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Hi i bought Peter Ames Carlin's book Catch A Wave a week ago and was surprised to read that brian was seeing a psychologist about the guilt he felt for having a crush on his wife's sister (Diane) and that he sometimes wished he had married her. Then i found the song my diane. My question is does anyone have any information about the relationship between these two because from the song it sounds like that they were having an affair.

Back in the early 80's, The Honeys were in London doing press for their Rhino album, and I got to interview them. Nice people, great fun to be with, and being the tactful kinda person I am, I asked Diane if said song was indeed about her. She said, simply, "yes"... Marilyn, sitting next to her, nodded... and Mike Grant (editor of Stomp who was also doing the interview) nearly had a fit. Moral of story: don't ask, you'll never know.

Thank you thats very interesting. Do you know if the song the night was so young is about said subject or is that just hearsay?

That's supposedly about Debbie Keil (friend of Brian's in the mid '70s), right?

Indeed.

Delete the 'supposedly'.  ;D

I might adjust that "friend" as well.

Well... there's friends, and then there's... friends.  ::)

If Brian would've married Diane instead of Marilyn, would there be a thread asking if "Marilyn Rovell" was about Marilyn?
"So glad, I married the sis of Marilyn Ro-vell"...

:lol

If you want to know about Brian Wilson's relationship with Diane Rovell in the early 70's, just listen to the promo "Brian Wilson Talks With and About Spring". 

Just listening to Diane's voice in that tape gives me a Woodrow.  ;D

Still I dream of her...

Please PM me with info on how to find that recording. I have been searching a long time for it!

I am not Purposely Missing that tape, i just cant find it anywhere. :P

Well.............having that avatar of the subject matter is a start!

That tape is just amazing.  According to the conversation, a session for the album has just been completed, it's 3 or 4 in the morning, and Marilyn went to bed.  Here's Brian and Diane taping themselves talking about the group, in this half-delirious, sleep deprived state.  There is so much sexual tension between those two, it's just ridiculous.... they're giggling and flirting like a couple of school children.  It sounds like they're about to jump each other with the tape recorder still running.

"The one you can't have is the one you want the most".... INDEED!

I wanna hear it too!

Could someone help a Pal and Make his day?  ;D

Anyone care to send me a Personal Message?  :-D

How have I not heard this?  A PM would be most appreciated.

+1

Hey don't forget me!!!!

Could someone please Post Meridian me as well thank you

Bootlegs are against the law, you buncha greedy Smiley Smilers!  I'm gonna go call the police!

This would be good if I could listen to this in the PM tonight. Ha.

Hey guys, who wants to calm down with some TM In the AM and the PM?  :lol

One of the funniest things I've seen on here in about 2 years. 

I wish I could have Pre-Menstrual syndrome.

I was very tired after crossing the Prime Meridian.

That photo of Brian with the Mickey Mouse shirt standing there with Marilyn and Diane is one of my favorites of all-time...

PM, please?  ;D

Don't Talk Put Your Head On My Shoulder

Yeah, mine too.

Oh, Please let Me Wonder no more what this recording is all about...  :)

This is a very interesting recording.  Listen to about 4:25 to 4:30. "The thing that we did tonight, the ugh...um...the, ah...".  ;D

Porpoises and Manatees! (please!)

I'm listening to this right now as I type. Why do I get the distinct feeling that they were actually recording this from a bed?  ;D

Interesting recording. This was done in '71 apparently, and heres a few of the vibes I get from it...

-He felt very proud of Spring and saw great things in them. Even into the late 80s or maybe even the 90s he would say things like how great a singer he thought Marilyn was, and so I think this was a project he really cared about. However, I think his interest was fleeting at this point and he would move from one thing to the next quite a bit, meaning the Spring album only got a bit of attention from him, just as the BB's albums at that time did (SU, CATP, Holland). I don't think he held anything against these projects, I just think post-SMiLE he just got bored easily. And then onto my next opinion.

-This was late night cheerfulness, when youre full of hope and big plans and somewhat delirious. He seemed to be on a real high (maybe literally and figuratively and was very positive about the group and what they were doing, but I wouldn't doubt he woke up the next afternoon without a care about it. Thats definitely something I can relate to. I don't really wanna bore you all with stories, but I have a musical project with my buddy, and I can be up all night working on a track, only to find the next day, I'm bored with it, and won't bother with it again for a while, if it all. And I think basically that is what Brian became after Sunflower or so. He would come up with the raw goods, but it just wouldn't hold his interest, and he would drift.

-Brian still considered himself a Beach Boy, I think it kinda rejects the David Leaf notion that he didn't wanna be in the group anymore after like Sunflower and Surf's Up. I think at least until the mid 90's he wanted to be part of the group, as evidenced by him wanting to produce them by the late 80s/early-mid 90s.  He still used words like we (I think) and whatnot when referring to them on this little tape, and thats just my two cents on that.

Just my opinion on this. I know I'm reading too much into it, but just listening to him and hearing him, and thinkin about his life at that point, I just get these vibes.

Night of October 8th/9th, after the session for the first single.

Have being trying to find this for years. Any chance someone could send me a Personal Message?
Thanks.

It's one of the last ones where he looks like his original self. It's hard to explain it better then that.

Brian sounds puzzled when Diane brings up Dean Torrence re-recording "Vegetables"... "Vegetables?"
He seemed to be quite comfortable being "the producer" without being questioned. Diane clearly was in awe of being privileged to work with him.

Can you imagine this guy digging his own grave in the backyard? He doesn't sound too "out of it" in this recording.

So Steve Desper was essentially a co-producer & Ginger went to Las Vegas to sing hence why the Honey's broke up although brian doesn't know the story behind it. Does anyone know the story behind why she left?

Please Put Me On The Guest List...

Sure... Capitol dropped The Honeys after three singles, their Warner's single also missed, so with Marilyn marrying Brian and Diane being Brian's contractor, Ginger had to make a living. They 'reunited' for a final Capitol 45 in 1969, but essentially it was all done by early summer 1964.

If someone could PM I'd be very appreciative...  ;D

Thanks, random stranger! :)

Again???  Damn, O, you want everything!!!  ;D

Well, I'm apparently nowhere near as well versed in BBs history as most of y'all, nor do I have as massive a collection as a lot of you seem to have, sooo...

I'm pretty sure I heard an excerpt of this from a YouTube video that was uploaded a while ago combining... "Tennessee Waltz" with "Sweet Mountain", I think? It's nice to hear all of it, even if it's a little underwhelming, haha. Someone can page me when the Brian-Diane sex tape comes out! :lol

O - you mean you don't have the Brian-Diane sex tape yet?  You ARE out of the loop!!!

 ;D

puh  puh

mmmmmmmm

Just played it. Thank you so much for the PM.

So much going on it my head during it.

Brian's really proud of Spring. Gotta hear some of their stuff

Sounds like Brian was into Diane. What a situation, it's complicated  ;D

wow i'd love to hear this. could someone Please Make my day?

Does anybody besides myself think that Brian's speaking voice on that recording sounded a lot like it does now? The tone of his voice sounds a lot deeper and "older" than other recordings I have heard from this period.

Yeh the recording is too slow.  Funny enough making both Brian and Diane sound somewhat like they do now.

Ehhhh, even Brian's speaking voice now is something completely different than it was then - even slowed down.

Difficult. I am fond of his speaking voice as it was around 1973 or so. It was relatively high in pitch, boyish, quick. But then: was it cocaine that did it?

Lots of smokes, look at Lucille Ball!  It's a long way from Ricky!  to GARY!!! (or should I say "Mr Moooooney"!!)

I agree that it sounds a bit slowed down. A year or so later on the Fairy Tale Music tape, Brian's speaking voice sounds as high as it did in the '60s.  The Spring dialog is great to hear, though. It's much more casual than I'd imagined.

On the other hand, Sinatra smoked like a chimney, and his voice didn't seem to deteriorate that much, even till the end. Maybe due to age he lost a little bit, but the smokes didn't ravage his vocal chords like Brian's. Same with Davis, Martin, and Bennett. I always thought the cigarettes in combination with massive amounts of coke acting like little shards of shrapnel did Brian's vocal chords in.

Brian sounds like he's drunk (or stoned), and sure, flirting with Diane.
Crazy :P

Brian sounds like he hasn't slept in a week...

Sorry to dissent too far, but I made an interesting comparison on Sinatra's voice not too long ago, it's interesting to see how quickly it deteriorated, here's three versions of the same song: one from the 70s, one from 1991 and one from 1994:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVWJashcBKg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxAwagN_IkA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXXgrUhhVS8

And not to stray too far either, but not only cigs but I think age and causes the deterioration. And maybe non-use of the singing voice. I want to start a new thread on this soon (there have been many over the years on this subject) but my point is that Brian's changed so dramatically between late 1974 and early 1976 that obviously more than cigarettes caused the damage. Listen to the Jim Pewter interview with Brian in August, 1974, then listen to his voice on the 15 Big Ones album, only 1 1/2 years later.  I mean, just cigs couldn't have caused that severe of a deterioration of his vocal chords! Other male singers have gone on for years without that dramatic of a change in his voice. Maybe there's exceptions, but.........

It might possibly please me to hear this August 1974 interview.  :)

Please  make use of the proper order when asking for a desired item

D'oh!  ;D

Somebody called the :police:.  That's enough.

If someone couple possibly make my day, I'd appreciate it,

Shiiiiiit.  You never thanked me for the last one, Wirestone!

Between the Pete Fornatale interview in 1973 and the Jim Pewter interview in 1974, you can tell Brian's voice is just starting to get more raspy and begin to deteriorate.

Very interesting to listen to. I've been a fan of the Spring album for many years (and a Brian fan as well). So many portions of it sound as if they were recorded over other sections of "interview". Must HAVE been some cocaine going on. With the exception of Marilyn of course (who is asleep the entire time).

Aside from anything else, the tape - which was sent out as a promo, btw - was recorded at something like three in the morning.  ;D

anybody willing to put me in a position to be able to hear that 74 interview? Please?

Well, of course I'd like to here this too now. Please help Me out!

My guess is cocaine and some raunchy funny business. Very interesting definitly weird!

Since the whole "send me a PM" thing is so ridiculously obvious, I suggest a more subtle code system...

If you want someone to send you something like the "Brian Wilson Speaks With And About Spring" material, just say "My, isn't that a fine kettle of fish!" 

None will be the wiser...

Bootlegs!!  Young people these days, no discretion!  No decency!  No respect for copyrights!  Why, I ought to write the Prime Minister!!  I would certainly appreciate a message like that... 

Could it be that Marilyn KNEW about any possible shenanigans between Brian and Diane. Maybe she inherited her parents liberalism and was glad  Brain at least kept in in the family,

mmm, those Rovell sisters...they're something else....Marilyn to this day looks great...Diane, not so much.   :angel:

And all that liberalism allowed Brian to love all three Rovell sisters and even marry one when she was 16 years old!  ;D

The 1971 tape he sounds like the old Brian
The 1973 he is coughing a lot but his voice still is smooth
The 1974 his mannerisms sound more like the 1976 Brian but he still isn't all that raspy.
In 1976 there was such a rasp and lack of breath but yes you can hear him slowly changing from 1971-76.

Oh dear, hopefully Marilyn never heard that! Brian Wilson might be the worlds worst flirt, though.

Can someone Pleasantly Make sure I hear this?  ::)

I live about halfway between the International Date Line and the Prime Meridian.

That's nice.

It's ironic hearing Brian talking about Marilyn losing weight when Brian himself would bloat up pretty badly not too long after the interview.

Yeah that 74 interview is quite interesting. I mean, not the content so much. But the voice yeah, you really do hear parts of the early smooth Brian and the later raspy Brian. And really thinkin' about it. I have to admit that the '74 version of Ding Dang doesn't TOTALLY sound like the guy we'd gotten to hear in the 12 proceeding years. The falsetto was a little more "The Night Was So Young" and "She's Got Rhythm" then "Don't Worry Baby" or even "Awake". But yeah, all this, plus the fact that it just sounds awesome, is the reason I need to hear the '74 California Feelin, along with Lucy Jones.

By the way, I'm just gonna cut the sh*t, can anybody make the '73 interview available for me to hear it. Please? For Me?

I'd also definitely enjoy listening to "Brian Wilson Talks With and About Spring" in the AM or the PM!

me 3 please!!

I too am Pretty Much desperate to hear this.

If I don't get to hear this, I might have to smoke some Pall Mall cigarettes... with my friend Percy Matthews. People Make mistakes all the the time, so I'm allowed one! Pop Me in the mouth if you don't like it. After all, Plateaus Melt. Platypus Menagerie!

Would you guys like tissues for your issues?

New geezer here...been a longtime fan of the Beach Boys. So when I recently discovered American Spring..what a find!! I had no idea this would be so interesting and also really good stuff (though I knew Brian had recorded his wife and sister from BBoy bio's). So now- wonders of the web- I can listen to a long deleted album from them. Listening, Diane takes lead on only a couple of things- and I think this is consistent with whats said above. They actually seem to me to complement each other quite well vocally, Marilyns voice has been described as 'honky' by some but when she sings it has a good timbre..that cutting quality like Ronnie Spectors in some ways- maybe why Brian asserted she had a great voice, it is very good for singing. Her 'superstar' on that I prefer-with the tonal mid change- to karen carpenters-tho both are excellent. Dianes voice- perfect for what she sung- that 'Fallin In Love'- beautiiful...she could sing that in my ear anyday. Its kind of. a very sensual voice she sung with on that. Nice 'husky' quality to it.

OK...the Diane Brian 'sex/flirt tapes'...any chance of Perhaps Mending my lack of same? It would be interesting, very much so. Theres some smile session tapes already up on utube, intersting, and also the 37 dirty jokes with Carol Kaye and Diane and Brian available for download..but this Diane+Brian thing I have not come across before nor heard. So, Perhaps I Might be lucky enough if some kind sole reads this .

Brian clearly worked alot with Diane..she was quite prolific in writing, so its understandable, erm..if youre having to work with a sister in law who happens to look drop dead gorgeous...that...well, Im sure we've all done that at some time......ahem.

unfortunately, she doesn't look that gorgeous any more...Marilyn looks better than Diane does now.

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unfortunately, she doesn't look that gorgeous any more...Marilyn looks better than Diane does now.
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Well, maybe, but theres a video on the tube from 2008, The Honeys (including Ginger) singing 'I Can Hear Music', Diane is in the middle. Marilyn looks well I agree, but so very much does Dianne in that, though there are some photos (Dennis Wilson bash)  where her age is showing..but they were actually prior the video..(which was 2008 I think) . maybe the inevitable Bel Air facelift/cosmetic maintenance surgery has occured recently for her? 
[Thing is, women from California, esp' with connections to entertainment...when I was there I walked round Malibu, and above 35, say, they all look 'about 35', if they werent young teenagers or clearly young women in their twenties; & all whiteish blond hair, pony tails usually for some reason..I swear-this struck me- there appeared to be no 'old looking women' as they used to be known...(cardigans, wrinkles, bad hips, sagging bits etc etc). Oh to be a cosmetic surgeon in Malibu/LA...worth a bloody fortune !!]

You have to admit though (?), in the timespan involved at the time of the 'sex/flirt tape' (73?), Dianne was a bit of a cracker ! (and Marilyn was no bag of spanners either- always had sexy eyes I thought. Still has. Carnie inherited her moms gorgeous eyes though not the figure-she got Brians metabolism I think!).

So, anyone want to Pluck My partridge?....(errr ..is this acronym -PM- thing  too old now?...I'd really appreciate someone who could maybe point me to a download of the audio of the Brian/Dianne thing, if at all possible.)

Somebody around here is sure long-winded!

Diane appeared several times in Carnie's latest piece of shameless self-promotion/money grabbing slice of reality TV and it has to be said, a whole bunch of folk who post here went "oh my".

I watched that.  Yeah, I was very surprised too.

In a good way? or not so? 
I caught a couple episodes, but dont remember seeing Diane.

You noticed that!! All criticism accepted.

Just kidding. Welcome to the bored! Geez, even your username is long - doesn't even fit on the profile thngamabob!

Bgas, were you surprised after seeing Diane in the audience?

Well uh see I don't remember seeing her is the problem.

You must have caught the only two that didn't have "Aunt Deedee" in them, then.  ;D

Or....  I saw her and didn't remember...  When you put it like that, I do seem t have seen her, but I just can't say I remember her. Oh well, it was quite enough just watching Carnie and Rob, and her trainer; I do remember seeing Dan!  What a trip that was. funny.

No offence to Maza but I don't think she ever looked attractive. Too much nose and not enough chin. Diane looks great for someone in her 60's. I still probably would!! Has anyone noticed yet I have a major thing for the older women? Like Dennis Wilson in reverse.

Hey this is a family page! No talking about having a thing for Dennis in reverse...

I would anall. (We should inform Reuters or Entertainment Weekly now I suppose). Thing about 'having a thing for older women'-like I have always had too..is that you start to run out of them!)

Did you seriously just type you'd do anal?!

Nice one!!
No, in truth I wrote : anall'. Two L's there old bean. That's proper (Yorkshire) English, though you may know this by the combination 'as well'. (Though by this I dont mean 'at the same time' (as that other chap who 'would')). Now then, having said this..you've gone and put the image in my head now...Diane, me.....though to be frank I prefer 'parking at the front' though. ..& now Ive run out of double entendres.

Ahhh...okay.

Who's Frank?

I think Brian is a pretty cool guy. Eh sleeps with his wife's sister and doesn't afraid of anything.

surely, you can't be serious.  ;D

The name is spelt "Shirley".  Please don't call me "Surely".

 :lol

Wasn't Stephen Kalinch (spelling?) on an episode?  I think Brian was supposed to attend, but never showed.

Brian cops out of something? Well that must be a first.

But isn't that supposition? (someone correct me if Im wrong here- it may be something Im just ignorant of)I mean, it could well have occured, but no one but maybe Marilyn, Diane and Brian knows, maybe only Diane and Brian infact. I tend to think it was just 'sexual overtures'/flirting...but what the hell would I know.
But you're right..coolness..and not only Brian, if it did occur ('doing the naughty thing'* that is), Marilyn must be pretty cool as well if that did occur, it would have split some sisters up maybe.
You can't really blame Bri, Diane was a looker** back then at least, as I said earlier. My sympathy is totally with him here!!
[* = Shagging : some of you US BBoy fans need to start learning English I reckon
** 'Class Totty': likewise]

Supposition ? Don't think so - that question was settled back in the 80s.  ::)

This alone has made this a top thread.  I thank you.

To be clear, I'd only do that if Diane was keen on it.  ;D

Oh my! Ta very much for the correction.

Either way, it makes for a good meme joke.

I need a Private Moment.   ;D

Wishbone Ash was propelled by the dynamic rhythm section of Steve Upton and Martin Turner.

Okay, I laughed at that one...

Quite, I Pissed Myself laughing.

I would like to find a Present in my Mailbox.  :)

it's Phun to stay at the... y.. Yes yes yes, I don't know how to follow the rules!.. c...a...
please
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Psychological mnemonics.

I don't Pget Mit.

"I'm tired of this sh!t, and if it doesn't subside, I'm gonna call the cops."  Brian Wilson on Smog and Bootlegs

Pert Mounds?

Anyone that wants this and a bunch other interviews (about 30 hours in all) just PM me and for $5 plus a blank dvd I can make a dvd Rom for whoever wants to hear it.

I have heard all of these recordings! I am trying locate them on one of my past mobile phones.