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Title: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on January 27, 2013, 10:34:17 AM
Still haven't been pulled in too much by this album.
I am however, really happy that Brian put so much into this, and I think it's by far the best BB record after Holland up until TWGMTR.

14. Johnny Carson
13. Roller Skating Child
12. Let's Put Our Hearts Together - Sweet song, but Brian sounds really rough.
11. Ding Dang - Love it, it's just too short!
10. Solar System
9. Love is a Woman
8. Mona
7. Honkin' Down the Highway
6. I'll Bet He's Nice
5. I Wanna Pick You Up - The fade is fantastic.
4. The Night Was So Young
3. Let Us Go on This Way - Wonderful.
2. Good Time - Sounds like it should be on Friends. Brian sounded so good. What a shame.
1. Airplane - I'm in love with this.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 27, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
My favorite album by the group, and in my Top 10 albums by anyone. Impossible for me to rank the tracks.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: phirnis on January 27, 2013, 10:50:17 AM
1. I'll Bet He's Nice
2. The Night Was So Young
3. Mona
4. Roller Skating Child
5. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
6. I Wanna Pick You Up
7. Airplane
8. Good Time
9. Johnny Carson
10. Ding Dang
11. Let Us Go on This Way
12. Solar System
13. Honkin' Down the Highway
14. Love is a Woman

Probably my favorite record by anyone, BB or not, so for me this is all great from beginning to end.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 27, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
Probably my most played Beach Boys' album.:police:

1. Roller Skating Child
2. The Night Was So Young
3. I'll Bet He's Nice
4. Let Us Go On This Way
5. Airplane
6. Johnny Carson

7. Honkin' Down The Highway
8. I Wanna Pick You Up
9. Good Time (I STILL wish they would've recorded new vocals or not use it)
10. Solar System
11. Ding Dang
12. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
13. Mona

14. Love Is A Woman (the SNL performance ROCKS, though)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Dave Modny on January 27, 2013, 11:35:13 AM
1. Let Us Go On This Way
2. The Night Was So Young
3. Mona
4. I'll Bet He's Nice
5. Honkin' Down The Highway
6. Good Time
7. Roller Skating Child
8. Airplane
9. Johnny Carson
10. Ding Dang
11. Solar System
12. I Wanna Pick You Up
13. Let's Put Our Hearts Together (though...I dig the backing track by itself)
14. Love Is A Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on January 27, 2013, 11:37:09 AM
The Night Was So Young
Honkin’ Down The Highway
Roller Skating Child
Let Us Go On This Way
Airplane

Good Time
Mona
Solar System
Ding Dang
Johnny Carson
Love Is A Woman
I’ll Bet He’s Nice
Let’s Put Our Hearts Together
I Wanna Pick You Up


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Smilin Ed H on January 27, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
01.   The Night Was So Young
02.   Johnny Carson
03.   I'll Bet He's Nice
04.   Good Time
05.   Let Us Go On This Way
06.   Roller Skating Child
07.  Airplane
08.  Honkin' Down the Highway
09.  I Wanna Pick You Up
10.  Let's Put Our Hearts Together
11.  Mona
12.  Love Is A Woman
13.  Ding Dang
14.  Solar System

Love the whole album!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on January 27, 2013, 11:47:04 AM
1.   Airplane
2.   Solar System
3.   The Night Was So Young
4.   Roller Skating Child
5.   I Wanna Pick You Up
6.   I’ll Bet He’s Nice
7.   Let's Put Our Hearts Together
8.   Let Us Go on This Way
9.   Mona
10.   Honkin' Down the Highway
11.   Johnny Carson
12.   Good Time
13.   Love is a Woman
14.   Ding Dang


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on January 27, 2013, 11:49:39 AM
1.   The Night Was So Young
2.   Let Us Go On This Way
3.   Honkin' Down the Highway
4.   Let's Put Our Hearts Together
5.   Airplane
6.   Good Time
7.   I'll Bet He's Nice
8.   Johnny Carson
9.   I Wanna Pick You Up
10. Roller Skating Child
11. Mona
12. Solar System
13. Love is a Woman
14. Ding Dang


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Lowbacca on January 27, 2013, 11:49:55 AM
One my favourite BBs albums.  :3d

(http://brianwilsonfans.com/attachments/Image/albums/loveyou.jpg)


Brilliant:

01.  I Wanna Pick You Up
02.  I'll Bet He's Nice
03.  Roller Skating Child
04.  Solar System
05.  Good Time
06.  Love Is A Woman
07.  Ding Dang


Good:

08.  Mona
09.  Let's Put Our Hearts Together
10.  Johnny Carson
11.  The Night Was So Young
12.  Let Us Go On This Way
13.  Airplane
14.  Honkin' Down the Highway


Forgettable:

-


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: wantsomecorn on January 27, 2013, 12:26:51 PM
What a bizarre album, but still a classic. It's a shame none of these got played on the reunion tour, "Roller Skating Child" was great live, and I'm sure Al could still knock "Honkin'" out of the park.


1.   The Night Was So Young
2.   I'll Bet He's Nice
3.   Airplane
4.   Mona
5.   Let's Put Our Hearts Together
6.   Let Us Go On This Way
7.   Solar System
8.   Good Time
9.   Honkin' Down the Highway
10. Johnny Carson
11. Roller Skating Child
12. Ding Dang
13. Love is a Woman
14. I Wanna Pick You Up

Another thing: I always call this "The Beach Boys Love You". It's a love letter to their fans.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: schiaffino on January 27, 2013, 01:28:41 PM
My second fav BB album after Pet Sounds - like I once said, I see it as the sequel to PS when the young kid in love at the beginning wakes up a Sunday morning, hangover, thinking 'what the heck happened to my life?'...the answer is 'ding-dang'  :lol

My track ranking:
1. Airplane - sth impossibly haunting in Brian's falsetto here, a masterpiece with great vocals from Mike
2. Honkin' down the highway - Al has never sound better, having more fun with a song than here
3. The night was so young - nice lyrics for this album, great harmonizing in the middle sections (specially from Carl)
4. Johnny Carson - listen to the synths, man, this is the sh*t! this song along validates Brian's weird production choice - love it  >:D
5. I'll bet he's nice - another good lyrics anomaly here, still wish I could listen to Brian's demo

6. Let us go on this way - really cool choice for an album opener, you gotta love Carl's 'arrggg'
7. Solar system - goofy track, but nice verse, I really dig Brian's falsetto in this album (am I the only one?)
8. Mona - like the bit about Phil Spector
9. Ding Dang - can only come out of Brian's genius mind
10. Let's put our hearts together - the verses are ok, the chorus not so much...whatever
11. I wanna pick u up - creepy
12. RSC - stupid, but like Brian's scream at the end
13. Love is a woman - Brian's failed attempt at crooning old-school style, although I like the awkwardness of SNL's performance

Extra: Good Timin. I don't understand this song. Sorry, doesnt make sense here. Its really catchy, but it screws the album's 'unity'. No ranking.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on January 27, 2013, 02:22:41 PM
I'll Bet He's Nice is heartbreaking, and possibly the best thing that Brian has written since "'Til I Die," so that gets first place.  The two runners up are probably "Roller Skating Child" and "Mona."  After that, I don't think any effort at ranking would be meaningful.  All of the songs are excellent.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Tord on January 27, 2013, 03:20:12 PM
1.   Good Time
2.   Love is a Woman
3.   Let Us Go on This Way
4.   I Wanna Pick You Up
5.   Honkin' Down the Highway
6.   Johnny Carson
7.   Roller Skating Child
8.   Solar System
9.   Ding Dang
10. Airplane
11. The Night Was So Young
12. I'll Bet He's Nice
13. Mona
14. Let's Put Our Hearts Together


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on January 27, 2013, 03:53:16 PM
1. Good Time
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. The Night Was So Young
4. Roller Skating Child 
5. I'll Bet He's Nice
6. I Wanna Pick You Up
7. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
8. Airplane
9. Johnny Carson
10. Solar System
11. Mona
12. Honkin' Down the Highway
13. Ding Dang

14. Love is a Woman

Very bizarre yet thoroughly enjoyable record.  Truly their last great album, and from a credits perspective, by far Brian's most independently written album.  The production is drenched in bleeting synths and I love it.  As someone completely uninterested in lyrics, I can't say I have anything in that regard except that the child-like naivety of it works with the eccentric nature of the record.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: The Dumb Angel on January 27, 2013, 04:08:07 PM
This album kicks ass! Definitely one of my favorites!

Fantastic
1. I'll Bet He's Nice
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. Johnny Carson
4. The Night Was So Young
5. Airplane

Great
6. Roller Skating Child
7. I Wanna Pick You Up
8. Solar System
9. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
10. Honkin' Down The Highway

Very Good
11. Ding Dang
12. Mona
13. Love Is A Women
14. Good Time (I do enjoy this song a lot, but I feel It doesn't belong on Love You)



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 27, 2013, 11:12:24 PM
Openly not a fan, but there are some good moments. I think the last four on my list really ruin it for me.
1 Good Time (prime era Brian and Beach Boys put the rest to vocal shame)
2 The Night Was So Young
3 I'll Bet He's Nice
4. Ding Dang
5 Honkin
6. Airplane
7. Roller Skatin'
8. Mona
9. Let Us Go On This Way
10. Johnny Carson
11. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
12. Solar System
13. I Want To Pick You Up
14. Love Is A Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 27, 2013, 11:34:53 PM

11. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
12. Solar System
13. I Want To Pick You Up
14. Love Is A Woman

These 4 songs are worse than anything off Summer In Paradise.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 27, 2013, 11:39:00 PM
Hearts, Solar System and I Wanna Pick You Up are my three favorites on the album. Also love Alex Chilton's versions of the latter two songs. Those songs get to the heart of Brian Wilson. If someone likes the dreadful Moog solo on Leaving This Town, or lame poetry excerpts on The Beaks Of Eagles, let alone that Melcher-Love tripe from Summer In Uranus, more than those goofy, beautiful bulletins from the soul of B-Dub, I dunno what to say.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: shelter on January 28, 2013, 12:18:20 AM
Often called a love it or hate it kind of album, but I don't really have a strong opinion about this one. I like it, but it's not one of my favorites.

1. The Night Was So Young
2. Good Time
3. I'll Bet He's Nice
4. I Wanna Pick You Up
5. Mona
6. Airplane
7. Let Us Go On This Way
8. Solar System
9. Ding Dang
10. Johnny Carson
11. Honkin' Down the Highway
12. Roller Skating Child
13. Love Is A Woman
14. Let's Put Our Hearts Together


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: buddhahat on January 28, 2013, 01:20:17 AM
1. The Night Was So Young
2. Airplane
3. I'll Bet He's Nice
4. I Wanna Pick You Up
5. Solar System
6. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
7. Johnny Carson
8. Mona
9. Good Time
10. Let Us Go On This Way
11. Honkin' Down The Highway
12. Roller Skatin' Child
13. Ding Dang
14. Love Is A Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SonicVolcano on January 28, 2013, 01:29:08 AM
Such a great album and very hard to rate!

1. Roller Skating Child
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. Johnny Carson
4. I'll Bet He's Nice
5. The Night Was So Young
6. Good Time
7. Honkin' Down The Highway
8. I Wanna Pick You Up
9. Airplane
10. Solar System
11. Ding Dang
12. Mona.
13. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
14. Love Is A Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Eric Aniversario on January 28, 2013, 01:31:34 AM
1. Roller Skating Child
2. I’ll Bet He’s Nice
3. Let Us Go On This Way
4. Good Time
5. Mona


6. The Night Was So Young
7. Airplane
8. Honkin’ Down The Highway

9. I Wanna Pick You Up
10. Ding Dang
11. Love Is A Woman
12. Solar System
13. Let’s Put Our Hearts Together
14. Johnny Carson



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: rogerlancelot on January 28, 2013, 02:02:03 AM
I love the whole album and can't pick out a favorite. If there was one track that I could live without it would be "Ding Dang" but since it is so short it doesn't bother me much. The rest are stellar. So many memorable hooks and chord changes. I even love "Let's Put Our Hearts Together" and "Love Is A Woman" even though they don't get the love for them I think they deserve. Makes me totally forget and forgive 15 Big Ones.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Cabinessenceking on January 28, 2013, 06:28:05 AM
If count only the 70s, then I reckon Surf’s Up to be the best BBs album of decade. However, I totally love the subject! It’s quirky, childlike, sincere, optimistic & magical.

1. I Wanna Pick You Up – I very adore it! Esp. the 2nd verse with those splendid synths in square lead mode. The coda is a raving beauty!
2. Honkin’ Down The Highway - like before or later, Al does the killer vocals! The “Hon-hon, honkin’ down the highway” harmonies are jolly contagious.
3. Johnny Carson - the song without intro; sung in words of one syllable; the last minute is rollicking!
4. Airplane - Mike’s finest moment. Can’t underrate Brian’s cracked but anyway charming falsetto either. Also, dig the “A 1-2… a 1-2-3-4” countdown & funky style of drumming.
5. Solar System - an evident influence on Paul McCartney’s Let Me Roll It, specially the middle eight. A song-wonder.
6. Good Time - don’t think that sonically it’s a black sheep among other tracks. Very sunny & cute, especially the tag with “Hey”.
7. Roller Skating Child – I like it if only for Al’s “Round & around & around we go…” & Brian’s final line. Overall, fantastic track!
8. Let’s Put Our Hearts Together – demo of it is great, but cannot outshine the studio version with Marilyn’s gorgeous crystal clear singing which is polar opposite to Brian’s rough performance. Also this has one of the most honest lyrics from all of The BBs’ catalog.
9. Let Us Go On This Way – at one time, Carl’s short scream seemed to me rather hard on the ears. Now I don’t mind that. Really rocking tune. Yet we have ethereal harmonies “God please let us go on this way” thrown between the noisy synth bass lines.
10. I’ll Bet He’s Nice – tbh, I prefer Brian’s demo, but only by a narrow margin. In LY cut, I dislike Carl’s vocals, that’s all. Other than that, everything is to my liking, mainly the ringing guitars!
11. Love Is A Woman – Brian sings it as about sth. grand, Mike – like about a secret treasure & Al brings some fun at the end. Terrific song! Was no less great in 1976 when Brian performed it alone sitting at the piano in white costume.
12. Mona – again, the demo is good. Nevertheless, am not so keen on its repetitive nature of the melody. Though it’s quite amusing to hear “Phil Spector”, “Be My Baby” from Dennis’s mouth organ, so to speak.
13. Ding Dang – have mixed feelings towards this ditty: sometimes I’m in the mood for listening to it, sometimes – skip it. The plus is it’s not so long to get tire of it & admittedly, it’s one catchy little song.
14. The Night Was So Young – while I’m still not fond of Carl’s voice here, I actually grew to like it a bit. Pleasant music. The best embellishment is descending guitar after every 4th verse line. Some other arrangements are quite nice too.


Where do you get that info on Solar System influencing Macca's Let Me Roll It when the former was released 3 years after? Band On The Run sessions were in 1973-74 IIRC and Love You is 1977.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: clinikillz on January 28, 2013, 08:55:19 AM
1. The Night Was So Young
2. I'll Bet He's Nice
3. Good Time
4. Airplane
5. Let Us Go On This Way
6. Honkin' Down the Highway
7. I Wanna Pick You Up
8. Love is a Woman
9. Johnny Carson
10. Roller Skating Child
11. Mona
12. Solar System
13. Ding Dang
14. Let's Put Our Hearts Together


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 28, 2013, 09:08:18 AM
Where do you get that info on Solar System influencing Macca's Let Me Roll It when the former was released 3 years after? Band On The Run sessions were in 1973-74 IIRC and Love You is 1977.

Right question & correction, Ck. Doing the vice versa, i.e. Solar System is influenced by Let Me Roll It, is even cooler! Brian & Paul indeed were friends & listened to each other's music even in the 70s.

I'm not at all sure that's the case -- I don't think I've ever heard McCartney ever mention anything post-Pet Sounds.
I also don't hear any more than the very, very vaguest similarities between the two songs -- really only the line "Mercury's close to the sun", and that just because it's going between a major chord and the minor chord a tone up, which is about the most cliched change in the world. The two pieces are vastly different -- Let Me Roll It is a three-chord rocker in (mostly) 6/8, while Solar System has something ridiculous like four key changes in it and is in 3/4.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 28, 2013, 09:55:06 AM
Where do you get that info on Solar System influencing Macca's Let Me Roll It when the former was released 3 years after? Band On The Run sessions were in 1973-74 IIRC and Love You is 1977.

Right question & correction, Ck. Doing the vice versa, i.e. Solar System is influenced by Let Me Roll It, is even cooler! Brian & Paul indeed were friends & listened to each other's music even in the 70s.

I'm not at all sure that's the case -- I don't think I've ever heard McCartney ever mention anything post-Pet Sounds.
I also don't hear any more than the very, very vaguest similarities between the two songs -- really only the line "Mercury's close to the sun", and that just because it's going between a major chord and the minor chord a tone up, which is about the most cliched change in the world. The two pieces are vastly different -- Let Me Roll It is a three-chord rocker in (mostly) 6/8, while Solar System has something ridiculous like four key changes in it and is in 3/4.

Yes. The songs are nothing alike.

That being said, I have heard Paul mention "Vegetables," in regards to his alleged involvement. And I would also find it hard to believe that he wasn't listening to albums like Wild Honey and Friends. They do seem to have some kind of an influence on his early solo work, as David Leaf notes in either the SS/WH or F/2020 liners.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SMiLE-addict on January 28, 2013, 09:55:45 AM
First time I listened to this album, I couldn't stop cracking up. I can't tell whether it's supposed to be serious music, but just a bit goofy, or whether it's supposed to be some kind of satire.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 28, 2013, 10:08:52 AM
I can't stop cracking up every time I hear it. It is the true SMILE.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: B-Rex on January 28, 2013, 10:39:50 AM
Fantastic
1. The Night Was so Young
2. I'll Bet He's Nice

Just fine
3. Honkin' Down the Highway
4. Ding Dang
5. Let us Go on This Way

Passable
6. Airplane
7. Let's Put our Hearts Together

Ugh!
the Rest



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 28, 2013, 10:46:16 AM
The Good

1/ Good Time - Again a Sunflower reject is the best thing on here. But how out of place is the production/vocals with the rest of the record?
2/ I Bet He's Nice - Dennis's new husky voice suits this song fine.
3/ Let Us Go On This Way - This and the next song is almost The Beach Boys do punk.
4/ Roller Skating Child.
5/ Honking Down The Highway - Great sing a long chorus.
6/ The Night Was So Young - The other really good ballad on the album.
7/ Ding Dang - If only they'd put on the full "Rollin' Up To Heaven" version!!
8/ Airplane - Love the call and responce coda with Brian and Carl.

The Average

9/ Johnny Carson - A fairly bad song saved by the fact that it's great to do a sleazy Mike Love type dance to.
10/ Mona - After the first 15 seconds you've basically heard the whole song.

The very, very, very Bad!!

11/ I Wanna Pick You Up - Was Dennis drunk when he sang this? Was Brian high when he wrote it?
12/ Let's Put Our Hearts Together - Fact; in the 6 years or so I've owned Love You, I've never managed to reach the end of this song.
13/ Love Is A Woman- May have stood a chance, but Brian's staggeringly bad vocals kill it stone dead.
14/ Solar System - I stand by my earlier post - nothing on SIP is as awful as this song.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SMiLE-addict on January 28, 2013, 10:52:57 AM
Some of the songs are so bad, they're good!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on January 28, 2013, 10:55:55 AM
Along with Smiley Smile, it's the closest you'll get to pure Brian Wilson. If you can't get past the sound, then forget the sound, marvel at the arrangements, the "in the moment" spontaneity. This album is so easily up there with his best work, impossible to rank the tracks, great from start to finish.

As respectful I am of others opinions, I just don't get how people can slate this album, then rave about "That's Why God Made The Autotune",  ;)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 28, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
I both love this album to death and feel it's overrated. I think there were better songs left in the can off of Adult Child/New Album.

By the way...Mike's Beard...you listed I bet He's Nice  twice, above!


14. Good Time- I LOVE this song, but it does not fit at all vocally (although lyrically it kind of does) on this album. It would've fit better on 15 BO, personally. This ranking is because of it being out of place, NOT the quality of the song.

13. Love is a Woman- This is actually the worst song on the album by far. I hate hate hate the 50s vibe of the song, and I cannot take it seriously after hearing it butchered on SNL by Brian (the 'Treat Her-er-er-er' part where Brian's voice is warbling like he's singing in a fan )

12. Mona-   Halfassed composition (unlike the previous song which was all ass)

11. The Night was So Young- Brilliant song, but I despise Carl's voice on this. He sounds like either the tape is fixing to break, or someone gave Droopy Dog some Somas and asked him to sing.

I like pretty much everything after this, so it's all good, and the rankings change for me depending on my mood

10. Ding Dang-  Was this all there was of the recording? A 1973 recording, but this time an older track actually fits. Part of me wishes the 1974 track 'Rollin Up To Heaven' was on here instead, though, but we know that wasn't gonna happen!

9. Honkin' Down the Highway

8 I bet he's nice

7 Airplane

6 Johnny Carson

5 Let's Put Our Hearts together

4 I Wanna Pick You Up

3 Roller Skatin' Child

2 Let's Go on this Way

1. Solar System- Yes,I love this song that much. First of all, as a kid I was obsessed with space (I mean, my very first songs I wrote, at the age of 11, were about space), and I love the goofy lyrics...so dumb it's brilliant.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 28, 2013, 11:29:34 AM
I can't stop cracking up every time I hear it. It is the true SMILE.
Could say the same about Smiley Smile too, both are understood better once the listener gets the humor aspects.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 28, 2013, 11:51:23 AM
I don't understand how someone can hate "Ding Dang" -- there's more song in that 59 seconds than on most other group's whole albums! :lol


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on January 28, 2013, 11:56:59 AM
I don't understand how someone can hate "Ding Dang" -- there's more song in that 59 seconds than on most other group's whole albums! :lol

I love the story where Roger Mcguinn, after writing this with Brian left Brian playing it and went off to bed. In the morning, he came downstairs and Brian was still playing it.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Paulos on January 28, 2013, 12:04:11 PM
Crazy album, the thing that's most crazy for me is that the record label were willing to put it out!

1. Johnny Carson
2. Solar System
3. I Bet He's Nice
4. The Night Was So Young
5. Let Us Go On This Way
6. Good Time
7. Ding Dang
8. Roller Skatin' Child
9. Honkin' Down The Highway
10. Airplace
11. Love Is A Woman
12. Mona
13. I Wanna Pick You Up
14. Let's Put Our Hearts Together


Side-note, absolutely hate the album cover, they should have got their money back off Dean for that abomination.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Domino on January 28, 2013, 12:12:57 PM
1. Honkin' Down the Highway - This is such a strange song, strange in a really good way! Gotta love Als "hoo" after singing "Prayin' prayin' that she'll hold me tight"!
2. The Night Was So Young - Heavy emotional song.
3. I'll Bet He's Nice - This one is really sad to me.
4. Roller Skating Child - It's kind of slow punk!    
5. I Wanna Pick You Up - A really wierd vibe on this track.  
6. Let Us Go On This Way - Desperation is the feeling I get from this song, "When I leave you I'm so depressed, 'Cause you're my only happiness". Great start to the album!
7. Mona
8. Johnny Carson - "The network makes him break his back" :lol
9. Love is a Woman
10. Solar System
11. Ding Dang
12. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
13. Good Time
14. Airplane


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 28, 2013, 12:13:07 PM


By the way...Mike's Beard...you listed I bet He's Nice  twice, above!


Thanks Billy. Let that be a lesson to us all; never try to write an appraisal of a BBs album whilst eating your dinner!!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 28, 2013, 12:19:55 PM
The funny thing is, I almost typed 'you listed I Bet He's Nice I Bet He's twice' because of the rhyme scheme, and now I have that f*cker stuck in my damn head!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Rob Dean on January 28, 2013, 01:14:00 PM
I adore this album , and its my second favorite by the band behind Sunflower.

Really can't rank the tracks ( Yep Good Time shouldn't have been on there) too damn difficult , love the texture/crude production it just all fits.

The use of synths is so ahead of its time in pop (especially the moog bass) the album really is the bastard father of Dare by The Human League ( to quote a good friend of mine  :lol)  , basic drums , no bass guitar in sight - The whole project is such a big gamble and  just so inventive for it.

AND the scribble on the run out grove of the vinyl from Marilyn is just so cool (surprised no one else has mentioned it) 


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 28, 2013, 01:18:33 PM
I love having Good Time on there precisely because it doesn't fit. Just adds to the strangeness. After the battering run of Roller Skating Child, Mona, Johnny Carson, and Honkin', to have that smooth Sunflower sound coming in right then, it is insanity.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 28, 2013, 01:19:53 PM
I wish instead of GT on there, we would've have something like 'Everybody Wants to Live' or 'Lines'.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SonicVolcano on January 28, 2013, 02:00:56 PM
Love the dirty bass synths on this album, especially in LUGOTW.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 28, 2013, 02:56:06 PM
:lol


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: joshferrell on January 28, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
I don't understand how someone can hate "Ding Dang" -- there's more song in that 59 seconds than on most other group's whole albums! :lol

I love the story where Roger Mcguinn, after writing this with Brian left Brian playing it and went off to bed. In the morning, he came downstairs and Brian was still playing it.
That's the version they should have released on the album since the other one is too short..


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on January 28, 2013, 07:27:29 PM
I love having Good Time on there precisely because it doesn't fit. Just adds to the strangeness. After the battering run of Roller Skating Child, Mona, Johnny Carson, and Honkin', to have that smooth Sunflower sound coming in right then, it is insanity.

Though Brian's vocal performance is obviously a major contrast with his voice on the rest of the album, "Good Time" fits quite well thematically with its mixture of whimsy and eroticism, rather like "Roller Skating Child," "Honking Down the Highway," and (somewhat more ambiguously) "I Wanna Pick You Up."


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: rogerlancelot on January 28, 2013, 08:14:55 PM
I don't understand how someone can hate "Ding Dang" -- there's more song in that 59 seconds than on most other group's whole albums! :lol

There is only one chord in it.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: rogerlancelot on January 28, 2013, 10:05:08 PM
Chords are overrated.

 :lol

Now that one made me laugh out loud!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Quzi on January 28, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
1/ I'll Bet He's Nice
2/ Let Us Go On This Way
3/ The Night Was So Young
4/ Roller Skating Child
5/ Airplane
6/ Johnny Carson
7/ Good Time
8/ I Wanna Pick You Up
9/ Honkin' Down the Highway
10/ Mona
11/ Ding Dang
12/ Solar System
13/ Let's Put Our Hearts Together
14/ Love is a Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Dave Modny on January 28, 2013, 11:06:19 PM
I like Good Time, too. I would've rated it higher, but I have to admit to being partial to the original/vintage, unreleased stereo mix. It seems like it was a concerted effort on the powers-that-be part to make the Love You mix, well, more Love You-esque: Not using that doubling effect on the choruses, mixing the backing vocals down to the point of almost not being there on the same choruses (they're also split in stereo on the vintage mix), those little vocal ad-libs at the end, etc., etc. It's also kind of cool how the band was so apt to dip into their '69-'71 tracks during this period -- be they actually used or just considered.

Though, I have to wonder: I don't remember, offhand, the professional reviews for LY at the time of its release, but surely someone had to notice the vast difference in Brian's voice on that track? Was it even mentioned, or the track's actual origins realized by any reviewer of notoriety at the time?


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 28, 2013, 11:10:38 PM
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Though, I have to wonder: I don't remember, offhand, the professional reviews for LY at the time of its release, but surely someone had to notice the vast difference in Brian's voice on that track? Was it even mentioned, or the track's actual origins realized by any reviewer of notoriety at the time?

Good question!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 29, 2013, 12:48:37 AM
I think the thing for me is that The Beach Boys were such good singers, Brian was such a good producer, that sonic sludge and off key vocals aren't acceptable to me. Never mind some pretty rough lyrics. The best songs on here are very nice, but I have never played the LP all the way through for my wife or friends who like the band. I just can't. Of course that applies to most 1976-96 Beach Boys albums.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on January 29, 2013, 04:15:01 AM
It's an album we're lucky to have.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Bill M on January 29, 2013, 07:31:29 AM
I don't like this album nearly as much as most of the folks on this board.  Loved it when it first came out, but very little has stood the test of time for me.

1) Ding Dang - so bizarre, you have to love it.  As others have said, it's too short.
2) Good Time - also rather bizarre.  Didn't like it at first, but it's grown on me over the years.

Everything else doesn't cut it for me.  Sorry!  Let's just agree to disagree.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 29, 2013, 07:42:17 AM
I think the thing for me is that The Beach Boys were such good singers, Brian was such a good producer, that sonic sludge and off key vocals aren't acceptable to me. Never mind some pretty rough lyrics. The best songs on here are very nice, but I have never played the LP all the way through for my wife or friends who like the band. I just can't. Of course that applies to most 1976-96 Beach Boys albums.

The problem seems to be preconceptions.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Musketeer on January 29, 2013, 09:09:55 AM
I like Good Time, too. I would've rated it higher, but I have to admit to being partial to the original/vintage, unreleased stereo mix. It seems like it was a concerted effort on the powers-that-be part to make the Love You mix, well, more Love You-esque: Not using that doubling effect on the choruses, mixing the backing vocals down to the point of almost not being there on the same choruses (they're also split in stereo on the vintage mix), those little vocal ad-libs at the end, etc., etc. It's also kind of cool how the band was so apt to dip into their '69-'71 tracks during this period -- be they actually used or just considered.

Though, I have to wonder: I don't remember, offhand, the professional reviews for LY at the time of its release, but surely someone had to notice the vast difference in Brian's voice on that track? Was it even mentioned, or the track's actual origins realized by any reviewer of notoriety at the time?
I only remember the Rolling Stone review which was very positive but I don't think even mentioned "Good Time." I bought the 8 track version, which did not list the lead singers, so I assumed Al sang lead on it.  ;D


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mr. Cohen on January 29, 2013, 09:20:44 AM
Oh God, this is going to be tough.

THE GREAT

1. Roller Skating Child: This song just rocks, and it's such a clever arrangement. The hint of "Da Doo Doo Ron" tack piano in the background of the verses is a particularly brilliant touch, and the transition into the fade is so unique and cool.
2. Honkin' Down The Highway. That. Drum. Intro. Also, something about that organ reminds me of "Wendy", and the infectious bass coupled with Carl Wilson's purposefully robotic country noodling is just too much awesomeness for my poor brain too handle.
3. The Night Was So Young: Just beautiful. The perfect cross between Pet Sounds and Love You's shimmering Lite Brite world of sound and awkward emotional honesty. When it cuts to just a piano and the Boys singing "doo, doo, doot, do, doo", I die.
4. Let Us Go On This Way: This takes the rumbling, driving, room-filling quality of the Moog fart bass to unbelievable heights. It has real power.
5. I Wanna Pick You Up: The counterpoint synth lines during the second verse are insanely brilliant, and I enjoy the diversity of the arrangement, from the accordion (?) in the chorus to the trippy but gentle little vocal outro. Hell, the way the song breaks down before the vocal outro is a small thing of wonder, too.
6. Let's Put Our Hearts Together: Rough as hell, but an intensely gorgeous song. It really is at a Today! or Pet Sounds level in terms of songwriting. The background vocals do kinda creep me out for a point because of how close it sounds to Imagination.
7. Airplane: The spacey instrumental works with the concept of flying up in an airplane, and it's a sweet theme for a love song. The chords and melody near the end (you know, "CARRY ME BACK TO HER SIDE!!!!") are pretty powerful, and I enjoy how the moog bass transitions between the chords during the first half of the song.
8. Ding Dang. Roger McGuinn. Brian Wilson. Cocaine. 'Nuff said.

THE GOOD
9. I'll Bet He's Nice: Truly a GREAT song, but the elements don't quite mesh here. While having the arrangements outshine the lyrics in intelligence is one of the quirks of this album, it's a little too much here. You have these incredibly simplistic lyrics butting up against a bizzaro world Switched On Bach synthesized arrangement, and it's just hard to comfortably feel it out on an emotional level.
10. Johnny Carson: Ed McMahon comes on and says, "here's Johnny!" Every night at a 11:30 he's so FUH-ON-HEY! That about sums it up, right? The vaguely gospel-like piano is so wonderfully demented.
11. Mona: Fun song, but could use a bridge or something.
12. Solar System: The Spectorian blend between the piano and organ are appropriately spacey, and that synthesizer that transitions between the chorus and the verses and bridge is exactly right for the moment, but somehow this song's arrangement still seems slightly undercooked. The chorus doesn't seem like it's all it should be.

THE OK
13. Love Is a Women: I dig the barroom love song vibe Brian was going for, and this has a nice Spector bass line... but it's a little boring, to be honest. The bridge is great, though.

THE BAD:
14. Good Time: Not a bad song, but I despise it for breaking up the mood.



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 29, 2013, 09:22:51 AM
It's actually very easy to picture what a Love You era re-recording of Good Time would have sounded like.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 29, 2013, 05:29:15 PM
I think the thing for me is that The Beach Boys were such good singers, Brian was such a good producer, that sonic sludge and off key vocals aren't acceptable to me. Never mind some pretty rough lyrics. The best songs on here are very nice, but I have never played the LP all the way through for my wife or friends who like the band. I just can't. Of course that applies to most 1976-96 Beach Boys albums.

The problem seems to be preconceptions.
Not really. I didn't mind any of the harder rocking, bare,  or eccentric stuff from 1967-74 one bit. In fact I like it. I even like the big band session from 1977. I just don't like many of these songs on a musical or vocal level. I can accept different, but to me it just sounds like bad music or a poor effort. My point above is that I know what they had been able to do, and suddenly they couldn't do it or wouldn't. 


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 29, 2013, 08:32:36 PM
It is a Brian album, it isn't about "they". I think the people who actually seem to like the band as a whole, more than just as a vehicle for Brian's talent, are the ones who seem to dislike the album. The Holland lovers. Personally, when Brian is on it, as he is on Love You, for better or worse to some ears according to the era of his creativity, I could care less about the rest of them (aside from their interpretations of Brian's work), and I don't miss their songs particularly.
Honestly, to me the greatness of the album is just as smack-in-the-face obvious as Pet Sounds. I am as befuddled by a negative opinion of the record by fellow BW fans as I would be if they claimed the Earth was flat and that Smile was garbage.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 29, 2013, 09:01:05 PM
I love Love You but like the New Album/ Adult Child material better


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on January 30, 2013, 02:56:18 AM
It is a Brian album, it isn't about "they". I think the people who actually seem to like the band as a whole, more than just as a vehicle for Brian's talent, are the ones who seem to dislike the album. The Holland lovers. Personally, when Brian is on it, as he is on Love You, for better or worse to some ears according to the era of his creativity, I could care less about the rest of them (aside from their interpretations of Brian's work), and I don't miss their songs particularly.
Honestly, to me the greatness of the album is just as smack-in-the-face obvious as Pet Sounds. I am as befuddled by a negative opinion of the record by fellow BW fans as I would be if they claimed the Earth was flat and that Smile was garbage.

I couldn't agree more. In fact its time I came out of the closet. I am a Brianista and proud of it!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 30, 2013, 05:18:25 AM
It is a Brian album, it isn't about "they". I think the people who actually seem to like the band as a whole, more than just as a vehicle for Brian's talent, are the ones who seem to dislike the album. The Holland lovers. Personally, when Brian is on it, as he is on Love You, for better or worse to some ears according to the era of his creativity, I could care less about the rest of them (aside from their interpretations of Brian's work), and I don't miss their songs particularly.
Honestly, to me the greatness of the album is just as smack-in-the-face obvious as Pet Sounds. I am as befuddled by a negative opinion of the record by fellow BW fans as I would be if they claimed the Earth was flat and that Smile was garbage.

I'm not quite the Brianista you are -- I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals (I even think Al's solo album is better than some of Brian's) -- but in general I agree. Love You is one of the two or three best things the band have done, together or separately, and the main reason for that is it presents a coherent artistic vision from the band's greatest talent.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 30, 2013, 05:22:18 AM
Nope I am a group fan and proud of it so maybe that's why. Still change the word they to he in what I wrote and it still applies.
I love Brian, he is one of a kind, but it's that they all wrote and sang together so well that I like the best. I don't think for instance Holland is better than Today, Wild Honey, Pet Sounds etc. but Holland is very good Beach Boys to me just outside their top ten.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Shady on January 30, 2013, 06:23:17 AM
It's an album we're lucky to have.

I agree..

How it ever got released, I don't know


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 30, 2013, 08:15:35 AM
  I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 30, 2013, 08:34:35 AM
Mike Eder, I understand where you're coming from, and I rank Love You in my Top 5 BB albums, maybe as high as No. 2.

There's only two things I'd change. The first, and just to get this issue out of the way, is "Good Time". I wish they would've either re-recorded the vocals or leave it off, maybe for "Good Timin" or something else. But, to your issue...

I accept and sometimes love the ragged vocals. I'm not sure why, maybe because of the honesty and the true picture of the band at that particular time. But, this is where I see your point and agree with you. Some of the vocals - Brian's tag on "Roller Skating Child", "Solar System", "Let's Put Our Hearts Together"  and "Love Is A Woman" - are borderline embarrasing, whether you love Brian or not. Again, while I accept their "newness" and true picture, maybe an extra, better take was in order. We all know how hit and miss Brian could be vocally. Maybe on a better day...

The only analogy I can make is the recent Bob Dylan. Man, I love his stuff, and I accept his deteriorating voice over the last ten years. But, sometimes it ain't easy enjoying his last couple of records because of his vocals. You almost have to work at it! :-D The best example would be Christmas From The Heart. That's not an easy listen. But, your appreciation of the artist and love of his work overrides it. I view Love You like that, and I'm able to, well, love it.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Wrightfan on January 30, 2013, 04:29:26 PM
It's uneven but there's a lot of awesome tracks
The Night was So Young
Good Time (Very underrated. Would've loved this on Sunflower. Replace maybe a song like It's About Time with this.)
Honkin' Down the Highway
Let us Go On This Way
Airplane
I'll Bet He's Nice
I Wanna Pick you Up
Let's Put our Hearts Together
Love is a Woman
Solar System
Ding Dang
Johnny Carson
Roller Skating Child
Mona


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ArtVandalay on January 30, 2013, 05:51:27 PM
Wow...surprised to see Mona at the bottom of so many lists.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Alan Smith on January 30, 2013, 07:35:56 PM
Be careful, or you might end up spending the rest of the night in there. Thanks to you expert Beach Boys collectors, I have been blissfully absorbed for days. What a damn interesting thread!

If only I could find the Rolling Stone piece on the New Jersey tarmac incident...I've been working my way back from page 11. Maybe it's on page four.

Go forth - http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,6867.msg110359.html#msg110359



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 30, 2013, 09:08:07 PM
  I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 30, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
Mike Eder, I understand where you're coming from, and I rank Love You in my Top 5 BB albums, maybe as high as No. 2.

There's only two things I'd change. The first, and just to get this issue out of the way, is "Good Time". I wish they would've either re-recorded the vocals or leave it off, maybe for "Good Timin" or something else. But, to your issue...

I accept and sometimes love the ragged vocals. I'm not sure why, maybe because of the honesty and the true picture of the band at that particular time. But, this is where I see your point and agree with you. Some of the vocals - Brian's tag on "Roller Skating Child", "Solar System", "Let's Put Our Hearts Together"  and "Love Is A Woman" - are borderline embarrasing, whether you love Brian or not. Again, while I accept their "newness" and true picture, maybe an extra, better take was in order. We all know how hit and miss Brian could be vocally. Maybe on a better day...

The only analogy I can make is the recent Bob Dylan. Man, I love his stuff, and I accept his deteriorating voice over the last ten years. But, sometimes it ain't easy enjoying his last couple of records because of his vocals. You almost have to work at it! :-D The best example would be Christmas From The Heart. That's not an easy listen. But, your appreciation of the artist and love of his work overrides it. I view Love You like that, and I'm able to, well, love it.
Well with Dylan of course his voice since Oh Mercy (or even Street Legal) isn't so hot, but I equate it to Dennis in a way. I feel Dennis sounded fine on his own songs (or anything with a more serious vibe he attempted then) during the mid to late seventies years because his musical textures changed and I feel Dylan's has as well. They made the adjustment so to speak. Brian didn't adjust the same way, to me his singing is just plain bad on some cuts here. I think the music called for Brian to sing it, but not the Brian of 1976. I also have a problem with the synth being so heavy and the lyrics so it's not the voice alone for me.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: bossaroo on January 30, 2013, 10:47:41 PM
in case anyone missed this in the other thread. my wonderful sweetheart embroidered this for me
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/207631_10151345673563928_466243327_n.jpg)

one of my favorite albums by anyone ever.
too hard to rank but i'm definitely a side 2 guy.

I'll Bet He's Nice and The Night Was So Young are among the finest tunes Brian ever wrote.
I love I Wanna Pick You Up so incredibly much... it's probably my favorite thing on the whole album. Similar to When A Man Needs A Woman on Friends. Some fans don't seem too crazy about it, but for me those songs are the most Brian of all.

i will say that Mike's vocal on Airplane just about ruins it for me and he really stinks up Love Is A Woman too. Mike's vocals on these two songs alone are so much worse than anything Brian or the other guys laid down. I prefer the Brian-sung demos on those tunes and it's so great that the Love You demos exist. Let's Put Our Hearts Together is a demo gem as well.

love Honkin' and Good Time of course.
Johnny Carson exists in a universe unto itself, as does Solar System.

Let Us Go On This Way and Roller Skating Child are classics if slightly undercooked, in my opinion.
Mona and Ding Dang are fairly simple and repetitive, especially DD.
yet i love them both immensely.

what an album.




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AND the scribble on the run out grove of the vinyl from Marilyn is just so cool (surprised no one else has mentioned it)

tell me more about this please.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 30, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
That looks tight as hell...she did a great job!

I actually really like Mike's vocals on 'Airplane', as it serves a nice contrast to Brian's part.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Don Malcolm on January 31, 2013, 06:03:13 AM
Wow...surprised to see Mona at the bottom of so many lists.

"Mona" is not the lowest ranked song on Love You when one compiles the info here. That "honor" belongs to "Love Is A Woman."

Here's what the song ranking looks like:

7 (out of 10)-The Night Was So Young (23/4), I'll Bet He's Nice (20/2), Let Us Go On This Way (20/2)
6-Airplane (13/2), Roller Skating Child (13/7), Good Time (11/6), Honkin' Down the Highway (13/5)
5-I Wanna Pick You Up (11/8), Johnny Carson (7/6)
4-Solar System (7/11), Mona (5/15)
3-Let's Put Our Hearts Together (4/14), Ding Dang (2/16)
2-Love Is A Woman (1/24)

Numbers (in parentheses) are the number of rankings in the top 5/bottom 5.

Overall rankings (adjusted to a 1-10 scale) are: Night Was So Young 7.93, I'll Bet He's Nice 7.52, Let Us Go On This Way 7.17, Airplane 6.21, Roller Skating Child 6.10, Good Time 6.08, Honkin' Down the (Gosh-Darn) Highway 5.98, I Wanna Pick You Up 5.24, Johnny Carson 5.02, Solar System 4.40, Mona 4.05, Let's Put Our Hearts Together 3.76, Ding Dang 3.43, Love Is A Woman 2.29.

These rankings are only for Love You tunes in relation to one another, of course, which limits their applicability. Still, interesting stuff...


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: smilethebeachboysloveyou on January 31, 2013, 06:25:58 AM
Wow...surprised to see Mona at the bottom of so many lists.

"Mona" is not the lowest ranked song on Love You when one compiles the info here. That "honor" belongs to "Love Is A Woman."

Here's what the song ranking looks like:

7 (out of 10)-The Night Was So Young (23/4), I'll Bet He's Nice (20/2), Let Us Go On This Way (20/2)
6-Airplane (13/2), Roller Skating Child (13/7), Good Time (11/6), Honkin' Down the Highway (13/5)
5-I Wanna Pick You Up (11/8), Johnny Carson (7/6)
4-Solar System (7/11), Mona (5/15)
3-Let's Put Our Hearts Together (4/14), Ding Dang (2/16)
2-Love Is A Woman (1/24)

Numbers (in parentheses) are the number of rankings in the top 5/bottom 5.

Overall rankings (adjusted to a 1-10 scale) are: Night Was So Young 7.93, I'll Bet He's Nice 7.52, Let Us Go On This Way 7.17, Airplane 6.21, Roller Skating Child 6.10, Good Time 6.08, Honkin' Down the (Gosh-Darn) Highway 5.98, I Wanna Pick You Up 5.24, Johnny Carson 5.02, Solar System 4.40, Mona 4.05, Let's Put Our Hearts Together 3.76, Ding Dang 3.43, Love Is A Woman 2.29.

These rankings are only for Love You tunes in relation to one another, of course, which limits their applicability. Still, interesting stuff...

Even if "Mona" isn't at the bottom, I'm surprised that it hasn't done better than it has.  I'm not too surprised that "The Night Was So Young" and "I'll Bet He's Nice" were the top two, but I would honestly have expected "Mona" to have come in somewhere not too far behind.  I guess that's just my own bias.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Don Malcolm on January 31, 2013, 07:35:24 AM
Even if "Mona" isn't at the bottom, I'm surprised that it hasn't done better than it has.  I'm not too surprised that "The Night Was So Young" and "I'll Bet He's Nice" were the top two, but I would honestly have expected "Mona" to have come in somewhere not too far behind.  I guess that's just my own bias.

I hear you! I have similar feelings about "Got To Know The Woman" from Sunflower, which ranks near the bottom of that album's rankings--unjustifiably so, IMO.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SgtTimBob on January 31, 2013, 08:07:48 AM
Here's my list :)

1 - The Night Was So Young
2 - I'll Bet He's Nice
3 - Love is a Woman
4 - Good Time
5 - Honkin Down the Highway
6 - Airplane
7 - Roller Skating Child
8 - Let Us Go On This Way
9 - Mona
10 - Let's Put Our Hearts Together
11 - I Wanna Pick You Up
12 - Solar System
13 - Johnny Carson
14 - Ding Dang

That's right, Love is a Woman is right up near the top. I love how Brian just goes with the harshness of it all (I'm not sure, but it almost sounds like there's a recorder in there along with a flute). I think the 1-2-3 part is just brilliant, too.

Edit: Just wanted to add that - The Night Was So Young... really gives me that Today feeling.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 09:30:00 AM
  I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.

Yes, but Brian ceding control of the band's output wasn't a natural progression.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 31, 2013, 09:50:11 AM
  I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.

Yes, but Brian ceding control of the band's output wasn't a natural progression.
20/20 is the posterchild of this progression, the other members tried to step-up but their material was still outdone by Brian's tracks from the vault. I think Sunflower's failure is what really killed Brian's desire to be in the BBs.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Don Malcolm on January 31, 2013, 10:19:39 AM
  I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.

Yes, but Brian ceding control of the band's output wasn't a natural progression.
20/20 is the posterchild of this progression, the other members tried to step-up but their material was still outdone by Brian's tracks from the vault. I think Sunflower's failure is what really killed Brian's desire to be in the BBs.

All interesting stuff. Question: would we think differently of the other guys' material on 20/20 if the Smile material hadn't been included? Or is the thought here that "Do It Again" and "I Went to Sleep" and "Time to Get Alone" eclipses the other material? It sure looks like 20/20 was a pretty canny effort to put all the eggs in a basket: new BW, milk the Smile myth, showcase Dennis' songwriting, expand the BBs sound into something more in tune with what was happening in rock. Sunflower is a more "organic" version of that strategy, with a more cohesive style (arrived at almost at random, however, via the back-and-forth with Reprise).

It strikes me that the internal dynamics got trickier once Jack Reiley was on board. It would be interesting to hear Stephen Desper talk about Jack's influence in this time frame...I don't think I've seen him comment on that anywhere. Surf's Up (LP and song as released in '71) is clearly the result of band politics, not good for Dennis and possibly another corner-turning moment for Brian, who had to feel that he was being used as ballast at this point. We then get Brian off with Tandyn Almer in what looks like his last sustained manic phase before he winds up planted in his four-poster for a sizable portion of the mid-70s.

Sobering thought: without all of this intrigue, and Brian's unique way of "opting out," would we have such a curious, amazing, contradictory record as Love You? With more professional (and clearly less self-aggrandizing) "help to stand alone" that Landy provided Brian in his first go-round, would the bizarre state of affairs that gave Love You a chance to exist simply never have happened?


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Dave Modny on January 31, 2013, 10:51:09 AM
Wow...surprised to see Mona at the bottom of so many lists.

I love Mona. I put it third on my list, but it could have just as easily been 1 or 2 for me. Fat synth line. Great groove. Whatever conflicted, or even negative feelings I might have for *some* of the tracks on the album, that's never been one of them.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 31, 2013, 01:01:56 PM
 I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.

Yes, but Brian ceding control of the band's output wasn't a natural progression.
Those around then who worked with the group see it differently.
Part of Brian resented it, part of him liked being A Beach Boy instead of THE Beach Boy. There was a good group feeling going for two-three years. In those years Brian was in good enough shape to decide when he would or wouldn't participate, and everything was dropped when he wanted to wrk,
The situation in 1976 was Brian being put in charge even though he wasn't in great shape. You can hear that, and maybe Love You sounds slightly cruel for it. Sure it's a clear picture of Brian but a pretty sad one.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 31, 2013, 01:07:56 PM
  I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.

Yes, but Brian ceding control of the band's output wasn't a natural progression.
20/20 is the posterchild of this progression, the other members tried to step-up but their material was still outdone by Brian's tracks from the vault. I think Sunflower's failure is what really killed Brian's desire to be in the BBs.
Yes Sunflower not selling and the use of Surf's Up (until then he had final approval) kind of drained Brian's enthusiasm. 20/20 wasn't all old recordings from the vaults. Brian did a lot of new stuff for the album, some of which was not used.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Myk Luhv on January 31, 2013, 01:14:57 PM
Isn't that basically why Jeff Foskett dislikes this album too: for extra-musical reasons -- Brian's well-being at this point in his life -- rather than the music per se? That seems a little silly to me, honestly. It'd be like disliking Let's Get It On because Marvin Gaye's drive for that album was him wanting to f*** his (if I recall correctly) teenaged girlfriend.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 01:26:38 PM
 I do think Dennis and (before 1981) Carl were both genuine songwriting talents in their own right, and I think the others add a *lot* with their vocals

I absolutely agree, and I love Dennis's music and the best of Carl's. I'm just saying there isn't one of their songs I wouldn't trade for a top-flight Brian song. On the other hand, there are plenty of bad Brian songs I would trade for a good Dennis or Carl song.
It is just, in general, the view of The Beach Boys as some type of songwriting/production collaborative, has gotten way, way out of hand and needs to be redressed. The only reason anyone else produced anything, or started writing tunes for the band, is because Brian fell down on his job. Period. And all of it would have, and did stop for a couple of albums, as soon as Brian reassumed control. And that's the way it should be. Brian is the genius.
Half of why they started writing was Brian, half was a natural progression. He certainly wrote a lot in 1967-70, even helped Dennis get a good start with Little Bird.

Yes, but Brian ceding control of the band's output wasn't a natural progression.
Those around then who worked with the group see it differently.


Most people who are fans of an album entitled Pet Sounds see it differently. Brian is the architect, he is the great talent of the group in compositional and production terms, and relative to each group's excellence, the later Beach Boys albums are similar to Creedence Clearwater Revival's last album. It doesn't matter if Brian did not want to do everything, the fact is that the group was better when he did. History has recorded the fact that Brian's work is the material that is the group's everlasting legacy. Many folks, including a lot of talented musicians in their own right, would argue that Love You is a part of that legacy.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 31, 2013, 01:41:53 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 02:07:47 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2013, 02:12:10 PM
No need to get hostile. It did look like you were holding up Love You to Pet Sounds, cause that's how I read it as well. It wasn't until I went back and read it for this post that I caught what you were actually saying. And really, nobody was talking about Pet Sounds until you brought it up. Pet Sounds and Love You are so different they might as well be written by two different people. In a way, they were.

Thing is...in the grand scheme of things, who really cares? The band's output is so diverse that most people aren't going to like all eras of the band. I myself happen to prefer the group's work after Brian pulled back a little, and actually Brian's 'post-glory days' work, but a lot of people don't. I can accept that, because my own enjoyment is based on the music rather than other people's opinions on my opinion.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 02:21:40 PM
Well, I'm sorry that is how you read it. Nowhere did I compare the two. But the two albums are just as personal to Brian, now that you mention it, and he seems to have better memories of Love You.
It's cool, folks, enjoy your later BB Jardine songs about wind blowing through the Redwoods and cosmic oceans flowing through everyone's hearts. I'll groove with Brian, watching the TV, then heading to the piano to write about whatever he just watched. To me, and maybe some others, the genius of the band rests far more heavily upon the latter than the former.
There's no need to get hostile about Love You. Love wins over negativity.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 02:23:19 PM

Thing is...in the grand scheme of things, who really cares? 

Then......WHY IS THERE A MESSAGE BOARD?


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2013, 02:26:36 PM
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It's cool, folks, enjoy your later BB Jardine songs about wind blowing through the Redwoods and cosmic oceans flowing through everyone's hearts. I'll groove with Brian, watching the TV, then heading to the piano to write about whatever he just watched. To me, and maybe some others, the genius of the band rests far more heavily upon the latter than the former.

Actually, I prefer the early to mid-70s work from the band, and Brian's unreleased work from the late 70s, for what it's worth.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on January 31, 2013, 02:59:09 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.

I am. Love You is at least as good as Pet Sounds, and maybe better than it.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.

I am. Love You is at least as good as Pet Sounds, and maybe better than it.

Agreed! That's why I'd never compare them.  :police:


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: phirnis on January 31, 2013, 03:09:28 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.

I am. Love You is at least as good as Pet Sounds, and maybe better than it.

I feel the same way about it. Love You is not the kind of album to ever make the top spot of Rolling Stone's "greatest 60s pop / 80s U2 / 90s Radiohead records of all time" list. Instead it's the kind of album that reminds you that pop music should be judged on the basis of personal emotional impact first and foremost.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Dave Modny on January 31, 2013, 03:53:08 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.

I am. Love You is at least as good as Pet Sounds, and maybe better than it.

I feel the same way about it. Love You is not the kind of album to ever make the top spot of Rolling Stone's "greatest 60s pop / 80s U2 / 90s Radiohead records of all time" list. Instead it's the kind of album that reminds you that pop music should be judged on the basis of personal emotional impact first and foremost.



That's absolutely true. But, only if one accepts the notion that LY is automatically going to give someone an emotional thrill from start to finish, or conversely, there's something wrong with, uneducated about, or lacking in the listener if they don't get that thrill.  And, that's the crux of it all: Music is still a personal, aural experience, and one man's gold is another man's garbage. Personally, I value that experience over any sort of dissection as to whether or not I'm supposed to love or accept LY simply because it's a window into the world of Brian Wilson or his perceived genius at the time. So was Sweet Insanity for when it was made, but personally (again), I'd rather gouge my eyes out than listen to the majority of that later record. Thus, I *think* that's what Mike's trying to say: He's simply not moved by, has individual issues with LY as a musical experience, has other sonic preferences, sees faults in some aspects, etc. And for the record, I mostly like Love You as a whole, though I have issues with aspects and parts of it. Some serious.

I also don't get the having to choose one or another mindset. For example, having to choose between a Brian Wilson song or an Al Jardine song. Again, I prefer to judge each on its own merits and how it personally moves me. And despite Denis Wilson's iconic declaration, they're still called The Beach Boys...not "The Brian Wilsons." And that's what's brought me to the table as a fan for nearly 40 years. The sum. For better or worse.

And sometimes...there's a lot of "worse" there. :).


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
Well said, Dave.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 04:09:45 PM
That's a good summary of the position I was noting before: those who see the band as a collection of individual talents, with Brian just slightly above the others. I think that's crazy talk, and so would every member of the actual group. But, horses for courses, I guess. I prefer my Brian Wilson "straight". (That's for you, Andrew)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2013, 04:12:17 PM
Oh, I would say Brian is way more than just slightly above the others, but as I've always said..the 'least' talented Beach Boy is miles ahead of the most talented member of most bands (and if I let my bias show a little, any other band)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on January 31, 2013, 04:21:26 PM
Just wanted to add a couple of opinions without singling out any above, specific posts/posters....

In my opinion, I don't view Brian's gradual withdrawal from The Beach Boys as a conscious, thought-out decision. I view it it as a reaction, an involuntary reaction, to his increasing drug intake and mental illness. He didn't just withdraw from The Beach Boys, he withdrew from a lot of his LIFE.

I don't know if I would categorize Dennis's absence from Surf's Up as getting caught up in group politics. If what I've read on this board in the past is correct, It was a matter of song placement or song sequencing, not politics. Carl suggested one thing, Dennis didn't agree, and took his ball and went home.

Also, I believe for a time, albeit a limited time, Brian did want to return to The Beach Boys to produce 15 Big Ones. Yeah, Landy and the guys and money played a part, but for a few short months in early 1976, Brian did some good work. I mean, just listen to those tracks on 15 Big Ones. They're awesome!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 04:30:39 PM
Oh, I would say Brian is way more than just slightly above the others, but as I've always said..the 'least' talented Beach Boy is miles ahead of the most talented member of most bands (and if I let my bias show a little, any other band)

I agree, and I don't want to make it seem like Dennis and Carl's material isn't great. I'd say the same stuff if Brian joined The Beatles.



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Dave Modny on January 31, 2013, 04:38:52 PM
That's a good summary of the position I was noting before: those who see the band as a collection of individual talents, with Brian just slightly above the others. I think that's crazy talk, and so would every member of the actual group. But, horses for courses, I guess. I prefer my Brian Wilson "straight". (That's for you, Andrew)


Whoa...wait a second. I never said or implied that Brian is "just slightly above the others." I said that I come to the table as a fan who values the sum more than the parts, and who prefers to judge each work individually. And though I obviously have "parts preferences," they're not without exception. Just like you may like an Al Jardine workup like Lady Lynda, but conversely, don't like Rock 'N' Roll Music or He Come Down -- the latter two both with quite a bit of BW involvement (as you already know). Obviously, that doesn't mean you're devaluing Brian's abilities or merit in relation to AJ's. It's a choice-by-choice decision, and in the case of LY, I choose to judge it the same way. Nothing more. Nothing less.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on January 31, 2013, 05:19:57 PM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.
Hostile! Me. I just don't like the thing as a whole. To say I love Brian any less because I also love the others is ridiculous. Frankly my book is for people living in the real world. By the way I completely respect your view on the album, but you as a person are unpleasent.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on January 31, 2013, 06:43:44 PM
Frankly my book is for people living in the real world. 

Sure, man. Everyone needs toilet paper in the real world. Frankly. And there are two a's in the word "unpleasant". And I wasn't saying you, or anyone, like Brian less because you like the others. I was saying, you, and others, seem to dig the others in the band about as much on a compositional/production level, for better, for worse, for whatever. Again, comprehension, with all respect.

Mr. Modny up above, you are a well-spoken and nice guy, and I dig what you're saying.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on January 31, 2013, 07:24:27 PM
Frankly my book is for people living in the real world. 

Sure, man. Everyone needs toilet paper in the real world. Frankly.
Frankly , that was uncalled for. You seriously need to stop attacking people that don't agree with you. I like you and I hate to say this but this is your final warning.

And for the record , I helped work on Mike's book and it happens to be excellent. There was no reason for you to say what you said as you have not read it other than to try to upset him. Not cool.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on February 01, 2013, 01:51:50 AM
See that's what it is, some people have no regard behind the keyboard. I am a real person with real feelings and this is my job. I happen to know a lot about the 1967-75 era because I asked the right people the right questions. If a Brian Wilson who is very on tells you about what he liked in the late sixties about the group, you are going to trust that. When you have a dozen people backing you up on the era, then it becomes something you can deduce as fact. Myths die hard, truth is often more complex.

If somebody thinks Love You is the best LP of all time, more power to them. If someone likes it better than Pet Sounds great. I just don't like when people take a differing opinion and make it personal. I have worked nearly twenty years to make this a great book, I have been in the business for twenty years as I was first published at 15. Don't like my viewpoint, cool. Attack my career and you go over the line. You write anything people are going to get different things from it. I deduced something from a post and was attacked because they meant it another way. I am not a hostile person, but I must defend myself if someone gets personal.

I wouldn't expect if I misunderstood someone in real life they would attack my work. I was snippy back but I had a clear right to be. I treat it like I would real life. I am not going to start anything, but if someone is rude they will get a taste of it back. 


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on February 01, 2013, 02:43:48 AM
Would the band and record label have ever allowed Love You to come out sounding like it did if 15 Big Ones hadn't been a hit?


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Nicko1234 on February 01, 2013, 03:02:59 AM
Some people certainly do see themselves as tough guys from behind their keyboards but back on topic...

Ther are some fine songs on Love You but also some terrible vocals and lyrics. A healthy Brian wouldn't have recorded the songs in that way and a healthy group wouldn't have agreed to release the album. Listening to the album is uncomfortable because it is obviously listening to the work of a troubled, mentally ill man.

Some people (I'm not suggesting the people who've posted in this thread) enjoy that aspect of Brian's career though. the mental health problems are more important than the music to some...


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on February 01, 2013, 03:12:58 AM
 Nicko1234 I think you sumed up the flaws in the period well.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 01, 2013, 03:40:31 AM
We aren't talking about music history, the group got along with Brian and he with them for the most part during the late sixties. It wasn't this stealing the band thing. Brian again was unqiue, but even Pet Sounds wouldn't be what it is with the voices of the rest of the group. I never have seen Love You held up to Pet Sounds even once except this post.

I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.

I am. Love You is at least as good as Pet Sounds, and maybe better than it.

Andrew, all the times you've disagreed with me and peed me off have just evaporated into the ethos. Top man!

Some people certainly do see themselves as tough guys from behind their keyboards but back on topic...

Ther are some fine songs on Love You but also some terrible vocals and lyrics. A healthy Brian wouldn't have recorded the songs in that way and a healthy group wouldn't have agreed to release the album. Listening to the album is uncomfortable because it is obviously listening to the work of a troubled, mentally ill man.

Some people (I'm not suggesting the people who've posted in this thread) enjoy that aspect of Brian's career though. the mental health problems are more important than the music to some...

I think you're very much suggesting the people on this thread!

I love the lyrics on Love You. Completely unpretentiousness and honest, not to mention funny. Do you think these are a product of mental illness? I hear them more as a product of a man's bizarre sense of humour which connects well with my own. I love this album because I relate to it. And regarding the bad singing, I can hear past that. The arrangements are great, easily up there with his best work. This is why people like the album, not because of some strange kudos in liking music which is a product of mental illness.

I really feel this is Brian's most personal statement, and everything I love about his music is here in spades. I first heard it aged 16, knowing nothing about it, and bringing no preconceptions with me. It was immediately up there with Friends, Surfer Girl and Smiley Smile as one of my favourite Beach Boys albums. I really hate this insinuation that people only like this album because it's cool to say you like it.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 01, 2013, 04:24:09 AM
I wasn't holding Love You up to Pet Sounds, or comparing them in any way. With that type of comprehension, I'm surprised you are an author.

I am. Love You is at least as good as Pet Sounds, and maybe better than it.

Andrew, all the times you've disagreed with me and peed me off have just evaporated into the ethos. Top man!

Thanks -- I hope you realise that from my side at least, no disagreements I've had on this board have been personal. They've all just been disagreements.

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I love the lyrics on Love You. Completely unpretentiousness and honest, not to mention funny. Do you think these are a product of mental illness? I hear them more as a product of a man's bizarre sense of humour which connects well with my own. I love this album because I relate to it. And regarding the bad singing, I can hear past that. The arrangements are great, easily up there with his best work. This is why people like the album, not because of some strange kudos in liking music which is a product of mental illness.

I really feel this is Brian's most personal statement, and everything I love about his music is here in spades. I first heard it aged 16, knowing nothing about it, and bringing no preconceptions with me. It was immediately up there with Friends, Surfer Girl and Smiley Smile as one of my favourite Beach Boys albums. I really hate this insinuation that people only like this album because it's cool to say you like it.

Absolutely agreed with all of this (except the Surfer Girl bit -- I think that's a much weaker album than the other ones). I also don't think the singing is 'bad' -- it's technically bad, certainly, but it communicates emotion far better than a lot of technically better singing does.

The album isn't "a product of mental illness" -- it's a product of *an artist who happened to be living with a mental illness*. Yes, it wouldn't be the same if Brian had been mentally better, but likewise none of his music would have been the same if he'd been able to hear in both ears -- is Pet Sounds "a product of physical disability"?

Just having a mental illness doesn't make one magically able to make music of the quality of Love You -- I worked for several years on a psychiatric ward, and several of the people on that ward fancied themselves musicians, so I can tell you that from personal experience. Conversely, having a mental illness doesn't suddenly remove all talent, intelligence and humour from someone who has those things when they're well.

The narrative that mental illness is in some way romantic or confers mystical talent upon those who have it is definitely a pernicious one that needs to be fought. But just as pernicious is the opposite myth -- that because someone has bipolar disorder, or schizophrenia, or whatever, they instantly become unable to do anything or make any rational decision. People with mental illnesses can be capable of creating great art -- even great art that stems from their illness. Or should we dismiss Van Gogh and William Blake, too?

No, Love You wouldn't be the same album if Brian Wilson hadn't been suffering from a mental illness at the time -- but that's *a good thing*. Not a good thing that he was ill, but a good thing that while ill he was able to create great art. Personally, I think we need more art from people with mental illnesses -- they're marginalised, and their opinions and thoughts more or less ignored or mocked, in this society. One could make a very, *very* good argument that those who dismiss this album are contributing to the ongoing oppression of mentally ill people in our society, and thus making the world a much worse place.

Or maybe they just don't like it, and maybe those of us who like the album just like it for what it is.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on February 01, 2013, 05:02:04 AM
Well Brian's problems go back many years before Love You or 15 Big Ones, but for me it's that Brian doesn't seem to be ready quite yet. When I hear the early 1977 recordings I feel a whole different vibe. It's nothing against the mentally ill at all, I want to make that clear. It's that I have issues with Landy and him putting Brian on display the way he did. Many of the songs are just simply not to my taste, but I also feel Brian was not put in the best light.

My outlook is this, Brian had a higher profile in 1976 than for a long time, but I look at it as him no longer having the option to say no. I feel when Brian worked before Landy it was because he wanted to, from 1976 on it's just so hard to know. I think the best music Brian has done since then was inspired from his inner artist, Love You just feels like it has a tossed off quality to it. I feel Brian was saying, "I will work, but I'm not going to take the time I did before". Kind of passive aggressive. Some of the real Brian does come out, but I feel he could do better, and a lot of his 1976 vault recordings are better. "You've Lost That Loving Feeling" for one shows he could still sing and produce with a lot of flair. That's largely missing here.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 01, 2013, 05:23:10 AM
Why does the "real Brian" need to be about polished productions. To me that is just one of the strings to his bow. Love You sounds perfect to me. How do you know this wasn't the sound he wanted? Maybe you just expect one thing from Brian. To me, his music has never really been about the production, it's about the chords, melody and arrangements, the inner workings, if you like. Love You is so full of what makes him a great and unique musician.

Interesting you use the term "the real Brian" I hear the real Brian all over Love You. Are we both projecting what we think "the real Brian" is onto him. The poor guy's had a lifetime of that.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Nicko1234 on February 01, 2013, 06:44:11 AM

No, Love You wouldn't be the same album if Brian Wilson hadn't been suffering from a mental illness at the time -- but that's *a good thing*. Not a good thing that he was ill, but a good thing that while ill he was able to create great art. Personally, I think we need more art from people with mental illnesses -- they're marginalised, and their opinions and thoughts more or less ignored or mocked, in this society. One could make a very, *very* good argument that those who dismiss this album are contributing to the ongoing oppression of mentally ill people in our society, and thus making the world a much worse place.

Or maybe they just don't like it, and maybe those of us who like the album just like it for what it is.

There are problems with that theory imo (and Mike Eder has touched on one at least).

The first is that many of the lyrics are awful. How would people react if Mike had written the, 'We'll make sweet lovin'...' lines for example? 'Won't it be groovy?', 'If Mars had life on it', 'Now we can fly...' There really are too many awful lines to mention them all individually. Some of the vocals are abysmal too (eg. Love is a Woman). So it's not like people are saying, 'It's all great but because Brian was nuts I won't listen to it.' Some people are saying, 'Because of Brian's mental health problems some aspects of it are very poor and it sounds half-finished (appropriately because Brian didn't finish it). That certainly isn't an example of prejudice towards the mentally ill.

Another issue, As Mike Eder has said, is that Brian wasn't working with the band entirely through choice at this point. Bruce has stated that Brian would just use the synth to get things over with as quickly as possible at this point and the fact that Carl had to finish it speaks for the fact that Brian wasn't loving it too much in the studio.

Another thing (and this may only be me who feels it) is that The Beach Boys as a group were clearly not healthy by 1977. They wouldn't have released the album if they had been (as Mike and Al both gave Brian heat for it). So Love You can't be judged as a Brian Wilson solo album or as a series of demos because it is a Beach Boys album. One that was unsellable despite Jimmy Saville giving extended airplay to Roller Skating Child (plus Lazy Lizzie and Hey Little Tomboy) on Radio 1 I believe.

One final point about the mental health issue. Til I Die was clearly written and recorded by a guy wrestling with his demons but this was exceptional lyrically, musically and vocally. Plus Brian obviously wanted (or needed) to record it. That's an example of mental illness helping to inspire somebody to great art.

Love is a Woman, to pick an example, is dire vocally and lyrically. This is an example of a great musical talent being willing to release something substandard due to his mental health issues. A very different thing.





Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on February 01, 2013, 06:56:32 AM

No, Love You wouldn't be the same album if Brian Wilson hadn't been suffering from a mental illness at the time -- but that's *a good thing*. Not a good thing that he was ill, but a good thing that while ill he was able to create great art. Personally, I think we need more art from people with mental illnesses -- they're marginalised, and their opinions and thoughts more or less ignored or mocked, in this society. One could make a very, *very* good argument that those who dismiss this album are contributing to the ongoing oppression of mentally ill people in our society, and thus making the world a much worse place.

Or maybe they just don't like it, and maybe those of us who like the album just like it for what it is.

There are problems with that theory imo (and Mike Eder has touched on one at least).

The first is that many of the lyrics are awful. How would people react if Mike had written the, 'We'll make sweet lovin'...' lines for example? 'Won't it be groovy?', 'If Mars had life on it', 'Now we can fly...' There really are too many awful lines to mention them all individually. Some of the vocals are abysmal too (eg. Love is a Woman). So it's not like people are saying, 'It's all great but because Brian was nuts I won't listen to it.' Some people are saying, 'Because of Brian's mental health problems some aspects of it are very poor and it sounds half-finished (appropriately because Brian didn't finish it). That certainly isn't an example of prejudice towards the mentally ill.

Another issue, As Mike Eder has said, is that Brian wasn't working with the band entirely through choice at this point. Bruce has stated that Brian would just use the synth to get things over with as quickly as possible at this point and the fact that Carl had to finish it speaks for the fact that Brian wasn't loving it too much in the studio.

Another thing (and this may only be me who feels it) is that The Beach Boys as a group were clearly not healthy by 1977. They wouldn't have released the album if they had been (as Mike and Al both gave Brian heat for it). So Love You can't be judged as a Brian Wilson solo album or as a series of demos because it is a Beach Boys album. One that was unsellable despite Jimmy Saville giving extended airplay to Roller Skating Child (plus Lazy Lizzie and Hey Little Tomboy) on Radio 1 I believe.


Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder what it was Sir Jimmy liked about those songs.  ;) ;)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 01, 2013, 07:09:26 AM

No, Love You wouldn't be the same album if Brian Wilson hadn't been suffering from a mental illness at the time -- but that's *a good thing*. Not a good thing that he was ill, but a good thing that while ill he was able to create great art. Personally, I think we need more art from people with mental illnesses -- they're marginalised, and their opinions and thoughts more or less ignored or mocked, in this society. One could make a very, *very* good argument that those who dismiss this album are contributing to the ongoing oppression of mentally ill people in our society, and thus making the world a much worse place.

Or maybe they just don't like it, and maybe those of us who like the album just like it for what it is.

There are problems with that theory imo (and Mike Eder has touched on one at least).

The first is that many of the lyrics are awful. How would people react if Mike had written the, 'We'll make sweet lovin'...' lines for example? 'Won't it be groovy?', 'If Mars had life on it', 'Now we can fly...' There really are too many awful lines to mention them all individually. Some of the vocals are abysmal too (eg. Love is a Woman). So it's not like people are saying, 'It's all great but because Brian was nuts I won't listen to it.' Some people are saying, 'Because of Brian's mental health problems some aspects of it are very poor and it sounds half-finished (appropriately because Brian didn't finish it). That certainly isn't an example of prejudice towards the mentally ill.

Another issue, As Mike Eder has said, is that Brian wasn't working with the band entirely through choice at this point. Bruce has stated that Brian would just use the synth to get things over with as quickly as possible at this point and the fact that Carl had to finish it speaks for the fact that Brian wasn't loving it too much in the studio.

Another thing (and this may only be me who feels it) is that The Beach Boys as a group were clearly not healthy by 1977. They wouldn't have released the album if they had been (as Mike and Al both gave Brian heat for it). So Love You can't be judged as a Brian Wilson solo album or as a series of demos because it is a Beach Boys album. One that was unsellable despite Jimmy Saville giving extended airplay to Roller Skating Child (plus Lazy Lizzie and Hey Little Tomboy) on Radio 1 I believe.

One final point about the mental health issue. Til I Die was clearly written and recorded by a guy wrestling with his demons but this was exceptional lyrically, musically and vocally. Plus Brian obviously wanted (or needed) to record it. That's an example of mental illness helping to inspire somebody to great art.

Love is a Woman, to pick an example, is dire vocally and lyrically. This is an example of a great musical talent being willing to release something substandard due to his mental health issues. A very different thing.





All just your opinion. Please don't state these as fact.

Edit, you did put imo, the ultimate disclaimer! apologies. Still don't agree though.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: MBE on February 01, 2013, 07:27:13 AM

No, Love You wouldn't be the same album if Brian Wilson hadn't been suffering from a mental illness at the time -- but that's *a good thing*. Not a good thing that he was ill, but a good thing that while ill he was able to create great art. Personally, I think we need more art from people with mental illnesses -- they're marginalised, and their opinions and thoughts more or less ignored or mocked, in this society. One could make a very, *very* good argument that those who dismiss this album are contributing to the ongoing oppression of mentally ill people in our society, and thus making the world a much worse place.

Or maybe they just don't like it, and maybe those of us who like the album just like it for what it is.

There are problems with that theory imo (and Mike Eder has touched on one at least).

The first is that many of the lyrics are awful. How would people react if Mike had written the, 'We'll make sweet lovin'...' lines for example? 'Won't it be groovy?', 'If Mars had life on it', 'Now we can fly...' There really are too many awful lines to mention them all individually. Some of the vocals are abysmal too (eg. Love is a Woman). So it's not like people are saying, 'It's all great but because Brian was nuts I won't listen to it.' Some people are saying, 'Because of Brian's mental health problems some aspects of it are very poor and it sounds half-finished (appropriately because Brian didn't finish it). That certainly isn't an example of prejudice towards the mentally ill.

Another issue, As Mike Eder has said, is that Brian wasn't working with the band entirely through choice at this point. Bruce has stated that Brian would just use the synth to get things over with as quickly as possible at this point and the fact that Carl had to finish it speaks for the fact that Brian wasn't loving it too much in the studio.

Another thing (and this may only be me who feels it) is that The Beach Boys as a group were clearly not healthy by 1977. They wouldn't have released the album if they had been (as Mike and Al both gave Brian heat for it). So Love You can't be judged as a Brian Wilson solo album or as a series of demos because it is a Beach Boys album. One that was unsellable despite Jimmy Saville giving extended airplay to Roller Skating Child (plus Lazy Lizzie and Hey Little Tomboy) on Radio 1 I believe.

One final point about the mental health issue. Til I Die was clearly written and recorded by a guy wrestling with his demons but this was exceptional lyrically, musically and vocally. Plus Brian obviously wanted (or needed) to record it. That's an example of mental illness helping to inspire somebody to great art.

Love is a Woman, to pick an example, is dire vocally and lyrically. This is an example of a great musical talent being willing to release something substandard due to his mental health issues. A very different thing.




You got it! That's what I get from it 100 percent. I don't project "the real Brian" but I do know that his work of 1976 didn't happen as organically as before. Landy forced some of these sessions, there's really no question about that if you talk to people who were around then. Subjectively, I don't think Brian wrote, sang, or produced an exceptional batch of unassailable classics. Some great moments mixed in, but not a work I enjoy as a whole.  I don't need polish, I just feel basic quality is lacking.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 07:55:26 AM
Frankly my book is for people living in the real world. 

Sure, man. Everyone needs toilet paper in the real world. Frankly.
Frankly , that was uncalled for. You seriously need to stop attacking people that don't agree with you. I like you and I hate to say this but this is your final warning.

And for the record , I helped work on Mike's book and it happens to be excellent. There was no reason for you to say what you said as you have not read it other than to try to upset him. Not cool.

He insulted me by saying his book was for those people who are in "the real world", as if I am not. I'm not laying down and taking that from anyone. Period.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 07:57:15 AM
Some people certainly do see themselves as tough guys from behind their keyboards

I'm no different in real life, funny man!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 01, 2013, 07:59:57 AM
[The first is that many of the lyrics are awful. How would people react if Mike had written the, 'We'll make sweet lovin'...' lines for example? 'Won't it be groovy?', 'If Mars had life on it', 'Now we can fly...' There really are too many awful lines to mention them all individually. Some of the vocals are abysmal too (eg. Love is a Woman). So it's not like people are saying, 'It's all great but because Brian was nuts I won't listen to it.' Some people are saying, 'Because of Brian's mental health problems some aspects of it are very poor and it sounds half-finished (appropriately because Brian didn't finish it). That certainly isn't an example of prejudice towards the mentally ill.

Well, firstly, my whole point was that to say that was the motive behind people disliking it would be *exactly as absurd and offensive a caricature* as the one that says the people who do like it are glorifying mental illness. That said:

I think people would react to those lyrics (at least one of which, "Now we can fly...", *is* a Mike line) the same way they react to "I'm gonna love you every single night because I think that you're doggone outtasight", "When girls get mad at boys and go, many times they're just putting on a show", "crazy woman, can't you see that I'm giving to you, can you dig me?"  and many, many more examples of simplistic, trite lyrics with slightly outdated slang throughout the band's career. If you're listening to the Beach Boys for the lyrics, with very few exceptions you're listening for the wrong reasons.

And personally I find a lyric like The Night Was So Young or Airplane -- or even Honkin' Down The Highway or Mona -- far more effective than the pseudo-mystical hogwash that made up most of the lyrics from Surf's Up through Holland. I love those albums, but I think on every level, something like "'Cause it's a silent night in the sea, and if you're cosmically conscious you'll see / Why she's a princess incarnate to me, daughter of Neptune the ruler of the sea" is worse than "The night was so young, and everything still/the moon shining bright on my windowsill/I think of her lips, it chills me inside/And then I think why does she have to hide?". The second actually communicates an actual human emotion, using concrete words, and manages to have a rhyme scheme that doesn't require rhyming a word with both itself and a homonym. On every level of craft and art, the latter is simply better than the former.

Your other points amount to "Brian wasn't happy at the time" (and? We're talking about the work, not its creator -- though the fact that Brian has several times stated that the album is his favourite suggests he thinks highly of it now. Brian wasn't happy when he wrote Til I Die either) "the other band members weren't happy with it" (and I should trust Mike Love's aesthetic judgement over my own because?) and "it wasn't commercial" (which is no criterion by which to judge art).


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 08:03:45 AM
That's a very good post, Andrew.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 01, 2013, 08:36:27 AM
Good point about the lyrics, they were the most honest ones since Pet Sounds. I think the BBs were the best when being themselves.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 01, 2013, 09:14:31 AM
If you're listening to the Beach Boys for the lyrics, with very few exceptions you're listening for the wrong reasons.

Absolutely, although I find the Love You lyrics the best of the bunch, along with things like Busy Doin Nothing and I'd Love Just Once To See You.

Inspirational.



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 09:21:20 AM
If you're listening to the Beach Boys for the lyrics, with very few exceptions you're listening for the wrong reasons.

Absolutely, although I find the Love You lyrics the best of the bunch, along with things like Busy Doin Nothing and I'd Love Just Once To See You.

Inspirational.



How about Games Two Can Play? That one really knocks me out. Still I Dream Of It, too.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 01, 2013, 09:22:33 AM
If you're listening to the Beach Boys for the lyrics, with very few exceptions you're listening for the wrong reasons.

Absolutely, although I find the Love You lyrics the best of the bunch, along with things like Busy Doin Nothing and I'd Love Just Once To See You.

Inspirational.



How about Games Two Can Play? That one really knocks me out. Still I Dream Of It, too.

Not a fan of Games Two Can Play, but Still I Dream Of It may be the best thing Brian ever wrote.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 01, 2013, 09:33:52 AM
If you're listening to the Beach Boys for the lyrics, with very few exceptions you're listening for the wrong reasons.

Absolutely, although I find the Love You lyrics the best of the bunch, along with things like Busy Doin Nothing and I'd Love Just Once To See You.

Inspirational.



How about Games Two Can Play? That one really knocks me out. Still I Dream Of It, too.
two of my favorite songs. And vocals, as well.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Nicko1234 on February 01, 2013, 10:21:16 AM


Your other points amount to "Brian wasn't happy at the time" (and? We're talking about the work, not its creator -- though the fact that Brian has several times stated that the album is his favourite suggests he thinks highly of it now. Brian wasn't happy when he wrote Til I Die either) "the other band members weren't happy with it" (and I should trust Mike Love's aesthetic judgement over my own because?) and "it wasn't commercial" (which is no criterion by which to judge art).

No. Just, no.

My point as clearly stated was that because Brian was ill at the time he was content to release half-finished stuff. We know that Carl had to complete things (unless my memory is playing tricks and I'm happy to be corrected) which proves that. His poor mental health did then contribute to the songs being weaker than they should have been.

I think it's very obvious that if the Beach Boys had been in a healthy state they wouldn't have been releasing stuff like Love You. Nobody should trust Mike Love's judgment above their own but he and Al both knew the album wasn't up to scratch (from their perspective) and yet still allowed it to be released. Brian had lost interest by that point. That doesn't necessarily make it good or bad but it does show that the group were in a mess at the time. As I said, it may be only me who cares about that which is fair enough.

It's all about opinions though so not sure why earlier posters got heated anyway...


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Nicko1234 on February 01, 2013, 10:23:51 AM


I'm no different in real life, funny man!

No need for the bravado. You were pulled up for insulting someone just because they disagreed with your opinion. To boast that you are always like that doesn't do you any favours...


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 01, 2013, 10:28:44 AM


I'm no different in real life, funny man!

No need for the bravado. You were pulled up for insulting someone just because they disagreed with your opinion. To boast that you are always like that doesn't do you any favours...

Actually, I, Spaceman insulted Mike's book right after Mike said called him an unpleasant person.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 10:29:43 AM


Your other points amount to "Brian wasn't happy at the time" (and? We're talking about the work, not its creator -- though the fact that Brian has several times stated that the album is his favourite suggests he thinks highly of it now. Brian wasn't happy when he wrote Til I Die either) "the other band members weren't happy with it" (and I should trust Mike Love's aesthetic judgement over my own because?) and "it wasn't commercial" (which is no criterion by which to judge art).

No. Just, no.

My point as clearly stated was that because Brian was ill at the time he was content to release half-finished stuff. We know that Carl had to complete things (unless my memory is playing tricks and I'm happy to be corrected) which proves that. His poor mental health did then contribute to the songs being weaker than they should have been.

I think it's very obvious that if the Beach Boys had been in a healthy state they wouldn't have been releasing stuff like Love You. Nobody should trust Mike Love's judgment above their own but he and Al both knew the album wasn't up to scratch (from their perspective) and yet still allowed it to be released. Brian had lost interest by that point. That doesn't necessarily make it good or bad but it does show that the group were in a mess at the time. As I said, it may be only me who cares about that which is fair enough.

It's all about opinions though so not sure why earlier posters got heated anyway...

Brian was releasing half-finished stuff by his own established standards since Smiley Smile. Is that a bad album as well? This Whole World sounds like a brilliant trailer for a song, rather than a finished composition.
It is very obvious that if The Beach Boys were in a healthy state, Brian would have produced every Beach Boys album, and wrote 90% of them, as per the early works that are the group's legacy. Therefore, no 20/20, Unflower, Surf's Up, etc. Mike and Al may not have thought Love You was finished, but their idea of a finished album was the abysmal M.I.U. A rough, "half-finished" work by Brian has about a billion times the inspiration of a finished Mike-Al album of reworked Christmas songs.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 10:30:53 AM


I'm no different in real life, funny man!

No need for the bravado. You were pulled up for insulting someone just because they disagreed with your opinion. To boast that you are always like that doesn't do you any favours...

You're not the moderator, leave it to Billy, Jason and Smile-Holland and stay out of it. No bravado or boasting, whatsoever.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 01, 2013, 12:05:02 PM
Okay, at this point it is done. No further discussion aside from the main topic. Things were said, feathers were ruffled, but it ends here.

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Brian was releasing half-finished stuff by his own established standards since Smiley Smile. Is that a bad album as well? This Whole World sounds like a brilliant trailer for a song, rather than a finished composition.
It is very obvious that if The Beach Boys were in a healthy state, Brian would have produced every Beach Boys album, and wrote 90% of them, as per the early works that are the group's legacy. Therefore, no 20/20, Unflower, Surf's Up, etc.

A world without 20/20 thru Holland is a world I wouldn't want to live in. I must disagree with your assessment of This Whole World, as IMHO the melodic progression is incredible, and in such a short time. The song is perfect as is. One thing that must be kept in mind is the fact that post-Smile, Brian subscribed to the 'less is more' theory, and by his own admission felt that things didn't have to be a giant production in order to be artistic. One way of looking at it is up until Smile, Brian wanted to out-do Spector and everybody else, and was trying to beat them at their own game (and succeeded). Afterwards, instead of trying to beat out the Beatles and Spector, he just wanted to be Brian Wilson musically.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 01, 2013, 01:05:09 PM
If you're listening to the Beach Boys for the lyrics, with very few exceptions you're listening for the wrong reasons.

Absolutely, although I find the Love You lyrics the best of the bunch, along with things like Busy Doin Nothing and I'd Love Just Once To See You.

Inspirational.



How about Games Two Can Play? That one really knocks me out. Still I Dream Of It, too.

Yep, love the lyrics / melody / chords to Games. Another oft overlooked classic.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Mike's Beard on February 01, 2013, 01:36:11 PM
Some of Love You works for me, a big chunk of it doesn't. Bad off key vocals, abysmal lyrics and overuse of the farty synth is one thing but Love You's biggest crime is it suffers from too much weak songwriting.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: phirnis on February 01, 2013, 02:29:27 PM
Love You's lyrics never bothered me at all. When I was a kid in the 1980s the music you'd most likely hear on the airwaves in West Germany was a thing called Neue Deutsche Welle (German New Wave), which was essentially a combination of very direct, sometimes awkward lyrics (occasionally bordering on nursery rhyme) and the fashionable synthesizer sounds of the time. So for me something like "Mona", "Let's Put Our Hearts Together", or even "Solar System" feels quite natural, there's really nothing wrong about it. The album is a bit quirky and a little bit bizarre, yes, and all the better for it as far as I'm concerned. I always felt writing and arranging in that particular style is a legitimate way of expressing oneself through pop music.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Alan Smith on February 01, 2013, 02:42:09 PM
As an naive early teen, with scant understanding/realisation of the complexity of Brian and the BB's personal and political situations, and the complexity and breadth of their musical output, I fell for Love You on first spin, being able to take it at face value and unsubject to the influence of over-analysis or catalog comparison.

My favourite from the canon, and to me, in the same vein as SUSA, ASL, Party and Smiley


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 03:20:52 PM
Okay, at this point it is done. No further discussion aside from the main topic. Things were said, feathers were ruffled, but it ends here.

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Brian was releasing half-finished stuff by his own established standards since Smiley Smile. Is that a bad album as well? This Whole World sounds like a brilliant trailer for a song, rather than a finished composition.
It is very obvious that if The Beach Boys were in a healthy state, Brian would have produced every Beach Boys album, and wrote 90% of them, as per the early works that are the group's legacy. Therefore, no 20/20, Unflower, Surf's Up, etc.

A world without 20/20 thru Holland is a world I wouldn't want to live in. I must disagree with your assessment of This Whole World, as IMHO the melodic progression is incredible, and in such a short time. The song is perfect as is. One thing that must be kept in mind is the fact that post-Smile, Brian subscribed to the 'less is more' theory, and by his own admission felt that things didn't have to be a giant production in order to be artistic. One way of looking at it is up until Smile, Brian wanted to out-do Spector and everybody else, and was trying to beat them at their own game (and succeeded). Afterwards, instead of trying to beat out the Beatles and Spector, he just wanted to be Brian Wilson musically.

I agree that the progression of This Whole World is incredible. But the structure of the song seems to be unresolved, and seems to end in progress. Which is great. I really like a lot of those era of Beach Boys albums, myself (tho I like Smiley, Wild Honey and Friends more). But I would love if we could get a glimpse of a world where Brian didn't abdicate.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: I. Spaceman on February 01, 2013, 03:22:19 PM
Some of Love You works for me, a big chunk of it doesn't. Bad off key vocals, abysmal lyrics and overuse of the farty synth is one thing but Love You's biggest crime is it suffers from too much weak songwriting.

The lyrics are great, as is the synth, and the songwriting is pure wizardo. The vocals are straight from the heart.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 01, 2013, 07:51:22 PM
Bad off key vocals, abysmal lyrics and overuse of the farty synth is one thing but Love You's biggest crime is it suffers from too much weak songwriting.

I'll grant you the off key vocals, some of the lyrics are abysmal, I don't necessarily think the synth was overused, but ... I have to respectfully disagree with you on the songwriting. Love You contains some of Brian's most creative, melodic, catchy, complex, fun, and Brian-ish (which is good) songs OF HIS ENTIRE CAREER! Just my opinion, I respect yours.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 01, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: SMiLE-addict on February 01, 2013, 10:19:27 PM
The first is that many of the lyrics are awful. How would people react if Mike had written the, 'We'll make sweet lovin'...' lines for example? 'Won't it be groovy?', 'If Mars had life on it', 'Now we can fly...' There really are too many awful lines to mention them all individually.
I don't get that impression at all. The impression I get is that the lyrics are deliberately goofy and amateur. It doesn't sound to me like he wrote bad lyrics because he was losing it, it sounds like he purposely wrote "bad" lyrics basically as a goof - like it's supposed to be a comedy album. If his mental illness had an effect on his writing here, it was that he couldn't think of serious lyrics anymore, so instead he chose to write about really mundane, everyday stuff in as goofy a way as possible. Imagine the guys in "The End" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_(1978_film)) writing some music, and this is the album they would create.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Nicko1234 on February 02, 2013, 01:43:11 AM

I don't get that impression at all. The impression I get is that the lyrics are deliberately goofy and amateur. It doesn't sound to me like he wrote bad lyrics because he was losing it, it sounds like he purposely wrote "bad" lyrics basically as a goof - like it's supposed to be a comedy album. If his mental illness had an effect on his writing here, it was that he couldn't think of serious lyrics anymore, so instead he chose to write about really mundane, everyday stuff in as goofy a way as possible. Imagine the guys in "The End" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_(1978_film)) writing some music, and this is the album they would create.

Several of the songs were written as therapy for Brian though weren't they? Whether Landy contributed to the lyrics is still open to debate.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Please delete my account on February 02, 2013, 01:43:27 AM
Tricky to rank such a consistent album, but top spot and bottom spot are set in stone.

Most good to least good:

The Night Was So Young
Mona
I Want To Pick You Up
Good Time (miss the "Hey baby, turn up the radio" bit from the Spring version. Prefer the Spring versions of both this and "Had To Phone Ya")
I'll Bet He's Nice
Solar System
Johnny Carson
Airplane
Honkin' Down the Highway
Let Us Go On This Way
Let's Put Her Hearts Together
Ding Dang
Roller Skating Child
Love Is A Woman (It's not as bad as I once thought, but still bottom.)

Will these threads eventually be merged into the individual albums threads in the sub-forums?


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: phirnis on February 02, 2013, 03:08:26 AM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.

Sadly, I don't think we're ever going to hear another record quite like that. The man did one truly eccentric song on last year's album ("The Private Life of Bill and Sue") and most hardcore fans seemed to despise it.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on February 02, 2013, 04:59:34 AM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.

Sadly, I don't think we're ever going to hear another record quite like that. The man did one truly eccentric song on last year's album ("The Private Life of Bill and Sue") and most hardcore fans seemed to despise it.

I like that song!
Always stuck in my head.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 02, 2013, 05:34:56 AM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.

Sadly, I don't think we're ever going to hear another record quite like that. The man did one truly eccentric song on last year's album ("The Private Life of Bill and Sue") and most hardcore fans seemed to despise it.

And I thought that was the best thing on the album.
Probably the closest we've come since Love You is actually That Lucky Old Sun. Utterly different in production values from Love You, of course, but clearly from the same creative place.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: phirnis on February 02, 2013, 06:52:09 AM
I love it too, in my opinion it's pretty close to the spirit of Love You and songs such as "Busy Doin' Nothin'" or "Games Two Can Play". Still, most listeners seemed to agree it's a "lightweight" song or even cringe-inducing. At this point I feel BW is mostly expected to write stuff akin to the common narrative of his personal "rise, fall, and redemption", complete with pleasant but unsurprising faux-Pet Sounds instrumentation. That's all perfectly fine but if I had to pick one song off of TWGMTR that really stuck with me it'd probably be "The Private Life" (either that one or "Pacific Coast Highway", admittedly).


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 02, 2013, 06:55:59 AM
I love it too, in my opinion it's pretty close to the spirit of Love You and songs such as "Busy Doin' Nothin'" or "Games Two Can Play". Still, most listeners seemed to agree it's a "lightweight" song or even cringe-inducing. At this point I feel BW is mostly expected to write stuff akin to the common narrative of his personal "rise, fall, and redemption", complete with pleasant but unsurprising faux-Pet Sounds instrumentation. That's all perfectly fine but if I had to pick one song off of TWGMTR that really stuck with me it'd probably be "The Private Life" (either that one or "Pacific Coast Highway", admittedly).

The ones that stand out to me -- the ones that I actually find myself actively choosing to listen to, rather than just saying "Oh, that's quite nice" or "yuk, skip it" when I hear them -- are Bill & Sue, Shelter, Isn't It Time and (for Al's vocal) From There To Back Again, most of which are considered the 'lightweight' ones. I'd take one Bill & Sue over a million Summer's Gones any day.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on February 02, 2013, 08:29:22 AM
I'd take one Bill & Sue over a million Summer's Gones any day.

Really? That's surprising.

I LIKE "The Private Life Of Bill And Sue", but that's about it. When I listen to it, I can't get past the feeling that I've heard it many times before, which I have. It's almost a complete re-write of "South American".

I don't see any connection with "TPLOBAS" and The Beach Boys Love You. The best part of the song, IMO, is the chorus, written not by Brian Wilson but Joe Thomas. Brian's contributions, the verses and lyrics, are disappointing. The lyrics are confounding; they don't go anywhere, unlike Love You's lyrics which touch you, IN SOME WAY! And Brian's melody in the verses is nothing special, it's something any average songwriter could come up with, whereas Love You's songs are approaching genius.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 02, 2013, 09:10:01 AM
I never managed to get past the autotune on the new album, despite giving it a real good go. So I get people who don't like Love You solely because of what it sounds like. Please no one give me grief for not liking the new album. I suffered genuine guilt over it!


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Daniel on February 02, 2013, 11:28:34 AM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.

Just read this quote from Brian in this months Uncut magazine.....

"I wanna record some of the songs on The Beach Boys Love You and do them onstage, in my solo career - if I ever do something again."


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: phirnis on February 02, 2013, 11:37:21 AM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.

Just read this quote from Brian in this months Uncut magazine.....

"I wanna record some of the songs on The Beach Boys Love You and do them onstage, in my solo career - if I ever do something again."

 :o

Did he really say that? I'm impressed. Good to know he still seems to acknowledge how good this album is.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 02, 2013, 12:34:10 PM
I never managed to get past the autotune on the new album, despite giving it a real good go. So I get people who don't like Love You solely because of what it sounds like. Please no one give me grief for not liking the new album. I suffered genuine guilt over it!

Nothing to be guilty about. The album has a horrible inhuman glossiness to it that took me a long time to be able to listen past, and which still spoils it for me. You shouldn't be feel guilty for wanting to hear vocals that sound like they're from humans.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Myk Luhv on February 02, 2013, 12:34:15 PM
Yeah, this album seems to have been mentioned by Brian a fair bit in recent interviews, and far more consistently than normal when asked about favourite BBs albums/songs, which is pretty awesome.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 02, 2013, 12:34:34 PM
Whoa... you'd think something like that would've been mentioned here already. What else was in the interview?


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on February 02, 2013, 12:43:03 PM
I personally wish Brian would do an album like this today. Just him and a synth, singing about whatever.

Just read this quote from Brian in this months Uncut magazine.....

"I wanna record some of the songs on The Beach Boys Love You and do them onstage, in my solo career - if I ever do something again."

Look out for the new board acronym - BWPLY.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Custom Machine on February 02, 2013, 04:04:50 PM
For me, so much of Love You comes close to greatness but falls short, often very short, as a result of coarse vocals, sloppy production, and inane lyrics.  But then again, many of those qualities are responsible for the endearing appeal of the album.

1.   Mona (By far my favorite Love You song, with a great lead vocal from Dennis)
2.   Johnny Carson
3.   The Night Was So Young
4.   Roller Skating Child  (Wish it woulda been called 'Roller Skating Beauty' or something like that)
5.   I'll Bet He's Nice
6.   Let Us Go On This Way
7.   I Want To Pick You Up
8.   Good Time (Spring version much better, and Brian's younger vocals are a reminder of how badly his voice had deteriorated)
9.   Airplane
10. Honkin' Down the Highway
11. Let's Put Her Hearts Together
12. Love Is A Woman
13. Solar System
14. Ding Dang






Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Daniel on February 02, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
Whoa... you'd think something like that would've been mentioned here already. What else was in the interview?

Took me by complete surprise too.

its not a true 'interview' as such.
its Brian and Mike (and on 4 occasions Bruce) giving very short comments on 10 photographs of the Boys from 62-12. Nothing else of note and no depth at all.

Brians complete comment on a photo taken round a glass table in Malibu, 2012 with Bruce, Mike Al and David is...

" I was a bit nervous to be around the guys after such a long time. I didnt mind when Mike went on without us, as I had my solo career. I wanna record some of the songs on The Beach Boys Love You and do them onstage, in my solo career - if I ever do something again."

Read into that what you will


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Jim V. on February 03, 2013, 09:47:40 PM
Whoa... you'd think something like that would've been mentioned here already. What else was in the interview?

Took me by complete surprise too.

its not a true 'interview' as such.
its Brian and Mike (and on 4 occasions Bruce) giving very short comments on 10 photographs of the Boys from 62-12. Nothing else of note and no depth at all.

Brians complete comment on a photo taken round a glass table in Malibu, 2012 with Bruce, Mike Al and David is...

" I was a bit nervous to be around the guys after such a long time. I didnt mind when Mike went on without us, as I had my solo career. I wanna record some of the songs on The Beach Boys Love You and do them onstage, in my solo career - if I ever do something again."

Read into that what you will

Is there any way somebody could scan this little piece and post it online. It honestly seems interesting to see what photos were chosen and to hear what the guys have to say.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Dudd on February 21, 2013, 06:59:31 AM
I said somewhere else that I didn't think much of the album. But after a couple of relistens I can say it's definitely grown on me. I'm still not terribly fond of the synth sound of the whole thing, but it's nothing terrible; still some awesome songs.

Meh:

14. I Wanna Pick You Up
13. Ding Dang.


Pretty good:

12. Airplane
11. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
10. Roller Skating Child
9. Honkin' Down The Highway
8. Solar System


Very good:

7. Good Time
6. The Night Was So Young
5. Let Us Go On This Way
4. I'll Bet He's Nice


Great:

3. Mona
2. Love Is A Woman -  Wonderfully stupid.
1. Johnny Carson - Can't get enough of that ending.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: joshferrell on February 21, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
I kind of think that "In the key of disney" kind of has a "love you"/"15 BO" type feel to it..


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Sunflowerpet on February 21, 2013, 10:44:07 AM
 1. I'll Bet He's Nice
 2. Mona
 3. Johnny Carson
 4. I Wanna Pick You Up
 5. Love Is A Woman
 6. Let Us Go On This Way
 7. Roller Skating Child
 8. Honkin' Down The Highway
 9. Solar System
10.The Night Was So Young
11.Good Time
12.Airplane
13.Let's Put Our Hearts Together
14.Ding Dang


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Catbirdman on March 08, 2013, 01:43:51 PM
Sorry to resurrect these older threads, but I haven't been around the board much lately and I do love lists so...

A+
The Night Was So Young
Airplane
Let Us Go on This Way

A
I Wanna Pick You Up
I'll Bet He's Nice
Honkin' Down the Highway
Roller Skating Child
Solar System

A-
Johnny Carson
Mona
Good Time

B+
Love is a Woman
Ding Dang
Let's Put Our Hearts Together


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Wah Wah Wah Ooooo on March 08, 2013, 05:19:40 PM
The Night Was So Young
I'll Bet He's Nice
Airplane
Johnny Carson
Solar System
Ding Dang
Honkin' Down The Highway
Let's Go On This Way
Mona
Roller Skating Child
I Wanna Pick You Up
Good Time
Love Is A Woman
Let's Put Our Hearts Together



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: joshferrell on March 19, 2013, 12:28:32 PM
One of my favorites
1.I'll bet he's nice (great arrangment)
2.The night was so young (Pretty song, reminds me of Burt Bacharach)
3.honkin down the highway (catchy tune cool bassline)
4.let's put our hearts together (Nice song)
5.I wanna pick you up (still a nice song)
6. ding dang (nice if not short)
7.good time (great song but out of place)
8.solar system (weird lyrics amazing synths)
9.johnny carson (not bad)
10.let us go on this way (Strong tune)
11.airplane (not bad)
12.mona (not bad either, although kind of repetitive)
13.roller skating child (Ok song, nice Synths)
14.Love is a woman (The only song I don't like on the whole album)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Summer_Days on April 15, 2013, 05:57:30 PM
What an album!

1. The Night Was So Young - Uh, pretty much a masterpiece. Utterly amazing and beautiful.
2. I'll Bet He's Nice - Wonderful interplay between the Wilson brothers, and just a great, great song all around
3. Let Us Go On This Way - Friggin' awesome. Are you pickin' up my sensory perception, Bri?
4. Mona - Love it. Nice descending melody and arrangement.
5. Roller Skating Child - Brings a big stupid grin to my face...every time. GREAT.
6. Solar System - Awfully good. Child-like wonder and I can more than dig it.
7. Ding Dang - Short n' sweet. Carl sings with such grit and passion in the background. The Beach Boys needed to do stuff like this more often.
8. Good Time - weird and wacky BW. That's why we love him.
9. Airplane - Nice. Love the "can't wait" end parts particularly.
10. Honkin' Down The Highway - Gosh darn this song rocks!
11. Johnny Carson - Shouldn't work - but it does. Brian....I want your brain. And no, I'm not a zombie.
12. Let's Put Our Hears Together - Quite good. That's all.
13. Love Is A Woman - Eh, good I suppose. Nice singing by Mike on his parts.
14. I Wanna Pick You Up - I like this song okay, but damn, I dunno what to do with it sometimes...

The Last GREAT Beach Boys album. Brian Wilson checks out, leaving something sweet under your pillow.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Gabo on September 24, 2013, 08:38:37 PM
Hard to rank this. I like every song on it.

1. Let's Put Our Hearts Together - Masterpiece of songcraft. I don't understand the criticism.
2. The Night Was So Young
3. I Wanna Pick You Up
4. I'll Bet He's Nice
5. Let Us Go On This Way
6. Good Time
7. Airplane
8. Mona
9. Roller Skating Child
10. Honkin' Down The Highway
11. Solar System
12. Love Is A Woman
13. Johnny Carson
14. Ding Dang
 


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: TimeToGetAlone on October 01, 2013, 12:04:54 PM
1. The Night Was So Young - 460.5 (14)
2. I'll Bet He's Nice - 444.5 (6)
3. Let Us Go On This Way - 391.5 (1)
4. Airplane - 339.5 (3)
5. Good Time - 334 (4)
6. Honkin' Down the Highway - 327.5 (1)
7. Roller Skating Child - 326.5 (4)
8. I Wanna Pick You Up - 305.5 (2)
9. Johnny Carson - 291.5 (2)
10. Mona - 272.5 (1)
11. Solar System - 248.5 (1)
12. Let's Put Our Hearts Together - 214.5 (1)
13. Ding Dang - 197 (1)
14. Love is a Woman - 151.5

My thoughts?  I would have Good Time a little higher and Honkin' Down the Highway a little lower.  Also, although you could seriously argue about the performance of Let's Put Our Hearts Together, the song itself is brilliant.  The Night Was So Young is a good top choice.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: bluesno1fann on March 25, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
From Worst to Best:

14: Love Is A Woman.
13: Roller Skating Child.
12: Let's Put Our Hearts Together.
11: Johnny Carson.
10: Let Us Go On This Way.
09: I Wanna Pick You Up.
08: The Night Was So Young.
07: Ding Dang.
06: Good Time.
05: Solar System.
04: Airplane.
03: Honkin' Down The Highway.
02: I'll Bet He's Nice.
01: Mona.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Orange Crate Art on August 12, 2014, 08:45:33 AM
I dig Love You!

1. The Night Was So Young
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. Honkin' Down The Highway
4. I'll Bet He's Nice
5. Good Time
6. Roller Skating Child
7. Airplane
8. Mona
9. Solar System
10. Johnny Carson
11. Love Is A Woman
12. I Wanna Pick You Up
13. Ding Dang
14. Let's Put Our Hearts Together


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: job on October 27, 2014, 04:18:39 PM
1. The Night Was So Young
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. Good Time
4. Solar System
5. I Wanna Pick You Up
6. Mona
7. I'll Bet He's Nice
8. Honkin Down The Highway
9. Roller Skating Child
10. Johnny Carson
11. Lets Put Our Hearts Together
12. Airplane
13. Love Is A Woman
14. Ding Dang


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: harrisonjon on March 25, 2015, 04:06:50 AM
These might be the best three tracks on any album ever made:

1. I'll Bet He's Nice
2. The Night Was So Young
3. I Wanna Pick You Up

The rest of the album ranges from great fun (Johnny Carson) to total car crash (Let's Put Our Hearts Together sounds like a SNL parody of two faded junkies)


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Rentatris on April 03, 2015, 12:50:18 PM
1. Ding Dang
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. Solar System
4. Good Time
5. I Wanna Pick You Up
6. Mona
7. Night Was So Young
8. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
9. Airplane
10. Roller Skating Child
11. Honkin Down The Highway
12. I'll Bet He's Nice
13. Johnny Carson
14. Love Is A Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: ForHerCryingSoul on April 03, 2015, 01:10:04 PM
1. Let Us Go On This Way - One of my favorite BB's song of all time.  Could go on forever explaining how good of an opener it is.
2. The Night Was So Young - Makes me sullen every time I hear it.  Very relate-able and lovely.
3. Johnny Carson - Good concept and production.
4. Roller Skating Child - Moog, vocals, including backing, are great.
5. Let's Put Our Hearts Together - Love the Moog and production.  I like Brian's gruff vocals here.
6. Honkin' Down the Highway - Love the bass-line and production.
7. Airplane - Relaxing, classic, banal, lyrics IMO.
8. I'll Bet He's Nice - It's very relaxing.
9. Solar System - Wretched vocals, in a heartwarming way.
10. Ding Dang - Too short!!!   :(
11. I Wanna Pick You Up - Nice, but really slows the album down.
12. Mona - Just in my opinion, boring.
13. Good Time - Doesn't fit sonically IMO.
14. Love is a Woman - IMO everything about this song is sloppy and rushed.


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: CroatianSensation on October 06, 2015, 09:22:06 PM
This and Sunflower are my favorite Beach Boys albums, but this edges Sunflower due to the fact its Brian Wilsons charm, emotional significance and the use of synths that makes me love this album
1. The Night Was So Young 10/10 Favorite beach boys song of all time. One of the bests
2. I Bet He's Nice 10/10 Synths and harmonies are on point
3. Let's Put Our Hearts Together 9/10 Cute and emotional song, that even I feel. too much for me to handle
4. Roller Skating Child 8.5/10 Dope
5. Airplane 8.5/10 Love this song
6. Let Us Go on This Way 8/10 Love Carl's scream!
7. Johnny Carson 8/10 Love this song
8. Ding Dang 8/10 Love the Synths and the harmonies
9. Good Time 7.5/10 Good song but doesn't fit in the album
10. I Wanna Pick You Up 7/10 Love the acapella at the end of the song
11. Solar System 7/10 love the middle eight and ending.
12. Honkin Down the Highway 6.5/10 its ok
13. Mona 6/10 Its  alright song
14. Love is A Women 6/10 meh, least favorite


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: jiggy22 on March 23, 2016, 08:48:50 AM
Amazing:
Let Us Go On This Way
Johnny Carson
Good Time
Ding Dang
Solar System
The Night Was So Young
I'll Bet He's Nice
I Wanna Pick You Up
Airplane

Good:
Roller Skating Child
Mona
Honkin' Down the Highway
Let's Put Our Hearts Together
Love is a Woman

Poor:
I got nothing!



Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered on March 27, 2016, 04:18:03 PM
Mona - One of the most underrated BBs songs.
Honkin Down The Highway
Johnny Carson
I Wanna Pick You Up - This one has really grown on me, lyrics aside
Ding Dang
Roller Skating Child
Let's Put Our Hearts Together
Let Us Go On This Way
Good Time
Airplane
The Night Was So Young
I'll Bet He's Nice
Love Is A Woman
Solar System


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Scaroline No on December 28, 2016, 08:29:39 AM
1. I'll Bet He's Nice - I'm obsessed with this song.
2. Mona
3. Honkin' Down the Highway
4. Johnny Carson
5. Airplane
6. Let Us Go On This Way
7. Ding Dang
8. The Night Was So Young
9. Solar system
10. Good Time
11. Roller skating child
12. Love is A Woman
13. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
14. I Wanna Pick You Up


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Wata on January 12, 2018, 01:54:48 AM
This one is beginning to grow off of me, but still the second last solid BB album IMO.

1. The Night Was So Young
2. Good Time
3. Love Is A Woman -Yes, I'm serious. I love the vibes.

4.Mona
5. Honkin' Down The Highway
6. Airplane
7. Let Us Go On This Way
8. Roller Skating Child
9. I'll Bet He's Nice
10. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
11. Johnny Carson
12. I Wanna Pick You Up
13. Solar System
14. Ding Dang


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Gabo on February 14, 2018, 12:16:27 PM
1. The Night Was So Young
2. I'll Bet He's Nice
3. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
4. I Wanna Pick You UP
5. Airplane
6. Let Us Go On This Way

7. Good Time
8. Johnny Carson
9. Roller Skating Child
10. Mona
11. Honkin' Down The Highway
12. Solar System
13. Love Is A Woman
14. Ding Dang


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: bummerinparadise on February 14, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
1. The Night Was So Young
2. Let Us Go On This Way
3. Good Time
4. I Wanna Pick You Up
5. Honkin' Down the Highway
6. Airplane
7. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
8. Roller Skating Child
9. Johnny Carson
10. I'll Bet He's Nice
11. Solar System
12. Mona
13. Ding Dang
14. Love Is a Woman


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Gettin Hungry on February 15, 2018, 06:43:46 AM
1.   The Night Was So Young
2.   Good Time
3.   Let Us Go on this Way
4.   Airplane
5.   Honkin’ Down the Highway
6.   Rolling Skating Child
7.   I’ll Bet He’s Nice
8.   I Wanna Pick You Up
9.   Solar System
10.   Johnny Carson
11.   Love Is a Woman
12.   Ding Dang
13.   Mona
14.   Let’s Put Our Hearts Together


Title: Re: Rank the tracks #21: Love You
Post by: Doobidoo on November 18, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
1. I'll Bet He's Nice
2. Airplane
3. Johnny Carson
4. The Night Was so Young
5. Let Us Go on this Way
6. Mona
7. Let's Put Our Hearts Together
8. Roller Skating Child
9. Honkin' Down the Highway
10. Good Time
11. I'd Love to Pick You Up
12. Ding Dang
13. Love Is a Woman
14. Solar System