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Title: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: harrisonjon on December 19, 2012, 06:05:09 AM 1962-65 or 1967-2012: Which would you choose? The bliss of the momentum that takes us to the immediate Pet Sounds period or the peaks and troughs of 1967 onwards?
Personally I couldn't live without Today, whereas Sunflower et al would be a painful loss but I would eventually get over it. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on December 19, 2012, 06:13:10 AM I vote pre, just because I couldn't live without Today!
I do think post has much higher quality tunes than pre though. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Jukka on December 19, 2012, 06:40:40 AM That is a tough one, but I guess I'd take the post-1966 albums. Sure, I'd miss the studio versions of old hits, but luckily I'd have Stars and Stripes vol 1 to replace some of them!
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: The Shift on December 19, 2012, 06:58:17 AM What about 1966 itself? Does that fall into the pre- or post- collection, or is it exempt?
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: EgoHanger1966 on December 19, 2012, 07:42:02 AM Assuming 1966 is held constant, I'd choose "pre". Too many classics I'd not want to be without.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Jukka on December 19, 2012, 07:44:29 AM What about 1966 itself? Does that fall into the pre- or post- collection, or is it exempt? I'd say 1966 is split in half, and thus GV would fall on the post-side. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: NHC on December 19, 2012, 07:52:14 AM Have to be pre, unless Endless Summer, Spirit of America, 50 Big Ones, eg., are considered post.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: shelter on December 19, 2012, 08:37:15 AM That's easy. Without a doubt, the post-1966 albums. If I'd have to make a top 10 of my favorite Beach Boys albums right now, I think Today! might be the only pre-1966 album on it and it would probably be something like no. 7 or 8.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: TimeToGetAlone on December 19, 2012, 09:47:57 AM I'd hate to lose an amazing album like Today! and dozens of other great tracks, but I've gotta go with post. I love the diversity of the 1967-1973 albums. You add Love You to that and I really can't go the other way. I have no clue what the band's legacy would be if you could only hear from 1966 on.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on December 19, 2012, 11:48:01 AM Pre. Back to Mono.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: I. Spaceman on December 19, 2012, 11:56:28 AM Pre. But I'd sneak copies of Smiley and Love You into the Concert and Christmas sleeves.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: rab2591 on December 19, 2012, 12:08:03 PM Pre...but I sure would miss Friends.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Alan Smith on December 19, 2012, 01:25:11 PM Pre - chicks, cars, surf and rock-and-roll!
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Paulos on December 19, 2012, 01:39:58 PM Think I'll choose pre and post 1966 thanks.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: I. Spaceman on December 19, 2012, 02:03:42 PM Think I'll choose pre and post 1966 thanks. Well, yeah. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: bgas on December 19, 2012, 02:09:20 PM Think I'll choose pre and post 1966 thanks. Well, yeah. yah, if I have to choose one or the other, I'll cheat and take them all ( 1966 too) Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Chris Brown on December 19, 2012, 06:50:09 PM Although my appreciation for the 67-73 albums has grown tremendously over the years, I still have to go with pre-66 (as long as Pet Sounds comes along with that). For me it doesn't get better than young Brian at the top of his game.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on December 19, 2012, 07:23:03 PM post 66 (including PS)
Can't live without Friends, SMiLE, Love You, Holland.... so much great stuff Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: rab2591 on December 19, 2012, 07:47:06 PM Although my appreciation for the 67-73 albums has grown tremendously over the years, I still have to go with pre-66 (as long as Pet Sounds comes along with that). For me it doesn't get better than young Brian at the top of his game. Yeah, it's a close call, but those jammin surf tunes with Brian's young voice are too amazing. I'd take 'Don't Worry Baby' over anything post-66....Smile material included. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Micha on December 19, 2012, 08:40:38 PM Pre, no second thought.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Ron on December 19, 2012, 09:39:39 PM I"d go Pre. The later stuff is in general more accomplished, but it doesn't have the teeth and the excitement of the earlier songs. I wouldn't even appreciate the Beach Boys if I hadn't heard the awesome, balls to the wall rock & roll of "Surfin USA" or "409" or "I Kissed Her" or "Catch a Wave".
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: rogerlancelot on December 20, 2012, 01:58:53 AM Here's a tougher scenario: 1978-1987 or 1989-1998. That is to say pre-Kokomo or post-Kokomo.
1978-1987 includes: MIU, LA, KTSA, BB '85 and "Chasin' The Sky". 1989-1998 includes: Still Cruisin', SIP, Stars & Stripes Vol. 1 and Salute NASCAR. Those lists are not complete by any means but you get the idea. I guess I would lean more toward the 1978-1987 myself. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Letsgoawayforawhile on December 20, 2012, 07:28:46 AM Here's a tougher scenario: 1978-1987 or 1989-1998. That is to say pre-Kokomo or post-Kokomo. 1978-1987 includes: MIU, LA, KTSA, BB '85 and "Chasin' The Sky". 1989-1998 includes: Still Cruisin', SIP, Stars & Stripes Vol. 1 and Salute NASCAR. Those lists are not complete by any means but you get the idea. I guess I would lean more toward the 1978-1987 myself. Yuck! I guess if I had to pick, it would be 78-87. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Bubba Ho-Tep on December 20, 2012, 07:46:07 AM Here's a tougher scenario: 1978-1987 or 1989-1998. That is to say pre-Kokomo or post-Kokomo. 1978-1987 includes: MIU, LA, KTSA, BB '85 and "Chasin' The Sky". 1989-1998 includes: Still Cruisin', SIP, Stars & Stripes Vol. 1 and Salute NASCAR. Those lists are not complete by any means but you get the idea. I guess I would lean more toward the 1978-1987 myself. My love of MIU makes this choice rather easy. I'm assuming Brian Wilson's solo work isn't included? I mean, if I can get Orange Crate Art and Imagination with the 89-98 deal I might take it instead. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: buddhahat on December 20, 2012, 10:06:25 AM Post for me. Can the OP add a poll option? I think this question could prove quite divisive ...
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: NHC on December 20, 2012, 10:07:00 AM Pre - chicks, cars, surf and rock-and-roll! Exactly. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: NHC on December 20, 2012, 10:09:24 AM Here's a tougher scenario: 1978-1987 or 1989-1998. That is to say pre-Kokomo or post-Kokomo. 1978-1987 includes: MIU, LA, KTSA, BB '85 and "Chasin' The Sky". 1989-1998 includes: Still Cruisin', SIP, Stars & Stripes Vol. 1 and Salute NASCAR. Those lists are not complete by any means but you get the idea. I guess I would lean more toward the 1978-1987 myself. 78-87, but I would need Stars & Stripes to have come along several years earlier. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: phirnis on December 20, 2012, 01:14:45 PM Does Endless Summer count as a post-1966 album? Anyway, it's impossible to decide. I'd go with "post" because of Love You and stuff like Carl and the Passions, but I wouldn't want to do without Today! and Little Deuce Coupe either. Right now I'm heavily into some individual early tracks, like Surfin' USA, Warmth of the Sun, and Cherry Cherry Coupe, so for the moment that would probably speak for "pre".
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: MBE on December 20, 2012, 08:24:12 PM Couldn't chose but post Holland I could live without.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Myk Luhv on December 20, 2012, 08:46:21 PM I don't listen to much of anything beyond Love You whereas there's a lot more to enjoy, even in the filler, of their pre-1966 albums. And yet here I am, coming down on the side that wants to keep the post-'66 (including Pet Sounds?) albums!
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: AndrewHickey on December 28, 2012, 05:09:34 AM Post-66 for me. You could put all the *really* good pre-PS tracks onto a 2-CD compilation and I'd not miss any of the rest of them, while there's barely a track between Smiley and Love You that i'd want to miss (and then there are the solo albums on top of that).
As for 78-87 or 87-96... none of the above? Actually, 78-87, for LA. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Loaf on December 28, 2012, 05:35:30 AM Post-66 definitely for me. No contest.
I love the pre-66 material but i rarely feel the need to listen to it. I listen to MIU much more than anything pre-66! Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: SonicVolcano on December 28, 2012, 06:25:42 AM Post-66 definitely. The So Tough-Holland era is my favourite.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: NHC on December 28, 2012, 07:47:09 AM 45-50 years later I still couldn't enjoy life nearly as much without the first ten albums. Ask my wife of 40 1/2 years.
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Don Malcolm on December 28, 2012, 10:02:11 AM Yes, this would be good as a poll, but we need to determine which side Pet Sounds is on (or if it goes both ways, which might make it more difficult to choose!)
So far, I have the count as 13 pre, 11 post, and 3 folks who (quite correctly, I'd have to say) refuse to choose. As an inveterate quantifier, I decided awhile back to average all of the album rankings that are here at the board just to see what that looked like: Pet Sounds 4.89, Today 4.65, Sunflower 4.61, Friends 4.39, SD/SN 4.34; All Summer Long 4.31, Wild Honey 4.21, Love You 4.21, Holland 4.21, Surf's Up 4.10; Surfer Girl 4.04, 20/20 4.01, Smiley Smile 3.94, TWGMTR 3.91, Shut Down v2 3.68; CATP 3.49; Surfin USA 3.47, Little Deuce Coupe 3.37, Stack o'Tracks 3.36, Party 3.35; LA 3.12, Surfin Safari 2.80, MIU 2.80, BB85 2.51, 15 Big Ones 2.47; Keepin' the Summer Alive 2.43, Still Cruisin' 2.32, Summer in Paradise 1.38 (!!) Haven't found that ranking displayed here before, apologies if it's been done already...but it's an interesting list and it leads to another perspective for this thread. If we average the scores of the pre-PS LPs and the scores of the post-PS LPs up to Holland (with PS left out of both groups), we get the following averages: pre-PS (including Party): 3.78 post-PS (including Stack'o'Tracks): 4.04 [post-Holland: 2.79] (Party and Stack'o'Tracks have virtually the same scores, so this just lowers the average a bit, and doesn't change the comp.) So, by the voters here who ranked the LPs individually, the post-PS material is deemed to be better, but just by a little bit. Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: AndrewHickey on December 29, 2012, 04:37:29 AM Don, where's Still Cruisin' in your list? Suspect that one may affect the balance somewhat...
Title: Re: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: harrisonjon on December 29, 2012, 05:06:51 AM I have inserted the poll. To clarify: 1966 is excluded, no Pet Sounds.
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Don Malcolm on December 29, 2012, 07:21:08 AM Oops, sorry for the omission...I've dropped Still Cruisin' back into the list in the earlier post. It's another low scorer (just 2.32).
I had three categories (pre-PS, SS-Holland, post-Holland), which work out as shown up above (post-Holland dips a bit more with SC in the mix, from 2.85 to 2.79). Breaking it out to match the poll (62-65, 67-present), however, produces different results: 62-65: 3.78; 67-present: 3.42. After Holland, there are only three LPs rated over 3 out of 5: Love You, LA, and TWGMTR. Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 29, 2012, 06:53:00 PM The stuff after Pet Sounds is the main reason I am a huge Beach Boys fan! I love the oldies too, but this is a no brainer for me!
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: I. Spaceman on December 29, 2012, 07:04:47 PM They're all oldies.
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: NHC on December 29, 2012, 08:50:40 PM Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: I. Spaceman on December 29, 2012, 09:01:57 PM That's durn right. Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: NHC on December 29, 2012, 09:57:04 PM That's durn right. But dadburn goodies Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 31, 2012, 06:39:20 PM They're all oldies. Well, somewhere along the line there is a seperate genre between oldies and classic rock or prog rock. I consider Pet Sounds a departure. But, yeah, I see your point. :) Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: bluesno1fann on June 20, 2014, 01:16:38 AM This is easy. I pick the post-1966 albums. The pre-1966 albums simply can't compare.
Here's a tougher scenario: 1978-1987 or 1989-1998. That is to say pre-Kokomo or post-Kokomo. 1978-1987 includes: MIU, LA, KTSA, BB '85 and "Chasin' The Sky". 1989-1998 includes: Still Cruisin', SIP, Stars & Stripes Vol. 1 and Salute NASCAR. Those lists are not complete by any means but you get the idea. I guess I would lean more toward the 1978-1987 myself. In that case, 1978-1987. Again, easy because of LA, the 85 album, and Chasin' The Sky. Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: kookadams on June 23, 2014, 11:47:34 PM Think I'll choose pre and post 1966 thanks. damn strait, you CANT break it up like that it aint right/ Id take 63 thru 73, ie surfin usa thru holland, theyre ALL phenomenal! Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: bluesno1fann on June 25, 2014, 01:53:18 AM In that case, 1978-1987. Again, easy because of LA, the 85 album, and Chasin' The Sky. Interesting that you like "Chasin' the Sky", considering it's worse than anything on SIP (yes, even remakes & "Summer of Love". At least they're funny). I'll take 1978-1987 because of M.I.U. & BB'85. Though post-Kokomo has good stuff too (if we also count TWGMTR).Really, I love Chasin' The Sky. I honestly see no problems with it. Post-Kokomo has (of decent value) Still Cruisin' Somewhere Near Japan Make It Big Soul Searchin' You're Still A Mystery At least half of the TWGMTR album Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: kookadams on June 25, 2014, 04:16:11 AM The redeeming quality of kokomo is carls voice. Anything with carls voice period. THE greatest voice in rock history along with dion, bobby darin and ray stevens before he became a tool for the tea party... it cant be said enough how brilliant and underrated carl was, along with being one of the greatest guitarists. I mean his licks on the surfin usa album are just as good as dick dale, chuck berry and all the other guitar heroes.
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: kookadams on June 25, 2014, 09:33:57 PM Yeah but you gotta understand that a good guitarist is a solid one which he was. NO guitarist could play AND sing like carl ,
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Summer_Days on September 20, 2014, 10:27:51 AM Goddammit, why can't I have a mix of both? Excluding Pet Sounds (1966), it's gotta be Today, Summer Days, Wild Honey, Friends, Sunflower, Holland and Love You.
Okay. I choose '62-'65. Close, though. All those crappy albums from the later '70s onwards really hurts '67-'12. Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: job on December 10, 2014, 10:51:22 AM Post...without a doubt.
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Michael Edward Osbourne on December 10, 2014, 01:09:35 PM Post, but I would really miss Party and Summer Days And Summer Nights. I could get on without Party, as fun as it is.
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on October 12, 2015, 11:36:12 PM '67 on, for SMiLE, BWPS and TSS alone. Im not a big fan of the old stuff anymore with the exception of Today
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Adult Child on February 21, 2017, 08:14:53 PM Bringing up another old topic again
Things I couldn't live without from Pre-66 Surfer Girl The Surfer Moon In My Room Don't Worry Baby The Warmth of the Sun Keep an Eye on Summer I Get Around Girls On The Beach Little Saint Nick Do You Wanna Dance? When I Grow Up (To Be a Man) Please Let Me Wonder I'm So Young Kiss Me, Baby She Knows Me Too Well In The Back Of My Mind Help Me, Rhonda Girl Don't Tell Me California Girls Let Him Run Wild You're So Good To Me Summer Means New Love The Little Girl I Once Knew I'm putting the SMiLE stuff in 1966. Even though technically SMiLE would've been 1967, 'Cabinessence', 'Wonderful' (Version 1), 'Child Is Father of the Man', 'Fire' (that's what I call it), 'My Only Sunshine', 'Our Prayer', most of 'Do You Dig Worms?', 'I'm In Great Shape', 'Barnyard', 'Look (Song For Children)', 'Holidays', 'Wind Chimes', a good bit of 'Heroes and Villains', and both the instrumental backing track & piano demo for 'Surf's Up' were all recorded by the end of 1966 (I'm pretty sure). Plus as a question it's much harder to choose if the SMiLE stuff is taken out of the picture. And that includes the 'Heroes and Villains' single. Things I couldn't live without from Post-66 Fall Breaks and Back to Winter (W. Woodpecker Symphony) She's Goin Bald Wind Chimes Wonderful Their Hearts Were Full of Spring Can't Wait Too Long Wild Honey Darlin' Friends Wake The World Busy Doin' Nothin' We're Together Again Walk On By Do It Again I Can Hear Music Cotton Fields I Went to Sleep Time To Get Alone Soulful Old Man Sunshine Barbara This Whole World All I Wanna Do Forever Our Sweet Window At My Window Cool, Cool Water Don't Go Near The Water Long Promised Road Disney Girls (1957) Feel Flows A Day In The Life of a Tree Til I Die (the Stephen Desper mix) Surf's Up Sail On, Sailor California Saga: California Funky Pretty (I could live without this one more than all the others on this list) Mount Vernon and Fairway (A Fairy Tale) California Feelin' (Brian demo) Had To Phone Ya Let Us Go On This Way Mona Johnny Carson Solar System The Night Was So Young I'll Bet He's Nice Airplane It's Over Now Still I Dream Of It (that piano demo) Brian's Back (if you squint enough to forget the irony and not listen too hard to the lyrics it's unbelievably beautiful) Good Timin' Endless Harmony Summer's Gone I've been sitting for 2 hours thinking about this. I knew it right from the beginning though. If you took 'Surf's Up' out of the post-66 catalog, I'd choose the pre-66 stuff. But with it, I choose the post-66 stuff. Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 21, 2017, 08:30:03 PM When I first became a fan 20+ years ago, I thought my liking 1967-onwards put me in the minority. I'm amazed that it appears that is not the case.
Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: Adult Child on February 21, 2017, 08:49:16 PM When I first became a fan 20+ years ago, I thought my liking 1967-onwards put me in the minority. I'm amazed that it appears that is not the case. The best of their early stuff (pre-66) has that innocence, that feeling of forever, that feeling of falling in love (for me anyway). And as beautiful as all of it is, it's a very youthful thing. It's like a dream. But those later records are a bit more realistic I think. There's a lot of depth in them, a sort of world-weariness in a lot of it but also frequent moments of magic. And those later records are also much more varied stylistically. My favorite record by far is Pet Sounds, and that 65-66 stuff is the most beautiful music ever made. But I listen to Surf's Up and Love You far more than those records. Also 20+ years ago I'd imagine most of the post-66 albums weren't in as good of critical standing as they have become. Title: Re: Poll: If You Could Only Keep the pre-1966 or post-1966 albums...? Post by: B.E. on April 28, 2018, 07:46:46 PM '67-77 is damn cool. '63-66 is otherworldly. Life changing. Endlessly inspiring. The most beautiful music ever made.
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