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From the local newspaper as promo for the upcoming show in Bloomington, Illinois this Sunday:
http://www.pantagraph.com/entertainment/music/article_024519b6-b06b-11df-bfe1-001cc4c03286.html

Not too much new, although I love this part:

Though Love's publicist requested that he not be asked about Wilson and the reunion, the singer brought up the topic while musing on the 50-year milestone.

He mentions that "Brian and I have had a few conversations about getting together" and seemed a bit more hopeful in casual conversation that something might come of them.

As for Jardine, who left the band in 1998 following Carl's death, "there's a possibility he could join us at the start (of the reunion tour) with Brian."

More mixed signals on the reunion...

Also, it's interesting that they mention Bruce originally hailing from Peoria, Illinois. I have never heard a single mention of this from any Beach Boys historian or Bruce himself (although it's listed on his Wikipedia page, so it must be true, lol). This is a part of Bruce's story that I'd love to know more about. I wonder how much time he spent in Peoria versus California growing up?

For those who have trouble reading the blue:

"Though Love's publicist requested that he not be asked about Wilson and the reunion, the singer brought up the topic while musing on the 50-year milestone.

He mentions that "Brian and I have had a few conversations about getting together" and seemed a bit more hopeful in casual conversation that something might come of them.

As for Jardine, who left the band in 1998 following Carl's death, "there's a possibility he could join us at the start (of the reunion tour) with Brian."

Sorry about that, just changed the blue text to bold instead for readability.

Errr... um... well...  :-[

That was me started that bit of disinformation back in 1985, in an issue of Beach Boys Stomp, as a joke. Based on the old gag, "but will it sell in Peoria ?"  I was amazed when reference books started picking it up. Bruce knows.

Thanks Andrew. I think you meant "will it play in Peoria?", which is a joke I've heard one too many times growing up around there :)

So seriously, he wasn't born in Peoria? And is the adoption story also made up? And "Benjamin Baldwin"?  That sounds fishy to me. Thanks again for any info you can provide. I've been in contact before with the writer of that article, I'm sure he'd like to correct it if he's providing incorrect information.

They have John Cowsill listed as on Keyboards and no drummer listed in the article.  For the record, for those who haven't seen this touring band, Cowsill stilll sings but is now the drummer .  And , for my ears, one hell of a great drummer for this music.  Overall, as good a drummer as I've seen with this road band over the years.  Mike is right.  This IS a great band.

I wonder sometimes why Brian's band can get raves while Mike's band gets such a cold shoulder..........I'm talking about the band, not Mike per se, or that AL isn't with them, or that its not actually the Beach Boys.....

aside from those issues, this is really a great band led by the original lead singer and cofounder.......

brian's band is so spot on when it comes to harmonies and everything.  They get love cause they're really really good

Yup, I saw them on youtube from about two weeks ago and they were kicking ass.  Very good band, plus Mike still sings most of the 'car songs' so it's a pretty damn accurate version of the band.  Their falsetto guy is pretty good too. 

Mike's band is fantastic. Brian's might be on the next level of quality but I have never seen Brian's band rock like Mike's.

Didn't Bruce say it himself? 'Brian's band is Tiffanys, & we are Walmart.'

I have.

There was an article last summer in the Lake Oconee Living magazine (forget which month exactly, may have been June) with an interview with one of Bruce's half-sisters here in Georgia. Yes, Bruce was adopted and Baldwin was his original last name. He's apparently related to THE Baldwin family in Georgia (think founding fathers of the USA, not modern actors).

And Bruce was born in the metro Chicago area. You do the math.

but actually Al's band is better than both of them!  Especially in terms of actually sounding like the Beach Boys did (imho)

I think that all 3 bands are great in their own way, and do the music proud!

The best group is Brian's/ Mike's/ Al's. The most recurring and boring argument of this message board.

Can we just enjoy the three with out feeling the need to justify your choice please?  :thud

I haven't! They are good, so don't get me wrong. They are too good in concert. They sound like they are in the studio recording. This worked well for Smile, but for the average Beach Boys set, not so much. The Carl Wilson led band were more punchy and really rocked. I've only seen Mike's band once since Carl's passing, so I won't say much either way about them.

I actually absolutely love all three groups (although the mike and bruce show I saw suffered from a serious overdose of john stamos...but even that, based on the crowd reaction, I can understand and sympathize with).  I like to make a point of showing my support for Al's band because it seems like it is often left out when people talk about Brian's band vs. mike's band, when all three bands definitely belong in the conversation!! 

Yeah, but to be fair nobody's ever heard Al's band.  I live in Charlotte, NC.  I doubt Al Jardine has been within 200 miles of Charlotte, NC since he WAS in the Beach Boys.  I've seen Mike's band here years ago, and the closest Brian has got was Atlanta. 

Disagree. They have loosened in the past 4-5 years. Certainly from 99-04 they were very precise (although even then they could rock), but they've added more swagger since then.

That being said, I saw the BBs in 97, Al's F&F in 2000 (I think) and Brian several times since then. I've wanted to see Mike's latest group, but haven't managed it. I will say that all three -- at the times I saw them -- gave excellent shows. Mike had the attitude and crowd participation, Brian had the astonishing wall of sound, and Al -- well, Al sounded like The Beach Boys in Concert. Sadly, he also had the most tepid crowd. But to see Ed Carter and all of the 70s band guys -- that was amazing.

Hmmmmm....the classic battle of the bands debate. I've gone on and on about the Michael and Bruce band and Al's band, but have surprisingly said little about Brian's...

Brian's band is the most "faithful" as far as trying to match the studio recordings. They've certainly taken the extra steps to be faithful to the recordings, and that's certainly admirable. But they've definitely been an uphill battle. Part of that was the lack of band chemistry in the beginning, part of it was Brian's relative unease in performing live by himself, that is, without the Beach Boys. As musicians, Brian's band ranges from spectacular to merely ok. Jeff, like him or not, still can hit those high notes, and he's a fine guitarist. Scott and Probyn are by far the two most well-rounded musicians in the band by far. They're both excellent guitarists. Scott's a fine drummer and pianist as well. Probyn works great as one-half of the horn section, and he's a decent bassist whenever Brian goes on tour with the six-man group. Darian has the hardest working hair in showbiz, but seriously, the man has arguably the best voice in the band (watch him NAIL Darlin') and he's an excellent pianist. Nick is the other great singer in the band, and also a great guitarist. Mike and Nelson are both great at drums and percussion and both have been in each other's seats. Brett is a good bassist. Taylor is Taylor. Let's be glad she carries a tune.

For those of us who have seen Brian in 1999 or heard the bootlegs from those shows, they were easily the worst of all. The one-two punch of Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl was a very bad move, no doubt influenced by Brian and Melinda's collective adoration of the aforementioned at the time. Todd Sucherman is a fine drummer. Bob Lizik is a great bassist (and has probably the largest hat collection in history). Of course, by the Japanese tour that year, the Illinois contingent and Todd of them were gone, and Todd was replaced by Jim Hines, who had a little more rock 'n roll energy. And of course, they've had the Stockholm Strings 'n Horns on and off. Brian's band has loosened up with each passing year, and the shows, in my opinion, have improved despite a few stumbling blocks (the 2003 North American mini summer tour, the 2005 European summer hits tour, the 2007 European summer hits tour, the 2008 North American/UK summer hits tour, the 2009 European summer hits tour). When I saw Brian twice last year, both shows were, by far, the best I had ever seen of him or the band in concert. The Philadelphia show was certainly a lot of fun with Foskett playfully poking fun at the crowd about the then-soon-to-be 2009 NLCS champions the Philadelphia Phillies, who were in the middle of their series against the Los Angeles Dodgers that night.

So it's settled then. Brian's band is the best.  

Mike & Bruce will never be "The Beach Boys" without Al and even Dave. Whatever happened to that requirement that there be a minimum of 3 members before they can call themselves "The Beach Boys"?

Anybody can come up with ex Papa Do Run Run members and call themselves "The Beach Boys". And then we throw in a Cowsill and Mike Love's son and your band is complete. From all counts, Scott Totten is an excellent band leader, though, and demands the best out of everyone. That's good to know. But.........have members of "The Beach Boys" band put out any albums? How many Wondermints and Brian solo albums are out there with Brian's band members writing and playing and singing their butts off?  Quite a few, eh? Has the current incarnation of "The Beach Boys" played Pet Sounds or SMiLE in its entirety? No. So much for playing the artsy fartsy stuff, Mike & Bruce can stick with playing the travelin' jukebox of hits......

Listen to Brian's band play stuff like "Marcella" and tell me they can't rock.

To me Marcella always sounds constrained when performed by Brian's band, but yes, it does rock. The Beach Boys In Concert version is the definitive performance. That really rocks!

Both Marcella and Rhonda rock on the "In Concert" album!

Yes, I would say that in the beginning, Brian's band had the unique challenge of having to worry about Brian's well being, even to the point of wondering if he'd just walk off stage at any time. It had to be hard for them to relax at first. Plus most of them didn't come together organically. It's funny how you say they range from "spectacular to merely ok," but then proceed to describe nearly all of them in glowing terms. Sounds like you're saying Taylor is the least of them, maybe because she doesn't play an instrument. But I'd say her singing is superb. Some of those Smile parts in particular were tough, and she always sounded spot on.  I'm not a professional musician, but I'd say any band (whether it's Brian's, Mike's, or Al's) that can play and sing that complex music night after night and sound great doing it is excellent.

The clause in the contract used to say there had to be at least one Wilson on stage for the band to be billed as "The Beach Boys": that was revised decades ago.


Well, young Cowsill's been on a few albums with his first band, and with one exception, all the 'Mints albums were released before they signed up. Same for Jeff (whose first BB-related job, btw, was working with Mike & The Endless Summer Beach Band - just think, Mike's partly responsible for everything Brian's done since 1998 !).

The clause in the contract used to say there had to be at least one Wilson on stage for the band to be billed as "The Beach Boys": that was revised decades ago.


Well, young Cowsill's been on a few albums with his first band, and with one exception, all the 'Mints albums were released before they signed up. Same for Jeff (who is a current member of Papa, and whose first BB-related job, btw, was working with Mike & The Endless Summer Beach Band - just think, Mike's partly responsible for everything Brian's done since 1998 !).

I'm with Amy.

I still give Mike's band the edge in rocking. In terms of musicianship Brian's band is the best and they have loosened up since the new rythme section joined but they still don't rock like Mike's band.

Agreed.

Al played a private (corporate) show in Charlotte back in 2001. I was there.

The "merely ok" was meant to extend towards the Illinois contingent that played in the band from March to July of 1999, referring to Joe Thomas and Steve Dahl. The post was worded a bit poorly, but you helped me get the rest of it out properly! Brian's band has been lucky to get the slouches out early on.

Let's not forget that Gary Griffin and Billy Hinsche have backed up Brian as well. Everyone knows how good they are.

The Taylor comment was my way of saying that she's the obvious eye candy (for us guys and some girls), and that she's a great singer on top of it.

Gary is okay. It's a bit tough, because he's the "hits tour" keyboardist, and by definition Brian is often less engaged in those kind of shows.

Last fall, for whatever reason, Darian committed to come on the U.S. "hits tour," and it was great, so you have to wonder.

I tend to think the political situation in Brian's band makes it difficult sometimes. If everyone is walking on eggshells periodically, not wanting to offend or ask for too much or stick their necks out -- that hardly makes for a great show, does it? The situation a couple of years ago with Lizik and Hines comes to mind.

But then, it wouldn't be a Brian Wilson tour without barely suppressed psychodrama, would it?

What exactly was the issue with the old rythme section?

..........and did I neglect to say that another member of Brian's band has a few albums of his own under his belt? Ol' Jeff Foskett.

As far as Al's players who aren't with him for all of his gigs these days but were during the past decade...........ex Beach Boys alumnus Hinsche, Carter, Dragon, Figueroa, and Marks.

You talkin' about the Tasty Brothers?  Ask Melinda Wilson.

Thanks for that, Emdeeh. Peoria is a good 150 miles from Chicago, so I'm still suspicious about him being born there if his family lived in Chicago, but stranger things have happened. If he was born there, it's possible he lived in the area for a while.

I'm interested in hearing more about Bruce's adoption story, it seems like the info out there is pretty sparse right now. Maybe if Bruce ever writes his autobiography ("I Write the Books? lol), we'll get the full scoop

One things for certain, Brett Simons plays his ass off on the new Gershwin album. Superb basslines, I noticed them outright on almost every song---and with not a whole lot of bass boost mind you.

I always thought the combination of Darian, Scott, Probyn, Taylor, Jeff and Nicky was a beautiful vocal sound, listen to their take on "Lay Down Burden" compared to Brian's version. Have mercy!

Each guy seems to have his own territory clearly marked - Mike and Bruce have the classic hits market covered, Brian's band target the more arty aspects of the BB's back catalogue whilst pushing forward with new material in a similar vein, whilst Al falls between the two focusing mainly on all the great 'lost' tracks throughout the years. Between them they pretty much have all bases covered.


What's all this about? I'm intrigued..............

She told me to ask you.

I believe there was a dispute over the tracking sessions for TLOS. Money, as is so often the case, seems to have been involved.

Both sides decided it was better to part. Bob is still featured on the album, though, because his bass from the live debut of the piece was used (I think). Brett pops up for a track or two.

Things were tense in the band for a time after that, from reports. Brian seemed to have been unaware of the wrangling, and was disappointed about the departures.

That all being said -- it was fantastic to get Mikey back in the band, and Brett is fabulous.

I'm no Stool Pigeon.  Ask AGD.

I saw "The men who stare at Goats" the other night, and the whole movie is about psychic research by the U.S. Army.  It's a comedy.  Anyways, there's this scene where they ask this psychic a question, and his answer is "Go Ask Angela Landsbury". 

So a few days goes by, and this stuffy general walks up to the guy running the program and says "We asked Angela Landsbury.  She didn't know what we were talking about". 

Mikie - AGD has cleared up that "Wilson and "membership" (quorum?) requirement.  But like it or not, they "are" the Beach Boys.  No one complains when a new Rolling Stone is on stage or in Fleetwood Mac or any other rock band.   They are accepted and life goes on.

The Beach Boys use "Cool Head, Warm Heart," and Kokomo which are not "Brian" songs.  They are different bands, but the Beach Boys seem to sing in the signature "interlocked" vocals and the invisible "baton" of Scott Totten is amazing.  He has taken them to a new level.  I think Carl would be pleased with their fine work.   They play to a different demographic than Brian, whom I have seen no fewer than 8 times, even bringing one of my kids who loves Pet Sounds to see Brian, live.  

Brian's group is not the "toddler-to-grandparent" dynamic as is the Beach Boys.  It is a more "arty" or they perceive themselves as "arty" group.  I love the music and love to finally hear Brian, as he had that long "pose" in his career.  

Brian's band is different, not better or worse than Mike's in that vocally they are not on "lock" in the same manner as the Beach Boys.  They tend to be more "orchestral" than the 7 guys on stage in the Beach Boys. [Although I have seen the "stripped down" version of Brian's Band, and they were great, too.]  I would love to see the Beach Boys play with a symphony at some point.  Much of the music lends itself to that "presentation."  Brian's band is Brian's "vision" for the way in which he wants to present his work.  There is nothing wrong with that.  

And I do also love Marcella and Rhonda on the rockin' 73 Concert which I listen to a lot, even still.  You have not seen "Rhonda" until you have seen John Cowsill swagger across the stage and whip the crowd into a frenzy.  And he does double duty on the congas alongside his "percussion section."  It is a highlight of the show; he is a tremendous performer in his own right, and can really get that audience to "respond" to his work.  

Every one of those guys does a great job and most take a "lead" for several songs. Tim Bonhomme is "working" four keyboards simultaneously, Randell and his "fabulous falsetto" brings the old "So Young" doo wop to life and Christian Love does an amazing job with Good Vibrations.  People leave "drained and drenched" (in sweaty exhaustion!)  

Brian tends to sing most of the leads in his shows.  And the crowd is rockin' at the end of the night.  No question. And there is a lot of pride in the audience for Brian's accomplishments and his "comeback."   It tends to bring people out who have been long-time Beach Boys fans, who, not unlike myself, did not lay my eyes on Brian for about 20 years.  They seem to be "making up for lost time" when Brian was not around.  His is a "niche" market.  

The fans seem to be happy with both bands and that is really the answer to this eternal and infernal question.   You see more Hawaiian shirts at Mike and Bruce's shows and more "théâtre attire" (depending on the venue) for Brian, but both groups seem happy to attend and have a great time.  Either way, the music can't be beat.   8)    

What happens is ultimately up to them.  Not the fans.  

I think that's on the mark.

I wish Al played more. I wish he brought those In Concert guys along with him across the country.

I didn't praise his band enough in a previous post. Al can be really awesome live. If Mike's about the concept and Brian's about the legend, Al is about the music as a rocking, meaty, grooving thing.

Fillthepage:

I have a complaint. You brought up two good bands that I have gripes with. I think it sucks that Blondie Chaplin is no longer a Beach Boy and is now a Rolling Stone. And Beach Boy Dennis Wilson's ex-girfriend is no longer with Fleetwood Mac which is a travesty! Life goes on, but it's sure a drag without them!

That's nothin'. In 1974, I saw Dennis Wilson streak nekkid across the stage during "Help Me Rhonda". Something else was whipped into a frenzy - not just the crowd!

You've seen the Mike & Bruce show 8 times? Wow. Do they give you backstage passes and free shirts and programs too? If not, they should for all the support and promotion you're giving them here!  :)


Well, ultimately it is the fans who choose whether to buy tickets to the shows or not, right?

Fillepage, you're a superfan, and that's admirable. I've seen your reviews on BB Britain and Mike & Bruce and the band must think you're the uppermost of the toppermost! Glad to see that you've attended both their shows and Brian's and have gotten your kids involved in Beach Boy fandom too. That's very cool.  ;D

Thanks Mikie, for those kind words...it is such a pleasure to see them (and Brian) "bringing the music" to the people after all the "ups and downs" of their long career.     

You must remember too, that a lot of rock groups just "gave up" when small things "went south" - and for whatever reason, the Boys just kept going.  Even Carl when he was so sick; he never gave up.  Who is not affected by that? It is almost as if the "music" carried us all along witnessing that courage Carl had.       

There are lots of really passionate fans "out there" and especially in the Northeast, where we don't have much good "warm" weather so we enjoy it to the max!  When the Boys come back each year, we see many of the same faces (lots of old college and even high school friends) so it is a really cool night out as well.

Hope it was at least "warm" when you saw Dennis streak!   ;) 

Thanks again ~ 8)   
 

Sorry, this thread has exceeded the limit for quotation marks. We're going to have to shut it down.

"Shut it Down, Shut it Down..."

Sorry, I could not resist!

 ;)

Here's another. News to the Wilsons this one!

http://billingsgazette.com/entertainment/music/article_29d96a86-b174-11df-8dd8-001cc4c03286.html?oCampaign=hottopics


'Brian, the only surviving Wilson brother, and Love plan to record together this fall. Love said that so far the reunion is limited to the studio, but it may produce more.'

I think they will do something after Brian finishes the touring and promotion for this Disney album.  Plus, that means if there is a reunion concert, it'll be about the time Brian's doing the OTHER Disney album, so we'll literally get to see the great heralded return of the boy genius, singing cartoon songs upon his arrival.

It'll do nothing but help the legend.  "Yeah, I was there when Brian Wilson returned to the Beach Boys; can you believe that guy started out by singing Hakuna Matada?"

Due to Brian showing no interest in writing with his cousin, can I suggest the title 'Mike Imagines Wilson'?

I certainly hope he's NOT going to sing Hakuna Matada... yuck.