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Title: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Shady on January 09, 2012, 07:21:42 PM
Great article..

The next few months are going to be really interesting

http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/story/2012-01-08/beach-boys-tour-50th-anniversary/52457292/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/story/2012-01-08/beach-boys-tour-50th-anniversary/52457292/1)


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 09, 2012, 07:42:33 PM
I have a feeling that on the surface things should go well. It would appear that Capitol and other parties may have invested some serious money in this 50th and IMO they will have demanded some conditions including a certain amount of control, group members signing for 50 gigs and a agreement to be on their best behavior.

The press release from last month was vetted and approved as safe and ticked all the 'feel good' boxes for me.

Quote

Brian Wilson says, "This anniversary is special to me because I miss the boys and it will be a thrill for me to make a new record and be on stage with them again."

Mike Love says, "We got together at Capitol Records and re-recorded 'Do It Again.'  Brian and I wrote that song which went to number 1 in Great Britain, Australia and elsewhere some 44 years ago.  Brian paid me a compliment saying, 'How can a guy sound that great so many years later?'  Later on, while working out some harmonies on a new song Brian had written, I got a chance to return the compliment.  It was a thrill to be around a piano again with Brian, Alan and Bruce and experience firsthand the brilliance of Cousin Brian's gift for vocal arrangements.  I am very much looking forward to David Marks joining us and thrilling with his surf guitar licks.  Music has been the unifying and harmonizing fact of life in our family since childhood.  It has been a huge blessing that we have been able to share with the world.  Wouldn't It Be Nice to Do It Again?  Absolutely!"

Al Jardine says, "The Beach Boys were recently inducted into the California Hall of Fame.  From our humble beginnings as brothers, cousins and friends, we have been honored to sing the praises of California, and I'm really excited for our fans to be able to see us again in concert on the world stage, and to celebrate our 50th anniversary together with a new studio album."

Bruce Johnston says, "I will be looking forward to singing Brian Wilson's melodies and Mike Love's lyrics once again in concert with many of the original band members, but imagine what we all could come up with vocally in a recording studio atmosphere under Brian's musical direction."

David Marks says, "I'm really looking forward to celebrating this important milestone in The Beach Boys' history with the other guys, and with Capitol Records - where it all began 50 years ago.  It means a lot to me that we can all reunite and pay tribute to the fans who have kept the music alive."

end quote.



.....of course what goes on behind the PR execs could be very different! ;)


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Mr. Wilson on January 09, 2012, 07:47:40 PM
That last statement sounds like political dogma makin sure we dont get sued,,,IMHO


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Justin on January 09, 2012, 07:48:05 PM
You think there are official written/unwritten rules for the tour to ensure that there is no drama?  I wonder if there are such stipulations specifically for other members of the band in relation to Brian....?


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 09, 2012, 07:59:31 PM
Well its relative. I doubt if a group of 70 year olds are going to mix with groupies or hookers but any press conference expect nothing but good vibes. Any recording sessions will require a reasonable participation level. That type of thing.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Shady on January 09, 2012, 08:02:25 PM
I'm just gonna throw it out there..

I would think Melinda is ruling with an iron fist in the negotiations

See the puss on her face in the "Do it again" video


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 09, 2012, 08:09:04 PM
Don't say puss.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 09, 2012, 08:37:56 PM
I'm just gonna throw it out there..

I would think Melinda is ruling with an iron fist in the negotiations

See the puss on her face in the "Do it again" video

Good job if she is. Brians not there for the money. I would expect her and Jeff will have his best interests at heart and try to bring US a great 2012 celebration involving him.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chris Brown on January 09, 2012, 08:58:22 PM
Don't say puss.

 One of my favorite Brian quotes ;D


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Eric Aniversario on January 09, 2012, 10:53:58 PM
I don't see how they got the number "45"...they haven't toured together in 45 years??  This exact configuration with these 5 BB's hasn't toured together ever (I think Dave Marks may have appeared at a couple of early 70's shows?)  Brian did some shows with them in 1996, and throughout much of the 70's and early to mid 80's.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 09, 2012, 11:18:52 PM
Easier to pick a number than try to write a time-line perhaps. The only constant really for the 50 years is Mike.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Ron on January 09, 2012, 11:21:00 PM
You think there are official written/unwritten rules for the tour to ensure that there is no drama?  I wonder if there are such stipulations specifically for other members of the band in relation to Brian....?

I believe I saw somewhere that they had a rider several years ago that included something about "No animals backstage" (because Brian would play with the animals and not take the stage) and "No Blue Bic Cigarette Lighters" or something similar because Brian was afraid of them.









Now.  Imagine what this new rider's going to look like.  Geesh. 


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Ron on January 09, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
I'm just gonna throw it out there..

I would think Melinda is ruling with an iron fist in the negotiations

See the puss on her face in the "Do it again" video

Good job if she is. Brians not there for the money.

That's not what BRIAN said, lol. 


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Justin on January 09, 2012, 11:33:32 PM
Now.  Imagine what this new rider's going to look like.  Geesh. 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was a rule that Mike was not allowed to speak to Brian any time offstage....or that their dressing rooms don't touch or something...


How does Brian feel about blue bic lighters in the crowd when he would ask people to light them so he and Jeff could count them from the stage?   Weird one about the animals!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: c-man on January 10, 2012, 08:16:01 AM
I don't see how they got the number "45"...they haven't toured together in 45 years??  This exact configuration with these 5 BB's hasn't toured together ever (I think Dave Marks may have appeared at a couple of early 70's shows?)  Brian did some shows with them in 1996, and throughout much of the 70's and early to mid 80's.

Yeah, it seems she took the fact that Brian stopped touring with the rest of them in the mid-'60s as the final word, instead of a temporary situation.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Rocker on January 10, 2012, 08:26:58 AM
I don't see how they got the number "45"...they haven't toured together in 45 years??  This exact configuration with these 5 BB's hasn't toured together ever (I think Dave Marks may have appeared at a couple of early 70's shows?)  Brian did some shows with them in 1996, and throughout much of the 70's and early to mid 80's.

Yeah, it seems she took the fact that Brian stopped touring with the rest of them in the mid-'60s as the final word, instead of a temporary situation.


It's all about the myth. Brian's first tour with the Beach Boys since '64 sounds much more important and commercial attractive then Brian's first tour with them since '96 or something



Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Summertime Blooz on January 10, 2012, 08:55:33 AM
Good to see some interest in the press, but no, this was not a good article.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2012, 09:17:59 AM

How does Brian feel about blue bic lighters in the crowd when he would ask people to light them so he and Jeff could count them from the stage?   Weird one about the animals!

I may be wrong about this whole thing, I'm surprised someone hasn't chided in and corrected me yet, but AS I UNDERSTAND IT (I could be wrong) that's the whole point of the count cigarette lighters joke.  He used to be afraid of them. 


I MAY BE WRONG. 


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Roger Ryan on January 10, 2012, 09:59:48 AM
Just about every national news item I've seen on the reunion reports that the members are touring together for the "first time in 45 years" or the "first time since 1965".

That would be a great hook if true, but it's not even close. Who's handling this PR? Another national story recently claimed that Brian left the band after the SMiLE sessions collapsed and is only returning now!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Paul J B on January 10, 2012, 10:44:03 AM
I don't see how they got the number "45"...they haven't toured together in 45 years??  This exact configuration with these 5 BB's hasn't toured together ever (I think Dave Marks may have appeared at a couple of early 70's shows?)  Brian did some shows with them in 1996, and throughout much of the 70's and early to mid 80's.

Because what passes as reporting or journalism these days in particular is a joke. People are told to run a story or piece and they print what they heard or has already been heard even if it's utter crap.

Kinda like it was mostly Mike's fault that Smile was shelved. It only took 45 years to bust that myth.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Mike's Beard on January 10, 2012, 10:47:15 AM
Really? It's been busted? Looks like somebody forgot to tell the bozos on youtube.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
I don't get the part about the idea of the tour being to position Mike as Brian's creative equal! I've heard nothing from Mike or anyone else involved that remotely suggests such a thing. Everyone: Mike, Al, Bruce, Dave all praise Brian to high heaven as THE genius and guiding force! Mike making mention of his contributions might bother some people, but he's speaking the truth, like it or not. And speaking of his contributions is in no way making a claim as a creative equal to Brian and no one should take it that way. I'll bet if Mike felt he was Brian's creative equal, he'd have no problem stating it openly and emphatically. Too many people don't like when he takes credit for a damn thing. Even things they know he did/contributed. For some reason he's supposed to deny he brought anything to the table and just suck it all up for 50 years.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 01:14:16 PM
I'll bet if Mike felt he was Brian's creative equal, he'd have no problem stating it openly and emphatically.

That's true. He had no problem taking credit for the band's success.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Jim V. on January 10, 2012, 02:03:56 PM
Honestly, its not Mike that annoys me by putting himself up there as the equal of Brian, its the Robin to his Batman. You might know him as Bruce Johnston. Note in the press release where he says something like, "I will be looking forward to singing Brian Wilson's melodies and Mike Love's lyrics once again in concert."

I just think that reeks of Bruce trying to somewhat re-write history by making it sound like Mike was the bands main lyric writer, which just isn't true. Unless of course they aren't singing Roger Christian, Gary Usher, Van Dyke Parks, Tony Asher, etc. lyrics. Mike's mouthpiece (Bruce) can try to spin it whatever way he wants, but it was the drug addicted, mentally ill guy who was the biggest player in the group, not the fun-in-the-sun, meditating. non drug user. Personally, I like Mike, and he was a very big deal in the band, but he was definitely NOT Brian's equal. And I resent that Bruce tries to spin it that way. Bruce has this real underhanded way of insulting Brian in interviews too.  Not in this press release, but yeah.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
"Taking credit for the band's success"?

In order for him to do that he'd have to claim that he did everything, which he's never done. All he's done is pointed to his contributions and that he was positive as opposed to Brian being melancholy and how that positive vibe resonated with people. Big deal.

Same goes for Bruce saying he's looking forward to singing Mike's lyrics onstage! So what if he says this? He's obviously not referring to ALL the lyrics to all of the Beach Boys songs. Maybe he just has a soft spot for Mike's lyrics. Once again, big freaking deal.

I really can't wrap my mind around this. How much adulation/credit/claims (indeed true) of genius can Brian be lavished with over the past 50 years to where it will be OK for Mike or anyone else to get a high five for anything they might have brought to the table?

I really really really wish this silliness would stop. The bloo board is open to the public, right? Maybe there should be some migration happening.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 02:26:44 PM
but I know it never will....


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: oldsurferdude on January 10, 2012, 02:27:26 PM
Nah, it's just Bruth's way of kissin' Myke's ass that's all. He know where his bread is buttered and who's in charge. ;)


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 02:29:17 PM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Wirestone on January 10, 2012, 02:51:51 PM
"Taking credit for the band's success"?

In order for him to do that he'd have to claim that he did everything, which he's never done. All he's done is pointed to his contributions and that he was positive as opposed to Brian being melancholy and how that positive vibe resonated with people. Big deal.

Same goes for Bruce saying he's looking forward to singing Mike's lyrics onstage! So what if he says this? He's obviously not referring to ALL the lyrics to all of the Beach Boys songs. Maybe he just has a soft spot for Mike's lyrics. Once again, big freaking deal.

I really can't wrap my mind around this. How much adulation/credit/claims (indeed true) of genius can Brian be lavished with over the past 50 years to where it will be OK for Mike or anyone else to get a high five for anything they might have brought to the table?

I really really really wish this silliness would stop. The bloo board is open to the public, right? Maybe there should be some migration happening.

Part of what makes this board work is the diversity of views. Trying to purge people who are supportive of Brian would only lead to a mirror image of the blue, with everyone blindly agreeing with one another. Why would you want that? Or is it too difficult to continually defend someone as unlovable as Mike?

Nothing irks me more on this board than people suggesting it should have a party line. That is nonsense. There should be space for all here.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2012, 02:58:56 PM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.

Exactly.  First of all, Mike works his ass off, has for 50 years now... and Bruce is there the whole time, even though he's becoming an old man, and is a multimillionaire before he even made any money in music?  The guy obviously does it because he enjoys it and is doing it for the fans.

That's something people forget too, Mike and Bruce are doing a service to their fans!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 03:05:57 PM
"Taking credit for the band's success"?

In order for him to do that he'd have to claim that he did everything, which he's never done. All he's done is pointed to his contributions and that he was positive as opposed to Brian being melancholy and how that positive vibe resonated with people. Big deal.

Same goes for Bruce saying he's looking forward to singing Mike's lyrics onstage! So what if he says this? He's obviously not referring to ALL the lyrics to all of the Beach Boys songs. Maybe he just has a soft spot for Mike's lyrics. Once again, big freaking deal.

I really can't wrap my mind around this. How much adulation/credit/claims (indeed true) of genius can Brian be lavished with over the past 50 years to where it will be OK for Mike or anyone else to get a high five for anything they might have brought to the table?

I really really really wish this silliness would stop. The bloo board is open to the public, right? Maybe there should be some migration happening.

Part of what makes this board work is the diversity of views. Trying to purge people who are supportive of Brian would only lead to a mirror image of the blue, with everyone blindly agreeing with one another. Why would you want that? Or is it too difficult to continually defend someone as unlovable as Mike?

Nothing irks me more on this board than people suggesting it should have a party line. That is nonsense. There should be space for all here.

Point taken, but I'd rather a "diversity of opinions" mean something other than the party-line of Brian: genius - Mike: sucks!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: filledeplage on January 10, 2012, 03:12:54 PM
Now.  Imagine what this new rider's going to look like.  Geesh. 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was a rule that Mike was not allowed to speak to Brian any time offstage....or that their dressing rooms don't touch or something...


How does Brian feel about blue bic lighters in the crowd when he would ask people to light them so he and Jeff could count them from the stage?   Weird one about the animals!

My guess is that since a lighter is an "incendiary" device, and most US venues are smoke-free, it's more likely than not, that their use indoors in a mobbed venue is against fire laws.  Cell phones simulate the lit candle effect.  ;)



Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Heysaboda on January 10, 2012, 03:13:43 PM
THE BEACH BOYS ARE TOURING FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1492!

HUZZAH!

 >:D


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 03:14:55 PM
"Taking credit for the band's success"?

In order for him to do that he'd have to claim that he did everything, which he's never done. All he's done is pointed to his contributions and that he was positive as opposed to Brian being melancholy and how that positive vibe resonated with people. Big deal.

Same goes for Bruce saying he's looking forward to singing Mike's lyrics onstage! So what if he says this? He's obviously not referring to ALL the lyrics to all of the Beach Boys songs. Maybe he just has a soft spot for Mike's lyrics. Once again, big freaking deal.

I really can't wrap my mind around this. How much adulation/credit/claims (indeed true) of genius can Brian be lavished with over the past 50 years to where it will be OK for Mike or anyone else to get a high five for anything they might have brought to the table?

I really really really wish this silliness would stop. The bloo board is open to the public, right? Maybe there should be some migration happening.

Part of what makes this board work is the diversity of views. Trying to purge people who are supportive of Brian would only lead to a mirror image of the blue, with everyone blindly agreeing with one another. Why would you want that? Or is it too difficult to continually defend someone as unlovable as Mike?

Nothing irks me more on this board than people suggesting it should have a party line. That is nonsense. There should be space for all here.

And I also don't consider constantly trying to debunk or scoff at any claims of credit by Mike or anyone else as being necessarily supportive of Brian. Brian would tell you exactly what Mike contributed and there wouldn't be any argument, but people would still try and poke holes. Brian's said before that it's unfortunate that people only praise the lead guy, main guy, writer in bands. It puts an unnecessary amount of pressure and expectation on Brian to constantly be belittling Mike. And it's not difficult to defend Mike at all. He contributed a vast amount to the Beach Boys: only a minute portion of which might be up for debate. I personally suspect it's much more difficult or taxing on one's soul to constantly feel the need to denigrate the guy.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Zach95 on January 10, 2012, 03:28:39 PM
THE BEACH BOYS ARE TOURING FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 1492!

HUZZAH!

 >:D

Wow. This is really a big deal then.  Where can I find tickets?

In all seriousness, I don't think people debate what good things Mike's contributed, but the horrendous things he's contributed is why he gets all the hate.  I'm just saying this for argument's sake...personally I feel lately Mike has been acting real well with this whole thing...


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 03:39:42 PM
I don't happen to consider anything the Beach Boys have ever done as horrendous. However, having a good idea as to what people do consider horrendous, I'd say each Beach Boy (aside from Dennis) has contributed their fair share.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: hypehat on January 10, 2012, 04:29:15 PM
I'll bet if Mike felt he was Brian's creative equal, he'd have no problem stating it openly and emphatically.

That's true. He had no problem taking credit for the band's success.

More recently Mike has calmed down on this front. But "Mr. Positivity" springs to mind, yes.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 05:05:01 PM
I'll bet if Mike felt he was Brian's creative equal, he'd have no problem stating it openly and emphatically.

That's true. He had no problem taking credit for the band's success.

More recently Mike has calmed down on this front. But "Mr. Positivity" springs to mind, yes.

I don't get all the hatred for Mike's "Mr. Positivity" paraphrase either. All he did was say that some fans really vibe with the positive/fun aspect of the Beach Boys and that it was him who brought that. I'd consider such a claim as being close to a fact. He's not taking credit for all of their success. He's just saying that he was more upbeat as opposed to Brian, which certainly rigs true. Why not just let it go? Is Mike supposed to not have any opinions regarding the band he co-founded and has fronted for 50 years?


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: oldsurferdude on January 10, 2012, 07:15:54 PM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.

Exactly.  First of all, Mike works his ass off, has for 50 years now... and Bruce is there the whole time, even though he's becoming an old man, and is a multimillionaire before he even made any money in music?  The guy obviously does it because he enjoys it and is doing it for the fans.

That's something people forget too, Mike and Bruce are doing a service to their fans!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT? They're doing it as a service to their fans??? Are you still in junior high shool? I guarantee that there is one and only one reason they do what they do and that is bucks, dinero, shillings, dolares, currency, doublets, coinage, excess of returns over outlay, whatever you want to call it today. But it ain't no hobby. It's a tradeoff if anything-I'll sing for my supper-no more, no less. Nobody made Myke and Bruth do what they're doing and they're well paid for singing for a couple of hours.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 07:28:53 PM
Oh, come on OSD! I almost refuse to believe this is true!

Do you really think guys with more money than a ship full of drunken sailors could spend in a port town several lifetimes over wish to whittle their years away on planes, hotel rooms, buses, airports, hotel rooms, buses, planes, hotel rooms, just because they are greedy and want more money? I'm sure the prospect of making $$$$ off their efforts plays into it (of course) but $$$ being the only reason: it just doesn't jive!

I want money and lots of it!!!! So, why don't I work two or three jobs? I don't  because my life would be unbearable, therefore the extra money I could make would simply not be worth it! I would absolutely hate my life!! Same goes with most of us. These guys just have to love it on some very important and crucial level. Plus, all the adoration from the fans can't hurt a canned ham's ego either  ;D


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 10, 2012, 07:37:03 PM
OSD, just try to enjoy the last ride of whats left of America's band for better or worse. Brian can keep Mike's claims in check, because Brian can tell the truth  about songwriting credits/collaborators if needed during the shows.  You can see them this summer and remember you saw them in their prime with Dennis and Carl rocking out in Carnegie Hall. :)


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Jim V. on January 10, 2012, 07:39:56 PM
My thing is I haven't really seen the other members pushing their accomplishments quite as much. You never saw Carl bragging like "hey, I sang 'God Only Knows' and 'Good Vibrations', and co-wrote 'Dance, Dance, Dance' and 'Good Timin''." Or Dennis bragging that he had a solo album that was critically loved. Even Al doesn't brag about bringing "Sloop John B" to Brian's attention or for singing "Help Me Rhonda".  Even Brian doesn't go around saying, "hey I wrote Pet Sounds and SMiLE, and by the way, did you know I wrote "California Girls"?"

The only member that constantly pushes their accomplishments is Mike. He has a lot to be proud of, but let the work speak for itself. He has a lot of great lyrics and a lot of great singing during his career and hopefully more to come. But taking credit for things like naming Pet Sounds? Who cares that he did that? It's a cool title, but it's nothing to brag about.

And I think in retrospect, Bruce saying how SMiLE should've been released on EMI's classical label is just a fancy way of saying "it wasn't right for The Beach Boys." I think he buys into the theory that The Beach Boys are, first and foremost, a fun, sun, surf, and girls band. And that all that goofy stuff from 1968 til 1977(ish) is unimportant overly artistic crap, except for "Disney Girls" of course. But even t hat is not as good as "I Write the Songs", cuz "I Write the Songs" sold more copies, which must mean its better.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: oldsurferdude on January 10, 2012, 07:45:39 PM
Oh, come on OSD! I almost refuse to believe this is true!

Do you really think guys with more money than a ship full of drunken sailors could spend in a port town several lifetimes over wish to whittle their years away on planes, hotel rooms, buses, airports, hotel rooms, buses, planes, hotel rooms, just because they are greedy and want more money? I'm sure the prospect of making $$$$ off their efforts plays into it (of course) but $$$ being the only reason: it just doesn't jive!

I want money and lots of it!!!! So, why don't I work two or three jobs? I don't  because my life would be unbearable, therefore the extra money I could make would simply not be worth it! I would absolutely hate my life!! Same goes with most of us. These guys just have to love it on some very important and crucial level. Plus, all the adoration from the fans can't hurt a canned ham's ego either  ;D
LMFAO-well, maybe not, but Myke just seems so porcine in his quest for gold and recognition-It's a real turnoff, man.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 07:49:31 PM
My thing is I haven't really seen the other members pushing their accomplishments quite as much. You never saw Carl bragging like "hey, I sang 'God Only Knows' and 'Good Vibrations', and co-wrote 'Dance, Dance, Dance' and 'Good Timin''." Or Dennis bragging that he had a solo album that was critically loved. Even Al doesn't brag about bringing "Sloop John B" to Brian's attention or for singing "Help Me Rhonda".  Even Brian doesn't go around saying, "hey I wrote Pet Sounds and SMiLE, and by the way, did you know I wrote "California Girls"?"

The only member that constantly pushes their accomplishments is Mike. He has a lot to be proud of, but let the work speak for itself. He has a lot of great lyrics and a lot of great singing during his career and hopefully more to come. But taking credit for things like naming Pet Sounds? Who cares that he did that? It's a cool title, but it's nothing to brag about.

And I think in retrospect, Bruce saying how SMiLE should've been released on EMI's classical label is just a fancy way of saying "it wasn't right for The Beach Boys." I think he buys into the theory that The Beach Boys are, first and foremost, a fun, sun, surf, and girls band. And that all that goofy stuff from 1968 til 1977(ish) is unimportant overly artistic crap, except for "Disney Girls" of course. But even t hat is not as good as "I Write the Songs", cuz "I Write the Songs" sold more copies, which must mean its better.


That's an easy one: Mike's be villainized and the others haven't been. Yeah, he's brought some of it upon himself, but it's a self perpetuating cycle which is not simply his own fault.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: oldsurferdude on January 10, 2012, 07:51:42 PM
OSD, just try to enjoy the last ride of whats left of America's band for better or worse. Brian can keep Mike's claims in check, because Brian can tell the truth  about songwriting credits/collaborators if needed during the shows.  You can see them this summer and remember you saw them in their prime with Dennis and Carl rocking out in Carnegie Hall. :)
True dat-but if I see Myke get up there and spout about writing credits, the boos you hear will be from yours truly. ;)


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 07:54:28 PM
I don't get all the hatred for Mike's "Mr. Positivity" paraphrase either. All he did was say that some fans really vibe with the positive/fun aspect of the Beach Boys and that it was him who brought that. I'd consider such a claim as being close to a fact. He's not taking credit for all of their success. He's just saying that he was more upbeat as opposed to Brian, which certainly rigs true. Why not just let it go? Is Mike supposed to not have any opinions regarding the band he co-founded and has fronted for 50 years?

In fact, he absolutely did not say "that some fans really vibe with the positive/fun aspect of the Beach Boys." What he did do is precisely what you're denying which is take credit for all their success, which is uncontroversially what he does. It doesn't generate hatred for me - I think it's completely pathetic, entirely unwarrented, but nevertheless unsurprising from a man who has repeatedly embarrassed the group in public forums with an ego the size of Eurasia.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 08:00:41 PM
OK,  what is the exact quote where Mike takes all the credit for all of their success?


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 08:05:35 PM
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Ultimately I think The Beach Boys meant so much to so many people because of the positivity, and that was me.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 08:08:41 PM
And how is that him taking credit for all of their success?

He expressed an opinion that he is allowed to have. You don't have to agree or like his opinion, but the guy has every right to have one.

And if you think about it: us Smile/67-73 fans are most likely in the minority of people who claim to love the Beach Boys. If there is a fan out there who only loves the big fun hits, (I know plenty people who fit the bill) Mike's opinion speaks to them and those fans also have the right to prefer whatever they prefer. It's a tough reality maybe.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
And how is that him taking credit for all of their success?

Don't tell me that you are so eager to leap to Love's defense that you are being purposefully obtuse. He says exactly that he was the reason The Beach Boys meant so much to so many people. Are you going to pretend that meaning so much to so many people isn't the same thing as being successful. Tell me now, so that I can now untangle myself from a conversation with a person who is purposefully being intellectually dishonest in order to score a petty point on behalf of an egomaniac celebrity that he doesn't even know.

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He expressed an opinion that he is allowed to have. You don't have to agree or like his opinion, but the guy has every right to have one.

And herein is the classic internet response wherein a critique becomes akin to a civil rights violation because no real valid response can actually be given. I mean, I can also respond that I have every right to an opinion, by holding the opinion that his opinion is pathetic and an embarrassment, and then we can go back and forth in this meaningless, trivial fashion.

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And if you think about it: us Smile/67-73 fans are most likely in the minority of people who claim to love the Beach Boys. If there is a fan out there who only loves the big fun hits, (I know plenty people who fit the bill) Mike's opinion speaks to them and those fans also have to right to prefer whatever they prefer. It's a tough reality maybe.

Again, more meaningless rhetoric based on something you are pretending that I'm saying but I really didn't. I love the big fun hits too. Unfortunately that doesn't mean that Mike Love isn't an egomaniacal gasbag who unconvincingly and pathetically tried to take credit for The Beach Boys success.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 08:21:25 PM
Please don't get so personal with this! This is not some new argument and I'm not trying to be obtuse! Are you trying to tell me that you get to decide that Mike has no right to claim any credit for anything and that if he does, it means he's a gasbag? C'mon!

I take Mike's quote and then balance it against all the compliments he's lavished upon Brian and then balance it upon the recorded evidence which highly suggests Mike's positivity mixed with Brian's more sensitive and vulnerable emotionality created something very very special. Then I balance it against so many years of the Brian and the 5 merdaholes line and then I can understand Mike a bit better and I can even manage something not unlike sympathy for the guy.

You're just jumping all over Mike's quote as evidence to support your hatred for the man who's band you claim to be a fan of. Having said that, I respect your right to disagree and I've also stated that yes, Mike brings a lot of Myke hated upon himself, but it helps to look for the shades of gray in any situation. And hey, I started my Beach Boys fandom as a hard-core Mike hater!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 08:32:38 PM
Are you trying to tell me that you get to decide that Mike has no right to claim any credit for anything and that if he does, it means he's a gasbag? C'mon!

No I'm not saying that but the "C'mon!" suggests that you don't care whether I say it or not, you're simply satisfied with the strawman argument that diverts attention away from the quote itself, which has nothing to do with whether Mike should "claim any credit for anything" and rather is an example of him claiming credit for everything, which again is uncontroversially what he says. That alone doesn't make him a gasbag, but it certainly doesn't help.

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I take Mike's quote and then balance it against all the compliments he's lavished upon Brian and then balance it upon the recorded evidence which highly suggests Mike's positivity mixed with Brian's more sensitive and vulnerable emotionality created something very very special.

Well, in fact, I was nice enough not to provide the rest of the quotation. He notes that the Beach Boys meant so much because of the positivity which was his domain and goes on to say that "Brian was melancholy." So, in other words, because the Beach Boys success came down to their positivity and because Brian was melancholy, ultimately Mike suggests here that The Beach Boys were successful in spite of Brian. Granted, even this absurdity is unusual for Mike, but he says it nevertheless.

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You're just jumping all over Mike's quote as evidence to support your hatred for the man who's band you claim to be a fan of.

I've already said in this thread alone that I don't hate him. It's somewhat shameful that you have to keep attributing claims and beliefs to me that aren't true in order to continue your justification of this ridiculous quote. Since you can't legitimately justify something so stupid, you have chosen to make up points about me - first by inventing the position that "Mike has no right to claim any credit for anything" and now by saying that I hate him, followed up by an insinuation that I am not really a fan of the band, I just claim to be. This is all rhetorical trickery of course.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 08:40:00 PM
Well, first off: this isn't a courtroom, it's a message board for the Beach Boys, therefore it always shocks me how some people can't get so enraged when someone on a Beach Boys message board......... defends one of the Beach Boys.

I've tried to make this point before: it is a perhaps unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless, that some fans actually like Mike. They like his voice, his lyrics, his vibe, his insanity and find him highly entertaining and ridiculous but with the goods to back it all up. It shouldn't be taken for granted that everyone merely tolerates Mike because they love Brian so much and Brian had the misfortune of being related to Mike. Now, let me make this clear: I'm not inferring that you personally said any of this stuff. I'm just ranting away on my own. Now, being a fan of Mike: I will be more likely to defend him when he seems to be maliciously attacked. All I did really was simply suggest that there are other ways of looking at his quotes and behavior besides just going toward the negative..... This is just my opinion.

Tear this message up as you will.

Besides, to attempt to invalidate one's opinion as rhetorical trickery is in and of itself ....... rhetorical trickery of a high order.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 08:44:37 PM
Well, first off: this isn't a courtroom, it's a message board for the Beach Boys, therefore it always shocks me how some people can't get so enraged when someone on a Beach Boys message board......... defends one of the Beach Boys.

I've tried to make this point before: it is a perhaps unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless, that some fans actually like Mike. They like his voice, his lyrics, his vibe, his insanity and find him highly entertaining and ridiculous but with the goods to back it all up. It shouldn't be taken for granted that everyone merely tolerates Mike because they love Brian so much and Brian had the misfortune of being related to Mike. Now, let me make this clear: I'm not inferring that you personally said any of this stuff. I'm just ranting away on my own. Now, being a fan of Mike: I will be more likely to defend him when he seems to be maliciously attacked. All I did really was simply suggest that there are other ways of looking at his quotes and behavior besides just going toward the negative..... This is just my opinion.

Tear this message up as you will.

OK - well let me just say that I also like his voice and his lyrics. I believe both were instrumental in ultimately constructing the California Myth which is partly what makes The Beach Boys such an important band (something that often gets unacknowledged by those who are fans strictly of the Pet Sounds and beyond period). While I don't think there are other ways of reading the quotation and while I do think there are reasons that he made such statements when he did, which I won't get into, I do find a lot of great things about Love's work and have certainly never been shy to mention them or even defend them.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 08:49:24 PM
And I must admit, I find plenty of Mike's quotes and attitude on the unfortunate side, and maybe I'm reading too much into such things in order to let him off the hook, but my basic opinion of the Beach Boys initial success is that Mike's vibe was beyond crucial to them getting off the ground and being successful. Of course, the story changes later, but when I hear Mike say Brian was melancholy and he was positive: he's right, and to me, this is the very hook which made The Beach Boys what they were, or the main spark, if you will.

This is just my opinion, but it probably helps to know where I'm coming from. There are so many different facets to The Beach Boys to love and it is very easy for these facets to feel highly personal and coveted.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Chocolate Shake Man on January 10, 2012, 09:01:32 PM
when I hear Mike say Brian was melancholy and he was positive: he's right, and to me, this is the very hook which made The Beach Boys what they were, or the main spark, if you will.

But see that's an opinion that I respect. I think depending on one's definition of success, it could be debatable but I respect it nevertheless. So, one could say (for example) that Pet Sounds and Smile are the pinnacle of the Beach Boys artistic success not because they were commercially popular but because of what they achieved musically. Now if Mike had said what you said in that quotation, I wouldn't find any fault with it at all. But he didn't - he said something wholly different and something very problematic and like I said, not very surprising because there are just so many things he doesn't get. Take one of the issues brought up in this thread - namely his corniness at concerts. I don't think the issue comes down to "We think he's corny but Mike thinks he's funny." Rather, and I feel this distinction is important, "Mike knows he's corny but he thinks that his corniness is funny." And to go one further, he thinks his arrogance is witty. Some people can make arrogance witty. Humorist Jack Handey has mastered it, for example. But Mike hasn't - and so when he says something along the lines of "The only thing we're bringing back from England is wet socks" to his English audience, it's awkward because the joke doesn't work because it isn't and all that's left is the arrogance. And more over, arrogance is typically most amusing if the audience understands that it's false. But Mike's statements elsewhere, including the one I've given, suggests that it's his go-to style of humour because it's just a central part of his own character. To me, a mature and reasonable person takes stock in himself and adapts for situations. An immature, irrational, egomaniac, believes that there is nothing to fix ever. So when this argument that "Mike just doesn't care. He just says what he says" business comes up in his defense, I can't do anything but roll my eyes that this is the best that can be said.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 10, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Ha! I would never in a million years try and defend Mike's stage banter (and I have a soft spot in my heart for OSD who was traumatized by it in the Beach Boys prime). All I will do is point to the fact that Mr. Love is indeed related to the Wilson's by blood and is completely batsh*% insane in his own right.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.

Exactly.  First of all, Mike works his ass off, has for 50 years now... and Bruce is there the whole time, even though he's becoming an old man, and is a multimillionaire before he even made any money in music?  The guy obviously does it because he enjoys it and is doing it for the fans.

That's something people forget too, Mike and Bruce are doing a service to their fans!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT? They're doing it as a service to their fans??? Are you still in junior high shool? I guarantee that there is one and only one reason they do what they do and that is bucks, dinero, shillings, dolares, currency, doublets, coinage, excess of returns over outlay, whatever you want to call it today. But it ain't no hobby. It's a tradeoff if anything-I'll sing for my supper-no more, no less. Nobody made Myke and Bruth do what they're doing and they're well paid for singing for a couple of hours.

Old Man, don't reply to my posts anymore.  You're bitter, and Mike must have f***ed your wife for all the hatred you have for him. 

it's really cute how you misspell their names on purpose too, do you think that makes you look clever?  I think it makes you look like a clown. 


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Ron on January 10, 2012, 10:13:00 PM
OSD, just try to enjoy the last ride of whats left of America's band for better or worse. Brian can keep Mike's claims in check, because Brian can tell the truth  about songwriting credits/collaborators if needed during the shows.  You can see them this summer and remember you saw them in their prime with Dennis and Carl rocking out in Carnegie Hall. :)
True dat-but if I see Myke get up there and spout about writing credits, the boos you hear will be from yours truly. ;)

Yeah, leave it to the asshole in the room to f*** up a good time.  What kind of dick goes to a concert and boos? 


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Quincy on January 11, 2012, 07:00:39 AM
Well, first off: this isn't a courtroom, it's a message board for the Beach Boys, therefore it always shocks me how some people can't get so enraged when someone on a Beach Boys message board......... defends one of the Beach Boys.

I've tried to make this point before: it is a perhaps unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless, that some fans actually like Mike. They like his voice, his lyrics, his vibe, his insanity and find him highly entertaining and ridiculous but with the goods to back it all up. It shouldn't be taken for granted that everyone merely tolerates Mike because they love Brian so much and Brian had the misfortune of being related to Mike. Now, let me make this clear: I'm not inferring that you personally said any of this stuff. I'm just ranting away on my own. Now, being a fan of Mike: I will be more likely to defend him when he seems to be maliciously attacked. All I did really was simply suggest that there are other ways of looking at his quotes and behavior besides just going toward the negative..... This is just my opinion.

Tear this message up as you will.

Besides, to attempt to invalidate one's opinion as rhetorical trickery is in and of itself ....... rhetorical trickery of a high order.
  sounds like the sheriff's back


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: RONDEMON on January 11, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
My guess to why Mike brings up his own accomplishments is that in the majority of Beach Boys-related articles since "Pet Sounds," Brian has gotten all of the credit for being a genius"or creating EVERYTHING on his own and that the other Beach Boys are just some puppets that go on the road FOR him.

That's partially true but it's definitely not that straightforward...

f you were Mike Love, co-writing lyrics to the BB's biggest hits, touring for what, 40-something years (!!!) and not getting any credit for your biggest accomplishments while your co-writer (and I say that generously w/percentages withstanding) is getting ALL of the critical praise and admiration, I think we'd all be a little more sympathetic to why Mike always brings up that he co-wrote those songs - especially lyrically.

It makes perfect sense. Give credit where credit is due. People have perpetuated the myth since the mid-60s that Brian IS the Beach Boys, which is only a half-truth - not to downplay ANYONE'S involvement.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Autotune on January 11, 2012, 08:10:54 AM
I find it amusing how some people seem to be so offended at Mike Love for claiming credit.

I don't know... we're on the verge of a great historical event for us, and instead of cherishing the fact that these guys are doing it, devote or time to proving the truth behind the "we're his fucckking messengers" quote. 


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: oldsurferdude on January 11, 2012, 08:13:57 AM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.

Exactly.  First of all, Mike works his ass off, has for 50 years now... and Bruce is there the whole time, even though he's becoming an old man, and is a multimillionaire before he even made any money in music?  The guy obviously does it because he enjoys it and is doing it for the fans.

That's something people forget too, Mike and Bruce are doing a service to their fans!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT? They're doing it as a service to their fans??? Are you still in junior high shool? I guarantee that there is one and only one reason they do what they do and that is bucks, dinero, shillings, dolares, currency, doublets, coinage, excess of returns over outlay, whatever you want to call it today. But it ain't no hobby. It's a tradeoff if anything-I'll sing for my supper-no more, no less. Nobody made Myke and Bruth do what they're doing and they're well paid for singing for a couple of hours.

Old Man, don't reply to my posts anymore.  You're bitter, and Mike must have f*cked your wife for all the hatred you have for him. 

it's really cute how you misspell their names on purpose too, do you think that makes you look clever?  I think it makes you look like a clown. 
Hey punk, I'll reply to any post I feel like-especially yours f*ckwit. I think it's so freakin' cool that it bothers you so damn much. Look for more coming your way soon. Better get your kneepads all ready cause Myke's coming to town. And by the way, my wife died of cancer 4 years ago, so let's leave her outta this a-hole.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: drbeachboy on January 11, 2012, 09:24:37 AM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.

Exactly.  First of all, Mike works his ass off, has for 50 years now... and Bruce is there the whole time, even though he's becoming an old man, and is a multimillionaire before he even made any money in music?  The guy obviously does it because he enjoys it and is doing it for the fans.

That's something people forget too, Mike and Bruce are doing a service to their fans!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT? They're doing it as a service to their fans??? Are you still in junior high shool? I guarantee that there is one and only one reason they do what they do and that is bucks, dinero, shillings, dolares, currency, doublets, coinage, excess of returns over outlay, whatever you want to call it today. But it ain't no hobby. It's a tradeoff if anything-I'll sing for my supper-no more, no less. Nobody made Myke and Bruth do what they're doing and they're well paid for singing for a couple of hours.

Old Man, don't reply to my posts anymore.  You're bitter, and Mike must have f*cked your wife for all the hatred you have for him. 

it's really cute how you misspell their names on purpose too, do you think that makes you look clever?  I think it makes you look like a clown. 
Hey punk, I'll reply to any post I feel like-especially yours f*ckwit. I think it's so freakin' cool that it bothers you so damn much. Look for more coming your way soon. Better get your kneepads all ready cause Myke's coming to town. And by the way, my wife died of cancer 4 years ago, so let's leave her outta this a-hole.
You bring it on yourself. When you do not specifically post about Mike, you are a terrific poster, bringing very interesting insights, especially about the concerts you attended. Sorry to hear about your wife. The big "C" takes way too many people, way before their time.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 11, 2012, 12:55:09 PM
Well, first off: this isn't a courtroom, it's a message board for the Beach Boys, therefore it always shocks me how some people can't get so enraged when someone on a Beach Boys message board......... defends one of the Beach Boys.

I've tried to make this point before: it is a perhaps unfortunate fact, but a fact nonetheless, that some fans actually like Mike. They like his voice, his lyrics, his vibe, his insanity and find him highly entertaining and ridiculous but with the goods to back it all up. It shouldn't be taken for granted that everyone merely tolerates Mike because they love Brian so much and Brian had the misfortune of being related to Mike. Now, let me make this clear: I'm not inferring that you personally said any of this stuff. I'm just ranting away on my own. Now, being a fan of Mike: I will be more likely to defend him when he seems to be maliciously attacked. All I did really was simply suggest that there are other ways of looking at his quotes and behavior besides just going toward the negative..... This is just my opinion.

Tear this message up as you will.

Besides, to attempt to invalidate one's opinion as rhetorical trickery is in and of itself ....... rhetorical trickery of a high order.
  sounds like the sheriff's back

I take this as a compliment  ;D


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 11, 2012, 12:58:13 PM
My guess to why Mike brings up his own accomplishments is that in the majority of Beach Boys-related articles since "Pet Sounds," Brian has gotten all of the credit for being a genius"or creating EVERYTHING on his own and that the other Beach Boys are just some puppets that go on the road FOR him.

That's partially true but it's definitely not that straightforward...

f you were Mike Love, co-writing lyrics to the BB's biggest hits, touring for what, 40-something years (!!!) and not getting any credit for your biggest accomplishments while your co-writer (and I say that generously w/percentages withstanding) is getting ALL of the critical praise and admiration, I think we'd all be a little more sympathetic to why Mike always brings up that he co-wrote those songs - especially lyrically.

It makes perfect sense. Give credit where credit is due. People have perpetuated the myth since the mid-60s that Brian IS the Beach Boys, which is only a half-truth - not to downplay ANYONE'S involvement.

Great post!

It's amazing how often this point is put in plain and simple English which should appeal to anyone's basic human consideration and yet people do nothing but insult Mike and slam him for any mere mention of his accomplishments (yes, let's call them that) .... Mike is not perfect. He's just one more insane person in a band full of them. It pays to remember this.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 11, 2012, 01:00:26 PM
Hmmmmm. Maybe he actually enjoys being a Beach Boys and being able to perform (in whatever capacity) such great music/lyrics. Maybe he actually likes Mike's lyrics. Bruce doesn't need the money.

Exactly.  First of all, Mike works his ass off, has for 50 years now... and Bruce is there the whole time, even though he's becoming an old man, and is a multimillionaire before he even made any money in music?  The guy obviously does it because he enjoys it and is doing it for the fans.

That's something people forget too, Mike and Bruce are doing a service to their fans!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT? They're doing it as a service to their fans??? Are you still in junior high shool? I guarantee that there is one and only one reason they do what they do and that is bucks, dinero, shillings, dolares, currency, doublets, coinage, excess of returns over outlay, whatever you want to call it today. But it ain't no hobby. It's a tradeoff if anything-I'll sing for my supper-no more, no less. Nobody made Myke and Bruth do what they're doing and they're well paid for singing for a couple of hours.

Old Man, don't reply to my posts anymore.  You're bitter, and Mike must have f*cked your wife for all the hatred you have for him. 

it's really cute how you misspell their names on purpose too, do you think that makes you look clever?  I think it makes you look like a clown. 
Hey punk, I'll reply to any post I feel like-especially yours f*ckwit. I think it's so freakin' cool that it bothers you so damn much. Look for more coming your way soon. Better get your kneepads all ready cause Myke's coming to town. And by the way, my wife died of cancer 4 years ago, so let's leave her outta this a-hole.
You bring it on yourself. When you do not specifically post about Mike, you are a terrific poster, bringing very interesting insights, especially about the concerts you attended. Sorry to hear about your wife. The big "C" takes way too many people, way before their time.


"Better get your kneepads all ready cause Myke's coming to town."

Pure genius!!!!!!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pretty Funky on January 11, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
Harmony will reign on the Beach Boys tour.

Message boards not so much! ;D


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: hypehat on January 11, 2012, 05:16:19 PM
Harmony will reign on the Beach Boys tour.

Message boards not so much! ;D

^^^^  :lol


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Mikie on January 11, 2012, 05:36:33 PM
You're bitter, and Mike must have f*cked your wife for all the hatred you have for him.

I was enjoying the hell out of this thread until I read that. Even I wouldn'ta stooped that low. You talk about hatred........who's really hating who here?

Damn, Ron.  Take a step back and re-assess the situation, eh?  It ain't that bad.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 11, 2012, 05:36:45 PM
OSD, just try to enjoy the last ride of whats left of America's band for better or worse. Brian can keep Mike's claims in check, because Brian can tell the truth  about songwriting credits/collaborators if needed during the shows.  You can see them this summer and remember you saw them in their prime with Dennis and Carl rocking out in Carnegie Hall. :)
True dat-but if I see Myke get up there and spout about writing credits, the boos you hear will be from yours truly. ;)
If somebody needs to boo Mike or keep his ego in check, might as well be you. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 11, 2012, 05:38:48 PM
OSD's Myke bashing doesn't bother me in the least. He has a sense of humor about it and he doesn't come off as overly sanctimonious in his Myke hatred, which is refreshing. Also: for all the time he's put in as a Beach Boys fan, and considering how many times he saw them live in their prime: his Myke dislike is most likely completely genuine and hard earned.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: SMiLE Brian on January 11, 2012, 05:42:28 PM
OSD's Myke bashing doesn't bother me in the least. He has a sense of humor about it and he doesn't come off as overly sanctimonious in his Myke hatred, which is refreshing. Also: for all the time he's put in as a Beach Boys fan, and considering how many times he saw them live in their prime: his Myke dislike is most likely completely genuine and hard earned.
Thats what I realised when I listened to concert tapes from the 1960s/1970s where Mike would act super annoying with endless talking and messing up songs.


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: bossaroo on January 11, 2012, 08:04:58 PM
The quote about Mike being positive and Brian being melancholy is so ridiculous to begin with... so black and white. And plain untrue.

BRIAN came up with Good Vibrations. BRIAN had the idea to do a humor album called SMiLE. BRIAN is the one who tried to communicate "spiritual love" with music and create "symphonies to God". The list goes on and on. Regardless of the "positive" lyrics Mike wrote, it's THE MUSIC THAT BRIAN CREATED that means so much to so many people.

And we all know that Mike has done and said plenty of things over the past 50 years that could never be described as "positive"... more than any other Beach Boy that's for sure.


it's funny... i was recently showing a friend the Endless Harmony dvd. She knows nothing about the Beach Boys, doesn't even know their names... but when it got to Mike's "positivity/melancholy" quote she was like, "Jeez, what's that guy's problem? He has some serious issues."


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 11, 2012, 08:24:32 PM
The quote about Mike being positive and Brian being melancholy is so ridiculous to begin with... so black and white. And plain untrue.

BRIAN came up with Good Vibrations. BRIAN had the idea to do a humor album called SMiLE. BRIAN is the one who tried to communicate "spiritual love" with music and create "symphonies to God". The list goes on and on. Regardless of the "positive" lyrics Mike wrote, it's THE MUSIC THAT BRIAN CREATED that means so much to so many people.

And we all know that Mike has done and said plenty of things over the past 50 years that could never be described as "positive"... more than any other Beach Boy that's for sure.


it's funny... i was recently showing a friend the Endless Harmony dvd. She knows nothing about the Beach Boys, doesn't even know their names... but when it got to Mike's "positivity/melancholy" quote she was like, "Jeez, what's that guy's problem? He has some serious issues."

I still don't get how this guy's (Mike's) comment can inspire so much hatred, anger, and back slapping decelerations of it's outright untruth! Just let it go! Mike grew up with Brian! He knows Brian! He's not just talking out his ass! And he wrote lots of songs with Brian. And it is not just Brian's music that means so much to so many people. It's the music, the lyrics, it's the voices, the interplay between all the musicians, and all the varying personalities involved that we love. Sure, you can sit there and say it's just Brian's music that we love. But unless you only listen to "Stack-Of-Tracks" maybe and nothing else, you're getting Brian's music with A LOT of contributions from others.

I've never heard Mike say anything to the effect of "Brian did nothing! It was all me! I'm the reason why the Beach Boys have achieved success." "Me and only me, and Brian doesn't deserve any credit"

Come to think of it, Roger Waters has certainly made claims to that effect: constantly belittling the others contributions (he's lightened up in recent years) and no one seems to be bothered. Mike has every right to point out his contributions however/whenever he wants, especially if some interviewer is sitting there with a camera in his face asking him about it. Just let it go! It's not like no one recognizes Brian's greatness or ignores his massive contribution to popular music. What's the big deal?


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Post by: bossaroo on January 11, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
he just comes off like an ass mostly. no one is asking him what he contributed but he's there offering it up and painting in very broad strokes.

he's Mike freakin Love. love him. hate him. love to hate him. it doesn't keep me up at night. anymore.  ;)


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Post by: Pinder's Gone To Kokomo And Back Again on January 11, 2012, 09:19:02 PM
Well, maybe he's proud of his contributions!


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Post by: I. Spaceman on January 11, 2012, 09:53:46 PM
Disliking Mike Love is so 1991.


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Post by: b00ts on January 12, 2012, 12:44:40 AM
The first two pages of this thread were good and then it took a nosedive. Not that there weren't any more good posts - in fact, there were some very insightful ones - but the sniping and personal attacks really make it a chore to read.

I have noticed oldsurferdude's Myk - and now Bruth!! - misspellings in the past and called him out on it. He responded in a witty, characteristically deliberately obtuse manner which I enjoyed, and we moved on. There's no reason to escalate on a message board on the Internet - it is a waste of precious seconds/minutes of your life.

I am guilty of this once or twice myself. It makes everybody who reads the thread in the future 1) think you're a dick and 2) waste their time reading your ad hominem attacks when they want to read about the Beach Boys and relax.

And now I've wasted my time and yours posting about it.


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Post by: Micha on January 12, 2012, 01:04:06 AM
Everybody is free to hate Mike Love, as long as he or she doesn't perform any harmful action against him.

Just so Mike's inferioritycomplexish behavior doesn't bother me, so I don't hate him.


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Post by: b00ts on January 12, 2012, 01:14:57 AM
Anyway, my view of Mike Love has evolved over the years.  I met Mike briefly in the 1990s and he behaved exactly like one would likely expect him to, both his supporters and detractors. Some would find his behavior offputting. Mike may be "Mr. Positivty," but he has a somewhat dark sense of humor. Oftentimes, it crosses the line into self parody.

I believe Mike is a complex human being with many contradictions, like most of us, and that he has changed over the years, again as most people do. He is still Mike Love though, and though he takes pain nowadays to be diplomatic, he still manges to piss people off in a singular way.

Much of this is his own fault and much is an act of history. Had Mike died and Denmis survived, he may not be revered like Dennis has become on he basis of Looking Back With Love, but attitudes would surely be different. I love Dennis and Brian, but they get a lot of leeway from the fans for a lot of bullsh*t. Why not extend that same courtesy, at this late date, to Mike?

I can understand not liking Mike Love (though I have come around to him quite a bit), but there is a lot to respect him for, like staying clean throughout the 60s and 70s (and always), working his ass off in studio and live, being one of Brian's main writing partners on many classic songs, and being a fuking Beach Boy for 50 years.

I know, some will cry. "Studio work? You mean Summer in Paradise? There's plenty to disrespect Mike Love for!"

Mike feels he has to defend his legacy because of all the aforementioned issues. I think he handles it well, all things considered, though I agree that it makes him seem like he is desperate for credit. I just believe that there is a lot to appreciate him for when you get past the BS, as Brian and Al apparently have. What better time than now, on the eve of this 50th anniversary celebration?

Celebration? Oh my God, he is trying to covertly turm the Beach Boys into Celebration, and then they will be his to control. Brian, look out!


Title: Re: Will harmony reign on Beach Boys tour? USA Today
Post by: CarlTheVoice on January 12, 2012, 04:53:08 AM
I think they have all probably mellowed out a bit now and realise that this might be the last chance to really celebrate their whole lives. The fans still want them to release material and tour so if the demand is there it would make sense to do it one more time. The Boys had different views on their direction during their big days but I guess that's gone now so the tensions aren't as high. I may be wrong of course!


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Post by: Micha on January 12, 2012, 08:18:56 AM
Actually I like the way Mike sings here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_zWdaBW0Zc&feature=related

Well, better not listen to what he sings, just how he sings. I hope they don't do TM songs on their new album... :o


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Post by: Mr. Wilson on January 14, 2012, 03:09:34 AM
Sweet Jesus..Im totally surprised Mike Love can walk on any stage in the WORLD and NOT get hit with fruit + vegetables like i saw  The Raspberries get hit with..The dude must be secure  + have a big ego to walk on any stage and NOT expect this..I have HUGE issues with ML.BUT.!!The dude is not melancholy.  He is a big part of BB.Fights always break out when ML posts come up..!The ONLY problem i have with ML is.! He allways wants to turn BB into an OLDIES band since late 80"s..He got his wish after Carl died..BUT.Anybody that saw BB in 60-70-80"s.When they were a CONTEMPORARY band of the era. Would know ML was NOT the whole band..If anything CARL was the DEFINING member...While i understand the issues YOU all have..Truth be told. The issues You have with ML. Are issues you have with him since CW died.! Im Serious.!.Things would be different if CW was still ALIVE..2 Things .ALAN would still be part of the band.AND BW wouldnt have a serious solo career + tour...Think about it.BW has made numerous LP'S + toured ..If you take half of BW solo lp"s + PUT A BB MONICKER ON THEM BB WOULD still BE A CONTEMPORARY BAND...JESUS.Enjoy what we gonna get this year..!! Stop fighting about somebody that doesnt care what you think,.!!!!!!!


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Post by: drbeachboy on January 14, 2012, 08:06:33 AM
Sweet Jesus..Im totally surprised Mike Love can walk on any stage in the WORLD and NOT get hit with fruit + vegetables like i saw  The Raspberries get hit with..The dude must be secure  + have a big ego to walk on any stage and NOT expect this..I have HUGE issues with ML.BUT.!!The dude is not melancholy.  He is a big part of BB.Fights always break out when ML posts come up..!The ONLY problem i have with ML is.! He allways wants to turn BB into an OLDIES band since late 80"s..He got his wish after Carl died..BUT.Anybody that saw BB in 60-70-80"s.When they were a CONTEMPORARY band of the era. Would know ML was NOT the whole band..If anything CARL was the DEFINING member...While i understand the issues YOU all have..Truth be told. The issues You have with ML. Are issues you have with him since CW died.! Im Serious.!.Things would be different if CW was still ALIVE..2 Things .ALAN would still be part of the band.AND BW wouldnt have a serious solo career + tour...Think about it.BW has made numerous LP'S + toured ..If you take half of BW solo lp"s + PUT A BB MONICKER ON THEM BB WOULD still BE A CONTEMPORARY BAND...JESUS.Enjoy what we gonna get this year..!! Stop fighting about somebody that doesnt care what you think,.!!!!!!!
You are probably right that Al would still be in the band, but they were an oldies act since 1974, long before Carl passed away. We know they tried to avoid it on records, but lack of sales hurt that. Recapturing lightning in a bottle with albums like MIU didn't work either. Trying Mike Love as a Producer didn't work in the 90's either. Except for us hardcore fans, everyone else pigeonholed them as a an Oldies band. I believe that if the concert goers of the 70's and early 80's had been more receptive to the newer material, things would/could have gone much differently. Many of us seen and heard them try to fight it early on, but you can only do that so long before the audience can turn on you. Considering that concerts have been their bread & butter for more than 40 years, you need to play what the audience wants to hear, and that is just the oldies, sad to say.


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Post by: D409 on January 14, 2012, 08:47:58 AM
If you were a 70-year old grandfather who'd been a "Beach Boy" for your entire adult life, wouldn't you have a few, shall we say, quirks and eccentricities ?