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Title: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Ron on May 30, 2012, 12:17:29 AM
Alright, somebody gimme some good Sequel songs.  The Sequel song is where a songwriter writes a big hit, usually a novelty song, then can't resist trying to have another big hit with a song that continues the story, or whatever.

I don't even know if anybody does this anymore, it may have been unique to the 50's/60's.  Anyways, two sets that come to mind are:

Marty Robbins - El Paso

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgI5DMVegIk&feature=related

Marty Robbins - El Paso City

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN0Jp7FV_cs

The first time I heard "El Paso City"... I couldn't believe how good it was.  He pulled it off!  It's so ridiculous to think that somebody could write a sequel to a song, but he did, made it completely different, made it interesting, and made it catchy.  I don't think I've ever heard a better 'sequel'.




Another set, though, that's awesome (but not really that great) would be Jimmy Dean's Big John

"Big Bad John"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myQ1UvJiv78

and then the sequel was called "The Cajun Queen"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23zRerieZxg

A lot of people have either never heard this song, or can't stand it because it ruins the first song.  Anyways.  I always thought this type of thing was fascinating.  





Title: Re: Good \
Post by: onkster on May 30, 2012, 09:57:43 AM
I kinda like Squeeze's sequel to "Tempted", which is called "Loving You Tonight". It's nice, if a bit bland. But Paul C sings a good lead, and I suppose it's good middle-aged pop.

Not so big on their sequel to "Up the Junction". I can't even remember its title.

Macca has a kind-of sequel called "Return to Pepperland", which is good, if a bit slight...but unreleased.

Buddy Holly's "Peggy Sue Got Married" is at least as good as "Peggy Sue".


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on May 30, 2012, 10:00:02 AM
I have a (Japanese bootleg) cd full of these. It has the original song, and then one (or more) answer song back to it.

This is one of my favorites - an answer song to The Lion Sleeps Tonight. It's REALLY suggestive for the early 60s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j58bGEeVgfo

(edit: I'm referring to songs NOT written/recorded by the original artist. Not sure if you're only looking for answer songs by the original artist)


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: onkster on May 30, 2012, 11:15:26 AM
Somehow I don't think it's answer songs our poster is looking for here.

But an example of that would be "Jukebox" by The Flirts, for "I Love Rock'n'Roll" by Joan Jett.


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Summertime Blooz on May 30, 2012, 11:00:06 PM
3 hit songs with sequels that come to mind:
Lesley Gore- It's My Party- Judy's Turn To Cry
David Bowie- Space Oddity- Ashes To Ashes
Harry Chapin- Taxi- Sequel (clever title,huh?)


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 21, 2014, 10:47:53 PM
Was listening to NRBQ today & when "Me & the Boys" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7kiKv2cv8M) started playing, I immediately thought of this thread. It doesn't sound like/isn't a sequel to Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Want to Have Fun", but it also tells about freedom & careless spirit of fun times together, only now the song centers around boys. The backing track is top-notch, I like the reverbs, the lead guitar &, of course, Terry's vocal. The coolest mo' is at around 1:39. (Btw, there is another common thing about Cyndi & NRBQ - both invited a famous wrestler Captain Lou Albano, former for her videoclip & the band hired him as their manager & even wrote a song about Lou (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp4U85rbxR4). Very catchy.)

British band "Kaleidoscope" (don't mix with the US one of same name, which I also very like) recorded a song about fictional girl Jenny Artichoke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNYfju5CYJ0) after hearing Donovan's "Jennifer Juniper". Again, no musical similarity, it's odd compare the 2, but anyway, my choice is Kaleidoscope. It's such a fantastic song & I dig Peter Daltrey's voice. Those into Syd Barrett & young Mick Jagger would be pleased to hear this singer.

edit: Just read the allmusic article of "Me & the Boys" where the author cited "Fun, Fun, Fun" as another example of youthfulness in lyrics. Minor, but nice connection all the same.


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: JK on April 22, 2014, 02:09:45 AM
This is a sequel with a difference. James "Shep" Sheppard co-wrote "A Thousand Miles From Home" for The Heartbeats in 1957:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOdMs1BrrA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOdMs1BrrA)

Four years later, fronting Shep & The Limelites, he scored a massive US hit with "Daddy's Home":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGla91-qmk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGla91-qmk)

The YouTube blurb is helpful...


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on April 22, 2014, 03:22:36 AM
The Moody Blues - "Your Wildest Dreams ", sequel - "I Know You're Out There Somewhere".


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: JK on April 22, 2014, 04:18:46 AM
In 1961 Gary "U.S." Bonds scored a #5 hit with "School Is Out". He followed it up that same year with "School Is In", which only got as far as #28.      


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Lowbacca on April 22, 2014, 11:39:41 AM
That time when Buddy Holly's flame got married.


... and all those twists Chubby Checker twisted.




P.S. Please arrange for a more telling thread title. :P


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Rocker on April 22, 2014, 11:47:36 AM
I don't know if this would count as a sequel (probably not). Plus it's not by the same writer.

Johnny Cash wrote "Don't take your guns to town" in which a certain Billy Joe got shot. Charlie Rich wrote a song for Jerry Lee Lewis (the b-side to "Let's talk about us") called "The ballad of Billy Joe" that has the killer (no pun) of Billy Joe tell his side of the story.


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Lowbacca on April 22, 2014, 12:03:57 PM
I don't know if this would count as a sequel (probably not). Plus it's not by the same writer.

Johnny Cash wrote "Don't take your guns to town" in which a certain Billy Joe got shot. Charlie Rich wrote a song for Jerry Lee Lewis (the b-side to "Let's talk about us") called "The ballad of Billy Joe" that has the killer (no pun) of Billy Joe tell his side of the story.
Nice one! You're in the (Killer) zone. 8)


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Sheriff John Stone on April 22, 2014, 02:30:24 PM
"Shut Down" > "Shut Down, Part II"


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: joshferrell on April 22, 2014, 03:39:08 PM
Bear cat, Hound dog
revolution, revolution 1 and revolution #9
Catch a wave, Sidewalk surfer
heroes and villains 1 and 2


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Ron on April 26, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
This is a sequel with a difference. James "Shep" Sheppard co-wrote "A Thousand Miles From Home" for The Heartbeats in 1957:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOdMs1BrrA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOdMs1BrrA)

Four years later, fronting Shep & The Limelites, he scored a massive US hit with "Daddy's Home":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGla91-qmk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIGla91-qmk)

The YouTube blurb is helpful...

Yeah!  I've heard these before.  At the end, the guy goes "I'm not a Thousand Miles Awaaayyyyy!"  Pretty great stuff.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Ron on April 26, 2014, 10:39:07 PM
Here's a couple pretty good ones since somebody bumped the thread. 

In 1952, Hank Thompson had a big hit called "The Wild Side of Life"... with the line

"I didn't know God made Honky Tonk Angels; I might've known you'd never make a wife"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xgOAc3lZg


Hank's song came out... and spent FIFTEEN WEEKS at #1!

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So a couple months later, Kitty Wells released "It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Ikl-y_rZA


Her song became the first Billboard #1 for a female country singer, and ended up outselling the original massive hit by Hank Thompson. 






Title: Re: Good \
Post by: Ron on April 26, 2014, 10:49:36 PM
... and all those twists Chubby Checker twisted.

Definately!  I always liked the dichotomy of "The Twist" and "Slow Twistin". 

"The Twist" was basically written, because the songwriters thought they'd make a fortune if they wrote a dance song where the kids didn't touch... beacuse their parents would support it and buy them the record. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbK0C9AYMd8

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So fast forward 2 years, and He and Dee Dee Sharp do "Slow Twistin"... which is basically about having sex.  WTF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCO4sRLzsGk

Dee Dee can't twist worth a damn.  Chubby twists so good they cut the camera so it doesn't show his hips, LOL!  AWESOME VIDEO

If you listen close at the end, the lyrics go "Cause the feelin' you gimme when you do the shimmy shimmy...."

Folks it doesn't get much better than that.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Ron on April 26, 2014, 11:00:23 PM
edit: double post


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Lonely Summer on April 26, 2014, 11:55:45 PM
Four Tops, "I Can't Help Myself", and "It's the Same Old Song".


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Rocker on April 27, 2014, 04:01:03 AM
Speaking of Chubby Checker and the Twist.... would this be a sequel to the Beach Boys' "Wipe out" ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNT-sc1ymEM


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Moon Dawg on April 27, 2014, 06:41:09 AM
  Chuck Berry

 "Johnny B Goode" then "Bye Bye Johnny"     "Memphis TN" then "Little Marie"     "Tulane" then "Have Mercy Judge"


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Please delete my account on April 27, 2014, 09:59:18 AM
Shirley Ellis's "The Nitty Gritty" was then footnoted with the follow-up "That's What The Nitty Gritty Is"

The reaction to Jeffrey Lewis's "The Last Time I Took Acid I Went Insane" (people offering him acid) prompted a sequel song "No LSD Tonight"

"Louise" by the Human League is apparently a sequel to their "Don't You Want Me", set four years later.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Rocker on April 27, 2014, 02:04:55 PM
Little Junior Parker's "Feel so bad" probably define's a sequel song pretty good, too. The original being his "Feelin' good".


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Orange Crate Art on April 27, 2014, 02:28:44 PM
How about The Bobbettes 'Mr. Lee' and 'I Shot Mr. Lee'?


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: EgoHanger1966 on April 27, 2014, 03:16:56 PM
I'm surprised none of us thought of the whole string of songs that Lesley Gore did. 

"It's My Party" - 1963

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsYJyVEUaC4

Lesley crying at her birthday party because her boyfriend Johnny slipped out the door with Judy.

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"Judy's Turn To Cry" - 1963


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvPO2gJU4aI

Johnny comes back.

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"Maybe I Know" - 1964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ1gpwJbNpI

Johnny's cheating.  BTW this live video is fantastic.

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"You Don't Own Me" - 1964

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDUjeR01wnU

Lesley finally wises up, and wants to date other boys.  BTW another fantastic live performance.

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Maybe I Know came after You Don't Own Me, so this doesn't really make much sense. Also, I think the whole "Johnny" thing ended with "Judy's Turn To Cry". You could make the case otherwise, but most of her songs from those first two years deal with teenage romance, so they fit in that mold regardless of intent.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Ron on April 27, 2014, 05:26:57 PM
Oh... O.k.  I'll delete those then.  Thanks!



Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on April 27, 2014, 10:01:47 PM
Maybe I Know came after You Don't Own Me, so this doesn't really make much sense. Also, I think the whole "Johnny" thing ended with "Judy's Turn To Cry". You could make the case otherwise, but most of her songs from those first two years deal with teenage romance, so they fit in that mold regardless of intent.
And of course those "Johnny" songs were already mentioned in this earlier post, don't know how it slipped out of your sight:

Lesley Gore- It's My Party- Judy's Turn To Cry


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: JK on May 03, 2014, 03:00:36 AM
Instrumentals are always good for sequels:
"Green Onions" and "Mo' Onions" by Booker T. and the M.G.'s
"Last Night" and "The Morning After" ("Ooooooooh, mah head!") by the Mar-Keys

And speaking of Dee Dee Sharp, there's also her own "Mashed Potato Time" and "Gravy (For My Mashed Potatoes)"


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Awesoman on May 04, 2014, 08:12:16 AM
"Return to Pooh Corner" - Kenny Loggins


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Rocker on June 03, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
I don't know if this would be a sequel. It surely isn't an answer song, I'd guess. Kinda like an updated (read: relocated) "Jailhouse rock"

Dixieland rock (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzBdCxK2wLk)


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on June 05, 2014, 04:12:21 AM
Hey, folks, you seem to forget the greatest example of sequel - Santa's Goin' to Kokomo! Never cared for it much until I heard today when it came on shuffle. Not better than its predecessor, but still fun, despite Ambha's irritating kid voice.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Lowbacca on June 05, 2014, 06:50:10 AM
"Judy is a Punk" => "Suzy is a Headbanger" => "Sheena is a Punk Rocker" ... => "Heidi is a Headcase"

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/e1f80e247489fd15edc10943d98e370f/tumblr_mwc5j6UgYi1ra5z79o1_500.gif)


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Aum Bop Diddit on June 05, 2014, 07:45:29 AM
"Judy is a Punk" => "Suzy is a Headbanger" => "Sheena is a Punk Rocker" ... => "Heidi is a Headcase"

(http://37.media.tumblr.com/e1f80e247489fd15edc10943d98e370f/tumblr_mwc5j6UgYi1ra5z79o1_500.gif)

"Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue"/"Carbona Not Glue!"  Showing the Ramones were willing to explore new vistas....  :drum


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 24, 2018, 01:36:42 AM
Read recently that Neil Sedaka's silly song "Oh Carol" is dedicated to Carole King. She answered back with "Oh Neil".

British band "Kaleidoscope" (don't mix with the US one of same name, which I also very like) recorded a song about fictional girl Jenny Artichoke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNYfju5CYJ0) after hearing Donovan's "Jennifer Juniper". Again, no musical similarity, it's odd compare the 2, but anyway, my choice is Kaleidoscope. It's such a fantastic song & I dig Peter Daltrey's voice. Those into Syd Barrett & young Mick Jagger would be pleased to hear this singer.
"Jenny Artichoke" by Kaleidoscope (UK) is definitely much better than "Jennifer Juniper".


Title: Re: Good \
Post by: JK on May 24, 2018, 05:12:03 AM
British band "Kaleidoscope" (don't mix with the US one of same name, which I also very like) recorded a song about fictional girl Jenny Artichoke (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNYfju5CYJ0) after hearing Donovan's "Jennifer Juniper". Again, no musical similarity, it's odd compare the 2, but anyway, my choice is Kaleidoscope. It's such a fantastic song & I dig Peter Daltrey's voice. Those into Syd Barrett & young Mick Jagger would be pleased to hear this singer.

Agreed, RR. That's a lovely album. I was introduced to it recently thanks to a wondrous list from across the road (scroll down to "The Keepers"):

http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/1427/thesupermetroids-obscure-album-discoveries-recommendations?page=1&scrollTo=63495


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 24, 2018, 04:58:48 PM
As I said in Obsessed by songs thread, I discovered Kaleidoscope (UK & US bands) way back in 2011. Posted songs by them in different years here as well. Strangely, nobody picked up those song posts or cared to listen. Familiar with many obscure albums in that linked PS thread too.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: JK on May 25, 2018, 03:05:36 AM
As I said in Obsessed by songs thread, I discovered Kaleidoscope (UK & US bands) way back in 2011. Posted songs by them in different years here as well. Strangely, nobody picked up those song posts or cared to listen. Familiar with many obscure albums in that linked PS thread too.

RR, there's a lot to digest here at Smiley so don't take it personally.

Yes, I'm having a great time going through that list--catching up on bits of my past that I missed at the time.

Many thanks to that person. :=)


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: Rocky Raccoon on May 25, 2018, 11:13:58 AM
Del Shannon – “Walk Away” (sequel to “Runaway” co-written with Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne)
https://youtu.be/O62_xeM3kqQ

George Harrison – “This Guitar (Can’t Keep from Crying)” (sequel to “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”)
https://youtu.be/dMzGx_pXP_k

Ben Folds – “Fred Jones, Part 2” (sequel to “Cigarette”)
https://youtu.be/znUsjNI34_4

Bruce Springsteen – “The Promise” (sequel to “Thunder Road”)
https://youtu.be/a7PhILCrtqs

The Kinks – “Destroyer” (sequel to “Lola”, also references “All Day and All of the Night”)
https://youtu.be/A5yuCwmf2fk


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: RangeRoverA1 on May 25, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
2JK: It's just funny bands & songs shared before got passed by when today the same bands/ songs suddenly catch attention.

George Harrison – “This Guitar (Can’t Keep from Crying)” (sequel to “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”)
https://youtu.be/dMzGx_pXP_k
George did better this time. But, "Here Comes The Moon" is lame. "Sun" would do.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: JK on May 26, 2018, 02:21:25 PM
2JK: It's just funny bands & songs shared before got passed by when today the same bands/ songs suddenly catch attention.

It makes sense to me. Things are quieter now and there are less posts to read. That's all, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Good Sequel Songs
Post by: JK on June 07, 2018, 05:57:05 AM
Barry McGuire's "Eve Of Destruction" is familiar enough but who else has heard the optimistic sequel, "Dawn Of Correction" by The Spokesmen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkGZKOgfOi4