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I have a feeling I'm going to get myself in trouble for this, but I'll risk it. I was talking to Denni last night, and she told me that the reason she hasn't been back here is because she was banned. Why was she banned? I don't remember her posting anything overly rude or anything abusive or anything like that.

maybe the drama was too much.  ???

Didn't she have a major freak out because somebody was harassing her and then it turned out that the person harassing her was herself. That stuff with Denni was pretty idiotic, I never really bought her story to begin with.

She banned herself, to save her from herself. It's her own perfect world!

I'd like to know too. I thought was was really cool

That pic of herself was awfully convincing that she was Dennis' kid. Who knows....it was probably 'Nobody' taking the piss out of us.

Either way, I remember several posts had been deleted due to a high volume of obscenities....but my memory may be wrong. Around this time she explained that her ex-boyfriend's girlfriend was a member of the smiley smile board (coincidence much?) and she had gotten Denni's password for her smiley account, and had been posting under her name. Then she started getting stalked by a fellow board member. The drama was too much for everyone here. And thus I think she got the boot.

All I know is, she told me that she's tried to log in, and it keeps telling her that she's banned. Most of the replies in this thread are a good example of why she left in the first place.

That doesn't seem very fair at all to me. The people causing all the drama were the ones at fault, not her.

I was very involved with the whole "stalking" thing..

The member who was so called "stalking" her was PM'ing me a lot while I was emailing Denni giving her some support after he father tragically passed on,

The whole thing was beyond crazy and was best laid to rest quickly, too much madness for one board.

She was probably a troll looking for attention. She just kept posting pictures of herself then deleting them and acting all indignant about it. The first time she popped up was really conspicuous, asking how to post a picture of herself in the main forum. It was all pretty fishy.

She had asked me to ban her when all the sh*t went down. She never asked me to unban her, so I hadn't.

I was just curios, as she didn't seem to know why she couldn't get back in. I guess we can let this thread go then...

Sounds like you're more than curious. And given that SHE was the one that asked to be banned, it's kind of funny that she's now Playing YOU, and saying she doesn't know why she's banned.  If you ask she'll probably tell you she wasn't the one that asked for the banning, but instead it was "That Other Person" that stole her password...
Yeah, she sounds like one mixed up person. Hopefully, NOT our problem.

Seems to me that YOU are the one more than just curios, or you wouldn't be calling me out like you are now. If you must know, yes I am curios, because she's a friend and I was somewhat angered by the fact that she seemingly got banned for something. Now that Billyc(sorry, I'm not going to attempt his current name lol) has cleared it up, I see no more point of this thread. Let's let it end without any more drama.

ya'll are retarded, seriously

thank you

Why would someone ask to be banned? Could she not resist the temptation of posting? Or was she afraid that her stalker would post in her name-- and if so, why wouldn't she just ask for a new account?

I thought maybe she was legit but just had some emotional problems/liked attention. She kept storming out and then posting again. But then, speculation about someone I don't know is really unfair. All I know is, people do crazy things on message boards.

I agree with Amy. She liked attention.

The whole situation was stupid. She kept coming back after saying she was leaving. There was also a lesbian subplot, I think. And she knew that since she was a female, lonely guys on internet boards would pay attention to her. 

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I dunno who banned her but that is really fucking stupid. She's a real chick, I've chatted with her several times and she's cool. Why would you ban Dennis Wilson's youngest kid from a board paying tribute to him????  Makes no sense..............................

She asked to be banned. You know...removing the temptation. Sure, it's very Kevorkian in nature, but...

I did it because she asked me to...no other reason.

FRIGGIN' STUPID, YA HEAR?!  :p

:lol

Same reason they made Brian Wilson's illegitimate son a moderator...

I had a feeling making this thread would be a bad idea.  ::) Dennis might have been Denni's biological father, but she has more of Brian's traits. She's a very sensitive and somewhat "fragile" person. So whenever somebody says anything negative about her, she takes it harder than most people. Many people here might have been joking around, or thought they were joking around, but she really did take it hard. That's all I have to say on the subject.

YOU SAID YOU WOULDN'T TELL ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree that she seemed quite sensitive about certain things.

And as nice as she is and as cool as it would be to have Dennis Wilson's daughter posting here, I think it would be like dropping a cat into a tank of sharks. Again.

But if she can handle dealing with people on the internet being jackasses, I say we welcome her with open arms. (No I'm not a jackass.  :))

Jackass!

She did not appear to have any of Brian's traits from what I can see - she talked about getting into fights with people previously in her life (normally fragile and sensitive people do not get into many fights - nor are they as outspoken as Denni appeared to be). She talked about how the person responsible for her account hack would pay for what they did. She was not shy - she spoke her mind freely and divulged quantities of information of her day to day life with us (including pictures of herself). This does not sound like the Brian I have read about. Just sayin'...

She never said she was Brian's kid... am I missing something?  ???

Yeah, you missed the part where Jonas revealed that the board is staffed entirely by the ill-gotten fruits of Brian's loins  ;D

I honestly don't know about Denni. I kinda got off the bus when the whole lesbian stalker thing got going, as that was a steaming batch of WTF.

Jay mentioned how Dennis Wilson may be Denni's biological father, but she carries more of Brian's traits than Dennis'. And thus I pointed out the inconsistencies with that statement based on her posts.

To be fair I know nothing about her true self...and i'd venture to guess it's possible no one else here does either. The Internet is not a place for trusting personal conversations (especially with people whom you never met in person)...for you never know who you are really talking to (case and point: Denni's account apparently being hacked - half of us were conversing with someone who was not Denni)...it is a sad but proven fact of the internet.

Anyways, I wish her well in life. Well, back to :wall waiting for the SMiLE release ;D

Taking a look at her facebook account she has a lot of "big name" friends that would seem to  imply there was something to her story. I dunno though. Don't matter a hill-a-beans to me either way.  :3d

Sure, that's possible; and she may really be one of Dennis' illegitimate children. Personally, I don't really care at this point. Now if she starts channeling Dennis' spirit....
But Facebook is full of people that have names as friends where the people have just "accepted" without knowing who's who.

I have Billy H, Dom Priore, Brian Chidester, Jon Stebbins, and a couple of Brian`s band members as Facebook "friends", as do many other fans on FB. I don`t know any of them personally and would be a "fan" instead of friend if that were an available option.

Seems odd to be resurrecting this thread almost two years on, but as some of you may know, there's been a goodly degree of kerfuffle on FB regarding this person of late, as a result of some accusations they leveled. Some of us decided to do some further digging, and believe me, that didn't go down well at all. This process is ongoing but, given the results - or rather non-results - to date, the inescapable fact seems to be that the person posting as "Denni Leann" has created multiple online personalities (in order to 'support' herself), and that none of her claims can be thus far independently verified. In fact, the vast majority of her claims rest wholly on her say-so. The following people on Facebook demonstrated a writing style very similar to "Denni":

Lori Howard (her mom, allegedly)
Mariana Cage
Kira Howard (sister in law, allegedly)
Pam Wagner
Tracey Lawrence
Michael Simpson

Also, compare these two photos:

(http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/2006/29/13113567_113865369334.jpg)

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Top one is Loretta I. Benson, bottom is (allegedly) Lori Howard, the mother of "Denni". Pretty similar, given the 20-year gap.

According to Find-A-Grave, " Jimmy always had a smile on his face. He was fun to be around everyone loved him. He was married to Lori, and had 1 daughter Denni." He was killed racing his boat 4/28/91. Lori is still alive, as is Denni (Denise Chevonne). Snag is, or rather snags are, Denni was born in fall 1967, and Lori (Loretta I. Kimmell) married Benson in 1977, right after his divorce from Denni's real mom. And this is the least crazy part of the entire farrago.

What a mess. The internet is full of crazy people.

And most of them seem to be Beach Boys fans.  ;D

Wow. She never sat 100 percent right with me.

Whoever she is, she struck me as batshit crazy. Drama magnet. Whether she is or isn't Dennis' daughter.

So did she make fake profiles here as well?

There's good reason to believe that one of the posters who 'attacked' her - sherryluvsbrian aka Sherry A Hutsell - was another of her alter egos.

They had IP addresses from the same area, the same writing style, and IIRC "Denni" said something along the lines of "sherryluvsbrian was just a friend bullying me", but for some reason, that "friend" was registered on the board several years before "Denni". Seems like quite a coincidence.

I thought it had been established long ago that this was fake.

edit:
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10193.msg183296.html#msg183296 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10193.msg183296.html#msg183296)
and
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10204.msg183306.html#msg183306 (http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,10204.msg183306.html#msg183306)

Can you send those links to me via PM? I'm on my cellphone and can't copy/paste but I need them for later.

 Thanks in advance.

Done!  8)

This whole situation gets stranger & stranger. Now, after checking those threads SloopJohnB gave the links to, I can't say for sure if I'm for or against Denni. It's almost unbelievable to have 2 different people post in the same MB from the same computer. I mean why would anyone let someone from their friends or relatives log into the MB from their own computer, let alone under the same nick? Idk, if Denni knew that sherryluvsbrian isn't good, how she allowed her accessing to her computer? This is all very suspicious.

"Teresa Lawrence" (sorry, got the name wrong) just posted on her suddenly deactivated FB profile that she has no idea who this "Denni" is. Odd, that, because earlier today several of my friends got this:

11:44
Teresa Lawrence
I will stay on his tail as long as it takes to show who he really is. I can't let him catch me here. I shall return. Matt will be exposed. I will not let him do me the way he did Denni. We will talk again.

Oops...  ;D

Oh, it gets better - on her letters to Matt, the return address was the residence of... go on, guess who ?

The whole thing is plan bizarre and I have but one question - just who was that girl I was friends with on Facebook who looked exactly like Dennis?

That is what we're trying to find out... but the chances it was DW's daughter seem slimmer every day.

I thought it was odd that all her pictures (which she should be nearly 30 years old) looked like a) they were taken recently and b) she was 17 years old.

Looking younger than you actually are is not unusual, I'm 33 but everyone I meet thinks I'm about 24.

I will mention something that never sat right with me, she always mentioned a guy called Bryan who she said was the love of her life but he died in Iraq, problem is she would often spell his name as 'Bryon' and the date he died seemed to fluctuate wildly.  

Curious and curiouser.

Yeah that is strange.  :lol

Actually, I had something like that happen to me. A long time ago on another board, I used to post from a computer in my college library. I left it signed in, not thinking anybody would go to the site. Boy was I wrong!Imagine going back online to find all these messages posted under your name that you didn't post! Ended up catching the guy eventually; it was this dude I turned in for looking at porn in the library. And before anybody calls me a goodie goodie...I reported him because I was waiting to use the computer to work on a paper, and he was the only one on who wasn't doing something school-related.

Back on topic...from reading those old threads...

1). Man, I was kind of an asshole back then. :lol Then again, that was shortly after my stroke, so wasn't in the peppiest of moods.
2). Shady called it

3. Amy B. called it, as well.

4. Holy sh*t...I derailed the thread talking about my personal issues. Yes, I did find a lawyer, and in fact court was 3 weeks ago. Should know something within the month...

5. Holy sh*t, part two...in the second link, I called it about CF74 being released xD

The girl may indeed be Dennis' daughter, but there may be a chance she died in a car wreck before "Denni" came on here. It gets stranger and stranger. I'm glad I kept my distance most of the time. I was a skeptic so that's why they probably didn't try to get close. 

Wait, what?

So the girl in those pics (who had a rather obvious resemblance to Dennis) is dead? That is sad.

I wonder what the end game of this person is? I can't figure out what someone would have to gain, except the attention.

I had one interaction with "Denni Leann" on Facebook. She added me as a friend whenever she first popped up and started messaging me just over a year ago. It wasn't anything Beach Boys related, it was personal stuff about her boyfriend. Something about his band coming to Chicago and playing at venue where my husband's group plays and could I help him with stuff and give them a place to stay, blah blah blah. I found the nicest way I could to say there was no way in hell strangers were staying at my apartment and that the venue she was talking about didn't book bands, since it's a comedy club. Then I defriended her, because I could smell the crazy and didn't want to deal with whatever she was trying to do.

You would think if a person was going to go to all this trouble and spend years on creating these characters, they would at least do some simple fact checking before taking it public.

That would be the forces boyfriend who was killed in action well over two years ago, then ?  ;D

No proof one way or the other: the one concrete thign that has emerged is that you can't place any credence in anything "Denni/Lori/Kira/Teresa/Mariana/Michael/Pam" says.

So what are we saying here? That some crazy person used pictures of a dead girl who bares a striking resemblance to Dennis and pretended to be his illegitimate daughter? Did anyone ever actually meet her in the flesh? Does Denni Leann even exist? This whole thing is f***ed up.

Well, then, I'm really glad I didn't accept the offer to host a zombie with military training.  :-D

Some people's [pretend, illegitimate] children...

I'm like Sherlock Holmes

I won't go into details about the PM's but I used to get messages from both Sherry and Denny and basically they would be bad mouthing each other. If it was the same person that is a pretty hardcore case of schizophrenia .

Strange you should ask that - no, no-one I know of who actually exists ever has, and that includes when meetings were arranged, only to be aborted due to a family crisis.

It would have been a "killer" weekend. Sorry bad joke couldn't be avoided.

This guy?
(http://www.spoilersguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Merle-Dixon.jpg)

Oh, damn...that's Merle Dixon. Never mind.  :lol

What a sick situation Shady, would not be surprised if this person is posting this stuff from a mental home.

Can you repost that picture of Mike Love from makemezombie.com? :lol

I need to find it!

I was here through the whole Denni debacle, but I didn't pay to much attention to it. With all the new stuff posted on here, all I gotta say is (for lack of a less coarse phrase) goshdarn... this sh*t's f***ed.

I wonder, if "Denni" really did, or does exist, is she at fault? Was she somebody that really thought she was the daughter of Dennis? I guess what I'm trying to get at is, was she a pawn in her crazy mother's game? I used to talk to "Denni" on Facebook. She claimed to have met some of Dennis's children, but that she was treated quite badly by them. I wonder if I still have those messages...

I have the same messages. There was so much detail that I bought into it hook line and sinker despite being a skeptic at first. I normally don't get close to people and I had let my guard down.

If she did meet any of the Wilson children, it was only online. I have all the emails too - she badmouthed them endlessly.

Not only did she talk about Dennis's kids, but she made it seem like she met all the ex-wives, and basically the entire Wilson family. She had nothing good to say about any of them. Funnily enough, she calimed to still be in contact with somebody. I believe it was Matt Jardine. What a Jardine has to do with a Wilson beats the heck out of me. lol

I noticed that she seemed to look the same in every single picture she posted. She also at one time posted a picture on Facebook of some kind of note she claimed was hand written by Dennis to her(Denni) mother. She deleted the picture within a day, or maybe within just a few hours. I saved it before she deleted it, and I stil have the picture.

God.... I'd forgotten about this. This is nuts.

I was facebook friends with her I think mostly because I am friends on Facebook with most of the cool people.. I deleted her for a reason I am not sure of, just felt un-easy.

There was something that Denni once told me that I wasn't sure about posting publicly, but somebody involved in this asked me to. Denni claimed to own the t-shirt that Dennis Wilson wore on the POB album cover.

What a whackjob. I would not like to be left alone in a room with her esp if there was anything sharp lying around....

Actually I'd be willing to lay down money that she is in fact a dude.

What I'm still trying to establish is this: Was the girl in all those photos, who looked like a perfectly nice girl with lots of friends, the same person who was posting as 'Denni'?

Paulos, that's the million dollar question. We...just don't know. I will say though that they aren't that recent; I say maybe mid-90s to mid 2000s at the most recent.

To be honest, I'll be shocked if the person we've seen in the picture turns out to not be related to Dennis in any way, shape or form. Seriously, she looks so much like the Dennis of circa 1965 that it's almost scary.

Two words for you - Bettina Hubers.  :)

Who?

McCartney's alleged love child.

Ahhh...okay.

And people say i'm crazy  lol ::)
And I also got completely confused during half of this topic  Lol

:lol

Nah, you proved yourself to me a long time ago...you're cool.

So, um, is this a Denni fan page of some kind or something?

http://karlheinzregenberg67.jimdo.com/2-facebook-sisters/

Either a creepy stalker or the 'real' Denni...

Are these the photos you guys were talking about?
Also, she really needs to work on being better at editing stuff on photoshop thats for sure:

(http://i43.tinypic.com/313gbuw.jpg)
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Thanks for those nightmares I'll be having tonight.  ;D

That's the work of Karlheinz Regenburg - he set up the 'shrine'. He refers to "Denni" as his little sister. he's a fan from way back but, seriously, talking to him about this is like trying to debate evolutionary theory with a creationist.

you know what, f*** you billy. I thought smiley smile was a safe place to browse at 4AM when one is very tired, hungry and in a dark room. I guess not.

guys, this is all a little bit creepy, all the name naming and speculation.

I agree, this is all nuts, but I encourage all of you to step back for a second and think about it. Or something.

OK, here's something that's not speculation: here's "Denni" with her "little sisters", as part of a Big Sister program she told me about.

(http://u.jimdo.com/www61/o/s8c8757715817086d/img/i6c7cf4d9b019aadd/1369129719/std/she-loves-the-work-with-kids.jpg)

However... someone else has noted the truck she's standing in front of has a Washington plate. They did some sleuthing, and it turns out that pic was taken at Harbor Towne Center in Oak Harbor, Washington, and not in California. So, whoever's identity was stolen, lives in Washington, not California. Thanks Jennifer Hughes Thompson for some outstanding sleuthing.

Oh, and before anyone says "well maybe she did do the Big Sister thing in WA"... the distance by road from Leemore CA to Oak harbor WA is 1044 miles, a driving time of 16 hours one way.

Wow - what a freak! And she / he / it deleted ME from FB after about 2 weeks ha ha!

I guess your fb presence didn't feed "it's" ego enough...  >:D

Ok, this just took a decidedly disturbing turn. Who are the kids in the picture? I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I can't help wondering who these children are, and how she is involved with them.

It could possibly be some guy whose posing as Dennis' illegitimate child just trying to get attention, he found someone on the internet that looks like him and went on being this fantasy person.

I think you're right Ethan.

That would make sense.

It gets weird around here sometimes..

After reading yet another info on the subject, what people wrote further about her here, I'll have to go with Fishmonk & other non-believers of this story. Because isn't it strange that Denni would post her picture & then quickly remove it, for absolutely no reason? Why then show it, in the 1st place? Also, Mr. Doe made it abundantly clear that she didn't have an actual meeting with any of her Wilson relatives, only talked via Internet. Nobody had seen her in reality, only virtually. Which leads to the conclusion that everything she said was a giant lie, not mentioning she's a great lost actress. And this is the biggest disappointment for me, since I really thought Denni is good & kind, what she posted seemed to me sincere & friendly. Now - definite "no". I feel sorry for all who trusted her, helped with advices, supported her in some ways and so on only to find out they were shamelessly tricked.

Re: picture. To be honest, the girl doesn't look like an exact copy of Dennis, as some posters claimed it. Yes, there are some features here & there that remind of Dennis but not to the extreme. Everyone with noticeable chin, sort of aquiline nose & small-sized eyes can pose as Dennis's child - theoretically, it's possible. So, seeing the photo doesn't convince me too.

That's what makes me sad. I stayed pretty indifferent, but friends of mine really cared for "Denni" and it makes me sad to think of how many peoples time they wasted.

The situation could be so easily resolved if "Denni" posted a pic with that day's paper from wherever she's supposed to be... or just gave some easily checkable information, such as the senior nurse where she claims to have worked... or any of a dozen ways of proving at least some of what she claims is true. That she doesn't, and not only refuses but refuses with increasing anger, tells me one thing - she doesn't, because she can't... because pretty much everything she's said is a lie. A friend of mine who WAS a nurse ran some basic nursing terms past her some time back, and she didn't understand them. The Washington photo - which btw dates from 2010 at the earliest - is the first chink in the wall of lies.

Has any one tried running the Denni pics through tineye or a similar app that identifies a pictures origin?

I tried the photo of her with the kids and I get an astounding result of 0 photos.. out of 3.0864 billion images. Gets weirder all the time.

So the question is, who is the person posing as Denni?

Someone very sad I suppose. I just think this is the weirdest type of thing someone can do. Real illness is involved and I don't say that lightly.

If there really is a girl named Denni who is Dennis's kid, she won't be taken seriously now. Which sucks, because she may well be a well intentioned person with real questions about it, but her mother screwed it all up for her. Maybe I'm just being way to naive  and forgiving. I guess I just try to always see the good in people.

I agree with the 1st sentence, it'll be indeed hard for real daughter of Dennis to gain credibility after the previous incident with a fake girl. As to your "forgiving & seeing the good in people" point, I understand you & actually can relate to that, because I also try to see only the good qualities in people & often forgive them their 'evil' deeds. But Denni is a special case. It's (now) obvious that what she has said is a lie - shameless & inexcusable. Of course, she didn't do real harm to people, didn't kill or stole sth. but nevertheless, she made everyone feel for her while she might very easily be in a good condition. It is the worst kind of lie/deceit. Off limits.

Still we don't know if there is a real daughter. The photos do look like Dennis but I have become convinced she's some random girl, or was Dennis' daughter and did die like was posted briefly on Facebook. That's actually why I have stayed interested, I wonder if this is identity theft of the deceased.

Interesting - been checking my old FB messages, and 'Denni' posted the Oak Harbor photo on FB on 9/15/11, so now we know it was taken before then, but no earlier than 2010 (when the Nail Shop opened there). Now, there's another photo of 'Denni' and those girls, but this time with a much older woman, and in the FB messages from 9/15/11, 'Denni' told me she did her Big Sister thing one day every two weeks and that the old lady died of cancer two years previously, i.e. in 2009.

So... we've got two photos, both of which show someone claiming to be a Big Sister every two weeks to kids who live 1000 miles away from her home in central California, and one of which, according to what 'Denni' said, shows a woman who had been dead for at least a year.

Any of this strike you as, well, just a little... implausible ?

Just a bit :lol

Whoever the hell she is, I was kind of developing a crush on her. *blushing*

I think you're not alone in that. I think that's what whomever this is was banking on

No way. The Dennis Wilson look may look great on a guy but on a chick it's waaaaay too manly.

Yea, I agree. Beards and long, scraggly hair do not look good on women.

:lol

Tell that to my Grandma.  >:D

:lol X2

Golden rule of being a successful liar - remember what you said, and to who, and make sure they agree. The old woman in the 2nd Oak Harbor photo - correct, the one who, according to the info supplied by "Denni", had been dead at least a year when the photo known to have been taken - was described to me as just an old woman who needed a friend. Oddly - or not, if you've been following this sorry trail of perfidy - the same woman was described to Matt as "Denni's" grandmother. Anyone notice a mild credibility gap here ?

The Jon Stebbins FAQ book on page 20 in a section called Marriages & Children:

Dennis Wilson
sons Chris and Ryan, daughter Denni born out of wedlock


Congratulations, "Denni", the fact that you duped all of these BB experts has me laughing to the point of tears!

Also, my apologies to Jon as I love his books and will continue to buy and read them.

And Karlheinz Carl Regenberg really needs a makeover, wouldn't you agree?

EDIT: I just found this "public figure" page on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Denni-Leann/175646209159376?fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Denni-Leann/175646209159376?fref=ts)

Another EDIT: I am soooooo tempted to "like" on that FB page, but, nahhh!

Man, this story keeps getting weirder and weirder. I'd be interested in seeing those two pictures. I'm not sure if posting on the board would be a good idea though.

That's an odd list. Wikipedia lists Dennis's children as follows:
Gage (with Shawn Love)
Jennifer (with Carole Freedman)
Scott (Carole's child that Dennis adopted)
Michael (with Barbara Charren)
Carl (with Barbara Charren)

So, who is Denni's supposed mother?

Edit: I'm confused by Wikipedia's phrasing. Is Scott Jennifer's son? Or Carole's?

Not sure about Denni but Scott is listed in the book as Carole's son and adopted by Dennis.

... we know about Christopher, but what do we know of Ryan ?

Did anyone stop to think that maybe some of the Wilson children want to stay private??? It is just this type of thing that they don't want/need to be involved in.......neither do their mothers.  Regarding the "Denni" thing......I used to talk privately to her when she first popped up here, way before FB. I caught her in one too many lies, so that was enough for me. When she went on FB, I again fell into her madness, but called her on her lies......needless to say, she became outraged, so I deleted her.....she begged me to be her "friend" again, which I did not do. The drama was too much.....I have enough real life drama without her. I personally think she is an attention freak and all the males out there fell for it.....she can wrap you guys around her little finger.

I used to be good friends with AGD to the point we'd chat every day about everything and anything, but when I told him I didn't believe Denni's story, he deleted me as a friend after giving me a harsh lecture as to how he didn't want me as a friend if I didn't believe her as he did. AGD? Didn't you once say you spoke to her mother over the phone to check the story out, and you believed it???? Of course this was some time ago and you may have come to your senses by now.

One of the things that first made me think was her grammar....IF she was a nurse, why did she have such bad grammar, how could she work in the ER and be on FB so much, etc., etc.  I wish I could have the time back that I've lost on this subject alone.....could have a nice long vacation.

Not me. I still remember my initial thought when she post popped up here; "Big deal. There are not doubt 100's of illegitimate children out there from all of Dennis' flings".

No - her 'mom' sent me emails, one of which used her own account (the first slip, probably)... then other problems started piling up but like a mug I was prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt, until she asked for help with Matt and, because it was way beyond an MB spat (if true), I asked for some checkable proofs, easy stuff... and she pitched a fit. I now realise she didn't give me those proofs because they don't exist. Because whoever 'Denni'; is, she is a liar and a very poor one at that. Recently, she told me she was taking her mom from Boston, where she was supposed to be, to a Cancer Treatment Center Hospital. Now 'Lori' has told someone the hospital, in Arkansas, has cured her. Two small problems here: one, no-one is cured just like that, with a snap of the fingers, and two, there are only six such hospitals in the US, and none are in Arkansas (in passing, I think Boston has a fine oncoligical reputation... but as she was never in Boston anyway, moot point).

And yes, I have, and I apologise Donna. The mechanics of wanting to believe someone because of who they claim to be, despite strong proof to the contrary, have been graphically outlined here.

The thing that gets me is that this person has been able to avoid getting the truth told about them. We still don't know the real story and that's the weird part. They aren't good enough to avoid slipping, but good enough to avoid being "found". So strange. I honestly hardly gave a care before the recent events, still don't care who Dennis slept with really or knocked up. However a hoax intrigues me and again I am sad friends who I have known for many years had their time wasted.

I seem to have a fuzzy memory of "Denni" once making a reference to being Dennis's son. Yet another weird twist to the story.

It is a shame that men don't have the same inner instinct that women have when it comes to this.......maybe it's because we are so in-tune with people lying to us...(mostly men). It is truly sad that so many people have wasted precious time, and some have wasted a couple of years on this;  AGD is a perfect example. You can explain it away by saying you were trying to solve the "mystery" of "Denni, which is not her real name anyway. You can justify it to yourself anyway you want, but in the end, who gives a rat's ass anyway?? ???

There is so much drama about absolute crap on these message boards that I decided a long time ago to stay away from them all. When you start deleting friends because they don't believe in the same MYTH that you do, it's time to leave the building.

I still celebrate the music of BW and the Beach Boys and still attend their concerts...heading off to one on the 26th. I prefer to live my life in the real world and not waste precious time in the craziness that goes on within the boards. ;D

Don't mean to sound cruel, but why don't some of you get off this subject and pick up a good book to read, preferably one NOT associated with fiction or BB related material. Peace, kids!

I can ask you the same question. Apparently you don't have enough going on in the real world to come back and post in here. Me thinks you are a closet Internet crazy.

Yeah, we should really sh!t on the one voice of reason here in this discussion in order to show her how great we really are.

Being the voice of reason = Being a man hater who preaches a self righteous hypocrisy? Interesting.

She can't be calling us out when she is in here herself, now can she? A bit hypocritical, if you ask me.

I hate feminazis.

These two posts in here are her only two posts in over two years and you think this gives you an opportunity to say she must not have the life she thinks she does if she has to post here, when in reality she has an average of posting less than one post a year. The fact that she hasn't posted here since 2011 means that she indeed does practice what she preaches. Be honest: you didn't like what she had to say but you had no actual response so you had to manufacture a reason based on an untruth.

I love how sensitive men are to the slightest scent of criticism. It always amazes me how people who have belonged to a group who have historically had the monopoly of power that involved disenfranchising another group become utterly defensive over the slightest remark from the formerly disenfranchised group. You are so sensitive that you have taken two words of her post and have proceeded to act as if this is the central crux of her argument.

My guess is that you're as equally capable of defending your use of that term as you are your use of the term "cultural Marxism." You're excellent at throwing around terms (especially when you think they might irk people, in the most glaringly juvenile fashion) but your inability to know what you mean when you use these terms is startling.

READ what she says. She must have been in here following at least this thread. This is not one that you would just generally jump to. As it turned out, it was as much a bitch fest against AGD, then as about Denni. Let her send him a PM if she really had to get all that off of her mind.

Remember, she says "There is so much drama about absolute crap on these message boards that I decided a long time ago to stay away from them all." and "I prefer to live my life in the real world and not waste precious time in the craziness that goes on within the boards. Don't mean to sound cruel, but why don't some of you get off this subject and pick up a good book to read, preferably one NOT associated with fiction or BB related material." She is doing exactly what she tells us not to do. If she feels that strongly, then she should not have come in here at all. You know, follow her own advice.

And the award for most condescending post of the year goes to.............

Not trying to pile on but I really hate that term.

The part highlighted in bold is simultaneously the funniest and most cretinous thing I have read in a long time.

To repeat: I love how sensitive men are to the slightest scent of criticism. It always amazes me how people who have belonged to a group who have historically had the monopoly of power that involved disenfranchising another group become utterly defensive over the slightest remark from the formerly disenfranchised group.

Not sensitive Mr Roll, merely amazed by such a stupid comment. Ms K claims that women have some mysterious ability to detect lies and deceit, to repeat: The part highlighted in bold is simultaneously the funniest and most cretinous thing I have read in a long time.

Also Mr Roll I have to ask, do you even like The Beach Boys? I rarely see you commenting on anything Beach Boys related, instead you seem to spend most of your time in the sandbox allowing TRBB to bait you into one of your incredibly boring political rants.

19 days passed between AGD's first new post on the matter and DonnaK's first remark. It seems like she has a personal investment in the story so I find it really far-fetched that she's been avidly following the thread all this time only to post for the first time now. My hunch is that she probably does come back from time to time just to see what the conversations are and this time found something that she had some kind of direct relation to. This is hardly the kind of behaviour that she's complaining about, now is it?

Actually, while I do think the issue is debatable, there is a great deal of serious scholarly research that reinforces her claims. See here:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/201107/women-s-intuition-myth-or-reality (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/201107/women-s-intuition-myth-or-reality)

Again, the issue is debatable, but there is far too much compelling evidence that to pass it off as funny or cretinous is ignorant of such evidence.


Appreciate the criticism but I'm afraid there's not much I can do at this point to ensure that my posts are entertaining to you.

I am quite aware what "feminazi" and "cultural Marxism" mean. I don't need to defend my usage of the terms.

You have demonstrated that you have exactly no idea what cultural Marxism is but I do slightly forgive you to that because you are heavily indoctrinated by a movement organized by hucksters and charlatans who have clearly put the term into circulation as the other slavish devotees to the cult evoke the term under similar circumstances as if they are Xeroxing from the same handbook of generic responses.

I have no doubt that your definition of "feminazi" is the same one that most people use when they use it but again, like you, they have such a historical blindspot and a fantastical understanding of the way the world works that they don't really understand what they are doing when they are evoking the term.

I have not demonstrated anything. But keep on thinking what you want to think. I stand behind my statements without apology and without fear of contradiction.

That's a function of indoctrination though. Even when proven wrong, you're certainly not bound to to accept it.

Incidentally, defining your terms is common practice in all honest writing. To pretend as if you're above this, is the height of absurdity. The idea that you can just say whatever you please and not have to actually defend what you say is a privilege accorded to no one, no matter how arrogantly they claim they "don't need to."

Again, I'll leave it up to the readers who can easily discover what cultural Marxism is in a few minutes of research and will understand immediately that you are using it incorrectly. But when I have time, later, I will explain it in more detail.

According to you I use the term incorrectly because I don't subscribe to the same political beliefs as you. That's all it is and all it ever was. If you can look at that British situation and tell me that that is not cultural Marxism, you've one more screw loose than I thought.

And yet another thread derails into a miasma of sh*t.

Well, it IS the Sandbox.

I just generally resent the picture of men or women as different in honesty. All that is bull like any other thing judging someone by their race, color, creed, gender etc. As a guy with the same woman for almost ten years faithfully, I also think it's stupid to think that a girl who resembles Dennis is gonna drive all the Beach Boys fans on here to uncontrollable lust or stupidity. AGD was stand up and said he was sorry. Not trying to be mean myself, but if the attitude displayed to him was the same as now no wonder he defriended her.

I say this all as the most un PC guy humor wise ever. Yet when I really see someone judge people by gender yet???

That's entirely false. You use the term incorrectly because you don't understand what it means. Keep in mind the cultural Marxism has its origins in the Frankfurt school of scholars - figures like Walter Benjamin, Theodor Adorno, Jurgen Habermas, etc. These figures, who could be grouped together under the banner of Cultural Marxists, espoused widely different theories but essentially examined the role of ideology and how it manifests itself - namely, how do the relations of production affect the kind of art that is being produced. In Benjamin's most famous article, he examines somewhat ambiguously the role of mechanical reproduction, suggesting that while it does allow for wider access to art, it also means that the cult value of art diminishes. Adorno, meanwhile, examined how art can either distort and mask social realties or react to them in some way.

Adorno's arguments gave way to one of the most prominent cultural Marxists - namely, Frederic Jameson. In Jameson's most significant text, The Political Unconscious, he examines the interpretive categories or codes through which we read and receive texts. He suggests that when we read a texts, we typically work to re-write it through the lens of an interpretive master code which is always already ideologically provided to us. Consequently, our readings of the past are dependent on our experience of the present. He suggests that texts repress a history of class struggles, but reveal that buried history in particular ways, just as Freud says we reveal what we repress in our everyday actions (such as tics, or slips-of-the-tongue, etc.). Jameson says that it is up the Cultural Marxist to read texts for this repressed history. He says that this can be done by using three progressively widening “semantic horizons”: symbolic (wherein one understands the texts as attempting to resolve a social contradiction), social (wherein the text is participating in an ideologically driven discourse), and historical (in which texts reveal the modes of production at work in its day).

In other words what cultural Marxism was and always has been is a particular reading practice which functions to analyze what lies beneath cultural artefacts.

Now, you are using the term the way you do because it was hijacked following Michael Minnicino's article "New Dark Age: Frankfurt School and 'Political Correctness.'" Now, Minnicino probably was unfamiliar with cultural Marxism as a form of scholarship or didn't understand the arguments but ultimately, he needed to pin his anxiety about political correctness on someone and somewhat arbitrary chose the members of the Institute for Social Research (otherwise known as The Frankfurt School) to do so. This was what has since been called the Frankfurt School conspiracy theory. Of course, anybody familiar with the works of the Frankfurt School knew immediately that none of what they wrote had the slightest bit to do with what people commonly consider political correctness to be. But that's not important - what's important was that there was an enemy that could be named, and more importantly that name had the word "Marxism" in it, which people in the United States have been trained to blindingly assume is inherently bad, so it was easily to concoct the lie that all of this nasty political correctness came from the cultural Marxists. Never mind that it was entirely fraudulent and completely groundless (the author of the original text that inspired the movement to attach cultural Marxism to political correctness, Minnicino, has since renounced his article, noting that the article itself came out of "self-censorship") the association gradually began to pick up steam, first by Paul Weyrich and, then, by William Lind. At that point, the hijacked term began to circulate more widely, particularly on the internet where information does not have to be verified or peer-reviewed, and this is largely how a large number of people became so badly misinformed on the matter.


Actually, what I asked was for you to demonstrate how it was, but you insist on being above defending your claims. This is actually quite a startling phenomenon, I should say. Several years ago when I began engaging with conspiracy theorists (in particular, Paul McCartney Is Dead conspiracy theorists) they used the same line: "I don't have to reinforce my claims for you. If you don't believe me, why don't you do your own research rather than expect me to do it for you." I then found that this line was common as I delved further into other sorts of conspiracy theories. This position is astounding and I'm shocked that anyone would take it seriously. It seems to me that if you are at all interested in the truth or being honest or even if you are confident in your own position, then you would love to actually defend your claims. On the other hand, if you are only interested in posturing and simply showing off that you know things, then you can use the by-now familiar line above.

But, again, given that cultural Marxism is largely a reading practice and a wide-range of various ways to interpret texts, I am ultimately unconvinced that the police apologizing to Muslims for a postcard constitutes cultural Marxism since it is neither an interpretative act nor is it working to uncover the work of ideology in a particular artefact. But, again, this is why I asked you to explain what you meant by the term. As it has become increasingly obvious, you didn't know what you meant. You were simply using a bastardized, ignorant, and misinformed understanding of the term, the bastardization of which is rooted in an anxious desire by scheming political figures to locate a familiar enemy on which en vogue criticisms could be projected.

I'm with you Mike.

If you take two dogs and you beat one relentlessly and you treat the other with loving care, what are the chances that they end up behaving exactly the same?

Furthermore, do disagree that there are biological differences between men and women? Do you resent that implication?

Wow. This thread took a nose dive.  :lol :lol :lol

Huh? This is a retort? Who got beat or abused? Biologically sure men and woman differ, but what has that to do with character? I go on the individual.

Unlike some are saying, this subject is actually interesting. Timely on a sociological level with catfishing and hoaxes really being a hot issue. I want to know the whole story partly so I can learn the signs of a new form of sociopath. As a writer this is even more interesting. I know a good and careful researcher, and Jon and AGD are among the best. This person knows what they are doing or they would be caught years ago and fully.

Now I am getting told that it's because we were all in love with some female Dennis lookalike because our guy parts make us idiots! Tell that to the straight ladies she hurt and there are several I know of personally.

Just wanted to say I've posted on this message board for years and I have no memory of this "Dennis" chick. When was she posting here?

Yes.


I don't believe a writer as good as you are is this poor at analogy. I am no more saying specifically that someone "got beat or abused" than I am saying that white people or women are "dogs." To be honest, though, women are very much abused in our society. Recall that over 80% of spousal abuse is directed towards women, over 90% of sexual assault victims are women, and more than a quarter of women experience a sexual assault by the time they are in their 20s. But this is part of a larger, and deeper systematic issue which still works to keep women de-valued. In a world where there is a different standard for women, and where clearly women are still largely perceived as sexual objects than sexual subjects, then different behavioural patterns are bound to emerge. That women might have a kind of heightened sensitivity to danger wouldn't necessarily be surprising.


Plenty. The fact that biology affects human behaviour is science 101.


I suppose this is a matter of debate. I'll keep my own opinions about what's going on here, private, other than to say I think that what you are supporting is fairly shameful behaviour, though that certainly doesn't endorse the behaviour of this "Denni" character, who I had no interest in at the time.


Again, I find the fact that the males on the board are zeroing in on this relatively minor aspect of DonnaK's remarks to be more telling than anything she could say on the matter.

I never thought I'd say this, but can we go back to talking about the Denni stuff?

What shameful behavior has Mike been supporting?! I really am not following you here.

The efforts to get the "scoop" on this Denni person.

Guys, come on. Who the hell cares?

You know, you poke your nose where it don't belong once too often. Before you spout off, you should first let people defend their own posts first. Who the f*** are you to speak for everyone first? I hate losing my temper, especially in here, a place that I come to share my love of my favorite band. So to everyone else who reads this post, please accept my apology for getting this off my chest.

Perhaps you can demonstrate one example where I "spoke for" anyone other than myself?

What real life troubles are you avoiding by coming in here trolling? What circumstances in your own life are making you feel the need to police everyone's (mostly anonymous) opinions? I am genuinely curious.

And I genuinely don't believe you are. But if you want an answer, it is simply that you deserve to know as much about my personal life as I believe I should know about yours or anyone else's on this board, which is exactly "nothing." I might also add that this juvenile tactic of assuming I have "personal problems" as a way to discourage me from participating in discussion is nothing short of obscene.

I don't quite understand your remarks as being a response to what I've said but I might apply the same question I asked to drbeachboy and ask for one example where I have "policed" anyone's opinions (let alone "everyone's" as you claim).

I am done with you. From here on out, I don't give a crap what you have to say whether I agree with it or (most likely) not. I am not going to allow you to ruin my enjoyment of this forum. You take care, now.

Somehow I am not surprised that you keep asking people to point to your messes. It does tend to take a bit of self awareness to make out the bad smells one leaves. No self awareness = no answer.

tah tah.

No, I simply expect that people practice the slightest bit of honesty and have the courage to present evidence if they are going to resort to the tactic of mud-slinging as a response. Now in the last hour, I have been accused of speaking for others, having personal life problems, and policing people's opinions. These are not light charges - these are bold claims. Now I'm of the opinion (and this partly because of the work that I do) that if you make bold claims, particularly if they constitute an attack of character and particularly when that attack of character is a substitute for engaging with the points that are being raised, then you have an obligation to prove that claim. That's simple honesty. I think it's quite remarkable that in both cases where I have asked posters to provide an example which proves their mud-slinging, they've responded essentially by telling me that they won't respond to that request. This is hardly surprising (because of course, there is no evidence to reinforce these points) but it is remarkably bold that anyone thinks they are actually justified in this kind of behaviour.

I can't speak for the others in this thread, but I am just too darn lazy.  :police:

Rock, take a chill pill.  Even though I don't always agree with you, you're an intelligent guy and a good debater.  That being said, you can be quite full of yourself.  I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy challenging someone's opinion I didn't agree with on a message board; can sometimes turn into a fun debate.  That being said you still have to find a point when to let things go.

I'm sorry but this is crazy! If you believed that I was policing opinions enough for you to say it then there should have been something in your mind. Have you forgotten it already or did you really just say it for the sake of it, despite the fact that it wasn't true?

I appreciate the kind words and I understand your point. But from my point of view, I don't mind being ganged up on here as I am frequently, but these personal shots are entirely below the belt and completely unwarranted and people should account for mud-slinging. In this case, Pixletwin jumped in on the attack and I had never even said anything to him.

I support honesty-nothing shameful. I get analogy-just not how it applied in this case. Finally the reason that attraction part is being pointed out by me is because I get tired of the horny frat boy stereotype being put upon me as a male. It drew comment from me and others because it was so absurd and yes offensive in it's huge sweep. Again I am not one to even be concerned about such things normally, but to read such blind hate is wrong in 2013. 

Yes, because white males are such a persecuted group these days.

Gee Wirestone missing the points I make again. :o

Man, what the hell is going on here?!? This used to be a great place to hang out, but it's getting harder and harder. Look, this isn't about some horny guys who got suckered into her trap because, well, because they're horny stupid guys. It's about a real criminal case of probable stalking of the Wilson family(her "interest" in them was borderline psychotic), public slander and defamation of character, and   possible identity theft.

Thank you Jay, you sum it up perfect. Glad to know some of us remember how nice this place was and can be

In that case, it should be left to the police and none of us should be involved except insofar as giving the police information they need. If it is the case that the person is mentally ill (and we don't know) then I don't think it's fair or humane to publicly flog her. There are others with expertise in the matter who can deal with this sort of thing, if indeed it is the sort of thing that needs to be dealt with.

I honestly don't know how anyone can come away from DonnaK's post and say seriously that it is an example of "blind hate." I agree that there are some sweeping remarks but certainly nothing so obscene as the term "feminazi" which passed by here in this thread with much less scrutiny (I think two people commented on it, one being me) suggesting that it is far more acceptable to compare women to Nazis than it is to suggest that men are lured by attractive women.

Considering my wife and myself were personally effected, well , for me it is personal.

Fair enough. I mean, personally, I do not understand how so many people were "personally affected" by this person. I was around at the same time Denni was posting and managed to avoid being personally affected. In fact, I managed to never engage with the person ever. Did Denni target people specifically or were people that willing to suspend their disbelief for a person that they had never met? Did she take money from you? What has been the overall consequence of "her" behaviour?

The issues were not on the board. I'm going to leave it at that as it was , as I said earlier, personal.

This only confirms my personal belief that the whole issue would be better left off the board, but that's only my personal opinion, and an outsider's one at that.

Well I think all the sleuthing is highly interesting. So keep sleuthing and reporting.  :lol

Well hate is a strong word and maybe not the literal truth. Apparent sweeping dislike still feels apt based on the posts, and the posts solely.

A friend of mine (who happens to be intriqued with this "Denni" fiasco) told me that I should come have a peek at this thread, hence the reason for my post in the first place......now she tells me this has become another "fiasco". I am NOT a feminist, marxist, or any other "ist". I made the comment about SOME MEN......SOME ie Karl what's-his-name, were taken in completely by "Denni" and still is a believer from the posts I see on FB. It seems that she would sweet talk a lot of the guys (NOT ALL MEN) and would suck up to them for the attention. Yes, I too, was taken in for a couple of months with her story until I caught her in a few lies, as I said, so I agree females were also swindled by her. You have to remember I was the one who lent Bluebird $1K and only got back $300......AGD can attest to that one. I trust someone until they give me reason not to.

I am NOT an closet internet crazy as that one guy referred to me. I am too busy in my real life to be. My only purpose in posting was to tell my Denni story and say that I was happy that she/he was finally outed. I did not realize that my sole comment would be taken apart word by word and scrutinized like this, nor did I think I would have to come back here and explain myself, which I personally feel is a total waste of my time. I could be cleaning litter boxes.

This fiasco my post turned into, by certain folks ripping apart my every word, is the main reason I don't bother with any of the BB boards anymore.......too much crap, so little time. Now feel free to comment on the fact that I used too many quotation marks in my post.

Peace, kids.

I have no problem with you posting about Denni. My problem was bringing up your dirty laundry with AGD, and mostly about how we spend our time on the Internet. Franlkly, what I do or what anyone else in here does is none of your business.  Had you stayed on subject everything would have been just peachy. :)

I have no problem with you posting about Denni. My problem was bringing up your dirty laundry with AGD, and mostly about how we spend our time on the Internet. Franlkly, what I do or what anyone else in here does is none of your business.  Had you stayed on subject everything would have been just peachy.




You are a piece of work..... :lol

Gee, I thought you were too busy.
You drip of condescending, self-righteousness. This thread was markedly better until you came along.
Go ahead and stay away.

Boy, the pot calling the kettle black. No wonder you had to leave the boards.

And...with that note, I'm going to do something I should've done a LONG time ago, and lock this thread.