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what do you think will be the album to take it's place as the most famous unreleased album of all times..I  want to throw in Jan Berry's version of "filet of soul","get back" (with original mixes/concept) or "carnival of light" (both by the Beatles) as contenders..any thoughts?

The Who - Lifehouse

Carnival of Light will probably be the next fuss

The Beach Boys - Smile

My reasoning? It was never finished. Therefore it's unreleased. We're getting a box set of the sessions. Period.

The whole concept behind that album is totally insane. Pete Townshend during that period was 20 times crazier than Brian. Finishing SMiLE is a cake walk compared to Lifehouse because Lifehouse CANNOT be finished as Pete wanted it in 1971.

You'd have to be if you'd give up LSD for a fat Iranian mute.

Just finished reading this book: http://www.richieunterberger.com/Who70s.html

Really interesting to get even more info about Lifehouse. Talk about an ambitious project!!

Unreleased album ? Sweet Insanity fer sure...  :lol

Honestly, I don't know, I would like to think something that is releasable and good, such as David Bowie's album "Toy". In the words of Asia, Only time will tell.

All they could do with Lifehouse is release a comp of all the pertinent songs of the period.  I agree with the previous poster that there's no way it could be resurrected as Townshend envisioned it, because from what I gather, he expected miraculous sh*t to happen.  They could have made the movie, recorded the songs and left it at that, and it would have been cool - Townshend wanted something way beyond that though.
As regards Smile, there was no album, damn shame - cos it would have been big at the the time (and I don't care what anyone says - at THAT time, it would have been), but what we have (pr will have) is an awesome archival release - FINALLY! 

Folks, LIFEHOUSE was already released a decade ago...

http://www.amazon.com/Lifehouse-Chronicles-6-CD-Boxset-Townshend/dp/B004K4CSVG/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1314497946&sr=1-3

Multiple incarnations as well but the 6 CD box had everything.

And wasn't "Carnival of Light" just an 18 minute experimental sound collage?  Not really an album, right?

How about the following. Bearing in mind you could probably start a decent sized thread on unreleased Neil Young albums......

Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Human Highway

Exactly.  It amuses me just how much people are over-scrutinizing this release.  No matter how well they put these fragments together, there will still be noticeable holes were vocals should have been.  I think there well be more than a few people who walk away from this not completely satisfied.

And technically speaking, SMiLE did see an official release back in 2004...

No incorrect BWPS was released.

Adult/Child?

Weezer's "Songs from the Black Hole," or Get Back

"'California Feeling,' With 'Lucy Jones' and Other Big Ones - The best of Brian Unbooted"  ;D

Alright, I looked up the Who's album idea.  I'm not intelligent enough to understand what he was trying to do there, so instead I'm now going to focus on Weezer's unreleased album.

BTW, don't you think that Rivers' personality is the type, that he may eventually return to that album and complete it?  Also he does so much recording on his own, hell he's probably still got the tapes. 

Excellent thread - I'll get back to you once I've finished running round in small circles gibbering and waving my arms in the air. 

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How about Captain Beefheart's original Bat Chain Puller?

See http://www.beefheart.com/datharp/albums/boots/bcp.htm (http://www.beefheart.com/datharp/albums/boots/bcp.htm)

I'm hoping for something like that. If anything he will probably release most of the songs in some compilation. Some of the demos have been released already.

Lifehouse is a pretentious concept. I find Meher Baba and his fanboys nauseating. Any experience of communal harmony ['vibrating purely together'] is as useless, worthless, and meaningless as anything else as far all I care. reject God's Love - sorry big daddy {Meher baba}.

pete never actually went far on acid at all although he thinks he did. he got into the persian gypsy too soon and stopped his progress. now he's just a monotheist dreaming of meher baba's stubdik every night praying to the guy/. wow, what a joke. oh meher baba you are so cool, god incarnate, wow!!!!

that's how crazy pete townshend is - forget al jardine singing songs to cute asian bitches, Townsend believes that a fat Iranian gypsy - WAS GOD. IS. STILL. somewhere.

Townshend had a very good system working, and with "Lifehouse Sampler" he actually created a series of questions that'd write you YOUR OWN One note!

It may be, but any album that would have included "Won't Get Fooled Again", " Pure & Easy", "Baba O'Reilly", "Join Together", "Greyhound Girl", and "Relay", would have been f***ing incredible, regardless of how much a "pretentious concept" it is.

It was actually gonna have Sister Disco and Who Are You on it too lol.

I'm betting that was later on, not in 1971.

Lifehouse Chronicles features demos of both songs.

I don't have LC...when were they demoed/written?  I always assumed they were written closer to 1978.

Not the most famous, but I'd love to see "The 'Can't Wait Too Long' Sessions."

they were intended to be a part of the original tracklisting, the who version of lifehouse 1971.

Yeah I'm pretty excited for the unreleased albums that will (eventually) be released as a part of Archives Vol. 2

"Four unreleased albums from this period are being rebuilt and will be available in the NYA Special Release Series. Chrome Dreams, Homegrown and Oceanside-Countryside are the three unreleased studio albums. Also from this period is the unreleased Odeon-Budokan live recording produced by David Briggs and Tim Mulligan. These albums initially will be released in vinyl from analog masters as they originally were created for that format."

OK, thanks.  But I thought "Who Are You" was written after an altercation with some punk rockers...or does the demo have different lyrics?

I'm fairly sure they were written for a later attempt (of which there were a few) at completing Lifehouse circa 1977, and were not part of the original album as conceived in 1970/71.

FWIW, here's a tracklisting, based on the order Pete put them in on Lifehouse Chronicles

"Teenage Wasteland" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Going Mobile" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley" (Who's Next)
"Time Is Passing" (Who Came First) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Love Ain't for Keeping" (Who's Next)
"Bargain" (Who's Next)
"Too Much of Anything" (Odds & Sods) (recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Music Must Change" (Who Are You)
"Greyhound Girl" (Live at Lyon) (Believed to have been recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Mary" (Scoop)[3] (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Behind Blue Eyes" (Who's Next)
"Baba O'Riley (Instrumental)" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]
"Sister Disco'" (Who Are You)
"I Don't Even Know Myself" (Rarities Volume II)
"Put the Money Down" (Odds & Sods)
"Pure and Easy" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Getting in Tune" (Who's Next)
"Let's See Action" (Who Came First) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)
"Slip Kid" (The Who by Numbers)
"Relay" (Hooligans)
"Who Are You" (Who Are You)
"Join Together" (Hooligans)
"Won't Get Fooled Again" (Who's Next)
"The Song Is Over" (Who's Next)

I think we got the better deal anyway with "Who's Next." It's concise and rockin'.  IMHO, the full "Pure & Easy" would've been a much better choice than "Love Ain't for Keeping," but "Join Together" and "Relay" are of lesser quality than the rest of the songs that made the final cut.

Who's next is the anti-Smiley Smile in terms of public reception.

This is more my understanding too.  I just checked copyrights and "Sister Disco" and "Who Are You" were copyrighted 1978 (not a guarantee they weren't written much earlier, but if they had been intended for 1971 Lifehouse I think they would have an earlier copyright).  A Who version of "Mary" has never turned up...kind of a Who holy grail for me as I find the Townshend demo very haunting.  In subsequent performances he plays it acoustically, and I wonder if The Who would have made it sound more like "Behind Blue Eyes." 

In the original "Odds and Sods" liner notes, even Townshend expresses surprise that "Pure & Easy" didn't make it on the album. 

Carnival of Light was to be an album?
I thought it was just a song.

From what AGD has said, it's nothing to write home about

Join Together is one of my all time favorite Who tunes.  It and Pure and Easy would have been nice additions to Who's Next, but it's kcikin' album as it is too.  An incredible leap for them sonically/production wise - must have blown minds at the time.  

Mary, Pete's Solo Who Are You (Better, IMO) and Teenage Wasteland (NOT BABA O' RILEY) Make the set worth every penny.

I seem to remember reading something about a tape of the version of "Mary" by The Who showing up, but the tape being so damaged as to be unusable.

I've read that too, but always have hoped maybe a rough mix cassette would show up under Pete's sink.  I guess not just the Beach Boys have had a hard time keeping their tape archives intact.

In the words of George Carlin: "Are we gonna go through this sh*t again?"

Whn needs Lifehouse when we already have The Who Sell Out?

No they weren't. That was from another attempt at Lifehouse several years later, with some newly written material.

Pharoah the Great recorded 4300 BC. But the tapes were destroyed in the Red Sea collapse in pursuit of the Israelites.

That's like saying why do we need Pet Sounds when we have Beach Boys Party?

Why do we need that pretentious heap of overproduction anyway when just as much tender emotion is found in places on Party and just as much youthful enthusiastic idealism.

Because popular recording artists need to continue making records in order to sustain their career.

Brian Wilson finally caved to corporate pressure and made Pet Sounds. But his heart lay in Party and Smile, then Smiley, then Honey, were all attempts at recapturing the glory days of Party before Pet Sounds came along like the proverbial harbinger of death and disintegration [Caroline No is a bleak ending].

Weezer played Blast Off! for the first time ever in Seattle last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUoAcWSipE&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUoAcWSipE&feature=related)

hey hey, I graduated from college in 09 thank you very much.   ;D

sure, it was a 4 year degree that took 6 years...but it takes time to make decisions on what one wants to do the rest of their life.

I think the next big money maker once the Smile Sessions box has run it course must be the long awaited "Summer In Paradise Sessions" boxset. Alan and Mark are getting ready to trawl through the vaults once more in search of sessions and outtakes stemming from this landmark album. Fans will salivate at the thought of Mike's X-rated 'naughty' version of Summer of Love, where he catalogues "California Girls style" all the women he given it to doggy style. Will the mythical 15 minute version of John Stamo's Forever be located? We can but hope. Maybe they will stumble on the original album mastertapes labelled "Summer in Paradise - Good version". The deluxe edition will come with a flashing surfboard, a pair of Bruce's tighty white shorts, one of Mike's illegitimate children and a beautiful 900 page book written by Mike Love on how great Mike Love is. And of course it will be signed by Mike, Bruce and John but not Al as he is having 'attitude problems'. Preorders on Amazon will be for $110 but the price is likely to drop to $2.99 after a couple of days. Get saving now SmileySmilers!!!!!!! 

:lol
I can honestly say, that is the only Beach Boys album I have neither owned nor heard, and it was released at the very apex of my obsesssion with them.

No Brian, no buy

The “SIP” album was apparently a relatively early instance of an album being recorded entirely on computer-based software and hardware. I think the album liner notes list the equipment. It was recorded with ProTools on an Apple Macintosh Quadra or some such thing. In any event, I’ve always wondered if they have any backups or the original hard drives or whatever medium that stuff would been stored on. Either outtakes or even the multi-tracks for the finished songs would presumably have to be culled from those sources. I suppose they may have backed the stuff up on DAT or some other non-computer based media. Anybody familiar with how the material for this album is archived, if it is at all?

Not forgetting the original Chrome Dreams, the original Old Ways + a host of others by Neil......

(retches)

Don't overlook Bowie's original "Outside" album.  Cut to PIECES because of the record company, the original version is supposedly about 90 minutes long - here's what wikipedia has on it -

"Outside was originally conceived in March 1994, based on a three and a half hour jam session between David Bowie, Brian Eno and the other musicians involved in the project. Bowie wanted to release the raw versions of the jams as a double album titled "Leon", but was unable to find a record label willing to distribute something that was so uncommercial. A number of original tracks from this jam session have leaked on the Internet and are called by fans the Outside Outtakes.

The Outtakes appear on the final album in their rawest form as the segues that are scattered throughout it, albeit edited considerably. "I Am With Name", for instance is 22 minutes long in the Outtakes' version, as well as other songs (such as one noted by Reeves Gabrels to be titled "The Enemy is Fragile" and one with a similar sound to "The Motel" called "We'll Creep Together")."

If you haven't heard the Outtakes, hunt it down - hard to piece together Tah-RIPPY listening and something that should satiate the puzzle-solver in any SMiLE-o-phile!  His last great musical outting.

Yeah I'm pretty excited for the unreleased albums that will (eventually) be released as a part of Archives Vol. 2

"Four unreleased albums from this period are being rebuilt and will be available in the NYA Special Release Series. Chrome Dreams, Homegrown and Oceanside-Countryside are the three unreleased studio albums. Also from this period is the unreleased Odeon-Budokan live recording produced by David Briggs and Tim Mulligan. These albums initially will be released in vinyl from analog masters as they originally were created for that format."

Didn't Echo & The Bunnymen scrap a whole albums worth of material trying to follow up Ocean Rain? Would like to get my hands on that.

Ah, I love the Bunnymen. A lot of that's available on the expanded edition of the grey album released a few years back, as well as the Crystal Days box set. Check it out. Personally I found those tracks interesting historically, but a little aimless, trying to find their way (kind of like the earliest Porcupine mixes which were often largely repetitive riffs in D).