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This should sound better than the original LP or CD.
http://www.elusivedisc.com/BRIAN-WILSON-BRIAN-WILSON-180g-LP-BLUE-VINYL/productinfo/FRMLP2566/&utm_source=email&utm_medium=special

I want. I already own it on vinyl and cd (2x) AND I have a signed promo poster for it, but I WANT.

Such an underrated album

Sure, why not?  Rake in some $$ !  All us vinyl types will have to buy it. 

I like: 
>>In 1988, Brian Wilson took some time out from The Beach Boys and ventured out on his own <<  YEAH!!   

Anything is better than the originals. When I listen to this album, I pull out the 2000 reissued remastered CD from Rhino. Has 15 boner tracks on it. Sounds beautiful. Press a button and you can skip through the preferred songs if you want. Much easier than carefully puuuuling the vinyl out of the sleeve, carefully puuuuutting in on the turntable, carefully liiiiiifting the tone arm and carefully plaaaacing the needle on the record. Too much trouble. Too many beers and it's a pain in the assterisk to do. It ain't worth it.

I might buy one just to look at and say I have it. Like Bgas does.

see, there ya go.
That's pretty much what I do. maybe I should collect something else?

Think they're stretching things a bit with the promotion:

Jeff Lynne (ELO, Traveling Wilburys) joins the team as well for one of the finest collaborative efforts ever between two legends with the beautiful Let It Shine.

The 2000 remaster was ridiculously brickwalled. Unlistenable to me.

I dunno. Whenever I get a piece of vinyl these days I just look at it, take the shrink wrap off (so it doesn't warp), and store it away in the collectione with the rest of the vinyl. Don't even have my turntable hooked up to my stereo anymore. It has cob webs on it. Takes up too much space and it's not worth the effort pull it out and to fire it up. Guess my audiophile ears from 20 years ago no longer fully appreciate the warm, rich, lossless analog sound that virgin vinyl produces...

Beats the hell outta the original.  It's got a coupla mistakes in the mixes, but so what.  Much more to listen to and I don't have any sound problems with it.

Also like my limited edition "Brian Wilson '88" CD in the blue leatherbound case with the silk-screened disk and booklet.  It's boss.  8)

How do I identify the 2000 Remaster CD? 
I've heard about it alot but I can never remember( til now) to ask; and on account of thjose mix mistakes, it would be neat to have one in the collection 

Over the head with a two-by-four, till no life remains in it.

It really was a great time to step away, wasn't it?  Denny had passed and they did their "we're still together, still here, still a band" album with BB85.  That was a good response to the tragedy... a very serious effort, I think, to refocus the band and try something new.  Get together and heal.  Get back on the bike.  And a strong signal to fans that they wanted to make music no matter what.

So 1988 was a good time to step away and breathe.  Find himself, or whatever.  Those moments in life when you say... why haven't I done something like this?  For me!

I'm going to play this album right now... it's been way too long.

That album is what got me into the Beach Boys in a serious way. I still have the original vinyl as well as both versions of the CD. I'm not sure I'll invest in the new vinyl, though.  I still listen to my old LP's but I've never gotten into collecting audiophile vinyl reissues.

Vinyl reissues these days are merely CDs pressed on vinyl. They are all pressed in plants that are not up to the industry standards the US and UK had in the 70's and 80's. The 180 gram thing is a total scam, it has nothing to do with quality sound, it is only because the vinyl is so thick there is less chance of warpage (which means less money lost for the company).

The original vinyl is fine. Not worth a reinvestment on my part.

Wake me up when they get to Imagination (or how about Orange Crate Art??!!).

p.s. These guys did a great job on the recent vinyl edition IJWMFTT:

http://www.amazon.com/Just-Wasnt-Made-These-Times/dp/B007HM3178/ref=tmm_vnl_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1358399296&sr=1-2

Anybody who likes this album and likes records should own it. Really nice.

True dat, Spacer. That's the advantage of the 160G/180G warpage - an advantage by itself. Japanese standard vinyl is 160G. Thick vinyl will preserve better in the long run and when pressed properly, will track fantastically. Other than that, I think 180 gram vinyl is nothing but a marketing ploy. There are a lot (note spelling, Bgas) of bad 180G pressings out there, and there are plenty of great 160G pressings. It's all about the mastering and quality control at the pressing plant. If you don't market your album to audiophiles, who will buy a damn 180G record over a 160G record? So just stay with a 160G release. It's not gonna make any difference sonically.

Unlike those 70's/90's albums on Warner/Reprise/Sire albums that would warp like a banshee if you left them sealed with shrink or exposed them to extended temperatures or stored them incorrectly. Tgey used melted down chaep vinyl back then to save an almighty buck.

P.S. Just picked up "Thank God For The Radio" and "Lucky Old Sun" vinyl albums. 12 bucks each, so I took 'em and ran. Probably never play them. Might go back for the "I Just Wasn't Made For These Times" vinyl since Bubba Ho Tep recommended it.......

What's a Bubba Ho-Tep, anyway??

You serious?  Front cover is the same as the original. You look at the back of the CD cover and printed vertically up the right side it'll say "This Reissue/Compilation 2000 Warner Bros. Records, Inc. & Rhino Entertainment Company". On the edge of the CD it'll say           R2 79960        Briiiiiiiaaaaan Wilson      Warner Archives/Rhino.

Here's more than you need to know about the CD:

http://discog.fleetwoodmac.net/discog.php?pid=274
     

Ho-Tep (ho-tep’) n.
1.Relative or descendant of the 17 Egyptian Dynasties, 3100-1500 B.C.  2. Family Surname of an Egyptian Pharaoh (king).
 
Bubba (bub’uh) n.
1.Male from the Southern U.S.  2. Good ole boy   3. Cracker, red neck, trailer park resident

It's also a cult movie with Bruce Campbell and Ossie Davis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubba_Ho-tep

Replace all the damn bell sounds with farty snyths and the album would be fixed. Like imagine "There's So Many" with a bunch of farty snyths in the background instead of tinkling bells when Brian sings the "planets are spinning around" bit. Much better.

I'm just going to save my pennies and save my dimes here - the fact it's on Translucent Blue will probably slightly weaken the sound, but I'm happy with my minty original. I don't play it enough to warrant it anyway.

Wonder how the credits will read this time around, and which mixes they'll press up?

I'm pretty happy with my original vinyl pressing, but man...call me crazy, but when I read "First-time gatefold jacket" I got very excited.  I received a couple of Friday Music LPs for Christmas (Toto, Guess Who) and they sound amazing, with excellent sleeve quality.  I love this album, so I'm in.

I bet a few Landy credits get in there by accident.

Don't believe I've come across that particular title before - when was it released ? Is it any good ? Do I need to hear it ?

Not with this label at all.

Funny I like the investment you put into playing records. Sound over ease any day for me.

Already got a decent sounding second hand copy....

Dismissing vinyl reissues as an industry out right is dim. Sure, there are lazy indie companies, such as Plain (who did a bunch of crappy, overpriced Spiritualized reissues), or the majors, but plenty of reissues sound the business and are done properly - the recent VDP ones on Bella Union are amazing quality pressings, properly mastered and all.

Same here, got a mint copy from 1988. Thanks for warning me about the spiritualized LPs.

i want it for his "powerful hit single Love And Mercy "......... ::)

Don't get me started on Plain. Their Mr. Bungle reissues are an atrocity.

There are a few companies out there (such as Friday Music) which do nice work. I don't think anything being pressed these days sound as good as the "good old days" of true analogue, before the dark times...before computers got all up in there and stuff...but  I still buy some select titles just to keep my vinyl collection complete. HOwever, if given a choice between a vintage pressing and a newfangled one (even one pressed with such love and care by the good people at Sundazed) most often than not the original will have that 'something something' that  the new one doesn't. Not always, but often. It's intangible, but it's there. They just don't make 'em like they used to. That's the bottom line. But there are a few good ones slipping out amongst the garbage now and then. I'm sure they'll do a good job with this new BW reissue, but for me it's not  something I need to invest in.

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The problem is with the Spiritualized records is that there are hardly any 'vintage' pressings out there, because it was the nineties and CDs were the main mode of transport, so vinyl pressings were scarcer/crapper. To this day, I don't think I've seen a 90's pressing of Lazer Guided Melodies or Pure Phase, or Let It Come Down or Amazing Grace at all. Got an Abbey Road EP, Feel So Sad and Stop Your Crying 12"s just by luck, really. Only Ladies & Gents ones are ridiculously overpriced in 2ndhand shops, and apparently the entire run is defective anyway. If I buy another copy of Ladies & Gents (inevitable, seeing as I love it so), it's gonna be one of those 12 mini CD pill packets. Best packaging ever (and apparently different mixes....).

However, the latest ones (Songs In A&E, SHSL) are good pressings because vinyl came back in vogue by that point. So pick those up!
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Whereas the pressings lack that 'something', I do love Sundazed for getting rarer records back into my price range. For instance, an original of the Gene Clark & The Gosdin Bros LP is going for £125 on ebay! I picked up the Sundazed one for about £17 or something. Or The Left Banke's first LP for not silly money, etc.

A shame about the earlier albums, I hope somebody releases them properly on vinyl some day. Are the spacemen 3 pressings crappy as well?

In short, I don't know scoured the Spiritualized forum and can't find much, only that Fire lost the mastertapes for The Perfect Prescription (noooooo) and so any vinyl reissue is ripped from a CD. They seem to rep for the original LPs on Glass, though. The only reissue I ever see in my local is Sound Of Confusion and that's pretty much the last one I'd buy - I want Recurring The Perfect Prescription or Playing With Fire or Taking Drugs over that. If I was you, I'd pick up the CDs actually - a lot of interesting bonus material on the Space Age reissues, esp PWF!

Speaking of S3, today I picked up the reissue of Spectrum's 'Soul Kiss (Glide Divine)' (Sonic Boom's first post S3 album, I think) and it's pretty f***ing brilliant!

What always puzzled me (and hopefully someone can explain to me) is that when masters are lost why do people doing remasters track down a previously released source (L.P for example) instead of recreating the mix from the multis and going from there? is it a time/licensing thing or is it just laziness?, I'd have thought it would have lead to much better sound quality in the long run.

Yeah, you should check it out. It ain't bad.

Then try to type your posts after a coupla Margaritas with Petron silver tequila in 'em.  Little bit of a challenge, I tells ya!

Maybe both, but I'd venture to guess that to run down the licenses and pay the fees probably takes time. Would be interesting to see if this new vinyl release was taken from the '88 CD or from the orginal '88 master tape or from the 2000 remaster tape/CD.

Thanks for the explanation. Yeah, I'm very familiar with "Bubba". Have seen you post quite a bit in the Record Room and figured it was time to get the lowdown on the moniker. Every Friday on the radio station i listen to, there's a segment called "Bubba In The Balcony" where a guy who sounds exactly like Bill Clinton reviews and rates skin flicks. It's funny.

- White cracker honky cat (but not trailer trash) Mikie

Just read recently where Jeff had much more to do with the song than previously thought. "For this 1988 Brian Wilson album, Jeff Lynne gave the song "Let It Shine" to Brian Wilson in near complete form, with Wilson adding the chorus. Jeff Lynne also played on and produced "Let It Shine."

Jeff was asked about it:

"It was a tiny bit difficult, yeah," he frowns, and shoots a meaningful glance out the side of his shades, "but only because of the way it was structured, with all the doctors and that stuff, and you have to go through this chain of events before you do anything. Like you’d lay down a tape, a little rough thing of a song that I wrote with him, and suddenly someone’s got a copy of it and they’re playing it to the record company saying, Look at this! What’s he trying to do!" "No foresight whatsoever. I knew what I was going to do with it, but it’s like giving somebody an unfinished thing that only you know what it is. It’s a cryptic sort of thing. They tried to cut it off at the pass but I finally got it finished and it was really good. I was proud of that piece of work; his singing is good and everything. "They’re all nice guys. Brian’s lovely. It’s a shame he’s got so many problems with all these people messing him up."

I remember Brian said he couldn't make eye contact with Jeff because Jeff always wore sunglasses in the studio. Guess he wasn't sure he could communicate with him.

There is no original '88 master tape. That's why the reissue had a few odd mixes. Mark explained at the time of the Rhino reissue that there was no banded master prepared, rather the songs were handed in piecemeal. Hence, in 2000, a couple of incorrect masters were pulled from the vault.

Not entirely correct - Brian added the opening/closing vocal round. Which, yes, I know, is essentially the chorus.

Wow. So no master tape with the whole '88 album on it.

I know on that 'other' board there was a discussion about the song mixes on the 2000 reissue and their differences compared to the '88 release, but I can't find it now. Maybe somebody else can find it.

The liners with bonus track and demo info:

http://albumlinernotes.com/Brian_Wilson__Reissue_.html

  I seem to remember discussion of the same thing on this board; but how to use the search function to find it is way beyond me.

Where does the label have their releases pressed?

I'm not dim, I'm Alex. Watch it. Personally, I have been burned by bad pressings from all the majors, Capitol, Sony, etc., as well as Sundazed, Norton and all the others. Several times each, in fact. Whereas I can count on about three fingers the times I bought a factory-damaged bad pressing in the 70's and 80's. There is always at least one digital step in the vinyl process these days, and to me, that negates the purpose of the thing to a large degree.

My friend just pours money into new vinyl when we go to LP store, while I always try to buy analog pressings.

I can understand why.  Those who spell "alot" in a sentence usually have a tough time doing a lot of things....

  Perhaps you can do the search since you're such an "ace"!
 
and while you're touching on your pet peeve, perhaps you can teach the rest of us to spell along with you. It should be MOST revealing... 

 

There was an offer to send in the 2000 re-issued Brian Wilson CD to Rhino in exchange for a corrected copy. I never returned mine for an exchange. I heard that a couple of others sent their copies of the CD in and received a different copy of the same thing! Did anyone here send their original 2000 copy in and get a "corrected" copy?

Notes to self (from other posters) when I started a thread years ago about the differences between the original 1988 and 2000 resissue mixes. The 2000 Rhino version:

1, A part right after the bridge on "Love And Mercy" is different. And, the remastered CD is a lot louder than the original.

2. On "Love & Mercy" there seems to be a part missing right near the beginning, the instrumental part before the vocals start, kind of an echoing of each instrumental line, mixed a little lower volumewise. The high "ahhh ahhhs" in the closing fading are missing.

3. Love & Mercy - during the bridge, when it's supposed to be quiet, there are a few stray synth notes on the Rhino Version.

4. "Melt Away" - the high "ahhh ahhhs" in the closing fade are missing.

5. Let It Shine" - another track that is somewhat different on the 2000 remaster, but I couldn't tell you off the top of my head how.

6. When the CD was reissued in 2000, it was immediately obvious that at least two tracks were slightly, but notably, different mixes. Mark's (Linett) explanation was that as no assembled master for the album existed, but rather the songs on individual tapes, he pulled what he thought was the 1988 master for each one from the racks.

Thanks, "ace."

 ;D

This is the thread I was thinking of ( there may be more than 1):  http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9597.0.html

Some of these issues are confusing to me, so if this question is ignorant, please straighten me out.

OK, so Mark pulled what he thought was the 1988 master for each of the tracks. It's hard to believe that could happen with someone of the magnitude of Brian Wilson, but so be it. I guess because IT IS Brian Wilson that I can believe it. But here's what I don't understand. COULDN'T MARK IMMEDIATELY HEAR THE DIFFERENCES IN THE TRACKS,  PUT THE BRAKES ON, GO "Whoa, wait a minute", AND USE THE CORRECT MIXES?

It's almost like he - or anybody - wasn't aware that incorrect mixes were used UNTIL THE FANS BROUGHT IT UP!

Weren't the "Sweet Insanity" master tapes stolen?  Maybe whoever has those has the master tape set for "Brian Wilson."

Getting back to the argument about whether digitizing master tapes renders vinyl reissues a moot point, wasn't "Brian Wilson" recorded and mastered in a digital format (not to mention being almost entirely recorded with programmed  digital synths)? It was issued as a CD at the same time it was issued as a vinyl record (and cassette tape). So, therefore, it always had a digital element to it.

There are a few interesting comments about the 2000 reissue and the 'CD exchange' in :

 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/rec.music.artists.beach-boys/n_WrcrJoRAM


Also mikie, was it just a coincidence that you referred to 'Thank God for the Radio' or were you thinking of this:

http://www.musicstack.com/album/carl+wilson/thank+god+for+the+radio

 :o

.

Nah, that's a different Carl Wilson.  Man, did you see what that Carl Wilson "Long Promised Road" CD is going for on that website?

Oh my god that other Carl Wilson I can't stop laughing

After 21 years in boxes due to four moves, no, six, the first thing I did when we moved back into our house in Texas last month after 6 long years in Las Vegas was unpack my albums and into a built-in cabinet.  Maybe about 150, a quarter of those Beach Boys (including the aforementioned original Brian Wilson solo LP and counting the framed ones on the wall above the piano), some of it in the "why on earth do I have this?" category.  They look great behind those glass doors.  Next to a little stereo that only plays CDs.  Wow, if I only had a turntable.  Or a cassette player. Lots of those, too.

 :lol  Was just amazed that something did exist with the title from your earlier post and that not only was the title spookily prescient (being pre TWGMTR)) but was recorded by a 'Carl Wilson' -  who, had I actually been in any doubt, was clearly a very 'different' Carl! But then there's also a track called 'Darlin'' on the album and that's a different Darlin'. An alternative universe?

Farty synths.  I love farty synths.  Best post of the day.

Awesome... never knew this.  I always thought it sounded off -- those little "stray synth notes" during the silent part of Love & Mercy.  "bink. bink. bink."
You're referring to the part before the big finale, right?

i'd take the outtakes of the album on vinyl any day...escpecially Rio Grande and Melt Away

Gotta agree that 180 gram vinyl is a marketing ploy more than an quality improvement.  Yes, it is less susceptible to warpage, but because of its thickness 180 gram vinyl is far more susceptible to noisy, scratchy sounding bursts of "non-fill" distortion than standard 120 gram vinyl.  This non-fill distortion occurs far more frequently when pressing thick 180 to 200 gram vinyl because the molten vinyl in a thicker pressing is more likely to harden too soon, before completely filling the grooves in the stamper.  

Personally, I much prefer a 120 to 140 gram pressing to a 180 to 200 gram pressing.

What's your average weight of a 60s UK LP (e.g. all the Beach boys ones) - they are what I class as perfect, although a tiny bit thinner isn't a bad thing. 180G always leaves Ring Wear on the sleeve/inners too.

But.............there aren't any outtakes on vinyl.  They're on CD and bootlegs.  Plus, most of the outtakes are in demo and rough mix form anyway, so how can you improve them sonically with vinyl? Doubt you'd notice much difference.

idk...art for the sake of art

During the bridge. No big deal - if you hadn't heard the original release so many times, you probably wouldn't notice it.

That's probably the same thing I'm guilty of with vinyl. Screw sonic improvement, that's how I play my music! Hell, I put up with the original UK Pet Sounds for 2 years, I can out up with anything! (Flippin' DuoPhonic Fold down!)

thank you!


BTW, what's different about UK PS?

Yikes, you are a brave soul.... :-D

He noted the difference in his post.

oops, I'm a moron, I misread that.,  thanks!

Whereas I've had a mixed bag - some bad, some not. Maybe you've had bad luck (and why would we beef over vinyl reissues, for gods sake) but I'm just basing this off what I've bought.

And I don't know what you're buying, but I've had plenty of problems with old vinyl too!

I have had plenty of problems with old vinyl as well, but buying records new in the 70's and 80's, I maybe had three experiences with scratched or mispressed copies. It just very rarely happened. Now, you even get ones that are pressed slightly off-center, causing a wobbly effect as it gets closer to the label.

I've noticed a great variance in quality of the new vinyl. I think they just press these things up knowing there are a bunch of suckers like me with an addiction to feed! Now if you are lucky enough to find some NM 60's/70's vinyl, it almost always sounds great. Especially 60's. Those records were made to last! Problem was, most people didn't have equipment back then to match the quality of the vinyl.

I like vintage vinyl but those capitol pressings of BBs records can be extremely dodgy at times. Good thing I got the BBs deluxe set from 1967 in mono.

Friday Music is a pretty well respected label among audiophiles.  I have two of recent reissues of theirs: "American Woman" by the Guess Who, and "Toto IV" by Toto.  They are both flat as a pancake, beautifully pressed without any surface noise that I can detect.  The only caveat I have with this reissue of BW88 is that it's being pressed on colored vinyl, which in my experience, usually doesn't sound as great.  However, my previous good luck with this label has convinced me to quadruple dip (original vinyl, CD, CD reissue).  I think this will be a good reissue. 

I do agree that most of Capitol's recent vinyl reissues leave a lot to be desired, although it does vary from title to title and out of the recent batch of BB-related Capitol discs I've been very happy with my Sunflower repressing and especially with the TWGMTR vinyl pressing.

Again Friday Music is all analog as are some of the other labels.

I know it's quite late into the 70's but I have two NM L.Ps that instantly come to mind when I read this; Peter Gabriel's first solo album (the one with the Car) and "Rising" by Rainbow - both of these albums have so much depth and clarity that it's unbelievable. I own both of these on C.D and they just don't have the same warmth and depth (and I'm rarely one of these Vinyl>CD people)

RIGHT! It's nothing against you - there's quite a few people like you out there who are collectors or just want to see if that classic album out there sounds better on vinyl than on CD. You can read reviews, but until you take it home, you don't know for sure. And the damn vinyl usually costs more than a CD so you'd better be sure! And many are disappointed when they find out the vinyl is not as good! Many times it's just a marketing ploy. Look at the colored vinyl back in the 70's and the Japanese colored vinyl and all. It costs a little more, but to have Pink Floyd on pink vinyl or the Beatles White album on white vinyl or ELO on blue vinyl, etc. was just to get you to buy that album. The warmth and depth and clarity wasn't any better. The people that can really benefit from vinyl (virgin vinyl) are the audiophiles who collect Classical and Jazz music and SWEAR that it sounds better than CD's. I know a guy who rarely TOUCHES a CD unless there's material he really wants that he can't get on vinyl. But you'd better have a better amp (Mono blocks or tube amps) and a damn good turntable with a real nice cartridge and stylus to reproduce that "warmth & clarity". Or why bother?

Vinyl is fine, but just give me a needle drop CD and I'm good to go.  ;D

I got a Capitol pressing of Sunflower that was released a few years ago and it sounds horrible!

What's odd is that the record sleeve inside the album cover is a reprint of the Sunflower picture with Add some Music printed on it. Was that on the original Sunflower release?

The harmonic distortion that folks feel as "warmth" can be felt even on one of those 50 dollar all-in-one Crosley jobs.

The "Add Some Music" record sleeve inside the Capitol "Sunflower" 2009 vinyl LP reissue is a reproduction of the original album cover artwork, back when the album was slated to be titled "Add Some Music".  (For those who haven't seen it, it's basically identical to the Sunflower cover, with the words "Add Some Music" placed horizontally in the center of the banner, instead of "Sunflower" under a rainbow-style arch.)  The "Add Some Music" album cover artwork originally appeared as a black and white thumbnail in the Warner-Reprise double album loss leader "The Big Ball" released in March 1970 and containing 25 selections by Warner-Reprise artists, available exclusively by mail order for the low price of only $2 (about $12 in today's dollars).

"This Whole World" from the forthcoming "Add Some Music" album was song number three on side one, and I was instantly mesmerized when I first heard it.  The liner notes concluded with, "The Beach Boys now have their very own label, Brother Records, which is distributed by Reprise.  'This Whole World' is from their first album on Brother, slated for release in April, 1970."  "Cool," I thought to myself, "that's next month!"  But my local record store had to put up with me continually asking about the Beach Boys new "Add Some Music" album for another five months, when it finally arrived in August titled "Sunflower."

Honestly, they're not.

Anyone order this? just ordered the IJWMFTT one myself as I have the original BW88 so will leave it...at least for now

edit: sorry I see its a March 19th release

I paid exactly sixteen quid for my ex UK Mono of Gene/Gosdin Brothers! Did wait a good few years before finally snagging one at the right price though.

Yup, I have it on order from the local record shop I work at.

Yeah I do too.
I want to say that people who think vinyl is bought just for better or analog sound are mistaken. That's a big plus, but I actually just like the format, the feel, the package, the whole works. New vinyl issues as long as they are clear and quiet are fine by me. Mint original analog is the best, but in the case of IJWMFTT I was just happy to have it on a record.

i ordered one also. rebuilding collection with a few choice lp items. this one looks nice.

I paid exactly $5 for an original Left Banke first album last summer. Less than I could buy a Sundazed copy for!

I don't need the new release as I already have the original from 1988....but nice to see it out again on vinyl.

My wife found one for 50 cents at the local Goodwill!

I am guessing all those Johnny Mathis records hid it well.

Yeah! I remember a couple of records I have from WB having a sleeve with an ad that had another record or two that had a track on each album…I think one had Cool Cool Water and Susie Cincinatti, I don't have the sleeve around me at the moment or else I'd post it.

I got my copy of the Friday Music reissue of "Brian Wilson".  The sleeve is wonderfully reproduced, with a very attractive gatefold for the first time.  The vinyl itself sounds good; the mastering is closer in tone to the 2000 cd. The tinniest detail of the production is at the forefront, so you can really focus on every last synth trill or gurgle. Brian's individual harmonies really benifit from the added resolution. However, this is at the expense of the original's dynamics.  I did a shootout with my original Sire vinyl and there was more warmth and space to the sound on the Sire.  If you have a hard time finding an original LP, get a copy of the Friday Music reissue. For folks that already own an original, buy it as a collector's item or just hang on to your previous pressing.

Thanks, I'll stick to my Minty Sire copy then  ;D

I just wish they had either included the CD only reissue tracks (NIGHT BLOOMING JASMINE ON VINYL WOULD BE KILLLER), or put out Imagination instead which has never been a record except for the 45.

Good call! I want this too!

Heck, we got IJWMFTT on vinyl randomly...who put that out?

Any Landy credits or mentions at all?

can you or anyone else post a picture of the blue vinyl and gatefold? I've not been able to find it anywhere.

You forgot to clean the LP and the stylus.

Anyway what you describe is very much a part of what makes vinyl enjoyable for me. It is not burdensome at all.

I look sooooo forward to having to get up and turn the record over to the other side. I think the task has taken some serious, undeserved  flack over the years and it's just not fair. It really can be a source of unlimited fun if one is a little creative.

When hitting the sack, I remember putting on Pet Sounds (usually side 2) or Carl & The Passions (usually side 2) and putting on the headphones so I could get to sleep without having to get up to turn the record over. Getting off the sofa or bed to turn the record over after the music stopped was a pain in the butt, especially when I had a lady over and in the middle of an intimate moment.....

And you're right. If lint built up in the stylus (or record grooves) and you had to clean it out. Pain in the butt. Or if it was a belt drive turntable you had to replace the belt sometimes. And motor driven turntables 'rumbled' with a deep bass feedback if not positioned on the table/cabinet shelf properly.   

When CD's came out, all of the above issues pretty much went away.  I don't miss playing vinyl and turntables every day to play music.

No need to miss it, records are selling better than since the late eighties or early nineties. We all have our preference , but the so called work to me is part of the fun of vinyl. I feel the sound I get is worth it. Plus I work at home so no need to be portable.

Landy has his original credits as exec producer. I didn't check the song credits but it seems the 1988 LP sleeve is reproduced straight as a gatefold.

Vinyl-best to stock up now-it's a momentary fad that will most likely be passing in the not too distant future. 8)

Ah well, To Each his Own.

Its true regardless if your turntable is the cheapest BSR ever made or a reference model that set you back $5,000 the mechanics of listening to vinyl are the same (of course you can get let the records go to hell if you dont care).

Personally, I have never found any of the mechanics burdensome and sonic rewards I receive from my vinyl to be worth whatever effort expended.
I am very proud of my record collection and have no intentions of discarding it or letting the LPs sit unplayed just to look at.

 So there - :p :p :p ;D

Haha...I trust you're joking. Vinyl will clearly be around for longer than any of us will.

The 'point of vinyl' for me isn't repressings of records you can buy original sealed copies of for $5. I WISH people paying money for such things was a fad that was going to disappear, but sadly, it's not.

For me (more of a record obsessive than a beach boys obsessive, even) the 'point' of records, if you will, is music I've never heard before from 1956-1977ish, on the original format.

When I was in America (Austin) a couple of months ago I loaded up on awesome $2-4 records...45s (eg:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kABQ5Kf2SLQ ) and lps (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyg33xtD5-4 ). I got to hang with fellow record dudes, drink beer, play a huge pile of records I've never heard before, buy the ones I like for barely any cash. Great times.

RSD and the majors can stick their $30+ reissues of common rubbish.  


ps- hope I never get too old to stand up and turn a record over!

And then there's the issue of storage space.  Huh.  A no-brainer there....

It's not a 'no brainer' at all..how ridiculous. There's no wrong or right answer on this!

If you're into a nice uncluttered life, unburdened by the horror of having to stand up midway through an album, or to occasionally puff a bit of fluff off a needle, then that's cool.

If you're into listening to records on vinyl, that's also cool. No one wins.

Did all that for many, many years, son.  And I was pretty much done with it back in the late 80's, when I started buying CD's.  Then started downloading albums to the hard drive. Only reason I pick up vinyl now is for its collectability, and they remain unplayed.  Had 3 turntables - a Garrard/BIC, a Technics, then a Thorens. Had a Pickering V15 cartridge and a diamond stylus, then got the Thorens turntable with Stanton cartridge and sapphire ruby stylus. Needs a pre-amp to plug into my AV setup with mono-block amps, but I don't bother. Have about 300-500 vinyl albums in storage that I haven't played in many, many years and remain dormant. Also, as many audio enthusiasts get older, their ears don't hear what they use to. Sure, I don't argue that a 160g virgin vinyl record (without snaps, crackles, pops) sounds warmer with the analog sound of the old days, but again, why bother unless they're Classical or Jazz albums. Just ain't worth the effort, inconvenience, and minimal sound difference to me.

Gonna be honest with you...I know where I stand on this, and I've already pinned you as someone who has 180gram pressings of standard, common rock albums, rather than having an interest in discovering new (old) unheard, music.

That's cool- not judging you, it's just not how I roll, which would explain why we'd never see eye to eye on this. and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm a 'buys 2000 records that came from a Hong Kong radio station for 5p a throw' kind of guy. I did that. Most of them sucked, but I ended up with some lovely sunshine pop (sagittarius, beethoven soul) etc in the shrink, a bunch of asian 'go go' titles, some us christian psych and made a killing when I sold the clean free jazz lps. To me, vinyl is more about picking up stuff I didn't know, having a sense of adventure, than 'collectors' copies of mainstream terds.

Hoarding/taking up that valuable space can be cool too...when I was 16 I found UK copies of every Pearls Before Swine lp, and a US mono first Tim Buckley, for 50p each. As a teenaged Hendrix fan I REALLY didn't get them, but tucked them on the shelf anyway, and once I hit my late twenties, they became big time favourites...

I dunno. Think what you think, but opinions aint facts.

Was that Friday Music as well? Also need OCA vinyl.

nice of the spam guy to reopen this thread as it reminded me that I was playing my IJWMFTT vinyl yesterday and the first couple of songs on side 2 are badly warped, The vinyl arrived with a massive annoying crease in the cover. I should have sent it back...too late now I guess. I only listened to it properly this weekend.

That's too bad, I hate when that kind of thing happens. It's a good pressing.

"Funny" that you mentioned that. The exact thing happened to me. When I picked up my order at the time, the album was still sealed, so one couldn't notice the damage. When I got home I immediately opened it and saw the crease (on the top). I returned it the next day. The seller had another copy ordered, got it 2 days later... we opened the shrinkwrap in the store, and -surprise- again it was damaged. I guess a complete shipment was not treated with care when they shipped it. Another order was placed, but this time there wasn't stock left in The Netherlands, so they had to ship a new package from the U.S.. It took a few weeks, but when it arived fortunately this time the cover was in pristine condition.

Considering how much Friday Music charges for these vinyl releases, they should be nothing less than perfect. The only one I've bought so far is the vinyl Monkees Justus.

Brian Wilson Debut Gets Expanded Reissued In May

http://www.musictap.net/2015/03/24/brian-wilson-debut-gets-expanded-reissued-in-may/

Just ordered the IJWMFTT vinyl.  Can you tell me where the crease was so that I can inspect before I open it and return it if need be.  Thanks in advance.

Might be worth starting a new thread for this, as it's a CD rather than vinyl.

It looks like the CD is just a case of putting the old CD back in print. The article guesses that the album might be remastered (again) as compared to the 2000 remaster. But if it has the same bonus tracks, I would guess it's more likely just the same disc back in print.

The question is, though, will the two or three incorrect mixes be fixed here as compared to the 2000 CD? I never heard if anyone actually got "corrected" discs back in 2000. I recall reading fixes had been made/submitted. So hopefully this CD will have those fixes. I might pick it up if someone can confirm the correct mixes were used for "Melt Away", "Let It Shine", and one other as I recall. The muddy mix of "Let It Shine" on the 2000 CD is, well, muddy.  :lol So I'd prefer to have the original correct mix (although I guess I have an original 1988 CD too).

The crease is bottom right in 2 places.

BTW I got a new (much better) vinyl player and the record plays fine now. I guess some cheap-ish players dont always handle heavyweight vinyl well.

Thanks My Brother!  I don't see any creases at all (paid particular attention to the bottom right so I may have dodged a bullet here.  Thanks for the reply.

I forgot how many notable tracks are on this album (at least the B side)


Night Time
Meet Me In My Dreams Tonight
Rio Grande
+ Love and Mercy

I still want Orange Crate Art on vinyl. And Imagination.

http://www.amazon.com/Brian-Wilson/dp/B00004WH69/ref=sr_1_1?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1427774769&sr=1-1&keywords=brian+wilson

BLACK FRIDAY 2015 - 11/27/2015

Brian Wilson

DETAILS
Format: 2 x LP
Label: Rhino
Release type: RSD Exclusive Release
More Info:
2 LP Blue Swirl

http://www.recordstoreday.com/SpecialRelease/8185

2 lp? does that mean bonus tracks?

Maybe it's a vinyl pressing of the extended CD issue?

Possibly.
Still would like to have Orange Crate Art on vinyl. and Imagination.

3500 copies

http://themusicuniverse.com/record-store-day-back-to-black-friday-2015-releases-unveiled/

Nice! hopefully it is priced normally. RSD prices seriously take the piss a lot of the time.

RSD would be a neat opportunity to get physical issues of the past two years' copyright extension releases… but 2015 seems to be Brian Wilson-focused - and rightly so.

Yes they do. I have passed on all but a few for that reason.