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Alright, I've wanted to do this for a long time. Let's make the infamous list of Beach Boy songs that morph from one tune or borrowed a riff to another. I'll throw the ones off the top of my head, but any help would be great!

County Fair to I Do
Land Ahoy to Cherry, Cherry Coupe
All Dressed Up For School to I Just got My Pay to Marcella
All Dressed Up For School -> H&V section -> Goin' On -> Nothing But Love tag
Raspberries Strawberries to At My Window
We're Together Again to Dedrie
Walkin' to parts of Morning Beat
Back Home (original, Surfer Girl album era) to Back Home (Sunflower) to Back Home (15 Big Ones)
Windchimes (original Smile version) to Can't wait Too Long bass parts
Child Of Winter to opening lines of Some of Your Love
Mike Come Back to LA to Some of Your Love
Thinkin' Bout my Baby to Darlin'
Rollin' Up to Heaven to Ding Dang
Shortenin' Bread to 50 different BW songs
Surfin' (live at Hawaii 67) organ parts to Do it Again (Brian's wordless vocals)
Surfer Girl to Girls on the Beach
Of course, the numerous Smile riffs that have morphed, I think we've covered those til we're blue in the mouth.
Trombone Dixie to Had to Phone Ya
Hawaii to Kona Coast
Save the Day to Fairy Tale
Lana (piano part) & Salt Lake City (sax break) to Desert Drive
Market Place to Message Man
That Same Old Song (parts) & River Song (rollin' on) to Rio grande
My Solution to Happy Days
Doin' Time on Planet Earth to Being with the One you Love
Turning Point to You've Touched Me
Let's go to Heaven in My Car to Water Builds Up
San Miguel to parts of Someone to Love
Let's Stick Together to The waltz
Sweetie to Love YA
Dancin' the Night Away (parts) to How can we still Be Dancing?
I'm the Pied Piper to Lazy Lizzie
Belles of Christmas to Belles of Paris to On Christmas Day
Love to Say Dada to Cool Cool water
Honda 55 to All dressed up for School
Mountain of Love to Little Children
Da Do Run Run to Couldn't get his poor old body to move
"Do Ya" -> "How's About A Little Bit"
Fire-->Rio Grande
Rio Grande-->Morning Beat
Night Bloomin' Jasmine - Rio Grande
Don't Worry Baby - San Simeon
Southbay Surfer - Surfin' Down the Swanee River (The Honeys)
Baker's Man - Hide Go Seek (The Honeys)

I'm the Pied Piper to Lazy Lizzie

and God Only Knows to Speed Turtle.




jk.

RAGE~!

:lol

"Belles of Paris" to "On Christmas Day"( I think that was the name of the song).

I just listened to "Speed Turtle" to see why our glorious moderator hates it so, and it's really very boring with such an obviously phoned-in, uninterested lead and backing vocals from Brian. Why even bother recording it and giving it to the compilers? Everyone knows you're not interested in singing surf-car-girls songs anymore already, even if it's for the kiddies!

"Love To Say Dada" ended up being "Cool Cool Water". Part of "Wind Chimes" ended up in "Been Way To Long". The melody to "All This Is That" ends up in "Happy Days".  This raises a question though. Exactly how do we tell the difference between melodies morphing into other songs, and "musical references", where something from one song is quoted in another song, in a deliberate way? Let's use Brian's Back as an example. "You Still Believe In Me" is quoted at the end of "Brian's Back", but it's more of a deliberate reference to another song, as apposed to one melody idea progressing from one song to another.

Honda 55 ad
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All Dressed Up For School -> H&V section -> Goin' On
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I Just Got My Pay
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Marcella

Also:

Grateful Are We For Little Children -> Saturday Morning In the City

A thing or two -> Do it again (you can sing the latter over parts of the former).


Whoa NO
:lol

Surf's Up --> Kokomo.

Gettin' Hungry>Gettin' Hungry '78 I think?

Too cryptic for me. Care to explain?

:lol

On the second Celebration album (simply titles "Celebration") Mike & co covered Gettin' Hungry in a totally different style then one would expect. Plus that Da Love wrote an extra couplet just for kicks...

Ah, thanks.

Ditto that response :lol

Mountain of Love - Little Children

really? wish i could hear Grateful

really? explain the whole All This is That being Happy days, I've never heard this theory

A couple of additions:

All Dressed Up For School -> H&V section -> Goin' On -> Nothing But Love tag

They're Marching Along does not change into Little Children. It is the same song with a different title. I'd be careful of stuff like that and Doin' Time on Planet Earth going to Being with the One you Love. Those songs, for example, are the same backing track and melody, with a slightly rewritten lyric. So has the song morphed? ... I dunno. The same goes for Black Widow -> Let's Do it Again, although there's slightly more transformation in the chorus there.

"Do Ya" -> "How's About A Little Bit"

anyone else know anything about this claim?

The melodies for such lines as 'Dusk time the shadows fall / Into the timeless time of all' are rather similar to 'Happy days are here again / The sky is blue and clear again...' :)

Thanks, I'll have to listen up

My Solution --> beginning of Happy Days

Fire-->Rio Grande
Rio Grande-->Morning Beat

Listen to the "happy days are here again, the sky is blue and clear again" part, and try singing the verses of All This Is That on top of it. It's very similar. At least, to me it is.

got it already

really? what parts?

About 2:00 minutes of Rio Grande always sounded just like the part in Morning Beat that goes "Hear those guitars gently strumming".

Weird - didn't realise this was here. Just discussing this exact point in the Brianless BB mix thread, as evidence that Brian had a hand in writing ATIT.

And thanks Punkinhead for the tip re Trombone Dixie > Had To Phone Ya. I never recognised the similarity - it's actually a much stronger likeness than Da Da > Had To Phone Ya which I was hearing.

Turning Point - You've Touched Me
Island Girl - Island Girl?
Night Bloomin' Jasmine - Rio Grande
Don't Worry Baby - San Simeon

I started a thread a year or two ago about the connections within Smile songs (either sections that were swapped out into new smile songs, or similarities in melody), so for the sake of completeness I thought I'd paste it here, although it's obviously not definitve and up for debate or additions.

1. Our Prayer
Surf's Up - The descending chords of the coda of SU are similar?

2. Heroes and Villains
Worms (Bicycle rider theme used in H&V)
Barnyard as tag (Humble harv demo)
I'm In Great Shape (Humble harv demo)
Vegetables (part 3 is similar  to The Heroes, the Heroes part of H&V Sections from GV boxset). Also 'Tag to part 1' is very similar to Do A Lot.
Wind Chimes - Version 4 of Tag To Part 1 features piano embellishments reminiscent of the tag to wind chimes.
With Me Tonight - apparently part of H&V at one point.
Love To say Dada - the bird sounds version 'All day' was part of H&V iirc.
Fire - Heroes Intro remarkably similar to Fire
Old Master Painter (False Barnyard initially belonged to OMP/YAMS)

3. Do You Dig Worms/Plymouth Rock
Heroes & Villains (bicycle rider theme)
Cabinessence (According to Vosse article, the Who Ran the Ion Horse and Grand Coulee sections were planned to go with the Bicyle Rider theme at one point )
Whistle In (Remember the day, remember the night is similar to keen a wok a pu la melody)
Love To Say Dada? (Personally I hear a similarity between the intro to dada and the keen a wok bit of worms)

4. Barnyard
Heroes and Villains tag (humble harv)
Great Shape (next to barnyard in harv demo, which might suggest that Barnyard would have featured in the Great Shape track once it was separated from H&V?)
Friday Night (workshop sounds featured with Barnyard at some point according to Jules Siegel?)

5. Old Master Painter/YAMS
H&V (False Barnyard)

6. Cabinessence
Worms (Vosse article)
Fire (Who Ran The Iron Horse similarity)

7. Wonderful
Vegetables (part 3 turns up reworked in the Smiley version of Wonderful)

8. Look/Song For Children
Good Vibrations

9. Child is father of the Man
Surf's Up (the coda as recorded in 72)
Little Bird (features trumpet from Child)

10. Surf's Up
Child is Father to the Man
Fall Breaks (woody woodpecker)

11. Great Shape
H&V
Barnyard
IWBA/FN (would Brian have put these pieces together at some point as in BWPS?)
Vegetables (Do A Lot to go with Great shape? - have heard this theory)

12. I Wanna Be Around/FN
Fire (According to Carol Kaye this may have been part 2 of Fire)
Great shape?
Barnyard? Siegel article
Do It Again (Woodshop sounds)

12. Vegetables
H&V
Wonderful
With Me Tonight (identical bass part in one of the Smile versions of WMT)
Great shape (Do A Lot?)

13. Holidays
Wind Chimes (the tag of Holidays used on Smiley version)
Tones/Tune x (last part with slide guitar sounds similar to me but as this is supposedly Carl's song then maybe just coincidence)

14. Wind Chimes
Holidays
Can't Wait Too Long
H&V - Tag to Part 1 version 4

15. Fire
H&V (intro), Bag Of tricks etc.
Cabinessence (Who Ran the Iron Horse imo)
IWBA/FN (Carol Kaye)
Fall Breaks

16. Water chant
Love to say Da da
Cool Cool water

17. Love to say Da Da
Water Chant
Cool Cool Water
H&V - (All Day)

18. Good Vibrations
Look
Here Today

19. With Me Tonight (Smile version)
Vegetables
H&V

20.He Gives Speeches
She's Goin bald

21. Tones/Tune X
Holidays?

I already have Turning Point, under a different name (So Long, which others have given it). What's with Island Girl?

and what's San Simeon?

Young master Jardine's latest offering.

That's right!
Had I have the new album, I'd know.

I just accidentally found another one to add to the list. The saxophone part in Amusement Parks USA sounds somewhat similar to With Me Tonight. The "On and on she go, dum be do dah" part. It might just be a weird coincidence though.

Do You Like Worms -> With Me Tonight.

Amusement Parks USA -> Worms is a bit of a stretch.  :)

Let's take your worm and do amusement parks, USA.

I believe that melody comes from another song by another band. Can't remember any of the names right now though...


"Lana"'s intro -> "Desert drive" was already mentioned but wasn't that lick also used on the Gershwin-album? I have heard someone mentioning it. Unfortunately the album still isn't out in Germany so I haven't listened to it yet   :(

"Underwater" by The Frogmen, a #44 hit in May 1961. The record was released on Candix 314.

Farmer's Daughter & Salt Lake City - I Got Rhythm tag

Yes, thanks !
Found this on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zVfPEiHctM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zVfPEiHctM)

Southbay Surfer - Surfin' Down the Swanee River (The Honeys)
Baker's Man - Hide Go Seek (The Honeys) - Speed Turtle

Slight hole in that theory - (thankfully) Brian didn't write "Speed Turtle".  ;D

haha thanks for the info Andrew  :)

Good call! Thanks

Southbay surfers and Surfin' down.... both use the melody of "Swanee river". Brian didn't write it, just played around with the melody

true, you might say the same about Brian/Sharon Marie's cover of Summertime and Brian's recent cover of Summertime.  ;)

Walkin' The Line - Your Imagination

really? how so?

Listen to the instruments in each tune, specifically the intro/verses of each song.
It doesn't sound identical but it's similar rhythmically and melodically. It may be a stretch, but it sounds that way to me

if you really think about it speed turtle is the morphing of all moments of Brian's genius into one cohesive moment. imo of course.

No. Ding Dang is.

This is the correct answer. Ding Dang (http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-swoon.gif)

Has anyone ever noticed the recurring chant of "Ah-um ditty wadda" in Beach Boy songs? I've heard it in three songs so far. Is it just a common background chant?

By the way, they are:
Do You Remember?
Gee
and Don't Go Near the Water
Wondering if it's a common theme

...and isn't This Whole World a next of kin?

Huh. I never noticed that connection until you said something  :o

I think it's A-Oom Dap Diddit, but it sounds so like what you described...

Yeah, it sounds like a variation of the theme. It's a very doo-opish chant, isn't it?

and of course, A-Oom Dap Diddit found it's way to Your Imagination

I guess morphine is to blame.

Boo.

And boo to you.

The tag of "Holidays" is the intro for "Happy Days".

The Ah-oom-bop-did-it (or however you want to spell it) is in This Whole World, of course, and in Your Imagination.

But it also serves as the main hook in the Wilson-Paley "God Did It" tune.

The chorus -- "Ah-oom God Did It, Ah-oom God Did It / He washed my sins away."

Not sure if this has already been caught in the thread but It's Just A Matter Of Time (BB85) is a development of I Feel Fine from the Cocaine Sessions, right? I know it's a straightforward doo wop chord progression but Brian seems pretty stoked that he just came up with it so unsurprising that he'd flesh it into a song. Obvious I guess but first time I'd noticed it.

God, I despise that song. Terrible vocal. It's basically a rewrite of the infinitely superior "This Boy" by the Beatles, right down to that little vocal hiccup on "nothing to do-OO-ooh" being the same as "he'll regret it some da-EE-ay". Does that count as a morph? The build of the song is even more explicitly cribbed, I'd say, than "Ticket to Ride" into "Girl Don't Tell Me" or "When You Wish Upon a Star" into "Surfer Girl" or the verses of "The Girls on the Beach". The "Mountain of Love" into "Little Children" is pretty egregious too, especially including "used to be" in the exact same place.

CIFOTM -> Little Bird

Black widow= Let's do it again

I don't know if this counts, considering they're all basically the same song.

Sandy -> Sherry, She Needs Me -> She Says That She Needs Me

I love every version of this song, honestly.

The recent version is lacking (imo) due to the much more tame, predictable lyrics, AC production and lack of falsetto in the chorus, "Sandy" has no lead vocal (ARGGHH), and "Sherry" is a nice and interesting version but every time I listen to it I just wish Brian had done the vocal in '64.

Even above Smile or basically anything else, this one not being completed has always been the most baffling shelved track, to me. I know it was originally considered for Glen Campbell and he chose "Guess I'm Dumb", but after that, why not? It was appropriate for any album of the era, it had the same sound, the backing vocals were done, the track was done, the mix sounds fine, all it needed was a fucking lead vocal. It wouldn't have been out of place on Today!, wouldn't have been out of place on Summer Days, wouldn't have even been out of place on Pet Sounds. Or how about the B-side to "The Little Girl I Once Knew"? Anything. Why bring "I'm Waiting For The Day" back from the ashes but not this one? It's as good and as intricate as your average Pet Sounds track - not the absolute best song ever, but certainly good enough and thematically similar.

Wasn't added to any rarities compilations, wasn't added to the '93 box set, presumably wasn't considered for the Endless Summer soundtrack. Did someone just totally hate this song and saw to it that it was buried? I'll never understand.

Sandy -> Sherry, She Needs Me -> Terri She Needs Me -> She Says That She Needs Me

Tricia

Commenting on a couple of prior posts...

Re. "Let's Go To Heaven In My Car" --> "Water Builds Up" --- I think it's actually the other way around. I'm pretty sure that as a song, "Water Builds Up" pre-dates LGTHIMK. It's just that we're familiar with "Water Builds Up" from Sweet Insanity...but it was probably written long before.

"Walkin' The Line" --> "Morning Beat" -- I think you can argue a stronger case for "Let's Go To Heaven In My Car" --> "Morning Beat"

"Amusement Parks USA" --> "Do You Like Worms" -- sure you don't mean "Salt Lake City?""

Speaking of which...."Salt Lake City" --> "Desert Drive"

"I Said A Prayer" --> "This Isn't Love"

Now, for some controversy....and I wish I could take credit for discovering these, but I can't; don't remember who did:
"San Miguel" --> "Someone To Love"
ELO's "Don't Bring Me Down" --> "Desert Drive"
Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" --> "Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl"

Wasn't "California Role" another song before, too???

Oh....didn't see these:

"Sweetie" --> "Love Ya"
"Christine" --> "Living Doll"

Nah, it's Terri. http://www.esquarterly.com/bellagio/gigs87.html


I dunno about that. The correct antecedent to "Morning Beat" is the unreleased "Walkin."


It should be noted that "I Said A Prayer" doesn't really exist as a whole song. It's just the opening melodic phrase of what became "This Isn't Love." The latter song also incorporates a riff from the still bizarrely unreleased "You're Still A Mystery."


The first one, of course. The second and third -- eh.

The correct ELO rip is such: "Calling America" into "South American." And that's preceded by ELO using the "Heroes and Villains" verse melody for their tune "Across the Border."

I've heard the Journey - FSBMSG thing too, and I'm dubious. Only because when you hear the song BW is actually rewriting, it all falls into place.

The Four Seasons' "Who Loves You" seems to be a clear precursor to FSBMSG, especially the bridge. I think it's a lot more likely that Brian heard this


Yeah, a Landy-era tune called "Wondering What You're Up to Now." It hasn't been booted, as far as I know.

I love this stuff, myself.

That was the best thing ever.

runnersdialzero is so great

Okay, I suck.

I'm a big fan of runnersdialzero myself!

How about this?

She's Goin' Bald (final section) -> I Saw Santa Rockin' 'Round the Christmas Tree

good call!

Wrinkles -> Still Surfin'

Bumping an old thread to make a correction...

Ding Dang came first (1973) and then came Rolling Up To Heaven (1974)

Radio King Dom seems to have slight similarities to both the verses on Airplane and Forever She'll Be My Surfer Girl.

Love Is All Around (The Troggs) - We're Together Again
Metal Beach - Shortenin' Bread

Runnersdialzero just blew my mind.

But what was weird is that my mind had just been blown right before that, when I read the first post in this thread:

We're Together Again-Dierdre

I never realized the similarity!!!!!!!!!

Wind Chimes chorus -> Loop De Loop chorus.

Listen for the clarinets: Dee - ba-dee - ba-dee - ba-dee.

can you imagine Paul and Brian at the session for Metal Beach? I bet Brian was in cloud NINE!

BTW, I think it would be Shortenin Bread then Metal Beach

Downtown -> Strange World.