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The author can't even get the lead singer right.

http://www.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=530273&articleID=

No good vibrations for Beach Boys fans
Updated: 03:49, Monday October 25, 2010
The Gold Coast 600's inaugural concert has been rocked by claims headline act 'The Beach Boys' lip-synched.

Organisers insist it was a live performance but that didn't stop dozens of fans from walking out in disgust.

'The Beach Boys were a fraud, they were miming everything,' said one fan.

'You could tell they weren't even singing, he was barely even moving,' said another about legendary front-man Brian Wilson.

Industry experts were unable to determine if the performance was live, saying it was too close to call.

Jeesh, I thought you just cut and pasted an excerpt from the article. Nope, that's the whole thing!!! Wow, great article Sky News!  ::)

Brian Wilson was there? Ha ha!

Now wait a minute... did the reunion already take place?

I think this concert came at the end of a long day of racing. Most of the dozens 'leaving' would have been there for the racing only.

Nice job! ;D

The attendance for the race was somewhere between 100,000 and 145,000.  ::)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLADiXpd94s

Kokomo

Yep, after watching , I can see they were definitely lip-sinking. 

I dunno, Mike sounds just as worn-out and lifeless as ever, so...

And these folks are sometimes compared favorably with Brian Wilson's band?

Yep, and right here on this board, too. But watch out-the unwritten law here is you can do hard time if you make comments about them but haven't wasted bucks on a ticket to see them first. :police:

Mike sounds like he slipping into a coma on Kokomo. Summertime Blues is much better.

yeah its amazing how his voice suddenly picks up when he is not singing a Beach boys tune..In this concert anyway..Maybe he is singing Smiley Smile style?

Okay, so you can't see his lips move but I've gotta say that if Mike & Co were gonna lip-sync, they'd've done so to a better vocal track. Suspect Mike wouldn't've been happy putting that out.

There is something very wrong with this picture; and enormous flaws in the report.  I was not at that show... However, I have seen no fewer than a dozen in the last year, up front, and they were using the Surfin' track to come on stage...then swing into the live stuff...It resonates in the speakers while they are going onstage. 

If anyone cares to check YouTube's  Dancing With the Stars Beach Boys performance, from last spring, Mike's voice was strained from bronchitis or pneumonia or something and did not seem to be a track they were using.  [Although I am sure there is some lovely "magic" along the line.]  Mike pulled himself through the performance, sick or not.  Mike is a pro.  I have seen him "hold the note" for Be True to Your School..."Whennnn" and they incorporate that into the skit.  I expect a few mistakes...it makes them human like the "rest of us" and keeps it real.  I have heard a "sound check" and those are "real voices" (a cappella) coming out of those speakers. 

Now, that said, I know zero about how stage sound systems work...but first, this makes no sense to travel all that distance and lip-synch, and second, the whole "front man" Brian Wilson thing is evidence of no authentication of the story and less homework done. 

And, I see little glitches now and then but I go for the "live-flaws and all" deal, or I could save my money and would stay home and listen to a "perfect and sanitized" studio version.  It sounds more "media staged" to me after listening to all this hysteria.  JMHO   

Did anyone spot Brian?  ; ::)

Good point...but that does not put the "best foot forward" having a story covered by someone who does not know the members of the band, and even if the person was very young, doing the reporting, it would behoove them to read up on the history of the band, before they covered the event.  It says more about the reporting than it does about the band. No journalistic credibility is a bad thing in that business. 

The article has apparently been edited as it now states Mike Love insead of the previously reported Brian Wilson.

Very sloppy work...it was an apparently well-promoted and heavily attended event...and unfortunate reporting.

Sheesh! Now it's been mentioned on BBC2.

After viewing the YouTube video, I don't see how anyone could think that's lipsynching.

Too bad someone did not send them a copy of a recent and still brilliantly executed "a cappella" of  "Their Hearts Were Full of Spring."



 

Kokocoma!

From the BBB site.

Lip-Synching Vocals In Concert?
Posted on October 26, 2010 at 06:12:01 AM by Bruce Johnston

Whenever people suggest that we might be lip-synching our concert vocals instead of singing them live, to me it means that all our band and vocal rehearsals plus the daily sound checks before our concerts must really be paying off!
I don't think the band wants to fly 15,000 miles round trip to a great country like Australia just to move their lips!

Bruce Johnston
Monteito
October 25, 2010

Good answer!

However!....6.22  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYqfpxBVGQs

However? Lip-syncing for a TV show and doing it in concert are two different animals. Some shows required it, while others like The Ed Sullivan Show required live or live to tape performances. The Beach Boys bread and butter have always been their live shows and lip-syncing is not a road that they would ever go down.

If you see a lot of live Boys shows, you know they are not lip syncing.  You can see that is not so.  And the touring thing  has been their strong suit.  And that is why this story seems so bizarre, to me, notwithstanding what some TV shows might require.  I know nothing about TV production, or production in general. 

As a fan, who attends a number of these shows, they do a cappella without instruments, which is extremely rare for performers these days, and numbers which require some real vocal intensity, and they don't sound exactly the same at each show.  That is the attraction in seeing them in different venues.  They sound a little different outdoor than from an inside venue and work hard to ensure that the last row can hear as well as the first.

They are both "live" and "alive" in their performances...

http://www.torontosun.com/entertainment/music/2010/10/26/15836226-wenn-story.html


The Beach Boys frontman Mike Love and keyboard player Tim Bonhomme have fired back at reports the band has taken to lip-syncing at concerts.

Fans of the group accused the bandmates of miming at a high-profile concert in Australia on Saturday night, but Bonhomme, who also serves as the act's tour manager, insists the allegations are simply not true.

He tells WENN, "We do not lip sync. I want to make it 100 per cent clear that The Beach Boys do not and never have lip-synced their concerts.

"They have been touring since 1961 and generally have performed in more than a hundred cities a year since the beginning. I guess we should take it as a compliment that it sounded so good."

And longtime Beach Boys leader Love adds, "Throughout the duration of my stay in Australia I heard nothing but positive feedback on our show... We pride ourselves on providing a great live show to our millions of fans around the world and spent time that day soundchecking our vocals to ensure a great live mix. In our almost 50 years of performing The Beach Boys have never lip-synced and we are not about to start."

The lip-syncing claims came from fans who attended the Gold Coast 600 concert, which The Beach Boys headlined.

Reports suggest many concertgoers left the Southport Parklands venue before the end of the show, with some accusing the band of lip-syncing their set.

A statement from the event's management team reads, "Due to ongoing speculation surrounding the Saturday evening performance of The Beach Boys, the management team of the Armor All Gold Coast 600... would like to unequivocally state that the performance by the Beach Boys on Saturday evening was a live performance.

"Suggestions that The Beach Boys were lip-syncing are false. A slight delay between the vision being played on the big screens at the 600 Sounds presented by Hard Rock precinct and what was happening on stage did occur, as sometimes happens with live performances, and this may have contributed to the confusion felt by some event-goers."

Guess he forgot about the 25th anniversary concert in Waikiki.

Ok , BUT can someone please explain the vocal intro to 'Why Do Fools Fall In Love' ?????????????????????????

I put the Lip Snch drama on my FACEBOOK and Christian Love deleted me!!
How un-kind!!

A bit touchy for such a BIG , important star. But you know the Love family history. ::)

That is a good joint statement by Mike and Tim.  In my home I have cable boxes and several TVs which are direct lined into the wall.
The broadcasts are "sent out" at the same time, but one TV has the audio and video "come through" before the other with the cable box.  There is a "delay" of a second or so because it it not transmitted through another device.   

This is the only way I can get my "head around" what happened, because I have no technical sound system training or background. 

What is surprising is that people who listen to this music and discuss it in the greatest detail, will not give the band the "benefit of the doubt," and stand on the side of the experts who analyzed the situation and, while they did not say it DID NOT happen, they would not say that it DID.  They would not put their professional credentials on the line to say they were not singing.  It was sensationalism at its worst and which makes real journalists look bad.

Those "Doubting Thomases" who rely on having seen the Boys in the 90's and prior to that time, and haven't seen a live show since then,  might consider taking a leap of faith to see a show to judge for themselves.   Absent that, there is enough live performance catalog on YouTube, and close up, if there is any doubt that they are singing. There are hundreds of them.  All those clips could not be a false representation of the shows.

Professional integrity is a big deal.  They often come off the stage dripping wet with sweat from performing.  Those who lip sync don't break a sweat.             

You should see all the Brian haters(or is that Mike lovers) that post on his FB!! Its craazy..

After a show in Sweden 2009 some people claimed that the Beach Boys lip synched. The guy who said this pointed out a couple of songs and the fact that Mike was standing too far from the microphone. It was easy to solve and respond to as those were songs where Mike didn't sing lead....
I think a lot of people gets confused with a group singing complex harmonies when the Jumbotron guy zooms in on Mike.

Re DVD/TV performances:
DVD shows often includes footage from different shows edited to make it as good as possible...
The Brian Wilson on Tour DVD even features clothes changes between lyrics and refrain!



//RD

Needless to say, a cadre of Blooies fell on this tawdry piece of bad journalism as a starving man on bread and used it to once more trot out the infantile "Brian good/everyone else bad/Mike evil" party line. Notably some idiot called John Potter who, according to some of his posts, is in a BB tribute band (anyone see some heavy irony here ?  ::) ),  and is definitely something of a post-whore.

Ahhh, hypocracy at it's dismal best-Seems on that paticular thread (on the BW) you outposted Potter 8 to his 5. And with 5774 here and who knows how many elswhere, who exactly is the "post whore"? Sigh... ::)

Definition of post-whore; one who posts merely to see their name on a monitor, irrespective of content.  ;D

Inasmuchas as he clearly doesn't know WTF he's talking about (something that's been noted higher up the food chain, btw) - I asked him, quite politely (I know, not like me at all, but there it is) to point me at some M&B gigs that supported his claim that they'd lip-synched before and surprise !, he ignored the question - yeah, I'd tag that 'irrespective of content', as the useful content is 0%. As stated, he's a member of a BB tribute band, which for some reason I find hugely amusing. But then, I'm quirky like that...  :old