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What tracks are you surprised/shocked that have had a release on either an album or compilation of rarities?

What tracks are you surprised/shocked that haven't been released that 'you've heard in some form'  ;D?


What tracks are you surprised/shocked (surprised at their inclusion) that have had a release on either an album or compilation of rarities?

Walk On By, surprised that a snippet would be released on a twofer....actually I'm more surprised Our Prayer is on 20/20...honestly, even though it's a smile leftover, it seems like an artsy move.
TM Song and Susie Cincinnati on 15 Big Ones, imho, their production seems outta place.
Passing By- though I love the tune and just hearing Brian's voice gets me off, I can't believe the guys didn't want more of a tune with substance, then again Mike wasn't really at 3/4 of the sessions for Friends.
Sea Cruise- I'm surprised it's the only cover of 15 Big Ones that's found it's way is a given 'rarity' on a compilation...kinda surprised none of the other oldies have been released...though I'm not including alternate mixes of others such as: Rock and Roll Music and Come Go with Me.
Beatles tunes on Party!- I'm kinda surprised 3 Beatles tunes made it to the album, I'm glad they are, they're really good...wasn't Ticket to Ride recorded too? I'm just surprised Smoke Joe's Cafe or Satisfaction weren't included.
Mt. Vernon and Fairway- I'm kinda shocked this did get released. This seems like some myth-like story in which Brian writes and records it, the other guys say: "WHAT?!??!?" and Brian, with his low self-esteem says: "screw it" and doesn't release it....Then it would be obsessed over and over on message boards such as this one; and maybe find release on a rarity comp.
Male Ego- I'm surprised this superior (than half the songs on BB85) track wasn't part of the album: BB85.

EDIT: TODAY! tracks- surprised these haven't found releases like Kiss Me Baby and In the Back of the Mind, dern shame.
I'm fascinated on how the early track 'Little Surfer Girl' found its way on the GV boxed set, being just a snippet and not really sounding like Surfer Girl (if that's what its intentions were).
Shocked that tracks like Surfer Moon, She Knows Me Too Well, Then I Kissed Her, and Pet Sounds (instrumental) found their way onto the GV box set; and to add, surprised there's no tunes in between BB85 and Kokomo; I could see California Dreamin', Make it Big, Somewhere near Japan, Spirit of Rock and Roll (live in Hawaii), Rock and Roll to the Rescue, Lady Liberty, or Still Cruisin' being added in between there. I think Child of Winter and It's a Beautiful Day should have been included for historical sake.
I'm Surprised All Dressed Up for School, Land Ahoy, You're Welcome, and Can't Wait Too Long never ended up on any official album during the 60s.




What tracks are you surprised/shocked (that they weren't included) that haven't been released that 'you've heard in some form'?

I Do, I'm surprised it wasn't released on Shut Down Vol. 2, it would have benefited the album a great deal, as would She rides with Me (that is if the BB had recorded it).
Do you Have Any Regrets?- I have no idea where it'd fit in the Brian Wilson solo catalog, but I'm surprised it hasn't been re-recorded by the man himself, it's a great tune; hell, I could see him and Joe Thomas trying to make a version of it, then again, it was prolly too early for Brian to mess around with Landy/Sweet Insanity material. Same goes for Spirit of Rock and Roll, I can't believe it got released some 15 years later, great tune.
I'm also surprised none of the Paley sessions made their way to the Imagination album (besides Where has Love Been?, but then again, was that during the Paley era or Imagination/Joe Thomas era?)
Loop de Loop- I know this was released on the Endless Harmony soundtrack, but I'm really surprised it didn't get released until about 30 some odd years...it's such a tour de force song. Same goes for California Feeling, I'm really surprised it didn't find its release until 30 some years later.
It's Trying to Say- I'm surprised this song never found an official release, it's simple lyrics and favored vocal by Dennis would have been great on Love You or MIU


Live tracks I'm surprised that haven't released officially (as a full concert or rarity on comp): Imagine (early 80s), Mr. Moto (early 60s), It's OK (any era), I can Hear Music (late 60s or 80s), This Whole World (80s), Breakaway, You Need a Mess of Help, any Love You tracks, Back Home (if any good recordings exist), Friends, Wild Honey (Blondie C. lead vocal), Your Song (Bruce lead), BEACHAGO material, Feel Flows, Getcha Back, Some of Your Love, I Write the Songs, Country Air, Forever (Dennis vocals), Still Cruisin', Good Timin', River Song.

EDIT: I'm also surprised a clean live or studio cut of I've got a Friend hasn't been released.
I'm surprised Stevie wasn't on any official release.
I'm really surprised more of Dennis' Bambu material did get released on later rarity releases: ie: It's Not Too Late (especially with Carl's vocals), Holy Man (instrumental), Under the Moonlight Companion, and Love Remember Me.
I'm surprised the tune/melody of the following songs have not popped up in any of Brian's released solo material: Marilyn Rovell, Stevie, My Mary Anne, Life is For the Living, I'm Begging You Please, Black Widow, Mona Kani, That Special Feeling, The Boogies Back In Town, Must Be A Miracle, Christmas Time, Everyone wants to Live, Lines, Heavenly Bodies, Chain Reaction of Love, Looking Down the Coast, Concert Tonight (full tune), Winter Symphony, Heavenly Lovers, Country Feelin, We Gotta Groove, I'm Broke, It's Trying to Say, Out in the Country, and I Sleep Alone.

I'm surprised Everybody Wants to Live didn't make it on Love You, but Love is a Woman did (or Good Time was included, considering how it had "classic" Brian.)

Even more surprised that the 1974 material hasn't leaked :lol

I'm surprised that Drip Drop leaked out. Actually, I'm REALLY shocked that the "cocaine tapes" surfaced(although quite glad to hear it  ;D). You'd think that it would be something that the "powers that be" would keep a tight lid on. That being said, I don't think we, the fans, would have the recordings if Carl were still living.

I agree with the items you said to be surfaced...but why do you think that of Carl still being alive? You think he would have done more to protect those songs?

AGREED

We're talking about the guy who vetoed a song off the GV boxset because he blew one single word(Soulfull Old Man Sunshine). It just seems to me that Carl was very concious of what did and didn't get heard by the public.

Good Call!

I also think that Carl would tend to be overly protective of his brother. Which raises an interesting question. What if Carl ended up being the "wifeandmanagers" in Brian's life? Would he escape the blame, only because he was Carl Wilson?

Of course he would, because he'd make better decisions.

Wasn't this partly due to the planned release of a rarities album that never appeared?

And was there also a problem with the rights to certain songs? For example, in the booklet it stated that Where I Belong is clearly the standout song from BB85 but it still wasn't included.

NICE, I haven't read that booklet in years...Where I Belong is so underrated

I'm surprised that you guys have the patience to read all this text..   :-D

Carl couldn't have had veto power or any control over bootlegs like the Cocaine Tapes or Drip Drop - or anything else that wasn't being officially released.

I'm surprised that Sea Cruise wasn't released on 15BO. It would've been a much better fit than Everyone's In Love With You, which sounds to me like it doesn't belong there at all.

It should be noted that the so-called "cocaine tapes" went around a good eight or nine years before they were "officially" booted. It's a cyclic process. The stuff that came out wholesale in the 90s on bootleg was going around via traders as early as 1977.

That.

Also, how many times did the BBs try to put out "Hey Little Tomboy" before it finally came out on MIU?  I'm surprised at how confident they apparently felt about that tune.

"Drip Drop".  You mean "Teardrops On My Bed"?  What makes you think that one leaked out?  It isn't on any boot (that I know of).

True... but there's a kind of limbo between the securely locked vaults, and boots. Let's say it's in 'limited circulation'.  ::)

I'm fairly certain everyone on this board can easily get this tune. One day it just showed up...

 ;D

This process annoys me. Like it was only a mistake we proles got 'Get The Boot' because someone managed to leak it...... it doesn't appeal to my inner communist. Share the wealth!  :lol

That wasn't leaked - those tracks were stolen from someone's (legitimate) possession while they was hosting an open house. Caused the individual in question no end of trouble until they could prove they weren't directly responsible. Utterly despicable behavior on all levels.

what text?
my original post?
or the GV Boxed set liner notes?

It's funny you say that because that's what almost happened. Brian, after a sojourn with hard cider and Randy Newman's Sail Away, returned with the music for "Mt. Vernon and Fairway." He played the odd melodies to Jack Rieley, who added lyrics. Brian knew he had something special on his hands. The world had to hear this.

One day, the rest of the Beach Boys, sans Dennis, walked in the studio to find Brian hard at work on the fairytale, his Moog keyboard by his side, all of which was a bit of shock. Brian wasn't fond of the studio by this time and rarely visited. Brian ecstatically played the fairytale for the group, who were secretly hoping they were about to hear a finished version of SMiLE.

"It was one of the most creative things we had done up to that point," Brian reflected.

The group's initial reaction was a bit different.

"What the foder is this?" someone pipes up, only to be silenced by some rude glances from Carl and Al.

Brian's eyes glaze over. They want me to write songs and be creative but they don't, he thinks to himself.  

"It's a fairytale about the Pied Piper, the Prince's only friend of night, and a magical transistor radio that only the Prince can hear," Brian says.

No one knows how to respond. Finally, Mike breaks the silence.

"Yeah, Brian. That's... interesting. Um, we'll have to work on that some more later, sweeten it up a bit, maybe release it as part of a little promo EP or something," Mike says. "Y'know me and Al are working on a really cool song, kinda like 'California Girls' meets 'Cottonfields'. Wanna hear it? It could really use that beautiful high voice you do."

Brian can't believe it. They hate it, he thinks. They trashed it. They think I'm washed up, a lunatic. They'd rather do their own songs. foder it, why did I even waste my time?
 
"Um... no thanks, guys. I just remembered that I have some stuff to do. I'll catch you guys later," Brian says.

He darts out of the room and gets in his rental car.

"Wait, Brian!" someone shouts.

Carl and Al give chase, but Brian's car is already pulling out into the road. As Brian drives home, he lights up a joint and reflects on what his life has become. He's about to go home, but he sees a bar and thinks better of it. I'll have a couple drinks first to cool off, he reasons to himself.

After a small argument, the rest of the group get back to working on "California Saga". It almost sounds like Brian could've wrote parts of it.

"You know Brian, that's just how he is. Too sensitive," Mike says at one point during the session.

A few weeks later, Carl presents a nearly finished version of "Mt. Vernon and Fairway" to Brian as a gift, to raise his spirits. Carl had used same tapes Brian made with Jack to work on it. Since the incident with the band, Brian had been spending most of his time drinking and smoking Dutch hash. When Carl visits Brian to tell him about  "Mt. Vernon and Fairway", he finds Brian on the couch, stoned out of his mind. Brian's listening to Sail Away.

"Hey, man. You need to come back to the studio soon. I need you. I got some tapes from Jack and I've been working on the fairytale. I dig it, man, but I can't finish it without you," Carl says.

"Oh yeah, man. I dig that song, too, man. It's groovy. So far out. Hey, you wanna smoke some hash?"

While we're on the subject, I kinda can't believe the Mt. Vernon various instrumental cuts were included on the GV box set...It seems like something we'd get on a Hawthorne CA disc or a re-release of Holland. It's possibly one of the best, previously unreleased, non-Smile, track included on that box set.

Two words. David. Leaf.

so not such a bad guy after all?  ???


I guess we could devote a whole post to good/bad things about him  ;)

...

We don't like Beautiful Dreamer?

I loved it when I first saw it in 2004 but now I find it 1-sided and not very factual. Kind of on the other end of the spectrum of the American Family tv thing. Or comparing FOX news to MSNBC here in the states. I prefer the second disc (the concert and bonus interviews) but my copy is 1400 miles away so I'll have to wait to watch it again.

I didn't know one of the Smiley members felt this way, do others?

Why do you think it's one sided? because there's no other BB involvement?

It's been a few years since I've seen it but it doesn't paint the other BBs in a good way. Also watching Brian during early vocal rehearsals is very depressing. I'd go with Endless Harmony as my favorite more balanced documentary.

Two things did it for me:

1 - the editing that made it look like Paul went backstage before the first show...

2 - the amount of time afforded to the odious, smug, greasy, unrepentant Loren Daro (Schwartz) to tell his tales of turning Brian on to acid.

Both valid points. Anderle came across well though but not as much as Ed Roach in the Dennis doc (he would be a BLAST to hang out with!). It seems to me that BD was made to look Brian crazier than he is but then again I've never met the guy so I don't really know. I'm learning more about him from hanging out here than I ever had before.

Did the Party Line change? Gotta call Kim Jong-Il ASAP, now that he still can do an edict on that one. I don't wanna go to the Gulag.

It was a good documentary for sure but it did try to reinforce the myth once again that Smile was shelved due to the rest of the group hating it.

Lets look at the members indivdual reactions to the project.

Dennis loved it unconditionally. He thought it was Brian's best work yet.
Carl also loved it but had reservations about how well it would appeal to existing fans. He also produced a track around this period with a very similar Smile feel to it so he was willing to go in this direction for better or worse.
Al seemed more worried about Brian's drug intake then the direction of the music.
Mike voiced strong concerns but then he'd also been against much of Pet Sounds.
Bruce wasn't yet an official member so I doubt he would have felt in the position to offer much opinion either way.

So to say 'the band hated it' is just not true.

My opinion is that if the band was willing and did release the much weirder Smiley Smile album, then I doubt whether there was a whole lot of resistance against the Smile tracks. They may have voiced their concerns at first, but if Brian had finished Smile, the band would have released it.

Yes... but isn't fiction more adveturous than bland truth? What are we to do with all the myths, worries, love, fear, concern, hate, dreadful rows, friendships re-built, and thousands of bootlegs that we cherished like splinters of the Holy Cross itself over all of these years?

Always remember, as much as Mike might have voiced his concerns and reservations with this material, he then proceeded to do his best for Brian: he might not have had a clue what "over and over/the crow cries/uncover the cornfield" meant, but he sang the bejazus out of it.  :)

Yes -- any discussion about BB hate for Smile ultimately comes down to a handful of confounding facts.

-- There was some dissent in the band over Smile music (and, more generally, the whole PS-GV progression into pop-psych).

-- All the band members still did it.

-- Smiley Smile -- perhaps the least-commercial album by a major band -- was released in Smile's place.

And as much as we talk and discuss and argue, these facts are all still true. And it brings us to that irritating place where heroes and villains are few, motives are plentiful, and mental illness begins to ruin the life of one Brian Douglas Wilson.

I agree with Andrew's criticisms along with disliking the overly-simplistic "band didn't like it" slant. But, overall, I think BEAUTIFUL DREAMER at least attempts to address the SMiLE issue at length (which the other docs were not able to do). While I think the inclusion of the "here's how we should put SMiLE together" staged footage between Darian and Brian was a mistake, I'm commend Leaf on including the footage of Brian barely cooperating with the early tour rehearsals; it's harrowing stuff, but really shows the mood swings Brian's mental illness can cause.

Mike gets a bum rap as the person who single-handedly killed Smile. As the years have passed, the picture becomes clearer and clearer that Brian alone killed Smile. The true life of Brian in 1966 has to read just as bizarre as any myth or work of fiction. Like Curly of the Three Stooges said: "Truth is stranger than fiction, Judgy Wudgy".

Do you think that footage would have been shown, or indeed would there have been any DVD at all, if the eventual outcome had been less uplifting ?  Triumph in the face of adversity - been a staple cliche of the movie business since the days of Edison and Lumiere.


An irrefutable fact. Who said "that's it, not doing this any more" ?  Here's a hint: his initials weren't MEL.  Brian did what he considered necessary at the time to retain his sanity, and the odds are he was entirely justified in this decision, but in the final analysis, his was the finger on the 'off' switch.

I think had Brian had a clear plan of what he wanted to do and how to pull it all together, Mike would have continued on. For the rest of the band, recording Smile must have felt scattered and disorienting. I'm sure all the work that they put into it and not hearing fully delveloped results had to be frustrating. These guys were used to working in a structured environment singing fully structured songs, not the fragments that they were recording for many of the Smile tunes.

"SMiLE wasn't Beach Boys music."

- Brian Wilson


Uh............yeah, sure, Brian.  And Smiley Smile was?

Been wondering about that one for years.

Beautiful Dreamer taught me that dropping acid is like being in a Disney movie, full of puffy clowds and floating musical notes!  Whee!

C'mon.

I love it because it's Brian and it's the story of Smile, but I have major issues with the way they dealt with "the red herring" subject of drugs.  And I agree with Andrew...Schwartz turns my stomach.   

True...but it wasn't as if they had no other "adversity" to show! I still feel that scene is an honest document of Brian shutting down and attempting to withdraw from the situation.

I couldn't agree more about Loren.


The 'Smile is so good it makes Pet Sounds stink' quote is referenced in the doc, though briefly.


Is it not a little more complicated though because one vocal session was cancelled altogether because of certain tensions wasn't it?


Where is that quote from?

Not heard that before. Source, please ?  Brian cancelled some sessions because "the vibes" weren't right, but those were for tracks, not vocals.

I made it up.

Ahhh ok, I think I was thinking about the Surf's Up session with the film crew? And they just filmed Brian solo in the end...

Thats for AGD btw...I'm told to review my post XD

The fight at the filmed session on 12/15/66 is one of those fabricated myths: because Jules Seigel wrote 'the session went badly' and later quoted Brian as using the phrase "let's get into something non-confrontational" (or the like), people jumped to the conclusion that there was some kind of blowout between Mike & Brian, with one noted author stating as fact in print that the argument was captured on film. Then when Oppenheim's notes were unearthed, no mention of any confrontation at all. The session 'went badly' because they didn't perform well. That's all. More to the point, the rest of the band had left before Brian did "Surf's Up": the 'bad' part of the sessions was for "Wonderful".  :)

Jeez, and I did that without even thinking, much less looking any of it up. I need to go down the store and get me a life...

Sam, I was kidding.  Brian actually did say that somewhere; I don't remember when/where. That might even have been a paraphrase.

Oh.... I know who you mean, via careful reading of this board.... I guess, and this reflects on me badly as a person, that I don't mind bootlegging as long as it's a victimless crime. Although I don't know the circumstances of many bootlegs coming into circulation.... I always thought it was clandestine sneaking, and the way those Get The Boot tapes came into circulation seemed particularly disgusting, even to these bootleg thirsty ears.

Shows how much I know, i suppose  ;D

All bootlegging is good.

If Capitol or the band members themselves aren't going to release vaulted stuff, I'm damn happy at least someone is -- or a group of people are -- willing to do it for them.

with what's released of the Today!/Summer Days sessions, I'm surprised there's no official release of the Sandy track(s)

Looks like this got a bit off subject.     

But on the subject of Loren on the dvd, ...I too found his presentation surprising and obnoxious....
Very immature..like an adolescent bragging to a friend how he secretetly dosed someone with acid and took some kind of perverse pride in putting this person through a very bad experience.  I wonder if he saw the film and realized that he really looked like a jerk.

As for surprising tracks...I've heard quite a few but one that stands out is "Life is for the Living".  Big production, horns, big band vegas style, great vocals, and lines like "don't sit around on your ass smoking grass......"  Now here is a song you can play for your BB naive friends.

That's not what Moses said to the children of Israel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/nov/23/beach-boys-soulful-old-man-sunshine?INTCMP=SRCH

Cool little article and link!

Exactly

Sandy trax= Genuis. Love, Love, LOVE this track. I've lost sleep lamenting the fact that this song wasn't completed.

Surprisingly AMAZING unrleased tracks- You're Still A Mystery and Soul Searching...

Soulful Old Man Sunshine, Desper`s Til I Die, studio Graduation Day, Sound of Free, Brian`s CA feeling from 1974, Ca Girls track, LDC demo, just to name a few.

David Leaf is a close and dear friend...he asked the BBs to interview for Beautiful Dreamer, but they declined. Loren Daro sincerely believes what he said. He and many other  people I have met through the years sincerely believe they are opening peoples`with acid. That it has "side effects" is ddoes not occur to them.

Words of wisdom.

Arghh, judging by the list of those tracks, it seems like 1974 "California Feelin'" really is all it's cracked up to be. I really hope they include it in a release within the next year, as I'm assuming there will be at least one or two more Beach Boys releases for the 50th anniversary.

And here's the thing about Loren Daro. I think he's a moron for thinking giving drugs to Brian was a good thing. But I also get the vibe that you guys blame HIM for Brian taking acid. And I think that is f***ed up. It is Brian's fault that Brian took acid. It's just like when I've seen people I know die from a drug overdose and people blame the dealer, not realizing that the person who took the drugs is most at fault. So don't get me wrong, Loren Daro is sleazy, scummy, etc, but I think acting like it's all his fault Brian cracked up is wrong.

But...but...but...isn't Brian always the victim?

It's not really up to the "powers that be" - you can't really control something like theft or "borrowing" and tape copying without sealing up the vault to everyone and anyone, which would be massively impractical. The main problem I have against bootleggers is that it slows down the official releasing process toward incredibly hyped up pieces like Wouldn't It Be Nice to Live Again, the parts of the Caribou sessions we don't have currently, some of Brian's recordings during the "dark age" that would be nice for historical study, and Dennis' Hubba Hubba/Poops sessions.

Don't get me wrong - I love Get the Boot as much as the next Smiley Smiler, actually probably more so because I actually rather dig a lot of the second disc, but given the choice between the above and things like their recording of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and all those damn oldies recordings near the end of the disc...

Personally, I believe if Mr. Daro had not given Brian acid, someone else would have.  Lots of Sixties people took it...not knowing how powerful it`s effects or potential for injuring minds/brains. It still does!

If Brian was taking pot, hash, and was messing around with Nitrous Oxide, then he would have found acid one way or another.

I don't see the problem with Loren Schwartz in the doc. He tells a few drug anecdotes about his buddies back in the day. Who doesn't do that? The one about Brian going to cry in the bedroom about his fears and parents, and then bounding out of the room saying 'that was enough of that' sounds hilarious. Very Brian. I imagine they had a great laugh about it at the time. And although LSD probably didn't help Brian's long-term mental state, I thought there were far worse things that he did in the following few years that really messed him up?

I agree about Schwartz but I have to jump in here to defend lysergic acid.

While people who are predisposed to schizoaffective disorders (like Brian) should stay far, far away from acid, it has a lot of uses as a psychiatric drug to treat depression and alcoholism in a controlled setting. The misinformation that we all heard about it growing up (acid stays in your body forever, destroys your brain, etc) is simply not true. It is one of the most physically well-tolerated substances on the planet.

The danger is mental. In someone with schizophrenia, acid can precipitate a mental breakdown... Especially when they are dosed without their knowledge, which makes this situation so shady and nasty.

AA has a success rate of 10%, meaning 90% likelihood of drinking within the first year. Controlled treatment with LSD has a success rate of 50%, far beyond any other treatment.

The problem is that LSD was abused as a recreational drug when it really should be used in small doses and in a controlled setting. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/lsd-helps-alcoholics-put-down-the-botttle-419523.html

Today many countries, including Switzerland, are allowing legal LSD therapy. It also helps people a lot with end-of-life issues and coping. Like most other drugs, it can be abused but it has its place in society.

And now, we return to our regularly scheduled programming.

The songs you listed, are you surprised they weren't released on an album or are you surprised they went unreleased for so long?
I just got confused when you included Sound of Free and California Feeling. As Sound of Free is available to a certain extent...yet CF (of all the songs you mentioned) hasn't seen the light of day.