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Title: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: desmondo on October 28, 2011, 08:11:45 AM
All thought on CE here please


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: thevigilanteoflove on October 28, 2011, 08:17:50 AM
Cabin Essence, since I first heard it on 20/20, has been one of my favorite Beach Boys songs and something that gave me hope about a how great a completed SMiLE would sound. That being said, this is a song that definitely benefits from being in stereo. That doesn't mean that the mono mix doesn't sound as good as it possibly could, but there is so much going on in this song that I think only a stereo mix can do it justice. Carl's vocal doesn't sound quite as clean, and some of the instruments get lost in the mix. Once again, that is not to say I think they could have done anything differently with the mono mix. For what a mono mix is capable of doing, it sounds great. Still one of my all-time favorites.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Wrightfan on October 28, 2011, 10:06:38 AM
Always has been one of my favorite. Love the chorus vocals in particular. Really like whatever they did on Mike's voice (sped up?) at the end.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Yorick on October 30, 2011, 07:26:38 AM
At 01:01 a lot of noise suddenly mutes in the middle of the chorus, bad job by Mark & Alan.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on October 30, 2011, 12:54:50 PM
not on my copy :P


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Paul2010 on October 30, 2011, 01:22:29 PM
At 01:01 a lot of noise suddenly mutes in the middle of the chorus, bad job by Mark & Alan.

Yeah, that's on my copy as well. There a small click as well. I don't know what could have happened, a small mastering error or something?

Edit: I think the same thing happens at 2:17.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: theCOD on October 30, 2011, 09:36:57 PM
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/thCOD/cabinspectral.png)

This is what you're hearing. :wall


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 30, 2011, 10:24:11 PM
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/thCOD/cabinspectral.png)

This is what you're hearing. :wall

It's not that, there is clearly a "click" and suddenly a whole lot less hiss on the track. Hrrrm.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: theCOD on October 30, 2011, 10:31:07 PM
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/thCOD/cabinspectral.png)

This is what you're hearing. :wall

It's not that, there is clearly a "click" and suddenly a whole lot less hiss on the track. Hrrrm.

That's what you see in the image. That big purple block is the hiss, with a click at the end of it.

How did this track end up sounding worse than any of the previous releases?

???


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 30, 2011, 11:56:47 PM
Oh! Gotcha.

And yeah, kinda puzzling. This is one of the tracks that you'd think would have been pretty simple to put together.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Paul2010 on October 31, 2011, 02:03:19 AM
Hi, does anyone know if there's going to be a digital version available? If so, Capitol could fix things like these and let people download a 'fixed' version with errors like these repaired.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: thevigilanteoflove on October 31, 2011, 11:36:51 AM
Wow. I didn't notice that at first but now it's pretty evident. I mean I doesn't ruin the song but it's very noticeable.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: jimmy1949 on October 31, 2011, 01:09:11 PM
not on my copy :P
;D ;D ;D :lol


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Micha on November 01, 2011, 12:14:28 AM
My personal theory: It's a 1966 Brian test mix of these sections, not a 2011 mix. Too bad there's no info on how the disc 1 mixes were assembled. The amount of session info is great though! :)


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: GeorgeFellInHisHorn on November 01, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
I don't know if its my EQ settings or what, but the "Truck-Drivin Man" vocals are SUPER present in the vinyl, like more than ever, and the ending tag sounded the best it's ever sounded to me.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Paul2010 on November 01, 2011, 12:52:32 PM
My personal theory: It's a 1966 Brian test mix of these sections, not a 2011 mix. Too bad there's no info on how the disc 1 mixes were assembled. The amount of session info is great though! :)

Maybe something that IconFetch could ask Mark Linnett in his second interview? I think I read somewhere that we could suggest some new questions to the interviewer...


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Chris Brown on November 01, 2011, 07:55:38 PM
My personal theory: It's a 1966 Brian test mix of these sections, not a 2011 mix. Too bad there's no info on how the disc 1 mixes were assembled. The amount of session info is great though! :)

Maybe something that IconFetch could ask Mark Linnett in his second interview? I think I read somewhere that we could suggest some new questions to the interviewer...

An excellent idea, and I would tend to agree with that theory.  They pasted Carl's lead and Denny's "Truck Drivin' Man" into test edits that Brian did, then edited them together.  The chorus kicks more ass than it ever has, and Mike's vocal is much more upfront than the '68 mix.  I feel like there has to be a reason for these things, other than just wanting this mix to sound different than the released version.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Micha on November 02, 2011, 12:14:46 AM
My personal theory: It's a 1966 Brian test mix of these sections, not a 2011 mix. Too bad there's no info on how the disc 1 mixes were assembled. The amount of session info is great though! :)

Maybe something that IconFetch could ask Mark Linnett in his second interview? I think I read somewhere that we could suggest some new questions to the interviewer...

An excellent idea, and I would tend to agree with that theory.  They pasted Carl's lead and Denny's "Truck Drivin' Man" into test edits that Brian did, then edited them together.  The chorus kicks more ass than it ever has, and Mike's vocal is much more upfront than the '68 mix.  I feel like there has to be a reason for these things, other than just wanting this mix to sound different than the released version.

If I remember correctly, the multitrack tape with Carl's lead is missing now, so they couldn't paste it into anything. They used one stereo channel of the 1969 version for the verses.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: donald on November 02, 2011, 12:15:41 PM
It definitely sounds different than versions I've heard.  It may just be me but that viola/cello bottom end absolutely vibrates in the room unlike I have ever heard it.  The whole peice just shimmers with sound.

Interesting to read the posts about what was "flown in", edited etc in order to to get these"new" versions of these songs, many of which have been everywhere for years, but never quite like this. 


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Paul2010 on November 05, 2011, 03:53:04 AM
I've tried to improve this track a bit, by removing the clicks (which makes the hiss drop out much less obvious) and speed correcting and re-editing the 'Over and over' part.

Is it allowed to post the link here, or should I keep it PM only? Anyway, if anyone's interested, PM me.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on February 22, 2012, 12:59:05 PM
It's a stunning track, obviously, but I prefer the 20/20 version. This new version sounds great - until the 'Who ran the Iron Horse?' chorus. Then it just sounds 'busy', whereas the '69 version sounds crystal clear. The verses and ending however sound as good as ever, but this is one of the few tracks where, to me, they haven't quite pulled it off. 

It is though a tremendous song, one that really shows how incredibly far ahead of everyone Brian really was at this point. Is that a sitar on Sessions CD 3, track 10? Spectacular! 


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Micha on March 15, 2012, 11:54:37 PM
It's a stunning track, obviously, but I prefer the 20/20 version. This new version sounds great - until the 'Who ran the Iron Horse?' chorus. Then it just sounds 'busy', whereas the '69 version sounds crystal clear. The verses and ending however sound as good as ever, but this is one of the few tracks where, to me, they haven't quite pulled it off. 

It is though a tremendous song, one that really shows how incredibly far ahead of everyone Brian really was at this point. Is that a sitar on Sessions CD 3, track 10? Spectacular! 

I think it's a banjo played with a bottleneck.

I prefer the TSS version, only the verses should have been mixed lower for better contrast with the busy parts. Oh, and the tag should have been louder. At least that was easy to do with editing software.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Disney Boy (1985) on March 25, 2012, 05:42:39 AM
It's a stunning track, obviously, but I prefer the 20/20 version. This new version sounds great - until the 'Who ran the Iron Horse?' chorus. Then it just sounds 'busy', whereas the '69 version sounds crystal clear. The verses and ending however sound as good as ever, but this is one of the few tracks where, to me, they haven't quite pulled it off. 

It is though a tremendous song, one that really shows how incredibly far ahead of everyone Brian really was at this point. Is that a sitar on Sessions CD 3, track 10? Spectacular! 

I think it's a banjo played with a bottleneck.

I prefer the TSS version, only the verses should have been mixed lower for better contrast with the busy parts. Oh, and the tag should have been louder. At least that was easy to do with editing software.

But surely the (perfect) 20/20 version already has all this, and thus is therefore superior to the (not-perfect) TSS mix.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on March 27, 2012, 10:42:27 PM
The chorus on the TSS edit just turn into a mess, and that's partially due to the horrific error on the track. I still prefer the '68 mix, even if Mike is a bit *too* distant on the tag. I'm sure it was intentional, going for effect, but it's just a bit too much. imo.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on April 07, 2012, 04:14:21 AM
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/thCOD/cabinspectral.png)

This is what you're hearing. :wall

Fire?


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Micha on April 11, 2012, 11:09:59 PM
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/thCOD/cabinspectral.png)

This is what you're hearing. :wall

Fire?

That hiss you see there stopping after two thirds - recently a friend of mine lent me his car for a week, and on that car stereo system I noticed the hiss stopping actually for the first time. It's not that obvious to hear when I play it over my home system.

And even with that hiss I prefer the TSS version. Its overall sound is much more like the original Pet Sounds mix and the Good Vibrations single rather than the very clean sounding 20/20 version. This is obviously my subjective taste.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: SgtTimBob on October 01, 2012, 06:01:59 AM
Love Cabin Essence. On the subject of the hiss etc, I have to say that I personally love that it's there. Things like that, to me at least, add a certain charm and honesty to the collection; because ultimately SMiLE is the great lost work. What we are listening to in TSS is a fractured approximation of what might have been, warts and all, which makes it all the more heart achingly beautiful in my opinion. This is something I've long thought about SMiLE... the fact that it was always something that 'might have been,' a lost master-work, simply heightens and enriches it all the more.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Amazing Larry on October 03, 2012, 02:00:59 AM
There are a whole ton of noise reduction muck-ups like this all over the whole Smile set, this one just happens to be one of the worst. It's kinda sad that this stuff got past quality control. Oh well... at least we have Smile.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: theCOD on October 18, 2012, 08:53:27 AM
The whole album approximation is sloppy. I really hope we get a remaster in the future without all these issues. I don't care how they release it or how much it costs. I want a version of SMiLE that sounds like it was done by professionals.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Aegir on October 19, 2012, 02:47:43 AM
BURN!


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 19, 2012, 07:19:13 AM
I don't care how they release it or how much it costs.

You should.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: theCOD on October 19, 2012, 10:14:32 AM
BURN!

So original and funny! Keep 'em coming, moron. :lol


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 20, 2012, 11:32:33 AM
BURN!

So original and funny! Keep 'em coming, moron. :lol

I think he was implyin' you burned teh Marky Mark by saying he done a poor job.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Aegir on October 27, 2012, 04:28:07 PM
Yeah, I thought the line "I want a version of SMiLE that sounds like it was done by professionals." was a pretty sick burn against Linett and Boyd. I don't agree that Smile sounds unprofessional, but I think it's a pretty sick burn.

if that offended you, COD, then that doesn't make me the moron. I really don't know why people have such a problem with my posts.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Mooger Fooger on February 16, 2013, 11:36:58 AM
So how many Grammys has COD won for his work on archival releases, again?


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Mahalo on July 21, 2013, 10:25:04 AM
I have come to prefer the mono mix of this. There is a drive and pulse in the mono that is not as aggressive to my ears in the stereo version. As far as the hiss, I didn't even notice it until it was pointed out to me on this site. I don't even notice it now. I guess my ears are tuned into the feel rather than the tech aspect. There is a lot of white noise in the stereo version anyways, so it really doesn't matter.

Over an Over, the crow cries uncover the cornfield........


 :rock



Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on July 24, 2013, 09:50:35 PM
GOOOOIN TO THE BEACH
GOOOOOIN TO THE BEACH
WITH MY BAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBAY


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: blossomworld on January 03, 2015, 01:00:24 PM
Really late reply here, but how "done" were the lyrics and vocal melody in '66/'67, and were verse vocals ever recorded during the actual SMiLE sessions, or at all before Carl and Dennis in '68 or so?


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: runnersdialzero on January 11, 2015, 07:40:12 PM
Really late reply here, but how "done" were the lyrics and vocal melody in '66/'67, and were verse vocals ever recorded during the actual SMiLE sessions, or at all before Carl and Dennis in '68 or so?

The lyrics are from 66/67, so I'd assume the melody was, too. Nothing Brian or Van Dyke has said indicates it wasn't written during the actual Smile-era. As for any vocals recorded during the Smile sessions, I think the chorus and tag were done back then, but no version of the verses, as far as we know.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard on January 14, 2015, 11:55:57 PM
The whole album approximation is sloppy. I really hope we get a remaster in the future without all these issues. I don't care how they release it or how much it costs. I want a version of SMiLE that sounds like it was done by professionals.

Yeah, lotta issues with Disc 1. Lotta issues. Glad I'm not alone; I feel like I have to walk on eggshells around here sometimes when I criticize such things.



Someone has to mention the never-used Reconnected Telephones lyrics. Am I alone in thinking they were supposed to be mixed into the first chorus at some point? I think that'd make more sense than TDM standing alone in the second one.


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: JK on February 26, 2017, 12:42:05 PM
I don't know if its my EQ settings or what, but the "Truck-Drivin Man" vocals are SUPER present in the vinyl, like more than ever, and the ending tag sounded the best it's ever sounded to me.

I don't know about TSS (I only have/need the single CD), but those vocals are brought out wonderfully well here:

https://youtu.be/1dje0M5b_9M



Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: Silken on May 08, 2017, 02:14:19 PM
I don't know if its my EQ settings or what, but the "Truck-Drivin Man" vocals are SUPER present in the vinyl, like more than ever, and the ending tag sounded the best it's ever sounded to me.

I don't know about TSS (I only have/need the single CD), but those vocals are brought out wonderfully well here:

https://youtu.be/1dje0M5b_9M



Thanks for sharing this, John!!


Title: Re: TSS - All things Cabinessence
Post by: JK on May 09, 2017, 05:48:56 AM

those vocals are brought out wonderfully well here:
https://youtu.be/1dje0M5b_9M

Thanks for sharing this, John!!

You're welcome. These are the lyrics (reproduced from Brad Elliott's book):

"Truck drivin' man do what you can
High-tail your load off the road
Out of night life, I'm a gas man
I don't believe I gotta grieve
I'm out of luck
With a buck and a booth
Catchin' on to the truth
In the vast past, the last gasp [is it really "past"? Could be anything to these ears]
Right in the dust, trust that you must (or maybe "Riding the dust")
Catch as catch can"