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Title: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Real Barnyard on October 09, 2011, 04:43:22 AM
http://twitter.com/#!/RadioVendetta

Check the September 29th tweets.
Seems like the 'an unavoidable studio situation in Los Angeles' Brian was referring to, and the reason that some dates were cancelled has an answer.

Bathroom at oceanway studios in LA. Listening to new Beach Boys WITH Brian Wilson.

Ocean Way studios with Brian Wilson. New record is AMAZING. Beach Boys wrote the book.



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: buddhahat on October 09, 2011, 04:55:14 AM
Wow - sounds promising.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 09, 2011, 05:00:22 AM
So is it a new album oR IS IT A BOOK? WHICH IS IT DAFAHNURSHRUAHF*)_W#HGUw3hiNPQW#HGW


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 09, 2011, 05:19:37 AM
Interesting. But who did write this ?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 09, 2011, 05:26:22 AM
Interesting. But who did write this ?

Your avatar is Vince McMahon, owner of the WOrld Wrestling Federation.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: CarlTheVoice on October 09, 2011, 05:41:11 AM
Oooh very exciting if true! Fingers crossed! I'd love to hear some new/unreleased stuff from Brian and the boys but for me it just won't be the same without Carl. Carl is the Beach Boys to me. I wonder who is involved with the production if this is true, any of Brian's band? Christian Love?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 09, 2011, 06:02:03 AM
Interesting. But who did write this ?

Your avatar is Vince McMahon, owner of the WOrld Wrestling Federation.



My avatar is the Killer, but that's not answering my question.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: hypehat on October 09, 2011, 06:08:38 AM
If true, sounds like the Rolling Stone article wasn't far off the mark....  ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 09, 2011, 07:31:47 AM
wow, sounds very interesting


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mahalo on October 09, 2011, 07:35:51 AM
Ocean Way would be a great name for a BB record...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 09, 2011, 07:36:13 AM
I think Al's been out-jumped in jumping the gun!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 09, 2011, 07:39:42 AM
Ocean Way would be a great name for a BB record...

Really would


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: CarlTheVoice on October 09, 2011, 07:59:01 AM
Ocean Way would be a great name for a BB record...


It would be perfect!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 09, 2011, 08:01:07 AM
Ocean Way would be a great name for a BB record...


It would be perfect!

Kind of like Abbey Road was a great name for The Beatles swan-song?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Real Barnyard on October 09, 2011, 08:12:09 AM
Interesting. But who did write this ?

Joey Scoleri, producer and former Q107 and Fan 590 radio host.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 09, 2011, 08:16:12 AM
Interesting. But who did write this ?

Joey Scoleri, producer and former Q107 and Fan 590 radio host.

And MC of Charlie Sheen's trainwreck of a tour earlier this year.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2011, 08:32:45 AM
Beach Boys doing studio work..... ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 09, 2011, 08:33:07 AM
Brian in the studio

(http://i54.tinypic.com/28jhdec.jpg)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 09, 2011, 08:36:02 AM
Interesting. But who did write this ?

Joey Scoleri, producer and former Q107 and Fan 590 radio host.


Thanks ! So not just a crazy fan posting sh!t but one who really has a certain access to it it seems.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 09, 2011, 08:44:30 AM
Just my opinion, but...if they DO a new BBs album for the 50th, and Al put "Don't Fight The Sea" on it, and they also included the BBs version of "Soul Searchin'" (with the Wilson/Paley backing track), they'd have two killer tracks with Carl, reach a much larger audience with them than when they appeared on Al's and Brian's solo albums, and most of us hardcore fans who already have those tracks wouldn't mind a bit if they were reused in this context, if the rest of the album was made up of killer new BW compositions & productions with all the surviving members.  Right?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 09, 2011, 08:50:57 AM
Just my opinion, but...if they DO a new BBs album for the 50th, and Al put "Don't Fight The Sea" on it, and they also included the BBs version of "Soul Searchin'" (with the Wilson/Paley backing track), they'd have two killer tracks with Carl, reach a much larger audience with them than when they appeared on Al's and Brian's solo albums, and most of us hardcore fans who already have those tracks wouldn't mind a bit if they were reused in this context, if the rest of the album was made up of killer new BW compositions & productions with all the surviving members.  Right?


I'd be all up for using as much of Carl's voice as possible (Soul Searchin' still has hit potential imo). Also that track (forgot it's name) that Al wants to put as a bonus on his album on CD which features Carl.

In fact I'd also love to see/hear Dennis' voice on there. Would love if they could finish his "California slide" (a.k.a. I'm going yur way). That's such a fantastic rocker - no pun - and also could get some radio playing time. But I believe that is unlikely....


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Runaways on October 09, 2011, 09:29:37 AM
AGD, whats happening


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Nicko1234 on October 09, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Just my opinion, but...if they DO a new BBs album for the 50th, and Al put "Don't Fight The Sea" on it, and they also included the BBs version of "Soul Searchin'" (with the Wilson/Paley backing track), they'd have two killer tracks with Carl, reach a much larger audience with them than when they appeared on Al's and Brian's solo albums, and most of us hardcore fans who already have those tracks wouldn't mind a bit if they were reused in this context, if the rest of the album was made up of killer new BW compositions & productions with all the surviving members.  Right?


I'd be all up for using as much of Carl's voice as possible (Soul Searchin' still has hit potential imo). Also that track (forgot it's name) that Al wants to put as a bonus on his album on CD which features Carl.

In fact I'd also love to see/hear Dennis' voice on there. Would love if they could finish his "California slide" (a.k.a. I'm going yur way). That's such a fantastic rocker - no pun - and also could get some radio playing time. But I believe that is unlikely....

I agree with the comments about using the Carl stuff...

But not about California Slide. It's a fairly dull song and would be completely out of place. If they finished up 'I've Got a Friend', as has been suggested before, then that would be a good idea for an album closer maybe.

Aside from that...2 or 3 Mike songs from his album, You're Still a Mystery, a couple of other unreleased Brian things and whatever Al and Bruce have got left over...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 09, 2011, 10:21:43 AM
Is this thread's origin tale related (and I'm assuming it has to be) with Eddie Bayer's recent claim to be playing on BBs tunes?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 09, 2011, 11:44:30 AM
Both can coexist, of course, but bring me the new studio album anytime over the Smle box.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Dunderhead on October 09, 2011, 12:45:20 PM
I'm skeptical towards a new album. I'd love one more *great* BB album, but I have a feeling this is going to include a smattering of covers and newly recorded versions of unreleased songs. I'd like an album built from the ground up of all new material, stuff that's really designed to stand together, rather than just some adult-contempo versions of songs that will never be better than the originals.
The BB should have really worked with a hip producer. Look what Jack White did for Loretta Lynn. There are so many bands out there right now that would probably love to work with Brian. An all new album produced by Panda Bear? That would really have a chance to stand up with the better BB material, to be a buzzed about album. But I'm expecting really a tasteful yet mediocre reunion album that won't make up for the last 20-30 years of the bands career


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 09, 2011, 01:11:55 PM
Both can coexist, of course, but bring me the new studio album anytime over the Smle box.

You are joking surely!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: othereric on October 09, 2011, 01:36:12 PM
I'm skeptical towards a new album. I'd love one more *great* BB album, but I have a feeling this is going to include a smattering of covers and newly recorded versions of unreleased songs. I'd like an album built from the ground up of all new material, stuff that's really designed to stand together, rather than just some adult-contempo versions of songs that will never be better than the originals.
The BB should have really worked with a hip producer. Look what Jack White did for Loretta Lynn. There are so many bands out there right now that would probably love to work with Brian. An all new album produced by Panda Bear? That would really have a chance to stand up with the better BB material, to be a buzzed about album. But I'm expecting really a tasteful yet mediocre reunion album that won't make up for the last 20-30 years of the bands career

Do you really think Brian, or any of the Beach Boys for that matter, would be comfortable having Jack White or Panda Bear in the studio producing their album? They'd be scared to death.

I seem to recall something akin to this being tried before with the guy from The High Llamas. Brian's response after leaving the studio was something to the effect of..."I don't need some young guy telling me how to do things I'd already done 30 years ago."

What the Beach Boys need is a professional producer with a solid reputation or at least someone who can take their sound to interesting places while still remaining faithful and appropriate. Rick Rubin, Dave Friddman, maybe even Brian Eno. One thought that would be interesting, although a long shot, would be Beck. He's been producing albums for awhile now and I know from listening to interviews that he is a pretty huge Beach Boys fan. He could bring a really interesting perspective to the album but be restrained enough to keep it acceptable. Acceptable yet forward thinking.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2011, 01:42:11 PM
Just need a producer who respects the strengths of the group and doesn't try to make them record in mold they don't want to record in. Just let the boys record their way with hints and suggestions along the way.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 09, 2011, 01:49:02 PM
I have often wondered about an Eno produced BW effort. 8)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 09, 2011, 01:49:58 PM
I'm skeptical towards a new album. I'd love one more *great* BB album, but I have a feeling this is going to include a smattering of covers and newly recorded versions of unreleased songs. I'd like an album built from the ground up of all new material, stuff that's really designed to stand together, rather than just some adult-contempo versions of songs that will never be better than the originals.
The BB should have really worked with a hip producer. Look what Jack White did for Loretta Lynn. There are so many bands out there right now that would probably love to work with Brian. An all new album produced by Panda Bear? That would really have a chance to stand up with the better BB material, to be a buzzed about album. But I'm expecting really a tasteful yet mediocre reunion album that won't make up for the last 20-30 years of the bands career

Do you really think Brian, or any of the Beach Boys for that matter, would be comfortable having Jack White or Panda Bear in the studio producing their album? They'd be scared to death.

I seem to recall something akin to this being tried before with the guy from The High Llamas. Brian's response after leaving the studio was something to the effect of..."I don't need some young guy telling me how to do things I'd already done 30 years ago."

What the Beach Boys need is a professional producer with a solid reputation or at least someone who can take their sound to interesting places while still remaining faithful and appropriate. Rick Rubin, Dave Friddman, maybe even Brian Eno. One thought that would be interesting, although a long shot, would be Beck. He's been producing albums for awhile now and I know from listening to interviews that he is a pretty huge Beach Boys fan. He could bring a really interesting perspective to the album but be restrained enough to keep it acceptable. Acceptable yet forward thinking.



No, let Brian produce the thing with hep by Daria and Scott. Look at his latest efforts, they were very good. The Beach Boys don't need any new directions, just great songs with a fitting production. The album doesn't have to be the best record ever made. It just has to be great and tastefull. It'll certainly be the last Beach Boys album, so they should end with some very good pop music.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 09, 2011, 01:51:03 PM
Just need a producer who respects the strengths of the group and doesn't try to make them record in mold they don't want to record in. Just let the boys record their way with hints and suggestions along the way.

Spector


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2011, 01:55:48 PM
Just need a producer who respects the strengths of the group and doesn't try to make them record in mold they don't want to record in. Just let the boys record their way with hints and suggestions along the way.

Spector
Phil Spector on work-release produces Brian on "be my baby." :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Fall Breaks on October 09, 2011, 02:02:32 PM
Any indication that anyone else than BW/BB produced the Do It Again session this summer? A new BW produced BB album would be great to have, no matter how it sounds, if that makes any sense. Perfect career closer.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 09, 2011, 02:12:30 PM

No, let Brian produce the thing with hep by Daria and Scott. Look at his latest efforts, they were very good. The Beach Boys don't need any new directions, just great songs with a fitting production. The album doesn't have to be the best record ever made. It just has to be great and tastefull. It'll certainly be the last Beach Boys album, so they should end with some very good pop music.

Agreed. Past experience with outside producers has not been successful. Brian is the BBs producer, period. Darn it! You have Brian Wilson on board! BRIAN WILSON!! And people wanna call an outsider?

The Sean O'Hagan attempt was a fiasco. Joe Thomas? Steve Levine, with the BBS doing Culture Club? Or Brian doing ELO with Jeff Lynne? Or the IJWMFTT "black" approach with Don Was? Or fan-producer coming up with unconvincing Wilsonesque pastiche? Furthermore, it seems like I'm the only Terry Melcher enthusiast on this board.

Leave hip producers for the hipsters. Let Brian Wilson produce the Beach Boys. If he needs technical support, he'll have it. And who cares if the album is a masterpiece or not? That's not the point. It's all about these guys standing around a microphone, and those two cousins writing together.

This time it's not about music. It's about history. It's about coming full circle fifteen years after the latest try.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Awesoman on October 09, 2011, 02:17:31 PM
I'm going to continue to be a downer on this and truly believe that any new music from what's left of the band is going to be forgettable at best.  Are we fans that naive to honestly think that something magically is going to happen if these guys get back together?  Brian Wilson seems completely disinterested in a reunion when asked in interviews.  He also apparently hasn't written anything new in years.  I'm just not that interested in this idea.

Although admittingly I'd love to see an official release of the Beach Boys version of "Soul Searchin'"...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2011, 02:19:02 PM
^^ There's also no Santa Claus. 

Why be 'a downer' ?  To hell with that.  This is going to be great!  Bring it on!  Glad to hear it's being recorded.  Also glad to hear the twitter person say that it sounds fantastic.  Yay!  I have my 15 bucks sitting here in my wallet, already earmarked for this album.  Get it to me.  I'll take one. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Dunderhead on October 09, 2011, 02:22:06 PM
I'm going to continue to be a downer on this and truly believe that any new music from what's left of the band is going to be forgettable at best.  Are we fans that naive to honestly think that something magically is going to happen if these guys get back together?  Brian Wilson seems completely disinterested in a reunion when asked in interviews.  He also apparently hasn't written anything new in years.  I'm just not that interested in this idea.

Although admittingly I'd love to see an official release of the Beach Boys version of "Soul Searchin'"...

agreed


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 09, 2011, 02:25:59 PM
Why be 'a downer' ?  To hell with that.  This is going to be great!  Bring it on!  Glad to hear it's being recorded.  Also glad to hear the twitter person say that it sounds fantastic.  Yay!  I have my 15 bucks sitting here in my wallet, already earmarked for this album.  Get it to me.  I'll take one. 

Agreed.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 09, 2011, 02:29:44 PM
Why be 'a downer' ?  To hell with that.  This is going to be great!  Bring it on!  Glad to hear it's being recorded.  Also glad to hear the twitter person say that it sounds fantastic.  Yay!  I have my 15 bucks sitting here in my wallet, already earmarked for this album.  Get it to me.  I'll take one.

Agreed.

I'm in. As a career closer for the band, it can't be any worse than Stars & Stripes or SIP and given BW's recent form it could be good. A much better note to bow out on, and a fitting way to mark their 50th, however it turds turns out.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Dunderhead on October 09, 2011, 02:46:14 PM
To what extent does Brian even produce or arrange anymore? The newer records have nice production, in that they sound professional, but they don't have interesting production.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 09, 2011, 02:50:15 PM
One thing of concern to me is when has this been done? A album often takes months to record yet Mikes group and Brian have been doing their usual touring which leads me to think its not happening or, group members go in at different times to record.

Come to think of it. The perfect way to celebrate 50 years. No plan, disjointed, piecemeal and a complete lack of unity!

edit.

And let me get this straight. The source is some guy tweeting from the can!!!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jimmie_R on October 09, 2011, 03:00:02 PM
It would be cool with a new BB album as long as Terry Melcher doesn´t produce! They should get some one like Rick Rubin to do it.
He made Johnny Cash´s albums sound fantastic to both an ageing and new audience!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Musketeer on October 09, 2011, 03:06:17 PM
It would be cool with a new BB album as long as Terry Melcher doesn´t produce! They should get some one like Rick Rubin to do it.
He made Johnny Cash´s albums sound fantastic to both an ageing and new audience!

Since Terry Melcher died in 2004 I don't think you have much to worry about.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 09, 2011, 03:07:03 PM

This time it's not about music. It's about history. It's about coming full circle fifteen years after the latest try.

What is this? Wouldn't reunion shows accomplish the same thing?

I said this some time ago:

Honestly, a final Beach Boys album feels somewhat necessary considering the outright bizarre way things were left in the 90s (and even the 80s to a lesser extent). A few key tracks that were never finished being brought back, specifically a couple from the scrapped 90s sessions (and, of course, utilizing Carl's vocals whenever possible), getting Brian, Al, Mike, Bruce, and David involved in the project, have Darian in the picture somewhere because he knows his sh*t and has shown he knows what's tasteful with arrangements, possibly work on a lost Dennis track or two (again, tastefully), keep re-recordings of classic tracks and too blatant retreads of the surf material to a minimum (as to avoid Summer in Paradise II), etc. etc. etc.

With the right producer (and considering the quality of some of the stuff on That Lucky Old Sun), I honest to goodness think they'd be capable of pulling off something on par with a lesser late 60s album. Their songwriting isn't what it used to be, their voices aren't what they used to be, they're getting on in age, but I'll be damned if an aged and lesser Beach Boys isn't still capable of work every bit as affective as it used to be IF (BIIIG if) they have the right people in their corner on this.

Doesn't Matt Jardine have a somewhat late 60s Brian-esque falsetto? Doesn't one of Carl's sons have really good Carl-esque voice? I'd love to hear the right people assisting the main surviving Beach Boys members with this stuff - not because they simply sound like other folks in Beach Boys history, but because they have the skills and they're of Beach Boys blood.

I can dream, can't I? *gets genuinely sad to a small extent* :(

Granted I didn't mention anything about an outside producer, but I really don't think it'd be the worst idea if the right person was chosen. Someone who can bring out Brian's "producer" as much as possible, someone who can say "This isn't working. This sucks and the majority of your fanbase will hate it" or "What the f*** were you just playing? Sounds great, let's try going somewhere with that."


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Tord on October 09, 2011, 03:11:14 PM
I'm going to continue to be a downer on this and truly believe that any new music from what's left of the band is going to be forgettable at best.  Are we fans that naive to honestly think that something magically is going to happen if these guys get back together?  Brian Wilson seems completely disinterested in a reunion when asked in interviews.  He also apparently hasn't written anything new in years.  I'm just not that interested in this idea.

Although admittingly I'd love to see an official release of the Beach Boys version of "Soul Searchin'"...

Brian is writing songs again.

 “I went for about four years without writing a single song,” Wilson said. “Then all of a sudden I started writing a whole bunch of songs again.

"When it comes it comes, when it doesn’t it doesn’t.”

http://napa.patch.com/articles/beach-boys-brian-wilson-comes-to-napa (http://napa.patch.com/articles/beach-boys-brian-wilson-comes-to-napa)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: hypehat on October 09, 2011, 03:14:49 PM
One thing of concern to me is when has this been done? A album often takes months to record yet Mikes group and Brian have been doing their usual touring which leads me to think its not happening or, group members go in at different times to record.

Come to think of it. The perfect way to celebrate 50 years. No plan, disjointed, piecemeal and a complete lack of unity!

edit.

And let me get this straight. The source is some guy tweeting from the can!!!

Well, these could still be try-out sessions. It would only take a day to work on a song or two, as a big ensemble emailed parts to learn beforehand, or a smaller group learning them on the day. I mean, no-one is saying an albums in the can.

It's difficult - we do have a lot of sources saying BW is writing new material, apart from BW. Maybe he's been instructed to keep people off the scent, maybe they're reworking old material. Brian has been re-recording older songs lately (apparently where the last few studio pics on Facebook come from). We don't know enough.

Tellingly, Mike is saying there are new BW songs. He hasn't said he's been writing lyrics for them, just that he wants to.

I'd like this a lot if it turned out well - Whilst Brian has had his indian summer in the last decade, and deservedly so, Mike, Bruce and Al should get one too. Of course, they could f*ck it up  ::)



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Awesoman on October 09, 2011, 03:25:25 PM
It always amuses me how much people crave "closure" with this band.  If you really need to have a Hollywood ending, go watch a Disney flick (or listen to Brian's forthcoming Disney album  :p).

Considering they have been one of the most dysfunctional groups in the history of rock bands, I don't know why people would expect them to just "get along" and put out something worthwhile.  Two of their key members that could have elevated this reunion to something relevant are dead, and the leader of the group has been on auto-pilot for years.  Look at the music they've recorded as a group in the last 25 years; with the exception of "Kokomo" (*sigh*), none of it is memorable (well I suppose it's memorable in how bad some of it is).  These guys had their chance in the mid-90's to put out something decent with the Don Was sessions, and they blew that in favor of Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1.  With Brian Wilson not particularly interested, I can already picture how this album will go:

Mike Love will supply us with a number of songs that will be overcooked with lame Beach Boys references.  And he'll be sure to rhyme at least several words with "vibrations".  Al Jardine will treat us to even more songs about his fetish with California (maybe he'll even  cover T-Pac's "California Love"  :lol).  Bruce will grin like an idiot and maybe we'll finally be treated to that unnecessary cover of "Proud Mary" that Brian wants to unleash on us.  

Sorry gang; if the band were up to some remarkable new material I'd be all for it.  I just don't think that is even remotely realistic at this stage of the game.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 09, 2011, 03:27:04 PM
To what extent does Brian even produce or arrange anymore? The newer records have nice production, in that they sound professional, but they don't have interesting production.

Ah, come on!  These guys made their artistic statement when they were in their 20s. Let them record one last album together. That's it.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 09, 2011, 03:28:56 PM
It always amuses me how much people crave "closure" with this band.  If you really need to have a Hollywood ending, go watch a Disney flick (or listen to Brian's forthcoming Disney album  :p).

Considering they have been one of the most dysfunctional groups in the history of rock bands, I don't know why people would expect them to just "get along" and put out something worthwhile.  Two of their key members that could have elevated this reunion to something relevant are dead, and the leader of the group has been on auto-pilot for years.  Look at the music they've recorded as a group in the last 25 years; with the exception of "Kokomo" (*sigh*), none of it is memorable (well I suppose it's memorable in how bad some of it is).  These guys had their chance in the mid-90's to put out something decent with the Don Was sessions, and they blew that in favor of Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1.  With Brian Wilson not particularly interested, I can already picture how this album will go:

Mike Love will supply us with a number of songs that will be overcooked with lame Beach Boys references.  And he'll be sure to rhyme at least several words with "vibrations".  Al Jardine will treat us to even more songs about his fetish with California (maybe he'll even  cover T-Pac's "California Love"  :lol).  Bruce will grin like an idiot and maybe we'll finally be treated to that unnecessary cover of Proud Mary that Brian wants to unleash on us.  

Sorry gang; if the band were up to some remarkable new material I'd be all for it.  I just don't think that is even remotely realistic at this stage of the game.

Beach Boy fandom... the record's not even out and people are already hating it


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 09, 2011, 03:35:03 PM
It always amuses me how much people crave "closure" with this band.  If you really need to have a Hollywood ending, go watch a Disney flick (or listen to Brian's forthcoming Disney album  :p).

Considering they have been one of the most dysfunctional groups in the history of rock bands, I don't know why people would expect them to just "get along" and put out something worthwhile.  Two of their key members that could have elevated this reunion to something relevant are dead, and the leader of the group has been on auto-pilot for years.  Look at the music they've recorded as a group in the last 25 years; with the exception of "Kokomo" (*sigh*), none of it is memorable (well I suppose it's memorable in how bad some of it is).  These guys had their chance in the mid-90's to put out something decent with the Don Was sessions, and they blew that in favor of Stars & Stripes, Vol. 1.  With Brian Wilson not particularly interested, I can already picture how this album will go:

Mike Love will supply us with a number of songs that will be overcooked with lame Beach Boys references.  And he'll be sure to rhyme at least several words with "vibrations".  Al Jardine will treat us to even more songs about his fetish with California (maybe he'll even  cover T-Pac's "California Love"  :lol).  Bruce will grin like an idiot and maybe we'll finally be treated to that unnecessary cover of Proud Mary that Brian wants to unleash on us. 

Sorry gang; if the band were up to some remarkable new material I'd be all for it.  I just don't think that is even remotely realistic at this stage of the game.

Beach Boy fandom... the record's not even out and people are already hating it
Well, only couple people, and from the ones that I would expect it from.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Dunderhead on October 09, 2011, 04:27:10 PM
To what extent does Brian even produce or arrange anymore? The newer records have nice production, in that they sound professional, but they don't have interesting production.

Ah, come on!  These guys made their artistic statement when they were in their 20s. Let them record one last album together. That's it.

But that's exactly what I want, that would be a good album, the boys just coming together "let's do one more for old times sake", something with the feelings of fraternity and friendship that's present in some of their very best music. But that's not what I feel we're getting, I feel like this project already has an air of obligation. The first session apparently "didn't go well", of course the sources haven't really explained, and Brian has been saying for the last six months, outright, that he doesn't really like to work with Mike.
The Beach Boys are the best when their honest, that's honestly all that we fans have ever wanted, to have the band make the music that they like, that they want to make, and hear them having fun doing it. That's all the artistic statement that they've ever had to make, that's the stuff of masterpieces, when the music is real. If they don't want to do something, then they shouldn't.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 09, 2011, 04:45:59 PM
Al was suspended from the band when Recording started for SIP, yet his vocals are one of the few highlights of the album. Who says it is necessary for everyone to be all kissy, kissy to make music.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Dunderhead on October 09, 2011, 04:52:41 PM
Oh I hope it's not as bad as SIP.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 09, 2011, 04:58:21 PM
Oh I hope it's not as bad as SIP.
Are you saying his singing is bad or the album or both? Half-ass answers have little to no meaning to me.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SamMcK on October 09, 2011, 05:00:49 PM
I'm actually more hopeful that they can make a better album than they did back in the 80's and 90's which to be honest isn't saying much. :lol At this stage I think a reunion concert might be better for them.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: send me a picture and i'll tell you on October 09, 2011, 05:31:50 PM

No, let Brian produce the thing with hep by Daria and Scott.

I'd rather hear one produced with hep from Dakota Rose and Jeff.  Or Dylan and Paul, for that matter...
 :smokin :hat


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Dunderhead on October 09, 2011, 05:50:01 PM
I also hope there aren't any guest spots.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on October 09, 2011, 05:54:00 PM
I also hope there aren't any guest spots.

*COUGH GIOMH *COUGH


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Chris Brown on October 09, 2011, 05:55:03 PM
I'd love to be as optimistic about this as some, but I generally share Fishmonk's opinion here.  If the Boys are going to have one last hurrah, I'd rather it not be a "Beach Boys by numbers" type of affair.  They should do it because they want to, not solely for sake of closure or out of some misplaced sense of obligation to the fans.  They've given us more than enough already.

The best case scenario, as far as I see it, is Brian taking the lead like in the old days, Mike writing lyrics to his tracks (and avoiding all the awful Beach Boys/California/Surf cliches) and the other guys singing them.  That's it.  Maybe a few Carl/Denny tracks just to make them a part of it, as they should be, but the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.  


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: monicker on October 09, 2011, 06:25:19 PM
With Smile getting released and a chance at some redemption, this reunion album would be just like the greatest hits compilation Capitol put out right after Pet Sounds. This sh*t never ends apparently, whether it's a label decision or self-imposed.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 09, 2011, 06:39:31 PM
I would much prefer, if they included Carl/Dennis tracks, that they recorded them completely, instead of assembling old man backing vocals around a scratchy 70s demo track. I can't think of any other band besides the Beatles that included long-dead members on their reunion album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 09, 2011, 06:40:02 PM
With Smile getting released and a chance at some redemption, this reunion album would be just like the greatest hits compilation Capitol put out right after Pet Sounds. This sh*t never ends apparently, whether it's a label decision or self-imposed.

Well, I think (I hope) the difference with this is, TSS is a great big archival release of epic proportions & high interest, which in turn will spark interest in some people (even if it's not a majority) in hearing something new from the Boys.  That, I think, is an opportunity too great to pass up, for Capitol or the Boys (meaning, that's how they see it, even if some folks here would rather they not bother - yours truly not included!).


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: FatherOfTheMan Sr101 on October 09, 2011, 06:40:54 PM
But the Beatles only ever had the four guys, and they were LOYAL to their fallen friend. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: monicker on October 09, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
With Smile getting released and a chance at some redemption, this reunion album would be just like the greatest hits compilation Capitol put out right after Pet Sounds. This sh*t never ends apparently, whether it's a label decision or self-imposed.

Well, I think (I hope) the difference with this is, TSS is a great big archival release of epic proportions & high interest, which in turn will spark interest in some people (even if it's not a majority) in hearing something new from the Boys.  That, I think, is an opportunity too great to pass up, for Capitol or the Boys (meaning, that's how they see it, even if some folks here would rather they not bother - yours truly not included!).

You really think that the Smile sessions from 1966/67 are going to spark interest in some people in Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce doing something in 2011/12? Really?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 09, 2011, 07:04:44 PM
maybe if they rerecorded the workshop part for the Do It Again rerecording.

oh man! you know what would be cool! if the BWPS version of Workshop was at the end of Do It Again 2011! that would be crazy!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: JohnMill on October 09, 2011, 07:34:47 PM
With Smile getting released and a chance at some redemption, this reunion album would be just like the greatest hits compilation Capitol put out right after Pet Sounds. This sh*t never ends apparently, whether it's a label decision or self-imposed.

Well, I think (I hope) the difference with this is, TSS is a great big archival release of epic proportions & high interest, which in turn will spark interest in some people (even if it's not a majority) in hearing something new from the Boys.  That, I think, is an opportunity too great to pass up, for Capitol or the Boys (meaning, that's how they see it, even if some folks here would rather they not bother - yours truly not included!).

You really think that the Smile sessions from 1966/67 are going to spark interest in some people in Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce doing something in 2011/12? Really?

Frankly I do.  You need to look at this from a marketing perspective.  The Beach Boys are one of the most historic rock groups in the history of the industry.  Their appeal is really twofold.  For the people who lived through the sixties and enjoyed these records firsthand they are as important a group of that era as there is.  Their music represented an era in this country's history that is now a bygone era that is looked upon affectionately by those who lived through it.  The nostalgia factor kicks in big when it comes to The Beach Boys and what they represented.

For those of us who did not have the opportunity to live through the sixties first hand and have either been brought up on The Beach Boys via our parents or through our own exploration of the music of the sixties these records are also important artifacts of the era.  That is why no matter what The Beach Boys do today, tomorrow and forever on, nothing will ever diminish their importance as a historic rock group.

They key right now is the temperature of the water so to speak when it comes to how this group is perceived by the public.  There is "Joe Public" who encompasses both groups which I spoke of who are just fans of the records themselves and then the music fans who have come to realize in the past fifteen years or so that The Beach Boys are historically speaking one of the most important and influential rock groups of all time.  Mark Linett and company have done a fabulous job over the past decade or so in making the public aware of just how important Brian Wilson is as a composer with their archival releases.  From these archival releases have sprung books on Brian and the band, discussion boards like this one and so on and so forth.

It would also be remiss for one not to include Brian Wilson himself in this discussion as far as recapturing his legacy and presenting The Beach Boys music in a setting where it's not just sweating out to the oldies and instead artistic presentations of these songs which has not only drawn in fans but critics to appreciate these songs almost as if they were hearing them for the first time.

So if you look at what Mark Linett has done, you look at what Brian Wilson has done and you look at the legacy of The Beach Boys that still exists due to the high quality of product they issued in the sixties...combined with a tasteful and creative ad campaign by Capitol Records I believe there could be great interest from music fans in a new Beach Boys record in 2012.  

Will it be another "Pet Sounds"?  Probably not but I think it will be a success for the group just based upon the fact that there are still enough people out there (most of whom I've already spoke of) that have a deep affection for this group coupled with the renewed interest in the group in the past decade that a new Beach Boys record in 2012 would sell more than a few copies.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 09, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
Could be bad, could be good. Brian is certainly in better shape in terms of lead vocals than he has been in awhile -- TLOS, the Gershwin record and the Disney record all feature fine work. Mike, Bruce and Al can all still hit the notes in the studio too. So I would expect it to sound good vocally.

Reports that Brian was working with Joe Thomas again (and Eddie Bayers being involved backs this up too) make me a bit concerned for the backing tracks. And as for the material -- lots of covers of re-recordings would seem pretty blah.

But who knows? Let's see.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2011, 07:55:44 PM
Hoping Joe Thomas is only involved with the vocals because that was the only thing he did well on Imagination.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 09, 2011, 08:19:50 PM
With Smile getting released and a chance at some redemption, this reunion album would be just like the greatest hits compilation Capitol put out right after Pet Sounds. This sh*t never ends apparently, whether it's a label decision or self-imposed.

Well, I think (I hope) the difference with this is, TSS is a great big archival release of epic proportions & high interest, which in turn will spark interest in some people (even if it's not a majority) in hearing something new from the Boys.  That, I think, is an opportunity too great to pass up, for Capitol or the Boys (meaning, that's how they see it, even if some folks here would rather they not bother - yours truly not included!).

You really think that the Smile sessions from 1966/67 are going to spark interest in some people in Brian, Mike, Al, and Bruce doing something in 2011/12? Really?

Yes.  Among some people.  Otherwise I wouldn't have said it.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 09, 2011, 08:22:33 PM
Hoping Joe Thomas is only involved with the vocals because that was the only thing he did well on Imagination.

Drummer Eddie Bayers' involvement would seem to dash your hope. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
Hoping Joe Thomas is only involved with the vocals because that was the only thing he did well on Imagination.

Drummer Eddie Bayers' involvement would seem to dash your hope. 
Great, Imagination Vol. 2 featuring the Beach Boys....


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 09, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
So if you look at what Mark Linett has done, you look at what Brian Wilson has done and you look at the legacy of The Beach Boys that still exists due to the high quality of product they issued in the sixties...combined with a tasteful and creative ad campaign by Capitol Records I believe there could be great interest from music fans in a new Beach Boys record in 2012. 

Don't forget the happy in-store display piece! We're sure to sell a million copies, in January! ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
To what extent does Brian even produce or arrange anymore? The newer records have nice production, in that they sound professional, but they don't have interesting production.

It must really suck being so negative at everything.  I'll bet you tell your wife the sex is going to suck before dinner's even over.  I mean why even try, you're getting old.  LOL

Some people just strike me as losers. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 09, 2011, 09:00:31 PM
Hoping they use Soul Searchin for this album as Carl's proper Beach Boys swansong. I hope this album is going to be great... :)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 09, 2011, 09:07:28 PM
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the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Runaways on October 09, 2011, 09:08:49 PM
i feel like i can guarantee this'll be the best beach boys album since Love You.  that isn't saying much, but i really have no doubt about that.  and I'd MUCH prefer an album to seeing them on stage trying to sing together.  


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 09, 2011, 09:11:24 PM
I can only imagine the Mike Love song titles


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 09, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
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the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

:lol quote of the day!
______

If this new album has the production of BWRG I'll be happy. The guys have the potential to make a GREAT album here. But if this is a Summer In Paradise/Imagination clone, i'll be saddened.

I really like Imagination - but there's no hiding the cheesy production. the Beach Boys need to go out with a bang, not a laugh. If they pull this album off their reputation will grow even more. But if this is a half-hearted attempt at nostalgia* it may turn out bad for them. Time will tell.

*not counting Do It Again - that's a great choice for the album methinks.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on October 09, 2011, 09:35:19 PM
"Surf Yoga"
"Do it (Again)" feat. Snoop Dog
"Prius Party!!"
"Roller Derby Child"
 8)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 09, 2011, 09:36:57 PM
It must really suck being so negative at everything.  I'll bet you tell your wife the sex is going to suck before dinner's even over.  I mean why even try, you're getting old.  LOL Some people just strike me as losers. 

Good one.   :-D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2011, 09:43:28 PM
I think if you look at their recent stuff, there's no reason not to think this album is going to be good.  The last thing I heard from Mike was "Cool Head, Warm Heart" which was good, and would have been even better with a half-crazed Brian singing slightly too shrill in the background, and arranging those incredible vocals.  The last stuff I heard from Al Jardine was all pretty good, and the last things I've heard from Brian himself have been great in my opinion.  This is gonna rock!  It's completely possible for Brian Mike and Al to write tons of new music together, or seperately for this album, and if not... Brian's probably got literally hundreds of songs floating around that he's written in the past.  There's plenty of material for them to record. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 09, 2011, 09:45:23 PM
"Surf Yoga"
"Do it (Again)" feat. Snoop Dog
"Prius Party!!"
"Roller Derby Child"
 8)

 :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Chris Brown on October 09, 2011, 09:49:11 PM
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the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2011, 09:56:34 PM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 09, 2011, 09:57:57 PM
Hoping Joe Thomas is only involved with the vocals because that was the only thing he did well on Imagination.

Drummer Eddie Bayers' involvement would seem to dash your hope. 
Great, Imagination Vol. 2 featuring the Beach Boys....
Imagination was very much of its time. Popular music these days doesn't sound like that, it sounds more like Love You actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP6XpLQM2Cs&ob=av2n


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 09, 2011, 10:01:43 PM
You gotta have AT LEAST two tracks with Carl's voice on it. Soul Searchin' and Don't Fight The Sea have been mentioned for starters.  Even if they re-record a released track. Without 2-3 tracks of Carl's voice on there, it just wouldn't be a Beach Boys record to me. It would be Dennis' voice would be a big bonus. There's gotta be more in the can with Carl's and Dennis' voice on there. Dave's voice would be an added bonus for sure. But to release another Nascar-like CD without all their voices would be somewhat dismal.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2011, 10:36:39 PM
I've been thinking about this for the last hour, like I was saying earlier... imagine "Cool Head, Warm Heart" with Brian singing backup.  That would be great, in my opinion.  Even the wall of Brian.

I think the problem with the Wall of Brian is when Brian himself does the lead!  If he did the wall of Brian, and Mike Love did lead, that would probably work great. 

What would be even better, though, is if amazingly we got the chance to see.... or hear... some of MIKE'S band shine!  I'd LOVE to hear Christian Love on some stuff.  I always thought 'oh, he's probably half-assed since he's Mike's son or whoever" but then I saw them somewhere on t.v. singing "Kokomo" live, and he was singing Carl's parts.  He's actually, really, really good! 

So maybe not leads, but I'd really like to hear vocals by Brian and Mike's band do backup on some of these songs.  I'm not sure that would make for a good album if they swapped it out, but it's a bit offensive to me how Mike's band kind of gets no respect.  Sure Brian's band is better, but different songs in a perfect world could utilize different backup vocals. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Chris Brown on October 09, 2011, 10:42:50 PM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Nowhere in my post did I say (or even imply) that Brian and Mike teaming up was a bad thing.  If Brian brings some good melodies to the table and Mike rediscovers his 60's/early 70's lyrical skills, it certainly has the potential to be a great album.  I've said it before, I think that as a songwriting team, Brian and Mike still have a lot to say, and just might push each other to create songs that are truly worthy of a project of this weight.  I was merely saying that in terms of songwriting, I can't foresee the others being able to make any worthwhile contributions, thus why I don't think the "hodge-podge" approach is the best way to go (I make an exception for any song that could involve Dennis or Carl).


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Awesoman on October 09, 2011, 10:49:12 PM
Al was suspended from the band when Recording started for SIP, yet his vocals are one of the few highlights of the album. Who says it is necessary for everyone to be all kissy, kissy to make music.

But we're talkin' Summer In Paradise here.  That's kind of like saying writing your will is one of the few highlights of dying of a terminal disease.   


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 09, 2011, 11:15:47 PM
Hate to be a downer but again......The source is someone tweeting while taking a sh!t!

This person may not know the Beach Boys from the Beastie Boys. In to record comes Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and it 'is ' the Beach Boys suddenly.

To the insider who got upset about a subject earlier, now may be a good time to speak up.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 09, 2011, 11:20:56 PM
Could be, but he says "Listening to new Beach Boys WITH Brian Wilson"

So he's, in that 1 tweet, making a distinction between the Beach Boys, and Brian Wilson.  Also he put the capitol (LOL) letters in himself, which could mean that he's showing you that it's a Beach Boys song including Brian Wilson, or he could mean that he's listening to new Beach Boys music, and Brian Wilson is listening to it with him.

I think it's pretty obvious that the tweeter realizes that there's a difference between a Brian Wilson song and a Beach Boys song, or he would have said "Listening to new Brian Wilson song WITH Brian Wilson". 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 03:55:13 AM
Hoping Joe Thomas is only involved with the vocals because that was the only thing he did well on Imagination.


Brian was responsible for Imagination's vocals afaik.
BTW I never heard Joe Thomas was involved in any way. Where was that mentioned? IIRC he was let go of Brian's camp therefor I can't see him being back in what ever form.

The other point, yes TSS will get people interested in new product from the Beach Boys but only for a short time. Smile is probably the most famous album in rock history with such a big myth surrounding it. The papers will make a big story of it's release and it will sell quite some copies. If the Beach Boys get their asses up and make a good new album that's not on the SIP-nostalgia way that Mike preffered for a long time (but now doesn't seem that much interested in to my ears) but features good/great new pop songs, boy-girl (why not, it's THE theme for pop music ever since it started) maybe even some "It's not easy being me" stuff - that could do very well for them. Smile's release is a very big promotion for every other Beach Boys release that comes after it (and only "Beach Boys" - it will have no big effect on solo products).


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 10, 2011, 04:02:10 AM
Do not hype Soul Searchin'. Carl's is a rough lead, a working vocal, not a finished one. For years he refused to release Soulful ol' man sunshine for that very same reason: his lead was not up to his standard. As cool as it is, I wonder if Carl would have liked to release his Soul Searchin' vocal (which it was, btw, on GIOMH).

And could someone confirm where the Joe Thomas involvement information comes from?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 10, 2011, 04:45:16 AM
As cool as it is, I wonder if Carl would have liked to release his Soul Searchin' vocal (which it was, btw, on GIOMH).

The rough version of the Beach Boys version is so much better, albeit lacking some of the cool backup vocals of the 04 Brian version. It'd be cool to see it finished properly.

Hate to say this, but Carl's not really here to put his word in on these matters. Since his passing, these tracks you spoke of have been released. Obviously respect and care should be utilized if hey do reinvent something that he contributed to, but still. Carl sounds damn good on "Soul Seachin'" and "Soulful Old Man Sunshine", he's not gonna convince me otherwise.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 10, 2011, 05:09:21 AM
I don't trust tweeters. I'm a woofer man myself.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 10, 2011, 05:17:05 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time 
Come on........


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: desmondo on October 10, 2011, 05:20:34 AM
I don't think the tweet means anything much really - probably just the DIA re-recording.

I for one hope that there IS NOT a NEW Beach Boys album being released - it will be compromised creatively and will stain the legacy they already have.

Sorry to be negative





Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Runaways on October 10, 2011, 05:22:58 AM
Hate to be a downer but again......The source is someone tweeting while taking a sh!t!

This person may not know the Beach Boys from the Beastie Boys. In to record comes Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and it 'is ' the Beach Boys suddenly.

To the insider who got upset about a subject earlier, now may be a good time to speak up.

am i missing what the bathroom has to do with anything?  are you trying to say that cause he tweeted a picture of what the bathroom looks like at the studio (obviously showing the posters on the wall) that he has no credibility?  i mean he said he's listenign to the music with brian wilson and then posted a picture of him and brian wilson. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2011, 05:25:34 AM
Hoping Joe Thomas is only involved with the vocals because that was the only thing he did well on Imagination.


Brian was responsible for Imagination's vocals afaik.
BTW I never heard Joe Thomas was involved in any way. Where was that mentioned? IIRC he was let go of Brian's camp therefor I can't see him being back in what ever form.

The other point, yes TSS will get people interested in new product from the Beach Boys but only for a short time. Smile is probably the most famous album in rock history with such a big myth surrounding it. The papers will make a big story of it's release and it will sell quite some copies. If the Beach Boys get their asses up and make a good new album that's not on the SIP-nostalgia way that Mike preffered for a long time (but now doesn't seem that much interested in to my ears) but features good/great new pop songs, boy-girl (why not, it's THE theme for pop music ever since it started) maybe even some "It's not easy being me" stuff - that could do very well for them. Smile's release is a very big promotion for every other Beach Boys release that comes after it (and only "Beach Boys" - it will have no big effect on solo products).
Brian made up with Thomas apparently this summer  and Thomas' drummer Eddie Bayers, was commenting on playing recent reunion recordings in the recent rolling stone. :o


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MEConner on October 10, 2011, 06:45:14 AM

"Prius Party!!"

 8)

This has got to be the funniest thing I've heard all week.  The 2011 version of "PT Cruiser".... 

How about-
"Good Vi-ragra"
"401k"
"I Hoveround"
"Surf n' Turfer Girl"
"Convalescence (incorporating "Rest Home on the Range")"
"Add Some Muslix to Your Day"
"Catheter Crazy Cutie"
"Crotchety Love vs. Sedated Wilson"
"Custom Oxygen Machine"
"Endless Agony"
"H.O.S.P.I.C.E is on its Way"
"Help Me I've Fallen (and I Can Get Up)"
"I Went to Sleep/Forever" medley
"I've Become My Ol' Man"
"Hot Flashes in the Summertime"
"Livin' with a Heart Monitor"
"Passing On"


I need a hobby.....  :-[




Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 06:53:23 AM
Just remembered that "Dancin' the night away" is also still there with some Carl vocals. That "somewhere near Malibu"-part is breathtaking imo.

And again: can anyone explain where and what exactly Brian said about Joe Thomas ?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 10, 2011, 07:13:56 AM
Just remembered that "Dancin' the night away" is also still there with some Carl vocals. That "somewhere near Malibu"-part is breathtaking imo.

And again: can anyone explain where and what exactly Brian said about Joe Thomas ?

No only Carl vocals. It also has some killer guitar work from him


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2011, 08:15:11 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time 
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2011, 08:16:18 AM
"Co-write?  Did Picasso ever Co-Paint with anybody?"

- Roger Miller


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 08:17:21 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time 
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land. 

Lennon/McCartney, Gershwin/Gershwin/Heyward, Lieber/Stoller


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2011, 08:18:54 AM
I don't think the tweet means anything much really - probably just the DIA re-recording.

I for one hope that there IS NOT a NEW Beach Boys album being released - it will be compromised creatively and will stain the legacy they already have.

Sorry to be negative





Yeah, I agree.  I mean, what I HATE is when I go to the music store, and there's TOO MUCH MUSIC.  I hate it when they give me choices!  It's the same way with everything in life.  I hate when there's extra pretty women walking around.  I mean, when it enough enough.  If the Beach Boys record a new song, it will make my life worse somehow.  They might even play it on the radio, then that will be even MORE music that I might hear!  Hell, if it does good, they might even tour, and come to my town, and I'll have to not go out of my way to buy a ticket. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2011, 08:20:23 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time 
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land. 

Lennon/McCartney, Gershwin/Gershwin/Heyward, Lieber/Stoller

Exactly who I was thinking of.  Notice only two of them wrote Rock, so where's that put Wilson/Love?  Glad you agree with me!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 10, 2011, 08:22:00 AM
I don't think the tweet means anything much really - probably just the DIA re-recording.

I for one hope that there IS NOT a NEW Beach Boys album being released - it will be compromised creatively and will stain the legacy they already have.

Sorry to be negative

sup d00d, you heard anything these kids released in the 80s or 90s?

(yeah, a few songs are arguably decent. still. their legacy has been tarnished time and time again. too late for such a thing.)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 08:22:47 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens.  

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time  
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land.  

Lennon/McCartney, Gershwin/Gershwin/Heyward, Lieber/Stoller

Exactly who I was thinking of.  Notice only two of them wrote Rock, so where's that put Wilson/Love?  Glad you agree with me!

Best off adding Holland/Dozier/Holland as well. Whitfield/Strong, Goffin/King, Barry/Greenwich/Spector, Rodgers/Hammerstein, Rodgers/Hart...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 10, 2011, 08:23:37 AM
I don't think the tweet means anything much really - probably just the DIA re-recording.

Agreed.

I for one hope that there IS NOT a NEW Beach Boys album being released - it will be compromised creatively and will stain the legacy they already have.

Too late for that – they might as well have a crack at going out on a high.  You don't have to buy it…


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: LostArt on October 10, 2011, 08:27:45 AM
And again: can anyone explain where and what exactly Brian said about Joe Thomas ?

This:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110727/entlife/707279991/

And this:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110719/news/707199985/#ixzz1SaozGRcd



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 10, 2011, 08:34:47 AM
I decided whilst taking a shower, to DOUBLE DOWN on my comment.


Brian Wilson, and Mike Love, are the best songwriting team WALKING THE PLANET.

and Real Beach Boy, sorry the wannabes you mentioned don't make the cut.  Sorry.  I like them, but they're just not tall enough. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 10, 2011, 08:37:37 AM
And again: can anyone explain where and what exactly Brian said about Joe Thomas ?

This:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110727/entlife/707279991/

And this:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110719/news/707199985/#ixzz1SaozGRcd



Maybe it was just because I was skimming through the articles trying to find whatever Brian said, but I couldn't really find anything. Couldn't even find the name "Joe Thomas" in the first article. Am I really so stupid?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: desmondo on October 10, 2011, 08:46:21 AM
I don't think the tweet means anything much really - probably just the DIA re-recording.

I for one hope that there IS NOT a NEW Beach Boys album being released - it will be compromised creatively and will stain the legacy they already have.

Sorry to be negative

sup d00d, you heard anything these kids released in the 80s or 90s?

(yeah, a few songs are arguably decent. still. their legacy has been tarnished time and time again. too late for such a thing.)

Yep I have heard just about everything they have released and most of the later stuff is poor - their voices are not as good as they were and unless there is a overall producer and writer (BW) all we will get is a watered down compromise - two stars at the most


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 10, 2011, 08:52:19 AM
"Surf Yoga"
"Do it (Again)" feat. Snoop Dog
"Prius Party!!"
"Roller Derby Child"
 8)
Prius Party-Genius, man.LOL. Don't forget Meditation Mama or Chrome Dome Mantra. :p


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 08:54:43 AM
And again: can anyone explain where and what exactly Brian said about Joe Thomas ?

This:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110727/entlife/707279991/

And this:
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20110719/news/707199985/#ixzz1SaozGRcd



Maybe it was just because I was skimming through the articles trying to find whatever Brian said, but I couldn't really find anything. Couldn't even find the name "Joe Thomas" in the first article. Am I really so stupid?



Try the second link. It says that they are friends again and may even work together again. It doesn't say that they did, though.
We know that Brian recorded 5 songs in Chicago when he was playing there. But I don't think it  necessarily means they are working together. Maybe Brian just needed some demos for a new album and took the chance to record them there so he doesn't have to travel to another place in a short time. We'll have to wait I guess.


Songwriter debate:

Leiber & Stoller imo are the greatest Rock-/Pop-songwriting duo ever. The Gershwins are fantastic as well (I know, they're not rock). I would put them eye to eye. Lennon/McCartney wrote some great stuff but afaik many of it were solo efforts that only fell under the two name practice (Yesterday is a very famous example for that). Wilson/Love did many great things, we know that. But all in all I guess the music is many times much better than the words. No matter how much I love some of Mike's words, but his lyrics don't stand up to the music/composition. Of course there are exceptions

@LostArt: Thanks for the link !


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 10, 2011, 08:54:54 AM
Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams. 

Are you mad?

The song, in it's present form can be dated back to at least Elizabethan times. That is to say a verse/chorus structure.

And I was being sarcastic about Lennon/McCartney.

It's time for the baby-boomers version of popular history to end. There was life before the 60's.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 10, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Shut up, you guys.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 10, 2011, 09:07:31 AM
Shut up, you guys.

If you don't like the topic, ignore it. Don't you dare tell me to shut up.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 10, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
Shut up, you guys.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Madcap on October 10, 2011, 09:17:47 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens.  

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time  
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land.  

Lennon/McCartney, Gershwin/Gershwin/Heyward, Lieber/Stoller

Exactly who I was thinking of.  Notice only two of them wrote Rock, so where's that put Wilson/Love?  Glad you agree with me!

Best off adding Holland/Dozier/Holland as well. Whitfield/Strong, Goffin/King, Barry/Greenwich/Spector, Rodgers/Hammerstein, Rodgers/Hart...

I doubt any of you would agree with me, but I'm gonna go ahead and add Strummer/Jones to the list. The London Calling album alone warrants it in my opinion.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Madcap on October 10, 2011, 09:25:55 AM
And on the topic of a new Beach Boys album, I'd say that on a scale of 1-5, with Pet Sounds being a 5 and Summer In Paradise being a 1, a new album would probably be about a 3.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2011, 09:43:17 AM
Hoping for a reunion album that BW can take charge one last time like the old days and put out a decent album that we all know the Beach Boys can do. :)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 10, 2011, 09:44:40 AM
Al was suspended from the band when Recording started for SIP, yet his vocals are one of the few highlights of the album. Who says it is necessary for everyone to be all kissy, kissy to make music.

But we're talkin' Summer In Paradise here.  That's kind of like saying writing your will is one of the few highlights of dying of a terminal disease.  
Did you even read what I was getting at? The point was that they do not have to get along to sing well together. I only brought up SIP because Al was on the outs at the time, yet provided some very good vocals on some mediocre songs.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2011, 09:48:18 AM
Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams. 

Are you mad?

The song, in it's present form can be dated back to at least Elizabethan times. That is to say a verse/chorus structure.

And I was being sarcastic about Lennon/McCartney.

It's time for the baby-boomers version of popular history to end. There was life before the 60's.
Well said, there was great music and culture way before the counterculture. Thats why American Graffiti was such a hit, it was a bittersweet portrait of American before the overrated events in the late 1960s happened. Screw woodstock or monteray, give me the TAMI show anyday with the Beach Boys rocking in their prime.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 10, 2011, 09:49:08 AM
I don't trust tweeters. I'm a woofer man myself.

A woofer in tweeter's clothing.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 10, 2011, 09:53:45 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time 
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land. 

Lennon/McCartney, Gershwin/Gershwin/Heyward, Lieber/Stoller

Exactly who I was thinking of.  Notice only two of them wrote Rock, so where's that put Wilson/Love?  Glad you agree with me!

Jagger/Richards, John/Taupin, Page/Plant.....  The list goes on.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 10:24:37 AM
Quote
the whole "everybody brings a few of their best songs" approach doesn't particularly appeal to me.
It's been the approach from 20/20 onwards :lol

Point taken, and that was all well and good all members were alive, but this time around there's no Carl or Dennis to contribute good material (the latter especially), and I don't think I've heard Al or Bruce put out any decent original material in quite awhile.  So who does that leave...

If you want a good self-contained Beach Boys album with the best quality songwriting, I really think that Mike and Brian are the only legitimate shot we've got.

So, in other words, it's business as usual?  Oh that really sucks!  You mean all we have left is maybe the second or third best songwriting team of all time?  Damn I hate it when that happens. 

Second or third best of all time. You're not serious! I'd love to know what your first two are. Let me guess, Lennon and McCartney at number one. Of course!! Because musical history only began 50 years ago didn't it? Don't make ridiculous statements like this. I mean, I love Brian Wilson, and he is fantastic within his genre, but of all time 
Come on........

Of course musical history began 50 years ago, for songwritin teams.  I guess you could count Liszt and his wife but they didn't really write lyrics, eh?  Name 3 songwriting teams better than Wilson/Love.  I saw you named 1, it gets harder from there, huh?  Here's a clue: You're immediately off into musical land. 

Lennon/McCartney, Gershwin/Gershwin/Heyward, Lieber/Stoller

Exactly who I was thinking of.  Notice only two of them wrote Rock, so where's that put Wilson/Love?  Glad you agree with me!

Jagger/Richards, John/Taupin, Page/Plant.....  The list goes on.

Agree on the first two, however...the third? Really? Maybe if it was Page/Plant stealing obscure blues melodies and lyrics, sure.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 10, 2011, 10:25:58 AM
Are all of you guys saying you like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, and George Gershwin more than you like the Beach Boys?!

If you ask me, the only songwriting teams that stand up to Wilson/Love are Wilson/Asher, Wilson/Parks, and Wilson/Landy/Morgan (that last one's a joke).


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 10, 2011, 10:27:47 AM
Are all of you guys saying you like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, and George Gershwin more than you like the Beach Boys?!

If you ask me, the only songwriting teams that stand up to Wilson/Love are Wilson/Asher, Wilson/Parks, and Wilson/Landy/Morgan (that last one's a joke).

I agree..

The cream of the crop right there


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 10, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
To tell the truth, I haven't cared much for Led Zep for many years now but no doubt many still hold them in high regard.  


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 10:32:52 AM
Are all of you guys saying you like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, and George Gershwin more than you like the Beach Boys?!

If you ask me, the only songwriting teams that stand up to Wilson/Love are Wilson/Asher, Wilson/Parks, and Wilson/Landy/Morgan (that last one's a joke).

The Beach Boys are my favorite band, but it's a situation where the whole is more than the parts. I've had a much more fruitful listening experience with the Beach Boys than any other group. I've always found the Stones and Zeppelin incredibly overrated but I still enjoy them a lot. Elvis is easily the most underrated talent on your list.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
Are all of you guys saying you like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, and George Gershwin more than you like the Beach Boys?!

If you ask me, the only songwriting teams that stand up to Wilson/Love are Wilson/Asher, Wilson/Parks, and Wilson/Landy/Morgan (that last one's a joke).



Why mention Elvis ? Though he did make the songs his own, he didn't write any (except one, maybe two). You are not as blind to reduce Leiber&Stoller to just those ca. 20 songs they wrote for Elvis or that were covered by him, are you ? You have to know about their work if you want to discuss popular music of the 20th century. They might be the most important non-performers. That means songwritin, production, arranging, etc.



Quote
Elvis is easily the most underrated talent on your list.


Sorry, this isn't meant personal, but that quote might be one of the more dumb statements I've heard on this board in a long time (as long as it's on topic). Again, not personally meant


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 10:38:39 AM
Quote
Elvis is easily the most underrated talent on your list.

Sorry, this isn't meant personal, but that quote might be one of the more dumb statements I've heard on this board in a long time (as long as it's on topic). Again, not personally meant

I was referring in terms to the total package, not Elvis the SONGWRITER.  :lol

You and I both know that Elvis was not a songwriter.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 10, 2011, 10:53:20 AM
Are all of you guys saying you like the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, and George Gershwin more than you like the Beach Boys?!

If you ask me, the only songwriting teams that stand up to Wilson/Love are Wilson/Asher, Wilson/Parks, and Wilson/Landy/Morgan (that last one's a joke).



Why mention Elvis ? Though he did make the songs his own, he didn't write any (except one, maybe two). You are not as blind to reduce Leiber&Stoller to just those ca. 20 songs they wrote for Elvis or that were covered by him, are you ? You have to know about their work if you want to discuss popular music of the 20th century. They might be the most important non-performers. That means songwritin, production, arranging, etc.

Right, right, I know they did more than Elvis, it just fit in with what I was doing by taking the songwriting teams people mentioned and attaching an artist to them. It was the one I was the least confident about doing so with though.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 10:56:13 AM
You're better off lumping Lieber/Stoller in with R&B and blues artists, not Elvis. They were never into rock 'n roll. They were just two guys who wanted to write some good R&B.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 10, 2011, 10:58:28 AM
yeah, originally I wrote "the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, classic rhythm and blues, and George Gershwin", but that just didn't look right.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 10, 2011, 11:02:15 AM
yeah, originally I wrote "the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, classic rhythm and blues, and George Gershwin", but that just didn't look right.

One day the whole of human civilisation will be gone, and our greatest achievements with it. It's all meaningless. It's all pointless.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 11:03:59 AM
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Elvis is easily the most underrated talent on your list.

Sorry, this isn't meant personal, but that quote might be one of the more dumb statements I've heard on this board in a long time (as long as it's on topic). Again, not personally meant

I was referring in terms to the total package, not Elvis the SONGWRITER.  :lol

You and I both know that Elvis was not a songwriter.


I know what you meant. Won't change my post.



Re: Leiber & Stoller
Although they started with R'n'B and it was their first love, there's so much more to them than that. It's the same as with Elvis, you just can't reduce them to that one genre.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 11:08:06 AM
I was referring in terms to the total package, not Elvis the SONGWRITER.  :lol

You and I both know that Elvis was not a songwriter.


I know what you meant. Won't change my post.

Then please explain what's dumb about the statement.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 10, 2011, 11:10:41 AM
yeah, originally I wrote "the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, classic rhythm and blues, and George Gershwin", but that just didn't look right.

One day the whole of human civilisation will be gone, and our greatest achievements with it. It's all meaningless. It's all pointless.
You can apply that logic to anything, so in order to go through life we have to ignore that truth.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 10, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
yeah, originally I wrote "the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, classic rhythm and blues, and George Gershwin", but that just didn't look right.

One day the whole of human civilisation will be gone, and our greatest achievements with it. It's all meaningless. It's all pointless.

Y're right… can I have your SMiLE box please?  ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 10, 2011, 11:26:35 AM

One day the whole of human civilisation will be gone, and our greatest achievements with it. It's all meaningless. It's all pointless.

And?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 12:02:29 PM
I was referring in terms to the total package, not Elvis the SONGWRITER.  :lol

You and I both know that Elvis was not a songwriter.


I know what you meant. Won't change my post.

Then please explain what's dumb about the statement.


Well, if you knew about Presley's work, his way of taking a song, producing it, singing it, making it come alive, his sheer talent (to keep that expression) you wouldn't have said that. In fact, I was at your side if you were talking about him as a songwriter, because he wasn't one (those 1 1/2 songs he did co-write don't count imo). But talking about the overall musical package there are not many people who come close to that guy.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Empire Of Love on October 10, 2011, 12:06:53 PM
yeah, originally I wrote "the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Elton John, Led Zeppelin, classic rhythm and blues, and George Gershwin", but that just didn't look right.

One day the whole of human civilisation will be gone, and our greatest achievements with it. It's all meaningless. It's all pointless.

"It's all meaningless. It's all pointless."

Sort of a self-refuting statement, isn't it?  If it has meaning it proves itself false, but if it doesn't have meaning, well, you see the problem with that, don't you?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 10, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
I was referring in terms to the total package, not Elvis the SONGWRITER.  :lol

You and I both know that Elvis was not a songwriter.


I know what you meant. Won't change my post.

Then please explain what's dumb about the statement.


Well, if you knew about Presley's work, his way of taking a song, producing it, singing it, making it come alive, his sheer talent (to keep that expression) you wouldn't have said that. In fact, I was at your side if you were talking about him as a songwriter, because he wasn't one (those 1 1/2 songs he did co-write don't count imo). But talking about the overall musical package there are not many people who come close to that guy.

I'm in agreement on all counts. When I said he was underrated I never implied he wasn't talented. I remarked that he was underrated compared to the other talents on Aegir's list (most of which I do find overrated). Not many people appreciate his abilities with regards to making a song his own. He deserves more credit than he gets. I am a huge Elvis fan.

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underrated (comparative more underrated, superlative most underrated)

    Not given enough recognition for its quality

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overrated (comparative more overrated, superlative most overrated)

    Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field; not necessarily related to popularity.

I'd suggest working on your English because I think that you misunderstood "underrated" as "overrated".


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Awesoman on October 10, 2011, 12:19:21 PM
Al was suspended from the band when Recording started for SIP, yet his vocals are one of the few highlights of the album. Who says it is necessary for everyone to be all kissy, kissy to make music.

But we're talkin' Summer In Paradise here.  That's kind of like saying writing your will is one of the few highlights of dying of a terminal disease.  
Did you even read what I was getting at? The point was that they do not have to get along to sing well together. I only brought up SIP because Al was on the outs at the time, yet provided some very good vocals on some mediocre songs.

Oh, I read your post, Doc.  But using the Beach Boys' worst album ever recorded as an example kinda kills your argument.  Nothing good came out of that album.  In fact, if global warming really exists, I'm pretty sure this album contributed to it.  


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 10, 2011, 12:24:50 PM
Al was suspended from the band when Recording started for SIP, yet his vocals are one of the few highlights of the album. Who says it is necessary for everyone to be all kissy, kissy to make music.
Again, the worst album thing has nothing to do with my post. It had to do with singing and getting along. Forget I even posted.

But we're talkin' Summer In Paradise here.  That's kind of like saying writing your will is one of the few highlights of dying of a terminal disease.   
Did you even read what I was getting at? The point was that they do not have to get along to sing well together. I only brought up SIP because Al was on the outs at the time, yet provided some very good vocals on some mediocre songs.

Oh, I read your post, Doc.  But using the Beach Boys' worst album ever recorded as an example kinda kills your argument.  Nothing good came out of that album.  In fact, if global warming really exists, I'm pretty sure this album contributed to it. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 12:35:36 PM
I was referring in terms to the total package, not Elvis the SONGWRITER.  :lol

You and I both know that Elvis was not a songwriter.


I know what you meant. Won't change my post.

Then please explain what's dumb about the statement.


Well, if you knew about Presley's work, his way of taking a song, producing it, singing it, making it come alive, his sheer talent (to keep that expression) you wouldn't have said that. In fact, I was at your side if you were talking about him as a songwriter, because he wasn't one (those 1 1/2 songs he did co-write don't count imo). But talking about the overall musical package there are not many people who come close to that guy.

I'm in agreement on all counts. When I said he was underrated I never implied he wasn't talented. I remarked that he was underrated compared to the other talents on Aegir's list (most of which I do find overrated). Not many people appreciate his abilities with regards to making a song his own. He deserves more credit than he gets. I am a huge Elvis fan.

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underrated (comparative more underrated, superlative most underrated)

    Not given enough recognition for its quality

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overrated (comparative more overrated, superlative most overrated)

    Given an undue amount of credit for quality or merit in a field; not necessarily related to popularity.

I'd suggest working on your English because I think that you misunderstood "underrated" as "overrated".



Good God, I must apologize a hundred times. I mis-read your post. I'm very sorry. I'd read untalented. Not enough sleep the last days I guess.... embarassing...  :-[


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: donald on October 10, 2011, 12:49:20 PM
While Elvis is on the table as a sub topic;

Any of you ever see that Elvis and Nixon mocumentary that was made back in the 90's?   It is running on premium cable somewhere right now (in the states) and I saw it just the other day for the 1st time.   Its a real hoot, a lot of fun.  Catch it if you can.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Sound of Free on October 10, 2011, 12:59:36 PM
Getting back on topic – what a thought  :) – I think it HAS to have Carl and Dennis on it. Could this FINALLY be the time that "Wouldn't it Be Nice To Libve Again" sees the light of day?

After the POB reissue and the inclusion of "Fallin' in Love" on the last BB comp, it seems like they could still ride the Dennis wave and put out this track that everyone says is a killer.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: STE on October 10, 2011, 01:13:32 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/RadioVendetta

Check the September 29th tweets.
Seems like the 'an unavoidable studio situation in Los Angeles' Brian was referring to, and the reason that some dates were cancelled has an answer.

Bathroom at oceanway studios in LA. Listening to new Beach Boys WITH Brian Wilson.

Ocean Way studios with Brian Wilson. New record is AMAZING. Beach Boys wrote the book.




I understood it as "Listening to (a) new Beach Boys (recording) WITH Brian Wilson (on the recording).", meaning the new Do It Again.








Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Awesoman on October 10, 2011, 01:51:30 PM
Ok I'm open to compromise here:

While I stick my nose up at a new album of new material, if they were to put out another release similar to that of Endless Harmony and Hawthorne, CA and include a few new tracks on it (similar to "Loop de Loop"), I could get on board with that.  A release like this fleshed out in box set format would be the perfect way to celebrate their 50th. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 10, 2011, 02:33:39 PM
Getting back on topic – what a thought  :) – I think it HAS to have Carl and Dennis on it. Could this FINALLY be the time that "Wouldn't it Be Nice To Libve Again" sees the light of day?

After the POB reissue and the inclusion of "Fallin' in Love" on the last BB comp, it seems like they could still ride the Dennis wave and put out this track that everyone says is a killer.

They could use the 1996 sessions with Carl, of course. But keep in mind that he walked out of them


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 02:55:21 PM
http://twitter.com/#!/RadioVendetta

Check the September 29th tweets.
Seems like the 'an unavoidable studio situation in Los Angeles' Brian was referring to, and the reason that some dates were cancelled has an answer.

Bathroom at oceanway studios in LA. Listening to new Beach Boys WITH Brian Wilson.

Ocean Way studios with Brian Wilson. New record is AMAZING. Beach Boys wrote the book.




I understood it as "Listening to (a) new Beach Boys (recording) WITH Brian Wilson (on the recording).", meaning the new Do It Again.






But since there was a picture of him with Brian (probably in the studio) it could also mean WITH Brian. Of course, maybe that picture was taken at another occasion.





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I think it HAS to have Carl and Dennis on it. Could this FINALLY be the time that "Wouldn't it Be Nice To Libve Again" sees the light of day?

After the POB reissue and the inclusion of "Fallin' in Love" on the last BB comp, it seems like they could still ride the Dennis wave and put out this track that everyone says is a killer.


I'd love to have some vintage recordings of Dennis and Carl on there too. I think in Carl's case it's not that hard, because he was recording 'til at least '96 and there are a few songs that were mentioned that have his voice on it.
Stuff with Carl that we know of:

Soul Searchin' (released but I don't think anyone would've a problem with a pure Beach Boys version)
You're still a mystery
Dancin' the night away
Don't fight the sea (released on Al's album but also as a Beach Boys-single....kinda)
Waves of love



Thanks to Christian for this:


Larry Dvoskin: "In early 90's when Carl Wilson was still alive, there was exploration into reuniting the group & Brian and recording a new album with producer Don Was.
I went to Al's glorious ranch and we wrote and demo'd a bunch of songs="Waves Of Love", "Good Good Feelings", "Wish", "Jennifer Clover" (named after Al's cow and co-written with his wonderful wife- Mary Ann Jardine).
At that time- Al's eldest son "Matt Jardine" was touring with the band replacing Brian Wilson's voice by singing all those really high falsetto notes.
So Al, Matt, Carl Wilson, and maybe Bruce I recall- at one point recorded a bunch of songs...which are unreleased yet, but are really high quality songs."


So Carl might as well be on the other three songs mentioned here. I don't know how much recording Carl did on his own but maybe there are things. I heard he wanted his "Run don't walk" for the Beach Boys album but then recorded it with Beckley-Lamm for the "Like a brother" album (not sure about that though). New backing vocals for "I wish for you" to Carl's lead would be very emotional but the idea to take the released material and re-work it doesn't click that well with me mostly.

Dennis would be harder I guess. They probably could use one of his songs. Mike did 10,000 years ago for his album and he co-wroe that with Dennis iirc. But I don't think a finished recording like "Wouldn't it ....." would work well. You'd have one track from the 70s and the rest new or newly recorded material. That wouldn't sound coherent. I don't know what's in the vaults but if they use one of Dennis' tunes with his voice, it should be something they can add backing vocals to. Unfortunately "I've gt a friend" has no leadvocals afaik. Would be great if Dennis could shine with such a great song. Maybe it would even inspire Brian and the guys to work harder so their material doesn't sink in comparison.


Lord, there's so much potential that I'm really afraid now that it'll turn out to be Stars&Stripes just without guests.


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They could use the 1996 sessions with Carl, of course. But keep in mind that he walked out of them


Yes, but was it because he didn't like the material or because of something else ?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: roll plymouth rock on October 10, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
I've been exchanging some DM's with this guy on twitter and I'm happy to announce that these sessions were for some work on the long awaited Stars & Stripes Vol. 2  :o


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 03:11:48 PM
I've been exchanging some DM's with this guy on twitter and I'm happy to announce that these sessions were for some work on the long awaited Stars & Stripes Vol. 2  :o



Now, don't be so rude. I almost threw up. Nobody waited for it and nobody ever will


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
I've been exchanging some DM's with this guy on twitter and I'm happy to announce that these sessions were for some work on the long awaited Stars & Stripes Vol. 2  :o
What???, this cannot be true. I will go crazy like 1974-1975 Brian Wilson if this is true. I better get my bathrobe out of the closet and change my profile name back to Briansbathrobe. ???


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 10, 2011, 03:19:23 PM
I've been exchanging some DM's with this guy on twitter and I'm happy to announce that these sessions were for some work on the long awaited Stars & Stripes Vol. 2  :o
What???, this cannot be true. I will go crazy like 1974-1975 Brian Wilson if this is true. I better get my bathrobe out of the closet and change my profile name back to Briansbathrobe. ???



I think Roll Plymouth Rock was just trying to put us on. Brian wrote new songs that Mike has heard (he talked about them, so he must've heard them). Brian recorded stuff. They couldn't get enough guests in such a short while to record with them.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 10, 2011, 03:29:17 PM
I've been exchanging some DM's with this guy on twitter and I'm happy to announce that these sessions were for some work on the long awaited Stars & Stripes Vol. 2  :o
What???, this cannot be true. I will go crazy like 1974-1975 Brian Wilson if this is true. I better get my bathrobe out of the closet and change my profile name back to Briansbathrobe. ???



I think Roll Plymouth Rock was just trying to put us on. Brian wrote new songs that Mike has heard (he talked about them, so he must've heard them). Brian recorded stuff. They couldn't get enough guests in such a short while to record with them.
Your right, kinda overreacted to the sheer thought of another beach boys country album :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: joshferrell on October 10, 2011, 03:30:08 PM
I've been exchanging some DM's with this guy on twitter and I'm happy to announce that these sessions were for some work on the long awaited Stars & Stripes Vol. 2  :o
nah that's not true....they went in to finish Mikes unreleased masterpiece "Country Love".. ;D ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wylson on October 10, 2011, 03:39:29 PM
personally I can do without Carl/Dennis cameos. I think their presence can be felt without digging out old vocals, which to me just add a twinge of sadness. i dont think its necessary and i dont think it would turn out well. Dennis has been dead 28 years, Carl 13 years - to be turning up on a new Beach Boys album just feels wrong to me, although i understand the sentiment.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: stack-o-tracks on October 10, 2011, 03:58:58 PM
I hope none of the songs are in the same vein as Its OK. Imagine 85 year old Mike Love singing about how fun is in. I shudder


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 10, 2011, 04:22:54 PM
I think he's closer to 70.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 10, 2011, 04:29:41 PM
To have an idea of the vocal blend these guys could produce, listen to Long Tall Texan from S&S. It's the guys minus Carl with Matt Jardine. Not bad, I think.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: hypehat on October 10, 2011, 05:13:36 PM
Call me romantic, but it'd be nice if the guys could put one last quality album out. It'd be a sheer publicity grab however it ends up, but even if it's recordings of old 80's Brian or Paley tunes it'd be a success, considering what the group have done to themselves.

Even Brian distancing himself from the group is a negative thing, reinforcing the 'Brian is God' dynamic that is poisonous to the BB's critical standing.



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 10, 2011, 08:21:59 PM
Call me romantic, but it'd be nice if the guys could put one last quality album out. It'd be a sheer publicity grab however it ends up, but even if it's recordings of old 80's Brian or Paley tunes it'd be a success, considering what the group have done to themselves.

Even Brian distancing himself from the group is a negative thing, reinforcing the 'Brian is God' dynamic that is poisonous to the BB's critical standing.


"Critical standing"?What critical standing? Poisonous? So the guy wants to have a solo career, big whoop. Beats hangin' with Myke singing the oldies every night. These guys are into their 5th decade already-don't think it's gonna be a big deal either way. Their story is now etched in stone and one last album isn't going to make or break it.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 10, 2011, 09:59:47 PM
So the guy wants to have a solo career, big whoop. Beats hangin' with Myke singing the oldies every night.

So instead he's hanging with Darian and Jeff and singing the oldies every night.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jimmie_R on October 11, 2011, 04:28:36 AM
It would be cool with a new BB album as long as Terry Melcher doesn´t produce! They should get some one like Rick Rubin to do it.
He made Johnny Cash´s albums sound fantastic to both an ageing and new audience!

Since Terry Melcher died in 2004 I don't think you have much to worry about.

Oh oups! I actually didn´t know that.. sorry  :-\


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 11, 2011, 05:51:20 AM
So the guy wants to have a solo career, big whoop. Beats hangin' with Myke singing the oldies every night.

So instead he's hanging with Darian and Jeff and singing the oldies every night.
Maybe it was just me, but the last few times I saw him he was throwing in some things from his newer releases up to and including BWRG. ;)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: acedecade75 on October 11, 2011, 05:55:32 AM
So the guy wants to have a solo career, big whoop. Beats hangin' with Myke singing the oldies every night.

So instead he's hanging with Darian and Jeff and singing the oldies every night.

I think a lot of the time he's hanging with Darian and Jeff and letting JEFF sing the oldies every night. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: phirnis on October 11, 2011, 06:31:33 AM
Rick Rubin would probably make the group sound too self-serious. Or maybe he'd make them sound like Slayer, who knows.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jason on October 11, 2011, 06:39:47 AM
Rick Rubin would most likely challenge them a bit. Just like he did with Johnny Cash and Neil Diamond.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MJP on October 11, 2011, 07:15:25 AM
There is one recent Brian Wilson song that was made for The Beach Boys.  Despite being released by Brian; The Beach Boys should record and release "Desert Drive".  They should simply use the backing track with Mike adding his lead vocal and the rest of the group supplying background vocals.

It would be absolutely fantastic.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Austin on October 11, 2011, 07:33:16 AM
Personally, I would be much more interested in seeing an album of completely-new recordings, even if the songs themselves were not new, than a mishmash of recordings taken over the last twenty or thirty years. I think older, flown-in, overdubbed, or otherwise multi-decade recordings need to be relegated to a respectfully-done archival release.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: donald on October 11, 2011, 07:49:59 AM
There is one recent Brian Wilson song that was made for The Beach Boys.  Despite being released by Brian; The Beach Boys should record and release "Desert Drive".  They should simply use the backing track with Mike adding his lead vocal and the rest of the group supplying background vocals.

It would be absolutely fantastic.

Desert Drive would be a good one for the group to cover.  Also, this one was especially good live when the BW Band did it.  It has more raw  punch, along the lines of Do It Again performed live.  Mike and Brian could trade lead lines. 

Regardless of the outcome on a new release, this thread clearly shows the possibilities of putting together an enjoyable 50th anniv. release.   


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 08:06:09 AM
Have Brian write some tunes like 'What Love Can Do', 'Good Kind Of Love', add in an instrumental or two (Something like 'In My Moondreams' perhaps). Record the album Wall-of-Sound style, master it in mono, and people WILL know this is the Beach Boys.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Heartical Don on October 11, 2011, 08:07:13 AM
'Flown in' has become sort of a catchphrase around here. It's contagious. I feel flown in. Early this morning I was flown in. Whilst working on a text, all sorts of ideas were flown into my head. Tonight I'll be flown into sleep. But only after a good dinner has been flown into my mouth.

Help!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2011, 08:08:41 AM
Have Brian write some tunes like 'What Love Can Do', 'Good Kind Of Love', add in an instrumental or two (Something like 'In My Moondreams' perhaps). Record the album Wall-of-Sound style, master it in mono, and people WILL know this is the Beach Boys.
Heck get Hal Blaine and Carol Kaye in there with what remains of the now elderly wrecking crew for the wall of sound. :afro


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 08:12:28 AM
:rock

Indeed! Imagine Hal Blaine rockin' out California Girls style! I wonder if this is at all possible....


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 08:13:11 AM
To be honest I'd much rather have them NOT use Denny or Carl vocals unless they can truly come up with some really cool way to do it.  Just to hear a new version, with hacked in vocals from "soul searchin' or 'desert drive' which have already been booted, plus already been released by Brian?  I'd much, much, much rather here new material without Carl or Dennis.  They're gone, let them be gone.

Much more tasteful, I think, would be a song about Carl or Dennis, or both.  Maybe you could write a tasteful, sad but upbeat song about them and have it fade into some studio chatter from them or something from an interview, or something.  Soul Searchin' and Desert Drive aren't really even all that good.  


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 08:21:28 AM
To be honest I'd much rather have them NOT use Denny or Carl vocals unless they can truly come up with some really cool way to do it.  Just to hear a new version, with hacked in vocals from "soul searchin' or 'desert drive' which have already been booted, plus already been released by Brian?  I'd much, much, much rather here new material without Carl or Dennis.  They're gone, let them be gone.

Much more tasteful, I think, would be a song about Carl or Dennis, or both.  Maybe you could write a tasteful, sad but upbeat song about them and have it fade into some studio chatter from them or something from an interview, or something.  Soul Searchin' and Desert Drive aren't really even all that good.  


Agree 100%. And honestly, I didn't like 'Don't Fight The Sea' all that much either. They have the potential to make a GREAT album here - using mediocre songs just because they have vintage Dennis/Carl vocals on them will not make for a great album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 08:22:35 AM
Wanted to add, too: of course everybody points at Real Love and Free As A Bird, those were great songs but the only reason they worked was 1. they were really well written, and 2. JOHN SOUNDED DEAD on the demos!  If you listen to those songs, John comes into the song sounding like a voice from beyond the grave.



Anybody in a big hurry to hear Carl like that?  I know I'm not.  Otherwise, you have "Soul Searchin" which Brian already did and I'm not too fond of.  


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jimmie_R on October 11, 2011, 08:32:42 AM
There is one recent Brian Wilson song that was made for The Beach Boys.  Despite being released by Brian; The Beach Boys should record and release "Desert Drive".  They should simply use the backing track with Mike adding his lead vocal and the rest of the group supplying background vocals.

It would be absolutely fantastic.

yeah! First time I heard that one it made me think of early 60s BB.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 08:45:03 AM
I thought Free As A Bird and Real Love were both very well done, in spite of the fact that they used John's demos which weren't quite sonically equal to the new over-dubbed vocals. In fact, that's exactly what I was thinking about when I proposed that they take existing tracks with Carl's and/or Dennis' vocals and make one or two 'new' Beach Boys recordings. It could work well, as it did for the two Beatles Anthology tracks. By the way, The Beatles did one more that wasn't used, I believe.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MJP on October 11, 2011, 09:05:09 AM
I've loved Real Love from the minute I heard it at the end of episode 2 of Anthology.  Even more so now.  Go to Youtube and you'll hear a version with a slightly lower pitch more in line with John's voice. 

That said, can you imagine Nothing But Love with BB's vocals?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Quzi on October 11, 2011, 09:06:13 AM
Am I the only one here who's not a fan of Rick Rubin  ???


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 11, 2011, 09:18:45 AM
With all this talk of new recordings going on, do The Beach Boys have a recording contract yet to release a new album?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: doc smiley on October 11, 2011, 09:52:04 AM
dread that statement "trade leads".....

worst part of BB's sound since the late 70's was the trading of leads on almost every song...
how about this for a pleasant change... a lead vocalist ( one per song) and excellent backing vocals

 :-D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 11, 2011, 10:14:59 AM
I like trading leads, not to the extreme of something like Somewhere Near Japan (which is a good song, don't get me wrong), but something like Santa Ana Winds where Al sings most of the verse and then Mike sings the last line, group chorus, Carl sings response vocals in the last chorus... that's what elevated that song from good to great in my opinion. I got into the Beach Boys because I love the fact that they all sing, everyone has a line, and for me that's what's really lacking in Brian's solo career.

And speaking of Brian's solo career, why are you all suggesting GIOMH rerecords? I thought everyone hated that album! (although this fits into my theory that Brian solo songs + Beach Boy vocals = gold. but I still think they should have new songs, songs we've never heard before.)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Runaways on October 11, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
i'm big on the trade leads post pet sounds.  i dig it


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: hypehat on October 11, 2011, 10:33:50 AM
And speaking of Brian's solo career, why are you all suggesting GIOMH rerecords? I thought everyone hated that album! (although this fits into my theory that Brian solo songs + Beach Boy vocals = gold. but I still think they should have new songs, songs we've never heard before.)

I don't get it either - Not only is the album rubbish, but it'd look awful to re-record songs that have already been released on a BW solo album. By all means they should go for Paley session tunes if they're looking for old stuff to record, but not the stuff already released!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 11, 2011, 10:35:00 AM
'Flown in' has become sort of a catchphrase around here. It's contagious. I feel flown in. Early this morning I was flown in. Whilst working on a text, all sorts of ideas were flown into my head. Tonight I'll be flown into sleep. But only after a good dinner has been flown into my mouth.

Help!

Yes, that and "time-streeeeetching artifacts"

But Don, it's always fun when you fly in, and so sad when you go.

SMiLE everyone, anyone?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 10:48:02 AM
SMiLE everyone, anyone?

Nah, burnt out on Smile. That's why it's refreshing to have a thread here with different subject matter for a change.

New album, anyone?

I'd love for them to pull down a couple of Wilson/Paley or Wilson/Usher tracks from the past. Or even a Sweet Insanity track that hasn't seen the light of day. I think they have plenty of Wilson-written tracks that can be used to do a Beach Boys album.



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 11, 2011, 11:31:42 AM
Marketplace. That would be cool.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 11, 2011, 11:53:50 AM
Here's the album.

The Beach Boys - The Ocean Way Sessions

Do It Again 2011
Soul Searchin'
You're Still A Mystery
Don't Fight the Sea
Desert Drive
This Isn't Love
California Feelin'
Waves of Love
Some Sweet Day
Chain Reaction of Love
Everything I Need
Wouldn't it Be Nice to Live Again

And you could add a few new ones in there if you liked. But this would be a seriously good album, if performed and produced with a modicum of care.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 11, 2011, 12:08:40 PM
If I hear another rerecording of California Feelin' I'm probably gonna stop liking that song.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: pixletwin on October 11, 2011, 12:12:21 PM
If I hear another rerecording of California Feelin' I'm probably gonna stop liking that song.

Unless it's the 1974 version.  >:D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 12:15:14 PM
Gotta have at least one Brian unreleased solo song from the can and at least one Mike song from the can (from his unreleased 2004 solo album?) And one from Al's solo as noted above. And maybe one from Bruce. That way, there's no egos and everybody's happy.

And maybe an unreleased Beach Boys song. An early version of California Feelin' would work!



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: doc smiley on October 11, 2011, 02:18:05 PM
not  Ocean Way sessions.. just "Ocean Way"
great name for a BB CD.

and if your going to grab a ML solo track for this, Cool Head, Warm Heart  isn't half bad...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 11, 2011, 02:27:32 PM
If I hear another rerecording of California Feelin' I'm probably gonna stop liking that song.

Unless it's the 1974 version.  >:D

I've yet to hear a good rendition of the line "pick a grapefruit from a grapefruit tree…".

In my mind the song is irredeemable.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: 37!ws on October 11, 2011, 02:32:07 PM
IMHO, most of Mike's solo songs need to be put in the can....don't forget to flush.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 11, 2011, 03:10:58 PM
IMHO, most of Mike's solo songs need to be put in the can....don't forget to flush.
Anything with that much cr@p in it probably would require three or four flushes with some incredibly vigorous plunging  in between.  Or perhaps a much larger model with an extra huge escape route for the rejected material. :angel:


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 03:31:10 PM
Good to see you guys are so humble with your opinions........

You know what Mike would do if he didn't get one of his songs on there or at least one with his lyrics, don'tcha?

Hard to believe Mike re-did "Brian's Back" again. Just saw that on YouTube a couple weeks ago and couldn't believe it.  ::)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: buddhahat on October 11, 2011, 03:56:41 PM
They should just nail it with absolute gold-standard unreleased gems.

Let me set the ball rolling ....

1. Stevie
2. You're Still A Mystery


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: pixletwin on October 11, 2011, 04:05:52 PM
Call me nuts, but I would love to hear a BB version of Love and Mercy.

 :o


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 11, 2011, 04:16:45 PM
I don't understand why people keep asking for re-recordings of old songs they've already heard. Give me 12 new ones!!!
Gee, I still remember how dissapointed people were upon knowing that GIOMH would include so many re-recordings. For me, that weakens previous interest on any album


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2011, 04:20:09 PM
Good to see you guys are so humble with your opinions........

You know what Mike would do if he didn't get one of his songs on there or at least one with his lyrics, don'tcha?

Hard to believe Mike re-did "Brian's Back" again. Just saw that on YouTube a couple weeks ago and couldn't believe it.  ::)
Kinda thought the new version of Brian's back was decent compared to the crass 1970s version.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 04:22:47 PM
I don't understand why people keep asking for re-recordings of old songs they've already heard. Give me 12 new ones!!!
Gee, I still remember how dissapointed people were upon knowing that GIOMH would include so many re-recordings. For me, that weakens previous interest or any album

Exactly. And not great songs I might add.

These guys still have what it takes to make a great album full of originals. Brian wrote 'Good Kind Of Love' by himself - he has a lot of great tunes left in him I bet....Mike has some great lyrics, and they ALL have great voices right now - why the heck would we want a re-recorded version of Desert Drive or Soul Searchin'?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 04:47:50 PM
Of COURSE we want new songs!  No brainer!  But what if the new songs aren't up to snuff and basically suck?  I say throw a couple of re-makes on the fire that deserve to be heard by the mainstream. You know, good solid unreleased tried and true songs that the fan community has heard on bootlegs, but remain unreleased to the public. The instrumental tracks are there, just re-record the vocals or use existing ones. I'm all for new songs - let's see what Brian (and Mike) have up their sleeves. Don't want another "Still Cruisin'" CD, just originals with maybe a few good unreleased ones thrown in. I'll take "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" or "Dancin' The Night Away" or "This Could Be The Night" or "It's Like Heaven" or "Sandy/Sherry She Needs Me" or..........or.........Yeah, that's the ticket!

"Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" would be a given. That song by itself would probably sell the CD.

"Do It Again" has been released 3 or 4 times already in some capacity, but it looks like they've re-recorded it again. Maybe it's a theme song for the new album, who knows.



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 04:50:21 PM
Kinda thought the new version of Brian's back was decent compared to the crass 1970s version.

Who's singing that, Mike's kid?  To me it's inferior compared to the version on the Endless Harmony CD.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2011, 04:57:53 PM
Kinda thought the new version of Brian's back was decent compared to the crass 1970s version.

Who's singing that, Mike's kid?  To me it's inferior compared to the version on the Endless Harmony CD.
Its Mike's kid Christian singing, i just thought it was crass to write a song with such goofy lyrics about a man only in his mid 30 and understanding his problems. Hope Mike is over his habit of writing songs that reference older Beach Boys songs.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 11, 2011, 05:17:04 PM
Regarding re-recordings, etc. Of course I am for new songs and new recordings. I was just saying what would be possible to include Carl's voice. Since some of his vocals are on tracks not finished (like was the case for DFTS), I don't think there would be a problem with finishing them. It would be just for one or two songs like I'd look at it.
But all in all I am OF COURSE for new songs and new recordings. I think I was clear enough from the beginning. I also think that's what most people would want


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 05:23:14 PM
Of COURSE we want new songs!  No brainer!  But what if the new songs aren't up to snuff and basically suck?  I say throw a couple of re-makes on the fire that deserve to be heard by the mainstream. You know, good solid unreleased tried and true songs that the fan community has heard on bootlegs, but remain unreleased to the public. The instrumental tracks are there, just re-record the vocals or use existing ones. I'm all for new songs - let's see what Brian (and Mike) have up their sleeves. Don't want another "Still Cruisin'" CD, just originals with maybe a few good unreleased ones thrown in. I'll take "You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling" or "Dancin' The Night Away" or "This Could Be The Night" or "It's Like Heaven" or "Sandy/Sherry She Needs Me" or..........or.........Yeah, that's the ticket!

"Wouldn't It Be Nice To Live Again" would be a given. That song by itself would probably sell the CD.

"Do It Again" has been released 3 or 4 times already in some capacity, but it looks like they've re-recorded it again. Maybe it's a theme song for the new album, who knows.



I just read today it's supposed to be used for a promo-vid for their reunion shows....http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/58937-unplugging-garbage-is-back-and-so-are-the-beach-boys (http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/58937-unplugging-garbage-is-back-and-so-are-the-beach-boys) - though I don't know where they got that info....I need to read up more on this stuff.

No reason why it can't be part of an album as well though.
____

I think Do It Again is a great choice for a re-record - I just don't want the album to be full of them. And songs like 'Wouldn't It Be Nice (To Live Again)' deserve to be a part of a "from the vaults" comp - not a newly recorded Beach Boys record imo.

I'd love a CD full of new songs by the guys - a final goodbye to the many fans. Then have another CD chock full of songs like 'Wouldn't It Be Nice (To Live Again)', the backing track to 'In The Back Of My Mind', etc.

I just think, as a final farewell album, they can do better than 'Desert Drive' and 'Dancin' The Night Away'.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 05:27:46 PM
Regarding re-recordings, etc. Of course I am for new songs and new recordings. I was just saying what would be possible to include Carl's voice. Since some of his vocals are on tracks not finished (like was the case for DFTS), I don't think there would be a problem with finishing them. It would be just for one or two songs like I'd look at it.
But all in all I am OF COURSE for new songs and new recordings. I think I was clear enough from the beginning. I also think that's what most people would want

I see what you're saying - but I don't think it would be fair to us (or more importantly, Carl) if they used a shoddy unreleased song just because it had Carl's voice on it. I don't know the history behind these vaulted songs - they could be masterpieces for all I know - but if 'Don't Fight The Sea' was the best song of the bunch, I'd hate to see what is left....in my humble opinion.



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 11, 2011, 05:28:37 PM
The Beach Boys present "Ocean Way"

Sounds so good


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 11, 2011, 06:24:08 PM
Ocean Way is not a good album title (imo). It's only slightly better than, say, Keepin' The Summer Alive or Summer In Paradise.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: drbeachboy on October 11, 2011, 06:34:44 PM
My vote is for: "The Faded Rock Group Revival" album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 11, 2011, 07:09:48 PM
Quote
I just think, as a final farewell album, they can do better than 'Desert Drive' and 'Dancin' The Night Away'.

That is, in my opinion, honestly the best they can do.

We will be lucky if a reunion album has songs of that quality.

I mean, what else has anyone in the group produced in the last 30 years that suggests they can top those songs? Brian has certainly written some good ballads in that time, but have any of his up tempo tunes fared better than these two?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 11, 2011, 07:21:48 PM
I hasten to add, I think you could have a much better performed and produced version of DD -- something like the Paley sessions backing track, for one, and Mike lead vocals -- and it would go to a different level than the flat rendition on GIOMH.

And we've never heard a completed version of DtNA -- I'd love to hear the whole thing. "Grace of my Heart," too, come to think of it.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 07:27:22 PM
I guess it just comes down to personal preference. I think a song like 'Good Kind Of Love' is a far superior song to the aforementioned songs.

Granted, that is one song out of the plethora that Brian has written in last 20 years. Anyways, I see ya'll's point. I'm just trying to be optimistic about the idea that they can blow us away with some incredible original music.

Either way, can't wait to hear what this version of 'Do It Again' sounds like! When do you guys think it will be released?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 11, 2011, 07:35:44 PM
I really like Good Kind of Love too, by the way. Great tune. As are lots of things from TLOS. I'm just not sure the difference in quality between it and the best-possible version of DD is that wide.

Am very curious about the Do It Again remake. I really hope it has some sort of added BW tag or backing part. The new tag to "Caroline No" made Stars and Stripes nearly bearable for me!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 11, 2011, 07:43:07 PM
Honestly, at their core and in their basic elements, Brian has had a bunch of really solid songs of the last twenty years or so. It's just that a good 3/4 of them have  been pissed away due to poor arrangements or other sonic oddities. It's a shame some of them have already seen release, thus preventing them from making a new Beach Boys album and, in all likelihood, being far better executed.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 11, 2011, 07:58:43 PM
Quote
Honestly, at their core and in their basic elements, Brian has had a bunch of really solid songs of the last twenty years or so. It's just that a good 3/4 of them have  been pissed away due to poor arrangements or other sonic oddities. It's a shame some of them have already seen release, thus preventing them from making a new Beach Boys album and, in all likelihood, being far better executed.

Absolutely. Brilliant post.

In terms of "sonic oddities," sadly many of them are due to Brian singing lead on these songs. He seems to have a flair for taking the most commercial tune on his records -- South American on Imagination, DD on GIOMH -- and totally whiffing on the lead. His so seldom handles those lyric-driven rockers well.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 08:28:44 PM
Rab2591, thanks for the "Do It Again" info.  Can't wait to see the video!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 08:32:50 PM
My vote is for: "The Faded Rock Group Revival" album.

My vote is for "Reverberation"!  Or "Landlocked". Ha Ha Ha Ha!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 11, 2011, 08:34:57 PM
Rab2591, thanks for the "Do It Again" info.  Can't wait to see the video!

I don't know how reliable the info is, but if it's true I can't wait either!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Runaways on October 11, 2011, 08:38:04 PM
you're still a mystery is one of the only tunes that needs a release i think.  I'm sure it'll be a mix of new and re-recorded unreleased.  brian said he's writing new songs.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Cam Mott on October 11, 2011, 08:38:53 PM
Ocean Way is not a good album title (imo). It's only slightly better than, say, Keepin' The Summer Alive or Summer In Paradise.

How about "Summer In Autumn"?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
My vote is for: "The Faded Rock Group Revival" album.

My vote is for "Reverberation"!  Or "Landlocked". Ha Ha Ha Ha!
I'm liking the ring of the title  "Ocean Way- The Beach Boys"


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 08:47:05 PM
I like the Doctor's title. "The Faded Rock Group Revival". Technically Bruce Johnston's made-up title for an album in the works.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: jimmy1949 on October 11, 2011, 08:50:56 PM
I cannot for the life of me imagine Brian Wilson standing in a studio singing along to a recording of his long gone brother Carl or Dennis. I think it would not be a pleasant situation for him.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 11, 2011, 08:51:40 PM
"pleasure island" would work if Brian uses the beach boys to complete his rock and roll album he has been talking about since 1999....  ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 11, 2011, 09:08:06 PM
I cannot for the life of me imagine Brian Wilson standing in a studio singing along to a recording of his long gone brother Carl or Dennis. I think it would not be a pleasant situation for him.

Uh, "Soul Searchin'"?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: stack-o-tracks on October 11, 2011, 09:16:39 PM
"pleasure island" would work if Brian uses the beach boys to complete his rock and roll album he has been talking about since 1999....  ;D

Pleasure Island is miles better than Ocean Way. And its a name that would intrigue today's audience more as well.


Which place would you choose to go?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: send me a picture and i'll tell you on October 11, 2011, 09:28:06 PM
Consider:  Brian's unheard-of return to vocal form in his 60's since the release of Smile, the amazing production of the Disney record (some of his best work since 1967, IMHO), the crap-eating grin on his face in the recent FB Capitol records photos, the Smile Sessions being released in a few weeks , and the fact that he holds the ultimate hand in any BB reunion-- I'm certain he could negotiate full authority in every realm in the project, and even have Darian with him every time he's in a room with Mike (a sort-of reverse Surf-Nazi kind of deal...), or he'd be glad to walk away and return to living-legend land.

There's only one title for this puppy:

The Beach Boys -- Return of the Piper (2011)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: stack-o-tracks on October 11, 2011, 09:37:40 PM
Return of the Piper is also better than Ocean Way.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 09:52:42 PM
I don't understand why people keep asking for re-recordings of old songs they've already heard. Give me 12 new ones!!!

Preach it brother.  If Brian wrote 20 songs in a weekend, 5 years ago, then by god Brian, Mike, Al, & Bruce can write 12 in a month. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 10:00:23 PM
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I just think, as a final farewell album, they can do better than 'Desert Drive' and 'Dancin' The Night Away'.

That is, in my opinion, honestly the best they can do.

We will be lucky if a reunion album has songs of that quality.

I mean, what else has anyone in the group produced in the last 30 years that suggests they can top those songs? Brian has certainly written some good ballads in that time, but have any of his up tempo tunes fared better than these two?

Good Kinda Love. 

Live Let Live

The Waltz

Oxygen to the Brain

California Role



there's 5 that are better than Desert Drive and Dance the night away, imho.  That's not counting Ballads; which were all better than these.  "Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl" shits all over anything mentioned in this thread yet. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 10:03:48 PM
I cannot for the life of me imagine Brian Wilson standing in a studio singing along to a recording of his long gone brother Carl or Dennis. I think it would not be a pleasant situation for him.

He did JUST THAT on Getting In Over My Head.  Did you not hear that album? 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 11, 2011, 10:06:39 PM
Brian wrote 20 songs in a weekend? Really? What songs were they?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 10:20:27 PM
Brian wrote 20 songs in a weekend? Really? What songs were they?

Brian said that in a few interviews, I believe he's talking about the entirety of "Lucky Old Sun", and the other songs that were kicked around about that time like "The Path of Life" and "The Beatleman" or whatever that song's called (I've never heard it).  You've got to remember when Brian talks about writing songs he's generally talking about the actual composition not necessarily the lyrics. 

Still though, even if Brian just writes the music if he can write 20 in a weekend (according to him) then he definately still has the abillity to help the Beach Boys make an album. 


BTW, to change topic again (sorry).... does anybody else find it FASCINATING that the more things change, the more they stay the same? 

The band (the beach boys) is once again begging Brian to help them make a record.  Begging Brian to go on tour with them.  Brian's once again battling writers block, and self-doubt. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jay on October 11, 2011, 10:32:49 PM
I like the idea somebody here had about the group doing a song about Dennis or Carl, rather than trying to relcomplete an unreleased song with Carl or Dennis singing. Something along the lines of Brian's Back. Ocean Way could be a song about how Dennis loved to take his boat out on the ocean, or how he loved to surf.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 11, 2011, 10:44:07 PM
Jay, have you ever heard "Calpyso" by John Denver?  He wrote it about Jauques Cousteou (sorry Jauques, I just butchered your name!).  GREAT song that captured the spirit of the man (the Calypso was Jauque's boat!) and really illustrated what kind of person he was, as well as John's great gift for songwriting.

Or have you ever heard (this is pretty silly) "Bob's got a swing band in heaven" ?  LOL!  It's about Bob Wills and his band, of course they wouldn't do anything like that for Carl or Dennis but it just shows that sometimes the best way to honor somebody who's gone is to write a great song about what they were like, and what they loved, how they lived their lives.

Or on a sadder note, something like George Jones' "Who's gonna fill their shoes?" . 

OR, Don McClean's "American Pie". 

They wouldn't have to write anything as serious as that but I think they could come up with something good.  Calpyso is the best example of what I'd like to hear. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 11, 2011, 10:58:40 PM
ah, John Denver. he was my obsession before the Beach Boys. the reason I wore flannel before it was cool.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Jay on October 12, 2011, 12:43:38 AM
Jay, have you ever heard "Calpyso" by John Denver?  He wrote it about Jauques Cousteou (sorry Jauques, I just butchered your name!).  GREAT song that captured the spirit of the man (the Calypso was Jauque's boat!) and really illustrated what kind of person he was, as well as John's great gift for songwriting.

Or have you ever heard (this is pretty silly) "Bob's got a swing band in heaven" ?  LOL!  It's about Bob Wills and his band, of course they wouldn't do anything like that for Carl or Dennis but it just shows that sometimes the best way to honor somebody who's gone is to write a great song about what they were like, and what they loved, how they lived their lives.

Or on a sadder note, something like George Jones' "Who's gonna fill their shoes?" . 

OR, Don McClean's "American Pie". 

They wouldn't have to write anything as serious as that but I think they could come up with something good.  Calpyso is the best example of what I'd like to hear. 
The only song out of those that I know is American Pie. I'll have to look up the others you mentioned.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Paulos on October 12, 2011, 02:24:57 AM
Jay, have you ever heard "Calpyso" by John Denver?  He wrote it about Jauques Cousteou (sorry Jauques, I just butchered your name!).  GREAT song that captured the spirit of the man (the Calypso was Jauque's boat!) and really illustrated what kind of person he was, as well as John's great gift for songwriting.

Or have you ever heard (this is pretty silly) "Bob's got a swing band in heaven" ?  LOL!  It's about Bob Wills and his band, of course they wouldn't do anything like that for Carl or Dennis but it just shows that sometimes the best way to honor somebody who's gone is to write a great song about what they were like, and what they loved, how they lived their lives.

Or on a sadder note, something like George Jones' "Who's gonna fill their shoes?" .  

OR, Don McClean's "American Pie".  

They wouldn't have to write anything as serious as that but I think they could come up with something good.  Calpyso is the best example of what I'd like to hear.  

Another song in this vein is 'Three Stars' performed by Eddie Cochran which pays tribute to Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens & The Big Bopper, sad that Eddie himself then died around a year after recording this.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 12, 2011, 03:00:27 AM
Oh no, please no song about Dennis/Carl. Do you have an idea how cheesy that would be? We're talking about the Beach Boys. "Brian's back" alone is terrible enough lyrically. Or listened to Mike's tribute to George Harrison "Pisces brothers" ? Do you really want to have something like that on a new (and certainly last) Beach Boys album ? Carl's "Like a brother" is a nice exception but that was written about Brian.



Somebody said he never listened to Brian's recordings that were recorded around the time of TLOS. Here are some links.

Message man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rFh8OyHfg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6rFh8OyHfg)

I'm into something good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bspy0vlTqQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bspy0vlTqQ&feature=related)

Just like me and you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5BAoTp-6y4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5BAoTp-6y4&feature=related)

Couldn't find "Oh mi amore".


There are still two older Brian compositions that I'd love to hear completed with the Beach Boys. "Do you have any regrets" and "I sleep alone". The latetr one has to have a slight change of the lyrics


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Loaf on October 12, 2011, 03:22:03 AM
Brian wrote 20 songs in a weekend? Really? What songs were they?

Brian said that in a few interviews, I believe he's talking about the entirety of "Lucky Old Sun", and the other songs that were kicked around about that time like "The Path of Life" and "The Beatleman" or whatever that song's called (I've never heard it).  You've got to remember when Brian talks about writing songs he's generally talking about the actual composition not necessarily the lyrics. 

Beatleman became Message Man, from the TLOS bonus tracks.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 12, 2011, 03:31:26 AM
I like the idea somebody here had about the group doing a song about Dennis or Carl

We once had a doggie named Carl
Who went with our pigtails and freckles.
Just like a tisket and a tasket
He came one Christmas in a basket

He'd jump on her lap and would kiss us
When we'd go away he would miss us
He used to tag along beside us
A furry flop haired easy rider

Carl, I'll see you on the other side
I couldn't believe it when they said you'd died
I couldn't keep myself from crying
I even almost felt like dying

Carl, I know I'll get to see you again
I don't know exactly where or how or when
Such a good dog, I'm believing
You're happy up in doggy heaven

Carl, though you're gone away
I feel sure that we will play some day
Just like in the good ole days
Just you and me (togetherrrrrr)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: hypehat on October 12, 2011, 03:34:53 AM
oh my god  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 12, 2011, 03:58:21 AM
oh my god  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

The return of Ghost


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 12, 2011, 07:53:02 AM
I guess it could be like that.  I was thinking more along the vein of "My Diane".  They could call it "My Dennis". 


Just kidding, and I know it would be a tall order, but they could write an appropriately oblique song about Carl and Dennis and have it be the coolest thing ever. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Madcap on October 12, 2011, 08:17:12 AM
Consider:  Brian's unheard-of return to vocal form in his 60's since the release of Smile, the amazing production of the Disney record (some of his best work since 1967, IMHO), the crap-eating grin on his face in the recent FB Capitol records photos, the Smile Sessions being released in a few weeks , and the fact that he holds the ultimate hand in any BB reunion-- I'm certain he could negotiate full authority in every realm in the project, and even have Darian with him every time he's in a room with Mike (a sort-of reverse Surf-Nazi kind of deal...), or he'd be glad to walk away and return to living-legend land.

There's only one title for this puppy:

The Beach Boys -- Return of the Piper (2011)

That sounds more like a Syd Barrett comeback album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: send me a picture and i'll tell you on October 12, 2011, 08:25:58 AM
Dedicated to Dennis and Carl, and anyone else in the band who ever dies:

Hey, little Beach Boy, sit here on my lap
I got things that I gotta tell you
No more skateboards, put away your baseball mitt.
Your rough livin' days are through

You could find places to go
You could see that boys love you so
They're doin' it all over the world

Hey little hey little hey little Beach Boy
Time to turn into a girl
Hey little hey little hey little Beach boy
They're doin' it all over the world

Hey, little Beach boy, I've had my eyes on you
Thinkin' what a girl you could be
Mmm, I smell perfume, let's try some cut-off jeans
Look at all the changes I see

I'm gonna teach you to kiss
You're gonna feel just like this
They're doin' it all over the world

Hey little hey little hey little Beach Boy
Time to turn into a girl
Hey little hey little hey little Beach Boy
They're doin' it all over the world

(Hey little hey little hey little Beach Boy)
I'm gonna make you a girl
(Hey little hey little hey little Beach Boy)
You'd make a beautiful girl
(Hey little hey little hey little Beach Boy)
They're doing it all over the world


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 12, 2011, 08:32:08 AM
That's just............................wrong.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 12, 2011, 09:16:29 AM
"pleasure island" would work if Brian uses the beach boys to complete his rock and roll album he has been talking about since 1999....  ;D

Pleasure Island is miles better than Ocean Way. And its a name that would intrigue today's audience more as well.


Which place would you choose to go?
Mike would like pleasure island because it fits in with in his summer beach boys kokomo theme he has been pushing since the 1980s. Saw Mike and Bruce this year and they were great and they will sound good in the studio for an album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 12, 2011, 09:32:12 AM
The thing with Mike is that , love him or hate him, everyone must agree that he has lived an amazing life, experienced the highest of highs and the lowest of lows, so surely he can think of more intresting subject matter to sing about then going to the bloody beach!!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 12, 2011, 09:35:14 AM
The thing with Mike is that , love him or hate him, everyone must agree that he has lived an amazing life, experienced the highest of highs and the lowest of lows, so surely he can think of more intresting subject matter to sing about then going to the bloody beach!!
Mike can write good non-beach lyrics, the man wrote the lyrics for side two of Today and warmth of the sun. :hat


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 12, 2011, 09:52:34 AM
none of the tracks from Mike's unreleased solo album from a few years ago are about going to the beach.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 12, 2011, 09:57:43 AM
Mike's "I don't wanna know" (re-recorded for his unreleased Mike Love Not War album) is great. I love it ! I wonder what it would've sounded like if Carl had sang it.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 12, 2011, 10:08:50 AM
The problem with Mike in my opinion is that while he may do non-beach songs on his solo albums, when he makes Beach Boys albums he has this idea of surfing/cars and beach themed music because that thats the part of the band's legacy he embraces, while Brian is more into the emotional side of the band's legacy. Hoping they reach a consensus for a new album that embraces both aspects of the beach boys music and legacy.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 12, 2011, 10:14:46 AM
none of the tracks from Mike's unreleased solo album from a few years ago are about going to the beach.

Solo albums are one thing but for Beach Boys material I'm afraid it'll be "fun in the sun" lyrics all the way.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 12, 2011, 12:47:47 PM
none of the tracks from Mike's unreleased solo album from a few years ago are about going to the beach.

Solo albums are one thing but for Beach Boys material I'm afraid it'll be "fun in the sun" lyrics all the way.
And that's exactly why it wouldn't sell. ::)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 12, 2011, 05:19:36 PM
none of the tracks from Mike's unreleased solo album from a few years ago are about going to the beach.

DUH DUH UDH UDH UDHUD HUDH D
GOOOIN TO TEH BEAH
GOOOIOIIN T OTEH BEACH
WITH MAH BAYABYUIYYY
GOOINN OT TEHBB BEAHC
GO GOOIIIIIN
 TEO TEH ABC HAETBI ABBABBY


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Pretty Funky on October 12, 2011, 06:19:44 PM
Hate to be a downer but again......The source is someone tweeting while taking a sh!t!

This person may not know the Beach Boys from the Beastie Boys. In to record comes Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys and it 'is ' the Beach Boys suddenly.

To the insider who got upset about a subject earlier, now may be a good time to speak up.

am i missing what the bathroom has to do with anything?  are you trying to say that cause he tweeted a picture of what the bathroom looks like at the studio (obviously showing the posters on the wall) that he has no credibility?  i mean he said he's listenign to the music with brian wilson and then posted a picture of him and brian wilson. 

I just think it is disrespectful of someone who should be a professiona,l to me at least, be sending a tweet hidden and in secret. Also interesting no pictures other than with Brian. Not a word on the songs, style, musicians etc.

Like to be proved wrong but by now I would have thought a 'Beach Boy' or spokesman would have confirmed or denied.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Micha on October 12, 2011, 10:32:19 PM
Call me nuts, but I would love to hear a BB version of Love and Mercy.

 :o
Hey... so would I.

If the really make a new album, and it's half as good as TLOS, then it's good enough. Still I'm scared thinking they really might try.

My title suggestion: 15 Summer Bummers. ;D


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 12, 2011, 11:55:40 PM
Consider:  Brian's unheard-of return to vocal form in his 60's since the release of Smile, the amazing production of the Disney record (some of his best work since 1967, IMHO), the crap-eating grin on his face in the recent FB Capitol records photos, the Smile Sessions being released in a few weeks , and the fact that he holds the ultimate hand in any BB reunion-- I'm certain he could negotiate full authority in every realm in the project, and even have Darian with him every time he's in a room with Mike (a sort-of reverse Surf-Nazi kind of deal...), or he'd be glad to walk away and return to living-legend land.

That would be the best of times, that would be the worst of times.

Were it the case.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 13, 2011, 12:18:58 AM
none of the tracks from Mike's unreleased solo album from a few years ago are about going to the beach.

DUH DUH UDH UDH UDHUD HUDH D
GOOOIN TO TEH BEAH
GOOOIOIIN T OTEH BEACH
WITH MAH BAYABYUIYYY
GOOINN OT TEHBB BEAHC
GO GOOIIIIIN
 TEO TEH ABC HAETBI ABBABBY
so I guess you've finally snapped.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 13, 2011, 12:33:39 AM
Consider:  Brian's unheard-of return to vocal form in his 60's since the release of Smile, the amazing production of the Disney record (some of his best work since 1967, IMHO), the crap-eating grin on his face in the recent FB Capitol records photos, the Smile Sessions being released in a few weeks , and the fact that he holds the ultimate hand in any BB reunion-- I'm certain he could negotiate full authority in every realm in the project, and even have Darian with him every time he's in a room with Mike (a sort-of reverse Surf-Nazi kind of deal...), or he'd be glad to walk away and return to living-legend land.

That would be the best of times, that would be the worst of times.

Were it the case.

The worst of times? You jest imo. A bit of the real, unfiltered Brian (that's not to say his recent output is somehow not real) can not be a bad thing, if that's what you were going for.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 13, 2011, 03:41:26 AM
Consider:  Brian's unheard-of return to vocal form in his 60's since the release of Smile, the amazing production of the Disney record (some of his best work since 1967, IMHO), the crap-eating grin on his face in the recent FB Capitol records photos, the Smile Sessions being released in a few weeks , and the fact that he holds the ultimate hand in any BB reunion-- I'm certain he could negotiate full authority in every realm in the project, and even have Darian with him every time he's in a room with Mike (a sort-of reverse Surf-Nazi kind of deal...), or he'd be glad to walk away and return to living-legend land.

That would be the best of times, that would be the worst of times.

Were it the case.

The worst of times? You jest imo. A bit of the real, unfiltered Brian (that's not to say his recent output is somehow not real) can not be a bad thing, if that's what you were going for.

Not a Dickens fan, I see.  :)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 13, 2011, 05:46:16 AM
Back to topic, I think what the Beach Boys first need is a real good single. We know it'll turn out to be the Do It Again remake, but that would be sooooo wrong. Nobody wants to hear a re-recording, especially not one of a song that was already a hit. The next best of - which will certainly be released next year or 2013 - would then have two versions of Do It Again. Wrong, wrong, wrong. They need a new song/a new recording of an unreleased song. Something really catchy and nice. There are quite a few unreleased songs that have hit potential and maybe they'll even come up with a new one. To get a hit should be no problem with the right promotion and thanks to the 50th, the reunion and the likely succes of The Smile Sessions, it won't be too hard for the managment to build something around that. Put the Do It Again re-recording on the single as "b-side" or as a bonus track and it'll be allright. "Good kind of love" from Brian's TLOS album was something that had good potential. Same with Soul Searchin and Desert Drive (although these have already been used by Brian solo). I mentioned Brian's unreleased "Do you have any regrets" (a.k.a. I Do) and "I sleep alone". Don't know about the latter, but DYHAR could very well become a hit. The boys and their managemnt just have to do something right for once. TSS is a very good start.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: puni puni on October 13, 2011, 06:20:26 AM
i wonder how often brian rejects ideas that are brought to him. i really have a tough time believing that stuff like lucky old sun or gershwin is 100% his arranging. it feels like he brings something bare to the sessions, and then his band kinda fills in the gaps and overproduces it. to me, there's something that sounds very off and artificial about gershwin/disney/etc.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Les P on October 13, 2011, 07:29:57 AM
i wonder how often brian rejects ideas that are brought to him. i really have a tough time believing that stuff like lucky old sun or gershwin is 100% his arranging. it feels like he brings something bare to the sessions, and then his band kinda fills in the gaps and overproduces it. to me, there's something that sounds very off and artificial about gershwin/disney/etc.

I believe "Message Man," "I'm Into Something Good," "Oh Mi Amor" and "Just Like Me and You" are more indicative of what Brian Wilson solo productions sound like in the 2000's.  Like them or not, I don't know if that sound has hit potential in 2011 (not necessarily a bad thing, in my mind).


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 13, 2011, 09:05:04 AM
You can't tell me Brian didn't produce and arrange "Oxygen to the Brain". 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 13, 2011, 09:10:26 AM
BW has indeed produced and arranged all of those things -- TLOS, Gershwin, Disney. But bowowow's point -- that Brian outlines a basic arrangement that is then elaborated (overproduced?) by his band -- is pretty much my understanding of how it's worked over the last few years. Bowowow doesn't like the outcome of that process -- but that's his opinion.

Les's point is well taken too -- those TLOS demos and bonus tracks are about as unfiltered BW as we're likely to hear for some time. It's just him and Scott Bennett, and little else. But it is a pretty stripped-back sound.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: joshferrell on October 13, 2011, 09:24:44 AM
i wonder how often brian rejects ideas that are brought to him. i really have a tough time believing that stuff like lucky old sun or gershwin is 100% his arranging. it feels like he brings something bare to the sessions, and then his band kinda fills in the gaps and overproduces it. to me, there's something that sounds very off and artificial about gershwin/disney/etc.

I believe "Message Man," "I'm Into Something Good," "Oh Mi Amor" and "Just Like Me and You" are more indicative of what Brian Wilson solo productions sound like in the 2000's.  Like them or not, I don't know if that sound has hit potential in 2011 (not necessarily a bad thing, in my mind).
well if Amy Winshouse can have hits that have a 60's wall of sound feel to them why not Brian/beach boys? I like what George Martin once said (paraphrasing) "Great artists do what they want to do and don't listen to record companies"..so Brian (if you read this) record the songs the way YOU want to


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: urbanite on October 13, 2011, 12:44:26 PM
I'd like the title of the album to be:

   Ocean Way - The Return of The Beach Boys


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 13, 2011, 01:06:34 PM
I'll bet 500 American dollars that "Ocean Way" will not be in the title.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: stack-o-tracks on October 13, 2011, 01:10:54 PM
Yeah... Why's everybody want them to name the alleged album after a place where they recorded?  Preeetty lame. And I dont even think the album of Disney covers is lame.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: The Madcap on October 13, 2011, 02:38:39 PM
Mike would probably be all for the idea of naming it after the place they recorded it. We all know that he likes to compare The Beach Boys with The Beatles whenever possible, so now he'd have another way of doing that.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 13, 2011, 03:18:08 PM
I'll bet my horse that the tile has the word Summer in there somewhere.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: southbay on October 13, 2011, 03:58:17 PM
yes, I could see Mike pushing for something like  "The Beach Boys' Indian Summer"...get it?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 13, 2011, 05:29:34 PM
They could cover that song by Beat Happening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7KNRC8SSAw) if they called it that!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Alex on October 13, 2011, 08:57:32 PM
Quote
They could cover that song by Beat Happening if they called it that!

Breakfast in cemetary/boy tasting wild cherry...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 14, 2011, 12:09:26 AM
Consider:  Brian's unheard-of return to vocal form in his 60's since the release of Smile, the amazing production of the Disney record (some of his best work since 1967, IMHO), the crap-eating grin on his face in the recent FB Capitol records photos, the Smile Sessions being released in a few weeks , and the fact that he holds the ultimate hand in any BB reunion-- I'm certain he could negotiate full authority in every realm in the project, and even have Darian with him every time he's in a room with Mike (a sort-of reverse Surf-Nazi kind of deal...), or he'd be glad to walk away and return to living-legend land.

That would be the best of times, that would be the worst of times.

Were it the case.

The worst of times? You jest imo. A bit of the real, unfiltered Brian (that's not to say his recent output is somehow not real) can not be a bad thing, if that's what you were going for.

Not a Dickens fan, I see.  :)

I get the reference, but alas, have never read the book ;(


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Les P on October 14, 2011, 11:21:19 AM
Les's point is well taken too -- those TLOS demos and bonus tracks are about as unfiltered BW as we're likely to hear for some time. It's just him and Scott Bennett, and little else. But it is a pretty stripped-back sound.

And they may well be demos...but I don't believe the 2011 Brian generally has the attention span/level of interest to do more elaborate hands-on music arrangement/production.  That's why for the albums it gets assigned it to Mertens, et al.   


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Les P on October 14, 2011, 11:22:51 AM
I'll bet my horse that the tile has the word Summer in there somewhere.

Yep...I will be astounded if it doesn't.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SloopJohnB on October 14, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
"Ocean Way" sounds great to me... There's also "Cousins, Friends and Brothers", but it's too long and unfortunately only one of these brothers is still with us.

So I'm suggesting an alternative that will please at least two parties...

"From Wilson, with Love".  8)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 14, 2011, 08:20:41 PM
"Ocean Way" sounds great to me... There's also "Cousins, Friends and Brothers", but it's too long and unfortunately only one of these brothers is still with us.

So I'm suggesting an alternative that will please at least two parties...

"From Wilson, with Love".  8)

That's awsome!  Surprised no one here's thought of it before!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 14, 2011, 08:31:04 PM
Oh that's classy.  I just got it. 



Hey.  I'm slow... .but I get there. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mike's Beard on October 15, 2011, 04:37:23 AM
I'll bet my horse that the tile has the word Summer in there somewhere.

You have a horse?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 15, 2011, 05:00:01 AM
I'll bet my horse that the tile has the word Summer in there somewhere.

You have a horse?

Hung like.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: hypehat on October 15, 2011, 05:02:32 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq1brje3JH1r1thdeo1_500.gif)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 23, 2011, 07:31:51 PM
Brian at Ocean Way yesterday:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater)

(I'd post the photo but I don't know how to)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: bgas on October 23, 2011, 07:53:50 PM
I think it's great the way they photo-shopped Brian into the picture; makes me think he's either sleeping there or trying to figure out what all the controls actually do. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 23, 2011, 07:59:46 PM
Great pic

Wonder what he's up to


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: stack-o-tracks on October 23, 2011, 08:18:22 PM
Does Brian appear more pixellated than usual or is it just me? I'm serious I'm on a cellphone right now so everything is not as it should be. Would be a cool photo if it wasnt blatantly shooped.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: 18thofMay on October 23, 2011, 08:21:12 PM
The lighting is funny... his face look shopped


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 23, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Honestly, the more I look at it, the more I think it is photoshopped.

The whole board is crystal clear, yet Brian appears to be a bit blurry. Brian's shirt and face are lit up bright-red, yet the board is mysteriously lacking in any red.

Then I think, why would they take the time to fake a picture of Brian in the studio....then I think over all the things that don't make sense in The Beach Boys world, and then it doesn't seem that far-fetched. But perhaps my eyes are really starting to go. :-\

IDK. In a world full of photoshopped pictures, it's really hard to tell what is real and fake. So if this is real, no disrespect to Brian/Management, it's just the way it looks I suppose.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 23, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
It's not even a good shop...look around his nose and the console...see the white pixels? If not, save the pic and enlarge it, then check again.

Why did they do this?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: jimmy1949 on October 23, 2011, 08:41:03 PM
Looks like Brian found all the weight Jeff lost..hope he's careful!! :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 23, 2011, 09:06:39 PM
It's obviously not fake, they just did something weird to the picture


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 23, 2011, 09:11:13 PM
It's obviously not fake, they just did something weird to the picture

Yeah, maybe Brian was a little "dark" in the picutre, so they "brightened" him up.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Shady on October 23, 2011, 09:16:43 PM
It's obviously not fake, they just did something weird to the picture

Yeah, maybe Brian was a little "dark" in the picutre, so they "brightened" him up.

Exactly, just really badly  :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 23, 2011, 11:12:02 PM
Something is very odd - how can Brian be lit by a red light from the front/below, yet the board is obviously naturally lit from above ?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Micha on October 23, 2011, 11:12:15 PM
It's obviously not fake, they just did something weird to the picture

Yeah, maybe Brian was a little "dark" in the picutre, so they "brightened" him up.

Yup.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 24, 2011, 12:06:07 AM
Something is very odd - how can Brian be lit by a red light from the front/below, yet the board is obviously naturally lit from above ?

Exactly. Maybe he wasn't necessarily shopped in, but why add unnatural looking lighting effects?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Keri on October 24, 2011, 12:26:56 AM
It does look strange Brian all lit up in red, but that same red is on the walls on his right, as is something at the end of the desk, the monitor behind him is lit up with the same yellow that is in his hair. I've blown it up and both the desk and Brian look pixelated. I suspect it is a picture of Brian in the studio ;-)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 24, 2011, 12:31:42 AM
Beginning to think those pics of Brian on the moon might have been faked too...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: STE on October 24, 2011, 12:45:57 AM

I have no doubts that it's a real photo and Brian was really there. 
It's just that they did separate different post-processing (lighting, exposure, levels, etc) to Brian and to the rest of the photo.  Hence the odd final look.
It's usually hardly a seamless result when you need to select a person against a complex background.




Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 24, 2011, 01:21:15 AM
It's not even a good shop...look around his nose and the console...see the white pixels?



Haven't enlarged it, but the white "pixels" seem to be just part of the board.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 24, 2011, 02:01:54 PM
I'm glad I'm so young so I'll be alive in 20 years when Brian and the wife and managers have all passed on and all the lies surrounding Brian are exposed.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: John Manning on October 24, 2011, 02:09:15 PM
I'm glad I'm so young so I'll be alive in 20 years when Brian and the wife and managers have all passed on and all the lies surrounding Brian are exposed.

Life expectancy has nothing to do with it; it's more to do with the length of your lifetime. Everybody lasts one lifetime.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 24, 2011, 02:23:49 PM
I'm glad I'm so young so I'll be alive in 20 years when Brian and the wife and managers have all passed on and all the lies surrounding Brian are exposed.

Hmmm, gather round me you young-uns and let old Aegir tell you of the strange time Brian Wilson was photo-shopped into a picture of a recording studio. It was in the fall of 2011.............


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: absinthe_boy on October 24, 2011, 02:32:33 PM
Brian at Ocean Way yesterday:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater)

(I'd post the photo but I don't know how to)

OK I use photosop quite a lot.

The hands are not 'shopped. Something funny is going on with Brian's face and head but I'm not convinced that it means he was not actually there. It may just be lighting effects or that its been 'shopped to bring out his face. Look at the hair, it's nearly impossible to photoshop hair that well and merge it into an existing image.

So my conclusion, admittedly from the low res pic on Facebook, is that the image has been played with in order to make it look nice but I am 70% sure it's not actually fake. But I am ready to be corrected, because there are some very strange things going on with Brian's nose


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 24, 2011, 02:33:20 PM
I'm glad I'm so young so I'll be alive in 20 years when Brian and the wife and managers have all passed on and all the lies surrounding Brian are exposed.

Life expectancy has nothing to do with it; it's more to do with the length of your lifetime. Everybody lasts one lifetime.
yes, yes, yes. but until circumstances say otherwise I will assume my life expectancy and my lifetime are approximately the same amount.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 24, 2011, 02:33:48 PM
I am 70% sure it's not actually fake. But I am ready to be corrected, because there are some very strange things going on with Brian's nose

That's the coke


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: jeffcdo on October 24, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
Just a dark picture that's been brightened and then had the blacks pushed back down to maintain contrast, so it's a bit posterized.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 24, 2011, 04:17:40 PM
I am 70% sure it's not actually fake. But I am ready to be corrected, because there are some very strange things going on with Brian's nose

That's the coke

LMFAO


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Myk Luhv on October 24, 2011, 05:11:54 PM
He's getting into it again for his barnstorming 2011 version of "Teardrops On My Bed"!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 24, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
It's not even a good shop...look around his nose and the console...see the white pixels? If not, save the pic and enlarge it, then check again.

Why did they do this?

For artistic sake.  We've been trained to be suspect of things, so when you see something and deduce that it's been photoshopped, you automatically assume that the purpose of the photoshopping was to deceive.  Photoshop can be an artistic tool as well.  Brian was probably in the studio and they could take 1000 pictures of him sitting at the console, but it's actually pretty creative in my opinion for them to photoshop together a picture of him at the console with strange lighting, etc. to make people wonder and think. 

BTW I think it's a beautiful picture. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 24, 2011, 09:20:28 PM
They got Brian to act like he was directing people in the studio and acting like he was commanding the session just as he would have in '64 for a "making of" thing about a decade ago. Apparently it's been done more than once. So what reason would they have to "create" a picture of Brian at a console? How does that make any sense?

Even if it is ridiculously and totally "fake", I can't see why it would really matter. The staged studio footage, people doubling Brian's leads live and especially on record (especially Jeff doing it), the staged "fun and sun" image they're giving him a good 45 years after it was appropriate - this is the sort of trickery that I find really annoying, but a photoshopped Facebook picture? Meh.

To these eyes, it's just some not good editing of a legit photo of Brian at the console. The claims of him being too dark in the original photo could indeed be what's going on here. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I can't say I care much.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 24, 2011, 09:34:15 PM
Point taken.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 24, 2011, 10:04:01 PM
Point taken.

Sorry if I came off as... preachy? Something like that. It'd just be goofy if they could get this guy to act like he was doing something multiple times on film but not get him to pose for a staged picture. But hay, there are some interesting folk behind the modern day "Brian machine", so it's hard to say.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 24, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
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The staged studio footage,

I believe some was staged for Imagination, the Christmas album and BWPS. But at least for the latter two, it was done because filming schedules were short and they needed footage quickly. Nothing on those latter two videos seems particularly out of character -- and and Mark has said the footage was perfectly representative of the actual sessions. There has also been abundant real footage of Brian creating -- TLOS DVD, On Christmas Day web video, the footage from Darian's laptop on the Smile DVD.

The Imagination stuff is at a different level. It basically shows him producing tracks that he didn't produce, and arranging things he didn't arrange. It gave everything that followed it a bad name. I can understand the desire to do it -- it had been 10 years since his last big solo project -- but it has had repercussions.

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people doubling Brian's leads live and especially on record (especially Jeff doing it),

Live, I don't see the problem. Lots of the songs are double-tracked, and re-creating that can take two voices. On record, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Happened in BWPS on a tune or two, but I'm not sure where else you're hearing this. Yes, Jeff does sing a lot of falsetto and "answer" type parts. And that does get on a nerve or two around these parts!

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the staged "fun and sun" image they're giving him a good 45 years after it was appropriate - this is the sort of trickery that I find really annoying,

Where and when have they given him that image? The suit and tie at the grand piano for the Gershwin album? The suit and broken-down 50s backdrop of the TLOS pictures? If anything, they've been trying to make him look like an elder statesman. I mean, if anything, his folks are trying to keep Brian away from that image -- he wants to start all his live shows with California Girls, for Pete's sake!

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but a photoshopped Facebook picture? Meh.

Agreed.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on October 24, 2011, 11:14:41 PM
Brian at Ocean Way yesterday:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater)

(I'd post the photo but I don't know how to)

OK I use photosop quite a lot.

The hands are not 'shopped. Something funny is going on with Brian's face and head but I'm not convinced that it means he was not actually there. It may just be lighting effects or that its been 'shopped to bring out his face. Look at the hair, it's nearly impossible to photoshop hair that well and merge it into an existing image.

So my conclusion, admittedly from the low res pic on Facebook, is that the image has been played with in order to make it look nice but I am 70% sure it's not actually fake. But I am ready to be corrected, because there are some very strange things going on with Brian's nose

It's not faked, just oddly processed, according to someone who would know.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 25, 2011, 07:02:22 AM
Whew.  Glad we got that straightened out.  I wonder if Brian ever thinks "f*** the money, get these people away from me?"


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 25, 2011, 07:13:52 AM
Whew.  Glad we got that straightened out.  I wonder if Brian ever thinks "f*ck the money, get these people away from me?"

I'm sure he thinks it, just wish he'd say it!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: absinthe_boy on October 25, 2011, 12:54:17 PM
Brian at Ocean Way yesterday:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150380545642241&set=a.452661542240.241240.34250497240&type=1&theater)

(I'd post the photo but I don't know how to)

OK I use photosop quite a lot.

The hands are not 'shopped. Something funny is going on with Brian's face and head but I'm not convinced that it means he was not actually there. It may just be lighting effects or that its been 'shopped to bring out his face. Look at the hair, it's nearly impossible to photoshop hair that well and merge it into an existing image.

So my conclusion, admittedly from the low res pic on Facebook, is that the image has been played with in order to make it look nice but I am 70% sure it's not actually fake. But I am ready to be corrected, because there are some very strange things going on with Brian's nose

It's not faked, just oddly processed, according to someone who would know.

As an experienced photoshopper I am fully prepared to believe that.

It looks to me as if possibly Brian's face was very dark in the photo and somebody has selectively processed just that are (Brian's face) to play with. Most of the rest of the photo is untouched. It's a shame they didn't manage to blend the edges (eg. nose) in with the console better. Perhaps they were rushed for time.

It is also entirely possible that the image looked fine, and was then posted to facebook - FB has it's own image squashing algorithm which may have made the photo look less plausible.

As I said earlier, I'm a photoshop user and perfectly prepared to believe it's a real image where the only manipulation was in making it look nicer. Brian was there at the console in the pose depicted.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: c-man on October 26, 2011, 04:52:26 PM
Can anyone make out any of the channel notations, other than "Music" and "Vocals" on the two bus faders to the left? 


Title: BW confirmation: Joe Thomas is my producer
Post by: Wirestone on October 28, 2011, 02:27:41 PM
From http://www.knoxville.com/news/2011/oct/14/wayne-bledsoe-brian-wilson-on-disney-songs-and/?partner=RSS

Overall, Wilson seems to be in a very productive phase of his life.

"I feel a creative roll coming on, yeah, I do. I'm working on an album. It's just going to be great. All original stuff and, believe me, it's good stuff."

Wilson says he hopes to have the new album out possibly as soon as the end of this year.

"We're not working slow. We're working at a pretty good clip. My producer, Joe Thomas, and I are also writing songs together."

Wilson says tracks on the upcoming album include songs titled "The Private Life (of) Bill and Sue" and "Shelter."

"It's gonna be a really, really good album," he says.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Rocker on October 28, 2011, 02:30:36 PM
Hm, so now we know for sure he's working with Joe Thomas again. Don't know what I think about it. Hope both of them have learned their lessons.
But it's great he seems to be on a roll. I think TSS and digging into the Disney and Gershwin songs might have spurred some new creativity. And of course I hope it will become a Beach Boys album


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: CarlTheVoice on October 28, 2011, 02:30:52 PM
So does this suggest this is only a solo album? Shame, I would like one last BB album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 28, 2011, 02:37:29 PM
It's never too late.  They could drag these Zombies out for the 60th!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 28, 2011, 02:54:09 PM
In a Billboard.com article, BW made it pretty clear this is a solo project:

"I'm starting another Brian Wilson album. We've got about five or six things in the works," Wilson tells Billboard.com. He adds that he anticipates making "just another album with good songs, some of it rock 'n' roll, some of it not."


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Keri on October 28, 2011, 02:57:56 PM
So does this suggest this is only a solo album? Shame, I would like one last BB album.

Not me, I have no interest in the post Love You BB albums and expect we'd get more of the same. If Brian was in charge and using his current band with the other BBs singing and maybe writing a few words it might be good. But I see that as an unlikely scenario.

I'm looking forward to a new album of new material it does seem like a watershed time for Brian.



Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: 37!ws on October 28, 2011, 03:06:14 PM
And let me guess: there's one song that goes "Rock...roll...rockin' an'-a-roll-lin'..."


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mr. Cohen on October 28, 2011, 03:15:06 PM
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And let me guess: there's one song that goes "Rock...roll...rockin' an'-a-roll-lin'..."
I like watchin' '60s radio TV
The black screen and songs really really
blow my mind!

That little blue box tells me who's singin'
and keeps bouncin' around -
it's kinda cool!

(Yeah)

It's gotta be '60s rock
every night at seven o' clock!
Melinda take all the dogs outside
gonna go in my mind and hide!

The Doors, you know, are pretty weird,
that creepy organ makes me think I'm dyin' -
what the hell!

I really like hearin' some 3 Dog Night
plus The Association's "Along Comes Mary"!
Where's my bong?

(Yeah)

It's gotta be '60s rock
every night at seven o' clock!
Melinda take all the dogs outside
gonna go in my mind and hide!

[bridge w/ harmonies]

(Yeah)

It's gotta be '60s rock
every night at seven o' clock!
Melinda take all the dogs outside
gonna go in my mind and hide!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 28, 2011, 03:21:36 PM
Brilliant.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Mikie on October 28, 2011, 04:17:16 PM
"Just another album with good songs, some of it rock 'n' roll, some of it not."

Please make it ALL Rock & Roll, Brian. None o' that wimp rock! Couple ballads will be OK, but let's boogie! Driving guitars and bass, drums, the whole nine yards. Give it a little Spectoresqe feel and you got a million and two seller!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 28, 2011, 04:29:50 PM
I'm not sure I'd really want an entire full length album from The Beach Boys....but it'd be pretty great if they had 2 or 3 new songs on Brian's next solo album.   


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 29, 2011, 12:35:50 AM
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Wilson says he hopes to have the new album out possibly as soon as the end of this year.

"We're not working slow. We're working at a pretty good clip. My producer, Joe Thomas, and I are also writing songs together."

End of this year?! We're almost in NOVEMBER. I think he means 2012.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: absinthe_boy on October 29, 2011, 02:22:12 AM
With reference to his recent BBC Radio interview, Brian said he was getting together with his friends Joe and Jeff to make an album. He said it wasn't a Beach Boys album.

Of course that doesn't stop him from also being involved in some sort of Beach Boys project. Why not do an EP? Surely the Boys between them have three good new (or at least unheard) songs they could add to the new Do It Again and fashion a decent EP.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Runaways on October 29, 2011, 07:53:31 AM
"Just another album with good songs, some of it rock 'n' roll, some of it not."

Please make it ALL Rock & Roll, Brian. None o' that wimp rock! Couple ballads will be OK, but let's boogie! Driving guitars and bass, drums, the whole nine yards. Give it a little Spectoresqe feel and you got a million and two seller!

but those have been the worst songs on every bw release


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Aegir on October 29, 2011, 08:55:39 AM
Yeah, we're gonna get an entire album of "How Can We Still Be Dancin'", no thanks.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: prefect319 on October 29, 2011, 09:18:09 AM
Yeah, we're gonna get an entire album of "How Can We Still Be Dancin'", no thanks.
Am i  the only person who happens to like that song. If they let brian work on things with them and mike doesn't take over the session it could be a good record. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Alex on October 29, 2011, 09:28:44 AM
Yeah, we're gonna get an entire album of "How Can We Still Be Dancin'", no thanks.
Am i  the only person who happens to like that song. If they let brian work on things with them and mike doesn't take over the session it could be a good record. 

I love HCWSBD. One of the stronger tracks on GIOMH IMO.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: oldsurferdude on October 29, 2011, 10:40:09 AM
Yeah, we're gonna get an entire album of "How Can We Still Be Dancin'", no thanks.
Am i  the only person who happens to like that song. If they let brian work on things with them and mike doesn't take over the session it could be a good record. 

I love HCWSBD. One of the stronger tracks on GIOMH IMO.
Not to mention the title track as well.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 29, 2011, 12:38:35 PM
Yeah, we're gonna get an entire album of "How Can We Still Be Dancin'", no thanks.

I'd have been okay with that if it was BRIAN singing lead.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 29, 2011, 05:11:44 PM
"Just another album with good songs, some of it rock 'n' roll, some of it not."

Please make it ALL Rock & Roll, Brian. None o' that wimp rock! Couple ballads will be OK, but let's boogie! Driving guitars and bass, drums, the whole nine yards. Give it a little Spectoresqe feel and you got a million and two seller!

I agree!  Brian should ROCK THIS sh*t.  Johnny Cash did.  If Johnny Cash can make a Rock and Roll record, then DIE, Brian can make one when he's on top of his game like he is right now.  If Paul McCartney can still go on Jools Holland and kick ass singing "I Feel Fine" like he did recently, Brian can get off his ass and make some Rock and Roll like he's been threatening us with for the past 10 years.  Go Brian! Do it!  Again!


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 29, 2011, 05:12:38 PM
"Just another album with good songs, some of it rock 'n' roll, some of it not."

Please make it ALL Rock & Roll, Brian. None o' that wimp rock! Couple ballads will be OK, but let's boogie! Driving guitars and bass, drums, the whole nine yards. Give it a little Spectoresqe feel and you got a million and two seller!

but those have been the worst songs on every bw release

Not that kind of Rock.  That's p*ssy Rock, I'm talking about GOOD rock. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on October 29, 2011, 06:12:22 PM
As much as I love BB Love You, I understand why it doesn't sit well with folks like Jeff F. and B. Wilson himself, and why it seems to be neglected in the BW solo period. Although we (demented) fans love the high energy riff rock with its crazed, pounding synths-- even when it veers toward seeming adolescent simplicity -- I'm all but certain that it means something entirely different to its composer. It is regression on tape. Brian Wilson was not at his best when he created this manic, but compelling, music.

I would love to hear a 2012 version of Love You, but the man who made that album is (thankfully) long gone. He will now make music from a comfortable place. And he deserves that luxury.

If, despite all the odds, the Beach Boys make another album, I wouldn't set the bar too high. However, if they deliver a truly great swan song, I will be the first to shed a tear.

Maybe something along the lines of This Whole World...?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 29, 2011, 06:27:27 PM
As much as I love BB Love You, I understand why it doesn't sit well with folks like Jeff F. and B. Wilson himself,

Brian has frequently said that Love You is his favorite album.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on October 30, 2011, 12:12:24 PM
As much as I love BB Love You, I understand why it doesn't sit well with folks like Jeff F. and B. Wilson himself,

Brian has frequently said that Love You is his favorite album.


Brian Wilson:   "(Friends) seems to fit the way I live better.  It's simple, and I can hear it anytime without having to get into a mood.  Pet Sounds carries a lot more emotion, at least for me...  Pet Sounds is by far my very best album.  Still, though, my favorite is Friends."

He has lots of favorites, of course. Alright, though. Brian probably doesn't dislike it, but I'd bet his management and inner circle (wife?) don't enjoy it. Too weird for the man at this point in his career. IMHO.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 30, 2011, 12:30:24 PM
As much as I love BB Love You, I understand why it doesn't sit well with folks like Jeff F. and B. Wilson himself,

Brian has frequently said that Love You is his favorite album.


Brian Wilson:   "(Friends) seems to fit the way I live better.  It's simple, and I can hear it anytime without having to get into a mood.  Pet Sounds carries a lot more emotion, at least for me...  Pet Sounds is by far my very best album.  Still, though, my favorite is Friends."

He has lots of favorites, of course. Alright, though. Brian probably doesn't dislike it, but I'd bet his management and inner circle (wife?) don't enjoy it. Too weird for the man at this point in his career. IMHO.

I've also heard Brian say how much he loved "Love You" so it's surprising to hear that he claims "Friends" is his favorite.  Then again, I think it was in the Endless Harmony doc where he said "Love YOu" was his favorite...not sure how many other times he's said it.  We could all be relying on what he said in that documentary and taking it as gospel.  Maybe his favorites change daily...like ours do?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 30, 2011, 10:11:19 PM
I think Brian does this sh*t on purpose.  You can tell by how quickly he answers the questions.  He's fucking with us.  In an interview a few months back, he waxed prophetically about how Ding Dang was such a great melody or something like that. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 30, 2011, 10:18:01 PM
Brian changes his mind often, we know this. When he said Love You was his favorite Beach Boys album, it really was at that time. However, he has never spoken ill of the record. Foskett disliking it is straight up sickening.

I would love to hear a 2012 version of Love You, but the man who made that album is (thankfully) long gone.

Doubtful.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: anazgnos on October 30, 2011, 11:02:50 PM
I don't know if everyone sees it this way but for me, what makes Love You so valuable is that it's pretty much the only album post-Pet Sounds (or Smile) where you can sense that Brian is really controlling the sound.  The most valuable quality is the idea that you are getting to hear a whole sound world coming straight out of Brian's head, and it's a quality in really really short supply outside of 1966.  Love You may not be as elegant but it does have that quality to it, for me. 

Anyway I guess I'd be disappointed to learn that all the synths were actually programmed or arranged by Earl Mankey or something.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: ♩♬🐸 Sorry Entertainer ♯♫♩🐇 on October 30, 2011, 11:19:29 PM
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Brian Wilson:   "(Friends) seems to fit the way I live better.  It's simple, and I can hear it anytime without having to get into a mood.  Pet Sounds carries a lot more emotion, at least for me...  Pet Sounds is by far my very best album.  Still, though, my favorite is Friends."

Wasn't that a quote from 1968?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Micha on October 30, 2011, 11:24:05 PM
Foskett disliking it is straight up sickening.

Why so? Personally I totally understand him...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Micha on October 30, 2011, 11:28:17 PM
Anyway I guess I'd be disappointed to learn that all the synths were actually programmed or arranged by Earl Mankey or something.

But why? The recordings don't change if that were the case. They'd still sound the same.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: MarcellaHasDirtyFeet on October 31, 2011, 03:02:04 AM
Quote
Brian Wilson:   "(Friends) seems to fit the way I live better.  It's simple, and I can hear it anytime without having to get into a mood.  Pet Sounds carries a lot more emotion, at least for me...  Pet Sounds is by far my very best album.  Still, though, my favorite is Friends."

Wasn't that a quote from 1968?

Haha probably. I just cherry picked it. If it is from 1968, I guess it makes a lot of sense that Friends was his favorite, huh?!  :lol


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: phirnis on October 31, 2011, 07:02:04 AM
Personally I don't even think Love You is THAT different from other Beach Boys records. In terms of vocal performances and lyrics it lacks a certain polish but the Moog had been there for many years by that point (the same goes for the sometimes quirky yet oddly touching lyrical content).


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: anazgnos on October 31, 2011, 07:24:19 AM
Anyway I guess I'd be disappointed to learn that all the synths were actually programmed or arranged by Earl Mankey or something.

But why? The recordings don't change if that were the case. They'd still sound the same.

It's not that I would suddenly become disappointed with the music, I would just be disappointed in losing my pet theory about the album.

I mean I love Earl Mankey, early Sparks is awesome and he's a huge part of it.  8)


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Autotune on October 31, 2011, 08:08:27 AM
It's hard to understand why would a BB fan not want a new album and would prefer an EP or no album at all instead.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on October 31, 2011, 08:11:41 AM
If they don't call this album F*ckin' With The Formula then they've lost a valuable oppurtunity in reconnecting with the kids.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 31, 2011, 09:43:05 AM
I think Brian does this sh*t on purpose.  You can tell by how quickly he answers the questions.  He's friggin' with us.  In an interview a few months back, he waxed prophetically about how Ding Dang was such a great melody or something like that. 

Yeah I agree...although I think a little part of it is just Brian's inability to stay consistent.  And we have his mental troubles to blame for that.  It seems that Brian will praise anything just because a certain question is asked of him.   "Brian, what do you think of the "Surf's Up" album?"  "Oh, that's one of my favorites.  One of the best records I ever wrote.  Completely out of sight!"  Brian simply throws these statements out, but I don't think he actually believes them...but we all do. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 31, 2011, 02:16:58 PM
I believe Brian's created an alter Ego.  Interview man.  So when he goes into an interview, he turns into Interview man. 

Brian, what was it like recording ....(new album)....?

Brian:

"It was great! The Harmonies are out of sight!  We made it pretty, but some of it is Rock and Roll!  Like on ..... (insert any song).... , we really got the harmonies Just right!"

etc.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 31, 2011, 03:04:10 PM
haha yeah I can actually see that.  Brian does put on a different persona when he's being interviewed...if he's in the right mood.  It seems lately he's been quite bored with doing interviews and hasn't been afraid to show it....giving one word or 2 sentence answers and never really elaborating on any ideas/answers.  He gives rather exaggerated responses to questions which should teach us to never really take everything he says as gospel. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 31, 2011, 03:07:11 PM
The most shocking one was that interview a few years ago, where they actually left the raw footage in of Brian looking like he was going to sleep, then his assistant or whatever telling him to snap out of it and that they were going to have to redo the entire interview, etc. and then Brian looking like a scolded puppy afterwards, lol. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 31, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
The most shocking one was that interview a few years ago, where they actually left the raw footage in of Brian looking like he was going to sleep, then his assistant or whatever telling him to snap out of it and that they were going to have to redo the entire interview, etc. and then Brian looking like a scolded puppy afterwards, lol. 

Whoa, link?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 31, 2011, 03:20:28 PM
The most shocking one was that interview a few years ago, where they actually left the raw footage in of Brian looking like he was going to sleep, then his assistant or whatever telling him to snap out of it and that they were going to have to redo the entire interview, etc. and then Brian looking like a scolded puppy afterwards, lol. 

Whoa, link?

Yes, please....never saw such an interview! 

Wonder who would scold him like that?  Foskett?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: SMiLE Brian on October 31, 2011, 03:22:45 PM
The most shocking one was that interview a few years ago, where they actually left the raw footage in of Brian looking like he was going to sleep, then his assistant or whatever telling him to snap out of it and that they were going to have to redo the entire interview, etc. and then Brian looking like a scolded puppy afterwards, lol. 
Brian's people just need to leave him the heck alone. He just needs an honorable retirement at this point.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 31, 2011, 07:27:06 PM
No No, it was his assistant.  It was a pr interview, looked like it was like one of a bunch he was doing in a row.  I believe it was for that lucky old sun.  Maybe the Gershwin album.  They're asking him questions, and Brian's nodding off and closing his eyes, his assistant says "Wait, excuse me, Brian! You're going to have to start from the beginning, and stop closing your eyes," etc. or something like that.  Brian kind of looked startled and then protested he was fine and they could continue from there, then they kep asking questions, etc.  Pretty shitty to see, actually.  It was about 10 minutes long I believe.  Somebody here will remember what I'm talking about. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 31, 2011, 07:52:27 PM
Here it is.

http://www.livestream.com/aplive/video?clipId=pla_2e031817-b54b-46c2-97f9-ed7809e9cddd


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: joshferrell on October 31, 2011, 08:09:33 PM
wow  :( that makes me wonder how much control some people have over him..I'm going to guess it's either the medicines he's on making him "tired" or he's not tired but he's blocking out the world..


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 31, 2011, 08:43:02 PM
Here it is.

http://www.livestream.com/aplive/video?clipId=pla_2e031817-b54b-46c2-97f9-ed7809e9cddd


Thanks for finding it Ron...not sure how you finally located it!

That was tough to watch...Brian seemed very out of it...or sleepy?  Either way, his assistant was pretty harsh on him.  I believe that is Foskett in the room with Brian....he goes everywhere with him.

I did a meet and greet on the last tour and Jeff was much tougher on Brian than in this video (which is why I immediately assumed at first that it was him that was rude when you first brought this story up).  Jeff was dictating everything.  Brian signed some autographs and Jeff was very controlling:  "Brian, wait!  Hold on."  and then folded Brian's sleeves up.  At one point I wanted Brian to switch from a black pen to a silver pen to sign my "Surf's Up" album and Jeff came down on him with a very stern voice:  "Wait. Stop!"  Very much treating him like a child.  Spoke for him and spoke with great authority.

I'm not sure if Brian really needs this type of force though?  He's a harmless, soft spoken guy that isn't their to hurt anyone.  He doesn't need people around him being rude. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 31, 2011, 08:49:34 PM
The person talking to Brian is, I believe, Jean Sievers, his manager. She's with him during most of his interviews.

This is what she is paid to do.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 31, 2011, 08:51:28 PM
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I'm not sure if Brian really needs this type of force though?  He's a harmless, soft spoken guy that isn't their to hurt anyone.  He doesn't need people around him being rude. 

He needs it to protect him from crazy people. No joke. If you've seen some of the people who collar him at meet-and-greets ...


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 31, 2011, 08:58:41 PM
Yeah I don't hold any ill will towards Jean.  It's still shocking to watch, from the outside, though. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on October 31, 2011, 09:00:41 PM
I did a meet and greet on the last tour and Jeff was much tougher on Brian than in this video (which is why I immediately assumed at first that it was him that was rude when you first brought this story up).  Jeff was dictating everything.  Brian signed some autographs and Jeff was very controlling:  "Brian, wait!  Hold on."  and then folded Brian's sleeves up.  At one point I wanted Brian to switch from a black pen to a silver pen to sign my "Surf's Up" album and Jeff came down on him with a very stern voice:  "Wait. Stop!"  Very much treating him like a child.  Spoke for him and spoke with great authority.


Lord almighty.

I don't get it. The first part of the interview wasn't that disastrous. Yeah, Brian looked like he was about to fall asleep at any minute, but his answers were well thought out, so what's the problem? I've seen far worse interviews with other people.

I mean I don't know the guy, I don't know all of his story, but it very much does sound like he's being treated like a child here. It's puppet-like and it's a little disturbing and upsetting. They're talking to each other as if he isn't in the room, and I like the bit about "making it look more like you're having a conversation."

Again, I don't know the guy, but on more than one occasion in recent years I've thought, "Why can't they just leave this guy alone a little more? Why can't they just let him do his thing a little more instead of propping him up left and right?" It's obvious that he still enjoys writing and performing, but damn. Protecting him from crazies in public is one thing, but this?

He sounds fairly annoyed when he says "Good." :(


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: rab2591 on October 31, 2011, 09:11:01 PM
^ couldn't have said it better myself.

Besides being tired (and honestly, who wouldn't be with all those interviews?) he seemed very alert. He shuts his eyes for a few seconds and the whole room starts to dictate his every move. I can understand if they had a contractual obligation to record a tv-viewable interview - his assistant has a job to do (make Brian presentable) - but the way they spoke around him - just creepy. Plain and simple.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: jeffcdo on October 31, 2011, 09:20:43 PM
Hardly "shocking" he just seems tired and bored.  I looked like this in every 7am class I ever took.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 31, 2011, 09:24:04 PM
And the people he pays to help him sell the stuff he makes are helping him sell it.

I think it's also -- and this is where we go off-stage -- very hard to deal with Brian. He clearly wants to keep making music in some capacity, and he wants to promote it. He cared deeply about the Gershwin project. But he's also a pampered, lazy, mentally ill old man who changes his mind all the time.

So he's committed to do press, but he's falling asleep on camera. Wouldn't you be a little exasperated with the man?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Ron on October 31, 2011, 09:33:58 PM
What it comes down to is sometimes things aren't always pleasant.  Like Wirestone said he's mentally ill, he's old, he's an entertainer (which brings the whole 'fake' world of showbusiness along with it), he's by all sources a highly creative eccentric individual; plus he's sleepy in the interview, he's on medication, etc.  So yeah in a perfect world they could have treated him a little different (I would have)... but who knows what was going on that day.  Brian might have cussed her out 5 minutes before the cameras started rolling or something, hell we don't know what's going on, we just think we do.  

Like I said though, to me, it's still shocking to watch.  

On one hand, she was being rude to Brian, but to be honest, Brian was being rude to the interviewer. 


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 31, 2011, 10:06:44 PM
And the people he pays to help him sell the stuff he makes are helping him sell it.

I think it's also -- and this is where we go off-stage -- very hard to deal with Brian. He clearly wants to keep making music in some capacity, and he wants to promote it. He cared deeply about the Gershwin project. But he's also a pampered, lazy, mentally ill old man who changes his mind all the time.

So he's committed to do press, but he's falling asleep on camera. Wouldn't you be a little exasperated with the man?

You're raising some good points, Wirestone.  There is indeed an "other side" to this that we all don't see.  I also thought about this during my Foskett incident, coupled with this video Ron put up.  There must be a reason why they're so tough on him...or should I say strict.  

On one hand, she was being rude to Brian, but to be honest, Brian was being rude to the interviewer.  

It's still sort of hard for me to watch any interview with Brian...he can be rather short with people...and that definitely comes off as cold and rude.  I was recently watching the extra interviews on the BWPS DVD and the interviewer (David Leaf?) was sticking it to Brian with the questions, relentless.  Not dropping any points, constantly repeating, reiterating, just to get Brian to flush out a longer answer.  But Brian still stuck with short, quick answers.  Perhaps being "tough" on him is what gets through to him?  Even in this  AP video, you can kinda see Brian wake up and pep himself up a bit: "Ok let's go!  I'm good."

But I've sort of just  accepted that Brian can just be awkward.  Perhaps even more so when he's nervous.  He did a radio interview a few weeks ago and I was shocked to hear him sound, calm, coherent and interested in giving more than just a few words as answers.  Who knows...maybe it's the medication he's currently on that puts him on the rollercoaster we see him on?


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Wirestone on October 31, 2011, 10:17:46 PM
Tom Waits, in promoting his latest album, called PR "doing the dishes."

You know, in making an album you make the food (write the songs) and then feast on it (record and play them). The record documents that all. You've had your fun.

But then you have to go out and sell it. Tom makes doing the dishes look like fun.

Brian makes it look like -- well, he makes it look like doing the dishes.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on October 31, 2011, 10:20:49 PM
But then you have to go out and sell it. Tom makes doing the dishes look like fun.

I rather enjoyed Tom's "Listening Party" video for his new album...hilarious.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Iron Horse-Apples on November 01, 2011, 05:04:20 AM
Here it is.

http://www.livestream.com/aplive/video?clipId=pla_2e031817-b54b-46c2-97f9-ed7809e9cddd


Thanks for finding it Ron...not sure how you finally located it!

That was tough to watch...Brian seemed very out of it...or sleepy?  Either way, his assistant was pretty harsh on him.  I believe that is Foskett in the room with Brian....he goes everywhere with him.

I did a meet and greet on the last tour and Jeff was much tougher on Brian than in this video (which is why I immediately assumed at first that it was him that was rude when you first brought this story up).  Jeff was dictating everything.  Brian signed some autographs and Jeff was very controlling:  "Brian, wait!  Hold on."  and then folded Brian's sleeves up.  At one point I wanted Brian to switch from a black pen to a silver pen to sign my "Surf's Up" album and Jeff came down on him with a very stern voice:  "Wait. Stop!"  Very much treating him like a child.  Spoke for him and spoke with great authority.

I'm not sure if Brian really needs this type of force though?  He's a harmless, soft spoken guy that isn't their to hurt anyone.  He doesn't need people around him being rude. 

I've seen the way Jeff treats Brian first hand too.

And why can't he do an interview with his eyes closed? He's Brian Wilson. Makes me angry to hear the lack of respect these people have. I'm just glad he got a bit irritable and tried to take control of the situation.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: Justin on November 01, 2011, 01:01:34 PM
Just read this and thought it was relevant to our discussion...


It's True: Brian Wilson Will Be at Fingerprints Tomorrow!
The word "legend" applies only to a few people on this planet. One of those people is Brian Wilson. The man behind the Beach Boys is a bona fide musical genius and most certainly a legend in my book, which is why everyone reading this should stop what they are doing and go to Fingerprints in Long Beach right now because Wilson will be there Tuesday at 7 p.m. signing copies of the Smile Sessions box set.

Pretty awesome, right? Right.

However -- and it pains me to say this -- don't expect much from Wilson other than his signature on your record. I "met" Wilson once and have done two phone interviews with him and to say he is uncomfortable around people he doesn't know is like saying Pet Sounds is just "some record."

The time I "met" him went like this: I was backstage at a Brian Wilson/Paul Simon show at the Greek Theatre. There was a small room of about 20 people waiting for the post-gig meet and greet, which should have been titled the "Brian Wilson walks into a doorway, sees 20 people waiting for him, makes a face like he caught his parents having sex, then tries to escape before anyone notices but can't because the entire room starts clapping as he is quietly high-tailing it out of there."


I waited for everyone to take pictures and have Wilson sign things. I was one of the final four people in the room. The pressure was too much and his mental exhaustion was apparent. I decided that I was such a Brian Wilson fan that the only thing to do was to leave him alone. So I did.

On a side note, Paul McCartney walked four feet away from me on this same night, so within an hour I was within spitting distance of my two favorite bass-playing, song-writing singers from '60s pop groups.

About those two interviews...I could literally write 10,000 words on them. I had approximately 60 questions for him (which I knew was way too many) and assumed I'd get through maybe 10 or 15. Five minutes later, we've got through all my questions because all I was getting was one-word answers. At best, he'd respond with an actual sentence that went something like, "Because I wanted to." I prepared myself for the second interview and instead posed questions that forced to him to answer. Technically, this time went better in the same way as saying that having your pinkie finger chopped off is better than having both of your pinkie fingers chopped off.

That said, you should go. He's Brian friggin' Wilson and last I checked, social anxiety and all, that's still an opportunity you don't want to pass on. Plus, you get the chance to purchase the new Smile Sessions box set, which according to Amazon.com (where I get all my product information from), includes five CDs, two LPs, two seven-inch singles and a 60-page bound book detailing the lost-then-found Smile sessions. This is important because those who heard Smile claimed it was the best record ever, but all we ever really got from the aborted project (it's a long story, but basically Smile is credited as a major influence on Wilson's mental decline) was snippets of songs across Beach Boys records and the Good Vibrations: Thirty Years of the Beach Boys box set. There's also Wilson's 2004 solo rendition of Smile, which is pretty darn amazing, but (call me an elitist) I want, no need, to hear those Beach Boys vocals whenever I hear a Brian Wilson song.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/2011/10/brian_wilson_at_fingerprints_o.php


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: anazgnos on November 01, 2011, 01:28:00 PM
I'm going to the Fingerprints thing tonight and that kind of dovetails with how I feel about it.  I mean it's incredible, I couldn't be more excited just to be in the room with the guy.  If you'd told me 10 years ago that one day I'd have Brian freaking Wilson handing me a signed copy of Smile my head would have exploded.  But the thought that these events are just kind of the result of people cracking the whip behind his back is unsettling.  I mean if I get a chance to make eye contact and say "thank you" that's about the maximum I'm hoping for.  I don't want to be one of the people trying to have a forced "moment" with the guy and making his day more difficult.


Title: Re: New studio album (Ocean Way sessions)
Post by: runnersdialzero on November 01, 2011, 01:44:44 PM
I mean if I get a chance to make eye contact and say "thank you" that's about the maximum I'm hoping for.  I don't want to be one of the people trying to have a forced "moment" with the guy and making his day more difficult.

Yer a good kid.