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Meanwhile: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSjxacaccs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSjxacaccs)

I like that performance of Dont Worry Baby from 1987 thats on youtube.

Back when Jeff joined the touring band, his falsetto added a missing piece to the Beach Boys show. They had been lacking a strong falsetto voice for years, especially with the background vocals. When Matt Jardine joined up in the 90's, his voice was even closer to Brian's and really filled out the vocals nicely. I don't know how Matt's voice sounds like these days, but he may have been a better fit in Brian's band than Jeff, at least on the studio albums. Though, I think Jeff's voice is perfectly fine in the live setting.

Jeff's songs are about as good as The Sunraysz.

Jeff certainly sounds better than Adrian Baker!

This thread should be about why we don't like Adrian Baker.

Baker wouldn't be out of place in a Four Seasons cover band, but doing Brian's parts... >:( :( :o ??? :P :-[ :-X :-\ :'( >:D :angry :wall :smash :whatever :deadhorse

I dunno, I thought Baker did a great job on the Queen Mary in 1981!  :P

Matt Jardine.   HE should be the CEO of Falsetto.   He still sounds great.  Just as good as did on the 1993 Red Barn Rehearsals!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT3E3Xw9ZFM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLFDE07CE7E70DF2E0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_yoEEN0tBQ

Matt rules on Hushabye and DWB in those videos. Wonder what Brian would have sounded like in his 40s and 50s  if he didn't mess up his voice.

Unfortunately, the Hushabye video doesn't show Carl in a good light.  Those still shots show him smiling, but he obviously doesn't look well.

hopefully nothing like matt jardine on don't worry baby there... ouch. no wonder brian became embarrassed about his high voice.

Give me Brian's classic voice over his crappy 15 big ones and love you voice anyday.

if by crappy you mean manly and distinguished, gravely like a grizzly bear, wild and untamed like nature, imperfect and unapologetic, strange and alluring, frightening, like your weird uncle that your mom told you not to end up alone with at parties

Yeah, upon a couple more listens, Matt doesn't sound all that good on Don't Worry Baby. A bit strained there........

Saw him in Big Sur last year and he sounded very good with the band though.

Can't stand his voice. "Grating" defined. He should not be singing lead at a Brian concert. It's a Brian concert. He should not be singing something as "important" to the Brian Wilson/Beach Boys canon as "Don't Worry Baby". His alterations to the lead vocal on the chorus "California Girls" are obnoxious. The fact that he hates Love You, among other things, makes him go from bad to worse.

Matt Jardine isn't great (if the DWB video posted is any indication, although he sounds nice on "Don't Fight The Sea"), but is still worlds more tolerable than Foskett. I haven't heard enough to judge, but anything other than the DWB video has shown promise. If anyone, he should be doing the falsetto in the "blend" of any potential reunion tour. Alas, Foskett will push for himself to get the role and will get it.

Adrian Baker is friggin' terrible. Whoever sings "Don't Worry Baby" as part of the Beach Boys touring group is also awful.

I don't care if they have to play the song 20 steps down, the song just does not sound right unless Brian, in his aboslute best 1964 voice or in at his shoddiest my-brain-is-elsewhere 2011 voice that comes up from time to time, is singing it. I've never heard anyone imitate him well. Doesn't necessarily mean I don't think anyone else should sing it, but Brian is still alive. Let him sing his Gosh Darn song, please.

Adrian singing what he should be singing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9BKCF5bwqU&feature=related

While I'm not denying Jeffrey's talent as a musician. This terrible. "We love the sun, we love having fun" Wow what deep poetic lyrics. This is the kind of music that if you like this you would play it when no one's around to save yourself the embarrassment. I apologize to any fans, but isn't this exactly the kind of cheesy music that Brian wanted to get away from during PS and SMiLE?

I think the real issue here is how much he took from the Sunrays' I Live For The Sun.

That being said, I do take issue with your insinuation that Brian "wanted to get away from" his earlier surf music. I think he was no more trying to get away from it than The Beatles were trying to get away from Please Please Me when they made Revolver. Wanting to do something different is not the same thing as turning your back on what you have done previously. I don't think Brian has ever put down the surf period, nor should he.

While I'm sure he loves the material, his smashing of the gold record for Endless Summer kinda says otherwise. Wanting to be a better songwriter, not wanting to regress and everyone trying to make you regress (generally in the name of cash) is something completely different from someone just turning their back on their older material. The Jeff song posted here is indeed seemingly something Brian wanted to get away from. Brian's current image being that of the forced "Sun/fun" one is fairly disgusting, and I'm positive he has nothing to do with it.

That's really not my impression of his current image at all. I mean, if you look at the TLOS and BWRG PR shots, for example, his folks seem to be taking a lot of effort to present him as a dignified elder statesman.

And he is the one who told everyone a couple of years back that he really wanted to make an album called "Pleasure Island" ...

(http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/news/43576/header.jpg)

 :lol

(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image//13815dbcaa6c3c5f5e39ecb9f399f64ac898447_r.png)

Jeff sounds fine to me.  Sometimes I think people want anyone Brian sings with to sound like re-incarnations of Carl and Dennis, and the Beach Boys blend of old.  Well, you know, nothing can ever duplicate that, so we simply have to play the hand we're dealt.  I'm content to do that.  I've always thought that Brian has surrounded himself with a good group of supportive musicians and singers who are devoted to him and his music.  That devotion covers a multitude of imperfections for me.

runners, that is a single piece of cover art. You might as well put up this one, from a year earlier:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3e/Brian_Wilson_Reimagines_Gershwin.jpeg/220px-Brian_Wilson_Reimagines_Gershwin.jpeg)

That really screams sun and fun, doesn't it?

An album that was released a month ago is more current than an album that was released a year ago.

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg) (http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg)

(http://www.sweetslyrics.com/images/img_gal/1572_brian_wilson_2.jpg)
(http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/artists/304x304/brian-wilson.jpg)
(http://exclaim.ca/images/brian.jpg)

Come on. Admit the picture I posted above is the most disgusting image of Brian you've ever seen. The Gershwin thing was a very short-lived "HE AN SOPHISTICATED ARTISTS JUST LIKE PET SOUNDS" gimmick they had going for him, right down to his manner of dress and appearance. But before and after, it was mostly "HE AN FUN AND SUN ELDER STATESMEN CALIFORNIA GIRLS GENIUS CALIFORNIA CALIFORNIA FUN AND SUN"

The image you posted was an ad for a single concert. Here are some other concert ad pictures, from before and after the date you selected.
(http://www.jazzage.org/classicrock/london/images/bwilson3.jpg)

(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/60130/4a0f0f7f88a6e_60130n.jpg)

(http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/1557387/aview/1305063448968_brianwilsonwilternposter.JPG)

The point is, the photo exists in the first place.

Also,

(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk231/Peptoe/bw_1.jpg)

are there any other artists more misrepresented than bdw?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic. I wouldn't say he's grossly misrepresented or anything, just to the extent that it irks me a bit. Brian is about half "California Girls" and half Love You, but the folks who're running the show in his camp would be mortified if the latter was ever let on by him at any point or in any way. They act as if the guy disappeared off the face of the earth in '66 and only reappeared in the late '90s.

"It's all just 'Little Deuce Coupe' to him. I said, 'Don't you realize Brian Wilson is essentially a 20th-century avant-garde pop genius?' And he went, 'Avant-garde? Not the Brian Wilson I know.'"

From same interview/recollection of O'Hagan (and I'm quoting from memory)

"Brian, let's make a record."
"You want to make a record with me? Wow! I'll give you a number one!"
"No, no, no, Brian, you don't have to do that. Let's get some of the old guys in, Hal, Carol, and the wrecking crew and cut the songs you wanna cut."
".......You don't want a number one?"


I don't think even Brian Wilson realises he's a 20th Century Avant-garde genius. He just likes making REALLY FLIPPING GREAT RECORDS and MAKING MONEY. Sometimes the two dovetail nicely. Sometimes they don't. 

Wait, what are these quotes from?

When Sean O'Hagan told a magazine about his experiences in trying to make a record with Brian and the beach boys.

http://uncanny1.blogspot.com/2005/05/brian-wilsonandy-paleysean-ohagan.html

Here ya go, originally from Uncut, I think

It kind of bothers me when he's like "it is strong. it is good" in the Beautiful Dreamer documentary. Anybody else know the part? He's on a couch with Van Dyke Parks. I had to rewind it like 4 times.

this is the worse "fun in the sun" photo I have ever seen..way worse then the one above..lol
(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9157/628041.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/88/628041.jpg/)

I think I can top that one, Josh...  ;D

(http://i55.tinypic.com/2dq828.jpg)

Erm, isn't Van Dyke saying that to Brian?

Surely it has occurred to him at some point after Smile that albums work best as a form of artistic expression, and not a collection of pop tunes...? Hasn't it? Judging by his surprised reaction to such an outrageous suggestion, ("WHAT? AN ALBUM THAT ISN'T 12 SONGS MADE FOR THE RADIO? WHAT IS THIS, RUBBER SOUL?") I don't think it's occurred to anybody else either, other than Sean O'Hagan and Van Dyke Parks.

Listening to Gideon Gaye and Your Imagination back-to-back is a nightmare of what-ifs.

Watch it again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agEKI0pyP6Y&feature=youtu.be

Man, I was right - Van Dyke says it first! You can't call Jeff some creep for AGREEING with him.

No, you weren't right! Van Dyke says "This is strong and good."

The slightly different wording of what Jeff says sounds like some sort of praise giving automaton. IT IS STRONG. IT IS GOOD. PRAISE BE TO MASTER. ERROR ERROR>

lolololol

Yeah, but did it occur to you that perhaps Brian needs this type of reassurance? He is Brian Douglas Wilson, after all...

Ah yes, but as we all know Jeff is the devil incarnate, so he couldn't possibly be doing something so simple as encouraging an insecure friend of 20 or so years in a time of intense pressure.