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Title: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on February 13, 2012, 06:48:22 AM
So what do we know so far? Recording at Ocean Way, produced by Brian... executive producer Mike, some songs written with Joe Thomas, grammy band

Titles announced so far:
Do It Again
Shelter
The Private Life of Bill and Sue
That's Why God Made the Radio


Anything I'm missing?

2012 is gonna be fun!!  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 13, 2012, 07:06:39 AM
No cheesy surf titles so far. This is sounding good.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 13, 2012, 07:20:09 AM
These tunes have quirky BW titles. :thumbsup


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: shelter on February 13, 2012, 07:53:43 AM
Shelter

8)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 13, 2012, 08:11:08 AM
These tunes have quirky BW titles. :thumbsup

Yep, well spotted.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on February 13, 2012, 08:18:22 AM
No cheesy surf titles so far.

Yea, like Kowabunga! It's Party Time or The Ballad of The Ho Dad and The Honey. Or, Surf's Up, USA.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on February 13, 2012, 08:22:18 AM
I don't see "Cuddle Up" with John Stamos on that list.. :lol :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on February 13, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
So what do we know so far? Recording at Ocean Way, produced by Brian & Mike, some songs written with Joe Thomas, grammy band

Titles announced so far:
Do It Again
Shelter
The Private Life of Bill and Sue
That's Why God Made the Radio


Anything I'm missing?


The Private Life Of Bill and Sue ??????
Blimey that sounds like the title of a homemade porn movie  :lol

2012 is gonna be fun!!  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 13, 2012, 09:00:15 AM
The Private Life of Bill and Sue
When/where was this title announced?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on February 13, 2012, 09:07:50 AM
No cheesy surf titles so far.

Yea, like Kowabunga! It's Party Time or The Ballad of 'Ol Ho Dad and The Honey. Or, Surf's Up, USA.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on February 13, 2012, 09:08:05 AM
The Private Life of Bill and Sue
When/where was this title announced?

I think it was announced here first: http://www.knoxville.com/news/2011/oct/14/wayne-bledsoe-brian-wilson-on-disney-songs-and/?partner=RSS

Could the admins put a pin on this topic so we can keep new album info in one spot??  :)

New Beach Boys album featuring all the guys!! Who would've thought, hey?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 13, 2012, 09:31:56 AM
Correction -- mike isn't producing the album with Brian. He is the executive producer, which is a largely honorary title meaning he probably has some say in song selection, sequencing or general creative direction.

The last we've heard anything quasi-official, BW was producing the album with Joe Thomas. Joe hasn't shown up in recent studio shots, though, so his continued involvement is unclear.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joe_blow on February 13, 2012, 09:52:56 AM
The Private Life of Bill and Sue with lyrics by Van Dyke Parks?.....


Mike: "The Private Life if Bill and Sue, what does that title mean?"
VDP: "I don't know I haven't a clue."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on February 13, 2012, 09:57:24 AM
maybe it's "lazy lizzy" with updated lyrics with Bill following Sue home from school.."sexy suzie I want to see you again....."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SamMcK on February 13, 2012, 10:09:34 AM
That's Why God Made the Radio


Was I the only one that immediately thought of that song by Paul Simon, "That's Why God Made the Movies"? :p


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on February 13, 2012, 10:54:42 AM
That's Why God Made the Radio Was I the only one that immediately thought of that song by Paul Simon, "That's Why God Made the Movies"? :p


No , I thought of that song from One Trick Pony as well (great song though)
Might be a re-write however lets hope its a new song


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Smilin Ed H on February 13, 2012, 10:55:18 AM
"That's Why God Made the Radio"

Hmmm Another one of those that lists bands/artists that comprise the spirit of rock and roll?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: harrisonjon on February 13, 2012, 10:57:54 AM
Have any other BB's done any songwriting for this project?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 13, 2012, 10:58:57 AM
Love has mentioned he might work on some material with David, right?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 13, 2012, 11:09:55 AM
Joe Thomas is mentioned here (thanks to That's Not Me for the link)

http://www.billboard.com/news/grammys-2012-19-things-you-didn-t-see-on-1006177472.story#/news/grammys-2012-19-things-you-didn-t-see-on-1006177472.story (http://www.billboard.com/news/grammys-2012-19-things-you-didn-t-see-on-1006177472.story#/news/grammys-2012-19-things-you-didn-t-see-on-1006177472.story)


EDIT:

here are two quotes from two different interviews about Mike wanting to work with Dave on some stuff. No title(s) mentioned, though.

Mike interview:

How's the album coming so far?
We have not done much on that. There have been some songs written and we have recorded on a few things, just a handful of things. The next couple months are going to be, that's going to be our to-do list. There's a lot of creativity coming from myself, coming from Brian. David Marks has a title I really like, so I'm going to work with him on that

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/exclusive-mike-love-talks-beach-boys-50th-anniversary-tour-20111219#ixzz1mI6ySSvV



David interview:

BBE:  What do you envision your contributions to the new album being?
DM: Well, I致e already recorded a couple of guitar parts and I知 looking forward to more time in the studio.  Mike has heard some of my new songs and likes a couple of them, so I知 optimistic we値l work together on one of those. There is no shortage of great material so I値l have to see, but I知 all about being a team player this time around so I知 happy to play whatever role I知 needed to fill.

Continue reading on Examiner.com David Marks is ready to 'Do It Again' - National Beach Boys | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/beach-boys-in-national/david-marks-is-ready-to-do-it-again#ixzz1mI7Dm6uv


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 13, 2012, 11:32:46 AM
Quote
Could the admins put a pin on this topic so we can keep new album info in one spot??

Sounds like a plan


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 13, 2012, 01:06:22 PM
That's Why God Made the Radio Was I the only one that immediately thought of that song by Paul Simon, "That's Why God Made the Movies"? :p


No , I thought of that song from One Trick Pony as well (great song though)
Might be a re-write however lets hope its a new song

.... And I thought of No Wrong Notes in Heaven by Scotty Bennett.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 13, 2012, 04:09:44 PM
Love has mentioned he might work on some material with David, right?


...and didn't Mike like something David came up with and thought it may make a great album title?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 13, 2012, 04:21:55 PM
No, Mike's use of the word "title" in the RS interview means "song." Not title for the album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 13, 2012, 04:22:23 PM
That's Why God Made the Radio Was I the only one that immediately thought of that song by Paul Simon, "That's Why God Made the Movies"? :p


No , I thought of that song from One Trick Pony as well (great song though)
Might be a re-write however lets hope its a new song

.... And I thought of No Wrong Notes in Heaven by Scotty Bennett.

Scotty Bennett and Brian Wilson, actually.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Emdeeh on February 13, 2012, 06:34:51 PM
I love "No Wrong Notes in Heaven"! It would be a great one for the BBs to record.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joe_blow on February 13, 2012, 08:15:35 PM
Bill Jackson?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ESQ Editor on February 14, 2012, 04:22:07 AM
That's Why God Made the Radio Was I the only one that immediately thought of that song by Paul Simon, "That's Why God Made the Movies"? :p


No , I thought of that song from One Trick Pony as well (great song though)
Might be a re-write however lets hope its a new song

.... And I thought of No Wrong Notes in Heaven by Scotty Bennett.


Scotty Bennett and Brian Wilson, actually.


"No Wrong Notes In Heaven" made its initial appearance on ESQ's 2003 Dennis Wilson tribute CD, "One In A Million."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: runnersdialzero on February 14, 2012, 04:30:13 AM
"That's Why God Made The Radio" sounds worlds closer to being something Summer In Paradise-esque than any classic Beach Boys track. I'm wary, but then I realize it's just a song title, so we'll see.

"The Private Life of Bill And Sue", on the other hand, sounds purty interesting.

Mike, God bless 'im, being named executive producer is a little scary, as well. I love 'im to death, but I can't think of many Mike Love-centric projects in the past that I've been a huge fan of. Obviously "executive producer" is a bit ambiguous, but it's generally the guy who have the most authority over what goes, what stays, how it should sound, how it should be presented, etc. etc. etc. "Do It Again" goes down well enough, so hay, we'll see.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 14, 2012, 05:12:42 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:



FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on February 14, 2012, 05:54:51 AM
I'm gonna guess Bruce is playing that God/Radio tune....sounds like there is a lot of buzz surrounding that track  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 14, 2012, 05:57:42 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:



FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!
As in "we don't care" or "there are plenty of them"?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on February 14, 2012, 06:06:35 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:



FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!
As in "we don't care" or "there are plenty of them"?

Lets just say thanks to the happy sounds inside its sure to sell a million units, in January


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 14, 2012, 07:11:10 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:

FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!
As in "we don't care" or "there are plenty of them"?

Meaning, I think, that they're getting on a bit age-wise, are content, living in the moment and just aren't concerned with making an album that appeals to the mass market. They're letting their artistic juices flow, enjoying themselves, and have enough money in the bank for album sales not to matter - they can just make music that pleases them, and hopefully us.




I hope


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on February 14, 2012, 07:29:23 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:

FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!
As in "we don't care" or "there are plenty of them"?

Meaning, I think, that they're getting on a bit age-wise, are content, living in the moment and just aren't concerned with making an album that appeals to the mass market. They're letting their artistic juices flow, enjoying themselves, and have enough money in the bank for album sales not to matter - they can just make music that pleases them, and hopefully us.




I hope
I see it as Brian and Mike contractually having artistic control of this project; as such, the record company will be bound to accept and release whatever is delivered to them.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on February 14, 2012, 10:35:41 AM
That Bruce quote sounds great.  I'm really thankful they're not singles-driven here.  I pray that Mike has restrained himself from dropping more Beach Boy song titles in the lyrics.... "We were good vibratin' on a Grammy stage, thinking wouldn't it be nice to do it again???"



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: D409 on February 14, 2012, 11:01:55 AM
That Bruce quote sounds great.  I'm really thankful they're not singles-driven here.  I pray that Mike has restrained himself from dropping more Beach Boy song titles in the lyrics.... "We were good vibratin' on a Grammy stage, thinking wouldn't it be nice to do it again???"


Don't tempt him !  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 14, 2012, 11:50:30 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:

FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!
As in "we don't care" or "there are plenty of them"?

Meaning, I think, that they're getting on a bit age-wise, are content, living in the moment and just aren't concerned with making an album that appeals to the mass market. They're letting their artistic juices flow, enjoying themselves, and have enough money in the bank for album sales not to matter - they can just make music that pleases them, and hopefully us.




I hope
I see it as Brian and Mike contractually having artistic control of this project; as such, the record company will be bound to accept and release whatever is delivered to them.

I see it as Brian viewed PS's. It was the whole album rather than a hit or hits with filler. Nice if that turns out to be the case.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on February 14, 2012, 05:12:41 PM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

"THE BEACH BOYS HAVE FOUR REUNION TRACKS IN THE CAN
 
 
2012 will be the year that the surviving Beach Boys hit the road behind a new album for the first time in over 25 years. Over the course of their press duties publicizing their brief -- but acclaimed -- appearance on Sunday's (February 12th) Grammy telecast, the band revealed several titles of new songs, which have already whetted the appetite of fans.

The preeminent Beach Boys message board, SmileySmile.net, posted that a total of four newly recorded tracks have been announced: "Shelter," "The Private Life Of Bill And Sue," "That's Why God Made The Radio" -- and the group's initial reunion track, the remake of their 1968 classic "Do It Again," which the band laid down last June.
No title or release date for the set has been made public, but the Beach Boys' tour itinerary will be announced tomorrow (February 15th). The Beach Boys are: Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, David Marks, and Bruce Johnston.
 
We asked Brian Wilson if he was happy with the way the group gelled in the studio after 15 years apart: ["Oh yeah, I was thrilled! Not one of those guys needs any work -- they're all great. Yeah, they're all good."] SOUNDCUE (:04 OC: . . . they're all good)
Beach Boys co-founder Al Jardine met Brian Wilson when they were both in high school in Southern California playing on the Hawthorne Cougars football team back in the late 1950's. He told us that even as teens Wilson's talent was always there: ["Brian was like a divining rod. Whenever he touched the keys to that piano, something happened and I don't even think he understands it."] SOUNDCUE (:07 OC: . . . he understands it)
FAST FACTS
 
The Beach Boys' only officially announced shows in the U.S. are set for April 27th at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival and May 12th in Uncasville, Connecticut at the Mohegan Sun Arena."
 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on February 14, 2012, 05:17:19 PM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

"THE BEACH BOYS HAVE FOUR REUNION TRACKS IN THE CAN
 
 
2012 will be the year that the surviving Beach Boys hit the road behind a new album for the first time in over 25 years. Over the course of their press duties publicizing their brief -- but acclaimed -- appearance on Sunday's (February 12th) Grammy telecast, the band revealed several titles of new songs, which have already whetted the appetite of fans.

The preeminent Beach Boys message board, SmileySmile.net, posted that a total of four newly recorded tracks have been announced: "Shelter," "The Private Life Of Bill And Sue," "That's Why God Made The Radio" -- and the group's initial reunion track, the remake of their 1968 classic "Do It Again," which the band laid down last June.
No title or release date for the set has been made public, but the Beach Boys' tour itinerary will be announced tomorrow (February 15th). The Beach Boys are: Brian Wilson, Mike Love, Al Jardine, David Marks, and Bruce Johnston.
 
We asked Brian Wilson if he was happy with the way the group gelled in the studio after 15 years apart: ["Oh yeah, I was thrilled! Not one of those guys needs any work -- they're all great. Yeah, they're all good."] SOUNDCUE (:04 OC: . . . they're all good)
Beach Boys co-founder Al Jardine met Brian Wilson when they were both in high school in Southern California playing on the Hawthorne Cougars football team back in the late 1950's. He told us that even as teens Wilson's talent was always there: ["Brian was like a divining rod. Whenever he touched the keys to that piano, something happened and I don't even think he understands it."] SOUNDCUE (:07 OC: . . . he understands it)
FAST FACTS
 
The Beach Boys' only officially announced shows in the U.S. are set for April 27th at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival and May 12th in Uncasville, Connecticut at the Mohegan Sun Arena."
 

Definite  :lol  :lol  :lol  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 14, 2012, 05:19:03 PM
So who wants to bump this old thread of mine....?  :lol

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,8854.0.html


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on February 14, 2012, 07:58:02 PM
just one bruce??


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 14, 2012, 11:40:45 PM
Guys....

I really want this to be good


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on February 15, 2012, 12:40:18 AM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

 

Hey, were more legit than most news sources  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 15, 2012, 01:07:33 AM
Sometimes having AGD around is a good thing...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 15, 2012, 02:57:43 AM
This was posted by Bruce on BBBritain:

FYI: The album we are recording has some amazing moments and we are not driven by the stress of 'are there any hit singles in the new album'......
But there is one Brian song that I play over & over & over!
As in "we don't care" or "there are plenty of them"?

Meaning, I think, that they're getting on a bit age-wise, are content, living in the moment and just aren't concerned with making an album that appeals to the mass market. They're letting their artistic juices flow, enjoying themselves, and have enough money in the bank for album sales not to matter - they can just make music that pleases them, and hopefully us.




I hope
Sounds good to me.  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on February 15, 2012, 09:49:04 AM
Sometimes having AGD around is a good thing...

he's just a big cuddly teddy bear!

 >:D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Les P on February 15, 2012, 10:37:04 AM

Mike, God bless 'im, being named executive producer is a little scary, as well. I love 'im to death, but I can't think of many Mike Love-centric projects in the past that I've been a huge fan of. Obviously "executive producer" is a bit ambiguous, but it's generally the guy who have the most authority over what goes, what stays, how it should sound, how it should be presented, etc. etc. etc. "Do It Again" goes down well enough, so hay, we'll see.

+1   

I hope there's a Quality Control system in place apart from the Executive Producer.  And considering the participants, there is probably a team of lawyers who have to approve the final product.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 15, 2012, 11:38:38 AM

Mike, God bless 'im, being named executive producer is a little scary, as well. I love 'im to death, but I can't think of many Mike Love-centric projects in the past that I've been a huge fan of. Obviously "executive producer" is a bit ambiguous, but it's generally the guy who have the most authority over what goes, what stays, how it should sound, how it should be presented, etc. etc. etc. "Do It Again" goes down well enough, so hay, we'll see.

+1   

I hope there's a Quality Control system in place apart from the Executive Producer.  And considering the participants, there is probably a team of lawyers who have to approve the final product.
Probably truer than we know, too. ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SurfRiderHawaii on February 15, 2012, 04:37:03 PM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

 

Hey, were more legit than most news sources  :lol

Yeah, if they were quoting AGD, Jon S. or other honored guests.

They haven't.  Haven't heard AGD confirm those titles (cept Do It Again of course)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: bossaroo on February 15, 2012, 08:48:43 PM
wasn't Mike "executive producer" of the Pet Sounds Sessions?

it's like a little paper crown he can wear so he feels important.


i think it would be cool if Do It Again doesn't make it onto the album


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 15, 2012, 10:00:55 PM
Usually 'executive producer' is the 'money man'. Most of the time it's just an honorary title. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 15, 2012, 11:28:00 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one here who is both excited and very apprehensive re this album. 'Do It Again' on the (suspected) line-up is kind of playing to all my worst fears, i.e. that it'll be a mawkish, regressive and corny, an album worth of 'Brian is Back's'. Let's hope they're genuinely more concerned with producing something credible than commercial. It's taken a fair while for the BB's legacy to get where it is now after the awful '80's, and now they're probably more highly critically respected than ever, after SMiLE etc. Don't ruin it guys! 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2012, 12:28:03 AM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

 

Hey, were more legit than most news sources  :lol

Yeah, if they were quoting AGD, Jon S. or other honored guests.

They haven't.  Haven't heard AGD confirm those titles (cept Do It Again of course)

"Shelter" & "Bob & Sue" have been mentioned to me by one of my better sources. Dudes name was... Cohen, or something like that.

Personally, being the fact freak I am, I'll be fascinated to see if all the new material is indeed new, as in newly composed.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2012, 12:28:58 AM
Sometimes having AGD around is a good thing...

he's just a big cuddly teddy bear!

 >:D

And getting bigger...  :(


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 16, 2012, 12:59:52 AM
Sometimes having AGD around is a good thing...

he's just a big cuddly teddy bear!

 >:D

And getting bigger...  :(

There can't be enough Doe in the world.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 16, 2012, 01:33:24 AM
wasn't Mike "executive producer" of the Pet Sounds Sessions?

it's like a little paper crown he can wear so he feels important.

i think it would be cool if Do It Again doesn't make it onto the album

I think they should already have punted Do It Again to radio stations etc to ride the Grammy publicity bandwagon. At least then the jocks would have had something to play to go with the Grammy news.  It's a treat to release the vid for fans, for sure, but they could also have put the thing to work for them  Maybe they have


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 16, 2012, 02:38:08 AM


I think they should already have punted Do It Again to radio stations etc to ride the Grammy publicity bandwagon. At least then the jocks would have had something to play to go with the Grammy news.  It's a treat to release the vid for fans, for sure, but they could also have put the thing to work for them  Maybe they have
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Maybe they have a better single in mind. Or it's simply too early. If they release a single too far in advance of the album, it might work
against them.

I wonder  if the actual leaks of song titles, or other info, is actually a few steps behind actual developments. They are saying four songs are in
the can, but maybe it's more by now. Maybe they will record 20 tracks and whittle it down to the best ten. Who knows?

Andrew Doe just gave us a clue, when he said something about, I wonder if they are all new songs as in recently composed.
I would suspect a few old songs or old song ideas that were never completed are likely to be pulled out of the old song bag,
in addition to some songs that are being composed now, or very recently composed.

I say that because historically Wilson and the Beach Boys have released new albums, with unreleased songs from years before.
Also because Andrew Doe is kind of hinting about that.

I was so excited about the Smile release, and I am equally excited about this new album. In a span of two years, less than two years,
The Beach Boys are giving us the mythical Smile and a brand new album! How damm cool is that!

Is there a number I can call to ask them to hurry up, why is the Do it Again video not on Youtube anymore ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2012, 02:47:52 AM
As stated on this forum, the "DIA" video was leaked without the permission of BRI or anyone involved.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 16, 2012, 03:11:51 AM
As stated on this forum, the "DIA" video was leaked without the permission of BRI or anyone involved.


I did not know that, I don't have time to read everything.

Thats cool, yeah it's just all so exciting, I can't wait to hear the new album. I sincerely hope
there are several new video's associated with the album, and that they are available in some
type of deluxe version of the album


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 16, 2012, 05:16:42 AM
As stated on this forum, the "DIA" video was leaked without the permission of BRI or anyone involved.


I did not know that, I don't have time to read everything.

Thats cool, yeah it's just all so exciting, I can't wait to hear the new album. I sincerely hope
there are several new video's associated with the album, and that they are available in some
type of deluxe version of the album

Sure. A 5-CD box, with a double LP version, two singles, a case-bound book, a photo book, a poster, and oh, 100+ other items.

I blame Mike.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 16, 2012, 05:30:23 AM
why is the Do it Again video not on Youtube anymore ?

What YouTube you looking at?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23U7kegA5gc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23U7kegA5gc)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 16, 2012, 05:44:56 AM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

 

Hey, were more legit than most news sources  :lol

Yeah, if they were quoting AGD, Jon S. or other honored guests.

They haven't.  Haven't heard AGD confirm those titles (cept Do It Again of course)

"Shelter" & "Bob & Sue" have been mentioned to me by one of my better sources. Dudes name was... Cohen, or something like that.

Personally, being the fact freak I am, I'll be fascinated to see if all the new material is indeed new, as in newly composed.

This of course might have been putting people off the scent, but studio shots of BW last summer did say he was working on re-recording unreleased material with Joe Thomas, right?

Personally, if they do resurrect anything, it should be Chain Reaction of Love.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 16, 2012, 07:27:27 AM
All this about the new album, has reminded me of an obvious question.

Will a couple of archival tracks be used in a manner similar to Soul Searchin
so that Carl and or Dennis Wilson will be on the album ?

I have no prediction, but I really am curious about it, I thought
Soul Searchin on the Gettin In Over My Head album was good.
I was surprised there was archival material of that quality lying
around unused. It wasn't the greatest track I ever heard, by any
means, but it was one of the better cuts on that album IMO


I can't stand the anticipation, so ok, semi confirmed sources say
there are four tracks in the can, So depending how fresh that information
is, there could easily be a couple more by now.

Bruce Johnston, was quoted saying, he keeps playing the one cut over
and over again, somebody should just ask him to be a pal, and post a 
30 second clip! or at least give us the name of the one he likes.

So Wilson cuts the backing tracks and then the guys fly in to sing their
parts, like the pet sounds days ? I would tend to doubt that, because
Love and Marks are quoted as saying, they are involved in writing some
material, so if it was your song wouldn't you at least be at the studio
through the whole process?

If Johnston is in England, does that mean no recording is going on until
he flies back to the states or is that a misconception on my part.

If they only have four in the can, I hope they hold a couple sessions and
get that number up so they have a realistic chance of getting it out by
late summer. I wish we could get a little more info. I guess its still too early
I am expecting a second single to follow DIA closer to release time, that
just seems obvious.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on February 16, 2012, 07:38:33 AM
We don't know how many songs are in the can.  We've simply heard rumors of four titles.  They have been recording off and on for awhile.  David was just in the studio putting down some guitar on some track the other day.  Darian was in the studio with Brian the other day.  Who cares what song it is that Bruce likes.  We can't hear it yet anyway.  And he's not in England, he lives in California.  Mike has mentioned that he'd like to write some stuff, but we haven't heard of anything definite.  Same with Dave.  We'll get more info when they want us to have more info.  I'll repeat something here that I had to repeat over and over when we were waiting for info on TSS...Patience.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: lee on February 16, 2012, 07:53:07 AM
Is DIA definitely going to be on the new album? Seems strange to me to have a new album of new material and then one re-recorded song thrown on there.

I think it would be a cool idea to keep DIA off of the new album and release it as a colored 7" single. Maybe with a re-recorded Friends or a live in studio track as the b side.  That would make for a great Record Store Day release this year.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 16, 2012, 07:55:19 AM
We don't know how many songs are in the can.  We've simply heard rumors of four titles.  They have been recording off and on for awhile.  David was just in the studio putting down some guitar on some track the other day.  Darian was in the studio with Brian the other day.  Who cares what song it is that Bruce likes.  We can't hear it yet anyway.  And he's not in England, he lives in California.  Mike has mentioned that he'd like to write some stuff, but we haven't heard of anything definite.  Same with Dave.  We'll get more info when they want us to have more info.  I'll repeat something here that I had to repeat over and over when we were waiting for info on TSS...Patience.


Right you are. I have no idea about anything. I got excited about the "four songs in the can" and the Johnston remark, about the one tune.
Then I watch the DIA video, and get pumped up some more.

I don't even know what methods or procedures they use, if Brian cuts the tracks, and then they come in, or its different for
every track or what. If they cut just enough, or prune it down from lots of tracks.

It's way too early, I need to chill, and wait two or three months. for some news.

The only thing is I cant help it, I have a feeling the album could be special. DIA sounds good, they sounded good on the Grammys
and I need to wait, I feel they were pretty cool about dribbling out info for the fans on Smile, and It looks like they are gonna continue
spoonfeeding the faithful with a few tidbits, AGD will see we know something



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2012, 08:13:54 AM
If Johnston is in England, does that mean no recording is going on until
he flies back to the states or is that a misconception on my part.

Serious misconception ! Bruce is in California, where he's been since the last tour ended.  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: bossaroo on February 16, 2012, 08:51:14 AM

I think it would be a cool idea to keep DIA off of the new album and release it as a colored 7" single. Maybe with a re-recorded Friends

a re-recorded Friends would be so cool


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 16, 2012, 10:01:23 AM
Some studio shots (from facebook)


(http://www.thebeachboys.ch/Galerie/albums/userpics/421054_250829961662519_125419450870238_559488_1597365785_n.jpg)


(http://www.thebeachboys.ch/Galerie/albums/userpics/398657_304759406249028_100001449127373_877335_1605484069_n.jpg)



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on February 16, 2012, 10:07:29 AM
Al and Bruce both standing on boxes.  Just like the old days.  8)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on February 16, 2012, 10:09:12 AM
I wonder what they're discussing while sitting in a circle?

And cue everyone posting fake dialogue for this picture in 3...2..1...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 16, 2012, 12:30:23 PM
We don't know how many songs are in the can.  We've simply heard rumors of four titles.  They have been recording off and on for awhile.  David was just in the studio putting down some guitar on some track the other day.  Darian was in the studio with Brian the other day.  Who cares what song it is that Bruce likes.  We can't hear it yet anyway.  And he's not in England, he lives in California.  Mike has mentioned that he'd like to write some stuff, but we haven't heard of anything definite.  Same with Dave.  We'll get more info when they want us to have more info.  I'll repeat something here that I had to repeat over and over when we were waiting for info on TSS...Patience.


Right you are. I have no idea about anything. I got excited about the "four songs in the can" and the Johnston remark, about the one tune.
Then I watch the DIA video, and get pumped up some more.

I don't even know what methods or procedures they use, if Brian cuts the tracks, and then they come in, or its different for
every track or what. If they cut just enough, or prune it down from lots of tracks.

It's way too early, I need to chill, and wait two or three months. for some news.

The only thing is I cant help it, I have a feeling the album could be special. DIA sounds good, they sounded good on the Grammys
and I need to wait, I feel they were pretty cool about dribbling out info for the fans on Smile, and It looks like they are gonna continue
spoonfeeding the faithful with a few tidbits, AGD will see we know something



So here's the deal.

1.) Brian started recording backing tracks for some sort of project last year. This was documented by several sources.

2.) Eddie Bayers, a session player used by Imagination co-producer Joe Thomas, tweeted that he was working on new BW material.

3.) Jean Seivers, Brian's publicist, said at the time that Brian was recording some previously unreleased but already written material at Joe's studio in Illinois.

4.) In subsequent interviews, Brian talked about having written new songs, including the Shelter and Bill and Sue tunes, but in collaboration with Joe Thomas and Jeff.

5.) The Do It Again sessions likewise took place in the middle of last year.

6.) All of this happened before there was any news of an official reunion.

7.) Once that came out, news of the album started flowing fast and furious. There has been no more mention of Joe Thomas as a co-producer, but he is mentioned as co-writer of the God / Radio song.

8.) The group apparently recorded on some of Brian's stuff before the end of 2011, and they have obviously been going at it over the last month or so.

9.) Mike and Brian were writing a song in the studio a week or two ago, according to Andrew.

10.) Dave and Mike have some songs they have brought to the project and hope to include as well.

So, taking these 10 points together, let's draw some conclusions.

It seems likely that tracks for the album were recorded throughout last year by Brian, Joe and Jeff. It is probably relatively quick and easy for the group to put vocals on top of those and finish them up. Even if they only managed 4 or 5 titles, they could have finished a third to half of the album this way.

Some of those tracks might well be trunk songs, dating back to the 70s, 80s or 90s. We had official word that Brian was working on some older tunes. Now, whether those are older tunes fans are familiar with or not, who knows.

It also seems clear that Brian and Mike are doing some on-the-spot writing. So a track or two (or three) on the final album could well come from these last couple of months' worth of sessions. Is Joe Thomas involved? No one knows. But given that Darian has been shown in the studio, it looks like some of Brian's band is.

Finally, you have material from Mike and Dave. (Al and Bruce haven't said anything about contributing). So perhaps a couple of tracks on the finished album could come from them.

Therefore, I'd predict a finished album along these lines:

Ocean Way
The Beach Boys (Capitol, 2012)

Do It Again 2012
Shelter (JT session)
Black Widow (with lyrics rewritten by Mike)
The Private Life of Bill and Sue (JT session)
New Mike song (possibly with a BW credit added for cred)
That's Why God Made the Radio (JT session)
Dancin' the Night Away (possibly with Carl's voice kept)
New Brian-Mike collaboration
New Dave M. song (with ML and BW credits added)
New Brian-Mike collaboration
Still A Mystery (JT session)

Now, the exact old songs being used will probably be different. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up with something like this.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Roger Ryan on February 16, 2012, 12:51:56 PM
I just wanted to point out that the Facebook photo of the band standing around the microphone is clearly staged for the "Do It Again" video (note the production lights) and should not be considered representative of the band recording the new album. The boxes could be there simply to elevate the shorter members to improve shot composition and may have nothing to do with recording.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 16, 2012, 01:00:49 PM
(http://www.thebeachboys.ch/Galerie/albums/userpics/398657_304759406249028_100001449127373_877335_1605484069_n.jpg)


So you agree Mike and Bruce get Stamos if Brian gets Foskett? Ok. Lets move on to clause 112 subsection 15a.  'Mike to make no mention of Brians footwear Jan1-Dec 31 2012.'
 



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2012, 01:08:36 PM
We don't know how many songs are in the can.  We've simply heard rumors of four titles.  They have been recording off and on for awhile.  David was just in the studio putting down some guitar on some track the other day.  Darian was in the studio with Brian the other day.  Who cares what song it is that Bruce likes.  We can't hear it yet anyway.  And he's not in England, he lives in California.  Mike has mentioned that he'd like to write some stuff, but we haven't heard of anything definite.  Same with Dave.  We'll get more info when they want us to have more info.  I'll repeat something here that I had to repeat over and over when we were waiting for info on TSS...Patience.


Right you are. I have no idea about anything. I got excited about the "four songs in the can" and the Johnston remark, about the one tune.
Then I watch the DIA video, and get pumped up some more.

I don't even know what methods or procedures they use, if Brian cuts the tracks, and then they come in, or its different for
every track or what. If they cut just enough, or prune it down from lots of tracks.

It's way too early, I need to chill, and wait two or three months. for some news.

The only thing is I cant help it, I have a feeling the album could be special. DIA sounds good, they sounded good on the Grammys
and I need to wait, I feel they were pretty cool about dribbling out info for the fans on Smile, and It looks like they are gonna continue
spoonfeeding the faithful with a few tidbits, AGD will see we know something



So here's the deal.

1.) Brian started recording backing tracks for some sort of project last year. This was documented by several sources.

2.) Eddie Bayers, a session player used by Imagination co-producer Joe Thomas, tweeted that he was working on new BW material.

3.) Jean Seivers, Brian's publicist, said at the time that Brian was recording some previously unreleased but already written material at Joe's studio in Illinois.

4.) In subsequent interviews, Brian talked about having written new songs, including the Shelter and Bill and Sue tunes, but in collaboration with Joe Thomas and Jeff.

5.) The Do It Again sessions likewise took place in the middle of last year.

6.) All of this happened before there was any news of an official reunion.

7.) Once that came out, news of the album started flowing fast and furious. There has been no more mention of Joe Thomas as a co-producer, but he is mentioned as co-writer of the God / Radio song.

8.) The group apparently recorded on some of Brian's stuff before the end of 2011, and they have obviously been going at it over the last month or so.

9.) Mike and Brian were writing a song in the studio a week or two ago, according to Andrew.

10.) Dave and Mike have some songs they have brought to the project and hope to include as well.

So, taking these 10 points together, let's draw some conclusions.

It seems likely that tracks for the album were recorded throughout last year by Brian, Joe and Jeff. It is probably relatively quick and easy for the group to put vocals on top of those and finish them up. Even if they only managed 4 or 5 titles, they could have finished a third to half of the album this way.

Some of those tracks might well be trunk songs, dating back to the 70s, 80s or 90s. We had official word that Brian was working on some older tunes. Now, whether those are older tunes fans are familiar with or not, who knows.

It also seems clear that Brian and Mike are doing some on-the-spot writing. So a track or two (or three) on the final album could well come from these last couple of months' worth of sessions. Is Joe Thomas involved? No one knows. But given that Darian has been shown in the studio, it looks like some of Brian's band is.

Finally, you have material from Mike and Dave. (Al and Bruce haven't said anything about contributing). So perhaps a couple of tracks on the finished album could come from them.

Therefore, I'd predict a finished album along these lines:

Ocean Way
The Beach Boys (Capitol, 2012)

Do It Again 2012
Shelter (JT session)
Black Widow (with lyrics rewritten by Mike)
The Private Life of Bill and Sue (JT session)
New Mike song (possibly with a BW credit added for cred)
That's Why God Made the Radio (JT session)
Dancin' the Night Away (possibly with Carl's voice kept)
New Brian-Mike collaboration
New Dave M. song (with ML and BW credits added)
New Brian-Mike collaboration
Still A Mystery (JT session)

Now, the exact old songs being used will probably be different. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up with something like this.

I'd hope for more than 10 tracks, and some better 'archive' reworkings. Plus something representing Dennis.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 16, 2012, 01:23:04 PM
Not to nitpick, but there are 11 tracks there. Given the time pressures, how many more do you think they could realistically finish, mix and master for a June-ish release?

As for archival stuff, I was thinking that the Boys might go back to the mid-90s just for the chance to get a couple of Carl vocals. Dancin' isn't great, but it is a BW/ML co-write, correct? Black Widow was a total shot in the dark. Maybe they'll go with Adult Child material instead.  ;D

Finally, I understand the desire for a Dennis tribute, but I don't know how it would work. Dennis's songs wouldn't really fit. What else is in the can that could be used for an album like this that wouldn't work better on an all-archival release?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 16, 2012, 02:36:40 PM
Finally, I understand the desire for a Dennis tribute, but I don't know how it would work. Dennis's songs wouldn't really fit. What else is in the can that could be used for an album like this that wouldn't work better on an all-archival release?

You know I hate to be a downer, but one good reason for not including any of Dennis's material might be that it'd show the rest up.

And we can't have that  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on February 16, 2012, 03:01:01 PM
Not to nitpick, but there are 11 tracks there. Given the time pressures, how many more do you think they could realistically finish, mix and master for a June-ish release?

As for archival stuff, I was thinking that the Boys might go back to the mid-90s just for the chance to get a couple of Carl vocals. Dancin' isn't great, but it is a BW/ML co-write, correct? Black Widow was a total shot in the dark. Maybe they'll go with Adult Child material instead.  ;D

Finally, I understand the desire for a Dennis tribute, but I don't know how it would work. Dennis's songs wouldn't really fit. What else is in the can that could be used for an album like this that wouldn't work better on an all-archival release?

I'd rather hear "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" in its original, archival form but maybe it's not outside the realm of possibility they'd rework it for a new album.  What would be cooler, maybe, would be doing vocals for "I've Got a Friend".


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on February 16, 2012, 03:08:56 PM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

 

Hey, were more legit than most news sources  :lol

Yeah, if they were quoting AGD, Jon S. or other honored guests.

They haven't.  Haven't heard AGD confirm those titles (cept Do It Again of course)

"Shelter" & "Bob & Sue" have been mentioned to me by one of my better sources. Dudes name was... Cohen, or something like that.

Personally, being the fact freak I am, I'll be fascinated to see if all the new material is indeed new, as in newly composed.

I wouldn't mind if the songs were old but never heard of. Besides, there's no way of telling if an unfamiliar song is new or old by merely listening to it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: GoodToMyBaby on February 16, 2012, 03:19:25 PM
I think this is hilarious  :lol :lol :lol :lol

The  B104 FM music news page is now quoting this board, and it's posts, as an official news source on the new album.
http://www.b104fm.com/musicnews.htm

 
You haven't hung around here long have you?  Some of the guys here can spot a recycled riff a measure away

Hey, were more legit than most news sources  :lol

Yeah, if they were quoting AGD, Jon S. or other honored guests.

They haven't.  Haven't heard AGD confirm those titles (cept Do It Again of course)

"Shelter" & "Bob & Sue" have been mentioned to me by one of my better sources. Dudes name was... Cohen, or something like that.

Personally, being the fact freak I am, I'll be fascinated to see if all the new material is indeed new, as in newly composed.

I wouldn't mind if the songs were old but never heard of. Besides, there's no way of telling if an unfamiliar song is new or old by merely listening to it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 16, 2012, 03:30:15 PM
I wouldn't mind if the songs were old but never heard of. Besides, there's no way of telling if an unfamiliar song is new or old by merely listening to it.

Unless you've heard it before somewhere, of course.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: GuyOnTheBeach on February 16, 2012, 03:47:04 PM
I hope Brian reworked "Oh Lord", however I highly doubt that, there are probably a lot of things he doesn't want reminding of in that song.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Firemellow on February 16, 2012, 04:48:15 PM
Just to clarify,  Bill and Sue are

Wonderbill and Susie Cincinnati, all grown up.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Melt Away on February 16, 2012, 05:49:08 PM
Mike messaged me back on the post I put on his Facebook saying "In the studio as we speak.". So at least we know they're doing more recording  ;D! I'm really hoping this album is out before the tour starts!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 16, 2012, 06:56:53 PM
The tour starts in fewer than 70 days. I think they could probably finish recording in that time, but I doubt the album could be mixed, mastered, designed, promoted and ready for release in that time.

I might be wrong, but I would expect the album in June or July. Possibly May if they go all out.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Fro on February 16, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
Not to nitpick, but there are 11 tracks there. Given the time pressures, how many more do you think they could realistically finish, mix and master for a June-ish release?

Really hard to estimate without knowing how many they've already recorded, how many they've already written, who all is contributing songwriting, and what the average production value of a song is going to be on the album.

Obviously, if it's going to be Pet Sounds II, the individual songs are probably going to take longer than if it's a couple elaborate Brian songs and the rest are surfin' songs.  If they use as much auto-tune as they did on the  "Do It Again" video, they can probably crank out the vocals pretty quick.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 16, 2012, 07:44:35 PM
Really hard to estimate without knowing how many they've already recorded, how many they've already written, who all is contributing songwriting

Quite so.

I would expect, though, that the album is 90 percent (if not more) Brian Wilson-written material. The market demands it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 16, 2012, 10:16:30 PM
Do you guys think the whole album will sound like the new Do It Again?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 16, 2012, 10:34:59 PM
We don't know how many songs are in the can.  We've simply heard rumors of four titles.  They have been recording off and on for awhile.  David was just in the studio putting down some guitar on some track the other day.  Darian was in the studio with Brian the other day.  Who cares what song it is that Bruce likes.  We can't hear it yet anyway.  And he's not in England, he lives in California.  Mike has mentioned that he'd like to write some stuff, but we haven't heard of anything definite.  Same with Dave.  We'll get more info when they want us to have more info.  I'll repeat something here that I had to repeat over and over when we were waiting for info on TSS...Patience.


Right you are. I have no idea about anything. I got excited about the "four songs in the can" and the Johnston remark, about the one tune.
Then I watch the DIA video, and get pumped up some more.

I don't even know what methods or procedures they use, if Brian cuts the tracks, and then they come in, or its different for
every track or what. If they cut just enough, or prune it down from lots of tracks.

It's way too early, I need to chill, and wait two or three months. for some news.

The only thing is I cant help it, I have a feeling the album could be special. DIA sounds good, they sounded good on the Grammys
and I need to wait, I feel they were pretty cool about dribbling out info for the fans on Smile, and It looks like they are gonna continue
spoonfeeding the faithful with a few tidbits, AGD will see we know something



So here's the deal.

1.) Brian started recording backing tracks for some sort of project last year. This was documented by several sources.

2.) Eddie Bayers, a session player used by Imagination co-producer Joe Thomas, tweeted that he was working on new BW material.

3.) Jean Seivers, Brian's publicist, said at the time that Brian was recording some previously unreleased but already written material at Joe's studio in Illinois.

4.) In subsequent interviews, Brian talked about having written new songs, including the Shelter and Bill and Sue tunes, but in collaboration with Joe Thomas and Jeff.

5.) The Do It Again sessions likewise took place in the middle of last year.

6.) All of this happened before there was any news of an official reunion.

7.) Once that came out, news of the album started flowing fast and furious. There has been no more mention of Joe Thomas as a co-producer, but he is mentioned as co-writer of the God / Radio song.

8.) The group apparently recorded on some of Brian's stuff before the end of 2011, and they have obviously been going at it over the last month or so.

9.) Mike and Brian were writing a song in the studio a week or two ago, according to Andrew.

10.) Dave and Mike have some songs they have brought to the project and hope to include as well.

So, taking these 10 points together, let's draw some conclusions.

It seems likely that tracks for the album were recorded throughout last year by Brian, Joe and Jeff. It is probably relatively quick and easy for the group to put vocals on top of those and finish them up. Even if they only managed 4 or 5 titles, they could have finished a third to half of the album this way.

Some of those tracks might well be trunk songs, dating back to the 70s, 80s or 90s. We had official word that Brian was working on some older tunes. Now, whether those are older tunes fans are familiar with or not, who knows.

It also seems clear that Brian and Mike are doing some on-the-spot writing. So a track or two (or three) on the final album could well come from these last couple of months' worth of sessions. Is Joe Thomas involved? No one knows. But given that Darian has been shown in the studio, it looks like some of Brian's band is.

Finally, you have material from Mike and Dave. (Al and Bruce haven't said anything about contributing). So perhaps a couple of tracks on the finished album could come from them.

Therefore, I'd predict a finished album along these lines:

Ocean Way
The Beach Boys (Capitol, 2012)

Do It Again 2012
Shelter (JT session)
Black Widow (with lyrics rewritten by Mike)
The Private Life of Bill and Sue (JT session)
New Mike song (possibly with a BW credit added for cred)
That's Why God Made the Radio (JT session)
Dancin' the Night Away (possibly with Carl's voice kept)
New Brian-Mike collaboration
New Dave M. song (with ML and BW credits added)
New Brian-Mike collaboration
Still A Mystery (JT session)

Now, the exact old songs being used will probably be different. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if we ended up with something like this.

I'd hope for more than 10 tracks, and some better 'archive' reworkings. Plus something representing Dennis.




THAT ALL SEEMS LIKE A REASONABLE EDUCATED GUESS, INCLUDING AGD's CAVEAT

I WOULD GUESS THAT MAYBE THEY WILL TRY AND CUT A COUPLE EXTRA TRACKS AS BEST BUY OR ITUNES
EXCLUSIVES<,OR JUST TO HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA FOR SOME FUTURE COMPILATION BECAUSE LIKELY THEY WILL NEVER
CUT ANOTHER STUDIO ALBUM AT AGE 70

I WOULD GUESS YES, THEY WILL AT LEAST CONSIDER TRYING TO USE ONE OR TWO CARL WILSON PERFORMANCES

PERHAPS DENNIS WILSON IS CONSIDERED TO BE INCLUDED BECAUSE THEY SAMPLED SOME OF HIS DRUMS OR PERCUSSION
ALREADY FOR DIA.

I AM THINKING THIS ALBUM WILL SOUND LIKE A RECENT BRIAN WILSON ALBUM< LUCKY OLD SUN OR SOMETHING WITH
BEACH BOYS VOCALS INSTEAD OF THE SOLO ALBUM GROUP , THAT IS, THE WILSON SOLO BAND VOCALS WITH ALL THOSE CATS>

I UH JUST HANDICAPPING , GUESSING WOULD THINK< THAT THERE WILL BE A BIT MORE MIKE LOVE BEACH BOYS SURFy GIRLS CAR STUFF
INFLUENCE< TO A DEGREE> BUT THEN AGAIN LUCKY OLD SUN< HAD FOREvER YOU'LL BE MY SURFER GIRL SO WHO IS KIDDING WHO
PET SOUNDS TWO, IN OUR DREAMS. MAYBE THEY SEEM KIND OF INSPIRED AND INTO IT, THEY HAVE TO REALiZE THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST
TIME THEY RECORD TOGETHER< THIS ALBUM IS GONNA BE GREAT!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 16, 2012, 10:37:40 PM
Do you guys think the whole album will sound like the new Do It Again?

Instrumentally, probably not. If some backing tracks feature Joe Thomas's musicians, then expect something more adult contemporary (and Brian did call the album "mellow").

Vocally, I would expect it to be similar. It's the four guys plus Foskett (maybe David on a tune or two).

Brian's band may contribute some backing tracks too, which would mean something slightly less slick, although they're a pretty well-oiled ensemble themselves.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 16, 2012, 10:46:19 PM
Do you guys think the whole album will sound like the new Do It Again?

Instrumentally, probably not. If some backing tracks feature Joe Thomas's musicians, then expect something more adult contemporary (and Brian did call the album "mellow").

Vocally, I would expect it to be similar. It's the four guys plus Foskett (maybe David on a tune or two).

Brian's band may contribute some backing tracks too, which would mean something slightly less slick, although they're a pretty well-oiled ensemble themselves.

I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know if it would be better for the album to be strange but bad or decent but boring.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 16, 2012, 11:09:38 PM
How about half and half?  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 16, 2012, 11:15:59 PM
They should just rerelease Love You and see if anybody notices....


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Alan Smith on February 17, 2012, 12:09:46 AM
Do you guys think the whole album will sound like the new Do It Again?

Instrumentally, probably not. If some backing tracks feature Joe Thomas's musicians, then expect something more adult contemporary (and Brian did call the album "mellow").

Vocally, I would expect it to be similar. It's the four guys plus Foskett (maybe David on a tune or two).

Brian's band may contribute some backing tracks too, which would mean something slightly less slick, although they're a pretty well-oiled ensemble themselves.

I don't know how I feel about that. I don't know if it would be better for the album to be strange but bad or decent but boring.

If the boys put something down with passion and sincerity, it will make up for any unders or overs in the backing track department


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 17, 2012, 05:31:40 AM
Well Do It Again  was a quick fix arrangement and recording to test the waters - that could maybe explain the autotune, as time wasn't plentiful to get takes 'just so'. Hopefully the album has more thought and care put  into the arrangements of the new songs. It looks like, from the studio photos, that Brian's band is on them - we haven't seen any other musicians, right - and that is heartwarming. I  just hope rushing the album for a summer release doesn't mean it's, y'know, rushed.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Micha on February 17, 2012, 06:21:35 AM
I wouldn't mind if the songs were old but never heard of. Besides, there's no way of telling if an unfamiliar song is new or old by merely listening to it.

If the recording is old, you can tell. There are specific sound characteristics to certain time frames. If the recording is new, you can't tell how old the song is if you haven't heard it before.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Roger Ryan on February 17, 2012, 06:51:04 AM
Apart from SURFIN' SAFARI and SURFIN' USA, has there ever been a Beach Boys (or solo) album that did not utilize a melody, song or track that had been sitting around for a couple of years or more?

I would be surprised if the new album is completely new.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 17, 2012, 07:02:26 AM
I wouldn't mind if the songs were old but never heard of. Besides, there's no way of telling if an unfamiliar song is new or old by merely listening to it.

If the recording is old, you can tell. There are specific sound characteristics to certain time frames. If the recording is new, you can't tell how old the song is if you haven't heard it before.

With todays technology, I believe you could take a song from the 80's or 90's and with new overdubs, it could sound
like a recent recording, which in fact, part of it would be new. It just depends on so many variables.

Autotune or no, rushed or not, I think the DIA remake sounds good, and it sounds remarkably like the Beach Boys, which
is not a given. The recent WHO album in 2006, didin't really sound ike them. McCartney and Ringo don't sound like the Beatles
most of the time, on their solo records. The new Three Dog Night songs don't sound like them.

What is the definition of rushed anyway? If you spend say a week or ten days on one fairly simple song, is that really rushed?
Sometimes if you spend a month or two on each song, you get overkill. It just depends, sometimes you get Good Vibrations,
but the technology was so different in 66-67 its not a fair comparison.

The only thing I have against the DIA remake is that it's a remake.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: lee on February 17, 2012, 07:35:19 AM
I'll be happy to have a new Beach Boys album regardless, I just hope that the production isn't too slick.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 17, 2012, 09:57:51 AM
Apart from SURFIN' SAFARI and SURFIN' USA, has there ever been a Beach Boys (or solo) album that did not utilize a melody, song or track that had been sitting around for a couple of years or more?

I would be surprised if the new album is completely new.

Even they weren't 100% new -  "Surfin' USA" (the song) was hardly original, a fact not lost on Chuck Berry's lawyers, and of course the d饕ut album's title track was a re-recording (not forgetting "Surfin'", leased from Hite Morgan).


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Roger Ryan on February 17, 2012, 10:25:49 AM
Apart from SURFIN' SAFARI and SURFIN' USA, has there ever been a Beach Boys (or solo) album that did not utilize a melody, song or track that had been sitting around for a couple of years or more?

I would be surprised if the new album is completely new.

Even they weren't 100% new -  "Surfin' USA" (the song) was hardly original, a fact not lost on Chuck Berry's lawyers, and of course the d饕ut album's title track was a re-recording (not forgetting "Surfin'", leased from Hite Morgan).

Right. I guess I thought I would make an exception for material worked on within a year previously*.

*Using that barometer (and excluding albums that contained covers of songs released more than a year previously), I'm thinking ALL SUMMER LONG, FRIENDS and BEACH BOYS '85 (?) would be the only albums of all new original material that the band ever released!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 17, 2012, 10:48:37 AM
Apart from SURFIN' SAFARI and SURFIN' USA, has there ever been a Beach Boys (or solo) album that did not utilize a melody, song or track that had been sitting around for a couple of years or more?

I would be surprised if the new album is completely new.

Even they weren't 100% new -  "Surfin' USA" (the song) was hardly original, a fact not lost on Chuck Berry's lawyers, and of course the d饕ut album's title track was a re-recording (not forgetting "Surfin'", leased from Hite Morgan).

Right. I guess I thought I would make an exception for material worked on within a year previously*.

*Using that barometer (and excluding albums that contained covers of songs released more than a year previously), I'm thinking ALL SUMMER LONG, FRIENDS and BEACH BOYS '85 (?) would be the only albums of all new original material that the band ever released!

"Little Bird" has a "CIFTTM" riff... the track for "Drive-in" was cut at the 10/63 "LSN" sessions (thus could well have David on it), while "Do You Remember" was roughed out as "The Big Beat" at least a year earlier... and "California Calling" has been carbon dated to 1982 9composition, not recording)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 17, 2012, 11:26:07 AM
Well Do It Again  was a quick fix arrangement and recording to test the waters - that could maybe explain the autotune, as time wasn't plentiful to get takes 'just so'. Hopefully the album has more thought and care put  into the arrangements of the new songs. It looks like, from the studio photos, that Brian's band is on them - we haven't seen any other musicians, right - and that is heartwarming. I  just hope rushing the album for a summer release doesn't mean it's, y'know, rushed.

As I stated in my compilation post, we have reason to believe that Joe Thomas's session musicians could be on a chunk of the album's tracks. You know, the Imagination guys.

As for rushing, I wouldn't worry. Most of Brian's albums over the last decade have been recorded in the span of a couple of weeks. (Work on vocals sometimes continues for a couple of months, on and off.) Brian doesn't really have the patience for much else.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 17, 2012, 12:03:44 PM
Not to nitpick, but there are 11 tracks there. Given the time pressures, how many more do you think they could realistically finish, mix and master for a June-ish release?

As for archival stuff, I was thinking that the Boys might go back to the mid-90s just for the chance to get a couple of Carl vocals. Dancin' isn't great, but it is a BW/ML co-write, correct? Black Widow was a total shot in the dark. Maybe they'll go with Adult Child material instead.  ;D

Finally, I understand the desire for a Dennis tribute, but I don't know how it would work. Dennis's songs wouldn't really fit. What else is in the can that could be used for an album like this that wouldn't work better on an all-archival release?

I'd rather hear "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" in its original, archival form but maybe it's not outside the realm of possibility they'd rework it for a new album.  What would be cooler, maybe, would be doing vocals for "I've Got a Friend".

Re reworking WIBNTLA - no, no, no, no, NO! Please God, no. Either release the original - and seriously, why the hell not just re-release the original? - or just pay tribute to Dennis in the sleeve notes, but no covers please, guys. If you don't have enough decent new material then what you releasing an album for? I wouldn't want to listen to their new version of Do It Again when I could listen to the original, likewise any song from their 60s-70s prime.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 17, 2012, 12:11:25 PM
Has anyone heard an album produced by Joe Thomas in the last few years. Is the sound he is
getting nowadays, any different from the sounds he got on the Your Imagination album.

Thomas worked on songs dating back to the sixties for the Imagination album, so he
certainly wouldn't have an aversion to reviewing unreleased older material. If he is involved
on the new album.

What else has he done that people can listen to.


I had no idea Wilson's Gershwin and Disney albums were cut in a matter of weeks. what about
Lucky Old Sun ? Lucky Old Sun would have been a great Beach Boys album.

Hopefully we will get a preview of the album with a second single, the titles, That's why God Made the Radio
and Bill and Sue whatever it is, those titles don't remind me of Midnights another day that's for sure.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 17, 2012, 12:16:42 PM

Thomas worked on songs dating back to the sixties for the Imagination album, so he
certainly wouldn't have an aversion to reviewing unreleased older material.



Sometimes I get the feeling, people think it's not right no revisit old material that was never recorded or released. As long as tthe material is good and the new recordings are as well, I'm totally fine with it. If it turns out to be GIOMH-like, that's something else... But Imagination's "She says that she needs me" is great and doesn't even sound too sterile compared to much of the other recordings on that album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on February 17, 2012, 01:22:44 PM
I wouldn't mind if the songs were old but never heard of. Besides, there's no way of telling if an unfamiliar song is new or old by merely listening to it.

Unless you've heard it before somewhere, of course.

In which case it wouldn't be unfamiliar.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 17, 2012, 02:01:01 PM
I had no idea Wilson's Gershwin and Disney albums were cut in a matter of weeks. what about
Lucky Old Sun ? Lucky Old Sun would have been a great Beach Boys album.

TLOS is more complicated. It originates with demos cut in the summer of 2006 -- many of Brian's leads on the album come from his demos.

The live performances in London were recorded and then used as the building blocks for the band's work in the studio (one of the reasons Bob Lizik, who had departed the band between the live shows and the studio recording, is credited as bassist for some of the tracks).

So the album was patched together from 1.) Brian and Scott's demos, 2.) the first live performances and 3.) some work at the Capitol Records studio. The time spent in the studio was pretty quick, though -- certainly closer to weeks rather than months.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 17, 2012, 02:14:00 PM
TLOS is more complicated. It originates with demos cut in the summer of 2006 -- many of Brian's leads on the album come from his demos.

The live performances in London were recorded and then used as the building blocks for the band's work in the studio (one of the reasons Bob Lizik, who had departed the band between the live shows and the studio recording, is credited as bassist for some of the tracks).

So the album was patched together from 1.) Brian and Scott's demos, 2.) the first live performances and 3.) some work at the Capitol Records studio. The time spent in the studio was pretty quick, though -- certainly closer to weeks rather than months.

I'm not aware of any live recording at the RFH in 2007: certainly no mobile was visible. There was an abortive attempt to record it in January 2008, then the sessions resumed in April. The liners make no mention of remote recording, and if any live shows had been used, then Jim Hines would have been credited as well, as he was also there in 2007. Not sure where you got that idea from, but it's spurious.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 17, 2012, 02:30:59 PM

Thomas worked on songs dating back to the sixties for the Imagination album, so he
certainly wouldn't have an aversion to reviewing unreleased older material.



Sometimes I get the feeling, people think it's not right no revisit old material that was never recorded or released. As long as tthe material is good and the new recordings are as well, I'm totally fine with it. If it turns out to be GIOMH-like, that's something else... But Imagination's "She says that she needs me" is great and doesn't even sound too sterile compared to much of the other recordings on that album.



I Love SHE SAYS THAT SHE NEEDS ME from the Imagination album. I had never heard of the song, in recent years I heard an original demo from the sixties
and realized it was an old tune. That they had used for the album in 99, or whatever year that was.

GIOMH has a couple nice tracks on it as well, Personally I like the one he wrote with Van Dyke and Soul Searchin, and one or two more. The song With
Elton John I didin't understand at all, it sounded like an Elton John record with harmonies by Wilson, and the one with McCartney had to be the biggest
letdown of the year. To think two people that great would finally cut a track and have it sound like that was baffling. It's awful that song. I love the Desert Drive song, that sounds like an old Beach Boys record, I love that one. I know thats an earlier song from some Paley sessions.

I find it interesting that Wilson cuts his albums in a matter of weeks or a couple months now. I expect TLOS is a more complicated album musically
than the new Beach Boys album will be.Anyway historically as AGD pointed out, almost all Beach Boy albums have tunes written a good deal earlier.
Wilson solo albums have the same thing.

Why Do people hate GIOMH, I hate parts of it, but I Like a few tunes, the one with Clapton is bad too, because its not a Wilson type of recording.




Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 17, 2012, 02:40:55 PM
I'd love to hear "Still A Mystery" and "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" given an official release on this new record. The latter would be a beautiful tribute to Dennis.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 17, 2012, 02:41:14 PM
http://www.emusician.com/news/0766/another-day-peering-into-the-creative-genius-of-brian-wilson/139364

Mark Linett:

"Some arrangement changes were made on the floor. This is something they had already played live as a 36-minute suite of songs at London痴 Royal Festival Hall. Although this music had been performed, and we actually already recorded a live version at that point, once you get in the studio, things tend to change."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Too Much Sugar on February 17, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
The New York Times recently talked with Brian and Mike.  Some interesting tidbits on the album.  According to Brian, it's about "half way done". 

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/a-few-words-with-the-beach-boys/



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on February 17, 2012, 06:13:35 PM
The New York Times recently talked with Brian and Mike.  Some interesting tidbits on the album.  According to Brian, it's about "half way done". 

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/a-few-words-with-the-beach-boys/




That's a great interview!  Thanks for the link.
Oh, and the new Wilsonism: "On the album, one song flows into another and that flows into another like that, until it痴 over, until there痴 no more album."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: urbanite on February 17, 2012, 06:40:15 PM
It is noteworthy that Mike says that one song is as good anything they've ever done.  I hope he means it and that he's not talking meaningless hype.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on February 17, 2012, 07:52:14 PM
Am I the only who is not convinced the new 'Do It Again' will be on the album?  I mean, if it's really going to be a 'mellow' album with a suite at the end, this track would stick out like a sore thumb.  I've not seen any mention anywhere that this new recording will be on the new album.  It's been described as a recording made 'just to see what it would sound like' and seems to be used to promote the tour and the reunion in general.

in fact, by the time the album comes out, 'Do It Again' will be old news.  I'm sure the 'lead' track will be something else entirely.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 17, 2012, 08:07:56 PM
Given that both Brian and the Beach Boy have never been shy about including remakes on their past albums -- including remakes of big hits -- I don't think the inclusion of Do It Again 2012 is inconceivable. As a purely aesthetic matter, I would prefer it be left off, too. But maybe they think it's a hit.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 17, 2012, 10:10:40 PM
Am I the only who is not convinced the new 'Do It Again' will be on the album?  I mean, if it's really going to be a 'mellow' album with a suite at the end, this track would stick out like a sore thumb.  I've not seen any mention anywhere that this new recording will be on the new album.  It's been described as a recording made 'just to see what it would sound like' and seems to be used to promote the tour and the reunion in general.

in fact, by the time the album comes out, 'Do It Again' will be old news.  I'm sure the 'lead' track will be something else entirely.


I'll play devil's advocate and say, possibly, they might need to use the DIA remake if all the other material is
on the mellow side. Even a mellow album, might need one or two songs that rock a little, or offer contrast to the main
body of songs.

That New York Times article, the reporter says, Love and Wilson's description is a bit like Pet Sounds or SmiLe, and they
agree with the reporter, yes, there is a (he didn't say medley) a bit on the end, and Wilson says all the songs, flow into
one another, I Got excited as hell when I read that, and dreamed as big as the moon, wondering could there be the Smile
Sessions and a new album that was actually up there with their great work, WOW.


OK back to the question, Who knows, DIA could be a exclusive bonus track on Itunes or Best Buy, it could be on the album
proper, it could depend on the final sequence, the running time, if they end with a finished album of 36 minutes, might they
not be tempted, to , add DIA to add length. They could use it on the album, and say the reason, was primarily because
Dennis Wilson was included on the album that way. Because some of his playing was sampled.

I like to gamble when I have nothing at stake, I haven't a clue whether they will use it or not. I would say they will, if they
need another song that rocks a little. Even a mellow album needs one or two rockier songs, for contrast, in most instances.


OK now whats the over under on whether a theramin makes it to the album ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 17, 2012, 10:53:11 PM
http://www.emusician.com/news/0766/another-day-peering-into-the-creative-genius-of-brian-wilson/139364

Mark Linett:

"Some arrangement changes were made on the floor. This is something they had already played live as a 36-minute suite of songs at London痴 Royal Festival Hall. Although this music had been performed, and we actually already recorded a live version at that point, once you get in the studio, things tend to change."

A live version, and no mention of it either being from an RFH show or used at all in the final version.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 17, 2012, 11:16:16 PM
TLOS is more complicated. It originates with demos cut in the summer of 2006 -- many of Brian's leads on the album come from his demos.

The live performances in London were recorded and then used as the building blocks for the band's work in the studio (one of the reasons Bob Lizik, who had departed the band between the live shows and the studio recording, is credited as bassist for some of the tracks).

So the album was patched together from 1.) Brian and Scott's demos, 2.) the first live performances and 3.) some work at the Capitol Records studio. The time spent in the studio was pretty quick, though -- certainly closer to weeks rather than months.

I'm not aware of any live recording at the RFH in 2007: certainly no mobile was visible. There was an abortive attempt to record it in January 2008, then the sessions resumed in April. The liners make no mention of remote recording, and if any live shows had been used, then Jim Hines would have been credited as well, as he was also there in 2007. Not sure where you got that idea from, but it's spurious.

That Lucky Old Sun DVD.

In the bonus features. "Behind the Scenes in the Studio for the Making of the Album."

45 seconds in. Probyn, Sucherman, Scott Bennett, Jeff and Walusko get ready to play. (No bass player present.)

Probyn: "Oh, is there someone playing bass on this?"

Scott: "Yeah. I've got Lizik's live bass that I've pro tooled on with the clicks."



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 17, 2012, 11:53:57 PM
Therefore.

The January TLOS sessions didn't work out. Bob Lizik was not part of the April sessions -- at least not as depicted in the DVD. So is it crazy to extrapolate that the reason he is credited on the TLOS album is because Scott pro-tooled in bass lines from a live show?

However.

I likely overstated my case in saying the live recording was used as a foundation for the '08 studio work. While bass parts are certainly foundational, that same doc suggests that elements from the BW/SB '06 demos were also used as guides in the studio.

I'll also admit that I have no idea where live recording was done. I had thought that the only place TLOS had been played live up to that point was in London. Looking at Eric's setlist archive, I see it was also performed in Manchester and Birmingham, so recording could have been done at either site.

Finally.

The fact that "The liners make no mention of remote recording" strikes me as a weak point in this case. Many of Brian's vocals on the album come from his summer 2006 work with Scott in his house. However, Scott receives no engineering or studio credit on the record, and those sessions are not mentioned.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jay on February 18, 2012, 02:16:05 AM
Apart from SURFIN' SAFARI and SURFIN' USA, has there ever been a Beach Boys (or solo) album that did not utilize a melody, song or track that had been sitting around for a couple of years or more?

I would be surprised if the new album is completely new.

Even they weren't 100% new -  "Surfin' USA" (the song) was hardly original, a fact not lost on Chuck Berry's lawyers, and of course the d饕ut album's title track was a re-recording (not forgetting "Surfin'", leased from Hite Morgan).

Right. I guess I thought I would make an exception for material worked on within a year previously*.

*Using that barometer (and excluding albums that contained covers of songs released more than a year previously), I'm thinking ALL SUMMER LONG, FRIENDS and BEACH BOYS '85 (?) would be the only albums of all new original material that the band ever released!

"Little Bird" has a "CIFTTM" riff... the track for "Drive-in" was cut at the 10/63 "LSN" sessions (thus could well have David on it), while "Do You Remember" was roughed out as "The Big Beat" at least a year earlier... and "California Calling" has been carbon dated to 1982 9composition, not recording)
I read somewhere(many years ago) that Getcha Back existed in some form when Dennis was alive. Is this true?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 18, 2012, 02:37:06 AM
I read somewhere(many years ago) that Getcha Back existed in some form when Dennis was alive. Is this true?

I'd not heard that, but it's just about possible - Hungry Heart came out in 1980, and Uptown Girl in September 83, so it's possible that between September and December either Love or Melcher said "Let's do Hungry Heart, but with the whoahs from Uptown Girl - and why not stick in the hook from Sail On Sailor, slowed down a bit and in four/four time?"

(It's not really the most original of songs)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: c-man on February 18, 2012, 12:48:24 PM
Therefore.

The January TLOS sessions didn't work out. Bob Lizik was not part of the April sessions -- at least not as depicted in the DVD. So is it crazy to extrapolate that the reason he is credited on the TLOS album is because Scott pro-tooled in bass lines from a live show?

However.

I likely overstated my case in saying the live recording was used as a foundation for the '08 studio work. While bass parts are certainly foundational, that same doc suggests that elements from the BW/SB '06 demos were also used as guides in the studio.

I'll also admit that I have no idea where live recording was done. I had thought that the only place TLOS had been played live up to that point was in London. Looking at Eric's setlist archive, I see it was also performed in Manchester and Birmingham, so recording could have been done at either site.

Finally.

The fact that "The liners make no mention of remote recording" strikes me as a weak point in this case. Many of Brian's vocals on the album come from his summer 2006 work with Scott in his house. However, Scott receives no engineering or studio credit on the record, and those sessions are not mentioned.

I believe TLOS was also performed in Australia, late 2007.  And I believe Bob's basslines were flown in from the demos, just like some of Brian's vocals.  The demos as they have been leaked are pretty elaborate & well-produced, and we know Scott and Darian worked on them pretty extensively while Brian and the rest of the band were touring Europe in the summer of '07, so it's not hard to imagine they had Bob in adding basslines at some point between 2006 and 2007.  Finally, Scott DOES receive studio credit on the record:  "Additional Production" (as well as co-mixing).


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 18, 2012, 01:36:01 PM
Close enough - first week of January 2008.  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 18, 2012, 01:39:32 PM
Therefore.

The January TLOS sessions didn't work out. Bob Lizik was not part of the April sessions -- at least not as depicted in the DVD. So is it crazy to extrapolate that the reason he is credited on the TLOS album is because Scott pro-tooled in bass lines from a live show?

However.

I likely overstated my case in saying the live recording was used as a foundation for the '08 studio work. While bass parts are certainly foundational, that same doc suggests that elements from the BW/SB '06 demos were also used as guides in the studio.

I'll also admit that I have no idea where live recording was done. I had thought that the only place TLOS had been played live up to that point was in London. Looking at Eric's setlist archive, I see it was also performed in Manchester and Birmingham, so recording could have been done at either site.

Finally.

The fact that "The liners make no mention of remote recording" strikes me as a weak point in this case. Many of Brian's vocals on the album come from his summer 2006 work with Scott in his house. However, Scott receives no engineering or studio credit on the record, and those sessions are not mentioned.

I believe TLOS was also performed in Australia, late 2007.  And I believe Bob's basslines were flown in from the demos, just like some of Brian's vocals.  The demos as they have been leaked are pretty elaborate & well-produced, and we know Scott and Darian worked on them pretty extensively while Brian and the rest of the band were touring Europe in the summer of '07, so it's not hard to imagine they had Bob in adding basslines at some point between 2006 and 2007.  Finally, Scott DOES receive studio credit on the record:  "Additional Production" (as well as co-mixing).

When I said studio credit, I meant that literally. Scott's home studio was not credited as a place where the album was recorded.

Good points, though.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 18, 2012, 01:41:41 PM
The mystery remains, however, why Scott would say that he had flown in Bob's bassline from a live show. I mean, why not from a demo, then? Or if there were "personnel issues," why even bring it up at all?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 18, 2012, 02:51:33 PM
He didn't say it was from a live show, just that it was a 'live' bass - presumably, as opposed to sampled.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on February 18, 2012, 05:29:16 PM
He didn't say it was from a live show, just that it was a 'live' bass - presumably, as opposed to sampled.

yes, or perhaps 'live' as in, all playing together


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: juggler on February 18, 2012, 06:54:04 PM
It is noteworthy that Mike says that one song is as good anything they've ever done.  I hope he means it and that he's not talking meaningless hype.


As much as we'd all like Mike's statement to be proven true, I think that the chances are pretty slim that they're going to knock out something on par with 'God Only Knows' or 'Good Vibrations' or any of the classics of that era. 

Hope for the best, but prepare for something less.  And "less" is fine, as far as I'm concerned.  The body of work that Brian and Co. have produced over the last 50 years speaks for itself. Anything else that we get is gravy at this point.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 19, 2012, 12:02:11 AM
It is noteworthy that Mike says that one song is as good anything they've ever done.  I hope he means it and that he's not talking meaningless hype.


As much as we'd all like Mike's statement to be proven true, I think that the chances are pretty slim that they're going to knock out something on par with 'God Only Knows' or 'Good Vibrations' or any of the classics of that era. 

Hope for the best, but prepare for something less.  And "less" is fine, as far as I'm concerned.  The body of work that Brian and Co. have produced over the last 50 years speaks for itself. Anything else that we get is gravy at this point.


That's what came to my mind also, when I read those comments, as good as Good Vibrations or God Only Knows?
Maybe it really is. Or close. Maybe Mike Love doesn't consider the songs from Pet Sounds or SMiLe to be their peak.
Maybe and I really have no idea, but perhaps Love thinks of California Girls or Help Me Rhonda or Warmth of the sun
as the Beach boys peak, or Holland or Friends,

Whatever the case, I am hoping, that, the Beach Boys themselves are thinking, we haven't made an album in 15-20 years
together, this could well be the last time. We'll make enough money just on the live shows, and DVD, We want our new
album to be special.

Maybe Wilson has been sandbagging a couple of great songs for some years, in case this ever happened. Or maybe
at this late date, Love and Jardine and Johnston will bring out the best Brian Wilson has to offer, even though Wilson
denied it to himself, and even without his brothers, Maybe Wilson is inspired to hit one more out of the Park.

When they start talking about a song suite to end the album, and one song flowing into another, and one song being
as good as anything they ever did, when they agree with the interviewer, that the new album, has a bit of SMile and Pet sounds
in it's ambiance or songwriting, don't tell me you're not excited. Come on!

I think these guys have always been super competitive and I have a hunch this album is important to them, that they are happy
to be in the limelight and well regarded with the Smile release, This might be special.

I have no facts or inside information. They are my homeboys, LA's favorite native sons, I'm rooting for the home team.
I think they are gonna deliver something good, not just to make a buck, SMile or Pet Sounds no I doubt it. But something
better than we thought.





Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 19, 2012, 12:30:06 AM
Will this be the best album since Love You?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 19, 2012, 12:39:41 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: RadBooley on February 19, 2012, 12:43:52 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D
Counting The SMiLE Sessions in there?  :P


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 19, 2012, 12:47:36 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D

Dr. Primrose, may your faith be an inspiration to us all.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 19, 2012, 01:40:02 AM
Well Do It Again  was a quick fix arrangement and recording to test the waters - that could maybe explain the autotune, as time wasn't plentiful to get takes 'just so'. Hopefully the album has more thought and care put  into the arrangements of the new songs. It looks like, from the studio photos, that Brian's band is on them - we haven't seen any other musicians, right - and that is heartwarming. I  just hope rushing the album for a summer release doesn't mean it's, y'know, rushed.

As I stated in my compilation post, we have reason to believe that Joe Thomas's session musicians could be on a chunk of the album's tracks. You know, the Imagination guys.


We do? Only thing I can think of is a) Joe Thomas' involvement itself and b) that drummer tweeting he was involved with Do It Again in june last year despite this not being the case on the final mix.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 19, 2012, 01:56:13 AM
As I stated in my compilation post, we have reason to believe that Joe Thomas's session musicians could be on a chunk of the album's tracks. You know, the Imagination guys.

I don't see that as meaning the new album will sound like Imagination. That was a contemporary sound at the time and it's not anymore.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 19, 2012, 02:23:32 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D

I don't know... if they manage something as competent as LA (Light Album) at this point I will be very happy and very surprised.
On the other hand, I can't see it possibly being any worse than KTSA or any of the albums after that.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 19, 2012, 05:44:10 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D

I don't know... if they manage something as competent as LA (Light Album) at this point I will be very happy and very surprised.
On the other hand, I can't see it possibly being any worse than KTSA or any of the albums after that.

How about something in the spirit of 'Still Cruisin'' then? A half-new LP with some rap. And a Beach Boys Medley. I think it's a great idea.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 19, 2012, 06:31:16 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D

I don't know... if they manage something as competent as LA (Light Album) at this point I will be very happy and very surprised.
On the other hand, I can't see it possibly being any worse than KTSA or any of the albums after that.

How about something in the spirit of 'Still Cruisin'' then? A half-new LP with some rap. And a Beach Boys Medley. I think it's a great idea.

Don, you missed the "C" off "rap".


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 19, 2012, 06:51:52 AM
Given the competition... very likely.  ;D

I don't know... if they manage something as competent as LA (Light Album) at this point I will be very happy and very surprised.
On the other hand, I can't see it possibly being any worse than KTSA or any of the albums after that.

How about something in the spirit of 'Still Cruisin'' then? A half-new LP with some rap. And a Beach Boys Medley. I think it's a great idea.

Don, you missed the "C" off "rap".

That was me being mild and modest as ever. These are only two of my myriad outstanding qualities.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 19, 2012, 07:42:57 AM
Maybe the new album, is just part of a highly calculated business plan, to top off the
retirement funds, or ancillary to the other marketing, Tour, Merchandise, live DVD.
Maybe the album was simply another revenue stream, cooked up by businessmen.

I have no idea really of the behind the scenes workings. Maybe it started that way
and has evolved, because of the success of SMiLe and the joy they experienced, when
they actually sang together.

In my mind trying to walk in their shoes for a moment. I see the Beach Boys legacy as
being on an upswing after being tarnished by some lesser albums near the end of their
run. SmiLe made them hero's again. They are back on Capitol, getting full label support,
Everyone involved seems to be jazzed, Mike and Brian and Al are all giving interviews.
This has the appearance of the Beach Boys really trying to sing together, and make the
best album they can, and possibly a near great album, possibly great.

Am I wrong, is this album just a cash stream, I really feel that it's not just that. Will the
politics between them and their management, make this album just another way to make cash.

I feel the label and the band are all very excited, and smug, because they know they have a good
album on their hands.

I see they are also getting lots of free press in big publications. Beach Boys finally getting their
due with their swan song?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ArchStanton on February 19, 2012, 09:38:47 AM
I could be wrong, but I don't see the album as an essential part of the reunion "business plan."  If anything, it's a risk because if it's a dud it could set them back slightly.  So I hope you're right and they are sitting on something good that will only help the "cause."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 19, 2012, 10:00:19 AM
I was just reading wikipedia and a couple things about Joe Thomas, he produces rock video for television.
He seems like an aggressive guy who almost fits the description more of, a business man, or Don Kirshner
gets the financing in order, makes the trains run on time.

Nowhere is there any mention, he is an arranger, or musician or has actual musical credentials. He seems
more like a manager than what I think of as a record producer. But record producer is a variable term.

I think of Phil Spector, Richard Perry, Rick Rubin, Jack White, It doesn't matter to me. I Like parts of the
Imagination album, I found it to be somewhat bloated, 80's MOR sounding, and the Beach Boy covers
baffling, why do those? The Beach Boys already did them well.

So I'm not knocking the guys involvement, but I do see equal parts, Don Kirshner, Gene Landy, and Irv Azoff
more than what we typically think of as a guy, helping to arrange material, or who is known for a musical
sound as a result of his particular expertise or style.

Maybe he just see's that things get done, and cuts through red tape or visualizes the big picture. I don't know.

For me Cry, Lay Down Burden, She Says That's she needs me and Your Imagination, those four cuts, are terrific
good choice of material and execution at any rate. The Two Beach Boys remakes while sounding good, whats
the point of that? When a guy releases his first album in a decade, do we want two of the ten songs to be remakes
of successful Beach Boys tracks from the sixties?

Enough about Thomas, when do we get to hear the lead off single ? May ? when will something leak? Any chance
we'll hear something in April? Would they debut a single 6-10 weeks before the album comes out? I know they probably
wouldn't, but one can hope. Rock on Beach Boys!

I still believe, particularly after the success of TLOS, SMiLE and the DIA video, a tremendous album is not out of the question.
I can't picture them (Johnston, Love Wilson) hyping how terrific it is, if they didn't really believe it. They must all be pretty
comfortable financially, and the tour and DVD will make them a mint.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on February 19, 2012, 11:37:13 AM
Quote
I don't see that as meaning the new album will sound like Imagination. That was a contemporary sound at the time and it's not anymore.

It wasn't contemporary at that time either...that was one of the reasons why I hated it on first listen. Instantly dated and sterile sounding.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on February 19, 2012, 12:23:16 PM
Given Brian's run of albums since BWPS I think a great album is well within their grasp. Really at the moment we know zip about the new material. I'll not bother speculating on what might be from the info given so far in interviews. My personal preference would be that it's all new Brian Wilson compositions in collaboration with whoever he chooses and if other band member material is included it is because it merits inclusion. No remakes or finishing tracks by Dennis or Carl . All new stuff please boys.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 19, 2012, 01:07:53 PM
Two things that come to mind as being in their favour as I read Vintagemusic's post:

1. Sufficient time has passed since their last band albums for the public at large to have forgotten the likes of BBs85, Summer In Paradise, and Stars & Stripes. In the minds of the man in the street, the Beach Boys have again come to be Pet Sounds, SMiLE and Today. The cream has risen to the top, as far as memories of the Beach Boys output in concerned.

2. Whether or not he's hands-on with the board, instructs others to do his bidding or merely passes judgement on what others lay before him in his name, Brian Wilson has reasserted himself as a producer. GIOMH might have been so-so but BWPS, TLOS, BWRiG and IKoD represent a string of albums which have all been either good, bloody good or bloody marvellous.

Almost as if BW's been in training while the Beach Boys lie low in terms of recording and effectively have their slate wiped clean by natural forces. Almost as if things are aligning themselves for everything to come together and create something wonderful.

My, this Glenfiddich is hitting the spot. Thing is, give it six months and we might all be crying into our whisky, whiskey, bourbon or meths...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 19, 2012, 01:17:17 PM
Given Brian's run of albums since BWPS I think a great album is well within their grasp. Really at the moment we know zip about the new material. I'll not bother speculating on what might be from the info given so far in interviews. My personal preference would be that it's all new Brian Wilson compositions in collaboration with whoever he chooses and if other band member material is included it is because it merits inclusion. No remakes or finishing tracks by Dennis or Carl . All new stuff please boys.


Well I agree The Thomas production technique of Imagination, was dated by about a decade. Kind of MOR 80's.

Now as far as the material, as AGD pointed out, rarely if ever, has Wilson or the Beach Boys ever released an album
that didn't have some older material from the song bag included. I'd say it depends on what they have on Carl Wilson
in the can, if they have a good sounding vocal of a good tune, and they can redo some or all of the backing, and include
one or two songs that include Carl Wilson why not. But I don't know they would even consider that. I would agree the
album would benefit from mostly new songs, but good songs the public has never heard, would have to be the biggest
factor, or songs that go well together, regardless of whether it was written five or ten years ago.

An album of several remakes would be kind of a disappointment
I get the feeling, certainly Mike Love and maybe the other Beach Boys will get some co-writers
or writers credits.o obviously Wilson is the great songwriter of the bunch. I don't think anyone disagrees with that

I mean if Love really did write the lyrics to California Girls and Good Vibrations and some of those tunes, as credited
I don't see how they can block him from co writing at least one or two songs. Johnston and Jardine have written
some good Beach Boy tunes, wouldn't they get one song each perhaps.

I'd rather a see a Brian Wilson dominated album (compositionally) in the feel of Pet Sounds, who wouldn't?

My friend a Beach Boy fan and watcher, disagrees, he thinks with Love's influence we are more apt to get a Today or
Summer Days type of album. Either way wouldn't it be nice

When will descriptions of tracks or a single start to leak or some snippets? or first hand accounts

Love said in the New York Times interview dated te 17th Feb, that in a couple weeks sessions would start
and go until they were finished. I found that odd, because Wilson said a few songs were still yet to be written. Maybe
it will be very quick once they have the momentum of 7-8 songs in the can



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 19, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
Well Do It Again  was a quick fix arrangement and recording to test the waters - that could maybe explain the autotune, as time wasn't plentiful to get takes 'just so'. Hopefully the album has more thought and care put  into the arrangements of the new songs. It looks like, from the studio photos, that Brian's band is on them - we haven't seen any other musicians, right - and that is heartwarming. I  just hope rushing the album for a summer release doesn't mean it's, y'know, rushed.

As I stated in my compilation post, we have reason to believe that Joe Thomas's session musicians could be on a chunk of the album's tracks. You know, the Imagination guys.


We do? Only thing I can think of is a) Joe Thomas' involvement itself and b) that drummer tweeting he was involved with Do It Again in june last year despite this not being the case on the final mix.

That's not what the drummer (Eddie Bayers) said. While there may have been a tweet or two involved, I was actually thinking of a quote from Rolling Stone article.

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,11177.msg216183.html#msg216183

"Beach Boys session vet Eddie Bayers says he recently played drums on new Wilson tracks slated for a Beach Boys reunion record. 'Brian's new creations are just unbelievable,' says Bayers."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: krabklaw on February 19, 2012, 03:24:03 PM
I've got the perfect album title and cover concept :-D:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52684612/BeachBoys50.jpg)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 19, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
How about something that has nothing to do with the ocean? that would be something. but I doubt it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 19, 2012, 05:58:31 PM
They are such an iconic group they could probably get away without their name on the front cover. We here are not keen on the 'Beach' aspect and 'Boys'?  ;)

Last week group shots were done according to David himself. I hope these are for inside or maybe the back rather than the cover.





Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 19, 2012, 06:29:19 PM
They are such an iconic group they could probably get away without their name on the front cover. We here are not keen on the 'Beach' aspect and 'Boys'?  ;)

Last week group shots were done according to David himself. I hope these are for inside or maybe the back rather than the cover.




Let's see here. We are fans of this band, yet it sounds like we are ashamed of their name (no name on the cover), their age (no picture of the band), and maybe don't try to sound like The Beach Boys, because from since 1978 The Beach Boys tried too hard to sound like The Beach Boys (from another thread, here). sh*t, these guys don't stand a chance of pleasing us, their die-hard fans. Yikes! ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: urbanite on February 19, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
The Five-O suggestion isn't bad.  Unless it's really clever, it's probably better to stay away fron ocean and beach references, and please no titles like reunion or celebration.  My favorite title that's been tossed around is The Fading Rock Group Revival.   


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: 18thofMay on February 19, 2012, 09:08:13 PM
Please close this thread, Phil say's it is not coming out.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 19, 2012, 10:16:44 PM
Please close this thread, Phil say's it is not coming out.
Huh?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on February 20, 2012, 12:14:12 AM
Please close this thread, Phil say's it is not coming out.
Huh?

haha, that's just a joke

The albums on


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 20, 2012, 12:54:59 AM
They are such an iconic group they could probably get away without their name on the front cover. We here are not keen on the 'Beach' aspect and 'Boys'?  ;)

Last week group shots were done according to David himself. I hope these are for inside or maybe the back rather than the cover.




Let's see here. We are fans of this band, yet it sounds like we are ashamed of their name (no name on the cover), their age (no picture of the band), and maybe don't try to sound like The Beach Boys, because from since 1978 The Beach Boys tried too hard to sound like The Beach Boys (from another thread, here). sh*t, these guys don't stand a chance of pleasing us, their die-hard fans. Yikes! ;)


Not at all. Its just that group cover ohoto's seem so dated and old fashioned. Shall we haul a Woody up to Paradise Cove for ya? :lol

                                                                                           


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: absinthe_boy on February 20, 2012, 04:21:47 AM
Given Brian's run of albums since BWPS I think a great album is well within their grasp. Really at the moment we know zip about the new material. I'll not bother speculating on what might be from the info given so far in interviews. My personal preference would be that it's all new Brian Wilson compositions in collaboration with whoever he chooses and if other band member material is included it is because it merits inclusion. No remakes or finishing tracks by Dennis or Carl . All new stuff please boys.

Brian has had a good run of albums since BWPS...let us not forget the Christmas record too...in addition to the aforementioned TLOS, Gershwin and Disney. A run of albums which are all coherent, fairly consistent in quality and each of which has at least one standout track.

Given that we know Mike has some unreleased songs he's been working on for a while, there is no reason why the guys together cannot produce a high quality album. As for Mike referencing one Brian song that is supposedly great....Take a look at the better work on TLOS and you will possibly agree with me that Brian still has it within him to come up with stunning melodies and harmonies.

Mike is being pretty magnanimous these days, opening 'his' band to bring in half of Brian's...talking openly about playing SMiLE tracks on the tour....this could just be a perfect storm brewing for one last really good (if not great) BB record.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: c-man on February 20, 2012, 04:55:42 AM
The mystery remains, however, why Scott would say that he had flown in Bob's bassline from a live show. I mean, why not from a demo, then? Or if there were "personnel issues," why even bring it up at all?

Sorry, I missed the "live" part of the aforementioned quote.  Alright, you make good points.  A few other points worth mentioning: he also said there was a click track present...it would've been easy enough for the players in the live band to have been given an in-ear monitor feed with the click track for live performances, hence it would make sense to start a partial (mostly) studio re-recording with the same click track (and bass part, as it were).  As to why Bob's bass wasn't used on the track "Southern California":  the studio version was longer than the live version, with the added bridge, so it had to be redone by Scott (or Scott had a longer studio demo in the can from which his bass was flown in). 

As to why there was no mentiion of the location of the live performance recording: well, if you look at the studio credits in the liner notes, they only appear after the assistant engineers' names (i.e. "Aaron Walk and Paul Smith at Capitol and Kevin Mills at Henson);  Mark Linett is credited as the "over all" engineer, which implies there could've been other recording locations for which Mark was the sole engineer, but there was no need to mention them since there were no other engineers involved (even though it's likely that he would have an assistant or two for all sessions and including the live recordings, and it still doesn't explain why Scott wasn't given a credit along the lines of "Additional engineering" or "Demo engineering").  But a better reason might simply be due to oversight (in the course of my research, I've discovered there were a few times in the BB's career where a studio or two was left out of the liner notes, such as on the "L.A. Light Album" for instance). 

As to why the drums had to be re-recorded for the album:  during the recording of the live performance, the drums were mic'd (had to be, since they were real acoustic drums, not the electronic kind), so naturaully there would be a fair amount of leakage from other sources (the audience, the rest of the band), particularly in the overhead mics.  Eliminating that problem required the tracking of new drum performances in the studio.  The live bass, on the other hand, would have been recorded directly from a line out rather than with a microphone in front of the amp, hence no leakage.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: filledeplage on February 20, 2012, 06:07:04 AM
I've got the perfect album title and cover concept :-D:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/52684612/BeachBoys50.jpg)

Cracked me up! 

Very clever...

The "Five-0" might be protected...

But, not the wave!   ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: PhilSpectre on February 20, 2012, 12:09:30 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.

I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released), as it seems wierd to me to have the Beach Boys without Carl (and Dennis for that matter) represented. But then, Summer in Paradise had no Brian input at all, so I guess for me, you can have the Beach Boys as long as you have at least one Wilson brother involved. Otherwise, it's a 'BB related' project.  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 20, 2012, 12:10:22 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.




Summer Celebration
How's about that ?  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 20, 2012, 12:29:02 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.

I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released), as it seems wierd to me to have the Beach Boys without Carl (and Dennis for that matter) represented. But then, Summer in Paradise had no Brian input at all, so I guess for me, you can have the Beach Boys as long as you have at least one Wilson brother involved. Otherwise, it's a 'BB related' project.  :)

Bassist Brett Simons' personal website lists the title as being "Celebration."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 20, 2012, 12:40:12 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.

I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released), as it seems wierd to me to have the Beach Boys without Carl (and Dennis for that matter) represented. But then, Summer in Paradise had no Brian input at all, so I guess for me, you can have the Beach Boys as long as you have at least one Wilson brother involved. Otherwise, it's a 'BB related' project.  :)

Bassist Brett Simons' personal website lists the title as being "Celebration."

Celebration was also the name of Mike's almost-fogotten band way back when, which did a few tracks for the Almost Summer soundtrack.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on February 20, 2012, 01:21:40 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.

I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released), as it seems wierd to me to have the Beach Boys without Carl (and Dennis for that matter) represented. But then, Summer in Paradise had no Brian input at all, so I guess for me, you can have the Beach Boys as long as you have at least one Wilson brother involved. Otherwise, it's a 'BB related' project.  :)

Bassist Brett Simons' personal website lists the title as being "Celebration."

Couldn't help but notice that Brett is rather busy on Tour with Melissa Etheridge and has a number of dates which conflicts with not only the preperation for the BB's Tour but also some BB's gig dates therefore;
1) Is there going to be a rotation of Bass Players on the tour ??
2) Who is playing Bass on the new album ?
or 3) Have the backing tracks already been laid down ??

Interesting 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on February 20, 2012, 01:24:11 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.

I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released), as it seems wierd to me to have the Beach Boys without Carl (and Dennis for that matter) represented. But then, Summer in Paradise had no Brian input at all, so I guess for me, you can have the Beach Boys as long as you have at least one Wilson brother involved. Otherwise, it's a 'BB related' project.  :)



And a rather enjoyable follow up album simply named 'Celebration' , always liked 'Starbaby' and the Cover of 'Gettin' Hungry'



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on February 20, 2012, 02:01:32 PM
This 50th anniversary album is a sham: This is Brian's way of getting the guys to sing on his Pleasure Island album ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 20, 2012, 07:08:50 PM
I have no inside knowledge, but I have a gut feeling the new album will be called 'Celebration', for good or ill. It seems to be an appropriate Beach Boys brand name for the whole 50th anniversary tour/ album package. At least the title doesn't have 'Summer' in it.

I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released), as it seems weird to me to have the Beach Boys without Carl (and Dennis for that matter) represented. But then, Summer in Paradise had no Brian input at all, so I guess for me, you can have the Beach Boys as long as you have at least one Wilson brother involved. Otherwise, it's a 'BB related' project.  :)

Bassist Brett Simons' personal website lists the title as being "Celebration."




On a scale of one to ten, ten being best. I would give the title "Celebration" about a four possibly five.
Just the way it grabs you, it's meaning, It certainly isn't a good title like Pet Sounds or Smile or Abbey Road or Band on the Run
Layla and other assorted love songs, it's not that good. It's kind of sterile sounding, not a lot of imagination.
At least it's not a terrible title. it's acceptable but not very good. IMO


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: dmcguire70 on February 20, 2012, 07:16:52 PM
I really hope and pray that the boys don't use any kind of excessive pitch correction on the vocals for the new album, after listening however to Do it Again-Particularly Mikes main vocal- it's looking quite possible that may be the case.
I hope I'm wrong!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Alex on February 20, 2012, 08:34:01 PM
If Brett is going to be on the road with Melissa Etheridge,  it would be the perfect oppurtuity to get Eddie Carter back into the BBs band.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 20, 2012, 08:43:21 PM
If Brett is going to be on the road with Melissa Etheridge,  it would be the perfect oppurtuity to get Eddie Carter back into the BBs band.

His website explicitly says he will be with her for February and March dates. The BBs start in April.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on February 20, 2012, 09:36:47 PM
I actually think Celebration is a good title too.  need a good cover though.  I wish the guy who did TLOS would do it


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 21, 2012, 12:30:18 AM
1) Is there going to be a rotation of Bass Players on the tour ??
2) Who is playing Bass on the new album ?
or 3) Have the backing tracks already been laid down ??

1) yeah - Carol Kaye/James Jamerson/Carol Kaye/Bob Lizik/Carol Kaye. Carol will also be playing drums, guitar, keys, tannerin and mallets
2) see above.
3) Some have.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 21, 2012, 12:54:56 AM
1) Is there going to be a rotation of Bass Players on the tour ??
2) Who is playing Bass on the new album ?
or 3) Have the backing tracks already been laid down ??

1) yeah - Carol Kaye/James Jamerson/Carol Kaye/Bob Lizik/Carol Kaye. Carol will also be playing drums, guitar, keys, tannerin and mallets
2) see above.
3) Some have.


  Please Tell us more Andrew, about any backing tracks, songs, overdubs, vocals. anything about the recordings
that doesn't violate or go over the line of any confidences, or bean spilling. Tell us what you can, without upsetting you're friends


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on February 21, 2012, 01:34:12 AM
Celebration would be a sensible if uninspired title. All of the promotion for this album should obviously be focused on the 50 year anniversary and the reunion element meaning that the style of music contained within would be less important and they could leave the fun in the sun stuff behind.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 21, 2012, 01:49:19 AM
1) Is there going to be a rotation of Bass Players on the tour ??
2) Who is playing Bass on the new album ?
or 3) Have the backing tracks already been laid down ??

1) yeah - Carol Kaye/James Jamerson/Carol Kaye/Bob Lizik/Carol Kaye. Carol will also be playing drums, guitar, keys, tannerin and mallets
2) see above.
3) Some have.


  Please Tell us more Andrew, about any backing tracks, songs, overdubs, vocals. anything about the recordings
that doesn't violate or go over the line of any confidences, or bean spilling. Tell us what you can, without upsetting you're friends

I think AGD's already going to have upset Carol Kaye by breaking her confidence regarding her upcoming work with the Beach Lads.  Bet she never talks to him again!   :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Emdeeh on February 21, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
I also hope they manage to find and include at least one quality 'new' Carl lead vocal (not Soul Searchin, already released)

But it's not the same "Soul Searchin'" as the BB's one, since Carl's middle-eight was replaced by Brian's lead and there are no BB backing vox. I'd dearly love to see the version with Carl singing the whole song over the BB's backing vocals given a proper release.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on February 21, 2012, 11:24:48 AM
I wouldn't mind if the cover of the album is a variation of this slick, simple look:

(http://www.rockon.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/beach-boys-50-celebration.jpg)



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 21, 2012, 12:04:18 PM
That's by far the better anniversary logo than this other one which bases on Dean Torrence's famous Beach Boys logo. Hope they'll stick with this, but the official tour shirt has the Torrence logo + 50


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 21, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
Hey, guys! Mike just responded to a question I left on his Facebook page regarding whether the new record would be all newly written material or if we'd see some old unreleased material reworked for the album. Here's his response:

Quote
There will be a combination of both to look forward to. Really excited about some new stuff we are working on however.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on February 21, 2012, 07:11:16 PM
I'm surprised whoever is behind Mike's FB page is as responsive as they are.  It's not really Mike is it?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 21, 2012, 07:18:32 PM
I'm surprised whoever is behind Mike's FB page is as responsive as they are.  It's not really Mike is it?
I think it is him. To be honest, whoever is behind the page is not really that responsive. I see tons of wall posts that aren't replied to. It seems like Mike is a pretty busy guy hence he wouldn't have the time to go through and respond to everything that is written on his page.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: urbanite on February 21, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: 18thofMay on February 21, 2012, 07:58:23 PM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.
:wall :angry :thud :thud :thud


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on February 21, 2012, 08:06:40 PM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.
:wall :angry :thud :thud :thud

Right!?

My father, a great artist, made me a collage for Christmas: he assembled tiny pieces of cut up $ bills to form the Brother logo. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw it. If I could figure out how to post pictures to the board I'd definitely show you all...it's pretty incredible. I love that logo so much.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 21, 2012, 09:21:53 PM
I'm surprised whoever is behind Mike's FB page is as responsive as they are.  It's not really Mike is it?
I think it is him. To be honest, whoever is behind the page is not really that responsive. I see tons of wall posts that aren't replied to. It seems like Mike is a pretty busy guy hence he wouldn't have the time to go through and respond to everything that is written on his page.

It's definitely not him. No way, no how.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 21, 2012, 09:40:19 PM
It's definitely not him. No way, no how.
Regardless of whether it's him or not, at least we have official confirmation now that they're looking at old material and reworking it for the new record.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 21, 2012, 11:05:35 PM
If it's not him, then how is it official?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 21, 2012, 11:24:20 PM
It's Mike's official FB page. You think Brian checks out the Bloo every day ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 21, 2012, 11:43:45 PM
Hey, guys! Mike just responded to a question I left on his Facebook page regarding whether the new record would be all newly written material or if we'd see some old unreleased material reworked for the album. Here's his response:

Quote
There will be a combination of both to look forward to. Really excited about some new stuff we are working on however.


Two points, first, classic rock guys responding to email messages, they do. I have had many responses from, people
similar to Mike Love. Similar in stature and time frame. Whether I ever met them in the biz, or never had, I have had
responses from BBoys, Beatle people, various people. But I only ask the type of questions that you asked. Hey is this
unreleased song coming out, are you working on an album. I don't ask personal questions. Other than, hope things are
cool for you, or something simple.


As to the admission by Mike Love, that, YES, the new album will feature some old material. Can we clarify, old material,
which has never been heard in public, or reworkings of old B Boys hits like Do It Again, or reworkings of hits by other 60's
artists or what ?

What I'm trying to say, previously unreleased B Boys songs, would be great, something akin to Soul Searchin or She Says
that she needs me.  But remakes of old Jan and Dean hits or Johnny Rivers or remakes of classic Beach Boys hits, I don't want
that, Do it Again is ok, but the last thing I wanna hear is a 1/3 or half the album is remakes of Good Vibrations or Don't Worry Baby.
Wat the heck for? that will be on the live Celebration DVD anyway.

Andrew you can step in anytime, with a tidbit, about what "old Material" means, in the context of the new BBoy's album.

My personal hunch after reading,Love's comments, it means at least one song featuring Carl Wilson's vocals Will be reworked
maybe two songs. And a couple of cool B Boys tracks that were never officially released in the past. Combined with X number
of newer songs. That's my interpretation of Love's remarks. But that's just what would make sense to me, who knows. Andrew
probably knows, if he spills the beans too soon, he would jeopardize his contacts.

Maybe it's just too soon, and nobody actually has the answers yet. Maybe they have 17 tracks on the drawing board, Old, new,
and eventually a dozen cuts will make the album. If they do two or three extra, they can use them as exclusive bonus tracks, or some
future compilation album, featuring two brand new songs in 2016~!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on February 21, 2012, 11:44:12 PM
If it's not him, then how is it official?

It can still be official even when he has his "people" run it for him.  Considering they've uploaded some pictures from the Grammys and recording sessions that only people from the "inside" would have access to--it's clear that it's not a fake page run by some fan.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 22, 2012, 04:03:52 AM
As to the admission by Mike Love, that, YES, the new album will feature some old material. Can we clarify, old material,
which has never been heard in public, or reworkings of old B Boys hits like Do It Again, or reworkings of hits by other 60's
artists or what ?

The way I phrased the question would make it seems that he's referring to previously unreleased material being given a second look. Hopefully we see songs like "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" and "Still A Mystery". At least, those are the two I'm hoping for the most.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 22, 2012, 04:32:00 AM
[edit.. wrong thread]


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Smilin Ed H on February 22, 2012, 04:34:05 AM
Maybe the thread title could be changed to New Album Speculation (as it rolls out...)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 22, 2012, 05:56:34 AM
Hopefully he's not talking abouzt re-recording old hits. That would ruin the whole thing for me.
How's about asking him that ? That woud be interesting to know, because as far as I have seen, most, if not all Beach Boys fans would hate re-recordings of already released material


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 22, 2012, 09:09:46 AM
Hopefully he's not talking abouzt re-recording old hits. That would ruin the whole thing for me.
How's about asking him that ? That woud be interesting to know, because as far as I have seen, most, if not all Beach Boys fans would hate re-recordings of already released material

If we get any re-recordings of old songs, I could see them doing one tops, likely "Do It Again". Any more than that would be a waste of CD space.

Say the record is 12 tracks; one remake of a classic tune, two-three remakes of unreleased Dennis/Carl songs and eight or so totally new compositions. I could definitely live with that.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on February 22, 2012, 11:09:19 AM
As to the admission by Mike Love, that, YES, the new album will feature some old material. Can we clarify, old material,
which has never been heard in public, or reworkings of old B Boys hits like Do It Again, or reworkings of hits by other 60's
artists or what ?

The way I phrased the question would make it seems that he's referring to previously unreleased material being given a second look. Hopefully we see songs like "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" and "Still A Mystery". At least, those are the two I'm hoping for the most.
Imagine "WIBNTLA" makes it onto the new album, we are all excited, and it is just the version of "Wouldn't It Be Nice" from Pet Sounds, with "to live again" spoken audibly after the "Wouldn't it be nice..." break.

Experts like AGD talk about how brilliant it is, and when we point out that it is just the original WIBN song with three extra words, he acts like we are crazy. That would be funny and a great comedic payoff after all this build-up.

Still though, I am psyched as heck for the tune, and we stand a better chance of getting it this coming year than we ever have before. I would imagine that this one would make it to the new box set or rarities compilation as opposed to the new studio album. Time to listen to the Marsland version...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 22, 2012, 12:57:46 PM
I wouldn't mind if the cover of the album is a variation of this slick, simple look:

(http://www.rockon.it/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/beach-boys-50-celebration.jpg)



Yes please!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 22, 2012, 01:03:19 PM
As to the admission by Mike Love, that, YES, the new album will feature some old material. Can we clarify, old material,
which has never been heard in public, or reworkings of old B Boys hits like Do It Again, or reworkings of hits by other 60's
artists or what ?

The way I phrased the question would make it seems that he's referring to previously unreleased material being given a second look. Hopefully we see songs like "Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" and "Still A Mystery". At least, those are the two I'm hoping for the most.

WIBNTLA just wouldn't fit, if you ask me. Too much of a different era. It should appear on an archival release, not a reunion record produced by Joe Thomas. I would really prefer that any use of earlier material be re-recorded, so the album would have a cohesive sound.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: 18thofMay on February 22, 2012, 01:45:11 PM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.
:wall :angry :thud :thud :thud

Right!?

My father, a great artist, made me a collage for Christmas: he assembled tiny pieces of cut up $ bills to form the Brother logo. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw it. If I could figure out how to post pictures to the board I'd definitely show you all...it's pretty incredible. I love that logo so much.

So do I.. dont we all.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 22, 2012, 01:53:16 PM
WIBNTLA just wouldn't fit, if you ask me. Too much of a different era. It should appear on an archival release, not a reunion record produced by Joe Thomas. I would really prefer that any use of earlier material be re-recorded, so the album would have a cohesive sound.
We have absolutely no idea what this new album will sound like, though. Who knows? Maybe with the reunion roster performing the song and someone other than Dennis singing lead, it might fit in just fine.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 23, 2012, 12:20:04 AM
Well as a few people have noted already. There is certainly some speculation in this particular thread.
But so what. My guess is, the general consensus that's building. will turn out to be correct or nearly so.

7-9 new songs. Perhaps one or two archival tracks, spruced up with new overdubs, featuring Carl Wilson
on vocals. Maybe a similar archival track featuring Dennis Wilson in some way. Probably the DIA remake.
Although Wilson we are expecting to write or cowrite the bulk of the material, there will most certainly be
a couple of Mike Love co-writes, and perhaps one each from Jardine, Johnston and Marks.. at least one cowrite
each. Probably

We have heard that the songs, flow into one another, in a way that reminds one of Smile or Pet Sounds or
TLOS. that there is if not a full blown medley, some sort of musical suite that is intended to end the album,
At least according to Love, at this early, intermediate stage of making the album.

We know they need to write at least two or three more songs, perhaps more. But that several new songs
are both written and recorded. Two songs were about done, and several more are partially done...

Wilson and Love didn't shoot down the New York Times reporter, when the reporter suggested, Pet Sounds or
SMile had some commonality with the new stuff. or new album.

Love said there is one song already recorded as good as anything they have ever done is his opinion. Bruce Johnston
raved about one new song, he kept playing over and over. Love admitted yesterday? that there would be some archival
or old material included on the album. We know there are sessions coming up shortly, where they expect to work on through
to the finish, or at least close, at least to the mixing stage.


People are speculating on the Wouldn't it Be nice to Live again tune, ( I have no idea what that song is) and the Mystery song
which apparently is a  well known bootleg, with a Carl Wilson vocal. I've heard a boot of that, what I heard wasn't so great, but
I also heard a boot of "Soul Searchin" on the same tape, so maybe there is a cleaner version I never heard.

So that part is a little speculative, but it's based on deep beach boy fans, and their knowledge of the archival material.

We even know, that the album title could well be "celebration" so some of the stuff is speculation, but mostly it's fact or
educated guessing. More than just wild fantasy.

I mean the Beach Boys are making an album, they are using a few old songs, from the archives, the songs are recorded and
arranged in a way that they dovetail into one another, there is a suite on the end.

What's the difference between a medley and a suite ?? Anybody?

To me suite means, something written and designed from the get go to be heard as one piece, and medley is more like
an arrangement of pre existing songs,

So have we learned anything today? I know realistically, it's time to take a chill pill, its gonna be a few months, and plans
change in the middle of albums all the time. A songs gets written at the last minute displacing something else, or upon review
a different idea comes to the fore, but I think we are starting to get a sketch of it. But with music, until you hear something it's
all just so much blather isn't it.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: RickD on February 23, 2012, 12:30:52 AM
Anyone unfamiliar with WIBNTLA needs to buy Adam's CD - in fact  anyone who hasn't needs to anyway!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000NJWTH0/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1329985913&sr=8-1


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 23, 2012, 01:11:27 AM
I've never heard Adam's version. I'm actually purposely preventing myself from listening to it. I remember reading Adam saying they changed the key and played a different guitar solo to replace the apparently extremely simplistic placeholder solo on the track. I want to hear the BBs version fresh before I hear a cover.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 23, 2012, 02:48:00 AM
Well it's not on youtube and there are no samples on the link to buy the album. If its never been booted
how, did he get it to do a cover?

Alan Boyd from the SMile sessions is in a Beach Boys cover band, do I understand that correctly?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 23, 2012, 03:15:30 AM
Sometimes I wonder if the Beach Boys is a five piece rock band, or a trough, where hundreds of
ancillary people feed.


Did anybody message Mike Love today, call him in the booth, let us hear 30 seconds off his cell phone
on the playback.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 23, 2012, 03:29:10 AM
Well it's not on youtube and there are no samples on the link to buy the album. If its never been booted
how, did he get it to do a cover?

Alan Boyd from the SMile sessions is in a Beach Boys cover band, do I understand that correctly?

Adam and Alan are friends, so I guess that's how.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Alan Smith on February 23, 2012, 03:39:52 AM
Well it's not on youtube and there are no samples on the link to buy the album. If its never been booted
how, did he get it to do a cover?

Alan Boyd from the SMile sessions is in a Beach Boys cover band, do I understand that correctly?

Have a poke around on his webpage - http://www.adammarsland.com/bio.html -  you'll find the good stuff like this:

"(Adam Marsland's Chaos Band) mounted an ambitious tribute to Beach Boys Carl and Dennis Wilson with Beach Boys archivist (and co-producer of THE SMILE SESSIONS) Alan Boyd. This drew the attention of Beach Boy Al Jardine, who appeared with the band at a few shows that year."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: absinthe_boy on February 23, 2012, 04:50:56 AM
Hmmm suites and medleys. While the above definition is very useful I would say that a medley usually uses partial songs rather than daisy-chaining complete songs.

So you might, for example, get the intro and verse of Song A merging into the chorus of Song B, a verse from Song C and then an instrumental fadeout courtesy of Song D.

A suite is certainly designed to go together, but you can have existing songs adapted for a suite. However the crucial difference with a medley would be that you'd be using the complete songs rather than fragments.

An example might be the opening of the 3rd side of BWPS (I'm In Great Shape/I Wanna Be Around/Workshop) which plays like a medley...some partial song ideas melded into one track. Whereas TLOS is songs brought together to make a suite.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on February 23, 2012, 06:06:59 AM
I don't think the whole album will have songs flowing into one another.  I know Brian said that, but I think he was talking about the ending bit that Mike was talking about.  I wouldn't get too excited about the differences between a medley and a suite...these guys aren't trained musicians.  Medley and suite and songs flowing into one another likely mean the same thing to Mike and Brian.  Remember, Brian called BWPS a rock opera, when it is certainly not.  The ending sounds really interesting, whatever it is, but I don't think the whole album is going to be that way...just the end 'little bit of a suite' thing (until there's no more album).

And in the end
The Love you take
Is equal to the Love...you make.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on February 23, 2012, 06:22:34 AM
I don't think the whole album will have songs flowing into one another.  I know Brian said that, but I think he was talking about the ending bit that Mike was talking about.  I wouldn't get too excited about the differences between a medley and a suite...these guys aren't trained musicians.  Medley and suite and songs flowing into one another likely mean the same thing to Mike and Brian.  Remember, Brian called BWPS a rock opera, when it is certainly not.  The ending sounds really interesting, whatever it is, but I don't think the whole album is going to be that way...just the end 'little bit of a suite' thing (until there's no more album).

And in the end
The Love you take
Is equal to the Love...you make.

The modular approach, stimulated by Lenny Waronker, worked nicely on BW 1988, not so nicely on Imagination. The idea of continuum worked fine in BWPS and TLOS. However, there is no obligation or need to release a product in that form. I'm sure someone over BW camp thinks that this helps portray Brian as a serious musician and that's why they keep doing it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 23, 2012, 06:33:59 AM
Or maybe, Brian is just into that approach, right now. Musically, he does think on his own too.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Roger Ryan on February 23, 2012, 07:21:27 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if Brian saw the new album as the Beach Boys' ABBEY ROAD (as in the last album) and figured he'd end it with all the little snippets/feels he has laying around. As long as the "suite" isn't a Beach Boys greatest hits medley!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 23, 2012, 11:31:41 AM
I don't think the whole album will have songs flowing into one another.  I know Brian said that, but I think he was talking about the ending bit that Mike was talking about.  I wouldn't get too excited about the differences between a medley and a suite...these guys aren't trained musicians.  Medley and suite and songs flowing into one another likely mean the same thing to Mike and Brian.  Remember, Brian called BWPS a rock opera, when it is certainly not.  The ending sounds really interesting, whatever it is, but I don't think the whole album is going to be that way...just the end 'little bit of a suite' thing (until there's no more album).

And in the end
The Love you take
Is equal to the Love...you make.

The modular approach, stimulated by Lenny Waronker, worked nicely on BW 1988, not so nicely on Imagination. The idea of continuum worked fine in BWPS and TLOS. However, there is no obligation or need to release a product in that form. I'm sure someone over BW camp thinks that this helps portray Brian as a serious musician and that's why they keep doing it.





That's fascinating. We all have our own view. The Warner staff producers were good. I Miss the way Warnner used to have it together.
I don't know if Brian Wilson is a musical genius in today's world, or some sort of product or puppet, manipulated by the solo band
or various advisors, He said the songs all flow into one another, and we have a caveat, from one poster, who thinks they mean just
the end of the album, not the whole thing. I'm not being disrespectful, I really don't know what the truth is, Did Brian Wilson compose
TLOS and put it together like that? or did Scott Bennett do it, Heck I don't know.

Something I do notice, is Brian Wilson seems more engaged in these recent interviews, he seems less maudlin,  more articulate,
he seems happy about the Beach Boy thing, maybe just having the Beach Boys, being back at Capitol, having the support of the label
The wives seem happy in the DIA video,  this seems to be an enjoyable project, several people are claiming  Wilson has written some
classic material. I don't know. Maybe we can all go down to the studio and we can watch them work for a few hours! (HA!)

He said the songs all flow into each other until you run out of album! HAH!

I don't really want to hear a record they made at 84, 70 is cool, with modern medicine, 70 is the new 58, Love and Jardine look
pretty healthy, DIA sounds good, but I am sure this will be the last album, maybe if this is a big hit, the label will insist on a follow up
but I doubt it, I think everybody see's this as the final Beach Boys album. Can somebody give us a report on what they are hearing
at the studio, there must be 200 people hanging around in there, from the look of the video, can somebody tell us what it
sounds like.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on February 23, 2012, 11:45:25 AM
The wives looked happy in the "Do It Again" video?   I didn't think Melinda Wilson looked so happy....


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 23, 2012, 11:58:31 AM
The wives looked happy in the "Do It Again" video?   I didn't think Melinda Wilson looked so happy....
Wondering if ex-wives like Marylin were allowed to visit?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 23, 2012, 12:12:55 PM
The wives looked happy in the "Do It Again" video?   I didn't think Melinda Wilson looked so happy....


Well she appeared, happier, than I had seen her in other previous video's. Perhaps she is not
a particularly happy woman in general I don't know. Perhaps she is the Yoko of Surf rock, I don't know.

But you know, a sesssion, where the wives are in the video, and all the backslapping, and smiling and
it just seems to be a happy time. I realize the footage was manipulated with editing, but you still get a sense
that everyone is pleased.

I have trouble imagining a session with so many people, it reminds of long long ago in the golden age of rock
when things like that used to happen more. Mike Love and the Beatles with Donovan and the Maharishi comes
to mind. Three Dog Night sessions used to be like that, with seven hundred people coming in and out all day.
The studio certainly seems spacious,   I thought that was the big room downstairs at Capitol, with all those large
baffles, thats the only room I've ever seen thats enormous like that, but apparently that was Ocean Way, which
I have never seen that I remember.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jaco on February 24, 2012, 04:56:32 AM
http://beachboysnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/424-brian-wilson-and-beach-boys-reunion.html (http://beachboysnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/424-brian-wilson-and-beach-boys-reunion.html)

Quote
And Love likes what he's hearing.

"It's sounding really good in the studio," he says. "The tracks are pretty much done. We're still working on finishing up all the vocals, but it's sounding fantastic so far."

To Wilson's ears, "The word for this new album is mellow. It's the '60s revisited, kind of a dip back into the past, but it retains a little bit of the 2000s, too. So all in all, it's a very good album."

My guess for the album title: The Beach Boys - In A Mellow Tone


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on February 24, 2012, 05:10:48 AM
[He said the songs all flow into one another, and we have a caveat, from one poster, who thinks they mean just
the end of the album, not the whole thing. I'm not being disrespectful, I really don't know what the truth is,

I don't know what the truth is either.  But why would Mike make a point to say that there is a "little bit of a suite that's meant to end the album", if the whole album was going to be that way?  I'm looking forward to whatever they decide to release.
 
my favorite part of the interview
Q: Any theremin on there?
Wilson: That I can't answer. Mike, what do you think?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on February 24, 2012, 05:25:58 AM
http://beachboysnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/424-brian-wilson-and-beach-boys-reunion.html (http://beachboysnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/424-brian-wilson-and-beach-boys-reunion.html)

Quote
And Love likes what he's hearing.

"It's sounding really good in the studio," he says. "The tracks are pretty much done. We're still working on finishing up all the vocals, but it's sounding fantastic so far."

To Wilson's ears, "The word for this new album is mellow. It's the '60s revisited, kind of a dip back into the past, but it retains a little bit of the 2000s, too. So all in all, it's a very good album."

Thanks for posting!  Sounds good.

My guess for the album title: The Beach Boys - In A Mellow Tone

My guess is...probably not. ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 24, 2012, 05:36:21 AM
http://beachboysnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/424-brian-wilson-and-beach-boys-reunion.html (http://beachboysnews.blogspot.com/2012/02/424-brian-wilson-and-beach-boys-reunion.html)

Quote
And Love likes what he's hearing.

"It's sounding really good in the studio," he says. "The tracks are pretty much done. We're still working on finishing up all the vocals, but it's sounding fantastic so far."

To Wilson's ears, "The word for this new album is mellow. It's the '60s revisited, kind of a dip back into the past, but it retains a little bit of the 2000s, too. So all in all, it's a very good album."

My guess for the album title: The Beach Boys - In A Mellow Tone

No. I won't enter Kenny G. hell. Not me.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 24, 2012, 06:05:38 AM
I don't think anyone here mentioned entering Kenny G, Don. I know it's a Friday and all, but some things are best left unsaid  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on February 24, 2012, 06:34:01 AM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.
:wall :angry :thud :thud :thud

Right!?

My father, a great artist, made me a collage for Christmas: he assembled tiny pieces of cut up $ bills to form the Brother logo. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw it. If I could figure out how to post pictures to the board I'd definitely show you all...it's pretty incredible. I love that logo so much.

So do I.. dont we all.

Here's that piece of art my father made me for Christmas. It's assembled with incredibly tiny cut up pieces of dollar bills. (thanks Alholio71 for the uploading instructions!)

(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5562/dscn1347x.jpg)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 24, 2012, 06:37:23 AM
Dude, that is SO COOL


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on February 24, 2012, 06:43:57 AM
Right!? It looks much better in person....I'm still in awe when I see it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on February 24, 2012, 07:10:24 AM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.
:wall :angry :thud :thud :thud

Right!?



My father, a great artist, made me a collage for Christmas: he assembled tiny pieces of cut up $ bills to form the Brother logo. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw it. If I could figure out how to post pictures to the board I'd definitely show you all...it's pretty incredible. I love that logo so much.

So do I.. dont we all.

Here's that piece of art my father made me for Christmas. It's assembled with incredibly tiny cut up pieces of dollar bills. (thanks Alholio71 for the uploading instructions!)

(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5562/dscn1347x.jpg)


Gorgeous , I now want one made out of old 」1 notes


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on February 24, 2012, 07:29:54 AM
I don't get the Indian on horseback logo and the Beach Boys.  Is that the original Brother Records logo?   I think they can do better than that today.
:wall :angry :thud :thud :thud

Right!?



My father, a great artist, made me a collage for Christmas: he assembled tiny pieces of cut up $ bills to form the Brother logo. My jaw dropped to the floor when I saw it. If I could figure out how to post pictures to the board I'd definitely show you all...it's pretty incredible. I love that logo so much.

So do I.. dont we all.

Here's that piece of art my father made me for Christmas. It's assembled with incredibly tiny cut up pieces of dollar bills. (thanks Alholio71 for the uploading instructions!)

(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/5562/dscn1347x.jpg)


Gorgeous , I now want one made out of old 」1 notes

I want one made out of new 」1 coins!

Seriously, that is tremendous. Worth its weight in, well, dollar bills at least.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Amanda Hart on February 24, 2012, 08:37:10 AM
That is seriously the coolest thing I have ever seen. Your father should be very proud.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 24, 2012, 08:41:51 AM
rab,

Can I use that for my avatar? That is super-freaking cool! Well-done Dad! :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on February 24, 2012, 08:51:36 AM
rab,

Can I use that for my avatar? That is super-freaking cool! Well-done Dad! :)

most definitely!

@Amanda: He was really happy with it! I can't even imagine the amount of hours it took to make it....but it was well worth it I think!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on February 24, 2012, 09:13:50 AM
This piece of art is amazing! :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 24, 2012, 09:15:51 AM
rab,

Can I use that for my avatar? That is super-freaking cool! Well-done Dad! :)
most definitely!

@Amanda: He was really happy with it! I can't even imagine the amount of hours it took to make it....but it was well worth it I think!
Thank you, muchly!



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on February 24, 2012, 05:33:50 PM
Beautiful, I would buy one in a second


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 06:17:50 PM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-beach-boys-20120225,0,3559719.story

New album information. And some silliness.

"Waves of Love" seems to be another title we can add to the list -- and an already recorded Carl vocal.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on February 24, 2012, 06:43:45 PM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-beach-boys-20120225,0,3559719.story

New album information. And some silliness.

"Waves of Love" seems to be another title we can add to the list -- and an already recorded Carl vocal.

And then a stunned, angry silence filled the message board...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: RickD on February 24, 2012, 06:57:12 PM
"I'd like to reach back into the catalog a ways and go back to 'Lonely Sea' and 'Farmer's Daughter' and esoteric things that people haven't heard in a long time or ever," Jardine said. "That would be lovely. "
Good


Jardine said with a sad smile. "I wish there was a way to get Dennis on there too."
Not so good - btw Al, there is.

It's going to be included on the new album in a song called "Waves of Love."
now he's just taking the ....




Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 24, 2012, 06:57:52 PM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-beach-boys-20120225,0,3559719.story

New album information. And some silliness.

"Waves of Love" seems to be another title we can add to the list -- and an already recorded Carl vocal.


OK now I am getting excited, OK we have confirmation Carl Wilson is included on the one song, I think
that's nice. Anybody ever heard the tune?

Now yes that artwork, is great with the dollar bills, kudo's to your dad for being cool enough to do that,
and to you for being cool enough to share a photo of it.

Now back to the album there is another quote yesterday, where Love said all the tracks are done, but
this conflicts with Wilson's statement the other day that , they still need to write a few more tunes. So
Love was in te studio today or (whenever the article was written) writing lyrics, that's probably what Wilson
meant, that the tracks were down, but they need to write lyrics to few songs. So we also know, that There
will be a couple or three new Wilson/Love cowrites, but did anybody ever doubt that?


Now we are    hearing how mellow the new album sounds, and that's cool, but putting on my objective hat
I have to believe DIA and one other song will rock a bit, you can have say, a dozen songs, and ten of them
can be mellow, but you still need say two that rock or are uptempo, I mean there is no rule, but there is,
to maintain interest objectively, I just assume they have already considered that issue.


So I think AGD can step in pretty soon, and tell us more. We know a lot, Jardine confirmed Carl will be singing!

someone should do a synopsis of everything we know, but by the time its done, it will probably be out of date!

my blood smells the first single in about six or eight weeks! As soon as Wilson signs off on these new Love lyrics
they can bang out all the vocals to half a dozen songs in two weeks don't you think? Apparently, they have already
laid down vocals for at least a few.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the final new Beach Boys studio album, is almost upon us.

This is such a great thing, for them, for us, for the label, for the tour people, the audience at the shows,

Has anybody heard clips of the album or heard playback in the studio?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 07:33:36 PM
Vintage, I would calm down. I doubt AGD -- or anyone outside of the principals -- has heard much from the new record. I'm sure we'll know more in a couple of months. Waves of Love is an old Al tune (aren't they all) that he wanted to put on Postcard from California.

Speaking of which, why the weird vibes about the song? Is Al not supposed to get a tune on the record?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: RickD on February 24, 2012, 09:21:19 PM
Speaking of which, why the weird vibes about the song?

just the title - could you fit any more BB cliches in 3 words! - I'm surprised Mike never used it for an album!  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 09:33:53 PM
Speaking of which, why the weird vibes about the song?

just the title - could you fit any more BB cliches in 3 words! - I'm surprised Mike never used it for an album!  ;D

Heh. True enough. Matt Jardine posted about it last summer:

Quote
Just got back from Jeff Peters' studio where we did overdubs on Al Jardine's original song "Waves of Love". A rough demo version from '95 is currently on his Postcards CD but this new recording is KILLER!! Mike Kowalski on skins, Ed Carter on bass, Mike Meros on B3, Richie Cannata on baritone sax, Jeff Peters & Randy Mitchel on guitars, Al & Matt Jardine & Carl Wilson on vocals. I'm really excited about this "new" song.

Sounds like it was written during preparations for the 95 reunion album and that Carl did some work on it then. Who knows if this new instrumental track survives -- I'd love to have those guys on BB reunion record, even if it's for only one track.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Matt-Jardine-Music/138373012847174


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on February 24, 2012, 09:35:13 PM
Has this been picked up from the LA times story above?


"Their Grammy appearance did put the band back in front of the public but it's hard to tell if anyone was put off by the obvious lip-synching."



WTF! First article on the grammies to claim that isn't it?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 09:37:47 PM
That's what I referred to as the silliness.

To the Times' credit, their author didn't say that. It was a person they were quoting, and the Beach Boys were allowed to forcefully deny it.

FWIW, though, I'm sure the guy was talking about Jeff singing for Brian, which did look a lot like lip syncing if you don't know how the BW stage setup works.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 24, 2012, 09:41:42 PM
Vintage, I would calm down. I doubt AGD -- or anyone outside of the principals -- has heard much from the new record. I'm sure we'll know more in a couple of months. Waves of Love is an old Al tune (aren't they all) that he wanted to put on Postcard from California.

Speaking of which, why the weird vibes about the song? Is Al not supposed to get a tune on the record?



Well I hope it's a better tune than, uh, Don't Fight The Sea, which although I love hearing the Beach Boys
sing, it does sound, kind of like a dorky Terry Jacks song. Maybe it's just me, and whenever I hear the words
Terry Jacks, I think of Seasons in the Sun, and hide in my room for two days until the sickness goes away! LOL

I gather, the reason people diss that, is because there is strong sentiment here, to include the Carl Wilson vocal
from the song "She is a Mystery" instead.

The finished "soul searchin on GIOMH sounded great to me, much better, than the lo fi demos I heard of it, I don't
know if that is a spruced up Paley session or what, but I like Soul Searchin and Desert Drive, and the song co written
with Van Dyke Parks,

Anyway, yeah great, Jardine gets one song, on there, Just a thought, Bear in mind, if, if, they do kind of a medley
suite thing on the end of the album, maybe they will do some editing Ala Abbey Road, and  there will be several short
pieces all edited together, Long Story short, you would get maybe 16-17 songs, because several were just snippets.
pieced together, maybe one verse only, or just several pieces that are only less than two minutes, each, and maybe the
Carl Wilson bridge is the piece they really want.

But what does the original Jardine song sound like, how would it compare to say, Don't Fight The Sea. There is just something
about that song, I Like the harmonies, the sentiment is OK, I like the sound effects, I think the track really sounds dated
maybe that's it. I just worked on a thing, with old backing tracks, and by the time we got through with the overdubs it
sounded new. Don;t Fight the Sea sounds like a 1980 track.


I should calm down I know. But this place is a repository and message board for Beach Boy fanatics, and if we can't talk about
the album here, where do I go!!!!


Somehow the cards are right, this album is just happening with good vibes, Pet Sounds maybe not, but they are so positive
and Carl Wilson is included.

I am slightly worried, about " A Mellow" album. Generally speaking for a whole album to flow, you still need a couple
upbeat things, even if its mostly ballads. I think these guys are aware of that kind of stuff, and have about 700 paid
and unpaid advisers, record producers, engineers, session men, the record label, wives, roadies, friends, managers.


My gut tells me this album will be the best thing they have done since their heyday, circa 64-75 or 77 whatever.

My observation, working together, is inspiring Brian Wilson, more than at any point, in many years, and his illnesses
have been treated, and are largely in remission or controlled with medication.


Seeing as how Danny Hutton is still a drinker, I wonder if people like that are allowed down to the studio.

I'm a much bigger fan of lyrics by Van Dyke Parks and others versus Mike Love, but at this late date, I think Mike
Love will do fine, Love is competent, if not superb. and I should calm down, or maybe you guys should get more excited.

The album is gonna be good, all the signs and vibes point to it. I wish it was five years earlier when their voices were
a bit younger, but they still sound good, Johnston is the only one I haven't heard sing in recent years, I cant pick him
out that much on DIA or the Grammy performance, what I could hear he seemed OK, and its gonna rock, I sincerely hope
they get the cotton out of their ears, and give us at least one upbeat song besides DIA remake.  

I was only a moderate Beach Boys fan, I admired them, and their sixties work, and Some of Wilson's solo work, but I am
recognizing, that they were one of the top five bands of alltime and to have one more album is just so cool, Smile and a new album!

I think it's telling they are with Capitol and working at an old studio where they worked in the sixties, even with the death of
most studios, due to protools,, there are still tons of studios in LA and the fact they are revisiting an old studio, they want that
"sound" I bet they achieve a great album in Spades, I hope so, for their sake and ours, this last album will go a long way to
reminding people and restoring their historical legacy as one of the great bands.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: warnakey on February 24, 2012, 10:20:18 PM
I think the Beach Boys should avoid using old material like "waves of love" and "do it again" as much as humanly possible. I'm up for some new music.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
I think the Beach Boys should avoid using old material like "waves of love" and "do it again" as much as humanly possible. I'm up for some new music.

Well, "Waves of Love" has never been released or heard, has it?

Big difference between that and something like "Do It Again," which has not only been released before, but recorded multiple times!

Realistically, too, we're looking at a pretty quick turnaround for this album. Maybe five or six months total. I think we have to expect a certain portion of the tracks to be previously written (but hopefully not officially released) material.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 24, 2012, 10:26:56 PM
I don't get Al's quote about not being able to have Dennis' voice on the record. I seriously don't understand why they wouldn't consider re-recording "WIBNTLA".


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: RadBooley on February 24, 2012, 10:31:52 PM
I don't get Al's quote about not being able to have Dennis' voice on the record. I seriously don't understand why they wouldn't consider re-recording "WIBNTLA".
What do we actually know about WIBNTLA? I hear the title thrown around a lot but I really don't know anything about the song. Has anyone heard it?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: jimmy1949 on February 24, 2012, 10:33:45 PM
I'm hoping for a Rio Grande style suite on the new record!! :P :P


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 24, 2012, 10:35:17 PM
What do we actually know about WIBNTLA? I hear the title thrown around a lot but I really don't know anything about the song. Has anyone heard it?

A cover of the song appears on this album: http://www.amazon.com/Long-Promised-Road-Dennis-Wilson/product-reviews/B000NJWTH0 (http://www.amazon.com/Long-Promised-Road-Dennis-Wilson/product-reviews/B000NJWTH0). To my knowledge, only a few people have actually heard Dennis' original recording.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 10:36:51 PM
Well I hope it's a better tune than, uh, Don't Fight The Sea, which although I love hearing the Beach Boys
sing, it does sound, kind of like a dorky Terry Jacks song. Maybe it's just me, and whenever I hear the words
Terry Jacks, I think of Seasons in the Sun, and hide in my room for two days until the sickness goes away! LOL

Don't Fight the Sea is a Terry Jacks song. Al wrote the lyrics to an additional verse.

Waves of Love is an Al Jardine song, which he co-wrote with a friend named Larry Dvoskin.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 10:38:03 PM
I don't get Al's quote about not being able to have Dennis' voice on the record. I seriously don't understand why they wouldn't consider re-recording "WIBNTLA".

I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 24, 2012, 11:09:04 PM
I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Perhaps, but judging the song solely on Adam Marsland's cover, I would conclude that "WIBNTLA" was a very good, but not earth-shattering song.

Even if including "WIBNTLA" is out of the question, I find it ridiculous that Dennis would have no presence on this new record. He was no less of a Beach Boy than either of his two brothers.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on February 24, 2012, 11:09:40 PM
EDIT: Double post


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 24, 2012, 11:39:31 PM
I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Perhaps, but judging the song solely on Adam Marsland's cover, I would conclude that "WIBNTLA" was a very good, but not earth-shattering song.

Even if including "WIBNTLA" is out of the question, I find it ridiculous that Dennis would have no presence on this new record. He was no less of a Beach Boy than either of his two brothers.

Frankly, I would prefer that neither be on there. It would be interesting to hear what the band can do today. Old recordings just make the whole thing seem weird to me.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on February 25, 2012, 12:35:32 AM
I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Perhaps, but judging the song solely on Adam Marsland's cover, I would conclude that "WIBNTLA" was a very good, but not earth-shattering song.

Even if including "WIBNTLA" is out of the question, I find it ridiculous that Dennis would have no presence on this new record. He was no less of a Beach Boy than either of his two brothers.

Frankly, I would prefer that neither be on there. It would be interesting to hear what the band can do today. Old recordings just make the whole thing seem weird to me.
I'm with you, leave the old stuff for an archival release. Lets have the band as they are now.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on February 25, 2012, 12:48:06 AM
I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Perhaps, but judging the song solely on Adam Marsland's cover, I would conclude that "WIBNTLA" was a very good, but not earth-shattering song.

Even if including "WIBNTLA" is out of the question, I find it ridiculous that Dennis would have no presence on this new record. He was no less of a Beach Boy than either of his two brothers.

Frankly, I would prefer that neither be on there. It would be interesting to hear what the band can do today. Old recordings just make the whole thing seem weird to me.
Agreed. New album = new material (as much as possible).


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 25, 2012, 01:18:20 AM
I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Perhaps, but judging the song solely on Adam Marsland's cover, I would conclude that "WIBNTLA" was a very good, but not earth-shattering song.

Even if including "WIBNTLA" is out of the question, I find it ridiculous that Dennis would have no presence on this new record. He was no less of a Beach Boy than either of his two brothers.

Frankly, I would prefer that neither be on there. It would be interesting to hear what the band can do today. Old recordings just make the whole thing seem weird to me.
Agreed. New album = new material (as much as possible).




Hey all opinions are valid, but let me please state the following.

So far as we can tell, the bulk of the material is new, with a few archival songs. and those are going to be heavily
reworked with new overdubs etc. Also Wilson and the Beach Boys, have a career long habit, of, dipping into the song
bag for a percentage of the material. Look at TLOS for example. The title track is from a  1949 record by Frankie Lane
and it sounds nothing like Frankie Lane, it sounds like Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys, and that gorgeous little edit piece
near the end, from 1968? whats that called, can't wait too long? gorgeous, Honestly, those were my favorite bits on the album.
Also these cats are all 70 years old, and the fact that they are even doing this at all, modern medicine increased lifespan, its
remarkable man. This is a methodology that they have always used, writing some new material, and using certain choice archival stuff
because either they were a couple songs short on material, or the material just filled a gap in the album. Sloop John B, is not an original
song, it's an old folk standard or whatever. But when I hear Sloop John B, I'm not thinking anything except wow that sounds good.


If there are  hypothetically, a dozen tunes on the album, and eight or nine are new, and three or four are old, this is just the common way of
assembling an album the Beach Boys or Wilson has always employed.


Harrison, Lennon and McCartney do this, Crosby Stills and Nash do this, Lindsey Buckingham does this, I think, especially for older guys
this is a typical thing to do. I agree with your sentiment however, Lets hear a fresh new Beach Boys album! and we will, but a few of the
tunes are gonna be reworked.

As far as Carl and Dennis Wilson, being included, I think it's great. Dennis is included, as a musician his drums or percussion being sampled
on DIA, and maybe he will be sampled elsewhere, as far as his being included as a songwriter, I only know  of two solo albums, and a few
Beach Boys songs, he died young, maybe nothing that would sound good is available. Carl Wilson they have more tracks available, he lived
much longer, and they have fairly modern recordings of his voice that can be adapted, for use on the new album.

Look This album will represent the three surviving Beach Boys, along with Johnston, who has been with them 46 years? and Marks
who is kind of an original member. And Foskett had to be brought in for the vocals because Brian Wilson can't hit the high falsetto
anymore. Carl Wilson was a very important Beach Boy, its very cool, they will have one or two songs, with him, I understand what
you're saying, new material, the bulk of songs will be new, and the old songs will be freshly reworked and overdubbed, or cut from
scratch with the old vocals flown on top. Most of the album will be reflecting the surviving Beach Boys as they are today,


If they cut several of their old hits, I'll be sick to my stomach, but that doesn't seem to be whats happening.
We are very lucky this is happening, Most of the old masters from the sixties can't do this because too many
band members have died, or they just refuse to do it. Simon and Garfunkel wont do it, The Beatles can't with both
Harrison and Lennon dead, and George Martin is like 86 years old. The WHO could but they wont. The Kinks could but
they wont. This is one of the last opportunities of our lives, to hear one of the great original bands cut something fresh.
Maybe the last time. The Stones or Pink Floyd or someone might do it one day, maybe. This is possibly the last fresh album
we will ever hear from the great bands of the sixties.







Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on February 25, 2012, 02:35:02 AM
I think some things are more suited for archival release. Especially when you get to things like this song, which go back so far. (And which may well show up the rest of the more recent material on the record.) You have to draw the line somewhere, right?

Perhaps, but judging the song solely on Adam Marsland's cover, I would conclude that "WIBNTLA" was a very good, but not earth-shattering song.

Even if including "WIBNTLA" is out of the question, I find it ridiculous that Dennis would have no presence on this new record. He was no less of a Beach Boy than either of his two brothers.

Frankly, I would prefer that neither be on there. It would be interesting to hear what the band can do today. Old recordings just make the whole thing seem weird to me.
Agreed. New album = new material (as much as possible).




Hey all opinions are valid, but let me please state the following.

So far as we can tell, the bulk of the material is new, with a few archival songs. and those are going to be heavily
reworked with new overdubs etc. Also Wilson and the Beach Boys, have a career long habit, of, dipping into the song
bag for a percentage of the material. Look at TLOS for example. The title track is from a  1949 record by Frankie Lane
and it sounds nothing like Frankie Lane, it sounds like Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys, and that gorgeous little edit piece
near the end, from 1968? whats that called, can't wait too long? gorgeous, Honestly, those were my favorite bits on the album.
Also these cats are all 70 years old, and the fact that they are even doing this at all, modern medicine increased lifespan, its
remarkable man. This is a methodology that they have always used, writing some new material, and using certain choice archival stuff
because either they were a couple songs short on material, or the material just filled a gap in the album. Sloop John B, is not an original
song, it's an old folk standard or whatever. But when I hear Sloop John B, I'm not thinking anything except wow that sounds good.


If there are  hypothetically, a dozen tunes on the album, and eight or nine are new, and three or four are old, this is just the common way of
assembling an album the Beach Boys or Wilson has always employed.


Harrison, Lennon and McCartney do this, Crosby Stills and Nash do this, Lindsey Buckingham does this, I think, especially for older guys
this is a typical thing to do. I agree with your sentiment however, Lets hear a fresh new Beach Boys album! and we will, but a few of the
tunes are gonna be reworked.

As far as Carl and Dennis Wilson, being included, I think it's great. Dennis is included, as a musician his drums or percussion being sampled
on DIA, and maybe he will be sampled elsewhere, as far as his being included as a songwriter, I only know  of two solo albums, and a few
Beach Boys songs, he died young, maybe nothing that would sound good is available. Carl Wilson they have more tracks available, he lived
much longer, and they have fairly modern recordings of his voice that can be adapted, for use on the new album.

Look This album will represent the three surviving Beach Boys, along with Johnston, who has been with them 46 years? and Marks
who is kind of an original member. And Foskett had to be brought in for the vocals because Brian Wilson can't hit the high falsetto
anymore. Carl Wilson was a very important Beach Boy, its very cool, they will have one or two songs, with him, I understand what
you're saying, new material, the bulk of songs will be new, and the old songs will be freshly reworked and overdubbed, or cut from
scratch with the old vocals flown on top. Most of the album will be reflecting the surviving Beach Boys as they are today,


If they cut several of their old hits, I'll be sick to my stomach, but that doesn't seem to be whats happening.
We are very lucky this is happening, Most of the old masters from the sixties can't do this because too many
band members have died, or they just refuse to do it. Simon and Garfunkel wont do it, The Beatles can't with both
Harrison and Lennon dead, and George Martin is like 86 years old. The WHO could but they wont. The Kinks could but
they wont. This is one of the last opportunities of our lives, to hear one of the great original bands cut something fresh.
Maybe the last time. The Stones or Pink Floyd or someone might do it one day, maybe. This is possibly the last fresh album
we will ever hear from the great bands of the sixties.







That is a fine realistic observation.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2012, 02:55:41 AM
I don't get Al's quote about not being able to have Dennis' voice on the record. I seriously don't understand why they wouldn't consider re-recording "WIBNTLA".

Because the original is just awesome - reworking anything on it would be a complete f*cking disaster. Far, far, far worse than what happened with "Soul Searchin'".

Plus, you may have noted that two of the song's vocalists are now dead.

"Waves Of Love" was - was - scheduled to be on the physical reissue of Alan's solo album: there's more info on it in a recent issue of ESQ, as related by the co-composer. Carl's vocal is not a finished one, nor recorded in a studio environment.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 25, 2012, 03:05:57 AM

I am slightly worried, about " A Mellow" album. Generally speaking for a whole album to flow, you still need a couple
upbeat things, even if its mostly ballads.


Don't worry about that. "Mellow" in Brian's world doesn't necessarily mean just ballads. IIRC he once described "Do it again" as a mellow rock song (which it is). Though I hope DIA won't be on the new album, I wouldn't be surprised if something like it would appear


I'm excited to hear Carl on "Waves of love". Hopefully it's a good tune. I don't know what people would have against it. It is practically new material. And it's certainly not a finished song they just put on the album. It will probably be re-recorded from scratch plus Carl's vocal. If they use "You're still a mystery" I hope they would re-work that one too.

I mentioned more than once that I'd like to hear them finish Dennis' "California slide" because I love that song. But I don't think they will do it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 25, 2012, 06:29:18 AM

I am slightly worried, about " A Mellow" album. Generally speaking for a whole album to flow, you still need a couple
upbeat things, even if its mostly ballads.


Don't worry about that. "Mellow" in Brian's world doesn't necessarily mean just ballads. IIRC he once described "Do it again" as a mellow rock song (which it is). Though I hope DIA won't be on the new album, I wouldn't be surprised if something like it would appear


I'm excited to hear Carl on "Waves of love". Hopefully it's a good tune. I don't know what people would have against it. It is practically new material. And it's certainly not a finished song they just put on the album. It will probably be re-recorded from scratch plus Carl's vocal. If they use "You're still a mystery" I hope they would re-work that one too.

I mentioned more than once that I'd like to hear them finish Dennis' "California slide" because I love that song. But I don't think they will do it.


I am not that hip to the world of unreleased Beach Boy songs, but I have heard some of them.

Sometimes with big groups like this, fans assume, that the surviving Beach Boys, know all about all the Dennis Wilson or Carl Wilson
tracks in the archives. That may not be true. If there is some great unreleased track by Carl or Dennis Wilson, Somebody should get
a mix of it, and go through Channels, to make sure the surviving Beach Boys know whats available, if they are or were looking for
an archival track.


Case in point, just to illustrate by example. In the case of the Beatles reunion tracks, subpar, mono cassette
demos were given to the surviving Beatles by Yoko Ono. Actually there were additional songs, and the songs Yoko
gave them, existed in a cleaner form with less generations. None of the surviving Beatles were aware of that, at the time.
Years later cleaner versions of the reunion songs surfaced on the internet, and they were much better, they could have had
a lot more to work with. But the other Beatles weren't familiar with John Lennon bootlegs and demos.


So if there is some cool Carl Wilson track, or something or Dennis Wilson, don't assume , go through channels and  get a copy
to the right person, a manager or one of the engineers or band members. In the case of the Beach Boy tribe, there are so many
sharp people, Scott Bennet, Darian Sanja, the managers, Mark Linnett,maybe they do know, but maybe they don't. The Beatles didn't.

I have some friends in old hit groups, and I will say when did you do this song, or that song, and sometimes they have no idea
or recollection about stuff like that. I think the new Pink Floyd archive set, somebody found some song, no one was aware of until
the last minute. 

I keep hearing about this song,  She is a Mystery an unreleased Carl Wilson vocal, and that Dennis Wilson song
Wouldn't it be nice to live again. Are you sure the Beach Boys even know about those songs? It's probably too late now
but six weeks ago, or three months ago, somebody should have told them.They probably know, but maybe the song only
exists on a cassette or reel to reel with the vocal locked into the backing track, maybe the multis to some of these old
tracks don't exist anymore. There are a whole bunch of bands that were signed to ABC Dunhill/MCA and somehow all
the multitracks got lost or thrown away, and those bands like Steppenwolf and Three Dog Night, can't even do remixes of their
albums because the multis are long gone, even some of the first generation mixes. So maybe they cant use a Carl or Dennis
Wilson vocal because it only exists mixed into a copy tape. Maybe they are doing the Jardine song with Carl Wilson, because
it's the only one where they have the multis. I found a bunch of multitracks in a trash can in the garage by Nils Lofgren once.
I called MCA and returned them. They should have given me a reward or something.


Well I hope Brian Wilson likes Mike Love's lyrics, and stays enthused, would he really argue much with Love if he didn't like them?
or would he just get passive and wrap it up quickly. Love knows whats at stake here, he'll do a good job on this album, this is probably
the last time he and cousin Brian will do an album.





Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2012, 07:36:23 AM
Alan Boyd has been compiling an inventory of the Brother archives for close on a decade. I think that answers your "do they even know ?" question.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: PS on February 25, 2012, 08:08:42 AM
Carl will be on the new album:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-et-beach-boys-20120225,0,3559719.story

(---sorry, I should have read the most recent posts first - this news is redundant. Which begs the obvious question: how does one remove one's post?)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 25, 2012, 08:41:36 AM
I feel for all you people who are setting themselves up for a disappointment. Just about every album released from Pet Sounds on has a song that was from an earlier period. You Still Believe In Me, Smile songs on various albums, When Girls Get Together, Good Timin', Good Time, Susie Cincinnati, etc. are older songs used for their current album of the time. Why would you expect anything different with the new album? Come on folks, be realistic here. I know, we know more than the band, itself. I get it! ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2012, 09:03:39 AM
Congratulations on telling us what we all knew anyway. Your point is ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 25, 2012, 09:14:07 AM
Congratulations on telling us what we all knew anyway. Your point is ?
Read the thread and you'll see exactly what my point is. People pissing and moaning that every song should be brand spanking new. That ain't gonna happen in Beach Boys world. Why argue this stuff. If you know your Beach Boys history, you know that there is always a good chance of old songs being used on new albums.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 25, 2012, 09:47:49 AM
Maybe I'm just having a bad day or something, but some days are just worse than others when reading this board. I find it frustrating with the history of this band that we argue about this kind of stuff. These guys are "The Beach Boys", but we argue over seeing surfboards associated with them, or a beach or the sun on a cover of an album. We argue over song names like "Waves Of Love" being cliche, etc.. Apparently, the band is embracing this image. Geez, they were signing and selling surfboards with The Smile Sessions Box Set. It has been this way since 1976, over 35 years, now. We keep trying to make them into something that they are not. All I'm hoping for is that they give their best efforts for the new album and the tour.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 25, 2012, 11:20:24 AM
Congratulations on telling us what we all knew anyway. Your point is ?
Read the thread and you'll see exactly what my point is. People pissing and moaning that every song should be brand spanking new. That ain't gonna happen in Beach Boys world. Why argue this stuff. If you know your Beach Boys history, you know that there is always a good chance of old songs being used on new albums.

That wasn't the point I was making at all. I think everyone knows the album will feature some material familiar to "collectors." My point was simply that I would prefer the album be an all-new recording, with only the current lineup performing. No ghostly, edited in vocals, please.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 25, 2012, 11:53:32 AM
Carl was a very big part of their sound and a well respected band member. I suppose it is their way to honor him and include his countenance in the reunion. Just speculating here. Bedsides, he was quite alive when those vocals were performed. Nothing ghostly about it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on February 25, 2012, 12:35:32 PM
No moaning here!

I think the whole 50th is going great. Who'd have believed it. SMiLE. The boys back togerher. A tour. A new album, which sounds very interesting judging by the info we have so far.

Never thought we'd have even one of those things.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on February 25, 2012, 01:47:41 PM
Congratulations on telling us what we all knew anyway. Your point is ?
Read the thread and you'll see exactly what my point is. People pissing and moaning that every song should be brand spanking new. That ain't gonna happen in Beach Boys world. Why argue this stuff. If you know your Beach Boys history, you know that there is always a good chance of old songs being used on new albums.

That wasn't the point I was making at all. I think everyone knows the album will feature some material familiar to "collectors." My point was simply that I would prefer the album be an all-new recording, with only the current lineup performing. No ghostly, edited in vocals, please.
My point entirely, I'm not moaning I welcome any new album, exactly as they want it, Just my personal preference for a new song cycle.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 25, 2012, 02:56:21 PM
Alan Boyd has been compiling an inventory of the Brother archives for close on a decade. I think that answers your "do they even know ?" question.


Yeah I saw him in the long SmiLe documentary, did that come with the box set? I only have the two disc which I love.
He seemed like a sharp and dedicated guy, I guess he would have access to get ahold of the band? He and those
other guys all seemed like good archivists, They really have good people around them. The Darian Sanja, Scott Bennett
crowd, Mark Linnett, Alan Boyd, the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson are  looked after, like an American Icon or treasure now.

I am quite pleased how while still preserving some privacy, all these people, seem to help get info to the fans about
recordings and projects. You too Andrew, thanks for maintaining the groups privacy and dignity, but getting us some
good info.


We are starting to get info every 24-48 hours, When is the kick off date in New Orleans 3 months? I bet we get the single
in advance of the show, I'm just talking out my ass, but I have a feeling they are all inspired and want the single out
at least by the kickoff date, They have to be a little further along than they tell us in the press, I can't stop blabbing the
whole thing is so great!


Andrew please explain one thing, Soul Searchin was a debacle why ? it sounded good on GIOMH, are you saying
Wilson and company scrubbed some BBoys vocals to make it just a duet for the solo album, is that why you think its
blasphemy? The Soul Searchin and She's a Mystery boots I heard, sounded rough, if Wilson wanted to include a song
with his brother, why couldn't he leave on the other vocals also? or is it they scrubbed a good backing track?


If Mystery is that good, maybe they are doing that one also, and Jardine neglected to mention it, because it's not his song.


I'm blabbing too much, always better to listen rather than talk, especially me not being an expert, but the whole thing
is so damn exciting, a new Beach Boys album in 2012 who would have thought that!


When you type Darian Sanja, and do your spell check before posting, it comes up Sanka, astronaut coffee!!!!!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on February 25, 2012, 02:57:01 PM
Congratulations on telling us what we all knew anyway. Your point is ?
Read the thread and you'll see exactly what my point is. People pissing and moaning that every song should be brand spanking new. That ain't gonna happen in Beach Boys world. Why argue this stuff. If you know your Beach Boys history, you know that there is always a good chance of old songs being used on new albums.

That wasn't the point I was making at all. I think everyone knows the album will feature some material familiar to "collectors." My point was simply that I would prefer the album be an all-new recording, with only the current lineup performing. No ghostly, edited in vocals, please.
My point entirely, I'm not moaning I welcome any new album, exactly as they want it, Just my personal preference for a new song cycle.
Same here. I will be happy with anything the boys put out, and I am well aware of their pedigree, often finishing older songs for a new album.

The only thing that has me worried is the choice of "Do it Again" as a lead-off promo (hoping it will be on the album only as a bonus track). There is also a history here - Postcard from California is riddled with remakes and Al seems to still be in that mindset; the last album we got from the Boys was Stars and Stripes, which was all remakes.

If the group wants to use a Carl vocal, that's a-OK with me, especially since it is a previously unheard song. I am actually a big fan of "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love." I just hope they don't go back to the well of old songs and old ideas too often for the new record.

They already led off an album with "Do it Again," and that album was 20/20. See my point?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on February 25, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Congratulations on telling us what we all knew anyway. Your point is ?
Read the thread and you'll see exactly what my point is. People pissing and moaning that every song should be brand spanking new. That ain't gonna happen in Beach Boys world. Why argue this stuff. If you know your Beach Boys history, you know that there is always a good chance of old songs being used on new albums.
at wasn't the point I was making at all. I think everyone knows the album will feature some material familiar to "collectors." My point was simply that I would prefer the album be an all-new recording, with only the current lineup performing. No ghostly, edited in vocals, please.
My point entirely, I'm not moaning I welcome any new album, exactly as they want it, Just my personal preference for a new song cycle.
Same here. I will be happy with anything the boys put out, and I am well aware of their pedigree, often finishing older songs for a new album.

The only thing that has me worried is the choice of "Do it Again" as a lead-off promo (hoping it will be on the album only as a bonus track). There is also a history here - Postcard from California is riddled with remakes and Al seems to still be in that mindset; the last album we got from the Boys was Stars and Stripes, which was all remakes.

If the group wants to use a Carl vocal, that's a-OK with me, especially since it is a previously unheard song. I am actually a big fan of "Free as a Bird" and "Real Love." I just hope they don't go back to the well of old songs and old ideas too often for the new record.

They already led off an album with "Do it Again," and that album was 20/20. See my point?
Real Love was pretty good, but hey I'm a BB's fan, I expect better than alright. Thats how much I respect these guys. If an old song 9s reworked then we will all have a jaundiced view of it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2012, 03:29:40 PM
Andrew please explain one thing, Soul Searchin was a debacle why ? it sounded good on GIOMH, are you saying
Wilson and company scrubbed some BBoys vocals to make it just a duet for the solo album, is that why you think its
blasphemy?

The original BB backing vox were scrubbed, and they were far superior to what Brian did.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 25, 2012, 04:04:33 PM
Andrew please explain one thing, Soul Searchin was a debacle why ? it sounded good on GIOMH, are you saying
Wilson and company scrubbed some BBoys vocals to make it just a duet for the solo album, is that why you think its
blasphemy?

The original BB backing vox were scrubbed, and they were far superior to what Brian did.


Oh that is nasty. He made a duet with his brother, but scrubbed other parts by the BBoys, that is kind of
awful. Because it's a very good song, and wow that's too bad. I can see the more you peel the onion, there
are reasons for hurt feelings everywhere. Happily everybody has gotten over it. At least to where they are
all digging the new album.


As to the Free As A bird Real Love example, I Love them, the Beatles doing two new songs! My point was
they got a really bad inferior tape to work with, a mono cassette, down a couple or three generations. There
were cleaner copies, and better takes they could have used, and the two reunion songs would have sounded
better, but the Beatles were unaware of that. They did not have an Alan Boyd kind of guy, ferreting out that
kind of issue.

Jardine only mentioned Carl Wilson on the one song, the wave song that he (Jardine) wrote. But I don't think
that excludes the possibility of the Beach Boys using "She's A Mystery" or some second song featuring Carl Wilson.
The only thing Jardine excluded in his comments, was using a Dennis Wilson vocal. Maybe they just don't have
any Dennis Wilson to work with. Carl Wilson's beautiful tenor and voice timbre is unmistakable however. I hope
they can use his voice on two songs, it will really give the effect to the listener of a complete new Beach Boys
album, current and new but still with Carl Wilson.I just can't wait, I need to go do something else for a bit
come back in a week see what we have learned.


So anyway we learned, there will be a Jardine song, so my question is OK, Brian will be the one with the most
songwriting credits, but we know for sure, Mike Love and Al Jardine are getting some writing credits also.
Can we assume that Mr Disney Girls will get one song after 46 years of loyal service, or does his song get bumped
with Brian back in the studio? I'd say one song on this album for a songwriter has to be worth, several hundred
grand, Does Johnston get a salary on the road, or a split? I heard he is a nice guy, I hope he gets a piece of
the tour this is a big payday,


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ArchStanton on February 25, 2012, 04:29:22 PM
It never sat well with me that SIP or I guess Stars And Stripes was the last Beach Boys album, so I'm pretty well satisfied with the way things are going overall.  As others have said, I'd prefer the archival tracks stayed on archival releases myself, but I won't complain.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 25, 2012, 04:35:48 PM
Andrew please explain one thing, Soul Searchin was a debacle why ? it sounded good on GIOMH, are you saying
Wilson and company scrubbed some BBoys vocals to make it just a duet for the solo album, is that why you think its
blasphemy?

The original BB backing vox were scrubbed, and they were far superior to what Brian did.

IIRC, Brian isn't even on the Beach Boys' version of SS. It's Mike (very audible), Carl, Al, Bruce and Matt Jardine.

The same thing happened, incidentally, on the version of "In My Room" that the band recorded with Tammy Wynette. It was a gorgeous version, with some great stuff from Carl. When Tammy's version of the song turned up on a tribute album, the band's voices had been replaced by a wall-o-Brians.

Andrew please explain one thing, Soul Searchin was a debacle why ? it sounded good on GIOMH, are you saying
Wilson and company scrubbed some BBoys vocals to make it just a duet for the solo album, is that why you think its
blasphemy?

The original BB backing vox were scrubbed, and they were far superior to what Brian did.
Oh that is nasty. He made a duet with his brother, but scrubbed other parts by the BBoys, that is kind of
awful. Because it's a very good song, and wow that's too bad. I can see the more you peel the onion, there
are reasons for hurt feelings everywhere. Happily everybody has gotten over it. At least to where they are
all digging the new album.

I don't know if there were actually hurt feelings over that. The band had refused to finish or put out the track, so Brian went ahead and did it. I've never heard that anyone in the band felt one way or another about it.

Jardine only mentioned Carl Wilson on the one song, the wave song that he (Jardine) wrote. But I don't think
that excludes the possibility of the Beach Boys using "She's A Mystery" or some second song featuring Carl Wilson.

The song is called "You're Still a Mystery." The lead vocal is by Brian, with Mike adding some key lines. I don't recall Carl being especially audible in it. I don't doubt he's there, but it's hardly a "featuring Carl Wilson track."

So anyway we learned, there will be a Jardine song, so my question is OK, Brian will be the one with the most
songwriting credits, but we know for sure, Mike Love and Al Jardine are getting some writing credits also.
Can we assume that Mr Disney Girls will get one song after 46 years of loyal service, or does his song get bumped
with Brian back in the studio? I'd say one song on this album for a songwriter has to be worth, several hundred
grand, Does Johnston get a salary on the road, or a split? I heard he is a nice guy, I hope he gets a piece of
the tour this is a big payday

Until we see a tracklist and writing credits, we don't know what will be on the album. Al's tune is clearly in contention, but who knows if it makes the cut or not? Until that interview, most of the talk had been about Brian's contributions to the album.

I believe Bruce is salaried. Also, I doubt that, even if he does have a song on the album, it would be worth "several hundred grand." I'm not sure there's money like that in writing an album track in this day and age. CDs aren't selling well, and digital sales are pretty tiny. I doubt he's on it as a writer.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 25, 2012, 07:09:28 PM
Thanks for the correction Wirestone. As well as the info.


I know CD sales are way down, In my mind I made a few suppositions, that the forthcoming album
will be big in Europe as well as the USA and some other parts of the world. That the album is being
supported by a huge 50Th Anniv. tour. That the B Boys are getting lots of free publicity, in the New York
Times, Los Angeles Times, that much more free media will follow, and I was thinking, this album will
have a long shelf life as probably the Beach Boys final studio album. The label is hot for this, for
commercial reasons as well as historical. I was thinking 3-5 million units worldwide, and ongoing
sales as part of the catalogue and official canon, and so I very unscientifically thought, oh that's
gotta be worth several hundred grand for an album cut on here.

I should chill a bit, I had some free time, and am just excited about the forthcoming album. Unlike
other classic bands who do a project, the Beach Boys are somewhat tight lipped, but they do offer
some updates directly, and through "channels" and there is some leakage from participants or
personell from the studio , record label or other ancillary people.

This is such a rare gift, people my grandfathers age, didn't normally live past 70, let alone make a possible
masterpiece, and the sad legacy of rock, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Hendrix, Lennon, Keith Moon, Dennis Wilson
Carl Wilson, etc etc. The surviving groups who could do something but don't. This may be the last great album
from one of the sixties era greats, unless perhaps the Stones or Simon & Garfunkel or somebody does it once more.
I know I talk a bit too much, but this is just a great thing.

My guess today, is that the performance and recording quality will be quite good, if they have some great songs
then this is a home run. People slammed and ignored the recent "Eagles" studio album. I mean they sold some copies
but spent years making it, and people seemed unhappy. I think the opposite will happen with this Beach Boys album
I can't put my finger on it, but it feels in my gut like this is gonna be huge. I Love it when some of my musical hero's
climb the charts and show people what it's really all about, take the youngsters to school, I am biased, I want this
to succeed, on paper this is about the biggest classic rock album, it's possible to make. When people talk about the
Beatles or Stones or Dylan or Spector and Leave the Beach Boys out of that top five list of all time, I don't think they
have ever liked that. This one is gonna work, and sell forever, erase the memory of the last couple Beach Boy studio
albums that were just not up to that high standard. Come on Beach Boys! Yes!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jim V. on February 25, 2012, 09:39:51 PM
All this talk about using an unreleased Carl vocal, and no one has mentioned "Dancing the Night Away"? THAT was a beautiful vocal on his part. The track for that is also lovely, a rockin' little thing, and also a wonderful group vocal for the "somewhere out in Malibu" part. I'm kinda bummed that "Waves of Love" got scrapped for the Postcard re-release, but eh, so be it. Is anybody even sure "Waves of Love" was even supposed to really be a "Beach Boys" song? I know Carl is on it, and Bruce (I think), but I'm pretty sure it was recorded in the mid-'90s for an Al solo thing. All I know is I hope this album isn't dragged down by politics and makes it so we have to get one solo "Mike", one solo "Al" and one solo "Bruce" written track to please everybody. Hopefully they just pick the best material available, and if it happens to mostly be written by Brian, than so be it, and if Carl happens to be on a few tracks, so be it, and if he doesn't, that's ok too, because they should pick the best stuff, and I don't think Carl or Dennis will be forgotten any time soon.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 25, 2012, 10:37:51 PM
All I know is I hope this album isn't dragged down by politics and makes it so we have to get one solo "Mike", one solo "Al" and one solo "Bruce" written track to please everybody.

Well, that's up to "executive producer" Love, I guess.

I don't know how you avoid a bit of that. I mean, all the guys are writing (not sure about Bruce). But people want an album with Brian at the helm. So you have to balance that somehow.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 25, 2012, 10:43:27 PM
Jardine only mentioned Carl Wilson on the one song, the wave song that he (Jardine) wrote. But I don't think
that excludes the possibility of the Beach Boys using "She's A Mystery" or some second song featuring Carl Wilson.

Lead vocal on that is Brian.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on February 25, 2012, 11:07:17 PM
I was thinking 3-5 million units worldwide, and ongoing
sales as part of the catalogue and official canon, and so I very unscientifically thought, oh that's
gotta be worth several hundred grand for an album cut on here.

 :lol  Where to begin? Still Cruisin' is the only studio album since Pet Sounds that we know has sold over 1 million copies worldwide. That relied on the massive success of 'Kokomo' and also featured three classic tracks. Also, 3-5 million in album sales worldwide is enough to get you into yearly top ten lists....so you're talking Rihanna territory there.

I think the tour will give it a boost and such, but I'd be shocked if it did any better than 300K worldwide and that's being very, very generous. It could just as well sink below 100K worldwide. A solo songwriting credit on one song on the album won't really amount to much to be honest. We're talking like a few grand.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: NatureShowInStereo on February 25, 2012, 11:44:22 PM
Is this Waves of Love song on Jardine's album available online somewhere for me to listen to? Never heard this one, I'd like to listen to it and imagine a full Beach Boys recording of it to get a pseudo feel for what the new album will be like.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 25, 2012, 11:56:50 PM
Is this Waves of Love song on Jardine's album available online somewhere for me to listen to? Never heard this one, I'd like to listen to it and imagine a full Beach Boys recording of it to get a pseudo feel for what the new album will be like.

I've looked. Haven't found. "You're Still a Mystery" was out there at one point , but Brother Records has pulled it down now, which could suggest something.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 25, 2012, 11:58:15 PM
Don't know whether it's been booted, but it was slated to be a bonus track on Al's re-released album until that got canned.

Aren't BRI pretty astute with finding things on youtube nowadays?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Myk Luhv on February 26, 2012, 12:03:55 AM
Yeah, I mean, sh*t -- if BRI was as good at uploading as they are at taking down, Beach Boys Central might even be a reality this year!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: NatureShowInStereo on February 26, 2012, 12:07:49 AM
Ahh, I see. I thought it was released/booted. That's a bummer.

Would looove to see Still A Mystery on the new album, though.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 26, 2012, 01:13:39 AM
I was thinking 3-5 million units worldwide, and ongoing
sales as part of the catalogue and official canon, and so I very unscientifically thought, oh that's
gotta be worth several hundred grand for an album cut on here.

 :lol  Where to begin? Still Cruisin' is the only studio album since Pet Sounds that we know has sold over 1 million copies worldwide. That relied on the massive success of 'Kokomo' and also featured three classic tracks. Also, 3-5 million in album sales worldwide is enough to get you into yearly top ten lists....so you're talking Rihanna territory there.

I think the tour will give it a boost and such, but I'd be shocked if it did any better than 300K worldwide and that's being very, very generous. It could just as well sink below 100K worldwide. A solo songwriting credit on one song on the album won't really amount to much to be honest. We're talking like a few grand.


I didn't realize the sales numbers for the Beach Boys had sunk that low, but those last couple studio albums were not that great,
and maybe I am just dead wrong, but they are gonna do much better than a couple hundred thousand units, huge free media coverage
the big tour, and supposedly the high quality of this new album, and the drama of the reunion, and the swansong, if this album is as good
as they say it's going to be, I still say 1-2 million units worldwide.

Didn't Brian Wilson presents Smile 2004 surpass between one and two million worldwide. Now that was 8 years ago
but still, this has the Beach Boy name, and everything else, if the album is good, they will do well. I hope.

Now I realize you were quoting numbers for sales going back to the late sixties, I find that hard to believe that some of those albums
didn't do better, but that best of package sold several million , a few years ago, No if this album is good, they'll do a couple million
world wide, too many good things are happening, the stars are right this time.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on February 26, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
I was thinking 3-5 million units worldwide, and ongoing
sales as part of the catalogue and official canon, and so I very unscientifically thought, oh that's
gotta be worth several hundred grand for an album cut on here.

 :lol  Where to begin? Still Cruisin' is the only studio album since Pet Sounds that we know has sold over 1 million copies worldwide. That relied on the massive success of 'Kokomo' and also featured three classic tracks. Also, 3-5 million in album sales worldwide is enough to get you into yearly top ten lists....so you're talking Rihanna territory there.

I think the tour will give it a boost and such, but I'd be shocked if it did any better than 300K worldwide and that's being very, very generous. It could just as well sink below 100K worldwide. A solo songwriting credit on one song on the album won't really amount to much to be honest. We're talking like a few grand.


I didn't realize the sales numbers for the Beach Boys had sunk that low, but those last couple studio albums were not that great,
and maybe I am just dead wrong, but they are gonna do much better than a couple hundred thousand units, huge free media coverage
the big tour, and supposedly the high quality of this new album, and the drama of the reunion, and the swansong, if this album is as good
as they say it's going to be, I still say 1-2 million units worldwide.

Didn't Brian Wilson presents Smile 2004 surpass between one and two million worldwide. Now that was 8 years ago
but still, this has the Beach Boy name, and everything else, if the album is good, they will do well. I hope.

Now I realize you were quoting numbers for sales going back to the late sixties, I find that hard to believe that some of those albums
didn't do better, but that best of package sold several million , a few years ago, No if this album is good, they'll do a couple million
world wide, too many good things are happening, the stars are right this time.
3-5 million? No chance. Outside of a small group of music fans, no-one gives a sh*t about a BB's reunion I'm afraid. The world has moved on check out the sales of the last Who album in 2006, their first since 1982. The world yawned, scratched it's arse and went back to bed.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Tord on February 26, 2012, 01:41:28 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Features/2012-02-26-PNI0226ae-beach-boysPNIBrd_ST_U.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Features/2012-02-26-PNI0226ae-beach-boysPNIBrd_ST_U.htm)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 26, 2012, 01:51:27 AM
'Wilson says, "I don't think we're gonna do 'Smile.' I personally don't want to. We're not gonna do 'Smile.'"
At this point, Love steps in.
"Brian, you don't think we might do one song, like 'Heroes and Villains' or something?" he asks.
"Oh, absolutely," Wilson says. "I thought you meant the whole thing. Of course we can do 'Heroes and Villains.'"

Oh Bri.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on February 26, 2012, 04:07:48 AM
Hilarious  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Cam Mott on February 26, 2012, 04:13:54 AM
I love the sound of that. Sounds like two old cousins ought to.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 26, 2012, 04:39:43 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Features/2012-02-26-PNI0226ae-beach-boysPNIBrd_ST_U.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/USCP/PNI/Features/2012-02-26-PNI0226ae-beach-boysPNIBrd_ST_U.htm)


Oddly, some of the USA today article seemed to be a verbatim reprint from the times article
the other day, but certain portions of this article seemed new.

They are getting so much press on this, and the guys  seem to be so content and into this project.
If the album is really good, I think this is gonna go big. I know conventional wisdom says, they can only
move a few hundred thousand units worldwide, and the audience for classic rock has left the station
years ago. But I think this is gonna cross over to young and old and really be a hit. As long as the album
is as good as they are making seem.I haven't been this excited since I heard SMiLe was coming out.

They sure delivered the goods on SmiLe , they are gonna deliver on the new album too Damn I can't
wait to hear the gosh darn thing.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Cam Mott on February 26, 2012, 10:41:55 AM
I wasn't expecting much albumwise but DIA and the Grammys have raised my expectations considerably. However, even if the album is a steaming pile of crap I am very excited about the Boys getting back to together and the love going around already. Winning.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 26, 2012, 07:40:32 PM
I wasn't expecting much albumwise but DIA and the Grammys have raised my expectations considerably. However, even if the album is a steaming pile of crap I am very excited about the Boys getting back to together and the love going around already. Winning.

That's the spirit!

The album won't be crap, it might even be the best thing they have done since the late sixties, early seventies.
I think people get sentimental as they age, and fifty years is fifty years, sadly as solo artists, it's tough for them
to even get deals, or get their work out. Once they finally started hanging out, and working, I think they started
enjoying themselves. They don't have the skills or concentration they might have had 20-30 years ago, but they
have so much experience, desire to uplift their legacy, such a good supporting team, the label seems to be 110%
behind them. The press is eating it up like candy from a baby.Modern recording technology is a big asset, I think
most of us prefer the old magnetic tape at 30 ips, but they have the best microphones, room acoustics, engineer staff
the editing capabilities now are amazing. All they need is three or four great songs, and three or four good songs
and they have a borderline masterpiece on their hands.

Some people knocked the sound, saying it was all autotuned, I didn't really here that,nor did other professionals
I work with who heard it. It might have been autotuned, but we didn't notice that. It sounded to us like the timber
of their voices had aged, but that sounded good. DIA remake I am talking about. The thing about TLOS, Wilson's
lead vocals didn't sound so hot, but he sounded better on Gershwin and Disney I don't understand that, maybe it
is the autotune. Who cares, before autotune, many other similar methods were employed, punching in, vari tape speed
the album is gonna be good. When my father was 70, about all he cared about was reading the paper or just waking
up at all. To be making a good album is fantastic! they sort of look seventy, but they seem to have the energy of
guys 10-15 years younger. Particularly Jardine and Love, Wilson looks a bit older, but he's smiling a lot and joking
in all these interviews, they seem happy.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jonathan Blum on February 27, 2012, 05:57:48 AM
'Wilson says, "I don't think we're gonna do 'Smile.' I personally don't want to. We're not gonna do 'Smile.'"
At this point, Love steps in.
"Brian, you don't think we might do one song, like 'Heroes and Villains' or something?" he asks.
"Oh, absolutely," Wilson says. "I thought you meant the whole thing. Of course we can do 'Heroes and Villains.'"

Oh Bri.  ;D

Mike Love encouraging Brian to do "Heroes And Villains".  Yet another never-thought-I'd-see-the-day.  :-)

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: doinnothin on February 27, 2012, 07:07:01 AM
Maybe they'll finish Can't Wait Too Long [Been Way Too Long] for the record!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 27, 2012, 08:39:35 AM
Maybe they'll finish Can't Wait Too Long [Been Way Too Long] for the record!


Don't think so. Brian used part of it on TLOS and I don't believe he would be up for working on it again.



Quote
Mike Love encouraging Brian to do "Heroes And Villains".  Yet another never-thought-I'd-see-the-day.  :-)


You know, it makes a lot of sense to do that song. The Smile box is a big seller and people probably would like to hear some of it so that makes a lot of sense. And to play it on the anniversary tour, which should show as many sides of Beach Boys music as possible would make sense. And that tour... it just makes a lot of sense to tour together for the anniversary and play some Beach Boys songs, which makes sense because what other songs should they play that would make sense ? Of course they could play Chcuk Berry's "Rock and roll music" which was a hit for the Beach Boys in 1976, that was before "Kokomo" became No 1 in 1988, so that would make sense..... sense, sense,sense...... :3d

I'm happy that Mike is a better lyricist that speaker......  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: absinthe_boy on February 27, 2012, 11:15:59 AM
CD/LP/download sales are so low these days that as another poster has said, almost nothing sells millions these days. Only a few over-hyped and under-talented artists beloved of teenagers sell that sort of tonnage.

The Beach Boys could pull a great album out of the bag, get great reviews, even air play and a couple of genuine hit singles...the album could crack the top 10 in the USA and UK....and still not sell a million worldwide. That's not because they are The Beach Boys but because music sales are very low.

I'll buy this new record even if is a steaming pile of dung....though to be honest at this point my least expectations are of an album that is listenable with 3 or 4 really good tracks - and it could well end up being better than that.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: PhilSpectre on February 27, 2012, 12:05:39 PM
I very much doubt this would happen, but even if they can't (due to technical limitations of separating vocals and music on old recordings) or don't want to use a Dennis Wilson song/ vocal (too old, poor sound quality etc), it would be lovely if they put in a snatch or two of him singing, talking, playing the drums (beyond any such sample of his drums on DIA) or even laughing at the beginning or end of a track (in some kind of context within the song/ album) as recognition to the cool dude who was as much a Beach Boy as anyone on the new record. He deserves at least that much, if we are talking 50 years of the group, and not just a snapshot of the group today. He was the real Beach Boy after all, whose surf, cars and girls lifestyle inspired many of their earliest songs  8) .


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on February 27, 2012, 12:40:32 PM


and supposedly the high quality of this new album, and the drama of the reunion, and the swansong, if this album is as good
as they say it's going to be, I still say 1-2 million units worldwide.

Didn't Brian Wilson presents Smile 2004 surpass between one and two million worldwide. Now that was 8 years ago
but still, this has the Beach Boy name, and everything else, if the album is good, they will do well. I hope.


Jesus. Ok, you know how crazy it would be for them to sell 2 million albums worldwide? Last year, the tenth best selling album in the United States was Lady Antebellum's Own The Night. It sold 1.2 million copies in the United States which is probably about how many The Beach Boys would have to sell here to reach 2 million worldwide. There's no way. They won't get any music video play on television (as if there's much of that anymore, anyway) and Adult Contemporary stations are the only ones that will play their tunes (and that's if they have a soft rock number or whatever that's very, very good). This band doesn't even get played on classic rock stations, only Oldies stations of which most of the country don't even have access to One.


Brian Wilson's Smile has sold a few hundred thousand copies worldwide. I'd guess about 300,000, maybe slightly more. In the UK where the band seems to have their biggest cult following, it sold over 100,000. Based on its US chart success, I couldn't imagine more than 150,000 State-side. Again, you're way overestimating album sales in today's market. Surpassing 200K in the US in one year is now enough to make Billboard's Annual Top 100.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 27, 2012, 02:15:27 PM
'Wilson says, "I don't think we're gonna do 'Smile.' I personally don't want to. We're not gonna do 'Smile.'"
At this point, Love steps in.
"Brian, you don't think we might do one song, like 'Heroes and Villains' or something?" he asks.
"Oh, absolutely," Wilson says. "I thought you meant the whole thing. Of course we can do 'Heroes and Villains.'"

Oh Bri.  ;D

Mike Love encouraging Brian to do "Heroes And Villains".  Yet another never-thought-I'd-see-the-day.  :-)

Cheers,
Jon Blum

I would love to see Heroes and Villains with Mike in the band. I love how he does the Heroes and Villains Part 2 bass vocal, "duh heroes, duh heroes, the heroes and villains".

on a related note, I hate how during the Grammy performance of Good Vibrations, Jeff did the Asher-version "AND I'M PICKIN' UP" thing before the chorus.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 27, 2012, 08:23:03 PM


and supposedly the high quality of this new album, and the drama of the reunion, and the swansong, if this album is as good
as they say it's going to be, I still say 1-2 million units worldwide.

Didn't Brian Wilson presents Smile 2004 surpass between one and two million worldwide. Now that was 8 years ago
but still, this has the Beach Boy name, and everything else, if the album is good, they will do well. I hope.


Jesus. OK, you know how crazy it would be for them to sell 2 million albums worldwide? Last year, the tenth best selling album in the United States was Lady Antebellum Own The Night. It sold 1.2 million copies in the United States which is probably about how many The Beach Boys would have to sell here to reach 2 million worldwide. There's no way. They won't get any music video play on television (as if there's much of that anymore, anyway) and Adult Contemporary stations are the only ones that will play their tunes (and that's if they have a soft rock number or whatever that's very, very good). This band doesn't even get played on classic rock stations, only Oldies stations of which most of the country don't even have access to One.


Brian Wilson's Smile has sold a few hundred thousand copies worldwide. I'd guess about 300,000, maybe slightly more. In the UK where the band seems to have their biggest cult following, it sold over 100,000. Based on its US chart success, I couldn't imagine more than 150,000 Stateside. Again, you're way overestimating album sales in today's market. Surpassing 200K in the US in one year is now enough to make Billboard's Annual Top 100.


OK , if numbers have gone down that far Jesus. I knew album sales were way down, progressively over the last decade, but
no I didn't know it was that bad. If I understood you guys correctly,  ten albums sold a million units in the  USA last year, probably only
a handful of singles. I knew it was bad, but not that bad! Yikes


Still we have a couple things in their favor, one take the Smile five disc or Beadle remaster boxes, people were paying for
either five discs (beach boys) 14 discs (beatle remasters) or two discs (Beach boys 2 disc set) but the jerk people who count
that stuff only counted each five disc box set as one unit. It really is five, you are getting the money for five, you have issued five
but in their magic math everytime someone bought five discs of Smile Billboard and the other organizations   said it was one copy
which is pretty expensive since people were paying like a 150 bucks apiece. the Beatles one is even worse, people were plunking
down enough money for 14 discs! a pretty penny indeed, and it was counted by the I dint know what to call them, crooks, so there is
the whole what constitutes a unit. They might give you  credit for a hundred thousand but you really just pocketed the money
for a half a million


Second,    McCartney and new Beatles projects do still sell a couple million   So this is a perfect time for the Beach Boys to be able to
do that on this one, if the album is good.  The label is behind them. All the original members are hitting the road hard. They are getting
enormous free did I say free Press in the largest news and music publications in the country, there is an enormous swell of support
for the Beach Boys, what they have been through, a great deal of pride in them as an American institution, they appeal to California    
people because they are the native sons,  people do surf here and ride those kind of cars, and AL that. The right wing parents like them
and their right wing beach kids are encouraged to like them. Because they are politically safe playing benefits for Ronald Reagan, inoffensive
lyrics, music that makes you feel good.  All the conservatives like them because the message is so compelling, a human interest story.
The liberals and artists like them, because of their prowess in the studio, innovation,   musical chops. The country needs hero's'
people are outta work, whole communities    are losing their homes and ability to support their family. Here comes nutty Brian Wilson
and the Beach Boys with a message of peace and love, and a good time,   They are to America what the Beatles are to the UK,
They are making every right move, it's a human interest story, a message of hope, overcoming adversity, and a great musical story
they are going to sing one more time on record and across America and the world. meanwhile they will keep getting on every television
and radios station for free press, day after day, week after week. The last time one of the original genius groups of the sixties will
ever offer a new album...


If this is played right with the delivery of a really good album., the label going for broke behind them, all the free publicity,  a successful tour
where literally millions of Americans and Britons will see and hear them in their local town, and read about this heartwarming story in the
local press, and with all the sharp dedicated people who work with them

There may be only ten gold albums per year in America right now, but this has a shot at being one of them. This is a special moment..



Any more news on the music, song titles,   descriptions anything fresh?



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on February 28, 2012, 01:43:05 AM
Every unit in a multidisc set is counted as long as it is a certain length. So the Smile box does count as five units per set sold. Also, gold albums are for only half a million in sales and platinum is the award for one million copies sold.

You are right about McCartney as his new, proper studio albums do reach the million mark. A lot of that is due to the tour. If two million people see him live and one in four buys the album, he is halfway there. The tour for the Boys will dwarf any other promotion for this album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jonathan Blum on February 28, 2012, 03:38:21 AM
You are right about McCartney as his new, proper studio albums do reach the million mark.

...actually, I don't think he's had a platinum studio album since the mid-'80s.  They all go gold (and then some), but don't reach a million in the US.  Worldwide, though, they probably top a million.

His live sets tend to go platinum, but they're multi-disc...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 28, 2012, 04:37:18 AM
Every unit in a multidisc set is counted as long as it is a certain length. So the Smile box does count as five units per set sold. Also, gold albums are for only half a million in sales and platinum is the award for one million copies sold.

You are right about McCartney as his new, proper studio albums do reach the million mark. A lot of that is due to the tour. If two million people see him live and one in four buys the album, he is halfway there. The tour for the Boys will dwarf any other promotion for this album.

Look I think you are partially right. Billboard and the RIAA and whoever else have some funky rules regarding how
old music, or multidisc music is counted, I don't have all the facts in front of me, and it's been hard for me to find
that stuff on line. Needless to say I am not an accountant, math whiz or Business man.

Music is down, sales. But this new album and tour is an iconic moment. Its historical, this new album is the kind of thing
that can be bought by libraries, school districts for art, music and history classes. This album could be a cultural phenomenon
If the album is good, a wide cross section of people could dig this album. The arty younger music crowd, the California crowd,
the traditional Beach Boy fan, the old classic rock fan, social and political Conservatives  who normally tend to shy away from
pop artists. The Beach Boys have a long history of being associated with republicans like Ronald Reagan. All the parents that
want to turn their kids on to something cool. My cousins turned me on to Sgt pepper through the headphones in 67, that's how
it began for me. All the marketing that will remind people of what a historic moment this is, the last new album from one of the
iconic sixties bands, they are all dead or unavailable. The press is eating up this story, The New York Times, LA Times, USA TODAY
Rolling Stone, and they haven't even played one show or released a single new song yet. Brian Wilson's heartwarming return
after living in the abyss of mental illness.

Radio play, well, oldies , adult contemporary, and   they really need a good single, and some promoters with muscle to break
that for Billboard hot 100. They need to muscle that single into the top 20 or higher. At least for two weeks. They need to play it
on Letterman, Jay Leno, and everybody else. They need a cool video, the animated Hero's and Villians  video was interesting, but
kind of primitive. I Like the DIA video, something more like that, with a brand new killer song.    

People are rooting for  them. Now what do they play five thousand seaters? that's only a quarter million people, but you add
the extra shows, and European shows, a few big venues on special nights, maybe that number goes up to half a million. 10-20 million
just saw them on the grammys, they need to do the new song on televising on late night TV or CNN everywhere they can, they can
add perhaps 10-15 million people that will see the song,  


It doesn't matter, I just wanna hear the new album. But I can see, how this is their moment, and they can do very well with some
push and muscle and work. But the album and single have to deliver. They are not gonna go big based on their 70 year old appearance
and camaraderie in front of the camera. People wanna give them free TV exposure for this, both as entertainment, nostalgia, national pride
a human interest story, I hope they have a title more inspiring than, "that's why God made the radio" although, people say the song is
killer, so if it is. bring it on. Springsteen hit the cover of time and newsweek within a few weeks of each other,in I think 1975, it launched
him as the new Dylan, the new superstar, he launched into the stratosphere overnight, for my money he is a lucky guy, not anywhere on
the level of the Beach Boys or Beatles or Dylan. Or even Elvis Costello. The Beach Boys are poised to get that same kind of press,

Sorry for taking up your time. They all have more money in the bank than I'll ever have, I just hope I enjoy the album. But I really
do see how this is their moment to soar.


"thats why God made the radio"  Doesn't exactly roll off the tongue or imagination like, God Only Know's or Good Vibrations
But then California Girls is not exactly high lyrical art, yet it's a great song, so fingers crossed. You can't judge a song by it's title.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on February 28, 2012, 04:43:55 AM
Just so everyone knows - you currently need to sell 500,000 units to earn a RIAA gold record certification.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on February 28, 2012, 06:10:00 AM
Just so everyone knows - you currently need to sell 500,000 units to earn a RIAA gold record certification.

Yeah that's not gonna happen..

Selling 50 thousand first week get's you a number 1, that's how bad it is these days..

Well for everyone expect Adele, man that numbers she is racking up, simply incredible


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 28, 2012, 07:56:49 AM
Every unit in a multidisc set is counted as long as it is a certain length. So the Smile box does count as five units per set sold.

Seven units, actually.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 28, 2012, 08:27:36 AM
So how many sells would it take to make a #1 on the singles charts?

What I'm getting at is that us hardcore fans in a coordinated effort maybe could create a hit, although maybe not a #1, for them by buying multiple downloads of the same song during the same week. Would that be realistic?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 28, 2012, 09:07:54 AM
So how many sells would it take to make a #1 on the singles charts?

What I'm getting at is that us hardcore fans in a coordinated effort maybe could create a hit, although maybe not a #1, for them by buying multiple downloads of the same song during the same week. Would that be realistic?

Singles are different, I think ... people do buy them in relatively large numbers as downloads. We'd probably have more impact as a coordinated album buying (both physical and digital) campaign.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on February 28, 2012, 12:50:20 PM
You are right about McCartney as his new, proper studio albums do reach the million mark.

...actually, I don't think he's had a platinum studio album since the mid-'80s.  They all go gold (and then some), but don't reach a million in the US.  Worldwide, though, they probably top a million.

His live sets tend to go platinum, but they're multi-disc...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Yeah, I was thinking on a global scale where he's clearly passed the million mark often lately. Should be noted though that his solo career has done far, far better in the United States than it has in the UK or most anywhere else. I think it's because, like a lot of other big acts, he plays all over this country due to the large amount of people/money there is to be had here. In the UK, his albums just kind of meet with a shrug and tend to fall off the charts quickly.

I'd expect the opposite for The Beach Boys though. In the UK, people listen to a wider array of music and understand the importance of this band. In the US, the idea of rock is so dominated by "RAWK!" that pretty much everything that isn't loud gets ignored (just turn on your local modern rock station to see what I mean). Granted, we have a lot of older baby boomers Stateside that are into the band's early surf stuff, but it's just weird how much easier it is to flip through the dial and hear AC/DC or Aerosmith in the United States than it is to hear The Beach Boys or Beatles.




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Every unit in a multidisc set is counted as long as it is a certain length. So the Smile box does count as five units per set sold.

Seven units, actually.  ;D


Ah, you're right. Counting it as seven thanks to the two vinyl set for the album is the correct way to go about it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 28, 2012, 01:29:21 PM
Just so everyone knows - you currently need to sell 500,000 units to earn a RIAA gold record certification.


Look whatever the country by country breakdown turns out to be, I am thinking more in terms of
worldwide sales, because the Beach Boys have fans all over the world, like Britain for example,where
they me be more respected than in the states.

I realize it's half a million for gold and a million for platinum, but there must be some sort of gold or platinum
status based on the world wide sales totals also,

Anyway main point, the country,music world and both the entertainment and regular media are giving
huge attention to the Beach Boys celebration, reunion, and that bodes very well for sales and critical acclaim
when you consider the heartbreaking and joyous   circumstances, the loss of Carl and Dennis Wilson, the ressurrection
of Brian Wilson, the drive and desire of Brian Mike and Al, and Bruce and David, the media saturation, combined
with this large scale tour, promoting themselves on Letterman, CNN, Leno, and the other shows, the radio programmers
who really want to give them a break, if the album delivers the real goods, and they push a single hard, hopefully
with a vieo that can go viral.  Remember my example of Springsteen and how two back to back covers on Time and Newsweek
launched him into the stratosphere,  along with a good new album. THis is not just another album by Brian or the B Boys
this is a historic thing, this is a once in a lifetime, and they have all the muscle at Capitol behnid them, they are poised
everything, all the stars are right, if the album really delivers, people will be slapping them on he back and saying
so what have you guys been up to!, This is their moment, all their people, supporting staff, musicians, label, managers
people working radio, everybody has to go all out, this is their big shot. for commercial and critical ressurection.



Look they don;t need half a million sales to be vindicated commercially or artistically. This is their year, just so long
as Brian delivers a good album.  Brians band many be technically better, but that Beach Boys blend with Wilsons
vocal arrangements has the chemistry, and wisely they are using some of Wilson's guys and Mike's guys aren't bad
either, that Cowsill drummer seems to have a good feel, hard to tell from just the remake, but if he is a Cowsill he
probably well understands the chemistry of a vocal group and family group..



Any word on new titles or overdubs or freshly written songs, or anything informative


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 28, 2012, 05:59:59 PM
Look they don;t need half a million sales to be vindicated commercially or artistically. This is their year, just so long
as Brian delivers a good album.  Brians band many be technically better, but that Beach Boys blend with Wilsons
vocal arrangements has the chemistry, and wisely they are using some of Wilson's guys and Mike's guys aren't bad
either, that Cowsill drummer seems to have a good feel, hard to tell from just the remake, but if he is a Cowsill he
probably well understands the chemistry of a vocal group and family group..

The band line-up is actually what's convinced me that everything's being done right - because Cowsill and Totten are the two people from Mike and Bruce's band that I'd have chosen to join Brian's band. John Cowsill will *amaze* you - he's easily the best drummer any Beach Boys related act has had, as well as being a phenomenal vocalist. Watch the video of the Grammys if you can find it anywhere online now, and just look at his interplay with Nelson Bragg, and remember that while he knows the song, that's the first time he'd played in public with that band.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on February 28, 2012, 07:31:03 PM
Yes I've really enjoyed Cowsill's work as of late.  He's got a powerful sound and I think it's a great match for the band.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: jackstar74 on February 28, 2012, 08:10:50 PM
Look they don;t need half a million sales to be vindicated commercially or artistically. This is their year, just so long
as Brian delivers a good album.  Brians band many be technically better, but that Beach Boys blend with Wilsons
vocal arrangements has the chemistry, and wisely they are using some of Wilson's guys and Mike's guys aren't bad
either, that Cowsill drummer seems to have a good feel, hard to tell from just the remake, but if he is a Cowsill he
probably well understands the chemistry of a vocal group and family group..

The band line-up is actually what's convinced me that everything's being done right - because Cowsill and Totten are the two people from Mike and Bruce's band that I'd have chosen to join Brian's band. John Cowsill will *amaze* you - he's easily the best drummer any Beach Boys related act has had, as well as being a phenomenal vocalist. Watch the video of the Grammys if you can find it anywhere online now, and just look at his interplay with Nelson Bragg, and remember that while he knows the song, that's the first time he'd played in public with that band.

As good as Cowsill is....the distinction of the best drummer any Beach Boys related act easily goes to Todd Sucherman


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Fall Breaks on February 29, 2012, 03:08:11 AM
So how many sells would it take to make a #1 on the singles charts?

What I'm getting at is that us hardcore fans in a coordinated effort maybe could create a hit, although maybe not a #1, for them by buying multiple downloads of the same song during the same week. Would that be realistic?

Singles are different, I think ... people do buy them in relatively large numbers as downloads. We'd probably have more impact as a coordinated album buying (both physical and digital) campaign.
Good point. Unfortunately more expensive to carry out.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on February 29, 2012, 04:24:28 AM
I've only seen some videos of Cowsill singing, but it wasn't that impressive. As a drummer though he's great


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 29, 2012, 05:14:28 AM
I've only seen some videos of Cowsill singing, but it wasn't that impressive. As a drummer though he's great


Well the thing about that, his name is Cowsill, so I presume, based on his apparent age, and appearance, he is
one of the "Cowsill" family. Which of course was a very successful sixties family band, which is what the Partridge Family
TV show was based on. if he is indeed from that clan, he is well used to hit records, going on the road, knowing how
to fit in, a backround in supporting melodic songs with the drums, the dynamics of a family band ala Wilson=Love
he is familiar with the great sixties music in general particularly melodic pop, and music wise, even though I just
saw the one song, he seemed to be a good fit, and he seemed to get along , the guys seemed comfortable around him.
Just a lot of small advantages that could be useful.
'

Oftentimes when a band who grew up together or is related loses a member, when they seek a replacement, they
seek someone with the chemistry to fit in. plus his chops and fills and tasty playing seemed Right

Now of course if he is not one of the Cowsills or their nephew or something I am really wiping the egg off my face,

Except for Foskett who seems to behave like a suspicious off duty policeman, all the guys I've met from Wilson's band
seem like sharp, but easy going mellow people I hope one of them leaks a song title or some information soon.

There are so many engineers, singers, musicians, publicists, family members, friends, working on this album, it may be
like a movie and even people who play on the album,have no idea what the whole picture looks like, There may not be one
engineer or drummer or bass player who has worked on the whole album and can offer a picture of what its like. I always get
nervous when the Beach Boys say they are akin an album that cant be explained or understood, until they edit it all
togethe! Yikes!

Just Kidding, we should get some more news soon on how much progress they have made in the studio, how many songs are done
some more song titles an overall description of what it sounds like, how many tracks on the album, whats the first single
who played on the album. Besides the Beach boys and Foster did anyone else sing on anything (god I hope not) Who played
did any of the living wrecking crew members pop in and play on a song. More info on the ending song suite medley. Are they filming
the recording sessions so we can see a highlight film.are they recording on tape at all, and then dumping it into protools
or are they going directly to protools from the beginning. Will there be any bonus tracks. Will Carl Wilson be featured on just
the one Al Jardine song, or is it likely Carl Wilson could be on two songs. Do they have anything groovy in mind for the artwork
Frank Holmes redux, standard Capitol art department. Any chance they'll go to Jardines remote Northern Cal retreat and do some vocals
up there to stay away from prying eyes. Do the guys take dinner break together. Do they have their own private lounges at Oceanway, do
they work like a easy noon to six kind of deal and call it, leave the engineer to do the tedious work, or do they go in there and do 12 hour
days,

Other than that, I don't have any questions till next week.




Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on February 29, 2012, 05:23:26 AM
Look they don;t need half a million sales to be vindicated commercially or artistically. This is their year, just so long
as Brian delivers a good album.  Brians band many be technically better, but that Beach Boys blend with Wilsons
vocal arrangements has the chemistry, and wisely they are using some of Wilson's guys and Mike's guys aren't bad
either, that Cowsill drummer seems to have a good feel, hard to tell from just the remake, but if he is a Cowsill he
probably well understands the chemistry of a vocal group and family group..

The band line-up is actually what's convinced me that everything's being done right - because Cowsill and Totten are the two people from Mike and Bruce's band that I'd have chosen to join Brian's band. John Cowsill will *amaze* you - he's easily the best drummer any Beach Boys related act has had, as well as being a phenomenal vocalist. Watch the video of the Grammys if you can find it anywhere online now, and just look at his interplay with Nelson Bragg, and remember that while he knows the song, that's the first time he'd played in public with that band.

As good as Cowsill is....the distinction of the best drummer any Beach Boys related act easily goes to Todd Sucherman

Correct!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on February 29, 2012, 05:35:47 AM
Well the thing about that, his name is Cowsill, so I presume, based on his apparent age, and appearance, he is
one of the "Cowsill" family.
He is.  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jaspy on February 29, 2012, 05:42:59 AM
Maybe they'll finish Can't Wait Too Long [Been Way Too Long] for the record!

That would be a great thing for the BB to do.
Brian spent so much time in 1966/67/68 creating excellent backing tracks and then, what a shame, they just didnt' finish the vocals!
Would love, love, love the hear this song completed.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on February 29, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
Look they don;t need half a million sales to be vindicated commercially or artistically. This is their year, just so long
as Brian delivers a good album.  Brians band many be technically better, but that Beach Boys blend with Wilsons
vocal arrangements has the chemistry, and wisely they are using some of Wilson's guys and Mike's guys aren't bad
either, that Cowsill drummer seems to have a good feel, hard to tell from just the remake, but if he is a Cowsill he
probably well understands the chemistry of a vocal group and family group..

The band line-up is actually what's convinced me that everything's being done right - because Cowsill and Totten are the two people from Mike and Bruce's band that I'd have chosen to join Brian's band. John Cowsill will *amaze* you - he's easily the best drummer any Beach Boys related act has had, as well as being a phenomenal vocalist. Watch the video of the Grammys if you can find it anywhere online now, and just look at his interplay with Nelson Bragg, and remember that while he knows the song, that's the first time he'd played in public with that band.

As good as Cowsill is....the distinction of the best drummer any Beach Boys related act easily goes to Todd Sucherman


I've never seen Sucherman play live, only heard him on recordings with BW's band, but based on those I'd say he might be a more technically precise drummer but he doesn't have Cowsill's feel for the music.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on February 29, 2012, 12:15:56 PM
Well the thing about that, his name is Cowsill, so I presume, based on his apparent age, and appearance, he is
one of the "Cowsill" family.
He is.  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s6Pq4xcwHo

This is the best John Cowsill vocal performance! singing Folsom Prison Blues as a fresh-faced kid who probably never even jaywalked.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: donald on February 29, 2012, 01:50:42 PM
I've seen John Cowsill play with Mike's band a couple of times.  Reminds me of DW.  That makes him perfect for the reunion.  There are any number of highly talented drummers out there.  Believe me, this guy "fits".


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on February 29, 2012, 03:20:10 PM
The album is likely going to be a bit rushed, let's be honest. It will be too hard for them to finish it during the tour and they'd also like the fans to either hear it before the shows or buy the album because they attended the tour. That means that they kind of have an enforced deadline which means we might get some weaker songs or parts of songs that probably would have been thrown our or changed with just a few more months in the studio.

On the other hand, we know that the preparation and songwriting has been going on for awhile and that there's at least a half dozen songs they're happy enough to have already committed to/finished. That's a great sign.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wylson on February 29, 2012, 03:53:43 PM
I've seen John Cowsill play with Mike's band a couple of times.  Reminds me of DW.  That makes him perfect for the reunion.  There are any number of highly talented drummers out there.  Believe me, this guy "fits".

Absolutely agree. Best man for the job. Great drummer, great singer, great musical heritage, great presence, great hair.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on February 29, 2012, 03:58:20 PM
The album is likely going to be a bit rushed, let's be honest. It will be too hard for them to finish it during the tour and they'd also like the fans to either hear it before the shows or buy the album because they attended the tour. That means that they kind of have an enforced deadline which means we might get some weaker songs or parts of songs that probably would have been thrown our or changed with just a few more months in the studio.

On the other hand, we know that the preparation and songwriting has been going on for awhile and that there's at least a half dozen songs they're happy enough to have already committed to/finished. That's a great sign.

It won't be rushed at all. Or rather, Brian does not spend that long recording albums anymore, and hasn't since Imagination.

Brian and his band recorded the tracks to That Lucky Old Sun in two days. Most of BWPS was recorded in three days. Even a project like BWRG was mainly recorded in a week or two, with work on vocals taking a month or two more.

We know that Brian was recording backing tracks at various points last year (with Joe Thomas and Jeff). The Beach Boys started recording vocals in May (the DiA session) and IIRC reconvened in the studio in November-December. They were recording last month and this month, and plan more work in March.

That means that, overall, Brian will have spent the better part of a year assembling tracks and the group will have had some five months to put down vocals.

I can see things getting tight if they want the album out in April, but I doubt that will happen. My guess is it comes out in May or June, which gives the production folks a couple of months to mix and promote the project.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on February 29, 2012, 04:56:05 PM
If you check Andrew's site you will see how fast they got Carl and the Passions "So Tough" finished and released. April 18th was the last session for Make It Good and the album was released on May 15th. Less than a month. An April release date for the new album with sessions ending in March isn't too far fetched.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on February 29, 2012, 04:59:15 PM
And if you want to play it that way, Pet Sounds was recorded in a few months. Certainly nothing longer than what's going on here. And the combination of BW's multi-instrumentalist band and modern recording tech means overdubs for a more layered production can happen even quicker than they might have done in days gone by.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on February 29, 2012, 05:07:54 PM
And if you want to play it that way, Pet Sounds was recorded in a few months. Certainly nothing longer than what's going on here. And the combination of BW's multi-instrumentalist band and modern recording tech means overdubs for a more layered production can happen even quicker than they might have done in days gone by.



Some sort of vague deadline, is perhaps even helpful. Focus to get it done. Not the ridiculous pressure of the sixties, turn it in by Wednesday
to get it on the radio Thursday, and the stores the following Monday.

From the description of sessions and schedules explained  here, it seems they have had plenty of time. Furthermore as an older man Wilson
can't do the 17 hour day everyday focus that helped lead to his breakdown years and years ago.


Rushed would be making them do the whole album in a month. Many of the great albums of all time were done in 1-5 months.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on February 29, 2012, 08:38:59 PM
If you check Andrew's site you will see how fast they got Carl and the Passions "So Tough" finished and released. April 18th was the last session for Make It Good and the album was released on May 15th. Less than a month. An April release date for the new album with sessions ending in March isn't too far fetched.

Hmmmm...maybe that's why it was only 8 tracks long...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 29, 2012, 09:05:33 PM
If you check Andrew's site you will see how fast they got Carl and the Passions "So Tough" finished and released. April 18th was the last session for Make It Good and the album was released on May 15th. Less than a month. An April release date for the new album with sessions ending in March isn't too far fetched.

Hmmmm...maybe that's why it was only 8 tracks long...

Or maybe they just wanted to save 10 Years of Harmony for a special occasion.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on February 29, 2012, 11:14:47 PM
The album is likely going to be a bit rushed, let's be honest.

Why ?  Has anyone been touring recently ? Nope. Do we know if they've been in the studio or not ? Yes. Was Brian recording tracks back last summer ? Yes.

You any kin to Phil Cohen ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on February 29, 2012, 11:18:53 PM
The album is likely going to be a bit rushed, let's be honest.

Why ?  Has anyone been touring recently ? Nope. Do we know if they've been in the studio or not ? Yes. Was Brian recording tracks back last summer ? Yes.

You any kin to Phil Cohen ?

I think Phil's last night might actually be Thornhill


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 01, 2012, 04:19:54 AM
If you check Andrew's site you will see how fast they got Carl and the Passions "So Tough" finished and released. April 18th was the last session for Make It Good and the album was released on May 15th. Less than a month. An April release date for the new album with sessions ending in March isn't too far fetched.

Hmmmm...maybe that's why it was only 8 tracks long...
8 tracks is not the point. They could have taken a year or one month to record all of the tracks (they had sessions for more than 8 tracks), but It is the fact that it only took less than a month to release it since the final session.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 02, 2012, 02:06:43 AM
The album is likely going to be a bit rushed, let's be honest.

Why ?  Has anyone been touring recently ? Nope. Do we know if they've been in the studio or not ? Yes. Was Brian recording tracks back last summer ? Yes.

You any kin to Phil Cohen ?

I think Phil's last night might actually be Thornhill


I don't know what Thornhill is, is that a venue or TV show?

I guess even Mr Contrarian Phil Cohen doesn't dispute this new album is real, thank God.

I find that time passes very slowly while this new album is pending, a day without fresh news from the studio feels
like two weeks! I find myself muttering while I patter around the living room and kitchen, "well we should get news on the lead
single any day now"

It's funny how myopic people like me can be. First against million to one odds in Vegas, we get both a deluxe SmiLe sessions and
a new album, tour and DVD, future archival releases, rumors that the new album is top notch, and the only thing I can say is, God
I wish they would hurry up and release another video.

I don't have any feel for what the album sounds like based on the DIA remake, I tend to believe hearing one of the new tracks
will give us a much clearer idea what the actual album sounds like.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 02, 2012, 11:06:05 AM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it? no one. don't get your hopes up. It's not like Mike would say in an interview, "yeah, there's a few good moments on here but nothing essential. we just don't have it the way we used to. track 5 is absolutely horrible."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 02, 2012, 12:53:53 PM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it?

Well, who else would know at this point?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Puggal on March 02, 2012, 01:18:39 PM
I really hope "Do it Again" is not included; I think remaking old hits is one of the most shamelessly lazy things a music group can do.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 02, 2012, 01:35:57 PM
I wouldn't mind hearing a little snippet at least of a new song, just to affirm that it's going to sound good, hopefully.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 02, 2012, 02:02:54 PM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it?

Well, who else would know at this point?

but again, it would be pretty dumb of them to say anything but good things about it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 02, 2012, 04:35:07 PM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it? no one. don't get your hopes up.

Who *ever* says an album is good besides the people working on it? Ben Clayton from Montana hasn't heard the fuckin' thing, thus I don't expect to hear his opinion on it any time soon and if I did, I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

It's not even half-finished at this point, so I doubt anyone from the press has heard anything. So... what, then?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 02, 2012, 05:18:42 PM
It's not even half-finished at this point, so I doubt anyone from the press has heard anything. So... what, then?

Your source on that would be?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 02, 2012, 06:03:05 PM
I really hope "Do it Again" is not included; I think remaking old hits is one of the most shamelessly lazy things a music group can do.


Just a thought on DIA. It has been made to market the band for promoters.

It serves the purpose of showing the band at work and what this NEW line-up can sound like.

It is a commercial.





Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 02, 2012, 07:34:28 PM
It's not even half-finished at this point, so I doubt anyone from the press has heard anything. So... what, then?

Your source on that would be?

Isn't that basically what Mike said a week or two ago?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 02, 2012, 07:38:19 PM
It's not even half-finished at this point, so I doubt anyone from the press has heard anything. So... what, then?

Your source on that would be?

Isn't that basically what Mike said a week or two ago?

He might have been talking about vocals. Given the mechanics of everything going on, it seems plausible that the vast majority of the album is already written and instrumental tracks cut. We do know Brian was recording tracks last summer with Joe and Jeff, and writing with them too. It also seems like a lot of that material is being used for this record.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 02, 2012, 07:58:26 PM
It's not even half-finished at this point, so I doubt anyone from the press has heard anything. So... what, then?

Your source on that would be?

Isn't that basically what Mike said a week or two ago?


A Lot can happen in a week or two. Presuming that the news leaks aren't already
a couple weeks or months behind, what is actually happening.

In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if when they say something to the press,
its a little out of date already, that they are really somewhat further advanced than
they let on. I base that on reports there were sessions happening nearly a year or
9 months ago.

As to DIA being a good commercial, I agree, I don't think that means it won't be on the
album though. I think that depends on how much material is in the can, and how it sounds
next to the other songs. If it doesn't fit, I would expect it to be some sort of bonus track
if on the other hand, it seems to flow with the album, I would expect it to be on there, unless
they have several extra songs in the can.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 03, 2012, 12:31:25 AM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it?

Well, who else would know at this point?

 ::)





















OK, just messin' wit yo heads...  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Alan Smith on March 03, 2012, 12:50:41 AM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it?

Well, who else would know at this point?

 ::)





















OK, just messin' wit yo heads...  ;D

MoFo  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 03, 2012, 02:12:12 PM
Sure would love to hear a clip of song Mike and Al have been raving about.
C'mon throw us a bone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 03, 2012, 06:41:25 PM
who's saying the album is good besides the people working on it?

Well, who else would know at this point?

 ::)





















OK, just messin' wit yo heads...  ;D

:lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 03, 2012, 08:40:55 PM
The "half-finished" comment really had next to nothing to do with the rest of my post, guys :'( no need to over-analyze or anythang.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 03, 2012, 09:32:04 PM
The "half-finished" comment really had next to nothing to do with the rest of my post, guys :'( no need to over-analyze or anythang.

But we don't have anything else to do!!!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 04, 2012, 01:53:05 AM
I'm rather surprised by just how many copies some posters think this is going to shift. 50,000 units worldwide is optimistic.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 04, 2012, 03:15:23 AM
I'm rather surprised by just how many copies some posters think this is going to shift. 50,000 units worldwide is optimistic.


That's crazy. Certainly you just say that to get a rise out of people.

Music sales are way way down, and the Beach Boys have been declining for decades.
However, this is a monumental occasion. The 50Th anniversary and the swan song or
final album, from one of the five or ten most significant acts in the history of the rock era.

All the surviving original members singing together, a huge tour. a live DVD to follow.
The label seems to be fully behind the project, with whatever muscle they can still project
in a pinch. For historic Capitol records, this is a prestige project, and it should make some
much needed money as well. It should also shine a light on the back catalogue for increased
sales there as well.


We don't yet know how many versions of the new album will be available, just the standard version
or will there be a deluxe version, or signed limited editions. Bonus tracks for Itunes or Best buy
or a double album version at double the price.


If they deliver with a good album, say something as good as That Lucky Old Sun, but with the Beach Boy
blend   instead of that well meaning but saccharine sounding solo group. (no offense to them)

This is the real undiluted deal man, this is the Owsley bomb, the Occam's razor, the Mt Everest of living classic
rock bands... These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

This is them, they even have Carl Wilson in the can to make a vocal appearance on one or two songs.  This is the four
way window pane of your musical soul.


Cream won't do it. The Beatles can't. The WHO can't and Won't. Hendrix is dead, so is Jim Morrison, so is Janis Joplin
Pink Floyd, could possibly do it, but they have refused. The Stones seemed to have uttered their last.As a group.


This album soon to be before you is the last of an extinct breed, one of the great iconic, hallowed bands of the sixties man.
The last album from survivors of the Happy revolution. Vietnam, Nixon, Woodstock a man on the moon, and who really killed
Kennedy...


This is it. If the album delivers, the sky is the limit, even with on line piracy, changing musical tastes, ageing vocal chords
Brian Wilson's fried brain and resorting to archival material to get Carl Wilson on the album.


This is not just another album. This is the last of its kind, and it is getting the full Monty treatment
from the record label, the faithful, a world tour. and supposedly some songs that will bring a tear
to our eyes and remember when.

Wouldn't you have liked to seen Sandy Koufax throw that last game, or Babe Ruth hit those
three homers when he was nearly through.. They still revere Abbey Road the last Beatles album
I think it sold two or three million downloads and remasters that one, 45 years after it came out.


Because of all things considered, the piracy, the changing types of music, their age, I say one to two
million world wide, in its initial run, unless they get lucky and catch a tailwind

If the album can fairly be described as Pet Sounds 2, or even just a great album, then the sky
is the limit, if they get lucky they could sell five million, depends on the single, how hard the label pushes
how many ads they buy on TV, radio and print, and on line,

They are getting tons of free advertising from the largest news and music publications on the planet.


A lot of people thought Mike Tyson was gonna knock out Buster Douglas too, but they weren't paying attention
to the fights before that one.


This album should do very very well, unless it stinks or the promotion people are bad at their jobs,
this  should go through the roof with hard work, experience, and the sentimental vote


1-2 million first year . more if they get lucky, much less if the album is a disappointment.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 04, 2012, 03:26:34 AM
These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

I beg to differ.  ::)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 04, 2012, 04:02:58 AM
These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

I beg to differ.  ::)

[bWhat do you Mean Andrew? Because some of them have died?

Hal Blaine is 83, Carl Wilson is dead, Brian Wilson took lots of drugs, nothing can be done
about those things.

What do you mean? it can't be the same because its 40 odd years later?




It's as much the same as is possible, with  deaths, old age, and the passage of half a century.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 04, 2012, 04:12:08 AM
These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

I beg to differ.  ::)


[bWhat do you Mean Andrew? Because some of them have died?

Hal Blaine is 83, Carl Wilson is dead, Brian Wilson took lots of drugs, nothing can be done
about those things.

What do you mean? it can't be the same because its 40 odd years later?




It's as much the same as is possible, with  deaths, old age, and the passage of half a century.

Being picky - Bruce wasn't on Today !, David wasn't on any of them.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 04, 2012, 04:23:07 AM
These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

I beg to differ.  ::)


[bWhat do you Mean Andrew? Because some of them have died?

Hal Blaine is 83, Carl Wilson is dead, Brian Wilson took lots of drugs, nothing can be done
about those things.

What do you mean? it can't be the same because its 40 odd years later?




It's as much the same as is possible, with  deaths, old age, and the passage of half a century.

Being picky - Bruce wasn't on Today !, David wasn't on any of them.


Oh I see


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Sam_BFC on March 04, 2012, 05:13:21 AM
Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on March 04, 2012, 05:29:42 AM

That's crazy. Certainly you just say that to get a rise out of people.

Music sales are way way down, and the Beach Boys have been declining for decades.
However, this is a monumental occasion. The 50Th anniversary and the swan song or
final album, from one of the five or ten most significant acts in the history of the rock era.

All the surviving original members singing together, a huge tour. a live DVD to follow.
The label seems to be fully behind the project, with whatever muscle they can still project
in a pinch. For historic Capitol records, this is a prestige project, and it should make some
much needed money as well. It should also shine a light on the back catalogue for increased
sales there as well.


We don't yet know how many versions of the new album will be available, just the standard version
or will there be a deluxe version, or signed limited editions. Bonus tracks for Itunes or Best buy
or a double album version at double the price.


If they deliver with a good album, say something as good as That Lucky Old Sun, but with the Beach Boy
blend   instead of that well meaning but saccharine sounding solo group. (no offense to them)

This is the real undiluted deal man, this is the Owsley bomb, the Occam's razor, the Mt Everest of living classic
rock bands... These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

This is them, they even have Carl Wilson in the can to make a vocal appearance on one or two songs.  This is the four
way window pane of your musical soul.


Cream won't do it. The Beatles can't. The WHO can't and Won't. Hendrix is dead, so is Jim Morrison, so is Janis Joplin
Pink Floyd, could possibly do it, but they have refused. The Stones seemed to have uttered their last.As a group.


This album soon to be before you is the last of an extinct breed, one of the great iconic, hallowed bands of the sixties man.
The last album from survivors of the Happy revolution. Vietnam, Nixon, Woodstock a man on the moon, and who really killed
Kennedy...


This is it. If the album delivers, the sky is the limit, even with on line piracy, changing musical tastes, ageing vocal chords
Brian Wilson's fried brain and resorting to archival material to get Carl Wilson on the album.


This is not just another album. This is the last of its kind, and it is getting the full Monty treatment
from the record label, the faithful, a world tour. and supposedly some songs that will bring a tear
to our eyes and remember when.

Wouldn't you have liked to seen Sandy Koufax throw that last game, or Babe Ruth hit those
three homers when he was nearly through.. They still revere Abbey Road the last Beatles album
I think it sold two or three million downloads and remasters that one, 45 years after it came out.


Because of all things considered, the piracy, the changing types of music, their age, I say one to two
million world wide, in its initial run, unless they get lucky and catch a tailwind

If the album can fairly be described as Pet Sounds 2, or even just a great album, then the sky
is the limit, if they get lucky they could sell five million, depends on the single, how hard the label pushes
how many ads they buy on TV, radio and print, and on line,

They are getting tons of free advertising from the largest news and music publications on the planet.


A lot of people thought Mike Tyson was gonna knock out Buster Douglas too, but they weren't paying attention
to the fights before that one.


This album should do very very well, unless it stinks or the promotion people are bad at their jobs,
this  should go through the roof with hard work, experience, and the sentimental vote


1-2 million first year . more if they get lucky, much less if the album is a disappointment.


vintagemusic is the anti-PhilCohen!  ;)



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SonoraDick on March 04, 2012, 06:51:25 AM

That's crazy. Certainly you just say that to get a rise out of people.

Music sales are way way down, and the Beach Boys have been declining for decades.
However, this is a monumental occasion. The 50Th anniversary and the swan song or
final album, from one of the five or ten most significant acts in the history of the rock era.

All the surviving original members singing together, a huge tour. a live DVD to follow.
The label seems to be fully behind the project, with whatever muscle they can still project
in a pinch. For historic Capitol records, this is a prestige project, and it should make some
much needed money as well. It should also shine a light on the back catalogue for increased
sales there as well.


We don't yet know how many versions of the new album will be available, just the standard version
or will there be a deluxe version, or signed limited editions. Bonus tracks for Itunes or Best buy
or a double album version at double the price.


If they deliver with a good album, say something as good as That Lucky Old Sun, but with the Beach Boy
blend   instead of that well meaning but saccharine sounding solo group. (no offense to them)

This is the real undiluted deal man, this is the Owsley bomb, the Occam's razor, the Mt Everest of living classic
rock bands... These are the very same people who did, Good Vibrations, Pet Sounds, SmiLe, Today, and Summer Days.

This is them, they even have Carl Wilson in the can to make a vocal appearance on one or two songs.  This is the four
way window pane of your musical soul.


Cream won't do it. The Beatles can't. The WHO can't and Won't. Hendrix is dead, so is Jim Morrison, so is Janis Joplin
Pink Floyd, could possibly do it, but they have refused. The Stones seemed to have uttered their last.As a group.


This album soon to be before you is the last of an extinct breed, one of the great iconic, hallowed bands of the sixties man.
The last album from survivors of the Happy revolution. Vietnam, Nixon, Woodstock a man on the moon, and who really killed
Kennedy...


This is it. If the album delivers, the sky is the limit, even with on line piracy, changing musical tastes, ageing vocal chords
Brian Wilson's fried brain and resorting to archival material to get Carl Wilson on the album.


This is not just another album. This is the last of its kind, and it is getting the full Monty treatment
from the record label, the faithful, a world tour. and supposedly some songs that will bring a tear
to our eyes and remember when.

Wouldn't you have liked to seen Sandy Koufax throw that last game, or Babe Ruth hit those
three homers when he was nearly through.. They still revere Abbey Road the last Beatles album
I think it sold two or three million downloads and remasters that one, 45 years after it came out.


Because of all things considered, the piracy, the changing types of music, their age, I say one to two
million world wide, in its initial run, unless they get lucky and catch a tailwind

If the album can fairly be described as Pet Sounds 2, or even just a great album, then the sky
is the limit, if they get lucky they could sell five million, depends on the single, how hard the label pushes
how many ads they buy on TV, radio and print, and on line,

They are getting tons of free advertising from the largest news and music publications on the planet.


A lot of people thought Mike Tyson was gonna knock out Buster Douglas too, but they weren't paying attention
to the fights before that one.


This album should do very very well, unless it stinks or the promotion people are bad at their jobs,
this  should go through the roof with hard work, experience, and the sentimental vote


1-2 million first year . more if they get lucky, much less if the album is a disappointment.


vintagemusic is the anti-PhilCohen!  ;)


Not that there's anything wrong with that!    :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on March 04, 2012, 07:03:17 AM


vintagemusic is the anti-PhilCohen!  ;)


Not that there's anything wrong with that!    :)

Didn't say there was.   :-D
 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 04, 2012, 09:30:49 AM
Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 04, 2012, 09:31:41 AM
vintagemusic, no disrespect meant but if you really think the reunion album is going to sell between 1-5 million copies then you have no grip on the music industry in this day and age. 50,000 copies on initial release is much more likely. Check how much The Smile Sessions sold.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 04, 2012, 03:38:07 PM
Screw the number of sales.

Any album of songs with a 'Lucky', 'Postcard' etc theme with even a hint of 'Pet Sounds' could be a better 'final' work  than the country album that holds that (cough) honor at present.

Respectable numbers moved will be an added bonus but not the most important for this fan.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 04, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
vintagemusic, no disrespect meant but if you really think the reunion album is going to sell between 1-5 million copies then you have no grip on the music industry in this day and age. 50,000 copies on initial release is much more likely. Check how much The Smile Sessions sold.

While it's tough to predict sales, I would be wary of using TSS as any sort of benchmark. It was a seven disc archival release aimed at a specific group of fans -- and even then it outperformed expectations.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 05, 2012, 01:57:53 AM
Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 05, 2012, 04:21:28 AM
Stevie Nicks' The Soundstage Sessions in 2009, I think. #47 on Billboard.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 05, 2012, 04:35:16 AM
Many thanks Andrew.

Guradian review:

When a performer needs an album more than the listener, you know you're in for trouble. As Fleetwood Mac embark on the latest of their reincarnations with a 43-date tour across America and Canada and with plans to return to the studio later this year, Nicks pops her own money spinner on the merch stall. These 10 tracks recorded alongside her 2007 solo tour cover career highlights such as "Stand Back", "Sara" and "Landslide", but remain bewilderingly unchanged decades on. Even a cover of "Crash Into You" receives little interpretation from the Dave Matthews Band original. Only for diehard fans.

I hate trying to second guess how the BBs will be treated


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 05, 2012, 04:51:14 AM
Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?



Well if the  idea is to go by what Joe Thomas has produced, the project would be in trouble sales wise
Joe Thomas seems like a sharp guy, who produces rock videos on vintage groups like Stevie Nicks, and
somehow stumbled into a relationship with Brian Wilson, producing the Imagination album. Much of his work
seemed to be farmed out to Session men and arrangers, and I know of no other artist of any merit Thomas
has ever produced, in the context of a new album.

Obviously Rick Rubin, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, there are qualified producers or co producers available.

But that doesn't matter. The Beach Boys have 50 years experience in the studio, and a cast of sidemen, that
could all be producers, writers and artists in their own right.

The question is, label support, timing, and the fact that this is no ordinary album., the label has something
special to sell, the original Beach Boys, more or less, doing a real bonafide special album, for the first time
in decades. I don't know how much Joe Thomas adds in the studio, but he seems to obey cardinal rule number
one, don't F up the music, he may not add much, but he doesn't force a bunch of incompetent choices to be made.,.
if he creates a good vibe in the studio, and makes the guys feel comfortable if he offers a little centeredness, in a sea
of quirky artists fine, that's his role, not the role of Phil Spector or George Martin, but a guy who attends to things,
makes sure the string section shows up, makes sure an arranger has charts ready, then fine.


No one knows how well this will sell, no one knows what kind of job the label or promo people will do. How much
money will be spent on ads, how much word of mouth there will be from the tour and album

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album, and if the reviews say, oh this album is
special, this album transports you back to California Girls, Good Vibrations and God Only Knows., and if a great single starts
getting airplay, because Capitols promoters and indies start twisting arms, and if they buy ads, and it could go viral on the web
and , the all that free Establishment press eating up the story like candy, and Dear Carl Wilson include due to the wizardry of
magnetic tape

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened. This can go very very big, if they
play it right, if they play it hard, this can go big.


If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.


If you start seeing that kind of press, watch what happens. But they gotta have a few first class songs, that live up to the hype
and Capitol has to open their wallets, and they need to call in every favor from every journalist, DJ and promo man they can,

Just watch,. this album is a rare opportunity. We will know pretty soon. Its all up to Brian and the boys delivering, and the PR machine
if they tell people this is one of the most significant albums in a decade, people will listen, people will believe, and in part, it might even
be the truth.

If they let this album die with ordinary promotion efforts, I will be very disappointed, the American Press is practically begging for interviews
they need a first rate journalist in the studio documenting the sessions for the special to air on ABC a week before the albums release.


The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.






Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 05, 2012, 05:10:38 AM
If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.

._.
You can't really be expected McCartney and Townsend to do publicity for this, and for it to be the most significant album of the past twenty years, can you?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 05, 2012, 05:11:43 AM
But The Beatles Anthology was done in the 90's, when record sales were stronger on the whole.

The industry really doesn't pull those sort of numbers any more, or at least certainly not old bands. You could have the most sympathetic press in the world, but the Beach Boys won't pull 5 million units. I mean, that is Gaga numbers (Born This Way has shipped 8 million). Even other pop stars of the moment don't come close - Drake's latest has 'only' sold 1.5 million to date, Kanye West's latest has sold 1.2 to date, and Adele's 21, the bestselling British album of the 21st Century, has sold 4 million. Katy Perry's latest has sold 2 million, but then it was released in 2010! You expect the Beach Boys to easily surpass in initial sales what Katy Perry, who the kids actually give a crap about, has done in two years? These are insanely popular albums too. No way will the group get close. It'll sell well, I'll buy one, but they won't get close to popstar numbers.

As Undesirable Element says, screw the number of sales. It's not important, the record is what matters. Although your faith is rather nice, just unrealistic.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 05, 2012, 05:11:56 AM
Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?



Well if the  idea is to go by what Joe Thomas has produced, the project would be in trouble sales wise
Joe Thomas seems like a sharp guy, who produces rock videos on vintage groups like Stevie Nicks, and
somehow stumbled into a relationship with Brian Wilson, producing the Imagination album. Much of his work
seemed to be farmed out to Session men and arrangers, and I know of no other artist of any merit Thomas
has ever produced, in the context of a new album.

Obviously Rick Rubin, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, there are qualified producers or co producers available.

But that doesn't matter. The Beach Boys have 50 years experience in the studio, and a cast of sidemen, that
could all be producers, writers and artists in their own right.

The question is, label support, timing, and the fact that this is no ordinary album., the label has something
special to sell, the original Beach Boys, more or less, doing a real bonafide special album, for the first time
in decades. I don't know how much Joe Thomas adds in the studio, but he seems to obey cardinal rule number
one, don't F up the music, he may not add much, but he doesn't force a bunch of incompetent choices to be made.,.
if he creates a good vibe in the studio, and makes the guys feel comfortable if he offers a little centeredness, in a sea
of quirky artists fine, that's his role, not the role of Phil Spector or George Martin, but a guy who attends to things,
makes sure the string section shows up, makes sure an arranger has charts ready, then fine.


No one knows how well this will sell, no one knows what kind of job the label or promo people will do. How much
money will be spent on ads, how much word of mouth there will be from the tour and album

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album, and if the reviews say, oh this album is
special, this album transports you back to California Girls, Good Vibrations and God Only Knows., and if a great single starts
getting airplay, because Capitols promoters and indies start twisting arms, and if they buy ads, and it could go viral on the web
and , the all that free Establishment press eating up the story like candy, and Dear Carl Wilson include due to the wizardry of
magnetic tape

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened. This can go very very big, if they
play it right, if they play it hard, this can go big.


If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.


If you start seeing that kind of press, watch what happens. But they gotta have a few first class songs, that live up to the hype
and Capitol has to open their wallets, and they need to call in every favor from every journalist, DJ and promo man they can,

Just watch,. this album is a rare opportunity. We will know pretty soon. Its all up to Brian and the boys delivering, and the PR machine
if they tell people this is one of the most significant albums in a decade, people will listen, people will believe, and in part, it might even
be the truth.

If they let this album die with ordinary promotion efforts, I will be very disappointed, the American Press is practically begging for interviews
they need a first rate journalist in the studio documenting the sessions for the special to air on ABC a week before the albums release.


The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.


I note the most repeated word is "if". 'Nuff said.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 05, 2012, 05:16:02 AM
The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.

No, and you're missing the point entirely. It sold that many because it was The Beatles.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 05, 2012, 05:18:35 AM
The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.

No, and you're missing the point entirely. It sold that many because it was The Beatles.

Also, to play the RIAA's game, it was 3 double disc sets. The numbers are gonna be inflated.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on March 05, 2012, 05:37:18 AM
Neil Diamond's previous (?) album (the one produced by Rick Rubin) went to number one in both the US and UK.  I don't think it is unreasonable to hope for a similar outcome for our guys.  But does anyone have any idea of what sales were like for the Neil Diamond album?

Hmm anyone know the sales figures for the last Joe Thomas-produced project?

Anyone know what the last album Joe Thomas produced was?



Well if the  idea is to go by what Joe Thomas has produced, the project would be in trouble sales wise
Joe Thomas seems like a sharp guy, who produces rock videos on vintage groups like Stevie Nicks, and
somehow stumbled into a relationship with Brian Wilson, producing the Imagination album. Much of his work
seemed to be farmed out to Session men and arrangers, and I know of no other artist of any merit Thomas
has ever produced, in the context of a new album.

Obviously Rick Rubin, Jack White, T Bone Burnett, there are qualified producers or co producers available.

But that doesn't matter. The Beach Boys have 50 years experience in the studio, and a cast of sidemen, that
could all be producers, writers and artists in their own right.

The question is, label support, timing, and the fact that this is no ordinary album., the label has something
special to sell, the original Beach Boys, more or less, doing a real bonafide special album, for the first time
in decades. I don't know how much Joe Thomas adds in the studio, but he seems to obey cardinal rule number
one, don't F up the music, he may not add much, but he doesn't force a bunch of incompetent choices to be made.,.
if he creates a good vibe in the studio, and makes the guys feel comfortable if he offers a little centeredness, in a sea
of quirky artists fine, that's his role, not the role of Phil Spector or George Martin, but a guy who attends to things,
makes sure the string section shows up, makes sure an arranger has charts ready, then fine.


No one knows how well this will sell, no one knows what kind of job the label or promo people will do. How much
money will be spent on ads, how much word of mouth there will be from the tour and album

But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album, and if the reviews say, oh this album is
special, this album transports you back to California Girls, Good Vibrations and God Only Knows., and if a great single starts
getting airplay, because Capitols promoters and indies start twisting arms, and if they buy ads, and it could go viral on the web
and , the all that free Establishment press eating up the story like candy, and Dear Carl Wilson include due to the wizardry of
magnetic tape

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened. This can go very very big, if they
play it right, if they play it hard, this can go big.


If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.


If you start seeing that kind of press, watch what happens. But they gotta have a few first class songs, that live up to the hype
and Capitol has to open their wallets, and they need to call in every favor from every journalist, DJ and promo man they can,

Just watch,. this album is a rare opportunity. We will know pretty soon. Its all up to Brian and the boys delivering, and the PR machine
if they tell people this is one of the most significant albums in a decade, people will listen, people will believe, and in part, it might even
be the truth.

If they let this album die with ordinary promotion efforts, I will be very disappointed, the American Press is practically begging for interviews
they need a first rate journalist in the studio documenting the sessions for the special to air on ABC a week before the albums release.


The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last
final album.





Reality check please, plot lost.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 05, 2012, 05:47:23 AM
You guy's AGD, Hypehat, you all score fair points, but you are missing my greater point.
I used some hypotheticals, I consider possible, even likely, to illustrate something.

If the music is really good, the wheels are greased for it to go big, the timing, the circumstances
the plethora of major press interested in the story.

McCartney, Townshend, CNN, number of units sold is hypothetical.

But this is no ordinary album, and the label, I  believe is very much behind this
project, and the Beach Boys, I think (hope) are very much into this project.

Capitol records puts two or three in house guys behind this, hustling radio not
much will  happen, if they hire, 20 indie guys with muscle for six to eight weeks
to ram this record at radio, and really buy some nice ads on TV and the most pertinent
press journals, combined with the wonderful story of overcoming adversity, and giving
us one more trip back into the sixties.

They could do very very well. I haven't seen a classic rock album of new music poised
to do so well in a long time. The Pink Floyd and Beatles remasters were old music after all
and did very good business. I don't live in a well or a cave, I am in general terms aware
of the decline in music sales, classic rock sales, on line piracy, changes in musical taste,
the fact that the Beach Boys are not as big a name as the Beatles.


I just feel based on my observations, this is poised to do very very well.

It would make me happy, personally to see them get a lot of recognition and sales, but
I will be happy with copy of the album, especially if it knocks me out.

I assume Capitol has their "A" team on this, that independents are being hired for additional
promotion and press liaison, When we hear the single in say six or eight weeks, and if that
harkens back to God Only Knows, or California Girls or Please Let Me Wonder, I think they have
a home run, if on the other hand it sounds lame or run of the mill, maybe you're right.


I am very optimistic, but I have no inside information, and I have not heard one note of the
new music. We will all know soon enough,

I was trying as best I could to explain why I was optimistic, and why this could be viewed by
the world as a very special album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 05, 2012, 06:04:41 AM
But they have a special product here, it may be the death knell of classic sixties rock, but still this album can go
big big big, the final studio album from one of the most iconic groups of all time. A sympathetic press, dying to interview
the boys, much like the press used to interview the Beatles in the sixties, most of the groups are dead, or retired, and
here we have Brian Wilson, Mike Love and Al Jardine, and Bruce Johnston, mixing it up with the press, video clips of them
singing on a group overhead microphone in the Capitol tower, this is a red carpet nostalgia trip for baby boomers, and all
the suburban kids will hear from their parents, oh yeah, there was the Beatles, the Stones and the Beach Boys, and this
is a very special moment, little Johny, little Melissa,

If these are baby boomers talking to their kids, then the reply to that will be "Oh God, Dad's started calling me 'little Johnny' even though I'm forty-five. Better have the doctor check him out for Alzheimer's..."

Rolling Stone, Newsweek, and Time could offer front covers for this tour and album,

And my boss could tell me "don't bother to ever come into work again, I'm just going to keep paying you because I like you so much". I doubt it though.

If the single is good, and Capitol pushes really really hard, and they start getting feature stories in time and newsweek, this
is gonna be very very big, three times four times bigger than Neil Diamond with Delirious Love

That album was one of an unbroken run of Gold or Platinum albums for Diamond stretching back 36 years at the time. Every two years or so, he releases an album, and it goes at least top twenty, pretty consistently. Other than Still Cruisn' (which was a) full of old hits,  b) the album containing the band's fluke hit single Kokomo and c) twenty-three years ago itself) the Beach Boys haven't released a gold record i*in* thirty-six years. They've not had one since 15 Big Ones.

A group is more appealing, than stone faced broody Neil Diamond, there is the funny Beach Boy, the Clever Beach Boy, the spiritual
Beach Boy,

Which one's which? To the extent they have any public profile at all there's the Mentally Ill Beach Boy, the Lawsuit Beach Boy, the Anonymous Beach Boy, the Other Anonymous Beach Boy and the Other Other Anonymous Beach Boy.


If this is played right, this stands in as a surrogate album for the Beatles album that never happened.

What Beatles album that never happened?

If everybody treats it, like eh, this means nothing, then that's what will happen, if on the other hand, you turn on your evening news
and see Paul McCartney or Pete Townsend say, this reminds me of what I wish we could have done, if your local CNN or ABC Broadcaster
looks dead into the camera and says, Ladies and Gentleman, the unbelievable has happened, The Beach Boys have recreated the time
and mood of so long ago with a brilliant new album, being raved about from wall street to London, this may be the most significant rock
album of the last twenty years.

That simply isn't going to happen.

The Beatles anthology sold around 20 million units on the strength of two new songs, and some film clips, there was no new, last final album.

Two new songs, some film clips, six CDs of outtakes, an eight-hour long TV series broadcast on prime-time network TV worldwide over the Christmas period, it being the first new releases by the most successful band in history in twenty-five years, a renewed wave of interest in the Beatles even before the reunion, and *THEM BEING THE BEATLES*.

Look, it's nice to fantasise, we all know that. But *best* case scenario goes as follows:

The new album is as good as That Lucky Old Sun or the better material from Gettin' In Over My Head. It gets solid four-star reviews in most broadsheet newspapers and in Mojo. Maybe there are a few interviews in the Guardian Weekend section or USian equivalent. The music magazines aimed at younger people either give it five stars or one star based entirely on the prejudices of the writer in question. The single gets no airplay at all on US radio because it doesn't fit any formats, but gets mild rotation on Radio 2 in the UK. The album goes top ten for a week or two based mostly on the tour.

That's *best*-case, seriously, for this album.

The general public doesn't care any more about the Beach Boys' reunion than about, say, the Monkees reunion last year -- possibly less, because there hadn't been a band calling itself the Monkees touring in the intervening time, and people actually know the names of the individual Monkees. The boomer audience in general isn't particularly interested in new music by the musicians they love, and mostly gave up on the Beach Boys around Pet Sounds.

And that's *if* they manage a half-decent album. I think it's promising, based on Brian's recent form, but I know people -- people who know and love the best of the BBs' music -- who find the idea risible. The last time they released a half-decent album was LA (Light Album). The last time they released something *good* - Love You - was before I was born.

I get that you're excited, but popular culture has moved on. Even if the Beach Boys release the best album of their career, it will matter to the general public about as much as if Benny Goodman had released the album of his career in the 1970s.

You're setting yourself up for a massive, massive disappointment. If it goes as I've described, I'll be ecstatic, frankly, while you'll be horrified. Think about this rationally, and realign your expectations with what is possible.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 05, 2012, 08:23:56 AM
You could be right friend. After all, this place is a forum for some of the biggest Beach Boys fans
and supporters on the planet, and if people here don't even believe the new album can go gold
and platinum what chance is there?


Who would have thought 85 year old Tony Bennett would have recently scored his first number
one on the Billboard charts ever! 85 years old!

It's gotta be a lot harder to sell the great Tony Bennett at age 85 all the way to number one, than
to pitch the Iconic Beach Boys up near the top.

Baby boomers children are not all 45 years old, millions of baby boomer children are still teens
or young adults, my own included. I'm not too far past 45 myself. Further than I'd like.

There is a special chance here, careers ebb and flow, not every great act is on top all the time, there
are many examples of great artists, singers, actors, who achieve great success go through a dry period
and end up on top again..

I won't be disappointed either way, for me the music counts, if I enjoy the work they did on the album
that will be satisfying. But I admit I would like to see them score one for the classic rock team.

Another thing that makes it more than possible is the lack of good competition, there were a lot of
good songs on the radio in 1965 or even 1975 or maybe even 1985, there aren't that many now, and
if the boys get some airplay and exposure with a great song, I am confident they can be successful, I have
already stated my reasons. I don't need to keep rebutting, or explaining, we will all know soon enough

Meanwhile when can we get some more fresh news on whats happening with the progress of the album
in the studio.

Remember many millions of us classic rock lovers are still here, you see sales in the many millions on some of
these re issues. We don't have a lot of albums we want to buy in these tough economic times. Its not that we
are only interested in the old songs from the classic groups. It also that the classic artists haven't been delivering
much in the way of new product anyone likes. If people like the new album, Millions of people will come out of
the woodwork to buy it. If they know about it. Most of my classic rock friends were not even aware of Smile, and
they were also confused about how it was possible when Brian Wilson had put all that to rest in 2004. The Smile
sessions was the third time those songs had been sold, the original singles and albums the songswere issued on
like Smiley Smile, the Wilson solo version, and then the Beach Boy version. There won't be any such confusion
with this upcoming new album.


We all win either way, a new and final Beach Boys studio album, that is supposed to be quite good. If Capitol is
investing a million bucks to pay for the recording of it, then surely they can spend another milllion or two, to push
the darn thing.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 05, 2012, 08:37:39 AM
Oh sure, I think it has a high chance of going number one. But that Tony Bennett album hasn't gone gold or platinum (except in Canada). You're saying two different things. Will it sell? Unless it's a pile of crap, yes! Will it go diamond, have celebrities raving it about it on network TV, send all the young kids going crazy for the group, and find me a cheaper haircut? No!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 05, 2012, 08:59:14 AM
I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 05, 2012, 09:02:54 AM
On the topic of record sales had SOS gone triple platinum yet? I remember reading that still sells a couple of thousand every week


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 05, 2012, 10:43:31 AM
The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 05, 2012, 12:22:00 PM
The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 05, 2012, 12:22:30 PM
I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible

what is TWGMR? why do people feel the need to abbreviate everything?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 05, 2012, 12:25:33 PM
I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible

what is TWGMR? why do people feel the need to abbreviate everything?

IDK.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 05, 2012, 12:50:13 PM
I had a dream I heard TWGMR last night

It was incredible

what is TWGMR? why do people feel the need to abbreviate everything?

That's why god made radio

Not an easy song title to write on a phone


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: absinthe_boy on March 05, 2012, 12:55:35 PM
You really cannot compare Tony Bennett with the Beach Boys.

Bennett has, guided by his manager (also his son), cleverly and carefully nurtured his image for the last 20+ years....touring and recording frequently, appearing on the "right" TV shows, festivals and so on.....and all the time sticking to old standards which are pretty timeless. The Beach Boys music may be timeless in some respects but they don't have 20 years in which to nurture an image with the audience at large.

The Beach Boys as an entity have not really had consistent output since 1966 or so, and have not projected a consistent image. They're still well known and people will turn out in their thousands to hear "Surfin' USA" or "God Only Knows"......but are they really interested in new material?

If they were...then Brian's albums in the last few years would have sold *tonnage*....Mike would have been able to easily release his projected album that he's been hawking for a few years now...ditto Al.

Just looking at the music industry these days, nothing sells millions now. The best case scenario is that somehow the Boys do become 'in fashion' again...but that would be pure luck. The album could end up being pretty good with good reviews and a bit of air play and some appearances on the 'right' TV shows. It might top the charts in several countries.....but even then it may not sell a million.

A realistic hope is that the record is good, between them the Beach Boys probably have 40-50 minutes worth of good material which Brian and the producers can fashion into a coherent LP. Further realistic hope is that there might be one moderately successful hit single - by which I mean top 40, maybe top 20 but no better...and not in the charts more than 2-3 weeks. The album itself I wouldn't expect to chart for more than a month...even if it is great.

The music scene has moved on. Heck, The Beatles anthology was 18 years ago now...another world in the industry.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 05, 2012, 01:03:33 PM

A realistic hope is that the record is good, between them the Beach Boys probably have 40-50 minutes worth of good material which Brian and the producers can fashion into a coherent LP. Further realistic hope is that there might be one moderately successful hit single - by which I mean top 40, maybe top 20 but no better...and not in the charts more than 2-3 weeks. The album itself I wouldn't expect to chart for more than a month...even if it is great.



Can I add also that it continues to be available and sell in years to come?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 05, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
You really cannot compare Tony Bennett with the Beach Boys.

Bennett has, guided by his manager (also his son), cleverly and carefully nurtured his image for the last 20+ years....touring and recording frequently, appearing on the "right" TV shows, festivals and so on.....and all the time sticking to old standards which are pretty timeless. The Beach Boys music may be timeless in some respects but they don't have 20 years in which to nurture an image with the audience at large.

The Beach Boys as an entity have not really had consistent output since 1966 or so, and have not projected a consistent image. They're still well known and people will turn out in their thousands to hear "Surfin' USA" or "God Only Knows"......but are they really interested in new material?

If they were...then Brian's albums in the last few years would have sold *tonnage*....Mike would have been able to easily release his projected album that he's been hawking for a few years now...ditto Al.

Just looking at the music industry these days, nothing sells millions now. The best case scenario is that somehow the Boys do become 'in fashion' again...but that would be pure luck. The album could end up being pretty good with good reviews and a bit of air play and some appearances on the 'right' TV shows. It might top the charts in several countries.....but even then it may not sell a million.

A realistic hope is that the record is good, between them the Beach Boys probably have 40-50 minutes worth of good material which Brian and the producers can fashion into a coherent LP. Further realistic hope is that there might be one moderately successful hit single - by which I mean top 40, maybe top 20 but no better...and not in the charts more than 2-3 weeks. The album itself I wouldn't expect to chart for more than a month...even if it is great.

The music scene has moved on. Heck, The Beatles anthology was 18 years ago now...another world in the industry.


Actually Tony Bennet's son and Tony, began formulating their marketing plan, more like 35 years ago. What it came down to was, do the music in your
heart and people will come, and they did. What they did, was get Tony on MTV or VH1 and on the bill with modern acts, but stuck to their guns
about what the musical content would be. They reached out and marketed, it to different people. It worked.

You say if all Brian Wilson had to do, was make fresh music, that would have already done the trick. But the music was uneven, Smile 2004 did well
The other albums of fresh material, although containing a few fresh very good songs, were not up to the quality of Pet Sounds, Smile or California Girls.
Vocally Wilson was not as strong as the group, and the Beach Boy name was absent. Also the drama of 50 years, and , the reunion, and the final studio
album were absent.

Some of you guys talk like football coaches or Military men, handicapping, if you do this, you can expect that, you are leaving out the intangibles.
I am no Beach Boys expert, or marketing expert, I can just see a window  of a very rare opportunity here. One reason albums don't sell is piracy
another reason albums don't sell, is because the record people who groom artists and product for the public, Well they gradually let the quality
of the work and the artist and repertoire sink to all time lows. If you do a good marketing job with something people want to buy, they will buy it.
There are seven billion people on the planet, more than double in the Beach Boys heyday. Believe me, at least a million of those people will be interested
in this product (album) if the album is good and it is well marketed. From your arguments, you say even the top contemporary groups aren't selling
a million, lots of people have ten or fifteen bucks to spend on an album. They must not like the albums being offered them. Or the marketing leaves
the people unaware of the albums very existence.

Now as to the other argument I am hearing, that it will take producers and staff just to assemble a coherent album, because there is not much
there of a spiritual or commercial value,, well that's different. I think this is the first time Brian Wilson has really tried to make a good Beach Boy
album in 25-30 years, with his effort, and the Beach Boy blend, that makes a lot of difference. I didn't buy Gershwin or Disney, I did buy TLOS and
admired it, but I don't listen to it, vocally it wasn't nearly as good as the Beach Boys, the blend wasn't there.

Look I don't want to be odd man out here, or the butt of jokes, enough, we will see what happens.

I'd like to get some more info from the studio, do we have any more song titles, or updates of any kind, they seem to have gone silent over
at the studio for the last ten days or so, prior to that we were getting leaks and interviews everyday.

Does "that's why God made the radio, sound like a great title, or a parody, something from a Hollywood B picture. I can't decide, it reminds
me of something gimmicky like Rhinestone Cowboy or cover of the rolling stone


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Howie Edelson on March 05, 2012, 04:14:39 PM
Actually, it reminds me of Paul Simon's "That's Why God Made The Movies."

I agree with pretty much everything that Andrew Hickey said.

Contrary to what the press would have you believe, "pirating" really doesn't have the affect on album sales as you think.

No offense to the remaining good people at Capitol I'm friendly with, this thought that they "get a team of the best people" to work this album on radio is ridiculous. It doesn't work that way and hasn't in eons. There's no "record plugger" zig-zagging the U.S. shmoozing jocks to get a tune on the air. EVER. For ANYBODY.

Although no label can predict a definitive path to getting a new Beach Boys album maximum attention, two labels -- Concord/Hear Music and UMe would've been the smartest move for the powers to be to pursue. Now, as we all know Capitol just might (hopefully) BE a part of UMe this time next year -- or sooner -- but that really does no help for the project at hand in the short run.

Now, like most of us, I can't really find much to complain about thus far. Everything is still operating at the "best case scenario" level and I suspect that the band's own publicity will be working the album in addition to the label, which will give it a far stronger push than, say, Ringo's 'Liverpool 8' LP. Jean, Paki and their crew have done awesome work for each new BW release regardless of what label the album's been released on -- FAR better than acts repped by the likes of Nasty Little Man, Shorefire, etc. If they're left to do their jobs -- this LP/tour will reach the masses and proper outlets.

As long as everybody sounds good on the road, no one's back gives out, no one pulls any sh it regarding their cut of the cash before April -- or worse, two weeks into the tour -- on paper at least, this might be as good as we hope it'll be.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jonathan Blum on March 05, 2012, 05:21:42 PM
The general public doesn't care any more about the Beach Boys' reunion than about, say, the Monkees reunion last year -- possibly less, because there hadn't been a band calling itself the Monkees touring in the intervening time, and people actually know the names of the individual Monkees. The boomer audience in general isn't particularly interested in new music by the musicians they love, and mostly gave up on the Beach Boys around Pet Sounds.

See, I'm not expecting sales of five squillion for the album, but I think this picture is underselling it almost as much as the other postings are overselling it.

The Monkees tour didn't sell out in minutes and have to keep adding dates.  The Monkees didn't play in front of a record-setting 41.2 million viewers on the Grammys.  The Monkees don't have an evergreen multi-million-selling greatest-hits set that's still raking 'em in (the Monkees' last greatest-hits didn't even go gold).  And the Monkees, quite simply, are not America's Band.

Now -- is that enough to get a gold record out of it?  I don't know.  It'd be a stretch.  But in 2001, McCartney's last greatest-hits collection went double platinum, and off the back of a successful comeback tour his album *eventually* went gold.  And yeah, the Boys aren't in Macca's league...  but I think they're way closer to that league than to the Monkees.

(No offence to fellow Monkees fans...)

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 05, 2012, 05:53:44 PM
The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT

WTF?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 05, 2012, 06:47:42 PM
The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT

WTF?

It seemed like for every reasonable reality check regarding the commercial prospects of the new BBs album, there was a wall (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253357.html#msg253357) of (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253259.html#msg253259) text (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253240.html#msg253240) in response.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ArchStanton on March 05, 2012, 07:04:48 PM
The Monkees are not a good comp to the Beach Boys.  I like them OK, but it's not even close.  I see where you were going with it, but I disagree, strongly.   


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 05, 2012, 07:15:22 PM
How about we all just wait and see?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 05, 2012, 07:24:56 PM
The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT

WTF?

It seemed like for every reasonable reality check regarding the commercial prospects of the new BBs album, there was a wall (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253357.html#msg253357) of (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253259.html#msg253259) text (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253240.html#msg253240) in response.




Yeah it was kind of a smarmy insulting jibe at me. Because I hold a minority view that the new album could be
a very very successful,even historic album.

Also because I have made long posts, been long winded and passionate on the subject. Although
normally I don't post here that much. This particular thread was of great interest to me. So several
have inferred, I am nuts or delusional, because my view of the album's commercial potential did not
agree with the majority view. Therefore it was OK to insult me as well as my opinion. Particularly when
I repeated and expounded on my reasoning. Reality check indeed.

We'll all know soon enough. Apparently there is no new information regarding the album to discuss instead.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: donald on March 05, 2012, 08:34:46 PM
The Beach Boys have been pegged as a golden oldies band since 1973. With the exception of one nostalgic mega hit 25 years ago and the album that rode it's coattails, nothing of new material has sold huge numbers since their '60s heyday. This new album is not going to change that. It will sell to the faithfull, gather critical repsect if it's good, be dumped upon if it's bad and be be forgotten by the world at large within a year of it being released. I love The Beach Boys but dude, reality check time.

Yes but WALL OF TEXT
nothing wrong with hope and positivism regarding the beachboys.....we all have our hopes and expectations for this thing as it unfolds.

"Remember Red, hope is a good thing,  maybe the best of things"
......Andy Dufresne.....

WTF?

It seemed like for every reasonable reality check regarding the commercial prospects of the new BBs album, there was a wall (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253357.html#msg253357) of (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253259.html#msg253259) text (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,12286.msg253240.html#msg253240) in response.




Yeah it was kind of a smarmy insulting jibe at me. Because I hold a minority view that the new album could be
a very very successful,even historic album.

Also because I have made long posts, been long winded and passionate on the subject. Although
normally I don't post here that much. This particular thread was of great interest to me. So several
have inferred, I am nuts or delusional, because my view of the album's commercial potential did not
agree with the majority view. Therefore it was OK to insult me as well as my opinion. Particularly when
I repeated and expounded on my reasoning. Reality check indeed.

We'll all know soon enough. Apparently there is no new information regarding the album to discuss instead.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2012, 10:42:40 PM
1 million over the course of several months/a couple years might be possible, but platinum right out of the gate? Not since the 90s.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: debonbon on March 06, 2012, 01:19:37 AM
They should give the album away with concert tickets like Prince did. Could be very successful that way.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: absinthe_boy on March 06, 2012, 04:08:23 AM



Yeah it was kind of a smarmy insulting jibe at me. Because I hold a minority view that the new album could be
a very very successful,even historic album.


It could be. But even if it is...it won't be selling 2+ million copies. It may not even be recognised as an historic album until well after the event.

Not everyone recognised Pet Sounds, Revolver, Highway 61 Revisited, Dark Side of the moon (to pluck a few examples from my grey matter) as being landmark albums until some time had passed.

And, for myriad reasons, music just doesn't sell well these days.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 06, 2012, 05:10:08 AM



Yeah it was kind of a smarmy insulting jibe at me. Because I hold a minority view that the new album could be
a very very successful,even historic album.


It could be. But even if it is...it won't be selling 2+ million copies. It may not even be recognised as an historic album until well after the event.

Not everyone recognised Pet Sounds, Revolver, Highway 61 Revisited, Dark Side of the moon (to pluck a few examples from my grey matter) as being landmark albums until some time had passed.

And, for myriad reasons, music just doesn't sell well these days.


Well said. I happen to agree with you. There are probably even a couple of current bands doing what will become classics
I just don't have a clue who it might be.

The thing about this new Beach Boy album, there were lots of classic albums in the 60's 70's a golden age. This is not
a golden age for rock, so that's what's exciting, they don't make many classics like they used to.

And as far as the taking a couple years to sell a million, I agree with that also, I don't think it's likely they sell several
million in the first six months, unless they really get lucky and take off.

I am dying for some more news, song titles, descriptions of the sound, when a single might leak or some 30 second clips.
More info on writers credits, number of tracks to be included on the album. Expected finish date or release date.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 06, 2012, 05:33:20 AM



...when a single might leak..

Oh, the things we expect.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 06, 2012, 05:35:57 AM
The industry seems to be getting good at shutting down leaks - The new Spiritualized album has been in the hands of the press since November, and nothing. TSS didn't leak, either. I guess it's all ready when it's ready, just like with TSS


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 06, 2012, 05:53:07 AM
The industry seems to be getting good at shutting down leaks - The new Spiritualized album has been in the hands of the press since November, and nothing. TSS didn't leak, either. I guess it's all ready when it's ready, just like with TSS

I think about the upcoming tour and album; and I like the feeling of anticipation and excitement.  Maybe I'm nostalgic but please, let me wonder.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Loaf on March 06, 2012, 05:59:18 AM
I don't know why you guys are spending so much time discussing how the wheels or whatever are greased for one last big album from the BBs. It's going to sell poorly, even if it does have a generous first week helping from industry-wide interviews/advertisements.

i'm not talking 'Summer in Paradise level' of poor sales, but half a million worldwide would far exceed my expectations. It'll go top 30 for one week in the USA, one week top 20 in the UK and then plummet until heavily discounted.

This is, of course, no reflection on the music. I am assuming that there will be a few tracks with by-the-numbers plasticky-trebly stratocaster surf-twangs and poorly-mixed drums, but i'm also hoping for a couple of moments of genuine inspiration.

#cohenrant



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: D Cunningham on March 06, 2012, 07:38:02 AM
Good points, and consider...

The news seems to indicate that the group will act as slaves to the concept of a 12-song album.  Brian Wilson and the other 70-year-olds creating 12 incredible new songs?  Give me a break.
The market will sink it...justly so.

They should have finished their career with a great 2-sided single.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 06, 2012, 07:42:16 AM
Oh please. Like you aren't even a little bit happy about a new Beach Boys album.


I know, it's weak trolling, but I'm bedbound and bored  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 06, 2012, 07:55:15 AM
The industry seems to be getting good at shutting down leaks - The new Spiritualized album has been in the hands of the press since November, and nothing. TSS didn't leak, either. I guess it's all ready when it's ready, just like with TSS
[/quote

I think about the upcoming tour and album; and I like the feeling of anticipation and excitement.  Maybe I'm nostalgic but please, let me wonder.

Agreed.  Sit back for a minute and rememeber that we will never experience this "anticipation" again.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: D Cunningham on March 06, 2012, 07:59:41 AM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 08:10:13 AM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing. 

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]
Well, maybe you will have a great single along with an album. I take it that you would rather them go out with SIP as their last album? If Brian gives us anything on par with TLOS, that will be fine with me. And what if we get Farting Synths and Autotune vocals, then what? It's a dirty shame, they get criticized for everything they do; good, bad or indifferent.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 06, 2012, 09:53:34 AM
Here's what the new album will consist of - 2 or 3 really good tracks (probably ballads), a cover of an oldie (be it one of theirs or another group's), several 'fun in the sun' retreads where Mike will namecheck old song titles as he nasals it up, the almost now obligatory 'Smile style' progressive track which may or may not work, several really bad songs with Foskett's hideous "OOOOOWHHHHWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOO" falsetto running wild, a nice accapella number (probably towards the end), inaudible rhythm guitar from Al Jardine, a slushy Bruce number (if he gets a look in songwriting wise), subtle and not so subtle lyrical references to Brian's history of mental illness and a handfull of songs that will be forgotten by the listener as soon as they are over.

This is much more likely than Pet Sounds 2.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 06, 2012, 10:30:04 AM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 06, 2012, 10:52:42 AM
My post was done slightly tongue in cheek (apart from the bit about Foskett).
I do like quite a lot of Brian's solo stuff but not to the degree where I feel that it can hold a candle to what he was doing in his prime.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: HeyJude on March 06, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
Here's what the new album will consist of - 2 or 3 really good tracks (probably ballads), a cover of an oldie (be it one of theirs or another group's), several 'fun in the sun' retreads where Mike will namecheck old song titles as he nasals it up, the almost now obligatory 'Smile style' progressive track which may or may not work, several really bad songs with Foskett's hideous "OOOOOWHHHHWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOO" falsetto running wild, a nice accapella number (probably towards the end), inaudible rhythm guitar from Al Jardine, a slushy Bruce number (if he gets a look in songwriting wise), subtle and not so subtle lyrical references to Brian's history of mental illness and a handfull of songs that will be forgotten by the listener as soon as they are over.

This is much more likely than Pet Sounds 2.

I'm not sure how much I agree with this, but this still sounds better than "Summer In Paradise" or "Still Crusin'" or many other projects they've done, and I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad thing. :)

Musicianship-wise, I don't think any of these guys will figure prominently apart from any lead guitar parts from David. Musicianship has never been their thing much, regardless of how good or bad they are at their instruments. (For the record, I used to think Al was probably a solid rhythm guitarist and not much more, but I watched a show a few years ago where he did a few early-era leads that sounded like like Carl/David, so Al probably *could* be a more prominent guitarist if he wanted to).

The description we've heard of Brian simply cutting some backing tracks last year and having those as the basis for some of the new BB songs, that might be a good way to go. That is, if Brian is just using whatever is his "new" stuff (whether new is truly new or partly re-treaded old stuff he wrote) as the basis for the album, it might give us an approximation of what it would sound like if they had been sporadically doing albums the past 20 years and just did another one, as opposed to doing a bunch of songs tuned specifically for an "anniversary" album (e.g. "Brian's Back.... Again!!!!").

I did like hearing in the one Mike interview that Al is featured on some leads. They should really feature him prominently on vocals, that's his strong suit among those guys at this point.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: HeyJude on March 06, 2012, 11:28:42 AM
Good points, and consider...

The news seems to indicate that the group will act as slaves to the concept of a 12-song album.  Brian Wilson and the other 70-year-olds creating 12 incredible new songs?  Give me a break.
The market will sink it...justly so.

They should have finished their career with a great 2-sided single.

I'm optimistic about the idea that the BB's don't care how well this album does on the charts. As far as how much product they should give us, my take is that *not* doing a full album isn't going to make any theoretical "two sided single" better, so I'm all for having a full album if for no other reason than to have 12 (or however many) shots at getting a good song. I don't picture them working harder and making a better product if they confine themselves to two songs. These are the guys that went through their vaults in 1979 for "new" stuff and picked "When Girls Get Together", so I'm not convinced they could pick a good "two sided single."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 06, 2012, 01:03:25 PM

The general public doesn't care any more about the Beach Boys' reunion than about, say, the Monkees reunion last year -- possibly less, because there hadn't been a band calling itself the Monkees touring in the intervening time, and people actually know the names of the individual Monkees.

Well sure--the Monkees were actors on a popular TV show.  Of course people will know their names.  The Beach Boys however were a legitimate band


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 06, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
The Beach Boys however were a legitimate band
Monkees too...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 06, 2012, 01:10:15 PM
I'm frankly, a little concerned that the album will be finished at all. 

Sitting here listening to "Still I Dream of It"--I wouldn't mind if they re-recorded this one.  A song of this calibre would absolutely knock critics/new listeners/new fans/old fans out of the park.  I almost wish this song never was released in any form--either the demo or the version that appears on "Adult/Child"....to have them lay this song on us for this album--never hearing it before--would have been huge.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 06, 2012, 01:12:48 PM
The Beach Boys however were a legitimate band
Monkees too...

No, they were a manufactured band.  They didn't all form together in Peter Tork's garage; they were hired actors on a TV show.  Sure, they had musical ability and I enjoy some of their songs, but there is a reason why they are referred to as the "Pre-fab Four"...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 06, 2012, 01:16:19 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 06, 2012, 01:20:01 PM
The Beach Boys however were a legitimate band
Monkees too...

No, they were a manufactured band.  They didn't all form together in Peter Tork's garage; they were hired actors on a TV show.  Sure, they had musical ability and I enjoy some of their songs, but there is a reason why they are referred to as the "Pre-fab Four"...

The way they came together may have been unconventional and even "manufactured" but they eventually developed into a working unit that put out some good music that was written and played by the actual members.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 06, 2012, 01:23:18 PM

The general public doesn't care any more about the Beach Boys' reunion than about, say, the Monkees reunion last year -- possibly less, because there hadn't been a band calling itself the Monkees touring in the intervening time, and people actually know the names of the individual Monkees.

Well sure--the Monkees were actors on a popular TV show.  Of course people will know their names.  The Beach Boys however were a legitimate band
On all of "Headquarters",all of "Picses" except "hard to believe", parts of "Birds bees", a couple songs off of "Head" and all of "Jutus" they were a legitimate band as well as some outakes that ended up on the "missing Links" cd series and some of the songs from 33 1/3 monkees per revolution tv special..and in their live performances augmenteed in recent years with other musicians like the beach boys...and they sang on ALL the monkees songs,although they didn't sing the songs together you have at least one member per song sometimes all 4,sure  the first two albums "Monkees" and "more of the monkees" and their last "changes" and "pool it"  had "fake background singers" but the other albums from "head quarters" to "monkees presents" and "justus" they sang their own background singing..so those albums are just as legitimate as anything the Beach Boys released..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 06, 2012, 01:24:08 PM
The Beach Boys however were a legitimate band
Monkees too...

No, they were a manufactured band.  They didn't all form together in Peter Tork's garage; they were hired actors on a TV show.  Sure, they had musical ability and I enjoy some of their songs, but there is a reason why they are referred to as the "Pre-fab Four"...

The way they came together may have been unconventional and even "manufactured" but they eventually developed into a working unit that put out some good music that was written and played by the actual members.
That's what I meant.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 06, 2012, 01:24:46 PM
I'm frankly, a little concerned that the album will be finished at all. 

Sitting here listening to "Still I Dream of It"--I wouldn't mind if they re-recorded this one.  A song of this calibre would absolutely knock critics/new listeners/new fans/old fans out of the park.  I almost wish this song never was released in any form--either the demo or the version that appears on "Adult/Child"....to have them lay this song on us for this album--never hearing it before--would have been huge.

You don't have the 1993 box set, do you ?  :-D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 06, 2012, 01:35:08 PM
I'm frankly, a little concerned that the album will be finished at all. 

Sitting here listening to "Still I Dream of It"--I wouldn't mind if they re-recorded this one.  A song of this calibre would absolutely knock critics/new listeners/new fans/old fans out of the park.  I almost wish this song never was released in any form--either the demo or the version that appears on "Adult/Child"....to have them lay this song on us for this album--never hearing it before--would have been huge.

You don't have the 1993 box set, do you ?  :-D


haha D'oh!  They released it first there, didn't they?  Well, let's hope they play it on stage...along with "Shortnin' Bread!"  8)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 06, 2012, 01:42:59 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.

I remember when it were all fields around here....  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 06, 2012, 01:50:30 PM
On all of "Headquarters",all of "Picses" except "hard to believe", parts of "Birds bees", a couple songs off of "Head" and all of "Jutus" they were a legitimate band as well as some outakes that ended up on the "missing Links" cd series and some of the songs from 33 1/3 monkees per revolution tv special..and in their live performances augmenteed in recent years with other musicians like the beach boys...and they sang on ALL the monkees songs,although they didn't sing the songs together you have at least one member per song sometimes all 4,sure  the first two albums "Monkees" and "more of the monkees" and their last "changes" and "pool it"  had "fake background singers" but the other albums from "head quarters" to "monkees presents" and "justus" they sang their own background singing..so those albums are just as legitimate as anything the Beach Boys released..

I will give you that the Monkees *tried* to pass as a legitimate band, but you simply can't erase the fact that they came together as a manufactured group for a TV series.  Their greatest successes came during the time their TV show was popular.  But once the show ended nobody (maybe unfairly) wanted to take them seriously.  That doesn't mean they didn't have any talent or don't deserve any credit.  They have their place in music history.  But because of their manufactured roots, it is unfair to draw certain comparisons between them and groups that formed on their own terms and earned their own success organically.  Which is why it's a rather moot point saying the members of the Monkees (who were all actors on a popular TV show) might be more recognizable than members of the Beach Boys.  


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: monicker on March 06, 2012, 01:54:33 PM
You know, for years i've heard the argument that, contrary to what the industry and media will have us believe, piracy hasn't really harmed record sales, but so then what has? Because whenever i hear that argument, there is no real explanation given for what IS harming sales. I find it hard to believe that it would just be a general decline in interest.

There is so much talk that the record industry is really dying and on its way out, which does kind of seem to be the case. What do you all think the picture is going to look like for recording artists 10, 15, 20 years from now? Do you think that, with the exception of hugely popular (and probably manufactured) figures, that the business of recorded music is going to be similar to, say, the culture of self-publishing zines, or like what people on Etsy do with handcrafted stuff? It's so weird to think of recorded music in those terms.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 06, 2012, 02:09:46 PM
On all of "Headquarters",all of "Picses" except "hard to believe", parts of "Birds bees", a couple songs off of "Head" and all of "Jutus" they were a legitimate band as well as some outakes that ended up on the "missing Links" cd series and some of the songs from 33 1/3 monkees per revolution tv special..and in their live performances augmenteed in recent years with other musicians like the beach boys...and they sang on ALL the monkees songs,although they didn't sing the songs together you have at least one member per song sometimes all 4,sure  the first two albums "Monkees" and "more of the monkees" and their last "changes" and "pool it"  had "fake background singers" but the other albums from "head quarters" to "monkees presents" and "justus" they sang their own background singing..so those albums are just as legitimate as anything the Beach Boys released..

I will give you that the Monkees *tried* to pass as a legitimate band, but you simply can't erase the fact that they came together as a manufactured group for a TV series.  Their greatest successes came during the time their TV show was popular.  But once the show ended nobody (maybe unfairly) wanted to take them seriously.  That doesn't mean they didn't have any talent or don't deserve any credit.  They have their place in music history.  But because of their manufactured roots, it is unfair to draw certain comparisons between them and groups that formed on their own terms and earned their own success organically.  Which is why it's a rather moot point saying the members of the Monkees (who were all actors on a popular TV show) might be more recognizable than members of the Beach Boys.  
ok cool..I understand where you are coming from now :-)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 06, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
Record sales? Who cares?
The only thing I'm holding out hope for is a good sounding album.
Farting Synths? sh*t on a dinner plate? Hasn't Brian already done this?

Having heard Brian and his band, plus Al in a live setting (Pet Sounds Tour) gives me hope for a potentially fantastic sounding record.
Add Mike and Bruces' voices to the mix and it only gets better. Songwriting and arranging are key of course, with production being the wild card that could make it or break it.
I like the fact that Joe Thomas is onboard if only for the brightness and clarity that brought to life such songs as 'Imagination", "She Says That She Needs Me", "Cry" and "Lay Down Burden". The addition of some of the "group vocal" sound to some particularly focused and inspired sonwriting has got my expectaions cautiously high. The potential is certainly there.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 06, 2012, 02:47:05 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 06, 2012, 02:47:33 PM
I like the fact that Joe Thomas is onboard if only for the brightness and clarity that brought to life such songs as 'Imagination", "She Says That She Needs Me", "Cry" and "Lay Down Burden".

Meh.  I think Thomas was just a little too liberal with the lip gloss on Imagination's production.  Thanks to the sterile sheen, the album hasn't aged too well sonically.  


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on March 06, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.

And that happened exactly when hating Foskett became fashionable.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 06, 2012, 03:09:41 PM
On all of "Headquarters",all of "Picses" except "hard to believe", parts of "Birds bees", a couple songs off of "Head" and all of "Jutus" they were a legitimate band as well as some outakes that ended up on the "missing Links" cd series and some of the songs from 33 1/3 monkees per revolution tv special..and in their live performances augmenteed in recent years with other musicians like the beach boys...and they sang on ALL the monkees songs,although they didn't sing the songs together you have at least one member per song sometimes all 4,sure  the first two albums "Monkees" and "more of the monkees" and their last "changes" and "pool it"  had "fake background singers" but the other albums from "head quarters" to "monkees presents" and "justus" they sang their own background singing..so those albums are just as legitimate as anything the Beach Boys released..

I will give you that the Monkees *tried* to pass as a legitimate band, but you simply can't erase the fact that they came together as a manufactured group for a TV series.  Their greatest successes came during the time their TV show was popular.  But once the show ended nobody (maybe unfairly) wanted to take them seriously.  That doesn't mean they didn't have any talent or don't deserve any credit.  They have their place in music history.  But because of their manufactured roots, it is unfair to draw certain comparisons between them and groups that formed on their own terms and earned their own success organically.  Which is why it's a rather moot point saying the members of the Monkees (who were all actors on a popular TV show) might be more recognizable than members of the Beach Boys.  

All the tired old saws that people use to invalidate the Monkees can just as easily apply to "legitimate" bands.  The Sex Pistols and The Clash were artificially assembled groups put together by their managers.  The Beach Boys didn't play on their records.  {Everybody} used outside writers.

The fact is The Monkees could have just been good compliant little actors, taken the money and read their lines and mimed and danced around and done their two seasons, and that would have been that.  The fact that they were talented and ambitious enough to actually become a real working band and do things for themselves is something they deserve a lot of credit for.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 06, 2012, 03:20:27 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
I would absolutely LOVE to have a  mid-'60s "Today", "Summer Days" type production but I'm trying to be realistic.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 03:22:10 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
It is really hard to do the Wall of Sound in stereo. Stereo just splits that wall apart, ala Pet Sounds.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 06, 2012, 03:23:44 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.

And that happened exactly when hating Foskett became fashionable.

Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 06, 2012, 03:26:53 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
It is really hard to do the Wall of Sound in stereo. Stereo just splits that wall apart, ala Pet Sounds.
aren't some of the Andy paley stuff in stereo? they sound pretty good if so..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on March 06, 2012, 03:29:13 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.

And that happened exactly when hating Foskett became fashionable.

Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.

I think it's fine, they just need to slightly bury it in the mix. On Do It Again it stands out like a sore thumb - hell, like an amputated thumb. Like I said, I like his voice but they just need to make it less predominant.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
It is really hard to do the Wall of Sound in stereo. Stereo just splits that wall apart, ala Pet Sounds.
aren't some of the Andy paley stuff in stereo? they sound pretty good if so..
They are stereo, just not Wall of Sound. The Wall of Sound is basically many instruments making one sound and is best accomplished in mono.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 06, 2012, 03:38:33 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
It is really hard to do the Wall of Sound in stereo. Stereo just splits that wall apart, ala Pet Sounds.
aren't some of the Andy paley stuff in stereo? they sound pretty good if so..
They are stereo, just not Wall of Sound. The Wall of Sound is basically many instruments making one sound and is best accomplished in mono.
ok..well if it sounds like the Andy Paley stuff then I think that would be cool..or maybe a limited edition mono release from best buy or target or something like with a wall of sound mix that would be cool as well..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 06, 2012, 03:46:03 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing.  

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.

And that happened exactly when hating Foskett became fashionable.

Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.

I think it's fine, they just need to slightly bury it in the mix. On Do It Again it stands out like a sore thumb - hell, like an amputated thumb. Like I said, I like his voice but they just need to make it less predominant.

That's just it, I don't care for the quality of his voice. Not enough resonance for a falsetto. Always sounds like a commercial facsimile to my ears.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 06, 2012, 03:47:56 PM
hh...no problem (and I saw your profanity-laced unedited post...heh)...my point was that I am not happy...right.  They might have created a marvelous signal to the ages with a brief small final perfection.
More likely there will be a bunch of dull songs with whatever electronic effects for smoothing. 

On the other hand, maybe Brian will revert to the fart synth and give us a weird final blast...  [dreaming]

Heh, I figured I need to cut down on the profanity on here.  :lol

Well, it all depends on how you like TLOS, the last blast of BW songwriting we've had. I happen to think it's lovely and bodes well, although not without the caveats Mike's Beard states - you could blame Scott Bennett for the lyrics. But then I never get the hate for Foskett here (it's not like anyone else in The BB's circle can do it as well, I don't rate Matt Jardine that much and he comes closest), and fans like to gripe, as drbeachboy says.

IDK, people here go on about some formula for Brian's records since BWPS, the whole 'acapella opener-few songs-progressive one-lets put the bass harmonica on-few more songs-instrumental-acapella closer, and let's make into a quasi-suite if we can' as if it's such a common, tired formula for music making? For starters, Brian wants it that way. And, point me to more (Beach Boys or otherwise) records which work in the same way, please.

Why has liking BW's solo work suddenly become the unfashionable position to take?


Around the same time that praising Mike and slagging off Van Dyke became fashionable, I guess.

And that happened exactly when hating Foskett became fashionable.

Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.

I think it's fine, they just need to slightly bury it in the mix. On Do It Again it stands out like a sore thumb - hell, like an amputated thumb. Like I said, I like his voice but they just need to make it less predominant.

That's just it, I don't care for the quality of his voice. Not enough resonance for a falsetto. Always sounds like a commercial facsimile to my ears.

They need Matt Jardine.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 03:49:28 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
It is really hard to do the Wall of Sound in stereo. Stereo just splits that wall apart, ala Pet Sounds.
aren't some of the Andy paley stuff in stereo? they sound pretty good if so..
They are stereo, just not Wall of Sound. The Wall of Sound is basically many instruments making one sound and is best accomplished in mono.
ok..well if it sounds like the Andy Paley stuff then I think that would be cool..or maybe a limited edition mono release from best buy or target or something like with a wall of sound mix that would be cool as well..
If you have the U.S. Singles Collection, play disc 13 and play the 2 Do You Wanna Dance tracks and you will hear the difference between the mono wall of sound and the stereo track.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 06, 2012, 03:50:54 PM
Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.

I always feel bad when I read this because I have never noticed anything wrong with Jeff's falsetto.

Can you please elaborate on (and feel free to go into excruciatingly tedious detail) why you think Jeff's fallsetto doesn't cut it?  Would love to read your and everyone else's thoughts on that...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 06, 2012, 03:55:44 PM
Well over 90 percent of the Foskett hate is because --

1.) He's Brian's "minder" on the road.

2.) He's an evangelical Christian.

3.) He doesn't like Love You.

In other words, people don't think he's cool enough to have the job he has.

It's bullshit, and it has nothing to do with how he sounds. If you told people some random live track was Matt Jardine, but it was actually Foskett, I doubt most people here could tell. And really, it's about the same half-dozen guys who won't shut up about it.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 04:02:25 PM
Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.

I always feel bad when I read this because I have never noticed anything wrong with Jeff's falsetto.

Can you please elaborate on (and feel free to go into excruciatingly tedious detail into) why you think Jeff's fallsetto doesn't cut it?  Would love to read your and everyone else's thoughts on that...
If you like his falsetto then don't listen to Wilson Love. Enjoy it! There is lots of music that sounds terrific to my ears, yet to read the Hoffman board it is the worst listening one can endure. Just go with what sounds good to you.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 06, 2012, 04:03:56 PM
Interesting...thanks Wirestone.  I suspected there was some BS invovled here but considering there were more and more comments ragging on his singing, it made me wonder what was really going on there.  


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 06, 2012, 04:07:06 PM
Fosketts' falsetto does not cut it. I wish they could find someone who could.

I always feel bad when I read this because I have never noticed anything wrong with Jeff's falsetto.

Can you please elaborate on (and feel free to go into excruciatingly tedious detail into) why you think Jeff's fallsetto doesn't cut it?  Would love to read your and everyone else's thoughts on that...
If you like his falsetto then don't listen to Wilson Love. Enjoy it! There is lots of music that sounds terrific to my ears, yet to read the Hoffman board it is the worst listening one can endure. Just go with what sounds good to you.

Will do...I thought I was going crazy or something because everyone kept putting Jeff's falsetto down and I was thinking, "Damn, is there something wrong with me??  Why can't I hear it??"

I see you there on the Hoffman board, Dr!  We posted in the same BB thread earlier today!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 06, 2012, 04:14:26 PM
I would rather have a wall of sound production ala: andy paley sessions/today/pet sounds/summer days etc in stereo of course,maybe a mono counterpart that us fans could buy..
It is really hard to do the Wall of Sound in stereo. Stereo just splits that wall apart, ala Pet Sounds.
aren't some of the Andy paley stuff in stereo? they sound pretty good if so..
They are stereo, just not Wall of Sound. The Wall of Sound is basically many instruments making one sound and is best accomplished in mono.

Actually, the Paley tracks are in mono. However, arrangement wise they aren't really wallo'sound.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 04:59:10 PM
I need to relisten to those tracks again. I probably haven't listened to them for 8 years or so.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 06, 2012, 05:07:34 PM
I need to relisten to those tracks again. I probably haven't listened to them for 8 years or so.

I started to, once, and lost interest after a few intros.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 06, 2012, 05:12:22 PM
I need to relisten to those tracks again. I probably haven't listened to them for 8 years or so.

I started to, once, and lost interest after a few intros.
Yep, most were just so-so, but a few were terrific. Soul Searchin', You're A Mystery and It's Not Easy Being Me are really catchy and would have been a great back bone for the new Beach Boys album back then.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Amanda Hart on March 06, 2012, 05:27:18 PM

Yep, most were just so-so, but a few were terrific. Soul Searchin', You're A Mystery and It's Not Easy Being Me are really catchy and would have been a great back bone for the new Beach Boys album back then.

You're Still A Mystery is the winner for me. I hope when they're talking about revisiting older songs for this album, that's one of the ones I hope they consider. It's Not Easy Being Me would be a good choice too, but You're Still A Mystery had a good vocal arrangement in the incarnation I heard and wouldn't take much work to finish for this album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 06, 2012, 05:28:12 PM
I need to relisten to those tracks again. I probably haven't listened to them for 8 years or so.

I started to, once, and lost interest after a few intros.
Yep, most were just so-so, but a few were terrific. Soul Searchin', You're A Mystery and It's Not Easy Being Me are really catchy and would have been a great back bone for the new Beach Boys album back then.

I would still like to see a proper release of these songs, maybe they could be included on the potential box set?  And was it always the group's intention for the Paley tracks to be in mono, or were these just demo mixes that were leaked out?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇 on March 06, 2012, 05:31:29 PM
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Can you please elaborate on (and feel free to go into excruciatingly tedious detail) why you think Jeff's fallsetto doesn't cut it?  Would love to read your and everyone else's thoughts on that...

For me personally, his voice is too sterile, too clean.  Even when Brian's voice was pristine it still had some bite to it. It's like comparing Rod Stewart in the 70s to his (mostly) 70s covers album he did several years ago. One is the real deal, the other sounds like one of those K-Tel knockoffs. I'm not saying Foskett is a bad singer (far from it), just that I'm not that big of a fan as much as I could be.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on March 06, 2012, 09:54:41 PM
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Can you please elaborate on (and feel free to go into excruciatingly tedious detail) why you think Jeff's fallsetto doesn't cut it?  Would love to read your and everyone else's thoughts on that...

For me personally, his voice is too sterile, too clean.  Even when Brian's voice was pristine it still had some bite to it. It's like comparing Rod Stewart in the 70s to his (mostly) 70s covers album he did several years ago. One is the real deal, the other sounds like one of those K-Tel knockoffs. I'm not saying Foskett is a bad singer (far from it), just that I'm not that big of a fan as much as I could be.

Agreed. The biggest difference between smile 67 and smile 2004 were the background vocals. The ones on BWPS are very good, but there's just something missing from them compared to the montage on the box.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Phoenix on March 06, 2012, 09:58:32 PM
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Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Phoenix on March 06, 2012, 10:00:15 PM

I will give you that the Monkees *tried* to pass as a legitimate band, but you simply can't erase the fact that they came together as a manufactured group for a TV series.  Their greatest successes came during the time their TV show was popular.  But once the show ended nobody (maybe unfairly) wanted to take them seriously.  That doesn't mean they didn't have any talent or don't deserve any credit.  They have their place in music history.  But because of their manufactured roots, it is unfair to draw certain comparisons between them and groups that formed on their own terms and earned their own success organically.  Which is why it's a rather moot point saying the members of the Monkees (who were all actors on a popular TV show) might be more recognizable than members of the Beach Boys.  


John Lennon formed the Quarrymen.  They played a few gigs and after a while some kid named Paul showed em his stuff backstage.  John liked what he saw and extended an invitation to the group.  Paul (after getting permission from his parents) accepted.  He then told John about George.  Same deal.  Eventually when they got signed, George M. didn't think their drummer was good enough to use on the recordings and fearing the worst, the guys had Brian sack him and asked Ringo to join.

Bob Rafelson and Bert Schneider liked what they saw in each of the prospective Monkees and essentially told Nesmith, Dolenz, Jones, and Tork, "Congratulations, you guys are now a group.  Here are the songs you're going to record."

Now is that second scenario REALLLLLLY that much different than what Brian did to his brothers, cousin, and neighbor?  :P ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 06, 2012, 11:24:59 PM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wylson on March 06, 2012, 11:40:02 PM
I happen not to like Foskett's voice, but not because of any prejudice/jealousy etc. fundamentally I think he sings in a range that is not natural to him. He has a great mid range which is where he should sing.  But he's obviously a massive Brian Wilson fan so loves doing the falsetto. To me his falsetto is strained and a bit "thick", not crisp or natural. Matt J has got s crisp falsetto. In addition, he lacks subtlety, his oohs and aahs are somehow over the top.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 06, 2012, 11:46:03 PM
I would never argue that Brian's band at all equals the classic BB vocals. And Jeff doesn't sound exactly like a twentysomething Brian Wilson. But that falsetto role is very hard to fill, and given Foskett's bona fides, he's probably the best we could hope for in Brian's records and solo touring.

I think a lot of the appreciation for Matt Jardine has to do 1.) with the family connection and 2.) the time when he toured with the BBs, he was precisely the right age -- late 20s, early 30s -- to have a really great youthful sound in his voice.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 06, 2012, 11:53:43 PM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.

Headquarters is better than most Beach Boys albums of that decade.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 12:01:52 AM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.

Headquarters is better than most Beach Boys albums of that decade.

Bought it today, actually. Sounds pretty strong to these ears. The outside writers do allow them to eat their cake and have it too, however.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 12:15:48 AM


Bought it today, actually. Sounds pretty strong to these ears. The outside writers do allow them to eat their cake and have it too, however.

Absolutely. Mike Nesmith was the only member of the band who was a really gifted songwriter as his successful solo career attests to. Peter Tork and Mickey Dolenz wrote one or two good songs here and there. Davy Jones wasn't a songwriter.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 07, 2012, 12:22:56 AM
I would never argue that Brian's band at all equals the classic BB vocals. And Jeff doesn't sound exactly like a twentysomething Brian Wilson. But that falsetto role is very hard to fill, and given Foskett's bona fides, he's probably the best we could hope for in Brian's records and solo touring.

I think a lot of the appreciation for Matt Jardine has to do 1.) with the family connection and 2.) the time when he toured with the BBs, he was precisely the right age -- late 20s, early 30s -- to have a really great youthful sound in his voice.

A more recent video of Matt's falsetto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yoEEN0tBQ


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 12:32:11 AM


A more recent video of Matt's falsetto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yoEEN0tBQ

Not a good vocal performance but I don't think that is reflective of his singing as a whole. When Jeff Foskett sang this song acoustic with David Marks a few years ago he also sounded substandard.

Both Matt and Jeff are good singers. With Matt, generally speaking, having a slight edge.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 12:34:08 AM
Here's Jeff in a very clear audience video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7o2noJlPs8


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on March 07, 2012, 12:46:02 AM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.

Shut the front door.  If you don't like Sunny Girlfriend you're just soulless. Do we need any further confirmation of what we've all suspected for so long? AGD is some type of automaton...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 12:47:00 AM
Headquarters is better than most Beach Boys albums of that decade.

Beach Boys albums of "that decade" i.e. the 60s:

Surfin' Safari
Surfin' USA
Surfer Girl
Shut Down Volume 2
All Summer Long
Christmas Album
Concert
Today
Summer Days...
Party
Pet Sounds
Smiley Smile
Wild Honey
Friends
20/20


So you're saying that Headquarters is better than eight of those ? Think you're on the wrong board, pal.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on March 07, 2012, 12:47:39 AM
Only a monster wouldn't smile at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emLj0d66DQ
Better than the HN version imo. I've always wanted a coat like the one Michael is wearing in that clip.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 12:50:17 AM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.

Shut the front door.  If you don't like Sunny Girlfriend you're just soulless. Do we need any further confirmation of what we've all suspected for so long? AGD is some type of automaton...

I was prepped by folk here and elsewhere for some amazing musical revelation when I heard the non-hits, and yes, it was amazing - amazing how very poor most of them were. Less surprising was that Davy sang a lot of them, and rather badly. Probably my fave Monkees track is "Porpoise Song", and that sounds like an MMT outtake.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 12:53:09 AM
Only a monster wouldn't smile at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emLj0d66DQ
Better than the HN version imo. I've always wanted a coat like the one Michael is wearing in that clip.

Yeah, it's cute and very nice. But rock & roll - or even pop - it ain't. Pure 19th century English music hall.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on March 07, 2012, 12:54:13 AM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.

Shut the front door.  If you don't like Sunny Girlfriend you're just soulless. Do we need any further confirmation of what we've all suspected for so long? AGD is some type of automaton...

I was prepped by folk here and elsewhere for some amazing musical revelation when I heard the non-hits, and yes, it was amazing - amazing how very poor most of them were. Less surprising was that Davy sang a lot of them, and rather badly. Probably my fave Monkees track is "Porpoise Song", and that sounds like an MMT outtake.

I'll agree with you AGD, The Monkees are not as strong of a band as TBB, but then again, few bands are. However I find them overall to be very enjoyable, I can put on PAC&J LTD anytime and enjoy it from start to finish. They're not a radical experimental band, but they're fun and overall very very solid for what they did do. Much better than somewhat similar acts like Harper's Bizarre


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 12:58:18 AM
For sure, enjoyable, but the party line was that when they got artistic control, they produced some amazing stuff - and to these ears, they fell way short. Your personal mileage will, of course, vary. Which is overall a grand thing.  :-D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on March 07, 2012, 01:01:06 AM
The Monkees never did a top tier album like Notorious Byrd Brothers, Forever Changes, or Pet Sounds. They weren't a top tier band. But they are fucking great regardless. Don't think about it so much Andrew, just put Headquarters on a cd and listen to it as you drive around the english countryside.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 01:07:57 AM
When out and about on my estates, I only listen to the likes of Elgar, Vaughn Williams and Delius.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 01:10:59 AM
When out and about on my estates, I only listen to the likes of Elgar, Vaughn Williams and Delius.  ;D

And those guys are fucking amazing, too.

Really.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dunderhead on March 07, 2012, 01:13:16 AM
Dr. Primrose usually just gets his beautiful daughters to regal him with ballads whenever the squire stops by


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 01:19:15 AM


Beach Boys albums of "that decade" i.e. the 60s:

Surfin' Safari
Surfin' USA
Surfer Girl
Shut Down Volume 2
All Summer Long
Christmas Album
Concert
Today
Summer Days...
Party
Pet Sounds
Smiley Smile
Wild Honey
Friends
20/20


So you're saying that Headquarters is better than eight of those ? Think you're on the wrong board, pal.

Sorry. I didn't fully appreciate that you giving each Monkees album a listen makes you an expert whose opinion can't be questioned.  :)

Just because I'm a fan of The Beach Boys doesn't mean that I (or other posters on this board) can't appreciate other bands. It also doesn't mean that I can't try to take a critical look the group's albums.

Now Headquarters is regularly listed as one of the top 100 albums of the sixties and seems to receive almost universal praise.

Pet Sounds is obviously considered to be far superior. Today possibly is as well.

But there are several BBs album from that decade (SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party) which are not generally considered to be in the same stratosphere.

All of the other albums are debatable but I would say that Headquarters has a better reputation than quite a few of them.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 01:22:02 AM


Yeah, it's cute and very nice. But rock & roll - or even pop - it ain't. Pure 19th century English music hall.

And?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 01:34:16 AM
Sorry. I didn't fully appreciate that you giving each Monkees album a listen makes you an expert whose opinion can't be questioned.  :)

Remember, I came to these albums entirely fresh, albeit primed by both Monkees and general music fans to expect something slightly extraordinary from the non-hits and singles. I don't hear this, despite repeated listenings. I hear poor album fodder thinly produced. To compare, I knew maybe three Zombies singles when I first heard Odessey & Oracle about five years ago, and that album totally blew me away out of the traps.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 01:52:06 AM

Remember, I came to these albums entirely fresh, albeit primed by both Monkees and general music fans to expect something slightly extraordinary from the non-hits and singles. I don't hear this, despite repeated listenings. I hear poor album fodder thinly produced. To compare, I knew maybe three Zombies singles when I first heard Odessey & Oracle about five years ago, and that album totally blew me away out of the traps.


And? You think that your opinion is of any particular importance why?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: MBE on March 07, 2012, 02:36:40 AM
Sorry. I didn't fully appreciate that you giving each Monkees album a listen makes you an expert whose opinion can't be questioned.  :)

Remember, I came to these albums entirely fresh, albeit primed by both Monkees and general music fans to expect something slightly extraordinary from the non-hits and singles. I don't hear this, despite repeated listenings. I hear poor album fodder thinly produced. To compare, I knew maybe three Zombies singles when I first heard Odessey & Oracle about five years ago, and that album totally blew me away out of the traps.
I heard a lot of Monkees songs as I was in a band with a collector. I like them OK and enjoyed the show as a kid but only bought one 45 of Daydream Believer (which I still think Bruce could have nailed though he kind of mocked the song when I brought it up to him). The flip (it's a reissue 45 is Listen To The Band and that is a good song too.  When you hear something new that gets you (doesn't matter when it was cut-new to an individual is what I mean) you know it. We all have different tastes and none of the next sentence means anything other than my subjective viewpoint. I am glad the Monkees got reconsidered to a point, but there are better bands from the period are a lot more unjustly obscure. The Head period was cool though.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 02:40:20 AM

Remember, I came to these albums entirely fresh, albeit primed by both Monkees and general music fans to expect something slightly extraordinary from the non-hits and singles. I don't hear this, despite repeated listenings. I hear poor album fodder thinly produced. To compare, I knew maybe three Zombies singles when I first heard Odessey & Oracle about five years ago, and that album totally blew me away out of the traps.


And? You think that your opinion is of any particular importance why?

As valid as yours: no more, no less.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 02:44:41 AM
Dr. Primrose usually just gets his beautiful daughters to regal him with ballads whenever the squire stops by

The gatehouse at Bellagio Manor:

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268310_10150706362495510_854765509_19892504_4704772_n.jpg)

... and the manor itself:

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269470_10150706375580510_854765509_19892760_6133582_n.jpg)

It's not much, but I call it home.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 02:51:19 AM

As valid as yours: no more, no less.

Indeed. Not sure why you were so surprised that anyone should consider the album better than 8 (or 13) Beach Boys albums from that era though. A fairly widely held viewpoint.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: MBE on March 07, 2012, 02:59:57 AM
Well over 90 percent of the Foskett hate is because --

1.) He's Brian's "minder" on the road.

2.) He's an evangelical Christian.

3.) He doesn't like Love You.

In other words, people don't think he's cool enough to have the job he has.

It's bullsh*t, and it has nothing to do with how he sounds. If you told people some random live track was Matt Jardine, but it was actually Foskett, I doubt most people here could tell. And really, it's about the same half-dozen guys who won't shut up about it.


I didn't know that religous stuff about Jeff until now but I'll weigh in.

Not liking Love You is fine by me as I don't dig it much.  I do think he shouldn't stop Brian from playing it if he in fact does. Religion doesn't matter to me when looking at a person. Everybody has or doesn't have beliefs of their own. If Jeff pushes it on people is one thing, but if he doesn't its nothing that is a concern or even notable. The only thing I ever heard that bothered me along that line of a minder is that I understand (I haven't seen it myself) he has told Brian to change his responces in public sometimes in front of people. If it's true that's kind of sad, but everybody I have talked to that would know has said Brian needs a minder of some sort since the mid seventies. Landy and his team gave that role a bad name, but it seems Brian (to be fair like many other people who are famous or who have emotional issues) needs help staying on track.  

Musically he's OK as he does hit the notes fine. He doesn't have the kind of soul the original Beach Boys had in their prime but nobody does. I never minded his presence at the shows.

I


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: MBE on March 07, 2012, 03:02:23 AM
Dr. Primrose usually just gets his beautiful daughters to regal him with ballads whenever the squire stops by

The gatehouse at Bellagio Manor:

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268310_10150706362495510_854765509_19892504_4704772_n.jpg)

... and the manor itself:

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269470_10150706375580510_854765509_19892760_6133582_n.jpg)

It's not much, but I call it home.
How about having me over for dinner? Great shots!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 03:14:10 AM

As valid as yours: no more, no less.

Indeed. Not sure why you were so surprised that anyone should consider the album better than 8 (or 13) Beach Boys albums from that era though. A fairly widely held viewpoint.

Because, to these ears, it isn't. Others disagree: personally, I think it's a case of the pendulum swinging back too far. Again, just my take. I was primed for excellence, and I didn't, and don't, hear it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Paulos on March 07, 2012, 03:43:40 AM
I always feel it's a bit wrong to judge albums after one or two listens, in fact it took me about 5-6 listens before Pet Sounds revealed its true beauty. Same with Love You - first few times I remember thinking 'what IS this?', didn't listen to it for awhile then gave it another go and voila, awesomness ensued!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 07, 2012, 03:52:57 AM
Chemistry Chemistry Chemistry!

The Beach Boys, or Beatles or whoever it might be, have a sound, something that happens when
they get in a room together, it's intangible, one of my pet theories, is usually, when bands are related
or grow up together in the neighborhood, or both, occasionally you get a chemistry that is hard to define
or explain. It just is..

No session guys can ever beat that. It's like a gift from God.

On Foskett's vocals, I don't care for his falsetto, no matter what it' gonna be wrong, because it isn't that
chemistry of the original group. But it has nothing to do with talent or ability.

I agree with an earlier poster, Foskett is a bit too hot in the mix, (IMO) and equally important, they are
using some modern equipment and techniques on the new recordings, and they just don't sound the same.
The limitations of the early four and eight track equipment, shaded things, certain things weren't as clear, but
in an odd paradox, that limitation helped make the sound, you heard it on the playback and said, Eureka that's it!


I am sure they are using some vintage gear, but the digital recorders just don't sound the same, or the modern consoles
probably they are using vintage mics.

if you turned Foskett down a hard in the mix, and if you actually degraded the fidelity by recording on magnetic tape on an
old multitrack recorder, it would probably sound closer to the Beach Boys.

But when I listened to DIA the remake, I noticed all those things, but it didn't spoil it for me, I would have tried recording
on an old four or eight track machine and then dumping it into pro tools later,but anyway, it's not that Foskett is bad, he
just isn't Brian Wilson circa 1960's, he was slightly loud, and the clarity and sound of the modern equipment changes things.


As the album evolves and gets recorded and mixed, the Beach Boys and engineers, may notice some of those things, and
make adjustments by the time the final album comes out.

Although they want to, and will sound like the Beach Boys, I don't think they are especially thinking about replicating every
move they made in 1966. Also the timber of their voices has changed so much over 40 years and Carl and Dennis have died.
So you could do things, to duplicate the original sound a little more, but I think DIA demonstrated clearly, it still sounds like
the freaking Beach Boys, because it is.

If the songs sound like Beach Boys compositions, I think it will be a real winner, the performance is remarkably good for a bunch
of 70 year old guys, but are they able to write songs that sound similar to old Beach Boy tunes, I think Lucky Old Sun, proves
they probably can, Think of Lucky Old Sun with the Beach Boy Blend and more Mike Love lyrics instead of Scott Bennett lyrics
and you get some idea, Beach Boys 1965  or 1969

I Liked that Van Dyke Parks, between song, interlude dialogue stuff, too bad nothing like that will be happening.
I imagine Van Dyke writing lyrics would have caused the whole project to implode from Mike Love's point of view
so I am expecting California Girls as opposed to Hero's and Villians.......

Can Wilson write some interesting melodies and arrangements, God I hope so.

I think the leaks we get are all deliberate, I hope they give us a deliberate leak pretty soon., I am dying
of curiosity




Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 07, 2012, 04:00:41 AM
Is that really your house Andrew? It looks like Friar park! That's amazing, my house would fit inside that
about five times from the look of it.

I guess you get more for your money living out in a small village. I Like my little house, but I gotta say
that is impressive and colorful. It must get drafty. Do old English houses like that have modern electric heat
or do you have to burn wood or oil.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 04:02:44 AM
Is that really your house Andrew? It looks like Friar park! That's amazing, my house would fit inside that
about five times from the look of it.

I guess you get more for your money living out in a small village. I Like my little house, but I gotta say
that is impressive and colorful. It must get drafty. Do old English houses like that have modern electric heat
or do you have to burn wood or oil.


 :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 07, 2012, 04:04:13 AM
Is that really your house Andrew? It looks like Friar park! That's amazing, my house would fit inside that
about five times from the look of it.

I guess you get more for your money living out in a small village. I Like my little house, but I gotta say
that is impressive and colorful. It must get drafty. Do old English houses like that have modern electric heat
or do you have to burn wood or oil.


The house comes with it's own cemetary? Thats a neat place congrats, you call that modest? It looks rather
large to me, like a small castle for non billionaires


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 07, 2012, 06:02:25 AM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".

Nesmith was writing and producing from the beginning. And while they weren't allowed to play (apart from Tork on a couple of tracks) on the first couple of albums, they took over creative control, including for singles like Pleasant Valley Sunday and Daydream Believer.

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Speaking of The Monkees, over the weekend, I sat down and listened to the entire Monkees' output during their classic period, just to see what all the fuss was about and to find out what their deep catalog was like, given that their fans were forever going on about how they were valid musicians and not just the Pre-Fab Four. The hits remain, of course, excellent, sometimes outstanding pop, but the album tracks ? Filler, and sometimes really thin filler in both composition and execution. There is no deep catalog, as we understand it in the BB/Beatles sense.

I'd disagree quite strongly. The only album that works as a coherent whole is Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd, but that's more because of bad choices made during sequencing than because of a lack of good material. As far as good Monkees 'deep cuts' go, I'd suggest the following:
Writing Wrongs
Nine Times Blue
The Girl I Knew Somewhere
Cuddly Toy
Sweet Young Thing
Shorty Blackwell
My Share Of The Sidewalk
Someday Man
Saturday's Child
Papa Gene's Blues
Riu Chiu
Propinquity
Love Is Only Sleeping
The Door Into Summer
What Am I Doing Hangin' Round
Daily Nightly
Don't Call On Me
And a lot more.

Unfortunately, though, quite a lot of their best stuff remained unreleased on the actual albums, and has only seen legitimate release on rarities compilations and bonus tracks, so if you're just listening to the actual 1960s albums only Pisces and (arguably) Head stand up, because of the need to accomodate Davy Jones' fairly awful Broadway-rock.

For those with Spotify though, I've put together a playlist at http://open.spotify.com/user/stealthmunchkin/playlist/0ZbNc89WtrcsHreWrazgGV that should show there was more to the band than just the hits (though it's no coincidence that of the 25 songs in that playlist, 17 have Nesmith as either lead vocalist or songwirter).


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 07, 2012, 06:21:40 AM
Although those being rude to AGD because he doesn't like the music should show him a little slack. There is *plenty* of filler on those albums, and some of the good stuff takes several listens to get into. Partly because of the necessity to incorporate a load of bad Davy Jones tracks, the Monkees never made a classic album like Pet Sounds, Odessey And Oracle or Forever Changes, though I'd argue that Pisces comes close. They had one great singer (Dolenz), one great songwriter (Nesmith), one great instrumentalist (Tork), plus Davy Jones who was great as a live frontman and TV actor but added little of worth to the records. When they split those roles properly (say The Girl I Knew Somewhere, with Dolenz singing a Nesmith song and a great harpsichord solo by Tork) they sounded great. When they didn't, they didn't.

As for Foskett, I get the impression that the people who dislike him mostly dislike him for his perceived artistic conservatism -- from what I can tell his favourite Brian/Beach Boys stuff is the music from roughly All Summer Long through Pet Sounds and he's not that enamoured of the later stuff -- and that affects their perception of his vocals. He does have some flaws as a vocalist - he tends to hit the notes a tiny bit flat then pull himself up to the right note -- but he's perfectly good at what he does. I'd say he's not as good as Matt Jardine or Scott Totten, but better than Randell Kirsch. And anyone complaining about him should just remember -- we could have had Adrian Baker instead. be grateful for small mercies.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 07, 2012, 06:56:03 AM
Only a monster wouldn't smile at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0emLj0d66DQ
Better than the HN version imo. I've always wanted a coat like the one Michael is wearing in that clip.

Yeah, it's cute and very nice. But rock & roll - or even pop - it ain't. Pure 19th century English music hall.

Written, of course, by one of the finest American songwriters of the period.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 07:12:09 AM
Sorry. I didn't fully appreciate that you giving each Monkees album a listen makes you an expert whose opinion can't be questioned.  :)

Remember, I came to these albums entirely fresh, albeit primed by both Monkees and general music fans to expect something slightly extraordinary from the non-hits and singles. I don't hear this, despite repeated listenings. I hear poor album fodder thinly produced. To compare, I knew maybe three Zombies singles when I first heard Odessey & Oracle about five years ago, and that album totally blew me away out of the traps.

I listened to O&O by the Zombies having only heard the hits too, absolutely outstanding album that I personally rank higher than any Beatles album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 09:06:57 AM
Indeed. Not sure why you were so surprised that anyone should consider the album better than 8 (or 13) Beach Boys albums from that era though. A fairly widely held viewpoint.

Is it really? I mean, I know that the album is well-regarded, but the BBs have sustained a fairly high critical (and popular!) reputation for their '60s work, too.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Phoenix on March 07, 2012, 09:36:49 AM
You do talk some tosh, don't you ?

Firstly, did Brian place an advert and then audition some 200 odd people who replied ? And I think you'll find The Monkees were actually told "These are the instrumental tracks for the songs going on your albums and singles, all you have to do is sing on them".



Obviously, just poking the bear a bit (I just didn't intend to poke THE bear on this board).  :)   But the point I was making is people knock the Monkees formation because they were just "put together" and didn't "pay their dues", playing dives along the way.  And while the Boys worked hard to go from "Surfin'" to "California Girls", they were also, pretty much "put together", albeit by a member of the group.  And by the time the Monkees hit the scene (1966), they were even using a lot of the same session musicians on tracks (some written and produced by a member of the group) that they added vocals and additional instrumentation too.  

Yes, it's a big stretch but it's also not AS big a stretch as their detractors make it out to be.   :-\

As for post-creative control deep cuts, my very top suggestions include
The Girl I Knew Somewhere
You Told Me
You Just May Be The One
For Pete's Sake
Daily, Nightly
Goin' Down
Auntie's Municpal Court


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 10:00:04 AM
I listened to O&O by the Zombies having only heard the hits too, absolutely outstanding album that I personally rank higher than any Beatles album.

Wow.  That's just.............................wrong.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 07, 2012, 10:01:43 AM
With Headquarters it's worth noting that it was the first album where The Monkees were not just adding vocals to finished backing tracks written, performed and produced by other people, so in many ways it the band's DEBUT album. When you consider it in that light Headquarters is one of the finest debuts of the 1960s. What really did The Monkees in was that once they gained artistic controll they soon realised that they had nothing in common musically and essentially became solo artists, putting out their individual songs under The Monkees brand.

Also they suffered under The Beach Boys/Bob Dylan syndrome of often leaving some of their best works in the can.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
I listened to O&O by the Zombies having only heard the hits too, absolutely outstanding album that I personally rank higher than any Beatles album.

Wow.  That's just.............................wrong.

No it's not wrong, note I say "personally" in my post, that means it's my opinion. If you want to believe that it's not as good as the Beatles albums then that's your opinion which I wholeheartedly respect.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 07, 2012, 10:10:32 AM
Well over 90 percent of the Foskett hate is because --

1.) He's Brian's "minder" on the road.

2.) He's an evangelical Christian.

3.) He doesn't like Love You.

In other words, people don't think he's cool enough to have the job he has.

It's bullsh*t, and it has nothing to do with how he sounds. If you told people some random live track was Matt Jardine, but it was actually Foskett, I doubt most people here could tell. And really, it's about the same half-dozen guys who won't shut up about it.



I had no idea of Jeff's religious convictions and frankly could give a sh#t, dislike a chunk of Love You myself and admire anyone who's willing to take on the task of keeping an eye out for Brian. It still doesn't mean I can't find his falsetto annoying as hell.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 10:12:53 AM
If you want to believe that it's not as good as the Beatles albums then that's your opinion which I wholeheartedly respect.

Well, thanks for that anyway.  :-D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 10:14:56 AM
If you want to believe that it's not as good as the Beatles albums then that's your opinion which I wholeheartedly respect.

Well, thanks for that anyway.  :-D

"Let's be friends..."  :p


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 10:17:17 AM
Headquarters is better than most Beach Boys albums of that decade (60's)

That's complete horse poo.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 07, 2012, 10:21:23 AM
Haha. You're not in a good mood today, are you?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 10:24:26 AM
"Let's be friends..."  :p

Well after that somewhat lame statement saying O&O is better than any Beatle album, it's kinda hard to be friends with you.............but.............I guess it's OK.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 10:27:21 AM
Why thank you kind sir!  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 10:27:54 AM
Haha. You're not in a good mood today, are you?

Yeah, I'm fine!   Do you agree with Craig and Nickorama, R&R?   I can't.  I..........I just can't!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 07, 2012, 10:29:23 AM
Headquarters is better than most Beach Boys albums of that decade (60's)

That's complete horse poo.

It's at least better than half of their sixties output IMO.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 07, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
I'd rank O&O higher than the ever-overrated Sgt. Pepper any day of the week.









By the way, we're getting far off-topic, aren't we?  :-X


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 07, 2012, 10:33:14 AM
Haha. You're not in a good mood today, are you?

Yeah, I'm fine!   Do you agree with Craig and Nickorama, R&R?   I can't.  I..........I just can't!

Well, I would put Odessey in my top 5 favourite albums but it would be behind Revolver and The White Album. It would also be very close to Rubber Soul. So, I guess, in my opinion, it's better than lots of Beatles albums but that in no way reduces the greatness of those Beatles albums and certainly doesn't damage The Beatles position at the top of my favourite bands list.

As for Headquarters -- I do think it's a great album. It's certainly no better than Pet Sounds, Wild Honey or Today! but it may give some of the others a run for their money.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 07, 2012, 11:06:39 AM
When out and about on my estates, I only listen to the likes of Elgar, Vaughn Williams and Delius.  ;D

No Prokofiev?  Seriously, check out his piano Tocatta!

Wowzers!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 11:21:18 AM
I'd rank O&O higher than the ever-overrated Sgt. Pepper any day of the week.

Ahhhh, c'mon. Now you're reachin'. Next you're gonna say it's better than the White and Abbey Rd. "Odessey & Oracle" is a damn fine album for sure, but..................I dunnnnnno.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on March 07, 2012, 11:32:21 AM
I'd rank O&O higher than the ever-overrated Sgt. Pepper any day of the week.

Ahhhh, c'mon. Now you're reachin'. Next you're gonna say it's better than the White and Abbey Rd. "Odessey & Oracle" is a damn fine album for sure, but..................I dunnnnnno.

It depends on personal taste I guess.

Nothing on Sgt. Pepper stands out emotionally for me. Whereas on O&O each song is psychedelic/beautiful/emotional. Just my preference though.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 07, 2012, 11:37:44 AM
I'd rank O&O higher than the ever-overrated Sgt. Pepper any day of the week.

Ahhhh, c'mon. Now you're reachin'. Next you're gonna say it's better than the White and Abbey Rd. "Odessey & Oracle" is a damn fine album for sure, but..................I dunnnnnno.
Those are all very different pieces of music.. Regarding the Beatles catalogue I never really got the hype about Sgt. Pepper - in my book it's by far not their best LP. That's why I would rank O&O higher, any time. Okay, you can't really compare O&O musically with Abbey Road or The Beatles, but I'd say: it's on par with Abbey Road and also the white album. Both have superfluous tracks and songs I just don't care about sprinkled among the stand-out tracks. O&O on the other hand is consistent and maintains a damn fine quality of songs throughout.

But that's just taste, obviously..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 07, 2012, 11:41:32 AM
The gatehouse at Bellagio Manor:

(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/268310_10150706362495510_854765509_19892504_4704772_n.jpg)

... and the manor itself:

(http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/269470_10150706375580510_854765509_19892760_6133582_n.jpg)

It's not much, but I call it home.

HEY EVERYBODY!

PARTY AT ANDREW'S!!!!!!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 07, 2012, 11:46:54 AM
that's EXACTLY the kind of house I pictured AGD would live in for some reason.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 07, 2012, 11:47:07 AM

HEY EVERYBODY!

PARTY AT ANDREW'S!!!!!!

:woot


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: pixletwin on March 07, 2012, 11:47:40 AM
But you have to dress as your favorite Jane Austin character.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
Those are all very different pieces of music.. Regarding the Beatles catalogue I never really got the hype about Sgt. Pepper - in my book it's by far not their best LP. That's why I would rank O&O higher, any time. Okay, you can't really compare O&O musically with Abbey Road or The Beatles, but I'd say: it's on par with Abbey Road and also the white album. Both have superfluous tracks and songs I just don't care about sprinkled among the stand-out tracks. O&O on the other hand is consistent and maintains a damn fine quality of songs throughout. But that's just taste, obviously..

Good argument. Yeah, there's a lot of great albums you could put up against those and be in the ballpark. The best Stones, Kinks, and Who albums come immediately to mind....and of course it's a matter of opinion and taste.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 07, 2012, 12:32:53 PM
Well over 90 percent of the Foskett hate is because --

1.) He's Brian's "minder" on the road.

2.) He's an evangelical Christian.

3.) He doesn't like Love You.

In other words, people don't think he's cool enough to have the job he has.

It's bullsh*t, and it has nothing to do with how he sounds. If you told people some random live track was Matt Jardine, but it was actually Foskett, I doubt most people here could tell. And really, it's about the same half-dozen guys who won't shut up about it.



I've never posted before concerning Fosketts' voice.
The only reason I don't like it is because I simply don't like the quality of his falsetto.
I know it's tough to match Brians' in his peak years.  Jeffs' sounds too "thin" and he doesn't emote with his voice , it just sounds like him trying to approximate Brians. And he falls far too short of the mark.
I can't believe how many people think it's satisfactory.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 07, 2012, 12:37:23 PM
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Can you please elaborate on (and feel free to go into excruciatingly tedious detail) why you think Jeff's fallsetto doesn't cut it?  Would love to read your and everyone else's thoughts on that...

For me personally, his voice is too sterile, too clean.  Even when Brian's voice was pristine it still had some bite to it. It's like comparing Rod Stewart in the 70s to his (mostly) 70s covers album he did several years ago. One is the real deal, the other sounds like one of those K-Tel knockoffs. I'm not saying Foskett is a bad singer (far from it), just that I'm not that big of a fan as much as I could be.
Thanks, that's definitely part of it. I think  of what you call "bite" is sort of a "for lack of a better word" phlemy whininess" to Brians' great falsetto. And again, I don't hear foskett emoting. Brians' falsetto conveys  so much feeling, like unwritten words.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 07, 2012, 12:45:27 PM
Well over 90 percent of the Foskett hate is because --

1.) He's Brian's "minder" on the road.

2.) He's an evangelical Christian.

3.) He doesn't like Love You.

In other words, people don't think he's cool enough to have the job he has.

It's bullsh*t, and it has nothing to do with how he sounds. If you told people some random live track was Matt Jardine, but it was actually Foskett, I doubt most people here could tell. And really, it's about the same half-dozen guys who won't shut up about it.



I had no idea of Jeff's religious convictions and frankly could give a sh#t, dislike a chunk of Love You myself and admire anyone who's willing to take on the task of keeping an eye out for Brian. It still doesn't mean I can't find his falsetto annoying as hell.
Yep. And I don't think it's the mix or equipment, either. He just doesn't have the vocal chops for a satisfactory falsetto, imo. Not for Beach Boys music anyway.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 01:20:04 PM
Indeed. Not sure why you were so surprised that anyone should consider the album better than 8 (or 13) Beach Boys albums from that era though. A fairly widely held viewpoint.

Is it really? I mean, I know that the album is well-regarded, but the BBs have sustained a fairly high critical (and popular!) reputation for their '60s work, too.

Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

Now as I said, Headquarters is regularly listed as one of the top 100 albums of the 60s. Are all of the other BB albums from the era such as Smiley Smile and SDASN all considered in the same way?

The Monkees albums did indeed generally contain filler but almost all of The Beach Boys albums did as well.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 07, 2012, 01:21:26 PM
RE: Jeff o'the Foskett

Of course you can have problems with his falsetto, I'm not THAT much of a Brianista, but it's the 'Jeff Foskett is a proponent of Satan' talk that goes round from here that grates.

Someone posted a very valid point that a problem with Jeff doubling Brian is that their voices don't blend together well at all - I can dig that, especially in Brian's more shaky moments. But he doesn't deserve all the hate.

Besides, nobody can do Brian's 60's falsetto. Because it wasn't a falsetto  ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 07, 2012, 01:21:52 PM
Jeffs falsetto sticks out like a sore thumb

He seems like a nice guy though


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 07, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

5, actually - Surf's Up was released in 1971.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 07, 2012, 01:29:42 PM
RE: Jeff o'the Foskett

Besides, nobody can do Brian's 60's falsetto. Because it wasn't a falsetto  ;)
Geez, let us not get back on that topic, PLEASE!!!!! :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 01:40:47 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

5, actually - Surf's Up was released in 1971.

Surfin USA


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 07, 2012, 01:58:42 PM
I look at it this way: The Monkees were, after all, a damn fine band, even though they started out as a TV show.  A great writer and some great songs.  Not bad at all.

But the Beach Boys, well, the "peer group" of the Beach Boys is The Beatles.  That's it.  The end.
The Beach Boys AND The Beatles are the top o' the heap.  Everyone else is under them!

(I say this as a lifetime Beatles fan.)

Seriously, no one else is in the same "class" (i.e. musical level) as the Beach Boys and The Beatles.

Now, what the HECK was this thread about anyway?!?



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 02:01:33 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

Diddums.

If you think that Surfin' Safari is a better album then Headquarters then all power to you.

Not sure what Davy Jones's funeral being a private affair has to do with anything.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

That just seems irrelevant.

Regarding Foskett -- who can do better? The YT clip posted earlier suggests that Matt Jardine's voice has thinned out quite a bit. Adrian Baker is terrible. My take on it is that the falsetto slot is very hard to fill, period. Foskett isn't perfect, but to my ears he comes the closest, and is the most faithful to the music, of those available.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: meltedwhiskeyinmyhand on March 07, 2012, 02:05:09 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

Haha, thats rich, a Beach Boys fan making fun of a band member refusing to do reunion tours.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 07, 2012, 02:14:37 PM


Haha, thats rich, a Beach Boys fan making fun of a band member refusing to do reunion tours.

Indeed and there is a similarity, up to a point, between Mike's and Brian's situations.

Both going off to do successful (critically at least) solo careers which caused resentment among their bandmates. And occasionally tempted into reunions which never lasted too long.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 07, 2012, 02:56:22 PM
That just seems irrelevant.

Seems that way, huh Clayton?  I just threw that stuff out there for conjecture..........because I can.  Did you know that Mike Nesmith's Mom has been losing money on "White-out" since PC's and Mac's started coming out in the late 70's/early 80's? Hope she saved up her millions before then.

Don't harass me, now, Wirestone, or we'll have to take it to the Sandbox!!  :-D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: gsmile on March 07, 2012, 03:06:52 PM
I don't want to be a stick in the mud, because I find the Monkee debate fascinating, but maybe that conversation should get moved to the Music Forum; my heart leaps everytime I see the "new" icon next to this thread and I think it's actual news about the new Beach Boys album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 07, 2012, 03:08:30 PM
Hey Mods, here is a thought. Can this whole "discussion" be moved somewhere else? This wasonce intended to be a thread for the new Beach Boys album. I logged on today and saw thee news pages and actually thought I missed something.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 07, 2012, 03:41:24 PM
Great minds, huh?  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on March 07, 2012, 03:42:50 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

That just seems irrelevant.

Regarding Foskett -- who can do better? The YT clip posted earlier suggests that Matt Jardine's voice has thinned out quite a bit. Adrian Baker is terrible. My take on it is that the falsetto slot is very hard to fill, period. Foskett isn't perfect, but to my ears he comes the closest, and is the most faithful to the music, of those available.

I know this is off-topic, but hey this is what we end up talking about when there's no news on the album.

1. Regarding the falsetto parts and who can do them besides Foskett or Matt, the answer is easy: the guy who sings in Mike and Bruce's band. He has a straightforward, unaffected delivery and a thick and easy tone throughout his whole falsetto register. However, Foskett earned his place in this reunion: he's been involved for three decades with this music, has Brian's trust and friendship, and is IMO a more complete artist than any of the other possiblities. He can sing the high parts and do jusice to them and plays really good guitar in a band that's full of guitar players (for whatever reason, his playing has also been bashed in this very board).

2. Brian did sing falsetto in the early years. Period. The tag to Fun Fun Fun, about 80% of DWB, about 90% of She knows me too well, 50% of Don't talk... I can go on and on... But we can take it out of this topic if needed.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 04:26:12 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

That just seems irrelevant.

Regarding Foskett -- who can do better? The YT clip posted earlier suggests that Matt Jardine's voice has thinned out quite a bit. Adrian Baker is terrible. My take on it is that the falsetto slot is very hard to fill, period. Foskett isn't perfect, but to my ears he comes the closest, and is the most faithful to the music, of those available.

I know this is off-topic, but hey this is what we end up talking about when there's no news on the album.

1. Regarding the falsetto parts and who can do them besides Foskett or Matt, the answer is easy: the guy who sings in Mike and Bruce's band. He has a straightforward, unaffected delivery and a thick and easy tone throughout his whole falsetto register. However, Foskett earned his place in this reunion: he's been involved for three decades with this music, has Brian's trust and friendship, and is IMO a more complete artist than any of the other possiblities. He can sing the high parts and do jusice to them and plays really good guitar in a band that's full of guitar players (for whatever reason, his playing has also been bashed in this very board).

2. Brian did sing falsetto in the early years. Period. The tag to Fun Fun Fun, about 80% of DWB, about 90% of She knows me too well, 50% of Don't talk... I can go on and on... But we can take it out of this topic if needed.

1. Interesting. I guess that's Randall Kirsch. Here's DWB with him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OzFFLQiYuM. I like it!

2. I'm assuming you're talking about the touring. And it's true. But he never sang enough of it to qualify as the falsetto vocalist for the band -- he just did it now and then. I might quibble with your percentages -- he did all of DWB for quite awhile, although in a lower key. Not familiar with his version of SKMTW. And he did sing all of Don't Talk, at least at the Pet Sounds shows I saw -- again, in a lower key, but he definitely went into falsetto for it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 04:33:32 PM
I can understand why this might get moved, the thread's went off a little bit but I would like to chime in with one thing about the Jeff/Falsetto debate.

Why do we have to have just one guy do the falsetto? The fact is that some of the guys sound better on some songs, Matt Jardine was/is untouchable on things like Hushabye and the tag at the end of All This Is That whereas Jeff is better on other songs. I will say that I never ever liked Jeff's vocal on I Get Around, it doesn't work for me, i'd prefer someone like Randall Kirsch do that.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 07, 2012, 04:46:09 PM
I can understand why this might get moved, the thread's went off a little bit but I would like to chime in with one thing about the Jeff/Falsetto debate.

Why do we have to have just one guy do the falsetto? The fact is that some of the guys sound better on some songs, Matt Jardine was/is untouchable on things like Hushabye and the tag at the end of All This Is That whereas Jeff is better on other songs. I will say that I never ever liked Jeff's vocal on I Get Around, it doesn't work for me, i'd prefer someone like Randall Kirsch do that.

I think it's perfectly fine to have this thread ebb and flow. It's not like there was much new news when it was focused, either. I did start a thread awhile back called "Let's all argue about Jeff Foskett here," but I accidentally put it in the "Welcome to the Smiley Smile Board" section. If some mod could move that into the "general discussions" section, we could migrate this talk over there.

I do think your point is good, but the problem is that you have to have a manageable group, size-wise, to tour with. It would be a strain on the budget to tour with five falsetto singers!

That being said, I know more people in Brian's band are capable of falsetto. I believe Probyn can sing in that range, for example, although with less power than Jeff. And of course Taylor did a few "falsetto" parts here and there.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on March 07, 2012, 05:00:13 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

That just seems irrelevant.

Regarding Foskett -- who can do better? The YT clip posted earlier suggests that Matt Jardine's voice has thinned out quite a bit. Adrian Baker is terrible. My take on it is that the falsetto slot is very hard to fill, period. Foskett isn't perfect, but to my ears he comes the closest, and is the most faithful to the music, of those available.

I know this is off-topic, but hey this is what we end up talking about when there's no news on the album.

1. Regarding the falsetto parts and who can do them besides Foskett or Matt, the answer is easy: the guy who sings in Mike and Bruce's band. He has a straightforward, unaffected delivery and a thick and easy tone throughout his whole falsetto register. However, Foskett earned his place in this reunion: he's been involved for three decades with this music, has Brian's trust and friendship, and is IMO a more complete artist than any of the other possiblities. He can sing the high parts and do jusice to them and plays really good guitar in a band that's full of guitar players (for whatever reason, his playing has also been bashed in this very board).

2. Brian did sing falsetto in the early years. Period. The tag to Fun Fun Fun, about 80% of DWB, about 90% of She knows me too well, 50% of Don't talk... I can go on and on... But we can take it out of this topic if needed.

1. Interesting. I guess that's Randall Kirsch. Here's DWB with him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OzFFLQiYuM. I like it!

2. I'm assuming you're talking about the touring. And it's true. But he never sang enough of it to qualify as the falsetto vocalist for the band -- he just did it now and then. I might quibble with your percentages -- he did all of DWB for quite awhile, although in a lower key. Not familiar with his version of SKMTW. And he did sing all of Don't Talk, at least at the Pet Sounds shows I saw -- again, in a lower key, but he definitely went into falsetto for it.

I'm sorry. Point 2. was addressed at another poster who said that Brian's falsetto was not falsetto.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 05:09:15 PM
I can understand why this might get moved, the thread's went off a little bit but I would like to chime in with one thing about the Jeff/Falsetto debate.

Why do we have to have just one guy do the falsetto? The fact is that some of the guys sound better on some songs, Matt Jardine was/is untouchable on things like Hushabye and the tag at the end of All This Is That whereas Jeff is better on other songs. I will say that I never ever liked Jeff's vocal on I Get Around, it doesn't work for me, i'd prefer someone like Randall Kirsch do that.

I think it's perfectly fine to have this thread ebb and flow. It's not like there was much new news when it was focused, either. I did start a thread awhile back called "Let's all argue about Jeff Foskett here," but I accidentally put it in the "Welcome to the Smiley Smile Board" section. If some mod could move that into the "general discussions" section, we could migrate this talk over there.

I do think your point is good, but the problem is that you have to have a manageable group, size-wise, to tour with. It would be a strain on the budget to tour with five falsetto singers!

That being said, I know more people in Brian's band are capable of falsetto. I believe Probyn can sing in that range, for example, although with less power than Jeff. And of course Taylor did a few "falsetto" parts here and there.

Obviously the size of the band has to be taken into account but like you say there are other people in the band already who could cover some of those parts. Probyn has a great voice, I think he covers Bruce's part at the end of California Girls doesn't he? I'm sure I seen him sing that part and he captured the essence and character of that line perfectly.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 07, 2012, 05:15:58 PM
Dr Lenny, according to the highly esteemed, and well-trained in the field of music poster aeijtzsche, Brian sings in a very high head voice, which accounts for his very full tone up in those ranges. Falsetto is just a term for 'high vocals' no matter what is actually going on. I was also kidding a little  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 07, 2012, 06:05:44 PM
1. Regarding the falsetto parts and who can do them besides Foskett or Matt, the answer is easy: the guy who sings in Mike and Bruce's band. He has a straightforward, unaffected delivery and a thick and easy tone throughout his whole falsetto register. However, Foskett earned his place in this reunion: he's been involved for three decades with this music, has Brian's trust and friendship, and is IMO a more complete artist than any of the other possiblities. He can sing the high parts and do jusice to them and plays really good guitar in a band that's full of guitar players (for whatever reason, his playing has also been bashed in this very board).

There are actually two people taking the falsetto parts in Mike & Bruce's band - Randell Kirsch and Scott Totten. Randell (who's actually collaborated with Foskett off and on for more than thirty years) has a thicker, stronger voice, while Scott has a thinner voice but appears to be able to hit the high notes more comfortably than Randell. They often double each other. Randell will take leads like Don't Worry Baby which are at the low end of the falsetto. Scott takes fewer leads, but when he does (Let Him Run Wild, Ballad Of Ole Betsy) he's scarily good - he sounds spookily like mid-60s Brian on Let Him Run Wild.

Scott T is in the touring band for the reunion tour, so hopefully we'll see him take the 'Brian' parts of the harmony stack while Jeff takes 'Carl', as that would suit both their voices.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 07, 2012, 06:15:58 PM
A lot of people seem interested in micro managing Beach Boy decisions, about who should
sing the falsetto, who should produce, what the new songs should emulate in terms of past work.
Who should get to co-write, how many they should get to co-write. Which archival songs  they
should rework for the new album. What artwork they should use.

I have never seen a band so beloved on the one hand, and where those same people believe
they know what decisions should be made, rather than the band itself. It's very odd, I love the
Beach boys, but they should do this, and not do that, this is wrong, this is right.

How can you say you love a band on the one hand, and want to micromanage and control
everything on the other? from the songwriting, to the vocal blend, to the artwork, archival tracks
choice of producer, and on and on and on. How can you love something if you have no faith or
interest in the choices they themselves make?
for one percent of the overall information on the album. They chose to go with a guy who has been with
them 25-30 years. They could have picked somebody else, they could have asked Jimmy Webb to write songs
or McCartney, they could flown to Hawaii to get a tropical vibe, with a mobile studio on a beach, they could
have hired a hip younger backing band with some rock n roll chops, they could have brought in a true  name
producer with chops on these sort of new old album from old sixties people. Producers like Rick Rubin, or T Bone
Burnett. Or even Jeff Lynne. They could have brought in Van Dyke Parks, they could have done anything, but
they made some decisions and that's the way it is.

Nobody does this to the Stones or Bob Dylan or Paul McCartney, or Bruce Springsteen, you don't see threads
no no they should fire that drummer, they hire this guy, why is it with the Beach Boys, people do this? Like
they don't have brains of their own or something.

As far as comparing the Monkees to a real band or comparing discographies between the Beach Boys and Monkees
it would be more fair to compare Boyce and Hart, and say that Boyce and Hart used the Monkees as their vehicle.
Not unlike saying all the Phil Spector sixties groups were really him as the actual artist, and the groups merely his
vehicle. When the Monkees indeed began to write and produce their own aterial, no one liked it very much. Which is
why Lester Sill or whoever was running the deal didn't want them writing and producing in the first place.

Nesmith did go on to a critically acclaimed solo career, but to my knowledge ever had a hit record of any stature
whatsoever. None of that is really a fair comparison to the artistry of Brian Wilson.

As far as comparing the Zombies Odyssey and Oracle album as a great work worthy to stand alongside other great
sixties works, that's valid, I agree with AGD and his point, that was something when he heard it, it was like wow this
is great work, brilliant. The Monkees were not even in that league. The Monkees hits were good because Boyce and Hart
and Neil Diamond and people like that wrote those songs, great people played the tracks, and good producers supervised
but the real artists were Boyce and Hart and the wrecking crew not the Monkees themselves, they were merely a vehicle
to frame the work.


Is there any news whatsoever about the album., are they in the studio, what are they doing, how many songs are
scheduled for the album, apparently they cut all the backing tracks first, and are now going back to do all the vocals
that in itself is very interesting, and recalls the methods used on Pet Sounds and other albums. That is not a given that
you would do it that way, very often you wouldn't do it that way. you would work on one or two, go back cut another
track, work on that , cut one or two more, etc etc.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 07, 2012, 06:26:20 PM
Oh actually I forgot about Scotty T and his vocal on Betsy, i'm sure they did it when I seen them in 08 and I was mighty impressed then!

The reason we have opinions on who should sing what is surely because we're fans? Why should fans sit back and have no opinion on details like that? And let's be honest, with all due respect to my favourite group, at various points in the bands history they've shown their decision making to be dubious at best. I mean do you think it was really the best idea to force Brian out front in the early 80's and have him tackle leads like Don't Worry Baby? You mention McCartney and Springsteen's bands and I agree to the best of my knowledge their fans don't argue on details like we do here. Looking beyond that though, the BB's have an unprecedented number of quality vocalists connected with the band in one way or another so it's only natural that we start asking things like - "Would such and such sound better on that part of the song?" Personally I love Darian's voice and he really channels Carl when he sings Darlin' but I don't like it when he sings Bruce's part at the end of God Only Knows and think that Probyn would be a better fit for this in Brian's live shows, obviously Bruce will handle this part himself on the reunion tour.

I wish we had some album news to talk about!!  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Phoenix on March 07, 2012, 07:27:22 PM
Sure they do. But Headquarters does have a much better reputation that SS, SU, LDC, SDV2, Concert and Party. That's 6 for a start.

BFD. I gotcher effing reputation right here.  I'll take all those Beach Boys albums over 'Headquarters' all day and all night.

Headquarters.  From a group who can't even show up to Davy Jones' funeral!  Mike Nesmith didn't even want to join their reunions because of his huge ego! And when the 3 of them did reunite on the road, they couldn't do it for longer than a few months, if that!

That just seems irrelevant.

Regarding Foskett -- who can do better? The YT clip posted earlier suggests that Matt Jardine's voice has thinned out quite a bit. Adrian Baker is terrible. My take on it is that the falsetto slot is very hard to fill, period. Foskett isn't perfect, but to my ears he comes the closest, and is the most faithful to the music, of those available.


My sentiments EXACTLY!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 07, 2012, 07:35:41 PM
Just to say something on topic, I am so excited for this album  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 07, 2012, 07:49:07 PM
Just to say something on topic, I am so excited for this album  ;D

Awesome.  And I can't stand Adrian Baker, Randell Kirsch or the Monkees (what the heck, may as well chime in)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 07, 2012, 07:49:39 PM
Yeah Craig Boyd, I understand, and live is something else. But for the studio, opinions is one thing
Oh I think Matt Jardine would have been better on the falsetto, thats an opinion. But it goes way
beyond that, it gets into minutiea

and rancor, I can easily see why they went with the guy who is close to Wilson for some 30 years
now, if you were trying to get a guy, to duplicate the original falsetto sound, they probably could have
found some guy off the street via auditions, but realistically, in most cases, you pick someone who is
part of your crowd, when the Stones got Ron Wood, it was as much for his being a mate, and fitting in
that way, there are always zillions of guys who can play or sing, but the chemistry of fitting in at rehearsal
and sitting in the studio and the personal vibe is important, I can certainly understand why they made that
choice.

It goes beyond opinions. it gets into micro managing, something I have not seen before in fan sites for
other groups, with passionate followers.

Can someone give us some news about the albums progress or song titles or some kind of info we don't have yet.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Sound of Free on March 07, 2012, 07:52:43 PM
Wow, talk about a buzzkill.

I'm off the board for a couple of days and see that the "new album" thread that had been proceeding slowly has seven new pages!

Have more song titles come out? Has one of the band members given a big interview dropping hints of great new tunes? Maybe even a track has leaked!

What? It's almost all about the Monkees?  :(

Although since we're still debating a title for the new Beach Boys album, maybe they can call it "Gemini, Pisces, Virgo, Leo and Johnston."  ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jonathan Blum on March 07, 2012, 08:59:36 PM
As far as comparing the Monkees to a real band or comparing discographies between the Beach Boys and Monkees it would be more fair to compare Boyce and Hart, and say that Boyce and Hart used the Monkees as their vehicle.

...I think the phrase might be "their f***in' messengers".  :-)  And again, as with the Beach Boys when Brian stepped back, the messengers proved they could do damn good stuff without them.

Incidentally, AGD -- if you look for one Monkees deep cut, I'd suggest "Goin' Down" (not on any actual album, but the B-side to "Daydream Believer").  It's the one that converted me.  And yeah, the Monkees didn't write those lyrics -- Diane Hildebrand was their Tony Asher...

Cheers,
Jon Blum


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Phoenix on March 07, 2012, 10:40:56 PM
As far as comparing the Monkees to a real band or comparing discographies between the Beach Boys and Monkees
it would be more fair to compare Boyce and Hart, and say that Boyce and Hart used the Monkees as their vehicle.
Not unlike saying all the Phil Spector sixties groups were really him as the actual artist, and the groups merely his
vehicle. When the Monkees indeed began to write and produce their own aterial, no one liked it very much. Which is
why Lester Sill or whoever was running the deal didn't want them writing and producing in the first place.

Just two points of clarification:

1.  Kirshner was the one in charge of the music at the beginning and he didn't want them writing, not for lack of talent but because it was his job to get songs for the group.  Even under Kirshner, Nesmith was promised two spots on each album to be written and produced by him so it wasn't like he thought they (or at least Mike had NO talent.)  Once Raybert (specifically Bert Schneider) sided with the group over Kirshner, he was out of a job, just like he knew he'd be.  (Sill was put in place as the liaison between the band and the songwriters and studios, once Kirshner was gone.) 

The problem is, the Monkees didn't mind outside songwriters.  Why would they, since the majority of them (not the ones Kirshner was giving album slots to just because they were his personal friends) were top notch craftsmen (and women)?  They also didn't mind supplemental players (as they did use a handful, sparingly, even on Headquarters).  The control they wanted was the opportunity to perform on the instrumental tracks (rather than be forbidden to) and the right to approve or veto any of the musical supervisor's choices.  And even the second request isn't as crazy as it sounds when you listen to Kirshner approved tracks like "Laugh" and (their absolute worst track, hands down) "The Day We Fall In Love".


2.  As for the Monkees being Boyce & Hart's messengers, that's another exaggerated myth.  Tommy (when he was alive) and Bobby have at least one song on every original Monkees album, with the exception of Head and 1996's fully self-penned Justus.  However, they only produced the majority of ONE Monkees album (their debut).  Kirshner was behind the eight ball when he was hired so he gave the album (with the exception of Mike's two tracks) to Boyce & Hart, because time was running out and they could work fast and cheap.  While they put together the album, Kirshner starting mining his resources for the next LP.  By the time it was released Boyce & Hart were just as surprised as Nesmith, as both he and them were led to believe the second album would be "theirs".  (Nesmith was promised more songs and a greater say, while Boyce & Hart were told the album would be made up completely of songs from their sessions with the group.  As it was, both of those entities (Nesmith and Boyce & Hart) got only two songs each on the second album.

In the end, the Monkees recorded a bunch of Tommy & Bobby's songs because they liked them personally (and therefore worked well with them) and they respected them as songwriters, and further appreciated that they could write specifically for the group's main vocalists and overall sound (since they helped establish it).  However,  The Monkees only RELEASED a total of 20 songs on 10 albums (including 8 on their debut) during the 60's.  Since then, they've released two initially unreleased tracks on the Missing Links rarities collection and two more new (at the time) Bobby Hart tracks during the 80's.  That's a grand total of 24.  By comparison, they're released 22 written by Nesmith during the 60's, with an additional 12 since, for a total of 36!

And just for the sake of curiosity here's a few more breakdowns:
Gerry Goffin and/or Carole King - 10 + 4 = 14 (The second largest number of songs provided by any outside songwriters, behind Boyce & Hart)
Micky Dolenz - 8 + 9 = 17
Davy Jones - 8 + 9 = 17
Peter Tork - 6 + 7 = 13

So contrary to popular belief, Boyce & Hart weren't nearly as much as "the guys who wrote 'em", as we've been led to believe.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 07, 2012, 11:38:23 PM
In the defence of Davy Jones, as the heartthrob of the group, he was often handed slush to make all the little girls gooey.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 07, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
As far as comparing the Monkees to a real band or comparing discographies between the Beach Boys and Monkees
it would be more fair to compare Boyce and Hart, and say that Boyce and Hart used the Monkees as their vehicle.
Not unlike saying all the Phil Spector sixties groups were really him as the actual artist, and the groups merely his
vehicle. When the Monkees indeed began to write and produce their own aterial, no one liked it very much. Which is
why Lester Sill or whoever was running the deal didn't want them writing and producing in the first place.

Just two points of clarification:

1.  Kirshner was the one in charge of the music at the beginning and he didn't want them writing, not for lack of talent but because it was his job to get songs for the group.  Even under Kirshner, Nesmith was promised two spots on each album to be written and produced by him so it wasn't like he thought they (or at least Mike had NO talent.)  Once Raybert (specifically Bert Schneider) sided with the group over Kirshner, he was out of a job, just like he knew he'd be.  (Sill was put in place as the liaison between the band and the songwriters and studios, once Kirshner was gone.) 

The problem is, the Monkees didn't mind outside songwriters.  Why would they, since the majority of them (not the ones Kirshner was giving album slots to just because they were his personal friends) were top notch craftsmen (and women)?  The also didn't mind supplemental players (as they did use a handful, sparingly, even on Headquarters).  The control they wanted was the opportunity to perform on the instrumental tracks (rather than be forbidden to) and the right to approve or veto any of the musical supervisor's choices.  And even the second request isn't as crazy as it sounds when you listen to Kirshner approved tracks like "Laugh" and (their absolute worst track, hands down) "The Day We Fall In Love".


2.  As for the Monkees being Boyce & Hart's messengers, that's another exaggerated myth.  Tommy (when he was alive) and Bobby have at least one song on every original Monkees album, with the exception Head and 1996's fully self-penned Justus.  However, they only produced the majority of ONE Monkees album (their debut).  Kirshner was behind the eight ball when he was hired so he gave the album (with the exception of Mike's two tracks) to Boyce & Hart, because time was running out and they could work fast and cheap.  While they put together the album, Kirshner starting mining his resources for the next LP.  By the time it was released Boyce & Hart were just as surprised as Nesmith, as both he and them were led to believe the second album would be "theirs".  (Nesmith was promised more songs and a greater say, while Boyce & Hart were told the album would be made up completely of songs from their sessions with the group.  As it was, both of those entities (Nesmith and Boyce & Hart) got only two songs each on the second album.

In the end, the Monkees recorded a bunch of Tommy & Bobby's songs because they liked them personally (and therefore worked well with them) and they respected them as songwriters, and further appreciated that they could write specifically for the group's main vocalists and overall sound (since they helped establish it).  However,  The Monkees only RELEASED a total of 20 songs on 10 albums (including 8 on their debut) during the 60's.  Since then, they've released two initially unreleased tracks on the Missing Links rarities collection and two more new (at the time) Bobby Hart tracks during the 80's.  That's a grand total of 24.  By comparison, they're released 22 written by Nesmith during the 60's, with an additional 12 since, for a total of 36!

And just for the sake of curiosity here's a few more breakdowns:
Gerry Goffin and/or Carole King - 10 + 4 = 14 (The second largest number of songs provided by any outside songwriters, behind Boyce & Hart)
Micky Dolenz - 8 + 9 = 17
Davy Jones - 8 + 9 = 17
Peter Tork - 6 + 7 = 13

So contrary to popular belief, Boyce & Hart weren't nearly as much as "the guys who wrote 'em", as we've been led to believe.


That's a very good synopsis of the credits and story behind it. I think since the first album launched them that first album was a vehicle
for Boyce and Hart. In so far as the songwriting credits, by the band, no doubt Nesmith had the goods, but he couldn't write "hit monkee songs"
Dolen I think was a decent Lead vocalist, sounds good on a lot of their best tunes. The original songs they wrote, were not generally well regarded
by the public at the time, but hey I like their hits, and grew up with them, and liked the TV show.

I remember Richie Podolor had a group Fountain of Youth with Jimmy Panza and Gary Itri, trying to cash in on that whole craze, and Lester
Sill was behind that whole deal with Colgems or whatever it was called.

Its a fascinating expose of how the LA session machine worked , the LA sound in te sixties, similar to the Beach Boy machine except the Monkees
couldn't sing great harmony and didint have a Brian Wilson, in their membership.

I like the LA sound, I grew up with it, and I think it's important to recognize, that while the LA groups were not self contained entities with the in house
talent of the Beatles or Beach Boys, the wrecking crew, Boyce and Hart, a lot of the writers, the LA product was just as hip and slick as the London product
but the LA product was more manufactured by industry people and packaged as a group. of course there were some great LA groups, like the Beach Boys
but there were lots of great records made, but they were usually assembled by a crew of producers. session men, impresarios....but shortly after that an
explosion of self contained California groups began recording to great success with their own songs, self contained units, Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night, Iron Butterfly, Electric Prunes, Byrd's and many others. When Jim Gordon and Glen Campbell, and Hal Blaine and Tedesco and Leon Russell, are cutting your tracks
those are some pretty good people.

But the monkees were a manufactured parcelled out thing, bands rehearse, grow up together, develop their own sounds, have a signature and unique element to their style, the drumming or writing or the sound of the guys voice, the Monkees were very generic, Nesmith did go on to be something, but he couldn't really
do the Monkee hit single thing....






Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Phoenix on March 08, 2012, 12:29:40 AM
You bring up a lot of great points that people tend to forget.  The difference between London and L.A was like day and night.  In L.A., "everyone" used session musicians; usually the same guys.   Melcher even (initially) used the Wrecking Crew with the Byrds, leaving McGuinn the only band member playing on "Mr. Tambourine Man".  I understand the circumstances that brought the Monkees together but with the L.A. recording scene being what it was, they were more of a "real" band than most of them.  Groups like the Temptations or The Mamas and The Papas all used backing musicians but you never saw Mama Cass or any "band member" behind the drums when they went on tour. 

The Monkees live shows always get forgotten (or never known about).  Not only were their shows longer than most of their contemporaries, they actually put on a real show, using stuff like multimedia and costume changes from day one.  And with the exception of the band's opening act backing three of the four individual Monkees' solo spots, it was just those four guys on stage.  Even after Tork left in 1969, the band's next appearance (on the Glen Campbell Goodtime Hour) saw the band perform as a three piece, with Jones on bass.  (On that performance, they mimed to their newest single but played a live medley of their hits).  It was only for the 1969 tour that they first played with ANY backing musicians (aside from the previously mentioned solo spots).

One last thing to think about when considering them being a "real" band (beyond their origins) is that absolutely no backing musicians were used on their 1996 album AND on more than half (one full set, plus the encores) of each performance on their 1997 British tour.  That's something many "real" bands like The Beach Boys, The Eagles, The Bee Gees, and The Rolling Stones haven't done for a very, very long time.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 08, 2012, 04:24:35 AM

Its a fascinating expose of how the LA session machine worked , the LA sound in te sixties, similar to the Beach Boy machine except the Monkees
couldn't sing great harmony and didint have a Brian Wilson, in their membership.

Actually they *could* sing great harmony, they just didn't very often because that wasn't their sound - go to youtube and watch the video of them singing Riu Chiu together - that's as good an a capella performance as I've seen.

Quote
But the monkees were a manufactured parcelled out thing, bands rehearse, grow up together, develop their own sounds, have a signature and unique element to their style, the drumming or writing or the sound of the guys voice, the Monkees were very generic, Nesmith did go on to be something, but he couldn't really
do the Monkee hit single thing....

The Monkees *did* do all that - just after, rather than before, their first two albums. And they did have a unique sound - Micky Dolenz's voice.

BTW some people in this thread seem to be crediting the Wrecking Crew for playing on the early Monkees records. They played on very little, and none of the hits. The sessions produced by Boyce & Hart used Boyce & Hart's band, The Candy Store Prophets, augmented by a couple of other musicians. The sessions produced by Jeff Barry or Goffin & King used New York session players. On the first two albums it's actually only Nesmith's tracks, plus Laugh and The Day We Fall In Love (the two mentioned earlier as the two worst tracks they ever did - also the only two Carol Kaye is known to have played on) that the Wrecking Crew played on. And Peter Tork played on the Nesmith tracks too.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 08, 2012, 04:37:20 AM
As far as comparing the Monkees to a real band or comparing discographies between the Beach Boys and Monkees
it would be more fair to compare Boyce and Hart, and say that Boyce and Hart used the Monkees as their vehicle.
Not unlike saying all the Phil Spector sixties groups were really him as the actual artist, and the groups merely his
vehicle. When the Monkees indeed began to write and produce their own aterial, no one liked it very much. Which is
why Lester Sill or whoever was running the deal didn't want them writing and producing in the first place.

Except that they had more hit singles after the Monkees took over making their own records than before, as well as the huge hit albums Headquarters (second biggest selling album of 67 after Sgt Pepper), Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn and Jones Ltd, and The Birds, The Bees And The Monkees.

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The Monkees hits were good because Boyce and Hart
and Neil Diamond and people like that wrote those songs, great people played the tracks, and good producers supervised
but the real artists were Boyce and Hart and the wrecking crew not the Monkees themselves, they were merely a vehicle
to frame the work.

Pleasant Valley Sunday and Daydream Believer, two of the very biggest hits the band ever had, featured the band instrumentally, were arranged by Peter Tork and Chip Douglas, and were produced by Chip Douglas (a friend of Nesmith's who'd never produced before being asked by Nesmith to produce the Monkees' records). Randy Scouse Git, a huge hit in the UK, was written by Micky Dolenz and had all four Monkees playing on it. The Wrecking Crew played on precisely zero of the Monkees' hits.

Even if the Wrecking Crew had played on every track, though, why is someone playing a bass part written by someone else more of a 'real artist' than someone singing a vocal melody written by someone else?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on March 08, 2012, 04:42:01 AM
Dr Lenny, according to the highly esteemed, and well-trained in the field of music poster aeijtzsche, Brian sings in a very high head voice, which accounts for his very full tone up in those ranges. Falsetto is just a term for 'high vocals' no matter what is actually going on. I was also kidding a little  ;D

Yeah, I know what Josh thinks, and I esteem him. However, that's a field I kinda know about, and H's views are extremely debatable. We could start a thread on this and support our views with examples. But let's get back to Foskett or, better, the new album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 08, 2012, 05:48:07 AM
Dr Lenny, according to the highly esteemed, and well-trained in the field of music poster aeijtzsche, Brian sings in a very high head voice, which accounts for his very full tone up in those ranges. Falsetto is just a term for 'high vocals' no matter what is actually going on. I was also kidding a little  ;D

Yeah, I know what Josh thinks, and I esteem him. However, that's a field I kinda know about, and H's views are extremely debatable. We could start a thread on this and support our views with examples. But let's get back to Foskett or, better, the new album.

Quite so.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 08, 2012, 09:23:51 AM
Nez wrote "The Girl That I Knew Somewhere" which was a huge hit and is also my favourite Monkees song.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 08, 2012, 09:35:38 AM
Nez wrote "The Girl That I Knew Somewhere" which was a huge hit and is also my favourite Monkees song.


The Girl That I knew Somewhere, peaked at #39 for one week. So yes it did crack the top 40. I don't if I would classify
that as a "Huge Hit" however.

It does prove that self penned songs did crack the top 40 in the Monkees legacy.


I would love to get into some new details about the forthcoming new studio album
by the BEACH BOYS wow fantastic

Can someone save us with just a bit of news regarding the album! It is nearly mid March after all
the single should be puttering along in the next six weeks or so dontcha think?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Sam_BFC on March 08, 2012, 09:41:37 AM
Dr Lenny, according to the highly esteemed, and well-trained in the field of music poster aeijtzsche, Brian sings in a very high head voice, which accounts for his very full tone up in those ranges. Falsetto is just a term for 'high vocals' no matter what is actually going on. I was also kidding a little  ;D

Yeah, I know what Josh thinks, and I esteem him. However, that's a field I kinda know about, and H's views are extremely debatable. We could start a thread on this and support our views with examples. But let's get back to Foskett or, better, the new album.

We did have a debate about it a while back

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,9940.0.html


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 08, 2012, 09:43:17 AM
Nez wrote "The Girl That I Knew Somewhere" which was a huge hit and is also my favourite Monkees song.


The Girl That I knew Somewhere, peaked at #39 for one week. So yes it did crack the top 40. I don't if I would classify
that as a "Huge Hit" however.

It does prove that self penned songs did crack the top 40 in the Monkees legacy.


I would love to get into some new details about the forthcoming new studio album
by the BEACH BOYS wow fantastic

Can someone save us with just a bit of news regarding the album! It is nearly mid March after all
the single should be puttering along in the next six weeks or so dontcha think?


The Nesmith song by the way, was the "B: side of an actual single, which was a big hit called A little Bit me a little bit you
which is probably what propelled the B side by Nesmith onto the charts, because the A side was a smash number two on the
Billboard hot 100

The Monkees I believe had a total, including everything of a dozen top 40 hits basically in a two or three year period.
By Contrast   Wings had about 28 in the seventies. Elton John had about 29, Billy Joel had a ton, Three Dog Night had 23
so while a dozen is a lot, there are probably, oh I don't know 40-50 groups who beat that total. Or more.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 08, 2012, 10:05:08 AM

I thought this thread was titled: Nez album info (as it rolls out...)

LOL


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: slickman9696 on March 08, 2012, 11:21:13 AM
Yea, I didn't think the new album was a cover album of Monkees material or Foskett's falsetto. We need to get this puppy back on topic.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 08, 2012, 11:26:20 AM
Yea, I didn't think the new album was a cover album of Monkees material or Foskett's falsetto. We need to get this puppy back on topic.

Go for it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 08, 2012, 11:31:11 AM
So we can pretty much scratch off the idea that the new album will be released in time for the tour, eh?

If they finish it in the next few weeks...we should expect it by summer and during that time they'll be right in the middle of the US tour.  Do we think they'll still add the new songs to the set like they were thinking of doing?  It would be pretty bold for them to include them in the show when the album hasn't been released yet.  


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 08, 2012, 12:01:10 PM
I just wanna pre order this puppy already...

And the new box set, my visa is ready


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 08, 2012, 12:36:25 PM
So we can pretty much scratch off the idea that the new album will be released in time for the tour, eh?

Well, there's still nearly two months to go until the tour begins. My entirely uneducated guess is that we will hear something from the album -- if only a digital single -- before the tour starts, or at about the same time. And they'll play that tune at the shows.

I've said for awhile that I expect the album to be released in May or early June. Either way, they will still have many shows in the tour yet to play, and the summer will be stretching ahead.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 08, 2012, 12:40:35 PM
So we can pretty much scratch off the idea that the new album will be released in time for the tour, eh?

If they finish it in the next few weeks...we should expect it by summer and during that time they'll be right in the middle of the US tour.  Do we think they'll still add the new songs to the set like they were thinking of doing?  It would be pretty bold for them to include them in the show when the album hasn't been released yet.  


Well if that's true, maybe we can hold out hope, that the lead off single will precede the full album by 2-4 weeks
which would be normal, and we can at least hear that, (possibly with a B side) for a few weeks while we await
the main course.

I am not aware if singles typically precede the full album by a few weeks, as used to be the norm. But I don't see
why they couldn't do that. Perhpas the album is further along than we know, and they pull our leg and give us info
thats a few weeks out of date when they do one of their press blurbs. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened
in rock cloak and dagger

What are the odds running right now, that "that;s why God made the radio will be the lead single. I'd have to say
two to one in favor of it, from the way they kept alluding to it.


When does the tour begin by the way? how much more time is there?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 08, 2012, 01:02:45 PM
No news yet on the new album?
Ok, let's get back to micro-managing the band!
If we have permission, of course.


Someone mentioned the guy in Mike Loves' band that did the falsetto on "Ballad Of Ol' Betsy". I'd completely  forgotten about that as I'd seen them do that live a few years ago. I wasn't expecting much vocally from Mikes' Beach Boys,  as I'd already seen Brian and his band perform many times . I have to say I was pleasantly surprised and actually somewhat blown away at how good the vocals were in his show.
As a fan of the BEACH BOYS as an entity dating back to the beginning, I reserve the right to discuss what I feel they could possibly benefit from. I belong to no subset of fans in any specified "camp", but certainly acknowledge and love the  genius of Brian. I was aware since about age 10 in the  mid-'60s, that Brian was the magical force behind the music. Watching those orange and yellow swirls on the turntable with the writing credits of Brian Wilson-Mike Love and "Produced by Brian Wilson" made it obvious even though I didn't know what "producing" entailed at the time. Seeing those credits on a record guaranteed that there would be something outstanding emanating from those grooves.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AndrewHickey on March 08, 2012, 01:24:06 PM
Someone mentioned the guy in Mike Loves' band that did the falsetto on "Ballad Of Ol' Betsy". I'd completely  forgotten about that as I'd seen them do that live a few years ago. I wasn't expecting much vocally from Mikes' Beach Boys,  as I'd already seen Brian and his band perform many times . I have to say I was pleasantly surprised and actually somewhat blown away at how good the vocals were in his show.

Yeah - Scott Totten and John Cowsill are both *extraordinarily* good singers, Randell Kirsch can be very good indeed, and Christian Love is limited but when he's got the right material he can sound spookily like Carl.
With Totten and Cowsill added to most of Brian's band, we should be in for some vocally spectacular shows.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 08, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
Someone mentioned the guy in Mike Loves' band that did the falsetto on "Ballad Of Ol' Betsy". I'd completely  forgotten about that as I'd seen them do that live a few years ago. I wasn't expecting much vocally from Mikes' Beach Boys,  as I'd already seen Brian and his band perform many times . I have to say I was pleasantly surprised and actually somewhat blown away at how good the vocals were in his show.

Yeah - Scott Totten and John Cowsill are both *extraordinarily* good singers, Randell Kirsch can be very good indeed, and Christian Love is limited but when he's got the right material he can sound spookily like Carl.
With Totten and Cowsill added to most of Brian's band, we should be in for some vocally spectacular shows.
That's good indeed.  Hopefully they'll be open to including them on the new album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 08, 2012, 01:54:24 PM
I think Christian Love not being included in the reunion (whether it was his choice or someone else's) is pretty unfortunate. His vocals on Mike's solo album are great.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on March 08, 2012, 03:08:44 PM
The Monkees I believe had a total, including everything of a dozen top 40 hits basically in a two or three year period.

They had exactly 12 which is the same amount as these artists that are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame:

Bob Dylan, Donovan, The Hollies, Jackson Browne, Martha & The Vandellas, R.E.M., The Righteous Brothers and The Shirelles. That's pretty good company. However, they're hardly amongst the luminaries when it comes to Billboard chart hits. I counted 193 names with more Top 40 hits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-charting_U.S._music_artists (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-charting_U.S._music_artists)

However, I do think that that The Monkees stand up favorably compared to similar artists in the Hall of Fame that had a great run of sixties hits. The Lovin' Spoonful, The Small Faces, The Rascals and the aformentioned Hollies and Donovan all fit the bill of having had enough hits/impact on rock history as a whole that they deserve to be listed amongst, say, The Top 300 or so artists of all time (and so do The Monkees). All told, they had a very impressive run although nobody's arguing that they're in the upper echelon of artists that have shaped this movement over the past sixty years.


As for The Beach Boys, they clock in with 36 Top 40 hits, putting them in a three-way tie for 18th on the All Time list. They end up in roughly the same place for All Time Hits on the Top 100 with an impressive 56 tracks.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) Not the Freaking Monkees
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 08, 2012, 04:07:09 PM
This isn't the thread to keep talking about the freaking monkees.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 08, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
Someone mentioned the guy in Mike Loves' band that did the falsetto on "Ballad Of Ol' Betsy". I'd completely  forgotten about that as I'd seen them do that live a few years ago. I wasn't expecting much vocally from Mikes' Beach Boys,  as I'd already seen Brian and his band perform many times . I have to say I was pleasantly surprised and actually somewhat blown away at how good the vocals were in his show.

Yeah - Scott Totten and John Cowsill are both *extraordinarily* good singers, Randell Kirsch can be very good indeed, and Christian Love is limited but when he's got the right material he can sound spookily like Carl.
With Totten and Cowsill added to most of Brian's band, we should be in for some vocally spectacular shows.
That's good indeed.  Hopefully they'll be open to including them on the new album.

My suspicion is the only vocalists on the album will be Brian, Mike, Al, Bruce and Jeff. Possibly a bit of Dave. They'll want to keep the vocal blend as close to the original core group as possible.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...) Not the Freaking Monkees
Post by: Shady on March 08, 2012, 04:23:35 PM
This isn't the thread to keep talking about the freaking monkees.

This

Really, the Monkees?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 08, 2012, 04:43:32 PM
Come on -- was every 300+ page of The Smile Sessions box set thread about Smile or even The Beach Boys? Did people miss out on info as a result? Was anyone seriously hurt as a result?

Either we curb conversation and, in effect, silence it by forcing people to stay on topic (especially when there is really no new information to discuss) or we acknowledge how conversations actually work and wait patiently.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 08, 2012, 05:00:42 PM
Waiting patiently is fine.  Take the freaking Monkees somewhere else


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: 18thofMay on March 08, 2012, 05:38:29 PM
Hey, Hey to the Beach Boys
The best harmonic band around
The're to busy singing to put anybody down


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: acedecade75 on March 08, 2012, 06:00:46 PM
 I really thought we'd have a release date by now for the new album.  I assume it'll be finished before the tour begins on April 24th. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: 18thofMay on March 08, 2012, 06:39:45 PM
double post


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 08, 2012, 07:56:18 PM
Well, with the PBS special featuring new material and archive footage called "Summer's Gone," I am wondering if that is going to be the album title for what is likely their final album, and at the very least their "autumn years" album.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 08, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Seems a little dark to me. But not bad, if that's what they're going with.

I would definitely put it down for a plausible song title, at the very least.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: slickman9696 on March 08, 2012, 08:04:34 PM
I'm glad someone else mentioned the Christian Love thing. As far as vocals on the CD, it would be great it Matt Jardine did the falsetto and Christian Love came in the mix. Matt has the closest sound IMO to Brian, and he did his time all in the 90s and currently with Al in perfecting that sound. His Hushabye is incredible and very close to Brian. And Christian Love has a very close sound to Carl's voice. I know it's not a replacement, but with a timbre so similar to Carl's, adding it to the album mix will give them something close to having an original sound. I know with all of them old it'll never reach 60s early 70s quality, but still close. For a great Christian Love reference, find the youtube video of him singing God Only Knows with the orchestra. It's a damn good tribute to the style of Carl. And finally, it would keep all the vocals with family members, which is one of their trademarks. Being America's Family band. Thoughts?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2012, 08:07:44 PM
You'd think they're missing an opportunity to sell the album at the shows... Maybe Brian's pulling a 1967 on us.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 08, 2012, 08:43:13 PM
Seems a little dark to me. But not bad, if that's what they're going with.

I would definitely put it down for a plausible song title, at the very least.
It is a bit dark, yet summery, and as such it has the potential to intrigue the "All Summer Long" crowd and the "Til I Die" crowd. As someone who tends towards the latter style, I have to say that it is probably the only summer or beach-related title that would not make me slightly worried about the album. "Summer's End" could be another personal statement from Brian, just as Pet Sounds communicated where he was at in his early 20s, and Love You chronicled his time wandering in the desert.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jimmie_R on March 09, 2012, 06:04:02 AM
Well, with the PBS special featuring new material and archive footage called "Summer's Gone," I am wondering if that is going to be the album title for what is likely their final album, and at the very least their "autumn years" album.

Thoughts?

wait what?? What  PBS special?? Have I missed something?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 09, 2012, 06:11:18 AM
Well, with the PBS special featuring new material and archive footage called "Summer's Gone," I am wondering if that is going to be the album title for what is likely their final album, and at the very least their "autumn years" album.

Thoughts?

wait what?? What  PBS special?? Have I missed something?

Check the "Big News" thread


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 09, 2012, 07:57:09 AM
Summer's Gone, is one heck of a neat song title, if that's what it is.

For me it conjures up a lot of melodic images in a minor key, melancholy
beachy, hey this is it, kind of like the Beatles saying goodbye on the
Abbey Road medley with "The End"

Of course there may be no such song! It could be in a major key, and it could
be an upbeat throwaway number!

Tantalizing though isn't it!

You say there is a PBS special? when does it air? The advertisement says there will be new material?
Is that true?

After a dryspell of a week or so, it looks like we may be getting some new information, I need to read
that link, one thing, we could expect the album or single by the date of the show, I presume, if  the show
features new material, do they really wanna debut the new songs on PBS when they could get a larger
audience on mainstream television or a national radio show with a big audience

Can someone with some info chime in, can we find out if Summer's Gone is an actual song title, that's
tantalizing as hell, good title, doesn't say a lot, but it implies a lot, conjures lots of images.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 09, 2012, 08:12:26 AM
Summer's Gone, is one heck of a neat song title, if that's what it is.

For me it conjures up a lot of melodic images in a minor key, melancholy
beachy,

Tell me about it. I wrote it last year.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 09, 2012, 08:30:21 AM
Summer's Gone, is one heck of a neat song title, if that's what it is.

For me it conjures up a lot of melodic images in a minor key, melancholy
beachy,

Tell me about it. I wrote it last year.

Don't joke about stuff like that, that has happened to me for real, and you can't do a thing, titles
are not copywritable

Now did you have anything to do with this television special, or send a tape of it to Joe Thomas or
the Beach Boys, even if you could prove that, you can;t touch a title, and they are pretty generic
words it's plausible two human beings could come up with a title like that, independent of one another.


Now if you wrote a song title that was out there, say, Muggle 77 on Hapworth Road, well then maybe
you could make a case of sorts, but "summer's Gone" not a chance.

Can we confirm, that this is actually a song title on the new Beach Boy album, it sure is a good one
if it's true.

By the way, was your song, in a minor key with kind of a ballad nature, just curious.

I have been kind of worried, when I kept hearing the song title "That's Why God Made The Radio"
I had visions of Snuff Garrett producing a Cher or John Denver session or something, I know that unfair
it could be a great song, but the images from the title, were well that's what I thought of, Snuff garrett in
a denim jacket talking to Sonny Bono on the phone while Kenny Rogers sings between bites of chicken.

But then I hear "Summer's Gone" and I picture that painting from the Surf's Up album cover and I say
I need to hear this new album!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 09, 2012, 08:31:25 AM
Summer's Gone, is one heck of a neat song title, if that's what it is.

...one thing, we could expect the album or single by the date of the show, I presume, if  the show
features new material, do they really wanna debut the new songs on PBS when they could get a larger
audience on mainstream television or a national radio show with a big audience


I really like SUMMER'S GONE. TV Special, song title, album title... We'll see.

PBS programs attract boomers. Wouldn't you think that a generation that grew up with the band and has disposable cash  would be the likely group to target in the marketing campaign for this The Beach Boys project? . It's a good move.  They can spread out from there to other major media. And throw a few bones to secondary outlets. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on March 09, 2012, 08:35:47 AM
Summer's Gone, is one heck of a neat song title, if that's what it is.

For me it conjures up a lot of melodic images in a minor key, melancholy
beachy,

Tell me about it. I wrote it last year.

Don't joke about stuff like that, that has happened to me for real, and you can't do a thing, titles
are not copywritable

Now did you have anything to do with this television special, or send a tape of it to Joe Thomas or
the Beach Boys, even if you could prove that, you can;t touch a title, and they are pretty generic
words it's plausible two human beings could come up with a title like that, independent of one another.


Now if you wrote a song title that was out there, say, Muggle 77 on Hapworth Road, well then maybe
you could make a case of sorts, but "summer's Gone" not a chance.

Can we confirm, that this is actually a song title on the new Beach Boy album, it sure is a good one
if it's true.

By the way, was your song, in a minor key with kind of a ballad nature, just curious.

I have been kind of worried, when I kept hearing the song title "That's Why God Made The Radio"
I had visions of Snuff Garrett producing a Cher or John Denver session or something, I know that unfair
it could be a great song, but the images from the title, were well that's what I thought of, Snuff garrett in
a denim jacket talking to Sonny Bono on the phone while Kenny Rogers sings between bites of chicken.

But then I hear "Summer's Gone" and I picture that painting from the Surf's Up album cover and I say
I need to hear this new album!


Well, I'm not suggesting that they stole it from me! I'm merely saying that my Beach Boys-y song called "Summer's Gone" will seem a lot less interesting (if it indeed ever was!) if it actually becomes the title of a Beach Boys song and that saddens me a bit.

But yes, it is in a minor key and a bit of a ballad, using the season change as a metaphor for a relationship. I have a video of it of me practicing it on a cheap keyboard on youtube to prove all of this but I am hesitant to put a video up where I am so visible.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 09, 2012, 09:46:40 AM
I think Summer's Gone would be an exceptional title.  Matt Jardine is great, would love to see him in the mix.  I think Christian Love would be fine in there as well, but I have never thought he sounds remotely close to Carl.  I know that he tries to achieve that sound on things like Cool Head, Warm Heart, but he just doesn't come close.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 09, 2012, 09:53:20 AM
I think Summer's Gone would be an exceptional title.  Matt Jardine is great, would love to see him in the mix.  I think Christian Love would be fine in there as well, but I have never thought he sounds remotely close to Carl.  I know that he tries to achieve that sound on things like Cool Head, Warm Heart, but he just doesn't come close.
"Remotely"? Come on! His voice is not as strong as Carl's was, but he has the timbre like Carl. Carl was the first person I thought of when I first heard him sing.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 09, 2012, 10:09:05 AM
Cautionary note: We have no confirmation from any source that "Summer's Gone" is the title of anything except the PBS doc.

It well could be -- indeed, it seems strange for such a title to come from nowhere -- but we do not know for sure.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 09, 2012, 11:02:37 AM
Cautionary note: We have no confirmation from any source that "Summer's Gone" is the title of anything except the PBS doc.

It well could be -- indeed, it seems strange for such a title to come from nowhere -- but we do not know for sure.
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 09, 2012, 11:13:14 AM
"Summer's Gone" would/could be a great title (I know it's not official) but wouldn't something like "Almost Summer" be more, uh, optimistic?

P.S.

I'll vote again for Ocean Way, with the cover showing all the Beach Boys walking in the crosswalk..........


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 09, 2012, 11:17:13 AM
"Summer's Gone" sounds just a bit too melancholy for an album title....it would turn a few heads, yes..but it's a bit heavy handed.  Perfect for just a song title, though. 

"Ocean Way" would be really fitting--mainly because it's just a great title---but I don't want the Beach Boys taking a page out of The Beatles handbook with the whole "Abbey Road" connection at this stage of the game. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 09, 2012, 11:56:24 AM
Summer's Gone is what I tried to say when I meant that Almost Summer sounded melancholy to me. Neat title. Hope it delivers what it promises imo -サ melancholy tunes in a way Pet Sounds sounds melancholy, so upbeat numbers can very well be a part of it and lots of beautiful harmonies and not nostalgic retrospection a la Still Surfin'

 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 09, 2012, 12:02:14 PM
"Summer's Gone" would/could be a great title (I know it's not official) but wouldn't something like "Almost Summer" be more, uh, optimistic?

P.S.

I'll vote again for Ocean Way, with the cover showing all the Beach Boys walking in the crosswalk..........


Bit tricky - no crosswalk outside Oceanway.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 09, 2012, 12:03:15 PM
Yeah I'm alright with melancholy...nothing wrong with that but as a title to their probably last album on this, their 50th Anniversary seems a little forced.

But I'm on the fence if this will be the title of the album as well.  Considering the PBS special will consist of mostly archival footage and a bonus of a few new songs--I don't think they'd lend the album title to this project.  If it were a documentary about the making of the new album or perhaps the actual live DVD document of the new tour, sure, the product can share the name with the album, but an off to the side project?  Dunno about that...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on March 09, 2012, 12:08:26 PM
Yeah I'm alright with melancholy...nothing wrong with that but as a title to their probably last album on this, their 50th Anniversary seems a little forced.

But I'm on the fence if this will be the title of the album as well.  Considering the PBS special will consist of mostly archival footage and a bonus of a few new songs--I don't think they'd lend the album title to this project.  If it were a documentary about the making of the new album or perhaps the actual live DVD document of the new tour, sure, the product can share the name with the album, but an off to the side project?  Dunno about that...






Just a thought , maybe 'Summers Gone' is the name of a song from the new album ( and maybe a single ) hence the 1976 TV Special 'Its Ok'   ie They didn't call that TV Special '15 Big Ones' ( thankfully )


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 09, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
Could very well be, Rob.  I'd be very interested to hear a song with that title. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 09, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
1968: Summer's Almost Gone

(http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/270905364174_0.jpg)


2012: Summer's Gone. For Real.

(http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/pict/330693808938_0.jpg)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 09, 2012, 02:39:06 PM
I've got the perfect "reunion" song for them. Subtle, no hackneyed references to the past but could be interpreted as a healing, bittersweet homage to many years of knowing someone through good and bad times and reconciling to the impermanance of life situations.
In a similar vein as "Please Let Me Wonder" , very "1965".
Too bad I can't get it to them.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 09, 2012, 02:41:55 PM
Let's hear it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 09, 2012, 02:50:04 PM
Let's hear it.
That would be a little tough, I just wrote it today!
It's called "Glad I'm With You".


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 09, 2012, 03:26:05 PM
I think Summer's Gone would be an exceptional title.  Matt Jardine is great, would love to see him in the mix.  I think Christian Love would be fine in there as well, but I have never thought he sounds remotely close to Carl.  I know that he tries to achieve that sound on things like Cool Head, Warm Heart, but he just doesn't come close.
"Remotely"? Come on! His voice is not as strong as Carl's was, but he has the timbre like Carl. Carl was the first person I thought of when I first heard him sing.

He is a poor man's Carl Wilson.  You want someone that does sound close to Carl? Justyn. Listen to his harmony vocals on Carnie's version of Heaven.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 09, 2012, 03:31:51 PM
Hope we don't find out that the title was accidentally shortened by PBS, and that's its really "Summer's Gone WILD!"


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 09, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
His (Christian's) voice is not as strong as Carl's was, but he has the timbre like Carl. Carl was the first person I thought of when I first heard him sing.

Me too.  Sometimes he sounds just like him.

I really like the current 50th tour line-up though.  We'll see how it pans out with those guys singing Carl's parts.  Don't count Al out either - he and Carl use to trade off high parts (i.e Don't Worry Baby) in the early 70's.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 09, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
Hope we don't find out that the title was accidentally shortened by PBS, and that's its really "Summer's Gone WILD!"
well as long as it's like "Girls gone wild" then I won't complain TOO much..lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: urbanite on March 09, 2012, 03:58:20 PM
I like Summer's Gone as a song title, not as an album title, the meaning is too negative, as the not so subtle message of the Beach Boys' reunions is that the summer is back.  For what it's worth, if Summer's Gone is about getting old and looking back on the joyful days (and loves) of summer in one's youth, I'm all for it. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 09, 2012, 04:02:00 PM
Hope we don't find out that the title was accidentally shortened by PBS, and that's its really "Summer's Gone WILD!"

 :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 09, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
I think Summer's Gone would be an exceptional title.  Matt Jardine is great, would love to see him in the mix.  I think Christian Love would be fine in there as well, but I have never thought he sounds remotely close to Carl.  I know that he tries to achieve that sound on things like Cool Head, Warm Heart, but he just doesn't come close.
"Remotely"? Come on! His voice is not as strong as Carl's was, but he has the timbre like Carl. Carl was the first person I thought of when I first heard him sing.

He is a poor man's Carl Wilson.  You want someone that does sound close to Carl? Justyn. Listen to his harmony vocals on Carnie's version of Heaven.
Poor man, rich man? The point is, he does "remotely" sound like Carl.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 09, 2012, 04:07:48 PM
Just wondering what others think about the context of ''Summer's Gone'?

To you does it mean.

- Many years of summers that have past.
-This particular years summer has finished.
-A word play, combination of both of the above.

 ???


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 09, 2012, 04:14:06 PM
It's almost too perfect.  It's like Mike said "it has to have "summer" in the title", and Brian said "it has to be kind of sad".   Obviously this has been debated endlessly already as far as what kind of tone the album should have, but it should be clear there's a wing of the audience who wants fun & sun, and then there's a wing who wants paralyzing melancholy, and if this title reflects an intention to actually recognize & play to both those sides of the BBs base, I think it's kind of brilliant.  Then again maybe I'm reading too much into it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 09, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
I think Summer's Gone would be an exceptional title.  Matt Jardine is great, would love to see him in the mix.  I think Christian Love would be fine in there as well, but I have never thought he sounds remotely close to Carl.  I know that he tries to achieve that sound on things like Cool Head, Warm Heart, but he just doesn't come close.
"Remotely"? Come on! His voice is not as strong as Carl's was, but he has the timbre like Carl. Carl was the first person I thought of when I first heard him sing.

He is a poor man's Carl Wilson.  You want someone that does sound close to Carl? Justyn. Listen to his harmony vocals on Carnie's version of Heaven.
Poor man, rich man? The point is, he does "remotely" sound like Carl.

yeah, I will give you remotely. But Justyn is much closer


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 09, 2012, 04:26:29 PM
Just wondering what others think about the context of ''Summer's Gone'?

To you does it mean.

- Many years of summers that have past.
-This particular years summer has finished.
-A word play, combination of both of the above.

 ???

It doesn't mean anything to me. It's an intriguing title, but I don't want to occupy myself with speculation.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 09, 2012, 04:47:05 PM
Some of you guys are so clever, it's fun just reading the thread.

Now look, we have some inside people here, PBS and the press
let it out already, rules of fairplay, somebody tell us if "Summer's Gone"
is a song title, unrelated television title, album title or what,

I know there are people who know the answer, PBS Leaks like I don't know
what, public television doesn't care a whit about rock band politics or secrecy.

The press has published it, can someone tell us if its just a television producer's
documentary title, or if the title is related to a song or album.

Absolutely, we will find out in a couple days, worst comes to worst, we can
get ahold of some of the PBS people and find out.

So what's the date? July 7 ?

So folks, we can surmise a few things, a little bit more of the album is in
the can, than we were told, or they couldn't have made that commitment
with the television people. Also by that date, we all have vcr's we will have a
piece of the album to evaluate by that date.

Someone said it's a great demographic with baby boomers and disposable income
brilliant analysis. But I still think, there will be at least one other media source by that
date, its a great great demographic, but you don't have to give public television exclusives
like you do with regular networks, there will be another media outlet around that date on
radio or elsewhere on tv.

MY GOD! We'll have the bloody thing in our hands by July isin't this fantastic!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: ArchStanton on March 09, 2012, 04:59:50 PM
It's almost too perfect.  It's like Mike said "it has to have "summer" in the title", and Brian said "it has to be kind of sad".   Obviously this has been debated endlessly already as far as what kind of tone the album should have, but it should be clear there's a wing of the audience who wants fun & sun, and then there's a wing who wants paralyzing melancholy, and if this title reflects an intention to actually recognize & play to both those sides of the BBs base, I think it's kind of brilliant.  Then again maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Really well put and made me excited about this potentially being the title, though we are as in the dark as ever.  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 09, 2012, 05:01:06 PM
Good title (and I'd wager it'd be a song title at least), but lets not get ahead of ourselves!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 09, 2012, 05:02:08 PM
Summer's gone is great title to serve as a coda to "endless summer"


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 09, 2012, 05:02:59 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't either an album title, a song title, or at least a prominent lyric, but yeah, who knows.  The title of the special is an opportunity for brand reinforcement and cross-promotion so we should expect it to have some relation to the product.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 09, 2012, 05:13:13 PM
But I don't want to occupy myself with speculation.

SMART MAN!!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Sound of Free on March 09, 2012, 05:51:37 PM
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.
[/quote]

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 09, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  :lol

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 09, 2012, 06:30:34 PM
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  :lol
[/quote]
I personally think that Mike Love will be looking for depth and artistic credibility to counter his "don't f*** with the formula" repuation. These are the lyrics to Warmth of the Sun Part II (Summer's Gone)

Mike:
"It's 2012, and summer's gone...
The surfers and the california girls moved on...
They're retiring now from their nine to five's...
Whatever happened to keepin' the summer alive?"

Al:
"Summer's gone, but I sure would love to surf again,
It's OK, come on let's catch a wave in our 409s!"

Brian:
"Sadness, sorrow, Lookin' at tomorrow, and..."

All:
"Summer's gone, summer's gone, oooo ooo summer's gone..."

Mike:
"We had fun, fun, fun in our little deuce coupes,
But It's Over Now."

These leaked lyrics demonstrate beyond any doubt that The Beach Boys will not just be going for the fun and sun feel. Mike's lyrical style still references old Beach Boys tunes as it did back in 1990, but he is doing it in a very Brian-esque lyrical idiom. The leak that I heard is extremely melancholy and is in a minor key. He even let Brian do his "Til I Die"-esque bridge about sadness, sorrow, et cetera.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 09, 2012, 06:33:39 PM
 :lol :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 09, 2012, 06:41:51 PM
Quote
Brian:
"Sadness, sorrow, Lookin' at tomorrow, and..."

I will be so sad if this isn't on the album!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on March 09, 2012, 10:58:19 PM
Just heard some exclusive information.....this new album is going to be the band's first to feature new material in twenty years!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 09, 2012, 11:02:08 PM
Bear in mind that when the first graphics for the reunion turned up, a lot of folk assumed the new album was called Celebration. What do we know for sure about any potential title ? Nothing. Could be called Summer's Gone, could be called Do It Again, could be called... oh, That's Why God Made The Radio. Given past efforts, could be called The Pendletones: Don't Give Us Any Sh*t.

Frankly, I hope they call it We Were Nearly Called The Woodies.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 09, 2012, 11:26:09 PM
Bear in mind that when the first graphics for the reunion turned up, a lot of folk assumed the new album was called Celebration. What do we know for sure about any potential title ? Nothing. Could be called Summer's Gone, could be called Do It Again, could be called... oh, That's Why God Made The Radio. Given past efforts, could be called The Pendletones: Don't Give Us Any Sh*t.

Frankly, I hope they call it We Were Nearly Called The Woodies.
The Beach Boys: Stars and Stripes Volume VI is my best guess. Or "East St. Louis."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Myk Luhv on March 09, 2012, 11:32:00 PM
They should call the album Greatest Hits Volume 4!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 10, 2012, 02:22:54 AM
If they're so confident that it's a Pet Sounds 2, they should call it........ Pet Sounds 2: The Sequel!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: KokoNO on March 10, 2012, 02:32:22 AM
They should call the album Greatest Hits Volume 4!

Actually, I heard they're planning to release a fourth volume in the Greatest Hits series. It will cover the highlights post-1985, so the best tracks from Still Cruisin', Summer In Paradise, Stars and Stripes...."Problem Child", etc.  :hat


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 10, 2012, 05:32:51 AM
I'd like "The Beach Boys 2012"
The '85 album was just called "The Beach Boys", right ?



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jon Stebbins on March 10, 2012, 10:29:04 AM
The new album should be called Smiley Smile Dot Net


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 10, 2012, 11:07:26 AM
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  :lol

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"


Yeah, who needs "Mr. Positivity"? Look at all of the '60s hits the Beach Boys would have had without him............oops, nevermind.

I think the  hipper than thou paranoia is probably unfounded in the present BBs recording environment. With the inclusion of Brians' band members  and potentially their legacy at stake, we'll hopefully  see the best song and lyric writing  (by all parties) come to the fore. Let's not forget Brian is also capable of churning out some pretty inane material as well.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 10, 2012, 11:12:02 AM
Bear in mind that when the first graphics for the reunion turned up, a lot of folk assumed the new album was called Celebration. What do we know for sure about any potential title ? Nothing. Could be called Summer's Gone, could be called Do It Again, could be called... oh, That's Why God Made The Radio. Given past efforts, could be called The Pendletones: Don't Give Us Any Sh*t.

Frankly, I hope they call it We Were Nearly Called The Woodies.

That would be "Stuck With A Woodie" (the Viagra overdose song)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 10, 2012, 11:14:51 AM
If they're so confident that it's a Pet Sounds 2, they should call it........ Pet Sounds 2: The Sequel!
Or they could go with a "darker" theme, and have their own "Butcher Cover" album...
The Sounds Of Pets.....being slaughtered


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 12:15:09 PM
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  :lol

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"


Yeah, who needs "Mr. Positivity"? Look at all of the '60s hits the Beach Boys would have had without him............oops, nevermind.

I think the  hipper than thou paranoia is probably unfounded in the present BBs recording environment. With the inclusion of Brians' band members  and potentially their legacy at stake, we'll hopefully  see the best song and lyric writing  (by all parties) come to the fore. Let's not forget Brian is also capable of churning out some pretty inane material as well.



Well, except for the fact that Mike didn't write Surfin' U.S.A., or Surfer Girl, or Little Deuce Coupe, or In My Room, or Don't Worry Baby (pre lawsuit), or God Only Knows ... people seem to forget that Roger Christian and Gary Usher existed, and had a large say in the lyrics of those first albums. And Mike didn't sing lead on all of those hits either. Or write the music. Or produce the records.

I don't see any "hipper than thou paranoia," either. Simply some jesting to pass the time.

Brian's band members are involved in the tour. Some of them played on the DIA remake. But there is no evidence they're on any tracks of the new album. (Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 10, 2012, 12:15:29 PM
If they're so confident that it's a Pet Sounds 2, they should call it........ Pet Sounds 2: The Sequel!
Or they could go with a "darker" theme, and have their own "Butcher Cover" album...
The Sounds Of Pets.....being slaughtered


hahahaha !! yeah, the last seconds of Caroline, no's fade serve as the intro to that album !


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 10, 2012, 12:18:02 PM
(Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)



 :o who says so ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 10, 2012, 12:25:52 PM
Yes, I was just suggesting that it is a possibility - but it could be the title of a track on the album, it could be a phrase used on the album, or it could just be the title of the PBS special and nothing else. Time will tell. This is all speculation, aside from the title of the PBS special.

This made me think of a nightmare scenario. The PBS special begins with the music video of the Beach Boys' all-new single. It starts silently, in black and white, with Brian walking down the beach in a winter coat. Brian stops and says to himself, Wow, summer's gone." Then Mike appears and says, "No, Brian, summer's not gone. We can bring it BACK!"

Begin the music, to a Kokomo-type beat, the picture goes from black and white to color and Brian and Mike take off their coats to reveal bathing suits (and shirt, thankfully). Al, Bruce, David and Jeff, along with bikini-clad girls join then, and Mike begins singing:

"We're bringin' summer back to this great big nation!
We're bringin' lots of love and good vibrations!"

Al, Bruce and Dave: "Bringin' bringin' summer back."
Jeff and Brian: "AH-Ah-ah-ah!"

End my nightmare scenario.  :lol

I think it's quite likely that is what the song is like.

That is, you start with something sad --

"I hate to say that summer's gone --"

But Mr. Positivity turns it around --

"But it's coming back next year!"


Yeah, who needs "Mr. Positivity"? Look at all of the '60s hits the Beach Boys would have had without him............oops, nevermind.

I think the  hipper than thou paranoia is probably unfounded in the present BBs recording environment. With the inclusion of Brians' band members  and potentially their legacy at stake, we'll hopefully  see the best song and lyric writing  (by all parties) come to the fore. Let's not forget Brian is also capable of churning out some pretty inane material as well.



Well, except for the fact that Mike didn't write Surfin' U.S.A., or Surfer Girl, or Little Deuce Coupe, or In My Room, or Don't Worry Baby (pre lawsuit), or God Only Knows ... people seem to forget that Roger Christian and Gary Usher existed, and had a large say in the lyrics of those first albums. And Mike didn't sing lead on all of those hits either. Or write the music. Or produce the records.

I don't see any "hipper than thou paranoia," either. Simply some jesting to pass the time.

Brian's band members are involved in the tour. Some of them played on the DIA remake. But there is no evidence they're on any tracks of the new album. (Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)

Wow, that's the first I heard that it was only the Joe Thomas crew playing on the album. Uh-oh.

I  was responding to the mocking of the potential "Mr. Positivity" lyrics, not saying he was the only early lyricist. Although he was the most prolific.
So why not mention some of the Biggest hits?  I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Dance Dance Dance, Fun Fun Fun, Good Vibrations?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 12:27:03 PM
(Given that many -- if not most -- of the tracks seem to have been produced by Joe Thomas with his Chicago-area session musicians, we may see precious little of Brian's band on the album at all.)



 :o who says so ?

It's been confirmed in at least two places that Brian was recording and writing throughout last year with Joe Thomas (including by Brian). Eddie Bayers, a drummer regularly used by Thomas, told Rolling Stone he was playing on new BW tracks last year. In his most recent interview, Mike said this: "Brian痴 come up with a lot of great tracks and tunes. And the rest of us come in and do our vocal parts." That suggests the tracks and songs (or at least a number of them) were already done by the time the group started working on them.

Now, it might be that Brian's band worked with Thomas on the tracks. But given Bayers' participation, and the past tension between Thomas and the group, it makes more sense to assume he used his own guys.

Edited as per AGD below.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
I responding to the mocking of the potential "Mr. Positivity" lyrics, not saying he was the only early lyricist. Although he was the most prolific.
So why not mention some of the Biggest hits?  I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Dance Dance Dance, Fun Fun Fun, Good Vibrations?

Of course he did those. And sang lead on many more besides. But my point is simply that you can't say Mike was somehow Brian's equal in the early success of the group. Yes, he was extremely important. But Brian wrote and produced quite a few hits without Mike's input. Mike didn't do the reverse. That being said, I think you really needed the whole group -- critically including Dennis -- to have achieved the success they did. No man was an island.

As Jon Stebbins said, it can just be fun to poke at Mike.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 10, 2012, 12:31:32 PM
We've also had pictures of Darian in the studio with BW. Who knows?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 10, 2012, 12:35:52 PM


Now, it might be that Brian's band worked with Thomas on the tracks. But given Bayers' participation, and the past tension between Thomas and the group, it makes more sense to assume he used his own guys.


yeah, but i don't think brian (melinda) would not let brian's band be not on that record


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 10, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
It's been confirmed in at least two places that Brian was recording and writing throughout last year with Joe Thomas (including by Brian). Eddie Bayers, a drummer regularly used by Thomas, told Rolling Stone he was playing on new BW tracks last year. In his most recent interview, Mike said this: "Brian痴 come up with a lot of great tracks and tunes. And the rest of us come in and do our vocal parts." That suggests the tracks and songs (or at least a number of them) were already done by the time the group started working on them.

The only time Brian's worked with JT recently was a few days (two, three ?) at the end of July last year at the beginning of the US non-BWRG dates, when he stayed in St. Charles with Thomas. All the other tracks have been cut in LA. Your last sentence is indeed accurate.

My belief is that JT is in charge of the DVD side of things - nothing more.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 12:43:22 PM
It's been confirmed in at least two places that Brian was recording and writing throughout last year with Joe Thomas (including by Brian). Eddie Bayers, a drummer regularly used by Thomas, told Rolling Stone he was playing on new BW tracks last year. In his most recent interview, Mike said this: "Brian痴 come up with a lot of great tracks and tunes. And the rest of us come in and do our vocal parts." That suggests the tracks and songs (or at least a number of them) were already done by the time the group started working on them.

The only time Brian's worked with JT recently was a few days (two, three ?) at the end of July last year at the beginning of the US non-BWRG dates, when he stayed in St. Charles with Thomas. All the other tracks have been cut in LA. Your last sentence is indeed accurate.

My belief is that JT is in charge of the DVD side of things - nothing more.

Well, that would be a relief. But it was reported that Brian was writing with JT, no? Even recent articles have talked about that.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 10, 2012, 12:44:05 PM

My belief is that JT is in charge of the DVD side of things - nothing more.


That sounds plausible but didn't he co-write some songs wih Brian ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 10, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
I responding to the mocking of the potential "Mr. Positivity" lyrics, not saying he was the only early lyricist. Although he was the most prolific.
So why not mention some of the Biggest hits?  I Get Around, Help Me Rhonda, California Girls, Dance Dance Dance, Fun Fun Fun, Good Vibrations?

Of course he did those. And sang lead on many more besides. But my point is simply that you can't say Mike was somehow Brian's equal in the early success of the group. Yes, he was extremely important. But Brian wrote and produced quite a few hits without Mike's input. Mike didn't do the reverse. That being said, I think you really needed the whole group -- critically including Dennis -- to have achieved the success they did. No man was an island.

As Jon Stebbins said, it can just be fun to poke at Mike.  ;D
I never said that "Mike was somehowBrians' equal". I was saying that Mike is capabable of writing excellent lyrics.

I agree that the whole group was needed. Brian needed the supporting cast around him. And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 02:27:09 PM
And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.

That's certainly what Mike believes, and what a lot of people who are fans of Mike believe. I'm not sure if Brian necessarily agreed when he sought out a sequence of other co-writers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: jmc on March 10, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
Regarding the new album title, they could always recycle an old, but never used title - Landlocked.  Afterall, it was the early title for the last great full-band effort....which became Sunflower.  I vote for no posed pictures of the band on the cover - too cheesy.  Save it for the liner notes. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 10, 2012, 02:52:53 PM
And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.

That's certainly what Mike believes, and what a lot of people who are fans of Mike believe. I'm not sure if Brian necessarily agreed when he sought out a sequence of other co-writers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
I think that Brian, like the rest of us, knows that Mike is a great lyricist, but Brian also likes to continually try different things musically and lyrically. I don't think Brian's choice to collaborate with others is because Mike is an inadequate or untalented lyricist. Mike could never write lyrics like Van Dyke Parks, and vice-versa. A lot of Brian's collaborator choices also have to do with his comfort zone - Scott Bennett, for instance, seems like someone Brian is comfortable around.

One thing that is true about Mike Love is that he is viewed as being somewhat limited in scope. He typically goes for a certain feel, subject matter, and rhyme scheme in his lyrics. I think that Mike recognized this as early as the late 60s, and he made an effort to branch out on Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surfs Up, and Holland.  This was a mixed bag, of course, as a listen to "Student Demonstration Time" confirms... but "Let The Wind Blow" and "Big Sur" show a more artistic side of Love that a lot of fans prefer to ignore.

Judging by the interview with Mike Love that I read earlier today, he is writing lyrics for several tracks on the new Beach Boys album, but not all of them. He is clearly cognizant of the fact that Brian and the group benefit from having different lyricists on different tracks. I would imagine that he is also doing his best to not intimidate his cousin. It looks like everybody in the group knows their place, finally, after all this time. This is a miracle of sorts, and a beautiful resolution to The Beach Boys story.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 10, 2012, 03:05:48 PM
Brian as a musical force (in contrast to Mike) has (almost) always been about trying new things, new ways of expressing himself, for which he needs outside help and influences especially in the lyrics department. So when wandering off towards new directions, away from the stuff that is classicly collaborated on with Mike, he obviously needed/needs other people (than Mike). Always has.

Brian and Mike are a superb songwriting duo - for a specific range of material. And the reunion album will obviously contain some of that typical Mike/Brian material. It's what most of the band's initial mid-60's (and later) success is based on.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 10, 2012, 03:07:49 PM
oops


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 03:15:04 PM
Brian and Mike are a superb songwriting duo - for a specific range of material.

I do wholeheartedly agree with this. Also, Mike's talent for hooks should not be underestimated.  (And by that, I mean lines like "Tack it up / Tack it up / Buddy gonna shut you down" or the "Whoa baby's" in "Kiss Me Baby.") It's one of the great things to look out for if you ever listen to Summer in Paradise. Mike created earworm bass and lyrical hooks all over the thing.The problem is, they're affixed to generally subpar songs.

There is genuine talent and ability there, but it needs a great songwriter's output to work with -- like, say, Kokomo. Really. You have a nice nostalgic John Phillips tune -- then Mike writes this silly-stupid-catchy chorus with Terry Melcher. And you have a no. 1 record. Mike's greatest songwriting talent, lyrics aside, is as a gifted enhancer of other people's tunes.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 10, 2012, 03:18:41 PM
Mike's greatest songwriting talent, lyrics aside, is as a gifted enhancer of other people's tunes.
Most classic example maybe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s_Gh_pOM9n0#t=14s


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 10, 2012, 03:20:05 PM
And I believe Mike was Brians' musical foil. They'd been collaborating and harmonizing from day one and I think they depended on each other.

That's certainly what Mike believes, and what a lot of people who are fans of Mike believe. I'm not sure if Brian necessarily agreed when he sought out a sequence of other co-writers in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
I think that Brian, like the rest of us, knows that Mike is a great lyricist, but Brian also likes to continually try different things musically and lyrically. I don't think Brian's choice to collaborate with others is because Mike is an inadequate or untalented lyricist. Mike could never write lyrics like Van Dyke Parks, and vice-versa. A lot of Brian's collaborator choices also have to do with his comfort zone - Scott Bennett, for instance, seems like someone Brian is comfortable around.

One thing that is true about Mike Love is that he is viewed as being somewhat limited in scope. He typically goes for a certain feel, subject matter, and rhyme scheme in his lyrics. I think that Mike recognized this as early as the late 60s, and he made an effort to branch out on Friends, 20/20, Sunflower, Surfs Up, and Holland.  This was a mixed bag, of course, as a listen to "Student Demonstration Time" confirms... but "Let The Wind Blow" and "Big Sur" show a more artistic side of Love that a lot of fans prefer to ignore.

Judging by the interview with Mike Love that I read earlier today, he is writing lyrics for several tracks on the new Beach Boys album, but not all of them. He is clearly cognizant of the fact that Brian and the group benefit from having different lyricists on different tracks. I would imagine that he is also doing his best to not intimidate his cousin. It looks like everybody in the group knows their place, finally, after all this time. This is a miracle of sorts, and a beautiful resolution to The Beach Boys story.
Nice post!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 10, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
Mike's greatest songwriting talent, lyrics aside, is as a gifted enhancer of other people's tunes.
Most classic example maybe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s_Gh_pOM9n0#t=14s

Exactly. A song that was already written, already tracked, already had a theme -- but what does he add? He makes up that little line to sing along with the bass. It's kind of stupid on it's own, but its genius in the context of the whole song. And makes it catchy in an entirely different way!

(Speaking of which, I've always talked up Mike's lyrics for GV. I don't know of another situation where he did more with less. The lyrics are genuinely good, and compare favorably to anything Asher or Parks did around the same time.


I, I love the colorful clothes she wears
And the way the sunlight plays upon her hair
I hear the sound of a gentle word
On the wind that lifts her perfume through the air

I'm pickin' up good vibrations
She's giving me excitations

Close my eyes, she's somehow closer now
Softly smile, I know she must be kind
When I look in her eyes
She goes with me to a blossom world (we find -- good edit, Brian!)

I'm pickin' up good vibrations
She's giving me excitations

I don't know where but she sends me there
Oh my, my, what a sensation
Oh my, my, what elations

Gotta keep those lovin' good vibrations
A happenin' with her.)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 10, 2012, 03:40:06 PM
'I don't know where, but she sends me there' is one of the greatest lines in popular music. Whilst it's fun to bash Mike, you cannot deny that.

Just chiming in with how OnTeeMoney the pair of you are, don't mind me  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on March 10, 2012, 10:39:51 PM
the entire Wild Honey album has some super lyrics.  Brian & Mike's best collaboration I'd say.

("with all the other stud bees buzzin' all around her hive ...")


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Amanda Hart on March 11, 2012, 01:26:01 PM


(Speaking of which, I've always talked up Mike's lyrics for GV. I don't know of another situation where he did more with less. The lyrics are genuinely good, and compare favorably to anything Asher or Parks did around the same time.


I think that "Had To Phone Ya" is a good example of this too. His lyrics for the 15 Big Ones version make the song more universal than the original Spring version. Obviously this wasn't turned into the monster hit the Good Vibes was, and the changes in instrumentation help a lot too, but Mike's contributions make a big difference.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 11, 2012, 03:54:53 PM
I wish we could get some news.

I don't know if I agree with some of these comments about the genius of
Mike Love, and yet, obviously there is something about the combination and
chemistry of these guys, or I wouldn't be more excited about the forthcoming
Beach Boy album, than I am about a new Brian Wilson release.

Whether Mike Love has been unfairly underrated I don't know, but there is something
these guys are able to do together, that they can't do individually, same with the Beatles
or anybody else. No matter how talented someone may be, Brian Wilson, McCartney, whoever
it might be, There is something about the combo that just is. Chemistry.

I am excited as hell about the new album, !!!!

AGD gave as a very interesting clue yesterday, he said, Joe Thomas was handling the video
production, but not the production of the new album, if I understood AGD's post correctly.

I keep thinking about Love and Wilson's comments to the press, that this album sounds like
the Beach Boys in the sixties. What more could a guy ask for in 2012

That is very exciting.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: doc smiley on March 11, 2012, 04:43:33 PM
how about the boys tackling Lane Steinberg's - Tidal Wave  (Trombone Dixie music ++ ) for the new CD.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 11, 2012, 09:38:46 PM
A few lines in "Good Vibrations" just irk me. Like they're just trying their damnedest to fit in with the current music scene. "I love the colorful clothes she wears"? "She goes with me to a blossom world"? Just reeks of the whole "FLOWER POWER, MAAAAAAAAN" thing of the day.

Mike has written much better lyrics several times over, albeit I'll admit "Good Vibrations" does have a few nice lines.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 11, 2012, 09:42:58 PM
blossomed world is the only one that dates the tune in my mind.  colorful clothes is good for any decade.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lonely Summer on March 11, 2012, 09:47:57 PM
vintagemusic, no disrespect meant but if you really think the reunion album is going to sell between 1-5 million copies then you have no grip on the music industry in this day and age. 50,000 copies on initial release is much more likely. Check how much The Smile Sessions sold.

While it's tough to predict sales, I would be wary of using TSS as any sort of benchmark. It was a seven disc archival release aimed at a specific group of fans -- and even then it outperformed expectations.
It did? What were the expectations? Someone must have thought 7 discs were too much for the typical consumer, so they came up with the 2 disc version. And how well did that version sell? Pretty poorly, if the chart performance is any indication. I agree that the reunion album is going to be a tough sell except to us die hards.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 11, 2012, 09:50:40 PM
Well over 90 percent of the Foskett hate is because --

1.) He's Brian's "minder" on the road.

2.) He's an evangelical Christian.

3.) He doesn't like Love You.

In other words, people don't think he's cool enough to have the job he has.

It's bullsh*t, and it has nothing to do with how he sounds.

My biggest issue with him is how he sounds and how his voice dominates the mix in every song he's a part of. It's like, it's not enough that his voice grates, but it's always right up front. I've talked to many people outside the boards who agree.

In other words, if he sounded decent, I'd cut him some slack elsewhere. I'm sure the guy, stated or otherwise, used his status as Brian's minder as leverage in getting a spot on the new album/tour. I don't care what religion he is, for the record.

Also, you forgot to list that creepy-ass dead-end gaze he gives on stage at all times.

Quote
If you told people some random live track was Matt Jardine, but it was actually Foskett, I doubt most people here could tell.

Not true at all. Not even a little. Matt's voice is far from perfect, but I'd much rather have him doing the falsetto vocals than Jeff. I'd rather have a lot of people there other than Jeff, honestly. There's this hoarse, bloated "ooph"ness in all his falsetto vocals that is just unpleasant, which is backed with it just sounding incredibly cold and sterile. That combined with him constantly modifying Brian's original written parts is... yeah :\

Christian Love and Matt Jardine being, erm, created by the original members, I feel they have much more of a place in this reunion than Jeff, who admittedly has been around for some time, but joined as a touring member during the 80s. 80s Beach Boys. Blech. They're skilled and they're family.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 11, 2012, 10:25:25 PM
vintagemusic, no disrespect meant but if you really think the reunion album is going to sell between 1-5 million copies then you have no grip on the music industry in this day and age. 50,000 copies on initial release is much more likely. Check how much The Smile Sessions sold.

While it's tough to predict sales, I would be wary of using TSS as any sort of benchmark. It was a seven disc archival release aimed at a specific group of fans -- and even then it outperformed expectations.
It did? What were the expectations? Someone must have thought 7 discs were too much for the typical consumer, so they came up with the 2 disc version. And how well did that version sell? Pretty poorly, if the chart performance is any indication. I agree that the reunion album is going to be a tough sell except to us die hards.

Andrew has stated repeatedly on the board that The Smile Sessions -- in all incarnations and whatever the chart placements -- handily outperformed Capitol's expectations. IIRC, I believe there is actually a shortage of the two-disc sets.

And my point is that comparing TSS, an archival release with a relatively limited print run and multiple discs, aimed squarely at an enthusiast market, with a BB reunion album is folly. It's apples and oranges.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 12, 2012, 06:21:57 AM

And my point is that comparing TSS, an archival release with a relatively limited print run and multiple discs, aimed squarely at an enthusiast market, with a BB reunion album is folly. It's apples and oranges.


I agree. But I think that the succes and public attention of TSS might have an effect on the new Beach Boys album. They're kinda in the spotlight right now


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on March 12, 2012, 06:27:14 AM
My biggest issue with him is how he sounds and how his voice dominates the mix in every song he's a part of. It's like, it's not enough that his voice grates, but it's always right up front. I've talked to many people outside the boards who agree.

It doesn't matter to me what 'many people outside this board' think.  There are some folks who don't like his voice, and there are others who do like his voice...or who don't think his voice is bad.  I think he handles his parts fine, and I don't mind his tone at all.

In other words, if he sounded decent, I'd cut him some slack elsewhere.

What does that mean, 'cut him some slack elsewhere'?  Where?

I'm sure the guy, stated or otherwise, used his status as Brian's minder as leverage in getting a spot on the new album/tour.

So you think that Foskett decided that he would force his way into this tour/album?  You don't think that Brian or his people wanted Jeff there for Brian?

Also, you forgot to list that creepy-ass dead-end gaze he gives on stage at all times.

Never noticed. 

Christian Love and Matt Jardine being, erm, created by the original members, I feel they have much more of a place in this reunion than Jeff, who admittedly has been around for some time, but joined as a touring member during the 80s. 80s Beach Boys. Blech. They're skilled and they're family.

Not sure about Matt Jardine, but Andrew has indicated that Christian Love had no interest in participating.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: the professor on March 12, 2012, 10:33:37 AM
I have just joined this board.  I have read all the posts and am comforted to know that i am not alone in waiting in anxious care about the album.  May I summarize some hopes and, perhaps, provide a focused platform for future information:

1. Are the BB playing instruments, such as on Sunflower and 20 other albums, or are ALL the tracks pre-done, with the BB only adding vocals?

2. DIA is obviously a different category because we see already how it was produced: only David playing.

3. Are Mike and Brian writing new songs together ex nihil? Or is Mike adding lyrics to already written songs?

4. Will David's song make the album?

5. Any writing by Bruce and Al?

6. Will TWGMR come out as a "single,"  whatever that means in the modern world?

7. Will they do the late-nite TV shows to promote the new album?

Beyond that, the bits of interview released, including KEarth 101, reveal a happy and joyous pair of cousins, at peace and working together.  I hope the album manifests "authenticity" by as many measures as the fans on this site can devise.

Have I failed to summarize any of the major questions?  I have tickets for the Bowl and Irvine and can think of nothing else (save duty and work of course) but the BB. Thank you all for your information and fellowship.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 12, 2012, 10:58:02 AM
I have just joined this board.  I have read all the posts and am comforted to know that i am not alone in waiting in anxious care about the album.  May I summarize some hopes and, perhaps, provide a focused platform for future information:

1. Are the BB playing instruments, such as on Sunflower and 20 other albums, or are ALL the tracks pre-done, with the BB only adding vocals?

2. DIA is obviously a different category because we see already how it was produced: only David playing.

3. Are Mike and Brian writing new songs together ex nihil? Or is Mike adding lyrics to already written songs?

4. Will David's song make the album?

5. Any writing by Bruce and Al?

6. Will TWGMR come out as a "single,"  whatever that means in the modern world?

7. Will they do the late-nite TV shows to promote the new album?

Beyond that, the bits of interview released, including KEarth 101, reveal a happy and joyous pair of cousins, at peace and working together.  I hope the album manifests "authenticity" by as many measures as the fans on this site can devise.

Have I failed to summarize any of the major questions?  I have tickets for the Bowl and Irvine and can think of nothing else (save duty and work of course) but the BB. Thank you all for your information and fellowship.


We know Al Jardine wrote one song, which will feature vocals from Carl Wilson. So yes you forgot to ask if Carl and Dennis would be represented.
So you get two for one there!

I think we all assume they will do the late night TV circuit, they have a major special coming on PBS featuring a look at their career and some new
songs, from the album called, (the show is called) Summer's Gone, on PBS I believe it's July 7Th ?

We know at least some of Mike Love's lyrics are being written to tunes, (Possibly tracks) Wilson had already written.

I am under the impression, Marks will play guitar possibly on more cuts.


The album has been said to be, similar to Pet Sounds, and the album supposedly ends with a musical suite or medley, and Brian Wilson
said all the songs flow into one another, and he said it's a very mellow album, Love said the song "that's Why God made the Radio" sounds
like The Beach Boy's in the sixties, he also said, one of the songs is as good as anything the Beach Boys have ever done,  it's not clear whether
Love is talking about the song "that's why God made the radio" but it seems likely.

The Beach Boys may play some parts on the album, I do not know, but for the most part, session players seem to be doing most or all
of the tracks, with Marks playing some guitar, that's just my guess, ask Andrew or someone who knows.


I'm hoping for the single in late may , probably a pipe dream on my part, probably by June if the PBS show has new material
the first week in July.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: the professor on March 12, 2012, 11:23:11 AM
Thank you, vintagemusic; that is very helpful. I suppose we al lhave been filling the space of hope with theory and speculation, and it's good to collect our basics together thus.  I will retun now to listening to all the corpus and watching DIA for the 400th time. What a wonder that the music-- and the promise of new music-- can so stir our hearts.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 12, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
Al just announced on his facebook page that "Waves of Love" will be a bonus track for the March CD release of Postcard...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 12, 2012, 03:40:30 PM
Al just announced on his facebook page that "Waves of Love" will be a bonus track for the March CD release of Postcard...


Probably the un-touched recording from the 90s as he stated that the song will be on the new Beach Boys album


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Lowbacca on March 12, 2012, 03:47:43 PM
Al just announced on his facebook page that "Waves of Love" will be a bonus track for the March CD release of Postcard...


Probably the un-touched recording from the 90s as he stated that the song will be on the new Beach Boys album
How much was Al involved with the song back in the 90's to justify a release on his solo LP? Especially if it's "untouched"...

And isn't it a bit weird/unusual that a song (in 2 versions or not) pops up on two different albums the same year? Oh well, it's the Beach Boys...


The more we get out of this year, the better.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Paulos on March 12, 2012, 04:46:40 PM
Al just announced on his facebook page that "Waves of Love" will be a bonus track for the March CD release of Postcard...


Probably the un-touched recording from the 90s as he stated that the song will be on the new Beach Boys album

Well, Al has been known to speak out of turn of late! The new release date seems weird though and I can't see Waves Of Love being on both APFC and the new BB album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 12, 2012, 09:11:10 PM
Al just announced on his facebook page that "Waves of Love" will be a bonus track for the March CD release of Postcard...


Hey can we get some big guns, with inside info on this, that makes no sense whatsoever.
Are you kidding did Jardine say that on Facebook, a date of March, and for his solo album?

Listen, those remarks by Jardine, make it seem to me, like they bumped the song from the
Beach Boys album, like they wrote and recorded some more songs, found another song
with Carl Wilson on it they liked better,

That makes no sense whatsoever, who the hell would be doing the last BBoys album, first album in 20 years
getting more and better press on this new B Boys album, than they have gotten in decades, and one of the
great final Beach Boys songs, Jardine gets a writers on the final B Boys album, and he announces its gonna
be a bonus track on his solo album, two or three months before the new Beach Boys album!

That makes no sense, its either someones drunk or they bumped the song from the Beach Boys album because
they are finding they have lots of material

Who in their right mind would put the song on both albums, and let the Jardine solo version come out three
months before the Beach Boys version

Does that make any sense to anyone?

 Mr Doe, what the heck is going on with that


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 12, 2012, 10:34:47 PM
uh, is it even a good song?  maybe there was better, with or without carl.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 12, 2012, 11:59:24 PM
That makes no sense whatsoever, who the hell would be doing the last BBoys album, first album in 20 years
getting more and better press on this new B Boys album, than they have gotten in decades, and one of the
great final Beach Boys songs
, Jardine gets a writers on the final B Boys album, and he announces its gonna
be a bonus track on his solo album, two or three months before the new Beach Boys album!

I take it you've heard it, then, and know this statement to be true ?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 13, 2012, 05:22:48 AM
that's what i was wondering.  odds are stacked against it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on March 13, 2012, 06:15:57 AM
This Waves of Love thing is very strange.  I wouldn't think that the same song would be included on both Al's album and the Beach Boys album...not even different versions of the same song.  I went back and re-read the article where Al mentions the song as being part of the 'new album'.  It is possible that Al started talking to the writer of the article about his own album, and the writer mistakenly thought that he was talking about the new Beach Boys album.  I don't know.

What do we know about this song? 

It's a song that Al wrote with a friend of his, Larry Dvoskin.

A rough demo was recorded in '95.

Carl did some vocal work for the song then, but it wasn't finished, and it wasn't in a studio environment (according to AGD from an ESQ article?).

Al announces that the song would be included as a bonus track on 'Postcard'.

Al redid the track last summer with Beach Boys vets Mike Kowalski, Ed Carter, Mike Meros, Richie Cannata, Matt Jardine and others.
 
The song gets mentioned in a new article about the Beach Boys reunion tour and album, and the article seems to indicate that the song will be included on the new Beach Boys album.

Al announces that the song will indeed be a bonus track on 'Postcard'.


Does anyone know anything else?  I didn't read the ESQ article that AGD mentions.  Is there any more info there?  Can anyone shed more light on this subject?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 13, 2012, 06:52:13 AM
Al just announced on his facebook page that "Waves of Love" will be a bonus track for the March CD release of Postcard...


Probably the un-touched recording from the 90s as he stated that the song will be on the new Beach Boys album
How much was Al involved with the song back in the 90's to justify a release on his solo LP? Especially if it's "untouched"...




Well, he co-wrote the song and iirc he, Matt and Carl added voices to the demo recording.

If a finished version appears on the Beach Boys album, then I think it's ok to release the original demo. Everyone would like to have it as a bonus track, this way that bonus track will be available on Al's album. Probably a nice gesture to help him get some copies rolling. I wouldn't release the demo before the finished version though. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on March 13, 2012, 07:01:10 AM
I have just joined this board.  I have read all the posts and am comforted to know that i am not alone in waiting in anxious care about the album.  May I summarize some hopes and, perhaps, provide a focused platform for future information:

1. Are the BB playing instruments, such as on Sunflower and 20 other albums, or are ALL the tracks pre-done, with the BB only adding vocals?

2. DIA is obviously a different category because we see already how it was produced: only David playing.

3. Are Mike and Brian writing new songs together ex nihil? Or is Mike adding lyrics to already written songs?

4. Will David's song make the album?

5. Any writing by Bruce and Al?

6. Will TWGMR come out as a "single,"  whatever that means in the modern world?

7. Will they do the late-nite TV shows to promote the new album?

Beyond that, the bits of interview released, including KEarth 101, reveal a happy and joyous pair of cousins, at peace and working together.  I hope the album manifests "authenticity" by as many measures as the fans on this site can devise.

Have I failed to summarize any of the major questions?  I have tickets for the Bowl and Irvine and can think of nothing else (save duty and work of course) but the BB. Thank you all for your information and fellowship.


We know Al Jardine wrote one song, which will feature vocals from Carl Wilson. So yes you forgot to ask if Carl and Dennis would be represented.
So you get two for one there!

Well, we're not sure about this one now.  Al's album or the Beach Boys album?  I can't see the song being on both.

I think we all assume they will do the late night TV circuit, they have a major special coming on PBS featuring a look at their career and some new
songs, from the album called, (the show is called) Summer's Gone, on PBS I believe it's July 7Th ?

I could see them doing Leno or Kimmel or other late night shows.  The PBS thing isn't really a special, it's part of series called Front Row Center, which features a different musical act every week.  The Beach Boys segment, titled Smmer's Gone will air June 7th, and will feature never-before-seen archival concert footage, plus songs from their new album.

We know at least some of Mike Love's lyrics are being written to tunes, (Possibly tracks) Wilson had already written.

I am under the impression, Marks will play guitar possibly on more cuts.  The Beach Boys may play some parts on the album, I do not know, but for the most part, session players seem to be doing most or all of the tracks, with Marks playing some guitar, that's just my guess, ask Andrew or someone who knows.

Yeah, Dave will likely play some guitar, and I wouldn't be surprised if Al played some guitar, and Bruce some keys.  Heck Brian could play some keys, but I think a lot of the tracks will be done by others.   

The album has been said to be, similar to Pet Sounds, and the album supposedly ends with a musical suite or medley, and Brian Wilson
said all the songs flow into one another, and he said it's a very mellow album, Love said the song "that's Why God made the Radio" sounds
like The Beach Boy's in the sixties, he also said, one of the songs is as good as anything the Beach Boys have ever done,  it's not clear whether
Love is talking about the song "that's why God made the radio" but it seems likely.

Well, Al mentioned Pet Sounds while talking about the new album, but I don't recall anyone saying that the new album is similar to Pet Sounds.  Bruce, Mike and Brian have all said that they think TWGMTR is a great song.  Yeah, what do you expect them to say?  They are in heavy self-promotion mode right now.

I'm hoping for the single in late may , probably a pipe dream on my part, probably by June if the PBS show has new material
the first week in July.

Again, June 7th is the air date for the Summer's Gone segment of Front Row Center.  We'll be hearing new Beach Boys tracks in less than three months.  :p


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 13, 2012, 09:38:34 AM
maybe they were planning on putting it on the cd but decided at the last minute not too for whatever reason OR they had two songs with Carl on it and found a Dennis song to finish taking off one of the Carl songs and told Al he could release it on his cd instead OR like what was said above they misunderstood Al and thought he meant the Beach Boys album when he meant his own..I'm hoping it's the second option..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 13, 2012, 10:49:27 AM
That makes no sense whatsoever, who the hell would be doing the last BBoys album, first album in 20 years
getting more and better press on this new B Boys album, than they have gotten in decades, and one of the
great final Beach Boys songs
, Jardine gets a writers on the final B Boys album, and he announces its gonna
be a bonus track on his solo album, two or three months before the new Beach Boys album!

I take it you've heard it, then, and know this statement to be true ?

No No Mr Doe, I haven't heard the tune. What I meant in my emotional state, was this.
Here We have the final Beach Boy studio album, and an Al Jardine tune features Carl Wilson
singing part of the song, and then Jardine is going to premiere the same song, in advance of
this highly anticipated Beach Boy album, as a bonus track on his solo album?

That doesn't make any sense to me.Particularly with perhaps the only song that will feature
Carl Wilson singing. So far as we know so far.


So to my way of thinking, based on the limited facts I have, I thought, well they must be ending
up with more Beach Boy material than they thought a few weeks ago, and they Beach Boys
bumped that song, since Al said it was gonna be on the new Beach Boy album.


Someone else suggested it was more a matter of the demo version, versus the posh and polished
Beach Boy version. In other words, the Jardine Bonus track will be a demo, and the Beach Boy version
will be wholly different, with a plush backing track and much bigger vocals by the Beach Boys, a bigger
arrangement..


So I don't know Mr Doe. On the face of it, it doesn't seem to make any sense, and I was hoping someone
would clarify the situation.

Maybe in the last couple weeks, they got into that "she is a mystery song, with a Carl vocal and the other Beach Boys
said, hey Al keep this song for your album, we're gonna do this one instead, it works better on the ending medley suite
because of the key it's in.

I am just speculating, trying to make logical guesses. perhaps you could enlighten us.. As to the situation
with that track or song...

Maybe it's like a quantum physics particle, in two places at the same time. I could see if Jardine used the song as a bonus
track a few months after the Beach Boy album came out. For the life of me, I can't imagine premiering the song first on a solo
album, when the Group album is coming out six or eight weeks later to huge fnafare and anticipation.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 13, 2012, 11:05:23 AM
As has been stated multiple times on this board and thread, the song is "You're Still a Mystery", and Carl did NOT sing it, Brian did. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 13, 2012, 11:30:31 AM
As has been stated multiple times on this board and thread, the song is "You're Still a Mystery", and Carl did NOT sing it, Brian did. 
[/Hquote]
Hey, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good story............
I'd rather see mostly entirely new material on this album unless they resurrect something lost from the '60s. I'm not thrilled by what I've heard from 'later sessions.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 13, 2012, 11:31:06 AM
No offense, vintagemusic, but why does it seem like every one of your posts is a rambling essay?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 13, 2012, 11:37:34 AM
No offense, vintagemusic, but why does it seem like every one of your posts is a rambling essay?

And the weird paragraph formatting really doesn't help either.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 13, 2012, 12:51:36 PM
Re the late night TV circut. Both the BB's and Brian have been on Letterman before promoting new material. I would think with all those NY area gigs later in the year that another slot may happen.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 13, 2012, 01:28:26 PM
No offense, vintagemusic, but why does it seem like every one of your posts is a rambling essay?

Suit yourself. Why tallk about the album, when you can do this instead. Good luck to you


What do i have to do, so that I am no longer a member? which button do i push


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 13, 2012, 01:40:06 PM
Suit yourself. Why tallk about the album, when you can do this instead. Good luck to you


What do i have to do, so that I am no longer a member? which button do i push
Your posts come across as stream of conscious rambling, that's all. Surely I can't be the only one who has noticed?

Whenever I visit this forum and pop into this thread, I do so hoping to come across news regarding the new album, but most of what I find is a lot of arguably pointless speculation regarding little details we can't POSSIBLY know anything about at this juncture in time.

Believe me, I hate singling out people on a message board, especially when they obviously share the same passion as I do. I just felt it was something that should be addressed.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 13, 2012, 01:46:21 PM
What do i have to do, so that I am no longer a member? which button do i push
This place is like the Hotel California; "You can check out anytime you want, but you can never leave." ;)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 13, 2012, 01:49:04 PM
Suit yourself. Why tallk about the album, when you can do this instead. Good luck to you


What do i have to do, so that I am no longer a member? which button do i push
Your posts come across as stream of conscious rambling, that's all. Surely I can't be the only one who has noticed?



No


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 13, 2012, 01:52:37 PM
If you search through vintagemusic's post history, you'll find not one post that is less than 3 full paragraphs.  I'm not saying there's a limit on how much anyone should post...but honestly, there's a time and a place.  This new album topic as it stands right now, does not call for large dissertations being written.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: stack-o-tracks on March 13, 2012, 01:53:37 PM
Wall of Text posts are what make the internet great.

Nice seeing somebody with PASSION about something. So much apathy everywhere.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: pixletwin on March 13, 2012, 02:00:06 PM
I for one have enjoyed reading vintagemusic's posts. Especially in the Threetle thread.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 13, 2012, 02:13:33 PM
I for one have enjoyed reading vintagemusic's posts. Especially in the Threetle thread.

I thought THIS was the Threetles thread!  LOL


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 13, 2012, 03:24:40 PM
That makes no sense whatsoever, who the hell would be doing the last BBoys album, first album in 20 years
getting more and better press on this new B Boys album, than they have gotten in decades, and one of the
great final Beach Boys songs
, Jardine gets a writers on the final B Boys album, and he announces its gonna
be a bonus track on his solo album, two or three months before the new Beach Boys album!

I take it you've heard it, then, and know this statement to be true ?

No No Mr Doe, I haven't heard the tune. What I meant in my emotional state, was this.
Here We have the final Beach Boy studio album, and an Al Jardine tune features Carl Wilson
singing part of the song, and then Jardine is going to premiere the same song, in advance of
this highly anticipated Beach Boy album, as a bonus track on his solo album?

That doesn't make any sense to me.Particularly with perhaps the only song that will feature
Carl Wilson singing. So far as we know so far.


So to my way of thinking, based on the limited facts I have, I thought, well they must be ending
up with more Beach Boy material than they thought a few weeks ago, and they Beach Boys
bumped that song, since Al said it was gonna be on the new Beach Boy album.


Someone else suggested it was more a matter of the demo version, versus the posh and polished
Beach Boy version. In other words, the Jardine Bonus track will be a demo, and the Beach Boy version
will be wholly different, with a plush backing track and much bigger vocals by the Beach Boys, a bigger
arrangement..


So I don't know Mr Doe. On the face of it, it doesn't seem to make any sense, and I was hoping someone
would clarify the situation.

Maybe in the last couple weeks, they got into that "she is a mystery song, with a Carl vocal and the other Beach Boys
said, hey Al keep this song for your album, we're gonna do this one instead, it works better on the ending medley suite
because of the key it's in.

I am just speculating, trying to make logical guesses. perhaps you could enlighten us.. As to the situation
with that track or song...

Maybe it's like a quantum physics particle, in two places at the same time. I could see if Jardine used the song as a bonus
track a few months after the Beach Boy album came out. For the life of me, I can't imagine premiering the song first on a solo
album, when the Group album is coming out six or eight weeks later to huge fnafare and anticipation.

No, my point was, you seem to know this is one of the 'great final BB songs', as you've made such an unequivocal statement. Most unwise in this company.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: pixletwin on March 13, 2012, 03:32:47 PM
Is Waves of Love better or worse than Don't Fight the Sea? Because imo DFtS is not a very good song.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: southbay on March 13, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
Is Waves of Love better or worse than Don't Fight the Sea? Because imo DFtS is not a very good song.

Same here.  Can we presume Al thought DFTS was the superior  track as he placed that on the original album over Waves of Love, or was there another reason ( i.e, Waves was simply not in a form that could be completed at the time?)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 13, 2012, 03:43:56 PM
Wall of Text posts are what make the internet great.

Nice seeing somebody with PASSION about something. So much apathy everywhere.

Passion or :smokin?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 13, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
If you search through vintagemusic's post history, you'll find not one post that is less than 3 full paragraphs.  I'm not saying there's a limit on how much anyone should post...but honestly, there's a time and a place.  This new album topic as it stands right now, does not call for large dissertations being written.

You'll get no argument from me Adolph, just tell me which freakin button to push, so I can resign my membership here,
and you and your pals, can meanwhile get elected to the selection committee

I no longer wish to be a part of this group, keep it, it belongs to you Adolph, just tell me which freakin
button to push, and I will never come here and disturb you and the other "superiors" again, fair enough
Adolph?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 13, 2012, 04:55:38 PM
If you search through vintagemusic's post history, you'll find not one post that is less than 3 full paragraphs.  I'm not saying there's a limit on how much anyone should post...but honestly, there's a time and a place.  This new album topic as it stands right now, does not call for large dissertations being written.

You'll get no argument from me Adolph, just tell me which freakin button to push, so I can resign my membership here,
and you and your pals, can meanwhile get elected to the selection committee

I no longer wish to be a part of this group, keep it, it belongs to you Adolph, just tell me which freakin
button to push, and I will never come here and disturb you and the other "superiors" again, fair enough
Adolph?

::) Quit being such a drama queen.   A little criticism won't hurt you. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: anazgnos on March 13, 2012, 04:57:14 PM
If you search through vintagemusic's post history, you'll find not one post that is less than 3 full paragraphs.  I'm not saying there's a limit on how much anyone should post...but honestly, there's a time and a place.  This new album topic as it stands right now, does not call for large dissertations being written.

You'll get no argument from me Adolph, just tell me which freakin button to push, so I can resign my membership here,
and you and your pals, can meanwhile get elected to the selection committee

I no longer wish to be a part of this group, keep it, it belongs to you Adolph, just tell me which freakin
button to push, and I will never come here and disturb you and the other "superiors" again, fair enough
Adolph?

::) Quit being such a drama queen.   A little criticism won't hurt you. 

Surely, the proper time to compare your situation to the death of millions of Jews is when people are vaguely annoyed at you on the internet.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 13, 2012, 05:03:49 PM
We're all such a testy bunch, so fuckin what if somebody likes writing long posts, it shouldn't matter at all

No need to make somebody who's doing no harm feel unwanted


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 13, 2012, 05:26:30 PM
If you search through vintagemusic's post history, you'll find not one post that is less than 3 full paragraphs.  I'm not saying there's a limit on how much anyone should post...but honestly, there's a time and a place.  This new album topic as it stands right now, does not call for large dissertations being written.

You'll get no argument from me Adolph, just tell me which freakin button to push, so I can resign my membership here,
and you and your pals, can meanwhile get elected to the selection committee

I no longer wish to be a part of this group, keep it, it belongs to you Adolph, just tell me which freakin
button to push, and I will never come here and disturb you and the other "superiors" again, fair enough
Adolph?

::) Quit being such a drama queen.   A little criticism won't hurt you. 

That's what I thought.  It wasn't just me but a few members that mentioned it.  It was an observation, nothing more.  No need for people to get in a huff over it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on March 13, 2012, 06:33:33 PM
Words! I'm typing words! Angry face  >:(


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: rab2591 on March 13, 2012, 06:47:48 PM
We're all such a testy bunch, so f*ckin what if somebody likes writing long posts, it shouldn't matter at all

No need to make somebody who's doing no harm feel unwanted

Wholeheartedly agree. All of this senseless bickering is ridiculous - I mean, i guess it's expected: we're all humans trying to boost our ego every chance we get. But come on guys, it's a Beach Boys forum, let's not get out of control lol.

Ps: Vintagemusic, please don't leave! I too enjoy your posts (ie, they're usually insightful, thought provoking, and they've never pissed me off). I'm glad you're not starting topics about your sex life, or rambling about what a joy acid and Love You are together, or picking senseless fights at every turn like other members here have done!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 13, 2012, 07:04:36 PM
You'll get no argument from me Adolph, just tell me which freakin button to push, so I can resign my membership here,
and you and your pals, can meanwhile get elected to the selection committee

I no longer wish to be a part of this group, keep it, it belongs to you Adolph, just tell me which freakin
button to push, and I will never come here and disturb you and the other "superiors" again, fair enough
Adolph?
Who's Adolph?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 13, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
We're all such a testy bunch, so f*ckin what if somebody likes writing long posts, it shouldn't matter at all

No need to make somebody who's doing no harm feel unwanted

Wholeheartedly agree. All of this senseless bickering is ridiculous

What else are you supposed to do on the Internet?  Get along?!

Ps: Vintagemusic, please don't leave! I too enjoy your posts (ie, they're usually insightful, thought provoking, and they've never pissed me off). I'm glad you're not starting topics about your sex life, or rambling about what a joy acid and Love You are together, or picking senseless fights at every turn like other members here have done!

I have nothing against Vintage; his Beatles posts were interesting at the very least.  But when one gets into a big huff over one little remark made about their pretentiousness, and then starts comparing themselves to the Holocaust, well they are practically *begging* to be mocked.  And I won't deny such requests.   :ohyeah


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 13, 2012, 07:36:01 PM
with references to Adolph Hitler, i can't tell if vintagemusic is 15 or 65.  REGARDLESS, i enjoy his posts.

anyway.  i would wager at least 5 dollars that waves of love isn't a very good song. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 13, 2012, 07:37:09 PM
"Waves of love" is also a phrase found in the lyrics to "Winds of Change."

Hmm. No it isn't. I could have sworn I heard it in a BB tune, though.

Pitter Patter. That's it. Although I guess they say "ways of love" there.

So, erm, nevermind.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 13, 2012, 08:35:34 PM
anyway.  i would wager at least 5 dollars that waves of love isn't a very good song.

It just needs that BW touch.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 14, 2012, 12:58:07 AM
Re: vintagemusic, just checked out the Beatles/Threatles thread, and frankly, his posts are very hard going, and close to unreadable because they're so very badly written (as they are here - if you mean to say "post-capitol era" then write "post-Capitol era") and definitely not proofed before being posted. He may be saying something of interest but it's difficult to tell. Is English his first language ?  If so, he should be thinking remedial classes.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jimmie_R on March 14, 2012, 02:28:04 AM
I hope they lay low with all the 80エs sounding keyboards! It makes me cringe..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: buddhahat on March 14, 2012, 02:46:43 AM
Re: vintagemusic, just checked out the Beatles/Threatles thread, and frankly, his posts are very hard going, and close to unreadable because they're so very badly written (as they are here - if you mean to say "post-capitol era" then write "post-Capitol era") and definitely not proofed before being posted. He may be saying something of interest but it's difficult to tell. Is English his first language ?  If so, he should be thinking remedial classes.

Oh stop bullying Vintagemusic, everyone. Since when is correct grammar and use of paragraphing a prerequisite of Smiley membership?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jimmie_R on March 14, 2012, 03:32:23 AM
Re: vintagemusic, just checked out the Beatles/Threatles thread, and frankly, his posts are very hard going, and close to unreadable because they're so very badly written (as they are here - if you mean to say "post-capitol era" then write "post-Capitol era") and definitely not proofed before being posted. He may be saying something of interest but it's difficult to tell. Is English his first language ?  If so, he should be thinking remedial classes.

Oh stop bullying Vintagemusic, everyone. Since when is correct grammar and use of paragraphing a prerequisite of Smiley membership?

Or any forum for that matter?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 14, 2012, 04:13:44 AM
Re: vintagemusic, just checked out the Beatles/Threatles thread, and frankly, his posts are very hard going, and close to unreadable because they're so very badly written (as they are here - if you mean to say "post-capitol era" then write "post-Capitol era") and definitely not proofed before being posted. He may be saying something of interest but it's difficult to tell. Is English his first language ?  If so, he should be thinking remedial classes.

Oh stop bullying Vintagemusic, everyone. Since when is correct grammar and use of paragraphing a prerequisite of Smiley membership?

I've always considered reasonable grammar, spelling and punctuation a prerequisite of being an averagely educated person. It helps you get your point across without being misunderstood. But maybe that's just me being unreasonable.

Mmmmmmmmmm...

No, I'm not being unreasonable in this supposition. It's a matter of basic education: there are people posting here whose first language isn't English, and they put him to shame. Note, I posted this after his tasteless "Adolf" comments which, as someone who lost family members in 1941 to the Nazi regime, I could legitimately raise an almighty stink about. But I'll just assume he's as ignorant of history as he is of basic grammar.

BTW, that's not bullying, that's pointing out that any ideas he may have to share are diminished by the poor presentation.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Real Barnyard on March 14, 2012, 04:27:55 AM
Probyn Gregory recording for the new album, and singing with Brian in the car!!

http://www.facebook.com/probyngregory


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 14, 2012, 05:09:59 AM
Ever think the reason people rag on Brian's band is because they are all secretly jealous they get to do sh*t like that?  :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 14, 2012, 07:49:05 AM
Ever think the reason people rag on Brian's band is because they are all secretly jealous they get to do sh*t like that?  :lol
There was a time (as I am sure you're aware, but some others on the board may not be) when Brian's band was universally respected. Now after a decade and change, it is not unheard of for Brian to tour constantly and release new albums on a consistent basis, so the inevitable backlash is in full swing.

"They're not the Beach Boys!" When that is the chief complaint about Brian's band, you know they are doing something right.

Also jealousy though, yes!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SMiLE-Holland on March 14, 2012, 07:56:43 AM
No, I'm not being unreasonable in this supposition. It's a matter of basic education: there are people posting here whose first language isn't English, and they put him to shame. Note, I posted this after his tasteless "Adolf" comments which, as someone who lost family members in 1941 to the Nazi regime, I could legitimately raise an almighty stink about. But I'll just assume he's as ignorant of history as he is of basic grammar.

... and in case fo the Adolph-remark: both.

But regarding the problem some people have with the "essays" that vintagemusic writes. Maybe to some it's not very readable, but - hey - you don't have to read it. And if we had to discuss everyones spelling errors here, than we might as well start a new sub-board...

Back on-topic please.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: drbeachboy on March 14, 2012, 08:47:19 AM
No, I'm not being unreasonable in this supposition. It's a matter of basic education: there are people posting here whose first language isn't English, and they put him to shame. Note, I posted this after his tasteless "Adolf" comments which, as someone who lost family members in 1941 to the Nazi regime, I could legitimately raise an almighty stink about. But I'll just assume he's as ignorant of history as he is of basic grammar.

... and in case fo the Adolph-remark: both.

But regarding the problem some people have with the "essays" that vintagemusic writes. Maybe to some it's not very readable, but - hey - you don't have to read it. And if we had to discuss everyones spelling errors here, than we might as well start a new sub-board...

Back on-topic please.
You are exactly right, and in some cases, I did just that and didn't read further. No excuse for spelling though, as we do have Spell Check here.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: vintagemusic on March 14, 2012, 10:50:43 AM
Re: vintagemusic, just checked out the Beatles/Threatles thread, and frankly, his posts are very hard going, and close to unreadable because they're so very badly written (as they are here - if you mean to say "post-capitol era" then write "post-Capitol era") and definitely not proofed before being posted. He may be saying something of interest but it's difficult to tell. Is English his first language ?  If so, he should be thinking remedial classes.

Oh stop bullying Vintagemusic, everyone. Since when is correct grammar and use of paragraphing a prerequisite of Smiley membership?

I've always considered reasonable grammar, spelling and punctuation a prerequisite of being an averagely educated person. It helps you get your point across without being misunderstood. But maybe that's just me being unreasonable.

Mmmmmmmmmm...

No, I'm not being unreasonable in this supposition. It's a matter of basic education: there are people posting here whose first language isn't English, and they put him to shame. Note, I posted this after his tasteless "Adolf" comments which, as someone who lost family members in 1941 to the Nazi regime, I could legitimately raise an almighty stink about. But I'll just assume he's as ignorant of history as he is of basic grammar.

BTW, that's not bullying, that's pointing out that any ideas he may have to share are diminished by the poor presentation.


Great critique Mr. Doe. Yes by the way I do know about history, especially the part about Nazi's. If I call someone Adolph, I guess it means, I am calling
them an intolerant ass. Yes I have spelling errors, I type quickly, have some visual problems, and probably should have used more caution.
I won't be  making anymore long posts, the question I asked, which still has not been answered, is which button do I push, to delete my
membership. I have my new album to worry about, my kids, my business, maintaining my home, and my disabled wife, the financial meltdown,
and I guess now, I should return the awards I've won for my songs, because apparently, I can't speak English well enough to deserve keeping them.

Yes I admit, I made some long posts, used some bad grammar and punctuation, and I as I said, I have visual problems on this laptop, I am remiss
in educating myself how to operate computers. I thought I was talking about the new Beach Boys album among friends, and didn't realize (until now)
what a burden it's been for some of you, Somehow paragraph formatting is coming out wrong when I type posts, so enough said, I'm sure I"ll be fine
elsewhere, and you'll be relieved of the burden of having to talk down to me.  Had you been truly concerned about my typing skills, surely a private email
would have shown a bit more class than to dress me down  in your posts, that goes for your friends as well. My view is that you are more comfortable
when free thinking newcomers to sully your otherwise pristine board are gone. OK enough said. All I need to know is which damn button gets me off of here.

I was educated in a way that encouraged, discussion, dialogue, questions, theories, I didn't realize there was some sort of Andrew Doe litmus test as to
someones level of formal education, income, political affiliation, or viewpoints. I hah, thought this was a Beach Boys discussion forum


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mike's Beard on March 14, 2012, 11:13:38 AM
Let's not drive members away guys.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Eireannach on March 14, 2012, 11:17:25 AM
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Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 14, 2012, 11:21:05 AM
But back to the album ...

The interview with Probyn thread has a lot of new stuff.

-- Joe Thomas is overseeing the band in the studio. Probyn said he thought he was an "executive producer."
-- Bruce seems to have written at least one song for the album.
-- Probyn has only played on a three or so tracks (at the time of the interview -- he seems to have done more since). Many more were recorded last year and early this year not including him (such as the God radio song).
-- He describes some of the other songs as sounding like "80's Beach Boys." If that means "Somewhere Near Japan," I'm in. If it means "Wipeout," we'll see.
-- Some of the songs feature a small chamber orchestra group.
-- Brian has co-written most of the songs, with Mike helping on a couple.
-- There may be theremin on at least one tune.
-- Apparently D'Amico and Walusko will be on the tour!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 14, 2012, 11:26:11 AM
Also, I think vintagmusic's posts are perfectly fine. He's on topic and he's engaged.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 14, 2012, 11:33:03 AM
But back to the album ...

The interview with Probyn thread has a lot of new stuff.

-- Joe Thomas is overseeing the band in the studio. Probyn said he thought he was an "executive producer."
-- Bruce seems to have written at least one song for the album.
-- Probyn has only played on a three or so tracks (at the time of the interview -- he seems to have done more since). Many more were recorded last year and early this year not including him (such as the God radio song).
-- He describes some of the other songs as sounding like "80's Beach Boys." If that means "Somewhere Near Japan," I'm in. If it means "Wipeout," we'll see.
-- Some of the songs feature a small chamber orchestra group.
-- Brian has co-written most of the songs, with Mike helping on a couple.
-- There may be theremin on at least one tune.
-- Apparently D'Amico and Walusko will be on the tour!

Yeah if I had to label this--considering what limited info we have---I'd say this was all very promising.  The fact that Probyn has such high regard for the "God/Radio" song says a lot, I think.  But I kinda wish we would've found that out on our own rather than by all this hype...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 14, 2012, 11:37:07 AM
Also, I think vintagmusic's posts are perfectly fine. He's on topic and he's engaged.

.............and I think he's from the San Francisco Bay Area, so he can't be all bad.  :P


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Mikie on March 14, 2012, 11:48:48 AM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 14, 2012, 11:57:45 AM
Well, Probyn seemed to suggest that the Stamos thing isn't as set as some here have suggested. The band doesn't know anything about it.

I will be very curious to see how all those musicians are used myself.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 14, 2012, 12:17:02 PM
-- Brian has co-written most of the songs, with Mike helping on a couple.
-- There may be theremin on at least one tune.
-- Apparently D'Amico and Walusko will be on the tour!
Very encouraging stuff!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on March 14, 2012, 12:26:07 PM
But back to the album ...

The interview with Probyn thread has a lot of new stuff.

-- Joe Thomas is overseeing the band in the studio. Probyn said he thought he was an "executive producer."
-- Bruce seems to have written at least one song for the album.
-- Probyn has only played on a three or so tracks (at the time of the interview -- he seems to have done more since). Many more were recorded last year and early this year not including him (such as the God radio song).
-- He describes some of the other songs as sounding like "80's Beach Boys." If that means "Somewhere Near Japan," I'm in. If it means "Wipeout," we'll see.
-- Some of the songs feature a small chamber orchestra group.
-- Brian has co-written most of the songs, with Mike helping on a couple.
-- There may be theremin on at least one tune.
-- Apparently D'Amico and Walusko will be on the tour!
"Sounding like 80's Beach Boys", oh dear that's just about the worse comparison he could have come up with. Does not whet my appetite. Could tie in with JT being an executive producer. I just hope his description is inaccurate.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 14, 2012, 12:32:33 PM
"Sounding like 80's Beach Boys", oh dear that's just about the worse comparison he could have come up with. Does not whet my appetite. Could tie in with JT being an executive producer.

Well, I would worry about it sounding like "90s Beach Boys" more. Summer in Paradise dates from 92, IIRC.

But yeah, if Joe Thomas is involved -- as we have known since late last year, at least -- the album will probably have a degree of slickness to it. I mean listen to the version of "Do It Again" that's out! I've been banging this drum for awhile now, and I'm astonished that people are still taken aback or trying to wishful-think their way out of this.

Joe Thomas involvement, Joe Thomas musicians = Slicker, adult contemporary sound.

That's just the way it is.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on March 14, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
"Sounding like 80's Beach Boys", oh dear that's just about the worse comparison he could have come up with. Does not whet my appetite. Could tie in with JT being an executive producer.

Well, I would worry about it sounding like "90s Beach Boys" more. Summer in Paradise dates from 92, IIRC.

But yeah, if Joe Thomas is involved -- as we have known since late last year, at least -- the album will probably have a degree of slickness to it. I mean listen to the version of "Do It Again" that's out! I've been banging this drum for awhile now, and I'm astonished that people are still taken aback or trying to wishful-think their way out of this.

Joe Thomas involvement, Joe Thomas musicians = Slicker, adult contemporary sound.

That's just the way it is.
You are likely right, but I just hope the fact that he may be an executive producer rather than producer as such might mean there's less slickness going on than might otherwise have been the case.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 14, 2012, 01:07:27 PM
Well to be honest, I've not heard any modern pop record to never sound "slick."  The only time I come across an true organic sound on any recent music, it's always coming from indie alt-country bands.  Even Amy Winehouse's "Back To Black" may have been ridiculously retro (yet still modern) but there was still some "slickness" to it.  There's no way around it...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on March 14, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
Well to be honest, I've not heard any modern pop record to never sound "slick."  The only time I come across an true organic sound on any recent music, it's always coming from indie alt-country bands.  Even Amy Winehouse's "Back To Black" may have been ridiculously retro (yet still modern) but there was still some "slickness" to it.  There's no way around it...

Plenty of ways around it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on March 14, 2012, 01:28:17 PM
Well to be honest, I've not heard any modern pop record to never sound "slick."  The only time I come across an true organic sound on any recent music, it's always coming from indie alt-country bands.  Even Amy Winehouse's "Back To Black" may have been ridiculously retro (yet still modern) but there was still some "slickness" to it.  There's no way around it...

Plenty of ways around it.
All you need is a decent producer........


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 14, 2012, 01:30:21 PM
Well to be honest, I've not heard any modern pop record to never sound "slick."  The only time I come across an true organic sound on any recent music, it's always coming from indie alt-country bands.  Even Amy Winehouse's "Back To Black" may have been ridiculously retro (yet still modern) but there was still some "slickness" to it.  There's no way around it...

Plenty of ways around it.

Yes, and all of them involve not hiring Joe Thomas.

That being said, I'd bet Joe has become involved mainly as a co-writer. And whatever one thinks of his production style, he has written some good tunes with Brian. (Your Imagination and Lay Down Burden, most notably.)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 14, 2012, 02:12:52 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 14, 2012, 02:20:54 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that

Well that's what I mean....there will be always be some element of "slick" in pop albums.  Plus, for most of us here who are used to listening to more raw/untouched music (as they did in the 60's/70's)...even the littlest amount of "slickness" will be noticed and perhaps be grating on our ears.   If they can achieve a great balance like Winehouse did--that would be a great thing.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 14, 2012, 02:50:46 PM

[/quote]
"Sounding like 80's Beach Boys", oh dear that's just about the worse comparison he could have come up with. Does not whet my appetite. Could tie in with JT being an executive producer. I just hope his description is inaccurate.
[/quote]
Whoa, I don't know. "80s"? I liked "Getcha Back". That's as far as I can go with something from that time.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on March 14, 2012, 03:08:42 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that

the 'props' go to Gabe Roth; the 'slick' to Ronson.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on March 14, 2012, 03:10:42 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that

Well that's what I mean....there will be always be some element of "slick" in pop albums.  Plus, for most of us here who are used to listening to more raw/untouched music (as they did in the 60's/70's)...even the littlest amount of "slickness" will be noticed and perhaps be grating on our ears.   If they can achieve a great balance like Winehouse did--that would be a great thing.

Aside from the tastes and behavior of human beings (such as Joe Thomas and the Beach Boys themselves), there is no reason an album can't be made today that is sonically very similar to a '60s album, i.e. without the 'slick'.

... I'm just saying, it's not like there is a veil of automatic 'slick' simply because this is 2012.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 14, 2012, 03:48:49 PM
Re: vintagemusic, just checked out the Beatles/Threatles thread, and frankly, his posts are very hard going, and close to unreadable because they're so very badly written (as they are here - if you mean to say "post-capitol era" then write "post-Capitol era") and definitely not proofed before being posted. He may be saying something of interest but it's difficult to tell. Is English his first language ?  If so, he should be thinking remedial classes.

Oh stop bullying Vintagemusic, everyone. Since when is correct grammar and use of paragraphing a prerequisite of Smiley membership?

I've always considered reasonable grammar, spelling and punctuation a prerequisite of being an averagely educated person. It helps you get your point across without being misunderstood. But maybe that's just me being unreasonable.

Mmmmmmmmmm...

No, I'm not being unreasonable in this supposition. It's a matter of basic education: there are people posting here whose first language isn't English, and they put him to shame. Note, I posted this after his tasteless "Adolf" comments which, as someone who lost family members in 1941 to the Nazi regime, I could legitimately raise an almighty stink about. But I'll just assume he's as ignorant of history as he is of basic grammar.

BTW, that's not bullying, that's pointing out that any ideas he may have to share are diminished by the poor presentation.


Great critique Mr. Doe. Yes by the way I do know about history, especially the part about Nazi's. If I call someone Adolph, I guess it means, I am calling
them an intolerant ass. Yes I have spelling errors, I type quickly, have some visual problems, and probably should have used more caution.
I won't be  making anymore long posts, the question I asked, which still has not been answered, is which button do I push, to delete my
membership. I have my new album to worry about, my kids, my business, maintaining my home, and my disabled wife, the financial meltdown,
and I guess now, I should return the awards I've won for my songs, because apparently, I can't speak English well enough to deserve keeping them.

Yes I admit, I made some long posts, used some bad grammar and punctuation, and I as I said, I have visual problems on this laptop, I am remiss
in educating myself how to operate computers. I thought I was talking about the new Beach Boys album among friends, and didn't realize (until now)
what a burden it's been for some of you, Somehow paragraph formatting is coming out wrong when I type posts, so enough said, I'm sure I"ll be fine
elsewhere, and you'll be relieved of the burden of having to talk down to me.  Had you been truly concerned about my typing skills, surely a private email
would have shown a bit more class than to dress me down  in your posts, that goes for your friends as well. My view is that you are more comfortable
when free thinking newcomers to sully your otherwise pristine board are gone. OK enough said. All I need to know is which damn button gets me off of here.

I was educated in a way that encouraged, discussion, dialogue, questions, theories, I didn't realize there was some sort of Andrew Doe litmus test as to
someones level of formal education, income, political affiliation, or viewpoints. I hah, thought this was a Beach Boys discussion forum

Firstly, I never complained about the length of your posts, just the poor writing. Secondly, I've been called far worse here and elsewhere: it's life, get used to it or get out of the kitchen. Thirdly, paragraphing is simple - you press the 'enter' key.

Finally, this is indeed a BB discussion forum, one that assumes not only a basic level of BB/BW knowledge but also an equal level of literacy.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 14, 2012, 04:05:52 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that
Daptone Studio's acoustics, equipment and owner deserve the props for the sound.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 14, 2012, 04:35:31 PM
Also, I think vintagmusic's posts are perfectly fine. He's on topic and he's engaged.

I agree w/ Wirestone on this.  The thread and exchange between VM & John Mill (on Beatles/Threetles) was quite brilliant, I thought.  I'm willing to overlook a few typos and crazy word wrapping.

That's Why God Invented The Internet.

And, seriously, not everyone can write as brilliantly as Mr. Doe!   ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 14, 2012, 04:41:35 PM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on March 14, 2012, 04:50:44 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that

the 'props' go to Gabe Roth; the 'slick' to Ronson.

The slickness in Back To Black is in that the rather small team of musicians play very tightly and "on it" while the overall sound/vibe is both retro and modern. The SOUND itself does not sound AOR at all......... to my ears.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Heysaboda on March 14, 2012, 04:55:52 PM
If there are some new songs after the fashion of Goin' On and Getcha back, plus Brian Wilson BV's and "slick orchestration", add to the mix songs by Al & Bruce:

Instant Classic!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on March 14, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that
Daptone Studio's acoustics, equipment and owner deserve the props for the sound.

That's what I said; Gabe Roth is the owner.  And the equipment and acoustics have less to do with it than him.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: DonnyL on March 14, 2012, 05:10:48 PM
Winehouse albums are slick, retro but then sound organic AND modern.  Def give props to ronson for that

the 'props' go to Gabe Roth; the 'slick' to Ronson.

The slickness in Back To Black is in that the rather small team of musicians play very tightly and "on it" while the overall sound/vibe is both retro and modern. The SOUND itself does not sound AOR at all......... to my ears.

nah, the slickness is Ronson & Winehouse (not present in the other Daptone recordings).


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Chris Brown on March 14, 2012, 05:29:09 PM
The 80's Beach Boys comment really scares me - that's a far cry from what we've heard from the boys, making comparisons to Pet Sounds and their 60's material.  As others have said, I suppose the involvement of Joe Thomas shouldn't make this much of a surprise, and maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I think that the "80's Beach Boys" sound needs to stay in the 80's, and nowhere near this album.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Dave in KC on March 14, 2012, 05:38:04 PM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

Dennis would have kicked his ass.



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 14, 2012, 05:40:29 PM
Well, first we all can be sure that the Pet Sounds comparisons are just promo. Especially with Mike I have the feeling that he always pulls out the Pet Sounds comparisons when talking about a ballad. Maybe the same goes for Al. But I really can't see how anyone really would believe the words of the guys that this new album will be any new Pet Sounds (and if it is I will be disappointed because I wouldn't like them to repeat themselves).

And secondly, 80s Beach Boys doesn't necessaily mean that they go for an 80s sound (I hope they won't). Maybe it's just (if you take Beach Boys '85 as an example) that everyone will contribute in songwriting. And say what you want, Beach Boys '85 was a very contemporary sounding record (I really like that album) so maybe that's what Probyn Gregory meant (contemporary; that would fit with his description of the Radio-song). We just have to wait.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: AllIWannaDo on March 14, 2012, 06:14:15 PM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

may i say i am slightly saddened with the poor grammar shown on here  :lol  :o :lol :lol :-X


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: donald on March 14, 2012, 09:03:03 PM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

A Stamos appearance would be retro to the wrong era.  But its hard to guess what this committee of Beachboys will do.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 14, 2012, 10:54:12 PM
"Sounding like 80's Beach Boys", oh dear that's just about the worse comparison he could have come up with. Does not whet my appetite. Could tie in with JT being an executive producer.

Well, I would worry about it sounding like "90s Beach Boys" more. Summer in Paradise dates from 92, IIRC.

But yeah, if Joe Thomas is involved -- as we have known since late last year, at least -- the album will probably have a degree of slickness to it. I mean listen to the version of "Do It Again" that's out! I've been banging this drum for awhile now, and I'm astonished that people are still taken aback or trying to wishful-think their way out of this.

Joe Thomas involvement, Joe Thomas musicians = Slicker, adult contemporary sound.

That's just the way it is.

Well I guess it could be worse--they could get Steve Levine to do the album...


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 14, 2012, 11:30:39 PM
but if probyn is calling JT "executive producer" and an "overseeer" then i don't see how his influence musically will be that prominent.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 14, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
I wonder when they'll get back to work on the album?...don't they have rehearsals for the tour to worry about pretty soon?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 14, 2012, 11:56:19 PM
but if probyn is calling JT "executive producer" and an "overseeer" then i don't see how his influence musically will be that prominent.

We'll see!

I wonder when they'll get back to work on the album?...don't they have rehearsals for the tour to worry about pretty soon?

They're working on it now. According to the Probyn interview, no rehearsals are planned until next month.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2012, 12:40:15 AM
but if probyn is calling JT "executive producer" and an "overseeer" then i don't see how his influence musically will be that prominent.

Think wider than just the album project (and this isn't any insider info - it's been underlined in a recent article).


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2012, 12:42:16 AM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

may i say i am slightly saddened with the poor grammar shown on here  :lol  :o :lol :lol :-X

Poor spelling, not poor grammar.  :-D  I offer you the Whitman defence:

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Smilin Ed H on March 15, 2012, 12:46:23 AM
The TV thing, right...?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 15, 2012, 01:27:40 AM
The new album should contain an ode to Andrew G. Doe, for all the dedication and work thoughout all those years.

Throw me a title, guys and gals.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Pretty Funky on March 15, 2012, 01:40:30 AM
Ode to Doe

The Good Grammer  Grammar Album


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on March 15, 2012, 02:29:55 AM
Doe, a seer, a Beach Boys seer..........


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 15, 2012, 02:57:36 AM
I present the two-birds/one stone solution - honour the recently deceased Whitney Houston and the owner of Farnham's loudest shirt by singing this to the popular air of the former, in 17 part harmony with Stamos on lead...

And AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-GEEEEEE-DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KNOWS BETTER THAN YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU (cue soaring Jeff falsetto)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: The Heartical Don on March 15, 2012, 03:13:20 AM
I present the two-birds/one stone solution - honour the recently deceased Whitney Houston and the owner of Farnham's loudest shirt by singing this to the popular air of the former, in 17 part harmony with Stamos on lead...

And AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-GEEEEEE-DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KNOWS BETTER THAN YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU (cue soaring Jeff falsetto)

 :lol

That is brilliant. I hear Phil Cohen's on drums.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2012, 03:41:06 AM
Doe, a seer, a Beach Boys seer..........

Stone fucking genius.  ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on March 15, 2012, 04:15:09 AM
Doe, a seer, a Beach Boys seer..........

Stone f*cking genius.  ;D

I thank you......

The musical's on the way!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: absinthe_boy on March 15, 2012, 05:07:46 AM
"A Day In the Life Of AGD" ???



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Val on March 15, 2012, 05:13:18 AM
"HE  Knows US Too Well"

 ;D

You know that you are all just encouraging him, don't you?

 8)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: jimmy1949 on March 15, 2012, 08:02:52 AM
Go ahead and encourage him!! I dig the guy and all his posts. I have even felt the wrath of AGD and wear my wounds proudly like battle scars!! :p :p :p


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rob Dean on March 15, 2012, 08:14:39 AM
"A Day In the Life Of AGD" ???



Doe Hurt My Little Sister
Doe It Again
Doe You Wanna Dance
Doe Go Near The Water
Doe , You Like Worms ??

There are some many of his hits , but my favourite hit of his is

'Doe Only Knows'

Sorry for the spealing errurs  ;D
Love You


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2012, 08:24:07 AM
"A Day In the Life Of AGD" ???



Doe Hurt My Little Sister
Doe It Again
Doe You Wanna Dance
Doe Go Near The Water
Doe , You Like Worms ??

There are some many of his hits , but my favourite hit of his is

'Doe Only Knows'

Sorry for the spealing errurs  ;D
Love You

Slow day in the office, huh Rob ?  :-D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Val on March 15, 2012, 11:25:49 AM
Go ahead and encourage him!! I dig the guy and all his posts. I have even felt the wrath of AGD and wear my wounds proudly like battle scars!! :p :p :p

Have you discussed your masochistic tendencies with your psycho analyst lately, jimmy?

I jest! I jest!

I too suffer the Wrath of Doe,  over the layout of the BBB mag, amongst  other things.   Don't ever tell him this, will you, but he is often right.

And he does stroke his beard before he gives you an answer.
 :wink


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 15, 2012, 12:47:07 PM
I just read the entire Probyn Gregory interview and I find it interesting that the only song he was raving about (or had anyting positive to elaborate on) was the God/Radio one that he didn't even play on.
He did say that some of the songs had a BBs '80s vibe to it as has been pointed out here already. I do not undertand that at all. Of all the  eras to sound like, that would certainly be one to avoid.
He didn't describe the songs that he worked on at all. I find that kind of puzzling, and not in a good way.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on March 15, 2012, 01:01:00 PM
I just read the entire Probyn Gregory interview and I find it interesting that the only song he was raving about (or had anyting positive to elaborate on) was the God/Radio one that he didn't even play on.
He did say that some of the songs had a BBs '80s vibe to it as has been pointed out here already. I do not undertand that at all. Of all the  eras to sound like, that would certainly be one to avoid.
He didn't describe the songs that he worked on at all. I find that kind of puzzling, and not in a good way.

I can ask him about it, it was just the way the conversation went. I wouldn't overly run into it....its really just a conversation between friends you are reading


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 15, 2012, 01:08:27 PM
I just read the entire Probyn Gregory interview and I find it interesting that the only song he was raving about (or had anyting positive to elaborate on) was the God/Radio one that he didn't even play on.
He did say that some of the songs had a BBs '80s vibe to it as has been pointed out here already. I do not undertand that at all. Of all the  eras to sound like, that would certainly be one to avoid.
He didn't describe the songs that he worked on at all. I find that kind of puzzling, and not in a good way.

I can ask him about it, it was just the way the conversation went. I wouldn't overly run into it....its really just a conversation between friends you are reading
Ah. That would be great, thanks. Would love to hear anything concerning the new recordinds/songs.!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Craig Boyd on March 15, 2012, 01:32:34 PM
Ah some of these posts made my day!  ;D



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 15, 2012, 01:53:14 PM
I just read the entire Probyn Gregory interview and I find it interesting that the only song he was raving about (or had anyting positive to elaborate on) was the God/Radio one that he didn't even play on.
He did say that some of the songs had a BBs '80s vibe to it as has been pointed out here already. I do not undertand that at all. Of all the  eras to sound like, that would certainly be one to avoid.
He didn't describe the songs that he worked on at all. I find that kind of puzzling, and not in a good way.

I can ask him about it, it was just the way the conversation went. I wouldn't overly run into it....its really just a conversation between friends you are reading
Ah. That would be great, thanks. Would love to hear anything concerning the new recordinds/songs.!

We'll know everything in a couple of months, good or bad.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wilson Love on March 15, 2012, 02:29:37 PM
Ah some of these posts made my day!  ;D


Ah, so. ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on March 15, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
I just read the entire Probyn Gregory interview and I find it interesting that the only song he was raving about (or had anyting positive to elaborate on) was the God/Radio one that he didn't even play on.
He did say that some of the songs had a BBs '80s vibe to it as has been pointed out here already. I do not undertand that at all. Of all the  eras to sound like, that would certainly be one to avoid.
He didn't describe the songs that he worked on at all. I find that kind of puzzling, and not in a good way.

I can ask him about it, it was just the way the conversation went. I wouldn't overly run into it....its really just a conversation between friends you are reading
Ah. That would be great, thanks. Would love to hear anything concerning the new recordinds/songs.!

We'll know everything in a couple of months, good or bad.

Yeah, I mean I don't want to bug him. It sounds like everything is going cool with the album


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Runaways on March 15, 2012, 04:42:54 PM
i wouldn't mind clarification on "80s", he had to know that's a bit of a red flag thing to say


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 15, 2012, 05:10:46 PM
i wouldn't mind clarification on "80s", he had to know that's a bit of a red flag thing to say
Well, Brian Wilson was a Beach Boy, and his 1988 solo album was great, so maybe that's what he was referring to?  ;)

EDIT:

An update from Mike via his Facebook page:

Quote
Thank you to everyone for the birthday wishes. I really appreciate the kindness. I am enjoying my birthday in Mexico with a little rest and relaxation before heading back into the studio finalizing the new album. Look for us coming soon on CBS Sunday morning news to be aired in the near future as Brian, Myself, Al, Bruce, and Marks share more of our 50th Anniversary plans with our fans. Can't wait to see everybody out on the road this year. Looking forward to celebrating the 50th with all our fans and friends.

Mucho Gusto,

Mike


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: jimmy1949 on March 15, 2012, 06:46:25 PM
Why did he refer to Dave as Marls? >:( >:(


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 15, 2012, 06:50:17 PM
He said "Marks"


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Micha on March 15, 2012, 10:41:07 PM
The new album should contain an ode to Andrew G. Doe, for all the dedication and work thoughout all those years.

Throw me a title, guys and gals.

D'oe!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 15, 2012, 11:41:34 PM
Why did he refer to Dave as Marls? >:( >:(

Same reason that just about everyone I know refers to a certain Alan as "Boyd".  :)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Awesoman on March 16, 2012, 03:46:06 AM
i wouldn't mind clarification on "80s", he had to know that's a bit of a red flag thing to say

Are we over-scrutinizing this comment? Yes--we are.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: hypehat on March 16, 2012, 04:27:08 AM
I think so - from Probyn's interview, it sounds like a lot of 'natural' instruments are being used. Mertens seems to be doing a lot of work, they're laying down possibly cello tracks (although Probyn's friend could well have been there as part of a larger ensemble), a few songs have french horn and stuff he plays, that sort of thing. I don't think they're mixing that up with OTT synth patches and vocal processing, ala BB85.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: LostArt on March 16, 2012, 04:47:45 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't try to read too much into the '80s comment.  He had only heard one tune, and if they were playing it for the media, it is probably near complete.  He said he only played on '3 or 4' others (at the time), and if he's doing instrumental tracking, he may have only heard parts of those songs, or only certain elements of those recordings...perhaps without vocals, as those are usually last.  So, let's just wait and see.  Mike said the songs were like mid-60's songs.  Brian said they were mellow, '60s style songs, but with some 2000's in there, too.  Probyn said a couple of the things he heard sound like the '80s Beach Boys, but he also said that the God/radio song sounded like it could be a hit today.  Again, we'll know soon enough.  Also looking forward to the CBS Sunday Morning segment. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jim V. on March 16, 2012, 07:11:12 AM
I think the '80s comment may stem from another thing. When listening to the vocals, he probably heard that "Kokomo"/"Still Cruisin'"/"Cool Head Warm Heart" kind of vocal from Mike, which accompanied by a slick sounding track blasting out of studio speakers, would probably sound '80s.

I think one thing a lot of people are forgetting is that Mike can't really sing like he used to. His voice is probably the weakest of the main surviving Beach Boys. Brian's voice might be a bit different than it used to be, but he still can turn out a strong vocal, whereas from listening to the albums worth of songs that Mike made in the early 2000's it sounds like the only voice he can do comfortably is that whispery "Kokomo" type delivery. And when he tries to sound like the guy who sang "I Get Around" or "California Girls" he ends up having to get super nasal, like "Getcha Back" or things of that nature.

I pretty much agree with whoever sound the sound will probably amount to Imagination meets That Lucky Old Sun. Which is fine with me. Because honestly, I love Imagination. It's my second favorite BW solo, behind his 1988 debut album. There are a few garbage songs on it, but his vocals were so great on it. My only thing is whether the material will be that great. I'm probably not in the majority, but I didn't think the songwriting on TLOS was that great. I never really go back to it. I know everybody loves "Midnight's Another Day" and others, but it really doesn't move me. "Good Kind of Love" is good though, very Brian. But I'm really hoping that being back with The Beach Boys really inspired him to pull out some classic material on this one.

But overall, and I have nothing to found this on but speculation, I think vocally this will be the best Beach Boys album since Sunflower. Say what you will about Imagination, but the vocals, in my opinion, sounded absolutely gorgeous from Brian. And now, coupled with the fact that Brian is singing with a subtlety and emotion that we hadn't heard in years, I think there is gonna be some special moments if Brian comes up with some worthy songs. I think Al and Bruce will sound great too, and combined with the more mellow Mike Love vocal delivery, I think the album will be, as Brian has said, mellow with great vocals.

*Sorry for going all vintagemusic on you guys. I just kept writing and writing, ha.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 16, 2012, 08:52:23 AM
What year was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" originally written/recorded?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jim V. on March 16, 2012, 11:02:31 AM
What year was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" originally written/recorded?

Well, I assume it was probably recorded around 2003 or so, because I'm pretty sure Mike's "album" leaked around 2004 or 2005.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 16, 2012, 11:09:53 AM
What year was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" originally written/recorded?

Well, I assume it was probably recorded around 2003 or so, because I'm pretty sure Mike's "album" leaked around 2004 or 2005.
there's an older recording but I'm not sure if it's from the late 70's or early 80's


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on March 16, 2012, 12:10:00 PM
I think the '80s comment may stem from another thing. When listening to the vocals, he probably heard that "Kokomo"/"Still Cruisin'"/"Cool Head Warm Heart" kind of vocal from Mike, which accompanied by a slick sounding track blasting out of studio speakers, would probably sound '80s.

I think one thing a lot of people are forgetting is that Mike can't really sing like he used to. His voice is probably the weakest of the main surviving Beach Boys. Brian's voice might be a bit different than it used to be, but he still can turn out a strong vocal, whereas from listening to the albums worth of songs that Mike made in the early 2000's it sounds like the only voice he can do comfortably is that whispery "Kokomo" type delivery. And when he tries to sound like the guy who sang "I Get Around" or "California Girls" he ends up having to get super nasal, like "Getcha Back" or things of that nature.


Mike reached his nasal zenith in 1983. Since then, his singing became gradually more natural. You can hear him in videos from recent shows sounding better than 20 years ago. Besides, all of them can sound great in the studio...

The biggest difference between studio and stage is Brian's, though: he's still to sing a decent California Girls (the 2008 video recently posted is good only of you are familiar with the standard), and yet is sounding gorgeous in recent albums. An then, he sang really good in the Grammy ceremony.

I don't know, I think the pieces are falling in the right places for this celebration. Seems like all of them will be more than up to it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 16, 2012, 12:27:38 PM
What year was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" originally written/recorded?

Well, I assume it was probably recorded around 2003 or so, because I'm pretty sure Mike's "album" leaked around 2004 or 2005.
there's an older recording but I'm not sure if it's from the late 70's or early 80's

Do you know if this is available on any bootlegs?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 16, 2012, 12:29:55 PM
What year was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" originally written/recorded?

Well, I assume it was probably recorded around 2003 or so, because I'm pretty sure Mike's "album" leaked around 2004 or 2005.
there's an older recording but I'm not sure if it's from the late 70's or early 80's

Do you know if this is available on any bootlegs?
it exists but I don't know which boot it's on..I think it's a solo boot of Mike maybe even "First love" or one of those..


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 16, 2012, 02:06:15 PM
What year was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" originally written/recorded?

Well, I assume it was probably recorded around 2003 or so, because I'm pretty sure Mike's "album" leaked around 2004 or 2005.
there's an older recording but I'm not sure if it's from the late 70's or early 80's

Do you know if this is available on any bootlegs?
it exists but I don't know which boot it's on..I think it's a solo boot of Mike maybe even "First love" or one of those..

You're getting your songs confused - there are several re-recorded First Love songs on MLNW, but "Cool Head..." isn't one of them. It's a relatively new composition, and the only version I'm aware of is the finished one we all know.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: coco1997 on March 16, 2012, 02:10:49 PM
You're getting your songs confused - there are several re-recorded First Love songs on MLNW, but "Cool Head..." isn't one of them. It's a relatively new composition, and the only version I'm aware of is the finished one we all know.
Thanks for the clarification, Andrew!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: joshferrell on March 17, 2012, 10:35:44 AM
opps sorry it was "Too Cruel" I was thinking of


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: GuyOnTheBeach on March 18, 2012, 10:53:04 AM
opps sorry it was "Too Cruel" I was thinking of

I love that song!, I think it'd still be a very radio friendly track too

[EDIT]
Actually, if Mike is going to be looking at that album for material, I'd love to hear what they could do with "Pisces Brothers"


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SloopJohnB on March 18, 2012, 11:16:55 AM

Actually, if Mike is going to be looking at that album for material, I'd love to hear what they could do with "Pisces Brothers"

Some call it cheesy, and I can see their point, but I really like this track. I'm not sure it belongs on the new BB album though, because that'd be yet another BB-Beatles link, and we don't need that.

Mike's still-unreleased recent solo effort had quite a few good tunes.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Jim V. on March 18, 2012, 05:05:04 PM
I think Mike's last unreleased album did have a few really nice tunes, but if I'm given the choice of either having a Mike Love composition or an unheard Brian Wilson composition, I'm gonna go with Brian's. Even though some of the songs from Mike's latest work were pretty good, I think the only that is truly Beach Boys worthy is "Cool Head". The others are good within a Mike Love solo project, but I think the standard for material should be a bit higher than that for this Beach Boys album. Maybe it'll come to be known that Mike's stuff was better than the stuff that they came up with for the new album, but I doubt it.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: RCTID on March 18, 2012, 05:20:14 PM
if we're talking 80's sound and solo Mike Love tracks... i think they should bust out a cover of "Rockin' the Man in the Boat"


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Alex on March 18, 2012, 09:47:50 PM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

may i say i am slightly saddened with the poor grammar shown on here  :lol  :o :lol :lol :-X

Poor spelling, not poor grammar.  :-D  I offer you the Whitman defence:

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."

Sorry, but I've got to call you (and for that matter, all Brits) out on this one: D-E-F-E-N-S-E         :lol


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 19, 2012, 12:59:46 AM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

may i say i am slightly saddened with the poor grammar shown on here  :lol  :o :lol :lol :-X

Poor spelling, not poor grammar.  :-D  I offer you the Whitman defence:

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."

Sorry, but I've got to call you (and for that matter, all Brits) out on this one: D-E-F-E-N-S-E         :lol

You Americans have America's Band, we Brits have the English language. Read the name. It's named after a place in Britland, called England.

You know, near London.

We Brits have always cherished both.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on March 19, 2012, 01:04:17 AM
Richard II (circa 1595), act 2 scene 1:

"This happy breed of men, this little world,
This precious stone set in the silver sea,
Which serves it in the office of a wall,
Or as a moat defensive to a house..."

 ;D


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Nicko1234 on March 19, 2012, 03:30:00 AM
I think Mike's last unreleased album did have a few really nice tunes, but if I'm given the choice of either having a Mike Love composition or an unheard Brian Wilson composition, I'm gonna go with Brian's. Even though some of the songs from Mike's latest work were pretty good, I think the only that is truly Beach Boys worthy is "Cool Head". The others are good within a Mike Love solo project, but I think the standard for material should be a bit higher than that for this Beach Boys album. Maybe it'll come to be known that Mike's stuff was better than the stuff that they came up with for the new album, but I doubt it.

Daybreak is absolutely worthy of revisiting. Remarkably dumb of the band not to have done so already.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Rocker on March 19, 2012, 05:39:06 AM
I think Mike's last unreleased album did have a few really nice tunes, but if I'm given the choice of either having a Mike Love composition or an unheard Brian Wilson composition, I'm gonna go with Brian's. Even though some of the songs from Mike's latest work were pretty good, I think the only that is truly Beach Boys worthy is "Cool Head". The others are good within a Mike Love solo project, but I think the standard for material should be a bit higher than that for this Beach Boys album. Maybe it'll come to be known that Mike's stuff was better than the stuff that they came up with for the new album, but I doubt it.

Daybreak is absolutely worthy of revisiting.


Yeah, that song came to my mind as well.
I also love "I don't wanna know" (the original from the 70s is also great). Imo one of Mike's best songs ever. But it wouldn't fit on a Beach Boys album imo unless it's a Wild Honey-style record


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Roger Ryan on March 19, 2012, 01:12:09 PM
According to the examiner.com, Mark Lindsay (of Paul Revere & The Raiders) has co-written a  song with Brian on the new Beach Boys album...

http://www.examiner.com/retro-music-in-austin/mark-lindsay-of-the-raiders-releases-new-cd-writes-song-for-beach-boys-album


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on March 19, 2012, 02:36:42 PM
What's D'Amico gonna do. His initial responsibility in Brian's band was a percussionist, then Nelson took over after Mike left. Then he got back in the band and became the drummer after Sucherman and Hines left. He's another multi-talented guy, though, and can play guitar, keys, and bass when called upon.

But The Boys already have a drummer and 1/2 in Cowsill and Stamos and about 5 guitarists, two keyboardists, and a bass player.  Man, if D'Amico joins too, that stage is really gonna be full!

I seriously doubt Stamos will feature on any more than a very few US shows: remember how he announced he was taking part than swiftly retracted it a few days later ? Personally speaking, one would be far too many.

may i say i am slightly saddened with the poor grammar shown on here  :lol  :o :lol :lol :-X

Poor spelling, not poor grammar.  :-D  I offer you the Whitman defence:

"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."

Sorry, but I've got to call you (and for that matter, all Brits) out on this one: D-E-F-E-N-S-E         :lol

You Americans have America's Band, we Brits have the English language. Read the name. It's named after a place in Britland, called England.

You know, near London.

We Brits have always cherished both.

We should copyright the English language, and penalise cuuntries who misspell words!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on March 19, 2012, 02:42:28 PM
According to the examiner.com, Mark Lindsay (of Paul Revere & The Raiders) has co-written a  song with Brian on the new Beach Boys album...

http://www.examiner.com/retro-music-in-austin/mark-lindsay-of-the-raiders-releases-new-cd-writes-song-for-beach-boys-album

Interesting if Brian really did write a song with him.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: the professor on March 19, 2012, 09:48:48 PM
This is getting rather far afield.. I hate to seem so pedantic, but may we have  more scholarly, focused discussions with real information according to the rubric of this topic? Perhaps I do not understand the genre of a message board, but I want concrete information and  learned speculation.  The Lindsay info is usefully, but much else is off topic over the past several days. Perhaps it is simply the product of our collective frustration and anticipation over this new album?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: b00ts on March 19, 2012, 09:56:47 PM
This is getting rather far afield.. I hate to seem so pedantic, but may we have  more scholarly, focused discussions with real information according to the rubric of this topic? Perhaps I do not understand the genre of a message board, but I want concrete information and  learned speculation.  The Lindsay info is usefully, but much else is off topic over the past several days. Perhaps it is simply the product of our collective frustration and anticipation over this new album?
The genre of a message board? Use the Professor persona only when you understand the words you are typing.

If you really don't understand messageboards, there is a great introduction: some jerk correcting your grammar/spelling/syntax.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: endofposts on March 19, 2012, 11:18:57 PM
This is getting rather far afield.. I hate to seem so pedantic, but may we have  more scholarly, focused discussions with real information according to the rubric of this topic? Perhaps I do not understand the genre of a message board, but I want concrete information and  learned speculation.  The Lindsay info is usefully, but much else is off topic over the past several days. Perhaps it is simply the product of our collective frustration and anticipation over this new album?

Van Dyke?  Is that you?



Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Wirestone on March 19, 2012, 11:27:37 PM
This is getting rather far afield.. I hate to seem so pedantic, but may we have  more scholarly, focused discussions with real information according to the rubric of this topic? Perhaps I do not understand the genre of a message board, but I want concrete information and  learned speculation.  The Lindsay info is usefully, but much else is off topic over the past several days. Perhaps it is simply the product of our collective frustration and anticipation over this new album?

Van Dyke?  Is that you?



I think it might be!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 19, 2012, 11:38:17 PM
Judging by his posting history it's not

VDP would not watch the "do it again" video 400 times


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: endofposts on March 19, 2012, 11:39:23 PM
Hiding by his posting history it's not

VDP would not watch the "do it again" video 400 times

He's trying to be ironic and facetious.  That's how he rolls. 


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Justin on March 20, 2012, 12:18:02 AM
Not sure where to post this picture but anyway...

From Mike's FB...over the weekend while in Mexico during his birthday.  Anyone know why Bruce has ear monitors?  Did they do perform while in Mexico?  Seems a bit weird....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430406_270553646356817_125419450870238_604938_1761731054_n.jpg)


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Shady on March 20, 2012, 12:33:07 AM
Looks like the boys were at Philip greens exclusive birthday

They must have performed


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: John Manning on March 20, 2012, 12:43:16 AM
Maybe he was on his 401th listen of DIA, on his iPod?


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Outtasight! on March 20, 2012, 06:17:21 AM
This is getting rather far afield.. I hate to seem so pedantic, but may we have  more scholarly, focused discussions with real information according to the rubric of this topic? Perhaps I do not understand the genre of a message board, but I want concrete information and  learned speculation.  The Lindsay info is usefully, but much else is off topic over the past several days. Perhaps it is simply the product of our collective frustration and anticipation over this new album?
Ooo get you sista!


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Autotune on March 20, 2012, 07:45:51 AM
Not sure where to post this picture but anyway...

From Mike's FB...over the weekend while in Mexico during his birthday.  Anyone know why Bruce has ear monitors?  Did they do perform while in Mexico?  Seems a bit weird....

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430406_270553646356817_125419450870238_604938_1761731054_n.jpg)

So, Bruce was a guest at Mike's b-day party in Mexico, huh? I guess those two are real buddies then.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: Aegir on March 20, 2012, 08:20:49 AM
They might just be ear plugs.


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: jimmy1949 on March 20, 2012, 08:38:18 AM
And Ronnie Wood too!!! :smokin :smokin


Title: Re: New album info (as it rolls out...)
Post by: SBonilla on March 20, 2012, 09:02:08 AM