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The Beach Boys and Brother Records proudly present“CALIFORNIA SAGA”The next chapter in the story of America’s Band

The Beach Boys and Brother Records proudly present
“CALIFORNIA SAGA”
The next chapter in the story of America’s Band

Over the last 50 years the Beach Boys have become the most successful band in American music history. As they celebrate that anniversary with a new album and an international tour their children come to together to honor that legacy and write a new chapter in this family band. “California Saga” is a band comprising of the historic bloodlines that fueled some of the greatest songs in the pop music songbook. With a rare vocal blend only possible in siblings the band explores the Beach Boys rarities catalog and brings to life songs that may never have been performed live before.

The band features:.

Carnie Wilson:
Brian Wilson’s daughter Carnie is a talented singer and television personality. In 1989 she co-founded with sister Wendy and friend Chynna Phillips the band “Wilson Phillips.” Their tight harmonies landed the band three #1 singles and six top 20 hits. Carnie hosted her own talk show and is in constant demand in various television projects including several popular reality TV series.

Wendy Wilson:
Brian Wilson’s daughter Wendy is also a founding member of the wildly successful band “Wilson Phillips.” With hits like “Hold On” and “Release Me” she has been nominated for four Grammy’s and has won the prestigious Billboard Music Award for hot 100 “single of the year.” Wendy is also a sought after television personality featured in several popular reality TV series.

Christian Love:
Mike Love’s son Christian is the quintessential beach boy. Since 2004 Christian has toured as a guitarist and vocalist in the Beach Boys. With a vocal styling reminiscent of the late Carl Wilson, Christian can be heard night after night singing the leads of songs like “Good Vibrations” and “Then I Kissed Her”. Christian has released several albums of original material over the years with his own band, “5 Alarm.” He is also an avid beach volleyball player competing as often as his tour schedule will allow.

Ambha Love:
Mike Love’s daughter Ambha frequently joins her dad on stage to add her bluesy sultry lead vocal to the Beach Boys 1973 hit “Sail On, Sailor.” Ambha currently studies drama and voice with aspirations of a professional singing career. She is also an avid equestrian.

Justyn Wilson:
Carl Wilson’s son Justyn bares a striking resemblance to his late father visually and spiritually engaging you with the same sweetness that was so transparent in his fathers performances on signature songs like “God Only Knows.” Justyn followed in his fathers footsteps with his own band “In Bloom” which found success on a regional basis and landed a song in a major motion picture. Justyn and his brother Jonah’s most proud accomplishment maybe the formation of the “Carl Wilson Foundation.” The brothers have produced several high profile events that raised over $500,000.00 dollars for the fight against cancer which claimed their dad in 1998.

Carl B. Wilson:
Dennis Wilson’s son Carl was also a founding member of the LA based band “In Bloom” which over the course of ten years found him performing at “Woodstock ‘99” and various other historic Los Angeles hot spots. Carl is currently busy co-producing an upcoming biopic called “The Drummer.” Due to be released in 2013 it is the fascinating story of the Beach Boys founding member, drummer, Dennis Wilson. He is also the proud father of two young sons

Matt Jardine:
Al Jardine’s eldest son Matt accompanied his father on tour many times throughout his childhood. Matt began his career in music working as an assistant road manager for The Beach Boys. After literally being called onstage to perform as a percussionist in the middle of a major tour, he was later asked to sing lead & back-up vocals & soon was singing & performing full-time as a touring member of The Beach Boys back-up band. He toured with The Beach Boys from 1991 through 1998 & sang on three of their studio albums. He worked briefly with Brian Wilson, toured extensively with Mike Love’s California Beach Band & is currently a member of Al Jardine’s Endless Summer Band. He sang on his father’s solo album, “A Postcard from California” with his father & music legends Glen Campbell, David Crosby, Neil Young & Brian Wilson. Earlier this year, Carnie & Wendy Wilson asked him to join Wilson Phillips on selected dates as a back-up singer & percussionist. He is currently working on a solo album and tours extensively with several bands. Matt’s incredible soaring falsetto has graced the stages of all the surviving Beach Boys bands at one point or another over the last decade.

Adam Jardine:
Al Jardine’s son Adam Jardine, is a songwriter & vocalist & tours extensively with his father’s Endless Summer Beach Band. As a child, he grew up spending his summers on the road with The Beach Boys & later sang background vocals on their album “Still Cruisin.” He has most recently recorded with his brother Matt on their father’s solo album “A Postcard from California”, which included musical greats Neil Young, David Crosby & Brian Wilson. When not on the road, he lives in Northern California with his wife & writes original music.

The band also features two noteworthy supporting musicians. Billy Hinsche who toured with the Beach Boys for decades and was the founder of the group “Dino, Desi and Billy” and Rob Bonfiglio a talented singer/songrwriter/guitarist who’s compositions can be heard in major and independent motion pictures and television. He has also produced a record called “Dedicated” for Wilson Phillips released on the Sony/Masterworks label. It was a labor of love that featured songs made famous by the trio’s parents.





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Adam Jardine and Billy Hinsche rehearsing


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Rob Bonfiglio on acoustic guitar and Carl B. Wilson rehearsing for our upcoming show at the Verizon Amphitheater in Irvine, Ca


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Carl B. Wilson, Matt Jardine and Justyn Wilson rehearsing "Little Bird" from the Beach Boys "Friends" album


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Matt Jardine singing vocal parts on the Beach Boys "Till I Die"


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Carl B. Wilson (Dennis Wilson's son) - Adam Jardine (Al Jardine's son) and Justyn Wilson (Carl Wilson's son) rehearsing "Friends"


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Carnie and Wendy Wilson with Matt Jardine discussing vocal parts on "I Can Hear Music"

Yeah, this isn't needed

Color me curiously interested...but I don't know how well it will go over.

that's interesting.  Pretty cool that they can all get together and do this. hopefully it comes together well for them

I like it! I've seen all of them perform live (except Ambha), and they all have real talent. They're opening for a couple of the BB's SoCal dates, so you lucky folks out there will likely get to see them join their parents onstage at some point.

Now if they would just add Hayleigh Love (the BB offspring who sounds the most like Carl) to that lineup....

Thumbs up for going with the rarities route...would love to hear "Little Bird" performed by anyone if done right...some points that it's the Wilson kids doing it.  I'd watch and I'm sure I'd enjoy.

Was there not an attempt to makes some sort of Beatles-Next Generation as well?

I think the world is cruel to assume the kids of all time great songwriters MUST make some career in music. Many of them are surely great musicians with very good voices, but it is the songwriting that is key, and I believe that it is statistically impossible for children to become proficient songwriters like their parents, especially if those parents are Beatles or Beach Boys.

However it will certainly be interesting to hear them. When the remaining Beach Boys snuff it (This assumption is false as Brian Wilson must be the toughest creature alive along with Keith Richards and would probably survive a nuclear fallout.  :bow) the kids might be the only way to hear these great tunes in any live setting.

It sounds cool. Nice they are going to do  some Friends stuff!

I think this is pretty damn cool and I would absolutely love to see them perform together.

I WONDER WHEN THEY WILL PLAY. Says upcoming show at Verizon in Irvine, where The Beach Boys are playing, I wonder if they'll open for them. Probably not, but that would be pretty sweet. I would enjoy seeing that. They could play all the deep cuts The Beach Boys can't because they gotta play the hits.

Hey, what's Matt holding in this picture?  :smokin

lololololol

Looks awesome! What's not to like? It's not like this group is getting together claiming to be amazing, groundbreaking artists...they just wanna sing some songs their dads wrote...hey, so do I, ... I'd pay to see them at least once.

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Whats Matt holding in this picture? :lol

So are they opening at the Bowl as well?

It appears so! http://www.facebook.com/calsaga

I'm pretty stoked that they're performing at the show I'm going to. I have high hopes. And if they're terrible, at least there's Wendy Wilson to look at. I wanna get my picture taken with her!

I just KNEW there was some way Billy was getting on that stage!

What? He's just about to sneeze due to violently masturbating.

Oh, you didn't know? Violent masturbation causes sneezing.

Really.

Cool!!!! I will be at the Irvine show!  Can't wait!

Christian could nail that. Always thought he sounded more like young Dennis than Carl.

Wow, this is pretty surreal.  It could end up sounding awesome.  Are they just doing Beach Boys covers or what?

Well I'm impressed!  And as an excuse to get even more rarities into a show, I'm all for it.

Now, if only there was a Marks kid or two who could join in...

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I just hope the Beach Boys won't drop the rarities now....

Great!! That's too cool, just wish they had got the ball rolling prior to the tour so they could have opened for their dads (on all the dates). I would've loved to seen them ;D

Also, I thought Wilson Phillips was trying to make their comeback, so how's that gonna work?

Considering four people from the Wilson Phillips tour are in California Saga, they'll have to work around WP's dates -- or else be WP's opening act...  :lol

Looks like some of WP's dates are coming up soon:
http://www.wilsonphillipsmusic.com/events

What's going on with this picture, too!? Carnie's? head looks like it is superimposed!

I would pay to go see this band for sure.

exciting news for sure.

let The Blend live on.

I think it is a really cool idea, if they want to sing those songs then good for them and if their voices can manage that Beach Boys blend then all the better.

I'm looking forward to what they can do.  It sounds like a great group with no kid left behind.  It's a win-win for me...they're doing some obscure cuts, songs that The Beach Boys themselves won't do--they've got that Wilson/Love blend....all good with me.  Even if they played small clubs instead of opening for their parents I'd probably go check them out.

Why did Christian and/or Matt opt out of the Beach Boys reunion tour/album, again?

I really can't wait to hear this. Rarities route or even some original songs, I'll take it. I bet it'll sound better than The Beatles son's..

I don't see why this could be anything but a good thing. They've all been involved with 'real' BB projects and tours already anyway--it's not like they are trying to replace the BBs, but to carry on a family/musical tradition. I'm all for it. And would love to hear it.

I don't think they were invited.

also, it's not mentioned in that press release but Rob Bonfiglio is Carnie's husband.

I think this is a nice idea and it's good to see their children have so much talent. They had to get them involved in the tour somehow and it's a nice touch.

Can someone try and take a video of their performances?

I haven't heard Justyn and Carl B. before so this will be interesting to me.

I'll be at the show in Irvine and definitely plan on filming a bit if security will let me get away with it. I got the package that's supposed to be in the first 20 rows so it might be harder, but I'mmmmmma try. I'll at least get 20 or 30 seconds, but it'll be on my phone so it might sound like garbage.  ;D

Here's the only examples of Carl & Justyn's old band In Bloom that I can find online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG6--lkvVXo

Sounds like the Pixies.

There is video out there somewhere of back in 2004 at a showcase we did at the Troubador with Carl B and Justyn singing Angel Come Home with a backing band of Bobby Figueroa, Hank Linderman, Robby Scharf, and Gary Griffin. Scott Bennett and Taylor Mills were also at that show as was David Marks doing their own thing. Someone shot video of the entire show but never saw anything surface on You Tube.

I'm really curious to hear this.  I think it has the potential to sound really spectacular, given the bloodlines involved. 

Wow. Justyn looks so much like Carl(circa 1971) that it's scary.  :o

Jonah looks more like his Dad... Justyn looks like uncle Brian circa 15 Big Ones

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It's funny if you look at these people. I don't know how much they are in contact but they know each other practically their whole life, even the ones that are not related. Just like their fathers. We'll see if that has some influence of the whole sound (spiritually)

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2012/may/31/beach-boys-children-are-forming-their-own-band/

Some good tidbits. They're performing a few songs with the band on Saturday and doing a 20 minute opening set on Sunday.
Carnie says two songs they'll be doing are Friends & 'Til I Die.
They're planning on doing more dates.
It was Jonah Wilson's idea to put together a group but he's too shy to get up and sing with them.
They apparently did a recording of Friends.
"There's a song called 'She's Goin' Bald' off 'Smiley Smile' that is the f------ coolest song ever," Carnie said.

Looking forward to hearing them.

This could be pretty cool. If they eventually record an album I hope it will consist of original songs and not the cover versions that we've had so many off.

Just out of curiosity - does Bruce have any children?

Bruce has 4 sons, one of which was once featured in an episode of Baywatch.

Hm... I wonder how long it will take before someone starts a 'include the children of Bruce, David, Blondie & Ricky in California Saga' petition!'  :-D

I'm all for an "Include Mike Love's 20 other children" petition.

Came in here to say that this is the best thing ever. Alas, I've been proven wrong...


This is the best thing ever.

From Billy Hinsche:


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CALIFORNIA SAGA - on the eve of their Hollywood Bowl debut ...

Anyone know if they are coming to Australia? I would love it. Also what are the reports on them so far like?

I think they sound really fantastic with their 2nd generation sibling & genetically related blend, they have their family's true soul and spirit and a deep affinity & connection with their parents' music. Justyn sounds amazingly like his father. To hear DEEP cuts like Friends, Anna Lee & Little Bird that have NEVER been performed live (the latter 2 anyway) is spine-tingling. :o

Facebook:

California Saga
ALERT! Public on sale is in two hours for next weeks show in Los Angeles. There are only a few tickets left after the American Express presale so be sure to log on at exactly noon! We will be taking audience questions and doing an interview for the Grammy archive as part of our show!

http://www.ticketmaster.com/American-Express-Presents-An-Evening-With-California-Saga-tickets/artist/1746769

From the Event info: 
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Beginning of dialog contentOver the last 50 years the Beach Boys have become one of the most successful bands in American music history. As they celebrate that anniversary with a new album and an international tour, their children come to together to honor that legacy and write a new chapter in this family band. California Saga is a band comprising of the historic bloodlines that fueled some of the greatest songs in the pop music songbook. With a rare vocal blend only possible in siblings, the band explores the Beach Boys rarities catalog and brings to life songs that may never have been performed live before. Featuring Carnie Wilson, Wendy Wilson, Christian Love, Ambha Love, Justyn Wilson, Carl B. Wilson, Marr Jardine and Adam Jardine, the band will be joined on stage by Vice President of the GRAMMY Foundation and MusiCares Scott Goldman for a rare interview and intimate performance. << 

Is Marr Jardine, Matt and Adam's sister? 

I missed out on tickets because a coworker was talking to me about his kids.  When I realized what time it was...it was 11 minutes after the hour and tickets were gone.

Juuuuuuuuuust great.

You can bet the scalpers didn't let anything get in their way....

Go back on Ticketmaster, there are tix back up onsale! ($34+ on a $20 face ticket, thanks to this lovely company)

You're a star!  Thanks so much for the heads up...just scored a ticket!

Is there a setlist available?

Maybe let's organize a Smiley Smile Board meetup there!

Yeah we should!...did anyone else get tickets?

It's a typo, R and T are right next to each other on a QWERTY keyboard.

Sure, I'll play: 
QIQ, tiy'ew eufgr!

I hope Mike doesn't sue them!

Just posted on the official site:

http://www.grammy.com/videos/grammy-museum-an-evening-with-california-saga

Great!

Is anyone able to rip these?

Whatever happened with this project? Did they split up? Record any material?

While the C50 fallout most likely wasn't the main factor in the "group's" apparent demise/hiatus, it certainly couldn't have helped. In several cases, the offspring of the band members (perhaps most notably Ambha Love) have been roped into online debates/arguments concerning various aspects of the band, Mike, and/or the C50 demise. I also wonder if it would have been another "reunion" tour leg that would have allowed the CalSaga band to have an easy/obvious avenue to do more shows.

I also think that the various members had/have varying degrees of interest in making music a major deal in their careers/lives.

They supposedly *did* do some amount of recording in some permutation. But the fact that a group of relatively well-off folks who also don't have apparent super busy music careers couldn't find time in the last five years to record an album or do even a single additional live gig tells me they're either not super interested, or do have other intervening life/career factors. It's probably some of all of the above.

That's unfortunate, I am on the look out for the post Brian/Mike BB days any year now and that would have been a nice group to support. I watched a few performances on YouTube and it seemed a little sloppy. Just ten people on stage all singing the same part of songs. I would have hoped for a nicer presentation but you're probably right, their heart wasn't in it I suppose.

I too don't think it's a stretch to surmise that the fallout of C50 might well have been a contributing factor to the non-momentum of this project. Another gift we can thank probably Mike and his ego for.

I do think this project was absolutely a conscious attempt by the next generation to help come together to heal the wounds and rifts that happened between their parents, yet I have to think the intense negative energy swirling between the parents after C50 imploded could not have helped make this a viable thing. Too much baggage, and it was no longer stuff of the past when terribly negative stuff was brewing - and worsening - right then in the present.

I can't imagine what it would be like regularly coming to band rehearsal the day after your cousin's dad publicly talked smack about your dad in an interview for the umpteenth time. Nobody wants to deal with the drama of that; even if the members get along really well, it must have been a dark cloud over everything. Maybe I'm wrong, but this seems like a reasonable educated guess to me. That, and also the other reasons HeyJude stated above probably contributed too.

I'm quite, quite bummed because I was really blown away and genuinely moved by seeing them live.

Did they ever have any kind of record/ recording deal? They did the Hollywood Bowl show so any offers would have come from that town, or none at all.

I don't think it was even anywhere near that far along. It seems like it was a relatively quickly-arranged thing.

I don't think they set out to be like a band with a record deal. It was more just an ad-hoc thing that, at most, had the potential to turn into more gigs and maybe a recording of some sort. I think busy schedules, varying degrees of interest, and the embarrassing end to the C50 tour probably all contributed to the project not taking off.

According to their FB page they were last active in 2014.

https://www.facebook.com/calsaga/


It seems there were future plans but obviously nothing came of them.

http://news.radio.com/2012/07/12/meet-california-saga-new-band-comprised-of-beach-boys-kids/

Let's not forget, during the time of C50, the Cal Saga band and Mike also publicly talked about them doing a tour opening for "The Beach Boys". And nobody is gonna convince me that this could possibly under any circumstances would have been the M&B show. So without a doubt, the C50 ending debacle had to have messed up the momentum of Cal Saga in *some* capacity.

Sucks.

That's just another one of the crazy aspects of C50 and what the participants may have anticipated, versus what they actually said, and so on.

A quick search shows that the CalSaga Grammy Museum gig was July 10th. That was the show where Mike gave an emotional speech and also talked about the band opening for "The Beach Boys" in the future (I vaguely recall Mike saying either "next summer" or "next year", but someone correct me if I'm wrong).

Yet, based on the available information, I would guess Mike was already booking his post-C50 shows by July of 2012 (if not earlier). While it's impossible to know what was going on in Mike's head or what Mike may have been planning, I've for quite some time subscribed to the theory that, while nobody is ever 100% decided on anything, Mike knew from the outset and/or soon into the tour that he wasn't going to do more reunion stuff.

So if that was the case by July, Mike was either just making polite speech conversation, or he actually thought it was plausible for *that* band to open for *his* licensed "Beach Boys" the following year.

It's not impossible that Mike truly thought that so quickly ending the reunion and going back to his own thing would *not* result in anyone complaining or lamenting such a turn of events.

To be fair, other than Bruce who creepily and weirdly was happy to point out from the outset that the reunion was a short venture, most of the rest of the guys were vague and confusing with their statements (or lack of statements). Al said in that one interview that they were reuniting "one last time", yet he was the one more than anybody else who truly seemed to actually think Mike would give up his own band and stay with the reunion going forward. I guess one could argue Al meant they'd be staying together permanently thus no longer necessitating another reunion. In any event, these guys were sending out mixed signals based both on what they said and didn't say.

Oh great. Another thread turning into the C50 breakup.    :-\

I still contend that I get the feeling Al was coached or told to specifically say that "one final time" thing for marketing purposes. I don't really truly buy that he meant it. Let's face it: the band "fired" Brian back in 1982 and had to actually tell him that it was their intention to fire him, even though they didn't really mean it. I don't think they're above outright fibbing - even in front of the cameras - about stuff that they know isn't entirely true.

I was there at the Grammy Museum twice, once for the Cal Saga performance, and once for the BBs performance (both had Q&As), so I firsthand witnessed when Mike had the emotional moment (which I was moved by), and I also witnessed him mentioning Cal Saga being an upcoming opening band for The BBs. If only I'd raised my hand to ask him for details.

I could also *perhaps* buy the idea that Mike might have thought that eventually he'd be able to go back to the M&B show, with Brian, Al, and Dave making occasional appearances at some shows with them, but only on Mike's terms.  I could buy that he might have thought that scenario could have played out eventually, and been thinking about Cal Saga opening for The BBs with Brian, Al, and Dave in tow.

Or maybe Mike really was dense enough to think that there wouldn't be any bad blood from Brian or Al for kicking them to the curb, and that their kids would all just happily open for only M&B. But that seems just really implausible, even as a potential Mike idea. It really goes to show Mike's lack of logic in terms of going back to "normal" after booting three members from their own band, and thinking that things can just be A-OK after that. Especially after Brian wanted to be a Beach Boy again, even if that was an about face for him, it became a reality that Mike thought he could simply quash without consequences. It all just kinda blows my mind. Cal Saga's fate feels like collateral damage.  :'(

Well to be fair, that sad event absolutely impacted all sorts of other things. It very likely pertains, at least partially, to the cessation of activity of this awesome group with amazing potential. That bugs me deeply, and it should bug all fans who want to be honest and realistic about things. I don't think anyone can have a realistic convo about why this great group Cal Saga isn't making music anymore without discussing how the C50 breakup might have impacted things. Let's not be ostriches here.

Well Mike did have form. He kicked out Al in 98 and Matt continued (contractually?) with M&B for a time.

True, and that must have been a pretty awkward situation, which understandably didn't last long. I wonder if Mike would have had the chutzpah to sue Al and attack Al with as much venom and bile as he did, had Matt stayed on in Mike's band.

The CalSaga project was pretty closely tied to and was arguably a result of C50, and the demise of both are likely related. So C50 is quite germane.

I think the sort of inadvertent answer to your question is that Matt Jardine left, and left pretty quickly. From what I recall talking to "insiders" back around that time, there were (not surprisingly) allegedly not a lot of nice things being said about Al out on the road at that time, and as the allegation/supposition went way back then, this hastened Matt's decision to quit. For all we know, had Matt for some strange reason insisted on staying, he may have been dismissed eventually anyway.

You can tell from Al's 2000 Goldmine interview that Matt still being in the touring band was an awkward, likely untenable (in the long run) situation:

After Carl passed away, you were still in the band and then decided to leave the Love touring lineup sometime after that.

Right. It became one of those moments. Love continued to tour. He didn't stop touring. He just didn't want to tour in that modality. That wasn't his idea of "fun, fun, fun." [laughs] So he continued to work with his band, The California Beach Band, and he would go out and do dates and have surrogate singers do Carl's parts. I thought that was tasteless. While at the same time not going out with the Beach Boys because of Carl's passing so there's some kind of contradiction in that, in my opinion. In fact, my son Matthew at the time was still in that employ, which I did not disagree with because I don't want him to not be able to earn a living. But at some point it got uncomfortable.

So at what point did you pack it in with that lineup?

When Mike refused to tour with the Beach Boys. He just refused to tour with us in any fashion. I can't go into detail with you right now, [but] it got reorganized where Love took the band with an exclusive license and I didn't. And Bruce decided to go with the guy who sang all the hits. Matthew had to make some decisions of his own. We decided to form this entity - Beach Boys, Family And Friends, which I felt would more accurately define the harmonies and the vitality of what was missing in the waning years of the band.

I don't know if I ever read that interview; if I did, it's been a long, long time ago. Anyway, that paragraph quoted above sounds eerily reminiscing of 2012.