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Sorry, it's christmas and I just had to say it.

And I meant it!

I'm more inclined to ask that he get a haircut.

You know, the prisons of Charles Manson and Phil Spector are right next to each other.

I like to imagine a sitcom in which Manson busts himself and Spector out of jail and hits the road in a last-ditch attempt to revive his music career. Manson would be the smarter one always cooking up hairbrained schemes, while Spector would be barely awake most of the time and serve as the foil.

And it's a good thought, especially with money being so tight! 
Now the only problem I foresee:  Who is going to provide all the free music? 
I hope it's new 180 G vinyl, as I don't have any Spector like that. 

I hope he spends the rest of his life behind bars for killing a person. 

"One man's death is a tragedy. A thousand deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

He'd know. He created a few statistics in his heyday.

To hell with Phil Spector...let him rot.

Could be a roadmovie too: Charlie and Phil. Who should be the leads?

Great thinking. Call me if you need a writing partner.

Guys if you had to choose between letting Spector out or Manson out which one would it be?

Which ever one would kill the other.

Let them both out and introduce Spector to Manson as a famous record producer. (Because, well, he is or at least used to be.) Manson could then play some of his songs for Spector, hoping to get signed or produced or something. Spector would, of course, be a flippant jerk to him about the terrible quality of his "music" or at least try to take creative control (and we know how much Manson doesn't like that!). This would piss off Manson and he'd get violent -- causing Spector to do the same -- and they'd both end up killing each other. Win-win!

You mean a wig cut?

In Manson's defense:
- He never personally killed anyone, Spector did.
- He already spend over 40 years in prison, Spector just a year and a half.
- Manson's already 76 years old.

In Spector's defense:
- Manson was involved with a lot more murders than Spector.
- Spector's crazy, Manson's evil.
- I guess Manson would still be a greater threat to society than Spector.

I'd say neither, but if I really had to choose I'd let Spector go.

damn this thread is messed up. 

... with 4 gallons?

BTW: had Spector drunk heavily on the night of the shooting of ms. Clarkson? I always tend to think that in his case, a fatal combination of medication and booze led to the incident. For instance: antidepressants and strong drink can take away all of a person's moral judgment, his inhibition about evil deeds.

The French actress Marie Trintignant died some 10 years ago, because her partner beat her off of a staircase, and she fell lethally. The man was not criminal, nor abnormal. He'd done it under the combined effects of antidepressants and whiskey. He served, IIRC, 8 years in all, in Estonia, because there were these mitigating circumstances (i.e. he did really not know what he was doing, nor foresee what the effect might be).

"Free Phil Spector... with every two copies of Christmas Gift to You purchased!"

 ::)

Surprised no-one else went for it! 

Manson was involved in the murder of Shorty Shea, wasn't he? Spector's always been a loose canon ready to explode.

I vote to let Charlie free because he has far more charisma and gives very entertaining interviews to the media (which he has not had a chance in a while to do so). And he could record a new album called "Charles Manson Re-imagines Bing Crosby". "White Christmas" anybody? And we're talkin' white power white?

That's the guy from Noir Desir, right? Never heard about her falling off a staircase, from what I heard she died from the beatings and not from falling. But I could be wrong.

Wiki has a synopsis of what happened and you are both on the right track.  What is shocking is the long delay after she was beaten and when the health care people were called in.  She was in Lithuania making a movie about the French novelist Collette.  What a tragedy.  She was a beautiful actress / woman.  Interesting "sententicng" guidelines...

She is in Père Lachaise in Paris.   

Spector had always been a dick with guns, waving them around to intimidate people. It's amazing he'd never shot someone before Lana, be it accidental or deliberate.


Shorty Shea's death is always going to be a mystery as to who done what. Of the convicted, I'd say Tex Watson is the main culprit along with Bruce Davis and Clem. As for who instigated it , lets just say Tex had much more of a motive than Charlie did.

Anywhooo, how about a X-Mas message for us all Charlie?

I don't think he's guilty. I think he was punished for being eccentric.  And even if he is guilty, he's Phil Spector, let him out!

Listen to this backing track, it was cut in '64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlQ3YwCKeU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPlQ3YwCKeU)

(Pet) Sound familiar?

I love him, unashamedly

At least someone does eh?

If the man killed someone, and like it or not, a jury of his peers determined that he did, the fact that he's Phil Spector matters not. He took another person's life. He's going to pay for it. That's just as ludicrous as people using the insanity defense in the United States.

I wonder if you'd sing the same song if Phil Spector killed someone close to you.

Exactly. I'm sick and tired of killers getting away with murder (pardon the pun) just because they're celebrities. If you killed someone in cold blood, you deserve to rot. Period. And I don't care how much he had to drink...I've been wasted on different substances many times in my life, and murder has NEVER crossed my mind. It'd a damn excuse, and a poor one at that.

In any case, this whole thread probably belongs in the Sandbox...

Hey, gifted producer, but, uh, murderer, you know, and round the twist on top of that. He was found guilty of killing someone, so he stays in jail. End of.

Personally, it should be noted, since I'm expecting Mr. Newcombe to return with a whole lot of nonsense (as usual), that we're not denying Phil Spector what he's achieved as a musician and producer. But the fact remains that he killed someone. He murdered someone. Took a person's LIFE. No rhyme or reason for doing it. I mean, I'm trying to give Mr. Newcombe a proper perspective, here.

Saying that the man should be pardoned for murdering someone because he's Phil Spector? I'm sorry, that's just sick. Would you say the same if he killed your mother?

Also, I think it's worth mentioning too that Spector has a history of violent abuse towards women. That he actually ended up killing one is, frankly, not all that surprising and I think he should have been dealt with sooner before it got to that point. Then again, the likelihood of that happening was even less given that he's famous too. It's a shame really.

Thanks, I try my best. I am a vulgar man, but my music is not vulgar. (or something like that from Amadeus)
Shameless plug
http://www.stephennewcombe.com/index.htm (http://www.stephennewcombe.com/index.htm)

But back to Phil,

I'm just not convinced he did it that's all. If there was irrefutable evidence then I would not be saying all this. But there is not irrefutable evidence. On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that would suggest he did not do it. Lack of blood on his clothes being the main one.

And of course I would not want him freed just because of who he is, if he was guilty. I just have a warped sense of humour, offending people  makes me giggle and I really shouldn't do it because I also want to be loved, so sorry if I offended anyone (or am I?)

But then imagine if Mozart had killed someone, obviosly he shouldn't be imprisoned under any circumstance, unless of course he killed another Great Composer.

Any thoughts, anyone.......?

And please really, I don't mean to offend anyone (or do I?)

gosh you're a loser lol.  sorry i don't mean to offend (or do i?  i'll answer, yes. loser.)

Spector's prints were on the gun. He did it, end of.

Moving this to Sandbox.

This place is worse than the blueboard,

Full of sanctimonious, anally retentive windbags with no sense of humour and even worse grammar.

And I really have better things to do with my time.

Goodbye forever!!!!

Boo hoo hoo :(

:lol


You were joking, right?

(http://www.darconet.com/images/waahmbulance.PNG)

Take a ride...

Why free him?
The #1 thing we want from him is an album or archive release...and he wouldn't do either one had he be released. catch my drift?

Unless he does a 'StarSailor' reunion.   ;)