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PUT BRIAN'S 1975 ITBOMM PIANO DEMO ON THE BOX!!!!

HUH???

They closed the original topic so I opened a new one bro.

OK, bro.

What I was wundrin' was "ITBOMM PIANO DEMO". Just figured it out for all the fans learning code here. "In The Back Of My Mind piano demo".

Would love to know when we're going to get some actual info on this thing.  Has any new information leaked out? 

Nope  :'(
none, nodda, nothing

AGD is your source.

AGD's busy fighting off homophobes and trolls.

Actually it does seem that Andrew knows why the box has been delayed, and maybe if he were in a good mood he could share the status of said box with us??  ;D

Of course, anything unreleased and unbooted from 65-69 would be my number one pick for the boxset.

All the ingredients for a Peter Jackson epic ...

The one that really had me stumped was WDFFIL.  ;D

I think we need a bbtag here [acronym]title[/acronym] that automatically handles this stuff for us.

1) To Live Again
2) Big Sur - Alternate version
3) You've Lost That Loving feeling
4) Sound of free
5) I've got a Friend (Live version & instrumental track)
6) Out in the Country
7) Cuddle up (45 mix)

Thanks to some mad moderator I can't change my previous post. I hope In The Back Of My Mind (1975) gets a release, not Bugged At Ol' Man lol.

How one would say "Wonderful" after too much scotch?  :lol

that's how Louis Armstrong said it when sober  ;D

Let's see how long it takes our resident thought policeman - Aegir - to call you a racist for that remark.  ;D

Yikes, I'd better doublethink next time...

Okay now i'm the board laughingstock. You guys are a bunch of jerks.

 :violin ;)

That's a jerkist comment…

Yes!  ;D

I still love you Aegir (Over the top support ;D)

Well, this thread managed to stay on topic for, what, about six posts? Sort of.

Wondering how you folks think this from Stephen Desper...


I did go to the "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" thread and read all the posts. All I can say is that about 85% of the statements are just conjucture ... nothing in fact ... blah, blah, blah.  I'm not getting involved except to say that WIBNTLA is not a Beach Boy project and therefore would not be "PROPER" for an album produced by The Beach Boys.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,1203.1325.html

... might relate to the song's possible inclusion on the box set. I understand he was referring to a "new" album rather than a box set, and it's his opinion rather than a content decision-maker. It just made me wonder. Hopefully, we'll find out soon!

There are plenty of solo tracks on Beach Boys albums.

I guess Caroline, No doesn't belong on Pet Sounds then!

Most of my unreleased wish list for the box has a pretty slim chance of happening since the band act like Blondie and Ricky were never in the band now and Dennis gets almost swept under the rug.  That said, the top of my list includes high quality recordings of

1. Wild Honey (live with Blondie's lead vocal)
2. Hard Times
3. It's A New Day
4. Honkin' Down The Highway (with Billy's lead vocal)
5. Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again
6. California Feeling (with Carl's lead vocal)
7. Surf's Up - live 1971
8. I've Got A Friend - live
9. Big Sur (original version)
10. In The Back Of My Mind - demo

May refer to it being primarily a Dennis track.

That said, AGD reported a Dennis vocal part, Adam reported parts by Brian, Mike and Carl, so it would appear to be a band performance/recording.

AGD: "it was recorded as a BB track thus Brother hold the rights (well, right now Capitol)."

Maybe there're two versions in the vault and SWD is referring to a Dennis one, while Adam & AGD and others have heard a BBs version.

Maybe, but we don't go around shouting "HOMOPHOBE !" at random. More jocks than jerks, actually.

I like your list, Phoenix!   'Cept I'd replace 'Honkin'" with Brian's "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling", studio version of "We Got Love" and/or the 'fast' mix of "Rock & Roll Music" with the last verse intact.

Good list indeed Mr Phoenix add Carry Me Home onto that list and I'll die slightly happier.

Good call!  I left "We Got Love" off because the version I have is pretty decent but so is "Big Sur" and since I'm greedy for that one in HQ, I might as well have the other one too.  :)  I'd have to bump off the demo tho because I tend to just regard them as curiosities more than album tracks and Billy's vocal on "Honkin'..." makes a difference of night and day on that song.  I finally got it after years of searching and couldn't believe how much I liked it over Al's version.  (...And I love me some Al Jardine!  ;D )


And oh yeah.  I forgot about "Carry Me Home".  It would definitely be in the next batch on the list!

I forgot "Carry Me Home" too!  That one and the alternate slow version of "Big Sur" are must-haves!

It wasn't random, it was a misinterpretation, which I've apologized for multiple times. I hadn't even posted in this thread and you still felt the need to make fun of me.

It was pulled from Surf's Up. Not a BB project ?  :)

SonoraDick was quoting SWD direct from his thread. Here's a longer extract for more context:


The way I read that, SWD's implication is that WIBNTLA couldn't have been pulled from SU as it was never a contender for inclusion.

Two other tracks I'm hoping for are the BB demo of River Song and the early alternate version of Add Some Music To Your Day.

Don't worry pal, Phil will be back some day.


On another note I've heard some alternative lead vocals for 'Honkin Down The Highway' and I always thought it was Dennis in the beginning of the song. Then the voice became very unlike any of the Beach Boys and I wondered if it was some fan trolling me by adding his own vocals. That is confirmed to be Billy? May I ask why he was considered for a lead on that song?

It's confirmed to be Billy Hinsche. He said so himself.

No idea why Brian chose him originally (maybe just because he happened to be there?) but Billy has said it was Landy's decision that his vocal should have been replaced.

Always thought Billy did a better job on that song than Al did.

Another song that I'd like to see the light of day is "Back Home" from 1963.  Or maybe the 1970 version.

I've only heard the alternate version of "Add Some Music" in somewhat inferior quality (Get The Boot). Wonder if a better quality tape exists. Same with "Back Home" '63. 

I miss my thread

What I like so much about Billy's vocal on "Honkin'..." is that even in the sh!tty quality in which I've heard it, he makes the song sound like a really slick Pop song, while Al's rendering gives it a little too much of a country flavor for my tastes.  I think the only Beach Boy (at the time of its recording) that would have been able to give it the same feel would have been Carl, and even he probably would have had a little too much "soul" and therefore taken it in another direction.  Maybe Brian chose Billy because he's made his career singing "simple pop songs".  If so, he nailed it because it was a prefect fit.  It's a shame the vocal was replaced but with Billy not being a full member, we may have never originally heard the song had it NOT been redone.  Either way, I really wish the powers-that-be would put it out somehow (maybe some sort of Rarities collection) so I could hear it in good quality.

1.California Feelin 74
2. In the Back of My Mind 75
3. Wouldnt it be nice to live again
4. You've lost that Lovin' Feelin
5. Anything from the early to mid 70s that is unbooted

+1

I'm really hoping that some songs on this set will be laid out like this:

1) Still I Dream of It (demo)
2) Still I Dream of It (studio session)
3) Still I Dream of It (2012 remaster)

So we'll get some demos, studio chatter, maybe alternate takes, and remasters of these songs....all in chronological order.

Getting Back to Drip Drop on YouTube...is that a Brian Wilson solo track or not?

Same here, but "In the Back of My Mind" 75 would be my number one.

There was no intention of that session as being for a Brian solo project - if deemed fit for release it would have been on a Beach Boys record - but there are no other Beach Boys on the track - at least not vocally.

Is there a list somewhere of solo tracks on Beach Boys albums?  I would like to know what they are.  I agree with SonoraDick...solo tracks should be kept on solo albums.

I have a boot somewhere of "Still I Dream Of It" that has a MUCH cleaner and sonically better (closer generation to the master?) version than what was released on the IJWMFTT CD!  I think Dumb Angel has a version on there that's better than the released. Or maybe it's on the "Still I Dream Of It" Japanese CD - can't remember.Hard to believe they couldn't find a better version for release. One instance where the boot is better!

For your salivation purposes:

http://esquarterly.com/bellagio/vaults.html

Courtesy of Bellagio, this was posted on the old thread - a list of unreleased BB and solo tracks. The mind boggles....

I was actually going to mention how I wish they could clean up the home demo from IJWMFTT, but I figured that's the best quality they could get!

:thud

I would pay big money for a set that included all of these songs...

ps...thanks for linking that EgoHanger

All the mid-to-late eighties Brian solo listings look really cool - I mean, you can't tell much by a title, but.....if AGD is reading this - how much of that was actually demo'ed or recorded?

Yep, the circulating version of that demo session sounds much better than the one track used in the IJWMFTT soundtrack. The demo session sounds like it was professionally recorded, very well possibly in an actual studio (with in-line vocal and piano mics; in other words, it's not like a cassette deck just set on top of a piano at home). The entire demo session deserves to be released. Sure, there is some slight dreck ("Mona", "Love is a Woman"), but the demos of "Still I Dream of It" and "It's Over Now" are great, and hearing the bystanders (Mike at least is audible; some of his comments are very interesting) in awe of stuff like "Airplane", "I'll Bet He's Nice", and "Let's Put Our Hearts Together" is great.

The one track on the IJWMFTT soundtrack sounds so inferior that I actually wouldn't be surprised if they actually purposely made it sound worse to make it sound more like a scratchy "home demo." Pure conjecture of course, but it literally sounds like the higher quality tape if you dubbed it to cassette about five generations down.

Anyone know what this boot is called? I'd love to get a hold of these high quality Love You demos.

"Brian Loves You".

Thanks. I have that one, but I've never noticed Mike's talking in it. Maybe I just didn't listen close enough.

To think of the things they could so to us with this box set.... It's scary. Will the Boys use their powers for good or evil? What, exactly, is their intention? Who is their intended audience?


Will it be the last word from the vaults, or will more trickle out over time?
 ???

I think everybody will be very happy when it comes out sooner than you'd think but not as soon as we'd hope for.

Things like the demo session talked about above are great, but I feel as if they should remain officially unreleased. It's not like The Beach Boys would be proud of them in 2012, and we have them in more than acceptable quality, it's not hard to find....and also I think it's kind of cool for the community to have underground things that just stay that way.

Dumb Angel Rarities Vol. 3 also has the Love You demos in pretty good quality.

There are just quick bits where you can hear Mike. He tells Brian after "Airplane" that he (Mike) wants the lead, and jokes that he'll quit the group of Brian doesn't give him the lead. After another song, Mike mentions somethi.ng that "those last two were motherf***ers. Mike (and it sounds like some others) just audibly get really excited during the middle of "I'll Bet He's Nice."

What this tape shows is that, in the right context, unguarded and not in public, Mike and the others did appreciate Brian's music, even the "non-commercial" stuff. That tape is the main item that makes me think Mike *can* appreciate great music, great chord changes, etc. even if they aren't "commercial" by some arbitrary standard.

Thanks Mikie! I'll try to find that.

@HeyJude: Thanks for transcribing! Shame that enthusiasm didn't carry over after the release.

Neither do the two instrumentals! >:D

On my phone, can`t quote.   In response to the post about Love appreciating the non commercial stuff in private, I`ll Bet He`s Nice wasn`t really that out there. With more "mainstream" 70s disco or soft rock instrumentation, it could have been a huge hit.

Bonus downloads to anyone who wants them of Brian's mixes of "15 Big Ones", "Love You", The original mix of "BB85" and as a bonus, "Summer in Paradise" with all the reverb taken off the drums and the phase effects taken off the vocals and a bonus track of Brian listening to "Summer of Love" giving a running commentary of his opinions of it.. :lol

More of the live stuff from Hawaii '67 – and I wouldn't complain if it was both shows in their entirety with bonus rehearsals and studio overdubs - wouldn't go amiss.

Not to mention "Diamond Head" from Friends. And now while we're at it, is there any proof that any Beach Boys besides Brian appear on "Busy Doin' Nothin'"?

These shows are historic, but bit sloppy as well. I would love to see what Mark Linett and Alan Boyd could do with these shows and the studio rehearsals. Maybe make twofer with the 1966 "live in michigan", which is the full document of the group without Brian for better or worse.

They woulda been far more commercial without the Love You production style. Also many of the leads and harmonies are shaky at best. This doomed the album to some extent. I love it to pieces.

The "I'll Bet He's nice" demo is a fascinating listen and it's one of the reasons I love the song so much. I love the released version but the piano/vocal rendition really shows the raw strength of the song and gives a short but interesting insight into that moment in time. I'm not sure who was present and who I'm hearing (beyond Brian playing/singing and the parts that are clearly Mike) but Brian delivers a fantastic performance and there's an audibly gleeful reaction from those present when he hits the middle eight.

Some of the group must have found the 70's a frustrating and disappointing period with Brian, as he withdrew from active participation and song writing (at least in terms of providing songs for the group -  who knows what he might have been writing). Brian returned, and the boys sang on an album of somewhat strange covers after a much longed for comeback. Roll on a few months, and Brian belts out this heartbreakingly beautiful song with a powerful but hauntingly painful melody full of anguish and then a middle eight of desperate pleading. It's hard not to think of this as being directly written about Marilyn, give the inevitable difficulties of their relationship. To me, the demo conveys emotion way beyond the produced version. I'm left with an impression of a man desperately unhappy that this relationship may be failing, comparing himself unfavourably with other men, unable to deal with his emotional pain and illness, pleading with his wife to stay with him yet almost accepting the inevitability that ultimately she will leave. It may not be autobiographical but it certainly gives me the impression that it is. I can imagine Brian's friends and band mates hearing this for the first time with all of the understanding and insight they would have, being in awe of the song itself but with an even deeper sense of understanding about where it came from and being astounded at the performance. Whoever is present at the demo recording (it may only be Mike), but I think there are comments  like "Oh my god" as he's almost cheered on through the middle eight. I think that's what we can here from the demo, but I could be totally and utterly wrong!

I agree that it shows a supportive and appreciative Mike Love with good taste, which is almost unrecognisable from the unpleasant, bullying presence with little appreciation of Brian's talents that some have portrayed him as throughout the years.

If you listen to the full tape, with the songs presented in the correct order, it becomes evident that 1) Brian was very nervous, fluffing the lyrics and the chords badly in places and 2) the band reaction to the first few (personal) songs was, to be polite, muted: more honestly, they were likely thinking "WTF ?". Brian realised this, and played "Airplane" for laughs, evoking at least a laugh, and this loosened him up enough to hit "I'll Bet He's Nice" out of the park. Years of boots presenting the songs in the wrong order have obscured the fact that this demo presentation session was very nearly a disaster (for Brian).

That's very  interesting - thanks for that. I've never listened to these tracks as a complete  tape, and I didn't even know that they were a complete recording. I'm not sure I've got anything complete, or correctly ordered but I'll check and see what I've got. It sounds like the context that preceded "I'll Bet He's Nice" was pretty crucial to it's reception.

Yeah, never realized that before, AGD. Thanks for that.  :)

Good post by El Mole too!

What was the correct order

Can't recall which one, but following one demo, there's a screaming silence, then Brian saying "well... there's another one"... and following "Little Children" Mike comments "nice... spiritual song". I think he was kidding, to judge from his tone. Oh, and his croonerizing of the first verse of "Airplane" brings to mind the way he futzes up the end of the 1974 "California Feeling".

Anyhoo, I doubt that these demos will make it to the new box.

I always pictured "California Feeling" '74 as having a similar style at the end based on the descriptions we've been given. Good to know. ^_^

Also, I kinda miss that "croonerizing" on the final version of "Airplane".

 :'(

I don't really know how "some" got that picture. Mike always expresses his admiration of Brian's talents. It seems like Mike has less understanding of Brian's personal problems though.

I think he also is frustrated by Brian's personal problems too, because he misses his friend, the guy Brian was before the onset of a lot of these problems.

Absolutely. Check out some of the photos from the early days with the two of them clowning around and mugging for the camera, that guy is loooong gone.

Thanks for that cool little bit of info. I often wonder if a day will come when you run out of interesting pieces of information to tell us.  ;D Just out of curiosity, do you know how long the full tape is? From what I've heard it can't really be much longer than a half hour, unless there is a lot more to the tape. I've always thought it was odd that the version of Still I Dream of It on the bootlegged tape sounded much better than the version released officially.

Nope - I'll just keep on making it up, as I have the last few years.  :old

Has the entire tape leaked to the public.  How many songs are on it?  I've only heard a couple of tunes including I'll Bet He's Nice.  Despite the fact that from your description, it sounds like it was a trainwreck, I'd love to hear the tape in it's entirety.

IIRC, he plays Little Children, Airplane, I'll Bet He's Nice, Let's Put Our Hearts Together, Mona (full of mistakes, bless) and Love Is A Woman, but that's not looking at my itunes and I don't think i've seen a proper order.

Not a trainwreck per se, but Brian seems very nervous throughout and keeps making mistakes.

Also "Still I Dream Of It" and "It's Over Now" - those two aren't performed at all well, and the reception was... frosty.

Can we be sure people were in the room at all times? I don't recall any kind of presence at all on a few of those songs sans Brian. Like... if they weren't into them, I'm sure they would've given some kind of reaction instead of just sitting there silently staring at Brian like "What the f*** was that?"

Also, isn't one take of "It's Over Now" fairly trainwrecky while the 2nd take is pretty decent?

I thought the It's Over Now (with one awful take/the good one)/Still I Dream of It demos were from a different session, but I guess not? They sound different to the other songs.

As I best recall, this is the order of the demos:

It's Over Now
Little Children
Still I Dream Of It
Love Is A Woman
Mona
Airplane
Let's Put Our Hearts Together
I'll Bet He's Nice

unless my copy is edited together from a different session, mine starts out with brian asking if the recorder is on then he plays that special feeling followed by i'm begging you please then the lineup andrew just posted.

"Beggin'..." dates from two years later (and is in stereo on every version I've heard) while "TSF" is from fall 1976, it's not from the 'demo presentation' session (AFAIK).

ok...sounds right.....that was just the song lineup on that tape from ages ago...

Good to know, as always!

Reminds me of the motto at my former place of employment  - a newspaper:
"If we don't have the facts, we'll make 'em up!"

I don't understand why the demo of I'll Bet He's Nice wouldn't be included. It's nearly better than the album version, and almost everyone I know (whom isn't familiar with much of this band's discog) agrees

It's not really an essential song by any stretch of the imagination. It's not one of those tunes where the compilers are going to be saying, "We need a version of I'll Bet He's Nice on the box!".

That demo truly shows the genius behind that song. If this is a career spanning boxset, it wouldn't be a bad thing to use this to showcase Brian's brilliance during the mid 70s.

Oh, yes it is.

For the sake of discussion...why do you feel that way? I do like the song and the demo, and it is very cleverly constructed and arranged, but I just don't see it as essential to be included in a career spanning compilation. I do feel that way about The Night Was So Young and Honkin' Down The Highway - they are kind of like gateway drugs into the rest of Love You.

Honkin' is amazing, but a guilty pleasure. I'll Bet He's Nice is one of the finest examples of Brian's facility with a pop melody. A gorgeous construction. That is why it was included on the first career spanning box.

Jesus, can this thing come out already..

At least let us pre-order or something

maybe it'll be released digitally on beachboyscentral.com

get it?

Gah, the only way I'm getting this any time soon is if I get it as a gift for Christmas. But looks like that's not an option :(

I sure hope there's a good reason for the delay.

You guys are all being such Phil Cohens

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Hur hur hur... he said "straight".  :ahh :ahh :ahh :ahh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OvMZT2zfy0

relevant!

AGD, Thought you might know - is no news good news re this project? Still on track for April or have I missed something?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15052.0.html (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,15052.0.html)

Still no real news on the set then?

It's disappointing not to have heard anything. I'm tipping a pre-Xmas release at this stage, but hopefully I'm wrong and we'll have a track list and official release date by the end of March. Is the box showing up on the Capitol release schedule yet?

I'm waiting patiently for the full 50th tour on cd and dvd.     And I'm waiting for a new all encompassing box set.  I haven't bought the 20 song version of the tour on dvd because I already have a suitcase fulll of redundant Beachboys releases.

On the other hand, having been to one of the 50th shows, I would like to SEE the concert/s again.

If this is all we are going to get, I'll, of course buy it.  But am I to believe, or accept that after all of the hoopla, that this is IT?

How many times have we bought one release, only to discover that another release has additional songs etc? 

I only hope that after the wait, that if a better package comes, it will have been worth the wait.

I don't think it is nice to toy with the bedrock fanbase.   
Some of us are as old as the band and won't be here if they wait too long.

WAIT TOO LONG CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG BABY CAN'T WAIT TOO LONG

..............

Maybe I'll make my own updated and comprehensive boxset.  The more I think about it, I suspect I have all of the released material and enough boots to do a bang up job of a nice 10 cd mix.

The powers that be better get busy with a nice professional box with superb graphics and packaging.

OR ELSE!!  ;)

Perhaps I should add a disclaimer that this is in no way a threat.  I do not own a recording device and have no inernet access. I

 That "River Song" demo from 1973 or 74 has more prominent guitar in the mix. This tune SHOULD have been the logical extension from "Sail On Sailor". Must be included.

  What time of the year do The Beach Boys always release new product?  Summer of course. I predict MIC will see the light of day sometime between May and August.

You won't ever get a legit DVD release of a full show from last year's tour. It's simply not financially possible for them to release one. It's not a matter of them toying with the fans or anything like that, it's a matter of the massive publishing cost to include those songs on a DVD.

A CD is perfectly plausible, but if you want a legit concert DVD, then the one that came out last year is as close as you're ever going to get, and it's not the fault of anyone in the Beach Boys' organisation, but just the way copyright law works at the moment. The songs they performed last year won't start going out of copyright for another 45 years yet (or 70 years after the death of the last songwriter on the song for the handful of post-1978 songs they played) and until then it would cost the DVD producers roughly $10,000 extra for every extra song they added to the DVD -- much more than that in the case of the really popular ones.

There is another DVD coming out at the end of the year, but that's going to be a documentary, with backstage/interview footage as well as songs, and only two hours long, so while it may have a few different songs on from last year's DVD, it will probably have the same or fewer.

hi don...just be sure to thank your source for a good part of those boots......  ;)

oh God they took donald, and EMI are also spamming me with threats because of me posting EMI material o youtube.

The end is nigh!

So, going on a messageboard and insulting a huge label like EMI by accusing them of "spamming" you, after willfully admitting to posting copyrighted material owned by EMfuckingI is the logical next step in rectifying the situation?  :lol

Always?  Nope.

Greatest Hits Vol. 3, Best of the Brother Years, came out in February 2000.
Hawthorne, CA Rarities comp was May 2001.
Good Timin' Live at Knebwoth came out November 2002.
Warmtn of the Sun comp was May 2007.

And when it comes to box sets:
Pet Sounds Sessions - Nov. 4, 1997
Smile Sesisons - Nov. 11, 2011

Not always no, but the last career spanning box set was released in June