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Title: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: MBE on December 21, 2010, 12:54:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFP6UErIe6c
I know we have a youtube thread but this is too rare and good not to make a general topic.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 21, 2010, 01:01:13 AM
Fascinating - and truly rare - footage, just a shame the audio track is so out of synch.  Stick with it to the end for a nice surprise.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Jay on December 21, 2010, 01:14:42 AM
I don't think I've heard Bruce's voice as clear in group harmony as in this video. I take it this was not circulating before it showed up on YouTube? The quality is incredible.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Don_Zabu on December 21, 2010, 01:44:22 AM
Bruce Johnston rockin' that mustache!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Nicko on December 21, 2010, 01:50:38 AM
Excellent. God Only Knows and the final song both sound stunning. The latter deserves an official release.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: GuyO on December 21, 2010, 02:18:27 AM
Wow, what a great start to my day. Especially the surprise at the end, just beautiful.  Did you notice Bruce imitating the flute part in God Only Knows on organ? Extra musicians:  Ron Brown and ...?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: grillo on December 21, 2010, 02:29:19 AM
is that freekin' Brando at the end?!!!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: adamghost on December 21, 2010, 03:08:16 AM
Wow!

And my, of all the times Al's guitar has been inaudible, this mix is the topper...


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 21, 2010, 03:10:23 AM
is that freekin' Brando at the end?!!!

Indeed it is.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Rocker on December 21, 2010, 04:02:45 AM
I wonder if this is a Bruce arrangement. Excellent !


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Big Bri on December 21, 2010, 04:11:17 AM
WOW! What a Powerhouse rendition of "Come All Ye Faithful"!!
Truly, in the history of music the BB's have the Supreme Voices of Harmony!!
Stunning.

Bri~


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: filledeplage on December 21, 2010, 05:00:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFP6UErIe6c
I know we have a youtube thread but this is too rare and good not to make a general topic.

Thanks!  Awesome! Excellent!

Fitting for both the season and Carl's birthday! 

Who knew they could sing in Latin?  :lol

(Venite Adoremus...)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: c-man on December 21, 2010, 05:09:46 AM
Awesome find...thanks a million!  And one of the links to the right will take you to Olivia Newton-John and ABBA performing "Help Me Rhonda". 


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: gxios on December 21, 2010, 05:23:30 AM
If you want to see something hilarious, Brando does a "performance" during this show where he's playing guitar and wearing "clam digger" pants and doing that south sea island flapping knees dance while his then wife Tarita dances in traditional Tahitian grass skirt.  I've only seen this on a documentary- can't find it on the web.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Louie Napoli on December 21, 2010, 05:44:52 AM
Thanks! How great to be able to revisit those times.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: PongHit on December 21, 2010, 06:23:21 AM
Darn, can some tech-wiz here fix the audio sync?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 07:04:36 AM
Extra musicians:  Ron Brown and ...?

Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 21, 2010, 07:45:12 AM
I love the way Mike improvises with the therimin on Babarann!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Custom Machine on December 21, 2010, 11:01:34 AM
I love the way Mike improvises with the therimin on Babarann!


Wow!  Last two songs are amazing.  Anyone know the exact date of this performance?



Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Emdeeh on December 21, 2010, 11:06:47 AM
It's remarkable how close "Barbara Ann" sounds to the Live in London version.  8)

Love that a capella Christmas carol!








Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: bgas on December 21, 2010, 11:09:04 AM
I love the way Mike improvises with the therimin on Babarann!


Wow!  Last two songs are amazing.  Anyone know the exact date of this performance?



Always the first place to look for BBs shows: 

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Custom Machine on December 21, 2010, 11:18:47 AM
I love the way Mike improvises with the therimin on Babarann!


Wow!  Last two songs are amazing.  Anyone know the exact date of this performance?



Always the first place to look for BBs shows: 

http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs.html

OK, Dec. 15, 1967.   Shoulda gone to AGD's indispensable site first, rather than asking about the date here!  Thanks for the reminder and the quick link.



Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Jason on December 21, 2010, 11:28:26 AM
Great video, indeed. Nice to see the late 1967 Beach Boys in action. Dig Michael on the theremin and Carl in general.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Don_Zabu on December 21, 2010, 12:38:12 PM
Darn, can some tech-wiz here fix the audio sync?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwtBKftbgjc


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:45:01 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 21, 2010, 12:48:19 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?

It's Alan: check the "GOK" footage, at 4.08. Unlikely to be Brian as he's not there.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: SloopJohnB on December 21, 2010, 12:48:52 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?

Al!  :)

Edit: AGD beat me to it!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Beekeeper on December 21, 2010, 12:53:46 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?

It's Alan. Unlikely to be Brian as he's not there.

Wow, really? I would have never have thought it was Al. Thanks.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: 18thofMay on December 21, 2010, 01:22:32 PM
That was awesome. My Fave non Brian moment!!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Don_Zabu on December 21, 2010, 01:28:20 PM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?

It's Alan. Unlikely to be Brian as he's not there.

Wow, really? I would have never have thought it was Al. Thanks.
He did the same sort of thing in the Good Timin' 1980 performance of God Only Knows. Sounded just like Brian.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: adamghost on December 21, 2010, 01:44:24 PM
Al and Brian sounded remarkably alike in the falsetto range for a long time.  Since they're not related and Bruce was the "replacement", a lot of people didn't catch on that Al was doing a lot of Brian's high parts.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: STE on December 21, 2010, 02:40:03 PM
Darn, can some tech-wiz here fix the audio sync?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwtBKftbgjc

And also here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIscI9NL_Y



Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: adamghost on December 21, 2010, 02:45:51 PM
Looking at the video in sync, it strikes me that Dennis' drumming is surprisingly erratic.  I think I even see a flash of annoyance from Carl when he brings it in late early on in "Barbara Ann."


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: adamghost on December 21, 2010, 02:48:36 PM
Re the wonderful Christmas carol, how many other examples are there where the whole band -- including Dennis -- sings around the mic like that?  I can't think of any off hand, except maybe somewhere in the 15 BIG ONES era.  It's wonderful to see Dennis singing with the other guys in that environment.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Don_Zabu on December 21, 2010, 03:29:01 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, the second lowest voice in the "Oh Come All Ye Faithful" arrangement is Carl (I'd recognize that timbre anywhere). Is that usually how it worked?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Fall Breaks on December 21, 2010, 03:45:36 PM
That's right, I think. Many of the early songs have Dennis above Carl in the harmony. My ears aren't good enough to pick it out here - is it four och five parts? (Obviously there are five voices, but is anyone doubling another or are there five separate parts?)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: c-man on December 21, 2010, 04:41:17 PM
Extra musicians:  Ron Brown and ...?

Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.

Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: grillo on December 21, 2010, 07:35:52 PM
What about Denny singing that high falsetto-y part starting around 5:08!? Amazing. California soul indeed!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Beach Head on December 21, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
Extra musicians:  Ron Brown and ...?

Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.

Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?

I was in touch with an assistant of his a few years back. The subject of Joe and the Boys came up, and he asked Sample about it. The UNICEF concert was a one-gig deal, apparently something that came up rather suddenly, and they needed a keyboard player (I'm guessing that Daryl Dragon might not have been available for some reason?). Sample flew over to Paris with them, did the show, flew back and that was it!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Don't Back Down on December 22, 2010, 12:03:56 AM
I love the way Mike improvises with the therimin on Babarann!

I loved that part too!

This footage is amazing!!! Anyone notice Al's gesture at 0:45?  :)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Andrew G. Doe on December 22, 2010, 02:13:45 AM
Extra musicians:  Ron Brown and ...?

Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.

Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?

I was in touch with an assistant of his a few years back. The subject of Joe and the Boys came up, and he asked Sample about it. The UNICEF concert was a one-gig deal, apparently something that came up rather suddenly, and they needed a keyboard player (I'm guessing that Daryl Dragon might not have been available for some reason?). Sample flew over to Paris with them, did the show, flew back and that was it!


Was DD part of the touring band back in late 1967 - I've seen an interview were he mentions joining the BB on tour, but all he says is "about 1967", which is kinda vague for my liking


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: c-man on December 22, 2010, 04:45:56 AM
Extra musicians:  Ron Brown and ...?

Joe Sample, of The Crusaders. The only time he ever played with the Boys.

Cool, been trying to figure out for awhile when Joe played with them...how'd you find out?

I was in touch with an assistant of his a few years back. The subject of Joe and the Boys came up, and he asked Sample about it. The UNICEF concert was a one-gig deal, apparently something that came up rather suddenly, and they needed a keyboard player (I'm guessing that Daryl Dragon might not have been available for some reason?). Sample flew over to Paris with them, did the show, flew back and that was it!


Was DD part of the touring band back in late 1967 - I've seen an interview were he mentions joining the BB on tour, but all he says is "about 1967", which is kinda vague for my liking

Yes, Daryl joined up for the Wild Honey tour, along with Ron Brown.  So the lineup for the UNICEF show included Joe Sample on piano...and Ron Brown playing tambourine when Bruce played bass, and bass when Bruce played organ...does anyone recognize the conga player?   


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 05:21:26 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Joshilyn Hoisington on December 22, 2010, 08:00:15 AM
Great to see Ron Brown--possibly a much bigger part of the Beach Boys story than he gets credit for.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: jmc on December 22, 2010, 08:11:27 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Good question.  I think the GOK performance would have gone over well.  Barbara Ann probably not.  Not with the times., or for that crowd anyhow.  Perhaps Brian would have played bass if Bruce were there to play the organ or piano, which would have been better.  Too bad. 


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: hypehat on December 22, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Rocker on December 22, 2010, 12:16:15 PM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.


I don't think so. Compare "I get around" with Brian on bass with Bruce on bass. Or more direct, "Barbara Ann": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=654H4xfDYKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=654H4xfDYKM)   Not heavy rock but still more powerful than all '67 versions I know.
Bruce ain't no rock'n'roller and Brian just has/had a great feeling for rythm. Plus Al's lead is not as strong and full as Brian's.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Jay on December 22, 2010, 06:40:02 PM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Good question.  I think the GOK performance would have gone over well.  Barbara Ann probably not.  Not with the times., or for that crowd anyhow. Perhaps Brian would have played bass if Bruce were there to play the organ or piano, which would have been better.  Too bad.  
Maybe if Mike would have played the "Woo Woo Machine"(great name for a band! But I digress...) the hippies tripping on acid would have dug it.  :brian


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: c-man on December 22, 2010, 07:05:00 PM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.

I think they rocked quite well from late '68 on (such as on "Live In London"), mostly due to Denny's spirited drumming...but also listen to the guitars (and bass, and horns) on that version of "Aren't You Glad"...much better IMO than the studio cut.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Chris Brown on December 22, 2010, 07:36:50 PM
Amazing stuff - thanks MBE!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2010, 05:01:27 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.

I think they rocked quite well from late '68 on (such as on "Live In London"), mostly due to Denny's spirited drumming...but also listen to the guitars (and bass, and horns) on that version of "Aren't You Glad"...much better IMO than the studio cut.

They still sound really thin on that, though - Denny is drumming much better there than in '67, too, much stronger. Although that Barbara Ann Rocker posted has some serious balls, i think that's down to Denny belting that rhythm.

I think the guitars were the problem, in all seriousness. Those strats have such a thin sound (i've recently borrowed a friends due to my les paul being back in london and the difference is more than i expected), and those solos really do suffer. They still sound a bit like a surf group (a loaded term in relation to the group), with that garage sound, as opposed to a 'rock' group with a heavy, big amps and crunchy tone thing like The Who, or Hendrix - The Who only had one guitarist, and they sounded heavier than Carl and Al combined! I don't think the 'rock' approach would have suited them, but thats what would have suited Monterrey imo.

It's not like it's Carl and Al's problem, though, they're still focussing on those harmonies. Poor Al doing Brian parts he couldn't even sing! No wonder his guitar playing suffered. Should have brought in the big groups earlier, i think. The early 70's bb's was feasible in the 67-69 period, i think, in terms of the size and power of the band, although i am merely speculating.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Smilin Ed H on December 23, 2010, 07:13:12 AM
"Poor Al doing Brian parts he couldn't even sing"

I think he's doing a pretty good job


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2010, 07:18:16 AM
He does ok, but i'm thinking more along the lines of him always getting lost with the falsettos in GOK or Don't Worry Baby...


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Rocker on December 23, 2010, 07:43:15 AM
Okay, this question just has to be asked:

Would this have been good enough for Monterey ? Remember that the mix isn't very good here (guitars are much too silent). But ever since Bruce started playing bass the drive was gone as "Barbara Ann" shows clearly.

Even with the guitars mixed the way they are, the group are seriously lacking power, and imo did until they got the huge backing groups of the 70's in place. I don't think the lack of Brian on the bass is that big of a deal - Bruce sounds fine, and Carl and Al were probably focussing on their harmonies at the expense of 'rock'.

I think they rocked quite well from late '68 on (such as on "Live In London"), mostly due to Denny's spirited drumming...but also listen to the guitars (and bass, and horns) on that version of "Aren't You Glad"...much better IMO than the studio cut.


Definitely, but '66 -'67 was just kinda embarassing if you compare it with say '64. Thankfully we have the two '66 shows which give a perfect view.




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I think the guitars were the problem, in all seriousness. Those strats have such a thin sound


I might've misunderstood you, but there are no Strats on the '67 footage


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 23, 2010, 07:43:22 AM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?

I am pretty sure that's Al given that he has his own mic. Plus he does sing the high part quite often and sounds a lot like Brian.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Magic Transistor Radio on December 23, 2010, 07:45:58 AM
Great find!!! Im still trying to figure out who is singing the falsetto.
Its not Brian is it? It sounds like Brian.
I dont see him but then the rest of the guys seems to be singing Ba Ba Barbara Ann at the same time.
Usually Bruce would sing Brian's falsetto but he is clearly singing with the rest of the guys.

Any thoughts?

I am pretty sure that's Al given that he has his own mic. Plus he does sing the high part quite often and sounds a lot like Brian.
Ok, somehow, two pages popped up on this thread while I was still typing. :)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 23, 2010, 07:59:29 AM


I think the guitars were the problem, in all seriousness. Those strats have such a thin sound (i've recently borrowed a friends due to my les paul being back in london and the difference is more than i expected), and those solos really do suffer. They still sound a bit like a surf group (a loaded term in relation to the group), with that garage sound, as opposed to a 'rock' group with a heavy, big amps and crunchy tone thing like The Who, or Hendrix - The Who only had one guitarist, and they sounded heavier than Carl and Al combined! I don't think the 'rock' approach would have suited them, but thats what would have suited Monterrey imo.

It's not like it's Carl and Al's problem, though, they're still focussing on those harmonies. Poor Al doing Brian parts he couldn't even sing! No wonder his guitar playing suffered. Should have brought in the big groups earlier, i think. The early 70's bb's was feasible in the 67-69 period, i think, in terms of the size and power of the band, although i am merely speculating.

But the funny thing is that *both* Hendrix and Townshend played Fender Strats at Monterey! Al "Blind Owl" Wilson played a Fender Mustang for Canned Heat that day and tore up the blues, and Mustangs are notoriously thin-sounding guitars, yet Wilson cuts through the mix just fine.

I am more and more convinced that it is the player more than the guitar responsible for the great tone or lack thereof. Not saying there aren't really bad guitars out there, but if you put a budget Strat in the hands of someone like Jack White or John Frusciante today, it will still sound like Jack White and John Frusciante.

I'm also a firm believer in certain guitar-amp combinations being better matches than others. The Fender guitar through Fender amp sound defined pop guitar recordings in the 60's, and if you plug a Strat or a Tele into a Deluxe or a Twin today, it still sounds amazing, of course depending on the player. Put a Les Paul through a valve Marshall or HiWatt or Orange and you'll get "that sound" again depending on who is playing it. Put a 60's Strat through an old Marshall as Frusciante had done and you might just channel some of Jimi's classic rhythm tones if you know the style.

As much as there could have been a poor mix, or poor quality amps for that show (an even greater possibility) I'd point the finger at Al and Carl themselves as guitarists at that time much more than saying it was because they're using Fender guitars.

I'm a Fender guy, BTW... :)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: bgas on December 23, 2010, 08:10:05 AM
Saw Jeff Beck on a PBS special last night,playing a Les Paul tribute show.
THAT was a-fucking-mazing! 
I love guitars( tho I don't play fer crap) and I'm always awed by the different sounds different brands make; I'd expect an electric guitar to be, an electric guitar, with no real differences.
 a pickup is a pickup, right?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Steve Mayo on December 23, 2010, 08:21:09 AM

 a pickup is a pickup, right?

they are on the street corners in my home town,,,  ;D


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: guitarfool2002 on December 23, 2010, 08:45:53 AM
Saw Jeff Beck on a PBS special last night,playing a Les Paul tribute show.
THAT was a-friggin'-mazing! 
I love guitars( tho I don't play fer crap) and I'm always awed by the different sounds different brands make; I'd expect an electric guitar to be, an electric guitar, with no real differences.
 a pickup is a pickup, right?

Jeff Beck is one of a kind, a guitarist who somehow manages to sound revolutionary and different every time he plays, as he gets older. What other guitarist would have the guts to cover Surf's Up?

It's unreal how obsessive some folks are about guitar pickups - apparently Seymour Duncan and others in that field will go so far as to study the exact number of windings a certain classic pickup may have versus another from the same factory, installed in the same production run, and even wound by the same worker at the time, in a quest for that classic tone.

The fact that there were no computer-controlled parameters on things like that is what makes, say, Les Paul #76 from the 1959 run sound different than Les Paul #85 from the same run. It's what makes vintage guitars different than anything made where computers are involved in the process.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: hypehat on December 23, 2010, 03:48:56 PM
Rocker, I coulda sworn.... it's that early onset alzheimers from the insignificant questions thread, i think  :lol

I need to know more about guitars i suppose, but its preying on mind because for the life of me i can't get a decent sound out of this strat i borrowed from a friend. It could be more to do with the fact i've hadd my beloved cheap les paul copy for years, though. It's an interesting thing to think about.

And i didn't know that about the Strats at monterey either! I think i should poss step away from the board until i finish my course of antibiotics.

Btw, in he video, are they playing Gretchs? (sp?)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: c-man on December 23, 2010, 04:54:41 PM
Rocker, I coulda sworn.... it's that early onset alzheimers from the insignificant questions thread, i think  :lol

I need to know more about guitars i suppose, but its preying on mind because for the life of me i can't get a decent sound out of this strat i borrowed from a friend. It could be more to do with the fact i've hadd my beloved cheap les paul copy for years, though. It's an interesting thing to think about.

And i didn't know that about the Strats at monterey either! I think i should poss step away from the board until i finish my course of antibiotics.

Btw, in he video, are they playing Gretchs? (sp?)

In the video, they're playing Gibsons.  Unless one's an Epiphone.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: tpesky on December 23, 2010, 09:12:36 PM
Dah I missed this...gone now!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: STE on December 24, 2010, 02:15:24 AM
Dah I missed this...gone now!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIscI9NL_Y




Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Ian on December 24, 2010, 06:11:49 AM
That was amazing to see.  One of those performances that I wasn't sure still existed (though I kinda figured it did).  If Badman's book was reliable here-then they played more songs and the performance was truncated for TV.  Cool to see Ron Brown-maybe the only footage with him. He joined them for the short Oct 6-8 1967 tour (the last with striped shirts) and again in Nov 1967 (the first white suits tour) but was gone by the summer of 68.  Daryl wasn't on the short Oct 67 tour but was on the Nov 67 tour.    Clips keep turning up.  Although I haven't seen film-someone just turned me on to the fact that the audio from the BBs Aug 1969 app on Happening-with Paul Revere exists and I have heard audio of the now destroyed 1968 Carson appearance as well.   
I have to say that in my opinion-Barbara Ann was a poor choice for that show.  Just my personal opinion (and I know some people love it) but that song sounded dated about a day after they recorded it and sounds horribly out of sync with 1967.  It was decisions like that hurt the band at that time.  Putting out the right single and choosing the right songs to perform on TV were crucial in those days.  But then again-if they did perform more songs-then the TV crew decided what songs to use. 
Cool to see the BBs in their "flower power" look-Dennis with beads, Bruce with a stache. 


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: tpesky on December 24, 2010, 07:01:44 AM
For people who question Al's value to the band, especially the touring band, this performance should be Exhibit A to prove that otherwise! His voice is all over BA and the tag of GOK!


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Rocker on December 24, 2010, 07:20:06 AM
Rocker, I coulda sworn.... it's that early onset alzheimers from the insignificant questions thread, i think  :lol

I need to know more about guitars i suppose, but its preying on mind because for the life of me i can't get a decent sound out of this strat i borrowed from a friend. It could be more to do with the fact i've hadd my beloved cheap les paul copy for years, though. It's an interesting thing to think about.

And i didn't know that about the Strats at monterey either! I think i should poss step away from the board until i finish my course of antibiotics.

Btw, in he video, are they playing Gretchs? (sp?)

In the video, they're playing Gibsons.  Unless one's an Epiphone.



I believe in that interview with Billy about guitars, Carl mentioned an Epiphone during that time.


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If Badman's book was reliable here-then they played more songs and the performance was truncated for TV

Well, there's definitely a cut before "O come all ye faithfull" and the Theremin (Tannerin?) indicates that Good Vibrations was played..... or IJWMFTT, but decide for yourself what's more likely   ;)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: c-man on December 24, 2010, 08:14:48 AM
Cool to see the BBs in their "flower power" look-Dennis with beads, Bruce with a stache. 

Remember, this was the show where Dennis met the Maharishi, and soon the five BBs (minus Bruce, plus Brian) were being inducted into the ways of TM.  That's as "flower power" as they would ever get.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: punkinhead on December 24, 2010, 08:53:40 AM
Dennis' emotions during Oh Come All Ye Faithful is priceless. He really felt the music. Heck, you can see it when the guys perform Their Hearts were Full of Spring on Andy Williams, Dennis in the background mouthing the lyrics.
Now we need a video of him singing Hide Your Love Away, there's some Denny emotion there, I feel it.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: DSamore on December 24, 2010, 09:33:23 AM
aghh! I just found this thread and the video is down. Any re-posts?!  ???


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Rocker on December 24, 2010, 10:04:44 AM
Dennis' emotions during Oh Come All Ye Faithful is priceless. He really felt the music. Heck, you can see it when the guys perform Their Hearts were Full of Spring on Andy Williams, Dennis in the background mouthing the lyrics.



On Shindig he even sang with the other guys in the frontline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jttr7zDfndw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jttr7zDfndw)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: punkinhead on December 24, 2010, 10:15:18 AM
It's amazing how spiritual the guys sound, even without Brian. Sure, it's Brian's vocal blend; (though I'm not saying he worked the parts out).


...I wanna picture Brian playing that organ with all the guys around him recording Smiley tunes. ;)


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: bgas on December 24, 2010, 11:45:05 AM
aghh! I just found this thread and the video is down. Any re-posts?!  ???
You need to slide back a few posts...


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: STE on December 24, 2010, 12:52:59 PM
aghh! I just found this thread and the video is down. Any re-posts?!  ???

and, once again...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgIscI9NL_Y





Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: metal flake paint on December 24, 2010, 02:57:31 PM
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Well, there's definitely a cut before "O come all ye faithfull" and the Theremin (Tannerin?) indicates that Good Vibrations was played..... or IJWMFTT, but decide for yourself what's more likely   ;)

According to Ian, Good Vibrations was also performed.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Fall Breaks on December 24, 2010, 03:34:17 PM
Dennis' emotions during Oh Come All Ye Faithful is priceless. He really felt the music. Heck, you can see it when the guys perform Their Hearts were Full of Spring on Andy Williams, Dennis in the background mouthing the lyrics.



On Shindig he even sang with the other guys in the frontline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jttr7zDfndw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jttr7zDfndw)
Or at least lip-synched with the other guys to a pre-recorded track, it seems. Can someone pick him out in the blend?


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Ian on December 24, 2010, 04:43:58 PM
Like I said-this is the first time I actually saw the footage.  So in my article-I had to base my info on Badman's book.  But it makes sense they'd play that (Good Vibrations) and clearly the performance was edited-so there were more songs played live.  I don't have Badman in front of me-but I think it aired in France in one version and around the world in a more edited, shorter version.  It was a concert event in Paris-so not just an hour. 


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: bgas on December 24, 2010, 08:49:15 PM
Like I said-this is the first time I actually saw the footage.  So in my article-I had to base my info on Badman's book.  But it makes sense they'd play that (Good Vibrations) and clearly the performance was edited-so there were more songs played live.  I don't have Badman in front of me-but I think it aired in France in one version and around the world in a more edited, shorter version.  It was a concert event in Paris-so not just an hour. 

Badman says five songs:  GOK, BA, Darlin, GV, Merry Christmas Baby, and they were backed by a large multi-piece orchestra.    So: 
Were there only 5 songs, he has the Xmas title wrong, and the orchestra is dubbed out? 
Were there 6 songs( the 5 he mentions plus Come all ye Faithful) and the orchestra is dubbed out ? 
Did they do a full set, and he only knows about 5, not all of them being correct, and we  only get to see the ones w/o the orchestra? 
Is this footage not from the same show Badman describes? 
Was the orchestra info  bad information, unrelated to this show? 
What Choices am I missing? 


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: XY on December 24, 2010, 10:24:20 PM
Billboard - January 6, 1968

UNICEF Gala Draws Celebs

PARIS - Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, Marlon Brando, Lena Horne, Victor Borge, The Beach Boys, Serge Reggiani, Fernandel, Johnny Hallyday, Les Parisiennes, Manitas de Plata, Ravi Shankar and The Red Army Choir starred in the annual charity gala in aid of UNICEF at the Paris de Chaillot here recently.

The show, emeed by Jean-Pierre Aumont, was seen by an audience which included almost as many celebrities as were presented on stage - among them John Lennon, George Harrison and Jeanne Moreau.

The three half-hour program was filmed by the ORTF and excerpts were shown on Eurovision and Intervision.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Ian on December 25, 2010, 09:50:04 AM
I have already gone on ad nauseam about Badman's failings-so I won't.  But clearly his source for the songs played must now be viewed as suspect.  All that can be said for sure is that they played Barbara Ann, God Only Knows and O Come All Ye Faithful.  We can speculate that Good Vibrations was also probably also played since the Theramin can be seen.  That may have been it.


Title: Re: 12-67 footage never before seen.
Post by: Bill Ed on December 26, 2010, 12:01:45 AM
Dennis' emotions during Oh Come All Ye Faithful is priceless. He really felt the music. Heck, you can see it when the guys perform Their Hearts were Full of Spring on Andy Williams, Dennis in the background mouthing the lyrics.



On Shindig he even sang with the other guys in the frontline

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jttr7zDfndw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jttr7zDfndw)

Are they lip syncing? Check out the video at the 1:22 mark.