I've got 95% of the sh*t on that Nilsson box on bootleg, so it's more akin to The Smile Sessions deal for me  :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 16, 2013, 03:56:19 AM
The vast majority of the 'bonus tracks' on the Nilsson box are just the bonus tracks from previous reissues - in a way, it's just getting every single reissue under one roof and hopefully remastering them, but just standardising the catalogue in 2013 and getting everything back in print. There's a bit more on some discs, but if I'd been religiously buying Nilsson reissues as some people do with The Beach Boys as they came out I'd be a bit pissed by this box.

That's not quite true -- there are at least fifty songs on that box that have never been released in any format, a bunch more that haven't been released on CD, and I don't think the mono mixes of Aerial Ballet or Pandemonium Shadow Show have ever been released on CD before.
Frankly, even if I did own all of the albums on CD (and I only own the first few) I'd think the UK price for the box (£46) more than reasonable for just the completely-unreleased stuff.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 16, 2013, 10:22:05 AM
I own everything up to Son of Smilsson so buying the box even without the rarities is value for me. Out of print CD issues of p*ssy Cats are very expensive.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: BergenWhitesMoustache on May 17, 2013, 06:01:01 AM
I own everything up to Son of Smilsson so buying the box even without the rarities is value for me.

I've got most of them (hoarder related) and my feeling was that only 'Nilsson Schmilsson' and 'The point' are killer records, the earlier ones have their moments, and he totally went off the boil after. '71.

Fair or do i need to revisit?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on May 17, 2013, 07:12:11 AM
I own everything up to Son of Smilsson so buying the box even without the rarities is value for me.

I've got most of them (hoarder related) and my feeling was that only 'Nilsson Schmilsson' and 'The point' are killer records, the earlier ones have their moments, and he totally went off the boil after. '71.

Fair or do i need to revisit?

While I feel Nilsson Schmilsson is probably his high point, I still think there is a lot to love after that. Son of Schmilsson is a good album, albeit a little less focused. One can definitely tell it's quite a bit looser than its predecessor and the rockers don't rock as hard, nor do the ballads hit as hard. However, "Joy", "You're Breakin' My Heart", "Remember (Christmas)", and pretty much everything on there is great.

I really like A Touch of Schmilsson in the Night but if you aren't into straight readings of pre-rock standards you might not like this. However, I gotta admit that while I admire Harry for doing this as a labor of love, I would puke if Bruce Johnston did an album like this. But anyways, if you're unsure if you like this kinda thing, check out some samples first.

Then comes the Lennon produced p*ssy Cats which I personally love. "Suburban Homesick Blues" and "Rock Around The Clock" are two are Nilsson's hardest rocking cuts. "Don't Forget Me" fits in with the material from his prior album, but it's a Nilsson original, and even has a few funny lines, despite the despairing nature of the song. "Many Rivers To Cross" and "Save the Last Dance for Me" are also great. Now be warned, a lot of people think he lost his voice on this, and it is true that he doesn't sound as polished on these songs as he did on h is earlier work, I think it fits the nature of this material regardless. Also interesting that Harry Nilsson "losing his voice" still sounded like Harry, while Brian Wilson losing his voice sounded nothing like the same person. Brian's situation is SO weird.

Now I don't know the rest of his discography extremely well except for Knnillssonn, which I thought was extremely strong. It had the "standards" pre-rock type vibe of A Little Touch... but with original material. "All I Think About Is You" and "Perfect Day" are lovely, and pretty much everything on that album is great. Totally mellow album by the way. And "Who Done It?" is a super interesting story-song.

Anyways, hope that helps.

And yes, this thread is way off-track again.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Micha on May 17, 2013, 07:17:53 AM
Moderators...

I was away for 2 weeks, just read these last few pages, and like to say that I'm generally pleased with the behavior of the mods, except calling Phil a reincarnated sceptic tank (or whatever the wording was), that's not good behavior.

I'm generally annoyed by Phils monothematic postings too though and think banning him is IMHO the second best choice - the one I'd prefer was displaying all of his posts in, say, yellow color so it would be easier to avoid reading them.

I feel no hatred against Phil, I feel sorry for him, it must be a hard life if you're like that. But as his postings stir up that many bad emotions in the group, the group must be protected. I hope in real life Phil gets some help.

As for AGD... I hope he manages to control himself a bit more when he's tempted to unnecessarily post his extremely negative emotions. That's actually selfish in a way. Unlike Phil AGD has things to say that are worth reading though.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lowbacca on May 17, 2013, 07:24:12 AM
Moderators...

I was away for 2 weeks, just read these last few pages, and like to say that I'm generally pleased with the behavior of the mods, except calling Phil a reincarnated sceptic tank (or whatever the wording was), that's not good behavior.

I'm generally annoyed by Phils monothematic postings too though and think banning him is IMHO the second best choice - the one I'd prefer was displaying all of his posts in, say, yellow color so it would be easier to avoid reading them.

I feel no hatred against Phil, I feel sorry for him, it must be a hard life if you're like that. But as his postings stir up that many bad emotions in the group, the group must be protected. I hope in real life Phil gets some help.

As for AGD... I hope he manages to control himself a bit more when he's tempted to unnecessarily post his extremely negative emotions. That's actually selfish in a way. Unlike Phil AGD has things to say that are worth reading though.
Wholeheartedly seconded.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 17, 2013, 07:47:49 AM
Well, we were asked to keep this subject closed, but seeing as you bought it up again Micha..........

As for AGD... I hope he manages to control himself a bit more when he's tempted to unnecessarily post his extremely negative emotions. That's actually selfish in a way.

So what your saying is that AGD's outburst was Phil's fault. OK.....well what about all his other outbursts? Are all those other folk to blame for stirring up AGD's negative emotions?
So let's all be careful we don't upset A G bloody D. Lets agree 100% with everything he says just in case we annoy him.

And he can say whatever he likes about Phil, because Phil's a "proven bootlegger", which, in case you didn't know is actually worse than being a paedohile. 'Cos none of us lot ever bought a bootleg and created the market for BB bootlegs did we? Especially not AGD.

Well, he's gone off in a strop again now, and look how nice and chilled the boards been. There's plenty of other "experts" here who don't have the anger management issues and ego problems he has.

AGD is of course welcome to say whatever he wants to anyone. And he's welcome on my doorstep anytime if he wants to try to be a big man


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Sam_BFC on May 17, 2013, 07:54:39 AM

So what your saying is that AGD's outburst was Phil's fault.

I don't think that it was he was saying really.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 17, 2013, 08:08:45 AM

So what your saying is that AGD's outburst was Phil's fault.

I don't think that it was he was saying really.

But as his postings stir up that many bad emotions in the group.



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on May 17, 2013, 08:38:27 AM

So what your saying is that AGD's outburst was Phil's fault.

I don't think that it was he was saying really.

But as his postings stir up that many bad emotions in the group.


Well, they do stir up bad emotions. Phil adds nothing to the conversation, except to convince that a fraud is going on, which of course is BS. At least Andrew adds insight & knowledge to the forum. We all have rant & raved in here at one time or another and we have all acted badly at one time or another. Andrew is no different than the rest of us. He has good and bad days like everyone else. He's been banned when warranted, by the Mods. Like the Mods say, when things go a bit overboard, either end it or take it to PMs.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 17, 2013, 10:12:52 AM
Respectfully, the only other person who behaved like AGD, i.e, threatening people with physical violence was Ian Wagner, who was banned permanently. He also had good days and bad days, he brought some good, knowledgeable stuff to the table sometimes, and at other times not. Saying to one of the mods he hoped his family died is unacceptable, I think we all agree. I just happen to think threatening to turn up on Phil's doorstep and beat him up is in the same vein.

I don't think either Ian or Andrew are "evil" people. They just have anger problems. People are saying Phil spread bad vibes by posting unpopular and untenable opinions, but surely behaving in an abusive and aggressive manner is worse.

My main point is, drbeachboy, you and I can disagree politely, it can even get a bit heated, but neither of us are about to start threatening to beat each other up (at least I hope not). AGD seems to think he is indispensable to this board and therefore above the normal rules of civility.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 17, 2013, 10:22:42 AM
I don't think either Ian or Andrew are "evil" people. They just have anger problems.

I don't want to single anyone out here but generally speaking people with "anger problems" who are using the internet as a means of venting probably need to take a few steps back and reevaluate the situation.  If someone is angry enough at themselves, someone else or the world at large that they are using an internet post board as means of purging, perhaps they should turn off the computer for a bit and give some serious think time to actually dealing with whatever is causing their "anger problems" to begin with.  In a positive and socially acceptable way obviously.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 17, 2013, 10:34:20 AM
Maybe we can have an "Anger" thread and a "Blame" thread, and a "He's not a very nice man" thread – even an "I'm telling my dad" thread – so that the MIC thread can feature stuff like, uh, maybe boxed sets? 


Oh, and a striped shirts thread!


 ::)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on May 17, 2013, 10:38:24 AM
Respectfully, the only other person who behaved like AGD, i.e, threatening people with physical violence was Ian Wagner, who was banned permanently. He also had good days and bad days, he brought some good, knowledgeable stuff to the table sometimes, and at other times not. Saying to one of the mods he hoped his family died is unacceptable, I think we all agree. I just happen to think threatening to turn up on Phil's doorstep and beat him up is in the same vein.

I don't think either Ian or Andrew are "evil" people. They just have anger problems. People are saying Phil spread bad vibes by posting unpopular and untenable opinions, but surely behaving in an abusive and aggressive manner is worse.

My main point is, drbeachboy, you and I can disagree politely, it can even get a bit heated, but neither of us are about to start threatening to beat each other up (at least I hope not). AGD seems to think he is indispensable to this board and therefore above the normal rules of civility.
I try very hard not to let hiding behind the computer screen affect how I interact with people on it. I've had a few moments here and there, but on the whole I try to react here how I would as if you were sitting directly in front of me. I have to admit that this place has been the toughest place to practice that philosophy. When I first found this forum I thought it would it be the easiest place to communicate with other like minded BB fans, but, oh contraire, some of us are far more different and complex than I ever imagined.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on May 17, 2013, 10:45:59 AM
Respectfully, the only other person who behaved like AGD, i.e, threatening people with physical violence was Ian Wagner, who was banned permanently. He also had good days and bad days, he brought some good, knowledgeable stuff to the table sometimes, and at other times not. Saying to one of the mods he hoped his family died is unacceptable, I think we all agree. I just happen to think threatening to turn up on Phil's doorstep and beat him up is in the same vein.

I don't think either Ian or Andrew are "evil" people. They just have anger problems. People are saying Phil spread bad vibes by posting unpopular and untenable opinions, but surely behaving in an abusive and aggressive manner is worse.

My main point is, drbeachboy, you and I can disagree politely, it can even get a bit heated, but neither of us are about to start threatening to beat each other up (at least I hope not). AGD seems to think he is indispensable to this board and therefore above the normal rules of civility.
I try very hard not to let hiding behind the computer screen affect how I interact with people on it. I've had a few moments here and there, but on the whole I try to react here how I would as if you were sitting directly in front of me. I have to admit that this place has been the toughest place to practice that philosophy. When I first found this forum I thought it would it be the easiest place to communicate with other like minded BB fans, but, oh contraire, some of us are far more different and complex than I ever imagined.

But there are a few like that in every community.  You just have to get on with it.

One thing worth noting about this particular forum is at least we have some semblance of intelligence and aren't all genuflecting at the feet of our heroes.  That is something not to be taken for granted when broadly evaluating fan forums across the internet.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Heysaboda on May 17, 2013, 11:43:42 AM
I try very hard not to let hiding behind the computer screen affect how I interact with people on it. I've had a few moments here and there, but on the whole I try to react here how I would as if you were sitting directly in front of me. I have to admit that this place has been the toughest place to practice that philosophy. When I first found this forum I thought it would it be the easiest place to communicate with other like minded BB fans, but, oh contraire, some of us are far more different and complex than I ever imagined.

Nicely said DrB!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 17, 2013, 11:51:49 AM
Respectfully, the only other person who behaved like AGD, i.e, threatening people with physical violence was Ian Wagner, who was banned permanently. He also had good days and bad days, he brought some good, knowledgeable stuff to the table sometimes, and at other times not. Saying to one of the mods he hoped his family died is unacceptable, I think we all agree. I just happen to think threatening to turn up on Phil's doorstep and beat him up is in the same vein.

I don't think either Ian or Andrew are "evil" people. They just have anger problems. People are saying Phil spread bad vibes by posting unpopular and untenable opinions, but surely behaving in an abusive and aggressive manner is worse.

My main point is, drbeachboy, you and I can disagree politely, it can even get a bit heated, but neither of us are about to start threatening to beat each other up (at least I hope not). AGD seems to think he is indispensable to this board and therefore above the normal rules of civility.

Very well stated Stephen. I feel exactly the same.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Heysaboda on May 17, 2013, 12:06:42 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 17, 2013, 02:34:54 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



Can we get back on topic please?  :lol

(I'm hoping it's big like TSS)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 17, 2013, 02:37:33 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I would imagine it'll be closer in size to the GV/PS boxes. After all, the Smile box had to be configured around the vinyl, which this won't be.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 17, 2013, 02:40:42 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I would imagine it'll be closer in size to the GV/PS boxes. After all, the Smile box had to be configured around the vinyl, which this won't be.

Am I right in remembering the Spector box (of CD's) some years back was LP shaped? Quite a few boxed sets are.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: CosmicDancer on May 17, 2013, 02:48:45 PM


Am I right in remembering the Spector box (of CD's) some years back was LP shaped? Quite a few boxed sets are.

My copy is, but I think that I've seen a more compact version at some point also.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 17, 2013, 02:51:42 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I would imagine it'll be closer in size to the GV/PS boxes. After all, the Smile box had to be configured around the vinyl, which this won't be.

Am I right in remembering the Spector box (of CD's) some years back was LP shaped? Quite a few boxed sets are.

It was, but it's the only one I know of. Pretty much all the box sets I own (obviously not a representative sample, but...) are either the size of the PS/GV boxes (like the two Nuggets boxes), book sized (Monkees Music Box, Zombie Heaven, Randy Newman box), or CD height (usually boxes of replica albums).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Theydon Bois on May 17, 2013, 03:13:09 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I would imagine it'll be closer in size to the GV/PS boxes. After all, the Smile box had to be configured around the vinyl, which this won't be.

Am I right in remembering the Spector box (of CD's) some years back was LP shaped? Quite a few boxed sets are.

It was, but it's the only one I know of. Pretty much all the box sets I own (obviously not a representative sample, but...) are either the size of the PS/GV boxes (like the two Nuggets boxes), book sized (Monkees Music Box, Zombie Heaven, Randy Newman box), or CD height (usually boxes of replica albums).

You want to get yourself a copy of this bad boy...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gFqozvuxzd0/T_hmdLj1aQI/AAAAAAAAAbw/Bf_8yQW7Z9E/s1600/DSC03212.JPG
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anthology-American-Music-Edited-Harry/dp/B000001DJU


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 17, 2013, 03:20:45 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I would imagine it'll be closer in size to the GV/PS boxes. After all, the Smile box had to be configured around the vinyl, which this won't be.

Am I right in remembering the Spector box (of CD's) some years back was LP shaped? Quite a few boxed sets are.

It was, but it's the only one I know of. Pretty much all the box sets I own (obviously not a representative sample, but...) are either the size of the PS/GV boxes (like the two Nuggets boxes), book sized (Monkees Music Box, Zombie Heaven, Randy Newman box), or CD height (usually boxes of replica albums).

You want to get yourself a copy of this bad boy...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gFqozvuxzd0/T_hmdLj1aQI/AAAAAAAAAbw/Bf_8yQW7Z9E/s1600/DSC03212.JPG
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Anthology-American-Music-Edited-Harry/dp/B000001DJU


Of course, I forgot about that -- but then that was duplicating the packaging of the original LP, if I remember right...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Theydon Bois on May 17, 2013, 04:01:16 PM
I own everything up to Son of Smilsson so buying the box even without the rarities is value for me.

I've got most of them (hoarder related) and my feeling was that only 'Nilsson Schmilsson' and 'The point' are killer records, the earlier ones have their moments, and he totally went off the boil after. '71.

Fair or do i need to revisit?

While I feel Nilsson Schmilsson is probably his high point, I still think there is a lot to love after that. Son of Schmilsson is a good album, albeit a little less focused. One can definitely tell it's quite a bit looser than its predecessor and the rockers don't rock as hard, nor do the ballads hit as hard. However, "Joy", "You're Breakin' My Heart", "Remember (Christmas)", and pretty much everything on there is great.

I really like A Touch of Schmilsson in the Night but if you aren't into straight readings of pre-rock standards you might not like this. However, I gotta admit that while I admire Harry for doing this as a labor of love, I would puke if Bruce Johnston did an album like this. But anyways, if you're unsure if you like this kinda thing, check out some samples first.

Then comes the Lennon produced p*ssy Cats which I personally love. "Suburban Homesick Blues" and "Rock Around The Clock" are two are Nilsson's hardest rocking cuts. "Don't Forget Me" fits in with the material from his prior album, but it's a Nilsson original, and even has a few funny lines, despite the despairing nature of the song. "Many Rivers To Cross" and "Save the Last Dance for Me" are also great. Now be warned, a lot of people think he lost his voice on this, and it is true that he doesn't sound as polished on these songs as he did on h is earlier work, I think it fits the nature of this material regardless. Also interesting that Harry Nilsson "losing his voice" still sounded like Harry, while Brian Wilson losing his voice sounded nothing like the same person. Brian's situation is SO weird.

Now I don't know the rest of his discography extremely well except for Knnillssonn, which I thought was extremely strong. It had the "standards" pre-rock type vibe of A Little Touch... but with original material. "All I Think About Is You" and "Perfect Day" are lovely, and pretty much everything on that album is great. Totally mellow album by the way. And "Who Done It?" is a super interesting story-song.

Anyways, hope that helps.

And yes, this thread is way off-track again.


I condone all of sweetdudejim's comments.  And, since we're talking about those post-Schmilsson albums, Duit On Mon Dei is utterly Van Dyke Parks-tastic, and not only that, but he was in full steel-pans-on-everything flower at the time, so even the record's weaker material is rendered somewhat wondrous by his magical arrangement touches.  (Though Perry Botkin Jr did the orchestral arrangements, as VDP will be quick to remind you if you ever ask him about it.)

(Furthermore, going back to the earlier stuff, I think that Nilsson Sings Newman is the most immaculate 26-minute album ever released.)

I've ordered a copy of the Nilsson box, despite owning all of the previously released stuff on CD already.  I totally needed a fifth copy of The Point anyway.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mike's Beard on May 17, 2013, 11:44:43 PM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I'm hoping it's designed like the GV & PS sets mainly due to the personal storage space factor.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on May 18, 2013, 02:11:31 AM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I'm hoping it's designed like the GV & PS sets mainly due to the personal storage space factor.

Maybe it will be like the singles box set, I quite liked that design.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 18, 2013, 04:27:14 AM

When the box set arrives (and we know it will) I wonder what the physical footprint will be?  Will it be like the GV and Pet Sounds sets, or the more massive TSS set, large because of all the extras?



I'm hoping it's designed like the GV & PS sets mainly due to the personal storage space factor.

Maybe it will be like the singles box set, I quite liked that design.

Agreed. I only hope they keep that dreadful 15BO/TWGMTR logo far away from this box.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Please delete my account on May 18, 2013, 05:35:51 AM
I know that at this point the boxed set's concept and contents will be all settled, but I can't resist chiming in with what I feel it ought to be.

To me there are only two logical options for a Beach Boys boxed set at this point: "Rarities only" or "definitve collection of all the essential stuff, released or unreleased"

A rarities only collection would be nice, but as others have pointed out the disappointing sales of Hawthorne and Endless Harmony etc will have made that seem risky. Though it's possible those compilations failed because the time wasn't right, or because they were poorly marketed, or because they fell between two stools and made no attempt to be definitive.
Also, personally, I feel that you need the hits and non-rarities as well, not just for commercial reasons, but to put the rairties into their proper perspective. It's like if you buy an anthology of Lewis Carroll you don't complain that "Allice's Adventures in Wonderland" is included, even if you already have ten copies of it. If I ever make a Beach Boys compilation it seems like there's something missing if "California Girls" isn't on it.

As for a definitive collection, I feel 6 CDs is just not enough. (I completely disagree with Andrew Hickey (I think it was him) who argued that all the really worthwhile Beach Boys songs could be fitted onto 6 CDs easily. I'd like to see him try.) At least, it's not enough if the set is intended to be an improvement of "Good Vibrations". "Good Vibrations" did the job of a 6 CD set excellently, (apart from the Brian's unfortunate decision to veto "Let Him Run Wild"). If you want to improve on it, you need more space to add more songs. You can't go around omitting too much stuff that was on it, because most of those songs deserved to be on there. If you only want to revise it a little here and there, say adding "Wouldn't it be nice live again" here, dropping "Our team" there, then why not simply call it "Good Vibrations: revised anniversary edition"?

Teh answer to that is, of course, that a "new" boxed set would look more enticing and sell better. But I fear that in attempting to make the new set different enough from GV, they will have thrown out too many babies with the bathwater. For example, just because "It's Over Now" and "Still I Dream Of It" no longer have that "Previously unreleased" status, doesn't mean they should be left out of any new collection that claims to represent the best of the Beach Boys

I am completely appalled by the other option people have been advocating, the boxed set that includes the hits to pull in the great unwashed, and includes the rarities for the diehard fans, but leaves out everything else: no album tracks, no non-charting b-sides. I understand the pragmatic reasoning behind such an idea, but really, it's a cynical notion that would produce a very weird and disjointed collection. "Surfin' USA" and unreleased writing session from a KTSA writing session but no "Busy Doin' Nothin'? A boxed set only makes artistic sense if it attempts to represent a band at its best, showing all sides of it's greatness. So what if you already have most of these tracks, don't you want a collection that you can send new curious would-be-fans to, a collection that will fairly represent the band for generations to come? If so, do you really think "Let Him Run Wild" or "Catch A Wave" should be omitted?


So, as I say, everything is already set in stone by now, but if anyone asked me what my dream career-spanning Beach Boys set would be, it would include

All the great songs from the singles and albums, omitting only the filler. (Example of filler: "Carls' Big Chance". Example of a song that is NOT filler: "No-Go Showboat".)
All the great previously released rarities, so they don't end up being only available on out-of-print collections
All the great previously bootlegged songs. (I don't have any bootlegs, except a few poor quality youtube downloads.)
All the great previously unbootlegged, unavailable songs. (including anything worthwhile from the 2012 outtakes)
 
By "great" I mean, a song that thrills and improves the life of the listener, making him or her truly grateful to have it as a part of their life. Who is to decide which songs fit this criteria? Why, I'd be happy to do it, since you ask.

NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space. (heresy warning #2) I have a tin ear and I can't tell if I'm listening to mono or stereo and I couldn't care less. I just want the songs. The released album/single version is nearly always the best.

NO live versions unless it's a radically different arrangement from the studio version, or a song that doesn't exist in a decent studio version. I don't understand the obsession with getting live versions. I nearly always prefer the studio version. (Heresy warning #2) I'm not even a fan of "In Concert" or "live in London", though I do like "Concert" for its otherwise unavailable cover versions.

Oh, OK. Make that SPARING live versions in concession to the wishes of nearly everyone else on this board.

SPARING use of material between 1979 and 2012. Unless there's great unreleased stuff I'm unaware of.


This fantasy box set would require AT LEAST 10 discs. And for a band as great, popular, and important as The Beach Boys I don't see why that's too much to ask. Especially if Nilsson gets 17. 
 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 18, 2013, 05:43:31 AM
As for a definitive collection, I feel 6 CDs is just not enough. (I completely disagree with Andrew Hickey (I think it was him) who argued that all the really worthwhile Beach Boys songs could be fitted onto 6 CDs easily. I'd like to see him try.) At least, it's not enough if the set is intended to be an improvement of "Good Vibrations". "Good Vibrations" did the job of a 6 CD set excellently, (apart from the Brian's unfortunate decision to veto "Let Him Run Wild"). If you want to improve on it, you need more space to add more songs. You can't go around omitting too much stuff that was on it, because most of those songs deserved to be on there. If you only want to revise it a little here and there, say adding "Wouldn't it be nice live again" here, dropping "Our team" there, then why not simply call it "Good Vibrations: revised anniversary edition"?

The GV box only had four CDs of different songs. If you drop all the duplicated songs on the fifth disc (most of which are not hugely necessary, and IIRC some of which are now on the Pet Sounds or Smile boxes anyway) and add two more discs of unreleased tracks in its place, then you'd have a much better set.

And I don't think I said all the worthwhile tracks could fit onto six CDs, but that I think all the *essential* tracks could fit onto six CDs (certainly if you don't count solo albums). Something like, say, Salt Lake City is quite a nice track, so it's definitely worthwhile, but I would never say it was essential.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Please delete my account on May 18, 2013, 05:48:10 AM
OK, good point, and sorry if I misrepresented what you said.



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 18, 2013, 05:56:21 AM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?
With all the unreleased stuff rumored to be on here, will there be any left?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lowbacca on May 18, 2013, 06:03:05 AM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?
With all the unreleased stuff rumored to be on here, will there be any left?
How could anyone give an informed answer to that? ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 18, 2013, 06:04:50 AM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?
With all the unreleased stuff rumored to be on here, will there be any left?
How could anyone give an informed answer to that? ;)

I guess I didn't expect a definitive answer, it just seems like they're can't be much of a chance left. At least to me. I expect they're a hassle to put together. All the more reason to love this one I guess.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 18, 2013, 06:14:36 AM
OK, good point, and sorry if I misrepresented what you said.



No need for an apology! I quite possibly didn't make myself clear.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lowbacca on May 18, 2013, 06:16:50 AM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?
With all the unreleased stuff rumored to be on here, will there be any left?
How could anyone give an informed answer to that? ;)

I guess I didn't expect a definitive answer, it just seems like they're can't be much of a chance left. At least to me. I expect they're a hassle to put together. All the more reason to love this one I guess.
It'd be a pretty good guess to assume that there won't be any more elaborate box sets containing a significant number of rarities or unreleased material for many years to come after the release of Made In California. If ever. However, the Beach Boys will continue to be a big name and legendary group for decades to come (at least for the real deal of music fans), so who knows. Also, we still don't know how much unreleased stuff exactly there is going to be on the new box set, right? Or did I miss something? :-X


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 18, 2013, 06:21:06 AM
It'd be a pretty good guess to assume that there won't be any more elaborate box sets containing a significant number of rarities or unreleased material for many years to come after the release of Made In California. If ever. However, the Beach Boys will continue to be a big name and legendary group for decades to come (at least for the real deal of music fans), so who knows. Also, we still don't know how much unreleased stuff exactly there is going to be on the new box set, right? Or did I miss something? :-X

We don't know exactly how much, but I've heard from a few people who've seen the tracklist (some post here, others don't) that it's somewhere between two and three CDs worth, including most of the tracks we'd hope for and one or two that we're not expecting.

(No, I don't know any more than that. No, I don't have any great insider contacts. Yes, those people might be spinning me a line...)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lowbacca on May 18, 2013, 06:23:06 AM
It'd be a pretty good guess to assume that there won't be any more elaborate box sets containing a significant number of rarities or unreleased material for many years to come after the release of Made In California. If ever. However, the Beach Boys will continue to be a big name and legendary group for decades to come (at least for the real deal of music fans), so who knows. Also, we still don't know how much unreleased stuff exactly there is going to be on the new box set, right? Or did I miss something? :-X

We don't know exactly how much, but I've heard from a few people who've seen the tracklist (some post here, others don't) that it's somewhere between two and three CDs worth, including most of the tracks we'd hope for and one or two that we're not expecting.

(No, I don't know any more than that. No, I don't have any great insider contacts. Yes, those people might be spinning me a line...)
Wow, that would actually be pretty awesome. :3d


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on May 18, 2013, 06:54:10 AM
This fantasy box set would require AT LEAST 10 discs. And for a band as great, popular, and important as The Beach Boys I don't see why that's too much to ask. Especially if Nilsson gets 17. 

In defense of Nilsson, his box set is a collection of all of his RCA solo albums. So it's pretty much those 14 albums plus a few scattered bonus tracks, and then a few discs of oddities and rarities. So as far as unreleased material getting "respect", I think The Beach Boys got Harry beat.



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 18, 2013, 06:57:07 AM
The only thing I'm desperate to hear, but doubt will make the box, is the alternate versions of "Children Were Raised" and "Great Shape" from the Durry Parks acetates. If they're not in Great Shape, soundwise, I care not.

I know, there's about as much chance of that as there is of a Glen Miller Orchestra reunion, but one can hope.

Maybe some big hearted philanthropist bought the disks and donated them to Capitol. Maybe that's one of the reasons for the hold up.

Don't point out this is foolishness.

Just let me dream..................


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: PongHit on May 18, 2013, 08:40:30 AM
I know, there's about as much chance of that as there is of a Glen Miller Orchestra reunion, but one can hope.

http://glennmillerorchestra.com (http://glennmillerorchestra.com)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: monicker on May 18, 2013, 09:18:58 AM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.

Also, i'm not one whose got non-BB box sets on my radar much, so i haven't kept up, but i was under the impression that the very quintessential '80s and '90s long, slim design (like the GV and PS sets) are no longer in vogue and now a thing of the past. Or do they still put out box sets like that? If so, do they still have that goofy plastic tray insert to hold all the contents in place?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on May 18, 2013, 09:23:52 AM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.

Also, i'm not one whose got non-BB box sets on my radar much, so i haven't kept up, but i was under the impression that the very quintessential '80s and '90s long, slim design (like the GV and PS sets) are no longer in vogue and now a thing of the past. Or do they still put out box sets like that? If so, do they still have that goofy plastic tray insert to hold all the contents in place?

I'm with you.
Some of those A Cappella tracks are revolutionary. Tons of stuff going on that I never noticed before.


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Post by: zachrwolfe on May 18, 2013, 09:31:47 AM


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Please delete my account on May 18, 2013, 10:26:30 AM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.
Totally agree. Maybe the hold up is that they found the Good Vibrations vocal tapes and had to mix an a capella version.  ;D

Yeah, I guess a capella versions are cool. I was just talking about my own preferred fantasy boxed set. Nothing to do with what anyone else might want, or reality.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Micha on May 18, 2013, 11:19:05 AM
Thanks Lowbacca.


So what your saying is that AGD's outburst was Phil's fault.

I don't think that it was he was saying really.

Right, Sam. When I said Phil's postings stir up many bad emotions in the group I meant not only AGD, but including one of the moderators and even myself. Stephen, I'm with you when you say AGD might have an anger problem, that's why I said I wish he was able to control his emotions better. But unlike Phil, AGD is receptive to reasoning.

Can we get back on topic please?  :lol

(I'm hoping it's big like TSS)

Absolutely, Stephen. I just had the urge to state my point in this matter, now that's done.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on May 18, 2013, 11:21:39 AM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.
Totally agree. Maybe the hold up is that they found the Good Vibrations vocal tapes and had to mix an a capella version.  ;D

Well.

Wonder what was found hidden away with that rediscovered sessions film footage from last year?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lowbacca on May 18, 2013, 11:24:06 AM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.
Totally agree. Maybe the hold up is that they found the Good Vibrations vocal tapes and had to mix an a capella version.  ;D

Well.

Wonder what was found hidden away with that rediscovered sessions film footage from last year?
An alternate ending for the 9th season of the X-Files, I hope.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Theydon Bois on May 18, 2013, 12:17:42 PM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?

No.  One day, all of this stuff will be out of copyright, and then we can all make and sell our own boxes.

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With all the unreleased stuff rumored to be on here, will there be any left?

Yes.  Whether there'll be enough left of quality to justify another major archival release is rather more doubtful though.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wirestone on May 18, 2013, 12:34:46 PM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?

No.  One day, all of this stuff will be out of copyright, and then we can all make and sell our own boxes.

Only after Disney dissolves. It'll take awhile.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 18, 2013, 01:17:14 PM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?

No.  One day, all of this stuff will be out of copyright, and then we can all make and sell our own boxes.

Not in our lifetimes. In the US, copyright term for recorded music is, I believe, life of the author plus seventy years -- and that's only going to keep extending as long as Disney want to keep ownership of Mickey Mouse. In Europe, they just extended it so theoretically the next Beach Boys music to go out of copyright will be in 2033, but that's only if Universal decide they don't want to keep making money off the Beatles in 2033...

Nothing more will go out of copyright until the oldest remaining in-copyright work is still making money for someone rich.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bill Ed on May 18, 2013, 02:15:27 PM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.

I couldn't agree more wholeheartedly! These tracks are amazing. Much more interesting to me than the studio version of We Got Love or snippets of uncompleted songs.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Theydon Bois on May 18, 2013, 02:18:54 PM
When this is released, will this likely be the last box set to be released?

No.  One day, all of this stuff will be out of copyright, and then we can all make and sell our own boxes.

Not in our lifetimes. In the US, copyright term for recorded music is, I believe, life of the author plus seventy years -- and that's only going to keep extending as long as Disney want to keep ownership of Mickey Mouse. In Europe, they just extended it so theoretically the next Beach Boys music to go out of copyright will be in 2033, but that's only if Universal decide they don't want to keep making money off the Beatles in 2033...

Nothing more will go out of copyright until the oldest remaining in-copyright work is still making money for someone rich.

I am happy to delegate the box-making to my descendents.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: metal flake paint on May 18, 2013, 04:36:06 PM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.


Hell yeah, I'm hoping for a pristine version of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rd9I_Wk6I


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on May 18, 2013, 08:01:50 PM
I own everything up to Son of Smilsson so buying the box even without the rarities is value for me.

I've got most of them (hoarder related) and my feeling was that only 'Nilsson Schmilsson' and 'The point' are killer records, the earlier ones have their moments, and he totally went off the boil after. '71.

Fair or do i need to revisit?

Some of the later ones - Duit On Mon Dei and Sandman - are fine boozing records. The musicianship is stellar, but if you're looking for a Nilsson Sings Newman it's not there. They are pleasingly deranged.

Knnillsson is rather good, the only dud in his 70's is That's The Way It Is. But Nilsson, even at his worst, was  one of the realest sounding musicians.

Can't believe you don't dig Nilsson sings Newman, tbh!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on May 18, 2013, 09:00:13 PM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space. (heresy warning #2) I have a tin ear and I can't tell if I'm listening to mono or stereo and I couldn't care less. I just want the songs. The released album/single version is nearly always the best.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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I'm not even a fan of "live in London"

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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SPARING

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SPARING

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Also, this:

I have a tin ear and I can't tell if I'm listening to mono or stereo and I couldn't care less.

Shouldn't ruin the fun for others.

Also, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on May 18, 2013, 09:28:02 PM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.


Hell yeah, I'm hoping for a pristine version of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rd9I_Wk6I

Hell yeah, twice! Remember hearing this for the first time on a cassette bootleg (before CD's and Youtube) many years ago and I almost cried. And I never cry except for when somebody close to me dies. But this literally brought tears to my eyes. I doubt they can find a clearer copy; the SOT bootlegger missed it but it was on "Capitol Punishment" but is somewhat hissy and not pristine like much of the SOT stuff. I would be VERY happy if this snippet sees the light of day sometime/somewhere. Brian and The Boys were in top form here as far as harmonies. Unfortunately this part was buried in the mix and you can't really appreciate it unless you hear the acapella isolated. Just fantastic how the vocals weave in and out and Brian's falsetto over the top. I just listened to it again 5 times and I still never get tired of it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on May 18, 2013, 09:32:31 PM

NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space. (heresy warning #2) I have a tin ear and I can't tell if I'm listening to mono or stereo and I couldn't care less. I just want the songs. The released album/single version is nearly always the best.

NO live versions unless it's a radically different arrangement from the studio version, or a song that doesn't exist in a decent studio version. I don't understand the obsession with getting live versions. I nearly always prefer the studio version. (Heresy warning #2) I'm not even a fan of "In Concert" or "live in London", though I do like "Concert" for its otherwise unavailable cover versions.

You're crazy.  What kind of fan are you?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 18, 2013, 11:13:19 PM
NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space.

Brrr, i shudder when i read stuff like this. I live for this kind of material and i am wishing and hoping and praying that the box set is filled to the brim with backing tracks, vocals only mixes, and alternate versions. Actually, my dream Beach Boys box set, other than a really solid, maybe shorter, rarities-only set would be an entire set comprised of instrumental and a cappella mixes. I would treasure that like no other worldly possession.


Hell yeah, I'm hoping for a pristine version of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1rd9I_Wk6I
But this literally brought tears to my eyes.

I got a tape copy of this from a collector in the early 90's, and just sat there on the night bus for two hours on the way home, surrounded by drunks, just rewinding this session over and over with tears streaming down my face. Magic moments.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ash on May 19, 2013, 02:15:32 AM
The only thing I'm desperate to hear, but doubt will make the box, is the alternate versions of "Children Were Raised" and "Great Shape" from the Durry Parks acetates. If they're not in Great Shape, soundwise, I care not.

I know, there's about as much chance of that as there is of a Glen Miller Orchestra reunion, but one can hope.

Maybe some big hearted philanthropist bought the disks and donated them to Capitol. Maybe that's one of the reasons for the hold up.

Don't point out this is foolishness.

Just let me dream..................

Those are what i want to hear most too and agreed, i don't care what the sound quality is like.  To be able to construct the first Smile era conception of Heroes would be fantastic.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Loaf on May 23, 2013, 08:31:46 AM
Just a hunch (conspiracy theory) ... the reason for the boxed set delay... the boxed set will come out after the live album because there will be tracks from the 50th tour on the boxed set, and these "live" tracks will need to be re-recorded/overdubbed/autotuned/melodyned/roboMyked within an inch of their lives, just as the ones on the tour album were.

The live tracks from the 50th tour-album were taken from relatively early in the tour... JT was there to record them... then he took the tracks away to work on them and present to the Boys what they needed to re-record when the tour was over.

Naturally, live tracks taken from the end of the tour will need time to be analysed and rejigged too, thus the delay.

My guess, as this box is 'career spanning', is that there will be something from the very last ever BBs concert(s) in London.

:)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 23, 2013, 08:35:26 AM
Just a hunch (conspiracy theory) ... the reason for the boxed set delay... the boxed set will come out after the live album because there will be tracks from the 50th tour on the boxed set, and these "live" tracks will need to be re-recorded/overdubbed/autotuned/melodyned/roboMyked within an inch of their lives, just as the ones on the tour album were.

I've no idea about the tracklist, but I wouldn't be surprised if one or more live tracks from the tour made their way on. I would be *horribly* surprised though if Alan Boyd (and Linnet? Is he involved? Can't remember, but I know Boyd is) had such appalling taste as to let them out in the same state as the ones on the live CD.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Loaf on May 23, 2013, 08:40:45 AM
i wouldn't mind one track from the RAH, if it's untouched. But no more than that, and if it's been overdubbed/autotuned, then expect my righteous froth!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wirestone on May 23, 2013, 08:50:04 AM
The obvious choice is a live Summer's Gone, but I'm given to understand we never quite got a clean performance of that.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cliff1000uk on May 23, 2013, 08:54:12 AM
Summer's Gone from Wembley would be fitting, although the one from RAH would do me, just for its sheer spontaneity



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on May 23, 2013, 09:29:17 AM
The obvious choice is a live Summer's Gone, but I'm given to understand we never quite got a clean performance of that.

No, but Wembley is probably close enough for an archival set, though it wouldn't have been for a CD aimed at a wider audience.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mr. Cohen on May 23, 2013, 09:49:28 AM
If you notice, all the bonus tracks on the twofers have quietly disappeared from the market. I have a bad feeling remastered versions of those and stuff like are going to make up much of the box set, with maybe 5 truly new recordings. We won't get much out of it, but reviewers will rave over "out of print" songs like "I Do", "All Dressed Up For School", “Graduation Day”,  "Can't Wait Too Long", “We’re Together Again”,  and "Old Folks at Home/Ol' Man River". A few instrumentals and a cappella takes will be thrown in to please the fanatics, and they'll call it a day. You'll say your disappointed, but then, how will you pass a pristine remastering of "We're Together Again"? Brian and Mike will listen to songs like "Hey Pretty Mama" or "Lucy Jones" during the compilation stage and wonder why anyone would want to hear it....


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 23, 2013, 09:56:46 AM
If you notice, all the bonus tracks on the twofers have quietly disappeared from the market. I have a bad feeling remastered versions of those and stuff like are going to make up much of the box set, with maybe 5 truly new recordings. We won't get much out of it, but reviewers will rave over "out of print" songs like "I Do", "All Dressed Up For School", “Graduation Day”,  "Can't Wait Too Long", “We’re Together Again”,  and "Old Folks at Home/Ol' Man River". A few instrumentals and a cappella takes will be thrown in to please the fanatics, and they'll call it a day. You'll say your disappointed, but then, how will you pass a pristine remastering of "We're Together Again"? Brian and Mike will listen to songs like "Hey Pretty Mama" or "Lucy Jones" during the compilation stage and wonder why anyone would want to hear it....

Don't worry. I'm sure there will be lots of goodies on there. If even half the stuff Adam mentioned is on there I'll be ecstatic.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on May 23, 2013, 10:12:39 AM
Speaking of "Summer's Gone," as I was stumping for one of the live renditions of the song to make an appearance on the C50 release, it should come as no surprise that personally, I think it would make for a great addition to MiC, as well.  And I still wouldn't object to having Brian go in and rerecord a line or two where he may see fit.  Failing that, I wouldn't necessarily balk at some pitch-correction here or there, either.  I suppose my only caveat would be that any 'tweaking' done in this manner utilize a light touch, brought to bear only to any specific notes not considered up-to-snuff.  I just don't care for the 'slather it on the whole vocal' approach.

"Summer's Gone" is now the only number from TWGMTR performed on the C50 tour not to get a live release, correct?  I think a nice way to represent the latest album on Made in California would be to include the RAH or Wembley version, along with the two singles and a nice selection of studio outtakes from the sessions.

Of course, my biggest hope is for us to see the remaining suite numbers completed and included in the track list, but I have no idea where this idea falls between likely, possible, or pipe dream.  If it's not considered feasible for the box set, then I sure hope to see these numbers finished and included on whatever project Brian and/or the Beach Boys release next.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 24, 2013, 12:55:21 PM
The new Moody Blues "box set, they are calling it", has had it's release date pushed back to June 25. Guess Phil was right, it's all a plot.

http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2013/05/24/the-moody-blues-schedule-new-release-date-for-timeless-flight-box-set-announce-fall-us-tour/

"The Moody Blues have announced a new release date for Timeless Flight, a massive box set gathering together the band’s biggest hits, rarities and live performances, as well as archival video footage. The 17-disc collection now is scheduled to be released on June 25.  It includes 11 CDs, six DVDs, pieces of Moody Blues memorabilia and more."


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on May 24, 2013, 01:15:10 PM
The new Moody Blues "box set, they are calling it", has had it's release date pushed back to June 25. Guess Phil was right, it's all a plot.


A DIABOLICAL SCHEME, I TELLS YA 

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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on May 24, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
Oh wait, you said 'PHIL was right'....

(http://i.imgur.com/o1Zrm8a.gif)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on May 24, 2013, 02:08:42 PM

NO alternate takes, mixes, mono mixes, stereo mixes, binaural mixes, instrumental mixes, a cappella mixes. Waste of space. (heresy warning #2) I have a tin ear and I can't tell if I'm listening to mono or stereo and I couldn't care less. I just want the songs. The released album/single version is nearly always the best.

NO live versions unless it's a radically different arrangement from the studio version, or a song that doesn't exist in a decent studio version. I don't understand the obsession with getting live versions. I nearly always prefer the studio version. (Heresy warning #2) I'm not even a fan of "In Concert" or "live in London", though I do like "Concert" for its otherwise unavailable cover versions.

You're crazy.  What kind of fan are you?

Phil Cohen's alternate account  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 25, 2013, 12:31:24 AM
The new Moody Blues "box set, they are calling it", has had it's release date pushed back to June 25. Guess Phil was right, it's all a plot.

http://www.classichitsandoldies.com/v2/2013/05/24/the-moody-blues-schedule-new-release-date-for-timeless-flight-box-set-announce-fall-us-tour/

"The Moody Blues have announced a new release date for Timeless Flight, a massive box set gathering together the band’s biggest hits, rarities and live performances, as well as archival video footage. The 17-disc collection now is scheduled to be released on June 25.  It includes 11 CDs, six DVDs, pieces of Moody Blues memorabilia and more."


Ok, which is it, box set or boxed set? I am confused.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 28, 2013, 04:51:41 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 28, 2013, 05:17:17 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

I haven't played it yet but if it doesn't come off well I feel bad. Chicago the first night was one of Brian's best post 1970 shows.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on May 28, 2013, 06:56:51 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

Well, you've proved me wrong several times Andrew, in fact every time I've said "deep down he's a nice guy"


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 28, 2013, 07:04:38 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

Well, you've proved me wrong several times Andrew, in fact every time I've said "deep down he's a nice guy"

C'mon, pucker up and give us a big kiss.  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wirestone on May 28, 2013, 07:07:08 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

Very cool, good sir. Outside perspective can be revelatory for BB fans -- our favorite band has a way of disappearing up its own backside from time to time.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on May 28, 2013, 08:18:17 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

Jeez, I didn't think anyone even knew where Brad is, much less touring with him....    ::)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 28, 2013, 09:29:17 AM
Tish-boom ! :drum


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on May 28, 2013, 11:37:00 AM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.
Sounds like a fun 10 days.  Will check out the Grey's new album.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: oldsurferdude on May 28, 2013, 12:14:11 PM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

Well, you've proved me wrong several times Andrew, in fact every time I've said "deep down he's a nice guy"
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on May 28, 2013, 12:24:42 PM
Aaaaahhh, bless... ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: c-man on May 28, 2013, 08:09:11 PM
Well, he's gone off in a strop again now...

Nope, not in the least (i.e. you're wrong - again  ;D): since May 13th I've had my #1 US friends (since 1977) over here and been touring with them for ten days (Herefordshire, Ludlow, Cotswolds, Hay-on-Wye, Cardiff and Chichester, also Brighton to catch Adam Marsland do an excellent set at The Greys - get his new album, it's seriously good) then holing up in a tiny cottage by myself for four days, and all that was far more important - not to say more enjoyable - than reading and posting here. Cleansing, even. Old habits die hard, however, so I got the live album on release, and frankly, not impressed. Maybe I need to listen more, when I'm having less fun, or after a shitty day at work. Just a thought.

I haven't played it yet but if it doesn't come off well I feel bad. Chicago the first night was one of Brian's best post 1970 shows.

Hmmm...I seem to recall reviews saying Brian was more engaged the second night in Chicago...which made me glad, since that's the one show I made it to!  :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on May 29, 2013, 02:02:25 AM
He was better the first from what I have heard audio wise since, but as we were both there different nights it is subjective.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rocker on June 02, 2013, 10:48:45 AM
I hope that we might get the whole '65 Chicago show on the new boxset. That would be awesome


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on June 02, 2013, 04:43:31 PM
The 1965 Chicago show is the high point of the original group's live shows.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: alanjames on June 02, 2013, 10:56:47 PM
The lack of news about MIC is pretty boring. Where are the news? It's all behind the wall...of secrecy  :P


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 03, 2013, 02:00:43 AM
I hope that we might get the whole '65 Chicago show on the new boxset. That would be awesome

To compare with the latest, 2012, live release - yup, that's really likely, isn't it ?  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jay on June 03, 2013, 02:40:44 AM
I wouldn't mind a few live versions of "rare" songs, like Angel Come Home from Springfield 1979 for example, or Livin' With A Heartache from Philly 1980. I'd like to have Goin' On from the Philly show, but with the lyrics flub, it's unlikely.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on June 03, 2013, 06:20:52 PM
I hope that we might get the whole '65 Chicago show on the new boxset. That would be awesome

To compare with the latest, 2012, live release - yup, that's really likely, isn't it ?  ;D
Aw, hell, if that's the issue, then I say grow a pair, cowboy up and include the whole glorious thing - damn the torpedoes!   :rock


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on June 03, 2013, 07:32:23 PM
The lack of news about MIC is pretty boring. Where are the news? It's all behind the wall...of secrecy  :P

sounds like somebody missed the press release.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 06, 2013, 09:23:05 PM
Despite my hope that we'd get the left over Radio tracks on MIC, Bruce's posts on the BBB board would indicate otherwise.

Question was regarding releasing Bruce's "lost recordings":

"Tim: I have no "Lost Recordings" but I do have a few private instrumental recordings that I'm hoping to release in Japan (there is a possible label offer). I also have a nice vocal re-do demo of "She Believes In Love Again" and Rowie has the only copy of it (I burned a disc for her a few years ago). FYI: We now have a very recent Beach Boys recording of "She Believes In Love Again" about 180 degrees opposite our 1985 released version. It was a possible track for our BB 50 studio album but it now lives in the BB/Capitol Records music vault. The track is completely mixed down to a stereo two track mix. If you wait long enough you can consider that track "lost." Bruce Johnston Montecito June 5, 2013 


Californian: The first version of "She Believes In Love Again" (1985) would have been a perfect song for Hall & Oates 'back in the day.' A few years ago I made a softer approach demo of my song and I also took out the bridge. I was thinking of sort of a Nashville direction for the song. As there was time available for me to record during the the recording of the 'That's Why God Made The Radio' album, I gave "She Believes In Love Again" another shot.It's very close to the more resent demo that I sent to Rowie. It's a sweet recording hearing our Beach Boys voices wrapped around my song but most likely it does not really work for our BB 50th album. Hmmmmmm......Perhaps someone will break into the music vaults as they usually do and create a Beach Boys bootleg version. Bruce Johnston Montecito June 6, 2013"










Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: MBE on June 06, 2013, 09:48:17 PM
I can't see the TWGMTR version being worse than the 1985 cut, I would be interested to hear it at least once.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on June 06, 2013, 10:06:45 PM
Despite my hope that we'd get the left over Radio tracks on MIC, Bruce's posts on the BBB board would indicate otherwise.

Question was regarding releasing Bruce's "lost recordings":

"Tim: I have no "Lost Recordings" but I do have a few private instrumental recordings that I'm hoping to release in Japan (there is a possible label offer). I also have a nice vocal re-do demo of "She Believes In Love Again" and Rowie has the only copy of it (I burned a disc for her a few years ago). FYI: We now have a very recent Beach Boys recording of "She Believes In Love Again" about 180 degrees opposite our 1985 released version. It was a possible track for our BB 50 studio album but it now lives in the BB/Capitol Records music vault. The track is completely mixed down to a stereo two track mix. If you wait long enough you can consider that track "lost." Bruce Johnston Montecito June 5, 2013 

Big surprise that the remake goes in a "Nashville" direction according to Bruce. And why do I get the feeling it's more Brad Paisley than Hank Williams ::)
Californian: The first version of "She Believes In Love Again" (1985) would have been a perfect song for Hall & Oates 'back in the day.' A few years ago I made a softer approach demo of my song and I also took out the bridge. I was thinking of sort of a Nashville direction for the song. As there was time available for me to record during the the recording of the 'That's Why God Made The Radio' album, I gave "She Believes In Love Again" another shot.It's very close to the more resent demo that I sent to Rowie. It's a sweet recording hearing our Beach Boys voices wrapped around my song but most likely it does not really work for our BB 50th album. Hmmmmmm......Perhaps someone will break into the music vaults as they usually do and create a Beach Boys bootleg version. Bruce Johnston Montecito June 6, 2013"











Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TimmyC on June 07, 2013, 08:57:06 AM
Would be fascinating to hear the 2012 She Believes in Love Again (an underrated song, I believe...)

Anyway, so has anyone with any authority or knowledge said anything at all about MIC since the release date was announced a couple months ago? are we confident it's still on track for 8/27?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on June 07, 2013, 01:00:11 PM
Would be fascinating to hear the 2012 She Believes in Love Again (an underrated song, I believe...)

Anyway, so has anyone with any authority or knowledge said anything at all about MIC since the release date was announced a couple months ago? are we confident it's still on track for 8/27?


I'm starting to doubt it.  If Mike Love was in the studio just last week recording new vocal parts for the MIC box (which many of us assume) then it might indicate that there is still some work to be done regarding the actual meat and potatoes of the project.  Now perhaps everything else is set and ready to roll in regards to the box set from design, to liner notes, to having everyone signed off on everything and one of the last things left to do was for Mike Love to sweeten some of his vocals on the particular recording in question.  But to me at least it seems that if vocal work is still being done on the archival tracks themselves, there are probably still quite a number of things left to bring to completion regarding the grand scope of this box set.  

Another thing to remember is if they miss the late summer deadline, they might just opt for a late fourth quarter release to capitalize on the Christmas market.  I have my fingers crossed for 8/27 but fully expect certain folks to predict doom and gloom if it does get pushed back or even just fails to appear on 8/27.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on June 07, 2013, 03:28:53 PM
Despite my hope that we'd get the left over Radio tracks on MIC, Bruce's posts on the BBB board would indicate otherwise.

Question was regarding releasing Bruce's "lost recordings":

"Tim: I have no "Lost Recordings" but I do have a few private instrumental recordings that I'm hoping to release in Japan (there is a possible label offer). I also have a nice vocal re-do demo of "She Believes In Love Again" and Rowie has the only copy of it (I burned a disc for her a few years ago). FYI: We now have a very recent Beach Boys recording of "She Believes In Love Again" about 180 degrees opposite our 1985 released version. It was a possible track for our BB 50 studio album but it now lives in the BB/Capitol Records music vault. The track is completely mixed down to a stereo two track mix. If you wait long enough you can consider that track "lost." Bruce Johnston Montecito June 5, 2013 


Californian: The first version of "She Believes In Love Again" (1985) would have been a perfect song for Hall & Oates 'back in the day.' A few years ago I made a softer approach demo of my song and I also took out the bridge. I was thinking of sort of a Nashville direction for the song. As there was time available for me to record during the the recording of the 'That's Why God Made The Radio' album, I gave "She Believes In Love Again" another shot.It's very close to the more resent demo that I sent to Rowie. It's a sweet recording hearing our Beach Boys voices wrapped around my song but most likely it does not really work for our BB 50th album. Hmmmmmm......Perhaps someone will break into the music vaults as they usually do and create a Beach Boys bootleg version. Bruce Johnston Montecito June 6, 2013"
Good stuff, there, Oregon, but I have to say, I don't read into either of these quotes anything that says "no" to inclusion on MIC.  Maybe I'm just looking at it through rose-colored glasses?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: the professor on June 07, 2013, 05:02:13 PM
Lads, do NOT except any 2012 BB songs (any reunited group songs, leftover Radio songs, a Dave song, She believes in love again, etc) on MIC.  Please don't hope; it will not happen. Lay it to rest.



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mahalo on June 07, 2013, 05:16:22 PM
Original Soul Searchin', You're Still A Mystery, original Back Home, Thank Him, Stereo SMiLE tracks, more a cappella SMiLE trax, the Whisperin' Winds takes, stereo Wild Honey, Friends stuff, ....all these and more on my wish list.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: over and over on June 07, 2013, 05:55:54 PM
Original Soul Searchin', You're Still A Mystery, original Back Home, Thank Him, Stereo SMiLE tracks, more a cappella SMiLE trax, the Whisperin' Winds takes, stereo Wild Honey, Friends stuff, ....all these and more on my wish list.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Tricycle Rider on June 07, 2013, 06:54:55 PM
"Barnyard" - no fly-in's from the demo, and with the background vocals included (PLEASE!)  :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 07, 2013, 07:02:01 PM
Lads, do NOT except any 2012 BB songs (any reunited group songs, leftover Radio songs, a Dave song, She believes in love again, etc) on MIC.  Please don't hope; it will not happen. Lay it to rest.



Is that 100% certain? cause lately people are just makin' jokes saying the famous Dennis song won't be on MIC ... i don't know what to believe here anymore.


Title:
Post by: zachrwolfe on June 07, 2013, 07:08:02 PM


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 08, 2013, 04:47:07 AM
Lads, do NOT except any 2012 BB songs (any reunited group songs, leftover Radio songs, a Dave song, She believes in love again, etc) on MIC.  Please don't hope; it will not happen. Lay it to rest.



Is that 100% certain? cause lately people are just makin' jokes saying the famous Dennis song won't be on MIC ... i don't know what to believe here anymore.

the professor said in another post that he'd got that information from Alan Boyd.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on June 08, 2013, 06:46:50 PM
Lads, do NOT except any 2012 BB songs (any reunited group songs, leftover Radio songs, a Dave song, She believes in love again, etc) on MIC.  Please don't hope; it will not happen. Lay it to rest.



I gotta say that if they aren't using any of the reunion material for the box set, it seems like they probably want to use it for the next studio album. Let's hope.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Surfer on June 08, 2013, 07:16:52 PM
Does anyone have track list for Made in California boxset


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on June 08, 2013, 07:18:59 PM
Yeah, I have it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on June 08, 2013, 08:03:47 PM
Yeah, I have it.
  I thought I was the Only one


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: zane7570 on June 08, 2013, 08:27:33 PM
Does anyone have track list for Made in California boxset

beachboys_fr has an early copy of the press release containing the tracklist and will be happy to send you 1/10th of a page, provided you give him a cd he doesn't already own.
Just don't tell anyone.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on June 08, 2013, 09:28:16 PM
Yeah, I have it.
  I thought I was the Only one


Pffff...child's play. I have the  actual set already! :P


Title:
Post by: zachrwolfe on June 08, 2013, 09:34:36 PM


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 08, 2013, 09:44:59 PM
Very funny posts this page. Gave me a good chuckle.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 08, 2013, 11:52:46 PM
Very funny posts this page. Gave me a good chuckle.

Quite possibly the greatest posts of all time. The GREATEST POSTS in the HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 09, 2013, 03:15:00 AM
Would be fascinating to hear the 2012 She Believes in Love Again (an underrated song, I believe...)

Anyway, so has anyone with any authority or knowledge said anything at all about MIC since the release date was announced a couple months ago? are we confident it's still on track for 8/27?


I'm starting to doubt it.  If Mike Love was in the studio just last week recording new vocal parts for the MIC box (which many of us assume) then it might indicate that there is still some work to be done regarding the actual meat and potatoes of the project.  Now perhaps everything else is set and ready to roll in regards to the box set from design, to liner notes, to having everyone signed off on everything and one of the last things left to do was for Mike Love to sweeten some of his vocals on the particular recording in question.  But to me at least it seems that if vocal work is still being done on the archival tracks themselves, there are probably still quite a number of things left to bring to completion regarding the grand scope of this box set.  

Another thing to remember is if they miss the late summer deadline, they might just opt for a late fourth quarter release to capitalize on the Christmas market.  I have my fingers crossed for 8/27 but fully expect certain folks to predict doom and gloom if it does get pushed back or even just fails to appear on 8/27.

Hang on... 'Vocal work still to do on the archive tracks'? Under no circumstances should they be adding new vocals on their archive material! Christ, look what Al ended up doing to Loop De Loop on Endless Harmony. No, no, no. Please just release archive material authentically, minus any new additions, thanks.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on June 09, 2013, 04:26:23 AM
Would be fascinating to hear the 2012 She Believes in Love Again (an underrated song, I believe...)

Anyway, so has anyone with any authority or knowledge said anything at all about MIC since the release date was announced a couple months ago? are we confident it's still on track for 8/27?


I'm starting to doubt it.  If Mike Love was in the studio just last week recording new vocal parts for the MIC box (which many of us assume) then it might indicate that there is still some work to be done regarding the actual meat and potatoes of the project.  Now perhaps everything else is set and ready to roll in regards to the box set from design, to liner notes, to having everyone signed off on everything and one of the last things left to do was for Mike Love to sweeten some of his vocals on the particular recording in question.  But to me at least it seems that if vocal work is still being done on the archival tracks themselves, there are probably still quite a number of things left to bring to completion regarding the grand scope of this box set.  

Another thing to remember is if they miss the late summer deadline, they might just opt for a late fourth quarter release to capitalize on the Christmas market.  I have my fingers crossed for 8/27 but fully expect certain folks to predict doom and gloom if it does get pushed back or even just fails to appear on 8/27.

Hang on... 'Vocal work still to do on the archive tracks'? Under no circumstances should they be adding new vocals on their archive material! Christ, look what Al ended up doing to Loop De Loop on Endless Harmony. No, no, no. Please just release archive material authentically, minus any new additions, thanks.

I respectfully disagree. I am keeping my fingers crossed for a version of 'This Car Of Mine' with John Stamos as the lead vocalist, and some modern synth work to embellish the track.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on June 09, 2013, 04:34:48 AM
Can we get some news on this thing. Release date is getting close, wouldn't it be nice if Capitol announced it at a decent time so it can build some hype.

I bet we still won't have heard anything by August 1st.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on June 09, 2013, 04:43:35 AM
Can we get some news on this thing. Release date is getting close, wouldn't it be nice if Capitol announced it at a decent time so it can build some hype.

I bet we still won't have heard anything by August 1st.

As a matter of fact, I find it had to believe that it will come out in September at all.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on June 09, 2013, 05:10:06 AM
Can we get some news on this thing. Release date is getting close, wouldn't it be nice if Capitol announced it at a decent time so it can build some hype.

I bet we still won't have heard anything by August 1st.

As a matter of fact, I find it had to believe that it will come out in September at all.

If it really is coming out on August 27th then we really should have heard something by now, it's just common sense.

I'm not denying it's existence just baffled by how it's being handled


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Heartical Don on June 09, 2013, 05:35:16 AM
Can we get some news on this thing. Release date is getting close, wouldn't it be nice if Capitol announced it at a decent time so it can build some hype.

I bet we still won't have heard anything by August 1st.

As a matter of fact, I find it had to believe that it will come out in September at all.

If it really is coming out on August 27th then we really should have heard something by now, it's just common sense.

I'm not denying it's existence just baffled by how it's being handled

Of course, it was August. My bad. Makes it even less believable. People often are a bit skint just after the holidays. I can't see that many pre-orders being placed, should it appear in August or September.

Well, the apparent clumsiness in handling is not untypical for the representatives of our beloved band.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rocker on June 09, 2013, 05:58:05 AM
I hope that we might get the whole '65 Chicago show on the new boxset. That would be awesome

To compare with the latest, 2012, live release - yup, that's really likely, isn't it ?  ;D


Never said it was likely  ;)

But after listening to some stuff from '65 again (409, Shut Down and the bootlegged stuff) I think it would be a great thing to have the whole show.
A comparison probably wouldn't make much sense because the circumstances of the shows were totally different. And since the Chicago show would be on a boxset I don't think anyone would try to compare it to a single live album, released in 2013. Never saw that anyone did talk about the differences between the live phases represented on the EH soundtrack very much either.
After all the boys were an exciting live act at that time and I'd welcome any recording from that time. And since we don't have a complete show (except for the Lost Concert) from the official site I think it's time. Chicago '65 or the newly found (last year) BBC show of which "Hushabye" was played on BBC would be so cool.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on June 09, 2013, 06:00:57 AM
Can we get some news on this thing. Release date is getting close, wouldn't it be nice if Capitol announced it at a decent time so it can build some hype.

I bet we still won't have heard anything by August 1st.

As a matter of fact, I find it had to believe that it will come out in September at all.

If it really is coming out on August 27th then we really should have heard something by now, it's just common sense.

I'm not denying it's existence just baffled by how it's being handled



Well, the apparent clumsiness in handling is not untypical for the representatives of our beloved band.

Unfortunately true.

If any other band were releasing a box set this big the promotion wheels would already be in motion. It takes a few months to get the word out.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 09, 2013, 08:02:47 AM
Unfortunately true.

If any other band were releasing a box set this big the promotion wheels would already be in motion. It takes a few months to get the word out.

As I pointed out many, many pages ago, Harry Nilsson also has a 'career-spanning box set' coming out this year.
As of last February, it was only a rumour, with 'sources close to the record company' saying it was planned, 'probably for summer'.
It was officially announced, with a tracklist, on the fourteenth of May, and it comes out on the 30th of July.

The Monkees have got a three-CD box set coming out. It was announced on the ninth of May, with a release date of the 30th of July -- and the release date and cover art were announced as 'subject to change'.

That suggests that, assuming Universal run on a similar timetable to Sony and Warners, we should expect any announcement to be closer to the release date than most people here are expecting. If August 27th *is* the planned release date, we might expect an announcement some time soon, but we wouldn't expect to have the information already.

This lack of information is nothing unusual, nothing different from how other record labels and other bands behave. Please, please, calm down.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on June 09, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
This lack of information is nothing unusual, nothing different from how other record labels and other bands behave. Please, please, calm down.

Couldn't have suggested it in a nicer way than that.  Some people are like school children who complain and squirm around in their seats, impatiently waiting for the bell to ring.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 09, 2013, 11:21:00 AM
omg it's never happening it's cancell the capitol wall of secrecy lies lies lies lies and hidden danger


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 09, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Very funny posts this page. Gave me a good chuckle.

Quite possibly the greatest posts of all time. The GREATEST POSTS in the HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.
I am a great believer in recognizing very clever stuff. And the complete opposite, crass stupidity. Thus my post back to you.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on June 09, 2013, 11:50:41 AM
I got the joke by runners...it was a reference to former wrestling announcer Tony Schiavone.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: runnersdialzero on June 09, 2013, 11:57:00 AM
Very funny posts this page. Gave me a good chuckle.

Quite possibly the greatest posts of all time. The GREATEST POSTS in the HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.
I am a great believer in recognizing very clever stuff. And the complete opposite, crass stupidity. Thus my post back to you.

Why do you assume I'm being snarky or trying to be clever?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 09, 2013, 12:17:34 PM
Very funny posts this page. Gave me a good chuckle.

Quite possibly the greatest posts of all time. The GREATEST POSTS in the HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.
I am a great believer in recognizing very clever stuff. And the complete opposite, crass stupidity. Thus my post back to you.

Why do you assume I'm being snarky or trying to be clever?

Honestly...... I never know when it comes to your posts.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Murry the Friendly Ghost ♯♫♩🐇 on June 09, 2013, 12:20:10 PM
Alright you two...can we not do this?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 09, 2013, 12:20:54 PM
I got the joke by runners...it was a reference to former wrestling announcer Tony Schiavone.
Never heard of the guy Billy. You'll have to PM and explain it to me. :(


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 09, 2013, 12:26:30 PM
As two more data points, Sly And The Family Stone's 4-CD career-spanning box set is going to be released on August 27th and was announced last week. The Moody Blues' 17-CD box set came out this week, and was announced on April 10, just under two months before it came out.

If Made In California *is* coming out on August 27th, we should expect an announcement, with tracklisting, at some point in the next two or three weeks. If we haven't heard by the first week of July, we can assume it's not on for the end of August. But nothing having been announced now for a late-August release is *ENTIRELY* consistent with the way box sets are currently publicised.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: chris.metcalfe on June 09, 2013, 12:42:13 PM
This lack of information is nothing unusual, nothing different from how other record labels and other bands behave. Please, please, calm down.

Some people are like school children ... impatiently waiting for the bell to ring.

Just like in that song by the Beach Boys.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 09, 2013, 02:46:56 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on June 09, 2013, 03:17:12 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.
What have Mike's recent studio habits amounted to?  Other than recording vocals, does he, for example, make a habit of showing up between live dates to oversee mixes, or maybe just to hang out with some buddies while he's in town?

I have no idea myself, but maybe some folks here have a better understanding of how often Love swings by the studio, lately, and what he likes to do when he's there?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on June 09, 2013, 03:21:07 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.
What has Mike's recent studio habits amounted to?  Other than recording vocals, does he, for example, make a habit of showing up between live dates to oversee mixes, or maybe just to hang out with some buddies while he's in town?

I have no idea myself, but maybe some folks here have a better understanding of how often Love swings by the studio, lately, and what he likes to do when he's there?

Mike's a travelin man; he probably owns the heart of some lonely girl that works as a receptionist at the studio.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Generation42 on June 09, 2013, 03:25:55 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.
What has Mike's recent studio habits amounted to?  Other than recording vocals, does he, for example, make a habit of showing up between live dates to oversee mixes, or maybe just to hang out with some buddies while he's in town?

I have no idea myself, but maybe some folks here have a better understanding of how often Love swings by the studio, lately, and what he likes to do when he's there?

Mike's a travelin man; he probably owns the heart of some lonely girl that works as a receptionist at the studio.
You're two-for-two.  ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on June 09, 2013, 03:45:07 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.
What has Mike's recent studio habits amounted to?  Other than recording vocals, does he, for example, make a habit of showing up between live dates to oversee mixes, or maybe just to hang out with some buddies while he's in town?

I have no idea myself, but maybe some folks here have a better understanding of how often Love swings by the studio, lately, and what he likes to do when he's there?

Mike's a travelin man; he probably owns the heart of some lonely girl that works as a receptionist at the studio.

I hope the receptionist doesn't hear about Mike's sweet fraulein down in Berlin town.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on June 09, 2013, 04:08:43 PM
Very funny posts this page. Gave me a good chuckle.

Quite possibly the greatest posts of all time. The GREATEST POSTS in the HISTORY OF OUR SPORT.
I am a great believer in recognizing very clever stuff. And the complete opposite, crass stupidity. Thus my post back to you.

Why do you assume I'm being snarky or trying to be clever?
Thanks for explaining the joke via PM. Now I get it, my apologies!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: zane7570 on June 09, 2013, 05:48:33 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.
What has Mike's recent studio habits amounted to?  Other than recording vocals, does he, for example, make a habit of showing up between live dates to oversee mixes, or maybe just to hang out with some buddies while he's in town?

I have no idea myself, but maybe some folks here have a better understanding of how often Love swings by the studio, lately, and what he likes to do when he's there?

Mike's a travelin man; he probably owns the heart of some lonely girl that works as a receptionist at the studio.

I hope the receptionist doesn't hear about Mike's sweet fraulein down in Berlin town.

Or his China Doll down in old Hong Kong


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on June 09, 2013, 05:52:37 PM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.


That's very true. Scott simply mentioned he was "overdubbing on a Mike Love track" and that he "had a feeling we would hear it." For all we know, Mike could've just been keeping tabs or acting as "overlord" for the session.

Also, perhaps more importantly, and in case anyone missed it in the comments section, a one "Betty Collignon," who is listed as an "Archivist/Administrative Asst. at Boyd Production Group" on her Linkedin page, said  the track "sounded great." So, at the very least, I'm indeed putting my money on something for MIC.  :)  


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151703675622774


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 09, 2013, 11:58:19 PM
BPG have no connection with the box set.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on June 10, 2013, 12:57:44 AM
BPG have no connection with the box set.

Could Betty still be "attached" to Alan if he was simply working independently/freelance? As an assistant possibly? I mean, she did claim to hear the track in question. Or, is she involved with Mike in some other professional capacity?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 10, 2013, 01:32:44 AM
BPG have no connection with the box set.

Could Betty still be "attached" to Alan if he was simply working independently/freelance? As an assistant possibly? I mean, she did claim to hear the track in question. Or, is she involved with Mike in some other professional capacity?

Betty has lots of connections in the Beach Boys world, with lots of people. It's entirely possible that she heard it through a connection with Boyd, but equally possible she heard it any of half a dozen other ways.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on June 10, 2013, 01:40:26 AM
BPG have no connection with the box set.

Could Betty still be "attached" to Alan if he was simply working independently/freelance? As an assistant possibly? I mean, she did claim to hear the track in question. Or, is she involved with Mike in some other professional capacity?

Betty has lots of connections in the Beach Boys world, with lots of people. It's entirely possible that she heard it through a connection with Boyd, but equally possible she heard it any of half a dozen other ways.


Okay, thanks. I'm just trying to surmise if all this means that it's most likely an archival MIC track....vs. something else altogether (e.g. a ML solo track).


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on June 10, 2013, 04:20:51 AM
As two more data points, Sly And The Family Stone's 4-CD career-spanning box set is going to be released on August 27th and was announced last week. The Moody Blues' 17-CD box set came out this week, and was announced on April 10, just under two months before it came out.

If Made In California *is* coming out on August 27th, we should expect an announcement, with tracklisting, at some point in the next two or three weeks. If we haven't heard by the first week of July, we can assume it's not on for the end of August. But nothing having been announced now for a late-August release is *ENTIRELY* consistent with the way box sets are currently publicised.

Great research!

Fingers crossed we hear something in the next 2-3 weeks


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: LostArt on June 10, 2013, 04:56:10 AM
All this assuming Mike was in the studio to lay down some vocals... do we have a shot of him in the booth ? Nope, just one standing behind Scott T. who is playing... something.

He's playing a guitar.   ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Tristero on June 11, 2013, 06:01:08 AM
We have confirmation of the late August release here via Rolling Stone!

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-to-cap-50th-anniversary-with-career-spanning-box-set-20130611

Eat it, Cohen!

Here's a description from Amazon.


    The Beach Boys have opened their archives for a new career-spanning, six-CD collection titled Made In California, capping the legendary band's 50th Anniversary celebrations. Made In California features more than seven and a half hours of music, including more than 60 previously unreleased tracks. The deluxe set is presented in a high school annual-inspired hardbound book with personal recollections from the band's members, replicated classic artwork and memorabilia, photos from the band's archive, and handwritten yearbook-style inscriptions from Beach Boys Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, and David Marks.

    Made In California chronologically charts the 50-year career of America's Band, from their earliest demos to their most recent recordings. With huge hits and rare gems including never-before-released original songs, home demos, alternate takes and mixes, and live concert, television and radio performances, the set showcases the breadth and diversity of The Beach Boys' recorded catalog and illustrates the band's unique and evocative West Coast story. From 'Surfin' Safari' to 'God Only Knows,' 'Wouldn't It Be Nice' and 'Good Vibrations' to 'Kokomo,' The Beach Boys' canon boasts a masterful versatility that is unparalleled in American popular music.

    Made In California's memorabilia includes Brian Wilson's 1959 high school essay titled 'My Philosophy,' which is reproduced in the collection's book in its original handwritten form (the original is currently on display in The GRAMMY Museum's yearlong Beach Boys exhibit celebrating the band's 50-year career).

    Made In California's previously unreleased and long sought-after recordings include 'Goin' To The Beach,' 'California Feelin',' 'Soul Searchin',' 'You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling,' and 'You're Still A Mystery,' among others. The set also debuts 17 unreleased live recordings, including 'Runaway' (1965), 'Friends' and 'Little Bird' (1968), 'Wild Honey' (1972), 'It's About Time' (1973), 'Wonderful' and 'Vegetables' from The Beach Boys' legendary 1993 acoustic tour, and a 1995 rendition of 'Sail On, Sailor' featuring a soulful lead vocal by the late Carl Wilson. The greatly missed talents of Carl and Dennis Wilson are also celebrated with rare and previously unreleased recordings including Dennis' '(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again,' 'Barnyard Blues' and 'My Love Lives On,' Carl's lead vocals on 'Da Doo Ron Ron' and 'Soul Searchin',' and Carl's shared lead with Bruce and Brian on 'California Feelin'.'

    The set also features a special 'From The Vaults' disc of rarities selected by the band and the producers with longtime Beach Boys fans in mind. Among the disc's highlights are a cappella mixes of standout vocal recordings for songs including 'This Whole World' and 'Slip On Through,' alternate versions of 'Don't Worry Baby' and other Beach Boys classics, session highlights and instrumental tracks, plus newly-discovered BBC Radio live recordings from 1964 of 'Wendy,' 'When I Grow Up (To Be A Man),' and 'Hushabye.'



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on June 11, 2013, 06:08:34 AM
BINGO!!!!!

Someone buy that man a beer… no, wait, make it an Ardbeg!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: king of anglia on June 11, 2013, 06:09:37 AM
 'Friends' and 'Little Bird' (1968), 'Wild Honey' (1972), 'It's About Time' (1973), Dennis' '(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again,' 'Barnyard Blues' and 'My Love Lives On,'

Bongo!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: DMBeard_13 on June 11, 2013, 06:17:50 AM
Career-Spanning Set Features Beach Boys Classics and More Than 60 Previously Unreleased Songs, Home Demos, Alternate Mixes, and Live Recordings,
Presented in a Yearbook-Inspired Hardbound Book
 
 
Los Angeles, California – June 11, 2013 – The Beach Boys have opened their archives for a new career-spanning, six-CD collection titled Made In California, capping the legendary band’s 50th Anniversary celebrations. To be released worldwide on August 27 (August 26 outside of North America) by Capitol/UMe, Made In California features more than seven and a half hours of music, including more than 60 previously unreleased tracks.  The deluxe set is presented in a high school annual-inspired hardbound book with personal recollections from the band’s members, replicated classic artwork and memorabilia, photos from the band’s archive, and handwritten yearbook-style inscriptions from Beach Boys Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, and David Marks.
 
Produced by The Beach Boys and The SMiLE Sessions’ GRAMMY® Award-winning team of Mark Linett, Alan Boyd, and Dennis Wolfe, Made In California chronologically charts the 50-year career of America’s Band, from their earliest demos to their most recent recordings.  With huge hits and rare gems including never-before-released original songs, home demos, alternate takes and mixes, and live concert, television and radio performances, the set showcases the breadth and diversity of The Beach Boys’ recorded catalog and illustrates the band’s unique and evocative West Coast story.  From “Surfin’ Safari” to “God Only Knows,” “Wouldn’t It Be Nice” and “Good Vibrations” to “Kokomo,” The Beach Boys’ canon boasts a masterful versatility that is unparalleled in American popular music.
 
Made In California’s memorabilia includes Brian Wilson’s 1959 high school essay titled “My Philosophy,” which is reproduced in the collection’s book in its original handwritten form (the original is currently on display in The GRAMMY Museum’s yearlong Beach Boys exhibit celebrating the band’s 50-year career).  In the essay, Wilson expresses his wish for a satisfying life, writing, “I don’t want to settle for a mediocre life, but make a name for myself in my life’s work, which I hope will be music.”
 
“This box set captures the evolution of a dream which started with a family singing Everly Brothers songs around a piano, to creating the harmonies that fans would carry in their hearts for a lifetime,” said Mike Love. “Seeing these photos and rediscovering some of this music, I’m reminded of the immense love I feel for Brian, Dennis, Carl, Bruce, Al, and David. I’m still floored that our stories continue to inspire new generations to catch a wave and ride it is long as it lasts.”
 
Made In California’s previously unreleased and long sought-after recordings include “Goin’ To The Beach,” “California Feelin’,” “Soul Searchin’,” “You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling,” and “You’re Still A Mystery,” among others.  The set also debuts 17 unreleased live recordings, including “Runaway” (1965), “Friends” and “Little Bird” (1968), “Wild Honey” (1972), “It’s About Time” (1973), “Wonderful” and “Vegetables” from The Beach Boys’ legendary 1993 acoustic tour, and a 1995 rendition of “Sail On, Sailor” featuring a soulful lead vocal by the late Carl Wilson.  The greatly missed talents of Carl and Dennis Wilson are also celebrated with rare and previously unreleased recordings including Dennis’ “(Wouldn’t It Be Nice To) Live Again,” “Barnyard Blues” and “My Love Lives On,” Carl’s lead vocals on “Da Doo Ron Ron” and “Soul Searchin’,” and Carl’s shared lead with Bruce and Brian on “California Feelin’.”
 
The set also features a special ‘From The Vaults’ disc of rarities selected by the band and the producers with longtime Beach Boys fans in mind. Among the disc’s highlights are a cappella mixes of standout vocal recordings for songs including “This Whole World” and “Slip On Through,” alternate versions of “Don’t Worry Baby” and other Beach Boys classics, session highlights and instrumental tracks, plus newly-discovered BBC Radio live recordings from 1964 of “Wendy,” “When I Grow Up (To Be A Man),” and “Hushabye.”
 
One of the most iconic bands in popular music history and America’s first pop band to reach the 50 year milestone, The Beach Boys have performed and recorded the world’s favorite soundtrack to summer since 1961. Founded that year in Hawthorne, California, The Beach Boys were originally comprised of the three teenaged Wilson brothers: Brian, Carl and Dennis, their cousin Mike Love, and school friend Al Jardine.  In 1962, neighbor David Marks joined the group for their first wave of hits with Capitol Records, leaving in late 1963, and in 1965, Bruce Johnston joined the band when Brian Wilson retired from touring to focus on writing and producing for the group.
 
Last year’s reunion of Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, Bruce Johnston, and David Marks for a new studio album, That’s Why God Made The Radio, and The Beach Boys’ 50th Anniversary Tour, the band’s first major outing to include Wilson in more than two decades, made headlines around the world as one of the year’s top entertainment stories.
 
Released last June, That’s Why God Made The Radio was the band’s 29th studio album (including 2011’s SMiLE Sessions), and the first in decades to feature all of the band’s surviving original members.  Produced by Brian Wilson and executive produced by Mike Love, the album bowed at No. 3 on the Billboard 200 albums chart, the band’s highest-ever album chart debut.
 
The sold-out tour took The Beach Boys to more than 70 cities around the world, including their first concert at the Hollywood Bowl since 1965, headlining performances at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival and Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival, and tour-closing concerts at London’s O2 Arena and Royal Albert Hall.  In a review of the landmark tour’s first concert, Rolling Stone recognized the band’s deep well of signature songs, noting, “It's not until a band like the Beach Boys runs through their hits back-to-back in rapid succession that you realize just how many hits they've had.”  On May 21, Capitol/UMe released The Beach Boys’ new concert album, Live - The 50th Anniversary Tour, a 2CD and digital collection of 41 standout recordings from the acclaimed tour.
 
The Beach Boys signed with Capitol Records in July 1962 and released their first album, Surfin’ Safari, that same year. The album spent 37 weeks on the Billboard chart, launching the young group known for its shimmering vocal harmonies and relaxed California style into international stardom. The Wilson/Love collaboration resulted in many huge international chart hits, and the band’s initial surf-rock focus was soon broadened to include other themes, making The Beach Boys America’s preeminent band of the 1960s.
 
In 1966, The Beach Boys were one of the first bands to found its own record label with the launch of Brother Records, Inc. (BRI), with the band’s members as its shareholders and Capitol Records as its distribution partner.  BRI continues to manage The Beach Boys’ intellectual property, including the band’s catalog with Capitol/UMe and other label partners, as well as its name, artwork/logos, image and likeness.
 
The Beach Boys continue to hold Billboard / Nielsen SoundScan’s record as the top-selling American band for albums and singles, and they are also the American group with the most Billboard Top 40 chart hits (36).  ‘Sounds Of Summer: The Very Best Of The Beach Boys’ has achieved triple-Platinum sales status, and ‘The SMiLE Sessions,’ released to worldwide critical acclaim in November 2011, won a GRAMMY® Award for Best Historical Album and was heralded as the year’s Best Reissue by Rolling Stone magazine.
 
Inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988 and recipients of The Recording Academy’s Lifetime Achievement GRAMMY Award, The Beach Boys are an American institution that is iconic around the world.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on June 11, 2013, 06:18:18 AM
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Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on June 11, 2013, 06:21:59 AM
The sold-out tour took The Beach Boys to more than 70 cities around the world, including their first concert at the Hollywood Bowl since 1965, headlining performances at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival and Bonnaroo Music and Arts Festival, and tour-closing concerts at London’s O2 Arena and Royal Albert Hall.

Not the O2 Arena but Wembley Arena… still, who's counting!  MIC!   :D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on June 11, 2013, 06:22:31 AM
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It's not fair, they make it look so classy you have to get it.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 11, 2013, 06:44:35 AM
Now it's a real deal. From the given tracklist, I'm especially looking forward to hear BBC Radio live recordings, Al's Runaway, California Feelin', alternate v-n of DWB, Barnyard Blues (nice title, seems like it's a jolly country-styled song) &, of course, "...To Live Again". Also I'm glad that my favorite BW cover "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" was chosen to be included to the set, in a clearer quality. All in all, great news! The cover art (color etc.) is just how I like! Can't be better.
Thank you, Tristero, for bringing this info!

Btw, would love to read what 17-year-old Brian had written in that too seriously-named essay "My Philosophy".



Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wrightfan on June 11, 2013, 08:48:25 AM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

YES! This is awesome! I'm really pumped for Live Again. Also have wanted an a capella version of This Whole World for a while. Oh and the other stuff is nice too  ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on June 11, 2013, 08:50:58 AM
The  blurb doesn't mention which version of California Feelin'... Fingers crossed it's the 1974 version.  :o

I love what we can see of the presentation. Can't wait!!!!

When does this go up for preorder. I want my foot in the door PRONTO!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 11, 2013, 08:54:09 AM
The  blurb doesn't mention which version of California Feelin'... Fingers crossed it's the 1974 version.  :o

I love what we can see of the presentation. Can't wait!!!!

When does this go up for preorder. I want my foot in the door PRONTO!

There are two versions of California Feelin' on there -- the one we're all familiar with and a demo which is presumably 74. It's already up for preorder -- see the other thread.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Ziggy Stardust on June 11, 2013, 08:55:07 AM
A bit dissappointed that they didn't added stuff like the first version of Big Sur or Carry Me Home, but hey we heard those, not best quality, but we heard them, so i'm glad they focused on unreleased stuff! this is great, not on every level, cause once again, it feels similar to the GV boxset, one giant best of that the non-fan and the fans don't really care about to revisit all of the albums material.. but still, great rare stuff and live! Little Bird! woot woot! man this is lovely, and unlike GV they aren't making ugly covers this time! love the cds, the artwork looks fine, reminds me of the one they did for the Record store day!

Anyway, let's party people! it's about TIME


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on June 11, 2013, 09:00:58 AM
The  blurb doesn't mention which version of California Feelin'... Fingers crossed it's the 1974 version.  :o

I love what we can see of the presentation. Can't wait!!!!

When does this go up for preorder. I want my foot in the door PRONTO!

There are two versions of California Feelin' on there -- the one we're all familiar with and a demo which is presumably 74. It's already up for preorder -- see the other thread.

Is Brian Wilson even on the familiar version?  I've always been told it's a Carl Wilson solo vocal?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 11, 2013, 09:03:36 AM
The  blurb doesn't mention which version of California Feelin'... Fingers crossed it's the 1974 version.  :o

I love what we can see of the presentation. Can't wait!!!!

When does this go up for preorder. I want my foot in the door PRONTO!

There are two versions of California Feelin' on there -- the one we're all familiar with and a demo which is presumably 74. It's already up for preorder -- see the other thread.

Is Brian Wilson even on the familiar version?  I've always been told it's a Carl Wilson solo vocal?

Carl takes the lead, Brian sings most of the backing vocal stack and "Laguna's three-arch bay", Bruce sings "California Feeling"


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on June 11, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
The  blurb doesn't mention which version of California Feelin'... Fingers crossed it's the 1974 version.  :o

I love what we can see of the presentation. Can't wait!!!!

When does this go up for preorder. I want my foot in the door PRONTO!

There are two versions of California Feelin' on there -- the one we're all familiar with and a demo which is presumably 74. It's already up for preorder -- see the other thread.

Just saw it Andrew, thanks.  Preordered. Can't wait! 8)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rocker on June 11, 2013, 09:22:10 AM
Sounds cool! Very happy that some '64 live stuff will be featured as I'm fascinated with those concert years!!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on June 11, 2013, 09:23:12 AM
i'm glad they focused on unreleased stuff!

they did?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: JohnMill on June 11, 2013, 09:32:50 AM
i'm glad they focused on unreleased stuff!

they did?

35%/34%


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: TV Forces on June 11, 2013, 10:38:36 AM
35%/34%

Take out stereo remixes and live tracks and what do you have? 


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on June 11, 2013, 10:44:26 AM
35%/34%

Take out stereo remixes and live tracks and what do you have? 
That has nothing to with released - unreleased. Country Air (stereo) is an unreleased track. Do you recall it ever being released in stereo?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Emdeeh on June 11, 2013, 10:49:51 AM
The announced tracklisting:

CD 1
   
1. Home Recordings / "Surfin'" Rehearsal Highlights (2012 Edit - Mono)
2. Surfin' (with Session Intro - Mono)
3. Their Hearts Were Full Of Spring (Demo - Mono)
4. Surfin' Safari (Original Mono Long Version)
5. 409 (Original Mono Long Version)
6. Lonely Sea (Original Mono Mix)
7. Surfin' U.S.A.
8. Shut Down (2003 Stereo Mix)
9. Surfer Girl
10. Little Deuce Coupe
11. Catch A Wave
12. Our Car Club
13. Surfers Rule (with Session Intro)
14. In My Room
15. Back Home
16. Be True To Your School (Mono Single Version)
17. Ballad Of Ole' Betsy
18. Little Saint Nick (Stereo Single Version)
19. Fun, Fun, Fun (Mono Single Version)
20. Little Honda
21. Don't Worry Baby (2009 Stereo Mix)
22. Why Do Fools Fall In Love (2009 Stereo Mix)
23. The Warmth Of The Sun
24. I Get Around (with Session Intro - Mono)
25. Wendy (2007 Stereo Mix)
26. All Summer Long (2007 Stereo Mix)
27. Girls On The Beach
28. Don’t Back Down
29. When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) (2012 Stereo Mix)
30. All Dressed Up For School (Mono)
31. Please Let Me Wonder (2007 Stereo Mix)
32. Kiss Me, Baby (2000 Stereo Mix)
33. In The Back of My Mind (2012 Stereo Mix)
34. Dance, Dance, Dance (2003 Stereo Mix)
               

CD 2
   
1. Do You Wanna Dance (2012 Stereo Mix)
2. Help Me, Rhonda (Mono Single Version)
3. California Girls (2002 Stereo Mix)
4. Amusement Parks USA (Early Version)
5. Salt Lake City (2001 Stereo Mix)
6. Let Him Run Wild (2007 Stereo Mix)
7. Graduation Day (Session Excerpt and Master Take, 2012 Mix)
8. The Little Girl I Once Knew (Mono)
9. There's No Other (Like My Baby) (2012 “Unplugged” Mix with Party Session Intro)
10. Barbara Ann (2012 Stereo Mix)
11. Radio Spot “Wonderful KYA” (Mono)
12. Sloop John B (1996 Stereo Mix)
13. Wouldn't It Be Nice (2001 Stereo Mix)
14. God Only Knows (1996 Stereo Mix)
15. I Just Wasn’t Made For These Times (1996 Stereo Mix)
16. Caroline No (1996 Stereo Mix)
17. Good Vibrations (Mono)
18. Our Prayer (2012 “Smile Sessions” Stereo Mix)
19. Heroes And Villains: Part 1 (“Smile Sessions” Mix - Mono)
20. Heroes And Villains: Part 2 (“Smile Sessions” Mix - Mono)
21. Vega-Tables (“Smile Sessions” Stereo Mix)
22. Wind Chimes (“Smile Sessions” Stereo Mix)
23. The Elements: Fire (Mrs. O’Leary’s Cow) (“Smile Sessions” Mix - Mono)
24. Cabin Essence (“Smile Sessions” Mix - Mono)
25. Heroes And Villains (2012 Stereo Mix)
26. Wonderful (2012 Stereo Mix)
27. Country Air (2012 Stereo Mix)
28. Wild Honey (2012 Stereo Mix)
               

CD 3
   
1. Darlin' (2012 Stereo Mix)
2. Let The Wind Blow (2001 Stereo Mix)
3. Meant For You (Alternate Version)
4. Friends
5. Little Bird
6. Busy Doin' Nothin'
7. Sail Plane Song (2012 Stereo Mix)
8. We're Together Again (2012 Stereo Mix)
9. Radio Spot “Murray The K” (Mono)
10. Do It Again (2012 Stereo Mix)
11. Old Man River (Vocal Section)
12. Be With Me
13. I Can Hear Music
14. Time To Get Alone
15. I Went To Sleep
16. Can’t Wait Too Long (A Cappella)
17. Break Away (Alternate Version)
18. Celebrate The News
19. Cotton Fields (The Cotton Song) (Single Version, 2001 Stereo Mix)
20. Susie Cincinnati (2012 Mix)
21. Good Time
22. Slip On Through
23. Add Some Music To Your Day
24. This Whole World
25. Forever
26. It's About Time
27. Soulful Old Man Sunshine
28. Fallin’ In Love (2009 Stereo Mix)
29. Sound Of Free (Mono Single Version)
30. Til I Die
31. Surf’s Up
               

CD 4
   
1. Don’t Go Near The Water
2. Disney Girls (1957)
3. Feel Flows
4. (Wouldn’t It Be Nice To) Live Again
5. Marcella
6. All This Is That
7. Sail On Sailor
8. The Trader
9. California Saga (On My Way To Sunny Californ-I-A)
10. Rock And Roll Music (2012 Mix w/Extra Verse)
11. It's OK (Alternate Mix)
12. Had To Phone Ya
13. Let Us Go On This Way
14. I’ll Bet He’s Nice
15. Solar System
16. The Night Was So Young
17. It's Over Now (Alternate Mix)
18. Come Go With Me
19. California Feelin’
20. Brian’s Back (Alternate Mix)
21. Good Timin'
22. Angel Come Home
23. Baby Blue
24. It's A Beautiful Day (Single Edit) (2012 Mix)
25. Goin’ To The Beach
               

CD 5
   
1. Goin' On
2. Why Don’t They Let Us Fall In Love
3. Da Doo Ron Ron
4. Getcha Back
5. California Dreamin’
6. Kokomo
7. Soul Searchin’
8. You’re Still A Mystery
9. That’s Why God Made The Radio
10. Isn’t It Time (Single Version)

THE BEACH BOYS LIVE:

11. Runaway (Chicago 1965 – w/Concert Promo Intro - Mono)
12. You’re So Good To Me (Paris 1966 - Mono)
13. The Letter (Hawaii Rehearsal 1967)
14. Friends (Chicago 1968 - Mono)
15. Little Bird (Chicago 1968 - Mono)
16. All I Want To Do (London 1968)
17. Help Me, Rhonda (New Jersey 1972)
18. Wild Honey (New Jersey 1972)
19. Only With You (New York 1972)
20. It’s About Time (Chicago 1973)
21. I Can Hear Music (Maryland 1975)
22. Vegetables (New York 1993)
23. Wonderful (New York 1993)
24. Sail On Sailor (Louisville 1995)
25. Summer In Paradise (Wembley 1993)
            

CD 6
   
FROM THE VAULTS:
1. Radio Spot (1966 – Mono)
2. Slip On Through (A Cappella Mix)
3. Don’t Worry Baby (Stereo Session Outtake w/ Alternate Lead Vocal)
4. Pom Pom Play Girl (Vocal Session Highlight)
5. Guess I’m Dumb (Instrumental Track w/Background Vocals)
6. Sherry She Needs Me (1965 Track w/1976 Vocal)
7. Mona Kana (Instrumental Track)
8. This Whole World (A Cappella)
9. Where Is She?
10. Had To Phone Ya (Instrumental Track)
11. Smile Backing Vocals Montage (from “The Smile Sessions”)
12. Good Vibrations (Stereo Track Sections)
13. Be With Me (Demo)
14. I Believe In Miracles (Vocal Section)
15. Why (Instrumental Track)
16. Barnyard Blues
17. Don’t Go Near The Water (Instrumental Track)
18. You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling
19. Transcendental Meditation (Instrumental Track)
20. Our Sweet Love (Vocals w/Strings)
21. Back Home (1970 Version)
22. California Feelin’ (Original Demo)
23. California Girls (“Lei’d In Hawaii” Studio Version)
24. Help You, Rhonda (“Lei’d In Hawaii” Studio Version)
25. Surf's Up (1967 Version) (2012 Mix)
26. My Love Lives On
27. Radio Spot (1964 - Mono)
28. Wendy (BBC – Live in the Studio 1964 - Mono)
29. When I Grow Up (To Be A Man) (BBC – Live in the Studio 1964 - Mono)
30. Hushabye (BBC – Live in the Studio 1964 - Mono)
31. Carl Wilson: Coda (2013 Edit)


I have to say, despite splitting the WH songs over two discs, this lineup makes me quite happy.

WIBNTLA!

:woot


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on June 11, 2013, 10:52:13 AM
Ooo. I just noticed Back Home coupled with the '63 tracks. goodie goodie goodie.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on June 11, 2013, 10:56:05 AM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Vega-Table Man on June 11, 2013, 10:58:01 AM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

Extraction mix...?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Cabinessenceking on June 11, 2013, 11:08:36 AM
I wonder why no Surf's Up live 1971-1973....  :'(


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Wrightfan on June 11, 2013, 11:17:18 AM
Ooo. I just noticed Back Home coupled with the '63 tracks. goodie goodie goodie.

Good eye! Keep finding new things every time I read this lol.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on June 11, 2013, 11:20:36 AM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

Extraction mix...?
I doubt it. They have those for Rhonda and GV, but they elected to use the mono mixes of those two songs.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 11, 2013, 11:23:30 AM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

Extraction mix...?
I doubt it. They have those for Rhonda and GV, but they elected to use the mono mixes of those two songs.

But didn't Steve Desper say that the multitracks of Do It Again were lost forever?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: The Radiant Radish on June 11, 2013, 11:50:10 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81GHA9qbTmL._SL1500_.jpg)

Very LARGE (1500 pixels wide) version of cover art! Rather nice.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on June 11, 2013, 12:59:35 PM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

Extraction mix...?
I doubt it. They have those for Rhonda and GV, but they elected to use the mono mixes of those two songs.

But didn't Steve Desper say that the multitracks of Do It Again were lost forever?
Yeah, I thought so too. Maybe they found it in somebody's garage. ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Zach95 on June 11, 2013, 02:01:03 PM
I'm going to pop in again here and say that this is absolutely fantastic! Whether or not the new stuff is thirty forty or twenty five percent of the new box set...it seems that the Beach Boys are finally serving their long time, dedicated fans.

Having said that, this darn thing comes out two days after I go to college. Wouldn't It Be Nice (To Live Again) better be on iTunes.   :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on June 11, 2013, 03:07:28 PM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

probably used the version they recorded for the Walmart CD


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on June 11, 2013, 03:22:46 PM
Probably won't be able to afford the actual thing, goddammit  :'( Never mind the real estate a boxset takes up. It looks surprisingly good - California Feeling, twice! WIBNTLA! I'm a sucker for acapella tracks! You're Still A Mystery! A Blondie Wild Honey in good quality! Mona Kana! I can't get the mental image that 'I Believe In Miracles' is actually The Beach Boys singing Hot Chocolates 'You Sexy Thing' out of my mind!

Bootleg quality annoys me nowadays. I will say that not releasing Stevie was an act of genuine bedlam, though. If any song needed decent fidelity....

To iTunes on the day of release, I guess. If RCA can put 17 CDs of Nilsson, and with ample amount of fresh unreleased tracks, out for £50.00, why does this have to cost so much? TSS was a similar price and it looked like a real storefront. Is that tidal wave on the cover going to be made of real water?


*grumble grumble poverty grumble*


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 11, 2013, 03:27:35 PM
To iTunes on the day of release, I guess. If RCA can put 17 CDs of Nilsson, and with ample amount of fresh unreleased tracks, out for £50.00, why does this have to cost so much? TSS was a similar price and it looked like a real storefront. Is that tidal wave on the cover going to be made of real water?

Remember, the Nilsson box cost that much in the US, too. We don't know what the UK charge for this is going to be, yet...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on June 11, 2013, 03:32:25 PM
I hope this "3.    Meant For You (Alternate Version) " features a longer tag.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on June 11, 2013, 03:33:58 PM
Andrew,

My only doubt on that front is that the price discrepancy between US & UK on BB's product wasn't going that great last time - A Smile box in America goes for $144, and I paid... £120 for mine?

Then again, that Nilsson box is probably going to be a shoebox with 17CDs inside - no-one's mentioned booklets with that, unlike the link here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-to-cap-50th-anniversary-with-career-spanning-box-set-20130611

So that naturally ramps up the price.... Sigh.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Paulos on June 11, 2013, 03:48:10 PM
Andrew,

My only doubt on that front is that the price discrepancy between US & UK on BB's product wasn't going that great last time - A Smile box in America goes for $144, and I paid... £120 for mine?

Then again, that Nilsson box is probably going to be a shoebox with 17CDs inside - no-one's mentioned booklets with that, unlike the link here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-to-cap-50th-anniversary-with-career-spanning-box-set-20130611

So that naturally ramps up the price.... Sigh.

Wait till its on amazon.ca, I got my Smile set from there delivered to the UK for far less than getting it from amazon.co.uk

*EDIT*

It's on amazon.ca - http://www.amazon.ca/Made-California-CD-Box-Set/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370990928&sr=8-1&keywords=made+in+california (http://www.amazon.ca/Made-California-CD-Box-Set/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370990928&sr=8-1&keywords=made+in+california) - $112.34 = £70.65 at current exchange rates.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: hypehat on June 11, 2013, 03:54:21 PM
Don't tempt me, man, I'm supposed to be looking for a new place to live  :lol


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: lostbeachboy on June 11, 2013, 05:01:21 PM
Chronologically my @$$! The front cover art looks like a kid in elementary school made it. I didn't know waves were yellow...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: drbeachboy on June 11, 2013, 06:04:46 PM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

probably used the version they recorded for the Walmart CD
Say it ain't so, Joe!

Thankfully, it is situated with the 20/20 songs, so I'm thinking they found stuff.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jimmie_R on June 12, 2013, 12:44:08 AM
And.... *pre-ordered*  ;D ;D ;D :hat


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Freddie French-Pounce on June 12, 2013, 01:24:26 AM
Andrew,

My only doubt on that front is that the price discrepancy between US & UK on BB's product wasn't going that great last time - A Smile box in America goes for $144, and I paid... £120 for mine?

Then again, that Nilsson box is probably going to be a shoebox with 17CDs inside - no-one's mentioned booklets with that, unlike the link here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beach-boys-to-cap-50th-anniversary-with-career-spanning-box-set-20130611

So that naturally ramps up the price.... Sigh.

Wait till its on amazon.ca, I got my Smile set from there delivered to the UK for far less than getting it from amazon.co.uk

*EDIT*

It's on amazon.ca - http://www.amazon.ca/Made-California-CD-Box-Set/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370990928&sr=8-1&keywords=made+in+california (http://www.amazon.ca/Made-California-CD-Box-Set/dp/B008XZKSRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370990928&sr=8-1&keywords=made+in+california) - $112.34 = £70.65 at current exchange rates.

Did it arrive on time/early though?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: monkee knutz on June 12, 2013, 06:50:38 PM
Been a while since I posted here, but I thought I'd toss in my two cents.

While it looks grand and there IS great stuff on it, there's still so much missing here that merits inclusion and some head scratching that ponders why they are not.

I'm Going Your Way
River Song (group version) (I know the tapes were allegedly wiped for Dennis' version, but something exists of the original)
Santa Ana Winds (alternate)
Looking Down The Coast
Dirty Ding Dang (Rollin' Up To Heaven) - just for humor's sake
Carry Me Home
It's Trying To Say
Big Sur (alternate)
Good Timin' (early version)
Surf's Up ('72 alternate)
Everybody Wants To Live
Go and Get That Girl
Lines
California Dreamin' (early version)
One Kiss Led To Another (Party sessions)
Slip On Through (alternate backing track)
The Letter

Other immediate thoughts:
* There are more bits to Can't Wait Too Long that remain unreleased, I hope they are part of the a cappella version on this set.
* Why on Earth was "Da Doo Ron Ron" from the KTSA era included... it's terrible! Little Girl from the same era would have been a better choice.
* 3 versions of Heroes & Villains on disc 3???
* I'm wondering if Linett is holding onto the Adult Child era material for a potential release of its own.
* Help Me, Rhonda (New Jersey 1972)??? It's gotta be really good or why would this overplayed song need a live version released?
* Help You, Rhonda (“Lei’d In Hawaii” Studio Version) ... is pretty weak.
* Had To Phone Ya... we needed the released version AND backing track on this set?
* Somewhere Near Japan got snubbed.
* Beach Boys Medley ... what about this one?  ;)

Still ... looking VERY forward to the box in August!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Dave Modny on June 12, 2013, 10:10:23 PM
Been a while since I posted here, but I thought I'd toss in my two cents.

While it looks grand and there IS great stuff on it, there's still so much missing here that merits inclusion.....

The Letter


The Letter is on there (Disc 5 - Track 13). Though, I'm curious as to why they refer to it as a "Hawaii Rehearsal" vs. the actual post-concert, 9/67 Heider date that we obviously know and love? That is, unless this box set version truly is from the bona fide, pre-concert rehearsal (which it sounds like it might very well be, considering that it's situated on the live disc). Possibly one of those real soundcheck/rehearsal recordings.



Quote

Other immediate thoughts:
* Help Me, Rhonda (New Jersey 1972)??? It's gotta be really good or why would this overplayed song need a live version released?



Probably because Dennis would most likely be singing it, as he already was by '72. Something unique and different for an old warhorse, that is. :)


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* Had To Phone Ya... we needed the released version AND backing track on this set?



Assuming that what's being included is what I'm referring to, probably because that "strings-up," backing track version of Had To Phone You truly is incredible (IMHO). A real link to days-gone-by that, frankly, casts Brian's arrangement in a whole new light. One might say light years away from 15 BOs...and more like something from Pet Sounds.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Phoenix on June 13, 2013, 03:55:00 AM

* Beach Boys Medley ... what about this one?  ;)



Regardless of our personal feelings towards it, I've always felt that it, and to a lesser extent the 1979 "Here Comes The Night" SHORT version, should be included in a career spanning box set.  The latter almost made the Top 40 and the former went all the way to #12 in the states...in 1981! 

And don't even get me started on "Wipe Out".   ;D


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Sam_BFC on June 13, 2013, 07:16:40 AM
What is the '72 alternate version of Surf's Up?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 13, 2013, 07:18:12 AM
What is the '72 alternate version of Surf's Up?

Live version, for (IIRC) Dutch radio. A nice version, but not something utterly revelatory or anything.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on June 13, 2013, 07:31:41 AM
What is the '72 alternate version of Surf's Up?

Live version, for (IIRC) Dutch radio. A nice version, but not something utterly revelatory or anything.

Oh buy…  I have heard that (I think), and found it quite gorgeous.  Nice to know!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on June 13, 2013, 07:55:10 AM
I would actually really love to hear that, revelatory or not.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mendota Heights on June 13, 2013, 07:57:05 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81GHA9qbTmL._SL1500_.jpg)

Very LARGE (1500 pixels wide) version of cover art! Rather nice.

Looks like an orange.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Shady on June 13, 2013, 08:07:42 AM
The cover is terrible. I do like the packaging though.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on June 13, 2013, 08:12:31 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81GHA9qbTmL._SL1500_.jpg)

Very LARGE (1500 pixels wide) version of cover art! Rather nice.

Looks like an orange.

And who doesn't like oranges?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: AndrewHickey on June 13, 2013, 09:31:34 AM
What is the '72 alternate version of Surf's Up?

Live version, for (IIRC) Dutch radio. A nice version, but not something utterly revelatory or anything.

Oh buy…  I have heard that (I think), and found it quite gorgeous.  Nice to know!

Sorry to say that that one came up in the discussion of what's *not* on there, though. Yes, it is a nice one, but I suppose they thought no-one needs three Surf's Ups on the same set...


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: John Manning on June 13, 2013, 11:07:40 AM
What is the '72 alternate version of Surf's Up?

Live version, for (IIRC) Dutch radio. A nice version, but not something utterly revelatory or anything.

Oh buy…  I have heard that (I think), and found it quite gorgeous.  Nice to know!

Sorry to say that that one came up in the discussion of what's *not* on there, though. Yes, it is a nice one, but I suppose they thought no-one needs three Surf's Ups on the same set...

Ach, my bad (as they say…).  I guess I'll have ensure I live long enough to hear the next archival set … or the one after that!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Smilin Ed H on June 13, 2013, 11:41:48 AM
If it is anything like £70.65 in the UK, what's not to like. That's less than four Premier League games and I know which will give me more (and longer lasting) enjoyment. I'm there. Yeah, I've got loads of the tracks already - though not always in these mixes - but the same could be said for Good Vibrations and I bought that one too.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on June 13, 2013, 11:44:38 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81GHA9qbTmL._SL1500_.jpg)

Very LARGE (1500 pixels wide) version of cover art! Rather nice.

Looks like an orange.

Sponsored by Sunkist.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on June 13, 2013, 12:05:52 PM
I wonder what they found to create a 2012 stereo mix of Do It Again?

Extraction mix...?

No.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on June 13, 2013, 12:10:09 PM
OK, so the multis have been found then? If so this is good news. This stuff is out there and still showing up.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: DMBeard_13 on July 25, 2013, 09:14:19 PM
Review of MIC

http://www.examiner.com/review/made-california-box-set-is-the-beach-boys-best-yet

Deeper look at "(Wouldn't It Be Nice To) Live Again"

http://www.examiner.com/article/dennis-wilson-s-music-lives-again-new-box-set


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rocker on April 27, 2015, 02:02:57 PM
I hope this hasn't been answered but if so, then please move me to the right direction.


Do we have info of what the setlists are of the '66 Paris, '68 + '73 Chicago and '75 Maryland shows and what has been recorded?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: lee on April 27, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
I hope this hasn't been answered but if so, then please move me to the right direction.


Do we have info of what the setlists are of the '66 Paris, '68 + '73 Chicago and '75 Maryland shows and what has been recorded?

Here's the setlist for Chicago - August 15, 1973 http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/8-15-73.html
Here's the setlist for Maryland - June 27, 1975 http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/1975/capital-centre-landover-md-73db1efd.html

No setlist listed for Paris 10/25/66 but it's probably close to this show from 3 days earlier http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/10-22-66b.html
No setlist listed for Chicago - 7/5/68 but it's probably close to this show from 8 days later http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/7-13-68.html

Speaking of MIC, I'm curious about whatever happened to that 7th disc that was supposed to be for a retailer exclusive. What was on it and why not release it as a RSD release or a beachboys.com exclusive?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: pixletwin on April 27, 2015, 05:14:39 PM
What about the online sessionography we were getting?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: SMiLE Brian on April 27, 2015, 05:19:25 PM
Great question,pixletwin !


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: bgas on April 27, 2015, 05:30:49 PM
 Hey, It's the Beach Boys! You were expecting this on schedule?


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim V. on April 27, 2015, 09:30:10 PM
What about the online sessionography we were getting?

I know. I really appreciate c-man's work, but wasn't his original projected release date like Christmas 2013 or something. By this point, it shouldn't even just be the tracks on the box. It might as well be the band's ENTIRE CAREER.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Mikie on April 27, 2015, 09:36:05 PM
Hey, they don't call him Slowinski for nuttin'!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: c-man on April 28, 2015, 03:32:05 AM
Hey, they don't call him Slowinski for nuttin'!

 ;)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Rocker on April 28, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
I hope this hasn't been answered but if so, then please move me to the right direction.


Do we have info of what the setlists are of the '66 Paris, '68 + '73 Chicago and '75 Maryland shows and what has been recorded?

Here's the setlist for Chicago - August 15, 1973 http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/8-15-73.html
Here's the setlist for Maryland - June 27, 1975 http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-beach-boys/1975/capital-centre-landover-md-73db1efd.html

No setlist listed for Paris 10/25/66 but it's probably close to this show from 3 days earlier http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/10-22-66b.html
No setlist listed for Chicago - 7/5/68 but it's probably close to this show from 8 days later http://members.tripod.com/~fun_fun_fun/7-13-68.html





Thanks!


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 02, 2015, 01:19:51 AM
Hey, they don't call him Slowinski for nuttin'!
You forget that Polish name in English would sound different. Since c-man is American, he will be "Slo-vinsky".
Look fwd to MIC sesh.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Jim Murphy on May 02, 2015, 04:53:44 AM
Good things come to those who wait.

And, in an off-shoot of the old Orson Welles commercial for Paul Masson wine, "We will release no sessionography before its time."  :)


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lumen on September 01, 2020, 11:19:31 PM
Apologies for the late bump on this but I didn't want to start a whole new thread. Looking hook up with anyone who purchased this box set via iTunes or any other digital online store.

There was a 'Digital Booklet' offered with purchase. I have the physical box itself but simply cannot justify purchasing the box digitally when a) I don't need it b) not just for a pdf.

In 2011 I did get a digital copy of the 2CD Smile Sessions that had a 'Digital Booklet' also, got it from HD Tracks, actually. I would be willing to 'trade' if anyone is interested?

(https://i.postimg.cc/PfvPGp0j/Apple.png)

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: HeyJude on September 02, 2020, 12:26:20 PM
Apologies for the late bump on this but I didn't want to start a whole new thread. Looking hook up with anyone who purchased this box set via iTunes or any other digital online store.

There was a 'Digital Booklet' offered with purchase. I have the physical box itself but simply cannot justify purchasing the box digitally when a) I don't need it b) not just for a pdf.

In 2011 I did get a digital copy of the 2CD Smile Sessions that had a 'Digital Booklet' also, got it from HD Tracks, actually. I would be willing to 'trade' if anyone is interested?

(https://i.postimg.cc/PfvPGp0j/Apple.png)

Thanks in advance.

I would assume the "digital booklet" is just a pdf of the book included in the physical set.


Title: Re: Made In California set for August 27th!!!!
Post by: Lumen on September 02, 2020, 02:41:59 PM
Apologies for the late bump on this but I didn't want to start a whole new thread. Looking hook up with anyone who purchased this box set via iTunes or any other digital online store.

There was a 'Digital Booklet' offered with purchase. I have the physical box itself but simply cannot justify purchasing the box digitally when a) I don't need it b) not just for a pdf.

In 2011 I did get a digital copy of the 2CD Smile Sessions that had a 'Digital Booklet' also, got it from HD Tracks, actually. I would be willing to 'trade' if anyone is interested?

(https://i.postimg.cc/PfvPGp0j/Apple.png)


Thanks in advance.

I would assume the "digital booklet" is just a pdf of the book included in the physical set.

You would be correct!